M and call this meeting to order. Chairman Round is attending this meeting via Zoom and has asked me to preside over the meeting. So I'll now call the role. Uh Jeff >> here. >> Ryan >> here. Ann >> here. >> John >> here.
>> Great. And Kathy's here. Okay. So we got a quorum and we'll now presside with the first item on the agenda which is the pledge of allegiance. The flag is on this side of the state. >> Pledge allegiance. To the flag, >> flag of the United States of America and
to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, >> indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. So, this meeting being recorded? >> Yes. Thank you very much for the
reminder. This meeting is being recorded and as a convenience to the public, this meeting is available electronically via the Zoom link for viewing and participation. In the event of a technology failure, the meeting will continue in person.
All right. Are there any public comments on non-aggenda items? >> Anybody? No. >> Okay. >> All right. And then I need my glasses for this. Next is the chairman's report.
Um, just double checking. John, you have no comments. I had one that I would like to make. You all set? >> Yes. >> So, um, on behalf of the select board, we'd like to thank our public safety teams for coordinating the inaugural
Greater Cape Public Safety Softball Tournament held in Manchester on July 12th. Uh we've often commented that our public safety teams are the best of the best and part of being the best is understanding that positive relationships beyond Manchester's
borders are very important. Uh these team building events go a long way towards nurturing that camaraderie um that can enhance communications and coordination um in the event of an emergency. Um, and a special shout out goes to Manchester firefighter Phil
Sakalia for being the driving force behind the event. 100% of the pro proceeds were dedicated to the family of a fallen Boston firefighter. Um, and in addition to um, Phil, we'd like to have a shout out to our third baseman, our
town administrator, Tony Barleta, uh, for participating in the event. Your participation and enthusiasm showed great commitment to the community and it was very noticeable noticeable and appreciated by our public safety team. Thank you.
>> Um >> I appreciate getting invited. [laughter] >> Yeah, third base is a tough position. Underappreciated position it is. All right. So then uh next on the list is a uh quick review of our actions items. Is
there anything pressing because we're running a little behind um that any member of the board would like to bring to my attention? >> I'd like to just add an item to it. >> I got a couple of phone calls over the weekend about parking at the beach. >> Parking at the beach. >> I think that's on the list. Do we want
to move it up? >> But I just I think after the season we want to talk about how the uh again it's about parking stickers. Yeah, it's right on the uh the list. >> Yeah, just like uh what is it >> for? It's for October. Did you want to do it? >> No, October is good. I think we should do it after the season. Yeah. And before
anything else is decided for next season. >> Got it on the list. Anybody else? >> John, was there anything you wanted to comment on? >> No, nothing on the uh on the action items at this point. >> Okay. I just did want to make note that
um regarding the tree policy, we can do that um maybe the second week of the second meeting in August. I just didn't want to bother DPW while >> the trash uncertainty was um in front of us. And it was noticed that the Ocean
Street um discussions were delayed to September. Is there some delay in the the contractor getting back to us? >> He had he had staffing changes. We were supposed to be the second week of August and he had some staffing changes. One of
um [clears throat] I think Ariel uh left the company. So uh they asked if they could have another week to put stuff together, which bumps us to the first week of September. >> Okay. >> All right.
I think >> All right. >> They may have the draft to us before then. It would just be the public discussion. >> Yeah, if they can get the stuff to us as soon as it's ready, that would be great and then we'll have time to look at it.
>> All right, next item. Um, while they're not in attendance today, we did want to take an opportunity to recognize the retirement of uh two members of the Harbor Masters office, Paul Stone and Claude. Is it Boddet or Bode? >> Bode.
>> Bodet. See, five years of French classes. I I wanted to make sure [laughter] >> so um we we wish them well in their retirement and please uh you know relay our thanks to them for serving the community by >> I have a couple of awards that I'll send
>> excellent >> fantastic >> all right let's see now on to our action items we have drought update >> uh so we I sent out a draft um updated
press release and in front of you is a draft uh backup document that I just I just produced. Um our Lincoln Street well is back online uh pumps back online. Um however, we are still in a
declared level three critical drought by the state the north northeast region. Uh Chuck's online. He can he can jump in too. He sent over some updated information of the grally pond level is
at 26 feet. Hole is 31 ft. Um, we usually do get down to 26 feet at some point in the summer, but it's a little bit earlier this time around because of the drought and because we have been
100% of our wash supply on Graly Pond for the last few weeks because of the Lincoln Street well being down. Um, >> so we're back up with the Lincoln Street wells back up and running. Lincoln Street well is back up, but Graly Pond is a little bit lower
than typical because we've been pulling from Graly Pond for the last few weeks. Um, >> so what what is good? >> 31 ft is full >> full >> uh 26 feet isn't alarming. It's it's not
uh something that is overly concerning, but we still would like to see that recharge and [clears throat] and anticipate that it will now that Lincoln Street Well is back on. >> I think that the fact that we're down to one
>> water perhaps pretty good. uh demand demand on the system. Pre-water banan we were averaging 900,000 gallons per day and sometimes over a million uh on peak days. Since the water ban, we've been
routinely down to 500 to 600,000 gallons per day. >> Wow. >> Um so it's so we thank the public uh the residents for helping assist with the demand issues that we were seeing. Uh
but in the last week or so, demands have started to creep back up a little bit to 700 to 800,000 gallons per day. >> Will Chuck be shifting some of the burden of the sourcing of the water back to more than more than usual to the
Lincoln Street wells to let Grally Pond perhaps recover a foot or two? >> Yeah. Can you hear me? >> That would be Chuck. Yes. >> Yep. The Yeah, that's the plan. That's what we would typically do um in you know in just a regular summer uh demand
season we we let the well go you know unless we're seeing uh obvious draw down issues but so we will you know give some relief to Gravaly Pond but you know as Tony was saying if if we start seeing you know regular demand in the million you know million plus gallons per day
like we're not going to see a lot of recharge in Gral Pond at that level like you know we'll be lucky to maintain the Okay. >> Yeah. Anyone in the room? Any board members in the room? Any questions? >> Yeah. Um, reading the uh state report, it leans
fairly heavily on the fact that um you're we're all drawing from the same river basin. And my understanding, and this is for Chuck, is are we in fact in part of the Ipsswitch River Basin? We are certainly not part of the Ipswich
basin. So that's that's not what they're trying to say even though sometimes it seems like it. Uh we are the north coastal basin uh which is was separate of Ipsswitch. But you know the the northeast region as it's shown on the on the drought maps from the state are you
know predominantly the Ipsswitch and Marramac River you know those those basins. So those are different subbasins. they just for the purposes of you know their drought plan and what they're talking about they're talking about uh you know the northeast region um in that you know that's what the
difference is. >> So it it says all sources of water regardless of their location or type of withdrawal ultimately draw from the same river basin. So that's just not true in our case. >> I mean I've never heard anybody say it like that. So that I feel like that's
just kind of off. >> It's it's in their report. >> Yeah. I mean I I can't speak to their report. I didn't get to QAQC it before it went out, but yeah, that I think they're they're reaching a little bit there and that's not really how it's traditionally been viewed. I'm not sure what they're kind of hanging their hat
on there. >> Brian, do you have any questions? >> No, I just think we're under a one-sizefits-all plan and it doesn't really apply to us, unfortunately. So I have a question. So if we were running 900k to a million gallons a day
before the ban and then we went down to five to 600k during the beginning of the ban, but now we've creeped up again. Um, are we c will if it stays at 700k
gallons per day, are are you comfortable with that recharging Graly Pond enough to your satisfaction, Chuck? >> Right. So, we get about 3 to 400,000 gallons a day out of the well. So, you think about it, if if uh you know, we're
at a million and we're drawing 400 300,000 out of the well, that's like 700,000. Um, so that's like that's going to maintain the level in gravity pond. If we, you know, if we if our overall demand stays at 7 800,000, but we are using the well for 300,000, you know,
now we're down at four five, now we should see a recharge of grally pawn. >> Question is, so I guess my question then is if we need to maintain, if I'm hearing you correctly, we need to maintain roughly the 700,000
gallon per day usage demand. >> If we need to maintain that and we're that's what we're doing now, why are we considering loosening the ban? >> We've we've I agree. >> I'm just I'm just asking. I'm not saying we shouldn't do it. I'm just asking what
the logic is. I'm not >> Well, there is a logic that says prior to the Lincoln Street Well going down, >> right? We said that we were not in the situation of the rest of the um northeast section and that um we were in
the season when people were starting serious gardens, right? >> Um and this was we were not in an this is sort of like >> planning ahead. No, it's it's sort of like putting uh bricks in your toilet
bowl because there's a drought in California. >> We we looked at uh what Danverse has in place and they are on the Ipsswitch River which is in more of a >> Yeah, that's
>> uh and their non-essential water ban was loose more loose than ours. >> Yeah. Um they allow for uh filling of pools. They allow for irrigation systems but limited to three
times a week and in certain hours of the day. Um >> what about the car washing? >> They they allowed car washing. They didn't have boat washing. Uh but then when I looked up DP's regulations, D
uh recognizes the importance of boat washing especially for spreading of invasive species. Uh so we added that into the proposed ban um that was in your pack.
>> So Chuck, if we um we loosen this ban and it goes back up to a million, you're good with that? I I'd like to see it stay below a million for sure, but you know, I think >> I guess what I'm wondering is do do we really need to allow the car washing? Do
we really need to allow um the everything else I'm kind of fine with, but it's just really I just if you loosen it, it's going to >> some of it some of it was based on the conversation we had at the last select board meeting and there was concern
about >> b water, boat washing and stuff because boats, it's boating season. You're going to you need to be able to rinse your engines out and all of that stuff. I guess the only thing I'm wondering is do we need do we um are we going to be
back here in two weeks or and having the same con conversation. So I'd like it to be kind of one and done. So if you guys are saying this is your recommendation and you're not going to come back to us in you know in a couple of weeks and we >> just don't know again >> we just don't know like what the
weather you know is going to look like in a few weeks. I mean, if we're dry, if it's very dry for the next couple weeks, that changes the discussion. If it's really wet, it changes the discussion. I think I think it's important that we
maintain some water level ban for non-essential use. um and tried to put together a recommendation here that um follows a neighbor who has uh
>> a more serious >> more serious Yeah. >> scenario and also layers in the guidance that D publishes through your regulations on their website. I think you know they
they do not so they have health and you know what's not restricted health or safety includes outdoor uses like firefighting, municipal pipe flushing, um production of food. rather than go through all the details, could could we
just do um one thing to make this a little bit easier for the residents because there's a lot of minutia in what we're proposing tonight, which is a little bit different. Could we have one of those what's in and what's out slides, you know, um Tiffany did that when we did a water ban
a number of years ago. It was very clear. Here's what you can do, here's what you can't do. The list of what you cannot do is getting smaller. And it would be nice just to have a standard set of collateral that if we have to tweak it, it's easy to read, easy to for
understand what they can do. >> This document, I know you just got it. >> Y >> um I think captures that pretty well. Uh it does not include, for example, uh washing of vehicles
unless it's a to meet the core function of a business. So private washing of vehicles is not is not allowed. >> But I don't think we have a lot of people washing. I mean I haven't been by one yet and I haven't seen one in years.
