--------- Okay, I'll call us to order at 12:00 p.m. Uh, we have no attendees, so no public comment. So, we can jump right into our
discussion items, which starts with I have building the email list first on here. >> Yep. >> Um, Stephen got us all set up on S'more, it looks like, and I've been exploring on there. >> Um, there's obviously like demand we've learned.
>> Yeah. >> This list, which is great. Um, I'll also add I was in a facilities subcommittee meeting this morning and we we did a survey
um and just seeing people's feedback was incredibly helpful. you know, uh, people just have really good ideas and they, you know, they know what they want and we I feel like we often act like we know
what they want and sometimes we're right and sometimes we're not. >> Um, so I'm excited to build this email list because I think it will enable us to do more of that. >> Agree. So anyway, to build the list, it
appears that we need to embed a form on a web page. >> I think it's pretty straightforward. Yeah, like you can do it right through some I think there's two ways we could do it. We could probably do it right through some more embedding that link >> y >> andor like a Google form. I mean I like
the some more because it people can kind of manage them manage it themselves opting in and out. >> Yeah. >> Um but it it does seem pretty straightforward with some I was excited about. >> And I think just asking Stephen to add a section to the website that has this
form will be good. >> That's a good idea >> because then we can direct people there, you know, no, no matter sort of where they are, you know, we can >> send people there, you know, if we put it in the newspaper. >> Um, >> yeah, that's a good idea.
>> So, I think let's do that. And I was thinking that as part of that um you know starting to build a like a template for the newsletter um particularly and include that that
link to opt in and opt out >> um so that if people are being forwarded this email they can join pretty easily. >> So I'm gonna ask Stephen to do that. >> That sounds great. Um Reese Dolberg also reached out to me.
She is um the Village School PTO and she offered to distribute >> that link to the other PTO's. >> Oh, and to send it out. So, so once we have that, maybe in in conjunction with
with our next newsletter, >> yeah, >> I'll ask Reese to to send that out on the on the um to the other PTO's and in the Village School PTO >> emails. So, that's a start. >> That sounds great. Yeah, that's awesome.
>> So, that's kind of it for building email lists. I think it's pretty straightforward. It's just, you know, we need to get going. I think um it might be good to put something in the paper. See if Lee or the Weekly News would would include
>> we could do it I think as part of our next newsletter to like a section around that. >> Yeah. So why don't we just go right into the next to the newsletter section because these are >> I put together like a list of things on
the newsletter section if I can my screen that maybe we can just step through. Um, so basically I thought we could quickly talk about the November newsletter and like who it went to and how many people
opened it, just like metrics and reach on that front and then talk a little bit about the December newsletter and kind of what we want the process to be moving forward and maybe talk about like highlevel topics. We'll probably then have to have another meeting to like
review once we put the newsletter together, make sure we're all kind of aligned before it goes out. But um the November newsletter, we it was sent out to the parents of around 200 students and 700 staff members. We had over,300
views. Um and as you know, we got like a a lot of inbound nice messages from folks. And so I think it was it reached a lot of people for kind of the first one and it was wellreceived. I've had Stephen post the newsletter, the link to the newsletter on the um school
committee website under the newsletter section so we can also reference back to that and start to basically build just a list of all the um newsletters that go out. I was hoping we could talk about some sort of just like fixed cadence of sending these out or a target at least
like the 15th so that we can then kind of coordinate with Lee or others um for kind of like what to expect when and like getting it into the papers and whatnot. Obviously like the 15th lands on a weekend or like a holiday or
something, we could um adjust. But what are your thoughts on that as kind of a general goal? That was that was actually the date I had in mind as well. At least for this month. I was like second Friday or something, you know, like >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I think it it's nice to have it sort of
in between our business meetings because >> so we have stuff to update on. >> Yeah. We have stuff to update on and we can, you know, and we can encourage people to join sort of the second meeting of the month. >> Yeah. >> You know, y
>> um so I think that's great. It gives us time that gives us time to to include those updates and to get you know I think most of the subcommittees meet before the middle of the month so we can include
>> okay we can shoot for that. Um we talked already about kind of inviting people for subscribing. We've agreed that we'll kind of try to do it all through some more, not the kind of Google doc. But in terms of like the process, I don't know.
What do you think about I I would love us to talk about topics we want to put in it and then I'm happy to draft it and bring it back to the subcommittee for kind of final review and sign off and then I don't know if we need John's review and approval. Um but then
basically the admin team publishes it to parents and staff. We can add in the emails from the I think we can create the list in the s'more account and add in emails from that. And then I confirmed um with John and Julia that we can actually add in high school students to the distribution as well. So it's not
just going to parents to kind of keep um those folks um informed and engaged. And then we can publish it to basically the newsletter section of the website kind of after it goes live. and share it with um like Lee and uh others.
>> Yeah, I think that works. I I think this is jumping ahead a little bit, but >> I I like the timing on it because I think again we can I'd like to include kind of like a featured story section almost. Like the last one we did, we had
a lot of catching up to do. So >> I think it's good to cover a lot of that ground, but I see on here, right? Like so you've got the budget road map listed on your topics. >> Yeah. >> And I I was thinking, >> you know, that would be great for the
next like what I would call a featured story, something we kind of highlight, you know, so maybe maybe this month it's the budget road map. Maybe, you know, another month we're talking maybe we're we ask Lisa to write something about
special education or Yeah. Yeah. So, we kind of pick a topic that that we think is worth explaining. >> Yeah. Because there won't be as much to update on on a monthly basis once we're caught up with kind of the regular update. >> Yeah. And I think, you know, we have
those there there are tools in place that give those up. You know, we record and broadcast our meetings. We we you know, release the minutes which are really a summary of the meeting and and that includes the subcommittees. So, I I like sending out a newsletter that
recaps all that because I think it's going to reach more people and that's important. Um, but it is an opportunity for us to, you know, maybe provide a little more detailed information about something that is maybe really important
at the moment. And I think the budget road map is is sort of >> Okay, that sounds great. Like I saw you have the roof on there and I think that's that's quick and that was pretty well >> covered, you know, between between the the subcommittee and the school
committee and and the select board. >> Maybe it's more of just like an FYI, we all voted. It's moving forward. >> I don't think the loop for the avoidance of doubt that this is moving forward under budget. Um >> and and it's it is
>> Yeah. I I think we should put it in there, but it is a quick story. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. This I wasn't sure since we kind of have them formalized and done now and they're up on the school website if we want to link to them or like I put together basically a grid summarizing
them all in one view. I don't know if we if that's worth saving for a next one or kind of what your thoughts are on that. I no let's I if you have a a like a quick like at a glance version of this
then let's include it. >> I I do like the idea of um >> more like something like this because it's it's all right now in PDF documents like taking the data out of the PDF putting it into one view that we can kind of see how things are going and
like hey we've decided here they are and I'm not tied to this at all. Um, but >> yeah, I think that's good. I also think it's good to direct traffic to to our web page. Like it would be nice if people just instinctually started going there. I don't think that's true right
now, but yeah. >> Um, yeah. >> Um, okay. That was all I had. I mean, so what I could do is I could put together like a V1 of what the December 15th newsletter could look like and then
maybe like a day or two before that we just have a quick meeting so I can kind of share it with you and we can read through it and get any feedback. >> Yeah. I mean to I mean look these meetings I mean we're practically done now. They're >> they're quick like a 15inut.
>> Yeah. So, I don't I I don't mind setting up I think as long as you know obviously we need to post with 48 hours notice, but I think you know we have a date in mind. So, >> yeah, >> if we set something up for the 14th or the the 13th >> just because I
>> we we can't work on it asynchronously. So, yeah. Yeah, >> I know. That's that was something that I was wondering like it sounds like you're very comfortable sort of writing the bulk of this. >> I'm fine to do that. Yeah, I'm fine.
