--------- like to call the meeting to order please Lisa will you read the statement of compliance here will you read the statement of compliance please sorry please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Lisa please take the rooll thank you May
here here all right welcome everybody we're gonna uh get started uh judge Savio and Anthony Edge have a little presentation on uh veterans banners that are we're looking forward to coming to fruition in this spring so I'm gonna pass it off to
to the judge um first of all I want to thank you uh and everybody El G me the opportunity to present this package to you um it really originated with my son-in-law who as some of you may know is a mayor of town
in New York melor approximately 5000 people they have banners all of the question any veteran family or veteran can ask to have a banner put off one of the light Poes in town and frankly most of the
Town most of the light Poes have these veterans um they I have one that's an example but they're 18 by 36 in and they attach to the light Po uh throughout that town their system paying for is going to be a
little bit different than what I'm going to propos their system is that the BFW in that town which is a fairly big organization um collects $50 a year from each of the family members and that $50
the initial purchases made goes to fund the BFW we don't propose that at all but that's what they suggest um the initial cost is $150 from the family of the veteran at $50 a year
and the Banners are up from Memorial Day to Labor Day um Malin pays nothing for the banners um in Melbourne the veterans family submits an appliation there's no checks or on whatever they put on the
application and the banner itself um this is an example of we will not we're going to make certain alter we will have veteran name rank what branch of services he was in and then years of service again we don't see
any putting up seal thece whatever ity cut the plan right now is subject to your approval we're going to categorize
the veterans into decorated veterans and non-decorated Veterans by decorated veterans what I mean is a veteran who received Navy cross Silver Star bronze star with a Valor was a p
received iate I should I estimate that there's somewhere between 15 and 17 veterans from morate who would meet that criteria now when I say from morgate I'm not saying that they reside in morgate
or did reside in morgate they might be a police officer I believe one of the police officers Pete Mone is a is a decorated veteran there are other police officers that may qualify as well as non decorated veterans life guards firemen
would all even though they might not live in morgate especially at this day and they would qualify or be eligible to have this our proposal is that the city pets and Banners
Decor there are I say this 17 Street on the park between Lancaster Avenue and so if we're talking about one of the
things that an and I talked about was trying to get the authorities of the city to pay for 15s now it turns out that there's a little bit more a little for the decorated veterans only the decorated
veterans we got an estimate from the banner company today is roughly $2600 for 15 banners um you could use my brother-in-law who is very busy doing the electrical work
to put the banners up along in that area I frankly would some Su may consider raming that's issue somewhere down the line respect to the ncor veterans who
are from morgate or meet the criteria of having a connection incidentally criteria would include blessed sa I know for example there is a Navy SEAL right now who went through first through grade at blessed sa uh he may be interested in having a
ban I don't know he's kind of quiet to but in any event he would be eligible because he went through thear with respect to the ncor veterans we are suggesting that there be a contribution
from thees the N that will not of the total cost we estimate the toal cost the $170 so there would be about a $20 money that would come from the
city there was a general reluctance myself and Anthony as well deal with the money I spoke with person who person they had the banners along o That's Avenue right now and they used
the mainland IIs what it's called but the BFW the mainland collect there is no BFG but there is a jewi and I've spoken to the president of that organization they've agreed to do
whatever Lisa suggest should be done in terms of setting up an account to collect the money and then the city would inv and the money will come out as I said there's still a $2 roughly difference
between the $150 fee and the cost I have also talked with the president of the log cabin and Hees me that the Log Cabin will be available a fundrais apparently the license they
have the ABC allows nine fundraisers a year and then they have to pay some kind of the log will pay the fit and he said work out whatever you want to work out as far as how the money gets to wherever you want to get it to in terms of
whether it's drinks or whatever it might be a contribution but they'll go along with whatever we say our biggest concern Anthony and my biggest concern is that I've lived in morgate my whole I know a lot of people
I think in my biggest concern is leaving somebody out if I go down to Lancaster Avenue you'll see that there's a and it says har killed an action learned today
doing an internet search was the first world war under then they have wounded and then they have a list of seven or eight names of different people I don't recognize a single name of any of those people I don't recognize a single name
of any of those people that are on they look like tombstones around Lancaster AV I don't recognize a single name so my concern is that we may leave somebody out our way to address this would be to ask that on marg's Facebook page that we
