okay the March 12th 2025 zoning Board of adjustment meeting will now come to order please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one
nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all this meeting has been advertised in accordance with the open public meetings act roll call please Frank Lesar present Mike Stevens Beth Rees present Daniel
McDonald present Laura kii present B Jara Jo Mortimer pres Mariam babage president Lou Valentino president Karen R president chairman G pres uh in the absence of William
Zara uh Dan you will be a voting member J change positions on okay new business 14 Mars Avenue block 84.1 lot two Eastern Lift Truck Company
application number zbaa 24-12 Zone business develop velopment BD existing use vacant Warehouse proposed use general warehouse and storage application use variance and
minor site plan approval Allan good evening my name is Alan Aton I'm the attorney for the applicant and I am here tonight uh as your chair indicated for a site plan
as well as a use variance I I'll have three Witnesses tonight um Alan we're going to swear them in and then we're going to go to Fred for completeness okay okay you want want him first yes okay so let me just introduce them and
then um Bob can square them in Dave Barton who was a representative of the applicant East lift I have James Miller who was our professional planner and I have Bob Stout who is our
professional civil engineer other than I admit and if you want to swear them in raise your right hand please you swear or affirm the testimony give tonight will be the truth all truth must got I did gentleman please be seated
relax Mr chairman is regarding completeness the applicant did submit everything there were no waivers requested so uh We've deemed the application complete for review and obviously Prov provided that review to the board okay and as the applicant presents uh themselves tonight where it
affects your engineering report you'll comment absolutely sir Alan Tom J and uh by the way we have received the engineering report from Fred we've all reviewed it and uh my client will be um
providing information that was requested and will be supplemented by a civil engineer and of course the use variance expert testimony um from uh Jim Miller what I first like to do if I could Alan if everyone can move the microphones a little closer because always throughout
the meeting we're always saying hey move the mic a little closer just appreciate it thank you okay and Bob what I'd like to do I have six sets of photos sometimes it's helpful for the board members to pass them around there are six sets if they
can be marked we start them all with Freight yeah can we mark them as one exhibit um yeah we come Mar and just photographs they're all they're similar all right so A1 will be photographs have six sets so we're going to have to do little sharing here
yeah and uh Bob will when we get to um Bob st's testimony uh we'll mark that plan share withen A2 no no no it's you okay um Dave you've been sworn in so let
me get some information uh Dave what's your address uh my home your home address uh 71 Andrea Place Maple Shade New Jersey and how long have you lived there uh 10 years okay and do you work for the applicant eastn Lift Truck I do okay how
long have you been there 27 years and what's your job there what do you do uh presently I am the branch manager I'm sorry the uh the branch manager the branch manager wh which branch the Maple Shade the specifically the Maple Shade branch of Eastern Lift Chu yes branches
in the different locations yes okay and you've testified before this board before is that correct yes I have okay and um am I correct that you are familiar with the property 14 marev which is the property before the board that we're asking for a use fance is
that right yes correct and that property was recently purchased yes okay and 14 marus which is the property that we're dealing with today is adjacent to 10 marus is that right yes that is correct
and K marus is also operated by Easton Lift Truck yes that is correct okay now um what this is a vacant Warehouse currently is that right yes okay um we've circulated the photos of what is
just a um a bu building uh what is Easton uh plan to do with the property so uh we're not adding anything to the exterior of the property um we're going to paint it well we've already started painting it um we've done some concrete
work um we're going to replace the fencing well no well we're going to we're going to get to that what not what you plan to do to the building as far as this application is concerned Why did you buy it what are you going to use warehouse space okay and what are your
Warehouse Fork Cliffs which is exactly what you're you're doing at other locations is that right that is correct but okay um the who was the prior occupant do you know uh Carboline what did they do um epoxies and polymers and
flu sealants and chemical uh products of that nature uh there they're a subsidiary of stonehart okay now this property 14 moris um we've learned and we have determined this is actually a private
road is that right Loop uh yes not l 10 Mars 10 Mars isiv is a private road yes it is okay and um other than Eastern Lyft which is at 10 and 14 are there any
other businesses on this private road there is a business uh directly across the street from ten Mars I believe otch is the name of the company okay and what do they do do you know uh to be honest with you I really
don't know yeah okay fair fair enough okay and are there any Residential Properties on Mars on Mars Avenue itself no okay so it's just those three businesses on this private road that's correct okay and we will talk more about
the private road um when Mr Stout testifies okay and and um and by the way although we will be dealing with that as part of this application and this private road eastn lift has agreed to do
some repaving there of the road is that right yes that's correct and the details Mr St can can talk about how large is this building that uh everyone is looking at um to my knowledge the interior square footage 41,000 Square ft
okay now let's talk about how you're going to use it we have a 42,000 square foot Warehouse which is currently vacant okay what are your hours of operation going to be so um as stated on our company website our hours of operation
are 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. okay Monday through Friday okay so that's stated in your your website but that's what you plan on doing that's what we operate yes okay and how many employees will be working in this 42,000 foot Warehouse in this building we for C five okay five
Max five Max okay and that's all you need for the warehouse yes there's very little office space there okay and is there parking for these individuals yes there is how many parking spaces are there um I might have to defer to Mr
Stout on that but okay so he will testify about that um and the the amount of parking spaces to your knowledge which will testify the exact number is more than sufficient for for these individuals members of the public don't
come to this Warehouse is that a fair statement that's correct okay um so who does come to the warehouse how many vehicles service this building how many trucks come so we have
three of our own uh track trucks company trucks that would be parked at this building potentially uh overnight or would be coming and going from this building throughout the course of our business stay um in addition to that um
there would probably be two to three outside haulers that may come and go from this building on on average per day okay what size are what size are the truck usually they could be your trucks first of all what size are your trucks
Oh Our trucks um we have a tractor with a uh 40ft trailer and then we have two uh roll backs which are uh straight uh straight body trucks um which I believe are 30 feet in length Okay and and how
many trips would you estimate for this particular building in the course of a day in the in the course of a day both our trucks and outside haulers yes for the 14 Mars location I'm
going to say 10 okay that would be the maximum trips per day average yes and other than these other than the employees and the
um uh the the the trucks that you mentioned you don't have members of the public coming up and down the street do you no in fact at one end is it's a dead end correct right as your building is a
dead end yes okay um do you plan on putting on any signage on the building no okay you don't need it don't need it okay we we will label it with a letter for the fire department and you know the
address okay what you have to do right okay um do you plan on doing any changes to the building structure itself we do not okay it's not needed not needed okay do you um does your Warehouse have any
flammable or uh explosive materials that you keep in the warehouse we do keep propane at our at some of our buildings uh that being the fuel that the forklifts uh the propane forklifts use but they are kept uh within steel cages
that are placarded and within uh keeping you know the fire regulations okay nothing else nothing else okay real quick are they stored internally uh no outside the building okay where would they be stored they're stored in uh their steel steel cages
that are locked that but where oh um like up against the wall outside the building so it would be behind the fence line is it in any of the pictures um no because we don't I'm sorry we don't have any propane there at this time but once we occupy the building we would right
well can you show on one of the pictures where it would be when when Bob gives his testimony maybe he could just explain it because there is a driveway there that you could noted unless you want to show on one of these pictures where you will put these stel cages um so on the rear on the back side
of the building oh it's that's where we would place it yes okay thank you you can hold on to those um although you you indicated you're not going to make any physical changes of the building are you going to put any mechanical units on top of the
building we are not adding adding to it okay um Alan can I go back to the propane yeah you pointed out where it was going to be you said it was going to be in caged are the cages shown there or is that something you're going to add uh
we we will have uh we're not storing any propane at the building yet because we're not well we're not in it so to speak okay but you will be and you will cage it yes we will yep okay so what do you do you park the forklift inside they pick the tank up and bring it to the
cage that's correct and how do they do that with what um forklift no no no um the tanks are even when they're full they probably weigh about 50 lbs so a man will disconnect it place it over his shoulder walk it outside put it in the cage and lock it up what size tank is it
I'm sorry same size barbecue it's what same size the barbecue 20 lbs which would be it just looks a little bit different but it's the same thing it's about 20 lb okay M now originally at the time you purchased
