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Part 1 (Video ID: JcxFRDOy-ak):
- 00:00:00: Call to Order, Pledge, Attendance, Engineering Updates
- 00:06:24: Technological Issues, Department Head Reports Begin
- 00:06:57: Fire Department, Beach Patrol, Safety Reminders
- 00:08:36: Law Department: Child Trauma, E-bikes, Washington Avenue
- 00:11:50: Public Works, Building Department, SDL Permitting Issues
- 00:15:06: Police: E-bike Regulations, Elder Abuse Awareness Day
- 00:18:51: Administrator Report, Capital Budget, MCEA Agreement
- 00:21:28: Commissioner Reports, Public Comment Policy Explained
- 00:27:47: Public Comment: Washington Avenue Two-Way Approval
- 00:29:16: Public Comment: Audio System, Road Repaving Requests
- 00:31:49: Motion to close public comment and Adjournment
- 00:32:23: Call to Order, Pledge, Attendance, Approval of Minutes
- 00:33:29: Public Comment: Mercantile Licenses, Business Concerns
- 00:43:47: Close Public Comment; Ordinances and Resolutions Adoption
- 00:46:47: Veterans Banners Update, Open Public Comment Session
- 00:48:11: Public Comment: Tequila Bar Noise Complaints Begin
- 00:53:20: Public Comment: Tequila Bar Issues, Trash, Promises Broken
- 01:04:50: Public Comment: Noise Complaints, Police Power, Zoning Issues
- 01:17:38: Public Comment: Questions on Illegal Apartment Case
- 01:20:47: Public Comment: Parking Sticker Restrictions Questioned
- 01:22:52: Public Comment: Financial Reports, Lawsuits Against City


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Nice. >> Like to call the meeting to order, please. Johanna, will you read the statement of compliance? >> The notice requirements of the open public meeting act for this meeting have been satisfied. A copy of the annual meeting notice was sent to the press of

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Atlantic City Carrier Post, posted on the Bolton board in the municipal building, the municipal website, and filed in the office of the municipal clerk. Please turn off all cell phones. Please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance.

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Attention to it. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Johanna, please take the role.

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>> Mayor Collins, >> here. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> I am here. >> Commissioner Horn, >> welcome everybody. Uh, sorry for the delay. had some tough technical difficulties. Um we will begin with our engineering report. Ed, please. >> Thank you, mayor. Good evening,

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everyone. Uh starting off on page one, our first update is for the Ventner Avenue parking lot project. We were able to successfully negotiate a price with Elfariazi concrete in the amount of $457,000, which is about $100,000 lower than our

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best bid that we received through the bidding process. So that represents a good savings for the city. Jumping down to item G, the wershed improvement plan. That draft has been submitted to the NJ D for review. This is part of our ongoing compliance for storm water

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within the city and we will need to hold a couple public meetings according to the uh D process for that. So, we'll get those scheduled most likely just during one of our regularly scheduled uh workshop meetings just to explain to the public what's included in the wershed improvement plan um and you know field

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any questions that the public may have on that. So that will be an upcoming event. Flipping over to page two, item J, our lead service line replacement project phase two. We did receive bids on that project this week. The bids came in

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substantially within our IBANK funding budget. Uh so we're in the process of reviewing those bids and then there is a process to go through with the I bank to get an authorization to award. So, we're on target there to secure that additional million dollars in grant funding, principal forgiveness to go

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towards our next phase of lead service line work, which is good news. Item K, the lifeguard headquarters expansion project. We do have a concept plan ready to review um with the city as far as just some some of the thoughts that we had the last time we kicked the project

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off. So, that meeting will be scheduled soon so we can keep the the design of that project moving. Item N is the uh lighting for the Sig rim walkway. We did receive only one bid um for that project. So, we are recommending that we reject the bid and

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readvertise, hopefully attract some additional biders uh on the next round of bidding and then we'll we'll go from there. Item P is our citywide dredging project phase one. We held a meeting um earlier this week to review phasing of the of

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our overall dredging program, some of the general conditions that we want to um have in place for when we bid the project, the municipal permitting process, and then the public outreach um program that we're putting together. Really good meeting. Uh making really good progress. There's going to be a lot

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of information to share with the public very soon. Uh we'll have a website set up um explaining the program, the phasing, the permitting process, all of that. So um there'll be more to come on that, but we're making really good progress on the dredging front. Item

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item S is a uh risk and resiliency plan that we're required to prepare per the EPA. That draft plan has been sent over to our water system operator for his review. We did submit a grant application for beach bulkhead access on

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our street ends to the ACIA through the CDBG funding program. Uh so we'll wait to hear back from the ACIA on how that project ranks. Flipping over to page three and our construction projects. We've moved the redevelopment of Well 10 up into

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closeout. So we'll get that project closed out. Item Z is the Washington Avenue streetscape project. And uh after our last meeting, we did receive word from the NJ DOT that a change order was

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approved to maintain two-way traffic on Washington Avenue between Ventner Avenue and Amherst Avenue. As we all know, uh we continue to receive public feedback on that project after we awarded our construction bid. uh we had to go through the proper processes with DOT to

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make that change and we were formally approved. So that section of Washington Avenue will remain two-way traffic. Uh also on that project, phase one of construction is substantially complete as we can all see outside this building. Looks good. Uh the only thing that's

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left there is to do the bike lane green painting which will be completed once the asphalt has the proper amount of time to settle. Uh that'll be sometime in June and then we'll pick up phase two come the fall of 26. The road program, the 2024 road program, we're in the

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punch list phase. That work is is complete. Our bike lane painting project on Atlantic Avenue will be scheduled for the fall uh just due to the u timing required to get Atlantic Avenue fully paved in this latest phase. So that work

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will be done after the season. Uh last page here is Atlantic Avenue between Huntington and Mansfield. So we do have the bay side of the road paved and the ocean side uh paving. It says on the report here is the first week of June. What will happen is the contractor will

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return the first week of June. Um they do have a little bit of work that needs to get done before they can pave the ocean side of the street. That work will be completed um before Father's Day, you know, before the season really picks up. Um so we'll keep everybody updated as that contractor moves along. And those

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are my updates for today. >> Great. Thank you, Ed. >> Yep. >> Um I just wanted to touch base Pat with in respect to these technological issues we're having. Um if we could have Mike Morris come in the afternoons, maybe on our meeting days and just make sure

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everything's set up just a couple hours in advance, I think that would be beneficial. Um, and then to all of our department heads, I have been getting uh quite a few um concerns from people watching on Zoom that the microphones either are not on

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or not not audible. So, um, even if your green light is on, if you can make sure you're you're talking pretty close to the microphone, some of them, you know, might might be a foot or two away and um, people aren't able to hear. So, if we can just try to do a better job of that, I'd appreciate that. So, uh, we'll

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now go to our department head reports. Chief Adams, will you begin, please? >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, start off just, uh, the fire department is preparing for the summer season. Uh, we have an additional retirement effective June 1st, 2026. Firefighter Debbie Bole is

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retiring after 25 years of service to the city of Margate. Debbie was our first female firefighter in the city of Margate, and she was also the first female firefighter hired in Atlantic County. Uh we wish her the best in her retirement and she just became a Grammy

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as well. So she's going to have a lot of time to fill with her granddaughter. So best wishes to Debbie. Um the beach patrol speaking with Chief Graves today. They're ready to go for the 2026 season. They want to say thank you to public works for their assistance in getting

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some of the preparations ready. Um Chief Graves advised that the following beaches will be open this weekend. Brunswick, Huntington, Osborne headquarters Washington Avenue and pending the weather, how it plays out this weekend. Uh Madison Avenue will be

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open as well. Uh and I can't stress this enough after the tragic event that occurred in Ocean City this week. Uh they had an unguarded drowning at an unguarded bathing beach. And I have to remind everybody, please only swim at guarded beaches during protected bathing

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hours, 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. And you know, heed the warnings of the lifeguards. They're the professionals. They know the conditions. They know what the water's like. And we're going to have strong winds this weekend in excess of 25, 30 mph on Saturday. So, the ocean is going to be churned up a bit. So,

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please heed the warnings of the lifeguards and only swim at guarded and protected beaches. Uh, and that's all I have for today. Thank you, Mayor. >> Thank you, Chief Scott. >> Let's see if I can do this right. >> Can you hear me? Young lady had

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complained that my voice can't be heard. So, hopefully they can hear this one. Now, I really don't have that much directly involved in the law department, but I do want to make two comments. First, we had a young man, as you all know, uh, hit on a motorbike. Chief Hankinson will probably expound on that.

