Okay, we're good. Okay, everyone, please rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. The Open Public Meetings Act. Public notice of this meeting pursuant to the Open Public Meetings Act has been given by the township council in the following manner. Notifying the township clerk December 27th, 2024. Mailing notice to the Courier Post central record and
brought to County Times on December 27th, 2024. Posting notice on the official municipal bulletin board on December 27th, 2024. Board agendas, meeting minutes, planning and zoning information, and application forms can be downloaded from the township website
under the planning and zoning page. Note, anyone from the public wishing to speak will be permitted during the public participation portions. Those wishing to speak should step up to the microphone, state their name and their address prior to making any comment. The agenda has been posted on the township
website and bulletin board in the municipal building. Please place all phones on mute to alleviate disruptions of the meeting. Thank you. Susan, can we have a roll call, please? Sure. Mayor Terico here. Deputy Mayor Dazz present.
Miss Rath here. Mr. Reeves here. Miss Wallace here. Miss Bruce here. Mr. Bertell here. Vice Chairman Mchello here. Chairman Fletcher here. Thank you. And Renee, you'll be a voting member this evening for Gina.
Okay. Both Renee and Fran will be stepping out as a voting member since I'll be taking. Thank you both. Okay. New business 380 South Lazola Road, block 189 Live 4.02,
Friendly Greens LLC. Application number PB-25-06 zone business development zone BD existing use vacant bank proposed use retail cannabis shop application change of use please step up to the table in
the microphone please you have a preference anywhere you like there you go thank you for the table I'm going to start with that I don't get to sit often You want to swear a minute? Uh, yeah. Let's give her a minute. All right. Good evening. My name is
Cherylyn Walters. I'm a partner at the law firm of Neiman Davis and Goldstein. We're council for Friendly Greens LLC. Um, as mentioned by the chairman, the property subject property is 380 South Lenola Road, block 189, lot 4.02 on your
tax map. It's located north of the intersection of Lenola Road and Route 38. fully developed site um designed and previously operated as a bank with drive-through lanes. It's located as noted in the BD business development zone where retail cannabis is a conditionally permitted use. Uh we're
here seeking conditional use approval as a result of that as well as minor site plan approval to allow the old bank building to be rehabilitated into a retail cannabis store. and testimony and exhibits will demonstrate compliance with the conditional use standards
pursuant to section 67 of the municipal land use law. Therefore, conditional use approval is required and was requested. Um the existing building site is in good condition, so we're not proposing many changes along the site. Therefore, we've also sought minor site plan approval.
The township previously has authorized three retailers as part of its ordinance, three cannabis retailers, and the applicant was the first to receive a resolution of support from township council. Uh we understand the applicant is the first cannabis retailer you're seeing uh before the board as well. So,
we're going to take a little bit of time and give you some general background on cannabis retail in New Jersey and the uh status of the applicants licensing process with the CRC. And of course, if approved, that license would be supplied and a business license from the township under the cannabis ordinance also would
be sought. Uh just for housekeeping purposes, for purposes of the record, the application was filed on May 30th, 2025. Um we weren't asked to appear before your site plan review advisory board. Um we weren't scheduled there, so we have not been there. I note that was a comment Mr. Tour's report, but that's
the reason why. Instead, we were given tonight as a hearing date. So we did notice for tonight's hearing in the Courier Post. notice was published on July 11th and mailed to property owners within 200 feet on that date both within and uh Maplehade and in the joining municipality of Morristown and proof of
publication and service of notice was sent to the board administrator by letter dated July 16th delivered July 17th. All materials in support of the application except the hearing exhibits we're going to share with you tonight have been on file at least 10 days prior to the meeting. As such we submit the planning board has jurisdiction to hear
the application this evening. I have for you um some handouts. We have four witnesses that I'm going to identify. Uh what we've done was we put together a a handout packet. It contains a witness and exhibit list identify in the project information all our witnesses and all
the exhibits we intend to introduce. Also has 11 by7 color copies of all those exhibits. We will have them mounted on boards. But these handouts are for the board members for ease of reference. Sometimes it's not easy to see details from far away. So if you would like me, if you would give me just a second, I'd like to pass those around.
There's about 19 in there. So any extras I'll take back and I'll put out for the any members of the public who might be interested in the application. So our witnesses tonight include Brian Atkins, our site civil engineer, Russell, als known as Rusty Kuka. He's the applicants consultant and applicant representative
for the presentation, Mr. Nathan Mosley, our traffic engineer, and Steven Hawk, our professional planner. And we're going to start with the site itself. Um, and we're going to bring Mr. Atkins up to sort of go over existing and proposed conditions. Um, and then we'll move into we'll bring Mr. Cook up and we're going
to move into some background on uh cannabis licensing and op retail operations in New Jersey and and specifically operations that are intended for this site. preference on easel location. Yeah, the side would be fine.
Thank you. Hi. How you doing? All right. If we could please swear. Mr. Atkins. Yes. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear from the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Okay. Thank you. So, Mr. Atkins, would you please state your name and spell your last name for the record?
Sure. My name is Brian Atkins. Last name ATK IS. Uh, I'm a partner with at SR3 Engineers in Belmar, New Jersey. And you're a licensed civil engineer in the state of New Jersey. Correct. I am. Would you please provide the board the benefit of your education and experience
in the field? Yes. Uh I have my bachelor's and master's degree from Rowan University. I've been practicing engineering uh practicing engineering in the state of New Jersey for nearly 25 years and I've been a licensed engineer in the state for nearly 20. Um uh and I've appeared
in front of represented multiple applications in front of multiple boards within Burlington Town Burlington County and throughout the state. Have you ever provided testimony before this particular board? Not this particular board yet. Okay. Um but multiple other boards other boards in the state of New Jersey where
you've provided testimony. Have you been qualified as an expert in the field of civil engineering? I have. I submit Mr. Atkins as an expert in the field of engineering. Thank you. All right, Brian. So we have a couple of exhibits. Um I don't know uh Mr. Sullivan if you would like to mark
the witness and exhibit list itself A1. Uh yes, that's fine. Okay. So, the first exhibit in that packet is an existing aerial plan which Mr. Atkins has mounted behind me. Um, we're going to refer to that first and
then move on to the site plan render after that. So, if we could mark that existing aerial plan as A2 and then Mr. Atkins, if you would just identify it by date and title over there. Yes. The plan entitled existing aerial plan
dated July 21st, 2025. And thank you. Um so can you use that exhibit to de to explain to the board basically orient the board to the project site and uh its existing conditions and surrounding area? Sure. Uh this existing aerial plan shows
a aerial of the site has the site outlined in yellow here. Uh it is located on South Lenovo Road and it's directly across from the old Kmart Shopping Center where there's currently uh some vacant building of stacks on 38.
It's directly to the east of the uh PJ Wheeland over here uh to the to the to the west of PJ Wheeland to the east of a couple uh medical office buildings. behind it is an is a storage public
storage uh storage unit center. Um, and you know, that's mainly the surrounding areas and as you get up there's the u the AC shopping center up the road a little.
So um if you would use that aerial and describe to the board the um size shape of the property and the um what is currently existing on site. Sure. So as mentioned the yellow outlines the
existing area approximately 2.09 09 acres. Uh the 2.09 acres in this case and that's not Mr. Le does include uh some portion that is to the center line of the rightway. The practical acreage of the site is 1.9 acres. Um the
existing site has access all south road. Uh right in right out access uh at the main driveway, right out only at the egress. existing parking and circulation around the site. The site currently has 18
parking spaces, one handicap space, and then four striped drive-thru lanes in the back with one by um site has existing uh existing sidewalk, existing lighting around the site, existing like poles, uh some
existing landscape as well as a monument signed on the front of the building. with respect to bulk criteria in the ordinance in the BD ordinance meaning lot size lot width um the site generally complies with most of those correct there's one existing nonconformity
uh it it does it does generally comply with both the uh one existing nonconformity uh which in discussion with Mr. may or may not apply here depending on how it's defined would be lot width uh 125 ft minimum lot width is required. Uh
the lot is 200 feet or nearly 200 feet at the front uh the rightway but near the back it goes down to about 117 ft. Mr. Chairman if I could just just it came up if we could go through it. Now under our code it's a little loose with regard to width and how it's defined.
They did find linear lot width in our definition and it's defined as the width of the lot at the right of way. In that case, it would be as Mr. Atkins pointed out 200 ft. It's rarely at the back of the property. It's typically at the building setback line.
So, from my perspective, as long as the attorney is in agreement, I I don't see that there's a variance required for that. Okay. Thank you. Otherwise, the lot is conforming with the uh with all the required building setbacks and
impervious coverage. In fact, as you can see by the neighboring buildings around it, there's a 40 foot uh set back here. This building is set back nearly over 100 ft from the right of way of South Manola Road. Um in addition, the impervious coverage 75% is allowable in
this zone and it is uh 48.7%. Okay. So, that covers what we currently have on site. Um, would you now please walk the board through what's being proposed by way of our minor site plan? Just to clarify, is this remaining A2 or do you want this A3?
Uh, we're going to switch to the next page, uh, minor site plan, and please mark that A3. A3. Okay. So Brian, if you could just identify that document by date and title. Uh title is minor site plan. Uh date is July 21st, 2025.
And this is a color rendered version of the site plan that is in was in our submission packets. Great. All right. So if um you had mentioned we have 18 existing parking spaces. If you could just walk through the changes. I know a lot of that relates to parking um and some other
site related changes. Correct. So the primary site related changes involve uh some restriping and striping of additional parking. So for example, there are existing 20 foot deep bays uh in front of the site and behind the
existing ADA parking is non-compliant uh with current standards. So, we're striking in two two ADA spaces and an appropriate uh van accessible aisle, providing the appropriate signage and providing appropriate ramp in the uh in
the concrete area there for the landing. We're additionally providing the make ready ED spaces which are required by New Jersey state law. Uh only one would be required for the site. We usually have it two because it's a little that law is a little fuzzy about whether one should be whether you should only strike
because it has to be handy cap accessible. So we usually like to make it so one of them is one of the handicles can also use the EV EV space and one normal EV space. Um so we're restriping the stalls in that
area. Restriping there were four stalls in the back restriping those to add a 12.8 by 20 foot loading zone near the back door. Uh and then in addition to that adding in the uh in this area of the drive
where we don't need all the width of the drive-thru. Striping in eight additional spaces in the rear of the site as well as adding sidewalk from those spaces can walk on site. And uh currently the sidewalk is is pinched by the back corner of the building in its current
configuration. So we narrowed the top the um west aisle width to 20 ft to allow for a appropriate 5 foot wide sidewalk for the front of the building. This also includes uh pavement pavement and concrete
repairs where necessary, resealing the asphalt paving and then restriping uh all the uh directional arrows, stop bars and putting appropriate traffic signage at the uh with respect to the existing condition
um the existing tree line that's in the back and the previously undisturbed area. We don't propose to disturb anything within that area. Correct. That is correct. The the approximate uh the rear approximately 30,000 ft of the site is undeveloped, undisturbed area
and there was a portion of it that at some point uh was maintained as the lawn area but otherwise is um uh otherwise undisturbed. So we are not proposing any uh any disturbance or any new disturbance or new impervious surface back there.
And we're not changing the building footprint or otherwise changing the exterior of the building. Correct. No, there's no proposed changes to the building. Okay. Um, with respect to the existing landscaping in that wooded area in the back, we seen the report from Mr. Tour. We're going to work with him to
supplement existing landscaping. Is that correct? That's correct. Uh, yeah. You know, we had some comments about supplementing some of the front and side landscaping as well as uh some work in the rear and a to those comments. Okay. And we'll work with him uh to satisfy his questions and comments
regarding lighting as well. Correct. Yes. Okay. Um I don't see a trash enclosure proposed. Could you please briefly explain to the board why we don't have a trash enclosure? We don't have a trash enclosure. There was a formally a pad in the back of a removing that I think dumper used to sit
on. Uh trash for this business would be explained later in testimony. Trash is usually handled is typically handled internally with with smaller bins. private hauler that would pick it up weekly or as needed and those bins would be wheeled out at the time that that hauler is on site and then picked up and
wheeled back into the building once. So that's why we don't have a trash enclosure and we do have another witness who will give more testimony on that process. Um all right and then with respect to utilities the site's currently serviced by public water and public sewer. Correct? It is. Um we don't propose any changes to those
connections or that usage. No we don't propose any changes to the current utility connections. All right. Well, we'll talk to the utilities uh utilities authority or department and make sure that we give them whatever they need for change of use. Correct. Right. Change of use. Okay. And then existing electrical
service comes from overhead wire overhead wires between this site and the adjoining site. Correct. Yes. And we don't propose any changes there as well. That is correct. Um could you please explain to the board briefly how the current stormwater uh runoff is handled through through the
site and what our proposal is there? Sure. Currently, the majority of the site flows overland. Uh approximate break is approximately in the middle of the building. So everything to the front runs overland out south and on the road. Everything in the rear runs to what
looks to be an old um a what would be a bubbler infiltration inlet in the back um potentially attached to a French train. was time of survey and in time of sight investigation the result of the fog and obviously we agreed to clean it
out it investigated and make sure that it is maintained as appropriate and since we're not proposing uh any disturbance of land greater than an acre or more than 20 a quarter acre of new parking surface area this does not
qualify as major development pursuant to D correct that is correct it does not qualify to uh meet the current D standards Okay. But that being said, we're well under the impervious coverage. I think you mentioned it before. 75% is permitted and we're under 50%. Correct?
Yes. Pervious coverage and the proposed improvements don't do not have a change in in coverage. There's actually a very slight minor decrease. Um but it's mostly even with the current uh current coverage on site.
Okay. So, um, let's talk quickly if we can flip to the next page, which we we I'd like to mark as A4. It's the, um, elevations and sign sheet that was provided with the
application. You have that board. Great. Um, if we could, Mr. Svin, mark this as a fork. So, I'm just asking you to talk to this. Talk about um, the sign the building mounted signage since we're on site plan details. Let's talk about the signage real quick. So, we've there's an existing building mounted sign and an
existing polemounted freestanding sign. Correct. That is correct. And this demonstrates that we're merely looking to reface them in their current location and size. That is correct. All right. Um and did you have an opportunity to compare the signs that
are as they exist to the current code requirements regarding what's permitted by way of size and location of signs? I did the uh monument signs in this zone uh for the ordinance are allowed to be the site's allowed one monument sign uh
maximum height 20 ft maximum square footage of based on frontage but with this site's frontage it maxes out at 50 square feet uh the approximate size of the sign currently or freestanding sign currently on site is about is in the about 40 feet it's about 4 by10
and so we're just going to reface that we're not increasing the size so the intent is to remain compliant with the that is correct the sign and also I would mention the height is the height is was surveyed at about 16 ft so it's also below the height great and then for the building mounted sign what's the what's permitted there
building mounted sign is permitted to be it's per one sign facing the uh street which it is the sign faces frontier faces road um the sign is allowed to be 10% of the building facade
uh area the building facade based on the the architecture, not considerably not counting the canopy section, just the building portion is is uh just over 1,000 square ft, which means it would be allowed a sign of up
to 100 square feet. Uh the sign as existing out there is approximately 3x 20, so it's about 60 ft. Great. Um and those signs are both proposed to be internally illuminated. Correct. That is correct. Okay. Um
with respect to that, that's really all we have with respect to site changes. Before we're done with Mr. Atkins, just want to confirm outside agencies, we applied to Burlington County for a certificate of exemption and that was granted. A letter of no interest basically was issued on June 6th. So we'll provide a copy of that. um with
our compliance package and then uh soil conservation district. Do you expect the need for a soil conservation certification or do you anticipate we'll be seeking a waiver? We may be under a waiver based on the disturbance there, but either way, we will be contacting them and either getting a letter confirming a waiver or
a soil conservation. Okay. And the only other outside agencies that technically have jurisdiction would be CRC and the township council for appropriate business licenses from both uh agencies. So finally, we we've received Mr. Turk's
report dated July 17th. Um I think we've noted that we're going to work with Mr. Tourk on the landscaping and the lighting and uh we've addressed some of his other comments as well. Um let's go to the one issue, just the one comment regarding the width of the bypass lane.
