We go. Okay. He says yes. Okay. Close enough. At 6:30. Let me call this meeting of the Manchester by the Sea. Jeff. Yeah. Kathy and here and John is
here and Brian is not here and will not be here. Correct. We um the first item is public comments on non-aggenda items. Are there any public comments on non-aggenda items in
the room? Are there any is there anyone? I I would like to if I may. Yes. Um I'd like to thank Brian and absenteeism um for helping us on Saturday morning.
The house on the corner of school that was taking the sighting, the facade down did not have a test report on whether there was asphalt or not. We had asked them for it several times. Um they didn't have it. We closed the project
down Friday afternoon. Said you can't do it until you have the test results. and they continued to work on it Saturday and Brian saw them and convinced them that they should get the test report and they said well rather than that we'll just assume this as there and we will
take the necessary precautions. So I'd like to acknowledge publicly his assistance there. Um that's Peter Karuso and I'm sorry um we probably he was addressing
okay um the I have no chairman's report. Is there anything that should be on the action items? Only thing I can think of is we did say after town meetings um at some
point we would be looking at the short-term rental bylaw. Um it still I think says six days and kind of went back and forth and said we can wait on that but I just think it should be on the list so we don't forget about it.
And uh there was some discussion about trimming the friendship tree. I don't know whether we should throw this into the trees category. That was supposed to be done sometime between well I guess now and next December and I'm not sure what the time of year is but we should at least have a checkpoint I think for
that to make sure that that happens right or perhaps we should just let the DPW know that it's important now and whatever we can check again in late June. We need a little tickler somehow.
Um, I'm not sure whether this belongs on the select board or could be handled some other way, but I think we need to work a little bit on the flag flying protocol. The new pole isn't tall enough for a flag at half staff and for two
flags at half staff. And I think and I'd also like to see that there's somebody in town who's responsible for that goal and is actually going to do it. And I'm I would recommend that we put town flags in the purview of the
fire department because they seem to be good at it. Okay. We should talk about that generally. Okay. Okay. Um the next item on our agenda is a joint meeting with board of health.
Greg, could you launch that? Sure. Um so the um that was crafted between the two bodies um a little while ago u called for regular updates and we haven't been real faithful to that. So it was kind to to
do that. Um so the uh two main topics tonight really are to hear an update on activities um that the board is uh has underway. I think Wendy provided a a memo or summary of those activities in your packet and she can summarize those
for us this evening. Um and then the main topic of tonight, there is a proposal to um uh reestablish and expand a uh transfer station in in Gloucester on Conland Road, part of the industrial
park there. um and is it uh to accept um construction degree, demolition degree and um the city uh board of health is about to have a hearing started to Wednesday night I believe it is and then
um uh that would be determining participants and then the following I think it's the following week. Um, so we should talk a little bit about that project and whether or not you have concerns that you would like to brought forth to the to the city
board of health as part of their hearing process. So with that, I think Wendy, if you want to start over. Um, it might be easier. I know. Um, just to actually start with the con limbro, you you gave us sort of
a good summary. Um, I didn't know if anybody else got a chance to review some of the information that had been forwarded to you folks. It is a um a site assignment for uh construction and debris waste uh transfer facility. There is an existing
facility out there that handles uh recyclable materials as well as um they have an existing disposal business. So they are proposing to
operate up to 270 tons per day, 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. So that's kind of normal for, you know, a business. Uh, however, it is in an area that abuts um our town that's very residential or
undeveloped land. So it's right up against um um the wetlands. the wetlands. What I was going to say is um that Magnolia A area
um has that one can I just make sure for anybody who everybody in this room is aware of it but maybe somebody is listening there are two Magnolia ABS. Oh, I apologize. I kind of didn't recognize that. Yeah, there's there's the Magnolia AB in Manchester which
doesn't actually connect to Magnolia Road or Magnolia Avenue in Gloucester. Right. So, we're talking now about Magnolia A in Gloucester which is quite a different place. Okay. And I was actually talking about Magnolia A in Manchester goes behind Pondolin Road.
Uh so it's up university big uh Big Rock. Yeah. road that area. There's um conservation land there. Um a couple of resident there's residents residential land up there. There's no commercial
land, right? Um or uses currently and it's not zoning, right? This is all in Gloucester. All the activity that they're talking about is in Gloucester, but as an abuing um within a half mile
of the activity um we were notified And after talking and and reviewing uh speaking with uh the conservation commission um you know our chair um we are petitioning to be a
party. Um, at that hearing, uh, we're going to pretty much focus on the, um, concerns we have about Wolf Trap Brook. Mhm. The wetlands that surround this
proposed uh use is the um is where the wolf trap brook starts collects and it's um it's a straight shot less than a mile down to
its termination in black beach um tidal flats. Mhm. It's all downgradient, you know, topographically as well as potentially um uh you know in underground. So, we're going to be
asking about um groundwater testing if they've done any if they have any to be proposed monitoring. There are some drinking water wells in the area. Um so we have concerns about that as well as um
the gathering of waste materials that could be potentially hazardous and and how they are going to um just ensure that th those are captured and not released into the environment. Um as
well as you know we didn't see any studies of uh air quality um dust traffic uh control traffic exhaust um decibel levels that kind of thing. So um we are asking that they provide
additional information on that. Um as well as concern about the uh traffic potential. Um so we are asking they did not provide but we are asking for their published truck route
um which should indicate there's no trucks through Manchester. Um traffic route should uh route them through uh be directed off of 128 uh via the exit 53
in Gloucester onto 133 and then onto Condolin Road. Um, so there's some information missing as far as my review of the site assign um, uh, the material,
the application material. Um, one of the biggest concerns I have uh, because of that brook um, wolf trap brook, they did not have an environmental impact report for the site. um they seem to have exceeded many of the thresholds to
require one. So, we're not really sure what happened between uh the application and it getting to the Gloucester Board of Health, but um we are going to ask both the board of health and address the
letter to the um secretary um at the state level and ask why um NEPA and ask why they have not why they did not require the environmental impact reform. So, that's kind of where we're at. The
uh EPA, this is an EPA issue that supersedes the state and they require a storm water permit. And the permit asks the
applicant to um identify the potential contaminants and how they um are going to plan to contain them particularly getting into the wetlands and to the brook.
Um my cons personal concern is not so much construction waste because that's more or less control controllable. you know what's there is the demolition waste which could be god knows anything and I don't know how they're going to be able to predict what that is. Um so I
would personally like to see them be overly conservative in their um prevention of having that blow into the wetlands. Um, but I think we should we should get they have to get
the EPA permit and then uh we should push them to do it the right way. I think you don't want to take this one lightly. Martin board of felt that in addition to what Wendy was saying, I found it peculiar that the original volume predictions were in excess of 150
truckloads a day and then upon um criticism of that was reduced to 136. Um and I'm always suspicious of how they'd get to those numbers. And who's
going to control the actual volume down the road? Is it going to be 136 or 156 or 186? Because above the threshold of 150, there are many more restrictions that need to be met in order for this to
be permitted than below 150. And you know, exactly who counts. Question I have in that regard, how many trucks are going now and where are they going? Well, and that's one of the things that is that is under the traffic control question.
um those counts that they provided uh trips per day were only for the large um it's for construction disposal but right now it's residential right stuff and I don't is that like trucks or two truck I
just don't know 136 is a big number but I don't know in the whole scheme of things whether they're they've got 136 going now right but 136 was container trips really they did not count the smaller. It did not look like in the
paperwork they provided that they counted the smaller trucks, the dump trucks, the you know um um Yeah. Yeah. Well, so I don't they didn't give that number. They didn't give that information. I'd be interested in that
and to know whether those trucks were coming through Manchester or everything's going through Gloucester. Currently active. There is currently a business there. Yes. Um I think that they might
have disposal disposal portion may have been closed for the winter or something. somebody they had a permit violation. Yes. They didn't close them down. They may
have closed down at one point. They were actually purchased by an outofstate company. Um Hilt's disposal didn't stop. It was no recycling center that was collecting um construction and demolition debris.
Um so they they are currently active. I don't know what happened with the permit. They they did have um it's not a site assignment. It was a it was a file number permit I believe in
response to that. Um so there is history there. Is the Glouester Conservation Commission now active with all of this? Yes, they are. They have sent a letter. I talked to the um board of health director in
Gloucester this afternoon and she said, "Yes, we've received a letter from the Gloucester Conservation Commission um reminding the permitting uh the permittee that they have jurisdiction and will be requiring a notice of
intent. There are several more steps after this hearing. it will um depending on what the what the results of the hearing are in the Gloucester Board of Health's decision, it will then go back to the state for um operational
permitting. So, there's a lot of operational information that's not provided um and then it will go back through um Gloucester um permitting process for for the actual site work. Well, well, I know
our conservation commission is aware. Yes, I do speak. I don't know if they're actively part of the communications activities here, but we should be. They've given us advice up front. Whenever something happens, they automatically are going to tell us
stories, right? And and and I have spoken with um the chairperson. Uh he did ask their administrator to go and find some information, which they did. So they talked to the Gloucester Conservation Commission administrator.
Um trying to think he said he was he had a conflict for tonight so couldn't come. But uh I did recommend that they address an individual letter to the board of health, but I also um took notes on our conversation. Um he had some of the
similar concerns as I did around. They're plugged in. Yes, they are. they'll respond appropriately. Yes, the the time frame is really tight, unfortunately. Um, we have known about this for a while. Uh, nobody really
picked up on it uh two years ago when it first came through. There's been several revisions that were received in Gloucester. Um, but we didn't really pick it up until we were notified about the hearing two weeks ago. So lot of activity in the last two weeks just to
catch up and understand uh where we are. So um we need to notify uh the hearing officer by tomorrow afternoon um of our intent and provide uh whatever documentation we intend to
submit as evidence and by applying we will have more influence. Um, you know, I I don't know what their position is, whether they would like to see it go ahead or not, independent of our opinion, but uh once we're
registered, they have to at least take it into consideration. So, I see um probably your biggest line of defense here is the storm water, the catch basins with the whale separators. whose job is it going to be to inspect
those on a regular basis because I have a little bit of experience here and these things get installed and then they get forgotten about until there's a problem. Right. So who's is that going to be Gloucester's job or what? So it it is within Glouester purview to ensure
that it gets done. Um the oversight of the monitoring um ultimately falls both with the local board of health and with the state D. Of course there is that e um EPA portion of
it but they generally don't send anybody out. The this is one of the questions when I spoke to uh the director this afternoon um you know the question of how is how are they going to ensure
long-term compliance uh and monitoring is is going to be part of their decision making. So, and we're I definitely want to see monitoring uh long term. So, and and
get copies of that for us, particularly because of our drinking water wealth out there. There's at least six, maybe seven or eight out there um that we know about, right? I mean I think that gives us some leverage to push the issue with glossery because I mean we can't go to
glosser and say hey you know right which was passing but but it would be nice to have some kind of update down the road as to Oh yeah. Yes. And that that's what my my one of my requests will be is that they provide monitoring which I did not
see in the application itself and with that it would be a public record. Therefore, we could ask for those records. Yeah, that that would be good. It would be nice to have us be an automatic um you know, like a CC line on
some of their reporting would be great, but we'll see how see how that goes. Willing they are to do that. Okay, great. Um I guess my my only question is is there anything specific that you need from us? It seems like you're, you know,
talking with all the right committees and um I appreciate the awareness and the details. Is there anything specifically that we can help with? I at this point, no. Um glad that we were able to pull ourselves together and and get um
comments to them. That's that's what I'm in the process of doing. So hopefully, you know, the next time I talk to you about it, we will have more information uh you know about what they're going to do. Hope it'll be good information. Yes.
