nearly 6:30 and congress meeting Manchester United by the seas forward meet um Jeff here Brian here a here and it's here and John John is here excellent
um the first item oh this meeting is being recorded um the first item is a our public comments on non-aggenda items is there anyone here or on Zoom who would like to
make a public comment on agenda item. Hands. Um the next is the the chairman's report and um and action items and I will combine
part of that. Um on our next at our next meeting I would like to go through and make sure that we have leaison to all of the work um committees particularly the quite
judiciary um committees in particular the concom is looking for somebody um and I would like people to think about I I know you've been very active with bike and ped and three like I got a lot
you've got a and you're but and I understand that there are people here who work and who don't have unlimited time but um I would like particularly to make sure that we have uh somebody who is willing to and it may well be take on
the COC. I would also along that same line ask if someone else would be willing to take on the board of health. I have been able to go to very few meetings because they're usually Thursday mornings at 8:30. Yeah. And for whatever reason, I just that I have been able to make very few. So, um I usually
try and get in touch with Wendy afterwards, but if if someone is able to actually attend some of the meetings, that might be um more conducive. So, I thought long to last. I don't think they're that long. And sometimes you can look at the agenda and
just say, you know, that they're talking about, you know, septic, you know, specific property issues. Um but I just think about it to think about it. That's that's a once a month. It is. Yes.
So it's it's board of health um planning board um the CBA CBA needs needs less attention than many of them. I said planning board [Music]
essentially those are the ones that um need to have the select board strongly behind things and if we find them heading in a direction it be nice to get an early Okay. Okay.
Um, the next is action items. Aside from probably the committee assignments, does anybody have anything they want to add to the action items? I have one item. I would like to add the uh Powder House parking project to that. I think
that's been kind of I I barely call it moving along. It's been about three years, maybe more. And they're still moving through. I know they went through a discussion with the Concom. I think uh discussing with the DPW I think there might be a review that Concom is going
to do based upon the location which changed in the last six months. It was going to be in one place and now it's in another place. But I think we need to push that along. It's just been long. So if that could go on there and put it down for like h say a month from now.
I say in July and then maybe we'll put it on a by monthly basis or something. Um, I spoke with uh Sarah Kraton about the harbor management report. She says that they
hadn't seen it. They were as surprised as we were at its its breth breadth and lack of depth and um that they would like a chance to go over it. Um, I will check with her and see when that should be put back on an action item because
there's no point in in spending any time worrying about it. They have had a chance to talk about it. Okay. I don't think we have open-ended action items, but that's just one other thing. I was going to mention it when we talked about
reorganization, but since we're going to talk about liaison in two weeks, um I thought it might be helpful if the select board and the planning board and the downtown improvement committee kind of got together and just reviewed the um
charter for the downtown improvement committee project committee because now that the planning board has launched their own project around, you know, the downtown revitalization, we all have a role to play in that. And it's I think it's just good to get the roles and
responsibilities clear because downtown improvement is working a bunch of things that um you know I think we're aware of but it's more around marketing and we should just clarify roles and responsibilities. I think that would say okay good. How do you have a
suggestion how to do that? Um do we ask the planning board and the downtown improvement to come to one of our meetings? Do we probably the easiest way to do it? Um I would suggest that one person reach out to both
committees and talk a little bit about it. Kathy probably I'd be happy to do that. Yeah. that um I think it makes sense with the the downtown improvement think about pivoting more towards economic development and business retention recruiting which they have and
we I think we just didn't formally you know bless that as a select board. Um, but I think we should just kind of So, I'll reach out to Sarah and to Steve Carheart, ask for their thoughts and we could invite them to a
an upcoming. I think that would make sense. Because they're having a public hearing on Yes. be a forum. Uh, that's a forum forum on the on the study. Yeah. Yes. on on
whatever it is survey downtown vision. Yeah. What what believe that they think that the general district is broader than the business district and would like to see more business focus on the business area
and not apply the same to the outer parts of the of the general district. Okay. Um, our next item is board reorganization. I'd like to make a motion to nominate an
Harrison as the chair for the coming year. Second. Discussion. Vote. Jeff. Yes. Ryan. Yes. And yes. Ann says yes. And yes. And I would like to move that
we appoint John round as our vice chair. Second. Discussion. John. Yes. Pan says yes. Yes. Yes. One caveat. You get a sweater. Yes. Jeff. Yes.
Okay. Um, now the bike bicycle pedestrian committee has an award. Yes, we do. For everyone quickly for today,
they have a a a professional uh There we go. Yeah, you're you're looking at them right here. More color printer right here. Yeah. Yeah, the color printer. That that's, you know, a rare find these days. So, uh really what you're looking at here is
just more of an announcement that um uh Manchester by the Sea has been awarded uh a from the League of American Bicyclists a bike uh friendly community award.
Um Manchester by the Sea is one of 13 communities um towns in Massachusetts that have received this award and only uh one of 359 um in the entire nation has received
this um that has received this award. And really what uh this award really is is um well understanding what bike friendly community is. And that's providing safe accommodations for bicycling, encouraging uh people to uh
take uh choose bikes uh for both transportation and recreation. Um so that's really one of the big highlights of uh this program. uh were evaluated this evaluation happened in 2024 uh across five
categories and 40 subcategories as you'll see um I didn't list out all the subcategories but it's everything from like engineering of the town education um encouragement uh planning accessibility everything kind of you
know many many subcategories under those main categories so uh we were judged amongst u many so again we're one and in the state um one in 450 or so in the country and we ranked actually um in the
scorecard I just noticed today that in the actual scorecard that we ranked number two in the state for bike friendly so that's uh that's pretty great so uh as you could tell from the bike and pedestrian committee we're very excited obviously to share this news with you uh it's been shared in the
cricket the tide um we're updating our website some of the socials as Well, um and we're going to update the uh this information in the quarterly newsletter as well that goes out uh town. Um and we
have other communications that we're uh thinking of um establishing for local businesses such as some of our real estate companies in the town. Um, you know, having this uh bike friendly uh
one pager kind of in in the back of a real estate um a house listing is, you know, going to make the town obviously look really good and make uh you know, we have this nice fancy bronze badge here. That's right. To print out and so
the town can use that. That's exactly right. We have lots of badges. We have plaque. We can order plaques. We could order stickers. There's lots of things we could order. Uh but we do like as Brian said, we have um all this great material to share with local businesses.
Um and while this award really is a great uh testament to all the collective work that the town has done over the years, um it also provides us a uh kind of a scorecard. Um here, would you would you mind just taking a quick look at
passing that down? I don't have many copies of this because this is a lot of color and a lot of pages, but it's a report card and it basically gives us a road map of things that we can improve in the town over time. Uh everything ranging from uh infrastructure, safety,
education, promotion, uh engagement, planning and accessibility as well. And I think one of the big opportunities here is like, you know, not only having, you know, some more kind of signage for, you know, not only that's like bike friendly community, but where certain
bike paths are. Um, but continuing those efforts to, uh, you know, improve the infrastructure of the town and to educate kids, adults, etc. on uh, bike and safety. Uh, especially with the uh,
you know, with all of the electric bikes coming out. Brian has a great video on bike safety with electric bikes with police chief uh Fitz Fitzgerald. So to wrap this up, we're excited to uh extend our sincere thanks to uh police chief uh
Fitzgerald uh uh director of public works Chuck Dam and town administrator Greg uh Federspill uh for their valuable contributions and support in endorsing this application. and uh their partnership was instrumental in helping
Manchester by the Sea earn this recognition. You guys did a great job. Yeah. And I just want to add um the education, the videos that you guys do is really awesome, especially the ones directed at the the young folks. Um if you want to engage with the businesses a little bit,
I would encourage you to reach out through the downtown improvement committee. Great idea. Right. because the chamber of commerce attends those meetings that Gordon attends but they are very focused on communications with the businesses and we have business leaders now attending those meetings so
that would be a good first step. Okay, great. Okay, great. Thank you. Congratulations. Congratulations. Thank you all. Thank you. I can email anybody that's including if if you could send it to Debbie and Debbie you could send it to the rest of us. Yeah. Yeah. We have lots
of data. we have this report card and um there's a lot of educational material and such as well. So, we'll yeah, not only do that, but we're going to try to include a lot of this information on the town website for bike and ped. So,
yeah, and stuff there as well. We've been a tree city for a long time. It's nice to be a bike city. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm working on Raptor City. David We are a boat city already. Yep. Okay. Um and can I interrupt? Yes, of
course. Um designate the cricket in the Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. That was cap, right? Okay. All right. So I move that the select board designate the Cricut as the official and the and the Glouester Daily Times as
alternate newspapers for the channel discussion have a question what I mean alternate newspapers as opposed to what's No it's it's it's the primary and then if we can't get it into the cricket it goes They are because the cricket only comes
out a week sometimes. Yes, sometimes we do use the times because it's daily. Understood. Yes. Um Ann says, "Yes, Gabby." Yes. Yes. Thank you. Congratulations. if you
um the unless I've missed something else. Uh this Thank you. I usually do. Um the deority land.
