8 6:30 I call this meeting of the Manchester by the sea. Select for to order. >> Jeff >> here. >> Brian >> here. >> Kathy >> here. >> Ann is here and >> here. >> John is here. >> Um
is there any public comment? This meeting is being recorded. Is there any public comment on non-aggenda items? >> I have something. >> Okay. Uh, I got a phone call and I know Tony Ken Real, did he reach out to you
yet? Ken Real, the former uh, president uh, CEO of the chamber and we'll remember is now with a group uh, the Cape Community Foundation and Elise in the Tide uh, Tidekeeper
for uh, helping fundraising. They don't want they they want to help her. Uh Ken did his homework and he wants to make sure uh he went through our meeting minutes back in May. We asked uh at least to speak to department heads
uh because we haven't really given it the official go for it, right? So he would he's asking how what our stance is now. So I would like to ask that we invite Elise back here >> uh to uh in the next month or so to
advise us as to how she made out with the uh uh her >> you know talking to the stakeholders and town uh and in order to allay any fears that the uh they don't want to do something that's going to be controversial. >> Yeah.
>> And so uh I like to bring that back guy. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, um I'd like if we could ask that agenda at all >> on the any actions and ask Debbie to reach out to Elise and >> find out what dates were for her.
>> Okay. Super. Anything else? Um there is uh no chairman's report and um is there anything else that we need to
put on the action items? Yes. Right. Uh or you may have actually already taken care of it. >> Oh, tree policy update was the one I was thinking about, Kathy. But we did uh Debbie did add it to the >> I did see. Okay. So, basically, it's
something that we can defer until after the first of the year. Um, do we want to we we discussed the short-term rentals last last at the last meeting and I know that was remanded too I think was at the planning board because they there was more more
involvement. >> Maybe we should put this on here as just kind of a tick for like three months out or something. They should be back >> in touch with us. The way we left it >> we said we form a committee or something like a task force or something. Oh, we just we just left it as maybe for this
town meeting we just um focus on changing the length of time. >> Yeah. >> And then you know we might you I don't we were going to talk more about like whether it's a a committee that helps advise us or if the planning board takes it on but we were kind of
>> well I just don't want to let this fall through. >> Yeah. So put the cracks three months out if it hasn't come up before then. So question the the the change that we deliberated on the last time change from six to 30 days that has to go before a town meeting.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Um the first item on our amended agenda is the confirmation of the appointment to the of the council and aging director Mary Miner.
>> So here >> Mary is here. Um it's uh my honor to uh bring forward to you an appointment um and seeking your support. Uh we posted
the uh Council on Aging director position some time ago and received a lot of interest of about 15 applications. Um our uh health and human services team leader and our
HR director took the first round to narrow those down uh to a top three uh Mary included. And after speaking with uh those three candidates and speaking with Mary about
her experience and um I'm here to recommend her uh appointment. Um I want to say thank you to all the others that also applied. Uh the top three candidates, all three were really really good. I wish we had the budget to
hire all three. Um, and they all bring kind of a different uh range of experience and motivation. Um, I will say that in all three of those discussions, each one of them spoke about how the town's commitment towards
a senior center was kind of a big element of um what drew them to the uh to the posting. Uh so full disclosure, Mary uh is uh coming to us from the town of Nihant. Um I hired Mary there. Um she saw the
posting and um wanted to throw her name in the hat. Uh she has a 30 something years experience uh at the state prior to that. um really knows uh really knows the
intricacy of the COA job from the personality and focus you have to have uh interacting with the seniors and making sure the day-to-day gets done but also um being part of a larger department head team and you know the
the uh kind of following the guidance of um the town administrator and the ultimate goals of town media. and the town and the select board. Um, I think she's going to fit in really well and I think she's going to um help
us help us really get from where we are today to uh hopefully a senior center up and running and really putting us in a in a big position of success. She has experience with uh in in the hunt they have daily uh senior center area there
in the town hall. So, it's she has brings that experience to us as well. And actually coincidentally uh we the two of us had gone through a exploratory or feasibility process of a new senior
center in the ha as well. Uh so she's um familiar with the process that we're actually in the middle of middle middle of going through right now. Uh so with that Mary would you like to introduce yourself at all?
As Tony said, my name is Mary Miner and um I I'm just coming up to four years at uh in NHA. It's a um as director of the Council on Aging there, we run a it's a part-time program at the moment. Um we
run Monday through Friday, 9 to 1. Uh but it's um a full schedule really. um I stay extra to make sure that folks get a well-rounded um program. Um so uh the
focus of our daily activity among other things is exercise in the morning and then um we have a gathering at lunch. Uh we serve lunch every day. I have volunteer cooks who come in and uh we
set a menu in advance and um so people come for lunch. It's $5 and they get a a soup or a salad and main entree and a dessert and coffee, tea or water and and they gather with friends
or make new friends and it's just it's a great program. Uh it is basically the hallmark of our program, but I've extended the time I've been there, I've extended it to include after lunch programs. I have a music program. Uh I
have a music teacher who comes in twice a month and we sing songs and people like that. You know, we have a little group 10 people and they're great and they show up religiously. Um we have an art program. and we have an
art teacher who comes once a month. I have a speaker series. I'm I've just started at this round. Um I've invited folks from the town hall with the idea that um you know they come and have lunch and then they mingle with everybody and then they get up and they
tell introduce themselves in a in a group setting and uh you know and they tell folks what they do you know so that if they have a question about uh somebody has a problem with their tax bill they'll have a a person instead of
just a name. So, um whether or not they remember, I don't know, but it we're always um what else? Oh, we I have a theater program once a month. Um I know Beverly's down the down the street here,
but um we have uh we have a great relationship with the Stone Theater and so we started that I don't know a couple years ago now. Um, when I first got there, they have a Sunday matinea and we go out for lunch
and then we go to the matinea and then we go back to the senior center and everybody gets in their cars and they have a great time. So I you know there's lots of stuff and I I don't know I you know Tony and I worked really well together and um don't
tell him that but so I um you know I I did throw my hat in the ring as he said I like the idea of the challenge of bringing um a senior center up from the ground. I I think it'll be
great. Um you know it's a beautiful community that you have up here. Um, I was, this is the first time I've been there at night. I I have to confess. I was pulling into the parking lot and I, God, it's beautiful. At night, even though it's freezing, I
know that, but um I'm sure you're all used to that and God knows we are in Naha. So, um, I live uh in Sus, you know, route one to 128. So, I can do this. I can really do this. But at any
rate, um I don't know if you have questions for me. I'm I my background Tony had alluded to that. I worked for um the Commonwealth of Mass for 34 years. I was a social worker and then I became a supervisor in the last 15
years. So, I know all kinds of programs and have worked with families and individuals and those that are disabled and certainly the elderly. And um and I retired.
Um and a friend of mine said, "Oh, I have a job for you in the kind of how I got into this industry, this side of things." Um and it's been one of the best decisions I ever made. So
that's me and uh it's nice to see all of you. >> Any questions? Questions going, going, gone. >> I got a question. >> Okay, good. Uh great to great to meet you, Mary, and to hear a lot about your your background there. In particular,
I'm interested in Oh, your relationship with the friends. >> Oh, yeah. >> And specifically, I think dealing with that. You said you were starting to explore maybe a standalone senior center. Right now you're >> Yeah. >> I mean in Aan it's it's part of the >> a plan was uh
short changed you know very short long story short. I mean it plans got changed and and so we're back to square one. >> Okay. Well I mean the crux of this and then certainly Tony has clued you in on where we're at with this. We
>> almost have a senior center very very close and there will be a money raising initiative that will interact with the COA with the friends. >> Sure. >> And donors etc. And your your role will be important at that. I don't think it's
fully defined yet but it's it's going to be important. Have you dealt with any of that with friends initiatives? Because I I know friends is a vehicle through money raising and that sort of thing. To answer your question, I have a great uh group of friends of the council on
Nazing and have been well established long before I got there. Um and they have been a great supporters to me and to the senior center. Um, and their fundraising uh
program that we have is kind of limited right now to we have a a local restaurant that gives us a um portion of the proceeds on the night that we have the fundraiser and uh as well as raffles
and that sort of thing. So um you know that that's been our experience. You know, I we did have a a we had a black tie affair in um two summers ago uh on the beach. It was quite lovely um where some money was
raised um a lot of money actually uh not you know hundreds of thousands but you know a nice start and that's you know that was put aside. So um and I we have a a COA board that we work
with and are very active as well. So um so I have experience in working with both. >> All of that experience will be called upon. >> I am at your service. >> But and good to know.
Well, thank you, Tony, for inviting Mary to join us. >> And thank you for coming. >> Thank you. Thank you for having me. >> Look forward to >> I I I do look forward to it. Yeah, that'll be great. I I'm planning on starting right after the new year, so
you know, then I'll be here. Anyway, I'm gonna I'm gonna head out because it's been a long day. >> Seeking a motion. >> Thank you for coming. Thank you very much for having me and we'll see you soon. >> Not yet. >> Okay. >> Seeking a motion here. >> Yes. Okay. Oh, sorry. I can go. >> I move that the select board confirm the
appointment of Mary Miner as the Council on Aging Director effective January 5th, 2026. >> Any discussion? >> John, >> yes. >> Ann says yes. Kathy, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Brian, >> yes. >> And Jack, >> great.
>> Congratulations. >> I regret it. >> Okay. Um the the >> I had to I I said you if you want the job you have to show up tonight is the time of the hunt going to be coming after you for >> probably.
