Affairs a meeting to water time is uh 70707. Um we're only dealing with one topic this evening. This is uh order number 05-1000713. And this is from the communication from attorney Gad Boys for MHQ Municipal
Vehicles 235 Boston Post Road West to amend the zoning ordinance to allow outdoor storage in the business commercial automotive and industrial industrial districts. If is incidental to one of the permitted uses in the zoning district which the main building
and lot is located. Further outside storage must be adequately fenced and screened from the street and adjacent properties which is which are a solid fence of s sufficient height to obscure the materials stored where therein is referred to the planning board and the
urban affairs and you had a public hearing the 14th. Um this evening we also have some various notes. Um we have an attached amended ordinance from attorney gad boys further defining outdoor storage and I believe that we all have that. Mhm.
>> Yep. We all have this. >> It's all in the packet. >> We have that. >> Okay. Um and I think I will probably read the amendment uh to it. It says ordered that the city of Marvo chapter 200 zoning ordinance as amended is
further amended by amending section 200-17 table of uses business uses outdoor storage by changing LI limited industrial district from N to SP and further to amend section 20-18 conditions for use as noted in the table
of uses section 17 note 26 by deleting note 26 in its entirety and inserting in place Therefore, thereof the following if I >> you want me to read it for you? >> Yeah, if you would. >> Thank you. >> Having a tough time reading.
>> Outdoor storage. Outdoor storage but not in auto junkyard may be permitted in the business, commercial, automotive, and industrial districts if it is incidental to one the permitted uses in the zoning district in which the main building and lot is located. Outdoor storage is
allowed as necessary at allowed as an accessory use in a limited industrial district only for light non-nuisance manufacturing and assembling of specialized vehicles for use by municipal, state and other public agencies. Further, the outside storage
must be adequately screened from the street and adjacent properties to obscure the materials stored therein. Okay. So that was the amendment amendment as you as you submitted. Also attached to I have an email from solicitor Agaritzus
advising that the amended ordinance would not require an additional public hearing of or revertising. Um and actually I got two here. It says uh >> there's two sets of language. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's there's several things in
here. Um, it says, "Dear attorney g reviewed your proposed zoning change and it meets with my approval from both a legal standpoint and with I and and what I believe would satisfy the fears of certain counselors."
That was as of this evening. Did you hear that? >> At 6:38. >> Yeah, I think you just got this. >> Oh, okay. Great. >> That's probably in your mailbox right now, council. If I might comment on that last email,
um originally the the change that I had submitted to the um to the um planning board did not contain the phrase as an accessory use uh in the limit industrial district. I think that
was always intended and it's sometimes you don't see the forest through the trees. And as I was reading it again, I said, "Gee, was, you know, someone could could interpret that to mean that it's not a sexual use." And that's why I put it in there. >> And that's why Jim uh wrote the last
comment because that was based on on the insertion of of that last phrase as an accessory use. >> Okay. I know that all the councils did not get this. I'll make sure that you all get a copy of this. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, also attached is a letter from the
city planner El Planner Lemur addressing the revision to the pro proposed ordinance. >> Yes, councelor, would you please? >> I have reviewed the revisions to the proposed zoning amendment. Those revisions now include strictly defining
what additional outdoor storage uses are allowed in limited industrial district and adds an accessory use limitation. I believe that these revisions address the issues outlined in my March 7th memo, particularly the concern related to the amendment possibly resulting in the
spread of inappropriate outdoor storage uses in an LI district. The narrow definition of the allowed storage will result in its limited application elsewhere in the district. If you have any questions about this recommendation, please do not hesitate to contact me. >> Okay. Thank you, councelor. Mhm.