the building there was a fence in front and it had Bob wire on it correct that is correct and that Bob wire has been removed is that right yes okay for for the entire site for the entire site 10 Mars and 14 Mars thank you sir you're
welcome okay now uh Bob's going to show the location but uh you're going to what kind of waste collection or recycling do you have on the on the premises for 14 Mars we're going to have an 8 yard litted uh refu
container okay now on one of these photos Alan can I ask a question yeah what type of waste do you anticipate office waste or uh correct from this building carboard office waste maybe some um uh occasionally there might be
some like uh tape and shrink wrap okay I think on the first photo that was in the build that we passed around there is a chain link fence right in the front is that correct yes that is correct okay
now with regard to this chain lean fence you're going to in effect convert that to a privacy fence that is correct okay and what how do you do that and and what are you what are you doing in order
to make that a privacy fence so yeah you you wouldn't be able to look in the rear so uh what we're going to do is we're going to replace that with vinyl panel um similar to what you would see on a residence um probably in a light gray color so it matches our color scheme but
it it Alan are you going to cover where the waste container is going to be stored and how you access it um Bob's going to cover it I think it'll be a lot easier because he's going to show everything on the map sure okay uh I I only wanted to highlight things about the building what he is
going to be doing and although once again Bob will be showing this um you're going to be doing some um landscaping around it to put some vegetation of sorts around by the fence is that correct uh yes flower beds and and some
bushes and and things along the yeah okay and we can get into more of that detail um it's also your request to this board that although the inter you're using the Ware house to store your
equipment you also want to put some exterior storage is that correct correct behind the building okay so and once again we'll show that when we go over the site plan but what will you be storing what is it that you want to
store behind the building so potentially um we occasionally have equipment um aerial equipment boom lifts that are difficult to store inside the building um so we would like to be able to store that behind the building it wouldn't be
visible from the street in any way but it would it would give us a bit of a little bit of flexibility you have residents there are no residents on the street you testify correct but there are residents who kind of back up across the street up on a
hill at the top of the hill that's correct okay and it is your opinion that both the the building itself the building and where you're going to store it will block any view of this from any neighbors that's correct okay and so
what's behind the building we said across the street Alan and Bob's going to cover that as how that takes place yeah okay save some time and we also want to know exactly what's being stored outside and what is not going to be stored outside okay you
can testify as to what you're not going to store outside well the if there's I mean it's in the negative um you're going to store some lifts potentially as I said it we're more thinking along the lines of aerial
equipment that is uh large boom type lifts that are difficult to get inside um we will not store batteries or any kind of electric equipment or um refu or or scrap or uh um attachments sure my my
question really is based on what was going on at the other sites at 10 Mars Avenue outside in the back you have all the lifts right correct are you going I know you removed a section or two of fence and it seems to already kind of be sprawling over a
little are you intending I just want the board to be why are you proposing that that will also just be continuous across there no 14 okay no what whatever you see um kind of leeching on to the other property right now that is is a result
of the process we're going through of trying to dispose of equipment and make space um for instance we had a crane on site today lifting up some particularly heavy pieces of equipment um which were removed to from the property to be scrapped um it there's a little bit of a
give and a take while we're trying to move and accommodate um the space in keeping with um what we are also trying to accomplish at our main property I fully understand that there's transitions going on but I just want
proof on the plans so that when the code enforcement five years 10 years 20 years from now go back to your property it clearly says what and where understood that's all I just want to make sure Bob has that on his plans problem and it it's in the resolution understood just a
couple more points you're not adding any lighting to the facility is that correct we will not be adding any lighting okay and uh I will note to the board that there are two residents who received our
notices who are here tonight um who obviously have the right to testify when the chair calls for opens it to the public but you also had the opportunity to speak to those individuals who are here is that correct that's correct and one of the items that they did point out
is that they can see the lights whether and they can testify to themselves the point I want to make is you have agreed to adjust Lighting in order if there are any complaints from the residents that
too much is spilling over is that right absolutely is the lighting now down lighting or not it is I'm I'm sorry is the lighting down lighting uh yes but it the um the an the angle can be the pitch can be adjusted
on it so um we want to make sure the hards aren exactly yeah so we were unaware until just a little while ago that that the the street that sits above can I guess some of that light is uh spilling over so we'll just adjust the lighting further down so it's it's more
down on the ground okay so so Bob on that could you just identify that on the plans with the light ler Sharon then I'll I'll go through that okay okay um the last question actually is not a question it's just a comment on your engineers letter he um there is a
provision with regard to environmental um because uh your engineer saw that there was some soil testing uh being done at the time that that he had noticed and he made a request for an environmental phase run report I've spoken to the engineer and I
will send him the summary portion not the 400 Pages um I will send that to him um but I also did want to mention one thing the reason that there is environmental testing at the site was because of the former owner and their
uses of the property um there is a law in New Jersey that we got to deal with called isra the in industrial site remediation act and if you Ed the property a certain way and had certain um pollutants we'll call it that on the property that was stored you have to
comply with the state and that is exactly what is happening now what you see any testing there it's being done by the former owner of very large company who is complying with the state under this isra application so that's in response to your just just as if you were to
purchase a property person selling the property in New Jersey wants to make sure they don't contaminate their site and then call back to them so they're they're doing their so really a purchase um assisted in the in the uh remediation
of any problems on this site as an extension of that yeah in that you're going to have storage outside I don't know if it would be Bob or Dave but your testimony that whatever that storage is would not contribute to those
pollutants yes yes there'll be nothing no hazardous site no hazardous um uh product or any object will be will contribute to that correct okay have a question about the
use uh this building looks like it was built as a warehouse yes so was it a non-conforming use when it was built no uh I I believe the the history of it and that the the prior Warehouse has been
there or the building has been there a long time and I believe that they may have obtained a use variance uh many years ago or maybe you can answer that when you get to that Jim I could answer it now it's a quick answer uh I believe
when the building was built in the 1960s that the area was zoned industrial and that's the reason that the AL news patterns are what they are you see a lot of uh one-story industrial buildings that were characteristics of of the 60s the BD zoning came in and I believe
sometime in the 1990s Mark Schuster I think did the uh ordinance and basically was an effort to uh take advantage of a trend in the real estate development world at that time where they were building a lot of U Prof
excuse me professional offices along 38 and Route 73 and they were I think wanted to tap into that that Trend it it didn't really work out that way because it was a kind of a short-lived uh uh Trend but I think that's the Genesis of
the the current zoning but I think when this structure was constructed it was an industrial area and it had industrial zoning I remember seeing that on some of the older Maps but it's say BD zone now it's BD now arguing that it's a pre-existing use as a warehouse I'm
going to present my testimony in support of a D1 variance because I think technically there's been an abandonment of the use and even though this use replicates the prior use because there was an abandonment I think that it's necessary to argue the D1 variant and
not a D2 or argue that it's an extension of the existing use okay yeah that usually goes the other way yeah you're arguing that is not a pre-existing you that's a little unusual don't tell the client well there are changes being made even though they're
minor they're being made to the site that can impact the residents and although we say the residents aren't on this street they are on the side property line they're almost like a corner lot at the end of this street so there is a resident that AB buts whether they're 24 feet higher or 20 feet higher
they do ab but the RightWay line of Mars Avenue so that is the concern we just want to make sure and obviously we have a few residents here okay I had a couple questions go ahead um you had mentioned that there's going to be outside haulers
coming into the complex yes what type of cargo were they bringing in well in our case it would it would literally be Fork Cliffs um just the forli either either picking up or delivering them um our um our neighbor across the street um I
don't know what material there are trucks that presently already come on the Mars Avenue both for our property at ten Mars and the uh the neighbor uh across the street there Aerotech okay now it would be just your company that's
going to utilize this particular building correct yes that is correct other company no other company comp okay now this area uh where you store things outside uh does the public have access