Questions? Okay. Um now could we go back to the first topic? Sure. Which which is what what are you doing? What should we know about um doing so many things? Can I have you a thought on
that? Um yes. For us to predict the next three months, what's going to happen next quarter is very difficult. We are bound by law to respond to title 5 request 45 days. We
don't know when they're coming. They come in waves. And we've had a lot of housing complaints this year. Four, Wendy. Five. Five. five housing complaints in three months which take an
ungodly amount of time and they're not predictable and and that why they take so much time is there's two types of complaints. The people that don't feel they need to comply and the people that have no idea
that they're not complying. Um both take a lot of education. Uh unfortunately we had to take one case to court uh because they refused to comply. Um so be able to predict all that uh is is I just
wondered if you had any initiatives that you were working. We've been working on bringing title five up to date for over a year and it keeps getting bumped on the road because something else comes up. So when you say bring title 5 up to date, what there are amendments that the
state is requiring um and we're going through those in like working groups outside of our regular meetings right now and creating framework for the update of the title five regulations
of the addendum. Um so actually uh as far as initiatives we've just completed the diaper drive. So we we collected um I forget how many uh the report was around like 400 um packages.
So that was really well done of us. Um we are working on a community nlloxxone program. So, um, we're an affiliate for reporting. Hopefully, we'll be able to work with other departments as we get further in,
um, using some of the, uh, opioid funds. We have worked with the, um, Essex Health and Fire departments as well as the Manchester school to organize a life safety skills training for students. Hopefully, that'll happen next fall.
Um uh we have a mother visiting partnership. Um so new mothers get a visit visit from our uh public health nurse as well as uh blood pressure screenings. Um we are working with the regional
youth prevention network trying to get um a good understanding and and work with them on some uh local programming for students u in in addition to the life safety skills training. Uh you know welcome to spring. We're doing all of
our seasonal uh openings and you know uh we've done our first round of food inspections. Uh we've had a couple of turnovers. Uh Rich Nails, there's On the Grind that's just opened up at the MAC. Um we have another
uh Oh my gosh. All of those. No. Uh a lovely storefront that's going to go in just around the the corner there on School Street. Right at the bottom of School Street. Yeah. Wine and wine and food. I apologize for not remembering
the name of the company storefront uh but a lovely lovely people. Um we're actually holding our mosquito control uh annual review of the um sorry Northeast
Mosquito control is coming to our um a public hearing on May 22nd for vector. Yes. just to suggest that when you have a public hearing, you might make sure you work with Tiffany to
get the word out to those of us who will use electronic media. So, my understanding is it it is okay. She was notified that that that was happening. That that is a topic that I think a lot of people would
be interested if they ran across it. But um not everybody that subscribes to the cricket, even those of us who subscribe to the cricket, don't always read all the legal notices. Um right. No, we it's it should be um both in the tide and on
the website, I believe. But yeah, there's also this where else do we put it? She might put it in the Manchester uh what where when um Facebook that's got about 5,000 subscribers. So
many people need Facebook though. Well, yes. But but um I'm sorry. I'm I'm not generally the one who tells Tiffany where to put it, just that it's a thing. But I will ask her specifically if she has that particularly for the mosqued are not of great general
interest, but mosquito prevention um has to be. Okay. Absolutely. Uh same with the household hazardous waste collection event on June 14th which yeah that one's important but it's all usually overs subscribed
isn't it it's very well subscribed yeah so over subscribed I don't know what that means what that means is at capacity capacity it's you you have a good turnout yes we do very good turnout yes
but the it's the hearings that I'm that I'm worrying about that that um affect a lot of people in town and a lot of people in town don't follow your agendas closely enough. Sure. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. We
we'll work with Tiffany to be more uh transparent. Definitely. No, I thought sometimes we had plenty of notice when we had the hearing about cigarettes. Mhm. We had one person who actually lived in
the town who was responsible in selling cigarettes and no one else from the town came but yeah Kathy was there. Kathy was there but well it was very poorly the mosquito
people show up for that. No, we we had um a full agenda at the end of last year and we've been notified by the state that uh some of the funds that grants that were
coming through for that um are probably not going to be coming through or at least not at the levels that we had hoped. So, there may be some changes going forward on what we're able to do. Surprise, surprise, right? Common
issue whether they still pay for the vaccine, the flu vaccine. I think we're we're really kind of uh hoping that the state labs stay open, but uh in in the light of um working of people, we were
able to get an intern to county this year. Um unfortunately, it's unpaid. The state was uh you know, the program was a paid internship. Um but the person agreed to work with us um without being paid you know or on the hope that maybe
the money will come through but you know uh so that that'll be uh lovely uh uh July and August get about 160 hours. So got a question I'm just looking at the projects that you're you're just kind of
running down here. Yeah. Um private well data collection. How is that going? I know that there was a regulatory update. Was it maybe two years or so ago? Last year. Yes. Or whenever it was. Yeah. No, no, no. Because I'm I'm very aware we're coming up on that uh oney year anniversary of
it. Uh we had asked for voluntary compliance. We had quite a few people. Um you know, submit their information to us. Um Tiffany had worked with us to get a um a handout that was very clear for
folks. Uh so that was very helpful. we are like putting all of the information together. Um it's it is uh time consuming to turn that around into usable um data that we can um put
information and and pull out you know like what's the average depth of well and that kind of thing. Um which is one of the things we had hoped to do. Um that is one of the things I hope the intern will be able to work on. Um, as far as getting to a point where
everybody is in compliance, that is not yet there. Um, but we have uh, like I said, there's been a lot of people who have been very willing to work with us and uh, to get that information into the board of health.
But as far as putting it into a format that I can uh let loose into the town's um you know GIS uh I I would hesitate to do that at this point just because I would I the inaccuracies are potential
inaccuracies are just not just in general. How many of the wells have you heard from at this point regardless of whether they're in compliance or what they're doing or not doing? How many have I heard from? Yeah, I remember in the discussion maybe there
were a hundred wells in town. 55. 50 or 55. So that's more than half. Yeah. And that's just off the top of my head a number. Um and that includes a couple of the new wells that we've had. Uh Kings Way, they all have wells. Um uh loading
place all loading places. A lot of people in loading place. A lot of people university lane. Um the problem is that the remainder of the wells wouldn't don't know whether they are going you don't know what you don't know. Right. Right. There's no
mandatory reporting for them at this point. So there is an effort to go through the files to find the old well reports if there are and and that's that's very slow but we are working on it in our Just curious I know there were a lot of wells that were Yes. often not
used, have been dead for many years. Right? That that computer program that is going to list septic and wells and you just hit the address and it gives you the whole history will be fantastic and be able to answer any question when
and if it's ever loaded. First, you got to get the data. You got to get the data. So, you come in and it's partially loaded up. Sounds like maybe halfway there or something. I don't yeah about you know um it's it's more the data behind the the um because there is the
program is there um we're working on making sure it is accurate is really our my big issue with it um because I don't want to release it there's some that are listed as well with the down water and and vice versa so
okay just curious because I hadn't heard anything since the regulatory discussion absolutely that's knew It was a a big unknown. Yes, it still feels like a big unknown to me, but we will get there. You know, I am one person. I'm I'm doing
I'm doing as best as I can. Um, not for this year, but the seniors in high school have to do score projects. There's some data entry sort of thing that you could work with them next year. Interestingly enough, I did go to the school and I did offer uh
community service hours. Nobody has applied. Okay, good. Thank you. Sorry. The result is what it is, but I'm you know, we don't pay enough. Oh, wait a minute. What about Essex Tech? Would there be any type of
internship that might be related? I can ask. My head does. Sure. I'm I will absolutely take help from wherever it comes. Great. And congratulations on your masters.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Um I don't know. I don't think I added it, but it turns out I got the award for um uh student success and leadership um for helping to connect an online study group.
I just found out on Tuesday. I think they just told me on Tuesday. I was very excited. I got an award, too. Questions answered and you have nothing. Oh, I would ask you to when you have the time read our minutes because I
think that u you'll have a much better idea of not only what's going on but the complexity and the number of revisits and rerevisits that are necessary. So, um Becky J was our representative on the
home to you. Well, I was actually Yeah. most recently. I I talked to Wendy um the other day. It's just the the Thursday mornings um at 8:30 are tough for me to meet. So I do wind up looking at the meeting minutes and stuff like that more than attending the meeting and
and you give us liaison reports based on that and so but it's not a bad idea maybe couple of times a year something like doesn't have to be quarterly because I mean I'm looking and seeing quarterly I think that's too much but a couple of times a
year for you to come by think this is what's going on is helps with me I think the board is You know, it's good to have boards meet each other. Yes. Thank you very much to say.