>> And also there's we have an attached letter from Mara Webster in support of the proposed ordinance. Did you receive a copy of this? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. >> Dear Chairman Clancy, due to previous commitment, I am unable to attend tonight's urban affairs meeting, but
wanted to share my thoughts with you. First and foremost, I along with councelor Pope met with MHQ personnel and residents along Elm Street in an area surrounding the particular property that sparked this zoning change. After our productive question and answer session, residents left feeling
confident in the uses of this particular parcel by MHQ and were supportive of their quest to move to the facility. Looking back to my notes of that meeting, of particular interest to the neighbors was the lessened number of vehicles that would be traveled to and from the building on a daily basis. This
is mainly because the vehicles will be outfitted most often come in bulk shipments during normal business hours and the number of employees MHQ would have would be significantly fewer than any company moving to an office building of that size. MHQ's hours and means of
operation and deliveries was acceptable to the residents and they were willing to work with the neighbors in creating appropriate fencing and buffer areas between parking lots, storage lots, and backyards. This change would permit restricted outdoor storage in an LI zone
by special permit. As an urban affairs as as an urban affairs committee and as the city council, we have the authority to restrict such use by not approving such permits whenever we deem it potentially detrimental to the surrounding areas. To those who may say
that from previous experience, the council passes almost every special permit that comes before it, I have to question whether or not in those cases was the council truly doing its job. Were the best interests of the land, neighbors, and the city looked at in those instances? If so, then yes, those
permits should have been granted and were done so justly. If not, then it's entirely another issue, not one of law, but one of action or inaction. As the amendment has been rewritten, I feel that the limitations are in place to prevent harmful use in an LI zoned areas
that would not be appropriate for certain outdoor storage uses. The strict definitions enable businesses that have been quality assets to the city of Marorrow to continue to be good neighbors and operate in accessible areas of our community while maintaining
the integrity of our neighborhoods. Sincerely, Mara Webster. Councelor Wood Five. >> Thank you, councel. >> You're welcome. saves my breath. Okay. Also, uh because this involves the entire city, I had passed out to all the
uh the city councils a I had it prepared by uh the GIS um portion of the engineering department and it actually outlines uh each of the each each ward and as how this will
impact every ward. I don't know if you want to see one of these. >> Oh, yeah. Prop. >> I have the big map, too. >> Okay. One thing I did do is that >> I had them uh specified the number of
total acres that would be impacted, you know, because this is a zoning change that covers all LI in the entire city. >> And if you take really take a look at it, council, uh ws three, four, and five probably would bear the most impact. you
know, uh, wad three with 20% of the ward under limited industrial or 592 acres. Wad four with 1,66 acres or 42% of the wad. Wad five would have uh 56
acres with 34%. Then wad six with 1888 acres with 14 and wad 2 would be 171 with 7% of the ward. So the most the biggest impact probably would be in wads uh three, four and
five. Uh wads one and seven both escape any limited industrial. There are no no limited industrial areas on those two wards. So I I had them prepare this just so you get an idea of where each and every limited industrial area would be
in in your wards. So because it is a concern I know of most councilors if we this wasn't worded properly you know we could have the spread of outdoor storage through the entire city you know and that that's not really the intent that we really want to look at because mostly
outdoor storage is allowed in industrial area >> that was made clear at the public hearing and and that's why the the the re uh the rewarding of the ordinance to to narrow it down so that you wouldn't have the proliferation that Al Lima
mentioned in his original memo >> and the and the whole idea was to certainly restrict it. Um I think it passes the the sniff test so to speak. >> Um and it again we have to keep in mind it is
an accessory use and it's an accessory use to a a very limited >> uh limited uh kind of manufacturing. Then of course there comes various questions that people have hit me with and
>> could you know I don't know if your business would be outfitting uh making earth movers. >> No >> or any type of large construction equipment. >> No, we do mainly would be pickups, dump trucks, town sand trucks, >> plow trucks. Um
>> most of that's done >> bucket trucks >> done indoors. Excuse me. >> Do bucket trucks? Um, no. We have it. Most of it's just like a dump truck, a six wheel, 10 wheel dump. >> Okay. >> That you're would plow your streets with >> what we use on the sand vehicles there.
