like to call the meeting to order, please. Johanna, will you read the statement of compliance? >> The notice requirements of the open public meeting act for this meeting have been satisfied. A copy of the annual meeting notice was sent to the press of Atlantic City star ledger, posted on the
bulletin board in the municipal building, the municipal website, and filed in the office of the municipal clerk. Please turn off all cell phones. >> Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> Attention salute. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all for all. >> Johanna, please take the role. >> Mayor Collins, >> here. >> Commissioner Blumbber, >> I am here. >> Commissioner Horn,
>> here. >> Welcome everybody. We will begin with our engineering report. Ed. >> All right. Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, everyone. Starting off with our dredging program as usual. Um, the update here is that we have received our first round of comments back from the Army Corps. As I've reported at previous
meetings, we do have our D permit approval. We're still waiting for the permit document. Um they expect to get that to us in the next week or so. We did get our first round of Army Corps comments uh that came in. Nothing um nothing major other than some comments on timing restrictions and we actually
already went back and forth with them on one round and they softened it already a little bit. Uh so we'll continue to go back with them. The Army Corps will issue their permit basically consistent with the D's permit. So, um, continue to make good progress there. The Shelter Island, uh, restoration site, the
Stockton Coastal Research Center has been approved to to do their work. So, we'll be working in concert with them to get that permit application finalized for our ultimate disposal site for our dredging program. The Amherst Avenue pump station project
um, is still on track to be approved by Green Acres by the end of the year. They have a meeting in December and then that would allow us to locate the pump station down at the Amherst Avenue Waterfront Park. So, um once that's kind of finalized, we're already proceeding with uh the final design process and
then we can get that that project on a schedule for bidding. The new public works building is being discussed as part of the next capital budget. We did take a look at the design there. Um we came up with some value engineering options. Um and again, we'll kind of finalize um that budget and that scope
as part of the budget process. The Vendor Avenue parking lot is out to bid. I think the ad was actually in in the paper today, the legal notice. The bid opening for that parking lot is scheduled for December 11th. And we will also have a bid opening on that day for the 2025 road program. So, that project
is out to bid as well. Turning the page item G, um we are at a point now where we're doing hopefully what will be a final submission to D on our MS4 compliance. We work with public works on that uh to get the D some information that they have requested. This is to stay in compliance with our
stormwater permit. Um no update on item H. The uh redevelopment of well 10 project is ready to go out to bid. There's an item on the agenda today to authorize that project to be advertised for bids. So we'll get that project out for bidding. Under our grant applications, municipalities were
notified this week of the 2026 DOT municipal aid, and we were successful in obtaining about $27,000 for the next phase of Winchester Avenue. So, that'll be a big help um and right on time with our capital budget that we're putting together for our next round of infrastructure work. So, that's
good news. Jumping down to our construction projects, we don't have any maintenance bonds left on the list for 2025. We'll we'll reup that list in January. Uh the two projects that were listed under closeout have been fully closed out. So um that list has been
completed. Um which is great. That means we're keeping up with our construction projects and closing them out in a timely fashion. The 2023 road program has final paving scheduled on Nassau Avenue for either the end of this month, beginning of December, weather dependent. um the
Avenue project that we discussed at our last meeting which will have a repaving done um at towards the end of this month or uh the beginning of December. The Sigrim restroom building is substantially complete. I think we're just trying to get the electric turned on over there. Um so that project um is
looking really good. Our Washington Avenue streetscape project. So there's an update here. We did have our pre-construction meeting with the contractor on November 12th. We will be having a public pre-construction meeting on Monday, November 24th in this room at 5:00. Um the the purpose of that meeting
will be um strictly focused on the construction impacts um of that project and we are um we're going to be phasing the construction of that project given the time of year that we're beginning construction. So the first phase of construction will be the portion of uh
Washington Avenue from the beach block up to Ventner Avenue and then there would be a pause over the summer season and then we would start up again um in in the fall on the next phase from Ventner Avenue to the bay and that's so that we can finish what we start prior
to the summer season so we don't leave any part of Washington Avenue in a state of mid construction uh during the summer season. And that will be discussed in detail at the meeting on Monday evening. Um and again the focus of that meeting will be construction logistics impacts
on properties and businesses along um Washington Avenue for this first phase of construction. Turning to page three. Uh the Winchester Avenue project base and final paving is scheduled to take place next week. The 2024 road program is scheduled to start
construction in early December. our lead service line replacement project um continues with the contractor on um material verification and we will have um some public outreach activities coming up in the near term and I'll keep everyone posted on those. The Atlantic
Avenue bike lane painting uh will be scheduled for the spring once the next phase of Atlantic Avenue is paved which is the last project on our list here. We did award that project um to Lamborgh construction and we're getting the pre-construction meeting scheduled once we get DOT's green light. And that's my
report. >> Great. Thank you, Ed. We will now move to our department head reports. Dan or Chief Adams, will you proceed, please? >> Yes, mayor. Thank you. Um first off, I just want to make a notification and bring you guys up to date. Um, our code
red emergency notification system for notifying the residents and also notifying the firefighters for a recall is down. We were completely unaware of it until we had a fire recall and we found out. Uh, in the interim, we've been working with the police department
to assure that we have a way to contact our firefighters in the event that we have a recall or need them to come back in. So, that's being worked out and it's all up and running and we're working with Code Red and uh it along with Mike. We've been in constant contact with them
and we're hope to have it back up and running. It's not a problem on our end. It was something that happened through a breach on their end and they're working through it, but they told us we would have some sort of emergency way to access it and we're still trying to work that out and it's been a couple
days, but we're trying to get that figured out and as soon as we do, I will make sure we notify everyone. Uh, then all I have is I have three safety sheets out here. One is Thanksgiving safety, the other one is winter holiday safety and Christmas tree safety. We're coming into the holiday season. We just want to
make sure our residents and anybody that wants the information that's going to be available, we'll have it up on our Facebook as well. But, you know, you just need to pay attention and do things safely and follow the recommended requirements, especially with Christmas tree lighting and any type of lighting.
