I'd like to call the meeting to order. Johanna, will you please read the statement of compliance? >> The notice requirements of the open public meeting act for this meeting have been satisfied. A copy of the annual meeting notice was sent to the press of Atlantic City star ledger, posted on the
Bolton board in the municipal building, the municipal website, and filed in the office of the municipal clerk. Please turn off all cell phones. >> Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> Attention salute
to the flag United States of America to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible for all. >> Thank you Johanna. Mayor Collins
>> here. >> Commissioner Blumb, >> I am here. >> Commissioner Horn >> here. >> We're going to start with our oath of office for our municipal court administrator. If you want to come
forward, does she want to do that? always nicer. >> No, you turn on the speaker, please. >> That's green. >> Do we want to bring you guys in in front? So, you're in front of Zoom. >> There you go. Right there.
Okay. I, Deanna Crepe, >> I, Deanna Crop, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support >> that I will support >> the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New
Jersey >> that I will bear true faith >> that I will bear true faith >> and allegiance >> and allegiance >> to the same and to the governments established in the United States >> to the same and to the governments established in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this under the authority of
people. >> under the authority of people. >> I do further solemnly swear >> I do further further solemnly swear >> that I will faithfully and partially and justly >> that I will faithfully and partially and justly >> perform all the duties of court
administrator >> perform all the duties of court administrator >> of the Margate City Municipal Court of the City of Margate, New Jersey of the Margate City Municipal Court of the City of Margate, New Jersey. according to the best of my ability. >> according to the best of my ability.
>> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Thank you. >> Yes. My phone. I just want to say uh take one minute to say uh thank you so very much
to Moren who is retiring and congratulations. She has given us you know hundreds of great years here in the city market and she has left us in great hands with Deanna. So, thank you to
Moren for really so many good hard years of work and and best wishes to Deanna. Uh, again, we're we're going to be in great shape here in the city of Margate. So, best of luck. Thank you very much. >> We're going to grab a picture real
quick. >> Marine, you didn't get off that easy. You're at the next meeting. I will show my age. >> Thank you. >> Do you want to >> Thank you. Mhm. So, we're gonna Ed's running a little
late, so we're going to save him for last. So, let's start with um our department heads, Chief Hankinson. >> Thank you, Mayor. I'll be brief. I just wanted to give a special thanks to public works, the recck department, the
fire department, everybody who assisted with the winter wonderland event last Friday night. It is a great event. Every year it gets uh better and better and all the events that are sponsored in part with the police department. None of them could be done without Erin Belli.
Detective Varelli does she goes above and beyond to do all these events on top of her normal workload. So, the fact she gets all these events done is absolutely unbelievable. They go off without a hitch at the end. It's a lot of work up to that, but these events wouldn't be as
great without her. So, I especially want to thank her. And that's all I have. >> Thank you, >> Chief Adams. Just to echo Chief Hankinson, uh you know, like he said, Detective Belli was unbelievable. The events that she runs
for the city of Margate are second to none with the Halloween event and with this uh holiday event that she does every year. That wouldn't happen without all the time and effort she puts in. So, I echo his comments. I just have two other things. One, we have our Santa
escort. Uh the fire department along with the police department will be escorting Santa around town this Friday night, December 19th. They will be starting from fire station 2 and going through town. There's a map posted on our different uh sites and you can look
at that there on the city site, the fire department, the police department. I think everybody has the site and the location up. It's a great event where the started during CO where we went out and traveled around town with Santa. It's a great event. Um, so look out for Santa starting at 5:00 p.m. Friday
night. And the only other thing, Commissioner I have is to add is um I did a check back on our cyber training for the city of Margate and we are at 91% completed already which is really good in the in the broad picture. I think the GIF reported at the GIF
meeting today as a whole they're at 60%. So I think the fact that we're at 91% already is is an echo to the statement of our employees and what they're doing to get it done. So, um, that's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you, Roger. >> Thank you, uh, Kathy and Commissioner
Blumbberg and Mayor Collins. Uh, planning board was uneventful last, uh, week. We had two cases. We have, uh, six lined up for January. Just to let everyone know, there is a nationwide scan going on where applicants prior to the decision and resolution being
adopted are getting emails or letters and asking for, you know, payment to get something that they already paid for. And some people have submitted a check, but now they're asking for wiring of of fees and and monies. The city will never
ask an applicant to wire money to the city. So, if you suspect something, just be on alert. call palm or I and we'll tell you. >> Yeah. >> You know, we'll straighten it out. >> But just be aware that there are scams. It is nationwide. We first saw this back
in uh April, was it? >> I think it was June or >> June before that. >> There was checkashing going on. There was there's that scam. Then it it came reared its ugly head again. Uh it looks legitimate, but if you read the whole thing, you can tell it's not. So people
are scamming everybody on. Also tonight, there are four contracts for annual uh renewals next year. We took bids on four applications or four uh items. So, my recommendation is to award the low biders. Unfortunately, there is one huge
mathematical error on a landscape contract where it was a $30,000 swing. So, somebody thought they had it, now they don't. Um other than that, there is nothing more to report. Happy holidays to everybody. Thank you, Roger Palma.