Um we voted for this. Uh the town voted for this. Um, anybody see a reason not to sign this? I just want to go on record saying I didn't. Yes, that's true. Okay. That
that yes, we are taking potentially developable land and and and paying for not to develop it while we're paying for trust. For example, maybe we can take an action. Um I had asked this question before and there's
more land coming under conservation maybe the numbers have changed but we should understand what percentage of land in this town is under conservation restriction number that number exists and it's in
the mid to high 30s it's 35 38% and what is the what is the desired end state because we should be we have a port you should treat this like a portfolio. You know, you've got an investment portfolio. We have land investments. What percentage should be
under conservation commission u conservation restriction? What percentage should be developable? You know, we we got to know when to stop, I guess, is the question, right? So, we have limited amount of land and it's not clear to me when we should stop. Yeah. You you've reached a a pretty high bar.
I think we're higher than most. So, should we in the in the mid30s is is a typical goal. Okay. For a community. So is it fair to say we that was a you know 30 by 30 was a campaign of the past administration. Okay. Really 30% by
2030. You've overachieved. Now we blew over that. Finally we overachieve over bicycles trees. But I guess the question is you know if something else comes to us requesting
conservation like I we're going to talk about something else here. I that was but that's still in but I'm just saying if if we get a proposal the answer should be you know a swap because we've reached our limit you
know our asset allocation. I I think we should be more I agree with Brian we should be more um aggressive about a land swap as opposed to just taking more of our portfolio and putting it where we can't get at it. Six months ago, we did decline putting some land in
conservation over I'm trying to remember where. Oh, was it was just in the words of it was a help and suspenseless kind of thing. It's already basically Yeah, it was it was not accessible or say so basically it was up. Yeah. Right.
I'm just I think it was somewhere in the western woods. The western woods. We've done our bearing more than our bear shows. Yeah, this nine square miles. Thank you. I know there are people in town who think that we should put everything in
conservation. Yes, I'll vote and do that. There you go. You know a rock conserve my rock. Kids ready for a motion? Yes. Yeah. Move the select board approved to sign the
purchase and sales agreement for conservation restrictions and the agreement of conservation restriction for the property located at zero Coburn Road, Manchester. Second, further discussion. John, yes. And says yes. Kevin, yes. Brian, yes.
And Jeff, yes. Okay. Um that is for both the purchase and sales and the conservation restriction. Um the county is own the land of view forest. Um we need to approve a
conservation restriction but that is between the owner and um this I'd ask you to speak to this if you Yes, of course. Uh Chris Le Point, president of Essex County Green Belt. Um I would have
spoken to the previous two, but you seem to have uh had that handled. So thank you very much for that. Um this next request is for a portion of land that was given to Green Belt by Steven Marian Hall 22
Force Lane. Uh and then the reference to Palazola is there's some additional acreage that's included uh that we are swapping with Palzola uh and then we are putting a conservation restriction over land that we own to the Manchester
Essics Conservation Trust. The reason we're putting an additional conservation restriction on land that Green Belt owns is that this is actually part of the the Normandy landscape partnership grant. So, as part of the overall funding package for that project,
uh this additional acreage uh helped to secure state grant monies by adding additional uh uh land that is essentially eventually contiguous with the denormity land. So, that's the reason for the timing. That's the reason
for rebel conveying a restriction to Manchester Essics Conservation Trust. Uh question. Yes. You said that you are swapping the land. What are you swapping land for? There is a piece of land that
the halls gave us that is on Palazola's side of forest that is essentially right next to their lawn uh their landscaping. What's that?
No. No, it it's not. and they own additional acreage that's further in that's adjacent. So they're actually swapping more land for us than we are giving up. So we'll have a contiguous block. They'll have a contiguous block. Cleans up the edges. It's minor
acorage. The vast majority of that land is land that was given to us by the house about 16 acres total. Did you follow that? I I looked at the maps and it I should
probably have gone, but I'm having a little trouble. I mean, I saw where it is. It's all adjacent to 128 and it's next to all of these log uh the long skinny the long skinny logging and you own all of them.
We own all of them and this is right next to it between those lots and the highway. Exactly. And so that the largest parcel there Green Belt already owns, right? And the only thing I think that's confusing here at all if you look at the plan is there's a parcel A, a
parcel B, and a parcel C. Before this restriction goes on, we're swapping parcel A to Palazola and parcel uh B and C are coming to us and then we're putting a restriction over everything that we own.
uh follow that. So the request is unlike the previous one where the town is the holder of the restriction. This is simply the select board's role in approving a restriction between the envelopment addressation dress.
Okay. Um this is exhibit B. Did he have exhibit B? Let me just double check. Exhibit B, the plan of the premises. Is that what you ask? No. Yes, we do. Okay. So, just just to be sure that I understand. Um, there's Route 128. Yep.
Kind of in the center. Um, and below that is Barcel. Next, if if you if you please I could approach your table and show you because I can't read the print on here to make sure we're talking about the same thing. Would that be helpful?
Yes. I'd like to approach the bench. Okay. So, this ah green belt owns. Okay. And we'll have a conservation restriction. This parcel is going to go to Palazola. Mhm. And these two parcels are going to come to
green. Ah. So So then the conservation restriction will cover. Okay. All of this. Okay. And and so so these two are the those are going to come to
Yeah. And please show would anyone else care? That is better than this green belt. Y this parcel is this little bit that's next to their yard. This is going to go to these
parcels are going to green belt all of right there. Yeah, their house is right there. Thank you. That's I sorry for the unclarity of that plan. You take something large and then
reduce it a lot and then Yes. Yeah. It's a little tough. And I I didn't realize it was three, four fairly small pieces rather than any of the larger pieces. Okay.
Thank you. Other questions? All right. Then I will make a motion that the select board approve and sign the grant of conservation restriction for the property located at 22 Forest Lane. Second.
Jeff, yes. Brian, yes. Kathy, yes. Ann says yes. And John, yes. Okay. Thank you all. Thank you very much for coming. know what we're talking about once we're talking. So Chris, just before you go, just
important date um the funds so we have that check ready for Thursday and I it likely will be later than that by the time we get the the everyone's signatures back to the state and the secretary signs and gets back but Okay. So that we're ready. Yeah. So you want
us to hold on to that until you're ready? Why don't you hold on to it until we have the fully executed conservation restrictions? So when we have the conservation commission's signatures notorized and select board's signatures notorized, you can send me a scan of that document that I can send to the state. Yeah,
that's okay. Thank you. The next item are the committee interviews. As you know, Donna has a conflict. Um, so we will see her in two
weeks. And Woody Kelly is here. And Woody, I'm going to just interrupt a little bit. She does It's complicated. Um, there is, let's see if I can actually reconstruct this. Um, we are missing
someone. The the CPA is CPC is missing someone from um the land or from the Yeah. from the housing. Housing authority. But there is somebody from the housing authority
who's on as a general member. Correct. And if the housing authority doesn't have another person, then Joanne can move from the general to the housing and then
there is a general slot open. Um otherwise the open slot currently is Jack Burks and Jack would like to be return um reappointed. He's been chairman for several years. He's very
conscientious. Um so um so we have an opening. We we not the right kind of opening. The official opening is from the housing. Okay. But we do have an opening. It's just a little bit of musical chairs as to Yes,
Jack Jack is up for reappoint. His term is up. Okay. So, he's up for reappoint, right? Um, so but but your vacancy is because of Beth Heisy stepping down. Oh, yes, they moved. They're in process of
moving. So, she's after decades of town service is moving. But the housing authority has to officially appoint her to Joanne CPA to be their rep. To be their rep. Yes. And so they have to have a meeting to do
that. And then we know we have two openings. Well Well and No, you have one opening and one reappoint. Yeah. Well, yes. Okay. Right. Two slots. So do we have to wait until they Yeah. move
that before I think it's fine to conduct the interview this evening. Yeah. Okay. But I I would hold off making a official note until those dominoes fall. When does the housing authority meet next? Uh sometime in June. I don't I don't
know. I don't know when. Okay. What they generally do is ask and volunteer to give us a word or two about qualifications and ambitions. Well, I started uh
Why don't you start by giving us your name and address just because we have it? We have it. I'm sorry. Woody Kerry. Mhm. 11C the planes. Um I started found myself at the Arnold
Arboritum in 1999 for a lecture of the introduction of the CPA. by uh Whitney
Hatch and uh Axel Magnus was with me. Coincidentally, we found each other there and it was absolutely fascinating to listen to this this new entity that took the legislature 15 years to
create. Um so I came rushing back to town with Axel And I found two loyal friends who were co-chairs of the conservation commission because we
needed in order to work on creating a CPC. You had to create a CPC ballot committee legally. Mhm. So, um I asked
uh George Smith and Tom Walker, co-chairs of the conservation commission to sort of create a space for us in as a ballot
committee. But it took us five and a half years to get the CPA passed. at half a percent. But so I've been involved for a long
time and then after that I became chair once or twice. I think at one point I was vice chair under Axel. But anyway, I have had a long history, including two uh not so long ago
retirements from the CPC because of some of your um rulings that you wanted new people. But tonight uh uh John uh Jack Burke has asked me would
I be available and I said of course questions. What do you mean your reputation precedes you? That's that's a good thing. You mean the good one? The good Woody. Yes. No. So I I I don't have any questions. you're a a
well-known entity, especially with regard to the CPC and the CPA in terms of your instrumental involvement in getting it created and it's done a lot of good things here in town. And I thank you for that.