But also, if you put a live Christmas tree in, make sure you keep it wet and watered and that. And happy Thanksgiving to everyone and we hope you have a joyous holiday season. Thank you. Thank you, Chief Chief Henson. >> Thank you, Mayor Commissioners. First of
all, I just want a few reminders. The annual NBA shop small event will be held on Saturday, November 29th at noon. This includes a parade down Ventner Avenue ending at Bokh Restaurant. It's always a great community event and I really hope everybody will participate. There'll be
some minor traffic uh detours for the event, but it's it's never that big of a problem and it's a really nice event. Also, the police department will be hosting the annual Winter Wonderland Toy Drive event on Friday, December 12th from 6:00 to 8:00 PM. Again, it's
another great holiday event that's grown bigger and bigger every year. Um, there's a lot to do for the kids and if anybody's ever attended in the past, it's it's a really nice event right around the holiday season. Uh, just to let everybody know, police officers are currently dawning beards
for the annual No Shave November charity event for cancer awareness. All participating members have made donations to the American Cancer Society. It's something we've done for the last five or six years and we actually raise a lot of money. It's a great event and it gives people a break from shaving for a little while.
The last thing I have is uh it's a reminder that we have put out on our Facebook ba page recently a ebike info for parents. It's a class or it's an it's a class that is being sponsored by the new New Jersey Division of Highway
Traffic Safety. There's two sessions. There was one session on Wednesday and there's a session Thursday, December 10th from 8 to 8:45 p.m. There's a QR code if you go to our Facebook page that you can utilize to sign up for the event. It's really good for parents because they can learn, you know, what
some of these ebikes can do. This is also in coordination with other uh information sessions we've done. Commissioner Horn and I were at back to school night at the school. I spoke to the parents that night regarding ebike safety. We followed up a few weeks
later. Detective uh Belli and Detective Sergeant Swift. They went and they spoke to the kids about ebike safety. So, we're trying to get it out there with the kids. Um like I said, we're trying to do a bigformational campaign with the kids and the parents hopefully to keep control of the ebikes. That's all I
have. Great. Thank you, Chief Palma. >> Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Just a brief update from the building department. Uh so far this month, we've issued over uh 55 construction permits and updates, and we've scheduled 220
inspections. Uh the office is running smoothly. We're just trying to keep up with all the calls and permits and inspection requests. Um, this week one of our inspectors was out sick a couple days, but luckily we were able to utilize the
third party inspection agency and had a fill in and there were no delays on that. So, that's a good thing of having the third party. Um, that's all that I have. Thank you. >> Thank you, Pat. >> Good evening, mayor, commissioners. Um,
we're busy winterizing all the irrigation systems and city buildings around town. Uh last week our paper shredding event went great and we recycled close to eight tons of paper and uh the holiday decorations going up around town also and this week we fixed
two water leaks and one sewer collapse. That's all I got. >> Thank you, Scott. >> Just a couple minor things. If >> I get this there it is. Okay. The owner 111 South
Knight Avenue. It's a beachfront property. They want to replace the bulkhead that's existing there I believe since the March storm right after the March storm of 62. Mr. Balinsson has sent emails out. Apparently the state wants to know that the city agrees to allow the bulkhead. Bulkheads about a
foot to two foot off the property line but it's it's been there for well let's see 40 65 65 years roughly. So uh I see absolutely no reason not to give them that consent. I don't think we need a
resolution. I just did want to bounce it off the governing body. Make sure you were good. The homeowner, it's his expense. He's replacing the bulkhead. >> We're good. Yes. Very good. >> Sure. You're good. The other thing is I wanted to bring up on the dredging
report and I see you know finally we're getting on the home stretch and I'm having a bunch a lot of Bayfront owners are asking me about the dredging and I just think at some point in time you probably ought to have some kind of a
meeting or let them know because they this is a citywide dredging permit which will allow an individual property owner whether it be a home or the marinas couple of marinas just want to dredge and we've done the heavy lift now. We've if we've got this permit in hand, I
don't think the Army Corps is going to be a problem. >> Right. Could you comment on >> Sure. Yeah. So, our our plan is we're going to set up a website that will have information on our dredging permit, frequently asked questions. It will guide property owners on how they could take advantage of our dredging permit. It will also provide information on, you
know, potential dredging by the city and how that might work. And once that eventually happens, that website will become the platform for property owners to sign up to piggyback on our contract. So, there's a lot coming down the line on that. >> Well, that's great because I know there's a couple of uh like the log
cabin, they always ask me about it. The marina there, a lot of their boat slips now are getting to the point where they're not usable. And that marina along Jerome Avenue, also our marina's down here on the other end of town as well. And of course the lagoons, all three of those lagoons
very much needed. So uh and a lot of people are telling me they can't bring their boats in anymore. They can't pull their boats in behind their homes if they have any size to them. So that's it. That's basically what I have. Thanks. >> Thank you, Scott. Pating.
Um sorry, we've last met uh met with systems advisory board. Um the new members there >> microphone please. >> Apologize. I'm used to having one in front of me. Um since we last met uh I
met with the citizen advisory board. Uh welcome the new members. We had a few discussions uh related to some things going on in the city. Um dealing with the end of the year um spending and and transfers and so forth at this point. Um, and we're just working with finance
to make sure things uh move along uh correctly uh along with additional personnel matters and uh so forth and so on. >> Johanna, all's good in the clerk's office. We are
working on the merkantal licenses for 2026 at this time. So the merchants will be getting their letters shortly. >> Great. Thank you. So, I just I just want to add um many of us were uh at the New
Jersey League of Municipalities this week up in Atlantic City and I was happy to to sponsor a resolution uh with Margates the support of our green team for our microcontaminant ordinance that that we had passed here and and that our
green team introduced and uh proud to say that it passed the league unanimously with the hope that it will now become a state law. So, I really commend uh Sher and Steve with the the green team for their efforts uh in in helping with that and um it's a good
good step for Margate and good good for the state. So, just wanted to add that. >> Yeah. Um thank you. I had some things that I had emailed Pat earlier for updates. I don't know if he had a chance to get to them. I was out for a couple
of days this week. Um Pat, did you get a chance to look into the couple of items that I had emailed? >> I did, sir. >> Okay. So, um on the uh bill's list is a $9,700
uh charge for a lifeboat. Can you What What was that for? >> Certainly. Um it's my understanding that the lifeboat is for a refurb rather than the purchase of a new lifeboat. Um, Chief Adams knows a little bit more about it, but um, it's an effort to save
money and and uh, increase our operational efficiency. You >> elaborate? >> Yeah, please. Just so that the public's aware. >> Yeah, I I that's fine. Um, we're actually we were very lucky this year. One, we had budgeted to do this in our budget for this year to get one of our
lifeboats done. We actually had another lifeboat that was donated by a resident to refurb it. So, we are able to get two lifeboats, brand new, pretty much in essence, they're going to be completely refurbished like new, and not pay the
brand new price of $18,000 a piece where it's $9,700 to refurb it. It was budgeted and it was allocated, and it was something that we had planned on doing. And it just was timing once the season was over, we were able to get the boat to the person to get it done and have this taken care of.