put something on there I understand anthy might have a connection with that local newspaper I don't know what and Harry has agreed to allow me to go radio show again any time that I
would suggest would be a good day to go on his radio show to discuss this oh okay so biger 24 by 48 but this would be the general the general way the p and talking about keeping them from
just Memorial anticipated vet but I know like I said at least 12 or 14 families of decorated vet and anthon and I met this morning I've already been in touch with 10 of those families I already have their
photographs I have a list of the medals that they received when they were in the service what branch of the service so we're ready to go with them uh and the the family's already sent photographs but again I you know I I went for example today to the Tolen
family because Johnny Tolen who was part of the Log Cabin got the bronze star with a B for Valor in Vietnam and his brother Joe sent me an article from the Press about Johnny receiving the pra store and in that article that I read it
talks about Joe and Johnny's father who got the Silver Star and the in the Second World War I didn't have his father on this list of 15 and I I'm anticipating that there'll be people look as far as the non-decorated
veterans when I went to blessed Sac I graduated from 56 kids in my class and at the same time there were 130 kids at high school that graduated the same year as I do I would estimate 90% of those
kids fathers were veterans of World War II everybody's all my friends everybody was a veteran of World War II so I can't even begin to tell you whether we're talking about 50 people 75 people I have
no idea but what I can tell you is that every single person that I've talked to has had a positive attitude towards this and said I'll send you the 150 bucks just tell me where to send it and what you need we'll get my father's picture up BS uh just like the other people so I
everybody that I've talked to has had a very very positive response to this and I know getting back to Melbourne there's a very positive response in Melbourne the citizens there and I do not believe that it should be limited to combat
veterans I I don't believe it should be limited to Veterans who served overseas I think that if someone um agreed by putting their line to risk their life for this country that's
enough whether they served overseas whether they didn't serve overseas whether they serve two years or five years or 10 years that's enough for them to be saluted with something like this if their family wants to do it but I'll be glad to answer any
questions that anybody has about this if I can answer him I don't know I know I've talked to Matt about I know we're talking about I know we're talking about Jeff um I'm not not sure how fireman but I'm
assuming that their firemen as well who serve in the military who may want to be part of this program and frankly since I don't know some people reals could tell me tell you better than I but I would anticipate that since about 1995
most of the cops and firemen no longer live in Margate and I wouldn't want to exclude them when they spend most of their life in boundaries mortgage same thing with the life cours I know there's a life cour who got the bronze store in Vietnam that I spoke about
um he's living in Michigan right now but he ought to qualify as well yeah thank you judge I mean I'm you know in favor of your proposal as as you stated and I Anthony and I went through this in detail yesterday as well um my
biggest concern is timing um so just because I know that yeah I know there's a lead time Memorial's that the veterans association distributes that you can get online it's called a
dd4 and it outlines everything that we need about that veteran and that would establish to me if I don't know the person in the family that that's a veteran whose picture should go up on the V sent away for my
father's you don't send it away at this and they respond I sent it away January 2 I haven't heard anything and I I don't know when ever I shouldn't say ever but I'm assuming I'm going to some
point if I don't know the family if Anthony doesn't know the family Pat doesn't know the then we're going to require the dd24 for and we're going to require kind of destion of the person's relationship with Mor it's not going to be like mour where you just send in your
name and list the metal I don't think that's air way of doing it but as I said I mean I think that people will be shocked when they start hearing
about some of the people fromg most of never talk about what they did and whose names a lot two or three names in the back of the chairs of the cabin these guys were real I mean you
know just as an example billes wey fighters on the ground got distinguished flying cross then he was shot down spent two months in the hospital before the Americans bomb the town where the
hospital was located theyed to a that he was injured in the American bom he was a prisoner of war for a year guys I mean the these guys ought to be in my opinion and as I said everybody who put
the name on the yeah I mean thank you for taking the initiative to to bring this to our attention and and run with it and um you know so you have my blessing to to move forward and again I stressed with Anthony and you know that you two work
together to get this done quickly because it I think it is important for us to have it ready for this Memorial Day and ioke with brother I don't know anybody I don't know how you great and judge I did mention Anthony