And most of those are done indoors. When they go out, they leave. They >> not even there. They wouldn't even be a storage issue with those. >> Yeah. Because you know try you know the parcel of property that you own down on it probably doesn't really refer to this but the parcel of property you own down
on Cell Street. One of the problems we had was testing of sirens outside. >> Um yes and that was not with the it did not have anything to do with the truck division. >> That was a separate part upstairs that we had done for an overflow of vehicles and had issues with employees. But the
trucks do not have sirens in them. So, there should never have been any testing or any sirens down there. >> Yeah, I know it doesn't pertain at this point because you if we do to pass pass the uh zoning request, uh you would then have to apply for a special permit. Um
the >> and I suspect we deal with those issues very similarly to how we dealt with the first time you came through because I know that was a concern for me with the residents on South Street >> and we we put in very specific language about the testing of outdoor sirens and saying it would be in done indoors. It
would not be heard outdoors and so I'd obviously want to make sure for the residents of this area that those same provisions are put in and that you all are amendable to that. Yeah, >> th the particular subject was of great interest at the neighborhood meeting and and the folks um walked away pretty
comfortable that um with the answers that they were given and pretty much know who to call now. So, >> we have a shunt we have a shunt that we put on to test them and test them indoors so that they can run them. There's no reason to run them. >> What that you put on? >> It's a shunt that that siren box that we
had showed. >> Oh, right. Okay. >> That you can actually hear. It's like a stereo set and you turn it down so you can actually hear it. There should not be any testing outdoors. There's no need for >> Mhm. >> Now I know that has nothing to do with at this point. We might be looking at
this later. You're you know I do operate 24 hours a day. >> We operate um on emergency cases sometimes 24 hours a day, but it's not a full 24 hours. If there's a car that needs to be done or a small town that can't wait and it runs into nine, 10, 11
o'clock, um they'll wait for it to be finished and leave, but it's not a steady 24 hours and it's not outdoors. It would be one or two employees inside >> that would be working on a car because the amount of time it takes to do all the wiring for them and some towns only
have one or two cars and can't tie them up. I noticed, you know, when you go down and take a look at your operation, you presently have down on Route 20, you know, you have many upper cars outside, you know, um this requires that you're
going to have to um encircle them in some sort of fencing. >> Yes. >> You know, you presently don't have fencing down there. >> And is this for security reasons? Um, no. The reason just it's the location there and most of the uh property on Elm Street is covered with trees and
everything else except where it butts the back part of um the neighbors. And on that side, we're really not parking vehicles there. That's employee vehicles. The parking's on the back side and the far side where there's total screening of trees. >> As as I go into the property, you come
you come in and then it goes up the hill to the right. There's a series of parking lots that go up that step up the hill. That's >> there's a large parking area there. And then you go around the building, there's another large parking area over on the other side. >> Yep. The large parking area up on the side, not the tiered side that goes up
would be employee parking. And for if they're employees on the other side of the building that we don't lease, >> our parking would be up on the far side. >> So you actually be behind the building. So you would be able you probably wouldn't be able to even see it from Elm Street. the the the in this particular case, the building part of the building
would would would be that screening. >> Um and then there would have to be fencing in other on other parts of the property where the building doesn't obscure it. >> Yeah, we had discussed with the neighbors and we would fence the property there anyways >> on the side where the houses are, but most of the parking is going to be up on
that far side and then around the back of the building. Mhm. >> Can I ask a question? >> Um the language in the in this um resoning out outdoor storage is allowed as an accessory use in a limited industrial district only for light
non-nuisance manufacturing and assembling of specialized vehicles for use by municipal, state, and other public agencies. To the best of your knowledge, how many other companies are there out there that are municipal, state, or other public agencies that
this would fall under? >> Um, we do police, fire, water departments, and then the only other one that we've done in the past and have asked would be like Comcast. Um, >> or Comcast doesn't work. >> Okay. >> Comcast wouldn't that's not a public