>> Hello, mayor and commissioners. Um, I just wanted to give kind of a summary of the year because I believe this is the last meeting before next year. Um, our office, the building department, issued a total of 936
construction permits, which represents more than 92 92 million in construction activity across the city. Um, our department also completed over 4,700 construction inspections across all sub codes and
thank you for your support in the building department. looking forward to next year. >> Thank you, Pat. >> Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners. Um been very busy. We had uh eight shut offs, house shut offs this week already.
Um we did three meter installs. We had to fix 10 water breaks in the street with due to all this road construction going on. Um we had one water main break behind the houses on Fredericksburg on an easement, which is that was a tough one to fix, but we got it done. And um
we had one snow event, we used about 30 tons of salt that day. And that's all I got. So with the the one thing I do got uh one more thing, sorry. Uh with the house shut offs, it'd be nice if uh the residents would somehow give the city a phone number to where we can reach these people cuz I hate to see a house sit
with water damage if we can't. I mean, we have addresses, but we don't have no phone number. >> So maybe we can come up some way they can report a phone number on our website or something like that. >> So that's all I got. Thank you. Thank you, Pat Moran. >> Hi. Um,
last of course last couple weeks uh I assisted with the city's first newsletter in a in a while uh that was put out uh the beginning of December. U negotiated contract for three employees. Uh dealt with the personnel issue. Met with the police and fire contracts uh
their unions. Um had a couple meetings were still in negotiations there. um uh researched and um made sure that uh I spoke to all the CFO companies as directed by Commissioner
Blumberg um to try to find some replacements. Again, I think the only successful uh thing that we've had so far I've forwarded to Commissioner Blumbberg. Um got the approval of the uh comproller position through civil service and DCA after last meeting. Um
the cost analysis for the DPW building was sent from what I was told u with u Leon that he actually discussed that with you Mr. Lumber. Okay. Um and
had the meeting for the DPW building where we provided information out to the public. Um it wasn't heavily attended but the people that were there were very supportive. Um we had pictures and stuff so that showed the the condition of the present building. Um
was able to be involved in the promotion of our court administrator and the um assistant uh clerk, city clerk. Um so I had uh some hands in that. um met with New Jersey Transit um
regarding the um proposed or possible idea of a trolley between two cities. Um the the concept of maybe getting some kind of a electric type of transportation between the two cities u
which would be a Ventner and u Margate and at this point in time it's like really in its infancy stages. Um, I did have my mic checked. I think it's working pretty better. Pretty much better this this uh meeting. I haven't had any complaints so far.
