Yep. 6:30. >> Good evening everyone. This is the Maple Shade Township Council December 11th, 2025 meeting, the regular session agenda. Please rise for the pledge of >> allegianceled to the flag of the United States of America to the standy
and justice for all. >> Public notice of this meeting pursuant to the open public meetings act has been given by the township council in the following manner. Notifying the township clerk July 23rd, 2025. mailing notice to the Carrier Post Central Record and Burlington County Times on July 23rd, 2025 and posting notice on the official
municipal bulletin board on July 23rd, 2025. Anybody today wishing to speak from the public will be permitted to address comments to the council during public portion only. They will have five minutes. Um, please place all phones on mute to alleviate the disruption of the meeting.
Roll call. Terry. >> Mr. Kaufman. >> Miss Nunes >> here. >> Mr. Simons >> here. >> Mr. Dranik >> here. >> Mayor Tallerico >> here. Mayor, just to confirm with everyone that uh Councilman uh Kaufman did me did call us and say it wasn't able to attend. >> Okay. Thank you. Um I'm just going to
make a quick statement before we move over to the board of health meeting. Uh before I move into the facts, I want to acknowledge that there's been a lot of strong emotion and unfortunately some misinformation circul circulating around the housing ordinance. We listened, we met, we discussed, and we made changes openly and in good faith. While most
residents have engaged respectfully, a small group continues to share statements that do not reflect the truth. My priority tonight is to make sure everyone here and watching at home hears the facts directly from us. Fact one, no one is losing their home. Fact two, there are no yearly inspections.
Fact three, there are no surprise or forced inspections. Fact four, inspectors cannot pick and choose who can sell and buy a home. Fact five, this ordinance does not cost taxpayers $500,000. Fact six, the purpose is simple, safety
and fairness. Fact seven, misinformation is creating unnecessary fear. I will continue to provide clear, honest information so residents understand exactly what this ordinance does and what it does not do. Moving over to the board of health meeting. >> Thank you. We've had uh two uh reports.
One was a cat bite that was a homeowner that got bit and the other one was one just under miscellaneous. It was for the substantial compliance under the sanitary code for a restaurant in town. And that's concludes the report tonight. >> Thank you. This is the public portion. Does anybody from the public have
anything on the board of health? >> Okay. Seeing none, motion to close. >> So made. >> Second. >> Comments? All in favor? >> I. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> So made. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> Okay. This is the public portion for the consent agenda only. Members from the public wishing to speak will be permitted to address council. Anybody consent agenda? This is on the consent agenda. >> Okay. >> No. Okay. >> I'll tell you when. >> Thanks. >> You're welcome.
>> All right. >> Hi. >> Hello everyone. Only 31. >> Thank you. >> Um, a couple quick things on the resolution to appoint Matt Morsini as the interim fire official. Um, is there
a reason we need an inter fire official? >> Yes. Yes. Fire official left. >> Gab, he's no longer here with us. >> And so Matt, my understanding is he he still works full time in Mortown. >> Uh, he is working with in a shared service. Yes. In Morstown. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> And so it's effective immediately. Inter
is just until we find someone else to replace. >> Correct. >> That's correct. >> Correct. >> I just figured I >> By law we have 45 We have Yeah, we have by law we have 45 days to appoint a fire official. Okay. Okay. >> So, we've already been in contact with the state of New Jersey. They do know and spoke with Matt and he'll be coming over so that we have a fire marshal that
there's someone that can be reported to. We're still doing inspections. We have inspectors. >> Okay. >> Um but we defin we need that licensed official. >> Got it. Okay. And the other one real quick and let me just find it here. The car 217, the $52,000 that's going
towards the engineer for the pickle ball court. That's part of a grant. Am I right? >> Correct. That's correct. >> Okay. Just wanted to clarify that. Thank you. Seem to think that was almost everything that was happening. >> No worries. >> Okay. Thanks. That's it. >> Thanks for educating. >> Um, anybody else?
>> Motion to close. >> So made. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. So, we're going to approve the consent agenda. Resolution 2025-R210 through resolution number 2025-R218. Can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> I'll make a motion.
>> Second. >> Comments? >> Yes. I'll be voting no for 211 and 217. Just for a clarification on Karen's question, the engineering fees don't are not
covered in the grant is my understanding. The grants are specific to what they pay for for that and you can look it up and find out for yourself, but the total cost of that is not going to be all under the grant. Okay.
>> Anybody else? All right. Roll call. Terry. >> Miss Nunes. >> Yes. >> Mr. Simons. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dnik. >> Yes. >> Mayor Jaro. >> I'm going to abstain from R-211. Yes. To the rest. >> All right. Susan, approval of the expenditure list, please. Thank you.
Current fund bill is 5,149,119.96. Utility fund $447,654.83. Capital fund is $365,38023. Utility capital is $84,24857. Our trust fund is $544,249.80 and the grant fund is $21,84259. I do want to make mention that the
current fund at the the 5.1 million 2.7 million is to our school taxes, 2 million is to our county taxes, and another $325,000 are to insuranceances. bill. Uh those are all statutory payments obviously. So I have reviewed the bill list as submitted and recommend payment when funds are available. >> Okay. Thank you. Can I have a motion to
approve? So made a >> second. >> Comments. >> Roll call. >> Miss N. >> Yes. >> Mr. Simick. >> Yes. >> Mr. Rnik. >> Yes. >> Mayor Tyler. >> Yes. Approval of the November 2025 minutes. Can I have a motion to approve? >> I'll make the motion. >> Second.
>> Comments. >> Roll call. >> Miss N. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sinick. >> Yes. >> Mr. Radnik. >> Yes. >> Mayor Tri. >> Yes. Okay. This is the public portion. >> Barbara, 200 East Road. I want to let you know that I am the one that wrote
the petition for the repeal of the of ordinance 2025. I have four other petitioners with me involved and we are the only ones that have been collecting um signatures.
I did send each of you u my formal request for stay extension to challenge the ordinance due to the township's error in providing [snorts] the wrong version of the ordinance in the township on the township website. the
once you were done with the meeting um it was put together and the wrong version was the base of what was provided to the public and it was admitted with the December 2nd update.