Yeah. Anyone else we want over there? >> You know I I fear that she she hasn't experienced 128 South. >> She'll be fine. Lynn the Lynway and the Hunt is no >> picnic. Donald she can deal with it.
>> Okay, >> thank you for the support on that. >> Um the next item on our agenda is National Grid. Um and we need to open a hearing for the National Grid three locations. I
move that the select board open a public hearing on the petitions of National Grid to install underground PVC conduit to 35 Central Street for Highland Avenue and 35 School Street. >> Second. >> Jeff, >> yes.
>> Brian, >> yes. >> Kathy, >> yes. And says yes and >> yes. Okay, at this point like to hear from National Brits >> Michael on on Zoom. >> Yes. Yep. Hey, good evening everyone. My
name is Michael Kazad. >> Hold on, Michael. >> I'm sorry. I just um I read the the motion and I just am not sure it was correct because I'm looking at the agenda and it did not match. So, I just want to make sure Tony I want to make
sure we open the public hearing with the correct addresses. That could have been my mistake. Or >> yeah, Central got Morris Highland. >> The opening's on street, but it's 435 schools. >> So, Morris Cor.
>> So, these are the So, these are the addresses of the uh properties that are receiving. >> Okay. Um, but the the >> actual conduits will go to the addresses I read. >> Right. >> Okay. I just want to double check. Great. Thank you.
>> Okay. >> All right. Michael. >> Yep. Okay. Yeah. So, my name is Michael Kazati and I'm representing National Grid at 44 River Street in Beverly. And yes, so for the first one um for 35 Central Street, we are petitioning to
install 2 3 inch conduits about five uh 25 ft from an existing manhole to the property of 35 Central Street. Um so we're we're doing this work because the customer is um upgrading their electrical service. >> Okay. Keep going go through each one of
them if you don't mind, Michael. >> Okay. Yep. Um second one um island nav we are petitioning to install about 30 ft of two 4-in conduits from an existing manhole um existing manhole 174 across
the street to um the property of for a and we're doing this job because there is a submersible transformer in that manhole currently that and it's not safe for our guys to work in there so we're planning on removing that transformer and installing a pad transformer on the property of for
And for the last one, um, we are on Brook Street, we are petitioned to install about 40 ft of, um, one 3-inch conduit to the property of 35 Central Street. And we're doing
this work because they're building a new house and they need the power. >> Be 35 School Street. That's >> 35 School Street. Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. That's what it has on that's what it has on the permit request. That's
what we had in the motion. >> Okay. Are there any questions? >> Motion. >> Is is Chuck has gone over all of these and they understand that they're required to bring this roads back to
>> Yeah. our standard our our standard uh requirements and then go because we're going into the winter season depending on the schedule on their schedule if we are dealing with weather they're going to have to >> uh coordinate with DPW on you know we don't want to have open construction
while we're going through >> while we're going to be my question is this before or after the winter >> I don't know during >> Michael I don't I didn't get the sense that you guys had a that schedule on these uh from the application that I
read. Do do you know? >> No, we don't have a set schedule. It's usually so we try to coordinate with the customer. So whenever um National Greater and the customer are ready to do the work, that's when we get the our guys out there to do the work. >> All right. So they'll So they'll coordinate once they have a schedule,
they'll coordinate with DPW and uh make sure that's factored in. >> Yep. >> So DPW is good. I don't know if there's anyone here in favor or opposed to the permits. >> Um, we need to close the here before we
get to that. >> Of course, I have to say this. You could have picked a move to select close the evidentiary uh portion of the public hearing. Second, I practice that. >> John, yes. Sam says yes. Kathy. Yes.
Brian. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. Um, is there any further discussion? >> Motion. >> Ready for a motion. >> I move the select board approve the national grid petitions to install underground PVC conduit to 35 Central
Street, 4 Highland Avenue, and 35 School Street. >> Second discussion. John. Yes. >> Ann says yes. Kathy. >> Yes. >> Brian and Jeff. >> Yes. >> Okay. I move that the board close the
public hearing. >> Jeff. >> Yes. >> Ryan. Kathy. >> Yes. The answer is yes. Jo. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much, Michael. Um, >> all worked out ahead of time. It's makes it much easier for us.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. The next item on our agenda are some discussion items of which the first is the affordable housing trust update.
See where's the affordable housing trust here? And one of them is smiling with your mouth open. Hi Sarah. Would you like >> Yeah. I'm Sarah Melish. I'm chair of the affordable housing trust and I was asked to give an update with me. I have Chris Homie and I have Joe McDonald and Gretch
Wood. Um I'm going to touch on three different areas. Um the first is Crowder House Lane and I want I know it's been controversial. It's been long. Um and I just wanted to say that it's not a
standard project. Normally when units are going to be um put onto the SHI the marketing plan everything is part of the initial application with the state to get
approval for 40B. In this case there was no state money. Um so things didn't go as expected. um the in order to get units on the state housing inventory or the SHI um
it's the responsibility of the town not the owner um so the bad is on us um that we didn't have the expertise or the knowledge in the town itself to understand really what needed to be done
um so it's dragged and dragged and dragged um there's also require requirement to have a marketing agreement and lottery approved by the state has lane that did not occur. Um and in
order for units to be on the SHI if if they're rentals if 25% are um sold sold as are rented as affordable then 100% of the units count. if they're um home ownership, then each
individual home is separate. You can't have a development of 15 and have one affordable and say we're going to count the whole development. Um current status uh >> and s sorry to interrupt just to clarify
this is a conversion of an existing property, correct? So that's why >> lottery didn't occur cuz existing >> well this was an existing 29 apartment units which historically
have had a rent well below the market rate >> but not derest restricted as order. Um, so when Northshore CDC took over this property,
um, they advertised it, um, and they turned over more than 25% of the units to people who met the eligibility requirements for the affordable units.
Unfortunately, because the marketing plan had not been approved by the state and a formal lottery was not held, those units do not count today. Um, good news is is the state has approved the
marketing plan. Um the affordable housing trust is going to meet tomorrow night and be voting on it and then we'll be able to notify the state that we support it and that should get us on the
way of having the plan in place and now they have to turn over at least 25% of the apartments in order to get them all onto the SHI. So until that happens
now there's what shouldn't have been like my understanding was there should have been a mass eviction process okay as it were and then start from scratch with with the 29 empty units is that >> that's at least at least
>> overating it I think that the challenge you have whenever you have a property that's rented to people of low income and This was this was primarily low income. This wasn't middle income. >> Absolutely. >> Um that you don't want to throw the existing people out.
>> Exactly. >> But >> that what the that's the double-edged sword there. >> And so what they were doing was turning over the apartments as they became available. They would have counted if the marketing plan had been approved by the state
before they did that and if a lottery had been held. And those were the two things missing. um people from the affordable housing trust and Bruce Tar and a representative Fronti met with the person in charge of EOHLC, Mr. Augustus,
and they refused to back down on that lottery requirement, >> but yet they required us to have housing. >> Right. >> Right. >> Exactly. But that's but I, you know, the good news is >> we're on the way. >> We're on the road. um they should be
able to start as as it's my understanding their wish is as units become available that's when they will turn them over and do the they'll have a list and do the lottery if they need it. >> So it'll just be like one by one as it down the road. >> That's my understanding of what they
want to do. Um the other interesting thing is they have expressed some interest and I don't know the time frame of perhaps expanding um >> that um area. I don't know about another building or I don't know exactly what
they're planning but um I think the affordable housing trust is is going to attempt to set up a line of communication with them to kind of figure out what that timeline is and see if we can help as long >> but you know that's not going to be today. It won't be tomorrow. It will be
sometime down. >> Any questions on Powder House Lane? >> Yeah. So, if I understand it, then I don't know. These people have lease. I don't know if they're one-year leases or whatever, but as long as they want to stay there, they stay there. So, when they come up to be empty, I mean, this
could take 20 years. >> Well, except >> it could take many years, right? Or >> Well, except the it was acquired by Northshore CDC, I believe, in 2021. It's already been 5 years just about >> and they've already turned over way more than 25%.
>> Okay. All right. So, the running rates >> Yeah. >> better than that. >> Yeah. >> I'll have to just uh piggy back on that, but anyone has to come off the lottery list. There's a a list >> for uh Okay. >> They they they
list. Yeah. And then >> and then whoever then >> on the top of the list >> then when the person's name is added to the list is my understanding they get a number and when their name comes up then they're offered the apartment. >> Okay. So they don't have to advertise
each time >> that apartment becomes available or do they? >> I don't believe they have to advertise. >> They've already got a list. >> They have to they probably have to do it like once a year. They have to um
certify the el the income eligibility of the people in the affordable units once a year. >> So, so where are we with this now? How many how many apartments are now? >> Well, zero. They have to start from >> Yeah, I know. In other words, starting
like now or next month. In other words, we haven't done anything yet. >> As soon as as we sign off tomorrow night on the marketing plan, we tell the state >> go it's okay. and the state says you're good to go to any properties. >> So, this is this didn't happen last week or last month or two months ago. It
hasn't happened, but it will happen. >> It doesn't happen this week, >> I guess. So, >> happen tomorrow. >> All right. So, >> I know where we're at. >> So, just to be clear, >> so you could have if we have 20% of those turned over, 18% of them turned
into >> You count those 18 or 12, >> but they're not counted until we get the whole >> No, no. The first one that goes online. Yes, >> counts. >> Okay. >> It's just that you don't count the entire >> until >> complex until you have the 25%
>> and then we get the So, if you get So, once we have what, six units or something like that? Probably. >> No, it's eight. >> Okay. I was a history major. >> Yeah. >> Wasn't my strong suit. >> I mean, you could have a millionaire. >> 29. When we hit eight, then 29 count,
>> right? And you could have a millionaire in one of them. >> Okay. >> But it wouldn't matter, right? You just need the the the nine. Sorry. >> Okay. The millionaire could stay, >> but if the millionaire left, it would
have to go to somebody who is an income eligible. >> Yes. Okay. Yes. >> So, as as the other units turn over, they go to income eligible >> grants. Yes. Okay. >> Okay. >> And it's up to 80% of AMI.
