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Good evening. I will call to order the Finance Committee meeting on June 15th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. Uh we have two items on the agenda this evening. Uh we have created a creation of the Lizotte Drive Stabilization

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Account and transfer request. Uh we also have a proposed non-union salary ordinance for four positions. Um I'll begin with um order number 26-19765. Uh creation of the Lizotte Drive Stabilization Account and a transfer

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request in the amount of $200,000. Um I'll begin by reading the letter submitted by the mayor. Uh dear Council President Ossing and councilors, enclosed for your review and approval uh three transfer requests and an order establishing the creation of

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Lizotte Drive Stabilization Account. Uh the first transfer request is in the amount of $50,000 from free cash to be moved into the fire station stabilization fund. Uh the second and third transfer requests are in the amount of $50,000

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and $100,000 from free cash to be moved into an established uh Lizotte Drive Stabilization Account. Uh these requests are in response to the monies which were given to the city as part of the conditions relating to special permit number 25-19483E. Please do not hesitate

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to contact me or my office with any questions. Sincerely, J. Christian Dumas, Mayor. And um Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for sending that down. I also want to thank Urban. I know Council Picillo, Council Ossing was part of that getting that mitigation uh as

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well. So, that was really nice to have that into the uh in front of the council to make that decision. Um I'll open that up to the finance team for any questions or comments. >> Mr. Chair. >> Councilor Picillo. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um no questions.

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Uh appreciated the conversation we had in Urban Affairs to secure this funding. Um and so I'm going to take these up in a a handful of votes here. >> Yes. Yes, Councilor. >> Okay. So, I'll start to move to approve the $50,000 transfer from free cash to the fire station stabilization fund. >> Very good. Motion's been made and second

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it to approve the $50,000 transfer request into the fire station stabilization account. Any further questions? Seeing none, all in favor? 1 2 3 4 5. That carries. Next, I'll be looking to entertain a motion to for the creation of the

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Lizotte Councilor Ficillo. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um move to approve the creation of the Lizotte Drive stabilization account. >> Motion's been made and I will second that to approve the creation of the Lizotte Drive stabilization account. Any further questions? Seeing none, all

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in favor? 1 2 3 4 5. That carries. And then we have one more uh um to entertain a motion for the other $150,000. >> Mr. Chair. >> Councilor Ficillo. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Move to approve the $50,000 and $100,000 transfer from free cash uh to the newly established

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Lizotte Drive stabilization account. >> Motion's been made and I will second that to approve the transfer request in the amount of $150,000 and $50,000 uh into the new newly created Lizotte Drive stabilization account. Any further discussion?

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Seeing none, all in favor? 1 2 3 4 5. That carries. Thank you, Councilor. Moving on to the next item on the agenda uh is order number 26-109765. Um I'm sorry. What 109697D. Uh is attached salary ordinance for the following positions.

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City Collector, Assistant Finance Director, City Collector, Recreation Director starting at step four, and assistant recreation director. And I'll just briefly read the uh the brief uh letter from the mayor. Uh Dan Council

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President Osing and Council per your request at the Finance Committee meeting on Monday, June 1st, attached please find an updated annualized seven-step salary ordinance for non-union employees. Sincerely, J. Christian Dumas, Mayor. Um and again, thank you, Mr. Mayor, for sending that down to us

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in a quick manner. That was very nice. Um I also want to reiterate that these are this discussion will only be for these four positions, um which I know in the last meeting that we had, we we obviously all supported um the recreation director and assistant

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director, and we wanted to get that through. Uh with that said, I will open it up for any comments. >> Motion to approve for discussion. >> Okay. The In the motion, what does that mean? >> Two. To approve these four, if I may, Mr.

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Chair, through you to the Councilor Osing. Cuz I knew that's why I made the motion for discussion. And I will be glad to discuss it. >> Okay. So, so what we we what we would be looking for >> Point of order. >> You go ahead, Mr. President.

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>> So, this is before us for discussion right now. You either make a motion to do something. You don't make a motion to discuss. The item is before the the Finance Committee to discuss. Once you're done discussing, then you make a motion to do something. >> You can do it either way, Mr.