>> Um, and I'm wondering I think it >> I may start building that template, you know, like >> yeah, >> like I know that that there are templates in SMOR and I think it it would just be a matter of making some
edits to that, but maybe that will be my contribution this month. >> Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, I think I think if we're maybe if I'm providing you sort of assets to help you >> or if you want to hold the pen on like doing like we want to alternate months
or something, we could like >> I don't need a but I'm happy to. >> You know, I do have if we have like any graphics we want to put in like informance or whatever like if if if you come up with opportunities for that. I think
>> Yeah. Like the visualization of the information. Yeah, it's not my strong suit. >> Well, and you know, it it is well, it's what I do for a living. I >> gonna be bold enough to say it's but um
but I was really sort of moved by the the town's presentation on 3A during the during the town meeting. I thought that the way that they presented the information graphically uh you know was very clear and I'd like
to do more of that. I don't know where that fits in, but if if you're doing that sort of budget roadmap or budget overview and um you know and you think, oh, this would look nice in a graph, maybe people would understand this
better. >> Um or you know, I think you know, enrollment numbers or whatever may come up that we want to include. I'm happy to contribute that and then I can just sort of there's no deliberation in me in
>> Yes. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. That sounds great. >> Okay. Good. So, well, actually, why don't I look at Let me look at the calendar now. >> Yeah. >> So, if we're gonna >> All right. So, the December 15th is a
Monday. >> Yeah. >> I'm wondering 12th. Yeah, >> just because also I mean people that's you know the week before Christmas week. >> Yeah.
>> If people are going to care too much. >> Not that moving it to the 12th is so huge but um >> maybe we meet again on the 11th and then shoot to send it out on the 12th. >> Sure, that works.
You do the afternoon on the 11th. Yeah, let me um like anytime works for you. >> Anytime after three would be great. >> Yeah, I'll um I'll have to look at my I don't have my
calendar up. Um but uh >> I mean alternatively could do Friday morning like >> No, I'm sure I can make that work. Especially cuz I mean again it'll be >> it's going to be 15 minutes. It's going to be 15 minutes. Yeah. >> And then we'll send it shoot to send it
on the 12th this month. >> Okay. I think that's that's kind of it. We've got our marching orders. >> That sounds good. >> All right. Good. Then I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Um >> Oh, do I have to second? >> I think you do. Yes.
>> Um so seconded. >> Yeah. Uh, and um I'll take a vote. Melissa >> in favor. >> And I am in favor. So we are adjourned at 12:16 p.m. All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Have a good day. If Part: 2
would I'd love a brief summary of what's going on with the roof and what problems are observed and all of that >> because I I've read the emails but I I still I think I lack some of the background. >> Okay.
>> Is Mike in the room? >> Henry. >> Mike is in the room. >> Okay. Hi Mike. >> Uh let me let me promote you. >> I I think I am. No >> I'm I'm going to promote Mike. >> Oh >> um you are promoted. Okay, so we are
live streaming and recording. I will call the meeting to order at 8:33 a.m. Um, and I guess the f first agenda item is public comment. Um, and if I don't know if anybody on the
call, Lee, if you have a comment, please raise your hand. And if not, okay. So, we'll move on to our main agenda items. I'm actually going to make a motion to suspend the rules so that we can address item B
before item A since we have Mark here. Um, >> um, so I we don't um necessarily need to make a motion and it's not suspending the rules. It really would be just a um if you want to make a motion, be a motion to take items out of order. >> So, you're suggesting that we take the
veterans middle school roof first and then the early education. I honestly don't think we need a motion. I just I agree. So, >> okay, good. All right. Well, >> then we're going to We don't have Lisa here anyway. So, um let's let's uh move
right into item D first. Oh, here we go. Lisa and John are walking in. >> Okay. Hi guys. >> Okay. >> Thank you. How are you doing? >> Oh, nice to nice to finally meet you. >> And you are >> Mark Leon.
>> Mark, it's nice to meet you. Love your wife. >> Me, too. >> Say hi. >> Hi, Lisa. >> We all love There's We all love Ashley. Starting with >> You want to come back once we're done discussing this? It's up to you. >> Okay. Why don't you guys grab me? >> Yeah. Yeah. There's always something to
do here. >> I'm sure you're busy. Yeah, that's Yeah. >> So, thanks. Oh, it's so nice meeting you, Mark. >> You too. You have a great day. >> Okay, so um Mark, I think you were asking for some sort of background on the roof. I think that's a good place to start. >> Please. Yeah, sure. be great.
>> So, I will give you what I can. Uh, the high the uh veterans roof was approved previously also prior to any of us getting here. >> Actually, can we just back up one second, Mike, real quick? Really roll it back about back to like 2004 when we did
the renovation mark. My understanding is they did they renovated that whole school, I believe, replaced the roof and they value engineered out that section. That's the D-wing. Is that right, Mike? >> It is the D-wing. I don't know about the original revenue. >> That's my understanding. So that it is
it's it was an it's an old roof. And >> so it's an older roof that goes back to when that was the high school. >> Yes. My that's my understanding. Yeah. I can confirm that with Mike Rocket or Rob Dana, but that's my understanding. >> Okay. Nobody looking at it. >> So fast forward to 2022 2023. I don't
really know when it was a capital article bunch lumped in with a bunch of other things including Glover's HVAC I believe and something else. Right. The town allocated $400 and something thousand dollars to do the veterans middle school roof >> last year.
>> Uh no, this was uh this was two or three years ago. Jen, >> I think it was >> that was the original that was right. That was the original with the original. Yeah. So like 2023, I think. >> So we went out to bid this year for it's two section. It's two levels of roof. There's an upper se level and a lower
level. Okay. We went out to bid um for the roof and there are two HVAC units on the rooftop. They're not anything like the high school HVAC units. They are small. >> Yes. >> Um went out to bid a company called
Pacon. P A Q O N. Pacon >> I believe so. >> Yeah. >> Um was low bidder >> and um was awarded the bid. >> Right. >> Ultimately they subcontracted. They were the general. They subcontracted out the
roofing to a company that I don't want to give the wrong name. >> Okay. >> Um roofing company. >> A roofing company. >> Got it. >> That roofing company came on site. They >> did the roof work. >> Okay. >> Um >> so they did replace the roof and the
HVAC components. >> Not the HVAC. The HVAC has not been done yet because we're we're pausing on the roof because we're not comfortable with the way it went. >> Okay. Um, I had Mike Velgi go up on the roof. I don't know if you know Mike, but Mike is a meetings
>> envelope expert for the MSBA. He's his company works with the MSBA for windows, doors, roofing. Um, Mike went up on the roof with me. This was probably a month, month and a half ago before the rains came, before any issues happened. Mike pointed out some some concerns. Mhm.
>> Um we communicated those concerns to Packcon and said, "Hey, look, we're concerned about these things." He also pointed out some things that were done really well, pitching of the the insulation, pitching to the drains, >> things like that. Um but I think the primary concerns that Mike saw at that
time was that the coping, and I'm going to call it coping, edging, whatever, um was not a thick enough gauge. It was more of a a residential versus a commercial. Uh there was some cocking that was used, silicone cocking when he felt like there should have been a
roofing some type of a roof cocking or something or something. >> Again, outside of my area of expertise, I'm communicating what I know. >> Um so bring on the rains, two levels of roofing. Uh from what I understand, the
rain got out behind something >> and came down to the second roof which flooded out the entire inside of the building. I mean, okay, and maybe I'm I'm wrong there. >> Yeah. >> Come to find out, >> been November, right, Mike? >> So, now the insulation's wet also,
>> correct? >> So, the roof needs to come up. >> So, well, so we have had the insurance companies on site, both ours and theirs. Um, we've had the general contractor, we've had our building commissioner, we've had um
some there was a whole bunch of people, the the uh the first roofing company. So, Packon fired their first subcontractor, >> okay? >> Brought on a second roofing company who came up on the roof, peeled back some of the roofing to find out where the lease
were coming from. Come to find out the first contractor had roofed up and over weep holes. >> Okay. >> From the first level down to the second level. >> Oh, so the first level was draining underneath the roofings. Correct. Okay.