Thank you very much. Thank you very much and everyone. Good evening. Sorry. I'm sorry. I know you work long day. Oh, especially long. It's not evening until I've had dinner and then then it's evening. So, I'll go do that a late
evening. How we doing? Uh, Greg, I don't know. Did you download the presentation or should I There's a person online that can share it if you'd rather do it that way. Definitely. You should put it on the screen, right? Do you want them to be the host or you can
if you want to give permission to Sean Franchesco? Uh that's the one the consultants that's online who has the otherwise uh if you want to that's fine too but just No, I'll let I'll let him do
it. You have Z should pull it up Chuck. Yeah, I think Greg will give you permission to share your screen and when we get to it, you know, just through Yep, sounds good. No problem. Um, while we're pulling that up, I guess
those drought was on um the agenda as well tonight. You guys, nice rainy day. We get to talk about drought again. Seems like that's always the case. Always the case, right? Um, so I I did put a little memo in the packet. Hopefully you were able to read it, but
you know, I'm not trying to belver the point just because there was some question at town meeting also, you know, just in general in the community. Um, so you know, we have a registration with D very specific about, you know, the things we need to comply with. Uh,
likewise D is in charge of all that. They are very specific about what we need to comply with. Um it was definitely on purpose that the drought management plan of the state was coinciding with when they renewed the registrations and trying to basically
pass down all the requirements of the drought management plan through the registration that was very concerted effort. So that's you know we're kind of seeing the fruits of those labors and why while while things are happening. Uh so you know that that's how we got uh
the the update that we did on the bylaw during town meeting that's a requirement within our registration. So that was not just a hey you know let's let's do another bylaw you know that was a requirement. Um so you know all these things have kind of been at play. Um you
really at the mercy of this drought management task force that is you know meets the next meeting is May 7th. they're going to say whether or not we're in a drought. It's very much regional. It's not water supply or even town supply specific. Um they have a
whole bunch of carveouts for Mass Water Works or Mass Massachusetts Water Resources Authority, you know, MWR communities versus private communities, you know, or smaller communities. So it it's just a lot. So if you just want to kind of look at just Manchester, you
know, we basically have to do whatever the drought task force says and we're supposed to enact those restrictions based on your authority as the water commissioners to restrict non-essential use. That's where that very specific definition of non-essential use came
from. These are all kind of how we got to where we are. Yeah. Um you guys have any questions, I'm happy to answer them, but that's what they're looking for. Every time we do enact a restriction, which is, you know, theoretically very often now, I have to send a form to D
that says we enacted the restrictions. Every year when we do our annual statistical report, I will tell them all the different dates that we enacted them and then lifted the restrictions. So that's just reporting requirements. I don't think at this point people are,
you know, keeping score. I think at some point people will start to keep score and they'll be upset or not if you know depending on you know what they what they think um you know is the reason you say people you don't mean citizens you mean no I mean regulators regulators yes uh we need to distinguish between people
and regulators sorry yeah regulators or people too often when you say keep score that you say keep score in other words all right we told you to have this restriction in place how many of you guys did Yeah. So, you know, like the critical
three is, you know, that's the strict one. Right now, we're still, believe it or not, in level two. Uh, Wednesday, they'll meet to decide if we can go to level one or level zero. I mean, we're almost always in level one now, which is restrictive, which we've never been restrictive before. So, that's, you know, there's definitely a learning
curve there. So, I think we'll get that learning curve. Um, you know, that they're going to look at, you know, we declared level three critical three times a year. I only see two corresponding bands in Yorktown, you
know, like something like that. Um, so, you know, I think that's where we're at. So, when they meet um in a couple of days, what's the data, the period of performance, the the data that they're going to be looking at, it's not going to be taking into account the rain we're getting today. Right. Right. Well, so
they surprised me actually last time you remember if you guys remember you voted and they weren't supposed to take into account it's it's really supposed to be a monthly. So like right now they would be looking back at May looking at April, not the last week, you know, the first week of May. Uh but I think last time
they actually did. Oh, good. Uh they because we went from three to two, right? And um so that I think they did look at that. Although I'm not in the room, maybe they maybe they were like, "Oh, the stream flow in whatever stream was, you know, was higher and therefore we're going a little too." I mean, it's
supposed to be much more scientific, but I think there's still an element of, you know, trying to knock any candidate. Do they do they meet regular scheduled times or is it really driven by the weather? I think it's regularly scheduled. So, it's always Well, you say Wednesday. So, this is
what the first week of the month, you know, this case May 7th. I think last time it was, you know, April 9th or something like that. So, you know, it's that call it the first Wednesday of every month. Okay. How is this enforced? Meaning at the county level,
right? So the the bylaw does give us the authority to us meaning the water department slash the okay the commissioners, police, whoever uh to impose bonds. So that's strictly through bylaw. Nothing the state will not be
knocking on doors or driving down the road and we are responsible for telling people that they can't water their lawns. How nice. Yes. Uh yeah. Um when when the state says I'm gonna, you know, I'm going to say it's now say level
three, they have their own publicity to say that, right? So people will hear that, but they haven't heard it from us yet. But in theory, within a day or two, they're supposed to hear it from us. And I I do believe we have heard it more on the news than we ever have before. And I
think that's direct function of DCR and DP you know talking to the news stations or newspapers or whatever and that you know coming to fruition that way. Certainly not from us or you know we will get calls from cluster times and sometimes Erica the cricket but you know for the most part um you know asking if
we're imposing restriction I think rock was in the news recently because they are having issues with water supply and certainly if we are having issues with our water supply you we want to communicate that but we we really haven't so I I did put in the a lot from the
citizens when they discover that it's hand watering and and one day a week and on a on a when we're only in a level one drought and there's no problem in town with the water. It's just I and you know this is this has been a
endgame I think for through the registration process for actually over a decade like they they tried to do this previously and they lost the court. We actually just uh finished our court appeal app appeal of the water management acts
uh registration condition. But we we did go back to court uh and just last month um to the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts to say that DP and the state do not have the right to infringe
on our registration. Our registrations are ours to use however we so choose. Um but seems like we're probably not going to win this time around. When you say we, they so many water suppliers across the state with these registrations.
Okay. All kind of joint suit and file this appeal. We were part of that. But even if we weren't any registration during that part and then the key thing for the consumer is that the state will say level three or level two or level one. And we have
to at this point we have to say the same. and but the appeal was we'll decide what we think it should be for our particular community and they looked at it. Okay. So I mean technically we're supposed to
comply but what be done right? So I I don't think anything right now I mean like I said it is up to us to enforce when we when you guys do enact the restrictions. So you know like I said we're typically only going to try and do educational. We're not gonna, you know, if somebody says, "Hey, you know, my
neighbor's watering and their sprinkler's on and it's raining out." You know, we'll try and tell them like, "Hey, you should get a rain sensor. You should, you know, only water at night. You know, do all these things that make a lot of sense. Um, you know, save on your bill." All these types of things. Um, but the I don't think the state is
going to, you know, say, "Hey, we issued this level three restriction on April 3rd and you guys didn't enact it until May 3rd or something like that." Like, it's not going to happen that way. But I think at some point they will look at we had three level crit level level three critical droughts. You guys didn't do
any restrictions. Why is that? We'll have to have that conversation. If it gets to be habitual and you know we're non-responsive, then we could see a consent order or something that I don't think they'll start there. I mean, I guess my question is, say if
we have plenty of water here, but they say we're in a level three, what's to stop us from saying, well, no, we're really at a level one here or no, not yet. Nothing unless they So that I mean, I think eventually it will catch up to
us, but they're not going to go water supplier by water supplier right now. Okay, we'll revel until we get caught. So, you just got to be prepared for the consequence. Have you have you issued any limits that have differed from the
state so far or have you just said nothing? Not sure what you mean. In other words, it's a level three and you get this. This is level three and you don't do anything. It's not like, you know, we think it's going to be a level two for us. And so I'm I'm not doing anything.
You guys aren't the ones that are voting the uh All right. Yes. Spring to us, right? So I you know I always try and tell you and you the way it's worked so far and I see it this working this way you know this summer into the fall you know coming years is when we get to level three critical even
if we're okay we should be very cognizant of we don't want to get too far ahead of you know the way the supply is going and you know we we always have potential to be in a prolonged drought so I don't want to minimize the fact that we could be uh but looking at our historical trend looking at the height
of the reservoir looking at our draw down in the well worth buying water supply. But if the state's issuing a critical level three critical drought and we stay there for a month or two months and we don't do anything, then we
do have an issue, we're going to look pretty stupid. So I'm going to make us I think us look stupid. I think that makes us look sensitive to the needs of the community. Right. But I I think we don't want to perhaps
but Yeah. Well, but we we don't want to and I think anticipate, right? We got to look at the trend and we want to act before things get bad, right? Yes. I think that's also a delayed reaction, but I don't think we want to unnecessarily attack people. They don't
need to either, right? But that's why you look at a trend that every, you know, information is a point in time, but you put together the trend and you want to stop. So, like there's there's a couple other like the things that water suppliers were advocating for before they put this rule in place is like they're basing this on a state drought plan. Why shouldn't we be able to have a
local drought plan that we follow? So, technically right now, even if that was available to us, we do not have a Manchester drought plan. So, like maybe that's something we should do. Um, but that's, you know, you have to do some work on do some engineering, some math. So, but right now that would not count
in place of the state. Yeah, I understand. state. So, is there some sort of a publicity initiative that's going to happen in the next month or two? Right. So, I am going to be at a meeting next week or the week after with the DCR and the state about messaging of
their drought, you know, the state declared drought um to say like this is the problem we're having is like look been raining and our water supply is fine. There's no reason for me to tell my consumers to, you know, curb their use. Um so how do you know how do we how do we square that with what you're
telling us we have to do. Um so we'll we'll see what they say about that and then also uh the water management acts u advisory committee to D'll be on that. So you know that's this was part of the water man management acts um you know rules and regulations. So see see if
they're willing to revisit it or consider other alternatives like allowing us to have our own local drought plan stuff like that. Well, I think consumers need to know how the process goes. You're we're not entirely in charge here. And so, I think that's what you mentioned at the U town
meeting was, you'll have Tiffany do some, you know, so with Tiffany on, you know, how we message all this and, you know, make it consumable for the average person. Oh, let's go to good good news. We're not solving any problem. I'm doing
it really quick. I couldn't You are or you are? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. You're in charge. All right. I I'll flip the switch here. Yeah. So, I mean, this is not meant to be a very intensive uh presentation. We have done a lot of work over the last year. Uh last week at town meeting, voters approved to, you know,
take it the next step, which will be design. So, we thought it was worthwhile. It was in the works for a while anyway to talk to you guys about kind of the sighting of DPW up at School Street. Um Gre, if you want to forward. So this is you know
we this uh is more of an engineering analysis but you know previously we had done a sighting analysis as well as the facility master plan which talked about you know the pros and cons moving DPW. Uh this is just kind of a vicinity plan showing you know the kind of clouded area up there at school street where we
you know what we're looking at. Uh the circles are kind of all the different areas around town where DPW has a footprint whether it's just cold storage like at home station or the wastewater treatment plant where we have a lot of other materials or even you know town hall where you know the administrative
staff is u so you know this is just what we're trying to show here get everybody kind of acclimated you can go to the next one uh so you know part of the work that we've done to date as part of this kind of a agreement with Tetrate
Tech who's here tonight uh is to do survey to do borings, geothermal evaluation, solar evaluation, just kind of get a sense for the overall needs and requirements of the site as well as the facility. Um so that's it might be hard
for you guys to see back there actually, but uh you know we we actually did two rounds of borings. one for kind of the site where the previous compost was and then another round where we looked at if we were to do what we're calling a kind of a campus where public safety was also
located up at the site kind of that lower intersection of atwater and school uh you know how are those soils and you know uh potential u you know building uh considerations there so that's what you're looking at here you can go to the
next slide you thinking about geothermal we are yep So you know ground source ground source you know geothermal and ground source can get interchanged but yeah ground source like CSD okay
um so you know as part of that what we're calling you know what you're looking at here is kind of a kind of proof of concept for just the DPW facility so this was the overall intent of this engagement was to you know really look at this and there's a lot of needs and wants in the facility master
plan in the leg analysis making sure that you know this site can accommodate that um you know kind of the what footprint you're looking at here is kind of the already cleared and leveled site I mean there is definitely tiers to the site but you know buildable kind of area that already exists uh we also looked at
circulation uh different analysis on you know being able to move around the site whether it's you know our operations but also the um deliveries or town u you know residents that come up for certain things that We also have uh emergency
eress out onto kick glass. So it's not just a up a steep hill into a site. It's you know being able to get out the backside. So you know we kind of did a lot of just a question. So the the site evaluation though that you did didn't you didn't find any showstoppers. Right. So that's kind of where we're what I'm
trying to say at the you know end of the next slide maybe is like you know this this all kind of worked out like the proof of concept worked. Um you'll see further on. Oh you can go to the next slide. Um, so before you go to the next slide, it's kind of the same slide, but
looks as if you've pretty much covered the readily developable area, where would the public safety, right? So that's this. So what we were looking at as part of this proof of concept was the additional area at the bottom of at the intersection of uh school and atwater.
So that's the additional area that we would, you know, in the idea that it's a public safety. This would be your fire station garage. It would also likely be too level uh so that it kind of works into the what we're showing as the DPW garage and administrative area. Uh so
the building kind of near that corner. Um so you know there's a DPW building that we're you know trying to site. If we were to add police and fire either now or in the future, how would it kind of all work together and make sure that we answer that question now so that it gives us that opportunity in the future.