So, as the site currently existed, when you entered the site, there was a two-way traffic circulation until you reached the edge, the entrance to the drivethru. Correct. Correct. And I'll refer back to the narrow plan. Uh generally two-way
circulation until you reach the end of the spaces in the rear, which is where the oneway circulation to the drive-thru started. So, on our proposed site plan that we submitted, we indicated we were going to change the site circulation to be full one-way circulation.
Uh, oneway circulation start, we moved the oneway circulation up. It's not full one way, but we moved it up to the building just because we were narrowing that. Okay. Um, and in reviewing the report and the considerations presented by Mr. Tour, um, are we proposing any changes
to the are we going to extend that two-way back to where it was before? Yes, we are. Uh yes, we Mr. took exception to have to forcing this rear traffic to use the bypass lane. So minimum two-way aisle width without
parking is 20 ft, which is what we show there. So we would we would extend this two-way back to the start of the drive-thru and those parking and those parking spaces in the rear, we're going to have testimony later, will be for employees so that there will
be minimal interference at that location. Correct. Right. and and it would be all the parking including those employee space would be in a two-way area anyway. So they also would be able to they would not be forced to go out. Okay. So essentially the site circulation is going to continue to
operate the way it's always operated with the exception of the new parking in the rear which will continue that two-way uh circulation from that point. Correct. Correct. To the front. Okay. Correct. It'll actually be more two-way than there was because the drive lanes are shorter. And you did reach out to the fire
official. Correct. I did. He's on vacation. That's my That's my understanding. Coordinating with Mr. That's my understanding that we sent we uh we reached out by via phone and I'd also send an email. So, we'll talk to him when he gets back
next week and go over the the site. I mean, it it's a previously approved and developed site presumably constructed in accordance with prior approvals. Um and it's always operated in its current condition. So it then we don't propose to intensify the the use of the site.
The drive-thru use isn't changing from what it was designed or intended for. So we don't really see any concerns forthcoming from the fire official regarding the ability for the fire truck to maneuver the site as it would have in the past since the site's been developed this way. But we'll talk to him and make
sure he's comfortable. Then we'll agree to do that as a condition of approval. And since we're no longer proposing uh true one-way circulation throughout the site, then I believe the waiver or variance that Mr. Turk called out for that bypass lane not being 15 ft wide, I
think that goes away. Um I think the report indicated that's triggered only when that bypass that one it's oneway circulation. Mr. Chairman, Cheryl, can I ask a question? Yeah, sure. Brian, you just mentioned about a
two-way driveway minimum width of 20 ft. Our code says 90 degree parking is 25 ft for two-way driveway. Uh that is correct. But there's no two-way park. There's no parking on that stretch. So all the all the all of where there is two-way parking it is 25 foot
minimum. All where there location where there is parking. So can you point out the location where you mentioned the 20 ft specifically just along the edge of the building and there's no parking between there and the sideyard in that location. Correct. the uh the same section that
notes what the minimum oneway width is. It's the same as the where the parallel spaces would be noted in that section which notes it at 15 ft one way. That same section notes it at 20 ft two-way for parallel spaces. There's there's no space here at all, but it's that's where that's
so excuse me, Mr. Chairman. I have not seen this plan. So, this was revised I guess two days ago, correct? Uh, no actually we were discussing it today in response to your comment. Right. I'm just looking at it. I have not seen this. So I I'm trying to figure
it out as we're sitting. No, but I Yeah, I would note to your point just to confirm the existing two-way aisles here are 25 ft. This existing here is also 25 ft of two-way parking and we have more than 25 ft in space in the rear. Uh that is
closer to 35t because of how long how wide that area is in the first place. Fred, anything else? No, I just wanted to get the parking out of the way. Right. Sean, we have a question from one of the board members. Well, first of all, are you comfortable
having seen this for the first time reporting to us about it? I would I can't advise you, but okay. I'm just taking I'm just listening and trying to understand. Okay. Thanks. So, on this um there's a little number on that parking lot and this is in A2.
A2. You're looking at this one. No, you got Is that What's that little number? Is that a five in the parking? It's in one of the parking uh sold or Oh, I think you know you know that's
honestly that's an error with No, that's okay. I just want you see it right? It's it's a three. You talking about the ones in the rear? Yeah. I just want you to Yeah. You see it over the So this is just an aerial of the site and that's Can I finish? Can I finish? I'm just trying to get him so I can ask a
question. You see the spot, right? Yes. Okay. So those parking uh spots is that that's the one way currently that is not currently that is not what's your plan your plan is to make it two-way there my understanding is when
you come in it's one way it's not currently it is not currently it is two-way all the way beyond those stalls up until this point where and then so your pen down is one way we right we had showed that one way
extending Here we're proposing to not do that anymore. Have it two-way until you get to leave the whatever those things are. Have the same intent. Have the oneway not start until the beginning of the driving. I just was trying to understand. That's why I wanted to make sure he he saw that
little whatever it is a three or a dot or whatever. Right. Um coming in can you and I'm bad with giving directions but coming from say the acme coming down the Nola you make a right
into the into the building right correct now if you're coming the other way from PJ say right can you make a left into the into the property uh you can make a left and in fact there is a left the existing lenol strip right there's a left in
okay so you can go both ways is leaving the property. You have to go right leaving the property is right on. Right on. Okay. Thanks. U the EV charging spaces. Silly question, but I don't have an EV. But will they have
charging at those spaces? So eventually the state requires that they be what the state considers make ready at the time of site plan. So So you may not put them in until later. Right. Correct. They'll they'll go in within the time required by law, which is basically two years.
Okay. The What do you need a bypass for? We're just call It's existed. It's an existing bypass, which just means that as it's operated as a bank, if you were going in this
direction and you didn't want to use any of the drive-thru, you weren't actually going to a teller, right? This has no teller. Well, you don't need do you need a you don't need a by a by uh a bypass? Uh we are the use does propose using some of those some of those
drive-through spaces. So for what? Uh or is that somebody else? The we're going to give you testimony as to how that's going to be used, but the intention is to utilize the drive-through lanes. You're going to for pickup of mobile orders only, and we'll give details.
Brew in North Carolina. I've never been to a brew. Huh? really. Well, you can't drink and drive, so I don't know what the drive-thru and pick up. Um All right. So, there's going to be I think I saw something in Fred's letter about that. Um if that's not approved, I would
like to come back to Mr. Atkins and and understand um how leaving those pillars there in in what's essentially a parking lot would impact the site and safety of the site. But I understand you're going to
ask to uh you may believe that you have a right to use those. I don't know. You don't have to decide. You don't have to tell me that now. I don't want to get ahead of your presentation. It's fine. We can have that discussion. We can have Mr. Atkins come back and I can ask him, you know, about
potential safety issues, appearances, and just having columns in the middle of a parking lot. Well, it it's a canopied drive-thru, so that it's not there's one lane on the outside. Can we go back to the aerial?
So, as you can see on A2, it's a canopied drive-thru. There are four drive-through lanes, including the window, the which is the lane closest to the bank building, and then one, two, three more drive-through lanes, and then the bypass lane. So, it's all existing, and we're just proposing to leave it as it is.
I understand. I understand. And if you get uh your way, whether by right or by the decision of this board, obviously the drive-thru lanes make sense. But if you if you can't use those lanes for
drive-thru business, I'd like to have a discussion with Mr. Atkins what we can do with that because it doesn't make sense to me to have drive-through lanes on a property that's not using it. So the Yeah. Yeah. No, no, it's fine. We could
talk about the facetoface requirement um in the ordinance. So, your ordinance is set up. You have two different sections that deal well multi two different sections that primarily deal with cannabis. One is cannabis zoning and the other is cannabis licensing. When the governing body adopted the ordinance, they put a bunch of requirements or or
uh requirements and guidelines or or regulations in effect in for the applicant for a business license to demonstrate to the governing body to obtain a business license. Some of those requirements carried o were carried over into the conditional use standards. So those items that were carried over into
the into the conditional use standards, we're going to demonstrate to you that we satisfy those items tonight as we need to to obtain a conditional use approval pursuant to section 67 of the municipal land use law. But the items that were not carried over into your zoning code remain solely within the
jurisdiction of council to look at at the time a business license is applied for. So, one of the things that was not carried over into the conditional use standards is the face-to-face requirement. That is not a zoning issue for this board. That's for council to consider when the applicant applies for
their business license. So, we don't need a use variance even though we propose it. Um, and there'll be testimony from the next witness regarding operations. It's going to indicate exactly how those lanes are intended to be used with live video screens, direct communication, face to face with a human inside the building.
Therefore, we're going to take the position and request council to allow us to use those lanes with that face to face being met. It doesn't say in person. It doesn't say physical touch. It just says face to face and with screens we can accomplish that. That is the
interesting argument, but but you're saying that we don't really have that's not our jurisdiction. Correct. Okay. It's not part of the zoning code. What happens with that? It's not part of the zoning code. Yeah. I I had a discussion with Mr. Sullivan about it and statutory interpretation is pretty clear here. There's a business
licensing chapter that's not this board's jurisdiction and there's the zoning code which is so we'll demonstrate compliance with the zoning code. All right. Thanks. Could I just add to that just real quickly? Um the items that you referenced in 2024-07
the actual ordinance adopted cannabis. Um we're not picking up anything. Okay. Sorry. Okay. the actual ordinance uh 2024-07 that identified the 20 regulations uh that several of them or seven of them
have been picked up and made into condition of approval in chapter 2000 205-114 205-114 says a item number a or letter a such facility shall meet all of the requirements for lensure by the cannabis
regulatory commission so that's where I was thrown off when it said that must meet all of the requirements. So again, or lensure by the C by the count by the CRC doesn't say it must meet all of the requirements for lensure by the township. It says it must meet all the l
requirements for lensure by the cannabis regulatory commission and our witness will demonstrate how the site does meet that. Do do Fred, you know, maybe you want to hear the rest of the presentation, but do you agree with um Sorry, Miss
Walters. Do you agree with Miss Walters that the ordinance doesn't require face-toface? Uh my position is that and again I'm not legal counsel but my position is that there are regulations that are required.
There are 20 items in there as requirements. What's that in your letter? I'm sorry. Is that in your letter? Yes, we've identified them. We did not identify them as conditions for conditional use because they are not in the ordinance section 205-114. But they still are regulations of
cannabis use in the town shape. So that's what I've identified. I'm not saying they're conditional conditions of a conditional use. I'm saying they're regulations that are adopted in our ordinance. But that ordinance was implemented into the township code in two ways. Through
the business licensing chapter, chapter 114, and through the zoning code through 20514, which is the portion of the code that we're dealing with here tonight. The part of the ordinance that was implemented and codified into chapter 114, the cannabis licensing, that remains township council jurisdiction.
So, and we so we have to demonstrate to township council that what we're intending meets the the purpose and intent of their requirement for face to face. We do have to demonstrate that to council. The regulations are part of our ordinance. Do you disagree with that? The regulations are implemented in your
ordinance in two different places, right? So, the place the regulations that apply to the board here were implemented into the zoning code. The remainder of those regulations, yes, they're regulations, but the they're requirements for business licensing, which this board does not do. So, so the portion of the regulations
have not gotten into the zoning code that we have jurisdiction over your site. That that is one of several regul regul requirements for business licensing that did not end up in the zoning code. That's correct. And I would also just agree with I would
agree with her interpretation, Miss Walter's interpretation. Her and I spoke about this earlier. Uh it seems to be that the way the it was the the code is split into two different sections as she's described and this face to face looks like it is not a conditional use or something the
planning board um necessarily can approve or not approve. It does look like it would go back to the township council. Now, I don't know if that was the intent of the township council at the time, and maybe that deserves a larger review at that level, but as it stands right now for this applicant
tonight, I I would agree with Miss Walther's interpretation. Did anyone print the ordinance by any chance? I have them both in front of me if you'd like to see them. Copy. You can have my copies. I can print more. They're saved in the computer. Not that.
All right. Thank you. Me to get ahead of you. Oh, one other thing. I'm sorry. Yes. I'm sorry. And this is for Mr. Atkins. Is there any cross access to the other properties? Cross access there? No. Do you plan on anything like that? Um is
proposed. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Chair. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Um if there are no other questions for Mr. Atkins, I'm going to bring up Mr. Kopa. Does anyone have any questions for Mr. Atkins? You want to put the floor up?
Good evening. Do you swear from the testimony give tonight be the truth, the whole truth? Nothing but the truth? I do. All right. Please state your name and address for the record. Let's have a seat. Russell Kupta, 6565 Sawturn Drive, Mckenji, Pennsylvania. Thank you.
All right, Mr. Mr. Kupta, uh, you're the owner and operator of Kind Buds, correct? Yes. Kind Buds is a cannabis consulting company. Yes. Um, so in that capacity as a cannabis consulting company, um, you've owned, consulted, and invested in a dozen or more uh, New Jersey
dispensaries, correct? Yes. As well as dispensaries in or uh, retail stores, cannabis retail stores in other states. Yes. Um, and you've worked with many different companies and investors, companies like Friendly Greens, um, to help facilitate, uh, those your CRC
licensing and local land use approvals. Yes. So, you're familiar with the process with both the CRC licensing process and the the land use process. Correct. Yes. What do you do by trade? I am a pharmacist by trade. Okay. Um licensed in Pennsylvania? Yes.
Okay. So, as part of the consulting work you do through Kind Buds, um you've been involved in multiple CRC licensing applications. Yes. And there's currently one pending for Friendly Greens. Correct. Correct. We'll talk about that a little bit more in a minute. Um, so as a result of all that experience, you have knowledge of
CRC licensing requirements. Yes. Um, for class five licensing, there's two different levels, right? There's a conditional and an annual license. Yes. Um, and there's two ways to go about that. You can either apply for a cannabis um conditional license and then
later apply to convert to an annual or you can just apply right for an annual. Correct. Correct. And the distinction between the two um largely based on where you're at with your local process. Correct. Correct. So for a conditional license, you need a
resolution of support from the local municipality and a zoning verification letter, but not necessarily site control and a site approved design. Yes. Um and for licensing, for the annual license, you require the resolution of support. There's only verification letter and then uh local board approval
for a specific site. Correct. Yes. Um in addition to that CRC collects uh standard operating procedures correct as part of your application package. Yes. And those standard operating procedures they touch on things like um uh sorry
noise, odor, security concerns, uh security controls, community interaction, community benefits, things like that. Yes. Okay. And you've written and pro participated in writing uh standard operating procedures for CRC licenses for many of the licenses that you've
helped procure. Yes. Um and that process when you apply uh here I think we you've applied Friendly Greens has applied straight for an annual license. Correct. Yes. All right. And you're in the middle of that process. Uh more towards the end. Okay. So the process for annual
licensing submit an application. uh CRC does its background check, does an an interview with uh the applicant, conducts eventually conducts an inspection of the site uh to confirm security layout and security plans are in place according to what they've
approved. Correct? Yes. Um then they'll confirm local approvals are in hand and eventually issue a license. Is that correct? Yes. All right. So, Friendly Greens has applied for an annual license, submitted an application. Um they've done their investigation and you've got interviews scheduled.
Uh they were already done. Interviews have been completed. Great. Um so really it's just a matter of getting uh an approval from this board hopefully tonight. Um getting the site ready and having them inspect the security cameras on security package on site so they can issue their approval.