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and our fire department as a it was a child of one of our local firemen was rushed to the child trauma hospital. Some people asked me why did we have a helicopter take the kid to Cooper instead of Atlantic City Trauma and the

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answer is because there is such a thing as a child child trauma center versus an adult trauma center. I didn't know that but now you do. And I think our guy guys did a tremendous job on that. And fortunately, that young man is fine. He

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I understand that he's he's doing very well even though the car ran over him. It highlights the danger of these electric bikes and these electric scooters. Now, state law. Chief Hankinson's on top of this. He was advising me today and I'm sure he'll talk about this that it's coming into

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effect. When is it, Chief? July 19th, right? Is that the new law? Sometime in July. >> Yes. July 19th. and our police are on it. And I've had a number of mothers ask me about this. So, I think it's something we should mention here that we're aware of it. Our police are aware

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of it. And thankfully, the legislature has passed some laws now that give us the ability to police some of the uses of these electric bikes cuz you all know how quiet they are. And a 9-year-old kid really, in my opinion, is not capable of responsibly handling a bike. It's It's

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just too dangerous. Um, what else? The other thing I did want to mention, mayor, I think it was an extremely smart move to listen to the people on Washington Avenue the way the governing body, you guys have done. They didn't

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like this one-way street. There was a lot of feedback on it. And I'm very proud to say the governing body listened to the feedback. So, you got the state approval, Eddie, that that was what we heard now today. We're allowed to keep it two-way. I think it makes a bunch of

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them happy. It's kind of funny because the chief and I were talking about there was a time when people would come in one one way, but on this street they wanted two ways and that's the people's will. And I think it's going to work out fine. And I I think that was really a very

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good move to to bend and make that change uh to them. And people should realize that that they that the governing body listened and did it. And that's all I have. And I hope you could hear me. Am I clear now? >> How about it, Johanna? Can you hear me? Or we don't know.

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>> I'm getting text messages that people can't see or hear anything >> even now. >> Even right this moment. >> It doesn't mean it's you, Scott. That's just what >> Well, there's a technical problem, I guess. >> Thank you, Scott. >> Thank you, Mayor

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>> Pat. >> Thank you, Mayor Commissioner. Uh, just get busy busy getting ready for the weekend in the summer. We got the flowers, the flags, the banners are up. The 40 pots will be on the beach and the bay this weekend. Uh couple odds ends tomorrow and we'll be ready. Also, the

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paper shredding event that we had was supposed to be this uh Saturday the 23rd, but it was moved to May 30 9 to 121 North Benson Avenue. That's all I got. >> Thank you, Palama. >> Hello, mayor and commissioners. Uh the

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building department has remained very busy with permit activity and summer rental license applications. This month alone, we have process roughly 90 seasonal rental license applications so far. We also sent out a contractor reminder email earlier this

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week on behalf of code enforcement regarding dumpsters job site cleanliness, dust control, and general site maintenance as we head into Memorial Day weekend. Um lastly, um last week towns throughout the state using

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the SDL permitting system experienced a major outage. Our office was without access to the system for several days, which created a bit of a backlog with permits and inspections, but our staff worked hard to manually coordinate uh

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the critical inspections and keep things moving as best as we could. Um SDL is now back up and running and we continue working through applications and catching up on processing while uh trying to keep disruption to the public

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and contractors as minimal as possible. And that's all that I have tonight. >> Thank you. Roger. >> Thank you, mayor commissioners. To add on to that, yes, we had to revert back to old technology by using cell phones, fax machines, and and email, but it

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worked out. uh July 20th the new NJ reel impact rules go into effect. They're in effect now but they that's the the grace period ends July 20th. So we're going to be getting together with bringing Bner um

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Summers Point and other towns Longport to discuss how we're going to handle the permitting process. It's getting to the point now where if a neighbor wants to put a fence in, they have to get a permit or a certificate from the state before they get a permit from us, which

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sounds ludicrous, but that's that's what we have to deal with right now. Hopefully, that will go away at some point in time. And uh what you're probably going to see if that goes into effect, you're probably going to see a lot of people doing work without permits. So, you know, if it

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rains, a fence usually grows up in a front yard somewhere. But, uh, we'll probably see more of that. Hopefully, we get a better handle of what's anticipated and expected from the state in regard to us because what's going to happen is homeowners are going to be coming to us and we're going to guide

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them towards hiring an engineer to do the work cuz we're not going to be able to do that for them, but it's going to be very ownorous. So, I'll keep everybody in the loop on that. And that's pretty much it for now. Thank you. Thank you, Roger. Chief Hankinson. >> Thank you, mayor, commissioners. First

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of all, as many of you know, and the solicitor mentioned on Thursday, May 14th, a 9-year-old juvenile was involved in a motor vehicle accident. The vehicle he was driving is classified as an electric pocket bike, and that vehicle is not authorized for public roads.

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Again, we're in that middle period with the new ebike reg uh regulations which come out on July 19th uh 2026. In fact, we have actually gone as far as we've printed up littleformational cards. And although, excuse me, I'm turning around. Please, if everybody would take one of

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these cards, take them, hand them out to your family and friends. It gives you an update on what is expected with the new ebike regulations and of course the current ebike regulations. And again, I would like to emphasize to the parents of the juveniles the dangers of these

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electric electric bikes. And I really do implore them not to purchase these bikes. But if they do, remember, especially on July 19th, you have to be at least 15 years old and possess an appropriate and valid license to operate any type of ebike. However, we are still

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awaiting guidance from the state regarding the licensing and registration. So again, I can push it. I can talk about it. And the state still has some things they have to do in the next 6 to 8 weeks for those individuals who want to register their ebikes and

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they want to ensure them. But again, our biggest push right now is to the the young adult, the young kids 15 years older. And like I said, um it's even bigger with the parents with these bikes to make sure, you know, to know the dangers of these bikes. I also have, and

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this is really something important to me, on Monday, June 15th, 2026 at 11:30, the police department is hosting World Elder Abuse Awareness Day at the Marjgery and Lewis Catz Jewish Community Center at 501 North Jerome Avenue. We're going to have presentations from the FBI

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regarding protecting seniors from scams and frauds. The Atlantic County Office on Aging on resources and support for seniors, the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office on elder abuse issues and prosecution of cases affecting seniors. This event stems from

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a large increase that we've seen over the last 6 months with scams regarding our our seniors. Like I said, it's a there's a lot going on. There's a lot of fraud out there. They're getting very complex in what they're doing and we have seen a huge uptick and a lot of money being lost by our seniors and it's

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our hope that this information we can provide to our seniors is to keep them safe and keep them secure in their community. So again, it's a big event. I have a handout behind me too. We're going to post it all over social media. I would like to have a huge we're going to do it countywide. So I would like to have a really good turnout on June 15th

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for the seminar. Also, just to let everybody know, all the paid parking areas will be in effect tomorrow, Friday, May 22nd, 2026. Traffic maintenance will be installing all the signage for the paid parking tomorrow as well. The areas include Amherst Avenue from Washington to Kage, the municipal

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lot on the unit block of North Washington Avenue, the municipal lot at 200 North Benson, and the new municipal lot at 791 Ventner Avenue. All parking will be done through our vendor park mobile on the mobile app. This is the same app that's used in Ventner, Atlantic City, and most communities in

