##VIDEO ID:_9II87UrzAU## right yeah right is there anybody here that needs to okay but I'm going to call us to order at um at 6:04 um just one second I don't think I I'm pause recording um but I'm live stream Frank so think I'm okay or do I need to un or do I need to unpause pa pa can you just put your volume on down exit out thank you thanks welcome everyone sorry for the we had a couple of technical issues welcome everyone um to maret school committee uh I want to thank everyone for joining us online in in person um the first thing we're going to do is Pledge of Allegiance Brian would you lead us in the pledge I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for thank you um I'm going to go into accommodations before I open it up to commendations I just wanted to um um give a moment um of silence in a moment for our former principal and guidance counselor liy Moore was Moore long time um and beloved member of our staff and our team here um liby passed away late last month and um I I had worked with Libby but I had also seen that she had I think a 28-year career with us so it was really an amazing amazing career she was a guidance counc and then most recently had retire served and retired as um principal at the marble Hood veterans Middle School she was also an amazing Community member she gave of U herself in so many ways um will be will be missed um I did speak to principal Fox and um there are no plans at this moment they'll let us know um and that um um he'll let the committee know I would like to ask the committee before we do a moment if I have your approval to send a letter of condolence to the family on behalf of yes please y thank you so if we could just give a quick moment in memory of thank you everyone appreciate that um any other accommodations I wanted to give accommodation to Tyler her who received his Eagle court of honor this past weekend as many of you know Tyler um his Eagle Scout project was the greenhouse at the Marvel head high school um he had started off looking to fund raise $75,000 to build that Greenhouse ultimately wound up being a $100,000 project it was um absolutely amazing to watch him throughout the process many people as as I saw him at various funraising events um would would say do you think this is a little too ambitious and Tyler never wavered in his commitment to this project and he was able to achieve it and it's a wonderful gift to the Marblehead schools It's a Wonderful accomplishment and I just wanted to commend him on receiving his evil court of honor this week conratulations any other combinations okay um we can move on now to public comment let's start with the folks here in the room do anyone here like to make a comment okay um sure okay um anybody online you would need to raise your hand double check I don't see any hands raised Frank do you see anybody with a hand raised I do not no okay moving on to our student representative welcome Ella Bena welcome you C January 9 thanks for coming out of course hi everyone classes have started back up for the New Year and have been going very smoothly the senior show is this Sunday January 12th at 3M tickets are $20 for students and 25 for non-students the varsity girls basketball team is playing at TD Garden this Saturday at 11:30 which is very exciting the musical this year will be Hades town and auditions will be held on January 15th at 3 p.m. parent you're book dedications are due February 15th and most seniors have submitted all their college applications and the FAA is now open and finally Junior seminars are beginning next week and there's a junior parent Guardian night on Wednesday January 15th at 6m thank you thank Youk you very much just for people who might not know Ella if people want to get tickets ahead of time for the TV Bank North game um is that available online or did you just buy them at the door um I'm not entirely sure but I think online thank you um okay we're GNA move on to uh District updates from superintendent robt thank you um I think that's the yeah amplifier right that's fine very loud um sry good evening I have several items to share with you tonight um firstly we have established a joint committee for school safety which is composed of up to 10 union members and up to 10 administrators we met today for our first meeting and discussed a plethora of items and I'm pleased with the collaboration um which is important to ensure that the district is supporting students and staff in ways that promote success uh the committee will meet in Whatever frequency is determined by the committee and we'll present a joint uh presentation of school committee this spring it was it was really vibrant meeting today was a lot of good input a lot of good discussion so I was really excited about how our first meeting went um thanks to Sally for co-chairing with me um it was it was nice collaboration one second can you just out than um can you just BR me and make sure you we get plenty of time for when you want that like if it's going to be on a March or April make sure we get up for sure for sure um we also created a joint labor committee um whose primary responsibility will be to review and update the educator evaluation process as well as address items that are related to the contract language Etc that committee will be under shortly I'm was chaired by Julia um and a similarly proposed of Administrators and union members so there collaboration across the district so we're very excited about both those committees being in place um it opens up Communication in a in hopefully a positive way um for everybody so that's great um I was asked to kind of give an update on the independent investigation regards the anti-Semitism um it's still transpiring and I just want to share the timeline for the completion is has been a bit longer than we all anticipated but due to several factors so one was we really couldn't start the um the investigation till school started there was a lot of Staff members that were involved with the initial um interviews Etc so that so that back a couple bit didn't start in ear till September um there were many attorneys that got involved um in the discussion which any tell there's attorneys involved that kind of delays um delays the process a little bit uh and then you know obviously with the it uh that I some things bit so I just want to share that um as the interviews have transpired I've been in touch with Alison Kirker in an ongoing way um she's um had me introduce her to several staff members and get her in touch with former staff members um to do the interviews and clearly anytime there's interviews going on and there's conversations it's like oh maybe you should talk to this person you should come talk to that person so it's kind of like give M scenario here where you know things are kind of um continue to uh um elicit more uh feedback and um from different people for the interview so I'm hopeful that I'll have a report that will be short uh for me shortly I update the committee when that's done um we're also in the process of creating um and this is a working title um we had a meeting the other day um in regard to um you know doing something around um task force regard antisemitism which was something we talked about initially when had the the A4 mention investigation started um working title I'm kind of working on as more of anti-discrimination committee I I'm not a big lover of task force I'm not not necessarily unmarried to it but um the initial Focus be you obviously on the anti-Semitism um the need for extra attention establishing ways to combat discrimination specifically anti-Semitism um anti-racist Behavior action and ongoing review of curricular materials has been evident um and we need to move forward proactively rather than reactively um so I think this committee be um established it'll be composed of parents Educators administra Administration and students with the initial Focus being on um an semitism will invite local rabbis or Rabbi rabbis on we had Rabbi Yoshi meeting from swam Scott the other day so he want to kind of give his um professional input into viewing some of the curricular materials for for some of the biases which I thought was really helpful um I Envision the committee being fluid in order to identify and address discrimination and its many forms but again the initial Focus again combating anti-Semitism um which is very important for us Marblehead we hope to include um as as an outcome of the committee's PD for professional development for parents for staff for students review curricular material with the lens of anti-Semitism um for specific biases and establish more fluid reporting mechanisms and alost Reporting mechanisms um so the collaboration community ation be key I'm also you know I'm excited about this committee because I think it's important with the climate that we have currently and I think it it'll um you know lend itself to some rich and vibrant discussions as we as we for with the committee I think the task was to get the committee kind of in um set up and move forward by the end of January um I've already had preliminary conversations with our admin team for input into the they feel um either in their schools or themselves or maybe some specific parents that they thought might be um willing to be on the committee so I'll follow up with the committee about this committee about that committee um as we um we have some a Sarah had a question oh sorry I said that not very long before our meeting um there is an opportunity for a PD experience it talks um it's it's a film series that work that talks about um anti-Semitism and things like that I know I believe Matt coxon outed some of his staff yesterday as an opportunity I was asked to for it on to the committee something um that is open to school committees as well and I think Julia you were on mail I said to John and I think I included you but not John P forward it on um and I was just asked you know bring it to everybody's attention that it it is an opportunity thank you yeah I saw that L afterno it was really it was right before I yeah so I me to send it yesterday apologize yeah look at that I think um obiously any Ed opportunity that made sense and that are accessible I think it said it was free it was free that's always um it is it's obviously a full day commitment um and it's happening soon yeah so I'll I'll review that in the morning I'll send that folks for sure but thank you for sharing that um so the district uh six Deca compet um District Six Deca competitions were held um on January 7 is this one if that's too loud we can try unplugging it as long as you guys can still hear we just want to make sure everyone hear uh yeah that might be but can you guys hear you guys hear I can speak loudly from there but I moved further away please sorry it's just really distracting yeah it is it's yeah like we're having some audio issues here in the room folks online so just bear with us in a moment here right I guess we're okay all right so let me start over again District Six Deca competitions were held on January 7th by by Paul gleon um and here's the list of the results if you bear with me for a second as the list is extensive but I think it's important to read um celebrating many of our students uh so we let's see Marblehead High School is among 14 area schools that completed competed in the DECA district 6 Career Development conference yesterday and one oh yesterday being the 7th Tuesday and won the third highest number of qualifying events overall which is really congratulations to all MHS students who attended the conference especially students below and qualified to compete at the state conference in March that's from Paul um and he lists um several several students um and I apologize ahead of time if I say their names wrong but I'm going to do my best Anthony first place financial consulting Thomas Conway first place automotive services Eva Lam second place apparel and accessories Cole barvo bar second place uh sports and entertainment marketing Ivana Gan second place Community giving project Gary hust love sorry second place human resour I did practice these before to didn't help did it um Human Resource Management David Albert second place integrated marketing campaign Pro product Avery Weiser uh third place principles of Entrepreneurship Kate Cole third place principles of marketing Rebecca man Fourth Place restaurant and food service management Lauren Lou fourth place career development project Caleb Sidman fourth place principles of business Mark management sorry Tucker crane fourth place integrated marketing campaign product Nate Johnson fifth place in integrated marketing campaign service and there was some teams of Tatum ereck and Maddie Ferris first place in entrepreneurship Olivia Goldwater and Ariel con first place marketing management Dylan Gilmore and H in Moss second place sports and entertainment marketing Eliza K and Sydney Woodard second place buying and Merchandising Harry Robbins and Eden Bey second place financial literacy Isaac brenman and Caleb Mar miam fourth place Financial Services anen krook shank and Eva Salem fourth place Community awareness Sean henan and Luke Miller fifth place sales project so that's huge I think that's that's great showing for our students and I appreciate their their um attendance and calls our leadership in that role so thank you Mark Tomy and Kent wheeler have provided me the atics update so boys basketball is 3 and3 girls basketball is 3 and2 boys ice hockey is 711 so far um girls ice hockey it's 0 and four gymnastics is 0 and one swim dive team is 2 and0 wrestling is three and one girls track is two 0 and one and boys track is one and two so the overall record as of 925 is 2114 and2 which is 60 winning percentage girls basketball as had mentioned is playing Saturday at TD Garden at 11:30 tickets are still available at the MHS Athletics website coaches um CPR and AED training is on 1116 at 5:00 pm MHS Auditorium open to staff um next meeting of cap leadership house scheduled for 23 so I just want to share that um and then the last thing magic had is celebrating their 20 years and over $2 million in donations from rhead public schools um they will be celebrating this m Milestone on February 2nd from 5 to7 at the Sonic Temple whoos to all have made this so successful over the years and then lastly I'm excited to discuss the agenda later on item regards my stat I have Madam chair yeah many thanks to the magic C 20 years great stuff many thanks to them um okay moving on to consent agenda schedule bills is um um tabled as the um likeing had indicated it was only one who's going to table it till the next meeting so we don't have that I apologize I didn't take it off the agenda um I just didn't amend theend um we have meeting minutes that uh to approve we have two um draft minutes from the December 5th 2024 meeting and December 19th 2024 meeting I get a motion to approve um the minutes for 12524 move move by mooved by Allison second second by Sarah um any question questions concerns discussion okay um ask for vote Al Williams in favor in favor in favor and then I'm looking for a motion for a motion to approve the minutes of 129 the meeting of 12192 24 some Now list second and any questions yeah it had me as a member of that meeting and I was not attend oh as yeah and so you can't so I'll up state but I just wanted to make sure that that it is made not attending the meeting y um did you check I'll go go back and check on the votes to make sure that the vote I think the votes correct the numbers okay I think it was just my name at the top okay and actually you I think you technically came it's just um uh I'll take a [Music] vote Alison Taylor favor in favor four Z okay that is it for our 10 agenda items we'll move on to school committee communication and discussion items um we have um presentation for the mcast high needs