agency. >> Okay. So statewide, >> how many other >> how many other companies similar to MH is what I'm asking competitors. >> Competitor wise, um there really isn't any. There's um some small dealers in
the area that do them um out west. There might be two or three others, but that the size that we do, there isn't anybody that does the complete. >> Okay. And then David, this question is for you, and it's probably it's a difficult one to ask, so it's not going to sound the best. Um, this is a very
good project for this piece of land. And the reason that all of the land across town needs to be reszoned is because it would be spot zoning if you just allowed this to go in there. How is this not spot zoning with this language? >> Oh, be because it applies to every lot
city that's in the LI district. >> But is this language tailored specifically for this company? >> It's not specific. It's not specifically tailored for a particular piece of property. That's what spot zoning is all about, >> right? >> You know what I'm trying to get across. >> I know that I know what you're trying to
get at. It just happens to be that they're the they might be one of the very few companies in the country that do this kind of work, but so be it. It's it's a it's certainly a specific kind of thing. Um I guess one of an example of of of what
you could do is um your zoning your zoning will allow a hospital okay in a in a particular zone. Now a hospital is is one of a kind, right?
um it contains offices, it contains um several different kinds of things in it, but it's a hospital. And unless um if you had a uh let's let's say a facility, I'm trying to think of the
word, a um a medical office building, okay? Where where you have doctors and they perform procedures and so forth. But if it doesn't have a hospital license, it can't exist in in that zone where a hospital is allowed. But they're not allowed. But yet they do the same kind
of work, >> right? Well, the reason I'm asking >> and that and that's why I'm saying, you know, this is kind of akin is is is this tightly drawn? Absolutely. Um your zoning ordinance can omit specific kinds of things from appearing in a in a zone
and it can allow specific kinds of things. Mhm. >> The um a zoning ordinance is the validity of a zoning ordinance is sustained. Okay. So long as there's a substantial relationship between the furtherance of the public health, public
safety and and welfare and um the presumption is always in favor of the ordinance, right? And unless you can show if it's fairly debatable, right? Then it will be sustained as to whether or not it's a valid ordinance or not. Mhm. >> Uh the one thing that uh in this
particular case, I mean, there really has been no objection that I've heard of for this particular use at this particular in um and the ordinance as it as is currently phrased. There's a fairly short um
statute of limitations where if this is not appealed following the 90 days of the final advertising um following passage then we can't even go to court. >> Okay? you know, and
>> it's not obviously this is this is somewhat similar to um if you remember when they when they did the threecom ordinance to to pass the um ordinance for so that you could put three comm there very similar to this >> and and I understand that. I just want
to be sure because obviously there is a significant amount of ally land in W 4, right? >> And I just want to be sure that um you know we're not potentially opening up the rest of the area. A lot of it is already developed. So,
>> to be honest with you, I think we may also want to get the city solicitor's opinion on that. I know he said it was okay for advertising everything, but we may just want to seek his opinion on that because >> if we're going to open, you know, if we're concerned about opening it up, I think we want to get something from the city solicitor, too, that
>> if someone were to challenge this later on that it couldn't be opened up that just outdoor storage is allowed and there's no definition on it. So, we might want to do that. The only challenge could be the validity of the ordinance. I mean, there couldn't be a challenge that says, "Okay, because you've passed this ordinance, we can now have other kinds of businesses with
this." >> Right. No, I I recognize what you're saying. I just think for our comfort, I would like to from our writing. >> Okay. Yeah, that's fine. >> Um, can I go right ahead? I'm sorry. >> Um, >> and C, I don't know if you were done. >> Yeah. No, I'm go ahead. >> Um, I will say it has given me greater
comfort that originally Mr. Lima had obviously had some reservations about this and expressed some opposition to us and that he um submitted to us a new based on your revisions here a new uh recommendation um that he could now be in favor of. Um I know last week I also
asked u building inspector Reed if based on the new language that you submitted if he could give us whether it changed his initial recommendation or not because his initial recommendation was against. I haven't seen anything this evening that changes his recommendation one way or the other and I don't know if he hasn't responded yet. So I would like I would
