Welcome everyone. Uh let's call the meeting to order with the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> We have the minutes from the last meeting. If anyone has any comments or um would like to make a motion to approve them, >> make a motion to approve. >> I second it. >> Any comments? All in favor? >> I.
>> Anyone opposed? Okay, very good. Uh we'll move on to um where are we? Uh disclosure of uh conflicts of interest. Anybody have to disclose any conflicts of interest?
>> None. >> All right. Great. We have a uh comment section. If members of the public would like to comment, you have three minutes to stand and um speak on.
>> Yeah, you can. >> They need to fill out a slip. >> They have a Got it. >> Perfect. >> Give it to him. >> You can give that to me. >> Hi. >> Thank you. >> I'm Carol Balduchi. I live in the Jensen Beach CRA and I have a few questions.
One is when was the meeting? Where can I find the meeting that approved the uh river light development? Number one. And number two, um where is the impact study for the environment and
the traffic for the river light development? I actually live in the CRA. So, Carol, generally we don't answer questions at public comment. You just get to make a comment. But since you came all the way here from Jensen, I'm
going to make an exception for you. Um, Riverlight has never been approved to be constructed. So, there was no meeting where there was an approval by the board to build Riverlight that I
know of. It went through maybe several iterations, but there was no final approval for that project. >> Who's Janna? >> Jana. >> Janna is my project manager. >> She told me it was approved >> again. It probably went through several
iterations, but to my knowledge, it was never formally finally approved by the board of county commissioners. >> Really? >> Yes. >> Well, those are my concerns. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah. Does >> anyone else have any comments? Yes,
ma'am. >> Right. >> I live in Jensen Beach CRA also. >> Okay. I live next door to what is it called now? River House. Okay. This used to be
a motel. Now it's been a rehab center. It's been Right now it's a mental institute. It does not belong in the CRA. I run a kayak business on my riverfront.
I've had counseling on my riverfront. I have people in my yard at night. I have people when at night I get woken up, they're counseling them in the sidey yard, which their yard meets my yard. Um,
I made a of all my concerns, okay, which I probably leave with, but I don't feel that this establishment belongs in the Jensen Beach CRA. It says in this paperwork that they applied for
this in March of 2025. There's been a rehab in there for at least two to three years. It's changed four times. This is the last one that came in. Also, they have aas growing around the entire property. These are
very invasive. Has knocked my fence down. It's because they they're invasive palms and I look all through the CRA. They aren't permitted as a shield. That's like they're building a shield around this to keep their people in. But
it's you know um I would the cops are always there. Ambulances are always there. This this is something that does not belong in the CRA and it needs to be studied. Um I was accused of I don't know whether it was
the owner or the gentleman that said it to me just last week. We had an incident unmarked cars trying to chase one of the guys down and they said, "Well, why'd you call the cops?" I have never called the cops on that place. You can check
with the sheriff's department. Okay. It's their own people calling because they've lost control of one of their patients. This does not belong in the CRA. I would like this studied and I would
like you to possibly do something about it because it affects my business. It affects the CRA. Thank you. >> Thanks, Sharon. >> Okay. Well, anyway, there's that. >> Anybody have any comments?
>> Looks like number three. >> Oh, okay. Very good. >> Mia Lindberg, Jensen Beach. So, primarily for me, uh, River Light bought the property and 23. We've only had people out there one
time. They cleaned the area and they boarded up the windows. It's totally overgrown. There was just an article that went out that said that we were um abandoned. We had abandoned building
buildings. It was a ghost town and they bought it. They're not able to build on it yet. But don't they have an obligation to the people who live there to make sure that the property is maintained? Because it isn't.
And um you know if it was one of us and we were doing that code enforcement would be all over us and I don't want to be the person who comes out here and complains about stuff but it's going on too long. There should be something where they have to go out and maintain
the property that they bought. We shouldn't have to hear it's a ghost town and the buildings are abandoned. They're not. They're owned by the construction company. That's all I have to say. I'm hoping somebody will do something about that and make it right for the people who
live there, especially during this holiday time when we have lots of folks that are coming into town and they're wondering what the heck is going on also. Um, thank you for hearing me and have a great Christmas since I won't get to
speak to any of you. >> Thank you. >> Maybe the next meeting. >> Maybe at the next meeting. >> Thank you for your comments. Anyone else? >> Okay, we're going to move on to member comments. Any member comments?
>> Uh, real quick, um, I know we've all been waiting for it, but the Lolatto families finally decorated the circle at Rio. >> Yay. >> I saw that. >> It looks great. They did it. It wasn't really cold or raining this year, so I know they were happy about it. But, um, I've seen a lot of reaction online about
it. Everybody seems to really like it. So, if you get the chance, drive through Rio as much as you can anyway. drive through and look at the the circle. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Anybody else? >> Any staff comments?
>> Okay, we'll move on to our presentation. Uh we have a CRA capital projects review. >> Usually, uh good afternoon everyone. Susan Cororez. Usually we do uh our consultants first, but I'm going to do capital projects first because it's not
going to take that long. Um I don't have that many updates to share with you. Uh first one would be the Golden Gate Landscape Vision pilot project. As you know, we did cancel that was right around Halloween time. We're going to regroup a little bit um and try to get
some more participation from our uh collaborators as long as as well as the community. and then we're going to restart that in the new year. So, we'll be bringing back more information for you on that neighborhood imple neighborhood improvements. We do have
Wend Dang, her staff from DDEC to talk to you today about that and then we're going to move on down to Jensen. We're we're in Jensen a lot today. >> Um Jensen Beach Roadway and Parking
Improvements Church Street project. The good news on that is that uh as we have said in previous meetings, the owner has the owner of the north property has decided to give us that 30 ft of rightway. That's going to go to the board of county commissioners tomorrow
on consent to be approved. And once that happens, then we can start moving forward with uh some redesign of that street of that roadway. That's going to provide some additional parking. Hopefully, we're going to underground the utilities um and have it be a good two-way through um because there's
really only two others. So, that'll be nice for the south part and relieve maybe some of the traffic on the north end, which would also be nice. Um then we're going to move to Rio.