>> Good. Perfect. So, it it's it's definitely a savings to the the city because like I said, we were able to get one of them donated. >> Good. Thank you. Uh Pat, the next item there were uh $7,500 for uh Yetis that
we purchased. >> Yes, sir. Um is this one? Yeah. Um it's my understanding, I mean, this is my I just completed my first full year here. It's my understanding that um there's a an employee uh well-being budget line
item um that came as a result of a I guess from finance and every year um there would be uh I guess the head of finance would make a decision as to what to buy for employee wellness, >> right? >> Um this year it was suggested that um
there are yetis. Um >> so you saw that and approved it. That that's really my question. I haven't approved anything, sir. Um, I'm just saying it was actually proposed. >> So, it's on the but it's on the bills list. Have we ordered the yetis yet? >> We have not, and we haven't paid for
anything. >> Okay. And so, we have quotes for the Yeti. I'm >> sorry. Can I can I finish? >> Yeah, please. Sure. >> So, um, this year the initiative was taken to to try to, uh, help eliminate some of the, uh, to make things a little bit more on the green side. Um evidently
uh the the thought process was um we would do a less disposable plastic cups um for water um and stuff in the building as well as uh keeping the um employees or allowing or the ability to keep the employees hydrated by using
those things keep everything cold and so forth and so on. So that was that was kind of what the discussion or what the suggestion was. Again, this isn't something new. This is something that's come every year. Um, >> I've got a bunch of stuff that was given last couple years.
>> I got that Pat. I just want to know if you saw it and who approved it. Has been approved. Where's who ordered them? I usually I'm involved in that process. This year I have not been involved. >> Well, sure. Nothing's been approved. Everything gets approved through
commission. Nothing gets paid unless you guys pay say to pay it. >> So, I understand. How many Yetis are are we purchasing for the $7,500? >> I believe it was enough to cover all of our employees, sir. >> So, we don't You don't know?
>> I don't. >> Is it $20 a Yeti or $30 a Yeti? 40? What is it? I have a Yeti. It's $20. I paid for it at the Ace Hardware store. Okay. >> I just want to know. I I'm not I'm not trying to be difficult.
>> I'm sure you're not. Um the >> it's a it's a co >> a big monster. >> Oh, you should have one. They keep your they keep your >> they keep your hot coffee hot and your cold soda cold. >> Wonder. Yeah. So,
>> if you could, >> it's my understanding that um that the uh purchasing the QPA and finances arranged to make sure that they were they were done appropriately. Um, there's three quotes. >> Um, and they look at the lowest quote. >> All right. Good. Good by me. As long as
as long as you're good with it and there's three quotes, that's sounds like it's a good plan. >> Well, so you guys approve it. So, if you guys are okay with it, I'm okay with it. >> Uh, I asked Pat, there's seems to be a large number of budget transfers. Is
that because we had problems in our budget or uh can you explain the budget trans all the budget transfers? Sure. I met with our comproller um you guys uh appointed to uh comproller a couple weeks ago. Um
and accordingly according to what um he had mentioned um the transfers are are mostly routine that are done every year. Um, he did show me that last year's transfer, uh, the first transfer of this time of year was around $2,000 less than
this year's. Um, it's something that's allowed by law. We're allowed to move things around. Um, and I asked if there was a specific reason as to why we were doing it this year. Um, and he just mentioned that, you know, promotion contracts that weren't realized prior to
the budget being completed or weren't um, actually put in the budget. um estimations um the and he indicated that the salary and wages weren't entered correctly. Um they weren't um they weren't according to what the actual contract was settled
at. Um and he said that and there were some unexpected titles that were u were not considered and they were unsure of prior to the completion of the budget um which is not unusual or we have a promotion or two or we create a position or bring someone in. Um, and then of
course, you know, and I'm I mean to be quite open, me going from part-time to full-time, that's also part of it. >> Okay. Uh, thank you for that. Uh, resolution 298 and 299
are for professional services, but I don't see that there's any dollar values there. Should should we not have dollar values associated with the resolutions? May I answer to >> Excuse me? >> May I answer that? >> Yeah, please.
>> Okay, that is a contract that we have with our two vendors that take care of our healthcare. >> No, no, no. That no, I'm looking at um the Phoenix Advisory and the Fleshman Daniels >> because they're done on a percentage
basis and >> Well, no, I don't think they are. I I think you're getting those confused with the with the benefits, Johanna. >> Maybe Pat knows. >> So, I can research that. Like I I you
actually asked me for something different on the email that you sent me. So, I research something different. >> Oh, okay. >> Um like I said, I can I can get with you tomorrow um and see what I >> I just don't know if we're okay to approve these without a dollar figure
there. So, I do >> I'm I'm not real sure what we've done in the past. >> I do know that um the way uh we worked it was our QPA has reviewed everything prior to coming to um be put in front of everybody. So, he's aware of it. Um I'll
just double check to make sure that that was >> So, I guess then I guess we could vote on them and then amend them if they needed to have a dollar figure. >> That would be something the solicitor would have to answer. Sir, >> I would do that. That makes sense. >> Okay. Um, all right. And so, and then the last
thing I have is related to the ordinance on the agenda. Um, 2025. I I'm thinking that maybe that should be pulled in that um that that
title and salary was going to be for our acting CFO/Payroll clerk who unfortunately turned in his resignation on Tuesday. So should we or should we pull that?
Let's >> 2025. >> That's that's here. But what where's the ordinance? We see the ordinance. >> I have it here, but I don't have it. >> Oh, >> who has it? Go ahead.
>> It's on the back of the page. Scott Well, it's a salary range >> for the position of the controller who has resigned. So, I don't necessarily know that we need to vote on an ordinance. >> So, my suggestion would be sir is that
we did appoint him to that position um and he has acted in that position as per the state recommendation under DCA. If we were to do away with the compensation for that, we wouldn't compensate him as the controller. Well, it look the way I see it, >> it's not person
>> to the individual who resigned. It's the creation of the position with the salary the salary range creation. >> I would say do that because we at some point in time want to hire a controller. >> You're going to have another controller. >> Okay. Well, I we've never had one
before, but maybe we will now. Uh I I would think you do it. >> We've never had >> that way. You have that ability if you're going to like I know you were the mayor was talking about shared services with another town for that. The possibility of having a well, we have to
have a salary range in order to do that. >> Yeah, I would recommend we we vote on it uh today. We pass this new salary ordinance in January anyway. So, if we decide that's not a position we'll go forward with, it doesn't have to doesn't have to be on the next ordinance, but at least it covers us for now.