However, you denied the people of this town to have the correct information in order to make a decision if they wanted it repealed or not. It was posted in the Courier Post on Wednesday, December [music] um November
26th, which was the day before Thanksgiving. [snorts] What it reads is, "Copies of the ordinance are on the township website at www.mapleshade.com and on file at the township clerk's office and are available weekdays
between 8:30 to 4." Okay. Um, with that in mind, you were every avenue for the people to get the proper information on what was on that resolution
took you back to the wrong information. Then we would you were off Saturday, I mean Thanksgiving, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. The next thing that happened was, and it was on social media and everybody's aware of that, and the line
baiter switch was also used. Somebody took offense to that. Um, and the township came out with the township acknowledges that an incorrect version of the recently adopted ordinance was inadvertently posted. That's nice
enough. But the version when you have a version and you distributed it here you do not have the the information first reading and the date you do not and the grid that shows the voting. You do not
have it when it says adopted on the version that's given to the people. And again, the grid that shows the voting. And you certainly don't have the the certification
of the um township clerk stating, "I hereby certify the foregoing to be true copy of the ordinance adopted by the Maple Shade Township Council of the meeting held on November 20th, 2025." By putting this out, you this is a
procedural error. I went to the state. I went to an attorney, an attorney. And that is why I put on you on notice that we we are extending it from December 2nd when you corrected things and we will be collecting signatures to the 22nd of
December and I will be submitting this to you. We have plenty and we have plenty of people behind us and this is what's going to happen and you can deal with it as you may. But it was a procedural error, not an inadvertently
because you had a base document. I work in the field. You had a base document and then you put all the certifications and all the details in and you put it out. Why didn't somebody proofread it? Why didn't somebody check and then it was 10 days before you corrected it? I
want those 10 days back. Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else from the public? Harry Palumbo, 43th Avenue. >> Thank you. >> I read the audience and I and I talked
to the chief among other people and first off I we were here two years ago. I I was wearing a shirt and tie back then. In fact, I was the lead I was doing every news story. I was the lead guy speak.
So, it brings us back here today. We We wanted to fight for our our fire department. We got it back and we're all very happy for that. Then we get hit with a zoning ordinance [snorts] or housing ordinance
in which every person I spoke to said makes no sense. They're [snorts] going to be enforced codes from stuff from the past or trying to enforce laws from the past concerning zoning and court permits among other
things. That's postacto laws. Article 1 section 10 clause three of the constitutions state law. You cannot go and do po postacto laws. >> Yes. Sorry. Sorry. The history teacher of me coming out doing it for 28 years.
Case in point, what I'm saying is the following. First off, somebody asked me, are you Democrat, Republican, concerning this? I'm a maple shader. This is common sense, concerning our homes, concerning our properties.
And by the way, first thing we're going to ask, who's going to fix 200 Styles Avenue? The payment out front, by the way, is off. Post office. Who's going to fix that? Payment on Main Street's off. >> Yeah. Yeah. We We won't Yeah, we have to
do. We have to do. Okay. The point's this. You drive up and down Main Street in the past couple years. We saw people promise this, promise that, promise a development. No development.
I don't know about you. I see businesses closing roads supposed to be fixed. I go by the bank on Fork Landing Road which is closed and road still rumbling. I go towards my house and I see the
uh retirement home which is closed. Businesses are coming in. They're coming out. They're leaving Main Street. Oh, we have to finally have that retirement home. How many How many stores have been abandoned up and down here? I've been
here for 10 years. Certain stores I've yet to see a business there. My wife's been going on 30 years. What's going on? And worry worry about ordinances, about permits from the past and everything else. This is I just shake my head roof
because we're not getting businesses coming in. Businesses are running out. I told I tried to open a catering business right before CO. I start seeing the zoning and everything else. I was in Mount Hobby.
Then CO hit and my wife got sick and I had to go close shop. The point of matter I'm trying to say is is this and the following. Why can't we just make this audience a referendum and a vote?
[snorts] We have a primary coming up, correct? Put it to a vote. Somebody said before social media is going to cost $25,000, whatever it may be. What's the cost for democracy? And and again, case in point, why is it
that something such as this can't be voted on? I mean, we're getting hundreds and hundreds of people. What's it what is it? 2100 people have signed signed a petition just about. [snorts]
It's a lot of people. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Anybody else from the public? >> Mike Stevens, 47 Sherby Avenue. Uh I just want to give a little history and then I want to thank a person who uh
put up with my aida my nagging and I think I made her irritable a couple times and I apologize for that. Uh it's been what three four years I think I've been after this but I want to thank you
for all your time and your interest that you put into this. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anybody else from the public? >> Monica Ingram, 43 Fifth A. Um, with this ordinance [music] that was passed and
all the back and forth and [snorts] alleged misinformation that we're being given. Um, thank you. Um, I was just can't help but think we have such a large elderly population.
What happens if one of these elders wants to sell so that they can move into a retirement home and [snorts] they get hit with so much work that needs to be done that they can't they can now not
sell their home because it would cost them too much or they get scammed by contractors. Like would their home go up for a sheriff sale if they can't meet these demands? because to me that would
be really sad. Um, and I understand you want to do it for safety, blah blah blah, but I just can't [snorts] fathom having an elderly person on a fixed income,
lose their home because of this. And I just want to make sure everybody here has thought about that and if there's any grants or anything that would be available to them to help them with what would need to be done. And the other point I would make is because I feel the
business volume in this town is much needed. Like I understand that's having a financial impact on our numbers for the uh township operating expenses. However, there's only so much the residents of
this town can absorb. So, I personally feel like you're pushing us out because we can't afford it anymore. And I think a big part of that is because of the loss of business that we're not getting in and there have been people assigned
and have jobs that are being paid to bring in business and it's just not coming. >> So, okay, that's my piece. >> Thank you. Anybody else from the public? March Terry, 200 East Lynwood Avenue. Um, this is not about the housing
ordinance. I just wanted to take a minute to address something um, Chuck had brought up about leaf collection and [music] >> microphone in just about our leaf collection. He had made a suggestion to mulch leaves. I'm all for environmentally friendly. However, I
know personally myself, I'm loaded with trees and if that leaf collection goes away, there's no way I could just mulch all my leaves. I'd have two inches of mulch in my yard. So, I don't know if that's going to be an issue going forward next year or whatever, but I just really wanted to come up and say
thank you for the public works department. I think they do a great job with the leaf collection, trying to keep the keeping the town nice and neat and [music] clean. So, thank you for public works and also thank you to the fire department for saying it. So, I missed him this year. I looked for him two nights in a row. He's over the other
side of town, but you know, I think it's really nice and good things. There are good things. I know it's really tough with this ordinance. Everybody's a lot of emotion, but you know, there's good things in the town, too. So, >> thank you all. >> Thank you. Anybody else? I think Renee
272. This question is Mr. S. You alluded to the fact that on resolution 217 would cost more than $52,000 in grants and then told us to do the work. Excuse me. I'm speaking. Excuse
me. >> I'm speaking for us to do the homework. Is that not your job as a council member to inform us? So, I would like that information from you. So, >> how much is it going to cost us and how much are the grants in full?
>> So, the grant money covers the card costs of it. The engineering fees, the inspection fees, and probably the permit fees are covered by the taxpayers's cost. >> How much? >> Well, they're requesting $39,000 tonight. That could go up. Who knows?