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the area. Um, so again, all that will be good to go tomorrow per the ordinance. Also, our special law enforcement officers class one will begin tomorrow, and they will they will be enforcing the parking regulations amongst other things. The relief cabanas have been installed along Ammerst Avenue Bayfront

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thanks to public works. Like I said, they always do a great job on anything we ask. And again, I always say a reminder to lock your cars and homes. Just because you're on vacation doesn't mean crime takes a vacation. We see an uptick in people that don't lock their cars or lock their homes. So again, take

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that little ounce of prevention. And as I always say, when we're coming into Memorial Day weekend and this time of year, if you don't like a lot of people, a lot of cars, a lot of kids, a lot of dogs, a lot of everything, it's going to be a tough weekend for you. So for the next 3 months, please be patient and

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enjoy everything we have to offer. We just had to take a little bit more time doing everything we like around here. That's all I have. Thank you, Chief Pat. >> Good evening. Along with uh assisting some of the aforementioned items already mentioned u by the others here, um I've

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dealt with multiple in-house issues related to investigations and disciplinary matters, legal meetings with the GIF attorney. I >> the sound system. The sound system is not on in the room. I couldn't hear Pat.

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>> Hello. >> It's It's just not on. So Pat, if you could just speak >> loud enough so you could >> Roger's on duty. >> All right. So, uh, I I I had a I attended the dredging meeting, uh, contract

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negotiations with the beach and captains, uh, corrections related to our contract, uh, with the MCA in the upcoming year. Uh, DCA verifications related to the CFO position. Uh, final transitions related to finance, uh, where we had people move

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in and move out. Uh the capital budget meeting was held. Um we got some capital budget requests processing some and summer and review of POS submitted for payment processing approval for seasons position seasonal positions and

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lifeguards and I worked on the uh ordinance help work for the ordinance on pop-ups. Um, just a real quick uh thing. There's going to be a uh resolution for a correction to the MCEA uh to be added on the floor tonight.

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That's going to be in a little bit. Um, we had negotiated a a salary that didn't quite make it when we uh did the publication. So, we want to make sure that that's out there and corrected. Um, it's on page 41. Um, and then of course

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I also wanted to um commend Ed, but he left before I could. Um, he did a great job uh getting the Washington Avenue 2-way. The hardest part about that whole thing was keeping quiet about it till we got the actual approvals. So, we didn't get anybody's hopes up. So, uh, thank you very much. And that's all I have for

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tonight. Thank you, Pat. Johanna, >> I have nothing to report except primaries or June 2nd. >> Thank you. All right. So, I have just have two quick things. Uh this uh weekend we were supposed to have a memorial bench dedication and pickle ball tournament in honor of Dan

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Gotautle. Uh because of the weather that has been pushed to next Saturday at 4:30 at the pickle ball courts at Union Avenue uh for anyone that was planning to attend. And uh also just on behalf of the city um want to congratulate Gavin

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Horn Kathy's son for his graduation from University of Delaware. That's why she was she is not able to to attend today. So, want to congratulate Gavin and and the Horn family for that. Um, also just like to take this opportunity a couple times a year I I give a uh you know

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update on public comment just so uh people that haven't been at previous meetings or uh haven't heard it before are aware. Um and uh this one's going to be a little different because after the last meeting I got some feedback that I

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hadn't heard before. So um prior to being elected as you know I know many of you were attending the meetings for uh many years prior to that but uh you'll remember there was a a 3minut clock up here people were given an opportunity to speak held to 3 minutes it was again

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truly a public comment uh period not a question and answer back and forth with the department heads in the commission and when I was elected uh I chose to eliminate that clock um and I I still believe that was the right move. But um the back and forth dialogue we're having

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um I after the last meeting I had multiple people reach out to me that they were unable to speak at the last meeting. Um the constant back and forth you know regarding one or two issues um really prevented them the opportunity to speak. So I kind of want to use this

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opportunity to remind everybody that public com back if you have direct questions related um to for one of our department heads or the commission I encourage you to grab them after the meeting email set up the personal meetings. Um, I find

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that very effective when I when I meet with people and um I know um you know Kathy I'll you know I hate to single you out but I know you last meeting you had a question and the chief turned and said I'll talk to you right after the meeting. You know I think that's that's

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the appropriate thing to do and um I encourage that. Um and I also do like to clarify that there are three sections of public comment. So I do know that that sometimes gets confusing and uh it is by design. So the one that will open up right after I'm done speaking is just

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for items discussed in this meeting. So this is our the city's workshop meeting. It's really a uh interdep departmental meeting that we have because the commission is not allowed to meet with the department heads outside of a public meeting. So this is really the only chance myself and the commissioners have a chance to together hear things that

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the department heads have. Uh we you know talk to them individually. We meet with them regularly, but this is the first time that we we're able to have that dialogue in the same room. Uh we then once we begin our commission meeting, we have a public comment for resolutions and ordinance adoption. So

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that's intended for um you know, we vote on resolutions and ordinances and it gives the the public an opportunity to speak on their feelings on these, whether they support them, whether they don't. um maybe trying to influence a

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decision of of one of one of us and um again that has been effective in the past and we've gotten um uh you know Commissioner Bloomberg I think has at times asked for us to table a resolution so we can have further discussion and

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it's been effective uh when when we get that com that comment u forward. So, so we appreciate that. And then the final comment is uh just general public comment at the end of the meeting. And again, that can be on any topic. Doesn't have to be, you know, it can be citywide. It can be something that affects a resident personally. And

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again, we we appreciate it. And we'll we'll direct people to the to the right person to to resolve their issues. Um, and I do want to say that we do the public comment we take seriously. If you look at all my my notes, and I'm sure Commissioner Blumberg and Commissioner Horn will say the same. We take notes uh

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as we hear the comments, I I write names, I write addresses, I write the comments so that we can then I can then go back to our department heads or um or administrator and say, you know, we have to address this. Um and you know, it it was brought up today, Washington Avenue.

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That's a perfect example of how public comment led to a change. Uh we had um a few people a few residents uh speak uh in opposition to that. Uh we held meetings and um you know Ed Dennis as Pat said was was an integral part of

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that and we went back to the Department of Transportation and we went back and forth many times and um there were multiple meetings with residents where we we got the outcome that that we believe is is good for the um for the entire city of Margate. So, uh, you

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know, another example, um, Sher of often times will ask Ed in his engineering report if we're using pvious asphalt for certain projects. Um, there's been numerous times where Ed said no. And then in a following meeting, as he gives his engineering report, we've changed that as we've had discussions. So, um,

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we do value your your comments and I encourage everybody to, uh, continue to step forward. I also encourage you to email us, call us, set up meetings. Um, personally, I had a business owner approach me two weeks ago with a with a

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problem and uh ask when the next meeting was. He wanted to come up and speak and I said, "Well, you know, why don't you tell me what the problem is?" And within an hour, we had the problem resolved. So, um, there is this uh this belief that only things can only get done here,

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but that is not that is not true. So we encourage you to reach out to us when you when you see a problem, when you have a problem, something that's affecting you so that we can uh give it the attention it deserves uh as quickly as possible. So with that uh I will open up public comment on workshop. So if

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anyone has any comments on any of the items we discussed here today uh please step forward. >> Good evening. I guess this doesn't work, right? >> Well, I'm recording it. >> It's been recording. I just want to say good even a couple of points that I just

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wanted to bring up that were brought up in workshop today. First of all, the the issue of Washington Avenue being two-way. The business community was very very pleased to hear that uh the two-way was again granted for Washington Avenue. It had a tremendous it would have had a tremendous impact on a number of the restaurants and parking lots that were

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down on the end of Washington Avenue. They were quite elated when they heard that once again that uh that it was not going to be made into a one-way project for everybody in that area down there. Uh I don't know if you want me to get into you. I feel a little rugged here, mayor, because I was hoping to get a

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couple of answers and now you're asking me to just make comment uh on the ordinance that's being um discussed and voted on tonight as far as the merkantale licenses are concerned because on the final version there were some changes and I had some questions about that and am I to not discuss that

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and or how do you want to deal with that? Uh so I believe that would be more appropriate for the next public comment when we're discussing that and again when it's rel related to something on the agenda. Uh I think that's that's fair. The the idea really is again if

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somebody says you know chief can you give me clarification what time was that event? We're not going to say see me after the meeting. Uh it's it's really just designed to to not have public hearings on individual issues every meeting. >> Got it. Got it. So I'll just bring it

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back later. Thank you, Ed. I >> just have a couple questions. >> Can you please state your name for the record? >> Herbosac 108 North Adams Avenue, Margate, New Jersey. First, whoever contracted

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and then paid for the audio system in this room should be fired. That's how bad it is. It's been bad for two years now. Either that or the speakers don't know how to speak in front of the microphone. Number two is

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I wanted to say something about Remington and Vernick, but this is the second week in a row I came and after the presentation was made, he's out of here. I think they should be here to listen to everything the city has to say or the people have to say to the city.