Yes. And that approval comes by way of a CRC approval at a CRC meeting. Is that correct? Yes. CRC meets monthly. Yes. So, it would be your hope that if approved here tonight and a resolution is adopted at the next board meeting,
hopefully you're through your CRC process shortly thereafter and have a license in hand soon. Yes. But because of all your experience uh with CRC licensing and and the CRC requirements for cannabis retail sites, um you're familiar enough to be able to
provide operational testimony for Friendly Greens and confirm that you know whether you believe this site will meet all the licensing requirements. Correct? Yes. So let's talk about that a little bit. Let's get into operations. Um
you're familiar with the project site, correct? Yes. You've been in the building and around the site, so you're familiar with the the what's current what exists on site right now? Several times. Okay. Um and you're consulting with friendly greens on how it's going to be operated in in the end. Correct. Yes.
All right. So, let's talk about uh some typical operations testimony any applicant would provide to a board. And we will have some kind of a specific information in there, too. your proposed hours of operation. The ordinance has limitations 8 am to 10 p.m. but permits that seven days a week. You're aware of
that? Yes. All right. So, you fully ant you fully agree to operate solely within the permitted hours. Correct? Yes. And do you anticipate they will be 8:00 a.m. to 10 p.m.? No, probably more like 10 to 10 or 10 to 9, something like that. Okay. But we will never exceed the
permissible hours of operation. Correct. Uh, how many employees will you have uh will there be on site or in total? I'm sorry. In total, probably about 10. And that includes managers and security staff. Yes. Okay. And how many employees do you think would be on site at any given
time? Uh, depending on the volume, probably like four or five. Okay. Um, and on average five. Yes. Say okay. And um employees they come on site uh about no more than an hour
before the this the store opens and depart within about an hour after closing. Yes. Okay. And that's just for opening and closing procedures that aren't where the site's not otherwise open to the public. Correct. Correct. Okay. Um let's walk the board through a typical customer experience. We have a
floor plan up on the board. Um and we can use this one. If you want to just use that, we can. No. Yeah. Okay. Um, if the board doesn't mind, there is a floor plan up on the board, but it's also the next page in your packet. And if we could mark that, I believe we're on A6. A5. A5. Yes.
Thank you. I do lose track over time. Okay. Um, so this floor plan in front of you, you were involved with the architect in preparing the floor floor plan layout, correct? Yes. Um, was it your intention to utilize as much as the existing floor plan as
possible? Yes. to minimize interior fit out uh time and and construction. We Yeah, we're hardly changing anything. Okay. So, just for the floor plan floor plan overview, uh can you just give a brief description of what you see when
you come in the building? So, you'll come in the vestible like it is right now. Um and to the left there will be a receptionist um that uh to the left there checking IDs and emitting people into the dispensary. So the building in or the doors into the sales
floor remain closed until the customer is is verified that they're at 20 at least 21 years old. Correct. With valid ID. Okay. Um so then they're buzzed and let into the sales floor. Correct. Yes. All right. So when you come into the sales floor, what would you find?
Uh there will be display cases. Um well to the left here there around the wall there will be um um this um keypads or um like what Cherylyn's having where you could actually place an order. There will be a
bud tender that'll be walking the floor to help if anyone has any questions. Um they can place their order there. Um if they've already placed an online order, there will be a separate uh pickup for online orders. Um, you know, kind of
like at a pharmacy, you have a drop off and a pickup, but there will be like two lines basically. So, you come in, if you're if you've pre-ordered online, you've been given a window of time to show up to pick up your packet, your order. Yes. Um, but you still when you come in, even for pre-order, you have to be ver age
verified before you're allowed to go in to pick up your pre-order. Correct. Correct. Okay. Um and then at once um an order is placed either through a bud tender on the floor at the kiosk or if they're coming in to pick up a pre-order, they go to the point of sale stations. Yes. Point of sale. Y
which is basically the counter where the tellers used to sit. Yes. Okay. And at that point of sale uh station, that's when the transaction is completed. Yes. And once the transaction is completed, um describe once the order is placed, what happens? How does the product get
packaged up for the customer? Okay. So, um it'll be the order will be entered and it'll go back to the vault um and uh intake order staging like right like that area right there. It'll be filled and then there's those three doors that
act little windows that will actually be um handed the product will actually be handed into where the tellers are standing and be given to the patient or customer. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I know. Still still working on
that. Um, okay. So, it's face to face in the lobby. It's face to face on the sales floor and the ultimate conducting of the transaction is face to face at the point of sale counter. Correct. Correct. Yep. Okay. Um, and pre we we're going to come
back to the pre-orders and the other method for pickup in the drive-thru in a minute, but um well, actually, let's just talk about that now. So, you mentioned that there will be an ability to pre-order online, correct? Yes. If when somebody pre-orders online, is the order paid for online or does that
have to occur in person? Uh, it's paid for online. It's paid for online. So, they're coming in to verify their ID and verify their transaction and then pick up the product that they've paid for. Yes. So, they can do that inside as you've indicated. And we're also, you heard us talking a little bit before. Um, we're
we're also contemplating or hoping to use the drive-thru l existing drive-through lanes uh for pre-order pickup as well. Correct. It'll be no different than like a pharmacy. Okay. So, you you pull up um are you we in order to facilitate that face toface
communication in the drive-thru. We're anticipate we're planning to add um live time video screens to each lane. Correct. Yes. Except the the first lane where they'll be face to face with uh what would have been a teller but is now a bud tender. Okay. And so if I ordered pre-ordered
online, I want to come through the drive-thru. I'm given a window of time. I drive around. I go to the drive-thru, the screen pops, sees me, and pops up, and I tell them who I am, what I'm there for. Correct. Yes. All right. Then they're going to ask me for my ID. I'm going to have to send them my ID so they can verify.
Yes. And then once ID is verified since the transaction has already been paid for online, um the the bud tender who you're talking to on the screen will send back the the um ID and the purchase product. Correct. Yes. Okay. Um and online ordering is now
industry standard for cannabis retail in New Jersey, is it not? Yes. And did and since you do cannabis retail uh facilitate cannabis retail in other states, is that pretty common all over in the recreational states? Yes. Okay. Um
All right. So, we're going to go now. Um that's that's like your typical customer experience. So, let's talk about deliveries and cash pickups and then we'll get to waste and Yeah. And ask a question. Yeah. Can anybody else pick up the order other
than the person who purchased it online? No. I have a question. Yes. I see that you're IDing when they walk into the vestibule. Are they IDed again? Once again, they go up to the bud dispenser. Yes. So, they got to show the ID a second time to prove that they're the person
there. Yeah, that's part of the the metric system. You basically have to IDM them twice. Okay. So, let's talk about that. See, um the metric system, MERC, correct? Yes. That's the state system for tracking cannabis product in in New Jersey.
Correct. And basically New Jersey employs what what they've referred to or what the industry refers to as a seed to sale program. Correct. Yes. So that means at the time a seed is planted, it's provided an RFID number. And that RFID number is track is kept
with that seed through plant, through harvest, through product creation and packaging, through delivery to the ultimate retailer and then scanned one more time at the at the point of sale. Correct. Yes. So New Jersey is tracking every plant that goes into soil from the time
it goes into the soil to the time the product is delivered to the customer. Yes. Okay. And that that's manifested. So when he when Mr. Cook mentions um metric, that's what he he's intending or what he's meaning. Okay. So we're going
to talk a little bit about how that you know how the product gets delivered and then manifested into metric when it first gets here. So, um, where did where does a cannabis retailer in New Jersey procure their product from? A, um, distribution or wholesaler,
which is also a licensed class of, uh, cannabis licensing in New Jersey. Correct. Yeah. Um, so there's six classes, just I'm sure the board's aware, but for background, it's six classes of licenses in New Jersey. Class one is cultivation. Class two is manufacturing. Class three
is distribution. Class four is wholesale. Class five is retail. And class six is transport is basically delivery transportation. Um there's also separate I do this a lot. There's there's also um
independent testing labs that the state authorizes to do testing of cannabis product before it hits a customer. That wouldn't be at this level. that's before it gets to cannabis retail. But it's as it's being manufactured. Um there's and the plants
are growing, there's routine testing that's required to make sure the plants are healthy, there's no disease, and make sure the product maintains the appropriate levels of um THC, which are permitted by which is permitted by the
state. There's a max that's allowed in every product. So that all happens prior well outside of what's before you this evening. But just so you have a global picture. All right. So um you're purchasing the Friendly Green is going to purchase its product from a cannabis
distributor or wholesaler. They're going to deliver it to the site. Correct. Yes. All right. And on the site plan, we show a stripe delivery area. This is A3. Just real quick for reference, we show a stripe loading area. Yes. Uh directly behind the north side of the
building. Correct. Yes. Um I think Brian indicated that was about 12.8 ft by 20 ft. Um so what type of vehicles actually bring the product in? They're usually undescript like Sprinter vans like an Amazon van, something like that. An Amazon van would be like the
biggest one. Uh it's usually sometimes even cars from the smaller wholesalers. Okay. Um so they're going to bring their delivery to that loading space. Correct. Yes. Yes. And then if you go back to the floor plan, they're going to enter the back door, which is top right of the page of the floor plan on the page.
Correct. Yes. All right. So, they enter with the product. And where do they take it from there? So, they take it there's a little um counter right there um right outside the vault. That's where they would like check in the order uh just to make sure that we got all the products that they said they would.
Okay. So, basically there's a manifest that's associated with each delivery. An employee will verify the delivery the products being delivered match the manifest. Correct. All right. So once that's completed the delivery driver leaves. Yes. And then where does the product go from there?
It goes um after it's in entered into the um metric system and put placed in the vault. Okay. So the delivery driver never has access to the vault. Correct. Correct. All right. Um and the products are delivered in sealed packages and transported in sealed containers.
Yes. Okay. Are the deliveries during business hours when security is on site? Yes. What they do is they do random like there's it's not one set time. They do random deliveries for security. Right. So it's not a pattern that
Yeah. It's not like 10:00 every morning. It's like 10 to 8. I mean or whenever we're open. Okay. We don't take deliveries when we're not open. I guess there's a buzzer that they have to get to get access in because there's a it's I imagine it's a buzzer to for that door to open at all times. It's not just a regular.
Exactly. Okay. Um so the product so now we've gotten to the point where the product's been delivered. It's been the the manifest for delivery has been checked. It's been taken into the vault. It's been manifested in metric. So the state knows that it's on site. So now I'm a customer. I've come in. I've placed an
order. What how does the product get from the vault to my hands as a customer? Okay, once it goes in and um the orders entered into the system, there will be printers back at the uh order staging and vault area that basically we fill from the vault and then there's a wall.
I don't know if you guys can see it, but it's like three little like to the left of the intake. That's where we would hand the orders through the wall basically to and that's to the consultants or benders that are within the point of sale area. Yeah. So someone gets
assigned to each area. So just for security reasons um like someone will be working the vault for the day, someone will be working the for the customers for the day or you know like certain shifts. Okay. Um
so that's basically what we call pick and pack. Correct? Yes. All right. order is placed, it's picked and packed out of the vault and then handed off to the um consultant or t bud tender or employee that's making the transaction, finalizing the transaction. Yeah. One one thing I just want to mention out on the sales floor, there
might be like dummy bags, but they're all empty. There are no product actually that the customer could see, touch, grab, steal, anything. It's all like dummy bags or it looks like a product. So everything that is real product is
kept away from the customer. And and that's consistent with CRC regulations. Yes. Okay. Um and while we're on deliveries, there's also presumably at some point in time cash pickup. Yes. All right. Um and the the cash pickup
will be made through that rear door as well. Correct. And you use a third party vendor for that? Yes. Uh there's actually thirdparty vendors that uh specialize with um cash carrying for cannabis retail. Correct. I'm looking at her name. Yeah, there's a
few Oh, yeah. Your your name is close. Yeah. Yeah. Uh one of them is called Terella. Tallaria. Tallaria. Tallaria. Um and the other one's called uh MP Reel. Yeah. So they're they drive vehicles similar
to what Garta a Garta cash truck would be. Correct. All right. And so they come in when pickups need it. They're let in the back door where and then the cash will be the the whatever they're off they're taking off site will be ready for them to pick up. Correct. Correct. They just take it back out to the truck
just like it they did when it was a bank with a vault. Correct. Yes. Okay. Um and because they're uh garted type trucks, they're also going to fit in that loading space in the back. Correct. Yes. Okay.
I've got the weirdest glare. Sorry. Um, all right. So, let's talk about uh the big the big ticket items for cannabis. Uh, every every time I do one of these hearings, the three questions, security, noise, and odor. Okay. So, we're going to go through all three of those. Um, so
building security. So, there's two types of security, correct? Building security and security personnel. So, let's talk about building security first. Um, building security involves camera system, correct? Yes. And they're strategically placed in accordance with CRC regulations to
capture everything inside the building. Yes. Except for bathrooms where they're not permitted. Um and 360 degrees outside the building as well. Correct. Yes. So everything every space on in on the property that that is developed and
utilized has to have uh camera coverage. Yes. All right. And that camera system uh it's monitored on site and offsite. Yes. uh 20 we have cameras there and it's uh monitored in penins also. We actually the interesting fact is we
added a lot more cameras than the bank would had. So So the your security plan with the cameras is actually more intensive than what existed with the bank. Yes. Okay. Um then there's a security alarm that provides protection against theft and diversion of product. Correct.
Yes. As as well as monitoring the cameras. Um, and if that security alarm is triggered, who gets notified? Um, with the uh the police. Um, and we do also. Okay. And does the CRC get notified as well? Yes. Yes.
Okay. Um, those systems are supported by a backup system, correct? Yes. So, if there's a loss of power, that backup system automatically uh automatically picks up. Yes. And automatically uh emit it issues um electronic notification as well.
Correct. to the state, the local police, and to you? Yes. To the operator. Okay. And those cameras, we indicate they're monitored offsite, but that's 24/7, 365 days a year. Correct. Yes. And footage is kept for the minimum of 30 days pursuant with the CRC guidelines. Yes.
And we're, you know, the the operator will work with the police department regarding the security plan and will continually coordinate so they are familiar with the security personnel. Yes. And they'll also have access to that security footage as anytime they request. Correct. Yes.
Okay. So, that's the footage. Uh let's talk about on-site on-site security. You'll what what will the security team how many members that will be um assigned for the security team? Uh one at a time usually and um will
actually be unarmed. Okay. So, you're going to have one unarmed security personnel on site. Those security personnel are specifically trained, correct? Yes. Um and typically of the background retired or active military or police? Yes, usually.
Okay. Um in addition to the on-site security staff, you're going to have um or personnel, you're going to have certain employees that also are trained to monitor the site both for security, but mo also for site cleanliness and
maintenance. Yes, we'll have um someone watching the cameras and um there are silent alarms all over the place. All right. And they'll be monitoring the cameras to make sure that there's no on-site consumption in the parking lot, which is not permitted by the CRC and is also prohibited by the local ordinance. Correct.
Correct. Um so they'll but they'll also monitor and walk the site periodically. Yes. Someone will between the designated p employees and the security personnel will also walk the site periodically. Correct. Yes. Okay. Um,
moving on. So, with respect to um, waste, it's always a bit, that's another big question, and we're going to segue into that a little bit now, too, while we're talking about it. Um, cannabis, we've indicated where it's stored, how it's inventoried. We've gone through that.