>> So not sure what we're banning but if you're comfortable honestly I'm just not sure what we're banning. It doesn't feel like we have a ban which is fine but I >> fine with me like we have one. So I just trying to avoid some overall confusion. It's essentially
>> it's a ban in terms of time frame. That's all. >> Yeah. Essentially, it's limiting the use of outdoor uh uh irrigation systems uh >> right >> to Tuesday, Thursday, >> three days a week between, you know,
prior to 8 a.m. and after 5:00 p.m. >> Handwatering we were allowing before. Y >> um we did not allow boat washing before, but now we are. we can eliminate um cars from that and then I think this
explains it in more depth, >> right? I just think we can simplify the communication to make it easier for the residents to follow. So anyway, that's my two cents, but I'll move that the select board continue the mandatory ban on non-essential outdoor water use as
described in our select board packet. >> Second. >> Do you want me to get rid of car I'm I'm just I'm fine with the way with the ban as you have stated it. Um I think the communication about what is and is not
allowed could be simplified to make it easier for people to understand what they shouldn't do anymore. But >> we'll do that. I just >> Yeah. >> Do you want do you guys want >> there was no concern just discussion from the board. I didn't hear any concern expressed about car washing. >> I don't care either way. I don't think
it's really a significant volume. >> We may as well >> include it. Include it. >> Allow it. >> Allow cow wash is what you're proposing. >> And I'll drive up and down and I call you by saying something. >> That's what it says.
>> That's a simplification. That's a simplification. Okay. >> All good. All right. Ready to vote? >> John, >> yes. >> Jeff, >> yes. >> Brian, >> yes. Yeah. >> No. >> Kathy says yes.
All right. Next item. Let's [clears throat] see. Wa. Oh, our favorite topic. Waste and recycling curbside collection. What we got, Tony? >> So, we had our public forum Tuesday night. Uh we we had some public input
prior to that and a decent amount during and after. Um, we also looked at uh what neighboring town further looked at what neighboring town programs are offering. Uh, we did a
further analysis on the projected cost of the barrels, the upfront cost of the barrels, and layered into the program that we're designing, what the projected tonnage might be from the different types of barrels that you offer.
We spoke with D and it was confirmed that the D grant will only provide uh a grant of $30 per 35gallon trash barrel. So they do not provide a grant for anything larger for trash or for
recycling barrels which means that cost comes that full cost of the of those additional barrels are on the town. Um and so we went back and analyzed all these costs and tried
to come up with a uh the same intent of maintaining the 65 35% split between the general fund and and currently fees that come from bags. and our data supported
more a higher fee than what we talked about Tuesday night, which ranged from $100 to $150. Uh, however, in looking at the data as to what people what residents most likely spend on bags today, we really
felt it was important to keep that standard package low uh and work on some of those alternative packages. and the pricing associated with that. We also talked about at on Tuesday night we talked about offering a second uh the
option for residents to per to get a second 65gallon recycling barrel. But once we found out about the D grant and because of a lot of the comments that we heard from people about lack of space uh for these barrels, we changed that
recycling option to the standard package being a 65gallon and then you have the option to go up to a 96. Uh and then we have for seniors or moy impaired the ability to go down to a 35.
Why is the 35 the same as the 65? >> Uh we don't get any grant for a 35gallon recycling barrel. So we still factor in that >> but you don't get any grant for 65gallon either
>> and they are adding less waste. Uh, one thing we did talk about briefly to bring back to the select board once we kind of find out get a little bit more info on what people select was potentially a uh an abatement for seniors on the total
cost. And really that's what those barrels are for. Not not to reduce the cost of reducing down to 35, but a reduction or an abatement option for the total fee. >> What about abatements for other situations? edge cases like those with
the private trash pickup but no private recycling pickup or private trash pickup and you know so there's an opt out but it's like you're all in or all out. >> Yes. >> And some people don't have an option. So
>> yeah, we we we're not considering a a split between the two. >> Okay. Um, we talked about an abatement for those with private hall uh like a dumpster for trash and recycling, but since they're not being charged anything
at all through this program design >> uh through these fees, there's really no abatement there to offer. if they were still being charged something. Um, [clears throat] >> you mean they're not being charged, but >> if you have a private hauler dumpster scenario,
>> right, >> uh, you're not being charged a trash fee at all. This is only for curbside collection with the uniform barrels, right, is when this fee would apply, >> right? Understand. But if you have private trash but
>> not recycling >> not private recycling the town takes the recycling. What is the option there? >> We don't have that option. >> Okay. So we can so for those in that situation we can opt in to go allin with
town trash and recycling. >> Yes. Depending on the depending on the on the uh property type. Uh we have a max of a four unit uh building. >> Any large >> people could still bring their recycling
to the transfer station, right? >> Yes. >> And and again 65 that's it's a little bit false to say that you're not participating at all because 65% of our trash cost is paid out of the general fund. >> So in a way most of
most of the funding comes through real estate taxes. though everyone's contributing in one way or the other which >> you know the >> for trash >> for public trash public property trash too it makes sense um
>> okay I'm I'm still confused when you say that alternative two is for seniors are you going to do an h check >> we could we could we could basically apply the the uh senior abatement for
real estate tax uh criteria. >> So I'm unclear which option are you considering a debatement for? And I'm looking at the package. I it's the options but I don't see >> we haven't we haven't put that in front of you yet. It's something that we were
thinking about offering if we do a fee that we could have a a senior abatement on the fee the total fee regardless >> criteria for same criteria for property taxes >> right regardless of what regardless of what option you choose.
>> Y >> uh that's something that we were discussing after the forum the other day. Um, so as I mentioned in this in this uh
in this memo that I that I provided you, the the options that we're proposing in this package, the standard would be 135gallon trash with 165gallon recycling cart and that annual fee is $100.
Um, alternative one is if you wanted to reduce your recycling cart down to 35 gallons, but it's the same fee. >> Alternative two is maintaining that 35gallon trash, but going up to a 96
gallon recycling and that's 125. Alternative three, four, and five are all if you were wanted to get a second trash barrel. Uh, if you get a second trash barrel in alternative three with the standard 65gallon recycling, it's 175.
Same thing if you were to go down on the recycling. And then the most expensive alternative would be if you got two trash barrels at 35 gallon each and you upped your recycling barrel to 96 gallons, that would be $200.
Essentially, the way this breaks down is a 35gallon trash barrel equates to $75 annually. A 65gallon recycling barrel equates to $25 annually. And a 96gallon recycling barrel equates to $50
annually. But on the recycling side, you're replacing, on the trash side, you're adding. Um, again, it was really important, we thought, to keep the standard package
low. If you are a resident who puts out one or less than one 33 gallon orange bag on the curb per week, um, those households are in a spending range of $40 to $170 per year on the on
the orange bags. So, we felt $100 was a an average price for folks in that category. Conversely, if you are choosing to get a second trash barrel, uh odds are you are
producing more than one 33 gallon orange bag per week on the curb. So for residents who are at one and a half orange bags per week or two orange bags per week, they're spending $257 to $343
on on orange bags per year. So even at the highest alternative at $200, it's actually a savings uh in that category. >> I mean, this is cheaper than any other city or town around.
I did look at one one resident asked about pee uh during that forum >> and I still have questions to be answered but it looks like from the surface that they are introducing a $200 annual trash fee and it doesn't come
with the uniform barrels. They just are introducing a fee at this moment. So, I haven't seen the other. >> When it comes to um [clears throat] service fees, you're usually trying to do one of two things. Cover the cost of the service and or
um encourage a certain behavior. So, with this standard option, we're trying to um encourage recycling still [clears throat] >> um and encouraging people to minimize their trash. And they've got lots of
options to do both. >> [clears throat] >> I've talked to a lot of people and everybody said they just want this thing rolling, [clears throat] right? And the other major comment I've heard is that if we get barrels and we don't have to deal with bags, all the better.
>> So, >> it is very easy. >> I think once this is rolling, people will be happy with [clears throat] >> So, Tony, if if if everybody goes with a default, how how does the revenue situation work out? just as an
assumption. >> We the the math the way that we pro uh designed this program was based on the assumption that twothirds of the town would go with the standard package. >> Okay. If every if if 2,200 households
went with the standard package at $100, we'd bring in $220,000, which is about uh $50,000 less than our net profit on orange bags, which is 290.
>> But you'll still probably get a little bit of orange bag activity for overflow and people who take their >> Yeah. And there'll be people that will go these alternatives. So that number is only going to go up. >> Yes. This this proposal based on our
projections uh brought us right into a $5,000 plus or minus that 290. So if it swings a little bit, we it projects $285 to $295,000.
>> When is this going to be build? So, for anyone that's on that gets a water sewer uh utility bill, this would be applied to their utility bill. For those that don't, they would get a uh a one-time bill mailed to them. Uh I'm
sorry. So, water and sewer utility bills would be broken down into quarters. >> So, it would be split into four installments per year. >> Any other questions, Johnny? Uh we we
>> yeah um does this project trash and recycling every week or trash and every other week recycling? >> This is based on every other week recycling. If the if the board we did speak with Cassella about including in
the contract the ability to go to every week recycling if we wanted to change our mind. Uh they said not ideal. However, going from every other week to every week is easier for them to handle than the opposite. If we start with
every week and then peel it back, that may be a non-starter for them. Um, that additional cost is about $70,000 per year. Uh, so if you apply that 6535
split, uh, that 35% of 70 grand is $26,000. I would have to adjust these rates to try to bring in, you know, an an additional 26,000 if we wanted to go to every week recycling.
>> I mean, it makes sense to try it and then [clears throat] to point then if we feel it's not working, then >> so we we can change when we want to and not at the next year. >> What did they give you a time frame? When was it?