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Councilor. I've seen it done both ways. I don't see where the big problem is there. I've seen motions for discussion. I've seen motions after discussion. It doesn't matter. If you want to prove to me it's different in Robert's Rules, feel free to do it, but I've been around a long time, and I've seen it done both

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ways. So, back to you, Mr. Chair. >> Is that your motion for discussion? >> Yes. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Motion is made and seconded to approve for discussion. Any further Any further discussion? Council for Joe. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to be

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clear. We're So So there's a motion There's a motion to have discussion on this item. It is not a motion to approve what's in front of us, correct? >> That That That is That is >> Mr. Chair, my motion was to approve and for discussion. If I didn't say to approve, I apologize. >> Okay. All right. I I I apologize.

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>> And And And again, it's a motion. It's not saying It's just giving indication I would like to have discussion. >> [clears throat] >> just give you just a little bit of where I'm coming from, too, cuz we did have a lengthy discussion on these positions. What we would first have to do if we decided on this is we'd have to refer it

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to the city solicitor, put in legal form. >> Put in legal form. >> Then down the road, we'd have to vote on it as a council, and then we still would have to advertise it. So, I don't know if we if we want to take that time of doing that when we can have a an open discussion with it

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quickly, and we can just have an open dialogue on this, and then can make a motion to at that point uh send it to legal if that's what we approve on. >> And advertise. >> And Oh, and then when we advertise, it would be at a later time. >> Yep. >> Mr. President.

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>> Point of information. So, again, you need to discuss the item before you can make Well, you don't have to, but to make a motion to approve something, you don't know what you just said you're approving. So, I disagree with the concept. Discuss what's in front of the city council of the finance committee right now. The four salary Do you agree

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with the starting rate? Do you agree with the seven-step process? Do you agree with the start time or the effective date of the ordinance? Go look at it. If everybody's good with it, then your motion would be appropriate. But no one's looked at anything yet. So, how can you make a motion to say we're good to go? I just

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I It doesn't compute from what what I've learned on my years on the council. >> Councilor Joe. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I I do echo the sentiment here from President Osing. I I I would much prefer that we have a conversation about this and then

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eventually move to send these to the solicitor to have them put in proper legal form so they can come back to the council so we can take a look. I mean, I'm um you know, I know we have a hearty discussion ahead of us about these four positions and so um you know, I'd be happy to kind of get into that. But I I don't think I'd

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be in favor of moving to to approve anything yet um before we have that conversation. >> Thank you, Councilor Joe. So, the motion has been seconded. I will take a vote. Uh motion is made uh seconded by Councilor Vidal. All in favor to to have a discussion. >> No problem. We can vote on that, but I

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don't think >> One, two, that does that to have a discussion >> That that that That that that >> We're not approved. It's just for discussion. Motion to approve and discuss. And then at the end, I would ask that the final vote be taken, you know. I

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don't disagree. I don't want to jump to the approval, but I want to see discussion. >> was the motion and I'll take the vote again. All in favor to have the motion to for discussion and to approve. All in favor? One. That does not count.

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>> Well, I guess we'll start another step. Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> That's that's fine. Um so so so yes, so for the finance team um as President Osing has mentioned that in our notes here, there is all the individual steps for each one of the

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city collector city collector, recreation director, assistant recreation director. I also want to point out if you read it, if we do approve this, this would be for 40 hours per week and the effective date of the salary ordinance shall be August 1st, 2026.

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This ordinance shall supersede and replace any existing rate for said positions if applicable and in their current salary schedule. So at President Osing. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So Councils, what I did was the mayor sent

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down in his June 4th, he did what the finance committee asked, which is seven step for all 30 positions. All right. In his March letter, the priority is for four positions, the collector, collector assistant finance director,

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assistant recreation director, and the recreation director. Those were the four priorities. So what what I did was I extracted what was on here to the last page of the agenda finance agenda, just a one-page draft salary ones. This is Mike Osing salary ones.

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It's not solicitor approved, not anything. But this is what I would recommend if the council agrees with the steps and the four positions, if this gets referred to the city solicitor, and I'm sure he can turn it around to have on our

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Monday agenda if the mayor thinks is of high enough priority because it has to come back to us in order to advertise. And then if we advertise, then we can vote. So we'd be able to vote on a July 22nd-ish meeting.