>> Who knows? >> More grants. Who knows? >> Well, I I answered your question. got more than 50% in grants for the cost. Correct. >> There's people >> alluded to the fact that there was more money going to be spent. I'm asking you
how much more the taxpayers are going to have to pay for this pickle ball court. >> Every project has cost overruns. So we that's an unforeseen cost. Very few projects come in under budget. So when they're doing that, just like the ball
courts down the street cost us an extra, I think 50 grand to fix the courts because they were under Now I'm speaking. Okay. All right. So there is no way knowing how much those costs are going to be until they
get into it. We had one discussion about it and it wasn't even a discussion. So, I'm voting no for it because there was people that came that have been trying to get lights for baseball for years and that hasn't happened. So, my point for
all this is I'm not against pickle ball or any sports in this town. What what I said all along for everything in this town, it all needs to stop and it needs to really seriously be evaluated and put a to-do list together and priorities. >> Statement, do your own homework. That's
your job. My point us as taxpayers don't put the statement out. You're you're attacking me over >> will actually bring in revenue. Do you know that >> revenue? We're going to rent it. >> Revenue if you if you do. Yes. It could bring in revenue. >> Now we're in the business of renting the
the fields out. >> You don't run out any of your fields in this township is what you're telling me. >> You don't you don't run out any >> They they use the field they use the fields. They use the fields for tournaments. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Okay, second question. Uh, the cannabis,
where is that going? Resolution 216. This one is >> that's the that's the change of the um the location and the extension. >> Okay. >> Yes. So, that is uh the cannabis that we had a cannabis >> business come in. They requested a
change in location. they wound up with a new location that they would like to go to and they also asked for an extension. So they're asking for one-year extension on the resolution of support. >> So So uh this location is David the old David's Bridal, the former David or it's currently David's Bridal. So that's
where they're looking there. Um as far as the other cannabis businesses that go, we do have uh Sunbank is in in the process. They're almost finished and they will be coming before council as soon as they get their approval from the state. So they are probably just about 30 days away. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else
in the public? >> Ambrose unit 239 East Main Street. Uh little street. It's a 239 East Main Street. It's a twotory residential multif family property. I received a letter from my insurance company stating that uh there's only one egress from the
second floor and I need a letter from the township either the fire marshall uh building inspector just anyone from the township saying that that one egress is enough. I've spoken to both uh fire inspectors the previous one and uh the
most recent one that you guys appointed and neither will write me a letter uh for this egress. >> Okay. And I was wondering if there's any type of remedy I can do to have this. This building was built in 1945. Like I can't make bigger windows. I can't add a second egress. Um I just want to know if
there's anything I can do. If you can get in touch with somebody in touch with me. >> I'm not aware. This is the first time I'm hearing it. So if you uh I can give you my contact information or you can leave yours with me and then I can reach out to you tomorrow. We can talk it through. Um if I need to get a hold of the construction official and then obviously we can talk to the new Okay. >> What was your name, sir? I didn't hear.
>> Kevin Ambrose. What was I I heard maint >> 239 East Main Street. >> 239 East. >> Kevin, I'm going to say that there is retrofit [clears throat] laws in the Division of Fire Safety that you may have to comply to uh when it comes to housing. I'm not really sure
about that one. Um but uh just keep it in mind. >> Okay. >> When did you ask the two to write? It might have been during this this interim period right here. So whereas one wouldn't have been able to because it wasn't affordable. >> Mr. her and uh >> right when did you add because it
depended if he had left that's why he probably didn't write it and then we didn't have a new one so >> the new one the new one spoke to the old one and said that they weren't going to do it >> okay so >> we'll work it through we'll talk through and I'll >> talk to you afterwards >> absolutely yes I'll be here >> thank you anybody else from the public
hello Lumis 132 South Fellowship Road. Uh before I address several important topics tonight, I want to be clear about the purpose of my comments. I am here to ask for accountability and to ask that we all move forward in partnership. At the
end of the day, every resident in this room, council members, staff, and residents all want the same thing to do what is best for Maple Shade and for the people who call it home. I also want to go on record and state
publicly that I have no personal issue with you, Andrew. Thanks. There's a narrative floating around on Facebook that I dislike anything that you touch, and that is not true. I don't know you well enough personally to like
or dislike you. What I can speak to is what I've observed in your leadership style. It has repeatedly fallen short of what this town deserves. When mistakes were made during your time as fire chief, no one, not one, was acknowledged. And now, for nearly a
year, you have loudly championed transparency. But transparency doesn't work without honesty, accountability, and composure. I want to acknowledge the passion and conviction you bring to the table. Passion is valuable, but unchecked
passion spilling into hostility is not leadership. And your role on council comes with responsibility, including how you speak to people. The way you often speak to professionals, your fellow council members, and even sometimes residents, is not acceptable in any workplace. Yet
here, it's become routine. The tone, the hostility, and the dismissiveness we often see displayed here by you is not reflective of good governance, nor is it reflective of how we treat one another in a healthy community. I'd also like to address something
directly. Last month, you contacted my employer stating that you were on a war path and out for blood. I am here publicly asking for clarification. Is there a concern that you have that you have not addressed with me directly? Because if the issue is the public
Google folder of the Oprah documents I compiled, these documents are public by law. Sharing public records is not an attack. It is a service to residents who deserve information presented clearly and in one place. I also want to address the hostility
directed toward our township manager. You have suggested that the manager should be required to live in town numerous times. Yet, our superintendent of schools and our chief of police do not reside in Maple Shade. And this council has never once suggested mandating residency for their positions,
nor their care for the residents in this town. More importantly, our township manager is one of the most qualified municipal professionals in this state. Her credentials and experience speak for themselves. Like that, it's the truth. You can look that up.
You may not agree with her, but her dedication to this community is evident. The animosity toward her is beyond counterproductive and distracting from the real issues that residents need this council to focus on. It is time to set personal conflicts aside and work on what is what this town
actually needs. Lastly, I want to acknowledge the climate that we're all operating in. Social media can be an incredible tool for communication, but lately it has become a source of misinformation, confusion, and unnecessary hostility. We cannot grow as a community if we
continue tearing people down simply because they see an issue differently or ask questions that make us uncomfortable. Every one of us, residents, leaders, and yes, myself, should be checking our motives and intentions. We cannot lead from our egos. We cannot make decisions out of
anger. And we cannot demand better for our town while refusing to model better ourselves. I am not here to contribute to the chaos tonight. I'm here to help redirect this town toward integrity, collaboration, and better leadership. We can move forward together, but only if we choose
to. Thank you. Thank you. >> [applause] >> Anybody else from the public? >> I'm Penny Tedesco, 528 North Koh's A. Uh, it's only maybe my third meeting and for those who have seen me on Facebook and call me names, um, that's who I am.