to it I know what and I'm saying that because when I was young uh we used to go down to the clay pits near there a few days ago but at any rate that's under record you know how
teenagers can be and things like that is this all gated or um it is fenced in um there previously there was barb wire along the top of this fence um which we we have since removed um but there is a
uh there is a fence that uh encompasses the area that we are proposing to keep some equipment and how high is this fence I believe it is six feet how how high six feet six
feet all right can you tell us more about what happened with the clay no we we don't Ral anything like that I did have one question as well um I know you said that your of operation
will be 7 to 5:00 p.m. do you expect any traffic outside of those business hours coming in and now there's always the potential that a truck driver might come in overnight um and and just park um they do sometimes do that um most times
they'll go to the Walmart or something up here on on uh 73 but they do occasionally Park on site they might show up at like 4 in the morning and then they'll just sleep until we arrive to unlo concern with that would be idling so right we will put up we have
similar signage at our other building that'll State no idling you know idling and things like that you you're welcome will there be cameras exterior and interior there are not presently um I do not we did not have plans to install cameras how you
run around the uh tanks the outside tanks the cage not at this moment we haven't we haven't considered doing that we don't have cameras at our other property either maybe you should think about okay it be a safety factor is there any
kind of alarm system in there uh fire alarm is a hard wire it is Alan will one of your Witnesses be testifying to the turning radius of the truck okay yes any other questions of Mr Barton yes
well there be an employee there at night if you have uh callers coming in late at night will there be an employee of yours or well te technically our receiving hours stop at 3 p.m. um trucks our own trucks will show up as late as 5:00 but
it's I I don't ever I don't want to say never but more I can't imagine that that would happen very often we we we generally try to be out of there by 5:00 p.m. so what would you do you'd get uh your your trucks ready to go with the propane on the mor and he would just roll them onto
his carrier if you don't have an employee there I mean who's responsible for getting the uh what is it Easter uh what's your truck for forlift who's responsible from getting them out of the storage onto the truck so most well
everything that we do is scheduled in in regards to uh Trucking so anything coming into the building or leaving the building is is prescheduled either with the outside haulers or uh you know with our own staff um we try to stay within
the operating hours that we State um and if somebody shows up after hours generally we turn them away um one because we don't have the staff on hand anymore to unload them and two they were forewarned what our operating hours were so they shouldn't be showing up after
hours um during operating hours um there are staff on site at the building that assist our drivers with moving equipment to and from the trucks from the building to the trucks and and back so your testimony is although you
try to be perfect there's all there could be exceptions regrettably Murphy's Law applies yes these are all large tractor trailers I'm sorry these are all tractor trailers that are coming in the extra 10
a day yes any other questions you'll have opportunity later Allan you want to proceed yes uh so I'd like to call Bob Stout Robert Stout and Bob you've been swor in and uh
Bob you are a professional engineer I am and you've testified before this board before I have okay I would ask that he' be accepted okay so Bob rather than me asking you questions why don't you walk the board through and you've heard some of the questions that were asked about
turning radius lighting Etc if you could highlight those as well as waste management and true uh first let me you had made a comment about 10 extra trucks it's not 10 trucks it's 10 trips so it's only two or three extra trucks that will
begin so a trip is one in one out so uh as David said it's very low traffic volume it's not 10 trailers a day we have three okay and those are there unless they're scheduled and there's one or two two or three I think he said that would come in that is an outside vendor
the outside so so it's not 10 it's just a clarify okay so let I want to ask you a little housekeeping thing here if you could drop that back a little bit and go on the opposite side so yeah when you refer to it okay we can all see what you're referring to well
Markus is what's 822 yeah that was A1 all right so A2 is the site plan that you have in your package that were submitted in the only difference is we colored this a little bit just it's easier for everybody to see what it is so let me walk you through what the
existing site is the access and stuff like that and then we can go from there as we talked about it's about a 41,000 foot Warehouse as you can see here in the gray the area to this is north to the top to the east is all
existing binous and concrete the area from the center of the building to the West is a old style detention Basin which is where the w colle there is an inlet in the front so this is the old style retentions not current to today's standards but when this was
built that was what was constructed access you can see from the Sal tooth design actually you can't quite see it over here but these are all docks that were built originally so the docks all face out because Morris a is a
little more narrow because in this case as if you're familiar with this Cedar sits here this is the residential dead end this sits up literally 25 to 30 ft above this grve so we're kind of limited to this area here so you asked about
tractor trailer so how the trucks come in they access if they want to come around the back they would obviously just go straight in this way if they are coming into this direction in order to backload they come into this section and that's why this cut out trucks com into
this section here back up this way pull forward and then back into these loading docks so it's basically a k-term movement uh these three spots are what we've dedicated for the existing uh Eastern
Truck uh permanent trucks that are there so that's the site that's there so that's the circulation one of the questions also was TR had a question on what is moris Avenue Morse Avenue is not a dedicated street it's actually a lot
it's known as lot six 8401 this is a lot that is actually owned as part of the owners of Lot 10 so when Lot 10 was created lot six was created as part of an easement so it's
actually a deed lot owned by the owners of Lot 10 in this case now is Eastern truck so this is a strange little SL it's got a 50 foot that's called it right way as it gets to this back where this angle point is it widens out to 70
ft wde so Bob when you reference Lot 10 we talking about 10 Mars 10 I'm sorry l 10 Mars yes yeah it's lot five lot five yes lot five is 10s refence so the owner of lot five which is 10 Mars is the
owner of the easement and that easement is called morab it's accessed by the resident or the uses around there the two Eastern trucks and the I think it's Aerotech across the street so that's the site it says talking about the existing
site it's got a chain link fence that wraps around comes around the back and wraps around the property fence along this section so the entire back is fence security this is how that's all
that so that's the existing site there's really no site improvements that are shown on here so what we've done is we've worked with Fred's office for a couple of items we put in front of the board nor so a couple of things we want to talk about here what we've talked
about is the number of employees there's five employees what we've done is we've dedicated seven parking spaces we have them shown in red on the easterly side and the reason we have seven is just because you have an extra space or two we don't necessarily need them and all
they to do is striped for Access around the perim of the building as David talked about earlier a couple of things we're looking to do the improvements uh the front section there is currently a gate that's a little off-centered what
we're going to do when we replace this fence we're going to Center that into the center of the drive AIS Fred made a comment to make sure we do alignment properly so that will be a solid fence another issue that the site does not have is ADA
compliance so obviously were required based on the number of parking spaces one Ada space so we're proposing a space in the front there's no access to that so we have two options we can either do a ramp or we can do a
chairlift so in this case uh chairlift makes more sense so we'll do the Ada chairlift along the front so the entire front is ADA Compliant uh couple other comments and questions Fred had talked about some lighting you'll see on the plan these
dark black boxes those are the existing lights that sit there today they are LED and as Dave said they are actually they're designed to be horizontal which is the way your code reads and requires right now they're tilted up a little bit on probably about
a 15 degree and again those can be adjusted down in order to minimize any aware down here we have done a light study on here and it's proposed in it's shown in the package there and in that light study shows that we have more than
adequate lighting around the perimeter of the building there's even lighting back in this section which obviously we don't need but there's an existing light there so it lights up that whole front section uh the really couple of the other changes that Fred had asked and we
agreed to do is once we make this a solid fence he's asked for us to incorporate some Landscaping along this front area uh 73 is to the east you're coming down moris so what we've done
here and again shown in this application because it was in Fred's letter we are going to do a raise planter bed right along that perimeter so if you're driving down 73 and you look down Morris Avenue you'll see a fence that is there
and then you'll see behind that fence you'll see the Landscaping that we're proposing to give you a little bit of buffering on the site because obviously your requirements have some buffer requirements there's really not a lot of space to do buffering on this site so in order to do that that's the most
effective way to do a buffer gives us that visual break from 73 back looking the end really that's most of what we're proposing for that a couple other questions that had come up uh trash enclosure and dumpster so we're proposing to put the trash dumpster into
the back corner we've done a trash truck turning template this allows the truck in turn and back out we not proposing toose that a standard dumpster mainly because this is an industrial site we