yesterday also that if we can get those brackets in advance they can be hung and ready for the banners because the lead time of the banners will be so perfect okay so oh but the one thing we we do have up in the air still is the permission from the electric company to
use their poles so we're talking about right now using the Parkway in the area that I describe then also amb Avenue between tomatoes and Steven cookies and then more maybe Jerome Avenue or maybe other parts of Venter Avenue I I I burn
believe that we're going to have a lot of people that are going to be interested UPN for I really do there's an a lot of veterans from great appreciate your time thank you no problem we'll let you know we
need 2500 bucks when you get a chance yeah it's Anthony has the exact figure 26 yeah so I think that a resolution on the next agenda makes sense yeah I want to get this I want to getn for the yeah that would be great thank you no
problem all right we will now move to our engineering Report with Ed I'll to follow um okay starting off as always with our dredging projects really no update here but we're getting really close to our submission over to do uh just to get that wrapped up and get our
permit secured um so we'll keep posted as we get closer item C is the Washington Avenue streetcape project with some work on ventor Avenue as well also very close here to making our submission to do uh we have a meeting scheduled with do tomorrow just to check
in with them on timeline and some of the logistics of the grants um but we're really close we we had our meeting with the steering committee in January and got some really good feedback and we're just about ready to roll um with our submission to do it's a fairly funded project so there'll be a little bit of a
process to get authorization to bid but we're Clos item D is the Amhurst Avenue Pump Station working through the Green Acres process which is somewhat cumbersome U but we are making slow progress there um items
E and F are two bids that we received uh last week for one was for the walkway at the sigm complex the other one was for the restroom building at the sigm complex we couldn't uh get the bid recommendations together for this meeting but we uh uh did work through some of the numbers we'll have a
recommendation to award for those two projects for consideration the next we can those projects moved into construction items G and H are upcoming road projects on Winchester Avenue in our 2024 row program which are in the
design phase turnning the page to item I the Le service line replacement program phase one um says on a report plans and specs were submitted to ibank they haven't yet been uh submitted as of this meeting um they're ready to be submitted there's
just some paperwork we had to get spread away which goes in with the submission um and we're just also making sure we're firming up the numbers before we um make our submission that would then start the clock on their review um and at some point we'll be ready to consider put
that project out to dat so that continues to advance as does item J which is a new Public Works building uh we expect to have a good set of plans by the end of this month along with a cost estimate that we can use for funding uh I know we're going through the capital
budget so that project is on schedule um to be as part of the next capital budget as far as construction so those plans are are just about wrapping up item K is the vent ring parking lot likewise we have a our site plan um in good shape there and we're just putting the
finishing touches on some of the engineering um so we're getting closer on having that um ready to move when we're ready item L is the bike lane painting on Atlantic Avenue I should say phase two of the bike lane painting on Atlantic Avenue we have sent that bid
package up to do for authorization so we're in good shape there um to get to get the majority of that work done before the summer season item m is the next phase of Atlantic Avenue which is in design n is our storm water compliance which we are
still ping with some of the recent comments uh D on how to um comply with some of their requirements in a reasonable way um with some of the things they're asking us to do so that is a work in progress no updates on our pending although you can see we have
mini Creek there most of our other projects on that list have been funded with grants which is great news jumping down to our construction project list uh we have some projects under maintenance bonds that are coming up in May so keep an eye on those we are taking one
project off the closeout list the Redevelopment of well N9 so we um have successfully completed that project item s the 2023 Road program um hasn't started yet um you know is on the horizon we have added some additional
work there on ARG Port so that has been received by the contractor the Winchester Avenue project uh from Claremont to Douglas is substantially complete we had a punch list with the contractors so that project will soon be moving into the closeout phase the basketball court
project is scheduled uh for the spring once the weather gets a little Cooperative tho Avenue is in progress and construction um so that moving along item W is the water main Rec configuration at Winchester Benson we
just have a little bit of work left there uh to wrap that project up the LaCrosse wall substantially complete so we'll be moving that towards close out the 2024 curb and gutter program is scheduled to begin as soon as the weather warms up a little bit um so we
do have that project ready to go we already had our preconstruction meeting and the phase two of the municipal building renovation has started thank you Ed I will now move to department head reports Chief Adams would you like to begin please sure