Uh, but what h are there times when a cannabis product has to be disposed of other than by means of sale to a customer? Yeah, like a recall or something. But the product usually goes back to the manufacturer. Okay. But if it is required to be um disposed
of, it has to be like totally unusable. It's mixed like with kitty litter, chopped up and stuff where like no one would notice that it's cannabis. And that's a process that's required by CRC. Correct. And and basic I think the language is has to be rendered irreoverable, unrecognizable, and
useless for a diversion. Yes. because the the technical terms from the CRC. Um, so the destroy any cannabis that has to be destroyed on site would be basically anything that's beyond its expiration or used by date or destroyed by other means. Say there's a
fire or there's a water leak um that somehow impacts profit. Correct. Correct. All right. And and while that's not anticipated in most instances because the products in a vault um you know, you never know when you might have a water event that that might cause a problem.
So when that is required that destruction in accordance with CRC requirement happens on site and then that destroyed material is now rendered inert due to mixing it with other inert material. Correct. Yeah. That's stored on site until picked up by
a um authorized transporter. Correct. Or you can put it directly in the trash because it's right those words you said. So it's it's already been rendered useless. Yes. for diversion and CRC does authorize that mixed inner bag to be
thrown away in the regular trash. Okay. Um if the product is gets recalled from at through your distributor or wholesaler, um in that case, does the product go back to the distributor and wholesaler? Yes. And they take care of the destruction in accordance with CRC requirements. Correct. Yep.
Okay. So, that's cannabis um storage and disposal. So, while we're talking about disposal, uh, general trash and recycling, you might have heard the conversation I had with Brian a little earlier that, you know, we're not providing a trash enclosure on site. He indicated that trash would be maintained
in the building. So, typical trash from a cannabis retail store, since you're not putting ordinarily cannabis uh product, you're not going to dispose of that in the trash. It's just trash associated with the employees being on site, bathroom, kitchen.
Yeah. It's like a general office because all the products that you get are the form in which it's sold. So there's really no waste. We don't get them in boxes or anything. We get them in totes. We take them out. So there's really no
boxes. It's kind of like a convenience store or those types of products. So for that reason, um you're proposing basically 96 gallon rollout containers, correct? Yes. And so they'll be stored inside the um
the the top right corner room the the where the HVAC is. Yeah. Correct. And the word I was looking for is escaping me at the moment, but um so there'll be the two containers, one for trash, one for recycling. Yes. All right. And then you'll have a private hauler come and and take those
out on a regular basis as needed. Correct. Correct. How often do you anticipate that would be? Probably once a week. And you would schedule that so that it doesn't coincide with any peak hours of operation. Correct. Okay. Um, and then once it's empty, they get rolled back in and put
them put back inside the uh mechanical room. Yeah, that's the word I was looking for. All right. So, then the other two big ticket items that we needed to talk about real quick, odor. I mentioned earlier and you confirmed products are delivered in vacuum sealed containers.
In vacuum sealed packages and in sealed containers, correct? Yes. Um, so they sit in the vault. Um, and then they're sold in those same vacuum-sealed packages. Correct. Correct. So odor inside the building is fairly minimal cannabis related odor. Yes. And you treat that or deal with that
through uh up-to-date and modern carbon filtration systems. Correct. So there's really no noticeable cannabis odor inside the building and none to none that would be um ready to escape the building. Correct. Correct. All right. So no noticeable impact to your neighbors. It's not like manu It's
not like cultivation. That's what really when when you smell the product. I should have been listening more because that's the part I really wanted to hear. We can repeat it for you. Yeah. So, I mean, are you going to be embibing? I mean, I guess that's what you say, right? No. In the building, not permitted.
So, you're not smoking. So, there's no smoke odor or outside. You're not allowed to do it anywhere on the premises. Correct. That's good enough. Correct. Um, and then noise. This is really a retail use similar to a pharmacy or another retail use. Correct. Yes. So, most of your noise is inside with the
customers. Uh, the drive-thru is going to operate very similar to how it operated when it was a bank. So, nothing new there. Yeah, it'll it'll have like restaurant music. I mean, nothing crazy. Um, and you know, so, so there's no real
change in the noise impact from this use as compared to the bank use. Correct. Okay. So based upon the operational testimony that you've provided, based upon your experience and also based upon your experience as a cannabis uh consultant doing this multiple times in
New Jersey, is it your experienced opinion that the facility as you described it will meet all the requirements for lensure from CRC? Yes. And you do you are as you indicated already going through that process with CRC. You foresee no issues there. Correct. And typically when CRC flags a
problem um they flag it at the time of background check and then vet it through the interview. Correct. And if Okay. So if you get through the interview process and and they're you know they give you a notice that they're ready to inspect when you're ready as long as the security package is in place the way
it's been designed and approved by CRC through the earlier part of the process. It's really just satisfying them and then getting your license. Correct. Yes. All right. So, um, you do you believe that friendly greens ultimately will be approved by CRC in the not too distant
future? Yes. Assuming an approval here tonight, do you have an endorsement from the C cannabis advisory board? So, that had to be done before we came here. Your ordinance. Correct. So, we the on May 23rd, 2024,
the governing body issued a resolution of support resolution 2024-R101. Um and in that they issued a their support for this cannabis for friendly greens to operate at this site. And that resolution also references that the
applicant had met with already met with the cannabis advisory board and the cannabis advisory board had issued a letter recommending to council that they issue the resolution of support. So that's been completed. We also have a zoning verification letter. Both of those were in the application packet. Yeah.
Can I just follow up on that real quick? that endorsement that you have from this local authority, do you have that available? And does that identify all these regulations that were required? I do. As far as it was in the application package, the resolution that I just identified. Um,
it it does at that level the council is not approving a business license. All they're doing is issuing resolution of support so that the applicant can move forward with an application to CRC for a license. The issue that came up, someone wrote up about the face to face, it's not mentioned in the resolution at
all. Was that discussed where the screens will be, the sound boards? That's more of a site issue. That's why I'm asking how was that going to be handled? Well, did you have a discussion during the cannabis advisory board meeting?
Yes, we we basically said that we wanted to do a drive-thru and the the cannabis advisory committee did not have a problem with that. But I guess the question is how do you go about that? Well, at the time of where is the screen? Where's the speaker
box? I mean this Well, the speaker box ex exists because it was a drive-thru. Yes. Right. There's a there's actually we're getting a video I'm not sure I'm understanding your question. We're getting a video board that's actually um call it
upgrading because right now like if you go to a pharmacy and you're I just treat like a pharmacy cuz I'm a pharmacist but if you go there you're you're you could either see the person through the first window. We're actually putting a TV screen where we can see them or not a TV
screen but a video camera we can see. Right. My my question is what regulation requires? There is none with the CRC. So, there's other cannabis uh dispensaries, which I've advised for, that don't even have the camera. They just basically can see
the person. And there's drive-throughs. The other one we do, that's not the case here. You're proposing four drive-throughs. So, you could not see the person in a car, right? From the outside drive-through lanes. That's why we're indicating Yeah. screens would be installed. Yeah. To facilitate that face to face communication.
And those islands are what, two feet wide or something. So, I'm just asking how I want to make sure it doesn't impact the drive-thru. What are these? Are these just narrow like a screen or what? No, it's a just a video that they they won't see us. We'll see them. No, the physical equipment that you're
installing in this 18inch island. What What is it? How wide is it? It's about like that. It's a camera and it's installed on a pole or it's it's it's in like you know how you do the shoot for the drive-thru. It's literally sitting on top of that. Okay. It it will not affect any
will it protrude will it protrude into the drive area where vehicles are pulling through? No, it's just sitting on it's um it'll look like her Stanley cup just a top part of it on the top of a so consistent with a bank that they do now. Yes.
It's we're using the same equipment that they had but we're upgrading the the camera. Okay. And and that will be shown at the time of business license application of the governing body. the details on what that looks like will be provided to the governing body. They're going to want to
know. They're going to want to see it. So, well, I'm asking the question because who's regulating that you put that in? Nobody requires it. The only reason we're offering it is to facilitate the facetoface requirement within the licensing. That's what I'm saying. If council or the local authority didn't dictate they
had to be there or it was that dictated they had to be there, the cameras. Just wondering who is overseeing that. That's all. We would still do it because we we wanted to see the person matches the ID. We would still do it because we still want to see them. Okay.
Only because I sat on the cannabis advisory board during the application when they submitted everything. Part of their application process was that they would have a drive-thru and they explained to us on the board that it would be a video monitoring system on there. As far as the specifications of
that monitoring, there was nothing that was given. It was okay. they have offered that they are going to have this and it by the board we felt that it was that was acceptable at the time. Okay. So, and then when we made the recommendation to council it was that it's going to be a drive-thru and then that would have the monitoring.
Well, you know that's up to this board I think to make an interpretation with all due respect. I understand the CAB, I'll call it, can endorse, but the nitty-gritty, the site plan and the things we're talking about rest with
this board. And I'm sorry you didn't get to go to site plan review because we probably would have truncated this this hearing tonight and you would have been you would have come in and we've all maybe not from your perspective because you would had to go to two meetings, but from our perspective, it probably would
have been a little shorter meeting. Okay. But are you saying face to face? Am I face to face with my wife who might be watching at home today? Do you consider me face to face with her or with anyone that's watching?
You can look at the screen. Are you face to face with the hundreds maybe thousands of people that are watching? No. But if it's two-way, you are. But you said it's one way. Okay. We said we could have a screen. We'll do it two way. Well, we got a
little we got a little progress. Um, so I think face tof face speaks for itself. I don't think there's any interpretation for me. So, let me ask this. Can this board grant uh an approval that violates other sections of
the code? Yes, because those other sections of the code are not your jurisdiction. They we can violate our own code. You're not violating the code. Well, you're if if it is if face to face is personto person live. Okay.
I know I know you disagree. Can we approve that in violation of other parts of the ordinary? I think I can handle this. So, what how it works is will be uh if the interpretation is correct that that's in the perview of the township council, we'll play it out two different ways.
They'll have to appear before the township council and make the same pitch for having the face to face and the camera two-way, however it's going to be. And let's say township council approves that, then that there's a finding that they met face to face. Let's say they don't
approve it and they still want to use the uh drive-thru lanes. Uh, don't let me speak, Cherylyn, if you think I'm incorrect, but you would have to get a use variance then because you wouldn't need to. It would be they're saying that that the drive-through lanes wouldn't meet face to face. So, if you still
wanted to do face to face, then you would need some type of variance. Correct. Well, we can do it. No, we can't do use variance, not use variances. This board, first of all, can't doesn't have any jurisdiction over interpretation or use variance. It's a zoning board function, not a planning board function. Um, and to answer your
question, I haven't really thought about it, uh, Nick, because because of the rel the conversations that have been had with the cannabis advisory board and the resolution of support from council, we're moving forward with the intention to utilize screens. And I think um I I
just asked Mr. Cook to to confirm. He said one way. It it will be two-way camera, right? Two two-way video. And to Mr. to Tori's point, the video the video screens will be set up in the drive-through so as to not interfere with drive-through traffic. Um, and we can look at that further. And council
may ask us, if we show that to them at the time of business licensing, may ask us to have the township engineer take a look and make sure he's satisfied that the addition of the screens um doesn't interfere and doesn't alter the site plan approval if there is a minor site plan approval. But to answer your
question, if council does not agree that two-way screens constitutes face to face, then the drive-throughs can't be used. That's going to be the option, right? The drive-through can't be used or the you don't have jurisdiction to determine that. That is not within that's not in the zoning code. The planning board by
the municipal land use law has to uh is only permitted to look at the code and look at the application and compare them and make sure that the application satisfies the requirements of the zoning code and if they don't to grant variances if variance releases the zoning ordinance is 205 right Fred
205114 2051 okay and 20513 that doesn't apply here that doesn't apply 114 applies because of the zoning district it's the BD zoning yeah Okay. Yeah. 205113 is for the highway commercial and those
types of districts. Although the requirements are pretty much identical. 2051. Yes, they are. So, I'm not sure why there's a distinction. But me either. 20514 is the exact items, but they're for the BD and the BD1.
Well, it is different because 205 113 and that would not apply in this this case because we're in the BD zone. Okay, one second. So, does 205114 say that all the requirements um shall meet
all the requirements for license by by the cannabis regulatory commission. Okay. So, just so you understand, this is new to us. So, we're going through and you're citing things that we may not know. I'm asking for clarity and I'm
going to when I get to my letter, I can do it now. Go through some additional clarity where you indicate an ordinance 2024-07. I'm tired of saying it. Sorry. Um, we don't have authority to look at those licensing regulations. However, I think
in looking at our ordinance, uh, and I'll just run through them. I know you ran through a number of the items with Mr. Cook. Um, in our ordinance to 205-114, it talks in a the CRC. I don't think
anyone here knows what the regulations of the CRC. So, we just need testimony that says you're complying. What's And he gave that testimony. Right. Right. And you went through all those items and they're essentially the items that were the regulations in our in our code or our ordinance that was adopted 2024-07.
The second one which is B. So 114B says an endorsement of the cannabis advisory board. And you're saying you provided that resolution that was the endorsement to us. Correct. I provided the resolution of support from the governing body which references the a letter from the cannabis advisory board with the endorsement. I don't have
a copy of that letter and it wasn't identified by date. Right. Was that letter did that letter identify those 20 items that were required? So I I don't want to make sure we're not I have to advise the board that we're following this says there's an
endorsement required. So was that submitted as part of this application or the letter that's referenced in the resolution? No, because it's referenced in the resolution of support as being provided. So we're a little in the dark on that. That's why this is being raised whether it's whatever your position is in that.
C was really the separations. We have no issues. My goodness, your engineer went through great detail on that. we and our planner is going to address the the separation requirements, right? Uh D was adequate security. So, this is the one that I think falls under uh the township's regulations in here,
which talk about three, which is security. Talks about 24-hour on-site video monitoring. How do you provide that security? When the next section, which is four, talks about emergency power. That's where the engineer would look at a site plan. You
need an emergency generator. How are you doing that? You have to provide under four electronic security at all times 24/7. So if there is an emergency generator as the engineer, I would say where is it? How is it protected? How is it supplied? How are you getting the
fuel to it? Etc. What section are you citing? Are you in 204 still? I'm looking at 20 thou I'm looking at our ordinance which is 2020 205-114D and it references adequate on-site security shall be demonstrated right
so with that I'm saying that crosses over to these regulations which how are you demonstrating the on-site security when it requires 247 monitoring which we've already testified to uh what happens when the power goes out it requires uh item four says emergency
power must be provided and item 18 further goes on to speak of outside generators. So, if you're going to have a generator, it's not going to be inside the building unless you're doing some kind of a solar. And then I would ask you what the life of that is because you need to
provide adequate on-site security. So, I'm looking at the emergency power, the 247 requirement, the electronic security systems, and then they actually ask for where the outdoor generators would be. So those those items that you're citing
were codified in the licensing chapter. All of them were codified in chapter 114. So is there an emergency generator? I guess I'm asking. So I'll bring Mr. um Atkins back to talk about that. Um and certainly one could
be provided. But the generator question, this is where your ordinance, the cotification of ordinance 2024 07 gets confusing for everybody. Well, maybe not for me. I don't think I think it's pretty black and white. Some of it was codified in licensing. Some of it
was codified in zoning. Those items that you just went through um the emergency power and there's another one you site in your code site man site management and then outside generators and mechanical other mechan mechanical equipment are all in 114 in the
licensing. None of them are in 205114. 114 specifically says I'm sorry but let me finish. 114 specifically says adequate on-site security shall be demon demonstrated comma including waste materials including right yeah including waste materials well
so adequate on-site security is that 247 that it speaks to which has been demonstrated but your point is what happens when the power goes out and that becomes a sight plan issue there there was testimony well the placement of a generator would be a site plan issue that's correct
enforcement of the requirement for 247 monitoring is a licensing issue Right. And you can't have 24/7 monitoring without backup power. So, how does no matter how you do it, I just need to ask the question, how are you doing it? Okay. So, how how in your other in the
other cannabis retail stores that you've worked on, how do you provide for backup power in the event power goes out? What happens with the security at that point in time? I don't know what they're called, but there's a box that we use that basically gives us a few It's not
um I don't know the technical name for it. It's like a few hours of battery life, but it's inside. It's like It looks like a computer thing. Okay. But we're talking a minimum of 48 hours it requires, right?