Hi. I was called a troll just about two hours ago because I I said something that I wanted to say to all of you. I I was one of the people most vocally against your slate when you went during the election online. I don't like speaking in public, but I don't mind
talking out online and I don't mind defending people online. Um I've seriously questioned how this would all go and I honestly have to say, Mr. Znik and Mayor Tarico, I have been impressed. You have taken the time to learn about
how a township runs. You have put t obvious a ton of time and effort into educating yourselves about how things work. You didn't think that you could come in and just push a button and fix things. And Mr. Simon said, you just think you can come in and say, I want it this way, so everybody should want it
this way. You can't push a button and change the government to make it the way you want. That's not how a democracy works. So, I just wanted to thank the two of you who are putting the time and effort into learning, into paying attention to why prior decisions were made, why
things work the way they do, and to let you know that there are many, many of us who appreciate what you're doing, and they're not necessarily on social media, just the loudest ones are on social media. Okay? >> So, thank you both for everything you're doing. Thank you, Susan. Thank you. I
know that you are immensely qualified to do the job you're doing and you know about oh I don't know 2,000 times more than I do about how to write run a town. Um but people seem to think that it's okay to put people down without even asking how do you know this information and Susan you put enough time and effort
into learning everything you know that I think we should appreciate you. So thank you all at everyone most of you. >> Thank [applause] you. You're welcome. Anybody else? Uh, you already came up, sir. You can't come up again. >> I want to apologize
>> for what? >> I wasn't going to mention your name, me being a to you, because I don't know. I just wasn't going to mention, but she put a lot of lot of time, a lot of effort in in getting this resolution done. I mean, engineers, I had cops
there, I had the inspectors there. It's been going on for three or four years, right? >> All right. Thank you. Anybody else? >> No. Okay, seeing none, I'm going to ask for a motion to close the public portion. >> So made a motion. >> Are you saying second?
>> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> I Okay, we're going to move over to the staff and professional comments. >> Mr. Simons, we'll start with you. >> So, I just want to say first uh the the uh festival is this uh Saturday. Please
come up and attend it. Um, and as for the comments made tonight, um, this is just an ongoing personal attack against me. Um, and and that's fine. Um, and people think that I don't that that
I don't pay attention, that I don't uh know what's going on up here. I do. And there's a lot of things, whether people know or not, that that to me are not being done right. And I'll give you an example. I I I personally called the
state too and spoke with them this week. Um and the state proceeded to tell me that every time that a ordinance is changed that it has to be reintroduced. So the transparency as far as I'm
concerned is not there. That's coming from the state. That's not coming from me. And there was a lot of things that when I spoke to them that they told me that personally I I don't think things are being done in a proper manner here. So I'm sure that people don't like me
and that's fine. I didn't come here to be liked. I came here to defend the residents of the town and their rights and I'm going to continue to do it. My tactics or the way I talk may be harsh and brass, but it's nothing personal to
anyone out there at all. You know, all these people that want to take take aim at me, they don't even know me. Come talk to me. You know, everybody thinks I'm I'm picking on people. My job as an elected official is to hold everyone
accountable, myself included. And I think I'm doing that. And I'm sure people won't say that that I'm not, but I've been attacked for the last four years and I'm I'm not going away. I I I take my job seriously in my oath. I'm going to stay here and
I'm going to defend the taxpayers. Everyone out in that off in the audience is my boss. And if the majority of them want something, whether I agree with it or not, my job is to represent them and and do what they want. So, you know, I
I'm sorry if I offend some people, you know, but at the end of the day for all of it, I'm just looking out for all you folks. And if you don't like me, that's fine. But I didn't come here to be liked. I came here to do a job. >> John,
>> I like [applause] the um reiterate to Andrew that that the um festival is coming up. Holiday. >> The holiday festival is coming up. Yeah. and uh wish everybody a good Christmas and um stay safe. That's all.
>> I just wanted to reach out to everybody. Wishing you all a happy, healthy new year, merry Christmas, and I wanted everyone to just think about others around you, whether it's your family, your friends, uh whatever. There are plenty of people that are suffering
right now with with loss. And it would be nice if everybody could reach out to anybody that you know that needs help in any way. You know, losing someone during the year or, you know, this is always a rough time for people, you know, holidays are tough. So, just
reach out to your fellow man. Just tell them that you care and see if there's anything that they need. So, that's all I have to say and happy, healthy, prosperous new year. Thank you, Terry. >> No, >> Susan. Brian, >> no. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, the only thing I have is the
youth wrestling fundraiser is this Friday from 7:00 to 10 at the Alden and Santa will be at the train station starting on the 16th through the 20th from 6:00 to 9:00 p.m. And I wish everybody a happy and healthy. All right, moving over to old business operations.
>> Um, just a couple things to go through. At the beginning of this week, our construction department successfully began its transition to the Gov Pilot software platform. This marks a significant modernization of our permitting and inspection processes. This upgrade replaces the prior system. It's going to streamline how applications are submitted, reviewed,
and tracked internally. During the roll out, our staff participated in hands-on training and data migration sessions. It's probably been going on for about the last four or five months. Um, so it has been an all hands-on all allin. Um, we wanted to make sure that there was a
smooth changeover with minimal dis uh disruption to our residents or contractors. As with any new system, there will be short periods where processing times are slower while our staff acclimates and the remaining components are fully configured. However, once fully implemented, our gov pilot program will allow for greater efficiency, improved communication with
our applicants, enhanced recordkeeping, more user-friendly online experience for our homeowners, businesses, and professionals. Uh the construction department is already seeing the benefits just in the last couple days out in the field. Our inspectors are loving it. They're able to do everything right there. Our permits are getting in
right away. any sort of if there's a violation on the UCCC permits or if it's passed or whatever, it's basically it's instantaneous. It goes right in the system, it comes back and you can have an answer as opposed to having to wait to get that answer. Um, and then we're also looking we'll be implementing an additional feature a couple additional
features uh in the next couple weeks throughout the throughout the municipality. Council, you've been asked to consider a request from a recent land use applicant to wave the required safety and stabilization guarantee in the amount of $5,000. As I shared with you last week, this guarantee is st typically collected
to ensure that any construction or site related work is performed safely and that it is properly worked in a stable compliant condition uh through the project. I will need some sort of direction and guidance so that I can inform the applicant of your decision. So I did send that letter to everybody last at the end of last week. Um the
applicant's looking to have that $5,000 waved. Uh that was proposed the proposed work and it was a requirement based on the scope of that work that they were doing. our land use engineer had suggested that you may want to wave it. >> Um I I I don't know why our engineer
would suggest that and I don't think we should wave it. >> I don't think we need to give some direction. Unfortunately, I can't do that and Kyle can't do that either. So, it needs to come directly from council >> if we're going to wave a fee. >> I don't. >> Okay. So, now Okay. >> Andrew.
>> Uh also for consideration is uh we need to discuss is a change in the reorganization time on January 5th. A couple of you had reached out to me and just asked if it was possible to do reorg. >> Yes. >> So, is everybody's okay with that? >> 6:30. >> I know you had said 6:30. You were 6:30.