Um I I obviously you're very well more than well qualified for the role. So thank you again for being willing to serve. I just have a logistics question again if so the vacancy is because Beth Heisy the housing authority
rep is has moved so that's the opening the housing authority will move who Joan McDonald McDonald Joan McDonald Okay so she's the atlarge I saw two atlarge and I was trying to figure out okay yeah got
it done thank you for being welld deserved. Do you have any questions? No, I've got a question. Obviously, you must speak to the chair at some point. Numerous phone calls. Yes. Uh and the
chairman Becky Jakes. Any other time, please? I'm good. Yeah. Uh no, I'm good. Uh thank you for all your previous work and your interest to continue on. Yeah. I hope we can get everything kind of
slid together. Should fit. Uh Jack is quite confident. Okay. That it'll work out. Yeah, it's great. But I think I think we need to hold off until we see how all of the pieces are in fact aligned and and thank
you again for I was told to show up tonight and be interviewed. So here I am. And you've been interviewed. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And hope we will see you often.
Thanks. Nice to see you. Okay. Yep. So, I'm through. You're through. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thanks, Peter. Okay. The next item is the alcohol license change for 35B.
Okay. Any discussion? Oh, it's me. Okay. All right. Um, I move that the select board approves the change of manager application for 35 beach. Second discussion. Brian.
No. Jeff, yes. Kathy, yes. And says yes, John. John, yes. Okay. Um, next is the uh facility planning committee charge.
Um, and I have one small change um that I would like to see in the second paragraph after the health
members. Um, the facility committee work to implement projects discussed in the facility master plan and others. There are things that we are doing that are not in facilities master plan that I
including a harbor master's office and I think a senior center. Sure. And those are not in the No, no, they're not. No, they're not. Um and and just so that they are not restricted to the parameters in the facility. Sure. I I
have a general question because I had a question along those lines too and like where do you draw the line? Well, the charter needs this this charge needs to draw the line. Yeah. You know, because you can go right down to I mean, I was just looking through the capital plan or
the capital expense line for uh what we voted this past April. I mean, there's stuff that could go in there. I'm not talking tasers, but there are repairs uh like the library windows. Does that wind up here? That's a DPW that stays in the room. That's operational. That so that
But where where does that how do they draw that line? That's going to have to be bath house. So, so, so in that example, I would call those windows uh really a maintenance repair. Yes. Item. It's not a
new facility or or a major renovation. It's not a new facility, but I mean to go back to the library, they really have some basement issues. There may be some sort of a heating system that has to get involved. I mean at a board level though I don't I I don't think we should be
engaged. No, we aren't. And well, I mean the committee that we appoint. Yeah. So the focus really should be on the the big major expenses. I agree with that. I I think it has to be left to them to decide what are we
going to look at and what do we dollar million to it and I think I think DPW could could guide the committee pretty well on that. Yeah, Chuck has his hand effect. Yeah. Well, I was just going to say that, you know, I think you guys are on the right track. You know, it's the
major facility master plan and major stuff, but I think it's pretty the the idea of having somebody from select board, fin uh planning board and concom is because they all have typically some sort of jurisdictional kind of influence
on these projects, all four of them. So at a minimum I would say three out of the four must have some other you know voting authorization over over the project in general anyway. So like library windows none of you really I
mean obviously there's town meeting and getting all the warrant and talking about it at FinCon but that's like our general process. These are much bigger projects where there will be a you know presentations and um you know overall
overall projects that will be going you know to these boards formally. So I think that's kind of the distinction I draw in my mind is you know um all of these kind of you know you talk you mentioned the uh harbor master office I mean that's going to be very much a
planning board select board fin uh concom like that's so that that's definitely where we want to see this committee spend its time. So, in order to address Ann's um additional phrasing, do we want to put something in there
about, you know, other projects requiring some sort of um board level approval approval by more than one board? You know, something Greg, I don't know if you can I don't know. I'm looking at even at a high enough level that we're not micromanaging team like Ocean Street. I
mean I think it should also be well I I would say Ocean Street's not really a facility so I don't think that it would be be part of this we are trying to keep it somewhat you know focused on buildings and decision for buildings I think the you know what you're getting
at John is large capital expenses but we have a finance committee to kind of work through that with I think what Chuck is looking for is you know to an efficient way to get it through these major facilities or renovations through the boards that are going to have to approve
them anyway, right? And by bringing representatives together, um hopefully that process would be faster. We'll rely on the judgment of the committee to decide what's going on and the projects that are big. Well, we're going to know about them anyway. Yeah, you right. And I think it would be something to the
effect of, you know, as determined by, you know, what Ann said was fine, but also as determined by, you know, DPW and town administrator or select board, you know, however you want to phrase it. But, you know, we will try to alleviate nitpicking every last final
detail, right, on projects that really aren't on the purview of the committee. I'm okay with your wording. Okay. Um, how about leaving out the facility's major plan and just saying um will
just major projects um implement major building projects? Yeah, say major building project that keeps it simple. Okay. kind of qualitative but I think okay and major building they will work to
implement the major building to implement major building projects. Okay. The um the item that I didn't see covered in the charge and and maybe I'm
not seeing it and it's here but um you know I think of the other task force that we set up you know the MBTA 3A etc. And that I know is a task force and we're doing a committee here, but wouldn't one of the responsibilities here be public engagement in this process? Did we I didn't quite see that
in the charge unless I just read it too fast and missed it, you know, because we want them to we're going to I think the atlarge members that'll be nice, but that's not enough to, you know, engage the public engage the
public and make sure we we hear their feedback. Um, yeah, it's not specifically mentioned, but Right. Yeah, perhaps it should. So in the list of offer preliminary design, streamline the
review process. Um perhaps between before streamline the review process um solicit public input. Um solicit and and they may need to hold a public forum
or you know I'm not sure what the right phrasing is. It's hearing or forum or it'd be forums. public forum. Engage and inform the public. Yes. Something like that. Yeah. Okay. Engage and inform the public. Um, and I think the only other thing we
had talked about, but I don't remember what we decided, but we talked about some since this wasn't going to be a task force and and it was desired that it be a committee. We talked about some type
of say term limits or you know um especially for you know the atlarge members are we going to allow people to be on these committees for you know 10 16 years or do we want to have so again I think typically you you appoint someone for three years
but you might want to stagger the initial appointment yeah but they'd be subject to the same and then you have your general policy of committees So, I didn't see the staggering of the Is it in? Yeah, it was there somewhere.
Okay, maybe I'm sorry. Might have been in the uh It was in the original email document. Yeah, I'm just looking at this one page. Yeah. And and um that's sort of operationally. Yeah, that's okay.
This will be the charge. We can take it make a separate operational how we get this boot up booted up and okay who's a one year and who's a twoyear initial how long the terms are the initial email says the typical three-year appointment will be utilized with initial
appointments having staggered okay staggered terms but I think that doesn't need to be part of the charge but no the okay so with the correction from going from master
plan um to implement major building projects and the addition of a line about engage and inform the public. Is this a charge that we can support? Yes.
I will um make a motion. I move that the board approve the charge as amended um as we just amended for the facility planning committee. Second job. Yes. Yes. Kathy. Yes. Brian.
Yes. Yes. Thank you. Okay. So, the timing on setting that up then um it's Yeah. Yeah. as you know we should advertise the at large get that out on the street and and and let the various committees know that we're contact Yeah.
Exactly. And um I mean I am interested in supporting this committee for the select board. I do have a background um that I can leverage um and happy to do that. Great. Welcome to yet another committee. There
you go. Thank you. Okay. Next is supply policy. Um had a question. Yep. Uh there isn't a lot of specificity, I don't think, in our policy statement
about the fact that the flag pole out there on the sidewalk in the common is the town flag pole. We say in general there are town flag poles. Well, the commemorative is for the commemorative. Yes, for commemorative. I think that's why I was going to note. I thought we
wanted to designate that. Well, that's correct. Zary, you're the one that want to keep on calling the town. T O W N Es. Okay, that was a comment, but if that had been spelled T O W N E, there would be no confusion.
But I I looked back at the minutes of May 5th and May 19th, and in May 5th, we discussed flag protocol discussion, and we did say designating a specific flag pole for commemorative flags. We didn't say what flag pole. We just said a specific flag
pole. And then in the following meeting at a motion that uh Kathy had made, we said and to approve applying the LGBTQ pride flag on the town flag pole nearest Central Street. So that makes a suggestion. There are lots of town flag polls. We want to do the town flag pole
next to Central Street. Well, I think we ought to just say, okay, our policy where his word says commemorative flags consistent with uh mission and priorities um commemorative flags shall be flown on
the pole closest to Central Street. Yeah. At the at the edge of the commoner. I'm not going to use the term town flag pole. Don't use it because we have lots of town flags. Yeah. No, you can't. But I think you need to say that the commemorative flags will be flown on that flag pole. Just a oneliner. Yep.