>> Mhm. And the reason they use the 80% of AMI is because their intention is to add on. >> And in order to do that, they need tax credits. In order to get tax credits, you need to use the 80% of AMI
>> as the max rather than 100% as a max. But you don't have to rent them all at 80%. >> Just being paid. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think their intention was four at 80% and then the rest at 60. >> Four years to figure it out, I guess.
>> Thank you. >> Too bad it out. >> Regulations. It's just I'm I'm sure there are littleations don't really >> that tell you they don't tell you exactly what >> provide for a smooth or even a
legitimate way to uh I would say protect submarket rate properties, >> right? >> Um which is unfortunate. >> Yeah. >> You know, I think the concern is that they the state really wants to see
housing be developed. Uh, and there's a concern, I think there's a concern that, you know, it would just be your SHI would just be met by all conversion projects >> instead of actually building new housing. >> Um, so there's that's what makes it difficult.
>> And and I think to be fair to the affordable housing trust, >> we were not involved at the beginning. No, >> there was a group of people involved at the beginning that raised the money >> and there was a town planner involved
and way too many people involved. Nobody knew what to do and nothing happened. >> And then I went to Northshore and this was just a very different type of situation. >> I think the affordable housing trust really got involved in the last year.
>> No. >> That we started pressing it and you know called in. Wasn't it the last year? Young called in Senator Tar and said, "This isn't working." Yeah. >> What are we supposed to be doing? Because a town our size doesn't know. >> Um, and that's one of the arguments made
to EOHLC. You need some type of a program for the little towns to help them understand what all your rules are. >> They're going to work on it. For people who may look at this afterward, when you
say the area median wage, >> average med Yeah. Yeah. Average >> average medium income. >> All right. What's the area? >> Greater Boston. >> It's It's big. >> It's It's not Manchester specific.
>> It's Greater Boston. So, and the the 80% I don't have I didn't bring the marketing agreement. >> The 80% for one person is 97. >> 132 for a fourperson household. >> Right. >> The uh the issue here, it's not an issue.
Essex County is probably one of the most wealthy counties. So that drives that that >> this includes >> it's not county. >> No, but it's but there's a lot of that that >> includes Boston. >> It's one of the higher of the of the
area. >> That's okay. >> Next item is Manchester Housing Authority sites. >> We've been working on this for years. years. >> Five years.
Um we're at the same point today as we were five years ago, except we have more information. Um the challenge with these sites is there's lots of wetlands and there's a lack of buildable space.
Um, in order to subsidize the rehab of the state units, there needs to be a sizable component of market rate units >> to give the cash flow to cover the subsidized rent because some of those
tenants are well below their income is well below 30% of the area medium income. they were they were, you know, and you just pay 30% of whatever your income is, no matter how low it is. Um, and
there's lots of complexities dealing with state. Nobody really knows what to do with these properties. It's a state obligation. Um, and so there's been a real lack of developer >> interest. Um, so my sense is we'll we'll
discuss it tomorrow night, but we may very well say, "Okay, let's not put all of our efforts anymore into those sites until the landscape changes and there's more developers who might be interested and hopefully the state passed some type of law that hopefully will invest more
money into those properties." >> You're talking about Newport Park >> planes and loading and loading. >> Yes. Yes. Any questions on that? >> There's really no room at loading place, right? I mean that hill back there.
>> No, they actually we we we spend 50,000 to have a consultant come in and give us designs and Yeah, you could knock down what's there at loading place and you could add four more units. Um,
you could add some units at Newport Park and at the Plains, but the problem was is you couldn't add enough units unless, for instance, we had the Pine Street DPW site
>> and or some other town site that the developer could use to do market rate housing to subsidize the state housing and Um, so we feel like we're spinning our wheels >> and we're in a deep rut.
>> Sarah, when we last heard from um the trust, uh, I believe what we heard was that we need like two acres of land. Um, the town would have to find two acres of land to make it
attractive enough to a developer to add enough units, blah blah blah. Yeah, they need to have have they what isn't it twice as many units as they have today. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You have to double the number of units to make >> right. We asked the last time like you know what do you need? Yeah. >> Two acres was to go get the two acres
and we haven't found that yet. Okay. >> So therefore we're kind of pivoting >> and kind of thinking of looking at smaller projects which have their challenges.
Um, we feel that smaller projects will have increased town buyin. Um, because there won't be these great big apartment complexes. Um, but in order to have a small project,
either the trust needs to find fund the full acquisition cost um, or you need free town land. Um, and generally it would be home ownership rather than rentals because you don't
have the volume to have the cash flow to be able to subsidize the rentals. Um, so we've been working on a project for close to three months.
Um, we found a property. We found a developer to work with. Um, it was going to be maybe 10 or 12 town houses. That that size of a project. Um,
in September, no, October, we were led to believe that, and this is taking almost all of the trust funds. just to put it in perspective for 10 or 12 um units.
Um in October we were verbally told that the offer had been accepted. In November we were told no that somebody else had
come forward and there were like five offers and we don't know why ours was an issue because at at one point it was the highest offer. Um then we've heard rumors this week that perhaps
the person who made the offer that was accepted might not be able to execute the agreement. So it's still a possible project. um we don't know but certainly
this experience has told us that we don't have enough money in our trust to do that >> right >> because because property in Manchester and and the property we were looking at was um it was under two acres
okay it's under it's around an acre and a half close to eight so so it wasn't a large property but there's lots of properties in Manchester that are that size >> and so if the trust can fund the cost of
the acquisition or if the town has land that they can bring forward so we wouldn't need an acquisition cost um then there is the possibility of doing these smaller projects of 10 to 12 and they would be home ownership not rentals
>> these projects tied to prevailing wage as far as construction >> no >> they're not speaking The way it's arranged is is that the affordable housing trust would not be doing the development.
The affordable housing trust would be making a grant. So you subsided >> to in effect a nonprofit to do the actual build out and construction because you know we don't have any developers on our for
one of the an example be like Habitat you know for humanity have have you partnered with them at Harbor Lake Northshore but habitat Habitat does more single family homes. >> Yeah, they do smaller stuff. >> Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, I mean
>> in Lawrence that >> Well, it depends on the but a lot of the local ones because I know we've worked with them at Essex Tech and they've been a lot of smaller. They did a bunch over in Hamilton, but they're smaller little >> Okay. >> Yes. >> But, you know, they need a certain
number of units, >> right, to make the money. And by us funding an acquisition cost, then that helps the delta. the land acquisition costs about 20 30% of the actual sale of the uh that's how they they factor these things in is how many units they have to
build for based on land acquisition costs to immatize the cost of construction. >> Well, it was a certain dollar amount per unit that they needed, >> right? And it's it's >> which what was another >> 30 to 30,000? >> No, it was when not 30.
>> It used to be this is a long long time ago. used to be in an affluent community about $45 to $50,000 per unit. >> Yeah. The that that may have been true a few years ago, but one of the challenges
today is the construction costs have absolutely skyrocketed. >> So, it's it's it's definitely >> tough. It's a challenge for us and it's very frustrating because we've been in effect
for almost 10 years. Is it >> nine years? >> 2016 I believe. Um, and so it's painful and we're finally accumulated some money and then you look at the cost to acquire
something and you it doesn't go very far in Manchester >> and you need a certain amount of land, >> you know. So that's kind of where we stand. So if you can come up with free town land, we're >> we're on board.
Thank you. Does it have to be about war? >> That's useful >> and low tie. >> Any of you have anything to contribute? >> Okay, any more questions? >> Nice update. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate the description of the
challenges and a >> clear description of what's going on at Okay. We're good. Thank you very much. >> For the people that have part landing there would be nice. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. I think that's I think that's um something we have to we we need to talk to them and find out what their timeline is >> and then just kind of keep >> whether you a little bit more money might help.
>> Exactly. Right. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. You saw something. It's so warm out. >> Oh, gorgeous, aren't it? >> Yeah. The the next item for discussion
is the naming of the Pine Street Field. Um, >> this is kind of my fault. it to my attention and I assumed that it came to my attention because people wanted suggestions. No, people had already had an idea and
looking for suggestions was just going to make it worse. >> But here we are. I I think it also layers on top of a discussion in the past about, you know, naming >> properties
and coming up with a policy and a process to do that so they're not just um, >> you know, done randomly or >> committee by committee. >> Yeah. This the Pine Street Field is kind of a different
situation because it's a newly somewhat newly created >> uh public space. Um the recreation department wants to purchase a sign to install there and would like to have a name to put on that sign.
um they've come up with three three options but wanted to forward those on to the select board and um for approval or you know feedback and um
what we're doing tonight I think is just kind of uh publicly announcing that we're open to additional >> input. Uh I I had recommended that you you know give people two or three weeks
to submit any types of uh ideas and then we could revisit or vote on something at the next meeting. >> Is uh Cheryl have anything to offer? >> Well, hello. Yes, I do. >> Yes. Okay. I appreciate it.