like to res to reserve >> we had we had an opinion today >> from Mr. Reid. >> Oh, Steve Reed. >> Steve Reed. Yeah. No, we haven't heard from him him yet and he had talked about some of the zoning issues that relate to it and since he is sort of our enforcement officer with respect to zoning, I would
>> I would like to sort of just make sure he's okay with the change or at least know what his feelings are on it. Um so I would like to get that as well. Okay, I will get there. I think I think council pulp was you know mentioned something to me earlier
just in conversation about the potential for automobile agencies opening up unlimited industrial. >> Yeah. I mean it has >> selling selling >> I mean that has nothing to do with this use. I mean this I mean this is specifically towards a it's has to be
manufacturing. It's it's not a retail operation. It's purely a manufacturing operation where they have to do the work there. It has nothing to do with selling of motor vehicles and so forth. And and I know that uh councelor Pope had expressed that same sentiment to me a couple of
weeks ago. Um but there's no way you could interpret this or >> this new language makes me feel much more comfortable. I'll be honest with you. It really does. >> And I mean I think in where it's located there's nowhere >> Yeah, that's Well Well, no. I mean, there's there's there's plenty of other allied districts. That's the thing.
We're not we're not talking about a specific lot at this stage of the game that comes with with the special permit. We're talking about all of the allied districts and all of the areas that you're talking about. >> Correct. You know, I think that what you've said this evening concerning competition out there, you know, you
pretty much are the the only outfitter for the uh police vehicles and various municipal vehicles in this area. you know, maybe this east coast. >> Yeah, it's and because of the size, you're dealing with a clientele that I think there's 325 cities and towns in
Massachusetts. So, I mean, there's not a lot. And by the size and the volume we do, it's tough for anybody to compete price-wise. >> Do you do you outfit vehicles for the state of Maine, >> New Hampshire? >> No. And we may do an emergency basis that we have them, but
>> where do they get theirs? You have any? >> Um, there's usually a small dealership there. There isn't anywhere that's as concentrated as this other than like New York City and but again places like that they don't do the complete that we do manufacturing.
>> Where did this concept come up? >> How did you get into the business? I'm just curious. >> A nightmare I created >> 20 something years ago to do a complete package and it's a one-stop shop >> and as it's growing because of cities and towns, it's tough for anybody to
even compete price-wise because of our volume. >> Mhm. that you'd see the difference if you were to go to a local dealer or out outfitter outfitter that you'd find it quite a bit difference in cost. >> Okay. How many vehicles do you actually produce per year? Say of the auto
automobile kind >> um 2,2500 >> 2,2500 how many vehicles would you have sitting on site you know in in the process of
preparation? we could have around 5600 um at a time that we've run into down we are now. But the difference with this facility um size-wise, we're going to a lot bigger building. The turnaround should be a lot quicker. So, you know, I'm sure the numbers will be a lot less.
>> I have gone out and and looked at your operation on the inside. It's very tight. Yes. >> Presently, uh would you be expanding your uh workforce? >> No. No. It's really it's what we're going to do is just it'll we would add a few more employees, but most of it what
it's going to be is give more room to work on them. And we assemble the vehicles in an assembly line. >> So really what it does give them they can work on three or four cars at a time now where they can only work on one indoors >> because of tight space. Um average car
takes around anywhere from 40 to 60 hours to completely start to finish. Sometime when I was down there I was wondering how you get the vehicles out of there. >> You know you have one fix finished over here. How do you get it to the door? You have to move a lot of vehicles. >> Yeah, you do. And that's why you try
assembly and this new facility will give us we're almost tripling in size indoors. But as far as uh being able to do the work and the amount of wiring and time it takes. You can't it's not a fast production assembly line that you can gear up and do a lot faster because it's
just it's all wiring. It's all takes time. Council, >> two questions. Um, on the language of the actual thing here, I noticed that in business, commercial automotive and industrial use, in order to have the outdoor storage, it must be incidental to one of the permitted uses. Um, in the
for the limited industrial, we're going to make it an accessory use. Is there a reason why it's not also incident? Am I just misunderstanding the terms there? Why it wouldn't have to also be incidental to the permitted use? I I I think they're synonymous. Incidental and accessory. >> Accessory. >> Okay.