>> To what I understand. Um, in talking to the facility subcommittee probably about 3 weeks ago, two weeks ago when we last met, >> uh, it was our desire to have the roofing company come out and rip the entire roof off and start all over.
>> Yeah. >> They had proposed cutting out sections, replacing wet insulation after they had done a infrared scan, >> right? Um they had um they had originally proposed that we went back and said we'd really like you to rip the whole thing off and start all
over again. We haven't paid you a dime yet and we have no intention of paying you until this is right. >> Right. >> What really what really gives us pause is that because the weoles were covered. We don't know what this other contractor did. >> Sure. >> Incorrectly. >> Yep. Once there's a problem you it puts people on high alert to find all the
other problems. That's they're in a bad position because Yeah. We also said to pack home we're concerned I I had the meeting with them. Building commissioner was there. Todd was there. Um also concerned that this roof is supposed to come with a 20-year warranty
>> and we're not sure that the manufacturer is going to warranty a roof that's now been cut into, patched, repaired, and whatnot. >> And they said that they would get the manufacturer out there. So fast forward to last week emailed us and said, "Hey, thanks for the meeting. Really appreciate it. We want to make this right. We'll do whatever we have to."
Their recommendation is to bring a third party independent engineer out to look at the roof and say, "Yeah, the whole thing needs to come off or it doesn't need to come off." I think the other part is is that there's there's some there was there was a question and I
can't answer that. The upper level did not leak at all. It's the lower level that's leaking or had leak problems. It's not currently leaking as far as I know, >> but we haven't had a whole great deal of rain uh recently. most recently. Um they said that, you know, if they ripped it off, they'd rip off the lower section
and leave the upper because that it's two separate roofs. One just drains, I think, through wee poles onto the other roof. And so, we'd have to look at the weeoles and see if that's even the right way for the roof to be draining. Um, and if there's a way to roof the lower
section where it would not interfere with that, if you can still flash high enough up the wall without getting past where those upper roof drains come in. So, I can follow up with Steve and see what he saw. Um, because he's got the expertise also to to have that
conference finishing. >> Um, roughly how big of an area is this lower roof? Do you know? >> I'm going to I'm going to estimate. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Like 100 by 50? >> Just rip it up because 100 by 50. >> It's just rough
>> approximately. You can do that with two seams going down the center. Two f two originally applied seams. If you start ripping it up, you're going to have seams crossing seams and that's typically where roofs will start to leak over time. They'll be fine immediately
if they do it right. But 101 15 years from now, you'll that's most likely place for a premature failure. Um, especially with I mean this is going a little deeper, but what the EPA has done to roofing adhesives and roofing
chemicals for flat roofing is uh not ideal uh for the roof. It's good for the environment, but not good for, you know, the old style stuff that you can't get anymore in Massachusetts or use on a government building uh would seal like crazy, but they can't apply that. So, I
think ripping up the roof would be a good idea. No, I think I also think and I agree with you, Mark. I also think that possibly having that third party come out look at least look at the upper roof to make sure it's it's seems like it's done right. So, we don't have to like then go back and do it. >> The only cons it's
>> this is the upper that's the lower. Okay. So, that's pretty big. But, um >> Mike, do you mind sharing your screen? Oh, actually, >> concern that I would have about the third party is if they come in and they're in cahoots with the contractor and they say, "Oh, no. Everything's
great here. Let's just rip up this little piece and fix it up. And that's our official recommendation. I mean, is there any utility to having the third party if there's an agreement ahead of time that Marblehead doesn't have to >> doesn't have to to follow the
recommendations of the third party? >> Can you make it >> Oh, yeah. Sorry. >> Can you make that officially an information gathering event and not necessarily binding to the to what the the remedy is? Sure, we could. But the other the other piece too is like, okay,
now we're in December, so you know, how how much time do we have to actually rip up and replace the roof or is they going to slow roll it with, oh, now we're going to get contract out? >> There's temporary fixes as well. >> I mean, you could block off the drains and let it drain naturally shed wherever
it sheds. You could uh there's ways to temporarily stop it from leaking. I mean, if the problem is as simple as drains, not simple, not simple, but if it's if it's as clear-cut as drains that are that are draining underneath the roof
membrane, there are ways to resolve that. >> Um, it's not a permanent solution because water damage is already done. >> So, I I think what happened was rain that was draining off of this roof was going down to weepholes that were supposed to go
onto this roof. >> Mhm. and the weepholes down at the bottom of the lower roof were covered. That's what I think happened, but I'm not I'm not an expert. >> So the So the flood was in underneath the upper roof or underneath the lower roof, Mike.
>> So my understanding and Steve Cummings and Todd be much better. Unfortunately, Todd's on a has a person. >> Oh, it's got to be the lower roof, right? Because the gym didn't get wet, right? Isn't the upper roof over the gym? Um, so this is this is an engineering room here. >> Yeah.
>> This is uh something else. Mhm. TV is over here, but I think >> they got soaked through here, >> I think. Oh, >> okay. Got it. Got it. Oh, the whole thing is um so a couple questions though. Aren't we um We're We've emptied that out, right? Nobody's using that
right now, John? >> There's Yeah, there's nobody over there right now. So, I mean, I know it's not ideal, but we're not under pressure. In other words, we want to fix this correctly, and we don't have anybody in there right now. So, we're not under pressure. >> I don't know if MHTV is back in there or
not. I I can't get a straight answer, but I don't know that they are. >> Sure. >> I think they were they were they were trying to get all their equipment. >> Why don't we go over there and see whether they're in there or not? >> Yeah. I just >> Yeah. >> Because I I mean to answer to to Mark's
point, it sounds to me like PCON saying they're not that's what they're called. They're not agreeing to replace the roof. What they're offering is to have a third party come in and make a determination. >> I don't think they're I think I think they want to have somebody identify
what is the best course of action and then they will take whatever that action is. I think they're looking for somebody in the middle, somebody without a without a stake on either side to say, "Yes, you should either rip this off or no, you can cut it and patch it and get rid of all the wet insulation and everything." >> What if we're not satisfied with the
remedy suggested by that third party? I wouldn't even enter into that situation because you lose all the power right now, >> right? Right now, we can just tell them the solution is you're fixing both roofs by replacing both roofs and any wet insulation and that's all we're going to accept and they're going to have to do
it or they're going to walk away and forfeit forfeit the money and we hire somebody else. >> That's I think we kind of have some leverage because we haven't give up the leverage. >> Yeah, I agree with Mark. >> In the world of construction, that's how it works. If you if we agree to bring in a third party and we don't like what
they what they say, then it's going to be messy. And right now, it's not a messy situation. It's very clear-cut that they're in the wrong. We hold all the cards and all the money. And we don't owe them anything until they make it right by whatever way we think is necessary.