>> I as I asked them if we would be able to do that in as the start of the next of the second year of the contract, which would [clears throat] be July 1st. That's the way that I talked to them about it. >> I I think you really need to get
a good case study of whether it works or not. >> Yeah. >> Especially over the holidays, >> right? Uh, I think that's really important how uh how folks, you know, deal with that added level of trash and recycling
around >> around the end of the year holidays. >> Um, >> yeah, that's a good point. >> How how are we going to know other than emails coming to us? I assume they can keep track of barrels they pick up because there are serial numbers on
them. They they yeah they they have uh they have serial numbers that are tied to the address. Um they will they're working on a uh outfitting their new trucks with
cameras as well. So >> that's my question. So they know what barrels they're picking up. So, >> yeah. >> Also, per the contract, they'd be required to tag >> tag anything that they can't collect and check off the reason why they didn't
collect it. Um, [clears throat] but yeah, I think for the most part, John, I think it would be from public feedback, you know. >> Okay. near the end of the fiscal year, we could ask residents for their comments as to how how did this every
other week recycling work out for you for the last >> they have an out and get through one budget cycle. Well, you probably need to know get a sense though because we're doing the budget for the following year, right? So if you do take a poll, it may
need to be not towards the end of the fiscal year, but more right after the holidays or February, you know. >> Yeah. Early. >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> Um, back to your point about just getting
these rolled out and getting started. Uh we do in order to have these distributed by the first week of September, we have to order by the by the end of July. Ideally for the town, having uh
residents be able, you know, giving them the proper amount of time to select what package they want before we order would help us with our ordering. Um, but we can take a pretty good guess as to how
many barrels of each size we think we're going to need, put that order in by the end of July, and then still allow residents to make their selection afterwards, and then we'll program that in before they get distributed. It's just running a little bit of risk as to
ordering too many or not enough certain sizes here and there. Um, but we can order more as we go if needed. >> Yes, there's there is a hundred I think it's a 100 barrels per order,
right? Minimum. So, we can't just say maybe five more of these or >> Yeah, I get it. >> Uh, but I think we could I think we could get pretty close. I think we can get pretty close. Um, >> are there any other key elements of the program?
>> The other date change. >> Yes. So, when I spoke with Cassella about how soon they can get back to the collecting, recycling, and trash now uh in before we get to the carts being
distributed. Um they said that they would be able to do that if they could collect on Tuesday and Wednesday instead of Monday and Tuesday. Uh they did say that long-term they could maintain a Monday Tuesday
schedule. However, for their operations it would work out better for their schedule if we just stuck to a Tuesday Wednesday collection cycle. Um the benefit on that is we avoid >> Monday holiday pickups.
>> Yes. Uh we would not be bumped. Anytime there's a Monday holiday, we wouldn't get bumped to Wednesday, Thursday. We would maintain that Tuesday, Wednesday schedule, but it's uh it's just another change that we're
putting on the residents. So um >> so so is the if they what you're saying is they can start they're proposing to start picking up recycling using our current bins as long as we change our
pickup schedule to Tuesday Wednesday and then once the bins are distributed ideally we would keep the same Tuesday Wednesday schedule >> right >> okay >> and and we could also start to introduce the every other week recycling
in the second week of August. So that would be um trash and recycling next week and the following week and then the following week would just be trash and then the following week trash and recycling again. So we could basically introduce this new
>> chart >> this week this is what you're getting this week. You know, >> I I >> visual >> I I pressed BLA pretty hard on not wanting to do weekly updates, >> right, >> from now until September, right, and
really getting a commitment. >> Yeah. >> And this was that was their response. >> I do think if we're gonna if we're if we're okay with if we'd prefer to avoid Monday holidays and go to a Tuesday, Wednesday schedule, >> it makes sense to just start introducing
that now. And same thing with every other week recycling. Why not just start start getting into the habit? >> But >> we have a backlog of recycling that needs to be collected. So I said you got to give me at least two weeks of uh
recycling collection just to get us back to >> So uh one last question then regarding the let's say we agreed to all of this the change in the schedule and the um bi-weekly recycling um how does that change the black earth compost pickup?
Does that move with us or is that stay on Mondays? >> And also what about the hours to the transfer station? Would you consider increasing those? >> We right now our uh transfer station is open on our typical is Wednesdays and
Saturdays. If we go to Tuesday, Wednesday curbside collection, we could move that Wednesday transfer station day to Monday. Yeah, >> but then there'll be some holiday issues or we could move it to Thursday or Friday. So, we could adjust the transfer
station based on that and I'd have to double check on Black Earth composting. It would make sense to move them with that, you know, to move Black Earth to the same Tuesday, Wednesday schedule so that >> doing it al together.
>> So, I have a question about the roots. Are the roots going to stay the same? So in other words, the people who had a Monday pickup are going to move to Tuesday and the people who had a Tuesday pickup would move to Wednesday. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> So, um, regarding the transfer station,
um, has that been doing better this >> I got I went, you know, it was like five minutes. >> I had I had >> great reports about Saturday. It wasn't it wasn't nearly as long. They had two people working and uh the bins were
emptied prior prior to Saturday. So they lasted the entire day. >> I think the problem is that very first car, very first spot when you pull in, that car is out because of that barrier and
everything. That car is out too far. So everybody's trying to shuffle around that one spot. >> That seems to be the sticking point. get a little better direction when the cars come in telling them where to park maybe. >> Well, it's a spot [clears throat] there
for people on load, but it's not the spot's not long enough is the problem. >> The spot really require it blocks the view of everybody in line. They can't see what's going on beyond that car. >> Right. Exactly. I mean, as far as the
staff there's great. I mean, everything was I went up there sad. Everything was okay. But um but that as far as the design, that seems to be a real sticking point, that first very first spot. So maybe we could take an action to just
monitor the volume, you know, just keep giving us updates at the select board meeting um from the volumes or what you're seeing um you know are there increased is there increased activity at the transfer station or people putting
out less recycling because of the throwing more in the trash because they're getting weekly pickup, you know. So looking at the data I think is going to be important for you to >> help figure out what we should do going forward. >> Is is uh are there any other questions
from the board? John, you have any other questions, comments? >> Nope. As Jeff said, let's roll. >> Jeff, Brian, Ann, anything else? >> Good. >> All right, I'll take some motions. >> I move Well, Dan's got to go first.
Okay. I move that the select board approve the proposed every other week recycling collection as recommended by the town administrator. >> Second. >> Any other discussion? John? >> Yes.
>> Jeff? >> Yes. >> Brian? >> Yes. >> No. >> Kathy says yes. We kind of combined a couple of uh >> Well, we got a problem here, Kathy, because Ann and >> Yeah. Okay. So, we still have to do the uh >> we have to do the motion.
>> Yeah. I'm not We We kind of combined a couple of motions here. >> So, um >> so I'll I'll I'll make a motion to select board >> I move the second one and you that >> right. So, I'll take Yeah, that's fine. I'll move the select board approve the
proposed curbside program and the associated fees as recommended recommended by the town administrator. >> Second. >> Any other discussion? >> John, >> yes. >> Jeff, >> yes. >> Ryan, >> yes. >> Yes.
>> Jack says yes. >> And one more. >> I move the select board approve the proposed Tuesday Wednesday collection schedule as recommended by the town administrator. Second, >> yes. >> Brian, >> yes. >> Jeff, >> yes. >> John,
>> yes. >> Kathy says yes. >> All right, we're done. We'll transfer on onwards. Next item voting hours for state primary and state. So there you gave us the um
information this one sheet in the in the package and we'll have we will have a paper item here to sign >> the actual want. >> So this is just for the primary >> and and the state election. So September 1st and November 3rd.
>> Oh, this is for both. Okay. >> Yep. And >> soon we'll be coming back for a warrant for >> special town meeting in the fall with the election related there related to that. This is just the
>> this just says the primary. So this is just the September primary. It doesn't say the November general state. >> Yes. >> Where is >> state primary on November state election on November 3rd. >> Okay. What size you sign?
>> Yeah, what we're >> second column that's I'm sorry. >> This is this is what we're looking at here. >> Oh, yeah. I'm looking at the paper about to sign after after we vote and I didn't see that here. So, that's why I'm confused. >> No. >> So, there should be another sheath that
we have to sign. >> Two different ones, right? >> Think so. Yeah. Two different elections. >> Missing the general election here. >> Okay. Uh but we're voting on >> we're voting on both. >> But but so then we'll need to we have plenty of time for that other one
because it's not till November. This is a little more time. Okay. Got it. >> Got it. Is there any uh any questions from the board? >> No. John, you good? >> Nope. I'm fine. >> Okay. I move that the board approve the
early voting dates and times for the state primary and state election as presented by the town clerk. Second. >> Any other discussion? Okay. John, >> yes. >> Jeff, >> yes. >> Brian, >> yes. >> Ian, >> yes. >> Kathy says yes.
Okay. [clears throat] Committee appointments. >> But that was the Was that the early voting? >> I'm sorry. That was the early voting was I move that select appointment the warrant for the 2026 state primary to be
held on September 1st to 2026. Second. John, >> yes. >> Jeff, >> yes. >> Brian, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Kathy says yes. Thank you. >> All right. Now, we're on to the committee of
have a few. So we do have someone in the room like to suggest that we um we have I think mostly uh advisory committees and one adjudicatory committee. Um I'd like to
suggest that we if there's any discussion we discuss the advisory ones first. Um so there are two new members uh one new member of an advisory committee being proposed. Tobacco Land Management. Natty.
>> Yes. >> There you go. And um for Harvard Advisory and Win Fetal Committee, uh those are all existing members on those committees. Is that correct? >> For the advisory committee. >> The advisory committees. Yes. Okay.