Yep. So that everybody knows that's the deal. Otherwise, every time we fly a commemorative flag, we have to right. I don't want to say that we'll take down the the American flag necessarily. I think that's something
that's do. So I have been contacted by several residents that have a concern that the American flag is not on there right now. Mhm. Not saying this is my position, but I'm relaying I was asked
to relay this to the board. So, um, so what that's going to be a casebycase basis or how are we going to handle that? I thought we discussed that anytime a commemorative flag was going to be flown in that pole, all of the
flags would be taken down. It doesn't say that here though. It doesn't say anything. Let's see. Um I know that in looking through and I I think I I made that point two two meetings ago and looking to see at the towns that did fly
commemorative flag polls on a commemorative on on on a um commemorative flags on a on a specific poll that the majority not an overwhelming majority but like 60 or 70% they would not fly the American flag. I think there's the um on coming off of
cabbat by the uh there's a Vietnam veterans memorial there with a couple of flag poles uh you take a right well to go up yeah the library yeah I believe that when there's only one flag on that flag not
every flag pole has to have the American flag I work for a global company we supported lots of countries okay and we had the big flag pole with the American American flag, the P flag, and there was like three other ones, you know, surrounding it with flags of other countries, you know, commemorative, you
know, things. So, every single flag pole did not have the American flag. And it's just a question having multiple flags. And I as I recall, but one of the reasons we did this was so we wouldn't have this controversy. Right. Exactly. Yes. And out there, I can tell you. Okay. And I and I can tell you, right?
No. And I totally understand. But the flag pole is not that tall, right? Yeah. And if you have a commemorative flag that is, you know, significant size, you're starting to get at half staff that that's a at half staff, even a
small town flag was too big and and was beating up the whites and I think that was part of our rationale. So the question is, do you want to I wouldn't codify that. I just leave it. Okay. Okay. And just make sure that the
flag pole is identified. That's it. Um, the other thing I didn't see in the policy, which I thought we had talked about when we first did this a couple years ago, was I thought the commemorative flags had to accompany a proclamation. Yes. Yes. Is that Did I
miss something? I didn't see that in Yeah, I did see that. Select board authorizes this display as an expression of the counts. Okay. Um, yeah, it says
right after one, two, three. One, two, three. Um, and it probably could say um it's it's the proclamation that we're approving and and the flag is a I don't think it goes under presents that should
paragraph you or or it would go under the commemorative flags paragraph. It should be another sentence. After commemorative flags in this policy, the term blah blah blah, select board chooses to honor or commemorate consistent with the town's mission and priorities. And we'll issue a proclamation. I think that one of the
reasons we did that was so we wouldn't deny flying a flag. Correct. Anyone's flag. That's right. That was how this whole thing started. Correct. It's government speech. You want You want to make it official government speech. proclamations make it that
official government speech. So I think that should be added to the I would put it at the end of that sentence and the commemorative flags paragraph where we say we choose to honor or commemorate consistent with town's mission that
really follows on mission and priorities or well or you could where it talks about government speech you could amend that sentence you know the select board would authorize the display commemorate flags as an expression of the town's official
government speech. Um uh yes, it could go there too. Has to be in there. I think right where the speech makes it very clear why the flag would be flown. It's the
approval of the proclamation. Okay. Do you have that Debbie? I Yeah, I was just listening. I I think we would like to see this one more time. Yeah. Um if we're as long as we're making changes
um since all three of the groups that in town that we would apply lower the flag for have the same duration, maybe just one bullet that has a list, right? and a current select board
member. For years anyway, I think you can make it. It'll help you. We'll get you there. Yeah. Yeah. considate.
I like the pressure. Um fine. Um and there's the word board is missing. Yeah. Okay. So, could we get a copy of this clean? It's going to
get a change. I haven't listened to it twice. That's the second glass of wine. Everybody, this seems like y Okay, the next is a discussion of a potential new board committee meeting
heating protocol. I think Brian, you want to move? Yeah, I uh I tried to uh get in on a uh Hong Kong meeting last two weeks ago. Yes, it was. And there
was a lot of uh it just they uh they couldn't get on they couldn't get uh which in and of itself made me start to think about the entire process is that I believe that on these
where we are adjudicating people's lives and you know okay that we shouldn't be hiding behind zoom calls people should be able to face uh the applicant the applicant should be
able to face uh any of the uh the neighbors that were weren't uh uh considering this and I just think that it's I don't know why it's the uh we have all these boards we all sit in here we all show up and I think that
that should be protocol for all uh committees and commissions and that's a clarifying question because I um the initial agenda item said all boards and committees but we have like seven or
eight adjudic but I think they're all well so here's the thing most of our boards and committees are just advisory and I am a little bit concerned like the downtown improvement they've been 100% and they're very effective and they it
allows other people to participate so I was just wondering if we take this step. Could we take a baby step and just say for the the committees that make decisions like you said, you know, could we institute a little for them and
audience was I didn't I didn't uh I went through a bunch of agendas uh on the website and I found the ones that I saw were all hybrid or in in person went through fields in person. Okay. Because they meet over there. Okay. I didn't see
one and I didn't get to the room there. And then I get to Codcom, okay, which is virtual. Now, what I had asked Steve Gang six months ago why he wasn't meeting in person with a
forum and the response was that it's more convenient. He's he says that Republicans find it's more convenient. I don't want to uh convenience over due process.
Okay. Uh so I think that that the concom as as important as a ZBA as a planning board as a select board we all manage to meet here in a room here in this room or that room uh talking once a month. we
all live in town. Uh and with the case of the ZVA or planes where applicants might be bringing consultants from out of town, a lot of times they'll zoom in. But I think it's important just like we're having this conversation back and
forth. Okay, there's something lost via Zoom. We we saw it during CO uh and I think that CO is in our rearview mirror. I don't want to revisit that at all. I understand that by going Zoom, we've opened up the door for a lot
of people to attend these meetings, but I think the core of the meetings should be out of the core. I had another question because you um talked about the chair and a quorum being here. Well, Ann goes on her trip. Look, like can she delegate a chair responsibility? Yeah.
I'm drunk when I'm the guy in August. Just the way it is called the meeting and you can still go on your trip. You can delegate that. The key is having a quorum whether it's the official chair or the elected chair or whatever or somebody else but you
have to have a quorum. Yeah. In the room. So let me play devil devot again. So what about um situation where it's just you know a nasty blizzard and in January and we don't really want to come downtown. I mean, do we want to make any
exceptions allowable for um reasons of, you know, weather or some other type of unforeseen event where we still could have the meeting, but you know, I'm just asking. I'm just What have we done before Zoom? Well, what I'm
saying, Brian, is Zoom. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying. But okay, the reason I'm saying posing the question is because Zoom opened people's eyes and some of the eyes have been open for 20 years because if you work for a
global company, you dealt with these types of meetings for a very long time. The issue is that with a volunteer force, you don't have the resources to properly train people to conduct these meetings efficiently. and everybody's just doing the best they can with the
technology and and managing that. So, I just I I I just I support what you're doing. I'm ready to agree to it, but I just would rather not throw everything out and say everybody's going to meet, you know, in person when we have some very effective committees um who are
100% virtual. Yeah. Horse trading with you. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm good. But I just like I said, I think I don't have the company if everybody shows up. I think that you do make a good point as far as bike and ped downtown
improvement. They're all volunteers. But I think that something is important where there's a lot of money involved. A lot of these people, okay, they deserve the right to be uh met and then if there's a weather condition, there's a good chance that no one's going to be
interested. They'll be That's fine. I just want they just cancel. I think the meetings have to be under those circumstances. So Debbie, we used to have a list of the adjudicatory committees um in a week. Do you have that? It was in we had that when we did the project
with Susan kind of look which we had to go through some finetuning there. Make sure we So I I want Debbie is the the um business process owner for that. I want to make sure we the gatekeeper. The gatekeeper. Yeah. We've got a list. Um, my only concern
the way this came up was that a meeting had to be cancelled because the Zoom couldn't be Yeah. Yes, it came up. But this is something that been bothering me for six months. Yeah, I understand that. My problem is that if we advertise the meeting as hybrid and we can't get the
Zoom to work, then the meeting has to be canceled anyway. Well, so that brings up a really good point, Ann, because I was going to ask, is there specific wording that we need to adjust to allow a meeting to take place even if there's no
Zoom? So, I think you just say it's in person, but have a Zoom link. You if you don't say it's hybrid, right? That's I I just want to make sure with the phrasing is legally clear. I can check with legal, but I think if you
If you position the Zoom feature as a convenience. Yes. Yes. We got to have the right language and make sure the town clerk when they post these things. That doesn't solve my problem. Um because the Zoom failures come up at
the last minute and the planning board has had a whole series of these and it seems to have stopped. But um if you discover at the last minute that your Zoom link isn't going to work, then you have people who expect to be
able to be here be involved and can't. Particularly true with the um uh Coming Board where they have outside consultants who plan to come in on Zoom, right? So, Greg, in your notes,
you said that if they were here in room five, they wouldn't have had the problem. Yeah. What does that mean? Well, because yeah, this machine would never kick you off u because of credentials. So, that was the problem they had. Actually, Chuck had she was
using a different computer and it didn't and Zoom our Zoom account didn't recognize Zoom account. They were using a Zoom account but on a different computer. Okay. And there was also some additional security that have been added to avoid some of the embarrassing interruptions
that we've had which required that they be a second permission and the second permission went to somebody who wasn't there. Okay. And I think I would rather watch some embarrassing footage than have a level of security that keeps
people from using the Zoom in room seven. So she's turned that feature at home. Okay. Um, so that doesn't require that second verification or find a second verification. No, we're not going to tie anybody to be available
to Right. Um, but again, you know, these these these two and these two are set up so that whenever you log on to Zoom, you're going to you're going to log in. It's going to recognize you. I do think
we need to, if we're leaning towards doing this, I do think just out of professional courtesy, we should be contacting these, you know, seven or eight adjudicatory committees and make sure we understand the impact of how
they're operating. I I spoke with Steve Gang. He's very happy with the way this works. Their um support person lives an hour away and It's much more
convenient for him or her not to have to drive in for the meeting. Um, any Jack. Hi everybody. Jack Burke, uh, CPC chair. Um, we've been meeting um, via Zoom.