overview e discoveries review from assistant superintendent um believe welcome thank you so much for having me here this evening appreciate it Julie if you want to be able to see that actually is waiting for the right time do you have this um FR you have the a little signal across the so first of all thank you you to the school committee for inviting me to come uh this evening to present um some mcast data that is um a continuation of a wonderful presentation done by assistant superintendent Perera I'd also like to thank superintendent Robo superintendent ferera as well as superintendent um perfing for all their support and working together it's a great time to be here in Marblehead um and then a special thanks to Victoria Ryan who's my assistant director who's on Zoom she's paying attention to us out there uh kathen gson my executive assistants the team chairs the staff um and the building admin it's been really like gratifying to dig into this work together um since the start of the year to help move uh the needle for our students here uh in Marblehead so uh today uh tonight the presentation is understanding mcast data for students 2024 for analyzing the impact of um our high needs Learners so just as the overview um just to make sure everyone has the same knowledge base as we enter uh into the presentation so just the overview is the role of mcast which is to evaluate academic performance uh the data provides Educators with another data point the only data point but a data point to tailor instruction and really be able to look at student indiv idual needs as well as their strengths uh and weaknesses um and it helps us to delve into the data which um superent fera had talked about last time about the data groups coming together um and in this particular case looking at the subgroups um as I'm doing here tonight and to ensure that all all all students are getting an equitable education here within the Marvel head public schools and so just defining terms um mcast stands for a Massachusetts comprehensive assessment system uh we currently measure uh English language arts math science technology and now Civics as well and just to review the scoring categories before I jump into lots and lots of data um so I also colorcoded the words to match the bar graphs that are coming up so red if you see red and uh you know maroon and the E is exceeding expectations green m is meeting expectations PM is partially meeting expectations and that bar will be yellow and then uh the bright red is NM which is not meeting expectation I I'm surprised that you colorcoded it and then what's that I'm surprised that you colorcoded it um and then talking about the naming categories um that were talking about tonight so all students that category is the number of students um throughout the district who actually took the mcast test and that would occur in grades three through 10 and then High need students what um there are three groups that fall under that umbrella and students with disabilities are English language Learners and and our uh lowincome um students with low income backgrounds so I just wanted to Define all that as we um before we jump right into all of the data I have question um my assumption is that students are allowed to keep the M native language uh they're not no so an English language learner would be taking it in yes but there are some um your domain but there are some accommodations especially for our year one uh English language Learners so um they take the test and it get gives us information but it doesn't necessarily count towards the greaters yeah okay um on this slide is answering a question from the last school committee meeting about like what are how many students are we talking about what are the numbers and so these are our numbers for uh last spring 2024 so looking at all students in ela uh 1356 students took the mcast test in math it was 1362 students students in science technology was 574 students and then we break it down into of all of those students how many of them are high needs so in ela there was uh 564 in math there were 565 Science and Technology was 153 and then broke down further into the three groups that come underneath um High Neath students so lowincome students was 192 students in ela 191 students in math 51 students in science and technology under students with disabilities we had 33 students in both Ela and Math Science and Technology there were 79 students and remember uh science and technology is grades um five eight and 10 and then under English language Learners we had 69 students taking it under Ela 71 in math and 23 in science and techn ology yese of time to everything I always have all questions we do data stff um is there over like when that that number up up above for like math 565 do you get counted once for every column you land in so or yes you get counted once for every class so so it might be that the actual individual students is lower than that okay because otherwise it's like 44% of our population that I need yeah right okay yeah okay do you have a percentage of how many overall kids are high needs versus because this this makes it a little muddy with but when we get into the data there's lot lot now we're going to jump right into the data um it's a lot here but what this uh graphic shows is all students compared to the high need students um for ELA in 20 in the spring of 2024 and so how you read the graph is again here's my color coding so the blue is um exceeding the green is meeting yellow is partially meeting and red is not meeting and in the First Column you can read it by the bar graph or you can read it by the Numbers directly underneath so the First Column says grade three meaning all students and that all students does include those same High need students that are separated out in the second column where it says grade three hn High needs and so um I'm not going to go into the Wheats too much but I'm just going to give some observations about each slide and so in looking at this data what we noticed was that the U majority of our students are in our high need students are in the partially meeting category so that leads us to say who are these exact students um um in in uh The partially meeting and what we discovered is we had many students not not they're all high needs but not all um special uh needs students that were very much on the cusp meaning uh if they got one or two or possibly three more questions correct they would have been in meeting so um I I just wanted to share that because it is a trend if you look across the board at all of our high KN numbers um that they are they quite high so it's interesting because some Trends are similar to what we saw in the all students categories that were presented a couple weeks ago but something different here is it looks like six and seventh grade high needs have the highest percentage not meeting yes true at the state level as well we're gonna get to that I'll just I'll just ask wa till I get through all the data I I literally answered all of your questions from the last meeting presentation thank so no it's okay it's fine I like questions um so the next slide is math and quite honestly it's basically the same exact Trend that you see and you can look at the bars you know to to notice that our high need students um have a larger percentage percentage partially meeting or not meeting um but it's important to note that there are significant number of students who are on the cusp and I'll talk about like what do we do about that as we continue on and then the next slide was Science and Technology um and again um same same sort of trend although if you look at the 10th grade high needs in science for meeting expectations 37% um that that is a great percentage uh they comparatively speaking okay so on the next slide it was asked about you know how do we look compared to the state and so um on this slide here we're g to kind of go um uh data table by data table so the top row it are um grades 3 through eight High kn needs Ela math and uh science technology and science technology is only grades five and eight when looking at Ela uh comparing us to the trends of the state our uh 2024 is comparable roughly about the same measure as the state whereas uh 22 and 23 our students are slightly higher uh in the state in terms of um their achievement when we look at math 2024 again is pretty comparable to the state for our high need students in math and 23 and uh years 23 and 22 were between three and 5% um percentage points better uh average than the state and then when we come over to uh science technology again 2024 seemed to be like pretty terrible year right across the board uh for grades three uh through eight and in the years of uh 23 and 22 there's a significant difference um between 11 and 2% better than the state average on those samees on those same tests below it is grade 10 high needs and so when looking at um the grade 10 high needs for ELA um our student did a nice job in terms of um we have uh 10 to 11 uh percent um decrease from the state in terms of not meeting expectations which is a great Trend to have um also in 20124 we are three percentage points above exceeding for our high needs um compared to the state in math um again for all three years we have between a six and 8% percentage um decrease from the state on our not meeting um and the the other scores um with some exceptions in the Mee and category remain about on par and then looking over at science and technology so there there is not there is uh not comparable information for 2022 because we were still doing the Legacy the old version of the um science technology testing but in the Years uh 24 and 23 um we we exceeded uh the state expectation and Civic is that new that's why it's not on okay so then we broke it down into the high needs groups and so um this looks it same but it's not this is special education um and the great news looking here uh kudos to our staff and all the hard work they've been doing um for ELA math and science technology if you look at the not meeting we we out we outscored the state uh our Trend uh for not meeting better uh than that state historically across there does that mean there's we're done no that means we have a lot of work to do but it's showing that we're moving we're trending in the correct direction and that our students maybe are moving from the not meeting to The partially meeting to the meeting category um so that was encouraging When comparing us uh to the state um in 2024 uh math grade 10 uh will be an area Focus um however we are following the same Trend as the state um and so that leads us to questions about was the test harder were the questions truly aligned to the standards um you know what is what is our curriculum look like but because we're seeing a similar similarity with the state um it leads us more to like looking at the vocabulary maybe and the and the test questions um and then also in comparing um these scores and I know like the students behind the numbers and looking at their IEPs and do they reflect you know what we're seeing here I'm happy to say that we're getting better and better at aligning our IEPs to the goals um towards the standards um and that they are aligned to the to to the standards okay the next slide is our uh lowincome Group which is part of the high needs population um in 2024 more students are not meeting for ELA and math in grades 3 to eight so again there's that that great Trend that we're shifting over to the partially meeting meeting and I think part of that is um if I had to predict not being here um and talking with assistant superintendent ferreras like the m PSS work that's been going on the new curriculum updates you know the professional development being done with the staff and the implementation um uh uh with the staff I hear a lot about wit and wisdom and how it really is supporting our our um special needs um and our high needs students um and then looking down at grade 10 in ela and math uh less students in 2024 not meeting than in 2023 so look at that we had 25 students not meeting in 2023 and um it's dropped down to nine um it is a different group of kids but I think that it says something and it'll be interesting to see if this trend you know continues because then that um would give us some evidence to say that our curriculum is working and kids are um um able to utilize it conceptually all right um so there was a question about comparable districts and so um online there the dart it's a public uh website anyone can go on to compare districts to one another and um uh what happens is it takes 10 communities and aligns it to Marblehead public schools for example to say like you have the similar demographics and so we're going to compare your outcomes to each other um for me I I felt like um five of the communities that are listed up here were really close in demographics and the other five were not they're much but bigger districts I happen to know one of the districts intimately and you know and there's so much more Behind These numbers and what these numbers tell but I thought it was important that um we we share this information um with you all so the districts that were um on the dart and comparative would be Bedford Long Meadow cha and Newberry for and on this chart here I just shared with you like what is their enrollment what is their percentage of lowi income what is their percentage of students with disabilities and what is the percentage of English language Learners so those are the three categories of our high needs groups and as you can see we're um pretty close um percentage wise um some outliers for example Long Meadow English language Learners um and even nooba but it was in two out of the three categories so again defining terms um before we dive in so we'll be looking at the student growth percentiles over the SGP a student growth percentile measures the students progress on mcast comparing them to their own progress and the progress of other students with the similar uh mcast performance history and the sgps range from 1 to 99 with an average being 40 to 60 um uh points is that an average for all or all across the state so um on this slide here just to give a little lay at the land so this slide here is uh the years uh 2024 through 2022 Ela grades 3 through 8 in our high need subgroup down the bottom is the color code key of the districts I just shared with you and and then we also added the state which is in purple and on all the slides Marvel head is red so to make us like pop out and stand out you to be able to read the chart easier so the bars line in order of the uh community ities down the bottom and the years go by 24 23 22 left to right um and at the top of each bar is the actual SGP score for that Community for that year um for ELA and so as you just visually looking at it you can see that we are pretty much on par with the other communities that have similar demographics um to us uh in 2023 uh we actually have the highest SGP of 52.2 um but across the board uh our sgps are within that 40 to 60 average growth range which is right where we want to be okay the next slide is uh High needs grades three through eight math and in 24 uh 23 and 24 again we have the highest SGP compared to the comparable communities um and across the board again in math for grades three through eight we are within the average range of growth of our students between that 40 and 60 and the other uh noticing here is um our student growth percentile grew each year in math got stronger and stronger the next slide is high needs grade 10 Ela um here we see that there was um a steady decline in math uh I mean I'm sorry in ela um for Marblehead Public Schools um that this is the only time in 2024 where our SGP fell to 33.6 which is slightly below the average growth measure um however the other two years with within the um average L uh range um