are buffering the front so we're making this a solid buffer so we're requesting that not to be in a enclosed dumpster it's enclosure within an enclosure kind of a little redundant the other question was what are we doing with the propane so the propane area would be back in
this rear northeast corner of the property and the last question was outside storage line of that building the area in the back section would be the perfect spot so what this is this are the railroad
tracks so The Trestle Crossing 73 this is basically in a hole 25 foot up on this side another 15 foot up on this side so all of that outside storage is placed behind the building not visible from any direction woodage to the West
wooded to the north and this section will have the solid front facing along with the building in front of it so really from a site plan standpoint there's really not a lot of site plan improvements we're doing we are dressing it up we talked about the improvements
to the building improvements to the lighting so that's really what we're looking to do throughout the site I have one question one request not a question request about the fence Landscaping buffer creation everything you will draw on a plan and submitted as a compliance
to the approval absolutely yes I have Ted with Fred and we're in agreement that we'll put it along that sideline there work put it everything on the drawing so it becomes a record for the town yes and we will Mark the limits of the outside storage spreds requested so
10 years from now enforement will have a limit of demarcation going back to the lighting sure how does it operate is it on at a certain hour and stays on till another hour or is it sensitive to somebody
entering the property I'm going further I'm not sure how that works I'm not sure how they're photo cell so it it the individual lights sense whether uh certain level of darkness and then they come on to their own and then they shut off equally when they sense a certain
amount of light okay okay I'm going to ask the board members if they have any questions of Bob and if not then I'm going to go to Fred I think it's a perfect compliment to get your comments
on engineering uh I'll start out by saying thank you Bob and making all the changes the site is pre-existing I'm going to go through with the ordinance requirements this site would never exist today if they had to meet the ordinances
uh first of all you have loading in a front yard we would never allow that so I'll Breeze through these and point out where they may need variances I don't know if Bob is going to require us to have variances some are pre-exist side yard setbacks rear yard setback front
yard setback it's there so I'm just going to run through it with you and go back and forth I guess with Bob and Dave and U we'll get through this and then we can hear our planning testimony so uh I'm referring to page four of our letter
and we've already heard about number one testimony what's happening here why they're doing it number two was we'll hear from Mr Miller shortly regarding that three is the landscape plans be some Landscaping as currently existing and what was submitted there was Zero
Landscaping you're going to hear me mention buffer sections buffer buffer buffer landscape land that's in our ordinance if it was built today they would have to comply with that and we did speak with Mr Stout they're proposing just about as much as they
could I think on this site uh without building against a railroad or side yard or the Old Clay Pit um there's really not a lot that they can do there the entire western side of the building is a basin and then there's the wooded area
from the Clay Pit and then half of the northern side which is the railroad tracks I don't know what we would be buffering from or to because behind that is more industrial buildings so all right number four was waste management and recycling I don't know I know Dave
you mentioned cardboard so obviously Township sensitive you're going to be recycling the cardboard will we have a separate container we can I mean do you have a lot of carboard like no there would be a you know occasionally something might come
get delivered by UPS so um in this building we would not generate much cardboard all right so it could po some kind of container even if it's one of the 96 gallon things we all have in our homes oh absolutely okay all right thank you um moving to the next page noise
obviously when we heard from stonard there was a always issue is there any kind of ventilation in the top of this unit that's going to be running through the night or air conditioning how is this facility managed now is it is it conditioned is it a conditioned space or
there are I mean there are heaters inside the building um is there air conditioning uh there is not okay yeah are you putting air conditioning in or anything um potentially we might add a like residential type air conditioning unit for the office space only yes I'm
just sensitive after we listen to other testimony in the past that the noise and the squealing and so you're not doing anything to condition the warehouse no no okay thank you you're welcome um so we heard about the noise storage and
waste disposal I think we've spoke about that unless the board would have questions flammables is item six which is a flamels you are going to store it all outside it's going to be in accordance with the Fire official and and I did not get anything from the Fire
official I assume prep he'll review this appliation they they will conduct the inspections because this is the existing building they need not to review any plan but once they occupy the building they will come for the inspection and they will suggest their requirements okay and you agree to comply whatever the fire absolutely not that we have a
choice I guess so A good question yeah how do you refill your tanks do do you have a larger tank on your other side we do not there is a mobile service that comes out to our site and they refill the tanks for us Allen propane I believe is who we use so they take the tanks and
give you new ones no they actually they come out in a tanker type truck uh and they refill our tanks on site I guess they do the testing for you when they need to be yes um the the tanks are all um uh stamped with dates and and and if any of them are found to be
non-compliant we have to discard them and they have to be uh recycled next item was six was actually three products stored Outdoors we've heard about that outdoor uh item seven in that number six 6.7 was outdoor
storage of waste receptical we've heard about that present you're not proposing an enclosure you're just going to have the steel dumpster sitting on a pad is that correct B that's correct okay it's behind the closed door and behind the yep chain link fence okay uh next item number seven was the impervious cover
our ordinance allows 75% they're slightly over but I think with the change that Mr Stout is proposing they'll most likely come into compliance so that I think we should still look at it as a variance but we don't have a number but it may actually not be a variance so um but to caution we ask for
variance yeah I would suggest you use that number right if we can we can if we can right okay uh the next item is what I spoke about earlier 8 nine and 10 we have a sidey yard setback 30 ft they have 29.9 uh next one is the rear yard set
back they have 37.6 40 next one is the front yard they're required to have 40 they have 27.7 and obviously a loading dock in the front yard but I don't know if we would need variances for them again Bob uh it's pre-existing no okay uh next item
is the parking and we've heard testimony on the required parking number of employees so we're fine with that the next item is a driveway when you have driveways obviously to back out when you have perpendicular parking at 90° the aisle by ordinance is required to be 25
you have 24 and you are limited to the space there so you would be requesting a variance for that yeah that's the existing condition yeah okay and just so the board knows 24t is typical in most Drive AES um where you have cars that
back up against each other sometimes you look for 25 ft like our ordinance identifies but this is just a single row of parking on the uh East Side next item 13 14 and 16 are all about
buffering our ordinance requires screening perimeter buffering front yard buffering it varies and each of these really are applicable to the site but there's really no way to comply without a 25-ft front yard buffer but we only
have 27 feet it's the loading docks so you would be required to have variances for each of those and 15 we spoke about the lighting there was one small area that there was no lighting but I can work with Bob on that one little area it may not be necessary especially with the
hours of operation 5:00 pm uh there really would be nobody out here um 17 uh the access gate is offset we spoke about that that's been addressed 18 was the mill and overlay Bob could you just show the limits if you didn't already of
where you're going to Mill and overlay this roadway sure 73 down the end this is lot five or 10 Mars we're basically coming there's a driveway comes right into the end of that we're going to start right at that driveway the entire back section is in a
little bit disrepair so we're going to Mill and overlay that fed's note says if there's some base repairs it'll be there to check it out good okay uh that so that's addressed so this road is in pretty bad shape right now so I know it's not a Township Road but it's going
to be repaired that's that's a very good thing um paved area storage parking 19's been addressed 20 responsibility of Mars Avenue we we did speak about that but I'll back up the 19 very
quickly something that came up previously part of our code enforcement for property maintenance is chapter 15 we don't get into that here but I will talk about it briefly Property Maintenance includes the storage of items outside that aren't
supposed to be there and that's what we had run into on some other sites and it's not just the folks at Eastern it's it's throughout the town uh we have a whole set of ordinances that say you can't store things outside people to put recycling in the front yard all those things we address in our ordinance a lot
of times it becomes an Enforcement issue which is like chasing your tail U it's a very difficult thing but the applicant is that's why I spoke about where you're storing things so once they get the approval to store behind the building
the larger pieces of equipment Etc now they're protected from our ordinances that would say hey you can't store that outside because that's what you're doing you're granting that relief to allow them to store those materials outside so that's why I was trying to be as clear as possible for the record that that's
permitted at the the rear of the building I have a question to Dave uh do you have any number of uh for Clips you will store outside you will you limit the numbers or entire space will be used so in in regards to 14 that that space