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My street was not paved the last time the city had an allout paving project about seven years ago. Since that time on Adams Avenue, they've had 11 sewer openings and 11

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parts of it have been patched and are slowly sinking. Subsequently, even this year, the city's been painting and doing some streets. They've been putting lines down where you can park your car, where you can park can't park your car.

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Remington has overlooked my street again. They went from Washington to Jefferson. No Adams. So I have pictures and I invite the people from Remington who I

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called six times and promised they would call back. I got the phone numbers from the city hall and they never call back. They say they will, but they never call back. I guess we're not paying them enough money to be our engineers.

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I think my street needs repaving and I need someone to look into it as soon as possible. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Herb. Yeah, Pat, if you could maybe just touch base with Herb after the meeting to >> address that contact issue, please.

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Any other public comment on workshop? Is there a motion to close public comment? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? Yes. >> Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins.

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>> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbber. >> Yes. >> All right. >> We will begin momentarily. >> What time? >> Like to call the meeting to order, please. Johanna, will you read the

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statement of compliance? The notice requirements of the open public meeting act for this meeting have been satisfied. A copy of the annual meeting notice was sent to the Atlantic City Press Courier Post posted on the Bolton board in the municipal building,

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the municipal website, and filed in the office of the municipal clerk. Please turn off all electronic devices. >> Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> Attention salute. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Johanna, please take the role. >> Mayor Collins >> here. >> Commissioner Blumbber, >> I am here.

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>> Is there a motion for the approval of the May 7th, 2026 regular and workshop meeting minutes? >> I'll make that motion. Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. >> Yes. >> We will now open up public comment for resolutions and ordinance adoption if

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anyone has any comment on the items on the agenda. Mr. Burgerer, >> happy to come back. Thank you. >> Yeah, this is on the uh the new ordinance on the uh for the M. >> Can you state your name one more time, please? >> Uh Ed Burger, president of Margate Business Association on Amharst Avenue,

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9402. I I had a couple questions about the final rewrite on the ordinance and I was hoping that I might be able to get some feedback. U the first question I had was um well first first the comment you know Pat did a great job I think on trying to

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get some feedback from the individual businesses as it related to trying to deal with the issues that were arising from this whole gyms and athletics on the beach and and on on public property. And you know, uh, once the issue, um,

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with the field was actually solidified, uh, the city reached out to the individual businesses and made them the offer to be able to put some sort of similar event together to help counteract the impact that that might have. And I think that that was a great gesture on the on the city's part to do

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that. The followup on that, which eventually unfortunately because of the bad weather this weekend, still tips the scales in one favor because one of these organizations was offered uh an additional area indoors to be able to conduct this event. But I mean, this I

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I'm viewing this as a one-time thing and and and trying to focus more on how this ordinance is going to impact the business community moving forward. The questions I had, the first one was is uh if there are going to be if

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they're going to allow businesses to run athletic events on the beach. Uh my understanding at this point is is that they would have to get a traveling merkante license and a merkante license or would it just be a facilities use permit and a traveling merkantal

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license? What what exactly is required there? Can you guys hear me this way or do I need to speak? >> Yeah, it works. Okay. Um, the traveling is for store to store the beach permit. Um, and hopefully it's clear in the

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ordinance. Um, and I apologize if it isn't. If we need I've looked at this a 100 times and I'm dizzy from looking at it already. So, clarification is as much for me as anybody else. >> So, um, it would be a used facility um or the beach uh facility. I believe I

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don't have the news or >> so I believe anything on the beach will run through the wreck department and the wreck would uh require the proper paperwork whether it be use of facility or use of public grounds being the beach >> and and are there an unlimited number of

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these available? That's where I where I was going with this really is is are there an unlimited number of these available if everybody anyone who applies gets one or is the city going to designate for example three specific areas on the beach that'll be utilized in the summertime that people can you

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know have some sort of competitive bid for if that arises or is there going to be a kettle bell session at every you know bulkhead at every street you know >> there is no limit defined but that being said it will be at the discretion of the recctor director to make a determination

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as to whether, you know, we're not going to allow 30 people at different groups on, you know, every street end to do it. So there there will be some discretion used uh obviously to make sure that we're not taking over the public space. >> Yeah. I I I think from from the business standpoint, we feel that if there were a

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limited number of these available that what that would do would not only drive up if there if it turned into a bidding process, which it may, that it would not only drive up the bid, which would be beneficial to the city, but it would also uh benefit those individual

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businesses that were bidding on it to generate revenue by having more people attend it. So if there is an evolution of this then I would think that designating specific areas might be a prudent move to make moving forward as opposed to just having it you know the

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wild wild west of everybody who wants to run it and then you would have people would feel that there may be some impropriy where it was being cut off. So that was the first uh the first question. So, real quick, under 183-11, use of facilities section A mean any organized exercise, class, or organized

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activity on any city property to include school property, parking lots, and fields must apply for a use facilities permit. Use for the use of said location through the city's recreation department. A fee for said activity or use will be established at an 8020 split

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with the city collecting 20% of any fee charged for the activity. Then under section B, any organized exercise class or activity on the beach must apply for a use of facility beach permit through the city recreation department. Fees are established as $250 for up to 10

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classes. Um then $250 for each additional 10 classes. Um use permits will be good from May 1st to Labor Day. >> Yeah. I my the way I interpreted that is that if some for each of the 10 classes they would pay the $250, but it it was an unlimited number that would be available and I think it would be

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prudent for the recck department to limit zone specific zones and and use them in in that fashion. >> Okay. uh the the followup on that which I objected to earlier was was the the 80/20 split which I just I think that the fee should be certainly sufficient

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and that I I don't foresee that the city being in a revenue share partnership with what will eventually turn out to be vendors that are outside the city is is uh I don't like the optics on it from a business standpoint and uh I think that

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because you could virtually sidestep the necessity of going before the zoning boarding getting a merkante license by getting a facilities use permit and going into partnership with the city that it it it's it's an endun and I I don't think that that the ordinance

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should allow that. So that was the secondary part of it. The uh the the final question that I have on the overall issue and and let me again repeat what I said earlier when we first started discussing this. I think it's great that the city is is finally getting to the point where we're

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defining what we're able and not able to do because it eliminates a lot of the gray areas. None of it really comes into play unless there's an enforcement plan in place for this. So, is there an enforcement plan, you know, beyond in the past where we really have been

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unfortunately flying by the seat of our pants on this thing? And it's it's not in a lot of cases until either these pop-ups actually pop up and one of us drives past them or one of us sees a pre-promotion the day before, you know,

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on social media that some kid is going to sell, you know, college stuff from their mom's driveway, you know, uh is there any plan for code enforcement to check and make sure that these permits

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are in place to make sure that the paperwork is being taken care of. >> So, I think the short answer is yes. And I think if you can discuss with Pat offline, um he can give you go through the specifics and how we're going to do that, but it is yes. And it's going to

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be obviously a um growing pains for us as well as we get feedback from you, but we'll make sure we make it clear to the public how to how to address those issues. Can can I just get some indication since it's Thursday before Memorial Day weekend and and I could always I I'm already in a position where I could inform you of four different

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events that are unsanctioned by the city that are going to occur this weekend. Where do I go? >> It's a code enforcement issue. So, we go to code enforcement. >> You you can come to me right after the meeting. I'll report it to code enforcement. Make sure that they take care of it this weekend. >> Okay. Thanks. Thank you. >> Ed, before you go, I have a question.