>> Could we change the language to reflect the same word? >> Incidental was the original. I believe the original ordinance had it as as incidental. >> Right. I Well, I I the reason why I ra the reason why I raise that is Steve Reed's initial recommendation to us talked about the fact that in the first three it was incidental and that limited
industrial is allowed for accessory uses for other things. I just I'm just one I guess I don't appreciate the difference between I'm trying to understand what the difference between the two is and whether we say incidental two and an accessory. I don't know is they mutually exclusive. That's what I don't understand. I I kind of don't get what those two terms mean. >> Again, what I tried to do in in in
redoing the ordinance is is try to change as as little as I could because you already had an existing ordinance. Um, and then when I got to the um to the limited industrial portion of it, there is a definition for accessory use. And
so that's why I threw that in there as opposed to incidental. Um, you might even make a recommendation that we change the um um the in the first sentence instead of calling it incidental, call it accessory. >> I don't know what that means, though.
What does that mean? I guess yeah, what does accessory versus incidental mean? What does I don't I don't appreciate that difference. I mean, maybe maybe I'm a little bit dafted here, but I just can't I'm not sure what that difference is. But I can tell you what accessory means because it's it's desri it's um uh
it's it's described in your ordinance and that's why we >> do you know the difference? >> No. >> No. >> Accessory use is a use customarily incidental. So I guess it's it's that's
>> okay. Okay. cuz that was kind of my like I didn't understand why they were using incident on one accessory another. So it is one of the same. It sounds like okay >> the use customary incidental to to that of the main building or the use of the >> maybe one thing we should when we're asking the city solicitor just for his opinion as to whether it's going to open up is which
>> you think which is prefer preferable incidental or >> maybe maybe be consistent in instead of calling it incidental in the first >> in the first sentence would call that accessory >> right but I just would want to get an opinion from the so changing that is
okay you know what I'm saying is that we're not missing anything. >> In other words, change that to incidental to accessory. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> And then the per So, in other words, what you're saying if it is if it is incidental to one of the permitted uses in the zoning district which the main
building and lot is located outdoor storage is is allowed as an accessory use in Yeah, >> we want those two words to be the same >> two. Okay. So we >> at least ask a city solicitor is it okay to make them the same if there if there is some appreciable difference you know
have them tell us that I just >> my understanding of the two words is kind of the same so that's yeah that's >> okay >> okay >> and then my second question >> sure >> um as you know um we as a committee or urban affairs last year spend a great
deal of time on this special permit uh only to find out a few months later that the deal >> fell through exactly Exactly. Uh now we're actually going through a process where we're not only looking at a special permit, but a zoning change. And my question to you is I do not want to
find us in a situation where 2 or 3 months later the deal's fallen through again and we've made a zoning change. >> Um so my question to you is >> how do you think I feel? >> I understand probably your deal is subject to getting appropriate permits and everything, but is this going to be
a deal or are you still trying to work out the economics of it? No, we've actually come to an agreement with a lease on the property and we have a um builders that have gone through given us prices and everything on the building to
do it. And so we have priced out everything and actually what we're into now is we're paying a percentage to hold that building. >> Okay. And do you have a signed agreement subject to getting >> We have a signed agreement and it's subject to getting the permits by um I
believe it's the second week in July and we are paying substantially to hold that building. >> Okay. >> So we have a >> Could you could you extrapolate a little on the on the terms of the leases? How long a term is the lease? >> Um I believe the lease is a 15year lease.
