prior to CL at this time I'm going to call the November 20th meeting of the maple sha planning board to order public notice of this meeting has been given in accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings act would everyone please rise and salute the
flag I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all roll call please for
deep good Matthew re here Daniel McDonald here Clair walp here Susan Danson Steve Smith John
beardon Emily Wallace here Maran Constantine here Justin Benet here chadman Dugan here the first item on the agenda tonight will be 11 South tus Avenue block 11 17.01 lot 67 and 802 dorine nin
the application is is is number pb24 the zone is downtown business the existing use a single family home and a car repair shop proposed use residence and car repair shop on two subdivided separate Lots good evening hello
evening doy okay are you ready yeah we're ready this is DOR nson and Joe Fisher perhaps they should be sworn in before we get going okay yes please stand up raise your right hand do you swear from
the test me gight be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth okay okay Doren you own this property 11 Health Care Sal correct yes and um on it right now the same L block is want to pull the microphone up
the a repair shop that your husband your late husband operated right yes and since car repair and then also on the same lot is your home correct yes okay so um this application is to subdivide the home from okay the the repair shop
yes right right okay and that's the plans that you submitted um and the reason have you looked into selling the property uh no I haven't done looked into anything okay do you do you think you could sell it as a repair shop with
a house on it or a house with a repair shop on it I don't think anybody wants a sh with the house though okay all right so it makes sense that you want to try to split these into two okay um I know we have Fred's letter I'm just going to uh go over a couple of the points that
are in here if you don't mind um and that would be do you want to do Fred's letter first or was yours which you you think would work out better which one do Fred's letter first or yours which would I think we'll just run through it real quick and yeah just before you even give the testimony we're all aware of the
project it is already a very small site there are a lot of pre-existing non-conforming that would require variances I don't bring any of those up by putting that line down the middle it creates some additional variances that we have to look at tonight and then there were a couple site plan issues to
deal with some encroachments and so forth so uh it's fairly straightforward uh as you heard it's trying to divide this residential from a garage so uhad yeah so and Joe's here because he's
done a lot of this leg work and and Len would prefer that he talk rather than her talk Joe was a site plan right he was a site brother and sister but um okay so um Fred raised a question about the second floor of the garage building what
is currently there Joe junk it's it's not sheetrocked it's there's no I don't think there's any electric uh there just studs we we always ask that question because we
never know okay thank you no um there is a um an issue about the sidewalk in front of the house but must be in a little bit of bad condition not the house the the commercial oh okay within the right of way of South terce all
right my mistake I'm sorry um can you um uh are you going to take steps to correct that yes okay all right hot tub is on the property what's going to happen with that that's a project is never never it'll be gone going can you
speak little loudly and close to the mic sure okay just so the board knows the hot tubs on three properties well the hot tub is there it's been there since they moved in and right it needs to go yeah okay um there's a driveway for the house that
will be divided by the subdivision line um what are you going to do with that we're going to saw cut I think it's about 3 and 1/2 ft off of it and then the the existing fence that's there don't jumping ahead the existing fence that's there we move that to the end of the drive to the side of the driveway
but that creates a driveway that's only like six to seven feet right oh no it's no no no no no it's a double wide D it's more than a double wide driveway now okay uh it's probably enough for 2 and a half Cars um on the side of the house or on the front of the house on the front of
the house oh okay I'm talking and carer goes down the side right the it's a double pad that faces Terrace right okay and um if I had to guess I would say it's about 18t maybe 20 ft wide okay and we're going to knock whatever we have to
off of that to get within the property line so garage fronts on Fred before you go do you want me to I'm sorry do you want me to swear you in the garage front is on i' rather be saring in and swearing out yeah
sure typically I'm sworn at the beginning of the year and but I'm happy to do whatever you would like do you swear for the test me again might be the truth the whole truth and nothing about the truth it's what we got okay learn something every day there we go that's our first right um okay oh the garage I the
driveway so the driveway is typically a two two two double or double wide out front but it does go down the side it says it does it does continue along the the building right yes so you could you the left side of the driveway you can pull your car straight up and park next
to the house right as well as the two spots in front so it's right and I'm pointing out that now it's a 6.7 foot width to the property line it's under 7even feet so I don't know that a car can fit in there maybe it can I just want to point that out to the board so
you know so you'll be saw cutting this and putting a fence or whatever fence okay and once you do that how many cars will be able to be parked on the property two you it's it's a w it's a wide double pad that's on there what about next to the
house no no next oh next to the house he just said it was 6 6.7 right 6. 6.7 so seven feet roughly seven feet you could put a car you could put a car there if you wanted to which makes three spots on the property yes I get out it it wouldn't be
an easy in and out but tough to open the doors it can be done I can put a Volkswagen there's a shed to the rear of the house what are you going I don't think it'll withstand any move so I think we'll just
AED yeah let's just demolish I think we just demolish the shed oh sh I I don't there's no reason to keep it it's in not in great shape so yeah the survey didn't identify any setback didn't say zero it didn't say an inch so I have a feeling
it may encroach a well let's just eliminate the shed that makes it easier I may be easier to knock it down than do anything else right okay um just on my end Fred the the letter made reference to um lot numbers I did get those from
tax the tax assessor so I just hand this to you 6.01 6.0 great thank you um and we do have some updated plans for the burlingon county um planning board but we'll talk about that so with regard to the lot numbers lot numbers
are assigned by the Township tax tax assessor for those that don't know um sometimes they're called A and B on a plan or they invent their own numbers just for the sake of making an application but now the proper numbers are shown on the plan as uh for the tax
assessor thank you that's all we had what's that that's all we had from your letter I think we addressed everything that you wanted us to address sure the others were minor title block sheet and just had there a signature I know this was kind of developed as a file plot
most larger subdivisions are filed as plats it's a paper that goes to the county in myar this is going to be filed by deed correct so you will submit the deed to our solicitor and the legal descriptions to us and we'll review those right I just want other than that
I just wanted to point out the variances I don't know if you wanted to run through those few variances that are being created uh there are many non-conforming conditions out there already right but by cutting it in half now it's mostly side and rear yard issues so are they both conforming Lots
when we do this they are not neither lot is conforming um the current lot conforms with I don't know with two structures I don't even know if that conforms uh but currently there's uh the minimum lot area for the commercial property is
5,000 s 5,000 square feet we're going down to 3,173 so basically cutting off the house the house is 25 500 squ ft they made that a nice even number whereas 3500 is required for
every single family home so you go out there you can see they're undersized the the shed takes the entire backyard correct it's uh they're very small Lots so do you want to run through them we'll go through them together or just you mind yeah I I don't mind doing it no so
for the commercial property obviously we're cutting the back between the homes the minimum Lots size for the commercial property 5000 whereas they have 3173 they're creating so they're creating their own hardship as a result
of this subdivision the next one is the impervious cover um not more than 70% of the area a lot maybe occupied by the buildings which I don't think that is an issue but the maximum impervious is 85 and you're at 95.3 uh the number went up a little bit
because it used to have some of the grass around the house for the lot but the reality is the garage has always been if you look at it 100% impervious so again I think it's just an existing condition that the board should look at I I don't see where you can make lawn or
or peria Surface on this lot currently and the last one for the commercial property is the rear yard you're supposed to have a 20ft rear yard between the house and the property I don't even know if we have we have probably 10 15 fet by cutting this we're
turning it into uh three three feet 3.2 feet again that's that drive we talked about is getting narrow and there's a little backyard so uh there's a distinction but essentially it's the building the building wall then for the residential
lot by cutting this off the residential lot per home has to be 3500 in this Zone and it's going down the 2500 uh in this Zone which is the DB right residentials treated as the R2
Zone this is just so you know and then there's something else that's treated as the ra and you have to kind of Chase these things around so again we know the lot's small there's no backyard there's very little sidey yard um so that's just the variance the next one is the minimum lot width this one's almost there the
minimum lot width in the zone is 50 and you're at 46 let me see I get 46 29 so this is not a bad one this is they're pretty close um and I guess that's all I have as far as the variances that are new that are being created what's that
that's it that's it want to throw some more in there oh there are a lot of ex but I Nick how do we treat the pre-existing non-conforming do you want to go through them or just take them as pre-existing non-conforming uh I would just say they're pre-existing non-conforming