case. Thank you very much, councelor. Rest Jack, we've lost your audio, but I gather that the the CPC has been meeting virtual. not affect.
Yeah, this would not affect I'm okay. I understand. You know, especially if you're planning board, you're looking at plan and then you and I can talk about things. Okay. But the plan, it may very well be that the people who are
presenting the plans are both understand because people who do that. So, so that's why I think we may need to get some input from these committees because we do want to reduce the likelihood of an actual meeting cancellation because
of something. Um, it's, you know, the technology is very helpful. We run into the same situation here. Okay. Uh, we're here. I I I you know,
like I said, I I've only been on the select board since I retired. And I gotta be honest with you, I had an hour and 15, hour and a half commute, okay, for my job. And getting here by 6:30 would have been not actually not too challenging on a Monday. Okay. If
you talk to me on a Wednesday or a Thursday, it's nasty depending on what you're coming from. So if you have consultants or other people, particular consultants are likely to have more than one I sat on think you should continue with
with the Zoom option. Right. And I'm not saying to to fix that. Exactly. I sat on the ZBA and 50% of the time applicants made a full presentation via Zoom. Okay. But the select board sat here. I mean the
ZBA was here. All right. We had questions. We could talk to each other, show things to each other. And if there was uh some people that were opposed to it, they may have been in the room. I want people to look us right in the eye.
Okay. I think that I said when I was running, I said I want to bring government back to the people. All right. And right now we're hiding behind. A lot of us are hiding. So that's my point. Chuck Chuck, can I be heard? Can you hear me now? Yes, now I
can hear you. They all sound the same. Yeah, I uh we meet we meet by Zoom only. We don't meet in person. I hope we wouldn't be forced to meet in person. If we do meet in person, I wouldn't do Zoom. I would just do meet in person. I
would not do hybrid. Um and we would lose our secretary who would not come to our meetings. Okay. Why would why wouldn't you do hybrid, Jack? Um, well, we we have terrible trouble with with with the technology already.
Um, and I guess if somebody else is willing to do it on my my committee uh fine, but we also meet some places other than rooms five and seven uh occasionally. And I don't know what that means. If uh uh we're meeting at Tux
Point, we've met at Crow Chapel, we've met at Seaside 1, we meet at 5:30 in the afternoon, that allows people to meet via Zoom that are working. Uh Muffin Driscoll sometime is still uh at Bishop
Fenwick Dean Hatis is still sometimes at his office. Uh it would necessitate us changing the time. Um getting a room is not easy. Um, I know Rosemary Costello, their their committee meets after us
sometimes. I see I see several conflicts with us moving forward if we were forced to uh meet in person and continue it as hybrid especially. Okay. But I I think right now we're talking about just adjudicatory. Yes.
Just adjudicatory. and I sit on the historic commission that Rosemary runs and I I I was head of that for a couple of years and we meet in person and in fact I can't remember an application that the applicant was not in person. So
the people that are virtual occasionally there is one or two people on the commission that are virtual but uh we're in person it we virtually always have a a quorum and the secretary is virtual most of the time. Another just another
thing to keep in mind as a matter of um practice all inerson meetings or all Zoom meetings are the easiest ones to manage when you have a hybrid situation. They are the most difficult to manage. Um and I used to do this for really big
teams. The hybrid meetings were the worst to manage because you have to make sure the people on the Zoom are heard. Sometimes you need to assign a buddy, you know. So, I I just think that um if we just focus on the decision- making
meetings, you know, talk to those other committees, make sure we just talk to all of them and make sure we're not hurting I don't I no problem doing that as a big step first. I think the decision makers I think probably Chuck speaking of having to
manage and and thank you Greg for watching these things and letting us know that we missing something. Chuck please. Uh I was just going to say in in Wom they actually do the what you're talking about where the in-person people
are um you know there but they also give leave the Zoom as just a courtesy to the public. And so that's I think how they you know make sure that they don't have to cancel the meeting. And I would just say, you know, as a as a point for, you know, these adjudicator adjudicatory boards that are, you know, managing if
the if the Zoom doesn't work for whatever reason, like that that meeting the other night with Concom like I was planning on being in the room, I would have still been able to speak to our, you know, our project, you know, like and so it wouldn't have cost us on that front. like maybe yeah my consultant
wouldn't have been able to you know do the share screen zoom part of it but I don't think I would have needed that you know I could have still done my part so maybe maybe it does mean that some parts of the uh meeting get continued for whatever reason but like I think you could also get a lot of business done
without you know as long as you have that option of in person we're here we're doing the doing the core meeting stuff and if we you know if some people can't zoom in then they can't zoom in but um you know the idea is that they would be allowed to but just if there's some failure. So I think I think it
makes a lot of sense. I disagree that if a meeting is advertised as hybrid and somebody wants to join and can't join and doesn't find out until the last minute it is the opposite of transparency. So change the
uh well that's what I'm saying. If if you're saying in your meeting that it's a in-person meeting, but that it will be shown on Zoom as a courtesy, you know, then that the expectation is that that's a it's a courtesy. We tried. We're not trying to, you know, cancel the Zoom. It just sometimes think happens. I think
it's worth Greg going back to council to check on the the legal language as to how we would want to post the meetings to make it clear that it's an in-person meeting, but we'll kind of do our best
um to either record it or make it available via Zoom. I I would come more comfortable with recording it and saying you can't watch it live. Yeah. which is say that again that the meeting would be
recorded but not available live. So if if the Zoom failed, we'd still have a recording, I guess. Well, we could have we'd have an audio. We'd be hard press of a Yeah. video a
video of it. That's okay. I mean, do check. It's just to run a global. I should I am just phone calls very uncomfortable with restricting what we're currently looking to what Chuck did in town Wednesday. Yeah, I'm okay
with Chuck's comments on that. It's just about whatever the language is to make it clear to people. We'll do our best, but Okay. But but if somebody has a consultant that want this, that's then they might have to plan. And if somebody has a strong opinion that they definitely want to be
heard, it's in your best interest to show up, you know, otherwise if you're just listening in because you're an interested party and and things are recorded anyway. I mean minutes are out there allegedly within two weeks. No. Yeah, they are. But if the Zoom is the
Zoom fails, then we're not necessarily remember recording. Okay. Because we rely on Zoom for the Yeah. And the minutes are you still have your hand up. Yeah. Yes. Uh one more comment. Uh nobody's ever nobody from the public has ever come to a CPC
meeting ever. Um the the only people who come to our meetings are those who put applications in who want money and uh we're happy to have it that way. We have a public hearing every September that we advertise for two weeks in the Cricut. Not one person in the last 10 years has
ever come to it other than people from boards and committees that are looking to put an application in. So I would hope our committee would not be one that you would force to sit and have a in-person and hybrid meeting meeting. That's probably true of the other not
just advisory meeting record and that's that's a hybrid. Okay. Uh other than when we had some real controversy no one wants to join the pickup. Okay.