mayor thank you um just a couple things to report uh the OSHA logs as we are required to post the OSHA 300 logs for the year for all of our work related injuries all posted on and according
anded in Department as required um I completed today two online occupational injury and illness surveys uh for all employees except police fire and public works so that would include Municipal
Recreation for record um I did want to speak briefly on our GIF numbers because I was on a uh webinar meeting today and it it actually we've done a pretty good job we had a few bad years in 2018
2020 dealing with some work injuries and some our num add funds so we haven't to any addal num and looking at our numbers from
2021 through 2023 um our loss ratio was 66.3% in 2021 2022 was 27.4% and 2023 was you know like I said this total is based
on total incurs totals our five average because of those years that we had some problems is 68.1% but still below so that's a good thing um and these are all based on the following
Auto liability liability property and workers compensation uh the last thing I wanted to report on I'm working through uh one of our OPP the opid sing what we would like to do I haven't
so they're inter what great thank you chief chief Hinson I'll be a little bit brief but first of all I wanted a big thank you to Public Works uh with the municipal parking lot at Benson Avenue I know it
was a project we talked about because we heard a lot of feedback about people not even realizing it was a parking lot uh the brick facade that was up there was actually has been up there since it was a police tow lot many years ago and then we reverted to have a private Towing
it's been used for parking uh Public Works uses it in the winter to move their vehicles in there in the summer it's been public parking for the four years but by taking down that brick uh facade that's been there I think it's really opened up the vinyl fence looks great once they're done we'll clean it
up restripe it have it ready for the summer of 2025 it's right near our Bayfront area it's only a block from washing Avenue so hopefully it is utilized a lot more I said we did the improvements hoping that people will come there Park go to the businesses
down on Amherst Avenue it's part of a number of improvements we hope to have for Amherst Avenue moving M into Memorial Day I think we'll have everything ready to go that we have discussed commissioner horn and I so it's nice to see that project come together and I really do appreciate it B looks really good that's all I have
thank you Chief Roger you want to go again agree that Fant meeting next week thank you Roger Pat thank you mayor commissioner uh nothing really new to report either uh just busy as usual with
the storms and getting ready for the summer season that's all I got thank you thank you Pat all right welcome back and thank you Lisa all right thank you we will now open up to public comment if anyone has
any comment of anything discussed in this meeting you may step forward to the microphone is there a motion to close public comment motion I have a second yes yes is there a motion to adjourn motion
second yes yes like to call a meeting to order please Lisa will you read the statement of compliance please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Lisa please take the role here
Mr here is there a motion for the approval of the February 6 2025 regular and workshop meeting minutes motion second yes here yes all right we will now open up to
public comment if anyone has any comment please step forward to the microphone state your name and address corosi 7702 amist Avenue this is concerning the last meeting concerning the water and sewer ordinance which were done illegally for 2024 and I'll explain
why in 11:21 you put an ordinance number 25 where you only how can I say change section one which was putting in a water meter either on the governor's line or on the person's
property December the 5th two weeks later you added to that ordinates section two which was changing a figure of 450 to 520 and 300 to um to $300 I'm sorry and that was for
one inch pipes and you voted on it and passed it but you did not give that second portion section two a chance to be voted we talked about by the people Mr Collins and I went over this
so as I said to him who's responsible for that we had a discussion and we identified certain people one person who was identified is not here tonight person who's never been here now this is four out of five meetings has not been
here so my question is is it mandatory for these people to show up at these meetings or to send somebody from their departments so Dennis I can tell you that the business administrator and I have had had this conversation multiple
times over the last I'll say month or so uh Pat was out on a medical issue um the you know I don't know Pat if you want to kind of add add to that or maybe maybe comment eror that occur trying at the end of the
get in and get presented different going like as as contracts so I can take part of the way but that being said as far as having all our department heads here it's been
something that's been implied as Department try to change that so how do you get questions answered well I mean so I'm available anytime you want I'm here most of the time I'm part time but I'm here
most of the time the entire week I been out so but I'm back so if you if you needed to come into the office you welcome call email I understand what you're saying but that's not the answer the answer was our Chief Financial Officer and our tax