The give us a deep fund. >> Yes. [clears throat] Sorry, I was one in the other corner. Okay. Uh Nat uh Nataniel or Natty Mononttoya. Um we met early in June. Uh
he is interested in the tobacco land management committee. He's an avid trail runner, an avid user of the property uh almost weekly. Um has no previous municipal committee experience. However, uh is on the Manchester Youth Soccer
Board. Um has uh his wife grew up here and he and they both moved back to Manchester a few years ago. uh he's done a lot of homework on the Tobacco Woods uh committee, looked at uh their previous
meeting minutes and spoke a lot about, you know, having that uh boots on the ground experience added into the committee. someone who's an avid user of the trail and really try to uh bring a new perspective to the committee and um
one that involves you know volunteering uh with um trail maintenance and and real you know weekly kind of use and act activity on this on the trails itself. um
excited to learn from the uh existing members uh under understands the demand of the committee and able to meet that uh um and and oh sorry
and we spoke about um the conflict of interest and open meeting law training uh that he would receive leave after appointment. Nanny, do you want to add anything else to that? >> Man, that was a very good summary of our conversation. >> Well, I think I realized too during the
course of this meeting the just rally pond and the effect that it has on our town is is incredibly important. Um, and I don't think I realized that until sitting here and how much discussion goes on around the drought and just h how those types of conditions affect our
town. So, I think everything Sony said is true. I have a lot to learn. Um, but I'm excited to step up and work with the three folks as well from the Hamilton side. I think that's kind of a unique opportunity as well. So, >> thank you for coming forward as a new resident. It's really wonderful. We love
to see that. [laughter] >> That's great. >> Does the board have any other questions or comments? >> Welcome forward. >> Welcome. >> Thank you for stepping up, >> John. You good? >> And thank you, Maddie. I'd like to suggest, Tony, that um we
take a vote on the non-adjudicator um boards, just the the advisory committee assignments. Um adjudicatory board should have a little more discussion, I think. >> Um >> just adjust that motion. >> Yeah. Okay. So,
I'll move that the board appoint the individuals listed on the nonadjudic say this adjudicator >> judicatory >> boards um for the terms indicated.
>> Second. Any other discussion? John? >> Yes. >> Jeff? >> Yes. >> Ryan? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Kathy says yes. You're good to go. Thank you very much. I was enjoying the open meeting live
this session. >> Thank you. >> Okay. And we have one um applicant for what is two? There are two board of health openings and we have one applicant. Thank goodness. This is wonderful. And um
>> the I was looking at the website today just for clarification. the two people who are no longer on the board of health, their terms expired, >> I think. >> Yes. Okay. >> I was looking at I had some notes here,
buddy. You lost that. Oh, there it is. So, um, the reason I wanted to separate the discussion here is for the adjudicatory boards. Um, you know, we've often talked about making sure we have the right skill set on the board and I think it's
wonderful when we have um, you know, people come forward and I just wanted to make sure we're um, that we're the chair I presume we have contacted Peta and he is good with the applicant. >> Excellent. So, regarding the um the
candidate we have before us, um I just wanted to mention too that on the board of health currently then we have Peter, we have Leah and Donna. Those are the remaining people on the board and I believe you know Donna was a nurse, Leah
was a as a physician assistant and Peter has a science background in chem and biology. So, we've got a good science diversity of science and medical background on the board. So, I just want to that's what I observed. Um, do you want to talk about your conversation with Mary and is she online?
>> Mary's online. >> Excellent. >> Um, yes, Mary and I met uh later in June. Um, many of you are aware of her uh background. She has served uh in various roles. She's was on the planning
board for eight years. Um, she has a consulting professional background. um on on the research uh research company could she has the uh comfort and
confidence to come up to speed fairly quickly on uh issues related to the board of health has spoken with uh current members of the board to get a better understanding. um likes how there are some pretty clear
directives uh from the state that overlay uh the decision- making and jurisdiction of the board of health. Um okay with the board of health schedule the they they tend to meet during the day and that wasn't an issue for Mary.
Um has no problem with meeting in person or hybrid. Uh she's been in Manchester for 12 years um and is familiar with a lot of the open meeting law and jurisdiction of different committees and
interested in getting getting on board. Mary, are you are you with us? Can you come off mute and add anything to that? >> Hi. Yes, I'm here. Uh that sounded good, Tony. >> Thank you, Mary, for coming forward. Really appreciate it.
My pleasure. >> Does the board have any questions or uh for Mary or comments? >> John? >> No, it's fine. I know that Mary is certainly familiar with town government processes and activities and that's
certainly a I think a very big plus. So, uh thank you Mary for uh returning. >> Oh, thanks for saying that. >> Yeah. No, I I agree. I um I the comment I have is that the reason I went for the retirement membership on the board is
again for these boards that are decision-making bodies, it's important that we have the right skill set. I I really like the idea of having um someone on the board who represents, you know, a resident, right? not
necessarily with a deep deep scientific or medical background, but someone who's trying to understand what's being proposed and um would be the the voice of the average resident, so to speak. Um I do think though we do have one other vacancy on the commit on the board. So
Tony, you might want to talk with the chair about is there a particular skill set they are missing um or would like to have on the board because it's it's been open, you know, been advertised for a while. So we may need to go hunt
somebody down and and uh you know, ask them if they want to help. >> Somebody's gonna need a poke for them. >> When I spoke to him last uh he had mentioned that there were potentially two other people may might be interested. Uh so
>> I would look at the skill sets and the backgrounds on the whole board to make sure that they they've got what they need to make those decisions. That's great. >> All right. Um I move that we um appoint Mary Foley to
the board of health. >> Second. >> Any other conversation? All right. John, >> yes. >> Jeff, >> yes. >> Ryan, >> yes. Ann, >> yes. >> Kathy says yes. Congratulations, Mary. Welcome back.
>> Thank you. >> All right, next item on the agenda. Next time I got to bring the right glasses. Uh, temporary art installation approval at Reed Park.
>> Elisa is with us. Um, I think we've all we've all been briefed on on her vision and um hope for I thought I lost the zoom for a second. Uh, and and her hope uh to install
the uh the tide keeper um Atlantis uh mermaid statue in the harbor. Um, as she is working through the permitting and engineering elements of installing that in the harbor, she
has sought out uh temporary location at Reed Park uh and has received uh an approval from the conservation commission because Reed Park does fall under their jurisdiction uh for permitting uh with a one-year
permit uh for this temporary installation. is now uh seeking approval from the select board. Since the select board are the uh caretakers of this public property, it does need your approval. And right before uh the meeting started, uh she sent over the
insurance certificate that we require for this type of this type of project. >> Okay. Questions and from the board? >> No, I was glad to see this moving along. No, no. >> Where in Reed Park?
>> Oh, I >> Where exactly in Reed Park? >> So, it's in that cabinet. >> Have printed the um documents they presented to the conservation commission where there is like a marker. So,
>> Oh, okay. So, >> thank you. you know a big fan of >> and how could you um remind us of the dimensions of all? >> Yes. So the base the sculpture is like
in a seated position >> and the base is uh a little more than a foot on one side since it's a boulder so it's not exactly the same height everywhere and it's on the other side. But how what's the five
uh a little over five feet? >> A little over five feet >> from the base >> on the >> from the ground or >> No, the mermaid. I'm just talking about the whole the whole statue is probably six feet. Six feet.
>> Yeah. So that's fine. >> Um I'm not wild about lighting it at night. >> No, that's like just it's there's no lies at night. If we want to have a little solar powered thingy that points, but there's not going to be any. >> Okay.
>> No electricity. >> No. So, how long do we anticipate it's going to take to get the necessary permits for the floor permanent installation? So, the the D says that from when we have all the documentation,
it takes from four to six months. Once she's installed, I am going to start working with um um we have we're working already with a marine engineer and um we need a structural engineer to do like the study of the area. So once we have
those two um once we have those documents accomplished also we need so we need the um coast guard approval and we need the um army corp approval. So
B maybe knows the timeline for those two better than me cuz >> Yeah, of course it'd be faster than >> Okay, best guess. >> Um I would say probably the same street
park that was three or four months >> like would park I'm sorry text. So would we could we anticipate installing this in the harbor assuming she received the required approvals next summer?
>> Yeah, D. Yeah, I think D is the the real challenge and if if you can get that over next summer. >> Is there any concern about kids climbing all over it? That's kind of my question. I mean, I have a three-year-old. I just took her to read a three-year-old
granddaughter. I just took her to Reed Park this past weekend and she'd be all over that thing. Just kids climb. So, I'm just >> Yeah, it's good plan. I didn't even >> Yeah, I know. It's going to be It's going to be a a bike thing.
>> I mean, I initially thought that it was going to be installed for the um purpose of um our festival by the sea so the everybody in town could see it. I I honestly didn't realize we were asking for a full year install in the park.
That's kind of I didn't anticipate that. How does the boy feel about that? >> I mean, I don't Yeah, it's semi-permanent, I guess, but I don't I don't really I don't really
have a problem with it. I mean, >> I personally would like to have seen it tucked a little further away from the middle of the the park. So, that's my only angst. [clears throat] >> I think it I I agree with you if it was
going to be a real permanent structure. I mean, >> I heard I heard John. John, did you want to? >> Yeah, there is a there will be kids that will be climbing on this, but of course we do have the uh memorial statue that's also in Masanomo. That's a much bigger
statue and people sit around the base and kids do walk around on it and touch it. There'll be a novelty thing here because this didn't exist there before. The other one's been there since well, I don't know how long. Day one. Long time. So, there's that. Um, I know that uh
that um Lisa does have the certificate of insurance to cover any issues that might might arise from that, but it is not a a giant statue that you're falling, you know, falling off of here. It's pretty close to the ground. So, and
uh and you know the approvals take time and I know that Alisa has spoke has has dealt with all of the appropriate people in terms of gaining the approvals that are needed. D is the key thing. So, I I'm I'm certainly hopeful and confident
that things will happen and this gets installed next spring where it belongs. >> Where exactly? I did bring the wrong glasses today so I apologize. Where exactly is this in great park? Is
it near the >> be about halfway down the path and off to the left a little way down the path? We're also open to suggestion if you guys prefer. That's what FL proposed
and know we need to keep and feed the from >> so the walkway >> that the walkway to get to the temporary docks. This would be on the left >> going down on the left. >> Yes. >> At least 10 ft away from the walkway.
>> Yes. Where there's that beautiful tree. >> How how far is it? Is it under the drip line of the tree? >> Under the [clears throat] outer branches of the tree. >> Yes, I see. So, >> yeah, >> Mr. R.
>> You are you wondering if it would um >> compress the tree? Yeah. >> How much does this weigh? >> How much does it? >> So, the the base is the the granite. >> The whole thing. Yeah. >> The whole thing is probably going to be
6,000 and 800 lb. 6,600 lb approximately because the the granite base is 6,000 lb and it's um 4 feet by 3 feet basically and it's a little bit over a foot high.