>> I can hear you. I >> um evidently there was some kind of a setting that was off just a bit the last meeting. I apologize for those people who didn't hear me. I thought I'd have a big enough mouth that everybody could
hear. Anyway, um I just like to uh say happy holidays to everyone. I'd like to thank our employees direct and at the uh municipal building we had our lunchon today and and most importantly Dan for his contribution to our uh holiday
healthy uh lunchon today. So um thank you very much >> Dan. Do you want to talk a little bit about the award that you received and you turned over to the rest of us? >> Not really. Um, back in gosh, I want to say it was
April of this past year, um, I was recognized by the Atlanta County Municipal GIF for a safety award. And part of the safety award that was received came a $1,000 um, benefit for the city of Margate to
host a lunchon or a party or something of that nature for the employees. So, we were able to utilize that money today to go toward the party for the event today to honor our employees in an annual holiday lunchon. So, uh but it's just all part of the effort of all the city
members that contributed to the fact that I was able to get that award by doing things to asssure the safety of our employees and the operation of the employees. So, that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you, Chief Ed. >> Thank you. Sorry. Thank you,
Commissioner Horn. Um, I get to close today, so that's a change. >> Scott, save for last. >> We saved Scoff for last. >> Oh, okay. All right. Even better. Even better. >> All right. Yeah, you got it. All right. Starting off with our dredging project. So, uh, the update here is um I've
reported previously that we have our D permit. We actually just received, I believe, on Friday. I've lost track of the days. Um, the Army Corps permit. Uh, so the Army Corps sent us their permit for us to sign. they do allow us the opportunity to review that permit before we sign off on it. If we have any questions about some of the conditions
that they put in the permits, we can ask them. Uh so we're in the process of completing that review. But this is great news um because once the Army Corps permit is in effect, uh then we'll have our citywide permits from both the Army Corps and D. And as I've mentioned, um private property owners will be able
to to avail themselves of those permits to conduct dredging on their private properties. And there will be more detailed information on that to come. So, it's really great news, really exciting. I know it's been a long road. Um, but, uh, this is why we did this. So, um, it's a really good update on
Shelter Island. No update other than we're still working on that permit with Stockton as our ultimate disposal site for our dredging activities. The Amherst Avenue pump station project, uh, good news there. uh another long road, but the uh Greenacres diversion was officially approved by the state on
December 15th, which is great news um that we can now officially use that site for our um subsurface pump station. So now we can move forward with the full design on that, which is good news for some of the nuisance flooding that we've heard about down in that area. As Pat mentioned, the uh new public works
building, we had a public information meeting on the 10th. Um we pretty much presented what was presented here at our last commission meeting. maybe in a little bit more detail. There were some questions, there were some comments. Um, mostly positive from from what I recall.
Um, and so that was uh just some additional information on that project. We did have a bid opening for our Veteror Avenue parking lot project. We project we did not receive any bids on this first round of bidding. So, and that happens from time to time. What we will do is we will rebid the project. We will um reach out to some of the
contractors that picked up plans, get some feedback from them. Um sometimes we'll revise the scope a little bit if we get some feedback from contractors but bidding it again will allow us if say for example we didn't receive any bids um after the second round to negotiate directly with a contractor to
um price this project. So that would be uh the plan for that project. Um and we'll obviously work with the city on exactly how we want to proceed. We also received bids for the 2025 road program on the 11th. Uh we have a low bid from Lambert Construction. Uh so we will
consider that for award at an upcoming meeting. I believe that project is in the bond um that's being uh considered for adoption today. Jumping over to page two. No update on our storm order compliance or CRS. We are awarding a contract for the redevelopment of well
10 to AC Schulties. That resolution is on today's agenda. No substantial updates for our watershed improvement plan or our lead service line work. Uh we have started the design process for the Bloom Pavilion deck. Jumping down to construction, we've moved our uh fiscal
year 24 Winchester Avenue project into closeout. So, we'll get that closed out and reimbursed from the state for our 23 road program. Nassau Avenue has been paved. Uh reconstruction of Thurlo Avenue, Thurlo Avenue has been repaved.
Jumping over to um the Sigm restroom, we're in punch list phase there, so we'll be wrapping that project up soon. the Washington Avenue streetscape project. Our first phase of construction is in progress as is our construction on the 2024 road program. Um, as I
mentioned, lead service line replacement project is in progress. We will have a public outreach plan to share with the city um in the beginning of the year and that'll involve detailed outreach to the public uh public meetings, things of that nature. Once we have more information on dates and things like that, um we'll share that publicly. our
Atlantic Avenue bike lane project uh will take place once the road is repaved. And then the last item on here is our Atlantic Avenue roadway project from Huntington to Mansfield. Um and they anticipate starting work this week. So that is my report.