I know that it was discussed that it's since sist superintendent forer and I uh we not working in silos we'll be talking about like why do we think that is um it's hard for me to I won't speculate right now because I I wasn't here and it could also be like an outlier um but I did want to just bring some attention to that good news is new be board who out everybody else we now have their special this is hard I didn't want to put there because I was like I'm basically toing myself on here but um as you should we see those Reds going up yeah yeah absolutely absolutely um and then on the next slide is grade 10 so I just need to grab a little water our high need subgroup grade 10 math um you can see uh looking here that you know we're within the average range there's you know definite room for us to look and grow because again look at the SGP is 41.5 for 2024 for math so it says something uh there that we just need to delve into and more forward okay so um we're GNA get into some challenges um and these are just this is just a short list um we really like love to dig into the data but I just would wanted to say so a large number of our students um in the particularly meeting category on the cusp as I said before of meeting expectations so um as I stated before we're going to be targeting this group of students using mtss as well as direct explicit instruction um and this will be an area of focus for us uh currently grades three through eight High needs um Marvel head public school students and grades three through eight in the state High needs subgroups are achieving similar percentages in all scoring categories uh and our high needs uh grade 10 subgroup um their sqp needs further investigation as to why the 10th graders are not growing at the same rate as grades three through eight so those are just some of the the things what we pulling out positives uh grades 3 through 10 are far above the state average and being able to answer uh the select response questions constructed response questions and essays in all language domains so um collected response questions would be like multiple choice constructive response is like um digitally uh the students have to like maybe put a story in order so they move they have to manipulate things on the screen and the essays are just what you think they are their written essays um usually based off a story so that was exciting to see that in all three areas our students um are are doing well uh eighth grade high need students were between eight and 16 percentage points higher in all math domains with one exception that was real world mathematical word problems in Geometry which was like two percentage points uh less so I didn't want to take that from them um in presenting because that their masss are pretty impressive across the board the uh third grade eighth grade and 10th grade had high percentage of students in the high need subgroup exceeding or meeting expectations for ELA in 2024 um and the high needs special education um lowi income subgroups in the area ma of math uh all had average to above average student growth which is nice to see so then it leads us to like what is the impact and what's what is holistic approach of services that we will be taking so the impact on students is um that the student Support Services is critical for enhancing students performance uh really individualize and addressing any barriers that we might buy to their learning um that we're tailoring interventions to support the needs of the students um and that will lead to significant improvements for um all students but particularly right now we're talking about our high need students so how is that being done um as discussed at the last meeting there are teacher leaders um who are supporting their grade level teams um doing in-depth data analysis which is happening in the district um looking at high quality uh curriculum materials including our new literacy program and and math program and uh the impacts of those pieces and then in terms of services um what are the outcomes that are going to positively influence um uh the targeted support we are providing not only on assessments but the carryover conceptually into um other standards and other grades and that's building the confidence of our students and letting them see their own growth um as they continue to learn um for what might be for our high need students challenging environment um both in inside and outside the classroom so uh looking at professional development specialized instruction and multi-tiered uh systems of support and then what successes sorry give you that um and what successes so personalized learning experiences um so for students on IEPs uh staff are working on um more measurable goals they do great goals but more measurable goals based on um several different pieces of Baseline data and improving the targeted instruction and the data colle collection um so that's something that we are certainly working on together um improv compliance and procedes or special education timelines and processes to support students in their needs so at this point I would love to share that uh we received a letter um from the Department of Education about our corrective action plan the six areas that we were found um non-compliant and they have um approved us as being compliant in all six areas that's schedule is that's way ahead of schedule yes this is supposed to continue to do progress reports till June uh 2025 but they said they came they pulled our files they talked you know talked to us and saw all our systems in place and the hard work that the staff and team chairs are doing and so um yeah they approved us and this is all a direct result just so clear this is all a direct result of all of the the hearts that you've done with your team and with the chairs Etc I just want to make sure everybody's 100% clear on that very clear since July 1 truly I appreciate that te effort as a former special ed director how um how huge a task that is to get to a point where we had you know presented it to to desie and they only came back one time with like hey we need do this it's usually months and months and months of corrective action corrective action corrective action and I've lived and breath that in the past and to say that you do that that quickly in this short amount of time with your staff and some more of the te chairs and special Educators is is huge and it's I can't sure enough you did a really great job so thank you thank you for the really it's for the students you know it's a very deal really big thank you so much I mean I just love this staff because they're basically like tell us what we need to do we want to dig in and we said okay here you go this is what we need to do um and I'm not going to say it's per perect we you know there bumps in the road but um the systems are there and and the staff and the team chairs are really implementing them so it's best for kids and D family so we're happy thank you guys and St and teachers yes everybody it's good for everybody and we have some systems um so readjusting our district programming instruction and program definitions to meet the needs of our various Learners within a cohort and professional development targeting that so uh we have contracted with landmark mark and um outreach program and so lenmark will have their um third visit to the district next week where we're observing our language based settings and you know just gathering information and feedback and then we're going to be um having sessions throughout the remainder of the year with our not only our special ed staff but with our general Ed staff will be the kind of like the C- teaching model uh with our uh language based program so we can have a nice rounded program um and we're just going to be talking about you know what are Best Practices like what are we already doing what do we need and those are going to be budget drivers um when you see you see the budget presentation in the next couple of weeks um and then we're doing the same thing with our therapeutic program and our ada8 program where I'm in uh kind of contract negotiations with Athena learning K12 um are they sort of consultants in that in that environment of verus Landmark is on a lang basis they're Consulting to help us with our in District programs wonderful excellent yeah we're really we're really excited about that um and so we're excited to have the staff share the input and then um part of the next one talks about like families so part of this whole revamping or Rebirth of our programs will be inviting parents to give feedback and thoughts and ideas and we've been doing that throughout the year like seeking uh feedback from our families whether it's after a team meeting there a survey Victoria and I also have office hours twice a month um we get lots of emails we love like picking up the phone and calling parents to have those conversations as well and it just helps us all just to you know get better or provide Clarity you know to our community um of what what's happening um and we're also um continuing to provide professional development for our special education staff around um not only the science of reading but a student's reading profile so we have a Reading Tracker and um it has a um I want to say like a core set of gold standard assessments that should be given to identify students if they have a reading difficulty or reading need and it really hones it down into the specific areas of reading where there may be concern and again that ties into our direct instruction um to support the students how they need it it's like not uh one-sized it's all um and so it's going to really inform our our direct instruction me say direct instruction that's from special Educators or regular Educators well generals um what I'm speaking of right now is special education but part of the mtss is you know that tier two level of with our reading Specialists and our math Specialists doing some targeted work as well too with general education yes do you foresee in this not be something that exists because the the testing may not align in the same way it does with reading that what you've done with this reading organizer read reading graphic organizer that you will at some point pull out a similar one for math or is it are they not comparable the hard part about math is that the assessments we currently have do not align to they did not fall in life whatever reason to you know the shift to common core standards and so for example um key math is a good example of that like key math is like a gold standard you know math assessment but it doesn't necessarily have that that strong language component that goes with math to assess it um and and the hard part is everything has to be normed right so you know they have to put it out and trial and Norm it and that takes years so um I would assume that anytime soon someone's going to make a lot of money and create that assessment um but and and when testing with math um it's a little bit more concrete too because the the five domains like we know what they are and so we're able to give various tests to kind of like fill it in but we don't necessarily have a a organizer just yet okay that's not to say we won't and then um engaging families effectively I talked about that a little a little bit already making sure we're involving our parents especially during our IEP meetings or our 504 meetings to understand the student outcomes what do they mean what is the learning environment what's specifically best for their child um having that strong partnership between schools and families um truly encourages um um participation it kind of breaks down those walls of fear and the unknown um so we're we're hoping that we're do doing that and then utilizing Community Resources um and programs to kind of enhance our learning together and um we've been working with our amazing CPAC and we had a meeting today actually and you know we couldn't feel more supported and we really just appreciate their feedback uh as well too so that is part that is the presentation I have other things to say but that's the presentation question SAR yeah goad Sarah um so I did see that there was the fourth and eighth grade where the math had the highest um increases which the eighth grade trended because what we saw last week for the for all students was that eighth grade is really a spot where some something was happen because those were our our best performances on The mcast and you see that with the high need students too so that's just another layer of something happening in that eighth grade right you know I can't wait to hear more about that but what was interesting to me is this fourth grade was the highest as well in the special needs but what we saw for the all students was fourth grade was our hardest year so something's happening really special with those Ed special education students in that fourth grade that they're outperforming with their growth area where the rest of their peers who don't fall onto that high needs are having the the opposite happen so you know from a data perspective that was really powerful for me to see when you look at it on your end can you see the sub does it break it down by subgroup of um not just not just um the three groups you saw but can you see our language B students are having a really hard time in this area so that we can then really Target those interventions by program if there is a commonality yes so um um data like that would involve you know you go in on the student side You' have to individually pick those students and then run a report okay um the the online system that this the state keeps changing it updating it I wish it just leave it alone because I like it better um you used to have something called cubes where you could go in and you could really like manipulate the data and that pieces as far as I know I don't see it on there anymore um but there are different um assessments it's just for me right now it's it's just a little bit of um time okay but we do know like grade level wise like who are the students in each in each category because the other thing um some so just some things that we look for it tends to be a lot of students end up on um IEPs and they have literacy goals but they don't have math goals so our question is always like why let's look at the math data should they also have math and that's not a Marblehead thing that is just you know the focus the heavy Focus has been literacy okay I thought of that as I see here with academic discoveries was there some kind if there was commonality in grade levels and um programming did that match up with with the areas that academic discoveries told us we we had grown potential with various programs so I just didn't know if you go to that deep of a level of the data I I'm just going to be honest I haven't yet with everything that's been going on but that is my that is my uh I love to do I love data I love digging in I love individual kids and then watching them grow because the interventions we place um but I know at the building level you know they're doing a lot of this work too um that you know superintendent Ferrera shared last week like they have their War room and they're in there and they're digging into kids and that's really where it should happen actually I mean it's great for me to know um but it's really great to see it happening at the building level and and being led by teacher leaders and Julia Etc yeah sck and oh okay I just wanted did you have an update on that oh that's I just about to say excellent so um academic discoveries um they're they've almost completed um they were review of The District they are coming back on uh January 31st to do some more observations of classrooms that they did not have a chance to get into um so I'm currently creating that schedule and then we'll be informing the buildings and the staff if