##VIDEO ID:_iU_xZIgBis## of the Manchester select board to order at 57 uh Jeff yes Kathy okay here Brian yes Ann's here John John is here okay um there's no is there comment from anyone not items not on the agenda is there anyone online good two others online Okay um they do not have comments on No Agenda I'm not hearing seeing us hand raised now okay um I apologize for the agenda item about the open meeting complaint um Greg was out of touch and I made the mistake of thinking that he might have overlooked something he didn't it's okay we have we'll take it up on Monday we'll take it up on Monday um we did get an extension we got okay that that was what I I I should have communicated so well I should have assumed um so it'll yeah um Town Council will be here at the meeting on Monday for some other items so so also okay help walk us through that as well great um there is no Chairman's report is there anything to do with the agenda item with the um oh God action action yes it it became right nope for me be looking on what we here for okay um got to bring my agenda John what what's next you may work off of that that's why we have a it's a long list okay um right got it I knew that there were two um the first item on the agenda is um the storm water management rules and regulations um which I assume we have all read and digested carefully um are there something like that to the best of our ability um chck do you want to walk us through roughly yeah I mean I'll take two seconds and so obviously you guys all know the bylaw pass thanks Brian's great reading of the uh action at town meeting so we have the new form water bylaw the uh intent here was to take the previous version of the bylaw to make it smaller a little more concise with less things that will need to be updated according to DP and epa's wiim over the next several years so that's why the revised bylaw is only four pages whereas the previous one was you know 27 or something along those lines uh so what I hope we're here tonight to do is to approve the storm water management rules and regulations that are now basically DPW rules and regulations anything this was one of the questions at town meeting that I don't think I did a good job answering but what I was trying to say is that all of the performance driven requirements that were in the previous bylaw will now reside in the DPW rules and regulations if like the reason that we made this change is because in these rules and regulations now there was reference to erosion control plans and DP and EPA for whatever reason weren't on the same page as to what the requirements in the storm water bylaw should be for erosion control plans so now instead of having to go to town meeting and update the law for something so mundane we will just update between yourselves and DPW we will just update the DPW rules and rs and we will check the box for EPA and DP without going back to town meeting so that is basically taking the 27 is pages that were in the previous bylaw and making them a rules and rs that are compliant with EPA and D requirements so that's what this is if there are any specific questions I will do my best to field them um the other thing I'll just say is this will not circumvent or otherwise replace planning board special permits which also have storm water requirements in them so long as their requirements are at least as strict as these uh and same with concom you know there's the Wetland bylaw we are not circumventing or otherwise replacing any requirements that concom would have it's just in the case that concom is not as stringent as these regulations these regulations would Prevail but I'd say in practice we can generally be rest assured that DP or planning board and concom are at least as strict as these um but this is what we are required to do for our ms4 permit which is something that DPW basically oversees so enforcement that yourie for if so you know the the idea is if if you trigger the storm water management rules and regulations and uh you don't have to go for a planning board permit special permit or concom then um we would Grant you a storm water management uh permit and we would be the ones that enforce that permit we will do the initial review we will have our own fee structure and conditions and um I think there's even a requirement in here 99% sure for us to hold a public meeting which would probably have to be on a select board agenda because we don't have a DPW commissioner you know um public uh so so a question you mentioned that these are much shorter and I don't know how many pages are here I assume that most of this information here deals with a lot of the administrative issues to integrate the DPW into this into the permit providing process and the details associated with uh a lot of the civil engineering activities are not part of this but they're part of the broader so the the rewrite essentially the bylaw is shorter because it's referring to DPW rules and regul and that stuff is elsewhere DPW rules and regulations are what we're discussing tonight is the regulations the B the longer version the the the bigger docum it's not short the it's page 20 it goes to page 28 of 23 yes it's long yeah 29 sorry but that's with the Mark H yeah okay well um two small questions the pro now uh yeah we've already talked about this section five Administration section c yep so I I I saw your comments and uh I marked up my version so I assume it's okay I'll just you know they're kind of more it's it's just a it's it's a typo I I agree with you it should be consistent not inconsistent whatever that language was right right you really wanted to be consistent with the purpose and not inconsistent exactly and then uh um I think that was the only kind of yeah there's there's a there's a missing F and if somewhere in the yeah I can uh I I'll do you know I'll have Ruth go through one more time and look at the you know the ABCs all in rological order and okay alab yeah yeah yeah so yeah I think we'll I think we'll get there but in general I don't think there's um in general this seems to cover um there there are various stages of permit that you have to have and and um what kind of activity would would trigger these regulations the bylaw and then these regulations so the major the major uh concern is you know there are believe it or not some gaps in town where there might not be a planning board special permit or concom jur so basically there's no Wetland jurisdiction because they're not near Wetland so they're Inland somewhere and then there's no planning board because you know it's just somebody with a single family lot that's going to still have a single family lot this will you know the main triggers are if they disturb over an acre of land so they're they're may be a virgin lot somewhere in town uh where they go out and clear an acre of trees to you know put in their one family or a single family home or even if it's multif family but for whatever reason doesn't trigger planning board um and then uh so you know those are the big ones and then the other one would be if they're um disturbing grade more than uh two feet so you know there's just happens to be an outc crop in the middle of the property so they go in and blast it and but or maybe they just hammer it so they or for Reon then this would trigger that and so the the that was in the previous one was the erosion control