--------- I don't think your mic was working. Test. Yeah, that works. It'd be helpful if I talked into the mic. Um, I don't think it was on. So the question is as relates to this ranking topic that Mike now has up on the screen, this M1
uh there is uh let's say we've been working apples and oranges as relates to a few elements of that. So does the committee would you like to talk about that now or when we do the final ranking? Because I'm looking at my ranking.
Do it now. Okay. presentation. So then Mike, let's go through that what we just went through a minute ago with council. Okay. Um and this relates to the management
considerations ranking. Uh I think we'll find that probably each of us may have been doing it a different way or at least I know I have. So let's take it from the top. Mike, so we had to we developed this manual, right? Uh to be your guide. like you
want to speak in their mind. Yep. We we did this manual to be your guide and uh to help you in how you evaluate the properties and I can't say you know that it was a perfect effort but it was
just some way to try and uh create uh a system for you to use. So the item number five management considerations was strictly based more on the habitats and the ease of restoring and
management. It doesn't make any mention of who is going to be involved whether if it's a conservation easement and it's up to somebody else to restore it. It's more just based on how easy it would be to manage and restore the property. And
based on that, so let's say you have and um let's let's say we're looking at Bull Hammock today, cuz we're we're not, right? That's a 5,000 acre property. Uh it's surrounded by other conservation areas. Uh that would actually get the
highest scores based on our criteria. And the lowest score would be a property that is too small and/or degraded maintenance or reestablishment of natural normal ecosystem processes highly vulnerable to external impacts.
So bas Mike if I may interject just for a sec. So if it's close to a property that's currently being maintained it would be easier to manage. Is that correct? Correct. And it also it has to do like edge effects. So if you um if you have a
private ranch next to this conservation piece then and and they're not managing it then you could have more invasive species or prescribed fire would be more difficult because you have might have smoke sensitive areas. So managing
properties adjacent larger properties adjacent to other conservation areas is easier to do from a management perspective than smaller and or isolated parcels. So would that be rated as a one or a 100? It would be rated all ratings are from
one to 100. I I forgot to mention that on your ranking form you're scoring everything from one to 100. Not 1 to 10, 1 to 100. Well, let's go back to the property that's next to a property that's currently being maintained and therefore would be easy to manage. Would
that be a one or would that be a 100? It would be closer to 100. Okay. Okay. I Any questions on that? I go ahead. Go. I'm sorry. You want me to go? So,
if if you're if it's a small lot next to uh privately owned lots, that would be a one. Correct. Okay. And where do you break down between mediumsiz and large properties? I mean, that's up to your discretion, but I would think, you know, we're
looking at properties that could be thousands of acres. We're looking at properties that are hundreds of acres, and we're looking at one property that's one acre. So, you know, but just to clarify for Dan that and for
all of us, the rating scale is in all of these categories with the exception of number seven. We rank it from one to 100. I thought it was 1 to 10. Yeah. Yeah. No, I Yeah, we could add a zero after the number.
Yeah. I was going to say that. Is that helpful? I mean for that we're I'm persuaded if a property is going to be managed by the uh South Florida Water Management District or the
Wildlife Commissioner or whatever. That's a that is a plus in terms of management consideration for the county. So the county doesn't have to spend money to do that. That's a lower score. That that's higher score. Higher score. Higher score. So that
would be a higher score if the state or somebody's going to manage it. And that's not on your list this way, but that's the way I voted. That's the way I did, too. That I agree. I mean, for us as a board, how can we not consider Martin County
taxpayer dollars? I I mean I understand how you wrote the criteria, but we I have a hard time not factoring in the use of Martin County residents taxpayer dollars for management. Well, and there's certainly, you know,
um there it it would be hard to get these things perfect. Yeah. So, it's just meant to be a guide to help you in evaluating these properties. So, so yeah, there going to be things that are missed in terms of things that could be
considered and we can certainly at some point go back and update the manual too uh reflective of things like this. Yeah, if if another if if other funding sources are used to manage the property,
I would say that's certainly a plus, whether it's privately owned, you know, in an easement or the district or Yeah. some other source. I don't think the committee or or even the county knows when they negotiate well until after
they negotiate the deals whether or not like if if the district is a a partner whether or not the county is going to manage it or the district is going to manage it, you know. And I know I know from what I've seen uh with my service at the district, there are a lot of
times where we just say, "Okay, county, you you manage this property or or we turn it over to Fish and Wildlife Service or the Park Service or depending upon where it is." I do want to note that in every one of the FNI reports, there's an edge effect.
Yes. Um ratio that's provided, which may help guide us, maybe not. I don't I had a little trouble figuring it out. I did, too. So, here's a question. We're not going to be ranking the estimated cost per acre. Should we not also be
uh doing management considerations? I mean, is it material that we I think I think that's pretty m pretty material, Jim. Okay. I think we should rank it. Okay. I think we're wrong, we're wrong, and Okay, Mr. Chair, so stay the course.
I think it's consistency that matters. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, just to summarize, if I've got this right, Mike, if it's adjacent or near a larger property that's being currently managed, then it would be a higher ranking. Mhm. If it's not adjacent to a current
property or uh may be problematic in terms of maintenance, it'd be a lower ranking. Yeah. And or if it's a small if it might be a little bit smaller, but it's adjacent to a bunch of conservation areas, then that would be a little higher, too. It might not be as as high
as a large property with contiguous to other natural areas, but it would it would certainly bump it up if it's adjacent to other conservation lands, even if it's not, you know, even if it's like a 10 20 acre parcel. Got it. Thank you, Mike, for explaining that. I I have a qu another question
regarding um the factor number one the relation to SER um if they're not within SER but they're in an IR IRL or um one of the other
categories we still rank them I think I answered my own question when I read it out loud relation to SER yeah I I've been doing if it's insurer in the footprint. I've been giving it somewhere between an 85 and 100 depending on how close to the edge it is
or that sort of thing or 75 to 100 because I've been using 0 to 25 to oh that's a good idea 50 etc. Um but if it's if if it's adjacent like SER adjacent um it gets a higher score than if it's not even
anywhere near a SER project. Thank you for that. That helps Beth. Dan any questions on that or are you No, I'm good. I think I'm good. But yeah, but it's Yeah, because I was confused. So, I think it's helpful to errank the ones we did a couple months ago.
It's not. Yeah. All right, let's see. Okay, Michael, you're on. I got to get back into my presentation, so you have to give me I'll take this time if I can uh to answer the prior question that was posed
regarding the property taxes. And so uh I just researched it during our break and uh yes there is a tax break is the short answer. How much of a tax break? Uh it depends on the uh conservation
easement. If it's not in perpetuity, i.e. not forever then it's a 50% reduction in taxable value. If it is in perpetuity it is an exemption from property taxes from from the egg. Yeah. Well, it's it's not they're not paying taxes on that. Yeah.
If it's and all we're and everything we're discussing is in perpetuity. Yes. So, it is effectively being removed from the tax. So, anything that moves forward whether it's a conservation easement or
a fee simple acquisition by this board is is removing it from the tax role. Yes, it appears so. And that was a state state statute statute that that was fairly how what was the date with that?
I don't know what date it was enacted, but it's 193501 and 19626. Okay. I'm pretty sure that was a it was a constitutional amendment too. It's like on the state uh you know one of their state referendum
that made that you know that the people voted for that. Okay, now these now these were always likely highly likely these were properties that had were agg to begin with and then had an exemption put on them which reduced
them. So they're already pretty depreciated in terms of the tax. Yes. So anyway, I just wanted to bring that to your attention. Thank you. All right. So our next property that we are putting forward for your consideration actually series of properties is known as Pointiana
Gardens. uh mini Palmar basically. Uh so it's 225 acres and it's a mix of government but primarily privately owned lots. Uh includes uh pine flatwoods, depression marshes and a large slooh
system. Uh it also would help to buffer Atlantic Ridge. This is called the metalist parcel of Atlantic Ridge. U is right along its western side. Uh it falls within the lockooi acquisition area. You can kind maybe
kind of make out the little bit of green on there. So it's in this top corner of the area right here. It is within the Florida Wildlife Quarter. Same designations. And this is where it is within the quarter. So it would be right on the edge, the
northeastern edge of the Florida Wildlife Quarter for this area. These would be fe simple acquisitions but given its nature finding funding partners would be uh limited.
What do you what do you mean? Why why so? Because it's uh because of one the uh peacemail nature of the parcels. So, it's a smaller lots and it doesn't have an obvious uh
thing that we could apply for funding for. The quality of the habitat tends to be mixed. There are some areas that and these actually were pictures taken from those properties. though. Uh so some of the areas look pretty good, you know,
have some nice big open marsh habitat or pine flatwoods, but then there are other areas like the area on the left that has dense exotic infestations and off-road vehicles are a major major issue in this area with several portions being pretty
degraded by the use of off-road vehicles. In terms of management considerations, you have to look at the parcel size or sizes are pretty small. It is has some adjacency to governmentowned prop property on the west side with Atlantic
Ridge and I think we own the county owns maybe 35 acres of land within that area. Uh you also have exotic vegetation is prevalent in sections and it would be difficult to complete management responsibilities due to the small lot
sizes. terms of rare enlisted species. Um, this is kind of a little bit dubious. There's a little bit of scrubby flatwoods habitat on the east side. So, it lists some species we didn't find in other
areas including perforated reindeer liken large flower rosemary, knotting pinwood, and Florida scrub lizard. So, those are your dry pine forest scrub habitats tend to have all those species. and the others being sandill cranes and
wood storks. And you can see uh the scrubby flatwoods is this uh this area right here. So it's you know I I I don't have the acorage in front of me, but uh oh it's probably
matches up with this 26 acres that you see for the reindeer like and and a scrub lizard. though. Uh, so about 10% of it's going to be that rare habitat. In terms of recreational opportunity, it would be difficult unless the county is able to acquire most if not all the
lots, but if we did, there would be some pretty decent recreational opportunities that you can route in from the surrounding areas. The development potential, theoretically, each lot could be developed, and that's at about five houses per acre. And I kind of did a
rough count and based on the number of lots, there could be roughly 800 residences on these properties. There are challenges due to a lack of roads and need to mitigate from wetland impacts. And I'll I'll scroll back up and show. So, so those are all the lots.
So, each of those could be a house and these other areas could be roads. So, it has actually been subdivided. Uh, it's just hasn't been developed. And you can kind of see the development pattern like this is what you would expect from this area is the is what the development
pattern is to its east. Mike, I have a question. Yeah. These were platted, correct? Mhm. Back in the 30s or even before, maybe after. So 50s and 60s, I think. 50s and 60s. Yeah. And how come they haven't been
developed? Probably because of how wet they are. And um so they could be developed but they still have all the limitations because of the habitat. Correct. And what are they what is the zoning?
Uh up to five houses per acre I believe. So I don't remember what that actual designation is. Um what's that? That's what on the screen it says five. Yeah. But I don't remember what the actual like zoning, you know, R5 or
whatever. What's that? That be R3 or R4? One of those. Yeah. And I looked at it and I just don't remember what it was. If you really want to know, I could pull up a map that shows fine. So,
uh, so any rate, uh, any public comment or committee discussion? Charles, was this the one you wanted to talk about? I might wait until Okay. Public comment.
Dan or Vicki? I'm I'm good. I I remember when they developed this, it was it was the developer was Mr. I think his name was Mr. land at the time and uh and they and I think we had a recession and that's what what
stopped the uh because did did this come before the commission something about this like a decade ago? I don't I don't remember. You don't remember? Okay. I can remember 50 60 years ago but I can't remember last year. Well, what can I say?
I know there have been there have been some interests that have been trying to acquire lots on a larger scale and then potentially turn it into a development of some kind. Oh, for that one Vicky or John Keller,
help me on the location. Is this is this sort of part of Locky and is it also uh part of connecting Atlantic Ridge to Jonathan Dickens? Well, uh, so here is our Lockal Lucy map and so the parcels
are right up here and then this is the area of trying to connect Jonathan Dickinson to Atlantic Ridge. So it wouldn't directly make the connection down between the two because if it's really these properties are the ones
here that would need to be acquired for that to happen but is it it is within the same system and contributes ecologically to the whole lockooi natural area. Okay that's a that I think that's
important. I didn't quite hear that. I'll try and focus on that how well it can contribute to creating a connection between the the two parks. Yeah, because that's highly material Mike I think. Yeah. So here is Atlantic Ridge State
Park is this area right in green and then this is called the Metalist parcel right here. So actually I was wrong. It connects directly to what is the main portion of Atlantic Ridge State Park here. Here's Cal Patio here and then here is Jonathan Dickinson right here.
So, so the whole, you know, one of the big goals of Oxalooi is to secure this area right in here to have basically one giant super park. But another potential could be if you know this is the Whipworth parcel right here. This is the
Canopus property right here. So, another potential connection could be a western leg going through this area. But on this property, is there a chance that state will participate or take over take it include it attach it to Atlantic Ridge?