they room will be a point of observation and then um uh they had said to me that they're thinking February is when they will um have the report together to to share um with us to review and that would be in a school comme yeah we're g to talk about what the what the report looks like and see what makes the most sense for the venue what that act report says I I surmise that everything heard L is probably more detail or align very well with what they're going to discover academically um but yeah we can talk about that whatever the will of the committee is yeah I just want to make sure the committee all receives the actual full report because this was a report we ordered yes yes um which leads you back to just jump real quick John the other report we ordered was the one on anti-Semitism so that would come to all of us as well and do you have a date if you can tell us later on but if you have a date of when you think we see that I I don't I have to speak with her um Alison again either tomorrow Monday she she literally just had more interviews this week she should be wrapping up like I said every time she's spoken to someone they want they for academic discoveries I I don't want to rush anything but I do feel like it's really important for us to have that before we finalize the budget because there may be really important information that backs up any budgetary drivers yes I'm assuming we'll have both um short bar probably before the end of February anyone else down questions great thank you so much thank you so much for everything than for everything have done amazing and the Educators partip so thank you thank thank you so much awesome um okay we are now moving on to the um proposal for well I don't know if it's to a proposal for discussion of the competency determination yes probably shouldn't have put proposed I don't know if it's okay no I have I have a draft I didn't get into the Dropbox um in time today for you guys to see this I'll pass it out but it it's pretty self explanatory be great um so uh as that's going around uh Julia myself um Michelle Carlson Lindy Donaldson have met a couple times now to talk about what the competency determination would look like for our students and then also what things look like moving forward so what we did was we wrapped up um both the competency determination and our graduation requirements into into a document that I just passed out to you this is just a draft um it's it really encompasses um what we're looking to do moving forward there's some tweaking that needs to happen which is why it's not a full proposal um um Let me let me start at the start and then I'll go through it so the first part at the top is just really um why students um uh what the requirements are for competency determination we as the school district need to decide what that is now that mcast is not utiliz for competency determination and then the school commun need vote on that so on the on the document you have that's that's the narrative at the top and then in the in the middle or towards the bottom third is um basically the options that we term make the most set so option one so basically students in Marvel head Public Schools who are not yet earn their confidency determination through the mcast administration can meet the requirements for compensa determination through the following so there be option one they would need to um in English they would need to receive a passing grade in credit for both English n and 10 in math and need receive a passing grade in credit for both algebra one and geometry and then in science Le needs receive a passive grade in credit for biology and an additional lab science like chemistry or physics th those um requirements are in line with the 2023 mcast which is what the state tells us we need to align our competency determination with so that's that's where those those supports is come um we we looked into X mother schools and and everyone's kind of in the same ballark in the same alignment with that they may have some nuances there were some that said algebra one and Algebra 2 and uh geometry and geometry two um things like that so there some nuances there then when you look at option two there are um actually I believe there's only one student that's been identified at this point that um potentially needs to do a portfolio um in order to um meet the compensa determination this year um so that's the option two in the middle um and we're working with that may not actually need to be not need to happen we we're trying to determine that now but if anyone does need portfolio it's just really um collecting the data and the information to um make sure that they've met the compeny determination in those core in the core subject areas I just mentioned and then in in regard to special education there's the alternative um dcast Al assessment is still in play and that's um that's explaining the right in portfolio you student individual education plans that the team decides need to um be assessed that way through the mcol still um have that potential option and then the rest of the document is just really proposal for um like I said we we're kind of marrying both the uh competency determination and the graduation requirements so the rest is really outlining the current graduation requirements and the ask was that we add in the financial literacy um so we did talk about that and currently we looking for um semester course required for graduation and to select one course listed um in the financial literacy section outline the program St there are a couple um cles that we already have in the program St um that we so they may have a choice that would be say one specific course be one of one of a couple and the reason for that is to make sure that we have give the students opportunity to take those courses within a lot of time before they before they graduate so right now we can't there's Absolut no way that for this year and like up for next year um because we need to make sure that if it's a graduation requirement and students they have to have the opportunity take that course in the in the amount of time they have left in high school so um that's part of what we need to tweak I'm working with Michelle and Lindsay and the guidance Department to see what does that look like what does the time frame look like so I'm going to bring that back to the committee um as part as part of this ongoing discussion and then the last thing that's on your on your page is um just notes um we talked a little bit about when students transfer into Marble Head High School how we address those issues so that's kind of outline there I won't go into overall details now either because we be program studies SE is going to program studies it's going to be kind of a repeat discussion um and she'll be able to speak to it a little bit more specifically and we'll be able to answer some of these questions a little bit with more specificity and it'll make more sense but for tonight's discussion on the compens determination we're looking to utilize the English math The Sciences outlined on the first page as how students need to meet their determination whether it's for those graduation yes so English math science you're saying just pass so that's a d or that's a actually deise so that so that's up from discussion but that's that's realistically what the um the input from the other schools we spoke spoke with or looked into um had that same language where we were trying to replicate some of that knowing that that discuss would come up I have the same I have the same um thought processes that rig are high enough but I think where do you where do you have the cut off right so right now if you pass if you pass Ela and you pass the M pass test you get your high school right so um it's technically a passing grade and then you take that pass in addition to now we don't have the in addition to we have we had we had talked about that we talked about do we think that's something pass gr but um that's St right now do you need to get partially meats or do you need to get Meats I assumed you need to get Meats partially Meats doesn't it's score right it's it's the the numerical score of the family but what does that break down to partially me make it I'm assuming it's parti well it's only meets and exceeds so in my mind an F is not meeting a d is partially meeting and a c is meeting we're not professional Educators no but that's why I'm asking the yeah and clearly that's that's where I started the conversation as well saying you know where should that bar land um and again looking into six or seven different school districts they all use the same language the pass and grade so I I felt at this juncture is probably worth following following suit just so we're so there's some um you know discussion in case people say well this this District do this District do that because they like to compare us to other districts and they want to make sure that if that's the case we're something so now that's this this is a fluid conversation so we need to we need to we need to kind of decide now for this year and then we can certainly we could certainly um create a different um pathway forward um because we'll have some other opportunities um for students like the financial literacy will be for graduation requirement um so you know this isn't like oh we decid this this year and this is it for forever we can decide this for this year to to get us to get our graduating class to sure that they're they're meeting the standards we sure they're meeting the competency determination and then we can revisit it say is this really what we want to do and Mar ahead do we want to raise you know change is it you think it's going to be harder to raise the bar or should we start with a raised bar this seems very I just jump in I want to correct myself it is a score it's not necessarily level for for getting with confidency determination so I want to be clear does it always have to be meet and exceed the score um when the voters when this changed right it's changed the game for all schools in the Commonwealth and I think that that's something that um to John's point we have to work with the rest of the school year so um we work really hard to ensure that all students came in and took the retests in November that needed to um despite it being strike and shut down we ensure students came first and we did that um and so this is a very small group of students so we're looking at just to sure their successful completion this year given that no no more retest will count for um competency determination that's correct me if I'm wrong no mcast counts but year graduation like other words the MC doesn't count for this year's graduation they up to this um they were able to count this November but any other retest will not count now so if we find out in next Thursday our schools our score from no num retest um so if students have passed they've completed the competenc determination and if they unfortunately did not we need to have something ready to go okay okay because yeah what I was concerned is someone could someone could technically have passed the mcast and not get a passing grade in theory right what would have so they would have already earned their compid they already earned their comp so they would be graduate I mean I think un like so the the rest of the discussion that's why we combined it with the graduation it's it's both things so you have to meet the graduation requirements and and make sure that you pass those specific courses in order to meet the competency and graduate so if if someone if we didn't have like hey you have to take algebra one you have to take geometry and there was an option for not them not to do that they met all the Rel requirements we wouldn't say they met their competency determination if they skipped over somehow out Geometry so those are like the Baseline like forces that we need to make sure that they take it pass in addition to the rest you they won get that high school if they don't meet all the other graduation requirements so that makes sense it's it's it's just the difference is the mcast us to just take the place of us having to say this is what you need to do to meet it mcast like you have to do this get your comp that's demonstra compy so can we have this kind of I understand the complexity there um but this just and this is the initial conversation so I mean we want to vote on this tonight this is just we wanted to make sure that we get this information work time shared with the committee sure come back next meeting I think for me I would like to see two different competency determinations I would like to see one for this kind of strange weird different complex whatever word um situation that we're in because we have to accommodate for different so many different buckets because the switch was kind of mid um and then one for next year moving forward where we can maybe raise it the bar little that would be excuse me wouldn't that be an opportunity to to have it all one right so these are your these are your requirements to graduate you need to have passing grades in all of the requirements that make you meet those versus you know this option one two and three and this page you know to me it's you know going forward right I understand in the interum that we might need to do something a little bit different but going forward you have to do a lot more than pass English nine and 10 to get a to show that you're competent to graduate high school right so why not just say hey it has to be what it 91 I don't know it's 11 and 12 right so we certainly that can be that could be the way we operationalize it as we move forward and just say you know as as a matter of course when you meet all of our graduation requirements here at Marvel head high school you've met the compens determination because you pass these courses right now we need to make it's it's really a this year thing that's really getting us startu because understand that yes we need to make sure that any of those children or students who haven't passed those courses what are we going to do to help them they make sure that they can get to that finish line um is that piece and and I and I would greate one that you know um par of beating all of requirements because it's not just we have the state tells us that we have to make sure that we're aligning Cony determination in our dist what that what the mcast measured those areas which is the English n English 10 and it went through 10th grade that's where that's when kind of to cut off here as confidence determination because it assess the 10th grades we had we were showing something that mirrored that we don't we don't have to do that going forward there's some guidance on some things like that because I think you know students do turn 16 and um at you know a certain age and can make choices at the time and we would say that by sophomore year the end of sophomore year they have to past these courses it's essentially the same thing it's you know we just need to make sure that by 10th grade we've done those things so that they don't skip over and say oh I'm just going to win 12th you also make it 11th or 12th grade requirements too right which is which is why I mean this year having it's weird complex we're really trying to accommodate and because obviously our goal is to ensure that you know as many people adequately move on that that deserve to but starting next year where we have you know the ability to I don't know maybe compartmentalize a little more have blow this out a little more from a detailed perspective to have what you need to do in 9th 10th 11th 12th even um so that when students students do get to be of that age and can make certain decises as you mentioned um they know that these are still requirements for their graduation I could just add though also if the students it gives if we can come