>> 15 year lease. 15 year >> 15 year lease. So in other words, that's that's all pending >> as of the first, >> it's all subject to getting the >> approval of the permits. >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> And a deadline, I believe, of the second week in July is what we had set. Um, and
the cost to hold the building, >> who is who is the present owner of the building? >> Who is the present owner of the building? >> Cliff. >> Cliff Shore. >> Capital Risk Management. I think is that uh No, that's the guy. >> Sure would be.
>> Well, it's um CJS Holdings 2, Inc. >> CJS holding >> Holdings 2, Inc. >> for sure. >> And then the only thing I would add is one thing that this committee has been
trying to do in the last couple special permits is making sure that the taxes are paid on the property. that be subject to a special permit. So you might want to just make sure that that's taken care of before you come before us on the special permit. >> I suspect I suspect they may be all paid off. I just >> I suspect they are only because >> we do look into that now.
>> He just bought the building this past year and so they would have been >> Oh, right. When they when they closed. Yeah. That would have had to been Okay. Just so you know that that So that is an embarrassing issue at the time of special permit. >> Okay. Okay. So, basically what we're looking for
is the solicitor's opinion and the ch, you know, if we have a challenge to the ordinance and secondly, we are also looking for the building inspector's opinion. Sure. >> On the change of the ordinance. Okay. So, those are the two things. >> Can I just add on the solicitor's opinion and if this could potentially
open up in the future to not just the limit of this definition, but someone could argue for an expanded definition. Do you know what I'm saying? >> Okay. Okay. So in other words, >> if there could be any possible challenge in the future to expand this definition, >> the future,
>> right? >> Broad interpretation, >> right? Broader interpretate. You know, someone could argue, well, this is too limiting and you got to open it up type of thing. >> We also want the solicitor to look at those two terms, >> correct? >> Y. >> So in other words, we're looking for
these three things, incidental or accessory. Uh the terminology are they the same or the are they different? >> Correct. >> And um >> Steve Reed. >> Steve Reed. Yeah, I have that as
building inspector's opinion. >> Okay. So those three. >> Okay. So um anything else that you would like to add this evening? >> No. Um, I I guess one of the things that as you just heard from him, we need all permits, which would include building permits, special permits, and the whole
thing by uh early July. Um, I'm wondering if there's I'm not sure when your next council meeting is. Is it u >> 28th? >> Then after that is the 11th. >> Okay. It would it would be nice if it if if we
could get it reported out on the 28th, which would probably require a meeting of this of this committee on on Monday. Soon as Yeah, that would be Monday. >> Mhm. >> Um >> and then it's going to sit on the table till the 11th. >> See, we don't you know when we don't
have another meeting scheduled until uh next uh Tuesday evening, the >> 29th. >> Okay. So, you might be looking at reporting it out on the 11th, >> right, >> council? >> Um, if it would if we can fix the
schedule. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem meeting on Monday evening for this >> issue only for um these questions answered. >> Sure. >> Um I don't want to get into a situation where attorney Gad Boyce is going to ask us at the next urban affairs meeting the
day after to consider reporting it out under a suspension. I would much rather throw it out and let it lay on the table. >> That's what I was That's what I was driving at. I didn't want to have on the 11th making that request because I I know what your feelings are on that and I respect those. So, >> I'd like to add something in. I'm I'm
not going to be at the 11th meeting, >> right? >> I'm going to be on vacation. So, that could be a problem. >> Awesome. >> Would you consider meeting Monday evening? >> Absolutely. Now we have
>> the veterans affairs meeting at meeting >> and I'm going to need >> 6 o00 I have people coming. >> No, that's understandable. >> Mhm. >> And the meeting after the 11th is 25th. >> I don't think >> you do then have all coun well
presumably you would have all counselors at the 25th meeting. I don't I mean I don't know what your concern is about the but as councelor um >> Clancy pointed out I mean there's one less person from the committee certainly at that >> um meeting so you know >> unfortunately we you know we have these
two outstanding question I mean right >> to me getting commission and I mean in all fairness to you I did ask Karen our secretary to ask commissioner Reed last week so I haven't received anything in a week so I mean it's not no fault of yours I understand, but I I just I would feel more comfortable once I get it from him. >> I mean,
>> and and I would feel uncomfortable voting on a zoning change under the suspension of of the rules. >> And I'm I'm not asking for you to do that. >> Okay. >> Now, you can still report it out on the 11th >> and then vote on it. >> Yeah. Then it sits >> on the 25th. 25th.