uses a pillow I have one question the the house is a single family home right yes and in the r there's two to single 4 home Square ft requirement is 6,000 and I see on the plan it is 3500 that is not
correct if it is a two family then each family per dwelling per family 3500 so the 3500 presented on the drawing for the residential is not a correct one minimum size requirement is 6,000 just I want to bring it to the attention oh you're right I'm sorry the letter yeah
item D in the letter does say 6,000 3500 is if you build a twin you need 3500 per unit if you build a Triplex you would need 3500 time 3 so that's I I apologize Prett de you're right it does identify as 6,000 for single family and what what
what's it going to be left with so the variance goes from 6,000 to 2500 well currently the entire parcel is if you can help me out the entire parcel is how many square
fet either Fred or 673 the existing lot the whole thing the entire thing where 6,000 is required for a single family home and you get I do apologize for that it's 3500 per family for multiple at the same time uh for the business minimum
required size is 5,000 versus it's a 3173 both lots are non-confirming they need the area variance for both the Lots we've gone through that and either Fred or a solicitor can explain to the board member about the benefit or
detriment of the area variance what benefit or what detriment of the area variance if the board approves that so those understanding you guys please explain to the board members so board members can make a determination on that if the area
variance is required what is the benefit and what is a detriment to the surrounding or the other properties in the district right that would be the applicant's task to identify I think we heard from the applicant in the beginning that she's having TR not trouble but the difficulty
you see or see trying to sell a property with a residential and Commercial component is there anything else you can add to that um regarding these variances I know they're both variances but is mentioning the area variance so yeah I mean clearly
the um the garage could use some work and no one's going to invest in it unless they they can buy it and make use of it they're not going to be able to buy buying this house which is going to be a real challenge for any person who wants to run a car repair shop or
whatever so I think that the benefit is to um do what should have been done a long time ago which is to separate the commercial use from the residential property and make this uh more even though the lot areas are obviously a challenge that's the way it was built um
it was already uh way under uh siiz from for decades and and now we're just trying to make it usable for lack of a better work can I can I ask the applic question when did you build the house or Joe when was the house built did you
guys build it was in the it was in the 50s I'm sure it was there he looks that old but he's not really quite that old was deserve that think it's that old okay it looks nice and it's in great shape and everything it's yeah I I'm sure that's in 50s and the garage is
probably even older than that probably 20s used to be used to be G station at one time didn't it are there any tanks left in the ground from the exip no I have all the paper everything's all removed oh yeah and I got it's been remediated and approved by the D that's
done it was up for sale years before she bought it uh before her and her husband bought it right and it was up for sale for a couple years and U it just couldn't sell it that was d right he went back he well
that went through uh repo or whatever it was bank owned at the time that they B yeah so we are looking at five new variances and the applicants agreed to do or provide uh compliance
with the letter we' written dated November 11th is that correct yes okay that's that's really all there is unless you have questions of it's an undersized lot that doesn't really conform to anything currently and now it's going to be subdivided to allow the
sale of a small lot for a single family home and a commercial piece out front so are there any restrictions on what that can go into that commercial spot because of the size of it I think not well that I don't know there it's
whatever is permitted in the DB Zone U sure it's it's a unique piece of property yes a rep and and just to say if someone buys that house yeah and was interested in that commercial property
would they be able to do that and turn that into residential or would always have to stay it always have to stay um commercial commercial is residential permitted in the downtown business yes right residential is permitted with a
condition that the retail component should be at the ground floor and residential should be upstairs no residential occupancy is permitted on the downtown B istic at the ground Flor what about the condos that are next door they're pre they retail preexisting
that's all retail first FL the existing oh the other side oh I'm just thinking that's why I asked the first question what's on the second floor was might have a buyer I'm
concerned when we do this are we creating a lot that is just really an albatross going to be sitting there that size on Main Street well what I see is there's a lot now that if somebody did purchase it they to do anything like you're saying uh I need
more space they would have to knock the house down and that's why I'm hesitant of subdividing it I don't think one is worth anything without the other no I disagree that I'm sorry um I'm not I'm don't get mad at me I'm
sorry I I'm seeing it if we make the house sellable that's fine but now we're stuck with a PO St right how big is that L um I mean it's it's 3173 that's insane to be fronting on our
main street that we think is going to become some type of a business oh I think there'll be many visitors that could operate out of that shop many it with all due respect the shop is not in the best of shape oh it's a block building it's it's building I know it's
not in the best of shape chairman the lot is 54 by 54 essentially so that's what it is that is being created the lot is being created I think somebody coming in and looking at that parcel would want
the house as leverage and as you say maybe knock it down and put a fullblown business which would be nice right but I understand the house is nice and I'm I'm I'm kind of txed in between I'm kind of to be Twix and between I I just don't
see the value of that lot sitting there the house would be fine I mean and then that would sell if you choose to sell it I understand that but now the township is stuck with this postage size stamp on Main Street that we're going to try to do something with but it's always been
like that yeah but it's it's not going to be that way forever it's not going to be that way forever that place I know it's a repair shop there's no there's very little parking there for repairing and all that we know not an easy site for a repair shop it would call in my estimation I
don't think a when that re repair shop goes they're not going to put another repair shop there people are not going to go expose themselves to parking all over the streets so forth and so on Mr Dugan I think you know just a counter what you're saying uh let's say that what's next door to that the laundry
laundry laundry laundry so in this case it would be a lot easier for the to sell that property to the laundry M if they wanted to put paring there for example so I think this idea might give her more options when and if she decides to sell
either of these two properties and they're not I I think the whole thing is they don't want to be bound to the properties if you're saying it's a Township's problem but it's actually daren's problem right well right now until she finds a buyer and when more when when when she makes her decision
then it becomes a Township we're the person purchasing it we get to go I'm I'm just I'm not not trying to throw I'm just telling you what what the liabilities can be when we do something like this we are creating a lot on Main Street that is just
useless useless so in future if the independent commercial Pro commercial lot will become no one can build anything then it becomes very difficult you know see current how is that different than today like what explain
to me they have the The house's Leverage the current current lot they the house Lage if somebody wanted to put a real business in there they would knock that house down and they would move it back just like that the business next door current lot is a conforming lot we are creating no two non-conforming lots no
it's not that's the point it's not conforming no if it is that if you identify is a downtown business district the area of the lot if I explain you how it works the size of the area in the downtown business district is more than
the residential district then entire lot to be considered on the basis of the uh whichever the lot falls into which zone District if the lot is divided into two Zone District the major area of the land
in a Zone District that zone District uh requirement should fulfill so if it is a major area is in down town then the lot area all the yard area variance and side front yard side rear yard all the bulk
measurements should be considered for the downtown business so I I don't see the first thing uh this drawing missing lot of things I don't want to comment is engineer jur addiction what missing on this it does not interpret where the lot
line where the Zone district line is once we have the Zone district line then the applicants should present what is a how much area in a DB Zone how much area in the art Zone and entire partial is in a DB Zone par the entire partials in a
DB Zone the D downtown business Zone extends across the alley right so right so there's no no residential Zone here right the house is treated as an R2 Zone through the DB Zone correct is that because it's already existing it's already existing any residential in the
DV is treated as the R2 uh o standards that was pre-existing because prip said earlier if you build a new one the bottom would have to be retail that's that's for new correct okay if entire 8,000 and some change Square ft lot is in a DB
Zone then the then all the bulk requirements should be on the basis of the DB Zone Downtown business Zone BCT it should not be considered that you cannot compare with a r S2 Zone because this property is situated in a DB all
the bulk requirements should satisfy the requirement of the DB and if it is not satisfied then they have to ask for the variance for that it's up to the board how to or which are the variances you want to approve but it is up to the
board determination well they need the both variances regardless they're asking for those yes there are some non-conformances but if because they have presented rds2 and