See what I'm uncomfortable with is I'm kind of agreeing with I'm a little uncomfortable with the location not having was was there a um a landscape designer consulted at all? it it's a very big thing in the middle of
the park. So, I'm just wondering, was a landscape designer consulted at all? Um, we're going to have the festival by the sea um event. >> Well, I think that they probably coordinated because chamber is the one that announced >> Well, I I'm not I don't care what was
announced. That's not the >> What I'm saying I'm saying is the chamber was involved has been involved with this for a little while. I understand, but they're only there for one day. So, >> as far as being as far as the the tents and placements and by the way, I got reserve conference again.
>> Uh, so anyway, what's >> Yeah. >> No, I mean, Reed Park is not a heavily landscaped park. >> Yeah, I'm not I'm not >> I mean, if we're concerned about tree roots and you guys have an idea where we could move it to, I
don't know, but John, did you have any other comments or questions? >> No, I I don't know about this tree roots thing. This is a temporary installation and I'm not worried about tree roots for a number of months. If this was like 10 or 15 years, maybe this is a problem for
a tree, but I don't think this is going to be a factor um for that period of time, if in fact it is a factor at all for that sort of thing. There isn't any excavation that's involved here. was um
only thing that I I was and it looks like if I remember correctly where the planned installation of the sewer connection for reed park float expansion is to the right of the path. >> Is that correct? >> So I think so that is okay that was a
concern we wanted to avoid >> that side. >> Okay. >> That's what I want to put down there. As soon as that, our long-term plans are unlocked. >> Yeah, >> I I think Alisa certainly she was in touch with the DPW and I think I saw
some sort of an email about that discussion because they it's possible they could be dealing with something along those lines, an issue with that issue uh in the within the next year and they needed to have access with regard to how what that pathway might be.
>> I'm good. >> I could have I could have DPW meet with Alisa out there, stake out where the proposed spot is, have them double check that it's not going to interfere with any current or future
utility needs, and then could have the um um tree warden >> take a look at at, you know, proximity to the tree roots and see if any any flags are raised. Is this decision time
sensitive? >> Yeah. >> Yes. Because of the obviously previously announced what does it take to um if there is um let's say we approve it for the purpose of the event. Okay. But
don't want to sustain it there for an entire year. What is involved in moving it out? Mike McCaraken is the one that like is donating his time and machinery to do this and he has been doing a lot of work for the town. Um, I don't think
it's something that we want we would like to do just for an event because they have it's the the goal of having her as a temporary location is this I am I've been I opened this nonprofit to do this
gift for the town and I've been working really hard to raise the money to make this happen because only the bronze casting is 30,000 which I'm I was able to you know raise so far And I was hoping that having her in the temporary location would get the town even more
excited and involved and help a little bit in the fundraising to pay for the um for the chapter 91 and everything else because like you know it's a it's a community effort. It's a gift for the town but it's also a community effort.
I've been doing a lot of work but I without the community um I don't think I can do this. you know, it has to be like the whole town, you know, getting together to make this happen. So, that was the idea of the temporary location. So, she she already feels like she's
part of the town. People can start enjoying her presence, you know, and uh and then following the journey from land to water and making it special knowing that she's there, but she's not meant to stay there, but she's going to be in
Muscali Park. So that's the idea around the temporary location. That would not make sense if it was just for the Festival by the Sea, which by the way, they're casting her now. And I'm not sure there would be she would be done for Festival by the Sea. I hope. But if it's to rush the production of uh doing
this to have her ready for Festival by the Sea, I will not rush it. So I'm going I'm going to the founder basically every day to make sure that we move forward. But it's a it's a very time consuming process bronze casting. So
there's welding, there is pouring, >> there is sanding, there is like >> So um All right, >> I'm good. You know, at this point I'm good. Yeah, >> I would like to amend the um approval to
say that it will not be lighted >> and and pending um approval by the tree warden. >> The tree warden. Yeah. >> And a review by the DPW. >> There's also two
or one hand raised from a resident. >> Yeah. I just want to make sure we get through the board for Thank you. >> Um, any other comments from the board >> before we take public input? >> Okay. Who who uh who would like to make
a comment? Tony. >> Rick, are your hand is raised. Did you want to comment on this agenda item? >> I do. Uh, hi Rick Rogers, 82 Olds Road. Um, I think you got I think I know everybody here. [clears throat] You hear me? Okay. >> Yes. >> Yes, we can.
>> Okay, great. Um, so I have a couple concerns with making this permanent. Um, and I know that's not what's on the agenda today, but I just kind of like to raise these couple of points and for response or comment. Um, so
I think I I first let me just say I'm I love our local artists and art art and artisans, right? So I support the town supporting them in this sort of temporary nature. Um but I think considering a permanent installation is
a little bit of a slippery slope, right? What what is the cutoff? What are the guidelines? >> Mr. Rogers, excuse me. Um if you're about to make a comment about the installation in the harbor, >> yeah, >> is that where you're going?
>> Yes. Right. So the the intent here is to make this permanent and I I kind of have some concerns about that. >> I appreciate that. I I think this is not unfortunately the time based on what's on the agenda. We were delibering deliberating on a very specific issue.
So we're we're not going to be talking about the permanent installation tonight. >> So can we talk then what what would be the outcome of a temporary installation? >> Well, we're trying to get through the temporary installation. first and then they would once the
permits are approved that we would be having a meeting on accepting the gift. I presume Tony is that the process >> if I'm misunderstanding the process please please let me know >> that yes I mean there's permitting for the harbor
uh permanent installation includes a whole another round of process with the state I think it would trigger planning board it would trigger concom again um so there'll be additional public you know meetings related to that
permitting process and then the select board of course would have to um accept the gift >> right >> uh technically I think Brian you could correct me if I'm wrong but depending on depending on the final installation
point in the harbor it it wouldn't necessarily be the select board uh select you know town property that would be fall under state jurisdiction right depending on where where it actually ends up if it's on the on the
wall or anyways it >> certainly the accept they give >> yeah so I think Mr. Rogers is making a very important point. We got to be clear on what the process is so that residents have an opportunity to comment at the right time. What's being asked of us
tonight is to um approve a temporary art installation at Reed Park. >> That's that's where I'd like to keep the the discussion. Um it sounds like it's going to have to go back to Concom or planning board for the permanent. Is that what I'm hearing?
>> I think I think it will. Okay. I was not aware of that. Okay. >> Because I believe plan board has >> I think Bion has a clarification. >> Well, D I you've got your your town boards, but D has very clear comment
period. >> Okay. For all of their projects where >> okay >> people get to a period of time where they get to write in comment positively negatively on the merit project. So what would trigger the public comment period?
>> So DMP they uh that public notif notice and folks uh are encouraged to submit comments. >> So um but what would trigger that is is it >> notification file for the chapter 91.
>> So so what I'd like to suggest Mr. Rogers is that we make sure the public here in the town is notified of that application submittal so that the public comment on the permanent installation, you know, can happen at the appropriate
time. Right now, we're trying to figure out how and if we allow it at Reed Park. >> I appreciate that. And I I missed what Bion said. Can someone just kind of recap that for me? >> Sure. So, Bion, here >> I think I think the microphone is over here. >> Oh, it is. Okay,
>> you Brian Brian was just Brian was just talking about the D public comment period triggered by the chapter 91 permit application and Kathy was suggesting that we make sure that the public is aware of that process once it
is established. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. I appreciate the time. I just I didn't want to miss the opportunity. So if the if opportunity still remains then we're good. Absolutely. No, we just want to make sure the comments come in at the right time and to the right parties. Thank
you. Thank you for speaking up. Um, is there anyone else, Tony, who would like to speak up from the public? >> Yes. S. Rogers. >> Sandy Rogers. >> Must must be Sandy.
>> Oh, was that Rick? Sy's name. >> No, it was a diff. She's trying to unmute. Give one second. >> Okay. Is there anybody else? Well, >> hello. >> Hi, S. Sandy. >> Yes. Hi.
>> Hi. Could you please identify yourself? I should have asked Rick to do that street address for the record. >> Um, I think he did, but Sandy Rogers, 82 Old Essex Road. Um, I I want to um say
that I agree that you should have the town warden, a town tree warden, not town warden. Um, make sure to check um the the space. I'm not sure how big the base is, but um hopefully the
fundraising um that this artist is going to be doing should hopefully cover any damage to the property or the lawn. If this is going to be out there for potentially a
year or more um with months, I don't know how big of a space it is, if that's something that the town can readily cover. Um so and and also I agree with the safety issues. if if it's a five six
foot type of sculpture, um there could be a lot of um activity around it. Um and so we'll want to make sure that it's in a safe place. Um so just wanted to add those
comments. Um that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> that's it. >> That's it. Okay. Uh any anything else from the board? [clears throat]
>> I'm going to ask that um I think you made some uh adjustments to a potential motion. Tony, if you can read those back, I would also before you do that, like to suggest this is something very new for us and I would like to suggest
that you come up with a contingency plan for moving the statue should it become necessary for whatever reason, >> of course, >> or whatever. We can't foresee, you know, we're we're your plan is wonderful as far as introducing her to the town and
and moving her from land to water, etc. We don't know what the reaction's going to be. Right. Of course. >> So, and and because it's something very unique that people are not expecting in in the park because it's designed to be in the water, we don't know what the reaction's going to be. So, I would I
would ask that you just of course come up with a contingency plan should should something be necessary. I think that as she come in, the way she comes in, it's the way she will move out. So, and we will take care of like Mike is used to
working with the town. So, he said that he's going to put rags when he's going to install the sculpture. So, there's not going to be damage on the grass or anything. And of course, we will take care of like putting everything back to where it was. >> Thank you. >> Uh after she's moved.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right, Tony. Do you want to do you want to phrase this motion that we are not giving permission for a year? >> We are giving >> we we we reserve the right to revoke
>> during the year. >> Yeah. >> I think the motion was up to a year >> and we reserve the right to revoke that such permission. >> Yes. >> Etc. So you had a couple of conditions. I think Tony was taking good notes. So I'm going to rely on him to relay a good
motion to us. How's that? >> I think I think up to one year hovers. I think you always have the authority to revoke if you feel if you need be. I think we can keep it, you know, for the record that we're not approving lights. We don't have to include that in the
motion here. If we wanted to include lights, I think we would add it to the motion unless you feel strongly about having >> just >> Yeah, the >> the picture has lights. So, it's it's okay to be clear. >> Okay. >> Say no. >> Sorry for the [laughter]
All right. So, um Jeff, I'll read it and if you want to say so move. Um it would be I move that the board approve the temporary installation of Atlantis the Taikeeper sculpture at Reed Park for up to one year without lights and subject
to DPW and tree warden approval. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Any other discussion? John? Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Kathy says yes.