That was a control room. All right. that those people because it was important chose to be there. Okay. What shall we do? Um I think we need to contact the adjudicator boards
ask for their comments. Um would you like to write a policy? Yeah. Policy. Is it an update, Greg? Would it be an update to some existing policy or would it be a new policy? It's really a new we don't have a formal
policy. We didn't do anything about policies during CO or after. So this is we've been we've been relying on state temporary permissions. This is all right. So I'll do my I'll do my homework. Thank
you. Great. Um, I knew I was gonna go. You do such good writing. I got the next is beach parking. Greg,
what do we do? What can we do? So, as I say, a few options. we could pursue working with the school and seeing I think they'd be amendable to having a lot used on weekends. There may be one or two
weekends that are blacked out if there's a big event happening at the school that weekend. Labor Day weekend comes to um I don't know if um both schools would be used but so certainly could pursue that and
talk to the scouts to see what their interest Yeah. is in helping continuing you know relocating basically. Uh uh you know there are potentially a couple of other options in
town and it might not work every weekend but parking behind the Legion might might be a cost of a share of fundraising that might be attractive. Yeah, it would be. Has that ever been uh explored? Well, the problem is if they
have a function, I understand that, but if if they don't have anything going on, I mean, that's probably good for what 30 40 cars. 30 cars and they would put a sandwich board out by, you know, seaside one as they teach
parking that way and people would see what's 50 cars. Well, actually, I mean, we're also going to be discussing the on the consent agenda is the liberty license rating. Will they be able to Well,
that's go back and forth to the school lot. You know, that that's critical for for the Legion, you don't need that, but the school lot, that's that's just too far. And how did the beach bums? No, they came up out of them near Pine Street. Don't. Yeah. But I mean, how do
they tooling all over town? They're tooling all over town. Yeah. How do they are they just flagged down or do they have a contact? I think they uh it's a fairly defined area. They train station and then right by Captain Dusty's. Yeah, they were in Captain
Dusty. So, they kind of like flagged down like a cab in New York City. They kind of just stop and people get on and they take the parking spot. All right. See, if there's a if there's a space, if you use parking at the high school, you have to have some way of contacting them. I'm standing here. I'm a mile and a half from the beach. Unless they're
just going to do a road, you know, that's that's like the Rockport. Yeah, that's usually what they I think the first I'm concerned that the boy scouts or the scouts won't be interested in trying to compete with the
40 beach, which I believe Tonkio said that they have hired someone to run that lot. Yeah. At what price? I didn't think well if it's under $40 is
$45. It's $45 [Music] and um it that that is a relevant question. Well, we don't have anyone to ask. Yeah. The I know that a couple of years ago there was talk about
putting muse in beach. obviously never did anything about it. But if you're at Dunkin Donuts, you see people parking there and they're just unpacking their cars
with community. They don't really care. Uh and then remember the days when they used to tow it? Uh used to be the Crosby used to have someone sitting outside. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so apparently people don't really care what they do
with their cars and how much it's going to cost to get to the beach. So, are we clear that that the people at 40 Beach are going to be running a Nothing's going on yet, right? Nothing yet. They he he had told me that yes,
they're just getting it together. Okay. So, we're not going to lose any beach park. No, that's that's the key is we're not losing people. That's why I brought it up at the last meeting because I thought we were losing 25 spaces. Somebody else is going to run it then we're not losing spaces
and the beach is pretty crowded anyway. So, well, and you know, I'm curious what the scouts what they see from a market perspective on a really nice day. Are they just turning away one car after another or Well, I'm sure they are.
Yeah. When it gets full, it's full. And it's all weather driven. Correct. Yeah. So, the Boy Scouts are really Yep. Yeah. They're in typical position. They're losing twothirds of Well, can we explore
the Legion thing? I'm curious about that. I can talk to somebody. Yeah. and see. We understand it would not be and I don't know if the scouts would be interested. Maybe the scouts the first people you got to ask say, "Hey, I'm sure they're interested to make money." I mean, but it's going to be what kind
of deal. The problem with the Legion is it's you're going to be working around their summer events. Yes. It's not going to be every Saturday. It's just it's mostly on weekends. Do they nor are there summer events normally in the evenings or mostly during the day or
it's a crap shoot like a wedding wedding be during the day? These riders usually take off once or twice Saturdays and they should have their schedule pretty it's worth a Yeah. I mean I mean half of
the dates are open. Yeah. And they're looking to make some money. Yeah. Every little bit helps, you know. Okay. I think we need to we need to know that and then find out if the discuss would be interested on a you know halftime sort of thing
or if they're interested in doing something at the school that the school has to tie in with a with a golf cart less so than I mean if people drive up let everybody out all over here send the driver and the car back send the driver and the car back over. Still, it's a
long way. You have somebody who's have somebody who's just sit there all day long. Becomes a target-rich environment for Uber driving. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and we we're doing that now with
Boers, right? A lot of out of town boers. Yeah. They'll load and then go park satellite and then figure out how to get back here. Jackhead, Jack. Here we go. Okay. Um
Who knows the Boy Scouts? I know the Boy Scouts. Okay. I can ask them and say we're exploring both two two possibilities. What are your thoughts? Yeah. Y check with the Legion. Yeah. Send me shoot me an email or something.
What do you find? Can you hear me now? Very good. You can't hear me. A little institutional. I was chairman of the parking committee 10 years ago. We we approached the school. We approached the Legion and neither were interested at that time in doing anything. The Legion
felt that they wanted the parking to be open for their members at all time. Their bar opens at 3:00 in the afternoon on Saturdays and Sundays and they did not want wanted there to be any problem at all. Um uh that was their and that
was their um their thoughts at that time. And the school the school did not respond uh at all to any requests and and uh Todd Fitzgerald and I did keep an eye on the school. On the 90°ree days there would probably be 30 or 40 cars parked up at the high school but on 70°
75 degree weekend days there was nobody there. Thank you. I think the school has been more receptive but I understand the problem of it's a long way if it's not a great beach day. Yeah. I I have seen
people when I used to play tennis. I know that sounds funny. Uh at the uh high school at Memorial. Yeah. Right. On Sunday morning, you'd see people packing on Lincoln. Yeah. Okay. Unloading their cars and making
that track. If people want to go to the beach, they're going to go to the beach. I don't need to go to the beach that I like to drive by these people, laugh at them, and then I see a cloud and I get in my car and I leave. I'm more insulted by the fact they're stealing parking spaces for tennis
players. Okay. So, what we're doing about beach parking is John, you're going to talk to I'm going to talk to scouts and see if there's see if they're interested in some alternate locations. and Jeff, you're going to talk to the Legion and I
will get in touch with with the schools and see if they're willing to do something. And the goal of this is partly to provide beach parking, but mostly to provide some income for the Boy Scouts, I think.
Yeah. Okay. Um the special events permit to include waterfront events It seems to say that any event it's not usually
scheduled in the harbor waterways has to go through the whole event and that worries me with the cardboard boat. It also well I'm not sure if you guys aware the new um Archbishop of Boston is doing a tour
of local harbors. Are you guys aware of that? Okay. Starting January just two boats. Just two boats. But they're starting in Gloucester Manchester. Yeah. Beverly Salem ending in Winthrop on Saturday and then on the
Sunday they'll do um Boston. Yeah. in Boston, just a bunch of Boston ports. So, is that sound like you know about it? That's good. But would that fall into this poll of thing? What is this like? Uh is this a giant parade or is this like two or three? It's just
two votes, couple of votes and and inviting the parish to go what is the definition the policy, right? And right so you either try to you try to more narrowly define it or you leave it up to the discretion of and it's not the
boats. It's the people on the land that want to come down. It's not the boats. It's the harbor department that wants this to happen. They can come up with a definition. Yeah. I I thought we were talking about onwater events as opposed to water. Well
on water we talked about walk across. Yeah. But I think we're tying it into our whole regular offense situation, which is fairly rigorous. Yes, it is.
And the I mean, it seems to fit, but I I do understand the the high school um sailing teams use the harbor and it's irregular. What does uh the yacht club when they have their races, they do anything? No.
Well, they're out in the ocean. Well, they part of the harbor. Yeah, they leave from the harbor. I suspect the harbor goes to the And I assume they they don't talk any They just say, "Hey, we're organized this time and the people come down, get their boats going." And so maybe that would follow under some
kind of annual event. Well, the problem is I mean, the policy could specifically exempt Yeah. races. And uh Brian, what happens with the uh cardboard boat race as far as what we who do you contact with that? There's no formal thing. Contact uh probably the
police because you got a boat up here. Uh and Chuck. Yeah, that's it. That's it. And then fire department. No, because they have a boat. They had a boat in the water. Okay. But they don't have a safety role per se. The police have uh Mike McKin's out there on a safety boat. Okay. And I think he does
because he enjoys the weather. So he has that. Yeah. Someone's gonna dig you up in a water. I go, you never seem to get beyond that, folks. So, it's it's really police. I'm only going to paddle this far. That's police and bio. That's it. Yeah. Okay. And and
ambulance, EMS. Yeah. But will they ever contacted for the cardboard boat race? Not yet. I don't know. So, what it requires is a written safety plan 60 days in advance public. I I just
think it's it's a lot. It's overkill for the kind of things that and I would like to send it back to where advis you um if you're going to send it back to him though I think there should be some
guidance some kind of guidance what are we trying to accomplish because this keeps going back and forth and we're not we're not getting we're not connecting we're not getting anyway We start at one place and then we'll tighten it really really tight and now we're saying it's too tight and now
we're trying what problem are we trying to solve? I think the problem we're trying to solve is when an unexpected large when a large number of boats uh we're over where our harbor is over
capacity um and it creates an unsafe situation. Is that what we're trying to solve? Yeah. Obviously, this all stems from the parties at Sand Valley, right? That's what triggered all this. So, here's a question. They got a Coast Guard permit, right, for that. I don't
think the birthday party got a Coast Guard. I'm wondering if I'm wondering if that can be kind of a trigger if you got if if you're getting a Coast Guard because you can put this together, but nobody's going to know anything about it unless there's some sort of trigger that
drives them in this direction. That's a good point. I mean, okay. Can we The postcard kind of just gives up or they didn't Oh, well, that's okay with us. Yeah, because it's still our judgment. Yeah. I mean, if they're giving it out without much energy, but nonetheless,
right, that's a trigger that Yeah, I understand. So, any event that would require a permit. Yeah. Let's see how that trigger. That's what these three pages we just cleaned up. Exactly. Next.