So that's what we were looking at. That's why we did the additional borings kind of down on that corner. Um, and so by kind of terracing the site a little bit or having, you know, multi-level buildings, we can kind of make it all work um, without having, you know, one skyscraper or, you know, all these, you
know, design elements. Tell us what all of those structures or figures are there. Right. So, in the in the upper left corner, uh, that's the DVW admin or administrative, you know, area as well as the garages. So, you know, we have a couple of bays for okay, you know, active mechanical, but then, you know,
there's a water bay, uh, uh, whatever going on down the line. Um, you'll see further on, you know, we did do a fair amount of programming of the building itself. So, we have kind of some thoughts and concepts for the area as built, but just in terms of blocks, that's what that is. Uh, to the right,
those uh, to the right of that is just like your concrete block bins where you have like different, you know, loom or, you know, granular materials. So that's just like open blocks that you know you can drive a front end loader in to pick up and put it you know load up a dump truck and send it out. Kind of working
away around clockwise. The next kind of building that you see after the egress there is the um salt shed. So we'd have to relocate the salt shed off there for you know winter operations. The block next to that is actually the cell tower. So there is a cell tower there that we
had to maintain access to. on the opposite side of the cell tower going around clockwise still uh is what we're calling like the water department closed cold storage. So it's you know just a covered building but it's not you know has electricity but not heat or anything like that. So there's a lot of water
stock and stuff like that that we need to keep. Uh and then the longer water by water sock you mean valve pipe all that not Yeah. No, no. Yeah, that that all stays at the water treatment plant or wherever else. But yeah, this is just
water department. Um, you know, we have stuff that we use to maintain the, you know, lift station, you know, all that kind of stuff. Okay. Um, doesn't need to be in the main garage area or the admin area, but needs to be covered somewhere. U, then the, uh, the last building there
is more equipment and cold storage, uh, for highway department, uh, which would also include like cemetery, um, you know, parks, all that kind of stuff. So all that kind of equipment as well as cover storage for stuff like our sidewalk tractor, MT tractor, you know,
so other equipment storage. Um, so that's that's kind of how we work around the site. In the the block in the middle there is really fuel depot and a wash truck wash down. That's something we don't have now that would be beneficial to the fleet and as well as to the police and fire. Um, and the tennis
courts that's actually just parking, but yeah, pickle ball is what we like to call them. Just just parking. you got a lunchtime activity. Yeah. Health and safety, you know. Um, so yeah, that that's how we're working our way around the site. Um, this is very conceptual.
Again, proof of concept. Make sure we're not forgetting anything. Obviously, some things will probably be horse traded or downsized in the future, but this gets everything there. Obviously, we we like I said, we have kind of used up the whole site, uh, but we've left that kind of additional expansion available down
below. Um so so I think we've we've covered all the bases. There were no social operas when it comes to survey boring solar um those types of things. Um you know all of this you know in a in a future preliminary even you know actual design development. We would
start talking about um you know the drainage and where we you know round everything utilities stuff like that. Um you know how they come in where they get cited um all that kind of stuff. is the bottom the bottom area I assume that's a fairly steep grade going down to the
access road or whatever it is. Right. So what we're showing here is um you know the the kind of if you go up there now if you've been up there since it was the compost or even before that when was like a town compost area it's kind of like a hard right that that's still maintained there but we're actually you know when we do the final grading here
we're trying to make it a much softer uh come down around. So, you know, as you come up to the site and take a hard right to circulate the site, wherever you're going, uh, when you when you exit, you're actually kind of coming around up and then down, uh, at kind of a softer grade overall.
Okay. But I'm just looking at those bottom structures. You can't push them further back because the grade starts to get pretty steep. Oh, you're talking about off the back. That's what I'm Yes. That's why there's a lot of trees down there, but there's a reason for that. That's really not not making us but uh
that's not kind of the end of the functional area of the site. So you know in previous iterations of the sighting analysis and the facility master plan I think this is like a seven acre site really only four maybe five or and I assume the same issue with the top top
edge going down to add water not nearly as bad as on the southern edge. The southern edge is like really like cliff where the northern edge is more kind of a gradual hill. And I will say, you know, we're just showing you this one picture, this one proof of concept when within the, you know, last several
months, we did look at citing a building kind of at the corner of Kit Glass and Atwater. So like that part of the site, um, you know, further down towards, uh, you know, that whole kind of bottom area. And like there's advantages and disadvantages to all those types of things.
Um I think one of the other things that we have to keep in the back of our mind is even though it looks good on paper and in this plan uh you know there are setbacks that we have to maintain there are kind of buildable footprints that we're supposed to be within without getting variances and stuff like that um
from the different entities besides ourselves. So you know planning board concom also have jurisdiction there will be um you know wetlands that we are in the buffer zone or you know encroaching on the buffer zone. So you know we had to kind of take into account all of
those things. So obviously the flatter more already cleared area that's set back from the roads is the most advantageous and cheapest to build but that's not to say we can't do other stuff as well. So you want to go to the
next. So again, we didn't want to get too deep into the details, but there's, you know, we did do a fair amount of programming uh and floor plan kind of analysis uh in terms of just making sure we have all the basics covered, but also, you know, what are these
multi-purpose areas that we would want to incorporate whether it's in a just DPW site, but also potentially in the future being a public safety type campus. Um, so you know, we tried to be very cognizant of not overbuilding to
the extent that, you know, we're planning on police and fire being there anytime soon, but also understanding that there are definitely limitations to the area available for current town operations. We wanted to make sure that we could fit as many of those in as possible. Um, so that's that's what
we're looking at here. We have a first floor plan, second floor plan. Obviously, the garage area, there is no second story on the garage. it's just kind of a bigger building. Um, but then on the lefth hand side where you see all the different colors, those are the different, you know, whether it's a meeting room area or training rooms or
other multi-purpose rooms for equipment demos and stuff like that. But also, um, you know, the instant command response if there's a, you know, need if down here, this is the room we're in would be the typical place for that or the schools. um you know this is kind of offering that as a secondary or and
hopefully in when we get there it will be a primary um function of that area. Um so I don't have really a lot to say here except we did a lot of thinking. Obviously, this is where we would get
into a bigger design effort where we would start cutting this down or, you know, making some trading or, you know, if we forgot something, you know, other things would have to go in. Um, but in terms of square footage, I think we're still where we had always been
previously. Um does that so on the square footage piece um how much additional square footage obviously when it comes to a lot of the um materials and stuff you have right now you don't have anything covered you
know you're just bare minimum when it comes to the administrative space and stuff on the left how much additional square footage is that than what you have right now I've not done that analysis so I'd have to look but so I'm not sure what certainly
additive. Right. Right. So, I guess when we get to the point where we need to do the horse trading because our eyes might be bigger than our pocketbooks, right? I I think it would be helpful for the taxpayers to understand how much
additional square footage we have. And when it comes to the especially the administrative space, we really need to be looking at all of your facilities, right? In that facilities master plan, where are all of these pockets of administrative space? Because when you
start to take town hall and separate it, okay, what you wind up doing is building more administrative space, making it more difficult in some instances to share. you know, we're we're we're establishing a condominium over in the Mason's building. We're going to move
some offices, you know, couple over there. That's going to free up room here, right? So, you take DPW, your office, you move it to this new place. Okay, that frees up room in town hall. I think in order to help the taxpayers understand what they're going to be
getting for their dollar, we have to be clear on what we're going to do with all the space we're freeing up, right? And and so I I would just ask that you not think about this as just one project, but the beginning of some dominoes. And
I I think we've got to do some explaining around the rest of it. Um so that would be my number one. I'd also encourage us um you know, number two, as we do the horse trading to, you know, don't spend $100,000 to to protect a
$50,000 piece of equipment, right? You you want to be mindful of what really needs that that storage and what doesn't. I mean, not every vehicle requires garages,
okay? The expensive invest, you know, things that you invest in, obviously, but a lot of people in downtown, they don't they don't have garages for their, you know, for their regular vehicles, right? So, I just be mindful of what you're asking for from people who may
not have that for their own vehicles. And I I think the um I think the last comment um I have is I would just really we we have to deliberate as a town on whether or not we want certain public safety
um activities to be on the other side of the highway. And I just would slow down that just to I I like the fact that you've planned and thought about, you know, and looked at the site to see if there were any showstoppers, but as far
as promoting, you know, the fire department moving over there, I I think we just need to slow that horse a little bit. So, so we have a deliberate deliberation across the town, right? For sure. So, a couple things on some of the comments you just
gave. Um, so one in terms of coal storage at our existing facility, you know, we actually did have several at least two coal storage buildings that had to be done, right? So like, you know, we are not necessarily asking for more than we've ever had, just more than
we have today, maybe. And I think we will we will definitely get more into the weeds on, you know, which piece of equipment warrants that sort of thing. But, you know, all of our all of the equipment that I'm envisioning, you know, sidewalk tractor and uh, you know, bigger dump trucks
that, you know, have the, you know, our brakes are rotting and uh, you know, different things like that. You know, those are multi00,000 pieces of, right? Yeah. And I'm not asking you to justify it now. I'm just saying the these are the things these are the questions people are going to ask. So, you'd want to have those answers. So, you know, so yeah, I think I think that's that's
certainly top of mind when we, you know, even when we got to where we are today. Um the other thing I I guess I would just say is that yeah certainly the uh public safety whether or not that can move up there and whether or not it's you know police and fire just one or the other um yeah that's totally up to
everybody I guess um as part of this uh part of our scope and you know getting to the next phase. So, you know, there was this money approved at town meeting and wanting to, you know, you know, we need to figure that out. Um before we you know put a bow on this or
sign off on anything, what we we think as a project team would be helpful would be to have either Summer or all of you guys as well as other stakeholders within the town kind of form a stakeholder committee where we kind of vet some of these things because making these decisions now or not even making
these decisions but just having these conversations now at a more workshop type environment rather than me presenting to you this that was going to be my next question is did you envision having some type of a right separate committee to evaluate.
So I think I think I think a couple of things one is like I think we should have a workshop meeting now with anybody that's interested and then I think we do need to have a stakeholder group task force or otherwise for the next phase of design for sure. Um, so you know that's something that we kind of wanted to
explain tonight. Take any feedback on this kind of like I said proof of concept even uh iteration and make sure that we can put a good bow on this before we move to the next phase. Great if you want to go to the next slide. I don't think we really had
too many more slides but you know that's again this was just kind of a general update. This is not a finalized plan. This is just kind of showing you that we did a lot of work and a lot of homework to get through this. Um, yeah, this is just more bullets that we can send the slides on. I don't think it's worth Yeah. Are these bays going to
be tall enough to get an excavator or anything like that in to work on? So, we only have a backo and a mini. Uh, it'll be big enough for our biggest piece of equipment, which dump trucks and to be able to be able to. So, you know, we're
not may or may not appear or so on the page, but the the size of the bays on this are the exact same that we would have at the that we have at the existing. If you um if you jump forward two more slides, Chuck, it has the um it
has the um um so great go to the next one. So, like these are kind of typical elevations uh that we were thinking. So at the very top there you have the administrative side. This has a little bit better you know as shown here not you know any
decisions have been made or anything but you know there are some architectural elements here that actually this is kind of modeled after the um doctor's office next door. So again the colors are just kind of there for a palette but the finishes and the finish uh you know
exterior that kind of stuff is in keeping with the next door neighbor. Again, this could be cement concrete block. This could be something else. But, you know, this is just kind of a concept that we're showing. Again, the the kind of middle there, that's the uh garage uh bays.