>> Whose whose ultimate decision is that? Is that that this subcommittee, the school committee, mine? Thanks. >> Um I would assume that it would be um this probably the superintendent. I mean it's an operational
>> that's that's what I was thinking but I don't want to step on toes. So I >> but but on the other hand you know >> I can also get >> could always make a motion to do that. I mean like there think you know if the school committee doesn't agree John I think we can you know. >> Yeah. No, no. I just I just I'm trying to make it as streamlined as possible
because my initial my initial thought before we had all these extra discussions was just rip it off and start over again because I I'm I'm more nervous about >> I don't care if it's two square feet of wet insulation and the whole thing's wet. That's that's going to be an issue. And cutting into a new roof, I I I don't know that it
>> doesn't negate the warranty of some sort. I I would believe that the warranty would be there, but >> the warrant warranties on roofs are actually pretty facicious. um they're not nearly as clear-cut as they should be. And the roofing material itself is
warrantied for a number for for an amount of time as long as it is applied to the manufacturer's recommendations. But the most important warranty unless you have defective product which is unlikely is the warranty from the
contractor who does the application which would be the contra you know the uh the general contractor um because in this case they're the ones who were contracted not the roofing subcontractor. So, uh, I could read the warranty documents if you have them and
and let you know. And, you know, cutting into a roof and patching it is possible and it is possible to do it right. Um, my inclination would be not to start with that nonsense and to just get what we paid for instead of get something
lesser. But I would feel more comfortable giving a firm opinion on that if I could spend five minutes on a roof. Yeah, >> we can arrange that. >> So, can I make a suggestion, Henry? Maybe we uh we um take Mark up on his
very generous offer. Um and you know, leave it to basically Mark and John and Mike to make the you know, make the decision and then you know, come back and maybe let us know. But I mean, I I do think probably deferring operationally to the superintendent is
the appropriate thing to do. >> I I think you're absolutely right. I mean, I'm just listening because the Yeah, >> clearly like we don't have the expertise that that they do. >> Yeah. One of the most important things in this whole process other than identifying what the problem is is being
firm in negotiations. If we start allowing them to to take control by bringing in their expert and their third third party who they find, it's just we're giving up we're we're yielding our our power to
them, which we shouldn't be doing until we know exactly what we want. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean this is different than if they they did the whole roof and then you know 6 months later a seam seam popped or something, right? And they say you got to get back out there and fix it or that's a little bit different. This is like
>> conception. We didn't you know >> I think like the decision is is up to you but my opinion is that it would be better to replace the whole roof. >> So I mean >> and can I also make a further suggestion? We're in you know open meeting right now. So any like sort of
more detailed discussions I think is appropriate. Perhaps also being not in an open session between you know Mark our expert you know subject matter expert and John and your team. >> Yep. >> Because now we're getting in you know I mean now you're getting into sort of you
know some >> strategy in in working with >> a contractor. The last thing I'll I'll say without going into too much detail is that I think there might be a middle ground where that we could look at as part of a conversation and I don't I
will rely on you guys because I don't know the um you know the government contract rules around what I'm going to suggest. Um, but the only way I think that a fix would make sense over replacement is if that changes the price
to the point where we have some security that if a future fix was necessary, we have it in the budget. But I would not certainly not allow them to um compromise the roof by putting holes in it and and doing a patch job and then pay them full price for the job that was done.
>> Fair point. >> So that's all something we can talk about after after I I see it. I can make some suggestions on what I think is reasonable. >> So, um, great to get you up on the roof. I to to protect your time. >> Yeah.
>> Would it benefit us to have the contractor there at the same time or not? >> Um, no. I think it' probably be better for me to just look at it um without them and may maybe if Steve wants to hop back up there if he's available, we could look at it together. Um, we've
worked together quite a bit over the last 15 years. >> Great. >> Before he was even here, so I definitely trust his opinion on on all of that stuff. And we could look at it and have a conversation about it and then report back. >> Great. Okay. >> And I'm available,
you know, pretty regularly. This week's a little tough, but if if I could probably squeeze it in Friday or today. Yeah. Okay. All right. Um, the rain supposed to come in today? >> Yeah, like 10:00 or that's
>> just my baseball for still weekend. >> Yeah, >> I've got uh meeting tonight for the planning board at 4 um just a subcommittee there. Then Wednesday, Thursday I'm out of
commission. Friday, first half of the day I'm around. Second half I'm not. >> So do you want to do today three Saturdays? >> Today at three I have my meeting at 4. So if we think that's enough time then yes. >> Two I just I you I'm at your you tell us
and >> um let's do Can we do 2:30? Is that good for you guys? >> Just be mindful of dismissal. >> Be a little busy at that time. Just >> Okay. >> I mean it's fine. Just just be aware.
>> Okay. And what is there is there access from inside the building? >> I'll have No, there is not. So, I'll have a lot of run over. >> Okay. >> No access from inside that all my truck. >> And I'm going to need to just I want to
try and not confirm with Steve that he can get over there. >> I'll run upstairs. after. >> Did you say there's no access from inside, Mike? Wow. >> Well, I when I went up on it, I went up on a ladder right here to get us here and then there was another ladder up here. So, we had um we had Mike Alonis
meet us over there because Todd was unavailable that afternoon. Uh he he set up the ladders for us. >> Looks like there's a >> there I can set them up. >> I mean, there might be a way to climb out a window over here, but it'll >> No, I meant like an internal access. >> That would be a whole other problem,
>> right? Yeah. >> Yeah. Seems odd that there's no internal access there, but I don't know. >> I'm not really familiar with this building uh too much. >> I just missed it. >> Oh, yeah. You never went there, did you,
Mar? >> I was the first freshman class at the new school. >> So, you went from village to the new high school? >> Yes. >> Awesome. Well, that sounds like a plan. Thank you, Mark. We appreciate that. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, anything else I can do? Let me
know. And what do I do? Just show up there and >> Yeah, we'll meet you there at 2:30. >> Okay. I'll go. >> You have to go. You'll have to go in the main office. Are you just going to meet on the side of the building? >> No, we won't be inside the building. >> I'll just drive around. >> And if we're inside the building, there's nobody in that section, so we should be good. We don't have to go in. >> Um, I'll run up and and see if I can
catch Steve right now. >> Okay. >> Awesome. Thanks, guys. >> Thanks, Mark. >> Thanks, Mark. >> See you soon. Get me some ring. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Thanks, John. Oh, is he coming back? >> Oh, he's coming back. He's grabbing Lisa Marie.
>> So, um, while he's grabbing Lisa Marie, do we, um, I don't think, Henry, we correct me if I'm wrong, set like a regular sort of frequency of these meetings. I don't know if that's something we might want to consider. >> We did we did in the last meeting we had
>> I'll I'll get the schedule over to you. Actually, I'll just share it with everyone. But we were we're meeting sort of the first Tuesday. >> Oh, right. >> Month at like 10:00 thereabout. >> Right. So, let's let John know that because I know he was >> I'll I'll send that. Yeah, I have I don't have the notes on me, but when I
get home, I will I'll send them out. >> Okay. Um so then I think at this point we'll just wait till our next regular meeting, Mike, and you and and John can report back um as to where you are. we need think we need Mark, we can ask him.
I want to be respectful of his time. Um, and if you guys are able to come to, you know, a group decision or John makes a decision based on Mark's input, you can just report back to us and we can let the school committee know.
>> I'm going to put a calendar invite out to everybody for the first Tuesday of every month at 8:30. Was that 8:30? It was let me let me we >> I just want to put on my calendar so that it's >> so we had we in our last meeting we looked at the time for this room and the
and the admin meeting that that happens and we established dates I I think for the next 6 months or so and it was I think most of them were at 10:00 not 8:30. This one was an exception but let me I took notes on all those dates. Let
me just get those out to you so we can block that off. When was our last facilities meeting? >> Uh, it was the beginning of November. >> I know. I'm looking here. Um, oh, hang on. >> You're probably better off sharing your
screen. >> You're not on there. So, jump on the Zoom call, get elevated to a panelist, and then share your screen. >> Oh, I made a Zoom link. Oh, there's more than Oh, I didn't know there was more. >> No, there's a This is an official Zoom link. This is a broadcast. This is Lisa >> official.
>> This is broadcast all around the town of Mallet. >> Hi Lisa Marie. >> Hi. Good morning. How are you? >> How are you? How was your Thanksgiving? >> It was wonderful. It was great time with family and good food. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> How about everybody else? >> It was great. That's my favorite holiday. So >> I had a whole house full and they're all gone. So, I'm trying to look up my notes. I have notes from the fifth and I don't have anything about the
>> to go back and watch it. Sorry, honey. I didn't take >> No, I have it I have it written down. I'll send it out to Yeah, >> you're right. >> I will send it again to the email. I just did it through Zoom. >> Actually, now I do remember because January
Yeah, we're just back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, Lisa Marie, you sent us I'm looking at this document. Um, you just sent this to us, right? >> I sent it to you because I, um, and I have a copy here for everybody else. So, I wanted to make sure that you could be included, but I'm sharing the PowerPoint
with everyone right now. >> Oh, we have a PowerPoint. Oh my god, you're the best. >> Queen of the PowerPoint. Love it. >> And it's pretty. >> I'm sure it is. It always is. There's an art to it. I don't have it. >> That's so sweet. Thank you.