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Yeah. >> And I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I will. Is it your recommendation that we vote this ordinance down at this time and re revisit it? >> No. Uh, no more. It's not. >> Okay. >> No. My recommendation is to pass the ordinance. I think it's got I think it's

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got tremendous value. I think that it needs to be massaged and I think that through its execution, it needs to be refined the same way. And and again, if for example, if it require if the recreation department needs to give the approval to give a spec to approve one

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of these permits on the beach and and through dialogue, it's determined that it would be a great idea to have one of these exercise programs, you know, one at the north end of town, one at the south end of town, and one in the middle. And those are the ones that they're going to approve and then be bid on. You know, I don't think that's

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necessarily has to be a part of the ordinance. I think it needs to be part of the execution. So, no, my my recommendation would be to vote for it, but to do that with the understanding that, you know, it's it's a work in progress. >> Thank you. So, >> thank you, Ed. >> Thank you.

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>> And I I do want to say, you know, Ed and I have been working on this together for 10 years when I was on the board of the MBA and uh it's been an ongoing issue over the last year. We've had plenty of meetings and dialogue, you know, not just myself and the business community,

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but but Ed with um with Pat and the chief, and it's it's been ongoing. Um we believe this uh ordinance is good. Do I know that it's going to be great? Not yet. And as Ed said, I think we're going to it's going to take um us to

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understand how to enforce it. Um you know, we changed a lot of rules. How is this how's this really going to impact the community and and how are we going to be able to handle it? So, I think um I believe somebody came up to me after the last meeting when it was introduced and said um what if it needs to be

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changed? Well, if it needs to be changed, we amend the ordinance and we have we have the ability to do that. So, I think we have an open mind. Um the business community has an open mind that we think this is a step in the right direction and we will continue to look at it to make sure it is written the way

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it should be and adapt it as we need to. So, um, again, Ed, thanks for all of your input on that. Do we have any other public comment on resolutions and ordinance adoption? >> Is there a motion to close public comment on resolutions and ordinance adoption?

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>> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> Johanna, will you proceed, please? May I have a motion to adopt ordinance number 6-2026,

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an ordinance amending chapter 257, vehicle and traffic of the code of the city of Margate City, county of Atlantic, and state of New Jersey? >> I'll make that motion. Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbber.

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>> Yes. May I have a motion for ordinance number 7-2026, an ordinance amending chapter 183, Merkantile Licensing of the Code of the City of Margate City, County of Atlantic, State of New Jersey?

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>> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> May I have a motion for resolution number 114 2026 authorizing bill payment and claims? I'll make that motion. >> Second.

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>> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. >> Yes. >> May I have a motion authorizing payment to Kmar Home Center resolution number 115 2026? >> I would ask that we table that, please.

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>> Okay. The motion is to table. Um, Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> I'll second that. >> You'll second it. Okay. >> Mayor Collins, >> yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. >> May I have a motion for the consent

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agenda which consists of resolution number 116 2026 through resolution number 128 2026. >> I'll make that motion. Second. >> Mayor Collins.

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>> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbber. >> Yes. And my from the floor we have a resolution as soon as I locate it number 129 that

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I am requesting A motion for resolution number 129, 2026, approval accepting the corrected MCEA labor agreement January 1st, 2026

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through December 31st, 2026. >> I'll make that motion. Second, >> Mayor Collins, >> yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. So, I did I I forgot I want to add one more thing. Um today we completed

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the hanging of our veterans banners. Uh the ones that uh that have currently been ordered and that we have have on hand. So I encourage everybody to uh take a stroll down Washington Avenue and down the prominade uh all the way to Coolage. Um Pat, do you have the exact

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number where we're at now? I believe it's close to 90 banners we have uh for our Margate heroes. Um, and the ones with, you know, medals and accommodations, they're listed on the banners and, uh, it's quite remarkable. Um, you know, the

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members of this community and what they did. So, I just want to recognize all of them. Um, and, you know, thank all of our veterans for for their service and again encourage everybody to to take a look and and look at those banners and read read the names and and what they've

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done. It's it's quite a sight. So, thank you, >> Johanna. Uh before we move on, can you clarify the dates on resolution 129, the start and the end date?

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I think you read uh >> through 20 through December 20 31st, 2026. >> Mhm. >> Should that be through December 1st, 2029? >> Yes, it would. >> Okay. So So if we could just clarify that. >> Okay. Um would like to correct the

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record that the dates for this resolution 129 2026 approval accepting the corrected MCA labor agreement is January 1st 2026 through December 31st 2029.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. We will now open up public comment. If anyone has any comment on any any topic of your choosing, please step forward. Jeff Hoffner, 5 South Monroe. Um, where do I get started here? So, this is for

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you, Mr. Mayor. Sunrise to Kilibar. Was that outdoor or indoor last year? >> Jeff, as I said, I'm happy to have a meeting and discuss everything. You know, I sent I sent an email out twice to you guys. I don't even get a response. Received anything. Did you

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receive the last email? >> All emails I received and then Mr. Moran said he met with you and resolved all >> correct, but it's not resolved by no means. >> He's working towards a resolution. >> I mean, where do we stand here? Is it I

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don't want to listen to Tina Turner on a Sunday afternoon 300 ft away cooking burgers. >> So I believe uh >> Saturday, Sunday 1 to 4. I don't I really don't. And Pat, you can attest to what you witnessed here

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>> when I was when I was over >> and that was not as noisy as normal, >> right? Friday Friday night. This past Friday night I went out all week. I was just checking out to see what the noise level was. >> Pat, could you turn your speaker on, please? >> Sorry.

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>> You got me. >> All right, cool. >> Pretty close to M. >> All right. So, anyway, um yeah, I did witness that the base was something that would definitely be um heard inside Mr.

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Ha's house. Um I did speak with the owners of Tequila um and their attorney to try to resolve that. They're trying to at this point from what they told me, they're trying to find somebody to give them guidance as far as an engineering go engineer goes with a sound device at

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a distance to see if they can make sure that they adjust their sound levels to where they need to. Um, I spoke to uh uh Mr. Hilner today um and he had not retained somebody as of yet, but was working on it. Um he had he had called

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several people that weren't available um that weren't able to come out. So, he was still looking to find a vendor um at the last at the last uh conversation I had with him. >> Yeah, you could have Sony Music come out there, their engineer, that's not going to do it. There's no acoustical

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containment in there whatsoever through the ceiling. You can go to Steven Cookies Oyster Bars. Noisy as heck. You can't hear it outside. We can go right on down the line. Sophia's Tomatoes on a Friday night,

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Saturday night, >> Johnny's. >> Now, this past Saturday night, I did go there, but the wind was blowing a certain way, >> right? >> You couldn't hear anything, not even the bass. As a matter of fact, I actually was wondering if they actually had music that night. Um, but that was again, it was the wind.