>> Good luck. Thank you so much. Good luck. >> Good. >> Thank you. Vote to Senator. >> Thank you. All right. Um, next item. Morning assignment transaction report discussion.
All right. I may. Yes, please. Um, when we passed um the hovermaster um section of the bylaws um there were three legs for
transparency. One was waiting lists and there are several different kinds of waiting lists but waiting lists dated moing assignments and a transaction log
which showed when a moing was assigned to whom and and reasons when a moing was given up by whom and that doesn't require a reason a reason um >> but it does not say that in the
regulations here. >> H this is the the regulations say um you shall post lists of all moing permits including moing numbers take our serial number which we don't have anymore permit holder and boat name and
all waiting lists and all mooring assignment transactions. >> Yep, that's what it says. >> Yep. So, we discussed this at the LA briefly at the last meeting. Um, there was I I
asked where we were on publishing the transaction list because it I see I see Bayern at the back of the room holding it up. >> That that that is not in that is not what was presented to the town. Having a single reason as part of the mooring
list was not what the town voted for. So can I um let me >> can you can you elab can you Kathy can I ask her to elaborate on that because I do not understand that. >> Yes. When the um harbor master section was
presented at a town meeting um the discussion involved what the three legs of transparency were >> right >> and that was a separate transaction log not an addendum to one of the other waiting other lists >> right it was a transaction the wording
here is all morning assignment transactions so a log and when I >> but see it it does not say a log >> assignment transactions Yeah. >> And when I asked the question last well
or two weeks ago, I guess um Tony, I thought you indicated that such a document does exist, but it was not posted on the website. Did I hear that correctly? >> Correct. >> Okay. So, is it on the website now or is
it still just in paper form outside? >> It's on the It's on the website now. Okay. And then what was added in your packet is not what's in your packet is a draft. >> That's not a transaction law transactions. So what so I'm on the
website right now real time >> moing you're going to list uh resources >> departments reassignment. Well, I don't know if that's on that's the mooring list, right? With it added.
>> Okay, >> it's on that's what's on there, but it's not in the same order. >> Listen resources >> and there's moing assignment July 2026. Is that what's what's the link that I should click on that has what you are claiming to be the assignment
transaction? I don't need access to >> Tony will answer the question. >> Thanks Harvard and resources. M >> boring assignment July 2026
>> that that's >> so if you click on that link >> okay >> what's been added so this is what Ann's speaking to >> okay >> what's been added to the morning assignment list is this far right column >> assignment type >> reassignment type >> correct
>> okay >> it's not a transaction >> that's not a transaction >> transaction yeah so I think and and Brian and I have talked about this before. This is a language issue. I I I truly believe this is a someone's
speaking Greek and somebody else is speaking Chinese issue. Different language. >> I come from a technology background and a finance background and I think you have a techn your husband has a technology technology background too. transaction.
This this document that I'm looking at right now in I would describe it as the result of an outcome of a transaction taking place. >> It is not the transaction. A transaction should have the word add, change,
delete. Um and it should have the position, the date that the person, if it's from a waiting list, it should have the date that the person went on the waiting list, >> right? that if you ask a finance professional >> on the weight on the weight list what they went on
>> so one one at a time I'm sorry >> the dates that they went on the wait list on the weight lists >> I understand it's um >> so you're you're asking for all these documents
and then a separate document with all the same information on it. >> It's it's different. They serve different purposes. The purpose of a transaction document is for ease of traceability and audit so that if questions arise, it's
very easy to determine what happens. That's why it's heavily used in technology and finance so you can diagnose what happens. >> Okay, let me ask let me ask this question. Why does it need to be in a separate format than the software that
we paid for that everybody said was going to fix this problem? >> So, so that's an excellent question because I thought that was one of the reasons we were um going to the software was to help us with the with the transaction. The software should have
some sort of a transaction and I will use the term log because that's what's commonly used. Um, does the soft is this coming from the new software package and does it have the ability to
produce an audit trail of some type? >> Well, we'll start with the first question. Is this produced by the new software? >> And the answer is no. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> But this
>> Okay, let me let >> you tell me. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. your question. Yeah, >> my question is, I'm sorry we bought software that doesn't meet the requirements of our bylaw.
>> The problem is our bylaw doesn't reflect what you guys want. There's it's not clear. I don't care. This is not clearly spelled out. We had this conversation before and I brought up the fact that if we want something,
we should have a policy and it should be spelled out exactly what we want. And the rest of the board told me, we're going to leave it up to the discretion of the harbor master. And that is how it was left. And this is exactly what
happened. And now you're telling him or someone is telling the power master that he's not doing his job. And that is un true. >> I don't think I don't think any I'm not I will just speak for myself, Jeff. I'm not saying that >> and I I'm not saying that you are. There
is a limited amount of people that are saying the harbor master is not doing his job and that is false. >> Again, I and I I agree with that because I have no evidence to the contrary. However, having done this type of thing for many
decades, I will tell you flat out, I've seen this a hundred times, this is a communication issue. And to make it go away, which I personally would love to have it go away,
I find it very hard to believe that in the year 2026, the software that you bought cannot produce a transaction bot. I think it now I'm going to let you speak on one second by absolutely I have to believe that it can produce it. I
don't see it here. Perhaps it's in process or in work or I don't know but that's I have a hard time believing that. By what would you like to say? >> There are three different softwares the communities use. One of them you had when I started which could in no way,
shape or form produce any reports, documents, list, transaction at all. We got rid of it. I introduced and we used a product that I brought with me from Kerry >> that's
has all of the data for 15 years. that can it can create these reports that extracts data from the database. None of the three products none of the three can produce these
products and I didn't want any of them. I was told we needed to have one. So we ended up >> Are you holding up what we're seeing? >> No, I'm holding up the reassign list transaction list.
refinement lesson. >> Okay. So, >> none of these products can produce what you want. If you want to be able to produce inhouse, transparent, clear where you can go back to the database and follow the trail.
Yeah. To the beginning is going to be an in-house specifically designed product that can produce the things that you want. So I don't want to solution it here because then we get into all sorts of other issues. But if you're saying the
software can't do it, then I I I believe you it may not have been structured to do that. However, that doesn't mean the transaction can't be produced. What I think we have here personally is a disconnect between the words in the bylaw and what we're produc
>> for and not just the harbor any of our department heads. >> It should this document should stand on its own and it does not >> and I've been on a policy committee >> on a school system for 10 years. This is
not a policy. This is a bylaw and the policy supports the bylaw. So if we need a policy to support and clarify the bylaw, then we should work on coming up with such a policy. >> That's that's what I I agree. I think the and I Brian I want to make sure you have a an opportunity here. But I think
there's a disconnect between what's written and what's >> I hear that. My concern is a is the information you just have to go look for it. The information is available. >> Yeah. Okay, there is no no freestanding.
Okay, so reality here is we're meeting the intent of the bylaw. The information is there. How you called through it to get it is the question. Okay. So the >> it's difficult. Yes. >> Okay. But yet it's available. There is
transparency here. It's difficult transparency but it's transparency. So I think to Jeff's point, there is nothing here that is that is not what uh there's nothing nefarious here. Everything's here. We just have to know how to look
for it. I'm not a computer geek. >> I know. So >> I'm not a computer geek. I don't know how to make that happen. >> Okay. So just just for clarification, there has been in this discussion here, there has been no one suggesting that anything areas has been done in this
conversation. So, I just want to be this conversation, so let's keep it >> keep it and you had another comment. >> It's blown out of my head. Um just >> you would not disagree that there have
been people who have there has been at least one person who has looked at these list two >> and has not been able to make the connections that you say are obvious. >> I'm not saying it's obvious. >> I'm not saying it's obvious. I'm telling you I wouldn't know how to find it if I wanted to. I don't want to. Okay. One at
a time. one at a time and then I'm gonna let Bion speak in a minute. I want to Jeff first then I would like John if he has any comments. I see his face. I apologize John can't see you. So just let me one comment then it's your turn. >> We can on and on and on try to make the
strictest policies be the most transparent. But at the end of the day, it's up to residents and staff, department heads to get together when there is a problem or there is a question. You you don't sit
home and micromanage our harbor from your computer. If I have if I have a question and I look at something, I say, "Gee, that doesn't look right." I go down to I call up Brian. I go down to Brian. I've been down to his office a million times and I say, "Hey, what
what's this? Why is this this way? I might not get the answer I want, but I understand what that answer is when I leave." And this is part of this process. This process is not for residents to sit at home and make
decisions on what we do based on what is online. There needs to be a communication [clears throat] between residents and department heads and I understand in this particular situation that
communication is broken down. Okay. But that is not I don't know whose fault that is. Okay. But there needs to be conversations to figure out what's going on and not just off a piece of paper. Thank you, John.
>> Okay. Yeah, Kathy, I think early on you made the comment that that far right far right column is a result of transactions, which I think is what most people are interested in and if they have questions, they want to know how
did you get there? Bion has all of the information. This is how we got there to this particular result. I don't think he has very many people coming to him on an annual basis or meaning or or even ever asking what's going on with this or with that. I think most people are interested
in the results and if they have questions they will come to him. So from a pragmatic perspective, I think we are where we need to be and all of the detail which I I I have no reason to believe that Bayion does not have, but
it is behind all of the all of the stuff that produces that result is there if somebody wants it and they can ask him for that. But I don't think those conversations are very frequent. >> Would you like to make another comment? >> I would love to.
This one sentence bylaw dictating what the harbor master is supposed to produce. No other direction leads me to want to produce a product people can look at and say this person,
this date, this reason, I disagree with that or I'm concerned about that. I'm gonna go down and I'm going to mine the 15 years of saved archived data to find out exactly why that transaction
happened. This is a tool so people can look at a moing and feel comfortable that it passed for the appropriate reason. the transparent reason parent weightless changes
where they were it's all the data you have all of the data I have saved it all I've created because there was no process there was nothing here >> and to
have repeated attacks that I have not produced what's on here with zero guidance Nobody coming to my office and saying, "Listen, can we I I apologize. Tony has been really good
about saying, can we add a whole date rather than just a year?" Yeah, that's that's exactly the kind of input. >> So, >> I would welcome >> Okay. Well, >> the last two years. >> So, just just I understand this is an emotional issue. I'm just going to
clarify one thing, Bayion. I did sit in your office and every time we talk about this subject I do give guidance and I apologize if it's not clear. A transaction is contains some sort of event either add changed delete and what
was added what was changed or what was that is a transaction in the purest sense of the word whe you know based on many different professional um uh domains. Okay. So please don't say that no one has come to you to give you
guidance. I have tried and I have failed. I apologize for failing but I have tried. Okay. Um I think this is enough discussion for tonight but we have a disconnect Tony between I'll say our recordkeeping
and how it is the how our recordkeeping is presented versus the wording in the bylaw. There is a disconnect there and there's a difference in language until you can change the bylaw. Okay, and get rid of that word transaction list.