Okay, I'll hand out these to the group. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. Let's see if I got the link. Still nothing. [Music]
It's on the town calendar if you tell how I got it. Yeah. >> Yeah, that's fine. I just military. >> Something wrong with my computer. Same thing kind of yesterday. >> Yeah, I can I can share your presentation. Could you share? >> Yeah. Yes, please.
>> Thanks, Mike. Oh, it just came through the mic. >> Good. Have the PDF. >> They did in Canber. I turned it to a PDF. Recording in progress. >> I'm over there. >> Okay, great.
>> Did she elevate her to panelist? >> I did. Yes. >> And give her share rights. Um, she I think she'd need to request that not reading the screen. See if I can
Okay, I see your screen. >> Here we go. >> Oh, >> great response. >> Okay, I make it child friendly. So, um this is obviously the early childhood
survey outcome summary and um this is an overview of the deliverables and the results from the survey and how we're progressing towards our goal. Let's see. So, the survey recap um how is our work
aligning with impact? The presentation is from seven we got 75 different responses to our survey. um about the Marblehead um community's interest in having an early childhood center uh with a possible location at
Elisa School. And how did we receive the results or how is it survey sent to the community? It was sent out to Marblehead families um and subsequently to the community on November 13th and the survey ended on
November 30th. Um, we sent it out through my newsletter as well as through Blackboard. And then a thank you to Lee Lander for supporting the survey by posting it on the um, Marblehead Times web page as well as Marblehead Cable TV.
Okay, so on to the survey results. So, um, down the bottom in black, it says, "Do you have children ages 0 through five?" And 68% of the people said yes. and 32% said no. And then the top three
responses for what type of programming would you be most interested in? And this was a select all um that apply to you. Uh the top three were full day preschool, which were 55 people out of the 75 at 73.3%.
half day preschool which was 30 people at 40% and then a toddler program which is 39 people and 52%. All the other um survey results was one person uh who who sent something in and
I can elaborate on that if you want me. >> So Lisa Marie that means that people could have picked more than one. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. And most and the interesting thing is most people picked full day preschool and toddler program. So if I had to say like what was
>> Yeah, that makes sense. And by toddler program, was there a timing that is that sort of like a idea of a daycare or well I guess Yeah. >> Yes. Like a almost like a an early intervention program. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah.
>> So survey results continue. Um what would they like to see? And this is like a narrative that people would type in. So after school programs and activities and some people wrote, "I won't need preschool anymore, but I think it's an awesome thing to offer families in
town." Um, three people said, "No program, sell the building." Um, one person said, "None, let kids be kids." and then also offer special so students interested in working with kids
um has an opportunity to do this somehow. And to elaborate on that one, we had several people respond with if we have like an afterchool program or a STEM program, we hire our own high school students to come in and work with
our younger younger students. So, it's a win-win for both age groups. >> Is that possible? like John and Lisa Marie that are there any issues around that? >> Um >> you like legal issues or Corey or any of that stuff?
>> Well, I mean they if they're over 18, they'd have to get a Cory and stuff, but otherwise not. Um >> and they just have to be supervised, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, they have to be adult. They have to be adults there to supervise it. But that's not atypical. Like other districts have like early childhood programs that they run and those high
school students will run, you know, babysitting services during like town meetings. they'll do, you know, stuff like that and um you do other things in the community with other preschools. So, you know, if we had our own kind of early childhood center, that would make sense. >> Yeah, >> that's easy. That's that's actually a
win-win, I think. >> Right. Exactly. And we could even do um within the high school kind of like we do um you know, the career pathways. Yeah. >> We could do like an education pathway where we have a preschool with um a teacher in our students, but I know like
National Honors Society and Yeah. >> Um a lot of >> very lot of opportunity various groups. All the other areas were at 1.3% which equaled one person. But I these I didn't put the necessarily the totals because
these aren't exact words except for the no program sell the building. That was three people kind of quoted on that. Um but these were the these were the top answers kind of combined together. Okay. Behind the outcomes um this
question was factors. What factors would you encourage would encourage you to enroll your child in an early childhood center? Um, and this was select your top three choices. And so you can see uh affordable tuition uh was 61 people at
81.3%. Uh and then the next highest was experienced staff that was 57 people at six uh 76%. And then uh the third would be high qu high quality curriculum which is 47
people at 62.7%. Then of course we had convenient location was 48%. Um let's see inclusive programming was 30% and play-based setting was 57.3. Lisa Marie, how would you define inclusive or how did you define
inclusive programming or how >> I didn't necessarily define it, but um inclusive programming would be like our prek now. It's an integrated program. >> Got it. Okay, got it. >> Um so we have uh general ed and special ed students uh receiving instruction in
the same class. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> And high I just can talk about high quality curriculum for a minute. So the state now has um grants and things um with approved curriculum tools um that
are called high quality curriculum tools. So um there are several programs the state I think it's now 5 years ago had done um a literacy upgrade of highquality materials where they picked certain districts who piloted uh
different programs and gave feedback and then they became part of um Desi's website of these these are our favorable uh highquality curriculum tools. So if not consider uh if not considered enrolling your child, what are your main
concerns? And they picked their top two choices. So cost as you can see once again was the main driver on that at 64%. Um next was scheduling conflicts like um and you'll see in the survey results
lots of people were looking for like um professional business hours like 7 to 7 um or something along those lines. that that would be like the longest day that I think I saw. And then child care uh is already arranged and that was 26.7%.
Uh and then you can just see all all the rest. Um a lot of people are talking about the taxes. Um if if the program wasn't inclusive, uh kids don't even need any more education than what they're getting.
They have older kids, but they like the idea of the program. And you can see that those were like one person um down the bottom. And then um insights from the survey. So that's the handout and Jen I had sent
that to you. >> So um I thought everyone could just read those over and these are the exact uh responses. We received 46 responses out of the 75 people who answered. >> Yeah, these are interesting.
very there's such a gamut here. >> Yeah, >> there is. Um I to be honest, I'm a little surprised that there that we didn't have more comments like I don't think you should create one. Where's the option to say
no? >> You know, I expected to see a lot more of that. >> And this is all narrative. >> People were free writing whatever they wanted to write in here. >> Well, remember who we surveyed here? >> Yes. I I I I am keeping that in mind. >> Yeah. I
>> I have to say though, I'm not surprised either. And there was one I think or three people that said um you know, dispose of the building, which no question about it, there's going to be a group in town that you know, there's no question about that. But I do have to say, well, I should back up. What are
your thoughts, Lisa Marie? Are we >> We're done with the the presentation, right? Yes. >> What were your takeaways, John and Lisa Marie and Mike? I sort of felt like it like I think what we already know that there's just such a wide variety of people. You have some
you have some people who see a real um need for this and expanding this. And there's a lot of things about you know outside play and exploring and play-based curriculum um extending the school day uh to meet the needs of the
professional uh business um career um people in the community. And then, you know, there's some people who um like we talked about are just like they don't understand like why. There's actually someone who wrote, "I don't even know why you're doing the survey." Um and so
I think that we would need to present a lot more if we were to move forward a lot more information about the who's, the what's, and the why based on uh the answers in the survey. And maybe we would dig deeper into um some of the responses that we received.