You two are okay with 6:30. >> Andrew, you good? >> You good? >> 630. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um, last week the township completed the purchase of a parcel of land needed to support the King's Highway plant project. This acquisition represents a key milestone
in advancing long-term infrastructure planning and ensuring that the township has necessary space to accommodate future improvements and operational needs. Securing this property allows us to move forward with design, permitting, and project coordination with greater certainty and positions the township to make strategic investments that are going to enhance our service delivery
and system reliability. It was what a year, Dennis, a good solid year, year and a half between negotiations and getting to that table. So, um, yeah, that was an exciting time for us last week. Uh, work continues at the Heritage on Main construction project, including the sanitary sewer line replacement in
front of the building. During the sanitary replacement over the last week or so, uh, crews encountered an unforeseen conflict with existing utilities, which required an immediate on-site adjustment, an additional, let me put this down a bit, um, an additional replacement that needed to be
done by township uh, contractors. As a result, operations have been readjusted a bit. Um, however, it's imperative that this section of pipe bursting be completed without delay. So, that's why we've changed things as far as the work working times. The roadway and sidewalks are currently open. Bypass pumping
systems are active. The police are on site for traffic control. Anybody that's driven through there, let's face it, it's a mess. There's no doubt it's been a mess. Um, but RPM did request permission that if they needed to because they had to get this work done, some of this emergency work had to be done. some of the work that was already
planned, they're going to have to um on the side of the liquor store, there needs to be they're they have to reace that. Um so they did ask if it was possible for some work time to be done on Sunday if they needed it. We granted that 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. is what it
would be. Um but it's only going to be if needed and they're supposed to let me know by tomorrow. So if there is something just so >> And what is the time frame to be done all that? Was it the >> They need to be done by the end of the year. >> Oh, it is the end of the year. >> The end of the year is where their time frame is. They're close. They're close. Um, last Friday evening, the recreation department hosted a very successful
photos with Santa event, bringing families together for a fun and festival festive holiday experience. Children and adults alike had the opportunity to visit with Santa, share their wish list, posed for photos. Just want to give a shout out to Lauren, our recreation director. She coordinated. She decorated that entire room. She scheduled
everything. Um, it was really just a great evening. The positive turn turnout and the feedback that we've gotten just reinforced the value of [clears throat] these types of community events. So, thanks to Lauren. Also, I want to congratulate Pat Lions on successfully passing the state of New Jersey certified public works manager exam.
This is a significant professional commitment um and accomplishment and it reflects Pat's dedication uh and to the excellence here in public service. The CPWM certification, which many people may not know, is just more than a credential. It's a state requirement that was enacted in 1997 mandating that
all municipalities in New Jersey have a certified public works manager responsible to oversee. I will say that um in the past the township has not had that amongst their um their c their directors. Um the one obviously that was
here uh Dave prior to he did have it. Um so but this law was established to ensure every municipality benefits from the trained knowledgeable and professionals who can effectively manage our infrastructure budgeting. So uh kudos to Pat. He did a great job. That was a a year and a half long um class
session that he had to go to and he passed with flying colors on the first shot. So, we're really proud of him. And then just a few reminders about the holidays and our municipal schedule. The municipal building is closed Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and then New Year's Day. Um, and obviously during that time, too. A lot of staff takes off
that time, you know, that time of year. It's it's a quieter time up here. So, if any resident does need to come up, we just suggest just give a call first, make sure that they're there so that they don't take the trip. And I just wanted to wish everyone a merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy new year. It's been quite a year and um we're looking forward to 2026.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> You're up. >> All right. Thank you, mayor. >> You're welcome. >> Uh, first I want to talk about Project Staint Nick and a recent partnership with OP Gina Capade and our community affairs officer, Diego Alvarez. Five families were adopted and our team will
be supplying Christmas gifts to those selected families in an effort to brighten up the holiday season. Deeply appreciate the efforts of LPH to make this happen and are thankful for their generosity during this time. In addition, PBA Local 267 and the Maple Shade Police Department once again
undertake Project Santa uh where we've adopted three families and will be supplying full Christmas gifts for them this holiday season. Project Santa has been in existence for the length of my 30-year career and shows no signs of slowing down. I want to say thank you to PBA Local 267 for their efforts in this
matter. Uh an update on the narrow murder investigation. [snorts] uh because of the efforts of our agency and the Burlington County Prosecutor's Office with our stand-up press conference and the media engagement that followed along with the supportive efforts of several elected officials,
namely Governor Murphy, who really stepped out in front of this. Uh Nazir Hamid was finally placed on the FBI's most wanted list in conjunction with the offering of $50,000 award [snorts] leading to his arrest and conviction. [clears throat] In addition, Governor Murphy reached out
to the Indian ambassador Vinme Quattra uh to work with our team to have the Indian government arrest Hamid and surrender him to stand trial here in the United States of America. Lastly, the State Department through the American Embassy in India, requested the Indian
government to arrest Azir Hamid and turn him over to United States for trial. All these efforts are much appreciated and I'm hopeful this positive pressure will produce results. Shisa and Nish can finally get the justice that they deserve. Uh there's been a rash of autothefts in
New Jersey where youthful offenders are using various pieces of technology to clone the signal of key fobs and allow them to both enter and steal vehicles. This technology can be purchased online with relative ease and if the fob is in the receiving distance of this
technology, it can grab the signal out of the air and immediately program that into the technology to get into your vehicle and start the vehicle. This is what we've been seeing locally in our area going on. Uh there are some specific products that people can buy
[snorts] online um to prevent this from happening. It's called a Faraday bag or Faraday cage. It's basically just a product that you can buy and get them on any of the majing online uh shopping platforms, but you put your fob in there. It prevents any signals from going in or coming out. Um I highly
recommend people consider doing that. If not, keep your fobs away from the main points of access in your house. A lot of people come in and throw the key fob right by the front door. That's too close. People can try to grab that signal. So, we're recommending that everybody either put it in an area where
it's secured or put in a Faraday bag. >> Could you spell that with that? >> Faraday. Yeah. F A R A D A Y. Faraday. So, just to put it in in a practical um example for everybody, if we go on a case and we see somebody somebody's
phone, it immediately goes into one of these Faraday bags, it stops the signal from going out and coming in. And um you know, back in the day, we had an individual we had picked up his uh tablet and as soon as the tablet hit the Wi-Fi, it was automatically trying to
delete files off the computer. So, you learn pretty quickly, put it all in a Faraday bag. There's certain other things that we do put in the phone and certain modes and things of that nature, but the Faraday bag or Faraday page is the way to go. Uh [snorts] lastly, and hot off the presses, I know I've got a couple of
people already talking to me about this, but this morning [music] in the 400 block of North Fork Lane Road, the Maple State Police Department, the DEA, and the New Jersey State Police teams unit executed executed a legal process at a residence there. seized was a quantity of narcotics to include methamphetamine
and pills as well as a quantity of drug paraphernalia. A gun was also seized in the process. Four adults were charged in relation to this activity and the investigation in this matter continues. I want to commend our K9 officer Anthony Marshall and Detective Justin Jericho
for their outstanding work on this case. Uh and that is my report. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Chief. Uh >> we're going to move over to the engineers report. We're going to start with Alexis. Hello, Alex from Alimo Group. Um, we have a few updates. I'm reading off the December report. It's not too different
from the November report, so if there's anything you're confused about, just let me know. Um, for the storm water discharge general permit authorization renewal, um, we are in progress for the the watershed inventory report that's
due at the end of the year. Um, so we're going to be working with Reington and Bernick on their um their GIS mapping that they did previously to complete all the analysis and calculations required for the report. So I'll work with Susan on getting any um
on the drafts over if you need to review anything for the Buttonwood Park drainage improvements. We provided Remington and Vernick with the uh preliminary design that they needed to submit their green acres application for the Buttonwood Park
project. And we are currently in progress for the drainage analysis to make sure that our design is confirmed and there aren't going to be any future flooding issues in that area, especially for the residents in the park. for the Thomas AB drainage. I met with Pat Lions
and our Route 24 hours um sub subcontractor that's going to be completing the Thomas Avenue drainage inspection and cleaning. Uh they're actually going to be starting next week. So, I'm going to be coordinating with Pat and the police department for all of
the road closure requirements and any additional reinforcements they need to maintain access for residents as well as Route 24. cuz I know Thomas has is right next to the the high school. So, they're going to probably be limiting their working hours from 8:00 a.m. to 2:00
p.m. Um, just so that rush hour from the morning and afternoon of the school does not get affected. >> Okay. >> That work should take around 2 to 3 days to complete. >> Do [music] we not I'm sorry. Do we notify residents for that or do we how do we >> We'll talk to the contractor about putting something out.
>> We usually need what 48 hours notice. Okay. >> Um the hallway stop, it's been in place for a while. Um over on was it uh >> on High Street in Fernwood or is it Maple?
>> It's Maple. Um and I last time I drove by, they still had the the V variable signs. >> They've been taken down. >> Okay. They did get the temporary. [laughter] >> Um so I'm not I haven't talked to Pat.
I'm not sure if the uh warning signs have been installed yet. >> They're ordered. So, >> yes, they are ordered. I believe >> I did. They will be in the next is where we are. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um >> and the lights do work. >> Yes, they were flashing last time I
drove by. So, >> is random. >> Yes. >> Sometimes they're not working. >> Okay. I think it's the sun maybe. >> Thank you. And I didn't say anything, so it doesn't matter. Mayor, [laughter] I said the same thing to the manager that I think this could be a setting issue >> and um but I came through at like 5:50 in the morning on the way in and they
were flashing. >> On Friday night I drove by, they weren't. Okay. >> So, it's I think it's said I was losing it, but I was I knew I did not see them lit, but they were lit this morning. So, >> I'm glad that you confirmed that. No, we didn't have that conversation ahead of time. >> Okay.
um the Broadway North Fork Landing survey was complete and we're going to we're in progress of the design for that. So, we should have something in the month of January for 90% review for the township to review and make any comments on before we finalize North
Kav. Um everything is in progress for 90% submittal uh sometime by the end of the month. And I did meet with Pat yesterday as well just to confirm which bid items are going to be alternatives or alternatives versus the base bid just
to confirm. So we're going to revise a little bit and then that'll be part of the 90% submitt to you. Um the Maple Heightway improvements that was part of the approved resolutions. So as soon as we get the finalization [snorts] of that we'll have our survey team sent out and
finish that survey up. Then we have the Fernwood and Farnsworth. We did receive one quote on the in the televising inspection of those roads for the storm sewer. Um, and we're just waiting on Route 24 to give
us a second quote so that you guys have two options to choose from. Uh, and then we just met while we were doing our site visit for Thomas. We I took them over to the other two roads. So, they should be getting us that hopefully by next week. So, we'll be able to decide and and
proceed with those so that we can actually get a proposal in for doing that work for those two roads. Um, and then Glendel Av uh we just got confirmation that we're not going to be doing the inspection. So, I will talk to you Susan about if we want to just proceed right with the proposal or how
we want to go with that. So, um and then we talked a little bit about potential solar canopy. Um, I did not find any grants in my initial research, but if there's a specific one you were thinking about, um, I can look into it. But the,
uh, New Jersey Green Bank might be a really good option. They they fund renewable energy projects a lot. I'm not sure if we would meet the minimum $1 million requirement that they have for projects, but I can find other avenues for some grant options.
>> What's this? with state. >> So, so this so that was part of it. So, the solar canopy project was something that we started looking at with um the new administration coming into the state. There are going to be a lot of new initiatives that are coming on. There's going to be a lot of tax credits for uh municipalities, local
governments, nonprofits. Um so, the idea was when I had asked um Alexis to look over at our parking lot at the acne lot to do a solar canopy over there. Again, it would be able to we'd be able to sell, you know, some energy back to those businesses there. it would provide us some relief. Um, so and there are
there is some from what I found there are a couple grants [cough] already out there and what they're supposed to come by with the new administration. So that's why I'd ask them to look into that. >> Yeah. So if especially if things are going to start showing up in the new year once the new um government is coming into office then it'll be a lot
easier to find that and then start applying immediately. So >> So it just might be something that we want to look at something different to put over there. >> I want to know if the sustainable grant that would fall under that piece. >> There is some sustainable. >> Yeah, that's in there. The one question I do have for you, Alexis, of the Cutler Avenue. >> Um, I know like we're calling it the
Buttonwood to kind of coinc, but that's also going to address some of the flooding that we're having with those properties there. >> Correct. Because all the backyards touch Buttonwood Park. So, I'm calling it the Buttonwood A because all the work is on Buttonwood A, but it's relieving all of
the flooding issues on at those three or four Cutler properties. >> Okay. That's all I want to make. >> Yeah, I know it did originally start as a Cutler A project. So, thank you. >> That's all I have. Thank you very much, >> Dennis. You're up. >> Good. Good evening.