That'll solve the problem too. >> I don't but there is a difference between what we share publicly versus what's in the bylaw. >> I I think I think there's some middle ground.
>> I hope so. [laughter] Um, you know, the bylaw is four words that cover this subject. >> So, I agree that the select board should
if they want a certain certain information on a report, it should be voted on by the select board so it's clear and agreed upon, right? because when it's left to discretion and then later criticized, that's unfair.
>> Correct. >> I agree. >> Um, number two, I think that some of the information on this request to be included in a transaction report goes too far. Mhm.
>> I think that the transaction report that we can produce inhouse because the programs aren't able to do that >> can get to the core goal of that report that has a result based explanation of
how a moing how someone acquired a moing came from the weight list on this date. you know, we can add the date that they were originally on the weight list to the transaction report, but that's also on
the weight list report. So, >> but I don't but I I just want to be clear. >> Yeah. >> And I and I feel I need to be clear. >> Yeah. um reason for revocation, reason for reassignment, those that that those
types of that type of information is where you would go to the harbor master to understand why was this why did the result why did this result occur? >> Um including all of that information on
this transaction report, >> it it builds it too far out. Mhm. >> Um I also think uh I think that we have to be >> just clear on what the expectation is. I
don't I don't think that we're >> right. >> I don't think that it's solely a communication issue. I think that there is a a small amount of folks who are raising this issue, which doesn't mean
it's invalid. We have a bylaw. We have to meet the bylaw. That's a fact and we have to do that. So, how we want to do that, I think we just got to be clear on. But I don't think that this should turn into a heavy large assignment for a
minimally, you know, a a department that has no real administrative staff to it. And I don't think it should turn into a report that uh explains every detail of why a transaction
occurred. I think it should be a resultsbased report. So, let me offer the following uh suggestion. We have in front of us a suggested transaction format. Okay. I'm going to ask Tony and
the Harbor team to in writing amend this format to what you can reasonably produce with the information we have. I still am praised to think that the software can't
produce something. Um, but in writing, why don't you respond to to what you think you can do fairly, you know, reasonably and then we'll see if it if it meets the need. And if not, like I said, the bylaw can always be changed. If we don't want transactions,
that's fine. But but recordkeeping, it's been my experience working with governments for many decades. Recordkeeping is important for transparency and oversight. And so it can get, like you're saying, incredibly
arduous. It can get incredibly arduous. However, we ought to take an attempt to, you know, >> I would just do it as long as we can figure out what our policy is first. >> Well, unless we're going to do Let me
ask, was that town meeting recorded? Did they record town meetings at that time? >> Well, there's certainly a there's going to be a transcript. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That would answer your question, Jeff, if you want to take a look at that. What was >> I would I would love to take a look at that.
>> Okay. 2011. >> Yeah. >> Okay. 2011. But I I think we have a proposed transaction format in front of us. There are very good reasons why we can't do it exactly this way. Propose an
alternative in writing and let's take a vote. I mean that John will be at the next meeting. He'll be chairing the next meeting. He may want to handle it differently. >> But right now, >> I [laughter] think you're on the right track. I just want to I think we I'll ask Bion to to make one more comment
then I'd like to really move on the discussion if if that's okay with folks >> move on to the next agenda item. Okay Bion. >> So using the access database that was developed when I started here in 2012 we can actually extract
probably any and all data that's needed. It's just software that we purchased cannot. So these reports that I post, they all come from the existing access database. >> So >> that's good to know. Thank you. I think
once again, as long as the data is there to your point, there's many different ways to get data out of databases and um um >> we'll see how it h but would that be satisfactory if they in writing, you know, respond and >> I don't think I get to say what's
satisfactory. [laughter] >> Let's give it a shot and see how it works. How's that? I just want to say that we have spent way too much time >> well we're done I just to appease a very very small group of people >> well >> okay
>> so that's I just it shouldn't rise to this level >> and I'm trying to move us along would you like to >> I just want to know that statement okay >> 2011 >> yeah 2011 tell me I I also want to add just in closing
Ann is not the only one that's bringing this forward. >> What I'm saying small group. >> Okay. But I just want that to be clear, too. All right. All right. >> Two feet. That's >> next. Next item. >> All right. Thank you, Bion, for hanging in there.
>> Okay. Leaison updates. Jeff. >> No. Uh the uh yeah >> uh do you want me to move on to someone else while you gather your notes?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I'll come back. >> Why? Do you have anything? >> Uh not really. The uh as far as concom so was before the concom I have heard on a couple of different uh occasions question asks why is it in person? Why
is it totally virtual? Um, and I wish I knew the answer. Okay. And again, I'm going to say it again. I think we have to visit that. We have to visit soon. Uh, and as far as uh the um,
nothing really to report. There's, you know, they had a the summer's going pretty well. [clears throat] And uh I think that Tony had also put something in the package about a group that went to uh for Wi-Fi on the beach. They want that that way made that made it through
the uh rec committee in Sier. >> Very good. Yeah. >> And um the school committee is meeting um the board of health had a meeting um a day or two
a recently um to discuss their fees and I blew it off. [laughter] >> Good. 30 meetings can be held. >> The finance committee met met and several of us were there um and first
approved a bunch of transfers, discussed the reasons for having needing transfers and the source of the transfers and how things were um where the guard rails were. Um they
then um uh talked about the sanitation contract and the effect of the budget um and capital items and what was on in the contract and briefly on the lock
service whether the reservations were where the reservations were >> and that's what I heard from the finance committee. Thank you, Jeff. >> Uh, the plan board had a public hearing um for one deer hill for a site review
on building a two family house up there or two multif family units, I should say. >> Um, they had another public hearing for 214 summer for a special permit for a new dwelling there. and they're continuing their discussion on
discussion on housing production plan. Working on the prelim preliminary draft for that time >> I can't talk really hard time. >> Um SX Tech I we finished our evaluation um for our superintendent Dr. Richio who
received a grade of exemplary um we've which is great. Yeah, that's not hard to achieve, especially in a tech school. So, [laughter] um, and we've finished all our handbook changes, um, for the 26 27 year
and, uh, just a bunch of business as usual. Um, and however, we've prepared enough of that. So, that's it. >> I would agree with that. Thank you, John. >> See your name here at all. >> Um, yes. Well, uh, DPW was on the agenda
quite a bit tonight, so I think we're up to date with what's going on there. Uh, historic district commission had a meeting, uh, last week. They are uh considering um hiring consultant to really uh determine what the interest is
in historic preservation in general in our town because they're looking at possibly expanding the historic district and also a demo delay consideration. There are a number of locations scattered throughout the town that could
be uh filed for natural historic places such as Tux Point, etc. do we want to go through the initiative to try and make that happen? So, there's general some questions that uh need to be asked of the residents just uh what the interest levels are. So, we'll they'll be
speaking with a a consultant who's an expert in getting those kinds of answers uh next week. This person will be coming by at that uh at that meeting. um library. It was business as usual and
council on aging. No major developments there that um I'm aware of. Uh was not there to chat with them today. So that's it. >> Thank you. Um I have a few updates um
from the facilities planning committee. we met last week. Um that we are working um a few changes to our charter now that we've been meeting for a while and we should be able to come back to the select board with those changes in August. More refinements around um uh
when we should engage, when we should not engage, etc. The team has also created a list of facilities and projects and is working to place them on a timeline so that we can better prioritize our effort and then come back to the select board and the fincom to
maybe ask about priorities when there's because we were really um driving towards getting uh up and running on the DPW police and fire analysis but there were other projects that came uh I hate to use the word distraction
But that's the only word that comes to me at 8:30 at night. The other projects came and um kind of interrupted that work. >> They were a little more timesensitive like the St. Community Center and the um singing beach bath house are two
examples of that. So we had a long conversation about what should how should we be prioritizing our time and are we working the right priorities. So the the team is I think it's Gordon um along with uh Chuck and Nate are going
to put on a timeline what we think we're working when so that we can all get on the same page and take a look at it and say are we working the right things in the right time. Um the other item uh from facilities planning is uh the DPW
is seeking feedback on whether it's beneficial to conduct a study on townwide solar. So with all of these buildings we're talking about renovating or adding or whatever. Uh the DPW is wondering how you know hard we should go
after solar and apparently there is um you know some investment required to do that analysis etc. So what we asked we don't know what the you know it kind of seems similar to the comment John was making about what's the town's
temperature regarding um expanding the historic district. So what's the town feel about you know going more heavily into solar? One option we discussed was asking the sustainability committee or concom to do a poll but a formal poll
which would be either a citizen petition on the town meeting so we could have a discussion about it or you know a non-binding um ballot item you know to just kind of take people's pulse and what do you think about this? So this is I believe a couple of members of the facilities committee took the action to
take this commentary back to their committees so that uh they will take the action on taking the temperature of the town regarding solar and then uh and we'll go from there. And then I think the last item I had was on the um so
both the downtown improvement and the bike and ped committees are interested in advising the town on improving the sidewalks and pedestrian safety on central street from Pine to Elm and based on what we're hearing from the DPW
either the Culbert piggybacking on the Culbert project or you know the Bennett Street um utilities uh project would be the time to, you know, kind of take a look at that area. So, they just want to make sure that um those committees are
engaged and and advising when before we rep up to the streets and decide what we're going to do. >> So, they're working together, which is nice because then the DPW will hear, you know, a cohesive set of feedback instead of going back and forth to different committees. Um Nate mentioned that there
may be a potential traffic study in that area in the not too distant future and we did question the timing of it. You know, it's not real great if it would happen in the dead of winter when no one's here. So just be we asked that he be careful about the timing of
conducting the study. >> Certainly you don't want to do it while we're tearing up the culbert. >> There you go. Right. Exactly. Not a consideration. So definitely timing is is questionable there. So, all right. That was it for the updates, unless someone was missed.