And this is just a quick update uh for our streetscape enhancement project and our uh CRA property civic center project. Those two projects running concurrently. Uh we are doing our last community engagement
meeting um or outreach I should say at the Winterfest which is going to be held on Friday the 12th and that'll be at Indian Riverside Park from 6 to 900 pm. So, if you are interested in seeing any of the newer newest pretty pictures um
or talking to that staff, please do join us at the Winterfest. That is all of my updates on capital projects. And as always, happy to answer any questions you might have. Don't all raise your hand at the same
time. [laughter] >> I think you're off the hook. I think I might be. Really? Jamie, you don't have a question. Jamie, [laughter] write that down. >> Yeah. Blame it on the turkey. Exactly.
>> Well, you know, it in November, December, you know, things do slow down a little bit. So, my updates reflect that, I think. >> All right. Very good. If no comments, we'll move on. We have a presentation for the Golden
Gate Neighborhood Improvement Project. [laughter] >> Sorry. May I There you go. Thank you. >> Trying to >> Thank you so much. >> confused me. >> Um I'm sorry if I Happy holidays. Thank you so much for allowing me to come back
and um present to you. Can you hear me? Okay. I got it. Yeah. Okay. I figured out I think you're you're like one of the >> the second time. Yeah. Um so just to remind everyone uh why we're here and how this project got started. It really
originated from um the vision plan and this is the plan that we started with and um it really just like a high level framework and and what what we've done is we are taking a look at feasibility on each one of these streets. We had um several iterations going back to the
residents, working with staff um realigning um really the road several times to see if we can optimize what is um the the the need of this community and that is uh you know parking demand and making sure that we fix um the
drainage needs that's uh within the corridor itself. So last time I was here, I presented to you some concept of typical sections. And so we were able to um take your feedback and really take the feedback of the community, came back and work with staff um you know and to
to really finalize and fine-tune what are the typical sections that we are moving forward with with. And so what you'll see in these two map and this is an overview of all the streets that um that's laid out that's getting something uh different and and within the the
typical section that's um proposed. And what you see between this map and we're going to go one by one and this one is that this one focus on typical sections that has parking availability. And [snorts] what we found is as we came back to the neighbors and as we go out
and we drive the streets and we um survey the streets, we found that there is quite a bit of needs especially on your east west corridor itself. And so uh with that you know I'll go through the typical section some of this might be a repeat from what we presented u
about a month and a half ago. And uh so if there's anything that you need u me to stop and clarify I'm I'm happy to. So, this is what you um typically see, right? This is what you see the majority of the neighborhood. This is what you see on the east west street and is um
that you have 10-ft drive lane, which is um again, it's conservative in a traditional neighborhood street, but what you'll see is bullouts with landscaping on either side and on street parking. So, it's designated so that no car is parking in the middle of the
road. Sometimes you uh if you drive through the neighborhood, you'll see that cars are parking on both sides. So, this is a little more organized, right? Your cars is outside of the travel lane. Um with that, the bowouts in some of these locations, it provides a a couple
opportunities for us. One is um the shorter distance for pedestrian to cross the street. That's that's very important because walkability and and creating a sidewalk network is very important. um that is the focal point of the this project. Uh but it's also give it a
little bit more beautifification at at your entrance and these are your um your features as you on every street. Um and so here you'll also see that maybe there are some streets that does not have parking on both sides. These are some of your north south streets. These are some
of your um primary um I would say um streets that connects the the the neighborhood, right, for for vehicles to be able to get to from one place to the other. The only difference is that there's more place for trees and more more opportunity for trees. So instead
of on street parking, we have replaced those furnishing zones or those parking zones with a landscaping. And as you can see again, you know, very um consistent with the rest of the neighborhood, 6ft sidewalk, uh very generous by the way, uh compared to other communities in
South Florida. Um we also everything is going to be underground with drainage. Um and then of course this allow us to plant more shade trees and that helps with walkability. >> Um >> quick question for you. >> Yes sir. >> On your first section you had the bulb
out shown. Are they just at the intersections or are they scattered throughout the whole parking run? >> They're so we're laying them out as we're speaking right now, but they're scattered throughout um you know your your driveway. So, for example, if you have many driveways that's um right next
to each other, you may not be able to have bulbouts just because it's um >> you know of the the sight distance of each driveway. But whether you have um areas that is a little bit longer, then we'll be able to create a bow out with trees in between. Great. Thanks.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Um, so moving on to I believe this typical section and and what this typical section is and again you in the neighborhood the rightway for the most part is 50 foot right away and there are
some um uh in in your vision plan there are some goals for multimodal just like the El Camino trail. So, this particular um cross-sections um ties into the trail network and allows space for people to walk and bike on that multi-use path uh
fairly fairly easily. So, so we have we know that there's a lot of kids that walk to and from school. There's a few bus stops in the neighborhood. So, this will give them that multimodal needs uh for them to walk to and from their destination. Uh and again, with this particular um typical section, no on
street parking um because we are a geometric constraint. So we are here to provide the best optimal design um based on the need of that one particular section. Um so we do have some areas that are um 75 foot rightway and it's
it's odd right? So um mo for the most part is 50 feet but for uh for this particular um typical section you notice like birch your north south typical section that's um very important because it borders uh the commercial use right you look at the land use and the uh the