is not that big but do you number the any it's hard to say pretty because if we're talking aerial equipment which tends to be large um awkward you know awkwardly designed it could be five pieces of equipment um what the
maximum I I would say maximum pieces of equipment behind the building um rather than the count why not just identify the area okay we've identified the area directly if you identify the area then whatever you fit in that area is what you're do
okay and it'll be machines it won't be waste it won't be machines only equipment Y no scrap No Junk no trash so earlier when Fred was asking where and what you'll just identify the area and
give the A to Z as to what can be there okay great the next item is 20 which was the Mars Avenue situation happened here what does it we've heard about what it is Private Road owned by lot five not 10
okay I always have me say 10 the next item is something that every site that's existing there's an annual report that the D requires that the township enforce that they submit private entities must submit a report an annual report to our
stormw coordinator I don't know who that is but it's a requirement for all sites in the town that operates private storm water subers system so there is a very Bob you can assist them with that there's it's a standard format after every quarter every 10e storm every you know
you have to go out there and do inspection after every storm event you have to do fill out a report and then turn in an annual report very few towns are doing it but there's an audit coming because the D knows that very few towns are doing this so we should be a little more proactive in that regard if we
could so I just I will raise that with every application that comes okay um the enclosure we talked about that Bob just looking at some details concrete Paving repairs I'm not sure you were in the process Dave of making repairs to the
concrete uh that whole front area is in was in bad condition have you made all the oh all that you've made changes to okay wonderful yeah this is all new concrete yes sir okay thank you so that's not an issue let's go back to the enclosure yes sir and Bob made the point enclosing an enclosure we're not going
to require the enclosure to be enclosed are we and that is be that's that would be up to you uh our ordinance for trash enclosures there are at least five sections that talk about masonry walls and beautifying and a foot over the dumpster and we have all kinds of
details and buffer requirements okay well the board should take in consideration when they do make a motion the request that says perhaps we shouldn't have an enclosure with an enclosure okay correct I'm okay with that that's why we spoke about the solid
fence you would not be able to see it from right U the issue of typically an enclosure also is more in a retail situation you throw someone throws the trash there and it blows around right the idea of the enclosure is to enclose and and right contain the waste so to
speak but I don't think that's the case here so uh so I I would be okay with that Varian or waiver U Mr Mr chairman uh the next item payment repairs you spoke about signage you did testify no signage just the numbers on
the building forther fire code so um if you should require signage obviously that would go through Prett deep um rooftop units there's really no air conditioning so we're good with that um I always identify there may be an affordable housing obligation it's not
my bile Wick so that would be up to the tax assessor and if there is some affordable housing obligation you'll agree to comply I can't imagine there is but I don't know I'm not that's not my my thing is what it
is okay Jim cover that I can yes thank you Jim the next item 27 was a barb wire that's all gone the environmental sampling you're going to provide us with the report uh then the rest of details and site safety so that's it from the engineering standpoint then we have the
planning standpoint which Jim is going to speak about briefly okay before we go to that when we get to where we're considering a motion you have a list of variances here some of them are pre-existing and one of which may be a
waiver now so you'll review that when we get to that point Allan okay if there are no further questions of Bob I'd like to call Jim Miller uh Jim you been in you are a licensed professional planner is that correct I am you've testified before
this and other boards before is that correct yes I have would ask the board to accept them as many times accept them okay okay Jim why don't you summarize the use variances and any other variances I'm I'm going to just start out briefly with the affordable housing
the way that works is there's a 1.5% fee on new construction that goes into the affordable housing account that the township maintains I don't believe there's any real obligation here because there isn't any new construction so basically it's not going to be an issue
with its application but it's not it's mandatory you know if you the town can't get Grant relief from that anyway so whatever the regulations are they are but I don't believe again that there's an obligation here due to the fact that it's an existing structure Jim if it's possible could you bring that mic a
little closer to you better better okay okay so that brings me to the planning testimony you've already heard extensive testimony about the site itself uh its own BD Business Development that zits a
wide array of businesses it tended to favor larger scale businesses uh it was created back in the 90s uh this use is not a permitted use within the zoning District which is why we need the the uh the use variants basically uh the the
surrounding land uses are on the North and to the east of the site are industrial uses that were established many years ago uh when the area was predominant industrial uh to the South there's a residential area that's uh above
basically the area we're talking about there's a wooded area that uh occupies the slope between Morris Avenue and the backyards of the industrial or the residential area which is zoned R2 and then to the north of the site there's a railroad right away and again there's an
embankment along there which you can see on the topography it's about a 15ot um difference in elevation between the the back of the uh the pad in the back of the building in the where the railroad tracks are and and to the West there's a
bacon lot which is predominantly wooded uh and those are the surrounding uses um right now the current use of the building is basically a vacant Warehouse it's I don't know how long it's been vacant but long enough that I think it considered that the original use was
abandoned and uh that coupled with the the operational difference differences between this use and the prior use I think are enough to trigger the need for the use variants we're seeking this evening uh you've heard a little closer wow
yeah but you can uh uh we've already again going through the operational characteristics of the use in terms of the relief we requesting it's a D1 variance to allow the warehouse shoes with the outdoor storage in the rear of the
building um I I think the only variance relief we need beyond that in terms of bulk Varian is be the one for the parking uh because we aren't complying with the parking standard uh we're providing uh seven spaces we have five employees so we believe the parking is
adequate uh and uh other than that I believe all the releases all the bolk deviations are existing conditions even the buffering really is an existing condition because there is no buffering there and there's really no uh space to provide
so I I believe that all those are pre-existing conditions don't require any further relief or action from the board uh and the only relief uh we need in terms of bulk would be the uh bulk standards would be the parking variants and the uh out outdoor storage so those
are both uh C variances that can be subsumed within the D variance under the under the case law hedi have the U I can't remember balance of the name of the case right now but the Magi case basically
says that you can subsume the bolt relief within a D1 variants so with the Positive criteria we have to show that the use is going to advance purposes of the municipal land use law and that the site is particularly suited for the proposed use uh the two purposes I'd cite this
evening or purpose a to encourage Municipal action to guide the appropriate use or development of all lands in the state in man will promote the public health safety morals and general welfare and purpose G to provide sufficient space and appropriate locations variety of agricultural residential recreational commercial and
Industrial uses an open space for public and private according to their respective environmental requirements that to meet the needs of all New Jersey citizens and again those are purposes you've heard me uh cite those on numerous occasions they basically support uses which are appropriate uses
of of the land the assumption is that if it's an appropriate use it advances the public welfare and addresses purpose about regarding the sufficient space for a variety of uses in terms of the particular suitability of the site I think first of all the proposed
Warehouse is fully appropriate use of the site and its existing building and improvements this was a structure that was designed originally as a warehouse the new use is consistent with that original use and with the uh
improvements that within the building uh the only changes that are going to occur here mainly upgrades to the uh complex access is going to be provided to make it uh compliant with current Ada standards uh the parking will be
demarcated and there'll be some spaces added to accommodate the parking demand generated by the use uh Morris Avenue is going to be repaired and resurfaced and the applicant is going to add landscaping and screening to the property to screen
uh some of the facilities as you've already heard from from from Bob and Dave so basically uh the building and the improvements are are designed and appropriate for the use as proposed and there'll also be some enhancements as a result of the site plan uh proposed to
accommodate the use which are going to further contribute to its suitability for the proposed use as a warehouse secondly the site is located within the developed industrial area and surrounded by compatible uh uses uh if the area is basically
dominated by very similar uses and in this case the uses are actually extensions of the use which was being proposed all of them are basically uh various elements of uh Eastern Lift Truck so
uh they all basically are associated in some way with with this use in that they're either servicing or or storing or occupied by for or the low ve low speed vehicles that were discussed a
couple years back during another variance sering there are other uses in there as well as you've heard the testimony but they're all again basically light industrial uses that are comparable and impact in intensity to this use and