Again, could be CMU, could be, you know, sloped roof, could be a flat roof. Like, these are all decisions that would be made in the future. Um, but we wanted to kind of show like there was fair amount of thought that went into what it could be. Um, so is it planned to be a steel
building or would it I mean, you tell me. Right. So, and like there's a lot of faux finishes out there now that are almost as good. You know, we're not talking sheet or shake, but you know, definitely you can make it look sheeter shake, you know. So, again, this would
be a element that we would probably leave to a future stakeholder group, but you know, the concept is kind of there that, you know, we could throw directions of anybody online. I guess I just put it out there
perfectly honest. Uh what do you guys how do you guys want to make the decision on whether or not public safety or any element, you know, whether it's police or fire or neither or both? Build the first one first. Well, I well, I guess I would I think Chuck is saying that if if we knew we wanted to move
either police or fire to this campus, there may be some economies of scale in the planning and design. So, it's a valid question to ask. I I Littleton's doing the same thing right now. I think they're doing everything. Yeah.
So, I think we have to have a conversation about that though because in just in my mind, you know, the sensitivity is around the fire department. You know, Jake shows us the heat map every month of where the incidents are and they're nowhere near that, you know, so it's it putting fire
on the other side of the highway is a concern. Sure. police. I'm a little less um concerned about that because your people are patrolling always on the roads, right? Um so I could be really
open to that, but fire makes me really really nervous. So kind of to that point and where I was going was, you know, I think we need to at least talk more in depth about it at some point, not tomorrow. Um, but I think that uh for us
to make the best decisions for just DBW or any other potential, we need to kind of have a clearer direction. So, she isn't me. Would you suggest a public forum and what type of information would we bring to that? Um,
is that a good place? I guess to kind of there's a list of questions I have in my head is like do police and fire have to be together? What do would you want police to be at this? So, it's a DBW police which hasn't really been something we consider. Like I think that is actually a reasonable thing for us to program into the site without using that
little corner down below. U but we haven't programmed that because we haven't kind of had any of that conversation. It's always been police and fire together or so so I'm almost think I'm I'm almost thinking of this like the rotunda decision you know we had to we had to make we we had
different options that were bantied about and it came to a point where we had some concrete examples and cost of what that might entail. I wouldn't necessarily go to all of that detail for meeting number one, but
um it might be helpful to have an initial discussion with the residents on here are some options and here are the questions we'd have to answer in order to get to a decision. Um like I said, I personally the buyer is what makes me
nervous. Well, and so kind of to that point is if if it's not a campus solution, which was only ever kind of just proof of concept level at this location. Anyway, the previous thought was that police and fire shared would be at the Pleasant Street where the DPW opens up. If it's just fire that could
easily still occupy that spot, but are there other options that you're envisioning for a fire only or even a share or you know rehab and plate like so the level that we've gone to for DDW has been sighting analysis, so master plan and now this proof of concept area
taking into account maybe there's other potential needs that would go up there. If we were to do a sighting analysis just for fire department or just for public safety, we might be able to inform these decisions, but we have not done that yet. So that would be something I would ask you guys is if you want us to do that or so maybe it needs
to be budgeted and we need to do that level of analysis. But I need on on the graphic that you had up there on the corner of Atwater, was that an assumption that it was both police and fire? Right. So that footprint based on the square footages of and buildout area
that we needed um that that area would work. Uh and then we you know went the next level of boring you know survey you know making sure it would be a continuous. All right. Well my opinion is whatever happens it's going to be kind of a staged activity because the
money that's involved is not something that you're going to be able to spend in one shot. And in other words, it depends. I think it depends on the infrastructure. We haven't got to the numbers yet, but the numbers are significant. Can I ask a question? Sure. Uh I'm
sorry. He should ask that of me, not of him. That's to the chair. Thank you. Uh and this is actually too is Pleasant Street. There are areas that might be compromised. Okay. Where housing wouldn't be
appropriate. Okay. Uh there are areas we can put housing down there, but the whole the whole site is not a minimal. It probably couldn't put housing the entire site. Would that then make I think
that's I have a big I'm a big fan of putting everything together with one place. Okay. But if if that becomes a problem, then we can kill two birds with one stone by taking that contaminated or that less than desirable area that is questionable. put the fire department
there and put uh so there's I think that's something to consider as well. I guess where you're going I like where you're going and thinking about in order to really fully assess our options. You did a site evaluation of School Street. Do we have a comparable site evaluation
of Pleasant Street and do we really know are we sure which areas could be used for housing versus not? Have we already done that analysis? Well, if you're talking about just the soil analysis, yeah, I think that's where we would have to get into an MCP evaluation or a 19E.
Um, and so that is like one of those things that could be, you know, if you found something that is extremely like a VOC that has a reportable limit, you know, and not knowing what we did at that DPW yard, you know, over the last hundred years,
it's very hard to say what we could find in the soil. It could be totally innocuous and just the normal like hydrocarbons, petroleums, those are easily remediated. But if it's something else that you know is more like the burn dump mind street, that's obviously a
different closing our eyes and pretending it hadn't happened is a bad strategy. No. And that's I don't think what we're suggesting. I think it's just a matter of when they occur. If you go in and you take a sample and you find something bad, you have to deal with it.
You have to act. You have to act on. There's no, oh, we'll deal with this in five years, you have to act immediately. So, that's kind of the the balancing act where if we're doing it on an existing site that we're using that could really
hamper things. Okay. Ah, okay. So, right. Yeah. My my my thought is what kind of echoing one of the things one of the many things said um is the duplication of office of of
administrative space that perhaps rather than having a separate building for whatever public safety we share have some possibility of adding on to the uh administrative area for the DPW.
um not building it right away but having it designed so that it can be expanded and share the larger spaces. That that picture looks lovely but it looks like it's the size of town hall. How much square? It does look that way.
We need some scale to We need some scale. If you if you take a plan like that to the taxpayers and you say we're going to build an administrative facility for the DPW that's as large as town hall,
I don't think right. So I I want to be mindful of again the sharing of administrative space. What are we going to do with the space we're freeing up here if your offices are moved there? Um, we've got to answer that question. I
think also fire department. I know there's some equipment there that probably needs some protection from the water, but do we really have to move it? Is that a is that I know the police department floods regularly, but is there is there a mandate for us to move
the fire department? So I just think there are a few things we need to um tell the whole story about what what are the requirements is really what I'm asking to focus on requirements. What problems are we trying to solve and we've got to get clear on that and then
we can start talking about designs. Um you know you're trying to protect some equipment that you that don't have that doesn't have protection right now. You need some privacy and office space. Well I don't want to sell a short. We have done a lot of that and we have I'm talking about communicating it not that
you haven't done the work. It's I'm talking about to the communicating it to the people who you're going to ask to pay. Right. So I guess that's that's why here tonight communicate but also to set up the next phase which I believe should be some sort of workshop so we can vet out these question and whether it's a
public meeting or just an open meeting with you know not the entire board but life members and other boards that you know have vested interest like happy to do that. We we need to do that. I'm that's what I'm promoting. Um so you
tell me I I want to go back to this issue about the testing of the existing site pleasant because a lot of this planning and moving around is expecting that you can use that site for something else. Are those borings or deter that
that testing is going to have to be done one way or another at some point? So, we've talked to the um uh LSP that did the work at the Burndum just to kind of tell them our thought process here. And what they recommended was doing some sort of desktop analysis first, shorter
money to kind of get a feel, you know, do some interviews, do some research, come up with a, you know, memo report type thing. That's prior to taking samples and getting those samples, which is what Nate's talking about. That will have to be done for sure, but doing it
now you want to wait till the new house is built or close. Yeah. So, yeah, I think yeah, we will get there, but it's so what if we get a small group together to at least sketch out some options, right, that are worth
pursuing and bringing to a public forum. That make sense? when you say it's small group um who would you s what demographic? So um what would the major other than the
select board right who who would be some major stakeholders? Well, so just in terms of boards committed, I think planning board because this is in the LCD, so we need a special permit no matter what. We also there's step back requirements that we may or may not be able to meet whether we do this plan or a different one. So,
you know, planning board at some level, you know, concomide where the buffers are right there. So, you know, no matter what we will be, you know, with concom um after that, I think it's probably a couple.
Definitely makes sense. And some forward and massage. So what is the next you know let's just say we get this group together to sketch out some options worth pursuing using the facilities master plan as a kind of
a road map high level road map right um what is the next step that what is the next set of input you need to take whatever your next step is what would we be asking that team to do
as a deliverable Oh, you know, well, so I guess we could present what we've done to date at a more detailed level than we did tonight because like I said, tonight was just a proof of concept check in what we do. So, you know, we had done a lot of extra work uh
on you know why we made these decisions and so I would relate that to the group. Uh, and then we need some path forward on um, you know, I still think we might be into the next level of design, which means the next appropriation before we
can definitively say, you know, we're cutting out 20% of the square foot, you know, stuff like that. Like we're not there yet. So I Yeah, I in terms of like existing space, potential uses of this base that we're mating or dealing with. I'm going to ask you to do something I
always ask you to do the opposite of. So bear with me. I'm going to ask you to put your engineering hat on. Okay. I should take ask you to take it off. Right. That's with requirements, right? I think it makes sense to get when you
talk about bringing people up to speed. I I do think it makes sense to bring that small group up to speed on what the requirements are, what you think the requirements are because sometimes you have to do some horse training on the requirements, right, before you go too
far on the design. That that's my concern is we haven't really deliberated on requirements and and and that has some benefit to it. Maybe we need some kind of overlay of what we have now plus what we've lost
over the years and overlay it on top of what you have here to see what the differences are. Also, I'd like to a lot of that we addressed in the initial DPW. So, there was a signing assessment that compared
Pleasant Street has DPW versus this site has DPW. So that I think gets into the first phase of that. Obviously this is built out a little bit differently because you know more information now more time. Um
so that's kind of where we're at in terms of those things just just to keep the scope within what could be managed. Let's not put that group in charge of figuring out what what can be done with the existing site. What I would like to do is sit down or have I'd like to see the
three two three two chiefs Chuck sit down and find out if in fact it's viable as an entire municipal society on there's pros and cons to that as well before we start getting too far ahead if all of a sudden well that's what that's
what I mean by requirements okay requirement is what problem are you trying to solve okay that's what a requirement and updating okay so we put the two chiefs into this um task force or do they become
consultants for the task force? Sounds to chief. I mean I was hoping I would be involved. Okay. Yes, I would think so. If I may ask, when you when you defined that area up at the corner of Atwater did you have in mind or has
there been any study about how many how much square footage a police department needs? Right. So that that's part of the plan master master plan has so that number exists. Yeah. And we were transposing that on that area. So we Okay. So you know that's why proof of concept wise we're there. I purposely
told our consultants not to put building on there show the area because I thought showing the building would get a little too and and and that was we do exactly this kind of discussion. Yeah. And the police department and the fire department. I mean those were two footprints that you kind of put up there
and say you can fire this in somehow right and again think two level so you know there's police fire you know you have garage area down low and then administrative on top kind of similar to DPW we're showing
although can change Um, my initial thought is to put some put together a Cricut article with some of these pictures and a description of what we're looking for and ask seek um
volunteers volunteers. Yeah. Y and so if we had like we did the TA task force on the facility master plan. So we should be able to do another edition of but it's more specific. It's about we're ready
to start you know in earnest um designing some of these building discern determining which buildings we need and where they need to be and we want some atlarge residents to participate in a task force right and so
um think that's a although that top picture scares me. Well that's what I'm saying. I I'm not sure I would post a picture if you tell a building town hall. I mean, that's just it. What is the square footage of that? Yeah, I I understand. We don't have a perspective
on the thighs. It just looks scary. That's all. I don't know. Leila, the architect's on the call. Laya, do you know off the top here how the square footage is of the administrative area? I don't I don't know that we even put that little more detail. No, we just It exists, but I don't think we Yeah. Can
you guys hear me? Yep. Yeah. Okay, we we we see that about like the first floor and the maintenance bays altogether is about 16,000 square feet. And keep in mind that under that administrative wing, there's a lot of support spaces that function with the maintenance bay
and you know for the staff when they come after incidents. The second floor is just about 5,000 square feet. That's five. And how big is this building? How big is this building? So total total square footage alto
together would be approximately uh 12,000 square feet. I'm sorry my question was how big is town hall? Oh, sorry that I cannot say. Think about 12. This building is 12,000 square feet. Six over six. Well, the three floors,
but right. Based on what Leila's saying, the administrative size, Leila, is roughly five over five. Yeah. In terms of of footprint, but yes, it is what it is. I mean, I'm not shying away
from it. You know, there are spaces that we don't have now that are programmed into here. There are consolidation of spaces that make sense. Um, I think there's a whole floor over at seaside one that would come over here in the future. Build that scenario. So, like we have thought about these things.