Keep it simple. So you send that back to them with that recommendation. Yeah. Yeah. And and so where's that leave the pope or the archbishop on the side of the road? Anyway, let's just get two boats. Two boats. I I know
from a water perspective, it's it's not an event. It's a non-event. Okay. Okay. It's like it's not like an event. No. Yeah. Yeah. That's what this event it's. something that um impacts the normal usage of the parks and that's what these
event permits are for that that event you know won't stop anybody from going to Masco or re park what they norally Okay. Evening.
Um is on base. Uh yes. Um wayfinding signs. They're going to be here this week. I'm not saying they're going to be up this week. They would have been here last week or two weeks ago. The challenge is I guess there is a wayfinding sign for the
bathroom here, which is going to be a fancy sign. It's going to have the rotunda, etc., and say bathroom this way, etc. So, they decided to wait for that and they so they did them all together. That was just one addition sign. Guess there's only a bathroom that is the only sign that is going to be the
wayfinding sign is the is the one for the bathroom here. Yeah, there will be a similar type of fancy sign for the Dunkin Donuts. That's just a kind of deal. Yeah. Yeah. So, that will happen. Um I guess they should be up
next week. Certainly before our meeting before our meeting next time. uh Council on Aging. Uh June is a is is kind of a an important month with regard to their money raising group which is a company
called Kinetics along with Susan Beckman. And they will be surveying probably 150 folks here in town. They've got quite a list of folks that they will go through. 40 or 50 of them in person and another 150 an online survey with all of the typical questions you would
ask about uh financing campaign and that's going to be happening uh through June and the individual interviews are going to be June 16th to 26 and they'll pull all of that together and put together a uh a
final arrangement. They already have put together a brochure that tells the story and it's probably 90% of the way there but the um the survey will go the rest of the way. Well, that's that's underway, but this is the the official money raising
initiative will be uh will start in September in a regular way. And um historic district commission has its meeting on cargo on
Thursday, sure to be a rather well attended meeting here in this room. And today this is their suggested building which is really um set back about about 10 ft or so from the street but the
parking is in back and in the house in in the in the structure from the back. The parking is not in front. The uh first floors will be hybrid. It could be go for uh that's not what the drawings say right now. They're could go the renderings I was just
shown. Uh they could be used as office. It could be. Yes. You know, professional offices. So be retail. Well, I don't know. They they my understanding is they don't want to limit anything that go in there. They're
trying to they've listened. Okay. They're trying to keep all of the they want to keep all the options, but at some point they have to do what's financially uh prudent for them, too. But I think they've heard I think the design is great. The design it looks it looks very
good and they really did their homework. They looked at all the houses and say this is the design we've got which is uh you know gable roof there and I think it looks like it's been there forever. Yeah. So anyway, that meeting is is here on
Thursday evening. What time is it? Six. Yes. Six. Thursday night. It's already there. It's like a World War II puck early. So,
um, that's it for me. Nothing. Um, so I think I mentioned previously that the downtown improvement committee had partnered with um, Jim Brown and the chamber to develop a commercial realtor outreach package. So I think I'm not
sure if they've actually started to use it yet, but if you're interested, I can get you a copy just so you know what's going on. I think it'd be just for the best select word to see that. um bikin um one of the projects they uh want to embark on, they're going to contact Mark
Resnik, um Greg, because they want to meet with him and Concom to get guidance on an accessibility project for an accessible trail in the Powder House area off Pine Street.
Um, I would caution Mark to I I've already cautioned this team, be careful here. Um, he needs to do a lot of homework and I would strongly urge him to Google the town of Andover and what they are going through now because what
one person's definition of accessible is not the same as somebody else's. So Andover is paving putting a paved path around in a wooded trail. Um happens to be near the town water supplies. That's one reason people aren't happy about it.
But there are other people with um disabilities who are saying the pavement makes it less accessible to them. This is a hornets's nest. Okay. So, I would just they're going to go to Mark and get guidance, but I would really urge him to
do his homework on this because it is it is a disaster in that other town right now. I don't know where the Andover things. So, this is a trail that would come in from Pine Street. Uh yeah. And you wanted to talk about the parking, right? That all play a little
bit. It might be tied into it. So, again, one person's definition of accessible is not the same. Is this really taking one of the trails? Because there are several trails from Pine Street, but they are purely trails. They are trails. Yes. No. You know, even a bicycle doesn't make sense on any of
these, but No, there's a lot of hilly stuff. So, they were thinking about the one closer, I think, to Newport Park, u which is fairly flat. You know, I bought that. Yeah. It's short. Um Okay. But like I said, one I what I learned is one person's definition of accessible is not
the same and he needs to be very careful. Could they be talking with the ADA? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I'll mention that to them again. But I just sounds easy. Accessibility is good, but when the definitions are different. Yes.
So anyway, that's that. Uh and wreck. Uh according to Ms. Marshall, beach opening was a nice soft opening. I think they have they even opened yet? I don't know. I wasn't around last week. Oh, yeah. I wasn't around last weekend, but right, uh,
nominations for the grand marshall are due by Friday, the parade. And then, uh, something that came up great while you were gone, is uh, in top discussion with uh, Cheryl
and Chuck, we're talking about uh, looking at putting Starlink at the bat house. It's a great idea. Okay. Very easy. Uh Chuck says it's really really easy. It's very easy and it'll cost efficient. What we found
what what started this whole thing was a a morning coffee that we had with the chiefs last month when u Jake said that the uh fire apparatus lose Wi-Fi at saf.
Uh so that became public safety issue. uh contacted Verizon and then checks at Starland. Yeah. And what we're gonna initially do, I think, is just look for town staff in the canteen. Uh and then if uh so it' be a
uh it won't be open to the public at this point. We'll find Well, I think that'll be the first step is to make sure we can service the town staff. Uh and you maybe use it for more automated payment systems. I mean, it opens up a lot of the technology. I know that uh Cap Dusty's who runs the canteen and
it's frustrating for them at some point they'll start to buffer. They have to unplug the Wi-Fi and go to a hot spot. Okay. Well, they're trying to process on a busy hot summer day. So, my understanding is uh that uh and I I don't want to speak for Chuck who's
still there, but uh talk with something that might happen this week. Great. And I think that No, that'd be great. Just as a thought though, you know, you might not ever want to open it up to the public because when I was working, I would go to Singing Beach on a Saturday
and say, "Sorry guys, I couldn't get my email. I'm going to the beach." You know, I'm I'm not reachable all day. They don't have to know. They don't have to know that. You know, I would tell people I'm going to the beach and there is no service there. So, you won't find me. What time dot dot dot I'm just
saying? years about 15 years ago I was unemployed and I'm on the beach and I got a phone call from unemployment right and it was spotty uh heard seagull background spotty is bet all I could hear was the crashing and said oh it sounds like you're in a lot of traffic
yeah that [Music] uh but I think that it's it's a big first step and then we can decide I mean first how it works and then if you want to expand it If I were on recreation end, we've got
to get ready for July 4th. Oh, do you want me to go buy the candy, you guess? Yeah. I forgot 20 pound. What was it? Forget how many. I don't know. But we need a lot more flex. Yep. We we we actually got the Pine Street this past year. We
did before. We didn't. Okay. So, I I think you got to get over two 2500 flags. Okay. I think we had 1500 the last time. Was it 15? I don't remember what I bought last year. If you can tell me what I bought. I don't know how the candy did. It was
It was I don't I wasn't here. It was very embarrassing downtown. Ton of people there and we got nothing. Oh, no candy. Okay. I don't think I remember any candy at all. There's always been flags. Oh, we're we're dealing with flags.
Your granddaughter is older. The cut candy is being handed out a little more evenly. I think she's understanding what's going on. Although my son is now lobbying for my grandson who's two years younger, but I think we'll stay with my granddaughter.
She's she's she's now she's now gu she's now kindergarten. So it it Yes. What if she get 30 pounds of 30 pounds of candy and and I will get 25. But I'm not saying that those among us are disciplined enough to understand.
Let's do 500 flags for this block and then 500 for that flag. We got to keep going like we just do that. So I don't care if it's not election year. So why talk about July 4th? So the red, white, and blue is the Saturday before
Yes. Uh that's in June 8th. I think it is the Saturday before the 4th. Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. About as early. Would they have it on July 4th? If July 4th were Saturday, would they have it on the June 28th?