uh this is a use that's uh where the storage is very important element of the use itself this building is going to allow uh some of the materials and vehicles that have been historically stored outside to be stored inside which is an advantage to both the
appli in the township because that it gets them basically uh screened from public View and also it's just better to when you can to store the equipment inside to protect her from the elements um the applicant is asking permission to
store uh the Boomer uh lifts in the rear of the building but the impact of that storage is going to be completely mitigated by the character of the site uh there's the ability to completely screen it by a combination of the structures
which are in in between any public view of the facility and the where the the uh boom list will be stored this building itself is going to block most views of it and the remaining views will be blocked by the railroad um embankment
the woods to the East and the buildings uh the buildings to the the uh to the east of rather to the east of the structure the woods are on the west and the the uh wooded area in slope that's on the southern side of the building so basically uh there won't be any impact
from those uh from the storage of that equipment and uh it's it's a totally suitable area to for the Lo to locate that type of storage is associated with the use um so basically the uh the new use is going to be virtually identical
to the former use that both cases there were Warehouse uses the only change is that the uh it's going to be Warehouse as opposed to or ra uh Lift Trucks as opposed to the chemical storage that was there historically and uh but basically
it's it's the same use as as what was there historically for probably six or five or six decades and finally um the remaining benefit of this is basically it supports the existing
business and allows it to grow and adapt as its needs change and and the business grows this provides it with some additional facilities to allow it to continue to prosper in the location in which it's located and it does need the additional space in this uh this
approval of the their ability to utilize this Warehouse will address that need as well so for those reasons I believe the site is particularly suited it satisfies the criteria as particularly Suited and it would Advance the purposes of Municipal land use law I cited a moment
ago in terms of the negative criteria we have to show that there's uh no substantial detriment to the public welfare and that the uh use will not impair the intentor purpose of the Zone plan and zoning ordinance and it can be reconciled with the failure to otherwise included within the BD District in terms
of the uh General Welfare prong that's a function of how the uh facility is going to impact the the neighborhood uh this application deals with the building which has been present in the community since the 1960s historically it was used as a warehouse and the proposed use is
similar in its uh design and character to the original use and remains appropriate to the building in the facilities that are located there it's all also located among other industrial uses that are long established and it'll
be screen from the R2 uh Zone to the South by the hedro and and U plants that are occupying the slope that lines uh moris Avenue so basically the impact of this facility is isn't going to change in a significant manner except for some
of the uh improvements that are were described earlier in the engineering testimony for example controlling the lighting a little better repairing the road you know those those types of uh enhancements so basically uh the impact
on the area is going to be similar to what has been historically with a few uh tweaks that'll improve it and mitigate its impact to some extent uh but otherwise uh as a result uh I don't believe there's any uh substantial detriment to the public welfare as a
result of this application basically it's going to replicate the conditions that have existed there for decades and uh and and they won't be exacerbated in any respect by the uh application before the board this evening in terms of the
uh balance of the negative criteria I think that this use can be reconciled with the failure to include it within the Zone uh for a number of reasons uh primarily because it's going to be the ReUse of an existing structure which is in an existing uh business
complex it represents the best means of reoccupying what is now a vacant structure uh it also recognizes the mlul um right that the owner has to continue to occupy and utilize an existing structure and existing Improv
ments and so basically uh the requested variance is consistent with those standards and with the established and existing land use patterns and the variance also involves an area within the BD's District which is occupied by
similar uses uh I think I cited the same uh criteria when I was discussing the uh the variances for the lowspeed vehicles basically these are established patterns it's an entrenched land use pattern
along the Route 73 Carter um there's a need for the indoor storage space which is going to service this established use and basically it's just an extension of of an existing business which is again long occupied the area and the are has
become accommodated to these impacts over the decades in which these uses have always been present along this section of the route 73 Corridor and basically all these conditions make this a good alternative use for the property it's basically the
same use which has always been here historically so uh basically um there's not going to be any discernable change in the appearance of of U the area uh there will be some enhancements in terms of screening and buffering which will uh mitigate further
mitigate the uh impact of these uses on the surrounding Community um there's going to be import improvements Morris Avenue which have ALS will also be an enhancement to the area and um basically uh there's not going to be a
significant overall impact on the Zone plan other than those those improvements and uh as a result um there's no impairment in tener purpose of Zone plan because there's really not going to be anything significantly different here uh and as a consequence I believe you can
reconcile this use with the failure to otherwise include it within the zoning District primarily again because it's uh consistent with the established land use patterns and there will be no impairment in the ter purpose of the Zone plan and zoning ordinance and as a consequence I
believe that the application merits the board's approval Jim as usual very thorough thank you not the most exciting part of the I I'll try to make it a little exciting if I could however I'm going to come to Fred
and and ask him did he cover everything you need Mr chairman as a professional planner I can say that Mr Miller did an excellent job covering the proofs while it seems long-winded it's required that he meets the proofs and I'll just briefly go through it I'm glad he said
that though uh for for a D1 Varian is there's special conditions special reasons Mr Miller hit those then there's the negative criteria no impact on the neighborhood and the four criteria that we always use is compatibility does the
board think this is compa compatible use with the surrounding area I think we've heard that it it generally is uh are there any mitigating factors well it's an existing building we've heard all those uh they're improving the road they're putting buffer and all these other items that we spoke about this
evening is the property suited for the intended use I think it was built it had been used for a warehouse so we've heard that um the use will not adversely affect the flow of traffic or Highway these are standard conditions and we know that it will not not there's very
low traffic being generated by this site then we have our own code we actually have our own little ordinance in Maple Shade for use variances and the first one is that the use is consistent with the spirit purpose and intent of the zoning ordinance so that that's what the board
looks at now when you're listening to Mr Miller uh is it consistent with what is going on in that area and I think the board may find that that that is the case uh that the use will not substantially injure detract from the use of neighboring properties we do know
we have a residential area that sort of fronts on this property it's an elevation of 20 to 24 ft higher the applicant's going to adjust the lighting and if we hear from residents we'll we'll be able to prove a little further if there's any kind of uh
negative or anything that injures or detracts from these residents use of their property so that's something you're still going to listen to if there are people from the public coming up the next one is uh the proposed choose changing use serves the interest of the best interest of the township changing
use is minimal and that would be the decision for you to make is this serving the best interest of the township of Maples shade and for EAS um next one would be considerations should be given to the effects of the proposed change upon the logical efficient and economical extension of
Public Services facilities etc etc and it does it's existing facilities out there already wood or sewer and that's really what that's speaking to the fifth prong of our own ordinance talks about subdivisions which doesn't apply here and the last one is the most important I think it says the zoning
board should impose such conditions in addition to those required as are necessary to Ure to assure that the intent of the zoning ordinance is complied with which conditions may include but are not limited to harmonious design of buildings plantings
and maintenance thereof as a sight or sound screen uh the minimizing obnoxious offensive or hazardous elements and adequate standards for parking and sanitation so I think we did hear about all those but you have a right through a you experience to ask questions and to
require certain other things that you may feel are important for the harmonious and and all those good words that Jim had spent time talking about so but that's the gist of everything that Jim just went through was proving consistency with the master plan and all
those those good things and at our class we're to learn more about all this J I just want to say Fred's use of the term longwinded he meant that in the best of way I'm I'm compelled uh by case law
okay any questions of board members of Jim's report now FR who's the 20 ft higher the resident or the warehouse I'm sorry you said one was 20 ft higher than the other uh the residents are 20 to 24t higher
than Mars Avenue Allan does that conclude your I have no testimony okay I'm going to ask you to step back into the general public seating because I'm going to call on the general public to see if they would like to testify for or against