DB if the lot is enter into DB they could not separate the two separate District DB and R2 and they canot prep are you saying it's in the R2 a par portion of the site is in the R2 zone is that what you're saying no that's what my question to the aant because well I'm not following I'm
sorry on this drawing they have to put the district line where the DB and where the R2 which line right district line is identified on the zoning map it's on the right hand center of the sheet I've gone to our official zoning map and
I've identified that and I just explained to the board that the R2 residential zone is on the other side of this unnamed alley I know it's a bad copy but checked
our official FR Fred when you say other side of the alley do you mean towards Helen Avenue or towards Main Street towards Helen the opposite of Main Street yeah just want to make sure so spray yeah
because this is purely the D up but when you have residential existing residential in the DB Zone it has to be treated as an R2 okay for bulk standards but nothing really
changes for when we subdivide it's the same I it's a pre-existing nonform currently you could say the commercial property conforms to lot size but it has a house on it so so it
doesn't say so I I'd like to say because 5,000 square feet is required on Main Street Z the site's over 5,000 3,000 it's 5,600 say and it's going to be 3,000 ask a 30 35 3500 or something so that is a
step in a positive direction as far as both variances are concerned or variances they're both existing so positive [Applause] direction so so as far as things that could be used with that being a 3173
foot commercial like what just it said the laundry M could buy it it could be used as a parking could be used for some small it's not a high use for I would think unless you know I I can't Envision what would come in but small computer shop pots Pizza what
is pizza that's we need piz Pizza over parking for the CER down the road no you don't want to park L on Main Street but I mean something small I
think that would be it are allowing to use the property for the residential [Applause] purpose this application was minutes try to remember prob know what it was
this is the downtown district can go through here isable is residential comp pered any residential ding should be considered as yeah that's what was
saying but when we separate the Lord how the use will be separated well it's already an existing building so it'll still get the R2 treatment it says existing residential buildings so it's still going to be existing no matter what
okay okay all right okay what's next sir so what do we think think we have to ask the board if they have any questions that's what I'm
asking that's what I'm asking I wasn't talking to myself are you planning on staying in the house are you planning on maybe sell the whole thing as a package deal uh depends on what happens here I don't
know not sure yet if I'm going to stay or not you know but selling it as a package is probably not going to happen because we've been down that road before and it didn't happen um so I just thought it would be beneficial
to split the two up and have two entities and two tax bills um yes MH and and you wouldn't have a tenant more than likely someone's going to buy the house and hopefully they live in it she doesn't want to be a landlord
that's that's for sure yeah um so if it's not subdivided and she stays there then you have this empty then she's going to rent well she's going to rent the garage out okay to the first person that's going to come along and then someone to a repair shop I mean that's
that's what's going to wind up happening but we can do that without the subdivision but then you can't sell you could only it as a right you can only rent it she can't
sell sell it to somebody she wants out she wants to sell she wants to sell both prop I just thought it'd be so much it'd be advantageous to everybody I thought well and I'm not split into I'm just bringing up questions that has to be answered before off both entities and be
done because it's going to be a really really tough sale just as one years I really I think that's just my opinion no no can I just ask one question is um so let's say you let's say you're permitted to subdivide it you own both properties
correct she she she but uh if you sell one she sells the residential yes you still have the commercial you're going to maintain that upkeep it until someone else until it sells yes oh is it okay because I mean that's not a
guarantee either no nothing's a guarantee right that's in taxes yeah yeah I mean it could be subdivided and be a commercial property that you own for many years as well it could be yeah um
I have a question if if we do subdivide it sell at the house and you say we the uh shop doesn't sell uh and she wants to then rent it did I did we change the position of
making this a rentable garage we did no it's still commercial still commercial and still rentable at that okay I just didn't want to I didn't want to put her in a worse position than she's in I want to I'm trying to improve the position she's in because this is this is her this is everything I mean
this is this is what she was left the property no and I I'm trying to get as much I think separate they would be worth more and it would be easier to sell and everything else and she needs
this I'm sorry put it that way but anybody have any other thoughts on it um I have a question would a business um that wanted to buy the property as one lot um have to come in for a uh
variance because it's a pre-existing R2 um like for a change of use or because it's non-conforming as an R2 preexisting R2 every change in use would have to come in okay so they'd have to come in either way they can request a waiver of
site plan but they would have to appear before you yes okay none of that changes with the lot changes okay any more questions what's the board's feelings on the decision anybody from the public
oh this time I'm going to open it up to the public does anybody in the public have any input into this application as we're hearing it seeing n I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion motion to close second all those in favor I oppose thank
you I was just about to say the same thing I was just about to say I'm gonna get from both sides do I have a motion I'll make a motion to what split the lot approve approve the lot approve the application have a
second second okay roll call P please matus approv Daniel McDonald approve CLA wpe approve Emily walles yes Maran Constantine approved Justin bnet
yes Joseph Duan yes thank you hope we see a big beautiful something in there you'll see something but it won't be big I'll guarantee you
just beautiful you won't see anything big a coffee shop there would be something something everybody keeps talking about wanting a coffee shop open coffee just want to put for S side somebody else with that idea I'm not
making coffee I'm done all done ice cream coffee I'm in the I'm in the coasting down the hill thatc here all block building block building what's that block yeah it's a block build and there's an upstairs there is an upstairs
that's frame the shop upstairs you go buy it every day did you yeah I'm trying to think of what it was when I grew up there always always a gas station was little kid yeah when I was a kid it was a gas station who owned as a gas station um originally I don't
know but you're found when he was a kid um Dave's Dave's Uncle Dave's uncle Ralph Ralph andin yeah that's all I know yeah who is his brother yes yes that's right yeah was
that when it was a taxi uh when they were running the taxis out of there I don't know about that okay all right never mind sorry I'm staying you can go you're staying okay she had so much fun thank you everyone take care now good Lu Good
Luck Good Luck Good Luck whatever the future are you staying for the next one Ellen okay next item on the agenda 18 East Main Street block 9.01 lot 7 August shade laser crafts it's a downtown business DV
existing use was a vacant church space proposed use craft oper and retail sales they wanted to see and layered wood wool hang there it's not beds oh Goods but you said you
wanted to see what I do so can I have this take it off the rent we had asked at site plan that they bring samples right lights up the manger it lights up H this might be considered
bribery you know make sure you take them with you when you go they wanted to see an example you Firehouse right huh you go to the Firehouse um I was but I'm too busy to do that right now yeah but you did yeah I did I think I have your angel
did you make Ang oh okay yeah I have to I have to recuse myself oh I already bought one of his products okay enen you're on all right all right so um Justin um where did the Baptist Church go this is the original Oh The Episcopal Church the Episcopal
Church they didn't they didn't survive they didn't have enough congregants um we're going to pass this around the church even went right Episcopal Church yeah that's what he I think they
watch so Justin um was uh located on South Fork Landing Road um but that building um is being sold or has been sold or something needed to find a new location this uh is a little bigger a little more conducive to him and it
gives him retail space on Main Street which is huge to sell these beautiful products which we all want to see him succeed um so um it's a it's a waiver of a cyclan he did make a little nicer
drawing for you all which you're now seeing with some CFT paper supp by we appreciate that his attorney um so um I can let him describe this but uh as you can see the Main Street um
side is on the right there is a conveniently enough because we are seeking this conditional use approval because in downtown business you can have a retail store but if you're going to make your goods you have to have uh approval for conditional use and there
are conditions including that the retail space be separated from the Craft Space or the construction space whatever you want all that production space and um this this building is particularly suited to that I guess he should be
swearing I'm sorry yeah no problem can you please raise your right hand oh you stand up you swear air the test man we gave tonight be the truth the whole truth and nothing about the truth I swear okay as it as it happens I own this building so I'm probably going on a little more
arily would but it is um nicely suited for this because as you can see in about a third of the way off of Main Street there is a wall there and I think if I'm not mistaken that that opening is only about 30 in it's not yeah it's super so
um like like that yeah so this is a perfect way to sort of separate the retail use which will be in the front right from the production use which will be in the back which is the back door into the parking lot so um I think
Justin what is your proposal for closing that entryway or that hallway off uh I was thinking like could because it's a weird size like I couldn't really just buy a door so I was going to get like one of those curtain rods that you can tighten and it just have a curtain