That's too. Yeah. They'll have the week before because there's too much stuff going on. So, I mean that's happened to us. Yeah. Has to at least once. Yeah. You can't conflict with all stuff. Okay. Okay. Um Jeff, would you going
back to Leaison? Yeah. I just have a quick Essex Tech update that that the state has decided to go to a lottery admission system that they've been talking about for a while. They're saying it's going to be some sort of a weighted
lottery, which I'm not really sure what the parameters of that are going to be. It's still in the works, I guess. Um, but what I was told by an administrator friend of mine at another
tech school is that we can um advocate Desi for a certain amount of seats. So, I'm not sure if that's something I have to do as a representative or I'm going to end up doing through the school, but
um I'm going to be up there next week, so hopefully I'll have some more information. But I just wanted to because now that was happen and is my understanding they're repealing it though the text they've Yeah I don't it's Yeah. But it's not going to happen.
Yeah. What's the uh kind of what's the acceptance rate? In other words, how many kids want to go versus how many get in? What's the percentage that 1500 for 500 seats? All right. So it's one and three. It'll still be one in three, but
you're controlling. Uh the idea is to make more access, but I understand if there's one seat here and me and him fight over it, there's still one person in that seat. You know, it's not making more access. It's No, it's going to cause more a lot more issues. But a
turtle. Okay. Well, we we'll see how the weighted side of it goes. And if we can get some seats allocated to us that empowerment, stuff like that. How many kids we got there now? Like 10 or something. Yeah, we're like I just graduated 112.
Got about 12 kids there. Yeah, we did graduate a lot this year, didn't we? Or Yeah, last year. I know the number is going down, but it could go back up. Yeah, it's Yeah. Well, if we can get the lottery over the Yeah, it'll be over. Yeah. So,
it'll be over the whole base inside of that. They're calling it a weighted lottery. So, there's like what I've been told is there's like a point system, but I'm not really 100 I'm not going to say anything because I'm not 100% sure how that's playing out right now. So,
you're not saying that we could wind up with no seats? Well, that has been my concern and this is what I've been talking about the whole time up there and they're assuring well they're telling me
that if that happens then we can go back to Desi for a certain amount of seats but I haven't seen anything on paper that says that. So, all right. I'm curious. Work in progress, I guess. But yeah, I really
I don't have anything. the school committee met after um our election on Tuesday and I was the cold. I don't think they did anything interesting. Do they plan to work on the
budget during the summer? Um they are they are planning that a thing called the number crushers which is a public meeting of um the school admin superintendent
um finance and uh facilities and the chair of the school committee. the two town administrators um and two people from either the finance or select boards.
Do we know when they that she's Pam just sent out okay a can we meet in June and if the meeting is held in June could we ask for a extra slot so both our
incoming and outgoing town administrator could I mean it might be beneficial for Greg wants it to happen in July you know what I'm I think it's a public meeting. So, okay. So, anybody can and I'm sure that we would listen
to administrators present and future the consent agenda. I move that the select board approve the consent agenda item. Well, sorry, John, that was that was me, but you did it very well. Thank you. Do you want to second it? I
Okay, discussion. John, yes. Says yes. Kathy, yes. Brian, yes. And yes. Yes. Okay. So, we're on with the beach bumps. Um, right.
Yeah, pretty self-explanatory. Um, in most of these have a little more information on Central Street Culver hopefully later this week, but I'll share with you transitioning. Tony will be here as
I say two full days a week. Go back to the cover just for a minute. Yeah. Um Christine Delicio is saying on Facebook that there have been no public hearings about this. So public forums and public input is
required. Um I haven't responded. I assume that we have followed all of the regulations for a chapter 91 permit. Correct. Yes. So so D manages those hearings. D manages those.
Yeah. And so yes, those public comment period was announced, it's made available. It's being introduced online as if it was a brand new idea that's just being sprung out of that. I think there was like a four-year-old video associated
with that same posting. So that was a bit of a connection there. I don't know. Right. Right. Right. Contradictory items. Jeff, yes, is the chair of the board at the time. Um any Sorry. Yeah. I the the
irony is if if if that thing is delayed and we don't it's held up, the person who's going to suffer the most is the person that's causing the delay. When that thing fails, it's not going to be pretty. No, it's going to be what was it on Facebook? I think Bridge. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. Which bridge? The Colonelwood Bridge. Oh, it's called How long's that been cost? Three years, four years, five years. Well, I think it's about three years now. And there's no future and they're closing the other bridge because
Yeah. So, you're going to give us an update this week? Uh, will we have to meet? Um, there may be a need for a special meeting. I'll I'll keep you posted. Okay. Just depends how how things move along.
Okay. So in a situation like that, there needs to be a meeting on short notice. When we think about a policy that all meetings have to be in person, we might want to allow for, you know, emergency
meetings to be held virtually because if there's a short-term need, we don't know where we're going to be. I'm just that just made me think of it. But that scenario right there, right, there's another little wording in that. All regularly schedules. Yeah,
regularly schedu. You're going to write this. Regularly scheduled. Yeah, I've already asked Chuck to uh uh look into the winners uh policy for me. Yeah. Have a template. You just sent
me the uh the header on their uh on their notice. Yeah, they got boiler plate language. Yeah. Yeah. Uh so anyway, back to transition. Um, if you have, you know, particular items you want to make sure
are are wrapped up as much as possible, let me know what you think those are. I have my list, but let me share it with you. Well, I think we just talked about one. So, but let me um
uh a couple of staffing issues. Again, pretty self-explanatory there. pretty sure that we will be having that vacancy uh in the in the police department. Expect the um that post will uphold the original decision.
Mhm. And um yeah, the condo ducks on the on the Mason building as they're coming along. No, I don't see any major red flags here. Pretty much the issues are hammered out with the TNS and so the conduct.
You're saying registry of deeds is a that could be a a snafu in our timing. I I ran into this personally. Yeah. With with a new condo. um that uh uh the group that the new buyers we
we contacted our state rep to try to move things along a little bit. Um so sometimes there's a bottleneck there. So hopefully not but but it may may push that out a little bit.
And then um you mentioned the the visioning session on on Monday the 9th. Planning board will be hosting that at the school at the cafeteria at 6:30 on the 9th and um they've uh hired a
consultant to help with that. Katie Mccain will be there to facilitate. It'll be a general presentation and then breaking out into sort of round table discussions. What what makes the village downtown core special? What do we need
to protect? What are your concerns about it? And share that with with the with the group as that. So the goal is to identify some sort of short-term plans that could be implemented to help bolster the business
community and and also possibly including some zoning changes. I think John you mentioned the general district incorporate incorporates a wide area. It probably makes sense to at a minimum
have two two subzones within the general district. So the downtown core and then the the further out residential zone. So that'll be the topic for uh for Monday and if you're able to attend that
that would be helpful. It's interesting just on that same note, I was in Kalas two weeks ago the election and I asked Scotty Bend who's been there forever what his feelings would be for outdoor dining. He's not
he's not in favor of Yeah. only because it would overt tax his small kitchen. He said it's not going to do us any matter of fact it's going to cause cause a problem. them right now. Callus is seems to be the only one with flourish
with the outdoor dining. Although I like the look of the vibrancy of 3 has a little bit. Yeah, look at that. Tiny little bit. That's a f and uh the mooring used to have their outdoor dining which was
really nice except when hit the 7 central out the back end. But the morning I remember one time uh the morning which is now Jamie's rose peak which is now closed. The morning it was but I happened to be walking outdoors when I heard a car slam into the uh
Jersey barriers out front. But anyway, so that's I mean so I talked about it and local business is not in favor of that. Bravo has it you know but it's structured for that. Yeah. She fell into it.
I think Cafe Euro may have a little I would say on the side where that design is that that Yes, they got a little patio there. That was always public. And the windows going in there. Classy windows. You've seen them. I have not. No, I have not seen them. I know they're
supposed to, but I know that they'll be classy window. I wasn't there for uh the ZBA meeting Wednesday night, but I know they were going for change of use over at uh One School Street. Oh, the first floor retail. The first floor retail he wants
to Yes. I assume they're that I didn't hear, so I assume that. Okay. And tomorrow night you have the chamber. Yes. I'm going to drop in and 10 is closed, but that's just the way it is. What time is that tomorrow? It starts at
5. It starts at 5:45. Alan. Yeah. At 5:45. 5 o'clock. 5. It starts at 5. Starts at 5. The ceremony. 5:45. 5:45. Okay, that's good. Oh, boy. That's close. I can do that.
Meeting at 6. Meeting at So, I can't go. But Alan's good. I I maybe we can we can we can talk to the chair and have you go go first. Go and just
just because I saw the agenda. Yeah. And that was last I think I think just the opposite. Yeah. So go first. Yeah. It would be nice. So, who's going I I will I will go. You will go. I will be there. I will have I will try to make it
there. But I have something going on anymore. Okay. I just show up. Okay. You're aware of that? Yes. That's like
happened today. Last night. It happened last week. Okay. Um He's there's a resignation on the housing authority. Housing authority will have to set up a joint meeting with them to make an appointment because it's
an elected position. Yeah. Okay. So that the person who who was elected has has concluded that he's not going to be able to fulfill that obligation. So I'm willing to hear back from the housing authorities and they could meet with
you session. You get an official letter from him or Yes. Okay. Move to adjourn. Second. All in favor? I I thank you very much. Good.
And thank you for reelecting me.