okay is there anyone in the general public who would like to testify for or against this application if you would like to please step forward you're here you got to come all the way up come on up we're going to ask you to raise your right hand so we can
swear you in we know you're going to tell the truth the way we don't Bight comfortable could you give me your name first it's Nancy Nancy oh Nancy Earl my main Name is Earl Jack do Nancy
Earl Jack and do is my last name could you spell that for us could you come closer or sit down it's fine okay okie doie um it's j Ken T FF D is and
David Jack and Dolph do you have that Robert I thought her name was Nancy Earl my main name was Earl e a r l so you're appearing tonight as who Nancy Earl Jack there you go Jack and off yeah now we're going to have to
swear you in raise your right hand ra your right hand you swear our affirm and testimony you give will be the truthful truth up the truth up got yes thank you okay go ahead Nancy if you could pull that microphone a little closer or lean a little closer I don't know if it stretches that far it's threatening and what would you like to
tell us oh um well I I think it sounds perfectly fine um you know the storage of the equipment and whatnot and um it it's certainly I'm 54 and Maddie is 58
uh 58 North Cedar I'm 50 for North Cedar in fact um I think Joanne we bought you we bought our house from a q from Mr Beni if you remember him um but yeah I listened very closely it was extremely
interesting I was was delightfully interesting I understood you might have a question with regard to lighting are you satisfied with the answer yes gosh I mean I I you know I'm easy to please um there are just four lights on the
building and at night you know they're very bright but it's it's not across the street my neighbors have to deal with the soccer field which just comes right in and it's like the said the other day as soon as it gets dark um here come the
lights so but no it's absolutely fine it doesn't bother me I my bedroom is in the back so you know it's if my porch is lit up the animals can see the water so to drink so it's it's I have absolutely no
complaints what thank you for your test oh you're welcome John well shall I leave yes thank you thank thank you for coming up thank you oh yes very interesting the whole yes colie I should Mark this on my calendar entertainment
on Wednesday nights my goodness well not entertainment but dances later on thank you is there anyone else in the general public who would like to speak for or against
see no other takers I'm going to close the public portion of the meeting I'm going to ask you gentlemen to come on back up here if you can please we will still adjust the lighting not withstanding that okay so Cent will do before I call
on the board to see if they would like to make a motion I want to ask the board members if they have any additional comments concerns questions and if not then I'm going to ask Robert to review the variances and
see whether they're needed or not and which there are because they would be included in the motion the first motion you need is whether or not to Grant a use variance because that's a different level of vote okay requires five yes
votes the plan and variances can come after you decided to grant a use variance okay so that's you the first motion we need is whether to Grant a use variance for where you would like to m a motion in favor of the use variance is
there a motion I'll make that motion that is blue is there a second I'll second and that is mar no la la okay we have a motion and we have a second roll call please Daniel
McDonald yes Laura kii approved Jo Mortimer yes Mariam babich approved Lou Valentino approved K and approved chman approved
so now we're going to vote or make a motion on the minor site plan and Robert tell us about the well I variances that are listed I don't need VAR variances for existing conditions cuz they're already existing we need variances the
site plan will include variants for parking and outside storage okay Fred you okay with that yeah just there was a driveway width of 25 ft required 24 was
provided uh that is a new variants because the parking was not there previously it's been relocated um buffering the trash enclosure and so forth that's new you have to vote if you want to put a screen around it Landscaping par
ordinance or if the buffer that they're proposing along the front with the fence is sufficient um you could include the design waivers that our engineer is recommending okay that they comply with those right other other variances would
be outside disposal or storage of hazardous material flammable material combustible material and then the outdoor storage itself um and that is all under 20535 h of our ordinance so Fred which are those that
you're recommending I'm recommending all the variances that are on here if the okay and some that are not required at Mr Kingsbury and Robert you're going to include those that should be as a part of the motion yes okay so then we need
what I'm saying he doesn't need her the set back Varan is that's existing billing it's already there right the pre-existing ones the pre-existing ones are not needed that's why I was asking for that correct uh but Fred has indicated some that may be I'll let you guys sort that out because the motion is
going to include those that should be included versus those that should not um is there a motion I'll make that motion Lou makes the motion and is there a second second Karen makes a second second roll call
please get Daniel McDonald approve Laura kii approv Joan mimer approved Mariam babich approved Lou Valentino approved Karen R approved chairman G
approved so your application has been un unanimously approved thank you thank you very much and for your time and on a side note I would like to thank Dave and Eastern Li for all the work they're doing over there that are outside of this
application thank you your company and you are wonderful to have in our Township thank you very much and and on behalf of Eastern Lift Truck of maple shet New Jersey are 200 employees and um 4039 of whom are maple
shap residents like myself thank you the board and the township for uh giving this opportunity to have this building and uh we want to be good residents of this Township and uh make it better as well thank you no
sir I'd also like to mention that uh Easter lift donates generously to the community whether it be for sporting events for uh Main Street Maple Shade events in the past yes been very
generous thank you we try gentlemen thank you thank you thank you send me the electronic copy and Nancy thank you the only reason I survived is because I 12 years old
I think it's shorten my life okay Robert you have something that you're going to say with regard to a high profile I was called by yes profile has
withdrawn and I prepared a resolution acknowledging their withraw okay I'm recommending adopting exactly okay we're going to drawing without pred which means they
can good night thank you Nancy so Robert you want to this going to be read into the record or how is it going to work no you can just read it and vote on it it's not complicated says that they for accepting their withdrawal you got to pull that mic up or something
I can't the resolution for uh high profile they're the marijuana Place they've withdrawn oh did they yeah and I prepared a resolution
acknowledging their withdrawal with without prejudice which means they would have the right to reapply they would or they wouldn't they will have the right to reapply I don't think they will but they give a reason you never
know did they give a reason they didn't give me a reason but I think I know the reason I think it has to do with money what money that's yes okay so we have the
resolution prepare by Robert with regard to hope hope high profile and what we need now is a motion to adopt it I'll make a motion to motion made by Joanne I'll second second by bet roll call
please Frank lar approve Mike Stevens approv P re approved Daniel McDonald approv Laura kii approve Jo martim approved Mariam babich
approved Lou Valentino approved K approved chairman G approved okay Robert you have some resolutions yes I have two the first one I have is for Carrera Beauty Salon
with an apartment at 16 South Fork Landing Road the applicant was Holan Carrera uh she is looking to establish a beauty salon and the property has a
history of being occupied as a beauty salon for the second floor residents and she recited what her hours of operation would be and the parking issues uh she appears to have adequate parking
at public parking lots in the area uh her products are not classified as hazardous materials uh the building was previously used for a period of 10 years as a beauty salon so the board found that
that was an appropriate use uh with the standard conditions uh which is allowing a beauty salon with operations as she described together with a second floor apartment
and a site plan waiver is granted because there are no exterior changes or expansions proposed any eligible voters eligible voters R Mortimer Zer karach McDonald Reeves and
G motion Karen R second it second by Dan roll call please B Rees approve Daniel mcdonal approve Laura
kosi approve Joan Marty approved K approved K approved okay the second resolution that we have is for Dean Evans uh he is the owner of 33 McCrae
Lane and he applied for a certification of pre-existing use as a quadplex for that building uh he presented evidence that the tax assessment records going back to
the 80s indicate that quadplex use they presented uh newspaper advertisements from the 1940s and 1950s indicating there were multiple heads of household at 33 MC McCrae Lane
and advertising for the rental of the units uh dating back to the 1940s the uh State DCA has this on file as a multiple dwelling registration dated
2007 uh the applicant provided additional testimony that the building contained four residential units rented to tenants uh the owner has on occasion occupied one of the himself the floor plan showed four
residential areas um there is adequate aall street parking uh during the public hearing we heard from Rich Michaelson who uh mostly talked about the current condition of the property which he was
concerned with and Lindsay uh Joseph P who lives at 41 McCay Lane which is next door and she said that the owner is generally an absentee owner and the property is not wellmaintained
uh however the board was satisfied that the proofs uh were sufficient to establish a quad Plex use going back to the 1940s and that the owner was entitled to a certificate certifying the occupancy
as a 4unit dwelling predates in the enactment of any zoning that would per prohibit that so the conditions were that this resolution constitutes a certificate of approval uh the applicant will comply
with Benny building code requirements and this certificate is not to be interpreted as an approval of the condition habitability or structural in Integrity of the building and is limited to a determination of its pre-existing status as a four unit