Yeah, I think it's it's clear to me that um I think throughout the presentation in the in the uh in the response is that I would think the prepoundonderance of folks are looking for the extended day, the longer day um for working parents
and for it to be affordable. So almost I gleaned from that that um you know they're looking for like child care similar like private child care but like through the public and that it needs to meet their needs like let me drop the let me drop off my little one there my
second grader at school go to work pick up my second grader go pick up my my littleer one later on like just you know as if it were a regular private preschool. That's kind of the what I'm gleaning out of all the um comments. So, you know, is that is that something
that's um needed? Um >> well, I mean, I don't versus what I mean what versus, you know, a reduced day. I mean, I don't think that's in this day and age realistic personally. I don't I don't know. I
mean, anywhere out there is I mean, maybe a little bit marble, but is there a is there like screaming demand for just a couple hours a day? Yeah, I just Yeah, I think so. I mean, we we we already provide integrated preschool in our public schools. So,
this this would be either taking those preschool programs, put in there and expanding it or doing something separate, expanding it possibly. And I think um you know that I mean that's that's what I've heard a lot of lot of times in our half day programs. People are like that's not enough. You know, I mean it depends on the situation of the
parent though. You know, if they're if they're stay-at-home parents and they send their kids for half day, that's great. if they're working parents, half day doesn't help, isn't helpful. Um, and I think those are the people that are probably clamoring for something more. And um, you know, I I think I think the
second part of the conversation is if we were to move forward and say, okay, yes, we're going to develop a, you know, early childhood center at at that school. Like, what's the reasonable next pathway through? What would the generalized cost be, right? which I think that's where we're going to bump
into a lot more conversations about what what people really want. You know, this was a good first step. I think it was getting some good information. I mean, 70 would you say? 75 >> 75. >> Um, which isn't horrible when we have, you know, 60, you know, 73 preschool
parents right now. You know, that seems like it's probably reasonable number. But, um, >> and I also like it seemed like we got a lot of community members. Yeah. >> Who who answered. >> Yeah. That don't have kids. Did they self was that? Did you capture that information?
>> Uh yes. >> And I think some of the some of these comments also sounded like people who were community members, not not really looking for child care for themselves, but were seem to be excited about the program. I think one of the things that
we if if this is something we want to go down the road with, we might want to explore is many communities have where they'll put out an RFP for somebody else to run an early childhood program or a daycare or
a you know, whatever uh through our building. So, they would pay us basically rent. We would rent the building out to a company. They would set their rates. They would do their own enrollment. they would do all their own hiring, firing, whatever else. We it,
you know, one of the things I'm not sure that we're prepared in the in the shortterm future to open up something that offers a 7 to five, 7 to six program for for families. Um, my other experience is that
when we tried to I I we had a program in when I was in Wakefield, we had a program that was run by our school district or after school, not prek, but it was an afterchool program and a lot of our power professionals, ESPs,
tutors, whatever you want to call them, instructional assistants would work in that program after school, but we were still the employer. So we incurred overtime, we incurred uh unemployment costs, we employ um incurred other things that um
>> extra custodial later. >> So there was just >> what was the rate you charged enough to cover that? >> Um this wasn't preschool. This wasn't early childhood. Oh yes, we Yes. It was like at that time it was like $15 for an afternoon and $7 for morning drop in.
>> And we did the same thing. for for after school program like the Y provides a lot of that stuff for us now but here um but you could do your own like after school program you know similar to what Mike what Mike's saying that's that's not this though this is a totally different thing because e
>> early childhood stuff is licensed differently too we have to think about that so if you're opening up an early childhood center it needs to be licensed through EEC which is different than DESIE which has different regulations um so we just you have to you have to look at that It's my understanding it's
a standalone kind of entity >> and not part of your prek to 12 curricula. It has to look >> different, >> right? We I mean the concern I'd have about this idea of you know outsourcing it is I mean part of the purpose of this I thought was to try to make this a you
know cradle to college experience in Marblehead public schools. So you don't if you're talking about hiring and firing, you know, whatever, you know, all the all of that outsourced, you know, where does where do where does teaching and learning and special education, special student services come
in? Unless we have some sort of a partnership um on that. I don't know in terms of >> Jen, I think you mentioned the last meeting that this had potential to be revenue generating and so if we're
>> Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, it would generate revenue, but we would if we're outsourcing it, we're not >> Oh, right. >> We're not involved in the actual education of the students. >> Yeah. We would get revenue from the rental of the property, which if you
bring in revenue from an early childhood program because we are charging families to come here and we are hiring the staff. That's not like revenue we can use in other areas. And I think we've experienced that with our prek and kindergarten tuitions is that that money needs to go to K and prek specific
programs. You cannot say, "Okay, we're now going to use that to cover salaries at the high school." >> Yeah. And I'm not >> I wouldn't revenue was that same. >> No, no. >> No. Rental revenue. We can do anything. >> A lot more flexibility. >> Yeah. Okay. >> It depends on how the revolving accounts established.
>> Mr. Moneybags over there, but but we also, you know, I'm kidding. But we also, you know, you like I my int this is I'm only one person. My intention this wasn't for this to be a revenue source. It was to try to make it revenue neutral. I mean, I don't I want to try
to avoid this costing the town or coming out of our operating budget, which is probably, you know, a a reach. Um, but my concern in terms of again in terms of outsourcing is we've just also outsourced the
teaching of the children. >> Yeah. I think I think the the revenue piece that Mike's referring to, I don't want to put words in his mouth. I I just recall there was conversations last year when this was in its very infancy that um that language was tied to it. So maybe maybe it's a misinterpretation or
misunderstanding on our end that that was kind of the initial driver. And that's if it's not that's fine. But I also think like we have to decide as a as a as a community is the need great enough to take the next step and and you know spend the money on a you know true
you know facilities feasibility piece and what does that look like and to establish because I agree with you Jen I think an early childhood center of sorts and whatever that ends up looking like where we have the continuity of educating our students is is a great
idea. I think that the part is um how like what's the appetite to to to fix the building? What's the appetite to to make it something that we can then add to our repertoire of of educational, you know, facilities? And is that great
enough to, you know, to move forward? So, I guess that's the question, right? And I don't know how to get to that answer at this point, but I think it's definitely worth I still think it's worth exploring. I just don't know, you know, how we get >> Yeah. I mean the the foundation of this whole exercise is the
disposition of this property really. >> That's what our job here is on the facility subcommittee is um determining what the the the fate of that property and do we need it for educational purposes. That's the bottom line. That's our responsibility to determine that. So
I think I think I guess the question would be does this survey that Lisa Marie did and did well and got the results and everything else does that is it enough information for the for us to say yes there's a great enough need to take that next step or not and and if
not like how do we get more information or is it if it's about Eveith itself do we do a similar kind of survey but maybe look at a different use you know what I mean like we had talked about 18 to 22 programming or you know something right because I think there's an opportunity
here for Marblehead public schools to utilize that that location in that building for educational purposes and if it's not the early childhood center it could be something else right because we you and I we have spoken about this before like the 1822 program is also a
need it's I don't know if it's as great of a need but it's it's also a need so >> I'm going to go out on a limb though and say John that anything that we're going to do that is going to require that building to be reconstructed and have that kind of a
price tag to it and if it's ultimately not revenue producing and it's going beyond what our required needs are, I think it's going to be a very hard sell. >> Oh, 100%. 100%. That's that's kind of what I was going for. I'm like I mean if there was this like oh my god, you know, 300 people that all had little kids came
out and said absolutely 100% this is what you should do. I don't care how much it's going to cost. It has to happen. then then I think I'd be feeling a bit differently. I'm not I'm not feeling that yet. >> Well, I I'll going to push back on that because I think that it was overwhelming that the people who responded thought that this was a good use for this
building and that it was absolutely a need in this town. know whether we could meet those needs. I mean there's some very you know strong feelings in terms of length of day the quality and all that but I read the results as without a doubt the people who chose to respond
the m large overwhelming majority believe that this is a good idea. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. No I didn't Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying is is the sample size a big enough piece you know piece to take the next steps but and answer maybe yes. I just it's just worth that question. Sorry Lisa Mary.