collector make a suggestion in October to raise the water rates it's not it's not relate to the people until after everything's mailed out in January the website was never updated properly listen we understand okay but I'm saying
your website wasn't updated until February until I notified your colums okay and now you want to use the website I understand in one of the ordinates to do updates not using the newspaper anymore was I correct in that because I thought I saw that as one of the
coordinates about something digital too much money maybe I'm right right our website is not that good yet I can tell you that from things not being updated on that website like I say this new uh water and
meter thing wasn't updated till over a month and a half after it was done and that's only by contacting May or colteer and telling them your website's wrong you got information from 2024 even though it was 2025 effective for
first so I mean you can put it on the website but if it's a website not up to date immediately I'm saying or audits done on it because you can do an audit to see when that actual change was done for the water sewer new rates you'll see it's done in February you made it effect
of 1125 so that's my concern with it but to ask the person the Chief Financial Officer what were the reasons that they decided to do it do you know the reasons yes I do okay so for the last several
years there's been no increase Ines a matter of fact back in uh November of 2019 there was a notice about the increase that occurred back then right and in that in that notice it also suggested that there would be an increase coming in
20 basically our costs have increased like almost 36% over the last five years cost for the cost for upgrades cost for maintenance and everything else there's been a 0% increase in the bill
you can't sustain that kind of increase without increas costs so let me is your question how many home I based my projection on 6,000 homes the 6,000 homes taking out
the sewage which was 216 you had $2.6 million and that's under the old rate now under the new rate you have $700,000 more which is around like three point something million dollars what was the $2.6 million used prior to
this for I didn't see that many repairs on the the Streets back in let's go with even with covid there was nothing going on during Co so there was over2 million dollars there so obviously I'm new here however I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that you're aware of that we've
had to do repairs and upgrades we' had to do some of the things that are mandated something I know we I know right now we're in the process of meters issues where there might be I believe we just got estimate
somewhere in the area of million to redo have the lead pipe stuff going like that stuff that's not I mean it's c as far as the rates go up however we're not CI the city's on their should yeah Pat
if I can just add so historically the city has tried to dedicate $1.5 million per year towards capital in the utility in our water and sewer utility um great if we can invest
1.5 million as Pat just said the lead pipe alone the first estimate which Ed could speak to we we paired down significantly from what right uh the recommendation was and that comes in close to $5 million so so doing $1.5 million a year in capital is no longer
feasible for us to comply with the Federal Regulations so you were making $2.5 million basing on 6,000 homes I don't know what the number of homes it's a little over 7,000 yeah 7500 70 it's between yeah 7,000 75 so you're talking
about maybe another million dollars on top of my figure would I Bas it on 6,000 so that's a lot of money that prior to that I'd seen only Road Pro projects starting like in R amher which was a disaster anyway destroyed the homes on
amers but at least that's a project I saw I saw on Thon but prior to that no so and this is where these meetings supposedly are supposed to tell me what's going on in these different departments that doesn't happen I hear nothing going on the same thing you know
just something little there's no update two weeks to tell me fire okay fire department understand he went through um Mr Adams went through but I want to know that basically what's the fire department doing were there many
callouts were there any fires you know what do they do that's under his Department the police what do we do with the police department you know how many callouts was there any burglaries were there in thefts you know that's a meeting that tells me what goes on that's a report I don't hear that
when you hear so if you're telling me $1.5 million was dedicated each year towards construction then what what would it went to we don't every and you do hear it at every meeting every Capital ordinance discusses what goes to General capital and what goes to utility
capital and as far as the daily maintenance I mean Pat could probably speak best about this the you know the water repair water meter repairs how do how we make sure our water is clean that we're delivering to the homes everything that we do that all that all costs money so we don't hear that all we hear about
the water meters is it's like 20% done or 30% that was it when we had that project started a couple years ago it was supposed to been a grant or something to have that done I don't know if we got the grant but evidently the bill went up to cover that am I
correct so we never got anything so we took this why are we using a contractor to install them and not our people that work for the public works what they do census meter compan is actually the one doing installation it's a lot more technical just put it in