>> Goodbye me. Thank you. I think that's all that I have for now. >> All right. Thank you. All right. We will now open up public comment for workshop. If anyone has any comment for anything discussed in this meeting, please step forward, state your name and address.
Good evening. Uh Dan Lovelin, 120 South Jefferson Avenue, apartment 102. Just listening to the workshop. Move a little bit sideways, right? We we all know what's happened with Lisa McGlaclin.
Many of us think it's unfair. You have folks resigning from longstanding positions. You have confusion about whether or not you want a controller trying to make that decision on the fly.
>> I I don't get it. Where are you guys going? Like if if you're if you're in a point where at a public meeting you're trying to decide whether or not you need a comproller position, that's that's that's not that's not a place to be, right? That should be a
discussion that you you should you should have had well before this meeting >> and and made that decision. And I and I think you know what I what you're seeing here is the chaos that's being created by all this nonsense. The town shouldn't
be in chaos. It should be calm. And and when you see this type of of of turnover of long tenur folks and the type of confusion that I just heard, it's it's a little bit embarrassing. I I'll be honest. If I was sitting in any of these chairs, I' my face would be red just
thinking about what I just did. That's all. Any more public comment for workshop? Steve Alman, 9003 Amherst Avenue, Mark 8. Um, at our last meeting, uh, the
mayor gave me the, uh, charge to, um, ask people what they thought about the Washington Avenue Road project. I did a little, uh, showand tell. Um and I went uh I had two sessions at
the JCC uh two sessions at the library and uh one session uh at Castles. Uh I I have to say I really understand why you guys run for public office. There's nothing
more delightful than getting out in the community. I met 200 people that I really didn't know and I had delightful conversations and really good insights from a lot of them. Um
bottom line uh about 50% were in favor of the Washington Avenue uh program. Uh just flat out. You know, usually if somebody's uh in favor, they say, "Yep,
I'm in favor." and they're going into the gym or into the library. Uh about 30% uh were flat out against it and they were the most vocal.
Um I had a a really lovely email from um Ed Burgerer. Uh he and I uh had back and forth communication. He gave me some data about the condominium that he lives in. There are
14 units and they had a condo meeting and decided to vote against uh supporting the Washington Avenue uh streetscape. Uh he also said that uh the owners of uh uh tomatoes and the lot uh
would uh f felt that their businesses would be adversely affected by people coming down Amherst Avenue not being able to make a left-hand turn and a right-hand turn into uh the Tomatoes
parking lot. Uh uh and he also stressed that they would have to go around the block, two lights and so on. Uh and uh there were other people who expressed that uh a lot of the people who were in
favor uh said that they thought that it would cut down on chaos and make it safer for bicyclist and um uh people walking. Um, I had one bicyclist who just said, "Yeah, flat out, I'm in love
with that idea." Um, and I had the opportunity uh to talk to uh uh Mrs. Burgerer. She was in Castles and I met her for the first time. She's a lovely woman and a family supporter of whatever
their position was. Uh, but she didn't tell me. Um, I uh uh spent time with the managements uh at uh the JCC, the library and um and
castles. Everybody was remarkably supportive and helpful in letting me put up my little thing and uh and talk to folks. Uh uh it it was just a marvelous experience overall. about 20% of the
people I spoke with uh were sort of in the category of well if it ain't broke don't fix it and I don't really care. Uh so that's about 20%. So it came down to about 50%
in favor uh uh 30% vocal uh not in favor and about 20% uh we can live with it the way it is or they don't care what we do. Uh so that that's really the report I I took uh
data to hand out from the website. The point I would make about that is I was incredibly impressed with how few people knew anything about Margate's website.
Uh I mean when I would say you know here are the the the information that's on the website they say how do I find the website? You might keep that in mind when you when you start uh building your website. You know a lot of people just
don't get it. And I'm shocked because, you know, I'm on websites all the time. Uh you would think people would go on Margate's website for all kinds of information, but uh they're not. So
that's my report. I hope it's helpful and you guys can see my little artwork. >> Thank you, Steve. >> And I thank you for the opportunity. It was a lot of fun. >> Thank you. All right. Any other public comment for
workshop? >> My name is Mary and Clemer. I live at 25 North Madison Avenue. Excuse me, I have allergies. It seems that I don't find out anything that's going on in this town unless somebody tells me cuz they read it on the Down Beach Bus. So, I
work I come and go at 4:00 in the morning. No one knows what it's like to have to come when it's flooded and not be able to use a street like Washington Avenue cuz the other streets are flooded. So, I don't I didn't know that this decision was sealed, but I don't know what I also
don't know, excuse me, I'm not a public speaker, why when we just had an election, this wasn't on a ballot for the locals to to vote. I I don't understand why. Can anybody answer that? >> Washington Avenue.
>> You want to discuss about the referendum with the traffic? >> Well, years ago, >> uh there was an effort on beach block parking and uh this individual made me did try to put it on the ballot, but the courts
ruled that we couldn't attempt to control traffic flow by way of referendum and it got knocked out. There's an appellet court case on this. Uh there's also the decision affecting Margate that you can't put traffic
issues on a ballot. And so that's one good reason why it wouldn't be on the ballot. >> All right. But it's not just a traffic issue at your >> Well, this one's pretty much the issue. But if I might if I might interrupt and interject in all due respect, could we
not have, as I had asked, put it on the ballot in a nonbinding referendum? >> I believe we could possibly. >> So, we could have asked the public their opinion in an in a non-binding referendum. >> Well, like we did
>> with the board. >> Correct. >> Yeah. That that maybe that answers Marian's question. >> Mr. Bloomberg. What my next question would be, this gentleman's data is not based on anything really scientific. If
you live south of Washington Avenue like I do, I live on Madison. It's all oneway streets. Now, Amherst is one way. I've come home, believe it or not, the Back Bay is not flooded, but the the beat the
Veterary Avenue since the new construction is underwater. So, no one's really taking the time to clean out those sewers down there. So, that's really really flooded. And if you have to swing around and make a decision like me, sometimes I can get a spot to
wait for the water to go down by the dump, believe it or not. But I had to go up Washington Avenue to get that spot. So, I've lived here since the 70s. I've been paying property tax since 1987. And I I just I didn't know until somebody
informed me and then somebody else said, "Oh, don't you read the down beach buzz?" But if I go and vote every cycle, if that was on this if that was on the ballot, I would have voted no. So that's my opinion. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Any other public comment on workshop? Is there a motion to close public comment? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn? >> Yes.
>> Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn? >> Yes. like to call the meeting to order, please. Johanna, will you read the statement of compliance?
>> The notice requirements of the open public meeting act for this meeting have been satisfied. A copy of the annual meeting notice was sent to the press of Atlantic City. Star ledger posted on the Bolton board in the municipal building, the municipal website, and filed in the
office of the municipal clerk. Please turn off all cell phones. >> Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. Attention salute. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Johanna, please take the role. >> Mayor Collins, >> here. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> I am here. >> Commissioner Horn, >> here. Is there a motion for the approval
of the November 6th, 2025 regular and workshop meeting minutes? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn? >> Yes. >> All right. We will now open up public comment to resolutions on today's
agenda. So, if anyone has any comment on any of the resolutions, please step forward. >> Is there a motion to close public comment on resolutions? >> Motion. >> Second. Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Horn,
>> yes. >> Johanna, will you proceed, please? >> May I have a motion for the introduction of ordinance number 20-2025? An ordinance amending ordinance number 11 2025 fixing the salaries and
compensations of certain officers and employees of the city of Margate City, Atlantic County, New Jersey. Motion >> second. >> Mayor Collins, >> yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Horn,
>> yes. >> May I have a motion for resolution number 294-2025 authorizing bill payment and claims? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Horn,
>> yes. May I have a motion for resolution number 295-2025 authorizing a transfer of budget appropriations? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Horn. >> Yes.
>> May I have a motion for resolution number 296-2025 authorizing payment to Kmmore Home Center. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> I abstain. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. Yes. >> Commissioner Horn.
>> Yes. >> May I have a motion for the consent agenda which consists of resolution number 297205 through resolution number 30310-2025 authorizing Oops. Go ahead. 310-2025. >> Motion.
>> Second. >> Mayor Collins. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg. Uh Johanna, before I vote, um we wanted to fix the dates in resolution 304 and 305 to be concurrent. Correct?
So, one says December through November and then the other says um through November. December through November. Okay. So, it did it got fixed. I'm sorry. Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you.
May I have your vote, Commissioner Bloomberg? >> Commissioner Horn. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Johanna. We will now open up to public comment. If anyone has any comment, please step forward. State your name and address. >> Good evening. My name is Myra Heinman. I
live at 9009 Atlantic Avenue. I've been coming to Margate when my parents brought me as a child. I'm going to be 80 years old next September. So, I've been coming to Margate a long time.
I bought a condo at the White Sands and I bought the house across the street. All I can tell you is I have never felt so disliked the way I feel now. It seems
that anything that is important to me is not important to everybody else. I have friends that have been working for the city for 20ome years and I know them inside and out. And this crap that's
going around with this animosity against Commissioner Blumbberg and Lisa is crap. And I think it's awful that you would do this to somebody who's worked for you
for 20ome years and go ahead and just hire somebody, somebody else to do it. I'm a taxpayer. I deserve certain um respect and I deserve certain
things told to me about what's going on in the town that I pay taxes to. So I think you guys and you ma'am um need to start thinking about other
people other than yourself. We're important too. One other thing. >> Thank you. >> This No, this fire department and this police department has saved my life and
I thank you very much for it. But just remember what I'm saying to you and I'm wagging my finger. You got no laugh all you want. You guys have to understand where we're coming from. We pay your salary.
I pay my taxes. I want to be kept a breast of everything. Whatever money I was told that um a check for uh uh somebody was paid $5,000 to do a background check or a check on
somebody. How can you do that when I'm a taxpayer? Don't I deserve the right to know where my money is going? My god, it's very quiet. I just wanted to let you know that that
I am very very upset and hurt about what's being done to my friends that I know forever and know them in and out that they are the most honest above board people ever how you can treat
people like this. So maybe you ought to think about it because um you know there's no guarantee for anybody to be reelected to an office. Thank you. >> Margie Real Margate.
Good evening mayor and commissioners. Um, so at the last meeting, for some weird reason, our business administrator brought up the fact that my husband mistakenly indicated on Harry Hurley show that the Margate CFO was
suspended. Um, if you were listening, you would have heard Vaughn correct him or immediately Harry immediately correct Vaughn and Vaughn agreed that he deferred to Harry that that probably wasn't the case. Um, the reason that
Vaughn was confused was because of the exact wording of the first page of the draft complaint against Lisa McGlaclin by the city of Margate. Quote, "Please take notice that the undersigned attorney for the city of
Margate City makes emergency application to the Department of Community Affairs local government unit for an order suspending Lisa McGlaclin from her position as chief municipal financial officer of the city of Margate City with
pay pending final decision in the above captioned manner." It goes on to say that there is simultaneous quote a simultaneously filed complaint for removal end quote. Now I can I hope the
audience or you guys can forgive his misunderstanding and our misunderstanding but it absolutely says emergency application for an order suspending the CFO and a simultaneously filed complaint for removal.
So, you know, I wish I wish actually maybe it was the suspended part rather than being what it actually is, which is that she's out on FLMA. Um, because what that means is that, you
know, she is likely very distraught over the possibility of losing her job, losing her license, losing her pension. um you know and and after 22 years of loyal public service that complaint
verbiage raises even more questions in addition to the numerous ones that have been previously brought up by the public and largely unanswered. Um so can you tell me what exactly is the emergency?
So again, I think we've discussed this the last few meetings. It I can tell you it is it is uh very uncomfortable to sit up here and have people, you know, accuse us. I'll say us, but it's accuse the commission of doing certain things
uh without having facts and and data. But the reality is we can't we can't sit up here and defend ourselves about a personnel issue. Personnel issues are handled internally and they they always are. So, I'm sure you're aware of that from when your husband sat up here. So, those are things that we can't discuss
publicly. It's it's terrible. I wish we could. I wish we could address things, but we can't. The reality is that uh in any case, um you know, our labor attorneys will advise us. We have to uh to act on on what they what they are
telling us. Um I wish we could discuss more. We can't. I think all three of us will can stand up here and say all we want is the truth and I think everybody in the audience would agree that's what we want and hopefully we get to that point.
>> The complaint is public so that's where you know we're basing our questions on um the CFO has had eight of the last 10 years of perfect audits. I'm not an
attorney. I am a CPA, so I do know what it means to have perfect audits. Um, and it's it's a very high standard. Um, but I, like I said, I'm not an attorney, but my understanding is that there are legal standards that have to be proven to
grant emerent relief action. So, let's cut to the chase. I mean, what exactly did she do that led to the commission led the commission to believe that without emergent suspension and
removal, this Margate cityloving churchgoing employee and resident is going to do irreparable harm to the city of Margate? What harm is they anticipated? How is it going to hurt the city?