up with something through 10th grade the intent is that if they have time to make it up and continue continue to graduate and move in that path if they weren't first couple years we just wouldn't want to have something where we're putting our students in a situation where they don't have time to go back through Credit Recovery do the portfolio Etc um before gradu exactly but there's I mean there will still be those cases whether it's the student doesn't have time where the student doesn't want to or doesn't put in the extra effort I would imagine is required for that right right unfortunately um so I just had a couple questions so Bri just um it says here that if student transer into the high school from another District or even out of state I mean how how you going to make sure that their courses are equ to ours especially if they come in the senior year and we determine somehow that they're not will they have time to make it up still graduate yeah that's a great question so as it stands right now and as we put in the note our um guidance counselors and the principal review all the transfers that come in um and they look at how it would count for credit um it does doesn't count towards GPA but towards credit towards the needing the graduation stand and they work with students It's Paper comparison like they're not call me scho find out I don't know the level of what they've had to do I've been involved in a few situations especially regarding like home school and stuff like that that I work with but um I'm sure I can give you an example in terms of special educations say we have a student was in collaborative residential program and they all they they able to come back in right so if they come back into the district say in 11th grade they've taken coures while they're out but part of the regulations there says they need to meet the certain requirements so they may take coures in that school setting that look different than our school's history we have to do a r of their transcripts in their course and sometimes it does take long the school and say can you send me the program of studies I want to make sure they're no lines and sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't so it would be similar to our state would be similar to you know another school district you know most of the schools in Massachusetts because of the Massachusetts curriculum framework the program of studies for most high schools are pretty well aligned so it's not as big of an issue with coming from the bras or Tennesse or whatever you we have to look at that regardless but in regards to you know making sure that they've they've met their requirements that we've put forth I would imagine it's a very individualized basis when is student transfers you know probably a lot of work as well um I I don't doubt that um I mean how would you have done it with ENC someone transfer in state in 12th grade they take MC yeah I don't know if I've had a situation with that L trying to think I I don't think I have live that I can I can get back to you je so so there's a couple things I I see Alison maybe jump in if you so one issue is this idea of where do we draw the line in terms of when we're measuring competency are we measuring at the end of 10th grade do we eventually want to measure at the end of 11th or 11 or 12th so that's one question um the other question is what is a passing grade so right now correct me a passing grade is like a 1.0 1.0 me passing grade so there's another question is at some point do we want to talk about that being possibly a higher level that's why I was saying we have a couple versions of this like one for this weird year and another because that's one of I mean I don't well or we we need to decide for this and then we can work towards Spring so it's clear for the and that's that was kind of the thought process I just said at the very beginning it's like we need to we need to figure out this year now then we talk and spring so if we were though to possibly raise the the definition of passing grade may want to stop at a 10th grade so again they need to and I don't know how that would work right because you'd have to either retake for you'd have to somehow display your confiden you're unable to initially get a passing break but that's what the portfolio made to okay um the other question is the m what was known as mcast alt which is now called our alternative option did that result in a in a diploma or not a diploma that's what I it'll still be the mcast alt that won't change it's just we will be internally reviewing that in addition to what's already in place with the mcast AL so that's that's kind of the one that's not changing that much um and then I think it depends on this what they're vo for if they're going for certificate post certificate School generally certific it is generally it's a certificate yeah well previously it could change now because been on mcast previously you would take mcast all but it wouldn't wait till like the 240 score that you pass right so they would get a certificate completion right or you know and move on out of the school district whatever that is correct but without him casting those scores they all assess could look different in line with you know viral incompetency determination that's also something and in my estimation we should really kind of look at how do we how do we create a situation where students can be successful the competency and special education and inste of just automatic s certific but that's can you put this um can you have Lisa add this to the Dropbox for today's meeting yes um and just can you make sure that it goes up online too for if the packet of materials um it doesn't sound like you're asking for any action to it no it wasn't intended and I again I apologize not getting in the drop box of time by the time I got back to inter afternoon mode um soide this yeah I think I think we I think next next meeting will definitely vote I have more questions on this which you all know I always do um would it be you or Julia or l or a combination who should I go to um you start with me and then we'll we'll figure out what depends on the depends on the question so we cat the other thing I just wanted to mention everyone you saw a personal financial literacy um I actually had a conversation with John about that which I was going to bring up so he he added in because I I was something um I wanted to um consider for the commit committee to consider um for this going forward you mentioned that we have some existing forces I will like to understand what those are because I think what I what I would be and I'm only one member um we'd be looking for as a pretty robust rigorous program and I and I have absolutely no idea what so that's just I think or options I guess if you were saying maybe they have so we our initial conversation there were at least two forces that we felt would would give students the skill sets I think that we were looking for but when they graduate say how do you you manage your finances how do you how do you figure out how to you know they rent do rent checkbook and all those basic stuff they don't use anymore coule 20 something never had a so when we had an initial conversation they and that was the first question I said do we already have horses or not do we have to develop it and that really drives the conversation so the coures we have if they don't necessarily meet the mustard that we're looking for then we would have to develop in bu which kind of push the timeline up but that's fine what I can tell you is that folks here were very excited about that they was there was Zero push back like that's a great idea we should and we need Educators obviously can do it y I think it's I think it's a thing that's needed really serve an entire generation yeah I I I app I appreciate you bring that come back already graduated my son slows around I have a couple great so we be continue we'll we'll revamp this we can have a conversation Sarah and and anyone else who wants to have a further conversation look for that the next okay moving on we have the preliminary 2526 school calendar is that time your again I think that did make it to the drop box I do have hard copies if you're if you want to look at it differ you good um so this is again preliminary because we want to make sure you get the input from the principles and the staff and the um the school committee um this it's not just you know Julia and I sitting behind a post saying oh I think this should be the calendar but so this was the first swing at it um um indicating where the where the vacation periods would land where the um professional development ear Etc ETA would land um but I'm sure that there's there's some questions or some thoughts and that's fine um we'll entertain any of those uh we shared it with the principles they they had some thoughts as well um so definitely again we'll bring this back to the next school I think we have the V by the end of January but we'll um you know I I always think this is a good you know one or two meeting two meetings if not more um discussion just to make sure we get it right um but this is reflective um of the having the PD days at the beginning that we talked about during bargaining um and then the other two PD days One landed on November 4th and I know there's al already some questions about that uh we're just trying to be preemptive in the in the off chance that we do utilize um we have to have this bigger discussion there was some preliminary discussion possibly using one of schools for some voting in town and we want to make sure that if that goes fruition we we already have something outlined for there but that's a bigger discussion that we hav Happ so I we put it on there we can move it we can change it it doesn't you know doesn't really matter it's a it's a kind of an odd place I've always disliked putting our PDS around um voting I've had that my last district and it's it generally doesn't land where you want fa to land but I know also want to be collaborative so that part of discussion would be a little bit br more school Comm has to load on that part anyway um other than that I mean not open for questions over thoughts um when things land so I have a couple questions um I I think the biggest one is coming back on Friday January 2nd I don't know that that provide for a fruitful I had that whole start I knew that was day then again I really push all right last year to not come Fe December 23rd and but I think if we can not I think we should not have that I mean there just there won't there won't be a lot of students yeah I don't disagree here even if there would and I'm saying this understandably there's no finger pointing I think I think honestly that the way it re it felt that way is because generally speaking we come back a day after day so I mean where when it falls this weird it's it's a weird year so I would agree with that we just have to make it we'd have to slide the day of course um and then also on November 3rd and fourth you have Monday as a half day and then Tuesday off and I fear that that half day again understandably would maybe not be well attended because some people may take I understand as parent conferences but some people may still take additional time I didn't know if pushed to to later on in the week instead like a Thursday Friday and again I think I think we just we're just trying to couple it with the uh tential voting day but can certainly revisit that that was some feedback principles already too so we can visit that again this is this no I I 100% I'll take any I'm not meaning it that way no no and I'm not taking I I think those are my okay too bigum thing they not I had those originally starred as my question points too um and then what I came back with when I looked at the end of the calendar it looks like if we don't come back on the Friday this the 2 we wind up having that weird thing again where we have a three the last school we have a three-day weekend and come back to S Monday and I think that we could have Friday there Friday it's the junun so when when I kind of factored in that we would have a three-day weekend and come back for one more day that that I feel like became more Awkward than returning to school on January 2nd I don't think there's a win situation there either way but I think it's less awkward uh when I think about you know our Working Families and in younger kids and things like like that it's much easier to find um a full week of child care via a camp than seg made segmented in in June so um you know that was my thought on the January 2nd which I I can tell I felt the same way coming back for one day felt weird but you know that's where I landed on that and then exact same thing when I looked at November it looks like that is to accommodate election day potentially um I gotten Outreach from the town to um the potential for using one of our buildings as a polling place and what it kind of been it's the request was to use our building for the entire ping yes for the entire for S poing place for the entire town um and what was presented to me is the way the location they were looking for was able to be kind of separated from the rest of the building and and things like that which those are much bigger discussions that need to be had further on for this purpose I I hate fitting in a PD day on that day just to make it work because then exactly what Alison said we have a half a day in a Monday and it just feels very choppy at the beginning of the year when we already have quite a few three-day weekends um one question I had for that P for either that PD day or the one in March would it I don't want to move it if it's not as meaningful but would it be as meaningful to make it on that OCT October 3rd so that we're giving um families a 4 Day weekend rather than three days in school one day off and one day back and extending that to a 4day weekend that was one thought if we if we move we go days um that could be a little bit more fluid and yeah I mean I'm or the following Monday so that veterans say it's a 4 Day weekend for families as well or if you have I mean if you guys have talked about how to if suggest the changes and you guys can operational yeah and I think I think so it's always tricky business right so you know I hear exactly what you're saying Sarah but I also hear like oh great we're going to have um you know the second and then PD on the third and then you know that that allows families to have a long weekend and also allows for staff to say oh maybe I'm not going to come in for PD and no offense anybody but like you know that happens right so Which is less but I think I think we just make that expectation but I just it is a consideration so I just I always try to think about that too but again open open to any yeah for sure I also think we want to be able to work with the townside and help out as needed but we also it needs it needs to work for us and again we you know we have we do have this unique situation where we you know in this coming year we have three days off of the Fall for the religious holidays um you we're committed to it there's no question but it does put you know pressure on the U on the calendar and also um still in the contract we don't work to Friday before Labor like we have these things that are pressuring our calendar and uh and we just you know I know how everyone feels about you know when you start getting into that fourth week of June it's well yeah I don't want to push it any further I'm relocating you know the py days that are here in the dark mine's in black and white so I can't tell we color it we in the color but um that that November 4th PD day or that March 13th if we can place them either on November 10th Andor October 3rd so it's not start stop start stop because I do feel like for kids when they have just one day free standing like there's