hanging right there so it separ it would be separated from the I I don't think I think it's it's a perfect location as far as I'm concerned I think the only question that we would have is you're going Jo and be in the center of a residential how much noise is involved in your construction of these things uh
I've asked the people upstairs and they don't even hear it okay and I've asked the the guy who owns the liquor store and he's like no everything's good you know he doesn't even hear it okay I think that's the only question to be honest with you if it's going to be I'm getting you next no I just I
thought can we just go I only have four comments so I thought as we go through this maybe to help it along okay um you would mention that the ordinance because it is a conditional use in this Zone in the D again we're in the DB Zone it's a conditional use and it the ordinance
actually cites the following I just wanted to read it um standards established which cites crafts or custom operations where articles are made and sold on site provided that all non- retail activities shall be effectively
screened from the sales display area so that's where he was talking about the curtain right the board has to make a decision is that effectively screening I I don't I don't even think that's an issue even putting a c a curtain rod off to me like there's a wall there yes I'm
just bringing the ordinance to your attention that that's that's the condition so and the sketch is 100 times better than the one you brought to us yeah it took me a while and then he had me tell me it has to be all in one so then I
redid it again so we were thinking there was two stories that he was going down the basement that I didn't so this is pretty much going to be set up like the art store was yes exactly it's retail in the front right and when you do the crafts and
whatever in the back and just yeah yeah yeah and like I don't know the interpretation of screening like to me I'd rather as a customer walk in and actually see what's going on in the back to see the you know the lasers running I think would be much cooler than not but I don't again I don't know the
interpretation of what screening is would it be better to have like a half door there or some some type that you could see when someone comes in if you're running the lasers will you hear a bell go off I'm going to have a doorbell yeah or is the existing condition with a small opening considered effectively screening this
that way he could see people com yeah you need to cease when they're coming in unless you're going to have I mean I can put I could put like a um like basically like a doggy door or something you know where it could swing open you know let the the the question that came up at site plan is that access to the store
is off the parking lot and from Main Street they have to come through the work area the question poses right retail customers would have to walk through the retail we talked about show them that I took a picture of the and that's the we spoke about a cardor or
something to separate that so I just wanted to tell you that's what was discussed at right well it makes sense right I mean from being over at the other one that I was at 16 South people used to love coming back back and seeing the I'm sure I I would be one back there
I got news for you and the way it seems like the way you have a positioned it's not out in the middle of the the area there's plenty of totally separate Walk to Walk yeah this is um I took a picture so
this is just have to have ear ear covered when you right I was standing at the back oh okay so you're already in yeah yes oh yeah but not open but not open I'm just
I keep the door locked all the time out front so I just point to the board if you look at this Photograph that's been provided you'll see on the left side there's ventilation systems in there and that's one of the comments in my letter that I just want to discuss with the applicant and that is the fumes that
come out we'll talk about that when we get to there but I just want you to notice that everything is ventilated from um I guess the lasers or whatever you're using MH did you also ask the upstairs tenants about that yeah nobody's complaining about anything so
there's no they're not complaining about no nothing at all and I asked CU um my mother-in-law knows the owner of uh um that uh trading store or something um art arts and draf thing yeah and and
he's dating the woman who lives upstairs really yeah so welcome to Maple [Laughter] sh it's officially on the record they're dating every
time issues they said abely no we don't even know you're down there it's a smoke from the smoke coming out from the laser inside it gets sucked out through an assist band and then it gets dispersed out above I have it going do
we have pictures of that from yeah you have the I I I'm saying it's below the window I would say it should be above the window because I know back when I did construction a stack for smoke is 10 ft back 2T above that highest point
I could extend it up yeah but I mean complain depending on the way the winds blowing technically that could go right one there that's just about just I would just say extend the stack further I'm not sure what the code was you probably check with the fire I
would have the fire marshal whatnot check be yeah right so what we're speaking about now is item three that's the third item in the letter and that stack first thing I thought it was something that would get hot so it was concerned then you you indicated it's
just smoke that's coming out just smoke yeah the lady now may not be impacted by it but it just seems like it should be extended as Matt Matt says uh above that roof and if that is that a possibility that you could do that yeah I think that's the smartest thing to do no dust
comes out of that does it no but again it would be a noxious it's fumes not Everyone likes to smell the burning wood and no you know it's like changing of the what is is that pushing out if it's not pushing out your dust what where does your dust go and all that my dust
yeah oh there is no dust okay it's just a l just a laser that shoots down the wood so why is this here what this the stack oh for the smoke it's the laser cuts the wood laser cuts the smoke inside of the machine and it pulls it
out and goes outside I would would I'm afraid in the summertime she opens up her windows and that's going to be coming in her Direction may she maybe we should extend it yeah the
recommendation from our off would be re extend so above the height of the window above the height of the window above the roof yeah you check with the construction Cod or the fire department to make sure it's it's in compliance because it is in theory a
stack right so you're saying to put it through the roof no just higher whatever whatever construction code be it is an exhaust I it's they consider that performing or not exhaust fan for a kitchen just blowing heat and
smell out this is smoke so I'm not sure what the construction code requirement going PR could he check with you I don't think I'll check with okay thank you so you agree to do that okay great
just thank you Claire has a point if we raise it up high higher aren't we going to be locking it into that the E where the above the roof an elbow so it's going above it's going up
up to the roof right going to go not through around it but it will be on top of the roof when it pends up okay Fire official says whatever we understand where that's going now okay clear so what do you do with
your um waste your trash what what kind of trash do you generate uh it's just basically the it's they look like uh stencils really like the heart you know gets cut out and it's a stencil of a heart and I just throw it in a trash and put it out you know in the back where I
do and the trashman just dump it so do you have a trash can back there I have two yeah and the residential tenants do as well yeah they yeah they have them they have theirs locked up but I use mine indoors until it's Monday night and then I drag them out and put them back I was going say where are they stored that
was the last comment is waste and recycling so where do you store this stuff you stored inside your building yeah yeah it's just a huge cardboard box like you know half of this table and then I just throw it in there and when it gets really full I dump it into the
trash cans and and Ellen where do the residential store their waist is it on that side there yeah there's a little alley with a gate yeah it's a gate there yeah yeah that's on the picture this one yeah yeah okay and that shash has to be put out on
Main Street no nailing okay at this time I'm going to open this hearing up to the public does anybody in the public have any input into this hearing as we're hearing it seeing none aren't any a motion to close the public hearing sh move second
all those in favor I I oppos any more questions from the board just one are you just selling your products or will you be selling anything else uh right now it's my products but I had brought that up to uh Mr pip and um he was saying that I couldn't really make it
like a co-op because it is a big space in there and I was thinking I would bring in like a couple of my other friends who do you C you could no he cannot because he he's receiving the approval as a conditional use uses all manufacturer item at the back he can
sell it if he want to bring the outside item and sell then he has to add on the use as a retail also he can include if he want to it is up to him but I explain him that you are for the conditional use so item prepared and sell at the front
if you want to bring from outside then it is a retail component that you someone or you can bring the merchandise from outside you just sell it so it's a retail component here if is there an additional cost to that no there is no cost it is about it is just to get a
retail requirement that he can include into the application he can he can suggest he would have to come back to us if he doesn't do it now no yeah if he does now he need not to come back so so let's ask the board if they will allow we should address that now
yes people's crafts in cell and they can grant that approval tonight if they find that you okay and if you don't have anybody come in then it's fine but if you do and and you don't get that approv now I would like to I'd like to help out
some of the friends in town yeah the only exception I would say is if somebody else is going to be working and making something on your property no then we would want you to come back yeah no they would be just bringing it in so they would just be a help to you to make your products very good well to sell the
products and sell and sell them bring more right yeah okay no I can okay that makes sense that makes sense things you couldn't find in like stores well you could stay in the back and do your work and somebody would be out front I got you okay that makes sense well other people's products other people's okay