the ground you got to program it you got to hook it to the radio tower over here on venson Avenue and then you got at the city all so they're doing the entire installation for it and that's why we're only like 20% done out of the entire we're way more than 20% probably close
to 30% now 30% so still 70% of the town's not done so we incur that bill every until they're done so again Dennis this is it's in multiple phases because if we did it all in one shot we would have been doing $4 million just on water meters in one year so we we are
spreading it out so that we're not buring the tax project has been the last two years it's going to be for another I mean right it's going to be continue one but we had the projects what did we do with the money before I mean every project that Ed Ed talks
about every project Tommy on going on all just count on my report there's NS comp that's almost every has comp comp service lines so why meters
and as you told me they have to have their own budget the water and sewer correct so how much out of your project is water and sewer but every Capital bond has that information that's what we'd like to hear we share that okay we need to know
out of what what we're funding out of the budget versus what's being funded out of this water and sewer type of thing $140 is a large rise yeah so again Dennis that's all available in in our uh ordinances when we when we approve the capital ordinances but we don't go over
the so the ordinances are posted you review them if you have questions that's why we have public comments you can ask us printed here on this piece of paper are not what's on the website they are more detailed on the website exactly because
we we post it on the website so you have 48 hours to review it and bring questions this is just a a worksheet so you can help follow the meeting everything is accessible on the website so you have access not always accurate
what on the website well in the particular case you're talking about that is why you see the introduction on today's agenda but you're doing an an ordinance number six for 2005 that's already in effect it's the same exact ordinance
from November and December rolled into 2025 now because it wasn't done properly in 2024 so right so as it's corrective action here just say at any point in time I'm available in my office you can come to
my office you can call me you can send me an email there are there are numerous people out here who have called and sit down I'll be willing to go over with I'll research whatever you need so since it's a mistake by the city is the city going to do anything to people time
which they should have had yes I believe I've already spoken that in in our local paper here I kind of gave that information out so what we plan on doing is reintroducing it doing everything and making sure everything goes as according to what it's supposed to do um when it comes out we're going to be discussing
what we can do to help like make this better for everyone to help adust about extending the the payment time yes that that was also talked about and we are are Absol okay so why was that not brought up in the meeting today as a no
if you're doing a department information bringing that up to say something like that because the ordinance was discussed last time I I give okay um you know again the department head commissioner Char
that not here I don't know that's bring out on own well that's why there should be someone here if the person who runs the department not here and they need to send somebody I'm not going to say I don't disagree with you I'm not asking
to agree or just I'm just saying this is an opinion to say that there should be somebody here if a commissioner's not here okay there's a reason but somebody from their Department Chief Financial Officer or tax should be here to answer questions from that department like I
said I don't disagree with you okay so we're going to take steps to make sure that that happens all right thank you thank you Dennis is there any other public comment is there a motion to close public comment motion
second yes yes all right we will now open up public comment for Resolutions and ordinance adoption only if anyone has any comment on those items on today's agenda please step forward is there a motion to close public comment on resolutions and
ordinance adoption motion second yes yes Lisa will you proceed please motion second yes yes motion
second yes yes motion second yes yes motion second yes yes second
yes yes thank you everybody for coming is there a motion to adjourn motion second yes yes all right thank you everybody have a good night you Part: 2
like to call the meeting to order please Lisa will you read the statement of compliance please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Lisa please take the role here here is there a motion for the approval of the February 6 2025 regular and workshop
meeting minutes motion second mayor yes here yes all right we will now open up to public comment if anyone has any comment please step forward to the microphone state your name and address corosi 7702 am Avenue this is
concerning the last meeting concerning the water and sewer ordinance which were done illegally for 2024 and I'll explain why in 11:21 you just put an ordinance number 25 where you only how can I say
change section one which was putting in a water meter either on the governor's line or on the person's property on December the 5th two weeks later you added to that ordinance section two which was changing a figure
of 450 to 520 and 300 to um to $300 I'm sorry and that was for one inch pipes and you voted on it and passed it but you did not give that second portion section two a chance to
be voted or talked about by the people Mr Collins and I went over this so as I said to him who's responsible for that we had a discussion and we identified certain people one person who was