>> We are having an extra meeting in June, aren't we? Is am I right on that? >> Right now, we have an extra meeting. >> We have an extra meeting in June. So, it does give you an extra sort of time to catch up. But then he has to file for the special permit. >> I've got a special permit that we have to go through. But >> well, we can only do and we can only do a motion to advertise, can't we? We have
to advertise this still. >> You have to advertise. >> I mean, it'll it'll be close. I mean, >> I think the special permit process if if this were to pass. >> All right. I mean, the special permit it's I mean, we've been through it once uh as far as the council is concerned.
Uh, I think I could have a >> I think that suggested, you know, findings and everything started, you know, right away. So that I mean, we're not recreating a uh >> Exactly. We have been, >> right? We've been through that process a little quicker than normal. So,
>> if I can just make one suggest No, >> we could still meet next Tuesday. Sure. >> Well, with this issue, get it done. Report it out on the 11th, but we could do and I mean, I just slow this out. It's just a suspension on the motion to advertise. I would not have a problem on the suspension for the motion to
>> because that gets you because we have to advertise anyway. So, you know, it's going to take time anyway. It's not going to >> It takes how many days to get it in the paper? >> Like 10 or something like that? >> It's like 10 days. And there's what 14 days in between. >> So, that way it gets you on the process on the 11th. So, by the 25th, >> I don't know if you have to advertise
after it's passed or if you can advertise before it's passed. >> We'll check. >> Yeah. M has you know I'll have to find out what the turnaround time is on the on the advertising with this city clerk. >> We could even even if it were to pass on
the 11th um >> we could probably start our special permit process then >> we need to advertise if you pass it >> purpose of it periods haven't come out we can at least get that started. Yeah, just file the documentation for it.
>> Just logically, I would think that you need to advertise before it's approved. That's the purpose of advertising. >> I would think no, it's it's for the purposes of appeal, I think. >> Yeah. >> Oh, so they don't care whether >> that's a good point, too. Yeah. >> I think I think it's it's advertised
after it's passed. >> Is that the running of the appeals time from the time it's advertised? Is the running is the does the appeals period run from the time it's passed or from the time it's advertised? uh advertised. >> From the time it's advertised. >> Yes.
>> Okay. >> But that doesn't mean you can't start other processes in the meantime. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> I think the long and the short of is we'll we'll try to expedite as quickly as possible, but I think I think we're gonna I think we're just going to have
to meet on Tuesday and deal with it. >> That's obvious. There's absolutely no question. It's >> just a Mhm. >> Okay. If Mr. Clancy weren't so sickly, it would be it would be >> Yeah, I know it. >> We'll give him >> He's doing a good job tonight. He's He's
You wouldn't want me last Tuesday. >> No, I don't. >> No. >> Um, so I guess Do we have anything else? >> Okay. This This is the only thing on the motion to table. >> Okay. Motion made and seconded to table. All in favor? >> Motion is tabled and we'll meet again
next Tuesday evening at 7:00. >> Great. All right. Thank you very much. >> Motion to adjourn. Second >> favored.