plants so there needs to be something and you know I think everybody would agree that um you know somebody goes in and clears an acre of trees they have to do something to contain that storm water run off to make sure it doesn't infiltrate their neighbor you know Downstream or something like that and so this is a process to basically check that box okay so those those are the big ones that you would see and there's really not that many left I think that's why it hadn't really you know until ms4 became a thing that we do every year you know 15 years ago like that didn't exist and so it wasn't really was one acre the previous cut off it's 20,000 Square fet now so it's half an acre right so that's land disturbance so it's yeah it used to be one acre now it's we put in, that's actually we do have some discussion there it has to be uh you know according to the RS it has to be one acre but we just made it 20,000 because there are some instances where you know somebody might demo their house and a garage and start over again and that's really just start you know it's not technically deserving more than an acre but they should have some erosion control and you know we should we should take a look at it um bring up some specific examples one Spy Rock Hill yeah um so I they technically went to the planning board first okay I don't think they got a special permit though so that would be out and then I don't know if they had any concom jurisdiction there so if not then that would have I'm I'm fairly and they just start more than 20,000 sare F feet so that would that would get trigger this um I'm thinking of the place up yeah so there's one on Summer Street right now but I think that also I think it's old but I think that it also um had a planning Board review before it was before my time or at least I wasn't aware of it that's but that they certainly cleared more than 20,000 oh go yeah yeah so yeah that would trigger it um although you would think that they probably have some level of Conservation Commission wetlands in there that that roadway through a wetland so they have a concom permit right so that should have a minimum of these erosion control standards that you know would have needed to have been approved by conom okay and I guess you don't know of anything that's not happened yet that you not yet um yeah not know um is there something the town should do to publicize the fact that just because you don't have to go to the planning board of the concom if you're going to tear up an acre of trees you need to yeah we'll certainly um make sure that Paul Lando building inspector is aware so that he he's the one who talks the most right okay are coming in to ask questions do I need a permit for this or that so this will certainly be on his list okay fine good that's probably our best place to to catch people yeah um cu otherwise you're not going to know until you see something going on right and so we we usually get uh get the phone call but yeah at that point you know especially if they've cleared a lot of trees you know hopefully now we'll be able to catch them on day one instead of you know after the fact a month later um and you know have them actually respond and do something but yeah there's definitely yeah and we can also talk to definely about putting information people check in with DPW but until we pass these you know I just say you know don't don't start over more than an acre and you know if you have concom or planning board then you need to go get a permit from them yep great um in the future it would be nice to have final copy we come to approve it um but so kind of been a this has been SP yeah and then a rushan yeah um okay any any other comments so if you appropriate to ask for any public comments I don't are there any yes and we've got a couple of people on I don't know if they had questions about this or not hearing none I guess you're okay okay um is there a motion there's a motion to approve the uh the revised rules and regulations as written second the discussion John yes says yes Brian yes yes Jeff says yes and Kathy yes okay um the second item on the agenda is to review and approve you can stay for this if you want you're interested in this but okay Cas you have a question review and approve non-essential water B Greg could you just so the state has has declared a critical water condition because of the um um belt that has been in place since about the end of August really been a very very dry fall obviously we got a bit of rain last week and looks like hopefully some more this week but one one or two rain rainy de doesn't doesn't cure a drought um so the state highly recom recommends that all Water Systems um Institute a ban on outdoor watering um and that people be encouraged to conserve their indoor consumption as well um until uh until we get more rainfall um we're we're doing okay with our supplies Reservoir is is holding its own pretty well yeah so we're at a level of 25 ft in the pond uh you know last year we had very rainy fall we were at 28 uh but we had been as low as 25 remember there was a drought in technically a drought in 2022 as well we were down at 25 in 2020 we were actually under 25 so like this what I would say is this is the seasonal Norm like we haven't really seen adverse conditions to the drought but we should be cognizant of you know kind of our overall environment so it be appropriate for you to vote to implement an watering ban obviously this time of year there's not a lot of outdoor watering going on but nonetheless um it's it's appropriate to do so and to also encourage people to to be mindful of their Indoor Water use as well okay is this uh will it be a date certain or we just wait for the state to say it's done it'll be until we sended yeah and then so you you'll vote for your send we're we're taking the lead from the state on this one right yeah which we usually do they uh yeah they will be you know you see on the news they have like their drug monitor so they will update that monthly I think during the drop they actually meet more frequently until they can either upgrade or downgrade it okay do we have a move to implement an outdoor watering B um and to encourage citizens to limit their indoor water usage so moved second Kathy um actually sorry just a question um last time we implemented a ban we did uh it was during the summer and so we had to take into consideration the marinas and their business usage um is that not an issue because it's November so so yeah we're not really defining it uh that strictly I mean can we say is it really Residential Water ban I mean the technical term from my point of view is actually non-essential use so essential you know that that has very specific meaning in the regulations the non-essential so like people using water from Arenas uh would be essential basically to their business their livelihood culture or forces any of that stuff I will offer modify my my statement of the motion to say a ban on non-essential outdoor water use and encourage the limited use of inter water again sounds good to me okay yes an says yes Brian says yes says yes yep said yes I think yes um I think it's the end of our agenda it is that's all we needed to do today very good excent thank you thanks CH motion toour second Kathy yes back your moving ran Yes Yes sounds good have a Happy Thanksgiving everybody I don't see you H 20 minutes record