redevelopment pattern in the neighborhood itself. there's commercial redevelopment and we've actually sat through um a presentation from a developer in the neighborhood that has come in and presented um you know their project and what they found is that
there are there's a need on the um on the west side for on street parking to support their businesses. So taking that into consideration and taking that feedback, we this typical section aligns with their vision and with the the redevelopment vision um and still
provide open drainage as you see a very generous like 19 ft almost 20 ft of um you know green space for um you know whether if you want to do bioill or just regular drainage swells um and still continue your 10-ft multi-use path um to
provide multimodal access there. Excuse [cough] me. Um, in addition to that, um, there are some space that is, um, and this is really just your El Camino trail. There's some areas that the trail shift away from the rideway and it's closer
to, um, the edge of pavement. Excuse me. Um, um, there is one particular section. This is actually um on the northern side of um the the um this this community that we um found that you need a lot
more parking. So, angle parking warrants and we made um we're laying out the design so that it fits um an angle parking in this um general area. Um and so um so we're down to um and like really Jefferson and this is very
important because Jefferson is um your major east west connection um that carries a lot of traffic right you were Indian Street and Jefferson that really is the two main road that connects um all the way to um outside of this community itself. Uh, but what's really
important about it is that we have to stay consistent with other planning documents that's already in the works, such as a multi-use trail, which is part of your East Coast Greenway bypass um to provide connection into um you know the
US1 corridor to connect all the the um the um the trail network itself. And so for this particular section, we found that um we want to to keep it um very consistent from what's out there right now without disturbing, you know, any
residents, but creating more space so that you can plant more trees where it's feasible. So, as you can see here, we are proposing traffic calming on this particular typical section because we know that there's a need for um you know, traffic mitigation and traffic
calming along this corridor and we see that there are some changes in um in the streets already. And then lastly is your probably the most generous and um section that you have in the the community uh 100 foot right away. So, we have two options. Last time we presented
um a couple and so um so this is what you've seen um before like multi-use path on the outside uh 11 drive lane no on street parking because this is your through street right this is the street that um people connects to um in and out
of this community. So, we want it to be more of a um uh like a faster pace road and so the landscape median and the parkway could be turned into swailes as well to u for water treatment. And so we found this as um your your your main
gateway and part of your vision plan is to create a gateway of landscape median within this area. And so working with your public works department um they have recommended um an alternative typical section. Also um this is what we called a um a boulevard design where
your center to center turn lane is carries the most traffic and then on the outside you have what we call a local road. um that is uh if you are a resident that's living on that side street, you can walk, bike and use this space without ever impacting the through
um throughput of uh the cut through traffic that's you know um of this area. So this is the only thing that's different from the last time we presented um here and so um and then that's I I'll pause there if you have any questions.
>> Quick question. Yeah, it looks like the parking for those areas are from the local lanes. Is that accurate? >> Yes, that's correct. You can only access the on street parking their parallel on street parking and you can only access it from um the service road itself.
>> And then this Sorry, go ahead. >> Yeah. >> And then this section is designed to go from Dixie East. >> Um yes. Uh I would say um the the entire length. >> Okay. So, Dixie Golden Gate.
>> I have a question. Um, when we're talking about landscaping and putting trees in these sidewalk areas, >> are we taking into consideration utilities? Because I mean, yeah, I walk Savannah Road every single day and they have absolutely I mean, they may as well
just take those trees down. They have butchered them. They should never have planted those trees in front of the power lines to begin with. And that it's just it's completely pointless. Those trees are going to die eventually. uh you know is that being taken into consideration because putting trees
underneath power lines is a really bad idea especially in Florida. >> So um so you see on this particular um typical section we actually have um survey they're a little older survey but we have survey of underground utilities your wet utilities um and so we
considered where the placement of those um your water and your shoreline as we proposed um where the trees could be uh on this typical section here. >> Yeah. What about power lines? >> The power line itself, and I understand it's uh it could be tricky. So, um if you go into this particular um typical
section where we know that there's a utilities line on the right side of the street, what we're proposing here is undergrounding for um decorative uh lighting itself. And and again, you know, the your landscape architect can design um there may be smaller trees that you can plant underneath like um
silver buttonwood. They're they're smaller, but they're quaint and they they certainly can be planted underneath a power line. Not the shade that we envision, but they are >> Well, that's why I'm I'm looking at all these trees in this plan, and they all look like there's some kind of, you know, e oak tree. And like I said, I
mean, and they Yes, they provide wonderful shade, but not if they're underneath a power line. And I just I hate to see money wasted. I mean, either we're going to underground the power lines or you put something in there that's appropriate. I mean, just the maintenance alone, it took them over a
week and a half to clear Savannah Road, and it's butchered completely. If you haven't driven it, it's awful. >> So, if you look um Cindy at uh Map Road, for example, >> uh we tried to put the right trees in there because one side of the street is power lines. We haven't had any issues
that I know of at this point. So, that's been a few years down the road. We're still okay. Uh because we did take that into consideration. And honestly, we are going to try to underground as much as we can. We try to do that in every project just because of this reason. Um,
so we will make sure to put the right tree in the right place. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up. >> Of course, the undergrounding is great. It's important, but you can't put the undergrounding where the trees are going to go. So that that again, obviously, you got to take >> there's a lot of coordination. Yeah.
That has to happen. And FPNL also has their own schedule. So >> yeah. Yeah. That's a little bit challenging as well, >> but it's good. I admire the the the um objective of all the tree planting cuz it is important for the shade and all
the other beneficial neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. >> Just don't plant avocado. [laughter] >> I think uh my husband woke up in plant sort of native, you know, ones trees that as good for the environment and lots of shades. Uh but and again all
of this is out of the vision plan itself. Um so we uh this is aspirational planning and we have to plan for what the community asks for and so um we put package all this information together and um you know present it to you. >> Um
>> and it it sounds like you've already looked into future plans what they're planning you know down the road to make sure that we don't have to uproot and take everything out and then have to redo it again. Um, you did mention that earlier, which is nice. I'm curious how the community responded.
>> Um, I think the, um, I mean, I would, uh, defer to, you [laughter] know, our representative, but overall, I >> praying, let's put it this way, we all praying and looking forward to it. A couple things, you know, I just told her about like mailboxes. Sometimes they in
the way and trash cans, those, you know, they throw them on the site. So maybe with the, you know, things get fixed, maybe they will keep their trash can closer and all that. But rest, everybody's looking forward to it.
>> Yep. >> Yeah. >> One of the biggest feedback that we received from the community as we went back several times is that um on street parking is see how we can maximize on street parking where feasible. And so, you know, it's um we are a little behind
on our schedule. It's because we had to go back and redesign based on the community asked and um their needs. And so that deviates just a little bit from the vision plan, but it's still very important because it's a it still is cohesive with the vision. >> I'm not very big fan of an on street
parking because sometimes when they parking on the street, you get somebody else who come and do parallel parking >> and a lot of them they do that and that just really maybe hopefully by getting it organized maybe they will follow the rules. I don't think
>> Well, and these look pretty specific, like you'd have to park a certain way. >> Um, my last question is is there was a concern about traffic flow at the end of a couple streets to be able to turn around or something. >> Yeah. Um, yes, that was a a concern um
that we discussed. Um so ultimately that we uh we looked into the feasibility of culac um and so to for a traditional neighborhood um it's not feasible unless we purchase property and there's got to be some consideration for rightway
acquisition. Um so what we would be signing right what we would be designing and signing the road for is a three-point turn which is very traditional in um these older neighborhood so that people can turn around but um you know that's that's the sacrifice. It's a rightaway constraint.
You're really at a a tea a dead end. So for you to um design for culac we would have to take out multiple properties at the end um to >> and my street is just the park. You can have that piece and we give you another piece. Please, if you can manage it and
we talked about it before we, you know, when we had the charade and stuff, but curious, it's going to be the answer because you don't know what the traffic we get in every day. People just come to your driveway and back off and you just
they even broke the mailbox. What are you going to tell them? No, just really is is not is not being nice. >> And again, I'm I'm happy to lay out your street to see um if there's any rightaway dedication that the neighbors
would like to give to the county. It's to make it feasible. I think that'll be um you know, >> I have no problem giving, you know, in mine, we we don't have no problem just long as these people stop turning in our driveway and breaking our mailbox. Would
that be an easement? >> It it would uh No, >> it would have to be donation. >> You'd have to own the property. The county would have >> Well, I don't Part of the issue, Bert, would be that if the property owner gave us an easement and then people are driving over that all the time, it's
their liability if anything happens. >> The homeowners, >> correct? And they're still paying taxes on that property. So, most people would not prefer to do that. So, right away, donation is really the only way. And just I I'll just mention also that in
our land development regulations, culde-sacs are not allowed in CRAAS. >> So that's also an issue. It's not an issue in this area, uh, Cadilla, because there just isn't the property. We can't go into the storm water treatment area,
right, which is right there. We can't use any of that property. So you'd have to give up your front yard and your neighbor across the street would have to give up all of theirs. [laughter] I'm not sure you're going to get them to do that, but it's just unfortunate that
those are the constraints that you have right there. And I and I can't speak for the other streets. Um, but I don't think they have no right away either. It's all personal. It's all private property. Do >> you have room for like a tea turnaround or some kind of other
>> That's We're trying to do that if possible. >> We'll like because we're redesigning the the streets um again. So, we'll uh we'll look at some of these intersections. >> We'll try to make it as as >> I have an idea if you come over and I'll show you. There are [clears throat]
I mean, seriously, when you're sleeping and somebody is just >> I I I understand your >> Hershey bakes cookies. So, [laughter] >> that's a true rumor, by the not a rumor, that's true. Yeah, >> we will uh we're going to look at your >> I didn't make no cookies this time.
[laughter] not even a cake but oh well. >> So uh moving on to the gateway features uh and again you've seen some of this already from last time as um our because part of the vision plan is maybe there are some gateways within the the
community um that would be feasible. Um and we looked at what street would um you know can receive something that's so grand that becomes your focal point. And um within the vision plan itself there um some areas uh have more constraints than others but we went ahead and uh we
take into these inspiration um and and really it's your Spanish revival um like as this this architectural style and it was really important because there's like a boom in you know real estate in Florida in the 1920s. So, a lot of these historical home and arches were designed
and so beautifully and so we take these into consideration and we work with staff um to come up with um something that is you've seen as inspiration within the Golden Gate already and uh creating something that could be a um a
one gateway feature that is feasible um in and this is really on Indian because this has the most rightway that we can um receive such a grant. and um structure like this. Um so um I'm here to present this concept. So if you guys have any comments,
>> that's cool. >> I like it. >> Mhm. >> Just take out the smaller little sign that's there. And basically >> this is a architectural um you know conceptual design um for us to think uh
about what style we uh we like to consider. But once your architect takes um this concept, he or she can um you know design two scale on exactly what it looks like. Uh but we we rendered it when we built this actually in a 3D model of the entire neighborhood
already. But we built this two scale that if if and when your architect takes over, we're happy to give them our 3D model for them to work on the structural details. >> And I don't know that this would be on Dixie. The monument signs on Dixie
>> Indian. There's a there's a monument, >> but it's a small one. This may be further back into the neighborhood. So maybe we'll keep both. >> Like a front the sign we have already. >> H >> like a front of the sign we have already. >> I I don't I don't know that it would be
that close to Dixie. It might be further in. We'll have to see what you know what street gives us the most land >> to build on. What cross street? >> Yeah. And and some and again you know it's a rightway constraint. Um and so we
>> we look at opportunities um you know I have some other ideas to take maybe just the pillars as um for other gateways in within the neighborhood itself um maybe the center of the roundabouts or and so we'll we'll come up with another concept
um for staff to reconsider. Again, this all this remember all of this is uh for us to get excited about a vision that actually um can be buildable and for us to take it and apply for the build grant which the NOFO was just released this week. So, uh we're very excited about
that as well. >> Uh you went through all the sections, but um and the map was your first item. Can you just spend a minute looking at the map and just which which section was where? because the Yeah, perfect.
>> Absolutely. This is the overview and um I actually printed this presentation out so I'm I'm happy to give you a physical copy so that you can see it. I know it's it could be difficult. Um >> yeah, I only have one. I'm sorry. >> Cuz the majority of the streets are that
section one parking sides. >> The only the only thing that's really different because this is your 50ft rideway right here. The only thing that's different between this section and that section is uh if you look on screen here, these have on street parking and the dark green does not have
on street parking. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And again, we did um as part of the study, we did a parking study. Um we counted on street parking, daytime, nighttime, and on the weekend. Um and then in addition to that, we received feedback from the residents um to add
and and you know delete um in certain sections to come up with this plan. >> And then the bright green, the diagonal parking is only just the one small section. >> That's the um angle parking for the apartment complex that we need more parking in that area. Yes. 75 foot right away. That's
>> and then the section two, the 75 foot's also a small All the 75 is just not much, is it? They're um they're really just a small section for a commamino and birch. >> Yeah. >> And then the hundred is Jefferson as did you say and >> the 100 is
>> Yep. And so we broke it out. Jefferson's 80. >> Oh 80. >> Mhm. And then um Indian is 100. That's the only thing that's different. >> And the Indian was the median with the local travel lanes. >> So the Indian street um itself here it's
like two concepts. So um one which is um a median landscaping no on street parking right as your um just think of it as your gateway street itself and the other concept which u we take into consideration of staff's comment is to
provide um this type of design where you have a service road on um either side that's >> so would that be in both both of those section on Indian street or would you choose one or the other? You have to choose one over the other. Okay. >> And we will be looking for a recommendation from you guys
>> as far as which one >> on Yes. Uh as far as which you prefer uh on Indian. >> So there's enough space to do this 100 foot all the way from Dixie all the way into wherever it turns. >> No, >> for the most part
>> to Golden Gate. Oh, okay. >> The bridge. >> Okay. only to Golden Gate because once you get um guess east of Golden Gate there's you know >> there's no space. Oh, you're out of the CRA. >> Okay. >> And some of the comments that we heard from the residents and the businesses
were that it's commercial and residential on Indian. So the residential folks didn't want it to be too commercial and the businesses wanted additional parking. So this was a nice idea uh to accommodate both.
>> Yep. >> So I would need a recommendation from you all on that. A motion on that and also if you would uh a motion on the gateway feature that you like. I think you showed three. >> We showed one. >> That's what I thought.
>> We we showed the idea. We showed the inspiration and then we showed one gate gateway features. >> Well, then that's the one you'll recommend. No, I'm teasing. >> Does anybody have comments on the sections? Because I think there's a, you know, a pretty good [clears throat] difference between the two, you know,
and the amount of paving and the amount of space that the residences have. And it seems to me there's a pretty good size difference. M >> I would be concerned about I mean I realize that it's still right of way but you know when I look at this again I do
a lot of walking and so you see they have room on the right hand side you see they have room for one vehicle in that driveway before you hit a 10-ft bike path. I guarantee you most homes have two to three cars. The second or third car is going to be parked in that
multi-use pathway. So, if I were looking at these things and wanted to look at that multi-use pathway should really be closer to the curbing because people are going to be walking in people's yards or having to navigate around the cars that are parked
in that pathway. >> Yep. >> You know, personally, I think we should follow, you know, like you see down from us the Indian Street, they all have it on this side and so we just keep going the same thing.
So Cindy, are you saying that? Um, so which one are you saying you prefer? >> Well, you know, and I from here it looks like a right side where you >> this one. Yeah, >> the VIP whatever they call them the you know where because that's where a lot of
uh >> businesses I see. >> This one it looks like you'd be parking in that pathway. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But the other one gives you more opportunity. >> Can you show me the other one, please? Yeah, absolutely. >> This one gives you more opportunity.
>> It's it's still >> park across the street from your house. >> If you look at that truck or on the service road, >> you look at the truck parked in that driveway in the second house in the back. >> Yeah. >> The second vehicle parking behind that is going to be parking in that walkway. >> Right. Both of them seem to have that constraint, but this one at least you
have on street parking in front of your house. >> True. But, you know, I don't know. I just think for a flow of traffic and somebody not getting hurt and you know a kid riding a
bicycle and the car pulling it's just I just it's I've seen it. I've you know when I like I said I've seen I walk a lot of different neighborhoods. I see a lot of different things and it's it just you see that have the shorter you the more right of way you take from in front
of these houses the less parking there is in the driveways and they're going to be parking in those multi-use lanes. >> So that would be either one of these >> either one of them >> and the location of the multi-use lane that you exactly should be closer to the roadway
>> to eliminate that use. So would Cindy would cutting 5T out of the parkway and moving the multi-use path that way open it up a little bit. >> I think it would help. Yeah. I mean it would certainly it would certainly help. Um or even cutting out 10 feet of the
parkway and you know putting the mot and 10 feet on the other side. You could still put trees on either side, but I just think it's way topheavy towards the front of the houses and that's going to cause an issue with people that have multiple
cars that are parking. Even with the on street parking, because the on street parking, you've got two spots for how many houses? They're still going to be parking in their driveways and they're going to be parking on those multi-use paths. >> So, just to bring it back to Indian Street, it's not all residential. It's
not like Jefferson where it's completely residential. So that it's I mean both are good. [laughter] >> Well, you know, it's like both serve a purpose. >> Yeah. And maybe it's a if it's if one site is commercial and the other side is residential, then maybe the commercial
site is designed a particular way. I mean, I know it's not >> know that it's that clean. >> I know. But um yeah, it's uh it depends on your development pattern. That's uh you know what how people are interested in and coming in. Um, so I I can tell you that I I personally have a
preference. Um, and it's um, one is that I know um, personally for me when I uh, do any kind of design, I like to put the multi-use path or a sidewalk at the rightway because that's the furthest distance from a moving vehicle on street. That's that's uh, you know, that's what they taught us. It's u from
from a safety standpoint. two is that um at this particular section is that we have to think about like drainage and water treatment also. This gives us the most green space for us to do bioell and treat the water because um you know we also calculate how much runoff right
because we're adding a lot of impervious area we're adding a lot of runoff and it's going to go to into a storm drain system and does our existing uh like SDA does that support it? So when I think about um Indian street, I think about all the green and luscious space and uh
even though it's a landscape median, I think of it as a bioell, which you you know, we're building this and we're constructing this on uh in the El Camino um itself already. So we know it works. Um it's it's a great project. So in in this particular design like that you see
here. Um so we capture um we're talking about uh 52 feet of green space that we can cap recapture for um storm water treatment. So those are the trade-offs that we have and and of course like and again the trade-off for this particular
um cross-section u or typical section here is that um you really keep the local traffic to the local right it's it's um you have a landscape median u whether let's say you don't have um parking but you can have a landscape
median that is um you know 214T 28T throughout the the entire section that you can do shade trees that you can do a lot of um design different design features here. Um the only thing that's difference in this particular design I see u even though we call it a 10-ft
multiuse path, it's really not 10 feet, it's more like 8 feet, sometimes six feet because think about our mailboxes and our what we call our furnishing zones, right? Our signage, our um garbage can, where we put our our our things, our essentials. Um so it really
doesn't function like a multi-use path as it should. Um so if um and you got to think about like the values of what you want in in this particular neighborhood if we um we prioritize pedestrian and multimodal um or gateway you know there's like different elements to this
um and that will give you the option. So for this particular section uh what your value will be um like a a throughput like a um creating uh your drive [snorts] lane so that you can have throughput in and out and then your neighbors right your neighbors that's on either side doesn't feel that effect but
they still have a local street that they can move in and out of their um their driveway with um that they feel a little more safe. um in this particular um section like uh you know still accomplish the same and similar um elements but you have more space for
greenery and become a real gateway and this actually is more aligned with your gateway vision because it's not the gateway is not just the structure it's the landscape um along this corridor as well. >> Yes ma'am. >> Okay. Um [clears throat] so just just
two things on the slide um for the second option. The spaces that are in front of the home would not technically be designated solely for their home. So businesses, you know, could have theirs, you know
what I mean? However, your option of your slide number one, uh the first option, if we can go back to that one, [clears throat] at least in that section where it's the 20 foot parkway, that is still like their park, you know,
their driveway. >> It is now, >> you know, so they would be able to park another vehicle or two depending on how wide it is. >> And and depends on what type of redevelopment. Um but you can also do angle parking. You can also do um you know depends on
>> but I'm saying they will be probably a little more comfortable because it would be designated in front of their home. You wouldn't have a businesses coming and parking their vehicles you know there >> um in in their driveway. Now the other thing um
I do like the green space. I do like a lot of the shade tree and everything. >> Me too. >> Personally I think this seems to be a little safer. [laughter] [gasps] Um, I like the concept of the other one, but I just think so ultimately what did
the community really between these two options? What what were they looking for? Did they like >> number one >> the community went with number one? >> I think no tonight. >> Uh, tonight we have a meeting. That's right. >> Oh, well, it'd be nice to have the
community feedback, you know, before we made a decision. So my only concern with number one is how far the traffic is going to back up from Dixie East >> because right now when you come off of what St. Lucy Boulevard and it turns into Indian and it goes to two lanes,
those two lanes fill up pretty well. And now if we're going to knock a D down to one lane, you're going to have 50 cars in line trying to get through a stoplight for god knows how long. Um >> they'll be right and left turn lanes though, right? >> Yeah. So um so we actually c um capture
or collected traffic data um along this corridor and it was like a surprise for all of us also. It's um very low in our opinion. It's like I believe it's like in the 3000s. It's less than 10,000. That's that's like our our big challenge um is that um really capacity for any
roadway is really at being controlled at the intersection your signalized intersection. So what we're proposing is still maintain the intersection as is with left turn and right turn movements. So your backup is based on your u signal timing on how much cars and flow you
know you're allocating how much cars you can flush through the intersection and and but really what's most important is um and it's more closer to the gateway feature um that you see is that um you're going to need a a a nice left turn lane because that's what's really
going to back up. your right turn lane can have a free flowing movement. Um, so we are proposing to maintain an extended left turn lane at that location >> extended from its current size. >> Yeah. And we're going to have to do like an intersection analysis to determine what's your queue length and um how much
signal how much time you're allocating for the intersection. But all of that can be, you know, it's it's a balance. So your cycle length um I'm getting deep into the traffic engineering part of this, but it's you only like just like how we only have 24hour in the day. So a signal or an intersection only have so
many seconds in a cycle. So you as a community gets to decide on how many seconds you allocate to that left turn to flush that movement. So if you have a long left turn cycle, then you can have a longer left turn length. Uh if not, then it doesn't matter how long it is.
If you can only get three cars to make a left turn, doesn't matter. >> Doesn't work. >> Wait longer. >> You just have to wait a little longer. Yeah. So >> I can say the timing there. It would be nice for it to be a little longer. So they'll do all that analysis. I'm sure. >> I'm sure. >> You know, don't forget we have two of them. We have A1A on this side and then
is Indian Street coming. Our traffic come from St. Lucy Boulevard down and of course the Golden Gate and you get hopefully with the Camino may alleviate all those bicycles and all that thinking. >> Yeah. One other quick comment about the
sections is the backup from someone's driveway without in in that section that person would be backing out of their garage into the travel lanes. So with the other um section, you'd at least be
backing into the local lane. And um so there are some benefits in in that regard. This one though, I think you're right about uh parking in the 20oot section. You could park your your cars there. Um, >> you may still end up having people park
in in the uh >> use they're going to do it. I I mean >> people park they park on sidewalks along Gomez at my neighborhood. It's a sixoot sidewalk and I'm like for that where is the woman with a stroller going to go? >> Yeah. >> Hopefully they start patrolling.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. And so >> anyway, I I I think this is a a little tricky decision here on what really is the best uh the best solution. It's it's a difficult one in my mind. >> I'd like to hear what the residents
>> I have to say. >> I have to say >> that's mine. >> So can we wait, Susan? >> Um no. >> No. [laughter] Okay. We got >> Actually, no. And and just to be uh
I mean you'll get the NAC members but we don't have a robust um >> no attendance >> attendance at Golden Gate. So whoever will be attending the meeting tonight. I'm not sure if all of them will be.
You'll get six opinions. >> Can we see the other section again? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> And >> I'm kind of torn myself. I >> I am too. >> Um how do you feel? Yeah, I like this one. You live there? >> I like number one and because we do have some businesses on the beginning uh of
the Indian street. >> So number one and I like the idea about having the median like we do now with the sign and all that. So >> yeah, my concern with the second section
too is if I am on the furthest house to the west and I want to go west, I'm going to have to go all the way east and turn around to go all the way back west. And that would irritate the living daylights out
of me. [laughter] Just throwing it out there. >> Yeah, but we have the dividers on the streets. >> Yeah, the circulate. Yeah, but you can't you can't cut through. So, from a safety standpoint, you're absolutely right. >> You will be um a little irritated because it's the flow, the movement, the
>> there's just a one at the beginning and one at the end. No, multiple cuts. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because that's how you're able it's it's a boulevard design. It's um you know the shams, right? That's that's the inspiration. >> That would be nice. Um but uh that it's
there are constraint um in this particular section. How you turn around is uh we have median cut um cutouts um in in some area because we want a continuous medians but we're also having um like uh basically you can there's
roundabouts at every intersection that you can do your U-turn. So >> So you're right Cindy. If someone's traveling in this righthand lane and they would live on the left side >> Mhm. >> they got to go find a cutth through. >> Mhm. Well, we have plenty of them. >> It's gritted. The the neighborhood's
very gritted. Um it's >> I mean we have plenty of >> plenty of cutthroughs. >> Cut through specifically >> and people learn where they are and that does cut down traffic in the neighborhood which is not a bad thing. >> We we have one section called Norman.
That's the only one on this side, you know, it's not like on the other on >> your streets. Um, these are 900 ft blocks. Um, about 900 ft to 1,000 block and we're proposing one cut like median cut in the in the middle. So, there's always a a way for you to
>> So, every 450? >> Yeah. >> No, one one. >> Yeah. One. So, you can you can still access at every intersection, right? Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're not we're not blocking access at the intersection. [laughter] not proposing that. Yep.
>> Any other thoughts? >> Anybody? >> Any other? >> So, I'm I'm because she lives there and she likes number one more. And for me, I like the whole parking idea where I could possibly control have a little
more control in my own driveway. Um, yeah. >> Look, we live >> is that a motion? [laughter] >> We live on a dead end and people park. All right, Jamie. >> We get a second >> for number one. >> I'll second that.
>> Any other discussion? >> All in favor? >> I >> I. >> Anybody opposed? >> All right. Number one. >> Look at you guys. >> How about the uh gateway? We need have a motion on that, right? I think it's a cool idea. >> Yeah, I'd like to. >> Okay.
>> I mean, it may it may not look like this, but I love the idea. >> Yep. So we were we received inspiration from other structures in um in the the neighborhood and um so taking just bits and pieces in um the Golden Gate um and within surrounding area and stay
consistent to the architectural style um you know we came up with this concept. >> Yeah. It looks like it matches the building does match the building. Yeah. >> Our community is going to look fancy. >> Yes. >> Is it going to bring it? [laughter] >> Yeah. Just out of curiosity, how is this
being funded? >> Cadilla will have the button at [laughter] home. >> No, I'm giving up. >> Curious, how is this being funded? >> The gateway. >> Um, we it's all incorporated into the build grant as part of the road section,
the whole thing. >> Okay, got it. I'm good. As long as there's a grant involved, I'm good. >> Right. We had to plan every details and then quantify it and then you know >> so I move that we move forward with the gateway concept for uh the Golden Gate
project to be included into the grant options. >> Second >> second. >> Any comments? >> All in favor? >> I. >> Anyone post? >> All right. >> All right. >> Great. >> I think it sounds really cool. Well, thank you so much for allowing how long
it's going to take for your work. Three, three years, maybe. [laughter] >> Oh, >> well, maybe next year. >> Yeah, right. >> No way. Five years. >> Do you need this back? >> I'm good. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for all your work. It was great.
>> No, Mr. Chair, if you wouldn't mind, I just have a couple of updates. >> Okay. >> Um, very quick. We are in fact uh cancelling our December 15th meeting uh because we've taken care of really what we needed to today. So that uh don't
come on the 15th and if you do bring cookies and we'll let you in. Um just to remind everybody to please answer the quorum call. Make sure that Diane that you're replying to Diane, not just to me so she gets that. I reply to whomever
sends it to me. >> Perfect. That works. >> I don't get them. >> Um but we need we need to know because otherwise we we end up calling everybody every month and >> yeah um
>> and that's it. That was it for me. And happy holidays because I probably won't see you before Christmas. >> Is any way you can get the ID to come and explain to us how to get to our emails? I I don't Cydia I I can have her
call you again. I don't know that she's going to come to your house. >> I didn't say my house. I'm talking here when we all together because >> So to have her come to a meeting >> to meeting and >> and explain to us. I mean because I'm sure I'm not the only one. >> Oh no. I can't access my emails either.
>> You see you have a laptop. >> Is it a laptop? >> I can. I have the iPad. [laughter] That's what I use. >> You use the iPad? >> Yeah. And I have a >> Just bring it with you. And I have a U. >> So we can do that. I can ask her to come to the next meeting which would be in
January. >> You have a laptop, Cindy? How do you >> Well, I I have both laptop and desktop >> and walk through. So do you want her to walk through how to do it on an iPad and how to do it on a laptop? >> Is that would that help? Like I said, I
I think honestly I think it's a browser issue and my computers will not allow me to access the other kind of browsers that they keep telling me to use. >> Is it a Mac or a PC? >> No PC, >> but they keep wanting no I don't use any
I actually use uh I use duck.go through Google and so it won't it just won't come through. I've tried everything and what it does is that if I try to if I get into that it shuts down all my other emails and those are my business emails. You can't you can't download another browser and use that just for your CRA
stuff. >> Yeah, it messes up everything else in my computer. >> I don't have an answer for that. [laughter] >> I I don't know what to say. >> You know, Microsoft, that's the one who they she recommended when she talked to me and I have that. I have no problem with
>> Well, I I'm happy to ask her to come and walk through it. >> I don't think it needs to be part of a formal meeting. I'd be more than happy to meet somebody here and bring my laptop in and have them. Me, too. I I mean I don't want it to take up meeting time, >> okay? >> But I'd be more than happy to come in and have somebody because I'd love to be
able to >> also on the telephone a lot of people look at I look at my email through my phone because >> Okay, >> I have a desktop. I have an iPod. >> Leave me kind of Okay, so we're going to set up a meeting
with it and Cindy and Sadia. Anybody else need to be included? No, we're good. Okay. >> From what I understand, the historic preservation board, they have problems, too. >> All right. Great. So, we still have a public comment section. Is anybody
interested in speaking to any items? >> I don't see anybody. We have a member section. Any members? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Just wanted to report that the um tree of lights is now lit in Port Solerno. Um the community came out and they sort of
fixed it all up. I think it was Save Our Solerno organization that did it and it is now lit every night. So, >> fantastic. >> Is that across from the fire station? Is that where that one is? >> Uh, just stop a little bit across from post office. >> Post office. >> I heard it looks almost as cool as the
circle in the roundabout at [laughter] >> They should put it in a circle roundabout instead going on here >> instead of God sell signs and all that. I like that. And tomorrow night at 6 pm is the tree lighting in downtown Jensen Beach. >> They should drive by Ryo on their way to
that to check out the >> Exactly. Right. So there you go. >> Yes. I actually should have announced that. I'm so sorry that I did not. But I will say that in Palm City on the third is the Christmas village. What else do we have to say? Steuart parade is the fifth.
>> Hope Sound is the sixth. >> Indian Town >> and then everybody stay home after that. We don't have a parade in Rio. So, I'll vote parade on Saturday. That's You're welcome. >> That's my friend Nancy. [laughter] >> Yes. >> Okay. Any other No more staff comments. All right. Art and Public Places. Can we
give a couple five minutes before we start? >> Yeah, we start at four. Oh, it's four. Yes. Yeah, we can we can do a couple minutes. Yeah, we'll need a break for them to >> set up. >> Okay, great. >> So, we'll come back at 410. Is that enough?
>> Is that good? Okay. 14.