Um, but we also have to consider that the basement of this building is flooded with maybe a meeting space that it can flood, but it doesn't become office space. We had an emergency response training that we couldn't hold at any town
building, you know, just last month. It's quite But that's what I mean about the requirements before we start talking design. When you talk requirements with people, it helps them understand the why and and you don't get any money unless
they understand the why. So, um I really think that's going to be our first um focus. And if I may say just a quick because you know from the architect also engineering perspective this is where the floor plans which are the ones that come to the core and which we dug into
very much with with Nate and Chuck's feedback about what is needed and the whole thing was this was supposed to be pretty much pragmatic based on operations and feedback and lessons learned from how things you know would need to be improved or could move
forward in the future. So I do think yes when we put elevations it's just to give a general sense of what the aesthetics could look like and we put the first one and the second one but the meat and the core of this went into the programmatic relationships between the spaces that are really perceived mostly in the
plants. Are we ready to put together the task force? Sorry. And I'm afraid I mean, I can quarterback it. Like I'll I just want to get you guys on board, but you know, I'll reach out to the chairs of various boards we've talked about. I'll put out some of the dealers to the town. I'll
put out an article. I I think we for all of our task forces and committees we do an open posting right so we determine what the makeup of the task force would be who has to be represented and then usually it's the chairs of those comm or
those committees themselves decide who's going to be represented on the task force and where you know the atlarge we would do an open posting and see who's interested in interview okay um In the MBTA we
use people um um I've got if you have one from the planning board one from the concom um probably two at large police and fire and so
DPW sounds and select whether I said it or not, it's on. How many is that? Two, three, two, two for TPW. Eight, nine.
Yeah. I think that's where we're going. And when they meet need to guide them your um um requirements and
um this presentation more or less. Yeah. No, so we'll I think I see it doing you know get the people in a group. We'll just kind of give them the you know the nickel tour if they want it plus you know all this kind of background information. Help them digest that. uh
listen to whatever feedback they have or questions they have on those things and then the next meeting will be the one where we really dive into how many people you got you got nine or 10 I lost track two at large fire and police that's four how many from DVW and so I think probably two
from DVW probably that's a big two that's 10 Yeah, that's 10. That's why I was just doing the math. Just add me a name or including including you. That's it. You have there too. Be easier if I was.
Okay. So, you will put together something with the cricket announcing that we're putting together a task force. Did you did you review and evaluate um plans for this space? Do you guys envision the commitment
being through final design or just to get to design? That's a good question. I mean a lot of most towns I know they they have these facilities task force whenever there's a big building. I I haven't done it in the public se sector
only the private sector. So I don't know. I would guess that we would look for a different set of people for this initial evaluation. Yeah. Rather than they know when we get to the second task force first task
force decision stamp. But yeah. Yeah. So that's why I asked what the deliverable is expected to be out of this particular task force. Is it is it um scope? Is it requirements? Is it budget?
What do we what do we want in the deliverable of this task? Scope seems options. What I mean we'll say scope and look see if it's worth it to have police and fire up there as part of
the whole thing. I think we're at a point where we should look for recommendation of this task force on outcomes for this site, not necessarily not just DPW,
right? at all. And then based on that, you know, that will include taking looks at and a deeper dive than we're prepared to tonight on School Street and Pleasant Street.
School tree and fire station. Um, but so so I think we should we should take a look at the whole picture, but I'm not going to be able to push us. So, was it really from a scope standpoint? Is it really three? It's DPW by itself. DPW plus police, DPW plus full public
safety. And and where this meaning of those three? Focus this task force on this site. Yeah, that's what he's suggesting. I'm
beginning to think that maybe we should ask the DPW to come up with a list of what they want from the task force. So take it up, get it started at our next meeting rather than
trying to sort out all of the options right now. So you can come back. Yes, exactly. Debbie with maybe the list of of groups is different but come back with a concrete recommendation for what you would like
to have done for the deliverables for the task so the the result of tonight is that lots of things are doable in school street right that's really the bottom line no showers kind of wise programming wise
like We can we can make it all work. We're we're not looking for a footprint out of this group, per se. You've got a footprint up here, but that's really just to demonstrate that this can work. Yeah. Proof of concept is what that's all it is. We actually had other proof of concepts, but I didn't want to try and go through concepts. No, that's
where you're getting way out over the skis on that. Okay. Okay. We um just totally messing everything up here. because that's what they do.
Uh first Baptist Church site up big enough for everything. We didn't look at it for everything. Uh we could I mean we can apply the same principles that we have in the facility master plan to
land swap. Okay. With the church that gets fire this side of 128. worth making a phone call. Yeah, we can look at the acreage and the again the kind of buildable areas
there's a little bit I mean that's what I'm thinking will be an issue for them too is it let me ask you this is it worth I can make a phone call make a phone call yes of course phone call absolutely well I'd
like to hear I don't want to I don't want spend any time on it if if after a cursory look at this thing is too bad this cursor look and if you get back to me then we can certainly make a phone call and see if that's something that they would because they're just doing nothing over there at this point. Yeah,
but they're not going to like me up on I mean ditching everything that they've already done but it's worth it's worth the ask. The ask doesn't cost any money at all. I think we've done what we can tonight. Great. Appreciate it. Thank you very
much. Thank you. Next one. Let's do this again sometime. I'm going to ask that we let the people for the sculpture go ahead of you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate
Santa here. Um, thank you. We only saw five members on the other website, so we only Thank you. Thank you. You can find it. Okay. Thank you. We can share.
I hope that this is going to be the fun topic of the evening because art is always beautiful. My name is Vani. I am a sculptor. I was chosen by uh the New England Art Magazine as emerging artist
for 2024. I'm also the exhibition chair of the New England Sculptor Association. We represent over 200 sculptors across New England. I had a dream about a mermaid here and my art goal is to awaken the
connection between human and nature and this mermaid would do this property because Atlantis the tides keeper that's the name of the mermaid she will be placed in Moscow there is a perfect spot
for her actually two and then we will have to see what's the test and she would interact with the tide. The tide would submerge her up to her shoulder when it's high and will unveil her body when it's low tide. It's something that
does not exist in the United States or America or no world. There are two sculptures that have that interact with the tides and they are in England. One is a sculpture of a bunch of horses
and another one is a sculpture of military guys. But a mermaid doesn't exist. And there's something magical and beautiful about having a mermaid that gets submerged by the tide because it reminds us of our connection with nature
and it's something magical that would add a lot of character to the town. Um, it could become a permanent landmark that reflect reflects Manchester identity because it's Manchester by the Sea. There is definitely a connection with the sea and the ocean. Atlantis
because it's on the Atlantic Ocean, but also because it's a reminder of the lost city of Atlantis permit. So there's a lot of potential of potential because this little mermaid, this mermaid because she would
be lifesize um for example could become even more um known than the little mermaid of Copenhagen, which is a touristic attraction where u everyone from the
whole world that goes and uh is in. So then um to help me achieve this goal I have um as I've been chosen by the mean art magazine as an emerging artist they already shown some interest
in featuring my next public project. So there would be articles. I would use the New England Sculptor Association as an help to publicize this project which I think that is so unique that will speak
uh on its own but I have ways of promoting it. I would donate my time and skills to do it. So to and I would take my time. Beautiful. It's called a beautiful mermaid and uh uh and I would
cast it in bronze. So everyone that I spoke to about this project was in love with it. And I already found some privates and also like a corporate that is willing to um give me money to fund
the project. Uh so I'm confident that I will find the money to do this. So, I'm not asking for money or anything, but I will I will also explore like public grants. We have like a a grant writer for the New England Culture Association that is very good at this and can
definitely help me uh go forward with this project. Um, I was thinking that it would be nice to include maybe a plaque on site with the donor names because this is a dream and also uh this makes
me think of the United States as a place where you you can still like make a dream come true and from a dream that I had because I I really had this vision, a dream, I'm here now speaking to you guys and maybe with the effort of the
whole community and beyond pond, we would be able to make it happen and make this like a unique feature for a beautiful pond that would manifest. So, it's a very inspirational piece because it makes you realize that a dream can come true.
So um I just I'm before exploring everything else. So the installation that I will definitely have to um consult with the marine structural engineer and I also have uh our
president of the New England sculptor association that has done many projects like this. Um so I have ways of getting informations and making this installation safe and secure and suitable for an environment. It would be
a bronze. So bronze is very safe and actually it ages really beautifully. So we will not even maybe have to do a patina because the ocean gives the the piece a beautiful verdigree patina with time. So it just like will change and beautify itself with time.
So basically what happens is I sculpt the original model in clay and then uh bring it to the foundry. They make a lost wax model and then they cast in bronze and um
um so what I really would like to understand is I am supported by the town to pursue this dream because I am the only thing I really would need help with is being guided towards like what's my
next step because I believe that I will need to maybe speak to uh the conservation land or the harbor master and and so I would like to be to understand if it's something that you guys feel like supporting me and then I
will do the work the job on my own uh with friends and helpers and the new sculptor association but before like putting time and my heart into this I need to understand if on your side
there's willing to you have this vision like me and you can see this mermaid when you are when you are at Moscow if you can picture something like this that gets it would be different this is a mermaid that I already did for
the new for the heritage garden museum and I changed the tail so it would be different which part of the har so exactly where in the harbor so basically when we are when we are sitting at the benches is we look in front of us and we
see there is like two places that are perfect and and and there's all there's there's one that's connected to Masco and then there's another piece that's been that comes down was the other side of the title gate. Okay. Yes. And this
would be ideal because it's very central and uh and it would bring so Gloucester as the fisherman and Gloucester is a bigger town. Every town has something but this is so unique and so magical. I'm also thinking the families, the
kids, the people not from here wondering, you know, if they they will have to check the tide to know if they're going to be able to see the old mermaid. There's the sense of awe and magic that goes very well with this town because it's so beautiful. You have the church bells that plays wonderful music.
We have the best sunsets and I think that this would be something that can add can beautify the place and make make it even more an artistic town and a destination for tourism. So yeah, pass it around to look at it.
cultural council. Who else would be able to have a say in this and and bon and those are the three that come to mind. Cultural council
those those are the three. Yeah. There you have more problem than that. Nice soft. I just think it all right on the head. That location. Have you worked with bronze in uh salt water before? I'm
just wondering tide going up and down. And I got no problem with salt water necessarily interacting with it. Do you wind up with seaw seaweed and a slime that you have to get rid of uh every month or something or No, it's very safe
and as I said there are multiple sc now there has been there's been even like underwater sculptural garden that have been made with this material and they just age beautiful because she's a she's a being that belongs to the the ocean.