>> That one's better. You got to be better with the smaller one. It'll it'll >> I'll just lean over. >> Okay. [laughter] So, the the one thing I wanted to talk about this evening, uh I pretty much updated you the last meeting all the sewer projects. Uh we are you know tonight you approve that all those
projects are being funded and paid for completely by uh uh NJP and obviously we can't start on until they start actually uh sending the money but they're giving up the $2 million worth of uh a grant money to the the township for those
projects. Uh we're under a USA EPA um administrative order to address extraneous flows in the town. So we sort of go about it about it systematically. We look at areas where the roads are uh possibly needing improvements and then
we uh go in and evaluate the sewer um in those sections. So uh this year we did a televising of the Windsor at Cambridge Circle Katherine Court Avon Place and Andrea Place. It's all down in a section that flows into the Windsor pump station
and it's old uh terracotta pipe. Uh we found a lot of separated joints. Uh we had problems getting through certain areas because of obstructions. So we don't have 100% uh televising of the area. Uh but you're dealing with 4,000 linear feet of a a pipe. Uh if we can
slip line portions of it, which we probably can do, uh 70 to 75% of it slip lining, you're getting away with $125 a linear foot to 150 versus uh excavating and and and replacing the
pipe. Now, it's you get a better job with removing replacement, but you're looking more in the $500 to $600 a linear foot for that range. So, even if we're going to do the slip lining, there's probably about eight or 10 places where we have to go in do spot
repairs. Uh there's other major sags or there's obstructions that you're going to have to go in there and actually replace 10 to 20 foot sections before you can go in there and uh uh put a liner in on those uh existing pipes. So, I'll work with Susan and and the future
capital come up with a what we need to do for that. But, uh, basically, if we can get away with the 70% the 75% lining and the rest, you're probably looking like $1.1 million of construction costs for that. So, it may be something you
want to phase over time, but this is a section there. We would li eliminate a lot of extraneous flows. We also should probably talk about the force man. the force man from the pump station is a speesa cement pipe uh until you get down to Marion Lane and that's where it
switches and goes up and it turns to cast iron. Uh pipe's kind of shallow. Uh PSNG did put something through the pipe a number of years ago. So we did have emergency repair on that force man. So we know it's ACP pipe in Windsor. Uh but
uh so these are some of the projects we're planning and looking at along term to address some of the extraneous flow needs. the uh sewer means are they going to be >> big enough to to uh handle the supply if
they're lined? >> Um >> what's the lining do as far as reduction in the size? >> So you're you're probably you're probably looking at about 3/8 inch liner in there for that pipe. you
reduce uh some of your uh your capacity slightly but uh you also reduce the coefficient of friction >> your frictional loss. So your actual flow value is pretty much uh equal in that in that case and um the lines there
are sized adequate if we if we eliminate the strous flows that are going in through you know when ground water's getting through the joints and so forth uh the existing pipes uh with the liner would be adequate hydraulically. What size are they? >> They're 8 inch mains. >> Eight. All right. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Moving over to site plan. Andrew, there wasn't a meeting, right? I didn't see an agenda. So, >> there was a meeting. Um, there was three walk-ins. one just uh to get prepped to
go to uh zoning for uh a new home and the other two were just uhformational ones about uh proposed additions on houses um within all suites. >> Okay. Do we do meetings without agendas
for walkins? Is that something that >> for walkins? >> Okay. All right. Uh moving over to I guess council meeting dates. >> So at the last meeting we had discussed um what we wanted to do for 2026. Mayor
had given us some dates. Looking at January we would do two dates in January. The 5th and the 22nd um the 5th being reorg. February would be two meetings a month uh for that month 12th and the 26th. March would also be two meetings the 5th and the 19th. Then
April, [music] May, June, July, and August, we're looking at one uh those months. And then September would be two. October would be one, November would be one, and then December would be one. Obviously, you could always add. So, um if that is still something that council
is good with and moving forward with that, like I said, we will add back the two meetings on uh in some of those months. And then the slower months, we will still do one with the ability to do um two, we got to add another meeting if we had to. Okay. >> All right. >> So, I just want to make sure everybody
>> good. I'm fine. >> Okay. >> All right. Um 2026 RFPs, >> Terry. >> Yep. It's just that you've all been given you should all have at least in your mailboxes this evening. I know that Terry had sent everything out to us as
well. You will need to review those um and then discuss how you are going to move forward. But those are the results. Uh please look through them. If you'd like to see the RFPs, please come up. They are in Terry's office. You're welcome to see them >> all over my office.
>> Okay. >> So, that is something that council will need to do. Uh selfishly, Terry and I are going to ask that whatever is being done, whatever, you know, whatever, however you're going to move forward, that we know by the week before reorg. >> Okay. >> So, that that can be done so that agenda can be put together and the
professionals can be called. >> Okay. >> One thing I did too, mayor, and I apologize, I neglected to announce was just another activity, New Year's Eve up here. Um, again, we that was our first year. Last year we did it. It was a great event, but New Year's Eve will happen up here where the little guys can
come up and celebrate uh, you know, the countdown, the ball countdown. So, don't forget about that. You can get tickets uh, in the business and economic development. >> What time is that, Susan? >> 11 a.m. I believe it start. >> Oh, 10:30 to 1. Sorry, I was wrong.
>> 10:30 to 1. There's food, activities, balloon drop, all that fun stuff. So, that's all I have. Okay. Um, I don't see anything under new business. >> I have some things. >> Okay. >> Uh, first of all, I want to just, uh,
say thank you to, uh, the police department, um, and Detective Bures for all the hard work they've been doing. Um, I know they're busy and, uh, I apologize, Chief, last time when you were speaking about the, uh, the, uh,
murder case. um I dropped the ball with everything else going on. So, apologize to the guys for me. [clears throat] Uh secondly, there's just some things that I'm going to bring up to put on the record um in response to some of the people
that are out here tonight. I'm I'm not picking on anybody. Uh the township is supposed to be mitigating liability all the time, not leaving it stay out there. Um, so, uh, in regards to that, um, on my street
alone, um, there's multiple stumps that the trees had been cut down by the township that have been sitting there for months on end. Um, I feel that that's an issue. If somebody trips on them or falls on them, we own it because we cut them down.
Um the uh the second thing is um it's been brought to my attention with in the road department um that repairs are being done on the uh big trucks. Um there's a concern there for me. Uh,
these trucks have to be repaired by certified mechanics. And I don't believe this time we have a certified mechanic in the road department to be fixing those trucks. But the problem is is that when he fixes them, the some of the
people that are there are worried about driving them. It's a safety issue for our employees. and god forbid something happens to that truck and it kills either an employee or worse a civilian. Um it to me something's got to change with
that. Um and then as far as the fire department command cars um there was a statement made in the August meeting about equipment that was being bought that didn't have anything to do with that. There is uh there's mechanisms uh
put in place for specialty vehicles to be bought. Um we haven't had a command car replaced in this town for over 10 years. It's on its last leg. It's undependable. It's going to wind up costing us money
to keep having it repaired. Um and the money has been set aside in the capital outlay money for these two vehicles to be bought. They've also been put into a program to rotate down so that we get every penny's worth of our money in
purchasing these trucks. That command vehicle is a vital piece of equipment for this town. It could be the matter of life and death for a resident of this town. And it would be like giving uh taking the police cars away from them
and get expecting them to uh figure out another way use a you know a crash vehicle or something to get to a call. It is the most critical piece of equipment for the fire department both of them. And I'm not going to be on the
hook for these things. I'm making a public statement and putting it on record that if something happens, it's not going to be affecting me. If there's lawsuits that incurred, I'm not going to be a part of it. It needs to be addressed. It needs to be taken care of
and it needs to be finalized. It's a safety issue across the board for everyone. And then the last thing that I have is I noticed that the there was only one truck on the road for Santa this year. So, I inquired why and it was