In in 2024-07. I I don't know how long they last. I just don't know. But it's a battery. It's like a battery pack that basically provides I I understand I understand battery packs but uh your position was that we
can't provide this is not in our jurisdiction but it is it is one of the items that is covered in 205114 which is adequate on-site security. So yeah, I'm not entirely You may say that that's not required and No, fine.
Listen, um, we have space on site for a generator. So, um, and there is actually on the survey. Brian, would you come back up? Do you have the survey plot by any chance? No, I don't have the survey, but we can use this the site plan. kind
of the opposite. generator needed. There is an existing mechanical room in the back exterior room with a metal lock door on on the back corner here is actually what
back corner. Uh there's some existing some existing I believe one of the uh air conditioning units is already back there. Depending on the size of generator could go there depending on the space for it. It's an exterior space open. If not, there's also plenty of space behind the building here, which we
should ad whatever we need to provide. That would also be exterior and close to being to run a generator. Okay. And that would be just like a Generrack generator that you could put in every
every home, right? Okay. Yeah. Can I can I So, well, yeah, before you say that, if you're looking at A2 in that back corner or the the northwest corner of the building, um there's where
Brian was just indicating there's an AC unit that's enclosed in there. The survey also picked up something and marked it as G, but wasn't really clear about it. Uh Mr. Cooked is the property owner. He purchased it, but Have you ever been in that enclosure? I peaked and I didn't really see
No. No. The reason the only reason I was in that thing is because the air conditioner got stolen. So the only reason I was in there one time was to see the air conditioner unit and another box. I don't know what the boxes. I'm not a I'm just not very good mechanically. So I don't know what that
is. So there might be one there. It's a bank. So I would think that they would have something but I don't know what that is. Right. So what we'll do is we'll verify that can what that is with um Mr. Turk in with an inspection. If it's an existing generator uh or backup supply,
power supply that the bank used to use, we'll make sure it's in functioning, working functioning order. Um and probably leave that to code code enforcement. Yeah. And fumes and all those things. That's if it doesn't exist there, then we'll show it at during compliance. We'll show
a pad a place for a generator in the rear and we'll enclose it and make sure it doesn't emit. You know how generators work. They're tested periodically. while they're testing, they're permitted to exceed state noise levels. Um while they're and during emergencies, they're permitted to exceed. It's the only time
that you really see them unless that's the only time they operate pretty much if you need them um or if it's being tested. So, uh we'll we'll provide that back there and enclose it with and most generators nowadays, they come in um sound attenuating
enclosures anyway in their own box. Um, not the ones maybe you buy at Home Depot for your own house, but any the commercial grade ones, they come in their own sound attenuating um, metal type box. Just a quick question for you. So, with
the generator, obviously that would have to be sized by electrical engineer, as it says here, it's going to provide control for backup for the product and odor control, but we don't really know how big that's going to be. Somebody would have to determine that. Some guy's not going to go out there and pull the pull the choke and start the generator.
You want this thing to come on automatically. So, that really should be detailed and shown in the drawing. That's what he's saying. Yep. And we'll show that. You know what I mean? Yep. So, yeah. Now, we'll show that. We'll work that out during approval, a compliance, post approval. Hopefully, compliance um and to his satisfaction and we won't be
able to get plans signed until uh he's satisfied. You have one more. You have more. I just since Mr. Cook is up here, if I could. You had mentioned in testimony that uh not permitted to be used on site
uh and you had mentioned by township code. I'm sorry. And you had mentioned it's by township code. Which code is that? Is that the ordinance? No, it's just not you're it's you're not allowed any on-site consumption for CRC either. Yeah. Can can
you mentioned by code? I just was curious because typically what I would do is just ask a simple question. Do you have signage? I mean that's a site plan related issue. I I can't cross over into this according to No, we would put that up. I mean that's but but that's that's one of the codes that were regulations that the
municipality wanted and obviously other I've worked on many cannabis sites and that's typical signage is put up at all the sites reminding everybody because it's easy for you to say and you to monitor but you need to remind everybody out in the park. I agree. So okay if you want signage for
that we'll we'll work with you to put that on the plan. Sure. CRC prohibits on-site consumption absent a consumption lounge endorsement to the class 5 license and consumption lounges are only permitted where the municipality permits it. It's not permitted here. It's not proposed.
Right. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. I just have two questions real quick. Uh we went through a lot of security details. Are there policies that'll be provided to the security guards or all your employees? Um do you have them already written up or we use them in different Yes.
Okay. And just on the site, I'm sorry, the floor plan. It says security next to the receptionist. So, is the security guard sitting in there the entire time? Yes. Well, no, not sitting in there, but that's where the security offices. There will be some cameras in there. Okay.
Etc. I just wanted to clarify that because if he was in TVs to see the cameras if he or she was in there, they'd have to go through the reception's office to get out to the floor. Seems like No, no, that's just I just wanted to clarify that that's actually half of that room. There's so many safes in that building. How like a
third of that room is a big safe for the drop off. So, yep, no problem. Okay. Okay. So, while we're that that kind of takes us to where we were going next, the last part of um the questioning or testimony that I have for you
going to I got it. All right. So, um, going back to A4, which was marked and it's the, um, elevations and sign sheet that was provided with the application. Um, so I've Brian's
indicated through testimony we're not doing anything to the building. When you when before you purchased the property, did you do a building have the building inspected? Yes. Um, did you did that inspection include, you know, structural integrity and the condition of the exterior facade and materials? Yes. Was all that found to be in good
and working condition? Yes. So, for that reason, you're are you planning any changes to the exterior of the building? Just repainting the just touching up the paint up top. So, the blue banding that's shown on this exhibit around the top of the building and around the canopy that's
going to remain. Yes. Okay. So, the only thing that you're really changing on the building other than maybe sprucing up the paint on that is the mount building mountain sign. Correct. Correct. And what we're showing here, the colors um and the logo, is that the colors official colors and logo for Friendly Greens?
Yeah. And was that designed with that blue just to be able to uh merge it and make it compatible with the existing blue banding on the building? And then that design is that carried over into the MA um refacing sign?
Yes. All right. Um and then you you heard Brian testify about the size. It's it's the applicant's intent to comply with the ordinance requirements with regard to the sign size and um placement. Correct? Yes. Okay. Um
I think that's all I have. Okay. No other witnesses here. I have two witnesses. May I Mr. Chairman, may I ask a quick question? Just site lighting. I have a question for you. You own the property and obviously you've seen outside
at on your site lighting plan. There's there's some deficiencies and it it does not identify the lights along the rear of the building. Were they recently installed or were they on the building when you purchased it? I have not replaced any lights. So, they're here.
The lighting plant does not show the lighting. And the reason I bring it up is almost comical. Along the rear of the building, they have exterior wire drooping like Christmas lights or swag and it has flood lights shining out. And I just didn't know. They looked relatively new and I didn't know how
that happened or why that happened, but No, I think they put them afterwards because just to shine more light on it for security, but I didn't. That was before I purchased. Okay, so they were there. Okay, good. Good. Okay. Um, next two witnesses are going to be hopefully more brief. Thank
you, Rusty. We're going to call Nathan Mosley is our traffic engineer. Listen, we appreciate your indulgence. We understood coming in that you haven't seen a cannabis retail application yet. So, we really kind of want to get into some more detail with you um and explain
more of the cannabis process. Um I'm just not here. Yeah. Right. And I just, you know, I I even having if we had gone to the advisory board meeting, that wouldn't have really educated the board on cannabis. It actually would have been a good move
to do that. So, well, we were not asked to attend. You have a drawing here that Fred hasn't even seen. It he it's the same drawing he's seen. Just that the two-way arrow is moving. That's He just wasn't aware that we were going to, you know. So, it it's the drawing is not
new. Um but the point is that that review advisory board is permissible. It's not mandatory under your ordinance. We didn't even know it because it says it it may may be directed there. Um and it's a purely advisory function. We didn't even know it existed and we weren't asked to go.
I'm not It's for your It's for the applicant's benefit as much as the town. Yeah. I mean, there's not even a spot on the application form that would have indicated that we've been there. You might want to think about updating your application form to have like a checklist for that. In other a lot of towns, I'm required to do that, but we
weren't or we would have availed ourselves of that if we had been if we'd been asked. All right. That's not for you. All right. Uh would you please uh swear, Mr. Mosley? Yes, please raise your hand. Do you swear from the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? I do. All right. Please state your name and uh address for the record.
Yeah, just for the record again, my name is Nathan Mosley. Uh address is 277 White Horse Pike atco, New Jersey. I'm the managing partner for Shropshshire Associates. We're a traffic engineering firm. We've been in South Jersey now for over 20 years. I've been with the company over 20 years myself doing traffic engineering work throughout the
state. I'm a licensed professional engineer as well as a member of the Institute of Transportation Engineers and the American Society of Civil Engineers. And I've been before this board several occasions over the past few years. And I've been before hundreds of other planning zoning boards throughout the state of New Jersey. And I've probably been involved in I would
say probably 20 to 25 cannabis dispensary applications throughout the state as well. I submit Mr. Mosley is an expert in the field of traffic engineering. Good. Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh Mr. Mosley, you've been present tonight. You've heard all the testimony that's come before you. Yes.
And uh you're familiar with the project site. Yes. So you prepared a traffic and parking analysis in May. Correct. Correct. Uh did you prepare that report utilizing methods that are generally accepted in the field of traffic engineering? Yes, we did. Uh would you please describe to the
board the investigation that you undertook in anticipation of preparing that analysis and provide the board the uh benefits of your conclusions? Sure, not a problem. So, um, the first thing we really did was look at the existing conditions. You've heard some testimony already. Um, we have the exhibit that showed showed the existing
bank facility, but just the traffic aspects related to it. Um, specifically the site itself, it it has a bank with a drive-thru in on it today. Um, it was fully approved before for this pro for this property and this site and this intensity and excuse me.
Sorry, that was annoying. Um, anyway, sorry. So, again, this site has been approved for a bank with drive-thru. It's about 3,300 square ft. Um, the applicant is not proposing any real modifications to the building itself, and I'll talk about that a little bit more as I go through the analysis letter. Um, but again, the existing
site's located along Lenola Road. In this area, it's under the jurisdiction of Burlington County. Uh, the driveway that's existing today does permit left turns in and right turns in, both from Lenola Road. And as stated before, it's a right turnout only driveway. There is an existing left turn lane on Lenola
Road for vehicles that are entering. So they do have an area when they're making a left in to queue and stack if they need to wait for a gap in traffic. So um that does enhance safety for vehicles as they're entering the site from Lenola Road. And then on the outbound side um in order to enforce the right turn only,
the driveway itself has what we call a half pork chop. So there's a channelized island in the center that physically will push vehicles to the right. There's also signage to enforce the no left turns coming out. And again, this was all approved uh by the county before for the bank site itself. Um the development
again is for about 3,300 square feet of retail cannabis. Um I think one thing to note about this from a traffic perspective which regards with regards to the tripgen is that what I've seen with a lot of these applications throughout the state is that they are you know utilizing existing buildings. So, it's not like where you have maybe a
Waw Wa or a Dunkin Donuts and they have their prototypes and they come in, they clear cut the site and they they build their prototype to a specific size that they want to do. A lot of times what happens with these cannabis uses is they come in, they utilize existing buildings. So, the size can vary um from
site to site. Um they can be as small as like a thousand square feet. In this case, we have about 3,300 square feet. And I think a lot of that is really more related to the buildings that are available, the areas that are available within each town for these uses. And so I the the correlation to traffic is that
when we do trip generation analysis, which I'll talk about here in a second, the trip generation analysis is based upon studies that have been done at other existing sites and then correlated to the square footage of that building that's being proposed or being being proposed to be utilized. in this in this case as well as a lot of other cases,
these these uses really are just utilizing the square footage that's available to them. I'm sure they would tell you that if they had less square footage, they could still make it work just fine. Um, but again, from so from a traffic perspective, you know, we we see that the average study sites are a little bit smaller than this. Um, but
again, I just want to put that on the record and that's what I've seen from a from a traffic perspective with these uses is that, you know, a lot sometimes you might have a larger building being used, which might correlate to larger trip generation numbers based on it. Um, but the experience that I've seen is that, you know, typically they they they
just utilize the space they have from a pre-existing building or use that was there before. But anyway, so again, the existing site is on Lola Road. It's a bank facility um under the jurisdiction of Camden count of Camden County sorry Burlington County. Um so as far as the
trip generation is concerned uh the trip generation analysis is based upon the Institute of Transportation Engineers or IT. They've done studies at existing cannabis uh retail cannabis facilities within the country. They've taken that data, they've compiled it into the latest trip generation manual and then
they published that data and it provides us with with rates based upon the size of the building to estimate the traffic for the site. So based upon those rates and based upon the size of the building, it's estimated that during the peak hours, so during the busiest hour, specifically in the afternoon and on a
Saturday, which is typically when when these uses are at their busiest, it's anticipated based on its square footage that the site would generate around one to two trips per minute during that peak hour. Um I do believe that's probably a little conservative um given the size of this building. Um but again that's what
the IT trip generation rates state for the size of this for the size of this facility in this proposed use. Um just as a comparison for you the previously approved bank site um I ran the trip generation analysis for that. So if this site was empty if it was coming in for
approval for a bank with the drive-through lanes as it it stands today it would actually generate similar trip generation numbers during those peak hours compared to the proposed dispensary use. So again, this approved bank would have similar actually slightly higher numbers during the PM
peak hour than the proposed um cannabis use itself. So I think really it would be my opinion and my expectation is that most likely you'll see traffic similar to what's up to what was there for the previous bank facility as far as intensity and activity levels. And again, the site's been approved. It's
been designed for that type of traffic. And so I think you know in this case it's really ideally suited to the proposed use um that's being proposed here tonight from a traffic perspective. Um beyond that as far as the the traffic is concerned the other main thing that we looked at was the parking analysis
and the parking supply. So you've heard testimony we have a total of 25 parking spaces on the site. Uh and again that's that's a fairly substantial amount. Uh the two things that we did to look at the potential parking needs for this use are one we went again to the Institute
of Transportation Engineers or it again they they've done parking studies at existing facilities as well. Uh the parking studies they did were were again throughout the country and they showed that the average peak parking demand at these sites so basically the average
parking rate when they were at their busiest time whether it was a Friday or a Saturday was about five and a half vehicles per thousand square feet. So for about 3,300 square ft the anticipation is that the peak parking demand would be around 19 vehicles. Now that includes the vehicles for employees
as well as customers at the site. And again, we have 25 spaces on the site. So, it's my opinion we do have more than enough parking to accommodate the anticipated parking needs for the use without having any potential spillover onto other properties or or other areas.
Um, but in addition to looking at it, we also did a parking analysis or a parking study at an existing cannabis use in Mount Laurel sites located along Route 73. Um, it's on the uh the southbound side of Route 73. We went out and we did counts, parking survey counts at that
existing facility in December of 2024. Those counts were done on a Friday and a Saturday, which in my experience is typically the busiest times for these uses, normally Friday afternoon, early evening time, and then the same time on a Saturday. And what we found at that
location was that their maximum parking demand uh and their building was slightly smaller uh was nine vehicles. So at any time the highest noted parking count at that location was nine vehicles. That happened on both Friday and Saturday.