dwelling um and that's it the El voters voters R Mortimer zurga karach McDonald Reeves and G is there a
motion I'll move that Mak the motion is there a second second is that Laura yeah laa seconds the motion roll call please B
approved Daniel McDonald approve Laura kazii approve Joan mortim approved Karen ready approve you approved Robert I am so glad that in item number two on the last page you
have put in here this certificate should not be interpreted as an approval of the condition habitability or structural Integrity of the building and is limited to a determination of it pre-existing status of use as a four unit
dwelling we have so many of these come through our board and the board has no jurisdiction with regard to the Health and Welfare of that building that's true and we need to hand off to some place in the township
where the uh inspection of that building can take place one of the problems is that because it is a building with three or more units it is State inspected not local inspected and I have some
inquiries into our Township manager with respect to that to how we can either um investigate with the state or cooperate with the state or augment the
state to make sure the property does not get into the condition that it presently was at the time of the hearing there's no answer yet but we're trying okay if I can find my
agenda for we have a zoning board 2024 annual report would you like to make any comments with regard to it I see you invested a lot of time I just want to address everyone that in the last meeting I have handed
over the annual report for year 2024 and I went through the number of applications how many denied 5% denied 60% approved 5% uh withdrawn and 30% applications are the open for year 2025
to review and deliver the decisions if any board member has a comment please you can have a chance to voice otherwise I request the board to adopt the annual report in this meeting any comments other then thank you for all
that work thank you really okay we need a motion to adopt make a motion that is made by Luke second by Miriam Miss
beich do it right you go okay uh Robert do we need a roll call on this or can we do it by acclamation I think you can do that by acclamation okay all in favor signify by saying I I those
oppos rip you convinced everybody okay we need a motion on the minutes motion to approve the minutes by Mr ghee seconded by Karen R all in favor signify by saying I I those oppos eyes
have it and now Fred we have a few minutes Enlighten us about the education that's coming up John I would like to request the board yes I would like to
request the board we ad join the meeting and then I close the recording and then we can discuss whatever the topic or any comments any board member has y That's the well first of all I'm going to ask Fred if you don't mind to talk about the education because that involves all of
us okay sure the education is going to be I believe the 29th is that correct Saturday it's two hours obviously it's most likely going to run a little longer if you wanted to it's going to be in here yes uh light
Beverages and refreshments and some some donuts and bagels what's that little bourbon I think it's March 29th March we could retire to kabus afterwards yeah we could do that we're going to go through all the
items and explain what Jim was talking about is a checklist it really is a checklist that if you had it in front of you be like oh he did that oh he just mentioned that just mentioned that and then we're going to go through a standard site plan uh this is an example
to me where I see this board like you're now you're I'm hoping you see like there's Landscaping could ask for ways to make the town better they've now cleaned up all their other sites and now the Corporate Park actually looks like the Corporate Park more so than an
industrial zone so those kinds of things but we'll go through standard site plans I know I talk about ordinances and I say in accordance with we're going to explain to you what the Township's ordinances are briefly not not in a great detail for you but there's a maintenance
ordinance there's this there's that and there's zoning and then there's design standards so design standards are waivers the ordinances are variances or the U the zoning is variances so we're just going to go through uh light a very light overview but maybe a couple
handouts so you understand what a C1 and the C2 is and the D1 2 3 4 5 six and you know I think correct me I'm wrong Robert it's a D6 is like for the height if you're more than 10% over 15
like that's so you understand when someone comes in oh we're getting a D6 oh I remember what a D6 was that's the height variance is are rare you rarely see it you well we used to see it with cell towers right now now that's all going away but but anyway I just want to
go through just so you really know what they're talking about like almost like a little education and to familiarize yourself like what do I look at I think it's important you know what I look at when I look at a site plan there's there's no Street trees our ordinance
have believe it or not our ordinances have all kinds of standards that are excellent they just were never called out before I think I just I fear that may have been what happened so you may see a n Page Letter but it's telling you what's in our ordinance so um in this
case I called it a it's a D1 variant Robert pointed out that it really may not have been necessary I forced them to do this a little bit but they wanted to do it because they wanted Clarity I called it a D1 light almost like a Bud Light type thing it's uh but they were making changes that were significant enough to
say all right you're changing the use of the property especially with the outdoor storage so that's why we told him to go with the D1 variance but we'll go through all that and question answer there's no silly question we're here to just and my planner will be here and if you want to see a traffic engineer I can
bring him in too but uh he's he's on a different level he's a PhD and he's in and out and make sure the turns work that's we'll take a p yeah we what time what time uh right now we're at 10:00 a.m. if that's okay and the date
one more time is yeah it's Saturday the 29th 10 o' is it Saturday 29th so we're not doing the traffic engineering no no traffic okay I I find it fascinating I love
listen that's okay whatever I'm whatever your listen 8 to 10 or something that's way too early I only had I only had one encounter with the traffic engineer and too many crossing of the
tees and dotting of the eyes well there there's a manual and that's what you follow right there's God stct yes and I thought I was talking to that manual so so and a lot of times however Traffic Engineers really don't apply to what
we're doing when you're building a subdivision of 700 homes and there's an intersection where it's a ABCD f f is failed okay then you require off-site Improvement so they have to make $250,000 for a traffic signal that's what they're looking at um offsite areas
that this project is impacting Eastern forklift they're not impacting anybody grou 73 with 40 little story about Avenue so should we have a traffic engineer I don't think it's necessar what we do we're going to disappoint
Beth I'll do my research project you know million square foot warehouses they have impacts on communities okay we have a story yes Ted Maris Avenue was Kaplan Industries for years and years okay sold to Eastern but the owner of
Kaplan Industries his name was Mars Kaplan but I don't think they named the street for him but I'm not sure it sounds like they might maybe sounds like it's a private Street okay uh one final thing before you mentioned
that you wanted to go you convinced them to go for a D1 well they were going for a a variance regardless that was on their application and we were going back between a D1 and a D2 expansion of non-conforming but the idea they chose
to go the most conservative the idea that they introduced tonight about abandonment that truly wasn't abandonment no no it was not it would have been difficult to prove aband see the only way that would have been abandoned is if another use came in there first and then they left again and
they left again yeah I yes he was doing the most conservative thing he could and that's the D1 that's the most difficult variance to get that's why it was reversed normally right we're trying to convince them and they're saying no no no that was their application and J
Trung our planner I I kept going back and said this what are we doing here so we came down to with D2 and we had conditions but then I spoke to their planner and he said that you know we're making enough little changes that let's just put it on the record NE no neighbors cuz we again we didn't know if
the whole neighborhood is going to show up and that's what I prepare my letter for is the whole neighborhood show up protect the board okay so we're going to follow Pip's recommendation we're going to ask for the
adjournment I need a motion made by Mr G seconded by oh before you do that uh oh I got to before are we done with everything else except that yes I see that there's a meeting scheduled for
May 7th which is the first Wednesday is there I don't know why that happened and can we do it on the second Wednesday I have a problem on the first Wednesday why is that so I check with uh
Township Clark's office and that office usually prepare the schu SCH for all the board meetings and when I asked them why you put on first Wednesday of the month May and they have no answer so we don't
know why they have placed it on the so what do we have to do to change that then we have to do we have to get it appr from for the 14th rather than the sth do we need a motion here yes yes yes okay but you the motion would be to
schedule the main meeting on the second Wednesday rather than the first Wednesday so Mike we're going to delay your second and we're going to come to another motion was there a reason it was changed does anyone know PR just said
they didn't know they didn't know they said it they said it is already approved into the council so now we cannot change if we want to change it then we have to send a request to the council Council will approve and they need to re notice
into the newspaper about the change in the meeting dates can we ask hether help us out mayor it looks likees yeah so Mr G makes the motion to move the May 7th meeting to May 14th second oh you second no I'm not allowed
to don't tell me I got to hold off to the next one you can and Dan second do Dan second a motion do I need a roll call on this yes please roll call Frank lasar approv Mike
Stevens what yes okay B approved Daniel mcdonal approve Laura kir approve Joan Mortimer approve Mariam B approv L Valentino approv K approv chman
G approved okay Mike you're going to be on here okay we're motion we're going to oh you're going to make the motion all right Mike makes the motion toer meeting and Mr Gees second it all in favor signify by saying
I thank you everyone