well like Consignment type thing yeah correct including like a consignment so if he is requesting to the board to have the other items other retail component with this approval then it is a change of use from the church to the retail as well as
the conditional use both are permitted as a conditional use as well as as a retail use but in your resolution Nick you will include a change of use as well as a conditional use yes got it I think and uh if Nick wants
you can do the separate motion and seconds for the Reta company okay are there any more questions I think to as part of uh determining if you the board approves or denies the retail component just when
you ask for approval just state that also includes a retail yes okay well when you make the motion if you're going to make the motion make the motion that includes a retail por I'm on theot okay you're on yes I would like to make a motion to for the change and including the
retail second roll call the DAT please we're shopping matus proove Dani mcdonal Pro CLA W yes Emily Wallace yes Maran
Constantine yes Justin banon yes just chairman Duan yes good luck good luck thank you so much now I'm out of here are you sure we're not done yet be sure to stop in and see this is
just some of the thing there's a lot more different stuff good holid everyone thank you layers yeah that's what it is it's all like this is I made this one 10 layers of wood different woods and then
they get glued together and I put a back on them and they're totally sealed so they put this in the with the steam it's not going to affect anything we also discussed after the meeting but you'll be putting a sign out front that's made out of artwork
perpendicular to the building so it looks like a Main Street good luck good luck a question so you know where the Palace of Asia is Palace of Asia yeah it's right next of Asia to say we take your furniture and
sell it and all that it's not that place on down ready she she's exactly she I know where it's at I was looking for you today I couldn't find okay it was the Old Atlantic water you remember that one no could he couldn't
remember that just like I can't remember what was before was that the 80s next item on the agenda 482 Route 38 block 13 73.015 dream world Furniture Incorporated the zone is business
development the existing use is a vacant mattress store the proposed use as a retail furniture store you're on good evening Mr chairman members of the board staff my name is Mike Mckenna I'm an attorney with McKenna law just down the street on 38 and uh I'm happy to be able to bring
this application to you I know I've done some work in this town I know how they feel about vacancies anytime you can fill a long vacant store with an owner operation uh it's a good thing I'm here with Victor uh Lopez tonight he in the Fe he's going to but just let me Yak a
little bit I just want to tell you why I'm here and uh and then we'll let him roll and tell you uh the story uh but uh Victor's the second generation of a family store uh chain uh they have four different stores this will be the fourth actually it'll be the first one they own
them so this is a big step for them they also have a warehouse from which they do all their shipping and pens salking so these are essentially showrooms they not swapping out of inventory they stock it they sell it from there and they ship it from the
other place so we have oodles and pictures to to if you need them to uh allay any concerns that you might have showing you the pens talkin facility the dumpsters over there the trash facilities all of that and we're going to run through that testimony but I'm happy to also tell you that when I got
the uh review letter from Mr toric we chatted we laughed we cried but we've got we've got we've got Med mind such such that I I think we know going forward that what we have to do what we want to do happens
to be what Fred wants us to do uh so we rather than spend a lot of money on Engineers drawing the stuff we're just going to goe and do it so with that I'd like to introduce and have someone victed Tes Lopez I keep saying forgive me now we'll meet the furniture owner yes please raise your right hand
yes sir do you swear from the test we give tonight be the truth the whole truth nothing about the truth yes sir okay let's sit Victor you are the uh uh applicant and also the owner of the real estate yes okay and uh did I speak truth when I said that you're a second
generation family business very proud of yes okay is this the fourth facility that you will be opening up for the retail sale of furniture yes is the retail sale of furniture exactly what was in the building before yes okay so um your other facilities are as I
understand in Blackwood pens Philadelphia and where's the other one and and uh and your Warehouse is also in your uh largest uh in the same time as your larg store in pens correct okay where in pens um store versus store and warehouse
warehouse both about 20,000 Square ft what street she what street uh Crescent oh M now in any of your stores do you sell from the show no okay now do some furniture
Shores stores as Mr Tor suspected do some actually sell from this store room and therefore generate a lot of trash at the store rooms or showrooms I should say not at the stores okay but you guys don't do it because you've got the warehouse correct okay how how are your deliveries handled
uh folks come in they see something they like you vote they buy it now what happens what's the process from there we can go delivery they we ship it from the warehouse uh you have trucks yes we do they kept at the warehouse they kept the warehouse will trucks ever be kept at this facility no now you do have to
stock the store right you have to stock the store with your sales items of course okay so there'll be a time when you'll be basically unwrapping an entire two stories of furniture that you'll lay out and we're going to show for that but
that's that's the one time you'll be unwrapping okay fair enough what CH trash then would be generated at the site mostly personal trash from Office you know do full stuff
daily stuff okay and uh are you nevertheless prepared to uh place a thumpster on the property we for to yes and uh will that you actually already contracted the carding company that was both of your neighbors you thought that'd be
convenient that's Republic stop Yes okay do when you went over there to get Republic off the two neighbors dumpsters were they either either of them in enclosures no okay would you prefer not to have an enclosure I prefer not to do okay but if
this board feels strongly about you'll comply right okay what's your experience with the dumpster enclosures though I mean you um you've been through this yeah yeah yeah the damages of the trucks and the accumulation of you know dirt
and stuff it's it's it's a bit messy it's a main this issue yeah okay but we'll follow the your whatever the board wants and we're going well when we get to that uh but you have a place for it that would be behind out of sight from our neighbors in the traffic okay when you first he saying he's not going to
use a dumpster is that what no no no he certainly going to use it yes he wants that okay but he have War close but he can get it behind the building he's okay so can you just pull the microphone closer are you catching me not that you want to but I yeah yeah I didn't want to
tell you now did you uh when you first uh did we provide the township at the committee level with the floor plans yes do you all have those I brought extra copies in the event it's hard to put your hands on but Mr TK raised it and so I just want to make sure if you'd like
us to go through it it's simple it's a free span uh first floor with a mezzanine second floor not any walls just like a furniture store should be so they can lay out the furniture but I'm happy to walk you through it I've got extra copies thinking that maybe you
wouldn't have had it we got you do okay so then let's just uh do you need us to walk through I mean I could it can't be a simple floor plan because there's no walls but uh let let's just why don't you take us through first page of Victor
is in fact the uh anybody not have one because it's easy to pass them out what's on the what's on the first floor Victor and just take us around it's an open it's an open place no walls okay four walls on the way that's it restrooms
uh we have two okay and uh stairs to the second floor okay we have one yes all right are there also outside stairs to the second floor yes okay in the re part of the building okay uh and and uh we've seen from the exterior pictures Windows
all the way around on the bottom and top floor yes on the front of the building okay how about second floor equally clear clear span yes same okay yeah and it piix the and by the way you take right authorship this is your sketch
that's my sketch fair enough but Mr asked us to show every window every door and did you do that Faithfully I did of course I hope it was clear enough yeah we don't have it either is it just is it just this is it just this drawing that you're talking
about no that's the survey that's the survey so yeah we'll wait for you to catch up there isn't much to it but uh it was so we wanted to show you the way it lays out as it clear span mezanine second floor first floor yeah you
did so let's just give them a minute okay yeah this lot everything yeah the survey I'm sorry no problem I had instincts that I ought to have these and pass them out but when you said had okay so uh taking it from the top
did you at at uh Pip's request show all the windows all the doors uh all the uh stairways in short everything that was along the internal uh outside walls yes there's no inside walls right no so are
you going to lay this out or you get interior de there's a w yes right is that a half wall or full W yeah it's a high wall half wall yeah it's a high wall so what's the plan for laying it out or do you have to wait to get the furniture up there to figure it out you mean to uh to lay out the furniture and
is there going to be any interior walls put up no no there going to be an open plan okay yeah all right so I think that answers the question about the floor plan and how's it going to lay out you're going to lay it out with Furniture like rooms true yes yes so how we do it yeah have an
office no we'll have we will have a desk uh somewhere yeah to receive the clients yes thank you so you're the guy that jumps up off his desk when somebody comes in yeah and then then getting aside this is going to be your store yes
okay so the meet meet the town this is your town and this is this is your new business owner operator okay so the lighting that you took some photos of um that is presently existing true yes and you looked at historical photos that's been the
lighting that's been on this property since as far back as you can go yes you've been there at night working on the interior is it your view the lighting that's outside adequate uh for security and for safety but not so much that it's spilling off into the other