Why will it be irreparable and require eent suspension and inevitable withdrawal or sus uh removal? I know you guys can't answer that from what you're telling me, but these are answers that the public want to know
because, you know, it seems that the city is doing irreparable harm to Lisa McLaclin. Um, and it's going to be very very difficult for the city to pay uh put a price tag on that. Um, even if the allegations were true, which
demonstrabably they are not, they still don't justify a request to terminate your CFO on an an emergency basis. I thank you for your time. I think you should seek new advisors. again. Uh Dan Lovelin, 120 South
Jefferson Avenue, apartment 102. Margie, so just listening to Margie speak, the optics, right? The optics matter. You're in the public eye. When you think about a conflict of interest, the the reality is people don't feel comfortable about
conflicts of interest if there's an appearance of impropriy, right? Even a hint. So, I'll go for a couple of examples. Not not taking a shot at you, mayor, but you just motion for a payment to your own family business. Not saying it's in
inappropriate from a technical standpoint, but the appearance of that, right, little sideways. You have a subordinate of Lisa McGlaclin's who is politically connected. Her his h his wife is
politically connected. There's a rumor out there that part of this is politically charged. That this is a payback to Claire Swift for something. That's a rumor that's out there. If you can't address it, you can't address it. But it's a reality that the public believes that that's happening. If it
is, it's disgusting, right? The person who's leading the charge is suing the town. Suing the town. >> That's incorrect. So you dropped your lawsuit. >> There is no lawuit. >> There's no lawsuit. Okay. So that was >> I I do I again
I believe I believe again in full transparency. People need to understand there there are tort claims out against different people within the city. It's not uncommon. This happened. It's happened for the last 50 years. It's this is uh it's a pre-notice of
litigation. There are no >> there are currently no lawsuits involving personnel in the city. >> There are torque claims. >> So I I get the fine line. I get the fine line. >> I'm named in some torque claims. >> Commissioner Horn has named in some torque claims. Commissioner Blumbberg is
named in some torque claims. What we do and what we have an obligation to do is remove ourselves because we can't be biased in the analysis of am I wrong? Is Commissioner Bombard wrong? Is Commissioner Horn wrong? So what we do is we use a third party labor council to investigate those claims. Every single
torque claim since the three of us were elected together has been investigated by third party labor counsel. Some of them are resolved and we have reports that you know clear maybe the our names clear other employees names. Some of them are currently under investigation but they're all that is the the
appropriate way to handle it. And again the desire is is always to seek the truth. That's what we're doing. So you can say, you said it earlier, chaos. Chaos is caused by people trying to to to destroy what this is. Margate is a
great town. It's being it's this perception of what is going on. It's not true. So you can again, you can hear things on the street and the rumors. >> I would say check facts before you start believing some of those rumors. And so
so to your point to your point right you bring in a third party because of the appearance of impropriy and and the possibility of impropriy right but we know that there's tension between Moran and Lisa. So, how is he in a position,
right, with all of the chaos that's going on, whether you whether you whether it's real or imagined, right, we we are you're in the public eye, right? Been there, there now myself, right? There's a reality to being in the public eye. And and putting yourself in a
position where it's clear that there's not an impropriy is important to calming the chaos that you're describing. Right. It takes it takes that that potential for these rumors to spread the way that they have been out. So, I'm still confused as to
how Pat Moran is in in in a responsible charge for this investigation, which is the appearance that that comes out of in the public. Right. And I I get, right? I've been in a lot of situations where there are things that are said that are not accurate.
I I think it's really the responsibility of the council to make the public comfortable that there isn't that impropriy. Whether it's a rumor that's false or not, you have to position it so that the public is comfortable you're
doing the right thing. Clearly, that's not where we're at, right? And and it may be it it may be a hard thing to do, but this is somebody's life, right? and and and then you see all the drama that's created by it and and and I I appreciate it. Mayor Collins, you and I
have had a lot of conversations. I I've done a lot of different things in my life. I've been in a lot of positions where I've had to deal with this type of thing. And you have to do things that are painful sometimes. And you have to you have to make sure that folks, particularly when you have the number of subordinates that you have in this town,
right? If they feel uncomfortable, you're going to have the type of resignation that you just saw. when when you look at the public if they feel uncomfortable you're going to have the type of chaos that you're seeing and the type of confusion that you're seeing. So, so I think you know whatever
whatever you see that's there you the approach should be very clear to the public and to the employees that what you're doing is independent of any personal conflict of any other tort claim lawsuit whatever right you if if you need to
bring in an independent person to run this thing and and take the conflict between my Pat and Lisa whatever else is going on out of it That's what you need to do. The the fact that Pat may have hired somebody to do an investigation,
whatever happened there, right? If if you're at that point where it's almost an independent counsel kind of thing and and the three of you need to agree on it, then then that's where you need to get, right? You can't you can't just let let this thing go on the way that it's going on. >> And again, Dan, we can't speak about
specific instances, but in every case where there's a personnel issue, we follow the same protocol, and that's what we're doing here. I can't I can't tell you if employee A is right or employee B is right or if there's a dispute. We try to handle things internally. It's done all the time. I can Pat Power in public works, we just
talked about this the other day. We have personnel disputes happen everywhere. We have issues. We He tells me anytime there's an issue, he tries to resolve it himself as a department head. If he can't because of X, Y, or Z, sometimes we go to mediation. If we can't get
through it after that, then we go to the third party labor council and we address it. We're handling things. We're following protocol. We're doing things. There's no bias. The intention is for us to be out of this picture, so there's no bias. So, I'm not I'm not saying that's not the case. What I'm saying is the way the way that it's being handled may be
the way you've always done it, >> but maybe that doesn't work in this case, right? Maybe you need to kind of think outside of of those normal lines and get to a place where you reinstill confidence not just in the public but in your employee base, right? You have you
have great hardworking officers, fire, police, right? You you hear about it all the time and and and and your public works team does a great job. Everybody that works for this town is hardwork, right? and they deserve to be comfortable that they're not going to be
in a place where where they are made a victim out of some vendetta whether it's real or perceived in somebody's mind it's real right and that's part of that's one of the leadership challenges in any organization public private whatever you have to deal with the reality that people's perception is