>> You're welcome. >> Thanks, Brian. Love to be on camera, but for some reason it's just not working. >> It's our pleasure. >> Um, so per uh the policy that was approved by the select board a couple of
years ago, um, this is the process that the committee would forward on any applications that, um, we looked at and deemed suitable. Um, as you've mentioned, you can also accept
still be open to accepting other um, applications that people may want to put in. Um just remembering that the philosophy of the process is you know naming opportunities should be reserved for extraordinary circumstances including but not limited to lifelong
service to the town or a unique and substantial contribution to the development of the area such as the donation of the land or a significant contribution towards the cost of the development. So money was not a piece of this since it was already land that the
town owned. Um but that that part was kind of put in there just because it is difficult. We have a lot of wonderful volunteers in town and it is difficult if we get you know four or five applications for different
volunteers. Um it will go through the park and recck committee first prior to going to the select board. Um but then ultimately it is your decision of what that name will be. So Tony, you weren't here the last time
we talked about this. I'm just going to state what I stated the last time. I remember having kids your age, you know, the kids that you have their age. When I was looking for fields, you know, in another town and it didn't have a geographic reference, it was a real pain
in the neck to try and find the darn field. I love that we call it the Pine Street Field and I'll just leave it at that. >> That's one of the >> I saw recommended uh names I believe. >> I like to keep it simple and it's helpful to people who might not live in
town if that field is eventually used for things other than it is right now. >> The U Coachfield Field was always Brook Street Field. >> Okay. I don't think since that time it's probably referred to both as as both at
this point, but I don't think anyone's ever had any real problems finding it. I don't know. I haven't been an adult soccer player looking for that place here. Uh, no. So I like the uh it was the other one was volunteer field that we at Pine Street which I think crosses all
the tees dots all the eyes and uh we've been kicking around with the parks and wreck as to maybe uh at some point expanding on the volunteer field and maybe having
uh uh every year putting a couple names on the wall there. Okay. So we sort of like a a wall of fame or something like that. So and uh we're not limiting it to one volunteer, but we every year someone can nominate someone's name or a couple of
names and that would be a process that we'll throw in Cheryl's lap uh if she doesn't have enough to do. But any that's the concept was to meet your uh your your discussion your needs which I totally understand. I was looking for
something. I was intently looking for Cross Street Field >> and I was up and down cross street. >> Okay. >> Uh so here field at 125 street go street isn't as long as cross street.
>> You're not going across on the street too. So that was the whole the process there. >> Interesting concept. >> Well yeah you kind of honor the volunteers >> every year. Yeah I like that idea. you know, every year, okay, you nominate someone and maybe have a little ceremony, opening day of soccer or
something like that. >> Um, I think we being asked to >> open public to weigh in on >> for three weeks and then >> they would go through parks and wreck. They would go through parks and rack and
back send the appropriate suggestions to us >> and the chance of them those suggestions being generic as opposed to individuals is you ask me it's probably just as possible. >> Cheryl is the uh request for naming
opportunity is that on the website somewhere easy to be found? >> Um it is. It's on the park and wreck page of the website. It's pretty. Yeah, it's easy to f find. >> All right. >> So, would that be announced in the tide or something?
>> Yeah, we can announce it on social media and then I think I had suggested letting it be open until December 5th. Um, and then we could bring it up on December 15th. Uh, that's three weeks
and then, you know, we post the agenda the week before. So, there was any need to have a discussion on it prior. I want to just give us a little bit of time in between uh so we could post um a link to the page. They can be dropped off to the
recreation department or the select board office and uh ask that they be submitted by the fourth or fifth or emailed by the 5th. >> I don't um just in the uh policy we do say that you know it could be up to six
months because remember it does go to the park and recck committee first. um it then before it goes to the select board and we also have to do a little bit of homework on um on the names potentially. So I don't think it's
something that will be completed by the December 15th meeting if that's what you're saying. >> Darl, how when do you want to order your sign? >> Um well actually we'll be applying for CPC grant um for December 1st, but we we
don't need to order it till the spring. we, you know, it is something that we do want to get finished, but I don't want to all of a sudden now be like, you know, get them in by the 5th. We'll have it finished by the 15th. I mean, on our policy, we say, you know, give us six
months. So, um, I I just don't know. We don't have our December meetings scheduled yet, and we do want to make sure it goes to the park and recck committee first. >> So, we have a cut off date of December 5th. Then all of the applications go to
parks and recck and you tell us when you want us to decide. >> Perfect. I guess somehow that does come back on us, but okay. That's the policy. >> Okay. Does that meet everybody's >> Okay.
>> Oh, wait. One more thing. Hold on. Sorry. Um John, I did do my homework. John Ron update you. Just run it down. Yes. And then seconds. >> Uh, Coach Field Playground was named for Coach Ed Field, beloved teacher, coach,
and summer playground director. Sweeney Park was named for P. Edward Sweeney, who I believe was the former head of Manchester Highway Department. Tuck Point is named after a Beverly boy, William Tuck. He was he married into the Lee family and went to work as captain
for one of the many ships. His historical house was at 44 Harbor Street or still is at 44 Harbor Street in Manchester. And of course, Masanomo Park was named after Chief Sagamore Masanomo, chief of the tribe that originally lived
on the land that is now Manchester by the Sea. He's blah blah blah. Um, that's all that's it. That's >> one follow-up question. Were all those individuals alive or any of them alive
at the time? No. At the time those nings >> That's a good question. >> Well, we know that. I would agree with that. >> I think I think Sweeney Park one, right? Maybe. >> Pardon me. >> I think Sweeney Park may have been, but
I'm not sure. >> Just curious. >> I'm pretty sure Edfield had died before we named the field after him. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> All right. Was thinking >> actually one other little piece on Tux
Point which maybe Ann maybe you know this but the area became a public park in 1878 when the Manchester Elder Brethren the local fraternal organization created it for the benefit of the town residents. I did not know that. >> Did not know that either.
>> Okay. >> Good. >> Okay. Anything else, Cheryl? Um, no, I think we're good on that. >> Okay, great. >> Thank you.
>> Was my liaison update? >> Thank you, Cheryl. >> Thank you, Brian. >> Moving on. >> So, I think we know what we're doing. We've had the affordable housing trust update and there's nothing to be done with that. we know what we're doing on
the um Park Street Field naming. So, I guess we're on to the action items. The first of which is to change the July 4th committee to an advisory committee to parks and recck the parks and rec director. And the the goal there is
um to make it not an official appointed committee so that it doesn't have to have minutes and open meeting regulations. They are just an advisory group to a particular person. >> Makes sense. >> Oh, that's me. Motion.
>> Uh, I move that the board change the July 4th committee from a subcommittee to an advisory board to the parks and recreation director. >> Second. >> Further to discussion. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Brian, >> yes. >> Kathy,
>> yes. Answer's yes and yes. Okay, >> just a logistical question on that. So for Tony, who now is keeping the keeper of the list of which committees are advisory adjudicator, who's keeping that list? >> I think Debbie
>> Debbie is okay. >> Yeah. >> And >> for at least for committees that the select board appoints to. >> Okay. All right. So >> anything else I think would be uh Christine. >> So Debbie kept the whole list. Um I understand Christine manages you know
the ones for the elected officials but Debbie had in fact she did have the list. I just want to make sure if you had change I didn't know if you had changed anything. Okay. And then so will she coordinate with whomever to get the website updated and all that so we don't have different information.
>> Yeah. Yep. >> Thank you. Okay. Um there's um the next item on in the actions is a
one-day alcohol license for Olsson Lewis Architects for December 5th. >> I'm sorry. >> Okay. Um >> yes, please. So last year we the um greater chamber of commer kan had a
whole weekend celebration. I know they did a holiday stroll in Manchester on the Friday and then we're participating again this year where we have like vendors come into the office. Um we have a truck and then this year we wanted to get the
true north um they sell beer and wine. Um, they are licensed. Um, but I know we have to get a day license. So, I have like where the truck would sit around street in the parking lot.
>> Actually, could you just give us your first and last name? >> Oh, sure. Sorry. I thought it's Sher. >> Okay. >> Any question? Any questions? I think it's I think it's admirable, but I don't think any other penny does it on
Friday. >> Good for a turnout last year. >> No, no, but I know that like every most every other store. >> Oh, okay. >> Is serving, you know, wine or something like that. And I don't recall >> this is out outdoors, I guess. >> Maybe outside. >> The truck would be outside. Yes. Yeah,
that's what I >> And then we would have like tables set up. Um, and I think there's a food truck that would be there on this side of the street. >> Okay. There's food a food truck. You probably need to go to the port. >> I think they did go.
>> They were They've already >> applications. They have done that. We had one last year, too. >> Okay. So, you you know what the date is? >> Yeah, it works. Yeah. So, that I know that um somebody else was making sure they sent the application. I can make sure I can double check that, too.
All right. I move that the select board approve the one-day alcohol license for Sher Glenn Olsen Lewis and Architects at 17 Elm Street for December 5th, 2025 from 2 to 900 p.m. >> Second.
>> Yes. >> John says yes. Answers yes. Kathy and Brian and yes. >> Okay. All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very I know Gary might show he's from North. >> No, it's all done. You took care of it.