I I think it would be difficult to finding a to find a public a a partner because of the small lot sizes. So, if this were like one big polygon and it was all just one property owner, it
would definitely be on radar to acquire and protect. How many property owners are there? Uh, I think it was close to 800. Now, some of those might be the same person, but there's 800
lots. Mike, do you currently do you have access to the current SER Atlantic Ridge component map? Uh, I have the one I pulled up for Witworth
um right there. Okay. Okay. So, it's uh the piece below it is on the edge, but I don't think this piece is within that footprint. Right. Okay. Now, there is a possibility. I I don't think the district would want to participate in something like this, but
I think they've got enough to do with Palmer. Yeah. But well, I was Yeah. And like larger pieces though, if it were one that could be used as a natural lands once land to once again offset impacts elsewhere and could be used in the cost share, they you know we could have a
conversation with them about incorporating it. Eric question. No, not no I'm good. Good. All right, our next up is our Leonard
property. This is our third and final one that we're uh we've been asked to review by the uh rural and family lands program. So, this one is a 229 acre property that is a mixture of pasture
and large cypress sloohs. It is an agricultural easement with active cattle ranching on the property, not contiguous to any public lands. So, I will say that this owner has offered this property for fee simple acquisition, but what they
were asking was I I think it was $30 million for a $250 acre property. So, you know, we wouldn't have any interest at that price in in uh acquiring at V simple. Uh this shows it in the uh lockooi
acquisition zone. It's not in what I had included in lockooi, but it certainly meets the intent of the lockooi acquisition zone, even if it didn't get a polygon. It is adjacent to but not within the
Atlantic Ridge Florida Forever boundary. Now, once again, with Florida Forever, you can amend the boundary. So, we can go to the state and request an amendment to Florida Forever to get it included. uh if we wanted to, but the fact that rural and family lands is interested
means that we wouldn't probably need it to be in Florida forever. Here's the Florida Wildlife Quarter. According to Effnne, roughly 74% of the property is within the Florida Wildlife Quarter.
And once again, this is an agricultural easement acquisition. It's being evaluated by rural and family lands program for funding and they requested a county contribution. So basically, once again, if the state were to come to an agreement with the land owner to acquire
it, we would be spending half the funding. We wouldn't be doing this on our own. We wouldn't be requesting this agricultural easement other than the fact that we have a state partner that's interested in the acquisition. So effectively we'd be spending in theory 25 cents on the dollar.
Correct. In terms of the habitat quality, roughly 41% of the property is improved pasture and wetland habitat makes up the remaining most of the remaining acreage. The natural portions of the site appear to be in good conditions with with
condition with little in the way of hydraologic impacts. So once again, there would be no management responsibilities for Martin County and the easement. We could look to include requirements for maintaining exotic vegetation and to protect natural
communities on the property. But that's once again, if you incorporate those things, then you're looking at what be a little more than a quarter on the dollar, you know, for ecological services. Uh in terms of listed species, you have sand hill cranes and woodstos.
Personally, I could see, you know, with all these kind of ranchlands, you know, you having some carara in the area. Um and there were other species, but they're more more associated with scrubby flatwoods, and I don't see those on the property, so I didn't include
them. And it roughly 20% of the property is is what we consider to be rare habitat which is a strand and dome swamp. There would not be a public access component to this project. Uh in terms of the development
potential, it has an agricultural land use and zoning designation. Based on that current zoning, there could potentially be 12 residences and there is significant wetlands on the property as you've seen, which would be a hindrance to development. But there are
some substantial areas of unimpacted and upland habitat that would be available for development. But it'd be kind of hard to even get a road in there to get them out. Well, they I mean, you they would be allowed to build a road. like you can't
you can't prevent uh use of the property. So, but they would have to minimize where they put it and avoid wetlands to the maximum extent possible. Yep. Any public Charles? Okay.
hidden back. No. Okay. Dan, I'm good. I'm good. John Keller, uh, this is on on the south side of Bridge Road, correct? So, going back to the original aerial.
Um, so Bridge Road is right up here. Uh, the county owns property right over here, which which is kind of off the aerial. Um, you know, if there's a good map to show it.
I'm sure you'll tell me I'm nuts, but you're nuts. 30 or 40 years from now, I worry that Bridge Road will be six lanes wide and have Arby's on the
right and McDonald's on the left. And anything we can do to put chunks of Bridge Road into a environmental easement is just a wonderful long-term uh thing for the whole community.
Yeah. And on on the previous rural and family lands proposals, you know, those areas were all mostly most of the property was impacted if not all the property was either improved pasture or heavily degraded habitat. This property
actually has good habitat on it and and an owner that wants to protect it. I I think the reason why their asking price for a fee simple was so high is because they want to hold on to the property, but they like the idea of seeing it protected.
So, this is an expensive piece to buy it would be, but I don't know what uh agricultural easement would look like. I I doubt that that the state would use $30 million as its basis for determining
the appraised value to them then pay half or a little bit more than usually they come in a little more than 50%. Um so so I doubt that that they would use 30 million as the baseline to determine what the a easement would cost but it
anything in the bridge road area right now is going to be pretty pricey. and also worth putting into a long-term easement. Yeah, frankly to me. Yeah.
How close is it to I'm sorry if I character of the community. How close is it to JD Park boundary? Uh it's it's a ways. Um so it's right up here. Okay. And JD is right there. if we were ever
and we you know we were interested in trying to bring Kenopus forward which is this property here but we hadn't gotten far enough you know we we haven't even identified who to talk to with Kenopus if Kenopus ever came into play if that were ever acquired or an easement were
acquired then suddenly that makes this property much more relevant because then you have a way into Jonathan Dickinson State Park because it's right here and and it's Not within I mean all of the county east, west and central
flowways are to the east of there, right? Correct. Say Mike something we should put on a future agenda. Some of us have pretty good connections with some of these land owners uh either directly or indirectly.
I'm think of some of the people that supported Martin County forever are extraordinarily wealthy people and well-connected. So, at some point once we've gone through a few properties, we should just see if any of us do have some of the connections where we can
facilitate your dialogue. Well, kudos to Vicky Davis who was like pretty passionate about the Whitworth property to begin with and started that process of tracking down that landowner. So, but let let's for example, when we when we have a quiet period, not like today,
but let's let's just brainstorm that. Let's just put that on the agenda if we could please. And we can talk to individual committee members directly if a committee member were interested in trying to pursue creating a connection to these land owners.
Yeah. Like I did last week. Yes. Uh but let's just if we could just put that on the agenda, it'd be great. Sure. Uh okay. Moving forward. Uh Tom S. David. I mean I I know where this property is.
I don't know the owner. Um I don't know the property. Um but you know, anytime we can partner and have, you know, really save the taxpayers money and also preserve land, I think is a win. Uh and I've definitely heard the concerns from the community about Bridge Road as as we
heard. So I think that's definitely something we should look at. Thank you. Great, Mike. Our next up is uh Julian Rogers, Atlantic Ridge property. Uh so this is an aerial of his property.
This is uh Pointanic Gardens area right here. Uh it's a smaller property. It's three acres uh dominated by wetlands, but it could act as a buffer to Atlantic Ridge State Park. It's primarily disturbed wetlands with a very small
area of scrubby flatwoods on the eastern end. It falls within the Loxaluci acquisition zone. So, this is actually adjacent to what's called the Metalist parcel over here. Uh, it's going to be right up in this top corner right up here.
It's pretty much in the Florida Wildlife Quarter, just within the corner of it, right up in this area. It would be a fee simple acquisitions. Options for funding partners would be limited. However, there's a possibility that the owner would accept less than
appraised value for for it. I can't say that set that in stone, but we've had a lot of conversations with this land owner. In terms of the habitat quality, uh there they at one point were a deeper
wetland open water system and due to hydraologic changes in the region, it's now shifting and becoming more of a shr shrubby swamp and there was a small area cleared along the eastern edge.
Management considerations, it is adjacent to a large tract of publicly held conservation. Oops. I disregard what I said about hungerland wildlife. And uh
and so basically uh it it has a small size, but it could be easily managed because of the small size. Since it's only, you know, a few acres in size, it wouldn't be a huge investment to try and uh
improve the ecology of it. Uh so here are your listed species. Scrub lizards, scranill sandill cranes, potentially scrub jays and that little bit of uh scrubby flatwoods and wood storks. However, given the small size of the
property, the value to rare enlisted species is going to be limited. One of the biggest benefits is that the property could provide access to the Atlantic Ridge Metalist property which is landlocked currently. There is some I don't think that the local residents are
too keen on the idea of providing access through there, but you know, if we could, you could route people into Atlantic Ridge from that area because this area is currently landlocked. There's really no way for the public to get out there and explore and enjoy it.
Currently, it has a county redevelopment area designation, but the wetlands on site would make development difficult. And that's it. Any public comment? Okay,
I'm good. Vicki, I'm good. John Keller. You had a you had a picture of this with a golf course just north of it. Is that the medalist? Yeah. Um it is. It is. Yes. So it's just south of the medalist.
Okay. I I understand where it is. I don't know where the picture not there. Yeah. I should have zoomed out a little bit more on that. Oh, there you go. That was it right back there. Oh.
One more. There you go. Yeah. So, here's the golf course up here. This is the uh MacArthur golf course that's being expanded right here and their existing golf course county can't work some deal with them to
get access to the north side of this. No, nothing. No, nothing. David. Yes. The problem is parking, too. Yeah. So, but that could be developed, right? It's right next to development.
Oh, definitely. I would. But it is wet, so you're going to have, you know, most of the stuff we're bringing for are wetland, so you're going to have to deal with that. But you could certainly uh at least get a house in there. Okay, let's go to the next one, please.
All right. The second one is the uh conservation fund Julian Rogers parcel. It's a 4.5 acre property that could help link Jonathan Dickinson and Atlantic Ridge State Park. The property was acquired by the conservation fund, a
private land trust. I will say it's not shown on here, but this is actually a county-owned property right here. Uh this is the go-kart track and this is an old uh landfill site uh that the county still controls and manages. Uh this also
could be a potential location for uh western flowway to Kitchen Creek. My excuse me it question can you go back to the is it a 4.5 acre piece of property or 15 acre piece
of property? I had two conflicting numbers as I went through. I think it's 15 because I went to the property appraiser site too to confirm. Gotcha. Now, is this Bridge Road? It's Bridge Road. Yeah.
Yeah. I think in this case, um I was I copied and pasted the acreage. I think it's 15. So I apologize. It's 15. It is 15. Yes. Yes. So this shows its location within the Lockal Lucy acquisition zone. You can
see it's right down in this area right here. And you can also see this little orange line. That is a countyowned right away that has been included as a concept for a western flowway to Kitchen Creek.
It is within the Florida Atlantic Ridge Florida forever project boundary which is right here. A important point to make is that since the property is now owned by the conservation fund, any money they get from the sale could be used for
acquiring other conservation lands. So, you know, they in Martin County, that would be up to the conservation fund, but they're certainly actively acquiring properties in Martin County at this point in time. Any money we didn't spend on it would be money we could use to get
That's a fair point. Yeah. uh entire property has been act impacted with weedy species and there's limited habitat value. Although restoration of the property would be labor intensive, we could use it to create a wetland system or a storm
water treatment area type feature to store water to support the goals of regional watershed restoration, aka restoration of Kitchen Creek and the Northwest Fork of the Lockachi River. And I will say that the conservation fund has actively been out there
removing exotic vegetation from the property. Once again, it's all impacted habitats, so you're not going to have any rare habitats. And currently, other than Florida sandal cranes, there's little in the way of listed species.
So, the idea is that you could help create a greenway trail system connecting Atlantic Ridge to Jonathan Dickinson State Park. This would have to be a part of a larger program to acquire other lands before that could happen. In addition, we could build a wetland
lake feature and you could provide public access facilities. So, this is for instance a central flowway of Kitchen Creek, a county preserve area. You know, we have a parking area and the public can walk around, go fishing uh
around the lake. It's actually fairly popular in that area. It has an agricultural land use zoning designation. So theoretically, actually since it's 15 acres, I Yeah, I think you still could just put like one house out there.
And public comment Heisenberg I'd never got a willing seller. Last property. Yeah. Yeah. Heisenberg expressed an interest but never actually provided a willing seller. Did you get my emails with
um Did you just send them? I did. Um good afternoon everyone. My name is Charles Donaldson, the field representative for the conservation fund in Florida. Um, just like to start off by saying thank you all for your time
and consideration on all of these properties. Um, and thank you Mike for all your work putting together these presentations. Um, the conservation fund or TCF has been operating in Florida since 1985. It's completed over 250 projects and has
protected more than 190,000 acres of land and water. We are a founding member and acquisition partner of the Lock Lucy Headarters Initiative. The initiative is a protected ecological corridor connecting sources of the Lockxahhatchee and St. Lucy rivers and forming a
preserve for native plants and wildlife linking a land mass of nearly 70,000 acres. The initiative will provide a vital wildlife corridor, stem urban sprawl, restore degraded wetlands, manage the demand for fresh water, enhance aquafer recharge, and improve
water flows to Lockahhatche and St. Lucy rivers. Acquisition, restoration, and protection of land in this area has never been so important. It is the last section of unprotected land that's also undeveloped
from Fort Pierce to Homestead. Restoring I'll speak specifically about Rogers now. Restoring natural hydraology hydraology will increase historic freshwater flows into Kitchen Creek and the Lockahhatchee River. Um
the Rogers piece is is that partial on the left red represents our acquisitions. The lighter blue arrows are culverts that exist running underneath Bridge Road. They vary in size from 8 to 20 ft in width. Um the
inches could be inches, excuse me. Those are culverts that run underneath Bridge Road. The darker blue arrows are either canals immediately west of the Rogers piece is a drainage ditch or canal. Um, also below the
current Kitchening Creek flow, that canal runs down Kitchen Creek Road into Jonathan Dickinson. The two curved arrows um to the left and right of that are the historic flowways into Kitchen Creek or the eastern portion of Kitchen
Creek rather. Um, the Rogers property, and Mike alluded to this earlier, represents a tremendous opportunity for wetland and flowway restoration, as well as being a part of the broader Florida wildlife corridor connection project.
The existing bridge road culverts abudding the property to the east and west are evidence of the existing directional water flow and infrastructure. We believe that the county is best positioned to manage to manage and restore Rogers long-term into a critical piece of hydraological
infrastructure in the wershed. Comprehensive Everglades restoration plan or SER calls for this kind of implementation and the initiative in properties like Rogers provide an opportunity to restore existing flows under bridge road into the lockahhatche and vice versa north of Bridge Road into
the St. Lucy. They also served as a microcosm of broader state and federal efforts to restore flows to the Everglades. This area represents the northeastern extent of the greater Everglades wershed. Our goal with the initiative is to acquire, protect, and preserve the key tracks of
land with highest conservation value in a timely and efficient manner. These properties would then be moved into the hands of people who can manage them long term and enact larger scale restoration projects. And merit to your question earlier,
some of these properties were acquired through fundraised dollars and as part of that any dollars that were spent on them would remain in the Lux Lucy focus area. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. Well, it does have SER uh benefit.
Yes, because it it says no in the write up. It's the SER project boundary if I'm remembering the GIS layer correctly is only in Atlantic Ridge Preserve State Park. However, it does benefit Indian
River Lagoon. This is speaking more broadly about it. It's not within the SER project boundary, but it would enhance flows into SER projects and benefit the Indian River Lagoon. I would think so. Makes sense.
I would I would qualify it as SER adjacent or moderately SER adjacent. I mean I think it it is very important to try to restore that flow and you have to remember the connectivity between both the Lockahhatche and the St. Lucy River projects. I mean there there's there's a
fine line. Um so I think the the flow is important toward the SER project but it's not directly part of the SER project. And in conversations we've had with SER in the water management district, if it's not within the project boundary but is adjacent or a connecting
parcel, it can be considered. I think I think what one point I'll make is that like one of if one of the characteristics is the SER cost share, we couldn't expect that that the water management district is going to receive
uh cost share credit. Uh so that is a part but not all of the reason why you know SER is prioritized uh on our list. We often use it as an indicator of the ecological value of the property such as
Florida Forever um wildlife quarter connectivity etc. A legal fine line Mike. Any other questions for Charles and John? No, thank you. Thank you all.
Yes. Thank you, Charles. And thank you, Conservation Fund. That point that the money would still be retained in Martin County is highly material. So, thank you. Which brings us to our next property,
uh, which is the Petway property. So the Petway property is a 20 acre property that is within what is considered to be the eastern flowway of Kitchen Creek. It could be used to help restore wetlands in Jonathan Dickinson
State Park and support the restoration of the northwest Fork of the Lockachi River. It falls within the Lockaluci acquisition zone as you can see in this area right here.
It is within the Atlantic Ridge Florida Forever project and the optimum boundary for the state park. So here's your state park here. Here's your property is going to be right over in this area right here. It is a part of the Florida wildlife
quarter segment and is once again within the Florida Ecological Greenway network. This is a fee simple acquisition and we mentioned those funds from the Rogers parcel. We could potentially partner
with the con consery fund and maybe Florida Forever program to help to acquire this property. In terms of the habitat quality, it's relatively impacted. It's you're you have hydric scrub land with depressional
marshes is what came up in the FNA report. Uh the property is fairly overgrown due to a lack of fire. There's some extensive populations of maluca and old world climbing fern and overall the area appears to be in fair to poor
condition. But it is still native habitat given the lack of fire. the successional nature of the habitats and level of invasive plants, there would be some challenges to manage this property.
However, it could be part of a larger restoration project that restores hundreds of acres of swamp land in Jonathan Dickinson. I will say that this is an active county project that we're looking at trying to ex to restore this area uh and create a flowway into
Jonathan Dickinson State Park. In terms of listed species, here is the list right here. Once again, some of these are more associated with uh scrub habitat, which you really don't find on the property,
and there's no rare habitats listed. You could use it to create a greenway connection between the two state parks in terms of recreation opportunities, but it would be dependent on other acquisitions, namely this area right here. But, uh, you can see it could be a
link right here down into Jonathan Dickinson. The development potential is limited due to the extent of wetlands on the property. So, the brown areas are going to be your uplands. There's really only a few acres of upland habitat on the property, but a portion of this property
is zoned for an industrial land use, while the other is rural density, which is up to five per acre. And that is all. What was the acreage on this? 20 acres. 20 acres.
Charles, gentleman back. No, you have to speak in the microphone, please. Apologies. I would add that we own another parcel immediately to the southeast of this. We call it the theme parcel. And that wetland is contiguous.
You can see it there. That's the northeastern portion of that parcel bordering. And that's and then this is Jonathan Dickinson State Park right here. So, this is under conservation fund ownership and management. There's some talk about putting there's a house on
it, right? And there is a residence on the property. Yes. And and there's talk of housing a park service staff member in that house. Park staff has been to the property with us and said they would be interested in having it as housing for the park
and as another access to that portion of JD for management purposes. Yeah, I will say one of the in terms of the eastern flowway project, one of the challenges of completing that is we would need an easement through private
lands for through this section in order to be able to move water through that property. We have had discussions with the owner who is amanable but to a to providing a full easement, but we don't have anything set in stone at this
point. Thank you, Charles. Dan, any comments? I'm good. John, Charles, is the conservation fund willing to spend money uh for something like this, your funds?
Yes. Could you detail that, Charles, a bit? I have been one in short. Yes. Um and we actually have a price in mind. I've spoken with representatives of the owner owners
plural. So you would participate with us. Yes. Or we would acquire it outright. Part of the idea for the partnership was that um this property is tied up in an heirs
dispute and has been for some time to tune 15 to 20 years. There are over 90 heirs in the property and multiple leans and we currently have a group looking into um doing title work for us to to understand if there is clear title for
the property to be sold. in short. Wow. Okay, that's a plus. Yes. Mary. Oh, that that's certainly a plus. Uh, no other comments, but
no comments. David 98. Thank you, Charles. Okay, next property, please. Okay, now we are going to switch to our blue ways. And I will say the next three
proposals are in the same area, the same kind of focus. Uh so perhaps I'll do the first one and then for the second and third if there's anything additional to add, I'll I'll show the location of it. Uh then I will provide that information
so we can streamline and get these three next three done pretty quickly. So the first one is the Jame Wild property which is the one that's highlighted in red. That's a 6.5 acre wetland dominated property along the
south fork of the St. Lucy River. Helps to protect critically important St. Lucy River shoreline and habitats. The area in blue is the burst steam property and the area in yellow is the Cresser property. So, all three of these parcels
have been nominated for acquisition and we have willing sellers. What's the name here? It's Jane. It's got a bunch of different names. Yep. So, it's Jane Wild is one, Burstin the next, which is the area in
blue, and then Cresser the third is in yellow. Do we have something on James Wild? We do. That's the red. We do. What? Here, John. I've got Is it in the same? It's hard to read the legend.
Separate separate odors. I don't have that. Okay. No worries. Just go for this. That's all right. It's all right. Okay. The red.
Interesting. Jim, can I just make a journal whatever on this? Yes. The same story as Borstein. Yep. All three are have similar, you know, they're the same area, same habitats,
uh same type of values. There is some a few differences that I'll go through. Uh my general comment on this is I had trouble ranking this because it's so different. The blue ways is so different than the other. We should almost have
different criteria, you know, or or different type of ranking system to do this because it doesn't fall into the same categories. I I just found it very hard to to give it should get a better score than what I
gave it in effect. So I I maybe it's just me. I struggled to find a good way to represent the value of the blue way. So there's one the criteria 10 was specifically designed to boost those scores, but perhaps it should have been
a bigger part of the it it should have been given a higher weight um to balance things out because we do value our blueway properties and you know typically what you have more rare and unique habitats associated with
them. You're protecting the St. Lucy River, which is obviously a huge priority for, you know, the citizens of Martin County. So, um, and and honestly, once we acquire these
three, there's only a couple more properties we can even look to acquire along the St. Lucy River. Everything's wrapped else is wrapped up as PAMPs or county acquisitions. And that's what this map shows. And it's a little hard to read, but the areas in these green
colors and these beige colors, those are all represent county properties that are currently owned along the St. Lucy River. So, we have several hundreds, even if you include the Hal Patio and Atlantic Ridge, thousands of acres of property and miles of river footprint
that we've already set aside and protected. And these three properties would fall right in the middle of that. And as I said, they're some of the last privately owned, undeveloped lands along the south south St. Lucy River. This just shows that it falls within the
Blueway zone, which is in this area right here. It's a fee simple acquisition. Uh we would seek funding through the Florida Communities Trust Program, which is administered by Florida Forever, but it's a grant program. So, we'd have to actually put in in grant applications to
seek funding to help acquire them, but uh it should score pretty well according to their metrics uh and and other grant agencies that look to protect wetland habitats. In terms of habitat quality, there's little evidence of human alteration. You
are going to get some invasive plant populations, but the properties appear to be in pretty good condition with minimal uh restoration and maintenance needs. Once again, uh it one of the issues with
management is it would be difficult due to having poor landbased access. You probably need to go in by boat to get some to some of these. And but once again the needs other than doing some invasive plant removal there wouldn't be a lot of management needs that would be
necessary. Um, most of these, pretty much all these properties are either a rare type of hammock habitat or mangrove title swamp, which is, even if it's not that rare, is critically important here in Martin
County. And you would likely have manatees associated with the mangrove habitat and some alligators. Yes, 100%. as your neighbor found out. Well, even actually, and it didn't come up in a report, small tooth sawfish, you
know, uh could uh theoretically use these mangrove areas, these shoreline mangroves for habitat. Uh providing recreational amenities would be difficult just because of its all swamp. Uh but we could, you know, and if we find any upland areas on any of these, put in a canoe kayak landing and a
picnic table for paddle users. Once again, uh the development potential is limited due to the mangroves and overall wet nature of the property, but and and development would require mitigation, but it would be possible to build one or two residences. And in
addition, if you build those, you're also not just going to have a house, you're going to have a road to get to the house, which is also impactful to the natural areas. So you can you can get to it by land. You don't have to go have a boat to get to it. You can, but it's I mean, so for
this one, you'd have to come up through this neighborhood and go through this swamp just to get to this swamp. There is some uplands like right in here. And there is some uplands on this property. I I'll go through that. There is probably more developable areas on this because of like the southern half of
this is uplands. And in terms of development potential, I can just go through it here. The owner of this creserve, the owner of this parcel right here has an easement that would allow him to transverse and create a road
through countyowned conservation lands to access this property. Wouldn't be easy. There'd be a lot of mitigation. There'd be mitigation on developing his property, but it is possible that they could build a road through an existing county conservation land.
You have to allow a road. You Yes. It's an easement and boat access is is permitted, but it can't be the primary access to the Yeah, it would be an easement of necessity basically to not landlock, right?
That parcel. So, if you want, we can go through them. I'll just skip through. This is the burst steam parcel. That's the blue one right here. Just interject. Is everybody okay if we jump ahead and go through each one? Um
I just want a a quick question about Florida Trust. Yes. Um they require access to the public access. So would it be more difficult to get them as a partner if we don't I mean
because some of these parcels don't have legal access, right? Um well, you could once again and you're right. Um, and at one point the the county used to overpromise to Florida Community Trust and created a world of
problems in terms of having to put miles of boardwalks into preserves. But you could put a simple little boardwalking, you could put a kayak launch, you could put a dock like we could probably figure out some kind of access feature to get the points we needed to get.
It doesn't have to be access from land. It can be access from water. Correct. It can be any number of things. Just wanted to be clear on that. And but bursting, this one you could actually provide access through land. Um, and just from this neighborhood,
there's a little uplands area here. You know, you could maybe put a little picnic shelter or something like that. But that would all be basically, you know, we get it as an approved project and then we go to FCT seeking funding. So, so we can figure that out later.
Mike, before I jump, let's be sure of public comment on any on that recent property. Charles, gentlemen. Okay, go ahead. Okay, so bursting, it's this blue one right here. Um, once again, series of county owned conservation areas. Um, all
these details are the same. Uh, this shows the habitat map for the property. So once again, maritime hammock and mangrove habitat. You could potentially put access from the nearby neighborhood and add a canoe
kayak launch and a picnic table for paddle users. This shows the development potential. You can see there are actually uplands in this area and the current land use and zoning would allow up to two houses per acre. So, you would probably in this
situation, they wouldn't be able to develop the wetlands, but they could put in, you know, a few houses in this area of the property in this uh southeast corner. And then finally, there's Creser.
Yeah. Any public comment on that one? Okay, go ahead. Yep. Here's the Cresser property. This is the yellow one. It is directly adjacent to the county managed Oxbow Preserve and the owner has an easement
of necessity and so he theoretically could build a road and use it to access this area here. But it is entirely wetland. So building on that property would be a challenge, but he would by necessity be allowed to put something
out here, some kind of house, some kind of establishment. Um, just going through it's pretty much the same thing. For this one, it would be even more difficult to provide recreational activities, amenities because of how
it's just entirely swamp. Getting there would be a challenge. And once again, overall wet nature would be difficult to uh build on, but they could potentially build one to two residences.
And this there's actually a parcel split in here. So, they would probably be able to put a house on each parcel or a dock. And that's all for that property. For the three,
I have a few comments. Can you go back to one of just the maps on that one? Yes. So, I'm fairly familiar with these properties. They're just down the street
from down the river where I grew up. I took governing board members of the district and Army Corps members around here. Um, I actually rank them all quite high because I look at them all as a whole
and connecting them as part, you know, filling in the gaps as part of a greenway corridor. These oxbows hold a lot of rare species that are endemic really to the north and south fork of the St. Lucy River or Lockxahhatchee.
um sword swordspine snook, mahara, opasum pipe fish, big mouth sleeper. Uh some of those I know the county examined as trying to get um listed as endangered species specifically to help stop discharges from Lake Okchobee and this
is the water quality they're found to live in this habitat. um you know, recreational opportunities. There are some dry patches where it wouldn't be much, but just like a picnic table or a kayak pull out rest stop. You could even
put a potential small campite, you know, on some of these. Um so I I rank these as fairly high when I look at it as a whole and zooming out along what the county already owns along the St. St.
Lucy River. Um, you know, this is that natural area of the South Fork. Um, that actually makes the St. Lucy separate and biodiverse from a lot of other areas in Florida. Um, you know,
when you're looking at these oxbows, it'll go from five, six feet in the straight area and jump down to 15 feet and then another 10 ft beyond that, it'll come back up to that 5T. And that depth change in each one of those,
you know, U-shaped curves, um, provides really rare habitat that you don't find a lot of other places. So, yeah. Yeah. And that's Yeah, that's an interesting point. The South Fork of the This is the South Fork of the St. Lucy. This is the St. Lucy
Canal. Yes, that's this this is like right at the defining factor. So, actually I specifically would take the Army Corps here and that upper left corner of your screen is is
St. Lucy canal man altered and the right side where it's you have those 180°ree turns is the natural condition of how the South Fork would flow right and in it we would drive up and down
looking at the depth sounder on the boat and you would literally see it sometimes jump to 20 feet down and then come back up in the straight aways at that normal five sixt area. So, there's a there's a lot of potential for just
kaying and stuff like that, canoeing, but also um protecting those that rare habitat that's there. Yeah. I I think too, just after going through all this, if I were to submit for FCT
funding and we acquired all three of these, I would submit for them together as one uh grant application. Yes. And then that would mean that across the three of them, we'd have to put public access facilities somewhere. So it would alleviate the burden of
having to do public access for each. Looking at them as a whole and you know the the blue outlined area, there is some higher land where you could put a kayak pull off, a picnic table, part of Martin County,
you know, even a, you know, backcountry campsite or something. Thank you, Merritt. Dan, any comments? Vicki, John. Um, these these islands,
mangrove areas help clean up the water that go into the St. Lucy. That's a valuable uh aspect of these pieces to me. So, they're important. Habitat for the
fish. Habitat for fish. Yep. Very helpful. Yep. And these properties are not going to break the bank, you know. So, um although reasonable. Yeah. Although the one of the properties that I mentioned where there was an
unreasonable price is the property right to the north of those. Um actually, I'm on the wrong one. Um, but Mike, we're not looking at that now,
right? Correct. Okay. So, we're just talking about these three properties. Yeah. Okay. Tom, Kim, Beth, no, I'm good. David. Okay. Well, we are on to our last one.
Maybe theoretically. So, our last uh project that we were putting forward is Perry Beach Edition. It's also called uh Goose 220, I guess. Uh so, this is a small
1acre parcel that includes beach habitat and mangroves with the property extending all the way across Hutchinson Island from the Atlantic Ocean to the Indian River Lagoon. And it is directly adjacent to the county managed Clifton
S. Perry Beach. And then this is the House of Refuge property to its south. It's currently being listed for sale by a realtor. Also, it falls within the Blueways acquisition
zone. As you can see right here, it is a fee simple acquisition. And this is another one where we would seek funding through the Florida Communities Trust program. They actually Florida Communities Trucks actually funded the acquisition of the rest of of Perry
Beach. Say that again. Seek funding through the Florida Communities Trust Program. Who funded the acquisition of Perry Beach, which is right here. For what percentage of it?
They provided 50% of the cost to acquire those properties. Now, Mike, if if this was acquired and you already have public access to Perry Beach, could you just link the properties together? I mean, would that
Are you familiar? Sidewalk maybe or um you know, Dune Crossover? It's hard because it you know the you have a little bit of uplands right here and then here you know this whole area is
within the co coastal construction zone. So, your ability to build any facilities would be pretty limited there, but you could put something like a dune crossover, maybe a sidewalk connection, something of that nature.
How many acres currently comprise Cliff Perry Beach? Uh, 18. So you do have a road bisecting the property which is going to affect your uh habitat value, habitat quality, but otherwise the area is pretty intact
without evidence of large pockets of exotic vegetation and it appears to be in good condition. Yeah, especially from the ICW. Yeah, you would have minimal cost for a property this size and with how much of its
mangroves in order to to treat and maintain exotic vegetation, especially considering that there are no large scale infant stations of exotic vegetation on the property. Terms of your rares and listed species, you're going to have all your sea turtles here.
Uh so your loggerheads, greens, and leatherbacks all would nest in this area. Uh in addition the mangro side you could have Florida manatees and woods stors and then some of those other species you know in terms of uh small to
sawfish or other listed species could be associated with the mangro habitat and it's all rare habitat including coastal strand which is u coastal strand is only found on barrier islands. Uh
it's probably one of the uh most impacted habitats that we have in the state because you can't impact mangroves. So the area that and you can't put your house in the dunes. So the place where we put the houses is in the coastal strand. And just to give you an idea of that habitat, it's it's a
palmetto dominated habitat with a lot of diversity of different species. Uh and it tends to not have much tree cover. Tends to stay 6 to 8t tall. Uh in terms of the vegetation, this is an example of coastal strand here on the
left. Once again, Upland's area is too small to provide parking, but we could try and figure out some type of access facilities, a dune crossover, a sidewalk connection or something else. But Mike, you already have the the Perry
Beach, right? So it's adjacent to that. So yeah, you have a parking lot. Yeah. So you're already set. Well, if we went to Florida Community's Trust for funding, which we don't have to do, we would have to put some kind of access facilities. Oh, I see. Okay, got it. So, I think you it wouldn't qualify just
to walk down the beach. I mean, I think it's adjacent part of it's adjacent to public lands already. Yeah, it's it's just a limitation of the Florida Community Trust Program. So, you
know, they uh we could certainly speak to them, but but if we went to them without providing access through this project, it would definitely hurt the ranking. But the the acquisition, and this is more expensive because it's a barrier island, the property is right
now listed for sale for $2 million, which is kind of what you're going to pay for barrier island and and habitat where, you know, or a place where you could put a house on the beach. So, so once again, it's not something that's going to break the bank in terms of the
overall cost of the program and there's very very few areas. I I think there's two or three areas where we could actually buy beachfront habitat, undeveloped beachfront habitat at this point. So, so we don't have to and we don't have to
have funding partners for everything. So we could look in some of these isolated smaller instances where the habitat is really valuable to to just not have a partner because honestly I particularly like having undeveloped coastal habitats.
So uh development you would basically it would be limited to one house uh due to the coastal construction line and the mangroves. I believe it's adjacent to the uh Perry
Street parking lot. You could extend the Perry Beach parking lot onto this property. Um I don't think you could. There's uh the the on in terms of the parking at
Perry Beach, it's uh at the Whoops. And you may be right. I drove in there with John mail and and I'll have to extend the Perry Bridge parking lot slightly onto this property.
You could not from Perry Beach. If we don't buy it, it'll be gone. The good news is 10 years from now the house won't be there that they put up. So we'll have another opportunity. The beach might not be there either. Yeah. The road is true eroded.
If you'll just bear with me one. Well I I would say Mike it's something if if you could look into that please because it's a very good point. No I I built that parking lot. Okay. So the parcel is this is the parking lot up here
and this is all Perry Beach and this is the parcel right here. Okay. Well, I wasn't shown the right parcel then. So believe you. That's John's fault. Okay, got it. We'll figure something out. And again, you're right, Mike. It's $2
million. Yeah. And we're talking about 200 million plus partners on other things. So, we're talking about 700 billion dollars at the end of the day. Yeah. At least that's what one commissioner said yesterday at a public meeting.
Uh, so I, you know, I don't think we need to go crazy. Yeah. You got a partner on everything, right? Quite well made. Uh, public comment, Charles, or the gentleman in back, Dan going around the horn.
I'm John. Well, I I think it's cool to be able to say we bought farmland and we bought water wet water and we even bought an acre on right on the Atlantic Ocean. It's a good story. Had some sizzle to it. Thousands of acres to one acre
is what we're looking at. My wife's in Chicago and she'll say, "What did you do today?" I'll highlight the one acre on the beach. Well, and some of the people that put in money to help pass this referendum, I also that's what I'll tell them and it'll
make them swell up with pride. My first project working for Martin County was to restore about a mile of beachfront habitat where Bob Graham Beach and Beachwalk Paisley is. So certainly those coastal properties have a special place for me in terms of protecting and preserving.
Good. Well, it's also one reason why Martin County really stands out because you folks have over the years preserved this type of land. [Music] Don, any other comments or are you good? Merit,
I I do agree. I mean, you know, if there's no funding partners for something like this, we have the money. You could just purchase it. We're not making any more beachfront that's undeveloped. Um, not within the greenway though, right?
Not within the Is it within the greenway? The greenway. Any greenway. Any greenway. No, it would be uh I mean we would consider it to be a blueway property for us like we qualify, but it's not going to be like a qualify that as a greenway for for the ranking.
Yeah, that's what I mean. ranking. It was a hard to rank these four problems, right? Yeah. Yeah. It it is adjacent to the uh uh aquatic preserve. Mhm. So the uh you know the Indian River Lagoon in that area is an aquatic
preserve. So that's is a special designation on its own, right? Um, and there are areas further south that they actually have a Blueways uh the state has a Indian River Lagoon Blueways
Florida Forever project. Uh, and but for whatever reason that area of the Indian River Lagoon got left out. There's some areas south of the St. Lucy inlet, but to me it it kind of all is a part of that Indian River Lagoon blueway. So,
when we're looking at Greenway Corridor, which I think where you're headed, Beth, we're looking at that as an in an expanded context, if I understand it correctly, back to Tom's point, that's what I'm asking. Yeah. So, are we when we rank that, we can rank it as a zero or we could rank it as
a 100? Yeah. Which is it? I I can't tell you that. It's your job to figure that out. What I'm saying is maybe it's 100 based upon what Beth just raised and what Tom said, right? Yeah. I'm looking at it as it it's
potent. I mean, it's definitely part of a blue way, right? But because the blue way and the only ranking that we have really for the blue ways that's consistent is number 10, but if you pull that into the into the greenway as well,
I just thought of something else. It's um I don't know. We have uh two state designated paddling trails in Martin County and one is on the Indian River Lagoon and Perry Beach is actually one of the stopovers on that uh paddling trail. So there you go.
Back to the question at hand when we're ranking this I Dan what are your or go ahead I looked at it as an expanded point and looked at as a greenway we're literally expanding Perry Beach as public ownership. So that in of itself,
it's a micro greenway. I didn't for the blue ways parcels. I didn't look at it as specifically having to fall in the Florida greenway corridor. Um I kind of expanded it to the Blueways corridor and same thing with the parcels on the South
Fork. We're expanding already publicly owned land and furthering a greenway that's there. Um, you know, so when we're ranking these, just jump in. It seems as if we should really interpret that greenway corridor as
greenway or blueway corridor when you're presenting it. So when we're ranking it, could we do that? But if you could please point out to the BOCC what we're doing. Okay. Because they may interpret it the same way I did, which is just a greenway. Well, if you to if you don't, as Tom
said, it's it's if you follow it strictly to does it fall in the greenway corridor, it's going to be a zero, right? And I mean, we have to have some faith in the the commission that
they're going to examine these properties a little bit, but like we are, V simple is different than conservation easements. Blueways is going to be different than, you know, a Lock Salooi project that falls right in line with Florida Forever and the
Greenway Corridor. But just as long as that caveat's pointed out to the board, that's all. Okay. And so what we're ranking it, it's greenways or blueways, folks. Uh, everybody good with that? Mhm. Yes. Okay,
David. Okay, great. Might change my Very good job, Michael. Thank you and council. Uh, I didn't do much. It's all Michael. Well, sagacious advice. So, perhaps if we could go through
that's sort of we've all provisionally rated these. Now, what we need to do is go back. Would you like to go through each one individually or what's the what's the preference? I would like to go through each one individually. Okay. But I think we need to put a time limit
on each because we're going to get bogged down in the weeds. Okay. I'll be the electric pride. You can Well, but I think we need to have like maybe 15 minutes of property or not even through them in a Oh, I I think we will. Okay. I'll I'll
be the pride. Once you're done ranking them, you're we're going to have to hand them all in and we're going to tabulate the results and then come back to you showing what the final scores for each are. Now, is the protocol for me to go
through each individually or for you to do that? Will they rank ours? We just give them. Doesn't matter. Okay. So, let's do Palm Beach Heights first, please. Can we start with Beth? I want to hear other people's Okay. ranking because I'm going to I think it would be helpful if you could
just kind of pull up the presentation in case we have questions as we're going through this. Can't hear you. Oh, sorry. Um, can you hear me now or am I not on? I can't hear you now. Yeah, you're okay. Just get closer. Yeah, this chair is too short and I'm
too short. Um, so Palm Beach Heights, um, I guess I started with with the relationship to the C project. I gave it a 65 because it's not actually in the SER project, but it is SER adjacent and it's a large amount of property that is SER adjacent.
So, do we want to go through these one by one, everybody? Yeah, let's just quickly go through them. Okay. Uh, greenway corridor U 85, although it probably should be 100 if I think about it. Um, potential funding partners 100.
Habitat quality 85. um gave management considerations a 60 uh just because of the um individual parcel basis of it all. Um rare listed species habitats 85
zero cost per acre. Uh I gave it a 70 on recreational opportunities. Um, I didn't rank development potential, but I think it's pretty low.
Um, maybe 40. Um, and waterways or shoreway protection. I did not rank it. So, if everybody could please put in their final ranking for that and then go into the next one. Thou prop family
partnership. Dan, do you want to take the lead on this or do we want to go around the horn? No, let me get down. Let me get past the first two couple. Yeah. Okay. Because I was a little little disjointed as to some of the definition. Yeah. And if there's there's opportunity for discussion as well because some of us may I mean my rationale is not
necessarily the best rationale. Okay. So Palm Beach Heights. Any further discussion on that? David. No. Once you go through this first one, do you want to start handing your sheets? Hold them until then.
Do you want our names on them? Oh, great point. That's way she can get going on it. Just make sure you put your names on each. I I'll just tell you I differ with uh initials work.
I I gave in the war in the uh waterways shoreline protection. I I gave it a higher score than you. Okay. Um I just thought it was important even though they were very very small parcels
taken together they unique in the way they present uh what's going on. Uh recreational opportunities I I think I I'm also higher than you. I gave it a 40 because as we acquire more it'll be more and
more it'll be easier to have recreational in that. So you gave I gave it a 70. Oh, okay. And I don't know. The development potential was a 40. Yeah, I gave it a zero because I don't think there's any development potential
because from what I understand, it'll never have a roadway in it by county ordinance. It will never have zoning by county ordinance. It'll never have a parcel. It will have parcel numbers, but it will never be uh a plat by county ordinance.
I'm a never say never. Well, They have to change ordinances to do that. So I I really don't think there's any development potential. That's always helpful. David, any comments? No, I'm I'm right around that same area. Just going around the horn. Dan Vicki,
I'm good. John, the only thing the only thing I had was different was on the first one on SER. I hear you at 50 or whatever you had, but I I put it 100 because it's in the SER zone. Well, it's SER adjacent. It's not in the
zone. Well, it's Yes, it is in the zone. I don't care what they say. It's in the zone. It's not in any SER footprint. It's um No, there are specific parcels that are within the SER footprints for Palmar. Okay. That's why I ranked it, but you can rank
it how you like. Yes. Otherwise, interesting. You I had some of the same numbers. Okay, that's great. Mary, I had some different and some the same. You know, I I looked at development potential. I gave it 80 because,
you know, I look at the this area. It it is being developed and impacted actively and that's why it's been such a hot topic for debate. So, I'm not looking at development potential always as legally or illegally. I mean,
you know, that development that's going on isn't legal, but it's happening. So it's there. Um so that's why I gave it a higher development potential. Um management considerations were a 40 because of the individual parcels.
But as it's acquired, if we're looking at this and there's 10 parcels left that we're acquiring, all that management considerations would be a hundred once we have a large group. Um so those were a few of
you know where I I differed slightly. Recreational opportunities were a 40 um again because of the smaller parcels but that would change as the acquisitions increase.
Thank you Merrick. Any further comments before we pass them in? Okay. Okay. So, if everybody can please uh Colleen is going to come around and collect. [Applause] Colleen, you have access to the thing. So, all right. Let me know if you have
any questions on that. Thank you, Colleen. You're welcome. Thank you. Okay, moving forward to the Th family partnership. Perhaps going Let's see. Dandy, do you want to take a pass on that? Going I
I'm happy going down there. Okay. She's smarter than I am. Default. How about Do you want to do hydraulic? Well, I I mean I I don't remember why I did the scoring now, but I could tell
you what the scores were and I think this was one of my highest scoring projects. Uh I think relation to SER or SER adjacent was 100. Greenway corridor was 100. Potential funding partners was 80.
Habitat quantity quality was 90. Management considerations with 90. Rare listed species or habitat was at 80. Recreational opportunities a 50. Development potential of 40. and
waterway or shoreline protection 100. It may come as a surprise to everybody, but I pretty much agree with Camp Pennney. Yeah. Okay. That's scary. Dan, do you want to jump in? Well, I'm good. I'm good. Vicki,
I I pretty much almost the same. Yeah, I was almost the same. I was fairly high on this one, you know, 80s and 90s. Um, I guess my general philosophy I've had a hard time ranking
full hundreds out of many of the properties, but that's I was always a B student and it's hard to, you know, get that straight A. I guess some some did make the 100 mark, but Well, maybe you should have a bumper sticker like mine which says I was an
honor student, but I don't know what happened. True. Okay, Tom, any other thoughts? No. Um, so I was a little lower on relation to SE Serp and Greenway um because they're adjacent and not actually part of so 65 and 85
respectively. Uh, a little lower on development potential at 20 because it's already under convers conservation easement. It's not under Oh, this is the wrong one. That's another one. Oh, that's a different one. I'm sorry. Um, I Which one?
Sorry. Can you bring it up really quick so I can look at it? Uh Thall Family Partnership. Oh god. Sorry. That's all right. It's been a long day. Is that seven? That's 710. Uh yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, do about a 50% on that
then on on development. And then otherwise I was pretty close to the to the same other than I didn't rank any of them on the waterways or shoreline protection unless they were specifically related to the blue ways. So
makes sense. David, I was right footstep with Tom pretty much. Thank you. Okay, so if we could please. Yeah. This is what Michael's Excel spreadsheet's
workout. Now, if it was me, I would have probably messed up the formulas. So, by the sixth or seventh property, she's going to be zumbling through the floor, probably. Yeah. Well, we'll take, you know, We'll take a break after this.
Yeah. No. And we're going to need time to still score everything. So, yeah. Okay. Going ahead to J.R. Stewart land. Uh going around the horn. Dan, on the on the relation to the SER, I've got uh 75.
Yep. Uh Greenway corridor was excellent at at 90. Uh potential funding for the partners was low, so that should be at 25. Habitat quality was excellent 90
management considerations high. So that would and and this is where we where we got into the management considerations. Yes. Uh and I'm I think it's a high number. Is that what is that what we're looking for? That's what I thought. If it's adjacent or near another
property, Dan, where the Okay. All right. Uh rare where are listed species? I have minimum that's low. Estimated cost is zero. Recreational uh opportunities high 75 and development potential was limited, very poor. So I
got 25 on that and I didn't put a waterways on it. Didn't either. Vicki, I put a waterways just because of um it being
72% of the property is is wet. It's classified as priority one and then 28% of the acreage is is a three. I I really don't know how to measure these Mike as far as
you know these the waterway access. Yeah, the waterway and I think I'm hearing that from others. The intent of that criteria was more to ensure access to waterways. Is waterway spec specific? Yeah.
Yes. Yeah. So because we have other ones that could handle things like you know uh aquaer recharge you know that that could be considered as something for you know habitat quality or greenways or or
different ones like that. So so it's more access related so low on this one. I didn't put anything. Yeah. Okay. and killer. I don't have any
observations on this one. Close to the same. Uh, so this one already had a conservation easement on it. I had a 10 for development potential and potential funding partners. I had a 20. They were fairly low.
25. Um, most of my others though were in that 80 range. Um, I'm ranking waterways protection, I guess, slightly
higher for me. Anything whether it's just pasture land, um, anything that's not cement that we are keeping in perpetuity as pvious natural lands
is waterways and shoreline protection in my mind. Now I'm ranking that but that in and of itself keeping it green in some state um from the one point being a land on up to pristine
natural condition is aquafer recharge and waterways protection. So almost all of these that we're looking at, I give them a baseline of 50 or 60 um to start with just from being undeveloped and
stopping them from being pavement or one house per 20 acres um is how I'm looking at waterways protection. Thank you. I have a big agreement with Merit and a big disagreement with Merit on this one.
on the agreement. I absolutely the waterways and shoreline protection. I absolutely agree with you Merritt. If it's preserving any any way we can hold water, I think it's that's what that's protecting. My disagreement is you on
development rights. If it already has a conservation easement, that's it. We can't make it be anything more by purchasing it. Am I Am I Do I have the right property here? So, it should be zero. I have it at zero again.
I have it as 10. I mean because the conservation easement is is not over the entire property. I believe on this one it is. Oh, it's over the entire property, but it it it was there's a couple of cars mitigation bank and I think that mitigation that was it. I'm having trouble going
back to after 15 South Florida Water Management District. They threat that was why the 10 was there. They were they were going to argue that they were going to remove. We could argue it one way or the other. It should be zero or I gave it 10 out of 100. I did the same. Yeah, I I had a 10% on
development potential as well because you know boards change and philosophies change and now they can change their mind. Um everything else was pretty consistently with what um everyone else had. I think I had a 30% on potential
funding partners and that's it. or 30 I guess not percent but I can't I can't think of anything different from zero to 100 as anything other than percentage Mr. Camp Penny. No, I just spoke about it. Okay, David.
Yeah, I I just would be echoing what uh Tom and Merritt had said about any land we preserve is to me the same waterways and shorelines preservation. So, I'm going to give it a score for sure at some point. Thank you. Okay, let's hand these in.
Can I just run up and get some for you? No, don't mind walking. By the way, thank you for It's a hard work. There's a gun. So, looking at Elise Jay. Uh, Dan, do you want to take it off or
are you okay with you go riding the horn like this or do you prefer? I'd rather start with Mary. Okay. Oops. I'm sorry. So, I'd rather start with her. Oh, because it's her. Well, we did that last time, but I got some push back on immediately going to
to Beth. So, I just want to be sure everybody has a chance to I'm good, Vicki. Sure, I can go ahead. Okay. So, this is Elise J. Elise J. Correct. Um, for the IRL, I I put it under the
IRL designation 80. Greenway 90 funding possible South Florida Water Management Florida Forever 40. Habitat quality 85. um management considerations 80
and rare or uh listed species habitats 85 and recreational I gave it a uh 60 because it's hiking, hunting, fishing
adjacent to connection to harmony and then development Um, that one's low. Yeah. 20 25 25. Yeah. Yeah. And then following Merritt's train of
thought of 50 on the waterways for some reason I was just a little higher on all all these uh all your numbers. I don't know why, but I got a bunch of hundreds here and uh but close to the same up and
downs the overall scores on number nine though. Um the developmental potential it is listed on different realtor sites. So I don't
know if that escalates the potential for development. I I had development at 80. I I guess I think all these properties, these sharp developers are going to get around whatever restrictions and legislation are. And
all these properties have a little higher development potential than I think what we sit here think. I just think it could happen. Yeah, good point. John, this is true. Meredith. Yeah, I'm in the 80s and 90s. I just
something Beth said earlier about this property and the JR Stewart as far as waterways protection. The two being almost the dividing point for the lockooi as far as where waterways flows probably help me rank a
lot of these numbers as higher. This one being water, I think if I'm correct, flowing down south of the Lockahhatchee. The property we just talked about, Jr. Stewart, water flowing or drop of rain would hit that and flow north to the south fork of the St. Lucy River.
It's a reverse. Yes. Sorry. But that these two properties encompass a lot of what the locky initiative was all about is preser I
mean the best way to preserve a water body is to start at its headarters and pres from there preserve going down. So both these after Beth made that comment kind of raised all my numbers
on the properties. Thank you, Tom. I just have high numbers like John on this property. So, yeah, I have high numbers. I uh gave it a hundred for relationships to SER since it's actually in the footprint. And this
is the one time where I broke with my consistency and did rank it for waterways protection because it is in the SER plan and it is intended to help protect the St. Lucy. Thank you, Beth. David, I went high on this one as well. I'm sure a lot of it's because it's between
two, you know, conserved areas already. So, just to connect those two. Okay, good. Thank you. Sorry. Yeah, that's it. Okay, going on to SS Farms. Uh, now are we is everybody okay if I just go around
the horn like this or do you prefer some other form? Just Yeah, mix it up. SS Farms David. So, I'm probably going to change it as you guys talk because you guys give me some good things. I know good thoughts. So, here's where I'm at right now. Um, so I put it relation to
SER at 100. This was also before I understood that we were supposed to be going up to 100. Uh so I've gone back and rescored these and I probably like said will again but I put SER at 100. Uh Greenway at 100. Um potential funding partners at 100. Habitat at 80. Um
management at 100. Um the species at 80. Um I I didn't put recreation. Um, and I I think it would probably be low because that's going to be potentially rural family land. I put be
really low. Uh, development potential. I also did not um fill that in. Then 25 for waterways and shorelines, but I'm sure those are going to shift as you guys talk. That didn't seem like we looked at the same. Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm really different. So, I
didn't give it any relation to SER uh greenway corridor at 50% because it's kind of just adjacent. Um, I gave a 90 on potential funding partners, uh, 30 on habitat quality,
uh, 5 to 10 on management considerations because we weren't really sure how or who was going to manage it and I Yeah. So, I could ch I could be convinced to change that. Uh, 30 on rare habitat, rare or listed habitat. Um,
and I did give it I gave it an 80 on recreational because of the Indian Town Road component. Um, and the fact that Mike said that they wouldn't execute this without having some language related to that.
Am I right there? Okay. Uh, 30% on development and again nothing on waterways protection. Okay, Tom. I'm in David's categories. So, no, he's saying the same thing
again. Pretty much same here. Eric, I'm fairly similar to Beth 40. Um, in relationship to SER, uh, management potential was a 40 as well.
and recreational I had it at a zero, but hearing Beth's comments and remembering that I'm I'm at a 50. Um those are the others are fairly similar.
John Kell, I'm almost identical. You're 100 on SER and so forth. You use the same hundreds and 80s that I do. So, I'm right on with him. I I am higher on uh recreation and
development, but basically the same. Vicki, I'm good. Yeah, good. Okay. If we could pass her in, folks. Okay. Turnip pike dairy this time. Okay. If I start off with uh Vicki on this
one. I'm glad to. I have relationship to SER 90 Greenway 100 potential funding partners 80 habitat quality 80 management consideration 80 rare listed
species 80. Recreational opportunities 40. Development potential 80. Waterways 90. Vicki, your thoughts. Come back to me. Uh, recreational opportunities for this
one was zero. Yeah, zero. Yes. Um, it's a farm. We can't use it. That's management potential kind of prior discussions if it's
I'm I'm more at that 50% mark if it's Yeah. You know, the the split between Martin County managing it strictly for waterways and trolls protection and trying to get it as natural as possible
would be 100. But then we also have it's there's no funds from Martin County being spent to management if it's under a conservation easement. So I'm that's where I'm at that 50% for management. Everything else is is fairly close
there. But again, if public can't access it, there's no recreational opportunities, right? Well, I've already we had this disagreement with, so there's no sense going over again. I don't think we should even be considering this property. It doesn't mean I don't love you
anymore. No, I think this is I think this is a realtor trying to take advantage of this committee and the funds it has. Got it. Okay. Yeah, my rankings are fairly low. I mean it is SER adjacent so I gave it a 50 and
greenway corridor adjacent so 55 um and 60% for fund for funding partners but habitat quality and rare endangered h or rare enlisted species habitats and are
in the 10 to 25%. So, David, um, this one was higher score, high scores for me. Um, you know, I I put development high because I do know that's a pretty hot area. It's only a matter of time for that. You know, the
amount of traffic that goes through there. Um, and with it being so close to Alipata and, uh, Bullah Hammock, it's it's in a good spot to continue that that that little corridor there. So, um, you know, the recreation I I definitely there's not going to be any recreation
if if this happens cuz it's it is a a working ranch. Um, they'll probably chase you off with a gun. No, I'm just kidding. I don't know that. But, um, I would, but um, I I I put this at a at a high score because, you know, it is preserving that that agricultural land.
So, thank you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Looking at Witworth Farms. Uh Merrick, do you want to take the lead on this one? Sure.
Uh relationship to SER. If I had a 80, Greenway corridor, I had a 90. Uh, potential funding partners, I believe I had 100. Habitat quality was an 80.
Management considerations was an 80. And same with rare and endangered species or rare enlisted species was an 80. Recreational opportunities was a 75.
Development potential was an 80 and waterway shoreline protection was a 90. John Keller only when I for some reason I'm only a 10 on SER. Otherwise I'm and I can't
defend myself. I don't know where I got that from. Otherwise, you very similar. I think you forgot a zero. I may change my vote. Vicki, I gave it high marks all the way down.
Yeah. And and with the waterways, I I gave it a 90 just because the South Fork runs right through the middle of the property. Yep. Great point. I'm pretty much in line with merit on on change.
Yeah, I'm too I'm in line with merit. I I am also in line with merit and I did rank this one for waterways because a river runs through it. Yeah. Yeah. To speak. Same. That's a quotable quote. Okay.
I didn't make it up. I will admit I was ranking him zero through 10 at the beginning. So, a lot of these have just had zero. Got to like go back. So was I married. So changing them as we're going right now.
Just add a zero. In my defense, there's been a lot that have been like 85s and 65. So sounded like we needed a little bit more than one through 10 to rank them. Yeah. Okay. Poniana Gardens.
farms. Let's see. Pat, you want to take the lead on this one? Um, okay. Yeah, I I did a SER adjacent so 75 greenway corridor 100 potential funding partners 50 water
habitat quality 60 management consider I don't remember this. Yeah, management considerations 25 just because of the lots. Um, listed or rare species 70,
recreational opportunities 50, development potential 90. Um, and again, I didn't rank it for um although yeah, I didn't rank it for um waterways or shoreline.
Thomas, I'm pretty much in line with Beth except that I uh gave it a low score for recreational. Me, too. And I gave it a Yeah, I gave it a high score for development because Yeah, I did too.
Of the individuals. David. Yeah. Uh same as Tomic, but I also put low potential for funding partners. Yes. You too. Okay, Eric. Yeah, I was at 100 for development
potential just because it's already plotted that way. Um, most of the others were were fairly similar. 30 for potential funding partners and 30 for recreational opportunities.
God Keller. I'm I'm low on this one for potential funding partners. Who's the potential funding partners on this one? I forgotten. Rule family and lands, wasn't it? What's that? No, there is none because there's such a small lot. It's I'm sorry. I'm looking I'm looking at the wrong one.
Lots. That was I had it at 10. Me, too. Yes. I could have probably gone lower than 30. I got 30. Okay. Well, I feel better than I'll leave it at 10. It's good to have some under the next one. Vicky, how about you?
I I gave the funding partners a 10 as well just because of it being in so many different parcels pretty much. And how about you? I give them low marks. I give I management considerations 25
and habitat quality was 50. Potential funding partners was 30 and recreational was 25. Yeah, I gave that a 20. Okay, that's the halfway mark. Yeah, we were at the halfway mark. Celebrate.
Ring a bell. Good. Okay, Leonard, who wants to take the lead on this one? Uh, thank you. How about Mr. Keller? All right, I'm glad to Leonard Parcels,
right? Okay, I got SER 10 greenway 40 potential funding 100 habitat quality 40 management consideration 100 rare listed
species 80 recreational opportunity 50 development potential 100 waterways 80 Okay, merit.
Going on down the list, top to bottom, I've got 50, 80, 80, 70, uh, 40, 80.
0, 70, and 70. Vicki, I'm pretty much in line with Merritt. Dan, how about you? I'm good. I'm good. Campaigning. Merritt, why did you rate it so uh high
in development potential? Me? Yeah. Merritt? Well, uh 70 it was one house per 20 acres. Uh proximity to Bridge Road. Okay.
Bumped it up in my mind. And I'm looking at my notes and I have fe simple um or conservation easement. Is this just fe simple? This was the one. No, this was a there was the owner wanted $30 million for 250 acres.
So he wants he wants it into in in a conservation that is why I had it at zero because it was clear from his price that he only is really wanted conservation ement. So I have zero for recreational opportunities.
Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. And it was the proximity I think to Bridge. Okay. Yeah. for the just the potential in that area. I'm pretty much like married in and other and all the other I ranked it the same way where and well
and it says agricultural conservation easement not conservation conservation easement right so I did zero for recreational as well and and 75 for development potential because of the access to bridge road so
yeah around there too same Okay. My number. I forgot. I thought you miss. Okay. Rogers Atlantic Ridge.
Uh David, are you okay leading this? Sure. Um, I put going down the line. I got 20, 90, 20, 80, 70, 50,
90, 10, and 25. I'm not sure I tied. Better if you indicate what your I I lost columns there. Oh, sure. Say which column it is. Sure. So, um,
SER 20, greenway 90, uh, funding partners 20, habitat 80, uh, management consideration 70, uh, rare species 50, recreation 90, development potential 10,
and waterways 25. on information the uh the development potential what was the thinking there David in terms of it being that low was poor because I think it was because of the size and the amount of wetlands that's what being so
threeacre parcel yeah okay got it I'm I'm sorry sorry go ahead no I'm identical so almost identical to David except for the uh wetlands, the
waterways protection rather. And so I got that at 70 because I I I think it's think it's an important buffer. It's a wetland dominated property. So I I gave that a much higher score, but all the all my other scores are about similar to
to David. I'm I'm pretty close. I'm a little higher on development potential, I guess, at 50. Um but otherwise um well and I'm lower on habitat and and uh habitat quality and rare rare or
listed species um in uh 40 and 30 respectively. And I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm close to them. I had a 20
for um potential funding partners. Don't remember why, but no, I believe it was the size of the parcel and and I don't believe that was an option.
Other than that, I'm I'm fairly close. 90 for waterways and shoreline protection on this one. Okay, there we go. Next is Julian Rogers. Should ask Charles to do this one. No. Uh,
Dan, are you okay doing this one? Leading offer. Yeah, I can do it. Uh I' I've gone on SER I got zero greenway I got 90 uh 75 on potential uh 20 on habitat 90 on management considerations 40 on rare or
listed species uh 50 on recreational opportunities development potential 20 and waterways 50 and Beth this is not this is not in the SER no wasn't even close I have it kind of nominally SER
adjacent. So, I gave it a 25. Got it. Be going along. Okay, David, do you want to jump in? Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much where I was as well. Um,
yeah, this isn't It might be Hang on. Make sure I have the right property. Yeah, it's hard to keep track. Um, rare species. This is not the Julian Rogers parcel, right? or is it is the Julian Rogers parcel. Yeah, the conservation fund.
Um, management considerations, I've got a 50, but I had I had a zero for rare listed species and a 20 for habitat quality. Um, but a 25 to 50 for recreational opportun
opportunities. And um, I I guess I broke my consistency again. And I gave it a 60 for waterways protection just because it has the potential to feed um Kitchen Creek I believe. So
I I just gave this low scores throughout. Uh nothing over a 60. And I, you know, I I think it's one of those properties that it's already being conserved and I think
we should use our money on properties that may not be conserved in the future. Um, and I understand that the conservation fund will take that money and use it to buy more properties, but I think working in partnership, we could
we could work with them and take our money and buy properties that the conservation fund would do, and it would save a lot of closing cost and stuff. It just make it a lot simpler going forward. The attorneys will not be happier.
Well, our attorneys get paid no matter what. And I'm sure the conservation attorneys get paid no matter what. Anybody else before we move on? Barrett, John, uh, I was similar and fairly low rankings except for pretty high on
management potential because I know if the county's controlling it, there are a lot of opportunities they could do with the land that we probably won't see happen with the conservation fund. um as an increased management opportunity and
recreational opportunities there for restoration. But again, development potential 20. It's already in conservation. Good point, Mr. Keller.
I'm I'm fine on all these on that one. Dad, I'm good. Vicki, I'm good. Okay. Okay. Petway project property. Uh let's see. Tom Camp Pennney, you want to lead off? Sure.
Um, I gave it a 40 with relationship to SER, an 80 for the greenway, a 60 for potential funding partners, habitat 70, management considerations are 60, rare habitat 50, recreational
opportunities are 20, development potential at 20, and waterway and shoreline protections at 80. What was your last one, Tom? Waterway and shoreline 80 Oh, sorry. No, that's great.
Um, little variable on that. 25 for SER, 40 for Greenway. Um, I got an 80 for potential partners, 50 for habitat quality, 50 for management considerations, 30 for rare or listed
habitat, 70 for recreational opportunities, and 50 for development potential just because of its proximity to other areas. And then again, uh, flowway, um, waterways or, um, because it would offer
protection again for Kitchen Creek at 75. Sorry, David. Um, I went uh, for SER 20, Greenway 90, uh, partners 80, habitat 20, management 10.
I'm not sure why I went so low. Um, species 30, um, recreation 40, um, development 50, and waterway 75. And I'm I'm I'm close. I'm good. Yeah, I'm close.
Killer. Well, the only thing I've noticed I'm consist consistency is within ourselves is probably more important than consistency within the committee. Um Tom is consistently lower
than I am on development and recreation and actually so is merit, but I'm consistent from one piece of land to the other just being slightly higher than they are. So, I just like that observation.
Um, I'm at an 80 for recreational opportunities with this one, just like the one prior. So, do I The county's, you know, these are both in areas where the county could have a lot of potential in, you know, increasing the recreational
opportunities. Um 50 for relationship to SER. uh 90 for the Greenway corridor and fairly similar for most of the others. Just for the record, I'm pretty much in
John Keller's camp, so I'm usually 10 to 15 higher than most. So, but uh great. Any other I'm a hard grader. That's what I was told when I grade.
[Applause] Okay, Jane Wild, who would like to take the lead on this one? You want to combine the Yeah, we the next three. I did all the same, right? Me, too. Okay, then with that in mind, I'm thinking, isn't this the Is this Jane Well, what
happened to the crescent parcel there? It's next. It's Oh, I I got it mixed up a little bit. Okay. I got mine mixed up, too. I had to change the headings. I do that all the time. So, Beth, do you want to take the lead on these? Um, okay.
Um, uh, relation to SER, I I may change somebody can convince me to change this. I put a zero because it's not in the SER project. Um, although the St. Lucy River, I mean, the whole intent of the SER project is to improve the St. Lucy River. So I could be convinced to raise
that score. Um not in the greenway corridor, so zero. Uh potential funding partners I say I said 75% or 75 habitat quality 75 to 80
management considerations. Um I put 25 but also made a comment little need for management. um 90 to 100 on listed species. Uh 50 to 75 for recreational
opportunities simply because it's accessible mostly by boat. Um there are some land access, but probably hard to gather. Um and then a 25 on development potential and 100 on shoreway um waterways or shoreline
protection. very helpful. You know, I agree. I agree. It's hard. You want to give I gave both uh Greenway and uh SER zeros, right? But you want to give them something, right? Exactly.
But according to our criteria, they don't fall within that, right? So, I'm really torn. So, unless we're going to put our put our finger on on it and fudge it, I think we have to leave it at zero to be consistent. I thought
we added blueways to that right under greenway. Greenway or blueway? Well, yeah, we may have added it, but you know, that's not in the criteria in the book. And I doesn't that what counts? I mean, how do we how does the commission know what we're talking about
if we say, "Oh, we're going to add blue waist, but blue waste wasn't part of the criteria that was given to us." So, Mike and council, what would you suggest? Um that's tricky.
I mean overall the the comm uh the board is gonna look at your overall scores but uh how do you think they factor in access you know to see to me Mike that if if you point out to the board
does include in terms of a greenway it does include so criteria number two lands that are near other conservation lands that are protective for conservation provide connectivity for wildlife and are of higher value than isolated inaccessible and fragmented
natural areas. So that's actually a part of it. That's the definition of a greenway. Yeah, that's a green. We're not doing the Florida greenway corridor. Is this a greenway? Is it connecting or a part of furthering a greenway have to be just the state? So, if I were to make
a request that I'm picking up on Tom's point, so please edit this, but basically when you're talking with the the county commissioners that you say that we have amended this, which we hope is okay to include blueways,
greenways and blueways as we discussed before, but it'd be really important to point that out. I don't think you're going to get any push back from them. Okay. So, council, you're okay with that, too? I'm okay with that. And if you if all of you are in agreement, you could vote on that. Yeah. Why don't we why don't you ask?
Okay. So, I would have a motion that we amend that verbiage greenway court. Actually, why don't you make the motion? You're so good at this stuff. Okay. So I I I motion that we also include in the greenway carder blueways
a as to um connectivity connect connectivity to other natural areas or yes okay as to that mo that's fine that's fine with me motion maker says yes I would second it
you can't second you're the chair oh wait a minute I did second merit second all those in favor I I those opposed. Okay, good job, Camp Penny. But so have you got that further? Can you hold that map up? Right. Do you
have the map? It's further zoomed out because it's not it's all up and down the South Fork there. I mean, there are greenways that were connecting. You're going to have to bear with me. I
got to go down to the area and then I got to turn on the So, anything in uh green Oh, it is on the river. The the purple is PAMPS, but anything
that is green is conservation. So, you can see this is uh Kiplinger Preserve. These are autobomb parcels right here. Exactly. This is a county STA. This is Dell Plane Preserve right here. Uh this is Oxbow
even though it shows up in blue. So that's right. Sorry, this map is annoyingly Yeah. thing done. And then if you continue on, you have Palpatio and Atlantic Ridge on
the South Fork. So and Mike to expand a PAMP is preserve area management plan similar to a conservation easement is what we're I mean yeah it's a conservation exactly it's essentially a conservation easement with the county
and again if we look at criteria number one relationship to SER comprehensive Everglades restoration plan the south fork of the St. Lucy River is part of the northern Everglades.
So this isn't a SER project. This is literally just preserving the land in the northern Everglades. It we don't have to follow SER. This is doing the goal of it. So for me, I rank
that as I gave it an 80, but it it's right up there. it achieves SER without needing any funding partners or following all the bureaucratic red tape. That's part of the goal. Um yeah, you you don't want marriage.
You're right. I mean, that that's it. And we're we're kind of splitting hairs between I look at it. I don't need to follow the definition of Florida's mapped out greenway. A greenway corridor is a
natural undeveloped connection of land that animals can traverse or you know we're stretching it into the blue ways. So imagine a turtle or manty being able to graze along seaggrass along the shoreline. All the yellow and
and undeveloped shoreline is where it can go and graze. that's the blueways corridor or I generally would consider a greenway corridor whether it's uplands or aquatic to fall into the same criteria
and then management of a mangrove swamp really the most that we can do besides just improving water quality flowing through that mangrove swamp is trash pickup and less pollution we're not getting in there I don't believe in
in restoring these active partials, but they really require almost no management. Um, so I I ranked all of these really fairly high. Um,
you know, 80s, 90s, and 95s. Well, I did now, too. Yeah. I mean, I did pretty much the same as mayor. Well, now we have a we we have a reason to do it without Yeah, and I I agree with those reasons except for the
consideration of criteria number one. Um because the the guidance is fairly specific that says acquiring land for these C projects will help improve. It doesn't it doesn't necessarily talk about the goals. I agree with your
explanation, but I still don't think I can change my score as a result of it. Understand? So Mike, maybe you just point out that some folks felt specifically it should refer to the SER project, others felt that on a macro basis it contributed to
the overall improvement of the ecosystem. That confuses things, but okay. So anybody else want to weigh in on just a question. So Merritt, you're saying you did give a score to column
number one? Yes, I I put it as an 80 as far I mean Martin and what about number two? You and then you also rated number two. Two was an 80 as well because that's it's also waterways the blue ways. Yes. It's it's we're enhancing or
continuing a corridor. Granted, most of it is aquatic, right? But it's a natural untouched corridor. um you know that shoreline is is natural. That's what we're continuing on. Yeah, it can be contribut country. To
me, a greenway can be a blue way. So, you know, it can be like a Well, we motioned it now. So, so it is. I think we're good. We're done on that. So, it's an explanation that we've all agreed on. We turn turn all three in at the same time. Yeah. Yes. Please
make sure you sign them. Good luck with We're doing all three at once. You don't pick up all three. I put your name on all these. All done. Yay. Hold it. Hold it. Last but not least. Okay. Oh, this is going to be fun. I can still count at this hour.
Thank you. Uh, Mr. Chairman, you do this one. You haven't done one. You lead one. You know, in truth, I haven't totally This is the one I hadn't finished in truth. Uh, well, that's not my problem. That's my problem. Let somebody else. Exactly. But I'm going to ask you to go ahead,
camp, since you volunteered. Well, then you give me a minute. Okay. Well, you did the same thing I did. No, I got to transfer. He's my younger brother, just so you know. So, this is the We're also both from New York. So, No. No. I'm from New York. You're from a
place where the rich live. No, I'm That's Well, I'm not going to comment on that. Oh, you can. But somebody I know has an apartment in Greenwich, Connecticut. So that's called a pot calling the
kettle black. Okay, I'm ready. Okay, let her rip. In in consideration of our newest merit induced [Laughter]
I gave relationship to SER 80%. Even though because of the Indian River Lagoon on one side, the Greenway Carter 80%. Potential funding part partners 70% habitat quality 80%. Management considerations 100
rare or listed species 90 development potential 90 waterway or shoreline protection 80. Beth please. Um a little higher on some and a little lower on others. Um obviously sir I gave
a zero. Um 100 on greenway, 50 on funding partners, 85 habitat quality, 85 management considerations, 90 on rare or listed species, 100 for recreational activities, 100 for
development potential, and 100 for waterways or shoreline protection. Um, I was pretty much with Tom except and I wanted to go with Merit's explanation, but I did put that at zero for certain, but I really wanted to give
more than that. I was within five to 10 of everything Tom said on that one. John Keller, please. I have a perfect scorecard here
for SER zero. It's the furthest thing from from uh the Everglades. So, I gave it a zero. Everything else I gave a 100. It's a perfect scorecard. Vicki, I was in line with Tom.
Okay. I did zero on SER. I was going to say in spite of yourself, Cam Penny, our leader, I was following my recommended biologist friend.
Great. So, we could pass these in now. We can take a 5m minute break or let me ask uh what else we got to do. I'm going to ask Colleen how long it will take to compile these results. Did you start? I started. Yes. Okay. Um
gosh, at least 20 minutes. I was going to say 20 25 minutes to get all the data in. Okay. So, maybe reconvene at 4:00. Is that that what you're thinking? What else? What other business do we have? Why don't we Well, no, we have to we have to
go through the scores and show the ranks. I understand that. But besides that, what other So, here's a question for you. We can go out of order as it relates to the agenda and jump ahead to our next meeting if everybody's okay with that or if do you want to take a break for five
or 10 minutes? No, I I just assume us proceed. Is everybody okay with that? Sure, Vicki. I'd keep going. Okay. Next meeting. Yeah. So, let's Well, let's where we're going to jump around. Are you okay with this, Mr. Campenny, or are you gonna beat up me again? No, you're jumping around on the agenda
that's already printed. You can take it out of order. You just can't make one up as you go along. I will I will mention that our minute taker is busy. Okay. So, don't we can't get into like big discussions. Let's take a break. Well, let's let's take a five minute bathroom break
and Yeah, let's do you take a break. See where we are. Let's come back at let's let's make it 20 minutes or four. Okay. Oh, shucks. Well, whatever. Part: 2
Um, main thing I wanted to address was some of the comments about I think it would be useful for me to better articulate how the conservation fund works, um, how we operate and how we extend the one conservation dollar.
There's been comments about how easements um and uh partner funding etc can advance the dollar of this committee and I think those are all very fair and when I look at a property or when the conservation fund looks at a property
when I take it to our real estate committee we go over the same sorts of questions. Um I would like to send more detailed materials that'll provide more insight. Um, but I think it as a brief overview
and I'll take some of the Lux Lucy properties as an example. We those are kind of outside TCF's normal MO in that they were acquired not with our revolving fund dollars but rather were fundraised for privately. That means
that we fundraised for the properties anticipating a deal, then had cash in hand to give that property owner on the occasion that we move those properties into the hands of people that manage them long term. So in this case, we are
engaged in exotic invasive treatment under our ownership, but we probably would not engage in a full restoration or water treatment project like the Kitchen Creek Preserve because that's not our specialty. Our specialty is putting acreage into conservation. Um,
when we sell on those properties, it would be contingent upon an easement, which we do not we don't hold any easements. Our ownership represent I mean we're not going to be putting any strip malls on there but our ownership represents
the property being logistically moved into conservation but the sale price when we move it on will be our acquisition price plus a our cost of capital which you can look at as an interest rate plus covering the incremental costs of fees due diligence
etc. Just looking at Bridge Road, what two miles of road frontage on Bridge Road cost in 202021 compared to what that same property would cost in 24,56 is a huge difference. So I think it's
fair to bring up the point to where a sale of Lock Lucy acquired properties to the county would compared to Witworth for example or some of the currently listed items would still be you can look
at it as a 20 cents on the dollar versus the full dollar. I would like to submit materials or give a more detailed presentation outlining some of the numbers um because I don't I don't want to speak on them just off the
top of my head. Um and perhaps that could be at the next meeting or alternatively I could submit materials that could be emailed to you all um through your convenience through Mike please. So would it be appropriate to say or is this totally inappropriate that you're
you provide a bridge loan effectively? We we have a conservation loan program. Um that's not my end of the business. We most of the time we are contracted by a county or we are approached uh by our
partners, those being federal, state, county, etc. because we can move quicker than other entities to acquire properties for those same reasons I just outlined where property and prices property prices increase. um the
property might go to someone else who does not have the same intentions and this basically locks that property on a shorter time frame into conservation. If there's any other questions, happy to answer them. What's your cost of capital roughly?
Uh I would I think I can say 5% right now. So if you finance a deal is would it be prime plus 20 basis I mean 200 basis points 300 basis points how does that work? It's difficult to say because it really
is on a dealbydeal basis but I'm comfortable saying 5% annual cost of capital um plus the for example appraisal fees due diligence cost Mr. Camp Benny, you are correct that TCF we do have a legal team. They are going
to get paid no matter what. But um the sort of other incidental costs as part of the deal are included into the sale price to the end buyer. Got it. So all your closing cost. Yeah. Yes.
So Dan, from a real estate real estate broker's perspective, what's your take? I mean, go ahead, Dan. You go ahead. I I think it's attractive. Uh the 5%. It's interesting the way you
put the program together where it it seems to be affordable. Mhm. To the buyer. I think I'm also currently under contract. The TCF is with Bvard County and that's another project I'm working on. And in
that case, a property owner would approach our team. We handle the willing seller letters, get those details together, and then we bring it to a similar committee that exists there. We negotiate the deal, go through that process. They don't have
in in the lockooi case that was basically forward thinking and was put forward as an impetus from concerned citizens in the surrounding area who said I think we can fund raise towards some of this now and that started in 2020. Um
how do how do you pick the people that you you sell the property to to manage it once you acquire it? It will always it almost always is federal, state or county. Okay. So that it ensures the property will be conserved long in perpetuity.
Okay. And you're a 501c3. You're a nonprofit. They can it can be attractive for an agency to work with the with these land trusts. They can be more flexible. They can be quicker than we we can be in
terms of like getting things. you know, if you have one that's for sale and it's a hot property, you know, it takes us time because we've got to go, we've got to, you know, get the EOC together. We got to take it to the board just to get in the game. And so they can move a lot
quicker than we can. And there are some instances where landowners won't talk to a government. Uh so they can get involved and help to bridge that gap and do the deal with the land owner and then pass it along to the government agency.
And there are John and Mike, do you mind if I talk about some of our past conversations? And we were also involved with Martin County forever um and handled some of the donations for that. We've been talking
with the county for months, maybe even coming on a year now about this process. um I understand where the county is coming from when they talked about hiring a contractor uh was not put forward in the ordinance
and therefore might go against it and so as a result decision was partially made though no LOI exists necessarily that we could go out and pre-acquire properties at the request of the county
and move forward on from there. Um, this was with county attorneys as well present at the meeting. But of the properties that you all have gone through today, there are more than just
the Lockal Lucy properties that I have gone out to see engaged with a landowner. In fact, Witworth is the only property within Lockx Lucy that I haven't engaged the land owner also at the request of the county because they thought they had a deal on the table and didn't want to muddy the water, which is
fully understanding. We're fully understanding of that. Um, but Th is one, Elise J, um, Jr. Reserve, Pway, Leonard, both Rogers, the other Rogers piece that we
don't own. um the Creser Properties and a number of others um you know I'm aware of and have dealings with the land owners on. So question for the purpose of the minutes do we need to capture council and Mike what Charles has just
noted or should I ask him for a summary for the minutes for this meeting or what would you guys like? Uh we can have uh Sarah Cornelius uh who's our administrative assistant. She typically goes back, listens to the uh
to the meeting and looks through the minutes to make sure that they're accurate. So, she can she can go ahead and capture this since uh our minutes taker is busy right now. Uh making sure that all this gets in incorporated into the minutes.
Okay. Now, Charles, this information you'd be passing out, it should go through Mike. Mike, uh, could you, uh, I think seems to me that if would that would the committee like that before or after the January
meeting? Well, anything we're going to discuss at the meeting, we should have before. You'd have it before, but do you want to have it well in advance of that or how do you feel enough to allow some time to review it? Yes. Okay. So, at least two weeks in advance. Okay.
So I would say Charles at least you know probably end of December ideally. Okay. And again you know I might be misunderstanding this but this is really their department who they want to
partner with. We really don't care. Right. Uh, so it's nice that he's a nice fella and all, but it's it's still at the end of the day John Mail and Mike and anybody else at the county and how they decide they want to
move forward with acquiring lands. Well, at the end of the day, it's the board of county commissioners. Well, but you know what I mean. Yeah. It's, you know, we don't need to get in the middle of who you want to use as an agent. Correct. At the same time, though, they've played a critical role. for example, in Martin
County forever, uh they do a number of things. I think just for everybody's I I go back to the fiduciary duty that we all have to the extent that there's a material relationship with an entity such as the conservation fund. Even
though to your point, Tom, it's definitely not legally binding on us to know about it. I do think that it's part of maybe put it in the golden rule category. uh and and understanding how the pieces of
the puzzle fit together. That's the way I look at it. So, and I would just like to add we have been engaged on this for a long time. I think there is um agreement understanding as it stands now. I am a
Martin County resident. I did make a vote on this referendum. I completely understand the considerations towards where are the tax dollars going. Um, and I'm not necessarily asking to be
contracted. Um, more the more of the reason why I'm up here at this point is to comment on the properties already in conservation. Um, why would we have to spend the money on it? Understand. And I think also, quite frankly, if any of us are at a cocktail
party or something and somebody says, "Who's this conservation fund?" uh we want to be able to give them a reasonable answer to that question. Uh and so I think within that context that's the way I that's the way I see it. And when I said I was born in New York
and he was born with the rich people, you get the dichotomy. Now we're the curtain's pulling back. I usually say I'm a simple country boy from Brooklyn, but he he doesn't agree to that. But any case, you sure you want the minutes put out?
No, I I think it's really walking in the other person's shoes and I think that uh all of us will be talking with someone at some point in time and they're going to ask us a question and to the extent that we can answer it, I think it's it's in the best interest of everybody. Uh so
that's the way I see it. So I agree with you. Let's see how are we doing with the in the ballpark. Okay, I got about one more page left and then we'll be good. And I need to proofread things before we
throw it up here and say this is our list. You have to speak I I don't I I need to proofread everything before we throw it up there as our list and then actually put the ranks in. So actually when we did the list uh we had originally discussed and you'll see in the item that was passed out that we were going to do each parcel
individually as to whether or not we s we uh suggest to the BOCC that they approve it. Uh could I have some discussion please on doing them all at once so that Mike's going to present the findings at original plan was that we would do
each individually. I'm proposing now that we do them cons we've do it we do one motion for the whole the whole batch. Yeah. Yeah. Dan, are you you want a motion to that effect or need one? Well, we don't need a we'll need a motion when we approve the list.
I but I'm state I'm changing the agenda and I know that you'll pick on me if I'll do it all at once. Okay. So, for the record, Camp Penny will not pick on me for changing the sequence. Okay. We are now ready. Michael,
tell us that joke you know. Mike, can I have uh five minutes to look through that list over and uh convene back? Yep, that's good. It's nap time. Are you authorized? Yes,
duly. Okay, Michael. Um, so in front of you is the ranked scores for all of our properties. Uh, so you can see the total scores are in the L column
right here. And then it's broken down by rank from 1 to 16th. So the top uh ranked project is the Witworth Farms property. The second is Elise J. The
third is the Thaw Partnership. The fourth is Perry Beach Edition. The fifth is Palm Beach Heights. The sixth is the Cresser. Seventh, the Bursteen. And eighth, the Jame Wild. The SS Farms
property is ranked ninth. The Leonard property is ranked 10th. J.R. Stewart Land is ranked 11th. Turnpike Dairy is ranked 12th. Ro, the Rogers Atlantic Ridge property is ranked 13th, Point
Sienna Gardens 14th, Pet 15th, and the Rogers uh the conservation fund property is ranked 16th. Does anyone have any questions about that or comments? Do you have the ability to print that out that we could take home and study
it? Um, yeah. Or email it to us. I can print it from here. Why don't Why don't you How about I email it to you? email it would be great. I'm going to save this in a place where I can find it. So, is there any other questions or comments?
Um, yes. When you look at that list, does any of it stand out or surprise you? Um, I, you know, that's not my job. So, smart answer. Yeah. Brilliant. So, as the county moves through the process and starts making
offers on these or presenting them to the board, can you Well, we're going to make a motion to that effect. Oh, are we? Okay. So, what we're going to do is further discussion on the pro questions on the properties going around the horn. Dan John Keller,
I don't understand what you want. So, what we're going to do is we're going to have discussion on the properties and then I'm going to uh ask for a motion that we recommend to the board of county commissioners that they move forward to negotiate a purchase or conservation
easement on all of these properties. No. So, but before I get to that, is there any discussion as it relates to these properties? Tom? No. No. David. Nope.
John Keller. No. I'm Merritt. Happy with it? No. I'll I'll I'll move that we recommend to the to the county commission this list of properties in that order for possible purchase or ease
or conservation or agricultural easement. Second. All in favor? I I All opposed. Okay. Motion's carried. So, at this point, uh, we've set up the
meeting, so I'm jumping ahead a little bit on on the list of items to do. Uh, at this point, uh, the meeting is adjourned. Oh, unless you've got something else. No. Oh, John, you want to say something? Yeah, I'd love to. Never miss an
opportunity to say something publicly. Um, I I just hate to lose the significance of the moment. Um it's it I know you guys this is just another thing you do for your community but I I don't think it's a small thing that eight of you would step away from your jobs, your
families, your commitments to come spends your TVs um to spend an entire day in the minutia of working through this. But um you are truly the manifestation of of our citizenry interest in preserving
Martin County as it is. Uh and they've entrusted you to come and and facilitate that. And I think that's incredibly meaningful. And I think this is one of those moments we'll look back on 101 15 years from now and say this was a defining moment in making a a a
permanent difference for Martin County. So, I just on behalf of the county staff, um my friends and neighbors, thank you for what you did today and um it means a lot. I also want to introduce um a guest. I don't know how many of you got to meet him. Um Patrick Connelly uh
joined us all day today from the water management district. Patrick's Patrick's role is the park or the program manager or the the uh project manager for SER IRL South. So he and his team oversee all of the things, all the
infrastructure projects that are going to help to clean up the river and they have been incredibly helpful in engaging with us to make sure that we're giving good guidance to you and the board on what qualifies as projects and on a myriad of other efforts to clean up the water. And so I just it means a lot to
me that Patrick would spend his whole day here about our program and and all that he's invested in it. And I wanted to make sure to acknowledge him. That's all. Thank you. Well, thank you John. Thank you Patrick Charles and Michael staff. One more thing. Yes sir. So before we Yeah, I did want to you you
know you asked surprises. One thing to note is that really the top four pro projects on this list are pretty far separated from the remaining properties in terms of points. So these were all within 30 points of each other 620 to
592. And the next one down is going to be 518. So there's some pretty, you know, you you could definitely say that there is a is a high top five a top tier of priorities uh to make a
recommendation with going forward to the well the the committee may correct me in this one, but I think the belief of the committee is that we proceed with all of them uh and that uh that's conveyed to the board of county commissioners. Does anybody
Well, we I think the motion was we proceed with all of them in the order. Yeah. That we ranked them. Exactly. But we're not going to rush ahead to number 16. Correct. But we're not going to split hairs on it. Yeah. No, but it was just, you know, to me this is a clear delineation and
something that we'll mention to the board of county commissioners uh that that these four were were definitely uh much higher ranked than the other properties on the list. That's not going to exclude us from going after number 16
or number 10, but but that's an important point to make with our board of county commissioners. That's really your and John's call. I would if my were I doing it, I would simply say here's the ranking, but we here's what the vote of the committee
was, but that's just me. Uh, great. Meetings adjourned. You okay, Mr. Parliamentarian? Great. Thank you everybody. Great job. All right. at 4:30 on the