Monday Tuesday Wednesday they're in Thursday they're not Friday they're in it doesn't feel like a it becomes as meaningful of a day kids are kind of already out of it I feel like so if we could chunk it out so it's more flu it instead of just having one offs here and there well if you're not going to do the fourth then you can put it anywhere right where really makes sense and make it either the 10th or the third I I don't agree with it being fourth I think it it doesn't feel but but it's also I think the other thing too is like that November 4th like you said we're we're just trying to be preemptive if if we do go that way from town but realistically like when you look at the other months where you have October's 21 days May has 20 days January has 20 days the other ones are but sure because the way things fall yeah we also try to look at those longer months put the put the PD days in and sometimes it's nice to have a couple in the beginning then strategically in the middle and then towards the end um a lot of the times the last one during the year is which anymore but those are opportunities for us to look at how we can operationalize in the year but yeah I I agree with everything that everybody's saying so we'll definitely bring it back to the the rest of the team and just kind of go through um because some of these some of what you brought up or already brought up to us and we shared it out with some now this looks like more paties this year than in in the last few years I'm assuming that came out because of some PD things um which is is absolutely important I know when we moved away from those half days we were we had had I think it was 2015 it may have changed because we were at a model where it was almost like once a month we were having uh Wednesday DEC and there was a a calendar group a calendar working group that got then superintendent to do away with that vob because there was a lot of push back in the community so I just want to at least be cognizant of that and go back and kind of look at some of the feedback and data that came out of why you took that away um and then also question I have is if we can have this many half days what does that do to our time on learning and we're telling people we can't make operationalize uh a second recess right now because of time un learning yet we're taking a significant amount of hit so yeah that's what I just was asking I'm not concerned about everybody knows my take on the second recess I'm not concerned about time on learning I wasn't concerned about it before the extra five minutes it's an administrative decision that's like confirmed from MC and Desi but with that extra five minutes it feels like we should be able to maybe Garner some of this back I just I feel really strongly about some of those days we shouldn't just be having a time- on learning day to have a Time on learning day if it's not going to be fruitful and again this is no indication of blame on anyone but just to have a day there if we're going to have you know 25% um of students show up and then also if we keep the second just like I said about the 23rd last year it's really not fair to our Educators and staff to have to be there for a very very what I'm confident would be a very very small percentage of students I mean we have a huge scheme population here that alone never mind people that go to know War places um just yeah so if I'm not mistaken when I look at the the half day before the the winter break and half before um November break there's are early release not PD days so it's it's it's early release but it's not in PD so that's just to kind of start the a little bit um and I think when Julie and I spoke about she check numers Lear so make sure that those days requirements as far as understanding do we have stricter requirement obviously at the high school time on learning so we only have three half days PD with the high school on this calendar the other half days are connected to holidays that have kind of always existed in the calendar um I think one of my big questions is if we are not going with the fourth as a PD day I would like to talk with um our team and the school committee about maybe thinking about us utilizing that PDD PD day as really a teacher PD day and revamping perhaps our our conference model so that we can really leverage that PD day for a full day with our be I don't know what that I don't know what you said sorry so right now how we use one of our four PD days with the staff is that we take for uh prek to eight uh we use that as a teacher conference day so we don't get to do professional development with 12 minutes so if we were to think about but that would likely if we were to think about taking that and protecting it as a PD day it would likely result in a few more half days for our P to e for yeah but we do have more flexibility to time on learning um than the high school so we have to have to go back and check the numbers I haven't done that yet because I was stinking with kind of the old so why don't you come back that yeah I'd love to and then the high school doesn't do conferences right right they would get the full PD day we also are entering I want to just mention if I can John that we're entering into the ask review and it's really important time and we need a lot of time with our staff to make sure we have everything ready for the accreditation um so that was part of this planning process with a half days as well um to ensure that we are fully ready for our visit um I think you should I mean I would yeah I would love to hear about any revamping or parent teacher conferences I can tell you that change that took place back in whatever it was 2015 do used to do correct me if I'm wrong um Sally might remember johnan we used to do like the there were four half days on Wednesdays in after Thanksgiving one a week till till Christmas or till winter break um um and they those were conferences and I think I think the staff was okay with I don't know what I think it it was parents it was a parent but you know it's been 10 years maybe something one by the way I mean they were true conferences like you got but yeah if you got more than 12 minutes not they're not it this is not a dig on the stamp whatsoever clear that they're not mean it's not a meaningful time period like what can you get done in one year it was seven minutes I'll never forget it was like it was like 15 minutes I don't think no I had minutes were minutes back when we used to do it four in a row I think it was like still there were still only 15 yeah I think you got 30 minutes like I no no you probably got 15 was it four weeks or six weeks but I went through it and I felt my students it was plenty of time and I hadiz me so so one thing that was really good that came out of Co you don't hear that very very often was when we did conferences via Zoom or offer the zoom option because you know it allowed especially like a working parent in Boston not to take a full day or a half day what I'm wondering is could we could we have the best is there a model where you can have the best of both worlds where you can use that day as a true PD day and you make up some of those conferences you know they're not all on the same day but you for two weeks straight you have one a day at the end of your day because we do have a half an hour at the end of the day if you hit 15 minutes for a zoom conference or we use a wedes two Wednesdays where you have an hour what is an hour and a half extra at the end of the day or an hour on Wednesday till 4 yeah so it's hour and a half an hour and a half we can check but like if they took a couple Wednesdays where they were doing they had like because some people want an in person you you know so that one evening or whatever allows for that or that one half day but there might be an a God I hate using this word but a hybrid model where parents who want to sign up for take a a zoom slot we can fit so of some of those in and that you know two half hour and a half blocks because really on a half day really is only what three hours that we have we do it on a Wednesday they get an hour lunch we can we take an hour usually for from another Wednesday afternoon and yeah but like you know what I mean you could do it if we utilized that versus you might be able to have the best of all worlds here I think it's a conversation worth having with your PD team that that that subcommittee seems to be not subcommittee whatever you're calling it advisor seems to be working really well can you the timing of when you meet can you meet with them again before our next meeting and come back with something yeah and I feel like the I'm really excited about this conversation because to think about what we could do differently and how we can also involve students in conferences maybe student Leed conferences student voice I mean I'm so excited if we can really think about some other options here I'm gonna leave it at this because we need to move on but if possible let's say we can do this and we figure out some alternative options for conferences then we could take November 4 four as a full PD day I know that they're whatever and then so there's no students in the building they're teachers in the building and then they kill out on the vo that's just something good be an option right appreciate the the conversations rich and Robo I think it's it's good to have this and then we we'll revamp again we'll meet with L and stuff and I'll get some input from Educators and then they'll bring it back to the next meeting great okay so moving on um three um items to be voting for or voting on tonight um I had requested wording from the um M it didn't get that so just so you know um so what I did is I went in did some research and I pulled motions from earlier votes that were similar to what we're voting so I believe this the the verbiage here is fairly accurate it is for some reason the attorneys come back on the town it and we need to change it that's fine um so the I have three motions for the U three votes for the committee to consider the first is um for the coffin schools uh Surplus is to have coffin coffin School named Surplus property um the motion for consideration is as follows to transfer the care custody management and control of the public school building and grounds to the board of the select board being it is no longer needed for school purposes so this would be a vote a motion that we would take tonight we would communicate that to select board and then they would be responsible for what would transpire to so maybe I could ask for the motion a second and then we can discuss it so do I have sorry do we need to take a vote to deem it no longer needed for school purposes before we do this this is what it's one one y that's how it wases so long okay second first but second by Allison and discussion so I I understand where we are with plin and why we're to miss vote vote accordingly I do want to just make sure everyone is aware when we had postponed this year last year we wanted to see the outcome of the 3A V because there was a concern that if you're bringing 900 units on the potential for 900 I don't want anybody to think that it's automatic they go up or that I'm saying you're bringing the potential for 900 units on online it is very reasonable to think those 900 units will have children and then where do we educate so then it was voted down it just came back yet yesterday was it that from the state um that the state can do that was kind of a case law case law was established through that case they can sue to force that passing so now that that case law has been established 3A is back to play for every municipality plus the state so I just I have to modify some things yes but which but what the court said is the state can suit him you don't have free will or C um I'm not debating 3A I not in any way she performed I just want to be cognizant that what the state said is it's back in play and what we're doing is giving up the only piece of plant of land we have on the north side of town I I think we're going a catch 22 I think we have to do it I'm not saying I'm not going to but I think it would be irresponsible for us not to somehow acknowledge and know that I agree fully with that but maybe not totally on the 3A part but I I agree on giving up the only piece of land the only possible piece of land anywhere on the north side of town that's something we discussed in facilities meetings for the last few years um and I also want to make sure that that it is clear that once we do this and if the select board opts to sell the property the land I should say um if that is not going to save any financial problems or deficits from here on out that we have it isn't going we all know what happened with Gary it's going to be the same thing um and I just want to make sure that's clear because I think there's some kind of confusion or that money doesn't come to schools I think is what you're saying people to think butos to us it absolutely does not there is no legal mechanism to sell the property and to get the money ourselves and it's it's also not going to be as much as as people I think are probably expecting Gary sold for 800 just like I mean you buy one unit of Gary twice what the whole piece of land sold for so um and and I just want to make sure that that is that that the public is aware of that piece of it because I you know there's been a lot on whether it's public Facebook pages in the newspapers or what Happ you just in the community where people seem to think so you know to the dog park well if you just sold coffin that would solve all the problems um and it it wouldn't I'm not suggesting that coffin is a building that could be used um but I I think that the land is valuable we had asked at one point to get a price on demolishing the building and retaining your land and you know that just did here we are but um I just want to make one point of clarification it is not up to the select Bo to determine the final out come of the land it's up to town meeting yes town meeting will decide what will happen to that property right so we will have the motion and that will be there y um likely what will happen is what has happened in the past is the select board has made a recommendation at town meeting for what should happen to that property and that will be their determination certainly not ours right I think some of them have already voiced their thoughts on it but I you know you have to go by what has happened in the past um with other properties to kind of understand where it'll go who it will end up with can I just make turn Outsider looking in kind of thing um you know obviously the historic everyone just talked about but I think the reality is and we've already kind of decided this this why we're turning back to the town but like for the school to maintain that property it doesn't maintain sense that's why main the build the building I think it's important to sear maintain the building building so maintain the building um and I think or or raise the building correct it's not it's not cost effective to do a we just want to make sure that we're having that full- Flex conversation because I think you made a good point that we're not getting the money we can't get the money from the sale or M or anything and to try to manage building else also sense fiscal sense no but you know I think her point when saying that was that we if 3A does open back up again and if it does pass or if it's forced to pass um we don't have land on our side of town when you look at where all of our schools are that is a giant yeah and I mean similarly some of property but what kind of housing it's that too being an but you know well again you would look at historically always bought the big properties town and what what happens well no I can't yes you can you can ask what it I mean in your ideal world it's slaughtered because I'm short I'd like to see that building raised in that become an outdoor classroom or green space or community space of some kind but I don't that's not a JW no an education space maybe but I don't think that's out learning space Garden space outdoor we're not will be developed um Al Williams in favor R in favor Sarah fo favor Alis tlor so makes me really sad to say this but in like sh Chef in favor five to zero um the second um motion I'm looking for is um for lack of a better term a placeholder uh for a proposition a general proposition 2 and a half override for the purposes of um uh Revenue to go to directly to the school budget so I will read the motion and I will ask for someone to um first and second motion to see if the town will vote to raise and appropriate or transfer from available funds a sum of money to supplement the school Department's operating budget beginning in fiscal year 2026 contingent upon the passage of a proposition 2 and a half so-called ballot question or take any action relative ther to so Sarah and second second second sorry okay discussion um I just want to make sure everybody knows this is just a placeholder warrant we are not we no decisions have been made on what is or is not needed from a budgetary um P perspective um we just these have to these motions and Wars have to be in by a certain deadline so this is just the motion to have a placeholder warrant um in years past we've kept that warrant and had uh an override request at town meeting and other times we have not so I just want to make sure that distinction yeah thank you that was remiss and not explaining it we have to have these um foreign articles into this select board by January 20 31st um that's when they close the the warrant so we have to have these articles in if it is deemed um at the time of town meeting that it is the will of this committee to go forward with this motion with a specific fund amount we would take that vote sometime PRI town meeting right if the determination for some reason is made that we do not want to go for with this then we would vote to to um recommend indefinite postponement at time and that would again tell me he could decide what they want what they what it wants to do but so there that gives us options um but we need to have the place if we want to have option and the place holder has to be in by a certain date cor so one step further on this um this is common misunderstanding people think that if you pass this this is guaranteed money for the schools forever more the money is guaranteed if this were to happen to the schools the first year moving forward is not guaranteed it just goes back to the general fund and it goes to be dis dispersed by the will of town meeting moving forward so um um can you I think we should I feel like we should just walk through that a little bit more so people understand so this this passes I'm just going to use random numbers we the first year we get a million dollars EXT you get the budget that that is set aside for us from the town and then in addition to that because of the vote we get a million dollars the second year they don't have to give us that money the second third forever more well they is tell meting yeah what it does is it raises the tax levy Beyond Two and A half% and then that allocation comes to us the first year moving forward the LA Levy just marches on at the consistent rate after that and you have your Levy of money that will then be dispersed as town meeting sees appropriate but just logistically so folks understand what what that would necessitate would be so say it was raised in FY 26 and it we successfully passes override that money is allocated to the school district in FY 27 it would necessitate a reduction in our budget from town to not have that money come to us right in my experience I've never seen a reduction in no not a reduction just might not no no in other words you're going to you know you're going to get that million dollar and if you to your point you're not going to get it the next year it means they would reduce our budget not necessarily because it grow at the rate of Two and a half% it grows at more than a million per year they might not give you additional million over your two and a half correct which would be a lower amount than that okay um okay can I call vote can I ask one more question this is this is is this the request with the town are we doing it with the select board or are we doing it so the determinate if there are any other article any other um articles on the warrant for similar to this for a general proposition to and half override um from other departments besides the school because this one specifically school department if there are other ones um and those past town meeting it is the perview of the select board to determine how that vote would look like on the ballot so the the select board determines whether it's separate questions or a combined question there their so we wouldn't know that until and they usually take that vote I think within a day a couple of days of Mee two years ago when we went at it together Allison the town and the schools the schools had a placeholder right I remember definitely postponed on the floor of town meeting it was planned ahead that that would happen because we only used the placeholder article the town used we won't know if using one their placeholder jointly until well after the state of the town right or ours okay all have place that I wanted to make sure that that option was still there because everybody will have placeholders I think that that is the an important distinction that will be needed we don't know that until really until the war okay when hearing which will be the first week of April which is fine again I just wanted to make sure that we still had that option with how this is worded that's all okay call now in favor ran in favor s fox in favor in favor jff in favor that two Z this next one's a placeholder we've used every year since 19 as well so the next motion um is um in regards to a debt exclusion override if money is needed for um any Capital um expenses for the school department so this motion I am asking for is to see if the town will vote to raise and appropriate a sum of money for remodeling and reconstructing and making extraordinary repairs to existing school buildings infrastructure and the purchase of necessary equipment including computer hardware and software to determine whether this appropriation shall be raised by borrowing or otherwise or to take any other action relative there to so Mo hang on second first was Sarah second so now any discussion so this particular motion is not for the high school loop that we're currently looking at now this is like something new no could be could includ that could be this is they use that um we've used it for things like that in the past it's a placeholder we put on until we have the steps will be next um the town in our finance department will talk about what they have as an outlay projected for Capital repairs okay that'll compare that to what we are looking at and if they're different then there will be a discussion of whether we use this or not but this is a placeholder in in years past we've used it for that we've used it for smartboards we've used it for um security cam like we've used it for different things okay and there's your we've not used it at all any other questions okay I'm going to call for a vote um Al Williams favor ran OD in favor in favor Alison Taylor in favor J in favor thank you everyone um okay moving on we are talking about the superintendent status preliminary discussion no we're not talking anything else about the um well we may have an update in the subcommittee I don't know yeah that was that was just something so I put this on um the agenda again just preliminary discussion um which we do need to do an open meeting um to talk about um superintendent roberu um currently everyone knows superintendent's interim superintendent with a two-year contract um so start to want to have some discussion around what it may look like if we want to both both sides um if we want to move forward and look at this from um a permanent a permanency standpoint to make um superintendent the permanent superintendent what that contract would look like so I put it on on this agenda to just open it up to both John as well as the committee members as to what um what we might look at from a first of all I think a timeline and secondly um the steps that we might want to take to help make that determination both from the committee standpoint staff standpoint and community so I know John I don't know if you want to make you comments yeah I can um so I I appreciate um putting on the agenda said Jen and I have had some conversations um just kind of about this and I'm glad we're kind of having an open discussion uh I've been here for six months um have phenomenal team I'm working with um and you know I came on board with the inum tag to your interim tag and realistically in terms of my my career and my trajectory for my career I think um you know having a more permanent permanency is is is um helpful for me but I think it's more helpful the community the educational Community the um committee to have some stability clearly I think on the fif for 10 the last four years that's not helpful to any District um I appreciate the time um that you guys have given me to kind of have some discussions I was very clear up front that I want to make sure that I was good fit for you you felt I was good fit you know me good fits for each other um so you know after being there for six months even though there's a lot of stuff going on I think you know talk about a lot of it I think we're making some really good strides I think there's a lot of really positive things happening um we're Post strike we're moving forward my Mantra is always where are we now and how we moving forward and I think we're doing some really great things you've heard from Lisa Marie you've heard from Julia in the past um there's some really great stuff and and I want to be a part of that and I think um kind of looking at a time frame you know I I would love to be able to say July 1 you know um like makes sense to do a July 1 um my contract go from inum to permanent what does that look like um find out from committee what you would need from me to to make those determinations I know initially I did my goals October to October which makes sense um so maybe do you know mid year check in you know formative assessment whether that's you know um you know kind of just mid year how you doing where are we how you do with your goals you're on track you're not on track what feedback you guys have for me so I can do some correction and things like that that would make sense um and then we'd all have kind of an idea of where things are mov forward um very be very clear and up front this is the time where superintendent jobs start opening up and you know I think if if there's the support of the committee which I think there is um you know I'd rather firm this up now and have a conversation so we can all kind of move forward working on a district Improvement plan which is you know A Five-Year Plan and it's hard to determine it's actually we have here that's all the the discussion but um it's uh it's hard to develop a plan that I potentially may not be a part of implementing so it's it's kind of if I'm permanent in a more permanent manner I think the the volume from the staff becomes a little bit elevated say okay this guy stick around for a bit I think parents would feel the same way um I hope the community feels the same way and so I just kind of want to take those steps and start having a conversation thank you um so a lot to commity members want to make some comments I would definitely feel that a formal evaluation process should be put in place as part of this discussion the formative as you stated is probably coming up quick so I think that that would be something we have to really take a hard look at because then we'll Sate a real measurable Society doing rather than what we feel is happened over the last six months um for me I think an important part of a full superintendent process is the community feedback the staff feedback and we've included students even in the past um I would want to to be able to include those pieces of feedback as well um I think we can there there are ways there are tools available to us to still get that feedback and and use that um you know just anecdotally I I I have we I know I've received and I believe we've all received a lot of positive feedback in the time that's here but I do think that we need to have that data point and and the opportunity for the community all aspects of the community like I said and the staff and included to to have that mechanism give us that data um and I agree I would like to see I I think it will be important through the process to have some type of formative evaluation um so but again it's a data point it's not just we feel that we can say you know this is what this is the growth that has happened for our district in the last however many months this is how we're in a better position than we were then these are the reasons why and just really have those pieces um I personally think the data is going to be there at the end of all this I I don't have a concern with that but I think it's really important to go through that process and to be able to have the input and have the evalu atory process um and I also I also see what you're saying um we have a lot of good things happening in the district we talked earlier about the movement that's been happening in special education um you know over the last year we did hear a lot from our staff about how the transitions in in administration is fit hard and I think the idea of cementing something would be helpful for everybody but we still need to go through the you know some some type of process yeah no I think I mean I love the idea of having informal conversations but I think having some sort of formal um review would be great too just for the public to hear as well I it's important for them to hear as as much as their feedback important important for them to hear our um thoughts as well and I look forward to doing that and I'm excited that you the one to say it I'm excited but you're you're interested if after your um trial by fire Squad here the last few months you gotten everything um thrown at you and I do think that you have handled it with as much style and grace as possible I'm grateful for that and I'm just excited that you're still interested in being shate that I think um you know I just think it's it's good to have the support of the community but I I do agree you know typically a form of vow for super 10 the mid mid cyclist you know it's a lot of that where are you with your goals are you are you achieving them you're not where how far are you did you make your goals a little bit too lofty and address it so happy to have that conversation it's important whether I inum going to superintendent superintendent staying superintendent I think that's important information um so I look forward to that I think uh generally kind of do my updates to my goals as I go along anyway so we don't just have to have that one data point haven't really been able to do that for multiple reasons but um you know that's how you generally outgate El I why it's been April so yeah that's what I to talk about so before we get to that point that um I think we do this because of performance right not because of timing personal I think we've all said that right so that's why I think it's important that we have an assessment that we have data that supports that and I I think that will be the case but I don't want to suppos it either but let's assume that goes any know we have the right person for our students for our staff for all our