No, we're all good. All right. All right. Um, let's see. May I have a motion on the consent agenda? Approving the consent. >> Anyone want to pull anything up? >> Okay. I move that select board approve the consent agenda, second
>> discussion. No. John, >> yes. >> Jeff, >> yes. Ryan, >> yes. >> Ann, >> yes. Kathy says yes. >> And administrators report. >> Thank you. Uh, so we'll start with the
Wi-Fi at the beach proposal. So the the uh the handout that I emailed you came in Wednesday and I didn't have a chance to really get through it before the agenda was finalized and posted. But I also recognize [snorts]
they did submit it by Wednesday, so it's it's on me a little bit there. Um, and they'd like to get in front of the select board as soon as possible. So, it's not on your agenda for hope tonight, but I did send it over to you to take a look at it and let me know if
you have any questions or comments that you'd like me to relay and get answers to uh before it's on the agenda at the next meeting. I know in looking at it I had a couple questions
um about uh where where it's going to be physically set up. >> Uh there's a few different components uh to the device and I'm sure they have answers to all of that. That sounds from the proposal that it's going to be
battery powered, so it won't need electric supply from the bath house, but there is antennas and um you know different elements of the hardware. Just think we should get some answers on that.
Um, I just want to say one thing that uh I have family members that are involved in this and I will be recusing myself from deliberating or voting on the subject. >> Thank you. >> So that so you have it. If you have any
comments, shoot send send me an email. >> I thought it was well thought out. >> Yeah. It seemed like an airline model, you know, if you're on an airplane and you want to buy Wi-Fi for the flight or, you know, like it look like. >> Um, I did have the same questions on location. I was just at the beach on
Sunday and I'm like, >> where are they going to put things? Because the the the new business around renting the beach chairs, they were over there and and you had the table. So I think they're just some logistics questions that >> and then again not just you know broadly
uh we don't really have a fee structure for these types of things where businesses you know are operating on public property. We do require insurance and and things of that nature, but I don't, you know, again,
that's something that every time a proposal comes up like this, it's, you know, I I I asked myself that question is, you know, should we have some sort of standard fee rate for that type of permit? Um, but we could that's a kind
of a larger discussion that we've talked about. Did anybody um on that subject Ann John did you have any questions? Brian, >> I apparently missed the message. Oh, okay. You can take maybe and send them into any questions into >> No, I think that like I say is that I
think now it's just I'd like to I I heard the initial proposal and a lot of the things that were incorporated in the uh the written proposal were some suggestions that came from and wreck. So [clears throat]
there was that. So, I think that Fox and Wreck really did give them guidance as to what they had to do and all these questions that Tony has have already been broed. So, I think they should have they'll have answers for us. >> Good. John, did you have >> question? No, I uh none none at this point. I'll reread it again, but reading
at first pass, I thought it was well written. I did have the question about just where they were going to operate off of the beach, but um uh you'll hear from me, Tony, if I have something else within the next few days. Well, I can't say within the next few days. >> I will say, you know, I've been down the
beach and had my phone's been on SOS and, you know, so from a public safety standpoint, um, this type of service could help um, in a number of different scenarios. >> Um, Division of Local Services from
Department of Revenue, uh, was in for the last couple weeks working on their financial management report. I met with them. They met with a number of department heads. Ann and John met with them. Uh they'll be working on their report over the next few months. Uh we
may see a draft in four months. Um but they said four to six I think was their their timeline. >> They had an interesting point of view which is quite different from the way they found works. um
they are concerned that we depend on um bonding issues and um capital overrides. Uh they would like to see us set up funds for everything that we plan to do
and save the money first and then spend it. >> Well, luckily that's not their decision, is it? >> No, not their decision. just uh >> just as as when you see their report. >> Yeah, >> be aware that they have a bias.
>> They did bring that up. Um I mean they said it's great how supportive the residents have been when it comes time for those capital needs and going to the ballot. >> They just said, you know, it can be a risky game to play if um you don't get
that support and you're unable to proceed with some of those capital needs. >> Uh on the plus side. Yeah. Okay. >> Go ahead, John. >> Yeah. On on on the plus side, we we both agreed that capital planning was an issue. >> Yeah.
>> How how to go about that. I think things diverged a bit. >> Yeah. >> It's a philosophy. >> Uh they did speak to the town administrators act and the authority provided to me through that or through to this position through that.
And one element they brought up was uh signing of the warrant on a weekly basis uh may be an issue that the statute require gives the authority to the select board to sign that warrant.
Select board has the uh ability to um choose one or a backup select board member to come into the town hall and actually physically sign the warrant. Uh I have legal taking a look at that opinion and providing their own. If uh
if that is an issue, if the town administrator act doesn't uh authorize me to do that on your behalf strong enough by the opinion of our legal council, we'll come back to the select board with a solution.
>> Does the town have docu sign? >> Yes. I'm telling you. >> So, >> can we use it for the secretary deeds? [laughter] >> Yeah. Why can't why can't we be using that for some of these things? Because at ES Tech, we sign all our warrants through. Doc, you say
>> sold a house on my phone. >> Um, we may we may it may be a non-issue to begin with. >> How about an auto pan? Um, [laughter] our postal property drone survey uh is
is in progress. It's in the early stages, but they're working with our police department and DPW to figure out their schedule to start their drone surveying. This is to create a baseline of material and condition of our coastal
properties so that we can measure on an annual basis and post storm events so we can claim any damages that we might need to in the future. Uh we spoke about the smell coming from the wastewater plant a few weeks ago and
I sent an update. The gasket replacement project is 100% complete now. Uh, and to I think Chuck's comment was those gaskets were probably original to the plant and those are those keep the air
and the smell, you know, airtight on those tanks. Um, so we're hope hoping that that'll make a huge difference. Um, so >> that a costly uh >> it's all custom gaskets, so I'm sure it
wasn't entirely cheap, but >> can't like determine a maintenance schedule every 10 years. >> [clears throat] >> Well, we're we're going to be looking at um given that we we'll see how these improvements [clears throat]
uh go, but it seemed like the select board wanted us to take a closer look at what type of rotating schedule and the cost analysis associated with that relative to the smells coming from the treatment plant. >> Uh what about the schedule on the wood
chip? >> The BOF filters next. Uh so they had a company come out and take a look at the at the filter and uh they're pricing out uh replacement of the wood chips and also they did kind of an existing
conditions assessment and there's a fabric liner in there that might need to be replaced as well. Um so we're getting pricing on that but that's the next step. >> Okay. [snorts] >> Thank you. uh
continuing to work on the capital plan mentioned, continuing to work through contract negotiations. Um the state budget was finalized [snorts] and signed by the governor included in the state budget for
Manchester by the Sea from Senator Bruce Tar, a $75,000 earmark for senior center improvements. >> Nice. and from representative Drutar a $25,000 earmark for a new police
motorcycle. Uh our existing motorcycle has been um hasn't been used. >> I was going to say >> I don't know. >> Uh so it's an opportunity for us to replace that at no cost on the town.
>> Do we really need one? >> We do. I think so. I would say yes. >> Okay. We've managed to live with that one for a couple of years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But that's not that doesn't come without any negatives. >> So I think it would be helpful to educate us.
>> It would be helpful to educate us on what we can't do >> when we don't have the motorcycle. >> Do we we have officers that have motorcycle licenses now? >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. and through NMLC we're we're associated with NMLEC and uh so
having the motorcycle is another asset that we can contribute to NMLEC uh as a you know if someone needs a motorcycle unit for a particular event we can participate in that and then assets that we don't have in house that other
departments have that are associated with NMLAC you know we get that in return >> yeah I just want to make sure it gets used that's That's all. >> Uh, and then we have we also received a from the Massachusetts Council on Aging,
uh, grant for senior center modernization, which is $14,994. And essentially, uh, I was excited to tell you about that until this morning, until the beginning of this meeting, but it's essentially that setup,
the ability to have that set up uh, next door >> minus the technical selfish. Um, and the company that we use to purchase this equipment is on the state bid list. So, we can just utilize that grant to purchase a similar setup. So,
between the $75,000 earmark and that grant, we just our next step is to make a decision as to spending the $75,000 on temporary ADA improvements to the senior center. Um,
but if we did do that and utilize that grant, we could start having public meetings over there in the short term. So those those two puzzle pieces of the line, [snorts] >> do we know how much that's going to cost for the 88?
>> Like is it really going to be 75 or what what is that? Uh, it depends on on what we what menu what options on the menu we choose. >> Um, I think we can get we can certainly
do a ramp uh access to the front door for much less than that. It's really comes down to what we do with the bathrooms. >> So, we're scheduled to um have our first joint discussion with FinCom, I think.
um the um senior community center sometime in August. We're supposed to get that. Was it 35? Not 35%. 35% design is due in August. And >> uh yes, but I think that is I think that's going to be September.
>> Oh, so we actually might be August. >> I know we're getting the information in August. It wasn't clear if the meeting was going to be in August or the meeting is going to be in September. I I I was hoping to have that information presented to the select board in August
and then if if we're going to have a discussion with the finance committee or a joint discussion, see if they could do that. If not, we would go to them in September because I think their August agenda seemed a little full already. >> Okay. Can we just make sure that's on the action list because the facilities
planning committee, we're definitely tracking that and making sure that we um we keep an eye but it's not. Anything else? >> Uh, I was just going to mention that we tooured CST.
>> Oh, yes, that's right. >> Um, and Kathy, John and I, uh, went and took a look at the progress being done at CST. It was impressive. >> Impressive. Uh, >> they've put millions into the
landscaping. >> Yeah, the landscape is quite impressive. Yeah, I think he said they've planted over 300 or 400 trees and >> which is hot in a drought, you know, to get those things started. So, >> but it was impressive impressive what
they've done so far and they they're hopeful to um be before us before the end of the next calendar year for a for a building permit application. um which their process is like an
eight-month process from design to permit application. So that means they'll be they'll be starting that process at the end of this year. >> So they'll stop schematics full set of architect um and MEPs and
then there won't be the construction documents for you probably like you say a year or so. >> Yeah. just minor point. Um I heard them say that they were done blasting. They have done
all the blasting that they need to do for um the first phase and the second phase and they are no longer blasting there. >> I heard the same thing. So >> too good. >> Anything else, Tony?
>> That's it. >> Make a motion to move. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Thanks for joining us. >> Sorry about the delay. >> Yeah. Well, I've got to catch up with my relatives here.
>> Okay. Have fun. >> Yep. Thank you. Nice job with the helmet.