So if you look at that building size that equates to about 2.8 vehicles per thousand square feet, which would uh correlate to approximately 10 vehicles for this size and this size of building. So again, um even with that other existing data point um from Mount Laurel, I do believe again there's more
than enough parking for this proposed development with the 25 spaces that are being proposed. The last thing I'll just say briefly is with regards to on-site circulation. Um again, you heard the testimony. We're proposing two-way circulation from the entrance location all the way to the end of the perpendicular parking spaces along the
building and then one-way circulation around the rear of the bank or sorry the bank the cannabis building. Um and then back out to the exit again ex exactly the same as the uh previously approved bank. Um so again I do believe that
circulation can safely accommodate the needs for this use and provide for safe and efficient circulation on site. And again I do believe the access is it's designed can provide for safe and efficient access for the change in use to the proposed cannabis. Again, I don't anticipate really any intensity changes
to the traffic during peak hour conditions with the proposed dispensary here. Um the um when you come in or when you're leaving the two-way park, people coming in, is there going to be a stop
sign on that island? So, you see where folks coming in off Lenola Road and there may be somebody leaving. So if you're coming in um coming in I'm looking at this one because this is what I was saying. Yeah. So this is um this is exhibit I
believe A2. This is the colorized. So if you're coming in off of Lenola whether you're making a right or a left you have you can't you can't make a left right. You can make a left in. There isn't Oh yes. Okay. You're right. You can make a left in making a left or right in. You'll have
free flow movement into the site. The only internal stop will be for anyone who comes around the building, they'll have to stop here um and ensure that nobody's coming out from the parking spaces before they make a right and go out of the property. Yeah. And so my concern is people coming in and someone is is the when you come
in off of Lenola Road, is that one way or two way? I forget what you said. It's two-way through here. Okay. It's two-way. Yes. All right. So someone leaving right there. Yes. Yeah. someone coming in at the same time as someone leaving what you just pointed. You see any issues there? Would you need
a stop sign? Is there enough space that they can No, there's sufficient width through here for two-way travel. I think it's it's 25 ft through this area as well. So, there's more than enough space exiting that there's room. I can't. Okay. Yep. It's hard with the aerial because that
tree canopy kind of covers a lot of that entrance to the driveway. Yeah. You know, when you look at I I can see when you look at the aerial, it almost looks like that entrance is really kind of tight, but it's it's a lot. I drove that site tonight on the way here, and it's it's there's plenty of room there. It's just that the tree canopy in the
aerial kind of makes it look a little smaller than it really is. Anybody from the board have any comments? Mr. Chairman, thanks, Nate. That was I agree there are no issues with regard to parking. You actually have two extra spaces because you did the EV McRi
spaces. You have 27 spaces. True. Um the pork chop island. You said the signs are there. There's no signs there. Okay. I don't know if that was on Brian's plan to be installed. We could have a piece of PVC and a little stub of metal sticking.
I saw a big metal like signpost out there with no sign on it tonight. So I think the sign make sure we have the proper We'll ensure those are provided. We'll show it on the plants and and reinstall. Yeah. the sight distance if you could speak to that minimally. I think Brian
shows brush to be removed. Uh it's a tough it's a tough right turn out of there because there's a curve in the road and it's sort of coming downhill. I would ask and maybe this is for Brian, but instead of trimming the brush to the sight triangle, the brush be trimmed back like 10 more feet or else I would
say they'd have to be out there cutting it weekly. It's pretty tough. If you were there tonight, Cheryl, you would see pulling out of there, making a right is not the easiest thing. You're talking about um when you look left and when you're trying to pull out. Yes. Brian hasn't shown to be cleared, so
that's perfect. But we know in a month it's going to grow a foot. Sure. So, I'm asking if you could cut that back so we never have a sight distance problem. We'll we'll definitely we'll we'll show that on the plan and work that out with you. For sure. Um two more things really. Uh Q, the fourth space, and I'm going to talk a
few minutes on this if you don't mind me. Yeah. The plans that were submitted for review show a 20 foot bypass on the site plan, and then it turns into a 23 foot drive aisle, which led me to believe that the fourth queue or the fourth drive-thru
space drive-thru uh aisle was being eliminated because that's what it identifies. So then I went out there and I realized I went to the circulation plan. Circulation plan shows a fire engine of a certain length, width, you know, wheelbase
and it has a creeping right between that area. The widest that is is 10 ft. It goes less than 10 ft. Um I'm glad that Brian made that two-way driveways on tonight's plan because my concern was that 10 foot wide or less
area was now no longer a bypass. It was actually a driveway. I drove through in my Tahoe and I felt uncomfortable. So, I'm just saying uh the circulation plan shows the drive aisle that fourth one being maintained.
So, there's a discrepancy between the site plan saying there was a 20 foot wide bypass which led me to believe one thing and a 23t aisle. site circulation plan shows a fire truck circulating
through a 10- foot or less wide area. Uh when you look at the circulation plan, I'm not sure if you have the Q for the fourth aisle, you can only have one car inside under the canopy or else the rest of the back of the car gets taken off by the
emergency services vehicle. So, I was in having conversations with Brian, he did tell me that they're maintaining that, but in reviewing the plan on its on its own fate, I'm I'm confused what's going on because there's looks like there there are some issues and I think that's
something maybe you can speak to as far as or or Brian, I'm not sure, with regard to what the original intent was. seems like the original intent was to allow for a bypass 20 ft wide to allow for aisle circulation, but I think
eliminating the two-way or providing two-way traffic again still may pose some issues that have to be addressed. So, one would be the queue area, the Q length for the forall. And I don't know if you have
history or anything from the IT regarding queuing for a cannabis drive-thru. I'm doubting that's out there. Or any experience of anything in the area. I know you've done this uh all over the state where the Q
is X. I didn't ask about Q because it looked like there was sufficient space until I saw that fourth drive aisle when I now see that the drive the fire truck or emergency vehicles have to go through that area. So if you could just speak to
that a little bit. Uh even if the aisle is there maybe it could be like at a bank teller the red lights on on the fourth the fourth stall. I can't imagine a run on the facility with four drive-throughs taking place, but I don't want to, you know, I hope your business
is better than that, but um something's got to be done with the fourth stall, and I'm concerned about the narrowness of the uh drive-thru. And I know comments have been made throughout the last couple of days, and you made it tonight. This was
previously approved. I'm not sure what year, 80 something, 90 something. Um just because something was previously approved doesn't make it uh right, safe or appropriate. So uh if you could just fill me in a little bit on the queue first maybe on
Yeah. So as far as the Q's concerned um we haven't seen as many facilities with drive-through lanes. That's not the typical design. That's not necessarily always available. Um, my anticipation from, you know, the testimony that's been provided in talking to operators is that, you know,
what happens is you order ahead of time and you get basically kind of a designated pickup time and you just come, you show identification, provide all the credits that you are the person, you're you're there, which may have been something for Mr. Cook, right? How long is that operation? Is that 30 seconds? Is it I don't know the total time, but I I think it's rather
quick expedited. Yeah, it's it's a pretty quick process assuming every all the everything's in hand. And again, it's it's controlled to my understanding by most operators with, you know, almost like a fixed time or a window you you arrive to pick up products. So again, you know, I don't know how they're going to control or how they're going to
utilize all the available lanes. Um I understand your concern about if there's multiple lanes. I don't anticipate there to be really a substantial queue. Um even if there's only one lane being utilized, I don't anticipate there to be more than one or two vehicles in concern people may pick the outside lane. I do it at a bank because I don't
want to and we can discuss that operationally how that can be handled, whether they can, you know, I'm sure they can control what lanes are open or being used by customers for for pickup. I just spoke with Mr. Ka and what we would do is agree as a condition of approval that that fourth lane will just always be red light and never used.
Red light. All right. I don't know that there's a light on there, but we'll make sure there's a red light, but we can obviously install a light, right? We'll we'll make it work. The problem with the canopy is that this the two columns that support the canopy are all the way on the outside part of the canopy. There's no middle support. So,
in order to eliminate that fourth lane, you'd have to do some significant work out there. Um, and it's it's just the the better option for the applicant is just leave it, but we'll cut it off so we don't use it. Better option costwise, right?
Well, time and time expense and practicality. I mean, my legal argument is it's an existing non-conforming condition. It's permitted to continue because we're not changing the intensity of the use or the the way that the drive-thru was designed to be utilized.
But, um, I don't want to get into that. I don't I don't want to have that argument. I think the the compromise is that fourth lane will just always be shut down because there there are three other lanes. So, you don't have to worry about queuing coming out of there. So, that deals with the queuing issue, correct?
The narrowness of that aisle. Um Brian has that shown on a site circulation which in theory these things look nice in theory um until you get someone that's has human human nature and human brain that we see
them driving next to us every day. Sure. So Brian's going to address your questions about that and then we could talk about that. Okay. And to clarify uh right there there were dimensions here. The convention was mainly because part of the intent ahead of time was that likely that that last
lane was not being used like red you mentioned the 24 ft primarily for the layout of striking there not I don't understand where it seems like indicating that it's a whole 20 foot bypass it's primarily because we
that is what it say that this island striping and the mouth of that is 20 ft. That that stripe is 23 ft off the existing curve line. And then obviously you do get to a point in between there where the columns a red
island under the canopy and a clear 10ft space on the outside of the canopy exists and then you would have to go around. You have to go around that again in an ideal situation the canopy supports get moved into the third and now we comply with everything. There's no concerns, no safety issues. So that's
why we looked at when we looked at the site circulation, we didn't even consider the fire truck trying to actually get under the canopy because it's that's a 9 foot6 canopy. That's why we directed the fire truck to the outside of it. And then the plan did actually show plan does actually have
some some curve line improvements because the as you mentioned it is a computerenerated analysis of the and I think your letter suggests that you know one of the options would be to discuss the far run the truck through there which is you're acceptable to if that's what the power
marshall would like to like to do or like to look at it. Um but one of the things we one one main thing we did find with that is that without improvements beyond the canopy as you made the turn you would potentially clip under where the overhang was which is not adequate
for a fire truck. It's not fire trucks are much taller than 9 foot6. That's why we did have improvements beyond the canopy to just extend that curb out to give it a little bit more turning there. When we looked at again, you understand what I saw on the site plan, which we're all looking at now, is there were only three lanes with
a bypass. That's that's what's shown on that site plan now. Then there was some note about a 16T height. I'm still in confusion with that. 16T the top. Yeah. The survey. Yeah. Just like the surveyor notes the building the building and the building and the canopy are the
same elevation across the top which is about 16 ft. The surveyor had identified what the roof heights were for all the structure. So with that I would just say every approval subject to the fire official. I tried to call Mr. Kur that he was on vacation to go through that with him.
Okay. Back tomorrow and he's very well aware of this. Yes. So I did I did reach out to him at the time. He is well aware and he's expecting to give them a call tomorrow. Okay. Great. But I think demonstrating this may be the best way because computer AED, right? We know what that is, right? You know,
right? It does its best to to model that, but but to uh to simulate it, but Yeah. But I just want the board to know that I'm aware aware of this and we're concerned. I went out and measured it and it was 10 at the widest. It does get narrower. So, okay. Next.
Sure. That's all I have for Mr. Mosley. If there is no other questions for Mr. Mosley, then our final uh witness is our professional planner. Thank you, Nathan. Mr. Hawk, if you would please state your name and be sworn. Sure. Steven Hawk.
Do you swear from the testimony you'll provide tonight the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Uh Mr. Mr. Hawk, you're a licensed professional planner in the city of New Jersey. Correct. I am. Would you please provide the board the benefit of your education and experience in the field? Okay. I've been practicing planning
since 1988. Uh before that, I got an um bachelor of science degree from Stockton University. Uh I've spent 28 years in the city of Ireland as a professional planner doing development review. Uh since uh my time at the city of Ireland,
I've spent about nine years uh doing private practice, been sworn before 50 boards um as a expert and also I'm a a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners and have been so for over 30 years. Mr. Hawk is an expert in the field of
professional planning. Okay. Thank you. Um Mr. Hawk, you've been present tonight during the entire pres presentation that was provided before you. Is that correct? That's correct. Um, and you're the professional planner for the project. So, are you familiar with the site, its surrounding area and location?
Definitely. And you're familiar with the existing site conditions and what's being proposed by the applicant by way of cannabis retail. Correct. I am. All right. So, the the code chapter 205 section 114 of the uh township zoning code provides conditional use standards.
It allows uh retail counts as a conditionally permitted use in the BD zoning district. Um, we're going to walk through each of those conditional use standards and I'm going to ask you to uh opine or demonstrate to the board how each of those standards have been met either by testimony already provided or
through affirmative testimony from you. Um, so the first requirement is section A. A facility shall meet all the requirements for lensure by the cannabis regulatory commission. Um, Mr. Ka provided testimony regarding his experience in the field with licensing,
his experience with CRC. the proposal at the site and opined in a in a lay person but experienced opinion that he believes it meets that criteria. Can you touch on um touch on that or ver or verify any further?
Well, that would be a condition of approval and it was um mentioned by Mr. Cupa that it is met and that the proper submission was made. Correct. Um, so based upon and just for the board's benefit, we've done this
before as a um as a pair for similar applications in the past. Correct. Um, and so you've been present when Mr. Cook has provided similar testimony to other boards. Correct. I have. And and to your recollection, has is his testimony usually gen has his testimony
that you've heard been consistent from meeting to meeting? It has. So would you consider him experienced enough in the field to be able to make the render the opinion that he provided? Yes, definitely. And would you support his opinion based upon that um that in that the site will
meet all of the regulatory requirements for lensure by the CRC? I will. And and of course we would agree to pro provide a copy of the ultimate license issued by CRC as a condition of approval. Yes. Okay. Um section B, an endorsement from the cannabis advisory board must be
obtained prior to application to the planning board. Um you've heard testimony already regarding township resolution 20 24R-101 adopted in May of 2024 where the municipality provided its support for Friendly Greens to operate cannabis
retail at this site. Correct. Yes. Based on that, that is met as well. You've read Have you read that resolution? Okay. Okay. And you note that it makes mention in there that the cab had actually reviewed this and made a recommendation for support to the governing body. Okay. And then it's a
that uh resolution was pro provided with the application. Correct. It was and then it's a condition of approval. We'll ask Miss D we'll work with Miss Dansson to track down whatever letter the cab issued and supply that as well. Um the next section C, it creates
separation distances um measured from the uh respective land use types and there's four different types to those land from the front door of the cannabis estab establishment to those uh land use types. So there are 250 foot
proc foot foot minimum separation distances required to various uses. Um you're familiar with that section? I definitely am. Okay. And you've prepared some exhibits to demonstrate compliance with that. Correct. I did. So, I'm just going to turn this over to you at this point to walk through that. Okay. Yeah. The first two items that we
covered under the conditional use section was more of an administrative u compliance, but this is where uh we get to into the proximity. You see from the graphic uh the very first one that I have is the 200 foot proximity. It's an
orange circle centered by the front door of the facility. And you could see where that 250 ft circle extends. It extends east uh past and through uh Lenola Road into Morstown. Uh and then the majority of that circle is within Maple Shade to
the west, north, and to the south. And you could also see that it implicates uh just a a few buildings uh nearby both to the north and the south. And the very first item is 250 ft from any behavioral health care facility or residential
medical detox center. I did not find any within the 250 ft. I did not find any actually within Maple Shade. There were um what appeared to be some, but they were in in an adjacent municipality in Morstown, but they are definitely well in excess of the 250 ft that's required
by your ordinance. Um, number two, 250 ft from a residential district or use or any p place of worship. Oh, I'm sorry. We never marked that. So, I was just going to wait till you tell me. We marked it A6. A6. A6 for the 250.