>> That's okay. Um, excuse my ignorance on this question, but wouldn't we need to do a feasibility study whether it was 18 to 22 or an early childhood program? Yep. >> So, >> I think that the question that was on the plate in the last meeting was
>> do we is there enough interest in the from the town to do a feasibility study. I think this this survey was to say >> if we got results back and you know half the people said please don't do this then I think we had
>> that was we didn't get that message right >> you know so I I >> I do I I don't know what to do next because it is a small sample size but it is enthusiastic uh you know interest in this
>> well so a couple things Um, so one thing I don't necessarily understand about like the feasibility studies that I've either participated on or been on the sidelines but have followed have been
uh specific to um, you know, a school building for the purposes, right? with the school buildings. We've done K through 12, we've had feasibility studies, but I've never participated or seen one where you've got a property and you're not sure what to do with it, right? That has not been the case. The case is we've always we've had a need.
We need a high school, we need a middle school, we need an upper elementary, we need a lower elementary, and then it was just determining which site, which buildings were the best location, etc., etc. So, I don't know whether there is a process out there where an an organization would do. Usually
it's an architectural front does a feasibility study on an actual property like what's the best use of this and then is it beyond the use of the schools and that would be a town feasibility study. Um because that probably makes sense but to your point Henry I don't
know like there's a cost associated with that and we would need to be finding funds for that. I mean, I wonder if it makes sense to do an a survey on the other uses, educational uses, John, like for
the 18 to 22 program. >> Yeah, I think I mean I throw that out there just as a as a thought because I think to get to the next, you know, maybe maybe I'm jumping too far ahead because, you know, to Henry's point a minute ago, like we're trying to figure out if if if we should do a feasibility study, right? So, if we're sticking with
the early childhood, yes, the the results are overwhelming that that folks want it. um the feasibility study like when Mike and I kind of took you dipped our toe in the water, we kind of have an idea of what that would cost and I don't I just don't know if that cost um is
reasonable at this juncture to take the next step. Um but yeah, I think yeah and then to your point, Jen, I I'm with you as far as yes, feasibility study of of this building of this situation for this purpose, this is a little bit different, right? So I think um I think the
feasibility of the building is can it be used for an educational purposes question mark like what that would be for we know what the we we already know what a lot of the deficiencies of the buildings are building deficiencies in >> yeah the building is pretty much
>> yeah so I think you know I mean yeah I mean if it's a if I had my crystal ball you know a rebuild would be you know a lot more than fixing it up And I don't know, fixing up gives us the space we need. So I there's just all those things. I think that's what a feasibility study would tell us. But you
know, for upwards of a quarter million dollars, is that something we want to >> Well, I think it sounds like based on the on the survey results and based on what we would need to do to effectively do a feasibility study, we need a little
more of a little bit of a stronger plan as to what we would actually do. I mean, like a lot of these survey results are like the building has mold, you can't have kids in there, which obviously wasn't what we were proposing, but >> uh and I wonder if we want to
sort of come up with some firmer ideas as to what this early education or early childhood center would provide and then see if we can get some more feedback on it on a plan rather than >> Right. What do you mean? >> This is very broad because we were just
looking for just the basics right now. >> I could see how if we had more structure >> because we may say yeah we we're not doing a 7 to7 day like daycare. >> It will we are in >> are you still interested? Yeah. >> Right. Right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I think I think we can agree that there seems to be a a need or a want at least for something in their child early childhood. Seems to me that most people want some sort of an extended day for for their working parents. But that but to Henry's point,
maybe that's not what we can provide. So then we say well we can provide so child center where we put preschool together da d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d we provide these extra supports and is that something people still interested in >> the next step because this is more of a needs I mean >> yes >> needs assessment just to see if we want
to take next step >> and I don't think I think that that doesn't exclude other plans for the building whether it's uh 18 through 22 or whether we say we're going to share this building with the town and like we do now and you know
they have the records in there but >> um I think you know Jen to your point if we're going to do a feasibility study we need to to know what we're studying. >> Um I also do want to point out that we
have there's another meeting in this room 10 o'clock so I just >> keep >> Okay. Yeah. No no no problem. I mean, I do think John to your point or even to Henry's to preclude that we're not offering a seven to seven. I I hate to because we could also do a hybrid where
maybe we provide the Marble Public Schools provides the daytime, you know, actual preK or whatever curriculum and then we outsource, you know, from >> 2:00 to 7:00 or something. that's where you have it outsourced whether it's the Y or some other organization that come
in just you know to that's doing child care for those second half of the day >> and that's probably a model that would work for what people need. >> Yeah. And I think so Jen I you know I was using that as an example and uh but I think we have to decide what what we
can actually do and like you said is it going to be revenue neutral you know because I think that's that's obviously a big question for people is how much is this going to cost and I think if we had some plans to to demonstrate how it
would be revenue neutral that might help people understand what we're trying to do. >> Yeah. Well, or revenue I don't a revenue neutral might be aspirational especially if you're talking about building a new building. I mean you you'd be bonding that for 30 years and that you know
paying back tens of millions of dollars but to make it you know it could be operating budget revenue neutral or it could be even if it just generated some revenue you know that I think would be import certainly be important I'm sure to the taxpayers of Marblehead
>> right we could at least say well here's how here's how we're offsetting that initial construction >> I think I think to take a yeah I mean I think it would have to be at least revenue producing to fund the staffing Yeah, >> because otherwise addition to our bottom line >> operating budget.
>> Yeah, I think the construction would not be and that's you know and but but you're building an asset to the town so it's like it's not there's value to to to that but you know we end up with the building. So, >> and I think having people understand how
much it might cost because again a lot of people were saying affordability was a question and I I think we're talking about revenue but we also want to keep cost down because that's what people are interested in. So, I think, you know, someone mentioned here they're paying
$15,000 a year and it would be I think people need to understand it better, but this survey definitely demonstrated that it's worth exploring further. To me, that's what I'm reading from this.
>> John, do you think there's any value in having any kind of discussion with the YMCA at this point or is it premature? Um, well, I know that the YMC is always looking for extra space because we've had that conversation. Um, so I I I would think if I'm a crystal ball if if
we fast forward and had a building and space available to them, I think they jump on in a heartbeat to be honest with you. >> Well, I'm suggesting even more like you never know where this is something they might want to actually partner with us on. >> Oh, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Um, >> you know, in terms of construction, I don't know. I I just, you know, >> it's definitely worth worth having a
conversation. I mean it might be a I mean might not be early. Maybe they have some other ideas because you know and I say that know it's saying you know they're looking for space but they may not be looking for like preschool space. So I mean that >> can we ask you to have that conversation maybe just reach out or whoever's
contact Lisa Marie whoever has contact with them >> just kind of just let them know this is what we're thinking about. Do you do you have any thoughts? >> It would be I assume their director they must have an early education director or some or it something. Yeah, that >> we actually have a meeting with them later today.
>> Okay. >> Oh. Oh, that would be great, Lisa Marie, just to see like just to plan a, you know, kind of plan a bug with them. Um, whoever their decision makers are um and to run it up the flag pole because you never know. I mean, they may be like, "We need space for X, Y, and Z, and they could be in a position to partner with
us on actual construction." Who knows, >> right? Right. >> I don't even know how that would work, but you just you never know. what they don't have is more space >> and I think too what we want to do is
you know we have the financial piece of it but we would have to talk about the worldclass education that the kids would be getting >> right yes what you pay for >> yes >> yeah um okay so one thing is there'll be
a conversation with the Y just and I wonder about the J the J as well but maybe we just start with the because I think the JCC offers after school care as well. I'm not sure actually. >> Yeah. So I think I think we had the conversation with Y just to see if there's interest. We still we would
still have to do an RFP and they'd have to bid on it anyway. So >> yeah. And they are already in our school. So that's why >> yeah and you know I mean at that point if we if we did say okay we're going to move forward and do an RFP then you know obviously the Y and whoever else might want to put that. So, >> um, what about an additional, just to
kind of wrap this up with a bow, additional, um, surveying? Do we think that makes sense at this point? >> I think we need to have more of a proposal at the like to get better feedback at
like I think that >> point of feedback. >> Yeah. because because this this feedback I I keep reading these responses cuz I think they're they're really informative and fantastic, but they are sort of all over the map. And I think if we came back and said we're focused on
affordability and and you know making this work for working parents or you know whatever we're focusing on, I think it would help to get some we're going to need that to get additional feedback. Okay.