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All right. So if the council agrees that they like the four positions, they like the four steps, 40 hours per week effective date 8-1, this is what you'd be voting on. Which then you can make that motion, Council Orman, I'd be tickled pink with that one. To approve this, to send it to the

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solicitor to put in proper format for us to advertise and then vote because we can't approve anything right now. Nothing's been advertised. All right. But you got to figure out what is it that you want to do. And the mayor has asked for four positions. These are the four. I did the homework.

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Otherwise, you're going to try to find them on the seven-step of June 4th memo or letter on the council and you'll be trying to extract them and you'll struggle like I did, which is why I came up with a one-page easy one that says these are the four spots. >> Yep.

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Thank you, Mr. President. >> You're welcome. >> Any further discussion? >> Mr. Chair, um so we have attached to the Finance Committee meeting I believe what Council Ossing just mentioned that first page.

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>> That That's correct, Ossing. >> That is Okay, I didn't know that was authored by Council Ossing, so um with that noted, we also have we received um the deltas on a 15-step versus seven-step. I don't know if everyone

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received that from the mayor, but >> Yes. Yes. >> I do have that. I had it open a minute ago, but I was looking for something. And um I think as we progress, I know we're only discussing four positions and I don't want to in any way

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hinder the opportunity to have an attractive salary schedule. As noted before, my main concern is that we look at our employees and treat them the way you would expect to treat an

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employee working for a city this size. >> Couldn't agree. >> said, I know we don't need to debate that and but we debated it enough at the last meeting. Uh I do still prefer the 15-step. I think that gives an employee some future

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view of where they're going and it holds employees in my view, but I will again agree to the seven-step at this time and hopefully we'll have further discussion down the road as it relates to the budget and the 15-step and how that relates to

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the retention of employees. >> And and and and and again, um as Council Vecchio had mentioned at the Finance Committee uh a couple weeks ago, uh we supported these positions and who knows if it came to the full council

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with the other 15 steps, it may have not carried. >> Or could have carried. You don't know. >> So, so, this is a good way to at least get these four positions. Council Vital. >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to make the motion to send this last page along with the

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the notes at the bottom of the four the 40 hours per week and starting on August 1st, send this to the send this to the solicitor for proper proper format and to advertise. >> I don't think we want to do we want to advertise just yet? Probably not. Yeah.

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>> Mr. Chair, so you can't advertise yet cuz it's got to come back in proper format. Make the motion to send it to the solicitor to put it in proper format. >> Thank you. Thank you. Motion Motion's been made and I will second that for order number 26-19697D to refer to the city solicitor to put in

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legal form. Any further discussion? Okay, Council Ruby. >> Thank you. Sorry, I got here late. I had my times mixed up. Um, on the agenda for the order, it has that the recreation director starts at step four. There's nothing on the order that indicates

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that. Should that be there? >> I think the others are just not >> So >> I thought it was Council >> Mr. President. >> So so we can put it on there if you want, Council Ruby. Otherwise, I thought when it came back, we would just add that and say we want the rec recreation director to start at step four. But if

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you want that doesn't have to be a a salary ordinance. That's just like any time the mayor wants to come down and adjust the starting step, we just agree to say we approve this and we're going to start it cuz the comptroller may come back and say, "Hey, the new finance dude, we need him

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to start at step something greater than one." And that's not a salary ordinance change, that's just a acknowledgement by the council that we say, "Okay, we're going to pay additional funds to start whatever the individual is at." >> All right. Cuz on the order that has all

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of the positions listed in it, it does have a chart listing where people start. >> Yep. >> And it's part of the order. So, and I've seen past orders where it's specified if we're listing existing people, but we're bumping them

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up. So, I just don't don't I If the plan is to really have the recreation director start at step four, um I suppose it it'll have to be a budget adjustment anyway, so I don't know if

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that would impact it, but >> That's a good point, Councilwoman. >> So, motion's been made and seconded to refer this to the city solicitor. Any further discussion? All in favor? 1 2 3 4 5. That carries.

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I will entertain a motion to adjourn. >> Mr. Chair. >> Councilor Picillo. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Move to adjourn. >> Motion's been made and seconded to adjourn. All in favor? 1 2 3 4 5. We adjourned at 6:46 p.m.

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Thank you, Council.