So even if we have an allergy on the tail, it's just going to beautify that the stuff going to grow. But I don't but yeah, I think that that's uh the least of our concerns and as maintenance. I'm here so I would be willing to do if there is any maintenance, but there's no
maintenance to be done most likely with the bronze because it's a material that is environmentally safe but also like age on its own. So an intriguing uh offer. I put I might put DPW on the list. I don't know how
something like this gets installed, but maybe DPW would have to be involved in that in some way. I don't know. Start with Bion. I mean, everything. Oh, no. Start with him. It's got to know. Yeah, he's got Marine, you know, might even be
Tom Baker. Tommy Baker and uh it's basically one big mooring. Big Yeah, it's really moing. Oh, sorry, wrong word. Um, I think what we're prepared to say is that we're intrigued. Yeah. I'd like to take
it to the next level and and and um but we would like you get in touch with the organizations that that Greg has has listed um and um get their approval
and come back and and we will say assuming that everybody else is as we are. So could I when I contact them could I say that I have your support in this or not? Thank you for considering it and it
would be a lovely gift. Thank you these other council and you know landscape you know competed with glass like adding more to it. So I I don't predict that it's going to supplant the rotunda. Oh, there might be something. That's
what I was asking about. Yeah, it's complete. And I think that it's it's it's a unique piece in the whole world. So, if we do market this correctly and I will do my part for it, uh I think that
this can become huge because it's a it's a unique piece. I I can see people traveling to see this from all over the world. Well, right off of Masano is a perfect spot. It really is. She belongs there. Parking in particular. I wouldn't go
with them right away. That's really purely installation. I'd really I go after Bion right now. Like the harbor master. The harbor master and talk to the health the conservation agent. Yeah. back to the we can we can give you some contacts. Okay. So, oh my god. And we
can we can email you some. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so happy and so excited to bring this vision to life because I think it's going to it's going to be beautiful and it's also going to be so inspiring for everyone
because seeing that us as a community can bring this live, me with my gift, uh some other people making a donation, some others with their time, you know, it's just like a a community effort to birth together something beautiful. All
thank you very much. Good luck. I really appreciate it. Have a good night. Yes. Thank you. I can't just go these days. I guess you guys have my memo summary
quick kind of time restricted last few weeks but any questions without going through it couple further updates from what's in there but I got a
question or the town meeting going on in Essex right now about the school budget which directly affects one of your employees. So depending on which budget goes through um we were notified by the
school that uh her position potentially could be cut to 50%. So the reimbursement would be 50% which been figured out is 2.5 days should be attached to the school fully funded. We're going back to
where we and which is five days. So would you have work for her the other two and a half days if that I'm sure you have work. The question
might be you have budget. I mean, she's fully budgeted through us and the school reimbursees us at the end of the year. But if the school didn't reimburse you as much, right, would you still be able to cover it? Okay, understand.
So, Daisy's is safe for all. Daisy's safe. We have three, as you see my memo, we have three corporate sponsors for the summer. Uh, I think one more coming in, I hope. Uh, Manchester Marine, um, Manchester Electric
and the Rotary. So, Tiffany's working with those three groups and show Daisy will wear her their their emblem for the month and then she's going to spend a day actually at Manchester Marine just hanging
out. We got a weekend day in the summer. That's really wonderful. She seems like it's a diva. That's all I can see on the sleep mask. Really mask for so she can
sleep deeper. Um the Capean emergency uh or regional planning committee is uh up and running. It's we have a lot of uh irons in the fire so to speak. finalizing the regional shelter plan.
That's been kind of tough um getting the final details with Gordon College, but I got an email today. I think that's uh coming to the end. Um we're planning on a a hazmat tabletop exercise based in Cape,
a hazmat, a major hazmat incident and how we would respond to that. Um, we're having a Northshore emergency management uh sustainability conference. Um, and one of the things that's kind of further down the list,
but a traffic plan, how we evacuate Cape Man, similar to what Cape Cod has. And then we're going to uh expand the uh RECC to uh regional dispatch, Red Cross, going to bring in the hospitals, Ley uh
with Beverly and Addison Gilbert. uh some of the bigger uh companies in in Gloucester with applied materials, Gordon's obviously Cape Man uh transportation authority, America, and then we're going to incorporate all the
public health entities. So, uh that's up and running. And then one of my new notes that's not in this uh memo is in September, Hamilton got a grant uh to support a active shooter drill regionally. So, it's going to be a a
rather large drill. We have our first meeting tomorrow and that was funded by uh NERC. So, uh looking forward to that very expansive train. So, that was pretty much it. Um
as as you see in my personal highlights, still sit on the Mass Chief School Safety and Security Committee. Um the emergency preparedness for town is uh obviously top top priority. Um looking
into a certification course uh at Babsy College um that uh trains me in how to do threat assessment for buildings. Uh but I've been weight listed for that. Unfortunately, I was really looking forward to that. Uh and as you can see
uh don't know if you noticed working on driving on 127 Bridge Street and Summer Street. The speed limits have been finally changed. Yeah. The result of the bike and condition. And then uh that's pretty much it with
the highlights. No, I I really appreciate all of the reporting, the detail associated with this emergency planning because that in general is invisible to the citizen. Okay. It's invisible to a lot of us. It's something you don't need until you
need it. And then if you haven't got it, it's it's a real problem. So it's very educational. We've come a long way in the last five to seven years, especially since Chief McN has been on board in some training and, you know, finally
getting our plans up to date. Yeah. Modernized. So it's it looks like you're in the kind of the final a lot of things are are really coming and the whole KAN uh regional emergency planning committee that all was pretty much uh spearheaded
from the tabletop exercise we had here that was one of the outcomes. So it really was two years ago or when was it? Yeah about two years ago I guess. So no that's good. I appreciated that. I I just might have one question. H how is your
overtime going? Because I know that you got more or less fully staffed now. Yeah. And I know you had big problems the last couple of years. We were down but I have an an employee on maternity leave. I have employee out long term. Um
so overtime is is there but it's we're cut down to two persons on a shift. So there's no one in the office pretty much. Yeah. Uh seven days a week. Uh we are taking a look at uh weather for certain nights that we will put that
third person on how uh if we had to do it on on Friday night. We had 150 kids come from out of town from another school system that they had to deal with. So we had to upstaff that night or actually call people to to help. We had our mutual aid
request from Essics. But overtime is right now it's not it's slim. Okay. I mean it's it's close to budget. Close to budget. Yeah. We're a little bit down from where we were last year just because of the two people that we All right. You know I know the last few
years because of well various issues it was like 2x 3x or whatever. So it's it's close. Okay. Good. Well great. to that point to your point. Uh I was at Bravo Friday night when the whole hordes came off the beach and I you know Sean Mullen
was it was a great I thought the the police presence was there uh and it was impressive. We actually got word that they were coming to town. So we met them at the train. Officer Johnson and Sergeant
Gillson really laid the law down. This night went very smooth. Those are the things we have to plan for especially this time of year. It was impressive. Thank you. Yeah. No, thank you for all your hard work and your department and uh things
look good. So, it's great. Got a couple of questions. I always do. Um I I really like the um partnerships, the regional partnerships that you've established over the past few years. I just think that's fantastic. Question on a more local issue, parking enforcement.
I saw the the notifications come out that we're going to start enforcing the rest parking and and everything, but the additional safety sticks that you have, you said you're still hiring parking enforcement officers. Are you going to expand where they go or how's that going
to work? That's the plan. So, we're going to expand the areas up School Street, up Pine Street, uh down Bridge Street towards Ashley. Okay. And and then we'll see where that goes. And then I think Sergeant Luke has a plan developed for them. Okay. Uh and
then he will obviously put that into place. But one of the things we like I said we are doing expanding in those locations. Uh the other place is Coachfield playground regular patrol school as well. And going by White Beach. White Beach. Yeah. They they they
do that on a routine basis. Great. That was um so that was one question. The other question is in in other areas of town hall. We've had a lot of discussion recently about secession planning. So how's yours? Uh I could walk out the door tomorrow and
Mark could sit in my seat uh without any issues at all. uh we are he is uh weight listed for the national academy and he's weight listed for the uh uh PEF the police executive research uh executive training. So let me ask a question.
Okay, 10 minutes ago we talked about a task force and you said you'd love to be on it. Who's going to be on it? Um because this that that's really what I I think is important is if we have an internal candidate we're trying to
develop it's it's got to be done out in the open. Yeah. Right. Um because you're not the decision maker on on who that is. And so, um, we should start seeing more of any
internal candidate that you think wants to compete for that position. Yeah, absolutely. And I think he's he's ready to go forward and do that type. Uh, you will see him more when we get
into the budget season this year. Um, you've already When's your next vacation? It could be. Guess what? You leave somebody in charge with
without you answering your email. I always do. If I go overseas, I have a personnel order that automatically goes out there. Just uh to that point, I've seen my at basketball games. Okay. Football games.
Okay. Where I don't see him, right? I think he was at the uh little league parade. He was so know there is he is out in visible visibility in the community. But what I'm talking about is visibility in
demonstrating the skills necessary to step into a higher level position. Leaving him in charge with you saying don't call me, go on vacation is the absolute best thing you can do. The more frequently you do that, the better. Right?
They're talking about it and then it's doing it right. But that's that's how people get prepared. Congratulations. Yeah. That's great. Another quarter. Another quarter of improved and we're on baby
watch. I have my second grand. I was going to say Any minute that's how we can walk here. Yeah. Grandchildren. That's Are you a papa? What are you? Papa. Papa. Yeah. We
discussed this with you. Grandpa. I was supposed to be grandpa. But you know you don't choose the names. No, I don't. Now you got to choose the names. True. Good luck. Hopefully tonight.