For the 250, right? So the next one is your zone map and it shows a 1900 foot distance from the site to um the PD zone uh the plan development zone which does allow residential use and um that
obviously exceeds 250 ft. So that that's has a name at the top says distance to residential district. Correct. So A7 and it also covers residential use as well because that's where I found to be the closest residential use. Um there
was another one that was outside of the PD zone in the BD zone, another residential use, but it's also in excess of 1900 ft. Um also within number two is any place of worship. I calculated it being 8,900
feet to the um kind of towards the center of Maple Shade um over by which is um I identified the closest church is Our Lady of Perpetual Health. And that is this is the house of worship A8. Yes. Thank you.
Uh next is um a school and the school that I identified as the Maud Wilkins Elementary School is being 8,700 ft approximately from the site A9. And then also within that same
provision, uh, child care center, the over the rainbow early learning child care center, uh, over 4,000 square feet or feet, 4,400 ft from the site, well in excess of the 250 required
and that's A10. And then of the items in uh the last one, number four, public parks or other public building, I identified the um the public property and park that has the water tower, the uh baseball field, and
the uh skate park as being 4,980 ft away. And that's a correct. So that covers the distance and proximity requirements. And then we move
on to D. There was a lot of testimony given and back and forth on adequate on-site security and that will be met to meet the uh requirements of the municipality and
also um proper disposal of waste materials. So that was part D. Then part E, adequate odor control that will be taken care of by the operation of the site and that will be met. And then also uh the hours of operation
under F would be adhered to as well. And then finally um G talks about the ability to impose a requirement for noise wall barrier when it discretion. In its discretion and we've talked a little bit about noise. Um the only
noise potential noise issue that we might be creating is with the installation of a generator, but we're going to make sure that that is adequately um contained within its own shell andor within an enclosure that provides for noise um attenuation is the
word I'm looking for. So based on meeting all of the conditional use standards, we're not before the zoning board. We're before the planning board because it's a conforming use. It's a use that's permitted by ordinance. and when you meet all the conditions, you're a conditional use approval before the planning board. So, I feel that that's
that's met. Okay. Um then I'll defer a little bit to back and forth with Mr. Tor just to confirm I'm reading the report correctly. Um there's a the host of items that he's identified as variances. I I'm not sure if they're
all variances or or some of them might probably be donated denoted as waiverss. But um just to go through the list, the bulk variance that we had all identified and agreed upon um initially was the minimum lot with based upon the testimony and the analysis from Mr.
Torque earlier. It sounds like that is uh no longer a required variance. If that was a variance, could that that's would be an existing non-conforming condition that would be proposed to remain. Um and a variant that technically if it was still a deviation variance would not be needed. You could
still grant one, but it's permitted to continue as an existing non-conforming condition. Are you satisfied that that's not no reading is no longer required? To the council or the chairman if if you want to go through the process, that's fine. And just give a few few comments, but I don't believe it is required. No.
Okay. Um, so I'm going to ask Mr. um Hawk to opine on all of them at once. So we'll just kind of quickly identify them, make sure I have them right. So, uh, there was a there was one identified as a waiver request that was from providing sidewalks. The other items
were the, um, minimum 15t width for one-way drive aisles. Uh, we're eliminating that because we're eliminating the one-way drive aisle that was being created. Well, I believe that's still required. Yeah, that's that's that's a drive aisle. It's called a bypass, but it's a
drive aisle, I believe. Okay. What number are you what number in his report? Yeah. Yeah, I wrote down the sections. Now, I wrote down the sections of the code um because I I've had to kind of parse through here so I can follow along. Yeah, I'm not sure. That's number 12.
That was number 12. 12. Okay, great. The sidewalk waiver is number four. All right. We didn't talk about that. Yeah, we'll get Yeah, we'll come back to that. uh the buffer width of the property line 10 ft required 2.7 feet
existing on one side and it's not clearly denoted on the other. Um it's all existing non-conforming conditions. We're not proposing to exacerbate them. They're permitted to continue. We'll provide some testimony, but you did ask us to mark out the distance on I think it's the east side and we'll take I
think it's the north side. Well, I'm awful when it comes to knowing where I'm at on a page when it comes to north, east, south, or west. But the opposite side that's not marked, we will put on the plan. You want me to go through the letter or? No. No, because I think there's only one more. And then um that and that was the
loading space size. We have a loading space provided. It's the size required is 12 x 60. We don't need that here. We proposed 12.8 by 20. So, if you would just treat those as variances for purposes of testimony, uh Mr. Hawk and provide some the positive and negative
criteria associated with those. Well, as far as the positive criteria, the use of an existing building that's vacant promotes the general welfare to get some activity there to get it uh operational and having some life to it. uh some of the uh changes that we've
made to the site, some of the curbing and the widening out of the um the bypass lane to provide a proper distance to uh get the vehicles through and in cooperation with the fire department. Uh also the change in the uh traffic
patterns uh promotes purpose h free flow of traffic and by making some changes to the site and having it operational and uh beautified will increase the um the visual environment purpose I they all
are on the positive side. Um, from uh a negative perspective on the negative one criteria or uh prong, uh this development is not out of character with uh the area. A lot of the sites in this area have a lot of pavement. They have
well over uh the amount of pavement that we have or impervious coverage. We're approximately 2/3 of what we're allowed to have as far as imperous coverage. Uh being a little less than 50% uh when 75% is allowed. A lot of the developed
sites, I think on both the north side and the south side have um well in excess of that 50%. So we're definitely not out of character with the way the sites are developed and the amount of pavement that they have and building coverage. There's definitely no uh impairment to the zone plan and zoning
ordinance. also from that same perspective in that um our site is unusual in that we have that large patch of woods in the back and that allows us to have three times the amount of landscaping uh that our landscaped area that's required on the site. So this
site is um benefits from that and the area benefits from that and um like I said we're at 2/3 of the impervious coverage. we could actually have another 20,000 square ft of pavement and still meet the ordinance uh with 75% coverage.
So um for those reasons because of the benefits uh outweighing the detriments based on the pooling case where you can take the overall development um benefits and weigh them against the the negatives uh the C variances can be granted under
C2 uh in this case. What do you think? Yeah. right of testimony just point out that if you did develop another 20,000 square feet you would have a major stormwater problem. We would but you could always do um under pavement um storm water management
but that's expensive. Yeah. But you have you have no intentions of developing that. Trying to utilize the site in its current condition as much as possible. Fred, do you have anything else with respect to your letter?
Well, I'd like to run through the letter. That's Are we finished with the plan? I have no nothing further from Mr. uh unless anybody has any other questions. Anybody have any comments or questions? Okay. Thank you. Okay.
Yes, Mr. Chairman. Just give me a second. I'm looking up. So, uh I apologize for the long letter. Um, and we've gone through everything on page two, page three. Uh, thank you for
going through that. That was good. Page four was where we really early on went through what we can touch, what we can't touch. Uh, however, I think all the items I've called up for in item two speak to um hours of operation,
prohibited consumption. We talked about the signage, the security, we we went through that in great detail on the emergency generator, emergency power, site management, which we've heard a lot of testimony on in the product, how they dispose of it, etc. Odor, again, can't
control odor without power. Uh, and then the outside generators, mechanical equipments, and we've heard more than sufficient information. They're going to revise the plans to show where where this emergency generator will be installed or what type of emergency generator. The next item three was just
regarding and it's unfortunate you did not or were not requested and I think you got caught into a transition between personnel. Um some of these issues this letter could have been much shorter. We would typically work it out with the engineer issues uh such as storm water.
We still don't know what what is going on out there. We don't know what's existing out there. Uh site lighting. Clearly there's there are issues with regard to the site lighting plan. U some lights out there are missing the heads. As I mentioned before, the draping lights along the
back of the building. Those things need to be addressed. U the buffering uh when the property was purchased, the buffering and the landscaping along the front of the site was removed. Just from aerial photographs, it's apparent that that took place. I believe they're laying in a big pile in the back of the
site. Uh so that's something that we need to go through and we will go through it further but and I just go through and then the issue with the drive-thru. We could have gone through those had we gone through site plan or else I would have identified those. The next item was regarding sidewalks. Uh there are a couple sections of the
ordinance that speak about sidewalks. One speaks about new developments. One speaks about in the redevelopment zone and this one says and it's related to streets, curbs and gutters. Our site plan has a standard and then it
says and by the way it includes everything in the subdivision section. So this is in the subdivision section where really it's given the board it's giving the board the authority to say do I want it on one side of the road or two side sides of the road. If it was residential you
wouldn't have that authority. It's dictated by the RSIS. But in this case it may be a little loose. But the question is, do you want sidewalk along along this uh busy road? And is it appropriate? I'm not sure. I did not ride down further into Morstown to see
if there's sidewalk there. There is pedestrian traffic there. There is a stop sign there. There is a a uh supermarket there. I think it's very appropriate. Would you have any objection? It's not that big of a So, we went to the county. The county
didn't ask for sidewalk. It's count, you know, county's jurisdiction in within the rightway. Um, and there's really authority over that. So, no, no, I'm not saying that. That's one comment, but the other the other part of the response is it did if you sidewalk is we're requesting the
waiver and it it's for various reasons. Um, but we are requesting the waiver. I did drive down Lenola Road today. I observed both sides. Sidewalk on the opposite side starting several properties down out towards 41. On this side, there's no sidewalk anywhere from
Route 38 to the other side of the driveway of the doctor's offices next door. There's a tiny stretch, then there's no sidewalk. Then, ironically, there's sidewalk next to Acme, next to the side of the Acme's building, and then no sidewalk until you hit the Dunkin Donut site. So, it's sporadic
along this stretch, but we're not really encouraging, you know, there's no residential uses around here where pedestrians would be utilizing this, you know, walking around to any of these shopping centers or utilizing the site. And if you're encouraging pedestrian
access along any of the frontage here, then you're also encouraging them to cross this busy in this in this location, it's a five lane roadway. So, it it's it's a safety and security concern. Do you have someone that can testify to that? I think you're testifying. I can
testify. No, no, I I can make legal argument, but Okay. But there's public transportation there. It's robust public transportation on Route 38 there. There's a bus stop a couple lots down next to the uh the
Acme. So, I can tell you there's a a there's a fair amount of pedestrian traffic all over Maple Street, all over whether there's sidewalks there or not. You're not going to encourage anyone to walk if you put a sidewalk there and you're not, you know, you're not
discouraging them if you don't. So, they're going to walk either way. This is a fairly big project. you know, you're coming into into the town and it's a I would think in comparison to everything else you're spending. It's a it's a minor expense
and you don't want to give back, talk to your clients. So, that would be a waiver. A waiver would be required if uh yeah, it's requesting not to install. I mean, if someone else comes in next door, we ask them to do it. Who knows? Maybe we'll have sidewalks in Can I ask a question? Could you just
brought that up? A newest structure. So, the newest structure right there would be P PJs is Ponderosa PJs and then you have a bank slash ocean bank. Do they have sidewalks? They only have sidewalk along the route 38 frontage from the corner to a
pedestrian access into the sidewalk. Why don't they have it on the road? There's no sidewalk on Lenola Road there for ocean. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't on the board. But that's under construction, right? Yes. When was that built?
17 18 or 18. And and then there's Starbucks and that has a sidewalk and and buses run, you know, people work at the mall. Buses run on Main Street. Buses run on Lenola.
Buses run on Route 38. There's a lot of commercial activities back there. The kind of people that work back there may not have automobiles and may use public transportation. All right. and um silently communicating
with my client. He'll agree to install the sidewalk. Next items. Next, next items. All right. Five, six, seven, and eight. These were actually taken and as I think your engineer, maybe Cheryl, you or someone else have pointed out, they're within the
redevelopment zone only. This is not in the redevelopment zone. However, the reason, one of the reasons, and it's not an excuse for me, is that the application itself had asked for one of these variances in the redevelopment zone of Lenola Road, Route 73, Route 38.
So, while five, six, and seven are aren't applicable, they are referenced in other sections of our code, which for some reason are more stringent than our redevelopment zone. And I we'll go through that in a few seconds, and I'll try to rush through these. However, I
don't want to gloss over these because I have other comments other than the fact that a variance was required. Open public meeting. Sorry. Stop. Sorry. So, item five on page page five. Uh the
applicant should coordinate with the Maple Sheet County Fire Official. That's a requirement of any approval that we give here, whether it's a canary store or whatever, we have the fire official. And then I speak about in the second paragraph of number five was the circulation plan. Graphically it it has
a turning template and we spoke about those issues, the concerns. Um 20 foot wide aisle. We've been through this. However, that we realize that there's 10 ft or less in that drive aisle and we say that the plant should be revised or
the fire marshall approve it as is or even maybe the police department. Uh six really uh spoke to sidewalks and again that was for the redevelopment area as I mentioned on the others. Everything's covered somewhere else in our ordinance uh that was covered in
this um redevelopment code. Uh item number seven was regarding the additional buffering and I can wait until we go to 20567 which is again the same thing. It actually requires more buffering than we've required in our redevelopment
zone. Again, I'm not sure why, but it's more it's less stringent than the rest of our ordinances. Um, we've identified we're identif uh show on the plans the width of that buffer to the ponderosa as you mentioned to the uh the second building for PJs.
And uh item number eight, again, Wallace spoke about outdoor lighting and it gave us issues that said they should comply with light pollution issues. Well, that's just a nice ordinance in our
redevelopment. The reality is 20567 and we're going to get to in a second is our lighting code and that talks about the same thing, light pollutions, nuisances and all that. So, uh while while they were referenced are they are appropriate. Um the and I go on to say
the site lighting is required to be revised. There are issues with the lighting plan. We need to go through that. They've agreed. Cheryl will work with us on that and make sure we're compliant. Currently, if you've been out to the site, we have some lights that shine this way, some lights shine this way, some lights shine that way, some are
this way. Some have missing heads on them. Not sure how the numbers came up with or for what fixture, but we'd like to see the details on the plan for the photometrics. Again, exactly what we're going to get, we should see on the plan. And I I make that akin to site security.
It's not just inside the building, it's also outside of the building is site security. So, I don't know if you want to tie and char this is up to your group or the board. Tie the parking lot lighting to site security. I I don't know. You have a generator, you probably do that, but I'll leave that to the
board. Uh nine is uh 20535H and that talks about the refuge storage and we've heard testimony on that. The only thing I would ask is does that mean recycling too? I always ask about recycling. Yes. So, everything's stored in the building. There's not carts outside or
That's correct. M Mr. Cook to testify. There'll be two 96gallon rollouts, one trash, one recycle. Oh, thank you. I'm sorry. Okay. He was going to he was going to keep them in the HVAC room, I think. Correct. They'll be kept in the mechanical room that escaped me earlier. Um rolled out when the trash come the private hauler comes rolled back in.
Great. Thank you. So, the site lighting and the lighting on the building I think should all play a part in the security of the facility. I I think it's it's we've already agreed to work with Mr. to work to clean up that the the lighting around the site. There's two competing issues here.
There's security lighting and then there's your requirements for downward lighting and and you know maintaining light level certain light levels but not exceeding certain light levels. It it kind of all goes together. So we the plan you the existing lighting does have issues as he noted and we've agreed to
work that out with him. Y and I just bring to Kyle's attention if you look at the lighting outside wiring very unusual. Uh just double check that signage. Thank you. You had the color renderings. You're complying with the existing standards in our code. No
issues with site signage. Um item number 11 was the parking and the ADA. There are a couple little issues with regard to some items there and the applicant I guess will work with with us to make sure it complies with ADA with regard to landings and slopes and stuff
like that. Um item 12 was the 15 foot wide one-way drive aisle and that is two 205-67E. I try to keep these in order. So that would be a variance. Uh currently I say there's 10 ft that exist between the
islands. Uh a variance is required. So again I'll rely on us hearing from Mr. Kerr tomorrow or the following day when he gets back and catches up to his emails where we are with regard to that. But that would be a variance requirement.