reasons then be supportive this also yeah part of this discussion I think says we should create a subcommittee on the evaluation process but superintend it so we start putting together the framework of this evaluation there's many ways of doing it I've seen a lot of districts do it differently how they evalu but I think it would be a good idea for us to create a format bring it to the school committee for approval and then use that as a tool that we evaluate superintendent whether it's John or someone else it doesn't matter the for the process will be there we've all agreed to it I think that's important because we want to make sure everybody feels satisfied that the evaluation will be accurate um not slanted in any way but ass sure assessment allows to prend this stuff I thought we talked about this already at one of our workshops and right and I thought we had already agreed to what that process would be or are you talking about something in addition that frame we don't I don't actually have anything in writing say how we're going to Val and I mean there's Matrix just the state has long superintendent Matrix that you used to evaluate and how we EV how we incorporate that into an evaluation system is up to the school we don't have all five of their guys but go ahead okay I thought at our Workshop we agreed we have to use that standard form so what hang on so yes so we did which is usually for an annual evaluation which would be next October so we're talking about doing a mid cycle evaluation as a way determine through this process we vote to a permanency so that I don't think we did determine that we're discussing that at the time so that would be a question on how do we want it because if we just back this up for a second this is the way I look at it and I'm going to ask the committee you know tell me your thoughts if if we just we're deciding we want to move forward this John is suggesting July first is a goal for us to have that completed so kind if we agree with that July 1 would be uh we would have negotiated a contract permanent contract that would be effect of July 1st of 2025 right now it is January 9th so to get from here there we are talking about doing among other things and about valuation of the superintendent which would need to be in Open Session uh we have talked about getting input from the community from the staff from students um in terms of input and feedback so we need to talk about what that would look like how we're going to do that and then we have to have um a discussion an open session um to decide whether to go forward and then my understanding is the actual negotiation of the contract would take place in executive session and then we would vote the final contract in Open Session I'm just throwing this out there maybe sometime bright you know would be bright July 1 be effective July 1 so how do we want that to go and that's my that's so can I just wait a little bit first um so my if you do October and October right that's a year we wait until April that's six mons so you know it's probably not bad I mean I would I would love to do it a little bit earlier just so I I know I have I have a trory saying yes I to stay and have a contract so I'm not waiting till June and finding out guys change your mind or whatever and then I don't have any opportunities available to me so I just want very clear from I want to stay in I want to be here but I also make have to make sure that I get to a point where so far I don't have other opportuni once me so I mean well you have another year in the contact right no no no yeah I understand that but I just so I just want to make sure that where where that formula Falls that's fine I just want to make sure that so we have a so this just throwing ideas out we have the same committee that came up with the help us with that come up with what this accelerated process should look like I would have personally no problem with that and then we I know think it's fair maybe to have the same folks maybe another set of folks that talk about what is the process going forward if that was to to be you we want to move ahead with permanent city right because then you know Sarah we good point we want we want that process to be robust want Community involved students involved perhaps so I don't know if that also has to kind to be detailed and flush well that actually could also be subject of a workshop yeah I think it should be a workshop very strongly feel about the subcommittee continuing with the evaluation or I think it could all be or I mean I think we we have the subcommittee that created the goal goal that were already right you know we've already brought so it's clear what we are evaluating him you know the main things that we're evaluating him on obviously there are a lot of additional data points um including Community feedback certainly and and upward feedback um I think I would um given the history and to your point of how many we have had I think it would be really wonderful to do that uh in a workshop number one when it allows a little bit more transparency with the community in what and how we're going to do this and what's what's important and allows them the opportunity in a public comment format to provide us um some suggestions as they always do and I think um it would be nice to hear all five people's input on that process in general and also if we were to do it in the workshop what I been hear is we would do it a workshop you sort of wanted done in terms of what the process is not the evaluation the process one you know one two hour Workshop we determine how we're going to evaluate assessments what the timeline is how we're going to get keep that the community and plan it put it on a calendar um so does that seem yes yeah so timeline wise I want to have that Workshop in the next four weeks yep so that then we can Implement in the next you know six week probably six to Max eight weeks at period getting back that Community feedback and doing the evaluation and then presenting that all yeah in a public value because all of that is public information the public gets to see all of it so um then then we need to have time to do that and then that brings us right up to April yeah we can have a survey to do that easily and so what do we think about for a workshop um okay well I just want to get a general idea we want to take a sche business meeting or we do it are we G to do the workout just within ourselves or ask MC Comm I was GNA suggest that I could put a call into Alicia and maybe she would help she could help I like her help us in Workshop yeah yeah yeah so let's find out dates from her and then do I think that doal hoing thing we did okay worked well okay all right that sounds like CL John does that sound sounds great thank you thank you everybody two hours well whatever I we can schedule yeah I just let's ask a little bit more time yeah yeah oh from Alicia yeah I mean maybe we do it and plus maybe we do it in the afternoon or do so we we shorten it that's great but run out of time yeah we get a l that want okay perfect um okay um subcommittee and leaz on updates um we had a budget meeting this Tuesday y this week feels like it was days and days and days ago um and we roughed out our budget calendar um again these are our rough dates um we know tracking back that fincom is hoping for us um their their warrant here in bill is April 7th so the entire warrant needs to be tied up in a bow by April 7th so we backtrack from there um they're hoping our hearing will be the penil in for March 31st which means we would need to have our budget hearing and our vote in advance of that so we are right now roughing our budget hearing out for March 6 um which is a normal school committee night and we um are looking at the possibility of February 3rd again these are dates that are going to be firmed up and then will be released to you guys but if people want to put a placeholder right down for February 3rd in their calendars for the uh budget Workshop that's the night1 all right so we um but honestly it's it's these are dates are loose we will work um with everybody because the goal would be to have everybody there um and then we talked about having a budget Forum which is different than a budget hearing budget hearing is they people can really drill into the numbers ask questions about you know it's a hearing so it's no holds far but we're thinking that there might be an opportunity um that second week in February for a budget Forum the forums were a goal that we had to give some more discussions if you will with the community we did this last year um in previous years and we called it a conversation with this full committee because it really is folks being able to speak back and forth with us on their thoughts on a particular item so we're we're trying to figure out the logistical pieces of having the budget Forum um then so that if we get a lot of feedback from folks on one item or another we still have a few weeks possibly if we need to incorporate that and any final budget that would be presented at the budget Forum or budget hearing budget hearings for school committees or for school districts are required by Mass General law um and there's a lot of posting guidelines so be weeks Advance published newspaper so you know we we have to kind of look further out for that stuff so um of our goals right so that's why the budget Forum but forum's different than the hearing I want be clear so so the budget hearing we still have to present the budget to the school committee first and then the budget hearing next is to also that yeah so the budget hearing is basically presenting at high level to the right so when that's what they vot um we we've done we we've not always voted um we try to give a few days at least in between but when we voted it there has been a couple years where we did vote it at the hearing um what we like to do for it to really feel like a to be a true hearing is to give the opportunity for us to give some thoughts the feedback we heard Hearing in case major comes out um but like I said there there had certainly been years for time crunches what we have voted potenti I just I'm just trying to wrap my head so the way it's done potentially do the budget hearing where we get put everything else and then need be changed where we can tweet bring it back and then do the vote the school me vote on the budget but before correct finance committee here so there one meeting in there somewhere so be regular schol right that's something we pushed really really hard for about three years ago it used to be for as many years as I can remember Marblehead that fincom voted our budget before we voted our budget and um it's your budget yeah y that we've changed it our relationship has been great with the town um and this allows for several um joint subcommittee meetings as well so um that's where we are right now thank um other sub well I'm at the CAC meeting today and Lisa Marie did an excellent job once again of telling us everything that she's done to make things working smoothly yeah and uh CAC was very pleased I was very pleased I was always amazed at how much work you've done since you've done on board it's just very very positive for you uh as far as the subcommittee goes for communications I did meet with Marblehead TV um John and U Joan and discuss some ideas they're they're open to it but they're not quite sure if the topics would be big enough to Warrant taking over a whole half hour slot on your show so we have to have more discussions one of them that they were interested in would be to do something with the budget so I said i' get back to you we'll have talk about it back to them we can talk about want listen we could cover a half hour without certainly the buding would be a top they also like the idea of the prim primary to be able to give some I and I did find the original copy of um Michelle's yeah I have the PowerPoint itself okay so you can make to apart yes um and then you and I have talked about letter so we'll try to start to launch the newsletter in January yes and the FAQs got those done too so we checking on checking off the goals yes awesome um policy subcommittees meeting next Tuesday I need to go home tonight and post that so um I will do that and you know just it's not a policy sub but we did do the central meeting of the PC week I Central Council Central Council yeah so I just I just want to share that we that meeting yeah just want to share sh meant that in no problem thank you okay any other can I just ask do we do we have an update on Meco we haven't heard one in a while I know you were traveling but John or yeah I I meet with I meet with K the director every single week um so she's done some um she continues to you know continues to work with me and with the administrators just um to make sure that the big students are getting with the schools and working with the administrators uh she's done a bunch of a lot of um opportunities that Medico has that are kind of in Boston and things like that I can I can create a list and bring them in um she I there's too many to even even keep track of right now she had done like the holiday skate party this another one coming up for the younger kids um I think I want to say 13 that might not be the right day um so she did that did that for the older kids and the younger kids there's that those kind of things there's um some there's a meeting with the Meco directors and the superintendants um sponsor desie talk about some um some of the opportunities talk about some of the funding pieces that um are going to look different un forly not trending in our our favor for Meco um and then the other thing with Meco is uh C and I continue to talk about the enrollment we're in the enrollment period right now so administrators to say like you know are there any grade levels that kind off limits to to um opening up to kids because there may be a little bit fall so we have a couple gr levels that kind of bur in um so we kind of try to a little bit um those are all conversations we're having there's a lot of so mean I was traveling it's also it's hard to do you know we meet every week so I'll invite you probably to our next one of the one after so we can you can kind of hear from yourself um you know some of the great things that are happening but there there's a lot of good stuff so it's transparent one thing I was interested in Meo is last year Jen and I had the opportunity to attend a Meo PCO meeting and it was very very important we got at least I I don't want to speak for you but there was a lot of really good information that came out of that I think it seemed like the parents enjoyed getting to ask those questions as well um if that's something Kia feels would be helpful again I would really enjoy getting to another one yeah I can do that I mean the other thing initially when I first came on board they talked about how um most most Meco districts hold at least one school commun at Meco headquarters dur throughout the year and I know you know with all the stuff we have going on this year may not be the best time for that but Millie who kind operation opero um is willing to come in and kind of give her perspective of stuff so that might be might be worth doing in the springtime just to kind of have her come in because she'll has some good she's but she's kind of a Spitfire so she's you know she's high G all the time she's really good at like kind of understanding the bols of the different districts because she because she meets with the directors all the time and she really a lot of stff B off the state so it would I think it' be good to have her come in just kind of do a state of the vetco kind of state I'll look to do that if you're manable to that I'll be spring okay any other news um new business announcements or requests okay um I am going to adj I'm going to adj us at 8:30 than you and because