properties yes you submitted some uh photographs some nighttime photographs to the board and there's a heck of a lot of light spillage into you but you don't care about that right no right are you satisfied with the lighting as it is it surrounds the perimeter yes okay you'll
maintain that lighting as is yes okay you have no pole lights or anything else outside or no plan right in fact let's get this clear you don't plan any exterior improvements on this Pro you're here at the request of the T okay
so there was a time when uh you first went to Mr prip and did he speak to you uh about whether to what extent you had access off of Route 38 there a common driveway that yeah yeah okay so then you consulted me yes I ordered for you a
title report and a survey TR correct and doesn't the title report and Survey show that it is you not the other folks that have the driveway ownership yes and you've granted them your predecessors have granted them yes access easements yes we're owner your owner actually also
gave a sewer easement to one guy and a water easement to to the other so they're all been coming through you to get to their properties yes okay fair enough but there is no access easement for the property to the rear you coming through from the hotel through that fence true correct
okay okay so we talked then once we submitted the survey and the um uh the uh photos and the title report to uh the town we came into a subcommittee troop yes got some input good input from them
yes based on that input did you go ahead and paint the entire building we did did you go ahead and paint the striping we've got photographs folks but it's white but now it's really bright white it's really a well done job um and you also painted the striping yes we okay Mr
T already had a comment on that let's see where my photographs are Mike if I could just go back one second Mr chairman uh you had indicated that uh the applicant owns the driveway coming in off of grout 38 the applicant
actually has a 10t wide easement on the diner or the restaurant's property per the survey uh that I have so that driveway is according to what is provided from the survey a
shared driveway with an access easement that's probably more accurate from the restaurant to uh the applicant that's that's what I see here I prer the engineer on such matters but I had read it contrarily in the documents in the narratives I'm just Nares the narratives
were pretty confusing because they went back and forth and it was a grant to us but bottom line is the concern was are we allowed to get in there right and the answer is absolutely yes okay good so I passed up photos um I passed up the painting photos just to show you what a
good job was done on the exterior candidly when we first came into town we weren't going to do it not right away we wanted to get the revenue going but we took the input we went ahead and did that did you also go ahead clean up the landscaping around the perimeter yes and have you already talked to landscapers
about the the precise exact places for landscaping augmentation that Mr Tor comments upon including even and I didn't know you were thinking this some larger stuff on the Eastern side to break up that facade yes you had that in mind yeah you're prepared to do that but
not until the spring correct all right and is that landscapers SE now if I might suggest in this question would you be willing to accept some uh species suggestions from M VOR of course yes because I know you don't want height
coming up off of that yeah bed in the front you don't want anything Block in your windows of course not but you want height on the side so yeah on the side of fair enough okay so we've done the painting we've done that um you have hired and uh a parting company did you
also go to a fencing company for an enclosure should the board uh I don't want to say help but suggest that you uh have that fence uh enclosure good case yes and on your survey have you in fact the survey that folks clear folks saw it thinking it was the floor button have
you in fact marked places where you think it could go and where you prefer it yes okay you'll do what they say of course okay did I ask you about well let's do this because I'm not sure I do uh we did hours of operation yet think I skipped
the spot we have hours of operation I did no you skipped it let's do it then uh what are your hours of operation um 10 to 8 Monday through Saturday 12:00 to 4: Sundays okay and what are the shifts like how many people how many
people that's a better way two on this on this location two okay and and you're one of them oh yeah it's long sounds like a long day yeah I'm used to it 30 years fair enough and uh so will will two be the total number of employees at the at the location yes okay now you're
going to play that by year you don't want to make it a Blood Oath here that if you have a good day or there a sale you're not going to add a third true depends on how busy we get through you know what if you got a p off which is your bus busiest story no we have four
on the floor there and one secretary okay all right fair enough so why don't you say up to four or something well we just want to tell you that're we're not going to book more than we need we adjust as but up to between whatever just to get the business will normally tell us how many people we need as we go
so as many in fact you're busy store in this in this whole Enterprise it has four people correct okay so thank you it's a good tip up to four okay so that's hours of operation that's your trash that's your lighting that's your landscaping that's your painting uh and you have striped uh the
parking lot as well yes uh why don't we switch to the engineer and let him well I was just going to hear it was a wrap up okay uh you authorize me to write a response letter to the engineer yes and uh so unless you all want us to go through that we've responded and basically almost every response begin
with the word what took place okay yeah sure thank you for that I guess to start out with the applicant before us this evening for a site plan waiver we have identified some items that we think should be provided I'll go through those in a
moment turning template where exactly the trash enclosure is the detail for that trash enclosure there were some samples provided but there was still some additional information that would be needed um so I guess this is my my
question to the attorney how do we look at a site plan waiver and kind of balance that with getting some information shown even if it's on the survey uh that becomes a record so from enforcement prip could say trash
enclosure is supposed to be here this lands caping supposed to be here and those types of things are you speak well we can talk specifically while looking at the survey uh but I mean there is the the whole
point here is it's a waiver of the site plan so if the board's going to agree to that uh is there such a thing as a modified that they could Mark something up just to provide some proof that there's something on the record uh unless it's good enough to go through
the resol ution and identify items that may be sufficient but I'll go through the letter if you can just keep that in mind as I go through the letter I'm trying to balance getting this building that was a water bed sale I mean how long ago was that well we did this was going on mind when I was reading your report at on
lenol road we took the mattress place out there and made it a some kind of a dollar store and they didn't do a site plan yeah I did the uh the crab boil and we didn't do a site PL and that went we do a s conditions on it and they did a great job right yeah I mean my thought
is really if we're going to let's talk about the trash enclosure if that's what we're going to require I think we just need to be specific about where we want it okay while looking at the survey and then I can try to put those in my resolution this quickly and then maybe the board El hit those items that we
need I don't think they're going to give you trouble when you say I want this to be here I want that to be there right I think they they want to get in there and so I just don't see I can't see making them get a full s blown site I just I agree that's why I'm asking the attorney we're able to do that yes so uh
obviously the in for Sight plan waiver I a letter dated yesterday and I apologize for that uh the number of employees we have already heard about that the hours of operation delivery we heard there's no deliveries really other than setting up there's a change in fashion design
right uh the floor plan I asked that reason because I did not have it and it turns out that we did not have that so now we see the floor plan uh Landscaping just looking at go Earth and seeing what was there to what's there now it's there's Landscaping is lacking and the
applicants agreeing to work with us and again I'm looking for a way that we could make that whether it's on a plan or a concept or a letter something that would be they would submit to me that I take a look at and say that's good that's bad um so I'm not sure how we
handle that without a site plan unless they can just show it on a separate plan a sketch or the survey yeah someone said we could do a sketch okay um I wouldn't again make a full site plan because they're here for the waiver but it could be a sketch of where they propose shrubs
or trees where they just said they would do it's now the details and I guess that's what I'm looking at even with Pep's enforcement it's the details you know what maybe once you go out and look at the site again you can see what you would like to have give it to them can you approve this sign off on it yeah we can do that okay Fred you can give them
the list of spices and based on that they will accommodate into the site and they will provide you the rough sketch and Mr mcken and I can go back and for and get it worked out not too much I'm trying to get this guy open as opposed to make a career out of this site player because landscapers know how
to landscape we're just worried about our species so lighting they've addressed the lighting there's plenty of lighting out there is the lighting we do with sire no but it's pre-existing now so um storage of waste material that I think is the bigger
item uh Mr McKennon mentioned well no one around us has trash enclosures drives me crazy right I I believe we should have a trash enclosure to store the recycling and the waste container in there that would be properly screened they did provide us with some samples of chain link fence
black vinyl chain link fence with the black privacy slats on it that's what was submitted as far as there's a couple extra details that I would want to see where it is we don't really have that there were a couple items scribbled on the survey we could just show that
exactly where we want to have it um the biggest thing with the waste and recycling and I'm going to jump ahead is the circulation uh they provided me a template first where how a truck turns I have that but it's not shown on a plan to show that it can do that accommodate
that uh I would ask that there be a turning circulation template provided even on the survey not looking for a full-blown engineering review but something in between because this is again is our second tight or second third tight site tonight really isn't
there dumpsters on each side of the building how does that truck get in it's I I had thought that that was what our template would demonstrate that you just go right around the building there's no backing up whatsoever um we just want to see that on the okay fine but I'm saying it has to be access if there's two other
ones back there oh no there's no dumpster on this property you're speaking to the dumpster for the motel or the bridal both sides left building the restaurant okay well they don't go through this property they're not no no but I'm saying they
got to have access somewhere along the line I don't know where it is for the restaurant but I think it's important that we see where it circulates yes in the back make sure okay we heard about the waste there will really be very little waste here I assume because it's
a showroom more than anything uh recycling storage we just spoke to that the circulation plan we spoke to that um there was a little detail to show the zoning on the app uh parking lot restriping you said you did restripe it uh regarding the ADA
compliance did you put a conforming sign on the building that has to conform with the mutcd and Mr McKenna will explain what that is there's a sign that needs to say certain things with regard to ADA compliance it does not have the narrative but he did he did actually
clean up and mount the sign and also repaint the graphic so we'll buy our we'll buy ourselves a sign just to make sure it's compliant because that's a civil rights issue we don't want to step on common practice in addition uh there are parking bumper blocks along the building because this parking is paved
right up to the building you know what happens to them over time they move and they wander so I'm asking that they be reset two or three feet from the building you see got room to park if you do that uh yes that's how they originally were okay uh but the last thing we want is this
gentleman's building to get run I mean that's Z as well yeah um okay let me see circulation plan e side of the building I had made a recommendation that Ash on the other side cuz I don't know the truck can circulate I'm not sure how wide Mike do you know how wide that was
on the other side there's a survey but I is beyond my powers to scale it out yeah okay but it's I've got to tell you we know that that's what was done before that's why the the pavement goes right around the front of the store with no parking I I I got to think that it's
something in the order of 20 ft or more 16t okay 16 ft so I I'd asked if that's not going to be utilized to make it back to lawn so we have some more perious surface deal with storm water like we deal in Maple Shade uh that again is at
your discretion uh we've heard the applicant say they need that for circulation so once we have the template if that truck can make that turn and that's what they've been doing very good right we move on um ADA compliance and I brought this up before the ramp to the
building it's an unusual situation it goes down to the front door and I think there's like a little drain there there are compliance requirements that again can be handled through prep or the construction code the width of the uh sidewalk with the railings and the the way the railings I'm just asking that
they be required to conform not that they don't have to conform already but that we make a note in the resolution that they need to conform with all ADA requirements ADA requirements uh signage uh Mr McKenna indicated that they would come back in a future time or the fully compliant with
the township ordinance for signage did you have any idea what you want to do for signage yet or not yet they have the sign but they they think they'll just open with a grand opening we know there's a limit with your patients with those um and they they'll then do the research to see if it's complying but
your your sign will comply with our sign ordinance or we got to come back and if not you'll be back we got to come back it's bad mounted there's no pull mounts right so I think it looks just like the Atlantic water bed place because I I speak C believe it's embarrassing but
our requirements we got it second to last thing um there is a fence and I just point out an encroachment to you your neighbor's fence is on your property and they have a double swing gate for a driveway I don't want them driving through the motel into this property so you've
indicated you would lock that or Prov some method to prevent them from opening that we'll write them a letter let's be good neighbors and start out the right way okay or you may put the trash enclosure at that location also right okay I I just point that out on from the
survey uh testimony regarding improvements to the outside I'm always looking to improve our corridors and I did not go by to see the paint when did you paint the building and finished uh it was finished about three four days ago maybe three or four
days ago again I I've not seen it but I'm always concerned with our car been running down beat down for many years uh we have a very position Maple Shade stuck between what used to be the mortown mall and still the Cherry Hill
Mall U the volume of traffic on Route 38 exceeds many major highways and we all sit in that traffic but it's 40 40 plus thousand cars a day so it's an optimal location to have a business and I'm saying let's always provide it the
courtesy that it deserves and if it's painted it's paint it paint it right so okay um and the last item is the Fire official again any that coming in trash storage you know sometimes if it's closer to the building fire suppression is required but I just put everything to
the Fire official I don't think they should be generating that much trash if it's just a showroom I mean how much how much trash could you be generating I I had dabbled with the idea of do we really need a dumpster because it sounds like my office gets by on a
single trash can it's it's going to be their personal track as far as I I I can see you know now when you bring the furniture there do you unpack it at the warehouse and bring the furniture or do you bring the furniture pack we unpack it at the warehouse for so you're bringing open Furniture to the floor
then opening at the store being damaged and having to go back and forth so we open everything at the warehouse make sure it's uh it's not damaged to the place it on the floor then we take it to the display so you're not bringing the cartons with it when it comes no we brought we actually made photos in case you had the question of the uh three
recycling dumpsters at the warehouse so even if they did bring it they would take it back there and recycle it there if that was the case and that's the testimony so that's that's wonderful I do if if you would entertain me Mr chairman I would just like to do a little blurb so for our education I I'm
learning every day regarding any change in use and sometimes you email to us I'm sorry you emailed it too it's oh okay I just so does any I don't know if everyone's read it it was only no you can't I got it in my pocket if you want okay so any changing use sometimes we
wonder why are they coming in here it was a restaurant now it's a restaurant but I just wanted to read a very brief statement so the board understands why people are coming in here why Mr Kenner has to sit here uh for this so in our ordinance it's 17818 and I don't need to
go for all the blurs but it says any changing use within the tachment of Maple Shade will void the previously issued certificate of occupancy and require the issuance of a new certificate of occupancy in addition there must be a new site plan review even if no new construction is planned
within the change of use this new site plan review shall assure that the existing facilities are adequate to handle any increased demands upon the site imposed by the change in use then it goes further on to say that in the event uh the applicant is filing for a
waiver of site plan here we have uh site plan review sufficient information must be contained within the application for the board to Grant any such W that's what I wrote down there when I took it out so that's a little blurb so shot caught my eye they're requesting a site plan waiver so we just have to make sure
that you are comfortable that you have sufficient information to allow this point out the things you pointed out as that's why I pointed out the things I see as deficiencies and ways to improve our that's why I wrote it down and we were going to discuss that okay Agreed
100% at this time I'm going to open up the application to the public does that public have any you want to say anything seeing n on our intended motion to close the public portion so move second all those in favor I
oppos okay you wrapped up I'm wrapped up thank you I would just like to clarify u m Mr Turk had mentioned a few what I'll call conditions we okay with those other than the trash and closure the board hasn't discussed that one yet but when
it comes to the sketch for landscaping with the species the Turning circulation template ADA compliance sign uh the resetting of The Parking Spot curbs and the ad Ada ramp require requirements SL other compliance requirements yes yes okay just want to
make sure and then trash enclosure still up in the air it is okay I ask a question y the the gates that are there for the to the motel what purpose do they serve to we have no idea we inherited those but we don't we don't go to the hotel from our well it's not you
bought a water bed won't go to the yeah that's I'm just wondering if it has anything to do with um the fire department getting back to that facility in case there is around that fence oh you can Haven seen music at the edge of our
property because I walked the site I and never come to zoning here I walk the site and I saw the I didn't notice the gate but I could see the folks in the laundry room of the hotel and it was just right around the corner so we're not keeping anybody out with this I'm just wondering what the purpose of that
was to be an old fence I don't know it's an old fence it predates a hotel motel Fire Fire official is going to go there and if he well we make it subject to the fire officials so that correct yeah and if he says well no we need that because we get car can get through there but I don't know that I would run a fire
engine through there all right I'm just just go around it's amazing it's just an odd it's an odd but I don't want to see them open and all of a sudden now we have traffic from the motel right thank you well I'll be out there tomorrow because I was there today and I didn't see it that's I'm ashamed