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>> That's the first time they must have seen you get out of the car or something. That's the first time in a year and a half. And it's the first time >> since we've been coming here that somebody finally came out and witnessed this. Why' it take a year and a half? I mean, uh,

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>> we've been dealing with this and the chief's been dealing with it all for a long time, and his officers are great, but they have no direction. >> As I have said before, and I know we've had this, my officers will go there all the time. We will issue summones

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>> as the day is long. >> I understand. and you have to have a little more bite. >> And I understand like I said, we have worked with the ABC. We have worked with the other agencies. There are the ABC comes down all the time. I don't want to

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just uh pigeon hole say sunrise to kill. >> I'm sure they go to all the places. >> They go to all the places and there are violations pending. I mean, there are ABC violations pending. There's fines that the police department has written over the last year and a half. I have spent many many hours I >> I know I

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>> on duty and off duty regarding this. So again it does not fall on deaf ears with me right >> just so I can assure you of that and I will work with all of our department heads for some kind of resolution. >> I appreciate it. It's it's a year and a half.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you Jeeoff. Hi, Liz O'Brien for South Monroe. Um, so we've sent emails. We sent a lawyer's letter two meetings ago. You asked for it to be responded to. We haven't heard

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anything back. That's over a month ago. Um, so the letter has been here since December. No response. We come all the time saying the same things over and over. Very little is happening. Very, very little. So, I understand the owners are

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now they're working with another engineer or another sound person or something. Uh, but the problem still exists. So, how about while we wait for them to resolve the problem, we turn the music off at 10:00. We've been dealing with it for a year

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and a half, two years, how many summers? Um, we keep waiting for them to fix their problem. We're just giving them more and more opportunity to fix something. Why don't we just turn the music off until it's fixed and then they can just turn the music on as loud as they want, as late as they want if it's

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not audible outside. Um, the other thing is we had the meeting here with the owners. Um, they made a lot of promises. You remember, you remember, um, Brian Hilner still parks his car. We have

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pictures of all every day, probably most days, his truck parked there. Over the weekend, it was probably there for two hours, gone for a couple hours, there for three hours, gone. It's still his personal parking spot.

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Um, the trash still gets thrown out. They said they were going to try to train their employees to throw the recycles away gently so it wasn't loud in the middle of the night. I can play you a video right now of 12:30 at night

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of two guys just chucking bags of bottles and cans into the dumpster. Clank clank clank. >> So, I have a question for you because I was there um when I was there and I was with Mr. Hoffna. The noisiest part about that whole thing was them lifting up the gate. >> Lifting the gate. Yeah. I told I said

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that at that point meeting also. I said that is going to be too noisy. >> Right. That was that was the that was the loudest part of them putting the stuff in the trash can. >> So I didn't know. >> I agree with you. That's a problem. >> I'm sorry. You can't speak from there.

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>> I agree with you. That's a problem. The door it should be a different kind of a door. The other thing is they don't actually still they promised to not have any trash visible. that would alleviate the smell, the the

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you know the fact that we have to see it. Um this is what it looked like this weekend. So there's a lot of trash. I'm pretty sure I sent this to you, Chief. Um I still everything I've read, this is a

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bottleneck here for emergency eress. If three people are running down because there's a fire a breast, only two are making it past these obstacles and one person's going to trip and fall and probably be trampled. I'm just showing you this is if they

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have a fire that is a problem, a legitimate issue. I think we can all agree. So, this is how the trash the top of the dumpster. I'm just zooming in here. This is what it looks like. So, this is so thin probably if you put your finger through it or any animal or bird,

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seagull could get through this thin bag of looks like food trash. This is how it was overnight. So, from like 8:00 p.m. the night I don't even know what this is. If it's a banana peel, some disgusting tomatoes. I don't know. This This is what is literally

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right next to my tenants's car. It This is going to smell. This is May right now. Imagine this in August. This is disgusting. This is what they promised to not do. And literally within a week of them promising that they will

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not have any visible trash, here we are. So that's my pictures for the day. Um, still parking in the loading zone, still leaving the trash area open, still having too much trash. Um,

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minor point, but they said there'd be no smoking. Eric sat here and said how disgusting it is to smoke and how there should be no smoking. And they promised to tell all their employees there would be no more smoking. There's guys smoking out there all the time, every day. So, in fact, it's the same guy. I could probably

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There's a couple people, but one guy mainly. Um, they're just they haven't done anything. We had the meeting. We came. We spent our time. So much time we have spent about this. I'm so sick of talking about

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it and having nothing happen. Please answers. Please, please answer. Can we just turn off the music to start there at 10:00 until they resolve their noise issue? >> Yes. So, again, as as we've been, you know, trying to resolve this, Pat's been having meetings

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with with all of you. Um, a lot of these refer to, you know, some of them are zoning issues, some are code enforcement. >> That's why we like to do it at this meeting because you're all here, >> right? But the the best way to do it is to to meet with >> So, I should go to eight different meetings. >> No, I mean, if you have a if you have a

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a zoning concern, I suggest you meet with Commissioner Blumberg and and Roger. If you have a um a trash something issue, suggest you meet with Pat and myself and then uh the chief and uh Commissioner No, I just told you most

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of my issues. So, >> yeah. And I and I agree. And we take these and I I go to go to Pat often and I go to Pat and we we do the best to address. >> If I can just add one of those things that we did um when we had that meeting was we tried to promote that you guys speak to each other to try to resolve

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things and it's my understanding like there's no communication between them and you guys at all. Has there has there been any >> I have an issue with that. I So, Chief, we talked we went back and forth. I sent these pictures. cuz I appreciate you went right over. You took care of it. It was all clear after you left. Every time

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I've done that, you've left and it's all clear. But I will say again, I came to the planning board meeting before it was approved. I told everybody there were this was a packed house. I told I explained

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in quantity and numbers how much trash they generated now and now we're adding 89 people and how much more volume they would need. I think I came up with that they were going to need a they have two dumpsters, two 5year dumpsters. They were going to need three. I was exactly right cuz they don't have it's everybody

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agrees now they don't have a big enough trash area and nothing was done about it then. Sorry, I just totally lost my train of thought. Um I don't want to So I voted no on this project, but I don't get a vote that

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counts. So, I think they I don't I don't want to be the one policing. I didn't want this in the first place. Chief Adams, you said, you know, I I understand from the meeting that you guys had that you should be reaching out to the owners before me. This is an

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emergency. I'm not an emergency person. I'm not a first responder. If somebody trips and falls, it's not going to be on me. I've told you guys about this for years now, or months at least. I don't know how long I've been bringing these kind of pictures, but I don't want to be the police of my neighbors.

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I I sat here and told everybody, "This isn't a big enough area. It's not a big enough area. Here's the here's the result. Why should I now have to talk to the owner when this happens? It shouldn't be on me." >> And and they've made lots of promises.

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Who's holding them to these promises? You said it was a gentleman's agreement. Who's the gentleman? when we sat and had that discussion, ma'am, like there was there was an understanding between everyone that you guys would have contact with them and discuss it with them. Um, and now you're saying that you don't think that that should be correct. >> So, every day I have to text Brian, move

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your car, text Dana, there's trash in the I have to do that. >> We discussed that at the meeting. It was my understanding that this was going to be something that you guys were going to try to work on getting an amicable relationship and that you got you would contact them when there was a problem

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and they would try to resolve it at that point like that was what we walked >> I agree with you but at that meeting >> we laid out all the problems I don't want to go talk about all the old pro they should just fix those pro they made promises they said we will not have visible trash we will not have visible

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trash this is not They're not doing their part. I don't want to have to call them every time they're not doing their job. They made a promise. They should I'm going to I will reach out if it's something new and something that they haven't already promised to do. But I'm not going to

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keep calling them every how every day. How often should I call them? Every day they do something. They break a promise that they made at that meeting. I'm not going to keep calling them. So the other thing is that meeting when you agreed to it then you >> No, no, I did not agree to that. I was told everybody walked away from there

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Mr. have it that they were going to try to resolve it amongst each other first. You guys exchange telephone numbers. >> Pat, so every time I see trash outside of the dumpster, you want me to call Dana? >> How about one time? At least once.