>> Thank you. >> Yep. Scott, >> just to expound on uh Ed's advisement about the dredging. Uh everybody should realize it's been more than 8 years that we've been trying to get dredging permit for citywide,
meaning not only city property, but public and private property as well. At the beginning, the DP really was very much against it. We couldn't even dredge because of shellfish habitat that we would be destroying such as the mound over where
the log cabin is. We late Senator Whan helped us with that. We passed state legislation and I always like to tell the story how we had to go to these committees in Trenton where some of the politicians from Essex and Bergen County had to approve this to get it to voted for the full assembly and the full
Senate. And we were worried because we thought, well, these guys are from Bergen County. or they care about us. But they, one of them reminded me, he said, "We all have summer homes on Long Beach Island, so you don't have anything to worry about." And lo and behold, the law passed, which is why we are able to
now dredge. State put us through the ringer. We had to do very special testing. Uh, I'm absolutely convinced that beach replenishment has something to do with us losing all the boat slips that we've lost and the areas that have sealed it up. Even better news now,
Scarboro Properties met with us last week. They have a bunch of marinas up and down South Jersey coast. They also have a dredging company. They've dredged over 50 homes in Ocean City. That's for private dredging. So, for instance, if a homeowner wants to have their dockage or
their area dredged out, they pay for that. And Scarboro has the equipment. They actually did blue water here in Margate. And they also did the water park and there was no problem whatsoever. They had specially built uh dredge barges made in Indiana. They had
special trucks. We never had a problem. They trucked everything out. They have two sites where they can landfill it. Now, we're trying to get the ability to use Shelder Island for dredge material, but that's a long hard road. We're not there yet with the D,
but in the meantime, Scarboro wants to start dredging this January. He bought one of the marinas along uh Jerome Avenue, which is very badly sealed it up. He's trying real hard. Eddie, I didn't know we got the Army Corps permit on Friday. That was the hangup. We got
to let Shawn know. He wants to mobilize. Now, I guess the Margie City, we're going to have to come up with some kind of a game plan to coordinate if other homeowners want to do it or h how they want to get involved. But this is a tremendous thing for Margate in my opinion because number one, they said
for years we can't have it, you can't do it. Number two, we have a lot of areas in Margate that are not navigable or that they can't keep boats. Derome Avenue is just but one. Some of our marinas along Amhurst Avenue. So now all of these places can be dredged because
it's a citywide permit. So it goes from Koolage Avenue to Fredericksburg Avenue. And uh we certainly want to encourage Scarboro to start dredging because he'll be the first one. And whatever issues there are that are going to crop up, he's very well prepared to deal with
that. And then we can move forward with our own dredging uh as to how we're going to do our lagoons or wherever else. So, it's an exciting time. Finally, after all these years, we finally got Eddie. Congratulations to you, your team. Um,
and it's just really something how difficult it is to get these permits, but that's the way government works. So, so that's basically it. That's all I have. It's a I'm I'm extremely happy about it myself. I know the log cabin's anxious about it. I know I must get a
phone call a week from homeowners that want to, you know, get their docks functional. And uh of course that contributes to the value of these Bayfront properties as well. So that's it. That's what I've got. >> Thank you, Johanna. >> I have nothing to report other than we
are in the process of processing our 2026 Bantail licenses. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Commissioner Horn. Yes. >> I just wanted a comment u just as I just switched uh I'm sorry, microphone
please. So, there was still an issue with this microphone. I switched microphones. Um, I'm hoping that someone online is able to tell me whether or not it's working or not. >> Perfect. >> Okay. >> Like I said, I hear you. My wife tells me I'm deaf, so I
>> I'm now getting positive. Perfect. Works great. Thank you. >> Okay. Public comment. Um, only on the items being discussed at this meeting at this time. Can I have a motion to close public comment? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second.
>> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn. >> Yes. Can I have a motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes.
>> Commissioner Blumb? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn? >> Yes. Johanna, let me know when you're ready. >> Good. >> Okay. >> Johanna, will you please read the statement of compliance?
>> The notice requirements of the Open Public Meeting Act for this meeting have been satisfied. A copy of the annual meeting notice was sent to the Atlantic City Press star ledger posted on the bulletin board in the municipal building, the municipal website, and
filed in the office of the municipal clerk. Please turn off all electronic devices. >> Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> Attention salute. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to
the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible and justice for all. >> Johanna want to take the role. >> Mayor Collins >> here. >> Commissioner Blumbber >> I am here.
>> Commissioner Horn >> here. Can I have a motion to approve the minutes from the December 4th regular meeting and workshop? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. >> Yes.
>> Commissioner Horn. >> Yes. >> I'd like to open public comment, resolutions, and ordinances. Adoption only at this time. Motion to close. Public comment. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second.
>> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn? >> Yes. >> Go ahead. May I have a motion for the adoption of ordinance number 21-2025
bond ordinance appropriating $8,925,000 and authorizing the issuance of 8,478,000 $750 I'm sorry I'll start that again a bond ordinance appropriating 8,92
$25,000 and authorizing the issuance of $8,478,750 in bond and notes for of the city of Margate City for various capital improvements or purposes authorized to be undertaken by the city of Margate
City and County of Atlantic, New Jersey. >> I make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins. Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn. >> Yes. May I have a motion for the adoption of ordinance number 22, bond
ordinance providing for various water and sewer capital improvements in and by the city of Margate City in the county of Atlantic, New Jersey, appropriating 7,500,000 therefore and thou,000
therefore and authorizing the issuance of 7,500,000 bonds for note of the city for financing the cost thereof. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second.
>> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn. >> Yes. I have the motion of ordinance number 23-2025, an ordinance amending ordinance number 11-2025
fixing the salaries and compensation of certain officers and employees of the city of Margate City, County of Atlantic, New Jersey. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins, >> yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Horn, >> yes. May I have a motion for the adoption of resolution number 322-2025 authorizing bill payment and claims? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes.
>> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn? >> Yes. >> May I have a motion for the adoption of resolution number 323-2025 authorizing payment to Kmar Home Center? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second.
Mayor Collins, >> I abstain. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Horn, >> yes. >> May I have a motion for the adoption of resolution number 324205 authorizing a transfer of budget appropriations?
>> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Horn, >> yes. May I have a motion for the consent agenda which consists of resolution number 325-2025 through resolution number 329-2025.
>> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Johanna, can we correct that 339 >> 339-2025? >> Okay. May I have a motion for the consent agenda for resolution number 325,
2025 through resolution number 339? >> I'll make that motion. >> 2025. Thank you. >> Second, >> Mayor Collins, >> yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Horn, >> yes.
>> That's a Thank you. Let's open public comment again. Hello everybody. Uh Brian Duffy, 312 North Claremont Avenue. Uh just a couple things were brought to my attention uh recently and I just want to clarify
things. All right. Um last week or last uh commission meeting we approved the the movement of one of our employees to controller. Right. Correct. Um my my question now is
was did everything move accordingly? Are we going to be able to be paid efficiently on time um in the next pay period? I'm getting a lot of questions through the uh from the city employees asking me somehow I became the spokesman
and I'm stuck up here talking. So uh number one was John moved to the comproller position like it was voted on and is that now like all the ducks in order? >> Pat, do you know? Yes, he's yes, he's
been moved to that position. It's been approved by PCA and civil service. Okay. And he's being paid in the proper position for that for that role. >> We are currently working on that. >> Okay. I just wanted to clarify that's all. Thank you very much, guys. Merry
Christmas. >> Everybody's getting >> all right. You know, >> it's that time of year. You know, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Um Joel Narof in uh 223 North Washington. I just have a question. Last
year we bonded out 20 I think $26 million as bond issue about a year ago and what I see here is we have about $17.5 million in in bond issuance this year. Am I correct on that?