identified is not here tonight person who's never been here now this is four out of five meetings has not been here so my question is is it mandatory for these people to show up at these meetings or to send somebody from their
departments so Dennis I can tell you that the business administrator and I have had this conversation multiple times over the last I'll say month or so Pat was out on a medical issue um the
you know I don't know Pat if you want to kind of add add to that or maybe maybe comment OCC cont out that ER was myself that being said as far as having
all of our department heads here it's been something that's been implied as Department over theal years understanding however there's contract or so how do you get questions answered
well um I mean so I'm available anytime you want um I'm here most of the time I'm supposed to part time but I'm here most of the time the entire week I know I've been out so but I'm back so if if you needed to come into the office you're more than welcome to call you contact
email I understand what you're saying but that's not the answer the answer was our Chief Financial Officer and our tax collector make a suggestion in October to raise the water rates it's not it's
not relay to the people until after everything's mailed out in January the website was never updated properly listen we we understand okay but I'm saying your website wasn't updated until February until I notified mayor Collins and now you just want to use the
website I understand the ordinates to do updates not using the newspaper anymore was I correct in that because I thought I saw that as one of the ordinates about something digital too much money maybe I'm right right
our website is not that good yet I can tell you that from things not being updated on thats like I say this new uh water and meter thing wasn't updated till over a month and a half after it was done and that's only by contacting
mayor Colin here and telling him your website's wrong you got information from 2024 even though it was 2025 effective the first so I mean you can put it on the website but if it's a website that's not
up to date immediately you know I'm saying or audits done on it because you can do an a to see when that actual change was done for the water Ser new rates you'll see it's done in February you made it effect at 1125 so that's my concern with it but to
ask the person the Chief Financial Officer what were the reasons that they decided to do it do you know the reasons yes I do okay so for the last several years there's been no increase in the Fe for the last four years a matter of fact
back in uh November of 2019 about the increase that occurred back then and in that in that notice it also suggested that there would be an increase coming in 202 basically our costs have increased like almost
36% over the last five years the cost for the water cost for upgrades cost for maintenance and everything else there's been a z% increase in the bill um you can't sustain that kind of increase
costs so let me ask you a question how many home I based my projection on 6,000 Homes at 6,000 homes taking out the seage which was 216 you had $2.6 million and that's under the old rate
now under the new rate you have $700,000 more which is around like three point something million doll what was the $2.6 million used prior to this for I didn't see that many repairs on the the Streets back in well let's go and
even with Co there was nothing going on during Co so there was over2 Million doll there so obviously I'm new here however I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that you're unaware of that we've had to do and repairs and upgrades we had to do some of the things that are mandated some aren't I know we I know
right now we're in the process of meters um we have issues where there might be pipe I believe we just got in the area of million to redo have the lead pipe stuff that stuff that's not I mean it's
cost them as far as the rates go up however we're not making the citizens here pay for anything the city's taking that on their shoulders yeah Pat if I can just add so historically the city has tried to dedicate $1.5 million per
year towards capital in the utility in our water and sewer utility um great if we can invest 1.5 million as Pat just said the lead pipe alone the first estimate which Ed could speak to we we paired down significantly from what the
recommendation was and that comes in close to $5 million so so doing 1.5 million a year in capital is no longer feasible for us to comply with the Federal Regulations so you were making 2.5 million B I'm basing on 6,000 homes
I don't know what the number of homes it's a little over 7,000 7500 70 it's between yeah 7,000 75 so you're talking about maybe another million dollars on top of my figure would I based it on 6,000 so that's a lot of money that prior to that I'd seen only Road Pro
projects starting like an our amher which was a disaster anyway destroyed the homes on amher but at least that's a project I saw I saw on Thon but prior to that no so and this is where these meetings supposedly are supposed to tell me what going on in these different
departments that doesn't happen I hear nothing going on the same thing you know just something little there's no update two weeks to tell me fire okay fire department understand he went through um Mr Adams went through but I want to know
that basically what's the fire department doing were there many callouts were there any fires you know EMTs what do they do that's under his Department the police what do we do with the police department you know how many callouts was there any burglaries were there any thefts you know that's a