to admit that I drove by it and didn't notice it but I was on the other side of 38 I wasn't on your side okay questions from the board any other questions we haven't answered oh I think we have to nail down the trash enclosure conversation um I think they're going to work that out aren't you no that's up to
the Mr M asking oh okay looking at me again I don't have a question I just I just wanted to make the statement that we got to get this nailed down the board has to make a decision on I I guess I'll start since you're looking oh I I well I started I don't know how much trash they can
generate if so that that's to Mr macken's point is do do they really Fred do they really well we have to store a metal typically I'll say an unattractive metal container with recycling bins or
one recycling bin for pickup trash enclosures are named that because they enclose the trash that may blow out the lid does we all know the lid doesn't always close when they so it is a way to control and Visually screen to some
degree a very unsightly trash dumpster that depending on who the vendor you go with the age is different and do we want to ride down the highway and see well it's going to be out back it's not going to be in the highway well it may not be it may be on the corner they had two options if you look straight back where the gate is it's a straight shot back
and that's where their property is I so you know what let's are you saying that this recycling is required they have to have it no they have to recycle right and they have what if they don't have anything to recycle well they have employees it's just like your home they would have to recycle B I'm not going to build a trash
can like this for my home that's what I'm saying when I'm generating they need a dumpster the coffee cups don't need a trash can a huge if I could ask thein are you proposing to have a dumpster on site the thing with that is it's it this is this is going to be a display store
we don't want to keep much garbage there are you proposing to have a dumpster are you okay if the board says have a dumpster if you guys propose it I'm okay with it how how will you dispose of the trash cans we still have a carard company we we just have regular cans and I've seen that with businesses I don't I
have my cleaning people take it but I've seen the lower firm next to me so the question coming from and how do we scream how do we get rid of it what what if you have cans how do how do we get rid of them correct me if I'm wrong there is some storage area on the first floor I remember the first floor on the
back there like where the some pump is stairwell it's a stairwell to the second floor opposite side of the stairwell is it on the opposite side inside inside the building storage on the one side this is small small room here so could we
propose putting indoor trash cans in the storage yeah and then can I you know can you propose or would you agree to taking that trash off site maybe to the penin location where you have dumpsters yeah yeah yeah would that and again I'm not
trying to put words in your mouth if you want dumpsters then we just need to figure that out that situation would be ideal I love it love it to me dumpsters for as a business owner myself it's just an added cost
yeah they not well also I just want to add his testimony was that if they have to unwrap the couches they would take it back to fence Al or they can take it back to absolutely and and the whole time we were talking about dumpsters I'm going why do we even why are we even talking about a dumpster on this site that's this is a displ
remember St not a but we all know that Wast is generated from any business but I had anyway we were on the same page for this we also had instances in the past when someone shares a dumpster yeah meaning take help himself to
our I mean like they got a restaurant and something else and they both put they both put their but you're not even generated we we don't mind taking he's pulin and maple sh you got your room get your cans set up and take them when you
if the condition no other choice that's right that's right from my visit to the site the neighbors won't be dumping in their dumpster they put it on the ground they gotcha with the beer bottles and so if the condition could be imposed that it
would be uh applicant will take care of a applicant removal trash removal and there'll be no outside storage of cans perfect we can live with that right that would be trash and recycle yes we got it the reason I asked CU I know it was an
open concept so I wanted to make sure that you know we had a place to put it and didn't impose something that didn't make sense it's on the magic list now we worry about the uh the truck coming in circulation all right we we open it up to the public we have any more questions
from my board members I just have a question is it uh all types of furniture all rooms it's not just bedroom or just living Furniture yes okay I said dream so I automatically went to bedroom furniture I just have one clarification so for
storing the trash inside do they need the Turning circulation template they do not okay I thought so just wanted to make sure we put that on the record okay uh one thing we didn't talk about is employee parking I know the site has limited parking and not that I
want to open up a can of worms but you said that there's two employees how many parking spots are there on the site that was the reason we's eight right now and we have room on the side of the building as well but there's sorry your tell them your concept for your employee part youd say those eight for the
customers yes I don't believe we never have enough traffic to have eight customers at the time in this building Furniture doesn't generate that much traffic where as to a restaurant where you have actually 20 people sitting in your in your building might be two three at a time and in and out in and out type
of thing but we'll keep this my idea is to keep these parking spaces clear just in case and we we'll have a my personal car my employee maybe around the black or the side of the building on the opp side of the parking yes okay well we don't yeah I don't foresee that and we're going to put some buffering
there so it'll be fine we got can't wait for the grand opening let's have a motion first I make a motion to approve this was all the incidentals that the uh lawyer has I'll second
it roll call Muse approve Daniel McDonald approve CLA wpe yes Emily Wes yes Maran Constantine yes Justin bannett yes chairman Duan yes good luck with your business congrat
it's always a pleasure thank you it really is you all uh have the right idea about Open Arms to businesses that's right I sure the applicant that when we first spoke amen amen you're you're one of our Assets
Now yeah that's that's his buddy that was my number one friend pictures I'll straighte and it always goes wants to be that said by a true night good luck than you you good
night okay okay old business we have none solicitors resolutions we have none discussion does the board need to discuss anything tonight other than wishing each other a Happy Thanksgiving I kind of said one thing to on what Fred said earlier about the
um conditional uses right one thing we've come into is that the code defines uses the word when you have to come for a hearing before the board on application for development as it's defined by the ML and that includes change of uses so that also triggers
notice requirements so I just wanted that was an issue um one application and I just wanted to put that out there that uh change of use is considered quote unquote development under the municipal anuse law so that requires all notice requirements official newspaper and 200
fet um so the app doesn't do that even if the change of use in site plan waiver it's not technically meeting the requirements of the code we appreciate that information but that guy over there supposed to handle all that we but I have spoken about this as well but com
all changes in use would have to be advertised yes okay how the code's written because it says it follows the definition of development under the ml when you look at that definition that includes okay change of use okay so from now on we make sure that everyone is
properly advertised yes okay only have to do that for zoning meeting that that situation right that situation yeah okay anything else no and wait a minute that is a that is something that the government has
written or that is that's the Township's code that's down in the town just the Township's code yeah so the municipal land use law actually um defers to townships to create their own requirements for site plans and
changes of uses okay change of use applications so the way it's written here the township says a hearing's require IR ired when an applicant makes an application for a development the Township Code does not define the word development so we look to the ml which
defines development as many different things including a change of use well should that be tweaked that's not my call this is what this makes because it's making undo it's it's putting a lot of extra things on people
that are just doing simple things that are you're saying even if they're doing a simple thing the neighbor should be notifi well that's how it is right now so to the extent that you own a business and I'm next door to you and I want to change it and you don't like my change you didn't know about it ahead of time if I don't have to give you notice but if I have to give you notice then you
will know about it so why we try to be fair to the applicants notifying your neighbors is not a bad idea no it's not sometimes there is an expense you have to do the postage and all I'm sorry I said sometimes oh sometimes I got drunk through the the ringer but for this site
for instance how many neighbors are within 200 ft eight right six six oh for this site yeah for this site for the gas station gas St you got all those apartments are r i half there to F 40 40 notes that's probably better the
the goal I would understand the code would be to make sure people are informed instead of the people in the apartments having no idea and then they walk out their house one day and they have something Chang yeah notice is a good idea but I understand the I understand yeah with
with that with the last application the first application that we did my my concern again was that we were creating a a lot that was not going to be usable in Maple Shade and the other thing I wanted to point out is we don't make decisions to benefit somebody financially that is not our job that's you know so I this board cannot take
Financial in exactly right corre I didn't want to say that because we I know but I want you to know where I was coming from and I I did have my reservations okay motion to adjourn second all those favor the minutes oh motion for the minutes
I'm sorry motion to approve the minutes so moved second all those in favor I I oppos guys have it okay motion to adjourn so moved second all those in favor I done Happy Thanksgiving