Okay. So, we're we're looking at something like $43.5 million in bond issuance in in the course of 12 to 13 months. Um, can somebody provide some financial numbers on the impact of uh
the servicing of those bond issues on the budget? and will we stand on things such as the the ratio of servicing cost to revenue? >> So, I can help you in the with your first question and then Pat can help you
uh and probably get back to you. The uh our accounting people are working the analysis. We're in a spot where our CFO is out on leave, but we have been working with our financial people. The best guess that we have right now is
that we're look probably looking at a one penny increase over the next two or three years in order to service the debt if nothing else is, you know, substantially goes crazy as it relates to salaries,
wages, additional projects. Um, you know, but but right now that's the target and that's what we're looking at. Are there any thoughts about what we might need to bond for in 26? I mean, this is a lot. I I presume there's some reason why we've had such a large
increase in the uh the bond issuance in in the last 12 months. >> So Pat, if you want to weigh in. >> Sure. It's my understanding and it's it's uh relative to a time period when I was not here, so I may be speaking a little bit out of turn. Um it's my
understanding that for years they've kept the bond ordinance down um with excuse me with regard to um the streets uh being repaired um our infrastructure being repaired and unfortunately when we
do that for a long period of time there's going to be a time when we actually have actually have to catch up and it appears from what I'm being told um coming in here over the last years that Um we're trying to play catch-up, trying to bring our infrastructure up, trying to maintain our roadways
properly. Um they've set aside uh some planning on how we're doing that and uh that's how they're addressing it is through the bond issue. >> Okay. Yeah, that no problems doing the capital improvements in the city. It's just the f you know, I haven't seen any
financials on what the implications of all of that means. And looking at what still has to be done, it seems like there's a fair amount that will be coming down the pipe uh or pike. >> So, not really. >> Not really.
>> So, just from a a capital infrastructure project standpoint, obviously I'm not the finance guy, but the >> this bond has a big ticket item in in there has a public works building. So, that's a big chunk of this particular bond. I know the gentleman mentioned $26 million last year. I don't recall $26
million worth of projects last year. that might have been some something else that was happening if we're consolidating things and going out to market. I don't know. I'm just an engineer, but in in at least in this particular bond, >> that is a big ticket item, you know, that doesn't come along every year. So
that >> the bond is >> excuse it a little bit. >> The bond issue had six different bonds to them. That's right. >> Uh of which one was the parking lot. So, um, it's, you know, I was just just curious about what's happening in terms
of the finances and the implication of that. >> I could probably get back to you if if you want to give me your number. I'll get back to you and I'll get those financials over to you. >> Okay, good. Thank you. >> No problem. Sharon Simon uh 424 North Berllo Avenue. I live at Margate in case you didn't get
that part. Um, I was listening to the uh audio of last meeting and um something was said about Von Real speaking that
this term wasn't used but I like the alternative facts or that they were mistruths and um people have called me and asked me because we're trying to follow what's going on with this process. this. So,
has he made statements that are incorrect? And if so, could you educate us? >> I can answer that. >> Okay. >> We're at a severe disadvantage because it's personnel issues and potential
litigation issues. We can't disclose it. I think Vaughn, as a former mayor, knows that as well, >> right? >> So, when he gets up and makes certain statements, some of them we can't refute and tell them what the true story is. We can't say you're wrong because of this reason. >> Okay? >> Because we're our hands are tied.
>> Okay? >> And uh it's it's a tough position to be in because you sit here and you get I'll use the word abused and you hear all this a lot of this stuff and someday it will all come out. >> Okay. >> But not today because we can't we're not allowed to. >> Right. I understand. And that's the
problem. >> Okay. I just wasn't sure and I thought if you know he's putting things out there and they're not correct that that's you know that's public information and I just have a process question too and if this has already been answered just if you could answer
it again for my purposes. So when you do whatever the terminology is that emergency whatever it is I don't know what it's called legally what's the process like it's been approved to move forward if it moves
forward where does it go to >> for what type of emergency? >> No the thing about Lisa. >> So there was an Lisa thing >> that's all on hold right now. That's we're not moving forward anywhere. Okay. Um,
if you were moving forward, where does it go? Like what's the next step? >> I'd just be guessing. I mean, there's a bunch of different avenues. Oh, >> okay. So, it's not >> go to superior court, go to administrative law court, go to I mean, there's there's different ways, but we're not pursuing any of that right
now. >> Okay. Thank you. Are there any other public comments? >> Motion to close. Public comment. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes.
>> Commissioner Horn? >> Yes. >> Solicitor, do we have executive session tonight? >> We'll leave that up to you guys. You want to go into executive session? You do. >> I I think we're good. I'm going to meet with Pat on the one issue that we have to talk about. >> All right. And I think you're up to
date. I think we're in good shape. Then we're not going to go in executive. >> Okay. >> Right. All good. >> I'll make a motion we adjourn. >> Second. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Mayor Collins.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbber. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn. Yes. >> Yes. Thank you and happy holidays everyone.