Item 13 is off street parking and the buffer requirements. And again, you've agreed to work with us and our landscape architect with buffering requirements. Uh 14 also speaks to buffers and the requirements. Again, this would be a
variance. Um minimum of 10 ft wide when adjacent to a street line and a minimum of 15 ft wide when adjacent to property lines. Here, I'll go back to where I said there were some references to our redevelopment zone. They require a 5-ft buffer in our redevelopment zone. This
requires a 15 foot wide buffer. So, our typical codes are more stringent than our redevelopment codes. So, again, um 15 foot wide buffer adjacent to property lines. It's an existing site. U we don't know what the one dimension is, but
you'll provide that. And with that, I don't know, especially along the ponderosa, the old ponderosa is what we know it has. Uh, could a fence be installed instead of a buffer to typically fencing, landscaping, burming addresses buffering. So, I don't know if it's something that you would want to
see rather than see the parking bumpers and then the ponderosa and then that's up to the board what they want to would want to deal with. It is a variance required. It's an existing condition, but we have a use coming in now that um I don't want to prejudice in any way,
but if kids are next door or something, we don't want that co-mingling or any ability for somebody to come over onto this site. Yeah, but say it's a privacy fence, wouldn't that be a security issue or I'm just saying I'm not the expert on
that and I understand you guys are going to address it. So, if you put a fence and it's a privacy fence, no one can see behind behind it. And so that's a consideration and at a minimum maybe something low growing and narrow could get in there but they're going to work with us on
that but I raised the fence just for the boards. But if I'm not mistaken Fred that Ponderosa building is not really being used for anything but storage for being utilized in the background. when when I
they have a different part that when I'm advising the board, it's not for today. It's for when that ponderosa becomes something else. Uh so what we want it to look like and what we're we're trying to achieve. So that's that's that's my goal is just to see what what you folks would
want to do. Uh the next one was sufficient lighting. I mentioned all the lighting issues. We'll go through that with the optics engineer and they've agreed to do that. Um, loading obviously the car size of any van or a van of some sort or standard car. Cheryl, is that what the
testimony was? There's no need for any loading. Well, we have a loading space. It's just undersized, right? It's undersized. Yeah, we meet the requirement to have a loading space. It's just Okay. And deliveries are by van transit van um pickup cash pickup by a guarder size truck and then
Okay. They're they're really sprinter vans is what they are. So, so again that would be variance for the size. The size typically they're talking about loading for a tractor trailer. Um, storm water management. The stormwater
basin from aerials that look like the back there's a depressed curb. There's an inlet that's full of water that's overflowing on the parking lot. It's clogged there. There were some references to cleaning out a piece of fabric on top of it. We don't know what's there. It's not identified on the plan. So, I'm asking that they show that
there are no roof drains coming off of this building anywhere. That means they're going underground somewhere. And although I may be perceived as causing some trouble, I'm trying to prevent that from backing up, making a swimming pool on the roof, and then going down through the middle of the building. So, I think it's something that has to be clearly
identified, cleaned, shown on the plans, and there has to be some management process for that. So, um, restriped the asphalt, the parking in the rear, and there were seven or eight new spaces proposed at the curvature at
the rear of the site. And to make that fit in, they put striped islands on each side because a car would project and the space projects 18 ft from they did a striping island that you typically see. Um I had made a recommendation that they consider from environmental standpoint
less impervious cover less storm water would have run off and uh even if it's just lawn there that that be considered to be curved it would also protect the side of the car or however you want to look at it. But anywhere that I see there's an opportunity to make an
environmental impact on a site, I certainly would want to try to do that. And it, like I said, stripe violence are in a lot of places, but um that's something that you you should should definitely consider. Um I'll go to basins restripe. We talked about that
and I'm almost through this sanitary sewer. We heard that you are connected to the sanitary sewer. Thank you for that testimony. um testimony required for the site information traffic engineer. We heard that there's definitely sufficient parking. We went through the same stuff with the IT. There's not going to be an
issue with this site. Uh survey and site plan. I think the one of the first things that the engineer spoke to was in the old days your property went to the center line of the road. That that doesn't occur anymore. I called Danielle at the county. We went through this and she said that they would address it when it came through. But you're saying you
have a letter of no interest from them already. Yep. So the deeds would have to be revised and but can I address that? Sure. I can't revise the deed. The deed in order to revise the deed, I'm creating a core in the chain of title and I can't do that. So if there's a dedication to
the county that's been made that's reflected, then we can update the survey and we'll do that and we'll pull that back. I I spoke to that's this is why I'm I'm wondering. I didn't have a copy of the letter of no interest from the county. I spoke to her Thursday or Friday and she
said that when it comes in when she sees it yeah she probably has 500 applications on her desk um when she sees it that she would address it with their survey crew. So it's either just an oversight or I just want to point it out that yeah I I'll coordinate with her. I I
just I you know in New Jersey we have a public policy of of not clouding the chain of title. So if if we did a quick claim deed to extract that portion from the existing legal description for the site, I'm creating a gore. This is more of a survey issue than
anything. Okay. So yeah, and we'll confirm with the surveyors. I did talk to Mr. Atkins today. They did have the benefit of a title report. Their survey says they didn't, but they did. I think they forgot to update that note general note, but we'll take it back to them and have them take another look at it, too. Thank
you. Um, and then I'm I'm sure at some point Daniel will reach reach out. Just trying to write some old wrongs. That's all. Yeah, I hear you. I just I I can I can do it in any way that doesn't create a cloud on the chain. Understood. Okay. Thank you. 22. We spoke at nauseium. Uh, the only thing I
add is the lighting is under the canopy that you're keeping. We have all kinds of lights. We have recessed cans. I have those ugly lenses that stick down. There's there's all kinds of various lights that have changed over time. So, you'll provide some kind of lighting that's consistent for all the
drivethroughs, which hopefully will be solid lighting, a can that's recessed. I don't know what it looks like out there, so I can't We'll work with you to address that. Thank you. That's one thing I haven't seen is the lighting under the canopy.
Okay. The 23 was the fire official, which we've mentioned before. 24 I put in every letter, which is the affordable housing obligation. I'm not sure where that lies. I'll leave that with the tax assessor, but I pointed out to you that there may be an obligation and you agree if there is an obligation, you'll take
care of that. Uh sitewide non-residential development fee will apply to any improvements. So, whatever that fee calculates out to will be paid. Um type of vehicles anticipated. We went through all that. Public sewer we spoke about. I have a duplicate there.
Landscaping. Uh just to point out the landscaping that is proposed on this site are 17 shrubs uh that are really I don't know if anyone's familiar with the red twig twig dog wood. It's it's relatively low 30 in of height and eight ornamental grasses. So there's not a lot
being proposed here. Um and the last items I think uh land speed uh to utilize native species. Again that's anything that is proposed make sure it's native uh not invasive. the existing shrubs that are along the property line that somebody cut recently and that's
the stuff we see in the back. Uh they're all compact ink berries which are extremely invasive to our area. Um asked for some substitutions. They've agreed to work with us. Regarding the existing buffer that is along these property lines, there are vines and poison ivy
and all the normal things that we see on sites that haven't been occupied for seven years. And that's where we were at this site. So, you'll clean all that up for us and Okay, that's all I have, Mr. Chairman, unless questions. Does anybody from the board have any questions for Fred?
Uh, could you just point to the ones we have to address? You mentioned a couple variances. Oh, okay. I I'll mention the variances while I go. Yeah. Okay. Someone does. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. Next to the public. Yeah. At this time, I'd like to open the meeting to the public. Anyone from the public wishing to address the board on this application may do so. Please state your name and address for the record. Thank you. My name is Andrew Simon sick, 17 over
Brook Avenue, Maple Shade, New Jersey. Um, so I'm just up here just to make uh some things to be put on the record. Um, first uh I don't know how how a business of this magnitude
um got past the site board. I don't know who made the decision. Um I think it would have been in their benefit to come to the site board. It would have saved you people a lot of time sitting here tonight. Um so that that's the first
concern that I have. Um, in fairness to all the other businesses and all the other people in this town. Now, uh, beings that that said, um, to address a couple things that seem to be an issue, uh, one of the things
is, uh, you know, the access. Um, the statement was made that nothing's changed. Nothing's changed. Password required. Sorry guys. Um, unfortunately, change happens every day in the world. And just to make a note to the count uh to the board, the
one big change um for access for the fire department is our ladder truck. The old ladder truck was a lot smaller. The new ladder truck is bigger. And the boards, as far as I see it, are first to
protect the township citizens with their safety, the safety of the people that are coming into the building to participate in the business. And these processes, as much as we don't like them or they seem to be a pain, also benefit
the owners because it mitigates liability later on down the line. So, as far as the fire official goes in this township, the fire official doesn't know anything about the sizes of our trucks and never driven them. My suggestion to this board is to put
everything to bed and numbers are nice and engineers, it's nothing against anybody here. Take the trucks out and see how they perform on the site. All right, that's the easiest way. TW 10 ft or whatever, it ain't cutting it. That
ladder truck 60 foot long. All right. So that is a recommendation moving forward for everything and I'm learning some things sitting out there. But moving forward, placement of apparatus for fires is very important. All right. So
that that is one of the things that I recommend that happens before anything moves forward uh with this point in the process. The other thing that was brought up was the uh the uh uh containment for the dumpsters for the
trash. To think that a business or anything in this world isn't going to generate any trash whether it's inside the building or out is ludicrous. Um the township has an ordinance with that and it's clear. We're going through a lot of issues right now with the
township with the ordinances and as fairness to everything else that's going on in this town. I think they should be made to put the trash uh cont uh containment area in whether they use it or not. That's their decision.
But there there just a couple of things and I think the other things kind of were addressed. But um I don't know if I'll get my answer on who who made the decision to to short these people the benefit of the site site plan, but you
know, it seems to me sitting out there that it's just, you know, chaos because it wasn't discussed before. I think that the uh the chairman of those boards would have appreciated that to happen. And my personal feeling is we're trying
to rush this through. This is the first one in Maple Shade. Let's get it right. Let's take the time to look at everything. And in doing that, it protects them later on, whether they want to open right away or not. I get it. I understand it. Time is money. But
if they would have came, they might have saved some time in in the beginning by coming to the site board. So, I just wanted those things on record. The fire chief should be the one that's going out looking at that and taking the trucks out there, not the fire official. He's
in charge of looking at the inside of the buildings and all the things that come with people moving and out. The fire chief is going to ultimately be the one that's in charge of the operations and dealing with all that if something was to happen out there, not the fire official. So, don't confuse what their
jobs are or what their what their purposes are. They're two different things. And if you want to get it right, the fire chief and the fire department is the one to talk to, not the fire official. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else from
the public wishing to address the board at this time? Okay. Is there a motion to close a public portion? I'll make that motion. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor? I. Anyone opposed? Okay. Back to the board. Nick.
Yes. I'm going to uh There was a lot of things that said that will be done. So, I'm going to try to include them. If I misstate them or anyone has any questions, please let me know. All right. The applicant is seeking a minor site plan approval and conditional use approval for the proposed change in use
of the subject property from a vacant bank to a retail cannabis use. Subject property is located at 380 South Lenola Road in the business development zone. The proposed use for the cannabis retail is a conditional use in the business development zone. The ACL seeks a bulk C
variance for a parking buffer to the property line where 2.7 ft exists and 15 ft is required. This is a pre-existing u non-conforming use. A landscape buffer to the property line where 1.6 ft exists and 5 ft is required pursuant to the township code. Again, another
pre-existing use. And then a bulk variance related to the dry where 10 ft is existing and 15 ft is required pursuant to the township code. Uh tonight we are looking for a vote to approve or deny this the minor site plan and the conditional use approval for the
change of use with the conditions agreed upon during the meeting. The conditions I have that I've written down are that the applicant has agreed to work with the township for lighting, landscaping, and the ADA parking uh issues that are remaining to clean out and maintain the
storm water drain. uh to work with the fire chief uh regarding the bypass lane and review and approval of that signage of a uh no consumption on the site to be uh work with the township on placement and size and anything else. Uh the
closure of the fourth lane uh then it will not be used as part of the business and um that they would provide the license from the CRC whenever it's received. Uh with that I submit uh the application for uh vote by the board. I'm sorry there was also one was it the
sidewalk? They agreed to the sidewalk. Well, that was a waiver. So that's a required by the ordinance. Correct. Right. So there's no waiver request anymore. So that's okay. Part of it. And the buffer the emergency generator. That's also required, isn't it? Not I'm sorry.
Isn't that required as per the ordinance? Yes. Anything you didn't mention that's required they have to do. Right. Right. If it's in the ordinance, I'm not I'm not achieving a condition because it's already required and there's no waiver for it. Yeah, I did mention the buffer variance. Okay.
Um for the where it's located and that they will work with township, specifically Fred, for lighting, landscaping, and the ADA parking. Okay. Okay. Anyone from the board have any other questions or comments? Does anyone want to make a motion?
I'll make a motion to approve. Second. Okay, Susan, could we have a roll call, please? Mr. Bertell, approve. Miss Bruce, yes.
Approve. Let's get here. Miss Rathgab, approve. Mr. Reeves, approve. Miss Ter, Mayor Telerico, yes. Miss Wallace, yes. Deputy Mayor Zeradnik, yes. Deputy Chairman Michel.
Yes. And Chairman Fletcher. Yes. Okay. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. And thanks for the education.
We're actually working on the um another site that you've issued a resolution to support. So I will be sure we get this grab before we resolution. So, it won't be 3 hours. Open to the public for general minutes. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to drink.
Have a great night. Thank you. You too. Thank you for your time and your indulgence. This is probably longer than what you're used to. I do this every day. I'm used to Have a good night. Thank you. No problem. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you. Education. And look and check out the Brewthroughs.
They're funny. The Brew Throughs. Go to North Carolina Justice Glo. Google it. We'll be down there again. I'm going to have to check that out. Folks, we just have a few items left. Uh resolutions.
Resolution 2025-PB-05 granting site plan waiver and change of use to Bana Colonovic block 91 live 3.01 on the tax map of the township of Mapleshade. Resolution 2025-PB-06
granting site plan waiver and change of use to the voice studio LLC block 126.01 lot 4 on the tax map of attachment map shade and resolution 2025-PB-07 granting site plan waiver and change of
use to magenta agency LLC block 126.01 lot 3 on the tax map of the township of Maple Shade. Is there a motion to approve? Make that motion. Is there a second? Any comments on I'm sorry.
Before we vote, Susan, do you know if there's anyone that um can't vote? I know I got the resolution somewhere. I don't know if you have It's all except um Miss Bruce. Okay. Everyone except Miss Bruce. Everybody else. Yeah. And I wasn't there, so I Well, I was there, but Yes. wasn't there.
Yeah. Okay. So, it's a motion in second. I'm sorry I interrupted. Sorry. Yep. Okay. All right. Any comments on the motion? Okay. All those in favor? I. Anyone opposed? Okay. Miss Bruce will abstain because she wasn't here.
Yes. Okay. And um moving on to before we get the minutes, um I'd like to open it back up to the public. Anyone from the public wishing to address the board at this time may do so. Seeing none, is there a motion to close the public portion?
Moved. A second. Second. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Yes. Okay. All those in favor? Okay. Approval of the minutes and would like to make a motion to approve the minutes. I do. Okay. Is there a second? I'll second.
Okay. All those in favor? I. Okay. And motion to adjurnn. Second. Good job, John. All those in favor? Second. All right. We are journed. Thank you. recycling
babysitter. I'll take it. I'll take it for you. Good stuff.