going to drive their behaviors and this type of this type of chaos whether perceived or real is a real risk to the to the safety of the people that are out there doing their job every day because it's a distraction and those distractions lead to problems and and you can see the
tension that it's caused here in the public as well. So I I I we could go back and forth on this all night. I I would just ask you to really consider whether or not a different approach would help to deal with all this chaos. Thank you. Thanks. Vreel, 6 North Mansfield Avenue. Uh,
before I get into what I was going to talk about, I do want to just get all the game of semantics off the table here because I did run the notice of a torture claim across a former judge in the county. And of course, he said, "Yeah, it's not legal action." I said, "Well, if you're an attorney, would you
recommend that the person who's the target of the possible tort claim get an attorney?" He said, "Absolutely." And I said, "Why?" Because it's potential for legal action. So, let's not brush it off like this is nothing. It is a potential for legal action. Now, let's talk about
this recorder system that we have. When I was running for mayor, we didn't have a recorder system. We had our meeting commission meetings upstairs. I didn't. Rim Ross and Marcowski did. And the meetings were at 3:00 in the afternoon and they weren't recorded. So, one of
the things I ran on was bringing the commission meetings down here and doing them at night and having them recorded. And the reason that I ran on that was to hold people accountable for what they say. So you could go back and look at the recordings. So Mayor and
Commissioner Horn, I think you're going to owe some people an apology. All right? because on November 6th, um, I asked why you would vote on moving forward with a complaint
if you knew that the allegations were inaccurate. According to Commissioner Blumberg, who runs the department, and you quote, and this is 55 minutes into the meeting, there was never a vote
on any complaint moving forward. So that is false information. Here's the problem with that. After I got down, two other people got up and said, "No, we were in the room. We saw it. We saw you go into executive
session. We saw you leave executive session and there was an agreement to move forward with the complaint. Now, I don't know how you get to an agreement without having some type of internal vote. Don't shake your head cuz on October 9th, 25 minutes and 28 seconds
into it, when you guys come back from executive session, Solicitor Abbott says, "Why you went into executive session? You're back from executive session." And now he says, "This will move forward. The complaint is ready to go. After meeting with Commissioner
Blumbberg next Monday at 11:00 a.m. and meeting with Lisa's attorney Monday at 1 p.m., unless there is resolution, the complaint will be filed. So what that indicates is that when you went into executive session, something was
discussed and there was some agreement to continue moving forward. if you didn't come to resol resolution. Now, I understand you may not have filed the complaint. But if that's what you were trying to communicate
20, let's see, 55 minutes in on November 6th, you missed the mark because everybody that was in this room, their jaw dropped when you said it. Okay. Now, mayor, you probably you actually can answer these questions, but I'll let you
off the hook if you don't want to. How long you been in business? >> Been in business. >> Yeah. How long you been in business? >> My personal business? >> Yeah. How long have you been in business? >> Me personally or the business itself? >> How long have you >> have I been >> Yes. been in business? How long have you
been managing people? >> Managing people? >> Yeah. >> Uh, let's see. 15 years, let's say. >> Have you ever hired a private investigator to investigate one of your people? >> No. >> No. Could you imagine the morale on your
people that are underneath you, their colleagues, if you did hire a private investigator? >> It would be negative, right? >> So, I've had to terminate many employees. >> I didn't ask that. I asked if you hired a private investigator. >> I'm speaking and if you want to ask me questions, you're going to let me speak.
At least show some respect. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So, uh yeah, I've had to terminate many people. I've had many people people quit on me. I've had workplace uh problems and disputes. >> It's not the question I asked.
>> You're an embarrassment. You I'm just You are >> beg your pardon. You didn't ask the question, Mr. So, Mayor, >> the way you're treating me. So, Commissioner, >> you should be ashamed of yourself. >> I I You should go listen to your recording. Commissioner Hord, would you rather work for a company that
investigates a 22-year-old a 22-year employee with a private investigator, or would you rather work for a company that doesn't investigate a 22-y old employee? >> I respect your passion and your friendship. And it's nice what you're doing.
>> However, your means, the way you're going about it, I don't necessarily agree with. >> A lot of people don't agree with what you guys are doing as well. So, let me finish off here. We can't say that much. So, we sit here and let you come up and grandstand and
do your theatrics and we have to sit here and just listen. Some of what you say is true, but not all of it. >> My understanding is you could have settled this last April, but you didn't. Okay. So, >> do you not like the way we're handling this or do you do you want to hear what
our answers or do you just want to sit there and try and embarrass someone? What do you care how >> do I care? >> That's not the point. The point is you want to stick up for Lisa and that's great and that's noble. We didn't vote.
The three of us, all three of us agreed in executive session to do whatever the solicitors recommended. We're not attorneys. We're not labor attorneys. >> So, >> we take their recommendations. >> Okay. So, let's go forward with this.
>> I have a question for you, Von. Sure. >> When you were mayor, >> if several employees came to you with complaints, what would you do? Would you get it investigated? >> Uh, several employees did come to me with complaints. And we never hired a private investigator. By the way, I had
a different solicitor than you because according to the BA, the solicitor both recommended and approved the hiring of the of the private investigator. So, you might want to fire find yourself different advisors. Now let's go back to
this. On October 9th, I came in here so you know why I'm doing this. Not just because of my friendship, because there is something called organizational dynamics and behavior. On October on October 19th, I came in. I said
because of the items I just mentioned, you've hire a private investigator. You hurt the morale of the existing employees and you make the city less marketable to future employees. And what did we just hear? A complete surprise.
The second employee out of a three department uh uh crew has now resigned. You are now running a $40 million budget with an accounts payable clerk that is not a CPA. That sounds like, what was the word
you used? Chaos. That sounds like chaos. I've managed a lot of business and I know you have, mayor. It's not how you run a business. That's my point. It doesn't just have to do with Lisa Calibes Mlaclin who is a dear friend.
It has to do with that there's a public complaint that one commissioner has said is inaccurate. And if you just scratch at the scab a little bit, you see it's inaccurate. It has to do with the advice that you're getting. You could settle
this quickly and quietly. Don't be angry at me for coming up here to put pressure on you to settle. That's what this is about. >> I want us to settle. That's what you're saying. I want you to make this go away quickly and
>> and settle. >> You think you're going to win this? You really think you're going to win this? >> Is that your solution? >> My solution when I see a bad action that's going to cost the city a lot more money is to cut my losses. That's what a good business and a good fiduciary.