brought to my attention that the other truck is gone. Um, I'm requesting all the all the records for all the trucks in the fire department for the last 3 years. When it comes to maintenance of the vehicles, any repairs, any money
spent on those trucks, I would like to say it. Um the the the fire trucks themselves are very important pieces of equipment and they've always been maintained to a high standard. I know it for a fact cuz I did
it. And if they've been let go, that's counterproductive to the service of the people in this town. It's not fair to the people that are riding on them because if something fails in them, then we're on the hook for that. And again, somebody could be killed or a civilian
could be killed. Um, so I'm requesting all those records to be sent to me so that I can look at them so I can understand what's been going on with the fleet. >> I I believe that the fire department does have that cuz I had to request some of them from Chief Simon Sack myself. Um, but I will go through the records
here and uh and see what we have. And >> I I I want to say them. I I I would like to say them, please. >> Fire department keeps all the service records. We get the invoices. I'll take the invoices. I can read the invoices and know what they are. There should be service records on the trucks. Those
trucks are supposed to be maintained and PM every year under the NFPA. >> And the service records stay at the fire department, but I will reach out and I will ask for those copies. >> Well, I I don't need those service records. I need the invoices of the work that was done on them. The service
records are not going to tell me what was done to them. The invoices will. The invoices are going to be telling me what I need to know looking at them. >> I'll get the in it's not a problem. I can get the invoices for the last three years. That's not a problem. >> And and just for the record, you know,
everyone thinks that I'm picking on Susan. I'm not. >> Those No, those trucks, those equipment, they're they're thousands and thousands of pounds. and and it it's it's my responsibility to make sure that
mitigation is done for liability on on the township side. If if things aren't being done to to do that, then it's my job to make it a public record so that can get addressed. So all those people
>> hold on. Excuse us. >> He's talking. I want to see the last three records cuz my son is in charge of that. And and just for the record, so you want to start this. The PM that was just done because he knows what he's doing. Hasn't been done on the truck for
2 and 1/2 years. The original filter when independent was last in charge of it was signed and dated by the same technician that was just doing it. >> Which truck are you referring to? 12. So if that's >> Which truck are you referring to, 12 or 11? >> 13. >> 13. Okay,
>> so 13 we 13 I was just made aware that it needed to be done. 13 had work that was done last year in 2024. Now it might not have been the service and I spoke at length with Andrew about this. So that's in there now. Um I will get you all the
invoices. That's not a problem. Um >> the steering on that truck is shot because there was no greasing done in its normal PM. And I will and and I understand it Andrew did share that with me, but the question that I had and again I don't want to get into this because Andrew is not here to defend
himself or even to say anything, but the question was asked as to if that was if the steering was something though because I believe it was the steering, it was the brakes, it was also um a hose that had gone. I think it was the um >> Yes, >> the I and I don't know about the ho, not the hose, but whatever's in the
>> Airline. Thank you. That's it. um if that was something if the steering was going and the brakes were going and it's something that we have regularly that somebody looks at to see because the service request that came through for 1013 said that the um the brakes were basically they were gone is what they
were and then so my question was and again this is something I need to take up with the chief is just if they were gone why um why didn't we know beforehand like if the steering just went or like the tire >> so the reason I'm requesting these uh
invoices ES is because those trucks are supposed to be PM every year. It is an NFPA standard. And if they were PM every year, if Dan Kerr did it, then something's wrong and we either paid for something that we didn't get and we need
to get our money back or he didn't do it and neglected his job. So if if the PM wasn't done, that's problematic because the failure of those parts would have been picked up a year ago, two years ago, and we wouldn't had personnel
riding on it with no brakes on the back and shot ones on the front. >> Well, that's why I asked you about 11 or 12 because I know I saw the email from 13 of all the repairs. Did Andrew respond to all your questions from December 2nd? Okay. >> So, um, so I'll get you those invoices. That's not a problem. And then why you I
mean if mayor if you don't mind about the command trucks if it's something that we can tr the command trucks is what's being asked to be replaced are two command trucks and I know I had sent this to council as well right >> looking for two F350s they did um quote those out with the Houston Galveston Act
total price came out I think to like $330,000 last I had spoken with um Chief Simon said was listen I can get behind one and if that's something that we want to move forward with then you know we could do one F3 350 for now. Um, we did have the repairs done to the command truck. As
far as I know, it's been on the road. I know that they used it to, I guess, to escort Santa this, you know, the last couple of weeks, but that would be something if council is willing to go forward with it. Yes. As Andrew, as Councilman Simon Sex said, money is there. If you're welcome, I had asked Chief Simon SEC for the reasoning behind
an F350. I had asked about a 250, but I'm not the chief. And that's what we were I thought that's where we stopped because we were waiting for Andrew to get back to us with the 250 versus 350 unless I missed an email. >> Was that so so the trucks were speced out to roll down. So what that means is
that they're instead of a 10ear life, it's a 20 or 15 when they're done being the command cars. They get turned into utility vehicles so we don't have to buy utility vehicles later. So that's part of the reason why the trucks were going to be heavier trucks. >> And again, that was something that I had
shared with every which is fine. So the concern was do we want to purchase two F350s or do we want to do one F350 now and maybe one F350 next year? That's the question is really what >> I think our question was why are we doing 350s and not 250s and that was what we were okay with for that answer.
>> After I had the after I had an opportunity to sit down with Chief Simon and fully ask him we spent about an hour in my office. He explained to me I'm personally okay with the F with one F moving forward with one F350. >> Are you saying 330,000 for two or for one? It was two without fits. Yes.
>> So, the one comes I think the one is like it winds up being like $157,000. And >> it is something that they need. It's not something but I just don't know if we need two right now. >> Let's start with one and and see. >> For the record, that's a good price out
of the Houston Galf. They're specialized trucks. >> I'm very familiar with the with >> Joe Columbo himself said that that's the way to go. >> Yeah. I personally, again, I'm not a big fan of the Houston Galve Act, but it's useful. It's something you can get all under there. I But and it's used by most
fire departments, but again, if council is okay with the one, then we can authorize that one if you're okay. It's starting there. >> Okay. I'm okay with one. >> I guess I'm fine with one, but >> So, we'll do a resolution for it, but at least I can give the go-ahhead to Chief Simon to to move forward to order it. It
will take a little bit of time to get it. The res going to say that price. >> It's the guaranteed cheapest price. >> Good. >> Do you know how much a new fire truck cost? >> That's I You're talking.
>> Okay, we'll move on. Yep. Begin. >> Um, >> all right. So, we are we're good with one. >> Anybody else have anything under new business? >> On team two votes. Everybody is everybody saying yes. Oh, I'm saying. Okay. So I assume I assume Andrew is good. You
brought it up. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Do you need You don't need a motion on We don't We can authorize that. It's a contract. It's a state contract, but we'll make it by resolution. Um >> Susan, I'd like you to talk to the road department personnel and get that straightened out. It's a
serious thing to me. >> So I I know what the repairs were done on that. I speak to Pat Pat Dailyaly. I do know what repairs that they're speaking of. Um most of our trucks do go out for service. All right. Because if we have an accident with that truck, it's a government truck. The DOT is
coming in here. >> I am fully aware. And just so you know, too, until I got here, our trucks were never inspected, nor were they um taken through uh >> I can't speak for them. I know the fire department did it. >> Exactly. So again, there are things that
Yes, I will agree with you. There are things that have not gotten done and we are working towards them. But I am very familiar and I am very aware of those issues that are down there on the trucks and they were sent out. So there are again we're we're working it. I think that let me do my job.
>> Anything else under new business? >> Nothing. I have nothing. >> All right. And I don't think we need close now. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. So can I have uh a motion to adjurnn until the township council reorg meeting for January 5th at 6:30? >> Make that motion.
>> Second. All in favor? I.