meeting that tells me what goes on that's a report I don't hear that when you hear so if you're telling me $1.5 million was dedicated each year towards construction then what what would it went to so every and you do hear it at every meeting every Capital
ordinance discusses what goes to General capital and what goes to utility capital and as far as the daily maintenance I mean Pat could probably speak best about this the you know the water repair water meter repairs how do how we make sure our water is clean that we're delivering to the homes everything that we do that
all that all costs money we don't hear that all we hear about the water meters is it's like 20% done or 30% that was it when we had that project started a couple years ago it was supposed to be in a grant or something to have that done I don't know if we got the grant but evidently the water bill went up to
cover that am I correct got a F ourselves so we never got anything so we took this why are we using a contractor to install them and not our people that work for the public
works what they do census meter companies actually the one doing installation there a lot more technical just put it in the ground you got to program it you got to hook it to the radio tower over your own V and Avenue and then you got to hook at the city hall so they're doing the entire
installation for it and that's why we're 20% done out of the entire we're way more than 20% probably close to 30% now 30% so still 70% of the town's not done so we incur that bill every until they're done so again Dennis this is it's in multiple phases because if we
did it all in one shot we would have been doing $4 million just on water meters in one year so we we are spreading it out so that we're not burdening the tax project has been the last two years it's going to be for another I mean right it's going to be continue one but we had a project
what did we do with the money before I mean you every project that Ed Ed talks about every project you're tell me on all count On's comp so what and as you told me they
have to have their own budget to Water and Sewer correct so how much out of your project is water and sewer but every Capital bond has that information that's what we'd like to hear and we share that okay know out of what what we're funding out of the
budget versus what's being funded out of this water and sewer type of thing $140 is a large race yeah so again Dennis that's all available in in our uh ordinances when we when we approve the capital ordinances we don't go over the
ordinances so the ordinances are posted you review them if you have questions that's why we have public comments you can ask us here this piece of are not's on the they are more detailed on the website exactly because we we post it on
the website so you have 48 hours to review it and bring questions this is just a a worksheet so you can help follow the meeting everything is accessible on the website so you have access it's not always accurate what on the website well in the particular case
you're talking about that is why you see the introduction on today's agenda but you're doing an an ordinance number six for 2005 that's already in effect it's the same exact ordinance from November and December rolled into
20125 now because it wasn't done properly in 2024 so right so as it's corrective action in my office you can come to my office you can call me you can send me an email there are there are numerous people out
here who have called sit down I'll resarch whatever you so since it's a mistake by the city is the city going to do anything to give people time which they should have had yes I believe I've already spoken that in in our local
paper here I I kind of gave that information out so what we plan on doing is reintroducing it doing everything and making sure everything goes as according to what it's supposed to do um when it comes out we're going to be discussing what we can do to help like make this
better for everybody help adjust me how about extending the the payment time for yes that that was also talked about and we are we are absolutely so why was that not brought up in the meeting today as a know you're the department information bringing that up to say something like
that because the ordinance was discussed last time I I get what you're saying okay you know again the department commission charge that not here so I don't know if that's something bring out on
own well that's why there should be someone here if the person who runs a Department's not here and they need to send somebody I'm not going to say I don't disagree with you agree or just I'm just saying this is an opinion to say that there should be somebody here if a commissioner's not
here okay there's a reason but somebody from their Department Chief Financial Officer or tax colle should be here to answer questions from that department like I said I don't disagree with you so we're g to take steps to make sure that that happens all right thank you thank you
Dennis is there any other public comment is there a motion to close public comment motion second yes yes all right we will now open up public comment for Resolutions and ordinance adoption only if anyone
has any comment on those items on today's agenda please step forward is there a motion to close public comment on resolutions and ordinance adoption motion second yes yes Lea will you proceed
please motion second yes yes motion second yes yes motion
second yes yes motion second yes yes motion second yes yes thank you everybody for coming is
there a motion to adjourn motion second yes yes all right thank you everybody have a good night you