Well, thank you so much. >> Bye. >> Yay. The next is a committee appointment of John Crop to the finance committee. >> Yes. So, we uh had this on our agenda a couple not last meeting
but two select board meetings ago and um we had not publicly advertised the vacancy at that time. So, we had uh I had interviewed John Cropp uh prior to that night and then we determined that
we wanted to um hold on the appointment post the vacancy for two weeks um and then interview anyone which I we did have another applicant that came in and Ann and I interviewed um and then move forward with the
appointment tonight. Uh so, we did do that. We had one more. Um, both candidates, uh, you know, I think would bring a a nice, uh, uh, attitude and experience or or or,
uh, motivation to the committee. Um, however, John um has prior experience on the finance committee where the other applicant had no experience. Um actually it would be their first time serving on any
municipal board. Um so uh but we are really thankful to him for putting his name in and uh got to learn a lot about his background and I wish we still had an open seat on the facilities committee because he would have I think he would
really uh >> shine there to attend the public meetings. >> Yeah. So, we have we're going to keep his name uh on the list and um he's he's really interested in uh getting involved locally. He works for the MBTA
um as an engineer or project manager. >> Project manager I think more an acquisition. >> Uh so, um we thank him. Uh but we are recommending uh the appointment of John Croft. So, John uh
served on um three terms on the finance committee in the past. Uh he's extremely familiar with the responsibility. Uh ready to get jump right in. Uh this term goes until June of 2026.
Um at that point, he said, you know, I'm happy to uh stick around or we can put a pin in it and come back to that later. but use understanding of uh the need, you know, to fill the seat immediately and get to work right away uh because we're
entering the budget season. >> Mhm. >> Uh >> I I spoke to Sarah Melish and she said she would much rather have some since their >> budget season has started and trying to bring a new person up to speed
>> at this point would would slow down the prog. Now, has Darl worked with John? Has I know John I don't know the finance committee, but has John served with any of the current members of the on which would make it even better.
>> I don't know. >> But anyway, that's that's neither here or there. >> John's on the John's on the Zoom. >> I am. Yeah. I I've worked with Sarah and uh I think a couple of the other ones as well.
>> Mory and Andy. >> Yeah, right. That's right. >> They've been there a long time. >> Right. >> Something. >> Yes, I am. >> Yeah. >> Find it. I move that the board appoint
John Croft to the finance committee to fill a vacancy created by resignation for a term to expire on June 30th, 2026. Second, >> I did that with >> John. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Brian, >> yes. >> And Jeff,
>> thank you, John. >> John, thank you. See you guys. >> Y >> Okay. The next item, yeah, the next item is parking policies with a
continuation of the White Beach parking discussion. >> So, I um sent out an amended recommendation before the meeting. Uh we had so when we left this conversation at our last meeting, we said let's let's
mirror the overnight parking restriction that we have at uh singing beach at White Beach. So I struggled actually at first but eventually found, you know, a policy
that we could amend. Um and those are in your backup packet. Uh, but in the parking policies, they do speak to resident stickers and how that works at Singing Beach, but on the second or third page of the policy where it
actually lists out the lots, singing beach is not listed on there. Neither is White Beach. Um, and the only uh property of the properties listed there that speak to an overnight restriction is
Mascanomao, which is 2:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. Uh, at Singing Beach, the signage does say that the lock closes at 1000 p.m. Um, so I took basically the recommendation is
to, you know, mirror Singi Beach in the 1000 p.m. uh start time for an overnight restriction. Um and then went to 5:00 a.m. on the opening time in the morning because we do have people I think who may want to get there early for, you
know, enjoy the sunrise or go for an early walk or things like that. >> Uh so the recommendation is that we would actually add White Beach as a property listed in the parking policies. Um, >> and Singing Beach. >> Singing Beach we are going to add. But
there are some other >> Oh, okay. Right. >> I I'll I'll come back to that. But for White Beach, you know, add White Beach on there. Add the overnight restriction 10 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. and add the uh residentonly
restriction that is posted currently of May 1st, October 1st. We should include that. At first I we had talked about potentially adding boater placard uh parking there too. Um it there was the you thought that uh moing holders at
Black Beach uh may park overnight at White Beach, but then in speaking with the harbor master, those moorings are really held only by people who live in that vicinity. So they're not parking overnight at White Beach for that purpose. So I don't think
we need that. Um, for singing beach, there's I want to work a little bit closer with Cheryl, um, with Todd and even Christine to kind of understand some of the appeals that we've received for over
there. Uh, is because of the the signage there talks about non-resident parking when it's allowed. um from October 15th to April 15th, uh
it kind of mirrors the dogs on the beach policy. >> Um and then so from April 15th until it's staffed, uh it's really resident only. And then once it's staffed in May
sometime or or early June, it does open back up to non-resident subject to, you know, availability. So, there's a little bit of a confusion there for non-residents of >> am I allowed to or not allowed to park
here in between April and May. Um, so but I think it's going to take a little bit more >> uh time to kind of figure out what the what the best way to clarify that is. >> Um, and they too uh need to replace their
sign. So it' be a good time to uh take a look at that. >> Well, I was going to say I think that's really smart to take a breath and figure out what the regulation should be and make sure the sign is appropriate. I would advocate for fewer words. Okay?
You you can't expect someone to drive up and you know figure it should make be easy for people to do the right thing, right? So whether it's not putting the whole laundry list of possible parking scenarios on the one sign and maybe
having a different sign for each season, you know, you hook it on and >> right that would I think address your feedback that you can make the letters larger and say nope no non-resident parking. Okay. You know, just think about different sides instead of trying
to cram everything on on one, you know. >> That makes sense. Um >> a lot of copy on it. I can't read it. I couldn't. >> So, as we're talking about Ocean Street, if we end up doing something down there and taking some grant money, are we
going to have to allow possibly allowed non-resident parking there at some point? >> Usually, I don't think so. I think that's more about public access to the beach, you know, use of the beach itself. >> Yeah. Senior beach is the parking
beaches private. >> Right. >> Right. I I don't think so. I'll I'll double check, but I don't think so. I don't think it would impact our ability to manage the parking. >> That's the only reason West Beach has remained the parking lot remain uh
private is because they never took any federal money over. >> So, it did so it it did impact what they could do regarding parking. >> As soon as we took money for was it the stolen 78? >> Yeah. As soon as Manchester took federal money
for the uh blizzard of 78 to fix it, was it the seaw wall then? >> Seaw wall. >> That's when that opened up the beach. >> Oh, the beach has been open since the 30s. Um that certainly I was around going to the beach a long
time ago. >> The 30s. >> Wow. You kept real well. I West Beach I think you can >> you can't walk on >> you can't walk >> you can't walk on it unless you have a
>> unless you're moms or brides res >> I'll have to double check. >> Okay. Yeah, it's a good question. They got in a lot of trouble because they weren't paying the West Beach Corporation wasn't paying taxes >> because it was nonprofit >> and it was a questionable nonprofit
since it was restricted to >> know there's they were probably fighting this thing for over 100 years now. >> Okay. So, you will take up Singing Beach >> another time. >> Another time. But we will agree that
Ocean Street and Masanomo um will be no parking 10 to five. >> I actually >> well we changing mask up. I actually I had originally suggested that and then when I was talking I did a little bit more homework today with the harvester
and the chief and uh you know the reason I suggested changing it was cuz I thought it was odd that it was 2:00 a.m. to 6 a.m. I should have thought there must be a there must be a reason why it was 2 a.m.
And I think uh more so I think people who you know uh have moorings you know might go out on their boat and they come back late uh and you know and then get in their car and leave um the fisherman. So not knowing more of the history of
why 2 am to 6 a.m. was >> the final decision. I'd rather not um upset the cart and just add White Beach in 10 am 10 p.m. 5 to 5 a.m. >> residents. Yeah,
>> probably the area. >> Yes. >> Brenda Furong, 19 Ocean Street. Um will we also have a sign on White Beach declaring that there is no overnight parking? >> Yes. Once this vote is taken, we will work on uh getting new sign new signs.
>> There is one there. There is one. >> You need more than one. That's the issue. There's one little one and then you know some of the ones that are there you can't read. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Any further discussion
or information or in Okay. Um, we have a motion. >> Yeah, there's a motion there. >> I move the select board amend the parking policies by adding White Beach to the list of lots with no parking 1000
p.m. to 5:00 a.m. resident only from May 1st to October 1st. >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> John? >> Yes. >> Says yes. Kathy. Yes. Brian. Yes. And Jeff. >> Yes.
>> Okay. I hope that helps your problem. >> Thank you. >> We'll see see what that does. >> Appreciate that. It's >> I appreciate the fact that you took a measured approach to it. We get to a good result. So, thank you. >> You're very welcome.
Okay. >> Uh, Department of Public Works. Well, they were in Myrtle Beach last week, so I can share their golf scores with you, but I don't think it's they aren't worth sharing. But the the meter the meter conversion
continues and that goes that's that's going well. Um, I will say there's going to be confusion with the billings that came out and I spoke with them today because the bills came out on Friday and for those meters that have changed, your bill or your usage is now in gallons and
if they have not changed yet, it's in per 100 cubic feet. >> And when I looked at my bill and it said like 5,000 and I was used to seeing 300, I said, "What's going on here?" And then I looked, I said, "Oh, because I have a new meter." They'll be getting calls on that and that'll be confusion for a
while. I don't know that they're going to be able to do anything about that until most of the meters are turned over. So, it'll be a problem for at least one more billing cycle. So, uh but the but the meter replacement at about 150 to 200 meters a week uh
every two weeks is going going along well. Um historic district commission just they had a meeting last last week. It's just standard stuff, decks and the fence, that sort of thing. The seniors I think have been a subject here and will continue to be a subject. So I'm not
going to touch on that. And the library is making good progress with its uh ADA bathroom. I guess they're going out for numbers. They've got numbers now and starting to move ahead about 100,000 bathroom. >> People borrow money.
>> Yeah.$10. >> It's a lot of money for bathroom. That's it. I think >> um bike and ped meeting got pushed. It was supposed to happen last week. Now it's going to be this Thursday. And we have another facilities committee
meeting on Monday where I think we're going to be meeting with is it Fen O'Neal Tony of the engineers who are looking at the DPW facility. So more to come on that. >> Yeah. We've uh got parks and wreck all like
thunder was taken. They meet Wednesday evening. Uh ZBA meets Wednesday evening which should be an interesting uh meeting Wednesday evening. >> Oh yeah. >> Goes on the agenda. Uh and then uh PNCOM
uh that was last week. There was one comment by one of the applicants that said that it would have been a lot easier if they've been meeting in person as opposed to trying to do everything >> that he could have probably saved some time if they were in person. So, I will be revisiting that the next month or so
with hopefully a um suggested bylaw that allows the uh select board to require uh boards to meet adjudicator boards to meet hybrid and I'll have that so uh
Tony can get to town council look at it and uh hopefully the select board can get behind it. Uh if not, maybe we'll just go sit petition. >> Dealing with that. Um
in the case of the select board, if there is some interruption in the in the um remote access, we wait to get it cleaned up and continue remote. I think we have never had to cancel a meeting
entirely because the remote wasn't working. Um the finance committee has the remote access as a favor and say that they will continue with meeting if even if they
have to shut down the zoom and I think we need I think there's been an recent update to the law on that allowed hybrid meetings and remote meetings and I'd like to get before we take up Brian's
uh request that we find out what exactly the legislature anticipates is would it be legitimate just to cut off the Zoom um or do we need to have a way of maintaining a if it meetings is
advertised as hybrid that it needs to stay hybrid. >> Well, that was the intent to maintain a a hybrid model at the very minimum. >> The problem >> I think what they want to do is they want to make what we have now lost so
they don't have to keep going back and vote on it, >> right? >> But but the question is the my question is if you have a meeting that's both local and remote >> and the remote and you decide to cut off the remote, is it still a legitimate
meeting? >> It is. I mean when has already there's uh in their >> I'd kind of like to have it from >> Okay. But I'm I'm confident that that's >> okay. Still >> so it may be that you have to add something to the you know to your
postings that says that >> and finance committee does that >> and actually Sarah Melish on the ZVA says it out loud as well. >> Okay. Okay. >> At the beginning of the meeting. >> At the beginning of the meeting that the meeting will continue in case there >> I'll ask I'll ask legal if they have any advice on that.
>> Yeah. If we're going to have >> a policy like >> to be a real one, >> it'd be at least consistent. >> Yes. >> Why change now? >> 2 to 5, 8 to 3. Yeah. >> Anything else?
>> No, that's it. That's I'm such >> Oh, I'm sorry. Just back on the cargo. I think I saw um a message come through on social media. The applicant is inviting. >> There's an open house. as uh the attorney called me today. >> He said that there'll be an open house tomorrow
>> at at the site. Okay. >> Uh and to address any public's concerns >> and uh they're happy to try to work as closely with the residents as possible.
>> I don't really have much for you this week. The hybrid advisory was cancelled. Um, I wasn't able to go on the planning board walk. I know a couple of you did, but um, I had another appointment and uh, that's about it for me.
>> So, to that point, I found actually uh, I wanted to walk Kathy. I saw John, you were in the other group. >> I was in the other group. >> It would be a quorum. >> Uh, and I found it informative. I thought I thought they did a good job. >> I felt a little more at ease with what I heard.
Well, I I heard a lot of different opinions. The uh was it December 4th is the forum? They having a forum that week that will be I think informative. There were a lot of different opinions in our group. >> Yeah, I think that uh there was some on
our on our >> December 4th >> from our group. I thought there was uh even just changing some language >> right >> from required or mandated to allow simple nuance changes that uh make made
me feel a lot more comfortable. >> Um the finance committee hasn't met raise somebody um moving soon um >> Thursday. Yeah. of the
board of health um met um to discuss the uh issue of they're joining the uh health and and welfare uh department
which is an interesting discussion but um happily it's up to Tony to sort that one out. During what department? the health and human services >> board of health. >> Well, the the team it was about the team
leader job. >> Oh, okay. And and do they really belong in the same group with parks and wreck and the sense help and help? Big word right there, right? >> Help and >> I don't know. Just seems like a big red
flag to me. Anyway, um the I think it's the 20th board of health is going to consider um to Desmond Avenue again. Um
school committee uh had a nice long meeting. Um the only thing that I think would be of great interest is general interest is the report from the schools school building committee.
Um and they have eliminated um what's the street? >> Apple >> Apple Street. Oh >> um as a possibility never seemed like a good idea. um it's it's expensive and
most of the much of the expensive stuff is directly on assets and will not be will not be reimburseable. So the next question that they're taking up is the configuration of um this the elementary schools and they are looking
at three um configurations or they talked about three configurations. one is where it is now, K through five. Um, and there'll be some more prek in in Essex in school.
Um, for um or um stopping Essex at third grade and sending the rest of the fourth and fifth to um
memorial or um just sending everybody to memorial. Everybody in the memorial is really a non-starter, at least according to the building committee um because they have um an interest. their application to the
MSBA um was for a school for the Essex Elementary School and if we're going to eliminate it, we don't get the money and it would take money to expand the Essex Elementary School to the point where u
it could handle the whole elementary and that would also require um amending the regional agreement and which would require a vote by both towns and both towns have been fairly vocal about
wanting to keep their kids in their cap. >> So the um um reducing it to the third grade having K through three in in Essex has the same
problem with changing the regional agreement. Um Memorial School is large enough to handle another fourth and fifth grade. It would have a little benefit in that if you have two classes and they're too
big, you divide them into three and they're all too small. If you have four classes and you need a fifth, you get a better distribution. On the other hand, it does require a vote to change the agreement and it doesn't really save you very much because the K through three
school would still have to have a gym and a cafeteria and a kitchen. um you you're eliminating four classrooms but not really in the opinion of so nice >> they selected K through three instead of K through two to look at
>> A through2 schools don't need a lot of that extra stuff that's why >> is that transportation looked at >> there's transportation with that u >> um K through2 still needs a place to eat and a place to cook And >> I think that if you're in for a penny,
you might as well be in for the positive, >> but that's not my decision. >> Right. >> We have friends. >> Yeah. They they'd also like to coordinate um if the decision that they
ultimately decide on is going to require a ballot vote of a dead exclusion. um the timing of that. Uh if they if you if they if you want to
add that question to the November ballot next year, you have to submit that request to the state sometime in July. Uh typically you would have a town meeting prior to the ballot vote. So that would that would time things up an
October special in both towns and then the ballot vote uh at November that first Tuesday in November. >> So what are we looking at for a timeline as far as them deciding what option they're going to do in a plan or what
they want to build? >> How far are we away from that? Given that the only decision they've made so far is that Apple Street is not a candidate, I'm not sure. >> So, yeah, we're we're not even close,
right? >> Even if even if they settle on um preK through five in Essex, do they renovate? Do they So, there there are a number of
decisions to be made. So, I think before July we will have a pretty good idea of whether that we're in a position to because we'd have to have an idea of what it's going to cost. Right now we don't have an idea what it's going to
be. So but I will certainly keep an eye on that. Um and that's all I have. Okay. consider.
Um, >> that's me. >> All right. I move that the select board approve the consent agenda. >> Second discussion issues. Great. John, >> yes. >> Annie, yes. Kathy,
>> yes. >> Brian, yes. >> And Jeff, >> yes. >> Okay. um administrative department. >> Okay. So, I just wanted to bring forward to you some, you know, the requests that
we've received for capital to date um in front of you, this document that I handed out before the meeting. Um this first page is your FY27 requests that we've received. Uh and a couple extra
down the bottom. And the page on the back uh is you've probably seen it in the past. This was a previous capital improvement five-year look ahead plan. Um so our we have a significant number of
capital items that we need to address in the upcoming year. Um, and the biggest the biggest one is is uh the water plant improvements and PAS upgrades which is at uh $12 million. Uh
the town has applied to DP's SRF program uh that that would we should find out in February or March if we get uh accepted into the program. uh that allows for long-term lowinterest uh loans
uh and potentially some uh debt forgiveness. So, it's definitely the way uh the best financial way forward for us. Hopefully we're successful in getting added into uh their IUP and we'll find out later this spring, but we
still would be required to uh authorize the borrowing through that program uh which would be a town meeting vote and likely with that would be um a debt exclusion vote uh as well to pay
that debt. the debt for something like that uh through that program usually doesn't hit until after the project is completed. So maybe two or three years before that debt actually um has to start to be paid.
>> Do we take out bands in the meantime? How do we pay for >> So we borrow through their pro through the SRF program. Um there's no debt service until the project's completed. >> Ah okay. So they pay for it. Okay. Yeah.
Got it. >> Yep. >> Um we also have uh as part of the our roadway reconstruction um capital improvements under public
works. Uh Tapen Street has been a topic that uh for a project that's been on the list for quite some time now. This is uh water, sewer, drainage, resurfacing, and sidewalk. It's the full
>> um full gamut as far as reconstructing a roadway. And then we have other roadway improvements, um drainage and sidewalks improvements according to our annual capital improvement plan and design uh
for Bennett Street. Um as you can see the DPW facility number uh uh that's for that's for conceptual design as well for DBW safety facility. uh we may not include that in our spring
town meeting um uh figures because similar you know we may want to uh move a little bit further along in the process with the facility planning committee before we ask it's it's likely that we'll be ready for
conceptual design sometime in the next fiscal year. Um, if we're going to have a special town meeting in the fall, we could take up the cost of that design at that point. Uh, and we have about $800,000
uh in in hand now from a previous appropriation uh to go towards that go towards that work. Um, dredging is another big uh item here. Uh, $1.9 million. This is for uh Proctor
Cove and the main channel. Um we also have a couple of things at the bottom of the list here that I think we have to make some decisions about as a group. Um the three three projects of the council
on aging, the central street folver and the rotunda. Uh so Council on Aging, we are that's going to be a fundraising uh element involved with uh paying for
that project, but we may need to uh we may need to pay for it and then be reimbursed through the fundraising um effort. one because it it'll put us in a position to go out to bid and actually
get the project started while fundraising is continuing to happen, but also because we can't fund raise ourselves and we're actually going through a third party. And the way that their um process works is that as we uh
they're not going to be uh sending us funds as it's raised, we actually provide an invoice to them and they pay us for that invoice or in a in a in a form like that. Uh so we may need to front, you know, put the money up
>> uh up front. Central Street Culver, as you know, we have um the brick grant, hope hoping for an extension on the brick grant. Uh we're also applying for the MVP grant. Um but if both of those things are
unsuccessful, we have to decide if we if that's something we want to uh fund on our own. and the ratunda. Uh we have applied for an SEC grant to pay for the cost of the rotunda, but I talked with the as a backup plan, we could apply for CPC
bonding uh borrow through the CPC. uh in which case the money that's already been approved for the ratunda through CPC would be uh we would just ask to bond the full cost of the ratunda project and they would take back the previous appropriated funds from there which I
think is about $500,000. So, we're I think you know it's it ultimately once we go through the operating uh budget requests and take a look at what our uh needs are as far as uh what we have to fund with our on the
operating side, we'll understand better how much extra we have to go towards capital. I'm assuming I don't want to assume. We'll we'll I'll let you know where we're going to be at that point. Um, but we're looking at
multiple uh debt exclusion uh needs here where that we whether we do one debt exclusion vote that features multiple projects or multiple debt
exclusion votes for each project. is going to be part of >> part of the discussion that we you know strategy >> as far as strategy goes. >> Are there different rates for what you borrow or no? It doesn't matter. Like if
you tied a couple things together. >> Um I think that if we even if we uh I'll have to double check with Andrea. I don't think she's >> I'm on.
>> Excellent. I was Andrea I was going to say that even if we voted if we got approval separately if we had a if we asked the voters to vote on debt exclusion per project um >> still have the ability if we were moving
forward with those projects in the same time frame would we have the ability to to borrow those as one for a better rate? >> Yes. Yes we would. So we wouldn't be So we on our on the accounting side, we could still
>> Yeah, you can split it up at town meeting, but you can put it all together. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Good. That's good. >> Yeah. And depending on the time, that's what we just did for the 7.5 million that was appropriated um previously. Um we banned for the water and now we're
going to be banning for the sewer and then eventually we're going to go out for the full 7.5. So that's that's what plan we're doing going forward. >> Okay, great. >> Uh the library ADA bathroom is listed
here as well. Um a lot of the on the harbor uh outside of dredging the other harbor related items that are included there uh regarding a vehicle or um the public safety boats or the hydraulic trailer.
>> Yeah. What what why do we need a hydraulic trailer? >> Actually, the idea there is it's long-term savings. So, what we could do with the hydraulic trailer is actually haul all of our boats to launch the public safety boats on our own. And
instead of having um because we don't have trailers for some of those boats, that hydraulic trailer can trailer all of them. >> But what are we paying to haul? I mean, what do we have? Six boats. What is I mean? >> Yeah. I mean, >> I can get the backup for you.
>> They're not that big. It's not that expensive, though. >> Well, I'm thinking even if you're spending 500 bucks or 600 bucks a boat. >> Yeah. >> It's a lot less than $41,000. >> Over time, you're going to have to spend money on this trailer, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> I'll I'll get you the backup on it. I think the idea there is that the idea there was to uh to save money long term by reducing the amount of trailers that we have. the amount of insurance that we have, uh the the amount of times we need
to haul, use an outside vendor to haul. >> But I could put all that in adding up. I mean, >> we have some trailers already. >> I don't have a trailer. I have my boat hauled. It's >> we have two trailers, I think, now. Um and those two also are uh tied to the
boats that we may surplus uh when we switch over. So, I think that was another piece of it was that you could get more if you include the trailers to those boats as well. >> But I don't I don't think it's just, you know, I you don't think we only haul We
may haul multiple times a year if you have an issue with the boat that needs to be worked on. I'm not sure. I got to I I'll get back. >> My thing is you're going to spend 41 grand on a trailer, right? And in five years, you're going to be dumping money into this trailer, >> right? I mean, hydraulic trailer is not
cheap to fix. >> So, is there really a cost savings there, >> right? Yeah, I think that would be worth um you know, the finance committee obviously looking at those numbers like we did for the launch and the other thing that that's that those numbers
aren't adding up for me. >> I would reserve >> I'm not saying no. I just I want to I want to save I want to see pay. >> Sure. Yeah. And that's going to go with a lot of these things. >> Right. Right. >> What we're doing tonight is just um you know sharing what we've received for
requests and and you know looking at the kind of the big picture. Um the next step in the process is to really go, you know, get into the weeds on all these requests and decide what we're going to move forward with, what the strategies strategies going to be, you know, how
how are they going to be funded? >> What was the um do we know what the total was last year? I can go look it up. But >> well for for capital it was around four 4.2. I looked at it and in the current year >> if you back out all of these big numbers which is what dredging and tap and
reconstruction and the DPW facility and the water plant. >> That's right. It was it's usually around three or four. >> You're you're about where you were last year. When I first looked at the bottom line I said, "Oh, good grief." And then >> I think it was a seven and a half. Andrea, can you weigh in on that last
year? >> Yeah. So, we had the 4.2 total and then we also had the 7.5 debt exclusion, >> right? Are any of these items here part of that debt exclusion like water main improvements or something
or is is that all the 7.5 is allocated to other projects that aren't on this list? >> The 7.5 were was for water and sewer infrastructure. Um like like for the water it was like the water meters and Pleasant Street, School Street. Um, >> right.
>> So, that was that was from last year, >> but Okay. And none of the water and sewer entries here are part of that. That's in addition. >> Correct. >> That's what my >> on the 27 list, right? >> Yes. >> Out of curiosity, um, in the hover
master there's $75,000 for equipment, transport, and emergency response. I What's that? Um, hold on one second. Uh, so we have right now we have a 2019
Ranger uh that doesn't that we can't haul boats with. Uh, this is a Ford Ranger vehicle that we have for the Harpmaster. Um, so we would be replacing that with a new vehicle. Yep. >> Okay. Um,
and back and taking that current Ranger and backing it down to more of a uh shared vehicle for multiple multiple purposes. Acco, >> Harvard Master, Town Hall, you know, different types of things that we could
use uh instead of having >> Okay. So, that that truck is kind of dependent on the >> ties together. Yeah. Yep. >> Making the trailer 100,000.
>> Yeah. I mean, >> the trailer. We don't do the trailer. We don't need the truck. >> No. I I mean, I still think we're we're still >> What are you buying for a truck? Because I mean, you're going to need something half decent to haul a hydraulic trailer.
Like, >> yeah, it would have to be >> It's not going to be like >> Yeah. No, it would have to be like a 450 or 550. It's not You're not going to haul the regular pickup truck. >> Well, yeah, it's going to have to be a
larger a larger uh I think we I don't think we need to go with like a a 450 or 550, but 350 I think you could do. >> So, I guess on the >> You'd know better than me. Well, I I'd
have to see what this I mean, you have to see what this trail is what the capacity is. What do you Well, you're looking at more boats, too. So, what what's the weight of these boats? >> Again, let me get you. >> Yeah, I know. So, we need more info.
We're gonna need I think information on um I will I want to bet you know for the fire department we we've always had like a really good um outline of u the replacement time frame and cost and
stuff like that. I feel like for the other big areas we don't have that plan as visible. I think we talk about it in little pieces. So, it' be nice to see the whole like replacement plan like for the new
>> I've seen it for uh DPW and I think police is on like a pretty standard >> I've seen it I've seen part of it for DPW. Yeah, I don't think I've seen police but anyway to refresh our memories I think that would be helpful. Um the public safety votes I mean I that
was something I didn't expect to see on the list. So I just or this equipment. >> Yeah. Didn't we buy boats last year? >> We're always buying something. So it's like >> we bought a safety boat last year. >> We bought
>> boats last a long time. They're not like cars, you know. So what do we >> I know we got two launch boats. Um Right. >> Yeah, that's what we bought last year. >> Yep. Uh but one of them it was a package deal was my understanding. One of them, one of
them's serviceable, the other not really. Um, the >> that wasn't the way it was presented to us. >> That's right. >> Yeah. I don't >> No, >> I don't know. >> So, that's I mean, >> wasn't I wasn't >> I'm just saying you were here >> going to push hard on that one because And also that shouldn't be for the
launch because the launch is supposed to be 100% not funded by tax dollars, right? So, the the launch fees and whatever else they do with it has to fund this. So I think the other thing that would be helpful is to understand understand it all has to be in one budget but which ones are funded by tax
dollars versus not that would be a helpful piece of information. So >> anything to do with the launch is not to be funded by tax dollars. >> So I think one of these boats is going to have some fire equipment on it. Is that right? >> We spent 116 on boats last year.