>> So whenever anyone in the city >> I didn't say that. >> Wait, I'm going to say because I have had department heads say, "Wow, should I just file a torque claim when I'm ready to leave and I'll get a payout?" That's the pattern you said right now. >> So >> that's the risk. >> Is that what you would do
>> without any investigation? >> I would not have moved forward on a complaint that a commissioner said was inaccurate on the record. I would not have hired a private investigator. Please don't try to project your mistakes on me. Now, here's what I see
as an outsider coming at you guys. Hey, I'm not wishing this. I'm saying from an experienced person, as an outsider, it looks like you're going to end up settling with Lisa. It looks like you're going to end up settling with him cuz
he's going to eventually sue you. I don't think you have anything to worry about so far from what I've seen with all this crap. And at this pace, I'm assuming, like you just said, you're going to have to settle at least one or two more people. So from a fiduciary
standpoint, >> why are we gonna have to settle with one or two? >> I'm assuming other people are going to line up just like you said. You're the one who just said it. >> I did. >> Right. So why did you ask me why I just said >> settle with anybody that has that? >> I'm not going to settle with anybody that has here's the edit guys for
payout. >> I think here's what it feels like. It feels like you guys somehow got roped into other people's personal agendas and vendettas. >> I don't know if you did. It's what it feels like. If I'm you, I change all my advisors out because this is not how you
run a city. I never saw this over a personnel disagreement. I never saw a PI over a person. Heck, I can't even recall having a court claim processed or or or filed against me. And you're claiming it's everyday business. I I it's
remarkable. Anyway, thank you for your time and I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Sharon Simon, 424 North Derlo Avenue. Right, we all just need to take a breath here. Um, this is very uncomfortable. I'm sure it's uncomfortable for you and
uncomfortable for everybody out here. It creates a lot of emotion. You ran for office and that's part of it. Unfortunately, people get to come up and they're very emotional and the fact that they're attacking you, it comes with the
territory, right? So, um that's why I'd never run for office. I don't like to be yelled at. Um it's very uncomfortable. Hostile meetings is what it is. Hostile everything. So, I agree with everything.
If there's something wrong, it needs to be addressed. I agree with the people who said it's how you address it. It's how the community sees it, right? It can't be about I like Lisa, you don't like Lisa. It's not what it's about,
right? What's going to happen? What's the process? What's the timing? And please consider for the hostile work environment to bring in a professional because whatever you want to call them lawsuits,
whatever just makes it worse. The anger what's going on making it worse. There's professionals that can come in and work with all of you with your employees and I suggest beg you to do that because
it's not fun. It's not good. It's not nice. Sucker for you, sucker for anybody. Thank you. >> Do we have any more public comment? >> Steve Alman, 9003 Amherst Avenue, Mark 8. Um, I spent 40 years as a
photojournalist. I worked for three presidents of the United States. I worked for the Queen of England. I've worked for a lot of prime ministers. I've seen government at its best and at its worst. I have watched
Lisa since she first was hired do a remarkable job. And over the years, she got better and better at it. Uh I I I I can attest to that. Uh I really
the 200 odd people that I spoke about earlier were my neighbors as these people are my neighbors. I saw uh Mayor Real's administration. I didn't agree with a lot of what he had
to say then. I don't think I agree with a lot of what he's saying now. It's inappropriate for uh an employee of this city to be attacked in the way that some of the employees have been attacked. I
don't know the details of this litigation. I'm not supposed to. It's not for the public to know what happens with an HR situation. I know the things I've heard here, but I
don't take them as fact. I know that uh one employee his job his job title is to investigate when a complaint comes before him. And if he
uses an outside investigator, I'm assuming, not knowing any better, that that's part of what his tools are to do his job. I don't know Lisa's side of the story. I haven't had the pleasure
of sitting down with her to find out her side of things, but I do know this. I have sat in that chair for 25 years since I came home to Margate. I sat
there because the sound system used to be terrible and I couldn't hear what people were saying. But for 25 years, I've seen all of the administrations. I've supported Mari for 18 years, Mari.
And I am very proud that he can sometimes be a contrarian, but he always has his facts in order. And when he doesn't, he says, "I don't know." That's a really remarkable thing.
Commissioner Horn, I really admire your guts in saying what really is that not everybody in this room knows the facts because you know I don't know the facts. Somebody wants to enlighten me outside
of this room, I'll be glad to listen. I know that the fire department, the police department, uh, public works, I imagine you all have contracts that Lisa's been involved in negotiating and you have good contracts. Your health
insurance is good because Lisa was involved. But if there is an issue, we all have to trust to the process. I trusted Lisa. I certainly trust the police department. fire department's
been remarkable in helping my family and all of you are my neighbors and are deserving of the benefit of the doubt and respect and I really resent when respect is not given to you. This is a
pretty dogone good heads, uh, heads of department as well as commissioners and mayor. And I thank you for letting me get that off my chest. Thank you, STEPHEN.
>> Do we have any more public comment? >> Is there a motion to close public comment? >> Motion. >> Second. Mayor Collins, >> yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Horn, yes. >> Uh, Scott, is there
close session? Do we want to >> do >> move into close session? >> If you want to do it and you're >> here, here we go. If you want to consider possibility of a shared services agreement with perhaps another
municipality, I would suggest you go into close session so you can discuss that and discuss terms, compensation, and how you want to go forward if that's what you want to do tonight. >> Okay. I'll make a motion for close session. >> Second, >> Mayor Collins?
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> No. I this is nothing that I'm aware of. I can you tell tell me a little more what what is it that we're going to be discussing?
>> It's a basic discussions on how to proceed in your department. >> As I understand it, commissioner, you with the resignation, he's going on to another job. you you need someone else in there to
assist in the in your department to find >> and the email that I got today was that the business administrator was going to reach out to some other town so and I approve that. So what is there to discuss an executive? Well, because we're nowhere near close to >> excuse me,
>> if you reach out to another town, >> he has to be armed with what are you willing to do? What are you willing to pay? What what would the >> first you have to gauge the interest of the other town? Ventner already told us no. >> That's that's incorrect. >> Initially,
>> that's why I said I'd like to really discuss discuss. It's your department, sir. If you don't, we >> I I I would like to have some information before we get in and bring in my fellow commissioners. I have got nothing. I've got no information on what
it is you're even thinking. Maybe you could call me tomorrow and we could do that. How about that? >> That would be great. Thank you. >> Good. >> So, we think no, not necessary in that instance. >> There's there's no information yet, Mike. >> Okay. That's I think we do need to talk about
>> at some point in time. Maybe we will >> how you're going to do it. Now >> if I don't know when this resignation's effective, but we certainly don't want to have a problem with issuing payroll or anything else. So, >> you know, do what you want. You want to you want to wait two weeks?
>> You got it. I'll talk to Pat tomorrow. >> Okay. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Mayor Collins? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Blumbberg? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Yes, >> it's over.