All right. Thank you guys. Yep. Thank you. We'll see you. Oh, thank you for your patience. Stand here. No, by the sea. here uh with a request
um to raise the progress flag on the town hall on May 31st. We delineate what's the town flag is nearest the street. Oh, so this is the flag pole in front of the town
hall and we're going all the way over here. Yes, by the farthest party away that you could possibly get from the city. Um, so will the United States flag be removed and the progress flag you put in
place? The Manchester town flag will be removed. But that town flag, if you look at the half staff right now, there's not room for a second flag. That's because it's at half staff, right? So if it should be needed to be attached after
the month of June but happens to be and why is it that we could not apply the progress given that we already have an official town the official town is the one closest to the
street who is that's not a flag anymore. That is a flag that is in control of religion. That was voted on the last meeting I was
at and previous years before that, our town manager identified that flag pole as a town flag pole. And I believe in the last meeting I was at, um I I'm sorry. Do you want us to fly the pride flag or do you want to have a fight with
the legion? Like I I was unaware that the legion now own is the owner of what was the town. Is that is that what you're I'm just trying to clarify. So I I agree with Hope that in previous conversations when
we have raised the pro um progress flag um we talked about the the only poll that we had as the town flag pole. I believe last year the select board changed made a decision to add a flag
pole in a different spot. Um, personally I don't remember whether or not both were deemed town flag poles or not, but we added a new flag pole in in the front and we called it the flag. But hope is correct and it was for
commemorative flags. Commemorative flag was the operative that was the word. But she is correct that in all previous years when I've been on the board, the other flag pole was addressed at the town. Yeah. So all commemorative flags will be flown from the new flag. That's
what was voted on last year underneath the United States flag. So the current flag that you have underneath the United States flag is only a very small That's what we had. That's all we had, right? Yep. That's what we had. That's what we
had. We had five. We didn't want I I think we did not want the American flag to be up there by itself. Was that we had didn't really talk about it? Then we stuck it up. It was not a huge decision to put the Manchester flag. You
found it, right? You had it. Yep. Yep. Pulled out of a draw. So um my question is so the United States flag will remain and if when the uh flags are at half staff which they are currently there's not room other than for your very small
flag that you have the flag pole that you've installed does not permit room for a normalsiz flag to be flown under the United States. So what happens? We're talking about flag protocols at
future meeting. Put that on our So is our new flag pole shorter? No, it's the same height as the other flag pole. It has a a mechanism in the center of it so it doesn't permit for another fulls size flag to be flown at half. So
that's different than Well, this one looks beautiful. I take a look when you want. The the there is a kind of there's an uplight and the uplight interferes with the Okay. I didn't understand the logistics with the the other the other one had an uplighting and it got beat up
with the ali and broke rather than replace it which cost a lot of money. They've got a couple of spotlights and a couple of other spots to but that's the other that's the other one somebody else but there was there was a similar structure on that. Yeah, it's quite taken when you go outside today. I've
been there. I just didn't understand what the conversation means. So, yeah. So um so I think the question is if we have an how first of all my question is how much
longer is the flag going to be at half staff based on I don't know that this is this is something that we need to discuss in the in the flag discussion because it's it's asked half staff
um on the decision of a town employee to commemorate the death the the memory of a recently possessed deceased town boy. It was for my dog. Maybe it was for your dogs. I don't know. I'm really sorry about your dog.
Um so we don't So we have an issue that we don't know why the flag isn't half staff. Oh, we do. Okay. It was somebody's decision. Okay. Got it. So we have an operational issue here. It's time they said they're going to fly. I I I just don't know that. I
can find out. But you whose decision is it? But you don't know what's going to happen in June. Anything could happen in June that would So yeah. So you either um fly the commemorative flag at half and not have the American flag on it or you remove the commemorative flag for
those days that the American flag is not half. Those are two choices. So you choose one and you move forward. Okay. So, this is why we're having a follow-up meeting on the flag logistics because the flags that have staff without the select board being part of
that decision. Yeah. Typically, you have lower most of the time it comes from a state director or a federal director. Right. Exactly. You know, I don't know if other flag polls that are commemorative flag pole have a American flag always on it.
That's what I was going to add. I don't I don't They typically do. It's just Yeah. So, we we have to make that determination at the next meeting, but that's not uh Okay. So, how about I move that the select board proclaim the month
of June as LGBTQ plus month in the town of Manchester by the Sea and sign a proclamation to be presented on June 3, May 31st. May 31st. Okay. June 1st is a Sunday. May 31st. Could I ask for an edit to
that? Could it be the LGBTQ plus pride month? Pride month. Yes. That's the whole reason. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And so when will that meeting be for to determine what happens to the
collaborative pride flag if there should be it should need to be two weeks our department's meeting two weeks from tonight still in May so motion on the table second I second
further discussion Yes. Yes. Yes. Answers yes. John, yes. Just a point of clarification. So, does the the other older flag pole now belong to the American? It's part of the honor role. It's part
of the honor role. It is not the old flag pole. It is a totally different flag pole. Yeah. They took down and destroyed or trashed the old bowl and put up their own bowl. Okay. So, it's the American
Legion owns that. No, no, they have responsibility, but they don't own the flight. The town owns I'm just trying to get I understand exactly where that's it. Do we own for example? So,
here's here's my confusion, which when we when the select board voted to add the second flag pole, I don't remember did we disposition that other flag pole to the American Legion or did
we retain it as a town flag pole and just said we're adding a second flag pole for commemorative flags? I don't remember. We should go back to that meeting and understand what we voted on which may have been something in addition to adding the second flag pole.
I think we added the flag pole. I'm pretty sure the wording was this is the town flag pole, the new flag pole and it was silent on the old flag pole. That that's my concern is we to answer Hope's qu I'm not sure we can answer Hope's question because we may not
have made a statement about the other flag pole which in previous years we always talked about it as the town flag pole. So but I think we also decided the second flag pole would be for commemorative flag. No we did but because this is the mood point at this
point it's not this is a discussion for another time. Yep. It is we could go back to the recording of that discussion and I think we need to be just clear on what we voted on or what we didn't vote
on in that last meeting when we have the next discussion in two weeks. That's my recommendation. Thank you very much. Thank you. Have a nice evening. Thank you. Um okay. Um on the employee and
volunteer of the year awards um I move that u we recognize uh Tiffany Marleta as A1 A number one. No, no. We're I We're not going to I We're going to vote on
Tiffany Marlet. Okay. We're not going to discuss You could just say you propose a and then once we have a vote on that, then you can Okay. Just let that cat out of the back. I thought we had a consensus. Yeah, we
do. We do. So rather than Brian remember who's a and who's one, but when was the actual announcement supposed to be? Depends how you want to handle it. We've already handled this.
We've already handled one. We still have another we haven't handled yet. So do we want to handle that one differently? the question. Okay. Make a motion on A. I think it's done. But yeah, I'll make a motion on a
second. Brian, yes. Jeff, yes. Kathy, yes. Dan says yes. And John says yes. Okay, John here. Okay, now I will make a motion that the board support number one
volunteer. I'm the volunteer as a as a volunteer. Second of the year. Yes. Notain. Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes.
Yes. Congratulations. It's all a mystery. Okay. I I think we should fly information off the new flag kind of like watching a post. So, so when would you like to give this presentation
at our next meeting? You're not here. You're not here. That's okay. Oh, but we can we can delay it until you're back in June. But maybe Yeah, first meeting in June. First meeting in June. Okay.
What's going on? Okay. Um, uh, let's see. We've heard enough nothing from the governor tonight. Um, I will say uh, the, um, historic district commission this coming Thursday, a hearing on 22
union. Well, frankly, it will be a public hearing, so that won't happen until the following month. So, it's on the agenda, but it will just be um to decide if there should be a formal public hearing, which will happen. And so, there really won't be a whole lot that will happen in this month, but
there will be a lot that will happen in June. They have sent out plans and um you know, I think you're probably aware they would like to build a couple, you know, duplex there and there'll be a lot of opinions on it. So just uh there
was a meeting last week with members of planning board, CBA, historic district, downtown improvement, select board, the developer is some of this information as they go forward. So they have reached out to try
to get some community in. I I I believe that they that period before the district commission we'll say in December and we gave them certain feedback and I know that they've been digesting that they come up with two often at this point we're still so I
understand so I understand that one when one they one they've submitted along with their their application but I know they have a plan B so we'll see so that's uh that's what's happening and um so far as The seniors are concerned,
they're happy about what happened last Monday and looking for the next steps. Um, excuse me. Um, regarding the downtown improvement committee, um, they have been partnering really closely with, um, the chamber of commerce on a
presentation to help foster um, to entice businesses to come to Manchester. So Steve Carheart worked real closely with Jim Brown and they they presented a presentation that they could they're working on collateral. They can actually go to a business and say here's why you
want to come to Manchester. They did a a really nice job and they're refining that. Um and they're trying to get some current business owners to be ambassadors to to try and you know bring some other businesses in. They've also um uh been trying to reach out to some
grassroots um members of the communities who shared some ideas on Facebook. So they the downtown is trying to reach out to them to make sure that you know we're all kind of working together on this. And I I guess um G right is Mark working on a um a
plan you know a downtown he had talked about some zoning stuff and it starts with trying to get consensus on what the vision is the downtown area. Um, so we'll probably approve moving forward with a consultant to help
okay frame that up and to uh, you know, develop a plan for Okay, good. Because Mark has been a good regular attendee at the downtown improvement um, committee meetings and I look to him to make sure people aren't duplicating effort and
he's connecting the dots. So, just want to put that out there. Um then from a bike and ped standpoint um the bike to work week is May 12th through 18th and bike to work day is May 16th. So I think they're working with
Tiffany on promoting that um through our various communications channels. Um sorry I have to ask again on the uh wayfinding signs in the public bathrooms. How we doing? I forgot to ask about that when talked about downtown
improvement. Yeah, I know the signs have been ordered. They've been ordered. I didn't ask. I'm not sure when they're coming from that class. In the public bathrooms, you said they were going to start being available Memorial Day weekend. Yes. So, we should see signs in town hall and and I guess the question is that just for is it just seasonal?
Like what was the arrangement you made with the um one one business was willing to do it year round and the other was seasonal? Okay. And then the town hall signage is year round. Okay. Great. looking forward
to. That was it. Um, I saw the planning board at town meeting, so there's nothing there. And our advisory should meet next week. So, w everything's gearing up for a busy season.
money's flowing as far as the uh beach tags for uh month of April. I think they have been fairly successful in that regard and uh was talking to six month.
I drove by uh yesterday pickle ball courts yesterday in the pouring rain and there were six people out there. It was boring. Cats and dogs. Boring. They were drove by enjoying themselves. I drove by around
uh 45 6. It seems quiet, you know. But when I when I've driven by and rolled out my window. No, I think the the team did a very nice job. Right. It's very I have no idea what reported about the schools because I don't have any
information for what's on Facebook. It's on the Facebook. Oh, as we speak live, it's happening right now. Um consent agenda
meeting minutes. Anybody who would like to represent the I'm sorry. I will. Thank you. It's on my calendar. The more the marrier marrier. When is it? What time is it?
It's uh Sunday, June 1 second. Oh, we have another week to use this. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's in June. I can make it
on. It's on Sunday, right? That's your day of rest, isn't it? Excuse me. The 18th. This month, the 18th. It's eight days a week, every week. So, it's after Mother's Day. Is that Is
that Mother's Day? McMother 11 calendar. Yeah, I skipped over that entire you can thank me later. Um, we need to get a proclamation signed. I have it. Got it. Okay.
consent for motion. Move the select board approve the consent agenda items. Second discussion. John, yes. Answers, yes. Kathy, yes. Jeff, yes. And Brian, yes.
Have administrators report. Well, we just talked about the restroom, so uh moving forward um we have the PSA the credit the purchase and sale agreement signed um all parties for the nation
building so that's moving forward we're working on the condo doct we have a good draft of that we'll be working on just finalizing that document which should shouldn't take too
long so that's moving forward um And yeah, we hope to close uh within before the close of the fiscal year is moving forward. Um the planning board's uh decision to not endorse the
NR on property on Spyro Rock Hill that is under appeal and so we're working with town council to review the defense of that'll be moving forward before judge
at some point to be to be updated as it moves along. in hotel meeting logistically went very smoothly. I think good good turnout for a lot of people at the highest
number. Yeah, all the preparation I think paid off. The electronic voting system worked well. Nothing else with that. So all in all, I thought a smooth operations and my thanks to all of you for decisions you made and and
presentations to the public. So I think that all for the good. And then lastly, I noted that I will be away that week of week of the 19th. Pass up a trip to France.
Yeah. Too good of an opportunity. Yep. Yeah, free housing in Provence is a pretty good deal. So, yeah, we'll take advantage of that. Great. Oh, that's return. Second.
Yes. All in favor? Popular pla. Yes.