>> Yeah. >> Yep. And they last a long time. It's not like a car that you replace every last year. 100 grand towards a $217,000 match for two new boats.
Does that sound right? >> And we're selling down here >> and we were trading the boats in, weren't we? Or >> something like that. But we've been we've been working with the the Edge the Edgewater
and the um former Coast Guard boat, right? So, I think they want to get rid of that Coast Guard boat and then have another boat that's got fire capability on it. >> Yeah, >> I think and the edgewater. I'll get I'd
rather like bring you guys >> you know where our question. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh there's a there's a there's a port security grant that's going towards um the cost of the two new boats that covers 75%. So, and part of when it
comes to the harbor, uh, as you pointed out, we're we're also this kind of ties into this other discussion of potentially creating a harbor enterprise, right? >> And any side even dredging, >> you know, uh, the debt service for that
would be >> uh would be come through the a future enterprise account if created. So all these capital items the I think the idea would be uh to >> but so I didn't think it >> so an enterprise account means fully fee
funded. >> Yep. >> No, >> I don't think it does. I didn't think so >> because we pay for stuff at the sewer plant. >> We certainly pay for sewers and we pay for water. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It can be Okay. I'm sorry. It can be subsidized by the general fun. So I think dredging it outside of that
>> commitment nothing to do with that harbor launch the boats the maintenance the personnel nothing is to be funded by tax dollars >> whether it's an enterprise fund or not that's for the accountants and you to decide but that is not a service we're
funding out of tax dollars >> and I think we're on that I think we're on board with that >> the fi the finance committee is supposed to you know we're supposed to take a look at that every year and make sure and if it doesn't meet the the criteria that we outlined in the original plan, the service gets shut down. That was the
commitment. >> I don't I I don't think that there's anything in here that is >> okay. I like I said, I just I haven't seen the results from the past season. You know, what did we make? Was it >> talking about that Thursday night? I think it's
>> I think it was pretty much the same as last year. Then how can we afford some new B? >> Well, I can't answer that, but the numbers I saw was looked like it was a repeat of last year for the most part, >> right? Which is why the finance committee needs to do a deep dive on it.
Yeah. >> Okay. Question two on the um the software for the accounting. Um, maybe Andrea can answer this, but um, are we looking at expanding our relationship with the Danvers IT
Collaborative so that we share like is it are we buying into software that they have or this is standalone software that we have and if it's standalone software that we have, why aren't we doing more with um, the, you know, our partner
community there to provide the software that we need to run the town? I don't know if for this type of software I don't know if that is an option but Andrea can speak to it. >> Yeah, Kathy. Um I have discussed this
with collaborative um over the last few years. Um they like the town of Danvers currently uses Munis um which is like pretty much one of three u municipal software packages that work in Massachusetts. Um when they spoke to
Munice um Munus is really not interested in having multiple clients under one umbrella. Um they prefer to have separate contracts. So this is like a standalone um financial system software for the town. Um it's something that if
we went with Munus, we could partner with Danver so that um because Munis kind of works with the you know they really want you to have your own IT department. Um, and since Danvers does have Munis and we work closely with them, they could potentially be that um,
for us if we went that route. Um, but there's other um, vendors that we're currently researching as well. So, hope that answers your question. >> Kind of. I just think in the area of any type of software, we should be doing the
bare minimum unique stuff because there's nothing that we do that is unique, right? we belong to a a state and every other town does the same stuff, right? So, >> right, >> um we really need to emphasize some of
those regional partnerships or multi- town partnerships and just staff office stuff because, you know, it's just it gets out of hand. Thank you. Um, okay. So, we'll be going to the finance committee
on Thursday, uh, previewing the list of these capital requests that we've received with them, um, and talking about next steps and what the schedule looks like. I'd like to be, you know, I'd like to kind of um
discuss these items with you before, you know, finance committee meetings moving forward as well. Um just to make sure that both boards are on the same page and uh we as far as as far as operational
requests go, we've received those. Uh we're now starting to meet with each department on their operational requests as well. Um, we should know on just back to on on the rotunda, we should know typically they
tell you about those grants in November. Um, but you're also usually able to apply in late July, early August, and this time we didn't we weren't able to apply until September. So, um, we're likely going to I talked to Jack
Burke. We're likely going to submit the application for the rotunda, uh, because their applications are due December 3rd, uh, December 4th, I think. And then we can always pull it back if we find out we got the grant. So, when do you anticipate since you're
meeting with the finance committee on Thursday, when do you anticipate having another conversation with us about um stuff, >> financial stuff? >> I mean, I I think I think it's probably going to be some
some element of that need is going to be almost on every meeting, every select board meeting, I would think. Um it's hard to say it's hard to say uh if it'll be the next select board meeting or the one after that. >> Okay. >> But because I'm still going through the
process internally with the department heads on their requests and you know for me I typically like I like to see the operational side of things before kind of making recommendations as to how we're going to fund these capital items.
I want to know what are we bringing in in taxation, you know, pre asking for a debt exclusion and then how are we going to best utilize that towards things that we have in front of us and then, you know, kind of separate it out that way.
So, I'd like to see those numbers and and dive into that a little bit deeper before uh coming back with a recommendation as to how we separate these items out. >> I think we may need to talk priorities
is why I'm asking, right? Because likelihood of us doing every single thing on this list, not so sure, you know, that might be tough. Um, so, um, I think I think that's a conversation we
need to have as a board, you know, priorities and, you know, you the information to to talk that through with you. >> Yeah, that sounds good. I think I mean I could see just by looking at this right away, I
can see, you know, dredging uh the road roadway reconstruction including underground utilities, you know, grouping those together. Um
and the uh PAS items all kind of being their own individual debt exclusion projects. And then you have those other three that we have to decide if that's something that you know those are
>> problem is the meat of this thing are must haves for the most part. Well, >> most of it >> don't know. Can we ask >> most of it? Most of it is must haves. I can see, you know, I can see I'll get you guys more information about the
harbor master request, but a lot of this is uh there's only a couple things in here that I might have a different opinion about, but as far as
the smaller number, the smaller dollar number amount of those items, a lot of those are either standard, you know reoccurring requests on an annual basis under capital uh or they're things that have been on the list that need to get
done. The larger projects are all things that have been discussed. That's why I added this paper behind. You know, I think that the town, you know, the the finance committee, the town, they've been talking about a capital a five-year
capital plan and a lot of these items have been previewed. It's just scary to see them all on one sheet. It is. I'm the lucky one to uh >> the ones that make a difference are the
big ones.$25 $50,000. It's not >> No, but still >> big decision. Unless you're going to put, you know, a dozen of them together. >> But when you're looking at numbers like we're looking at, if we can get us rid of something that's $50,000, I'll take the pennies. You know, I mean, I just
keep remembering, you know, the conversations I've been hearing on the news lately about the insurance. You know, I'm trying to think about this from the residents perspective. You know, they get in their tax bill. We have to be careful how much we raise the tax bill. If we're going to raise the tax bill and
debt exclusions, they count. >> Okay? And I don't know about you guys, I got hit with a 40% increase on my health insurance. 40%. Okay? And so anybody who doesn't work for a company who who isn't getting some sort of subsidized, you know, health
insurance, that's a big nut that people have to swallow. And I don't want to add to that for so I just think we have to really sharpen our pencils this year. I think it's important >> or at least understand why we, you know, >> or can you push something off, you know?
>> Yeah. >> Can you push something off the year? Does everything on this list have to be this year? We got to ask the questions. We have to ask those tough questions. >> I think you do. I think you got to ask the questions. I think unfortunately
from my initial impression here is a lot of these things on this list, those questions have been asked year after year >> and they've been pushed off year after year and >> the cost of things continues to rise.
And then you get, you know, uh, a change in PAS regulations that all of a sudden you have to do a $12 million project that you weren't planning five 10 years ago, you know. So those there's there's
definitely some there's definitely going to be some large numbers. Um, >> I I don't disagree with that. I just want to make sure that when we talk about these numbers, I want us to understand when we stack it all up, how does that compare to the inflation rate
that we currently have or are projected to have? And you know, I want to see some history. You know, how much we've been raising things? Um, and uh I just I just think we have to have some tough conversations. >> I mean, we still got to add a school
budget to this, too. that, you know, to your point, not everything's on this list and >> nice first step. >> Yeah, it is. It's good, but that's important to talk about this stuff first, you know,
>> this whole conversation for >> all right. >> Yay. >> Um, >> is that the end of your report? Do you have another shot for us? >> No, it cannot
it it can be um we talked about as far as just going with things with this uh senior center. Um we're still on track. We're hoping for
initial 10% design documents and cost estimates by mid December. Um we're meeting with the friends um this week. What? >> Wednesday uh to look at the updated
conceptual plans. Um all three conceptual plans are excellent. Um it'll be interesting to see how they vary in cost. Um, and hopefully we can get all three cost
estimated out so then we can decide which which plan we're going to move to look like. >> Uh, but I we're making, you know, significant progress under the umbrella of COA with the director being hired with um meeting tonight on the condo
docks and then continuing the progress on the design >> of the senior center. Thanks. Um that case um I think we have executive session schedule. >> Yes. >> So
okay um we can turn off the resume um after I say this. I move that the left board enter into executive session pursuant to general laws chapter 30A
section 21A6 to consider purchase exchange lease or value of real estate property at Masonic Hall 10 Church Street if the chair declares an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the negotiation position of the public body and not to
return to open session. And I do say that an open meeting could have a detrimental effect on the negotiating position. >> Second, >> Jeff. >> Yes. >> Yes. Answers yes.
>> John, yes. >> There we go.