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>> Okay, I'll call Dana one time. That is not going to solve this problem. They're not people of their word. >> They're not doing anything that they said they would may be the case, but it would be like again like we had that meeting in order to try to promote this. It's not happening. And I'm not saying

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that it will, and I'm not saying it's going to resolve the issue. Are >> you putting it back on me to do? >> I'm not putting it back on you. >> I have to do something. I have to call Dana or I have to call Brian. >> We you we've had this meeting. You indicated that, you know, you you act like we're not trying to do anything. We tried to promote this and like, you

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know, give them the opportunity to fail. >> They gave their they gave you the number. >> They're failing. We als I have pictures. They're failing. >> Then call them and tell them you're failing. I I this is >> I really think that's going to solve the problem. >> I just want to kind of reemphasize the this back and forth that we're doing. So

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I encourage So none of the commission were at those meetings. It's there it's it was a you know not more than one could be at those meetings. If there needs to be a follow-up meeting Pat that you have to have with this group of people, I encourage you invite one of the three of us and and we come and and we can uh try to take this a step

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further. I don't think we need to be at the meeting. You heard the promises. Why don't you have a meeting with them and just tell them hold up your part of the bargain. I >> I'm I'm attempting to do that. I I've been calling them and talking to them. And what >> I don't know what we could what we could

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add to the meeting. We're just going to say the same things we say all the time. >> That's fine. If you guys do not wish to have a meeting, that >> I mean, I'll go. Don't pull it on me like I'm not. I wouldn't discourage you if you guys decide over the course of the next two weeks to to attend a meeting, have one of the three of us

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present that we'd be happy to to join as well. >> You could all come. I invite everybody. If you guys come, I'll goally. >> Okay. So, whoever wants to. >> Mike, can I ask again? Have you or Kathy had any discussions with Brian and Dana

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directly about the issues? >> No. I mean, I can't speak for Commissioner, but >> would would it would it make sense for you to reach out to Brian and talk to him? >> I can I can attempt that. Yes. >> Great. Thank you.

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>> Sure. >> Just one last question. So, after all of this, I mean, we've been coming here for how long? How many meetings? We have a lot of different issues. The noise seems to always be the biggest problem. Um, I

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think if the noise was resolved, a lot of the other things would go away as well. Um, so after the meeting here on May 6th, it was um I think last weekend, Jeff took a video um of the noise. He

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said, "Oh my god, I just got home. It's so crazy loud. You wouldn't believe it." I think he left you a message, a voicemail. You said you could hear the music over the voicemail. was so loud from Jeff's house across the street and all the windows were closed and the roof louvers were closed and it was still

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that loud that you could hear it on his voicemail. So when Jeff called the police, the police came out. I can't even believe this. I'm saying these words. They were given a warning. So am I to understand that they need a

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warning still? They they they sat at this table with us. They definitely know there's a noise problem without you talk without anybody. They absolutely know there's a problem with the noise. Why in the world would they need another

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warning? Why is there not a consequence? Anyone? >> I'd be happy to address that. And every time we always give them the opportunity as we do every business, every time we get a noise complaint to try to we try to get it to an acceptable level. And if it doesn't get to that, my officers do

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issue the noise summons. I said, "Mr. Hoffner, you can attest to that. Even the citizens have issued summones in the past and can be subpoenaed." Again, I I sometimes take umbrage to the effect that if my police department's not doing anything, I am

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working the hardest in this city to solve this problem. And on a weekly basis, I hear this every meeting about the ineffectiveness of my police department. And you have no idea how that hurts me as the administrator of my department because I have done

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everything for the last year and a half in attempts to solve this problem. So my officers do everything and guidance under me like I said and we wouldn't just again sometimes it could be a little bit discretionary. It could it

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might not be that loud from where they are but again the fact that we haven't done anything. I am the only department that has done something 16 noise ordinances. We have been there all the time. I have a whole file about the noise. I have taken every complaint. I

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understand and I hear your complaints. Again, this is a problem that we all are trying to solve together and I am more than willing to help. >> I'm totally not insulting you or your department. I think you guys are doing a tremendous job and I think your hands are tied. I think the city needs to give

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you more power to do something because these people do not need any more warnings. They know exactly what they're doing and they're getting away with it every single night. So they just keep doing it. That's what's happening. >> Am I wrong?

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>> Again, listen, the they are by law allowed to have music past 10. We can't tell them they can't have >> audible across the street. >> Correct. So that's again the issue that that is >> you should listen to his voicemail that Jeff left him. >> You know, again, we talk about it. It has to be below a certain decel level.

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That's that's something >> a warning is ludicrous right now. It's why they keep doing what they're doing because you're not giving the police the power to do something further. They need a consequence that isn't nothing. >> But again, Liz, this isn't the public safety aspect of this. They're doing a tremendous job. It's not a public safety

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issue. It's a zoning whether it's exceeds that or not. It's not a public safety issue. So, that is something that they've been trying to address. And I I I get that the public doesn't understand that because it does seem always to fall on the police because this these issues happen when there's a lot of It's the

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police that go and break it up and turn off, you know, it seems like the police do that often. >> Um, >> okay. So, who would be able to do that? >> Unlawful and then there are some things that are violations of of the ordinance. So,

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>> they're not feeling any consequences, right? A warning is nothing to them. That's why they just keep doing it every single night. There's no consequence. >> Thank you. I guess I'm done. Jeff Hoffner, 5 South Monroe, Roberts. I've been at Roberts plenty of

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times when the officers unplugged this week's uh speaker at 10 p.m. Unplugged it. So, it's done. This continues on our street blocks and blocks away. It's a continuous thing.

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I believe his hands are tied. Why can't it be 10 p.m. until you put a hard ceiling in there? I agree with the Liz. Everything she said right on target. >> All I can say is we're trying our best to try to resign. >> I mean, it's been a year and a half. I

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mean, how much more do we have to try? We got to go through another summer, another Friday, Saturday night. >> There are legal steps that we have to take. >> Pat, please turn your speaker on. >> There are legal steps that we have to stay. We have to to stay with it. We We

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can't just go in there and shut them down. >> You pull if they pull the plug on Robert's speaker, it's Robert's. They're they're done at 10 o'clock. That's I've seen it. officer's there 10 of pull the cord done. I >> I can't comment on that. All I can say is that we have certain steps we have to

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follow. Um and we're trying to do that. I'm trying to trying to get them to comply as we go along. Um and as this continues, we're going to keep trying to get them to comply. >> How long do we have to continue for?

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>> I'm trying as fast as I can. I can only go as far as only as quick as as it allows as the system allows. Okay. Hi, uh Janine Deerro, 6 South Monroe. Um I'm I'm going to make this real short. I'm not going to stand up here forever

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because I'm going to send everything in an email. I have emailed several occasions. I have never received a response from anyone. I'm just um stating that. Um so we did have a meeting with the owners. The attorney spoke for them most of the time. What

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came out of that meeting is that yes, they understand that there's a noise problem and they were there was no bones about it. There were no solutions to the noise problem. Our suggestions were 10:00 turn the music off. not happening because now because they got the windows

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and the louver roof, they are now from 10 to 1 or 2 a.m. considered an indoor bar according to zoning. Um, Roger clarified that for us and the attorney also made the declaration that now it's an indoor facility from 10 to 1 or 2

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a.m. So now all day long they are an outdoor venue which is in all the planning documents. Outdoor venue till 10:00. Magically at 10:00 they're going to close the windows. the louvered roof where uh when it is closed, the music is still exacerbated out of the top and you

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can hear it just as loud. It's just like a funnel going up. Um so I need clarification. I'm going to send it to Roger in a in a written letter. Uh Roger had said that um it is now indoor between 10 and 1 or 2

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or whatever the heck time they feel like staying open to. So I have a big problem with that. I don't know how they can get the best of both of the world here. So to me, last summer they got away with it. They were should have been shut down at 10, music off as is every other open

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venue and they are an open venue until those windows are shut permanently and the roof is a permanent roof. And that's really all I have to say and I'm going to send everybody an email. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Liz O'Brien for South. I just had one

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other thought. So, they said they're going to close the windows in the roof at 10:00. What if they don't? What if it's so hot, it's August, the air isn't keeping up, and they have to let the heat out, so they open the louver roof and open a couple of the windows. What happens? Is the music have to be off?