>> So, >> all right. How do we do that? >> How do we do that? I mean, >> well, I guess one one thing we could do um is I'm just curious if there's any models out there. I mean, John or at
least me, is there a way I mean, is there a list serve or something that we could find out like if there are models out there that of other districts we could just talk to or I'm willing to make >> childhood center specifically? >> Yeah. >> Uh, yes. Like I know Wilmington Public
Schools, that's where I used to work. They have um an early childhood center. They used to have two um but one the building it wasn't up to code so they had to close one of them but there is >> one it's a nine classroom they provide before and after school programming
>> you know it's got it's the it's the seven to seven or seven >> is this Mike >> Wakefield has one the Doyle school so other communities have them >> it's just like what what do they look like who staffs it um is it partnerships with like things like the wire there's
other afterchool program companies that come in and maybe >> it's that three to five three three to five year old it doesn't get the toddlers and the in the what some of these comments are I need full day two working parents >> you know myself as a parent we put our
ch children in in child care >> we did not go the public school route because the hours weren't accommodating >> um vacation weeks there was just there was so many things holidays vacation weeks holidays we didn't get the school district got there was just so the
obstacles to not go the public route >> that we went private um which is expensive right I mean >> right so I've seen examples in previous districts where they have like a cares program after school so you hire a cares
coordinator and mostly um it was IAS from the district who came and they got paid and there was like lo different locations and then there's like different programs like Alphabest and >> um the Y and those types of programs
also that were utilized, but they came into the school setting um to help with cuts down the transportation cost. >> I think the on my on my comment about why we did it. The other thing is we our kids were in preschool at the age of one
year, three months or something like that. We weren't going to pull them out of their preschool, their daycare to put them in somewhere else. They were already >> established >> established. they were familiar with that. I'm I'm I'm just not sure how many families would and and maybe that's part of a future survey is yeah, if you're
using child care for till age three, would you be willing to move them out of age three at age three into a public environment? >> I think it's the the toughest crowd I think to accommodate is are the people who need more extended daycare for working hours. That's that's the most
challenging thing for us. John, do you think it's worth developing this plan a little further based on this feedback? >> Yeah, I think we can have we can have uh administrative conversations about, you know, because we can talk to the principles too who have preschools in
their in their in their schools already and say like what are the what are the some of the challenges? What are we hearing from the, you know, from staff or, you know, because I think getting some of their input too will help drive the conversation. say, well, you know, hey, if if my preschool had this, this, and this, I think we'd have more kids,
and maybe that's how we kind of start formulating an early childhood center around some of that feedback, too. So, >> just do you want or other >> Yeah. >> district. >> Yeah. At that, too. Y >> So, that would help drive maybe a more
detailed proposal to use your word, Henry, that we could then more maybe robustly, is that a word? wasn't um try to survey the community um on their thoughts with a more defined explanation of what we're more clear
proposal. >> Um do you want me to help with that, John or Lisa Marie to do any kind of >> Let's let's have some conversations first and then we'll go and then we'll circle back and then see see where we need to go and what steps >> I mean I'm willing to call districts and
get gather information, you know, that sort of stuff. the kind of ground that you think. >> Yeah. Let's let let Lisa Marie and I have a a more in-depth conversation and see what you know I can tap tap into. >> Yeah. Just to just because I know you guys are all busy to add more stuff to your day. So you're not a busy Jen at
all. No, I know that's what I mean. Like so I can make phone calls and do emails and you know gather information. >> That was me being funny because you are so busy. >> No, but you are busy her. Um okay. So, so we're now scheduled to meet uh Janu
in January. Um, so maybe that will we can put that on the next agenda. >> Yeah, let's do that. Let's put that on the next agenda. That'll give us a little bit of time because you know December is like literally 15 school days, right, of December. So already it's already a little tight and we have >> I honestly just kind of thinking more long term. Henry, I don't know your
thoughts. I you know I think that you know maybe idea is that by the end of the school year you know we have something in you know in place for how we're going to make this determination for the yellow school. Does that make sense? Like I don't I don't think we're going to necessarily have the answer but
we should have a plan. Um and and you know and maybe it takes us until the spring to really come out with this proposal and get a robust survey and then get it back and then say from that information. Okay. Yeah, because I think I think we have to be Yeah, we have to be mindful of the other conversations
that are happening around, you know, budget and and everything else too. And um we don't want to convolute things too much, but we also don't want to like push it out so far that now we miss an opportunity that possibly like if we, for instance, we need to get a feasibility study on books for a war article or something like that. We want
to make sure we have at least some information that maybe give us um information so that we could do that if we needed to. But I think January is right around the warrant article stuff. So >> yeah, possibly next meeting. I don't have it on my calendar. >> I'll send it out, but I think it's the
first Tuesday. >> The first Tuesday is January 6th. So just um yeah, just keep that in mind. I also wonder whether a feasibility study could be considered a capital expense. I don't know. >> Yeah, that's what I was leaning towards. Yeah. >> Right. So if we Yeah. So if we end up
doing some sort if we were to do our own capital, which we might our own capital um request for uh on the Warren article for its own ballot question, it could it could potentially be included in there.
>> Yeah. And I think what we mentioned in the last meeting was if this survey came back as a strong negative response that we would get a warrant article to return the property. Um and I don't think we have that strong negative response to to get that.
>> No. And I also think I mean so here's you know my thought on that is that you know even the 75 wouldn't to me necessarily be enough to go forward with that. I think we just need to be I think we just need we are demonstrating we're doing our due diligence to determine whether we have an educational need for
this building or not. It may take us time to do that and when you have one annual town meeting it's hard to you know it's it you you if we don't have this done by May you know you you you miss it for a year but the good news is the building is being used. I mean it's that's that's important for everyone to
know. Um the building is currently being used. Um and we have an obligation but I think you know within the next you know one to two town meetings we're going to need to we're going to need to come forward with what our plans are. >> Yeah.
or lack thereof. So, >> okay, sounds good. >> Sounds good. Yeah. >> Um Okay, I'll make a is that I'll make a motion. >> The only thing I would say, Henry, is on Thursday night, one or both of us can just I think give an update. Um well, we will obviously on this, but I think to
brief the committee, um I'd like to be able to share your presentation, Lisa Marie. >> Yes. >> I'm sorry, I won't be there because I'm at a conference uh starting tomorrow. >> Okay. I won't be at school committee, but please share whatever you'd like. >> Did you Did you send that PowerPoint
out? Okay, thank you. >> I think we can just put it in the Google Drive. I don't we necessarily know that we need to present it, Henry. I the interest of time, but it's available for the public and certainly for the committee members to take a look at and we can just say, you know, this is what we heard back and we're, you know, we're
we're taking the next steps. >> That makes sense. I think we can share some of the >> Mike's Mike's gonna drop it in the box right now. So, it's in there. I mean listen the committee may you and I are minority the majority of the committee may have very strong feelings in another direction and that will also help us get
their when we get their feedback. >> Sounds good. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um okay. So I made a motion to adjourn in the time that >> second. >> Um okay. Um, Jen
>> in favor. >> Mike, >> I don't know that. >> I don't think Mike's a voting member. >> Oh, okay then. Just you and um in favor. Okay. >> So, adjourns at 9:46. Motion >> to adjourn at 9:46. >> Thank you. Thanks everyone. Thanks
again. Bye.