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>> I believe the music, if either of those are off, it the music has to be off either. >> So, if there's a single window open or the roof open, the music has to be off after 10:00. I believe that. >> Roger, you want to you want to handle that? >> It's indoor space whether the windows

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are open or closed now. Now that they have windows, >> that's not what you said earlier. >> Who? >> Well, at the meeting it's 10:00. If the windows >> gave a time constraint when it's indoor and outdoor, it's either indoor space or it's outdoor space. Was outdoor space

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without the windows. Now it's indoor space. I use the analogy that if you open a window in your living room, does that make your living room outdoor space? No. >> These windows are the size of the opening that they had before. >> So that's different than what Pat said.

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Pat at the two meeting or the last meeting said, and I just listened to this recording over and over to make sure I understood that if the windows and the louvers are closed, it's considered indoor. >> That's correct. >> If they're open, it's considered

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outdoor. >> That's correct. >> Yeah, >> that was my understanding of what of what the resolution was. >> Okay. I just wanted to make sure that's clear. So if the windows or the roof or any part of them are open after 10:00,

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the music has to be off. >> Correct. Or they have to be shut, >> right? Okay. Thank you. >> Good evening everybody. Uh my name is Willie Jackavine of 403 North Elevant Avenue. Want to take the opportunity uh I know there's been a lot of talk in the

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media uh around town about this topic. Uh but I just wanted to speaking on behalf of some of the parental school uh guilds that support the schools and some of the youth sport programs that support

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the schools. We have, you know, we have couple Brian Dana Hilner that uh they're very philanthropic. Anything we've asked, they've been there to help. Uh they're very reasonable people. I think uh they've exhibited that in in in the changes that they made physically to the building. Uh I know we have these

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wonderful municipal services. We're all blessed to be in this town. Uh across the board, everyone represented here. Uh and even the ones that aren't here, we have all of these great services in this town filled with professionals and neighbors that just want to see a great

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town. And you know, I'm proud to raise my son here. I'm glad my parents raised me here. They went through a situation. They live right across from the old Union Avenue school. It's worn a lot of hats in the last 70 years that my parents have had the house, right? Uh, you know, and the town does adjust and

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change, but I think we got to give Brian Dana a chance just to fulfill the stuff that they're doing. Uh, they're making every effort and I think they're, you know, sometimes we just got to let things work a little bit uh to get to a problem. And I'm not trying to take anything away from people that live up that street. I get it. You have, you

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know, that not telling you how to feel. I don't want to tell anybody's feelings, but I just want to speak on behalf of some organizations that you have good people that are very contribute a lot to this town and uh you know, we're appreciative to have them and they got a wonderful business there. A lot of

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wonderful businesses in this town and uh you just hopefully we can get to a nice accord where everybody is comfortable. Thank you. Thank you. Kathy Heitzman, 22 South Adams Avenue. I have a question about another issue,

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surprisingly enough. What is going on with Mr. Buglevo and his 12 apartments that are supposed that he was found guilty of having in lie of sex? Can you comment on that? >> I don't know that. I mean, Scott would

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have the best answer, but I think in brief it's we're really in a holding pattern because uh we were granted summary judgment. There was an appeal. I think they're they're just going back with the judge now as far as uh what the next steps are. >> That sound >> it's still in the courts. We won first

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round our judgment motion of reconsideration. We won. >> Uh an issue was raised about a disqualification uh for the for the judge which I believe June 3rd will be that took Oh, it's tomorrow. Will be tomorrow. That'll be

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decided tomorrow. And then we've already been in discussions as to enforcement to shut them down. Uh I know that's going to be a fight, too. No doubt about it. But it's the legal system. We're in superior court. We've been winning all

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the rounds. So, uh >> should this be the final step or you don't? >> I hope so, Kath, but I don't think so. I'm pretty sure they're going to fight this and appeal it probably through the summer. It's going to be a legal battle. It's been a legal battle and uh

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ultimately it'll be six residential units, >> right? >> And there's going to be the issue of moving out tenants. Um there's the issue of stopping him from ringing or renting any of the units. I believe court's

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addressing that. Probably not tomorrow. But um >> will he also be penalized for how he hurt all of our taxpayers >> by having children instead of six? I mean >> when you say penalized, what do we do? Like find him? >> Yeah, >> we have fined him, I believe. Have we

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find him? No. >> Okay. >> He should have to pay restitution. >> Well, that's my position. >> Yes, I I want him to pay every dime. Will that happen? Probably not, but I that's what we're seeking. I'm on your >> courts don't do that normally, but we're

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we're looking for that. >> Okay. >> We want to have every dime uh paid back. So, we'll see. But they probably now once we have this final ruling tomorrow. Originally, I think it was June 3rd, but now it's tomorrow. Uh we're probably going to start finding them

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>> tomorrow. >> The oral arguments, >> the arguments tomorrow, right? That doesn't necessarily mean the court will make a decision tomorrow, >> but it's a long torturous torturous process. But we're getting there. >> Okay. And thank you for the south the north Washington Avenue.

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>> There you go. >> Happy customer like that two-way. >> Good evening. Maryanne Cleur, 25 North Madison. I just have a question. and I've been coming to the meetings and I asked the occupancy and the parking

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situation. So it seems like the city is buying parking area in other areas. Now we have approximately 180 people I think to occupancy at the

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tequila bar and there's no parking. So, with that being said, I have because I work at night, I have a sticker that I went to renew today that I thought because I live in the area where they

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told their staff to park that I could get renewed, but now I found out, and I'm not disparaging the police, that a sticker that I had was I thought a block away from my house, up to a block away from my house. But now I was told today that it can

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only be on Madison Avenue and there's no 2-hour parking on Madison Avenue. But if I come home at night and they did let people have this occupancy that could be how many cars

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with no parking except the owner gets privilege and I can't get the opportunity if I come home and it's flooded we which I addressed already and I come home and I don't have a parking spot to park on Ventner Avenue so I can

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wake up and remove my car when they leave But I I'm only allowed to have who do I speak to over like maybe getting leniency since >> I what I need my business.

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>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I mean he was nice to me. I'm not complaining about it but I >> Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you everyone. Dennis Gonioski, 7702 Amherst Avenue. Question. Uh, we

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have not had any financial reports. Do we have a CFO or do we not have one? >> We do. >> You do. That person's name Stover. >> Correct. >> Okay. Why is that person not here? In the past, we had a chief financial

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officer give us a report at each meetings and there has not been one. We had one three three meetings ago, I think he gave way. But no, but you're doing a budget and we're not aware of it. So, when are we going to get a report

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from this new chief financial officer? So the we we went through the the budget hearing and we went through the budget. No changes to the budget since then. That was last meeting. We approved the budget I believe. >> Yeah. So at the last meeting >> last meeting >> we had our full budget presentation at the last meeting.

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>> You gave a full in one meeting when we were looking for that one person gave that complete this or do is there anything you handed out from that meeting or No, >> the budget documents are online. >> So there's nothing handed out at the meeting. It's online. >> Uh I don't know if we had copies present

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or That's how they do it now. >> Yeah. >> In the >> my copy was online, >> but in the past we got copies here. >> It's the changes that everyone has made is going everything's online. >> When was that re was it related to last

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meeting or meetings before? Because we used to get a document here from the previous CFO. >> Right. And our auditor this time said everything's online. There is nothing printed. Nothing printed. Okay. Is there any pending lawsuits that we have

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against the uh Margate city, >> Scott? I don't know. >> I couldn't hear you. What did you say? >> Do we have any pending lawsuits against Margate City? >> Sure. We have lawsuits, workers comp suits. We have uh

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>> Do we have one from a previous CFO? >> We have that. We have a first lawsuit. Yes. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Is there a motion to close public comment? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes.

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>> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes.