Um, I'm calling the meeting to order. Please join me for a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance which will be led by John Spar Sparaga. >> Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Sir, tell us a little bit about your >> Okay. >> I thought I was sneaking off there. >> No, you No, you're not letting that go
that easy. Yes. Get away. >> Yeah. I I've been known to be too brief, I guess. Um, I served from 2010 to 2014 in the Air Force. Uh, currently I work Martin County BOCC as a veteran service officer and we help veterans and their
family members obtain VA benefits that they might be entitled to as well as any state benefits. Uh, it's a very rewarding career. Um, it's probably my my favorite job that I've had since getting out of the military is uh being able to give back to the veterans in
Martin County. So, uh, appreciate you guys giving us the opportunity to do that. >> And we salute you. >> It was uh there are a number of presets today. At 9:30, we will have our legislative update. At 9:05, we'll have public
comment. At 1:30, we will have consideration of an unsolicited proposal for a public private partnership. At 1:35, we'll have an another evaluation of an unsolicited proposal for a public private partnership. At 50:05, we will
have uh discussion on accessory dwelling units text amendment. At 50:05, we will conclude with public comment. Now, we will take up public comment. The first request to speak I form I have is from Jackie Thurlo Lipish. Would you like to
speak now? Okay. Excellent. Followed by Greg Braun. Sure. Hello honorable commissioners and uh staff. Jackie Thurlo Lipish. Uh nice to be here again. I guess um I am a
long-term resident of Martin County. In fact, a lifetime resident. My family's been here since 1952 and my mother is the local historian for Martin County. I um am heavily invested in Martin County. I have run for county
commission in the past. I um served on the South Florida Water Management District for four and a half years with my whole heart. And um I have grown up surrounded by the waters of the St. Lucy River which brought me so much closer to
God and to um the beauty of this place my whole life. I am very um excited to have joined the guardians board uh just recently and I'm back >> and um I feel that that is a good place
for me in my older age and um I' I'd like to just you know sometimes the most powerful thing you can do is use the same words that were said by you. And so I'm just going to
say a few of the words to you that were written in a letter on April 7th by Mr. Donaldson to Drew Bartlett who was my executive director um when I was at the South Florida Water Management District about Chanty Bay Ranch, a slaughterhouse
that is um proposed on the edge of Lake Okachchobee. Um the reality is we all eat meat and it is a kosher um site which is better than most of course. Um however that FDAX
would preempt this county from having any input into that is unacceptable. Unacceptable. And we are living in an age where from the top down people are telling us what we cannot do in our
local governments. And we've always had that right. It's a constitutional right within our state. So I'm just going to use a few words which I think for the public will be powerful if they haven't heard them. And these were from Mr. Donaldson.
According to the EPA, an environmental integrity project, the meat and poultry project industry is among the largest sources of industrial nutrient pollution in the United States. US risk from this slaughter from a slaughter house include
water contamination. Meat processing wastewater contains blood, feces, oil, grease, ammonia and antibiotic residues which contribute to the utrication and harmful algae blooms including toxic
cyanobacteria. Cyanotoxins cannot be removed via standard wastewater treatment. goes on and on and on. We know this. Please
speak up on the behalf of Martin County residents for our good nature. Thank you. >> Thank you. Greg Braun is next. Greg, would you like to speak now or the department?
>> Okay. Sam Haye is next followed by Barbara Birdsy. Would you like to speak now, Miss Birdsy? Good morning. I'm Sam Haye. I have the privilege of living in Port Verno. I am feeling alarmed at the reported prospect of a slaughter house being
constructed on a ranch in the northwestern corner of our county. While I have no particular objection to the processing of meat, the location of such a facility in Martin County does pose the potential for significant environmental and health risk. My main
concerns have to do with our water, always a critical issue in our county. It has been reported that the South South Florida Water Management District has permitted the proposed facility to withdraw 6 uh 6.7 million gallons from
the underlying aquifer over a span of 20 years. This in spite of the increasing threat of saltwater intrusion in our poorest geologic geological structure. A related concern is of course the potential for the operations of an
abbittoire to generate further contamination of our water both above and below ground. The proposed abbittoire would be located very near Lake Oki Chobee already the source of water wos our community has suffered for years on end.
It is my understanding that the Florida Department of Agriculture has determined that our county is preempted from reviewing the slaughterhouse facility for compliance with our comprehensive plan and environmental regulations under
state right to farm legislation. To me, this seems illogical as as such a facility appears not so much a farming project as an industrial enterprise. I am not conversant with the complex network of laws and regulations involved
with this issue, many of which have no doubt been adopted for the benefit of well-placed property owners to the disadvantage of the broader public good. I do believe, however, that the county government has a duty to exert its
authority of oversight to ensure that the proposed abattoire, if constructed, operates in such a way as not to contribute to the further degradation of our water resources. particularly considering how lacks state
level environmental protection has been in recent years. I believe all Mountain County residents will be grateful to the commission for your serious attention and oversight to this matter. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Barbara Birdsy is next, followed by Vera
Castlebury. >> Good morning. I'm Barbara Birdsy from Hope Sound. I've been around here for quite a while. So, uh, lovely to see you all this morning. I'm here to speak on, of course, about the proposed
slaughterhouse. I have many concerns about it. You'll hear from many other people, I'm sure, what all of the pollutant and uh water issues are. I have uh another concern regarding such a
huge project and that is oversight um about the animal welfare part of this. There will be thousands of animals involved. Uh and I question where the oversight for not only cruelty to the
animals will be but also for the workers. It's a very um tough job. Many people get injured in this kind of work and there's lots of opportunity for cruelty to happen.
I'm further concerned. This morning, I got a uh a memo from the Center for Biological Diversity uh quoting a law that's in the works that would uh mandate that Florida
State Parks be open for cattle ranching. And I would love to have further input from this body um how that would uh affect Martin County. Uh it's House Bill
1421 and Senate Bill 1658. So thank you very much. >> Thank you. Mira Castlebury is next followed by Jim Moyer.
Good morning, commissioners. My name is Vera Castleberry. I'm a full-time resident of Hope Sound for 23 years, and I would just like to read a brief comment regarding Chanse Bay.
I'm here to speak about my serious concerns regarding the Chanse Bay slaughterhouse. It's a 26 acre slaughterhouse which is indeed an industrial complex. As you know, in November of 24, 63.93%
of your constituents passed the referendum for the halfsent sales tax to fund Martin County forever. You know, Martin County is deeply, deeply
caring about our precious environment. The lack of transparency of this development has raised serious and numerous red flags. One is the effect on water quality like others have been expressing to you. Like you, clean water
is critical for our very existence. Clean water is a life ordeath issue for our treasured floor and fauna. Chansy Bay Slaughterhouse, according to position papers and investigative reporting, states that this facility
would cause the degradation of our water quality for several reasons, but especially because it is situated in the Lake Okachchobee watershed, which is already designated impaired.
As reported, this project has zero water quality monitoring in place. Zero. I believe you know what actions need to take place to prevent this type of situation
from happening in the future and I ask you to please move forward with whatever was is in your purview and let's not allow anything like an
industrial complex to be built and affect so many different areas of our community, but especially water quality. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And Moyer is next, followed by Anthony Zunino.
>> I always see you brown. I didn't know you are. >> You didn't know I was >> impaired. Um, good good morning commissioners. My name is Jim Moyer. I'm a resident of Martin County, Rocky Point. I'm also the Indian Riverkeeper. The Water Keepers
Alliance has uh almost 200 water keepers in the country. Uh, slaughter houses, uh, packing houses and cathols have been identified as primary sources of nutrient pollution across the country and around the world. This is an
industrial site that we do not have the capacity for wastewater treatment for. Nobody in the region has the capacity for the wastewater treatment that this facility would require. It's it's important that when we start to think
about, you know, allowing job creation in Western Martin County that we take into consideration what the capacity of Western Martin County is to handle the industrial waste that this kind of facility would provide. Clearly, the
comp plan has some stipulations that require that industrial processes on agricultural lands be cared for, and that's the county's responsibility to do that. We are in an era of preeemption across the the federal levels as well as state
levels. It's important for Martin County to take a bold stand here and designate those processes which are industrial not be allowed on agricultural lands. If that is the case, then we need to make sure that we have the capacity to handle
the waste and the water withdrawals that that these facilities would require. It's our it's our prerogative. It's also our our imperative. And I urge you to take that into consideration. And if it requires a revision of the comp plan, then that's what it requires. But take a
bold stand here because this is this is not going to be okay for the future of Martin County. In fact, it's going to be very devastating for the health of Lake Okchobee and the water that we all share. It is not just the water that's underneath one landowner's property. It
is our water and we need to demand healthy and clean water for everybody in the county. Thank you very much for your time this morning. >> Anthony Zunino is next, followed by Mark Perry. >> Good morning. >> Good morning, commissioners. Uh my name
is Tony Senino. I'm president of the Guardians of Martin County. I know you're all familiar with the Tron Bay Ranch situation, but what I'd like to talk about is what exactly this exemption actually means. If the FDACS
lawyers opinion stands, a multi-million dollar commercial processing facility will be constructed and operated in Martin County with no or very little development oversight whatsoever. No building permit, no site plan approval, no driveway permit, no mechanical permit
for refrigeration, no electrical, no plumbing permit, no fire safety or sprinkler review, no windlord certification. And this is Florida, where we design structures to survive hurricanes. No storm water drainage permit from the county. No traffic impact analysis, no environmental
review, no public hearing, no opportunity for a single resident of this county to ask a question or raise a concern before development begins. This is what a blanket agricultural exemption means when it's applied to a commercial
facility of this scale. Every one of these requirements exist for a reason and that reason is the health, safety, and welfare of the people of Martin County. However, the Guardian support the Florida's Right to Farm Act.
We support its purpose completely, but the law was designed to shield for small farmers who is not designated as a sword for well-funded corporate operations to bypass the local regulations that every other resident of this business in this
community must follow. If the standard being set here is that a commercial operation of this scale can claim an agricultural exemption and bypass the entire local development review process, then this board needs to think about what that means for everyone else.
Should the county go back and refund every small farmer nursery operator who paid for development review, building permits, and code compliance? should the county revise the fines that they are leveling on small agricultural operators who did not secure the
required permits. What the guardians are asking respectfully for is that the board seek independent legal review of the FDACS's agricultural exemption claims before relinquishing any regulatory authority.
We ask the board to proceed with this established development review process until these legal questions are resolved. And we ask the board to consider the fairness of this situation, not just for the neighbors of this particular
project, but for every resident and business in Martin County that follows the rules. The Guardians support agriculture. We support businesses. We're not opposed to this facility, but we believe that everyone needs to be a good neighbor. Everyone needs to
demonstrate that their operations will not harm public health or water quality, and everyone needs to pay their fair share. We all have to live together in this community, and the rules that apply to some should apply to all. Thank you
for your time. Mark Perry is next, followed by John Nelson. >> Good morning. >> Good morning, commissioners. Uh Mark Perry, um director of Florida Oceanographic, but also resident of Martin County since 1957.
uh this this project that you're becoming aware of or has been apparently going on for a while is a proposal for the slaughterhouse in that western part of the county up near the lake on Chanty Ranch area that it just I I think it's
just a terrible terrible thing to happen in our community and our county particularly because of the potential for pollution to our waterways like Okachobee and also our groundwater and other water systems that all around Lakeside Ranch. We spent a lot to try to
have clean up the waters through the Lakeside Ranch STAs and working hard to do that for many many years and many of the county has been effortless efforts in doing that. You know, the letters that u are in your packet from Don Donaldson and the county particularly
the one to to the applicant describing the fact that this is not an agricultural use. This is basically an industrial use of this property and that's shouldn't be allowed and without proper permitting for sure which is apparently being preempted by the
Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. So the county needs to stand up with that. And then also that letter that Don put together for the district water management district and D describing that this this again is not an a thing. This is really an
industrial use that needs to be reviewed and permitted by those agencies, but also by the county and not preempted. The fact the county has no say in this matter and they can just go ahead and get this facility done. The pollution that'll come from this is is incredibly
uh massive to our waterways. Um the water wastewater treatment facility, it should be permitted just like a water wastewater plant. They need to demonstrate that they can they can handle all that for this industrial use. And they need to get the land use change
from Martin County, not from FDAX, not permitted by the other agencies. They need to work with all the agencies to get a proper facility permitted if this is something to go forward. But I'm proud of Martin County to stand up and and fight the state on this and say,
"Look, you can't just come into our county and tell us we're going to go ahead and permit this u property use on this property in spite of your, you know, comprehensive plan or your regulations." And I'm proud that Martin County can stand up and I hope we all
do. And if you need more voices, we'll get them because this is not a proper use for this particular property. Thank you. >> Thank you. John Nelson is next, followed by Frank Mcrist. >> Good morning, commissioners.
>> This is kind of a weird situation for me because I actually grew up in a farming community. Um, my family heritage since the late 1800s has been cattle ranching and potato farming in southwestern uh Oregon or southeastern Oregon rather.
and uh I know intimately, you know, what goes on in the cattle industry because of my family family heritage. That said, I've been a Florida resident since 1990 and I've been the president of Ottabon and Martin County for the last 10 years. I'm also the voice of the Ottabon Moment
on public radio. >> Have to close my eyes just to listen to your voice. >> Sorry about that. >> That's fantastic. >> Thank you. And uh I'm also on the board of directors of Audabon Florida. One of the things that you know you've heard
several comments about you know the the wastewater and the environmental damage and that and everything everything that has been said is absolutely true. What you haven't heard is the cost to our wildlife to our aven species here in in Martin County. You may not fully
appreciate it but environmental tourism is a big and growing industry throughout Florida and here in Martin County as well. For the last 13 years, Ottabon Martin County has led public tours to the Lakeside Ranch storm water treatment area, which is immediately north of this
proposed slaughterhouse. And I can tell you with absolute certainty that the proposed slaughterhouse in that area would absolutely devastate the wildlife in that area. The Lakeside Ranch storm water treatment area is a critical migratory path for many bird species
that come through or live in uh in our uh in our Florida habitat. And to have that type of a of an environmental impact would absolutely devastate such critical species such as the the uh the Florida um snail kite which is going
through an incredible stressful time right now. Uh and many of these species again are species that environmental tourists love to come down and see. But regardless of the e economic impact, just the fact that something like this could happen to our environment is just
beyond my comprehension. So I do you know again strongly recommend that you take any actions possible to uh negate this development. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Frank M Mcrist is next followed by Jeff Wittman. Mr. Wittmann is the last
request to speak form I have. If you'd like to address us please fill out one of these forms and hand it to the baiff. >> Good morning. Thank you, Lord, for this day and thank you for those who have served our country that allows me to have this freedom of speech.
I'm going to cut into my normal time that I had planned because it's such a great opportunity to greet the finest of river greenies in our county and remind them that the noise mitigation plan after the
illegal extension of runway 1230. A big part of the noise mitigation plan was to reroute all jet traffic out over our rivers as soon as possible. So, in reference to to the 23 acres of
native habitat, mature trees that border the airport and the YMCA and neighborhood to the north, the 2023 approved airport layout plan designates this parcel for future improvement. However, the potential improvement options for this parcel are not
addressed explicitly in the alternatives analysis of the 2023 airport master plan update. The county participated in unsolicited meetings with various aeronautical developers over the past six months to discuss improvement plans for this parcel, some of whom have
indicated their ability to improve this area without financial support from the county. Shifting the capital improvements required to this parcel from the county to future tenants would significantly expedite the county's ability to make this parcel available
for bid. Without tenant investment, the county anticipates the required infrastructure improvements and capital financing planning could take five years. The county's goal is to make this parcel available for bidding following the
proposed selection criteria for break for vacant properties. The county will initially solicit respondents that are willing to invest in the required capital improvements.
This feels like the swamp. And I'll say it right now. I'm not comfortable with an assistant county administrator who lives and breathes who is an aviation enthusiast fanboy
in that position. Okay. And this parcel previous commissions have always protected. So doing what I do, I talked to some people on 10th Street who are going to
be directly affected by this. Very troubling what I learned because I live just outside of the jet fume the jet fumes plume. Okay. The students at St. Joe's suck down jet
fumes on a regular basis. I cannot believe that this is the will of this commission to expedite the development of this property. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Jeff Wittmann is next and Mr. Wittmann
is the last request to speak form I have. >> Good morning. >> Good morning commissioners. Jeff Whitman, Hope Sound. Um, I oppose the uh slaughter house, but uh I'm here uh today to remember and honor two
environmentalists. One everybody knows and one not so much. Um four years ago, almost to the day, we lost Maggie Herchella. She was a Martin County Commissioner for 20 years and helped craft the blueprint
which would become the Martin County difference. Martin County would not be what it is today without Maggie. She was my mentor and my inspiration, and I miss her greatly. 60 years ago, Max Whitman brought me and
my brother to Hope Sound. It was wild country back then. Bales were washing up on the beach and panthers roamed the island eating Nat Reed's ducks. Directly across from our house, 88 North
Beach Road, Commissioner Caps knows it well, was one of the most prolific prolific turtle nesting beaches on the east coast of the United States, Bonire Beach. My father always thought it should be
preserved and worked to that end. The consensus at that time in the town was that it was never going to happen. The Coast Guard who owned the 14 acres had plans to develop it and it would have taken an act of
Congress to facilitate the transfer and get it preserved. My father was friends with Senator Bob Graham, their fraternity brothers, and flying back from Washington, he asked Senator Graham
to help him with the preservation. Senator Graham came through and got my father all the information that he needed. Architectural plans, deed, and the deed restrictions. The Coast Guard had plans to build 10 houses for the
Coast Guard brass. This was in violation of the deed restrictions. When my father could not continue, he was in his late 80s. Um, he turned all of his material over to the town who picked up the baton. Congressman Tim
Foley slid the transfer to the town in an 800page appropriations bill which was h passed by the house and the senate. Thank you Tim Mahoney wherever you are. Thank you to the town of Jupiter Island. Thank you to the mayor and the town
manager Joe Connelly. Uh thank you to Sarah Herd who was involved in this. She remembered you. I think you were at the Tangerine Theater that meeting. And and thank you to my dad. Uh and thank you to well Max Whitman for his part in
preserving the Bonire Beach Preserve. Not many people know about that. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Commissioners, is there a motion to approve the agenda and we can approve the consent agenda at the same time? >> I'll move approval of the agenda. the
consent agenda. Also move for approval. >> Second. >> There's a motion and a second. Any objections? That motion passes unanimously. Now we'll present proclamations. The first proclamation is a proclamation declaring Charles Chapman School of Seammanship Week in Martin
County, Florida. Good morning, commissioners. Martin County has always had a close relationship with the sea, both in terms of cultural influence and in terms of commerce. Maritime discovery, exploration, development, conservation, and recreation have at various times all
had an influence on Martin County. The Chapman School of Seammanship, a maritime center of excellence, offers VA approved programs, career training programs, recreational boating programs, and summer youth voting programs. The school has been recognized as the Maritime School of Florida by the House
of Representatives and the Senate of the State of Florida since 1983. And February 22nd through 28th is recognized as Chapman School of Seamanship Week in Martin County. And here to accept we have Jim Allen who's the executive director of Chapman School of Seamanship. Good morning. I'm Jim Allen, the
executive director at Chapman School of Sheamship. So, good morning commissioners. On behalf of the board of trustees and our staff, students, and alumni, I'd like to sincerely thank Martin County for this proclamation recognizing Chapman School of Seamanship. We are especially grateful for the
opportunity we've had over this past year to welcome many of you to our campus. During those visits, we shared our vision for the future of the maritime workforce, training, boating safety right here in Martin County. Those conversations were meaningful and reinforced that we are building what we are building aligns with the country's
long-term priorities or with the county's long-term priorities. Nationally, there is a renewed focus on maritime strength through the maritime action plan, an initiative that emphasizes domestic workforce developments, credentialed mariners, marine technicians, and the resilient maritime industry. The Maritime
Industries Association of the Treasures Coast and Chapman School of Championship are proud to proud to play a local role in supporting the national strategy in strengthening our regional maritime economy. For more than five decades and four decades being in Martin County, Chapman School of Seamanship has worked
to make our waterways safer while changing the lives through education. Today, that mission is more relevant than ever. We are training the next generation of professional mariners, marine technicians, surveyors, and safe boers. individuals who will serve and protect our waterways for years to come.
Martin County is a boating community and is part of our identity and enchantment is proud to serve as a resource not only for workforce training but boating safety and education and our youth development. So, thank you for your continued support. >> You want to join us?
still board. Thank you. Hold your proclamation. >> Our next proclamation is a proclamation commending National Engineers Week in Martin County. Engineers design, construct, and maintain the infrastructure and
facilities that contribute to a high quality of life for all Martin County residents. And our community relies upon these engineers to execute innovative, creative, and high-quality solutions to technical problems. Martin County engineers and members of the Florida Engineering Society are making strides to interact with the engineering
education sector to prepare future engineers to maintain our economic leadership and quality of life. In recognition of Engineers Week, February 22nd through the 28th, the board expresses appreciation to all members of this important industry for their contributions. And here to accept, we
have county engineer Mike Rossulka along with a crew of his folks. >> Congratulations. >> Go down. >> Good morning, commissioners. Um, Michael Guz, the county engineer. Uh, I'd like to thank you on behalf of Engineers Everywhere for this proclamation
recognizing the contributions of the engineering profession here in Martin County. Our engineers across public works, utilities, and throughout the organization play a vital role in shaping our community from providing our water and sewer service, reviewing development plans, and issuing permits to inspecting and maintaining our
infrastructure and protecting our roadways. Their work ensures that our community is safe, compliant, and resilient. Engineering is often behind the scenes, but its impact is everywhere. In the water we drink, the roads we travel, the storm water systems that protect our homes, and the
infrastructure that supports our daily lives. All of your Martin County engineers are proud to serve our residents each day, and remain committed to building a stronger, safer Martin County for generations to come. Thank you for this recognition, and happy engineers week.
Sam was technically an engineer. >> Put the tall guy under the TV. >> Don't hit your head, Sean. >> Yes. Switch Sam and Sean. >> So bossy. Yeah, that hard to crop out. The TV's right there.
>> It's a smart group. >> Your license still good? It is. Okay, time for commissioner comments. Commissioner Vargas. >> Okay, I'll make it as brief as possible. If any other commissioner wants to talk at length, I'm more than happy to do that. You can make the appointment with
my aid. Uh, but for the public to know, uh, Senator Bob Graham, I'm from Miami Dade County, and he definitely was a strong advocate for what we're looking what we were looking for at that time. Unfortunately, he passed just a couple of years ago. I also participated in the
Chapman School of Seamanship as a safe boater back in Miami Dade. My family was a boater and sailboater. So, my father said, "You will go to the school and I did." Um, I remember Red Wright returning as you the buoys coming by. See, Jackie's laughing. Okay. So, uh
just returned late last evening from Washington DC. I was at a NATO conference and oh my goodness, some of the issues we talked about, they're just so many. I took some notes right here. Um, but very important, we talked about that this morning. Preemption of our
strength here at the local level for Martin County citizens. That is definitely a crucial issue. Um, affordable housing, we spoke about that, of course, we brought that up and we'll be speaking about that later on this afternoon. the advalorum tax debate too and the ins
and outs of that. Uh saving our rural lands, we spoke about that this morning. Uh we of course have the program of buying development rights or outright buying the property uh with our halfsent sales tax program which you approved and
also maintaining integrity and strength at our voting centers. Um you know the news, you know what's going on. workforce development. I had the pleasure of um participating in the ribbon cutting of it's called reach
which stands for reimagining reimagining education and career help. Uh this is over at the airport property that was last week. So a lot of folks will be coming through to develop skills or hone their skills further uh for their
benefit and the benefit of all of us at large. data centers that was discussed at length. Pros and cons. And we can't just give half-baked answers on things. We have to be where the information givers are and those that we speak with
that have other opinions also. There are people across the country, small, medium, and large counties. And this is predominantly for those that are large and medium. These are the growing pains and the struggles we all have.
So I was able to speak with a lot of other county commissioners and county managers and city managers also. Um I also mentioned about Doge too. Um support personnel. A lot of them brought their support personnel. Uh chief of
staffs. Um, I also had a number of speakers that I was able to glean more information from. And to give you an idea, uh, this is the US Congress, US Representative Chairman, Honorable Sam
Graves. Uh, I also heard uh, Bruce Westerman. He's from Arkansas. He's the chairman, House Committee of Natural Resources. Um, US Representative Andrea Selenus, uh, she's from Oregon. Honorable Tom
Perez. He's former US Secretary of Labor and the Honorable Sheo Yamada, the Ambassador of Japan to the United States of America. Uh these are big names and they certainly have a lot on their shoulders and they want to give us the
information. Um I also had the opportunity to tour our Pentagon and that was a bit insightful. It took more time in order just to get the permission way ahead of time, weeks ahead of time, and then to pass through the security, which is very tight. Of course, we saw
the memorial and actually the room, the rooms, the area that side of the building where the planes hit 911 and also toured our Secret Service headquarters. That was impressionable. they have a museum there and I hardly
recommend if you know somebody and that was a getting to know somebody to get in there definitely take that up. Um so having said that um I think that I think that if you are not going to be
involved on this commission making the best decisions you don't have the advantage if you don't attend both the Florida Association of Counties and the National Association of Counties programs and
conferences. They are beyond a master's program. But again, this these are real life people and I gained tremendous amount of information, contacts and know where to go to get the
information. I have brains on tap. This is invaluable. So that's what I did on my weekend. >> Thank you, Commissioner Caps. >> I'll save my comments for later. >> Yeah. Um,
last week we had at our joint meeting there was a suggestion that uh Maggie's Hammock Park which is in Rocky Point was in need of refreshing and I'm I'm a a visitor there nearly every day of the week. And it's true that the um open
area, the cleared area in the center of the park, it's by the it's a 28 acre park and there's about maybe a 2acre parcel in in the interior that's cleared and bikes and ebikes and scooters have
absolutely torn up the interior. It's not salvageable. It needs to be irrigated and it needs to be solded. And those both of those things need to be done in the summertime because this is this is a wrong time of year to be
planting sod. So I would put that on your list of things to inquire about. Um also commissioners, we've had um a visitor speaking at at public comment here a number of times, Derek Powell. He lives on Cove Road and is really
dissatisfied with um an encroaching development that was approved by the county and I visited his uh property yesterday and certainly understand his dissatisfaction with what's happening in his immediate area. He has a beautiful
site, a big site, 8 acres that's in the heart of urban uh urbanized uh Stewart and Pepper Pepperwood is surrounding him on two sides and he's concerned about drainage and concerned about the lack of
privacy and concerned about all and I'm completely completely sympathetic. he has valid complaints and we met there yesterday with Michael Gresilka who was our county engineer and Jim Gordon who's our uh director of public works and I
couldn't be more proud of the professionalism that Mr. Griselka and Mr. Gordon exhibited. You know M Mr. Powell had was very critical of Martin County, very critical of those two gentlemen, and we're doing everything
that we can within the regulations in order to make um his project more his property more and this project more tolerable. So, just rest assured that we have really really marvelous uh and and
sympathetic and helpful uh professional staff here. And lastly, we just lost a very dear member of our community and that's Bob Mat uh just died and we're very sorry to lose him.
>> Thank you. >> I am all set. Okay, Commissioner Katherine, I >> was going to yield my time, but just on Derek Powell, I too got an opportunity to visit his site and was concerned particularly when he expressed the safety of his young children as that
sidewalk transverses just directly along his driveway. And I always feel like if there's something that we can do to have some screening or privacy, had I looked at that on the screen and realize what kind of impact that that would have on
his property as far as that mobile path, then that to me is the most concerning as well as some of the drainage and the the tree line behind him. But I look forward to and I know Jim and and Michael will work as hard as they can to resolve some of those things.
>> Mr. Donaldson, Miss Elder and we will take up our 9:30 preset which is our legislative session update. >> Good morning, Miss Powers. Morning. Sarah Powers, legislative coordinator,
here to give a mid session update. We're just actually past the midway point. Um so today we'll go over um some bill statistics and um the budget that has been released. Um some highlights. Um
and then we'll go into property tax and um some bills that we're tracking and working on. And then if there's any questions on any additional bills or any of the bills we discussed, we can talk about it uh at the end. Um so the 2026 uh session, we are in week seven um two
weeks after this left. Uh we're on day 43 of 60. Um 17 days to go. This session 1,800 bills have been filed, about 900 in each chamber. And just for context,
um last session there was about 1,900 bills filed. Only 269 bills passed and 11 were vetoed. So it's about 13% um actually pass of these of these 18,900 bills historically. Um the House and
Senate released their um budget totals um at 113 billion in the H.6 billion in the House and 115 billion in the Senate. Um included, excuse me, in both of those um is our Prism project with the sheriff's office. Um we have 7.5 million
in the House and 350,000 in the Senate, which tees us up for um conference. That number can can change will change we hope. Um but it's a good start for sure to budget conferencing. Um so some exciting things that have
happened so far. Um all commissioners came up at some point during week two to attend um important meetings. Ter coast days, Florida Association of County Days. Um our fire rescue team was up last week um meeting with our de with various agencies across the state. Um
and that was cool. We met with our delegation as well. Uh having a strong Martin County representation in Tallahassee really um ensures that our priorities are heard and advocated for. Um and I appreciate it when I have visitors cuz it it uh makes Tallahassee
feel a little more like home. And now for the fun stuff. Um so as as you probably know, the House passed some property tax legislation um last week um 203 which is a um full
elimination of non-school homestead property taxes instead of phased out. Um this proposal is going to have will head to the Senate. However, um the Senate has expressed no interest, especially in this form of taking up um this
initiative in its current form. Uh analysis from the Florida Association of Counties estimated that a full elimination of non-school property taxes will roughly um eliminate $9 billion in local revenue statewide. And um Stephanie is over here. I know um we
might have some if you wanted to have some questions while we're on this topic. um about property tax. >> Sure. Commissioner Caps. >> Good morning. >> Good morning. >> So, u my first question for Miss Merley
as our OBM director is what what were our advorum taxes last year? >> Our total advalorum taxes for FY26 adopted was $342 million. >> $342. And if we eliminated homestead
property taxes in Martin County, how much of that would we lose? >> So when we're talking about elimination of property taxes, it's important to keep in mind what our tax base makeup is made out of. Um for Martin County, we
are 75% residential um of our tax base and about approximately 60% of those residential properties are homesteaded. Um so when we're talking about FY26 adopted and the 342 million it would
remove approximately 215 million from our um budget >> at the Laurum. >> So we go from 342 we we take out 215 and that leaves 127 >> approximately. Yes. And then how how
much did uh well first of all the bill says that we we we can't reduce uh sheriff and fire rescue down below 24 25 uh allocations. >> Okay.
>> And so how much did the sheriff cost us last year? >> So um the FY26 sheriff budget was 119 million. So, we have $127 million to work with minus19 million. >> That's mathematically correct.
>> By my math, that leaves $8 million in in the kitty and for fire rescue. So, how much did fire rescue uh cost us last year? >> So, fire rescue's adorum was approximately 78 million.
>> 78 million. So we were short $70 million just to pay for sheriff and fire rescue. And uh so that's a mathematical impossibility. We can't even pay for
those first two things. And then let's think about all of the things that there would be no money for. Um, first of all, fire rescue would be 70 million short as we just talked about. How much was the park's budget last
year? >> Well, the park's budget, it's relatively small in the grand scheme of things, but their budget is about $10 million and about 50% are revenue generated. So, about $5 million of that would be Advalorum.
>> Okay. So, um, and then, uh, the, uh, the other there are four MSTUS, as they're called, um, in our budget. The first one is fire rescue. We've already talked about that. And then there's parks, which would lose
how much? >> About $5 million. >> About five million. And then roads. Um, how how how much is that budget? >> Roads and storm water are considered their own. They're the same taxing authority and if I recall those are also
generally small funds but the impact on those would be about 63% of those budgets which I need to know the number off the top of my head but the um roads and storm water MSTU is about $15 million combined.
>> Mhm. So we would lose 63% of those funds as well. But in my way of thinking, we would lose. I mean, there's no money left after sheriff and partially paying for the fire department. >> There's no money left, right? So, uh, in
reality, >> uh, those just get shut down. And then let's talk about the constitutional officers. There's the tax collector, the property appraiser, the supervisor of elections. There's no money for them. U, and then the administration of the
county government. Everybody who works in this brick building here u and elsewhere in county departments, they're all out of a job. Uh there's no money for anything. Uh we may as well shutter the building and put a big
banner out front that says Martin County government shutdown because that's what it would be. This is really a ridiculous notion and hopefully our Florida State Senate will
apply some common sense. Um, I don't know if this is just political theater on the power on the part of our House of Representatives, but it's totally irresponsible. I think I'll I'll stop it there on on this issue.
Any other any other? Yeah, throwing it down. You've covered it. >> Tell us how you really feel. >> Good for you. >> Okay. So, moving on to some some legislation that we're following.
>> So, what he's telling you, Miss Powers, is you need to stop that. >> Yes, we're trying. We're trying. We've been Oh, me. Yes. Okay. I'll try my best. I am. Um, so, um, we'll get into some legislation that I know we don't
we're not going to like very much, but I just wanted to make a note to with 17 days left, anything can happen. Um, good, bad, worse, better, all of that. So, um, moving on to a bill, um, HB691,
agricultural enclaves. Um, this bill has passed its third house committee stop in state affairs and continues to move. The Senate Companion has also cleared two committees. This bill creates a new public hearing and certification process allowing owners of qualifying agricultural agricultural enclaves to
seek designation and move forward with single family residential development consistent with adjacent land uses. Once certified, local governments may not impose regulations more burdensome than those applied to comparable uses or densities. This bill applies to counties
with a only applies to counties with a population of 1.75 million or less, which it does include Martin County. And the agriculture enclave provisions are set to expire January 1st, 2028, at which time statute would revert to current law in place as of June 30th,
2026. And I have brought along Clyde to explain what this uh what the implications are of this um this bill. >> Good morning, members of the board. Morning. >> Thank you. >> You're on.
>> Am I good? Uh, this bill has two portions of it. One deals with process. One deals with defining what is an a enclave. Uh, first to start with process, uh, it requires an applicant who submits an application. It would require the board of county
commissioners to then determine if it meets the definition of an a enclave. And uh if it does, then the applicant has a process to go through where it's somewhat negotiated how it would then be processed. It wouldn't go through our
normal development review process. Uh if it takes longer than 180 days, it's automatically deter deemed an egg enclave. Um the process does not require a board review or approval afterwards. uh if it's dee deemed to be an a enclave
by the board, the local government may not require the owner to agree to a process that is longer than 180 days in duration or that requires further review of the plans in a quasa judicial process or public hearing. >> Clyde, that that is also it's a quasi
judicial so you're not measuring discretion. You can only follow the law regarding rural enclave. So that that process just make clear that it it's it's not that you have if it meets the criteria it's your job to approve it. It
says a quasi judicial process not a um legislative >> decision substantial competent evidence. Commissioner Heatherington, >> you maybe you are getting to this, but what is the criteria that's currently in the bill that would have a property meet
um an agricultural enclave? >> There are a number of different paragraphs that uh could be applied in a number of different circumstances. Uh I think this has been crafted to to fit different places in the state of Florida. Uh, one criteria says 700 acres
or less and surrounded on 50% by urban development. Another one says 75% uh has to be made up of urban development that could be commercial, residential or industrial and an interstate. Uh, and then there are other
paragraphs that have other criteria that different properties could fit into. So, it's uh it's rather difficult at this point to say with certainty uh exactly which properties are going to fit and which are not, but it's safe to say that this could if one of these is applicable
or more one or more than one are applicable to pop some pretty big holes in our urban service district. Commissioner Caps, >> um I was wondering if you could uh show us a map of Martin County and
and um and if you could let us know if there are any potential enclaves as as you see it that could could come Um, do we have any places in mind that uh
where this could be an issue? >> Let me get our urban service districts on first. >> So, this hatching that you see, >> this is the primary urban service district and this is the secondary urban service district. This is a freestanding urban service
district. So any properties that are bordering the urban service districts that comply with one of the criteria that's described in the bill could effectively apply for this this uh to meet this criteria anywhere along the
urban service district. If there's a property that is bordering multiple urban service districts, it might be more likely to uh to fit. Uh but you would have to examine that property and and make sure it complies with each of
the the requirements in the bill which is a moving target. I mean there's a house bill, there's a senate bill. They are not the exactly the same and they have been changing almost daytoday uh with little changes and adjustments. So anywhere along our urban service
districts, you could have somebody uh who makes application and and seeks to uh to fit the criteria. >> So in my way of thinking when I think of the about the Martin County comprehensive plan, the most important
thing about the comp plan is the primary urban services boundary. That's the cornerstone of it all. that, you know, basically we have a comp plan that says that over in the the eastern part of the
county, that is the urban area, uh, where we're going to have more population, more density, and we're going to preserve our western area, uh, by putting it outside the primary urban services boundary where people do not
get urban services. It's agricultural land primarily. Um and that is the defining difference when you think about uh the coastline eastern part of Florida. The the the defining difference
is what happens in the western part of those coastal counties. Uh I understand in in Broward County it's fully developed all the way over to the western border. There's nothing left. They've scraped it clean and it it
all got developed. And we know the story in Palm Beach County and St. Lucy County. Uh they've had a lot more western development than we have. And so it it seems that this enclave bill is kind of slipping in on us under cover of
darkness here. And I'm I'm rather amazed at how our environmental community statewide and even locally, they don't realize how big a threat this particular bill is to the Martin County difference
and to the comprehensive plan. Um I I think we all really need to take note. There's three weeks left in the legislative session and this enclave bill has got some serious steam and it may it may be thrust upon us
here. Um that and it seems to me like it's it's the beginning of the end of the Martin County difference and the comprehensive plan and the primary urban services boundary. So let us all take note. Um,
are there are there other uh particular pieces of land that uh would jump out at us as um places where an enclave might exist. Um,
as I said, anything along the urban service district. Uh it the um the language would permit anything where there where you currently have an urban service district and where you have multiple portions of urban service district that kind of encompass a
property >> so that it meets that 50% or 75% depending upon the particular text uh it could conceivably fit uh the uh >> the definition. Mhm. >> Another feature of it that I think uh is
is not well understood is that um the density that an applicant can apply for if they if they are an determined to be an agricultural enclave, the density they could apply for could be any density that's adjacent to them. So if if something's determined to be an aggra
agricultural enclave and it has two units of the acre or 10 units to the acre or five units to the acre in the urban area, well they could apply for one of those densities in in their agricultural enclave and it doesn't have to follow our comp plan. In fact, it has
to be considered conforming regardless of what our comp plan and our zoning districts say. >> Okay. Um well, I would I would encourage all of our residents to to really take note of this. Um there are uh
surprising potential outcomes that could come from the Enclave bill. And uh I I think that we all need to get really engaged and and to think about the consequences. >> Commissioner Vargas. >> Yes. Okay.
Commissioner Caps, I really respect what you're saying about that other counties may not be aware. They are totally aware. I will invite anybody personally to come with me to Niko or Florida Association
of Counties and you will see how well positioned they are. Now, we may have a few of our lobbying team, maybe two people. There we have 40 and more. Everybody is
on trepidation about this. We are not the only ones. They love their cities and their counties. I mean, this is explanatory. It's alarming. It's alarming. I've been to Tallahassee numerous times. You know that, >> correct? >> Yep.
>> Um sat in conference, spoke with our representatives, our senator. They're the ones that we put in office. Those are the ones that you need to pick up the phone and call or go visit them in their offices here. They have offices here or they can zoom with you I guess.
But there is a lot of information out there and people are not asleep. They are not asleep whatsoever. If we don't if we don't voice our opinion loud and that means us too, those that are up here. But you got to you got to go to
where they are. You can't just sit here and you know make a statement. it doesn't work. Face to face is far superior in any situation in life. So when there's a lot of complaints about doing this or that, well, those are the
ones not doing it. So let's all join together commissioners. Uh I was very impressed at this last conference that I just arrived from about numerous commissioners going up there together with their support team also
to have meetings with those that are representatives at that level federal and also their senators because that's where the money comes from. There isn't any right now. You know how much we're in debt? Was it 38 trillion or is it 39
trillion and we're printing money to pay our interest on that to our bond holders? So, there's a lot out there, but we have to you get out of this little little bubble that we're living here and we have to see that they know more than we do and they know what
they're doing with this particular bill. >> Miss Elder, >> I'm all set. Mr. Dulan covered it. Thank you. >> Mr. Dulan, are there any current applications that are under development review in Martin County that might be eligible for the egg enclave?
>> Yes. >> Took a long time to answer. >> All right. Thank you. Can you continue? >> Yep. Okie dokie. And on a bit of a a kind of a a promise from last session, um SB840,
land use regulations for local governments, is the promised glitch bill for 180. Um it has passed the Senate unan unanimously and is now awaiting its uh companion consideration in the House.
This bill amends um SP 180 from 2025 which restricted certain counties and municipalities from adopting land use moratoriums or more restricted development regulations for one year following a hurricane. This bill allows local government to impose moratorums when necessary to address storm water or flood water management, portable water
supply and sanitary water systems. and importantly for jurisdictions included in federal disasters for hurricanes Debbie, Helen or Milton and the bill shortens the restriction period to June 30th 2026 versus 2028. Um so those are
some some positive changes that we've seen to 180. Um that I think I think makes the bill much much better for at least for us here in Martin County. >> How does it look in the house? >> Uh it is moving. It has two stops. Uh it has been heard twice. So
>> Okay. Um, and that that's not to say they'll probably I mean since it was a Senate bill they either they'll probably take up the Senate bill just as as is um like they did last year with 180. >> What's the number of the House bill? >> Um 840. >> Oh no, the House. >> That's the House bill.
>> I I'll get it to you. >> And um last bill. I'm just going to turn this one over to Peter Walden. He's been um doing some research on this local land planning and and development bill um that's going to have some pretty pretty serious implications here um in
in Martin County. >> Good morning, commissioners. Peter Walden, deputy growth management director. Um yes, there's two bills, companion bills going through the legislature right now. The HB927 and the um Senate Bill 1138.
Both of them are worded a little bit differently but are both trying to uh make it mandatory that we create a qualified contractor uh program for the review of development applications.
So if a developer comes in and uh they would rather use a contractor rather than go through the development review process with our development team, uh they could do so. And we have to have that program in place by January of next
year. And we have to have at least six qualified contractors in this program. It's kind of like our continuing services program that we have with some contractors now. Um the difference is is that we no longer really follow article
10 in our code. They would do the review. they would prevent uh present a affidavit along with an application basically saying that they've reviewed it and it complies with our comp plan, our LDRs and everything else.
Staff would only be allowed to do an administrative review of that. Basically stating that they have all the components of the application from our checklist. They have an environmental assessment, a storm water report, but we wouldn't necessarily have the ability to review any of that before it goes to the
final decision maker. So that if that sounds problematic, it is because very rarely does anybody bring an application forward in Martin County and get it right the first time, let alone the fourth or fifth time. So, um
there's really nothing in the bills that talk about what would happen down the road if these applications got it wrong. Um and also uh the public hearing process and the
approval process is kind of usurped as well because we're basically given an application and told to approve it and the language has been changing daily just like the enclave language. Uh in fact house bill was revised yesterday at
1:30. Um so it's kind of hard to keep up with it. I know Elise has been working on it as well and uh it's very problematic to the development review process and it seems in the end very latigious but we it's it's hard to say
at this point. The Senate bill seems a little bit uh less arduous because it does have an out. It seems like we can deny applications after uh as they get presented to the board. um where the House bill really
doesn't leave that option out. So, um we're following this as much as we can and uh it'll be interesting to see as these two bills get merged together for approval if if the what language, you know, is adopted. So, um we're doing our
best to keep an eye on it. So in the house bill, the uh applicant can initially decide to forego county development review in favor of choosing the developer, >> a qualified contractor. Yes.
>> So from the beginning. >> Yes. And there the the qualifications with the county are not set very high. They have to have five years experience in a uh state license. They don't necessarily have to have any history with the county or be local. Uh
they can be anywhere in the state. And uh and if we don't get this program instituted properly as it says in the thing, then somebody can just hire any qual any contractor they want to review the project and we have to accept that. >> And are there deadlines for review? uh
that once we get the application that they received from the applicant, we have five days to review it for completeness >> and that's after the developers chosen reviewers have said this complies. >> Correct. >> Then we get 5 days. >> Yep.
>> And then within that 5 days it gets turned over to the decision maker if it's deemed complete. >> Is that business or weekends included? >> Says five days. And who's the House sponsor and who's the Senate sponsor?
You know, >> I don't know that offh hand. >> I don't know it off hand. I I can get >> All right, Commissioner Heatherington. >> Oh, if I understand it correctly, the developer then would be responsible to understand our comp plan and LDRs and they would be the one making the
determination if the um project that was proposed complied to those things. >> Correct. I mean, they they would produce an application and then a third party, another subcontractor would uh review
those plans. >> So, it wouldn't be the developer own agents, I believe, bringing it forward. They would have this other subcontractor review it >> and it would come to the board >> and they would Yeah. >> They would bring it to the board. So you would have this independent reviewer bring it to the board for approval, not
staff because we're not allowed to review it or even you know approve it. We can just say it's complete. >> And are those quasi judicial also? >> Yes. >> It would follow the same process. >> That if it's minor then it would go to the growth management director but if
it's major >> commissioner >> thank you very much. Um lots of good news today. I appreciate it. >> On this particular one, the subcontractor, would he get the fee? He or she, the firm, would they get the fee?
>> That has to be negotiated. The county um would give most of what we normally get for an application fee to the contractor. And um it's kind of gray in how much more they can garner from the
applicant. There is a provision for an hourly wage after that. Um but it seems like they would have to do it with a percentage of what we charge which would >> Yeah. So it's like a split then. >> Yeah. >> And um so the applicant would pay
directly to the subcontractor. >> No, it actually we have to be the third party in that. The >> So then there's a lot of finance and bookkeeping that has to go along with that. That's a new arm of that. >> And so you'll only have five days to review it. So you'll give up a
percentage of the money. uh to them and then still have basically the same we would require you the citizens will require you to have the same oversight and review. You'll just have a couple of days to do it. >> We're not allowed. It says we can only review it for completeness. We can
>> Well, I mean, you still have to do that, >> but we can't review the substance of the application. >> But it's not like you're just passing it through. It's still going to have to require >> It's online with our completeness review that we do in the beginning of an application where we just check the boxes. >> You you check the boxes. You've provided
all the individual criteria, but we don't look at that criteria to see if >> for example, if you required to have a preserve area management plan, they'll check to see that a preserver area management plan is included, but we can't determine whether or not the preserve area management plan meets all
of our criteria because it's certified to do so. So, all we can see is that that particular element is included. There's a report for storm water. If it's absent, we can reject it, but we can't determine whether or not the water quality treat
all we can just say it's there or not. >> And they can hire anybody from anywhere in the state. So if they hire a subcontractor out of Pensacola, the chances of us, the five of us getting to meet with them is slim. Um, and then let's say it comes to us, it's been reviewed by an outside
subcontractor. comes to us and we you said in the House version we don't even really have the authority to deny it. The Senate version we'd at least have some say, but let's say we denied it. It goes back to the subcontractor to be reviewed again.
>> I'd assume so. >> It gets really vague at that point of the program. It doesn't say about post completion or the process going forward as much as it does just to get the qualified contractors involved. Okay, Miss Powers, I you were smart to bring
um co-stars with you for each of these options so you didn't have to give us the bad news all by yourself. >> I know. I appreciate it. >> Very clever. Good for you, >> Commissioner Vargas. >> Yeah, I those were some of the questions that I wanted to ask. You answered them.
No sense in going over that. This is something that is going to be detrimental to Martin County. There are other counties that are smaller and more fiscally constrained as Commissioner Caps was talking about numbers today and I get
all the numbers there, but we'll see. Miss Powers, um, a public speaker this morning brought up House Bill 1421 and Senate Bill 1658.
Would you please track that for us, please? This this >> I have it pulled up. >> Okay. Tell us tell us about that bill too. >> Yep. So in the house um the house bill 1421 is I haven't had I I just heard it at the same time so I haven't had time
to review it but it is um placed on it's passed fully the house. It has not moved in the senate. >> Okay. And tell me what it the bill entails. So just according to the quick summary requires land managers to identify grazable areas on stateowned lands for
cattle grazing and includes cattle grazing among methods used to control invasive plants. Mandates identification of existing grazable lands and consideration of appropriateness for leasing to private entities based on ecological wildlife and recreational
goals. specifies requirements such as maximum stocking rate, possible grazing term, and acceptable animal containment methods without converting native wildlife habit. Requires inclusion of cattle grazing provisions in land management plans and an explanation for
excluding such leases and adds cattle grazing as a potential strategy in the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission's invasive plant control program with an effective date of July 1, 2026. You're all right. >> Keep me posted. >> Yep. Yep. >> I will add that. Um
>> any other questions, commissioners? >> Yes. >> So, two more weeks. >> Two. Yep. Two and a half. I've had it up after this and uh hopefully we have some some meetings. Um the one the bill um about a enclaves is going to be heard on
Thursday um in its amended form is um >> where >> in the Senate in Tallahassee. Uh, >> I thought the the Senate bill was going to be heard today. >> Is it today? I think. Okay. >> This afternoon, I better hurry up. >> So, yeah. Keep us posted. >> We get there on.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, u they're entering, you know, after a day 50 committee stop meeting. So, we'll kind of have a better idea. Any bills that haven't had at least one committee stop by now probably will not move. But, as we know in this world, anything can happen. Um, so we'll
continue to monitor these in addition to um, you know, a list of other bills. Uh, I had I did struggle to find any great news. Um, but I know um, you know, I do I do I know with with everything
negative today, I do want to thank our legislators as well. Um, they have taken the time over the last seven weeks to meet with anybody that has come up. Um, including, you know, fire rescue. Um, I've got a couple meetings set up. um our emergency management director Sally is coming up today um for her day
tomorrow and they've all committed to meet with her tomorrow afternoon. So I do want to thank them. We do have a very accessible um delegation whether you know they do everything we asked them to probably not but they are very accessible and they do hear us. We were on a call with Rep. Snider yesterday.
Um, so just wanted to give them a shout out at the end of this seemingly doom and gloom presentation, but I brought >> good co-stars. >> And what is what do we know for certain about special sessions? >> Uh, we know that there's for certain going to be one on congressional
redistricting. >> Okay. >> Um, that is set in that there hasn't been a set I don't haven't seen any set date yet. Um, but that's already kind of been predetermined with the with the lawsuits and everything that have been going on. That's just it's going to be pretty open and close. Um
rumors are that there's going to be a special session on property tax. Uh has not been confirmed yet. Um but there has, you know, the House and the and the governor both said that there will be something on the 2026 ballot. Um we just don't know what it will be yet. And of
course the Senate will need to at some point comply. So if that takes special session and or extending hopefully not but past the 60 days as happened last year but budgetwise all things are on track for a 60-day finish and then
special session after that. So >> okay, >> how many days on your countdown? >> Oh uh let's see 46. So thank you guys. >> Thank you. >> Thank you Sarah. >> Uh shall we take a 10-minute break?
Sure. You're on. >> Thank you. Let's take up board appointments. Uh the first one is health facilities authority appointments. Donna Gordon from administration. You're asked to appoint two individuals.
Mr. Lewis Mark Coarola received five votes. Mrs. Geraldine Jenko received three votes. >> Is there a motion to approve Mr. Lewis, Mark Corulu, and Geraldine Jenko? >> I'll move approval.
>> Second. >> There's a motion in a second. Any objection? That motion passes unanimously. We'll now go on to the animal care and control oversight board appointment. You're asked to appoint one person and
Mrs. Rita C. Nelson received four votes. Okay, I'll move approval of Miss Rita Nelson. >> Second. >> There's a motion in a second. Any objections? That motion passes unanimously. And Industrial Development Authority
appointments. >> You're asked to appoint one person and Mrs. Jamie received four votes. I'll move approval of Miss Jamie Alford. >> Second. >> There's a motion in a second. Any opposition? That motion passes
unanimously. We will now move on to uh public hearing number one, which is a public hearing to consider adoption of an ordinance amending chapter 111 article 5 false alarm reduction. >> Yes. Good morning, commissioners. This
is a ordinance that is going to amend the false alarm reduction or ordinance. This was requested by the sheriff and the code enforcement um division of Martin County. They have been working together to come up with a a way for individuals who are cited under this
ordinance to appeal. So these are just some minor changes to the ordinance to reflect the process that they worked out. Um most of the changes are in section 111.126. Um it just provides for the written notice that'll be provided to the
property owners. It also allows the board to set an administrative fee for the for an appeal by resolution. And then it provides that the penalties and fees that are assessed under this ordinance would not be subject to reduction like our code enforcement
leans. Um, also included is a resolution establishing a fee of $50. The sheriff and code enforcement division thought that that was a fair um fee because it covers the cost of the magistrate staff time. It actually doesn't cover it, but it offsets it. So, they're recommending
an administrative fee of $50. Um, and that kind of summarizes the changes. I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Questions from Miss Zelder, Commissioner Vargas. >> So, um, if I have perpetually have a lot of false alarms, what happens now? They
come out, they respond. >> So, that's that's kind of the goal of this ordinance is to prevent that. So, if you look, the fees for false alarms are already established and it's under section 111.124. So, your first and second false alarm would be a $25 penalty and then as they
increase the the fee increases. So, it goes to 100, it goes to 50, 75, 100, 150. Um, so that's the the goal is to prevent the sheriff from unnecessarily going to businesses. Um, and they haven't had an appeal process, so they haven't been assessing the fee. So that
that's we're finalizing all this so they can start assessing these fees to save, you know, their unnecessary time. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Any further questions for Miss Elder? I see we have the sheriff. Sheriff, would you like to address us? >> I don't know that he knew this was
happening today. >> Commissioner, great to be here this morning. I'm just here to check on our people. We had some We thought we may have some issues, so we're just here for you today. So, we're here to keep you safe. I was not here for the ordinance, but I do support it. We have one establishment in Indian town that we've
had over 2,000 false alarms to >> and we want alarms to be serious when our deputies respond out there and that's the goal. And most businesses, they work with us, we work with them, they keep themselves in check. So, this will be beneficial to all of us. Keep our deputies in play and uh make sure we respond on the ones that we need to
respond to. Other than that, thank you, >> Sheriff. While you're here, I will tell you that we are very well protected by Deputy Pine right there. He is handled where I feel very safe and comfortable with his uh his watchful eye. >> Thank you, Deputy. Thank you.
>> Yes. >> And sheriff, as long as you're here, you need to apprise us of anything that's going on in the county. >> Ebikes. >> Well, I'm hoping you can you fix the ebike problem, Commissioner. But we are actually tracking with legislation for Tallahassee. So, I think it's smart doing what we're doing. Kind of waiting.
We have a workshop that we're working on. Kind of waiting on Florida legislators to see what they propose before we try to bolster our our u our ordinances with that. Uh some positive news out of Tallahassee. We've got through the first hurdle on our um some
funding for our mental health pod in the jail. So, that's big. Right now, we have hopefully on the table around $7 million. We're obviously hoping for more than that, but I know our state representative Snyder has worked hard on that. So, we're looking forward to to that coming in. I know that's a big ass and it's a big tax lift down the road.
So, we appreciate him kind of spearheading that. >> You need to work on the Senate, Sheriff. >> We have >> because you don't have that much money in the in the Senate. >> Yes. And I don't understand their processes and I know there's 350,000 in the Senate, but it's my understanding the way that they the way that they
structure money up there that just having money in the Senate is good for us. >> So, I' I've asked that question. I understand what you're saying, but it's looking good. We'll help you in any way that we can. >> We know that. >> Y >> Thank you. >> We're happy you're the sheriff. >> Thank you, Commissioner.
>> Thank you. >> Is that it? >> That's it. >> Thank you. >> We just need to have public comment and a vote. >> Would anyone from the public like to address us on the matter of false alarms? Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing portion. And is there a
motion to uh move staff's recommendation? >> I make a motion. Second. >> There's a motion and a second. All those in favor? I opposed. That motion passes unanimously. Thank you. We will now move on to
uh public hearing number two, which is a public hearing to consider adoption of an ordinance amending division six site development standards article 11 planned mixeduse village land development regulations regarding excavation standards. Mr. Sinnat.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning, commissioners. I'm John Senate, principal planner with growth management. This is a request by Gunster Yoken Stewart on behalf of Madame Palm Beach for approval of an amendment to division 6 site development standards, article 11, planned mixeduse village,
land development regulations, Martin County code to add excavation standards for projects within the planned mixeduse village zoning district. Article 11 was approved in 2018 through the adoption of ordinance 1083.
Article 11 regulates the Newfield project, formerly known as Pineland Prairie. Newfield encompasses approximately 3,411 acres in western Palm City, just south of the C23 Canal. This proposed amendment would add
excavation standards to division 6 site development standards article 11. The proposed maximum excavation depth would be 40 feet provided that the bottom of excavations must be at least 30 feet above the confining unit of the upper
floor and aquifer Hawthorne group. Material excavated below 15 ft would be restricted to sand. The proposed amendment establishes setbacks of excavations from rights of way property lines as well as wells and
septic systems. Excavations in the vicinity of wetlands would continue to be subject to divisions one and two of article 4 LDR. The proposed amendment contains sampling, reporting, and monitoring requirements which are consistent with the existing excavation and fill
standards found in division 8 excavating filling and mining article 4 LDR. This matter is heard before the LPA this past Thursday, February 19th. The LPA voted three to zero recommending approval with two members being absent.
Staff recommendation is to move that the board receive and file the agenda item and its attachments including the staff report as exhibit one and move that the board adopt the proposed ordinance amending article 11 plan mixeduse village land development regulations Martin County code. That concludes my
presentation. >> Questions for Mr. Sinat? Seeing none, does the applicant have an presentation? >> That's my stopwatch. >> Yes, ma'am. Good morning, commissioners, and thank
you to staff for the thoughtful presentation and for the recommendation of approval. I'm Kristen Spake of the Gunster Law Firm here on behalf of Madam Brought members of the development team along with us um to speak with you. But before they come up, I just want to
reinforce briefly a couple points that were already made, which are one, as you know, new field is governed by article 11 of the land development regulations. And that's the article that we're asking to amend specifically. And so if this
request is granted, the change to the code will apply only to the Newfield project as the only project that's subject to that article 11 planned mixeduse village. So that's important to note that with this change, it doesn't
mean that landholders outside of um this new field development can come um and try to make use of the the amendment that we're asking for. It's just for Newfield, solely within Newfield. And the other point that I wanted to reinforce was simply that this language that we're requesting was adapted from
language that you all have already heard and considered and vetted and elected to approve um in your division I think it's division 8 article 4. So that the language that we're asking you to approve today specifically for new field is derived from language that has
already been considered and um deemed worthy of a approval by you all. And so with that, if I can um have you hear from a couple of our uh team, you'll hear from James Fitzgerald of Madame Holmes, also Bob Higgins, our engineering expert, and Sean McKenzie
will talk about traffic. So James will speak with you first about why Newfield's asking for this change. >> Good morning, commissioners. My name is James Fitzgerald. I work with Madame Holmes. I'm the vice president of development. I'm responsible for the new field project which is why I'm here before you this morning. Uh first and
foremost I wanted to thank you for your time and attention to our request and also thank staff for their thoroughess uh and professionalism that they've demonstrated as they always do throughout the review process. So fundamentally what we're seeking um
is our request is the nature of it is really flexibility and helping um us strategic and thoughtful development techniques by allowing us to obtain fill closer to the neighborhood footprints where it's needed. So what this will uh directly do is reduce construction
traffic in the future. Um and that would be impacting the newly completed Newfield Parkway roadway widening project. Uh this is a county thoroughfare road that bifurcates the property and as a part of our developers agreement that was assigned to us uh we had to widen that roadway. We've just
completed that roadway along with the landscaping enhancements, hardscaping enhancements. So, it's I think it's in our best interest to try to protect that as time goes on and minimize the wear and tear to that roadway as well as others because uh the decision that we
would be facing is, you know, we either would have to uh probably truck in fill from a different lake location using Newfield Parkway inevitably or import fill from elsewhere using not only Newfield Parkway but certainly other public roads as well. So the uh the
limitation on wear and tear in our opinion uh really helps and benefits multiple constituencies. But beyond the practical and the cost reduction benefits of this request, we've also considered the potential environmental effects and sought to uh
mitigate those to the greatest extent possible. Uh Newfield was designed with sustainability and land stewardship in the forefront. So when we were thinking about making this request, we wanted to make sure that that this request and this application was uh that upholds to
the new field goals and values as it relates to sustainability. So what we've done uh as a part of the due diligence effort is we've uh undertaken all the geotechnical testing and all the water quality monitoring that would be required of us just to make sure that if
we did bring this request forward that we've done our homework and we know that we're not coming up here for no reason. We're coming up here for a reason that we think is really a benefit to everybody around the area, including folks that are taxpayers, including Newfield residents, as it relates to uh
minimizing that wear and tear. So, with that said, um as as Kristen mentioned, we've got some subject matter experts with us on our team that are here, and so I'm going to invite uh Bob Higgins to come and uh uh make a few remarks as well. Thank you.
Morning. >> Morning. >> Good morning, >> Bob Higgins with Higgins Engineering. Excuse me. I've got a lengthy background in dealing with lake depths and including Palm
Beach County. Help them with their mining ordinance. And I did help Martin County with coming up with criteria to allow excavation depths going greater than 20 ft.
Uh the primary objective is to protect drinking water aquifers and one of the primary focuses on protection is is there conate water. Conate water is
trapped seawater at lower depths because of the density. It sits at the bottom of the aquifer. You don't want to excavate into conate water. It'll contaminate the surficial aquifer where most of our
drinking water supplies come from. The second factor is you don't want to tap into the Florida aquifer which in Martin County is
easily over 100 ft down. So none of none of these lakes are going to penetrate into the Florida end. But the reason why is the Florida end beneath Martin County is
um saltwater. It's got a lot of salt water from saltwater intrusion. So you don't want to again contaminate your aquifer. So part of the testing that was done to allow
a 40ft depth is to go down to 40 ft. Look at geologic structure and also test it for chlorides to make sure that it's not into conate
water. And it passed those those tests. And so based on um my recommendation is that's an allowable depth for
uh the excavations within Newfield. Uh with that being said, I'll be happy to answer any questions. >> Questions for Mr. Higgins? >> I don't see any. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
The experts wear beige jackets. I got the memo. >> Yeah. Good morning. Sean McKenzie. I'm a professional engineer with McKenzie Engineering and Planning. Uh I have over 25 years of experience in transportation engineering and uh 20 of those at least 20 of those are uh working in Martin
County. Uh and I do have experience on multiple mine projects uh in the area. uh and and have transportation experience within uh Newfield itself. Uh we I really see a huge benefit of this on terms of reducing the number of
trucks uh that would either be utilizing or crossing Newfield Parkway. Estimate that somewhere in the range of 200,000 trucks that would no longer need to cross the road. So from that, that'd be a a huge reduction in the impact of to the roadway structure itself.
um there'd be a significantly reduced delay to the traveling public because all those trucks entering the roadway need maintenance of traffic. So we're not going to be slowing down all those residents who are already utilizing the roadway. Um and then in terms of air quality, those trucks are going a much shorter distance. So we see
significantly improved air quality from the particulate matter that gets ejected by those diesel vehicles. So overall just see a huge benefit by reducing those trip lengths of the trucks from where they are mining and and where they need to go. Thank you.
>> Questions? Mr. Campy? >> Not so much questions. Um just prepared to make a motion for staff's recommendation. I did watch the LPA meeting. Um uh we have had other lakes
uh other requests to dig down to 40 ft and we have accepted them. I think the comment in regards to utilizing the resources of their property on their property um is an advantage as well as the fact that
all those trucks driving up and down Citrus and Newfield Parkway would have to drive right past Citrus Grove Elementary School, which we're already hearing is uh is a interesting school zone crosswalk area. and the fact that
they have brought this I believe a beautiful project uh to Martin County that we have given u many approvals in the past several years as well as the fact that they've come here and asked they brought their experts to say they're not having an environmental
uh detrimental environmental impact. So, I would make a motion to accept uh staff's recommendation and their request because they've been good partners and uh Martin County taxpayers. Thank you, >> Commissioner Vargas. >> Yes. Uh I had my meeting with the young
lady from Gunster and also with you two representing um there were some questions that I had about the roadway. Would you please address those? uh because that in perpetuity I mean there was a little bit well you were going to find out about it and this is the moment to do it.
>> Yeah. So the the questions uh commissioner that you were asking were regarding uh perpetual maintenance and the obligations which again uh are pursuant to the development agreement u from I believe it was 2020
when it was recorded and um how it reads is that the master developer is responsible in perpetuity for maintenance of street lights, street trees, landscape tree wells and grates, open storm water management, retention or detention areas, bioailes and swailes
on all roadways. Upon completion of construction by master developer and acceptance by county engineer of a street within a public rightway, the county will maintain the traffic control devices such such as stop and speed limit signs, traffic signals,
roundabouts, sidewalks, travel lanes, curbs, gutters, and storm water management inlets, manholes, culverts, and exfiltration trenches. For all streets not constru constructed within a public right ofway, master developer shall be responsible for the maintenance and perpetuity of all components as
identified on each applicable final site plan. >> Okay. So within your property, you're saying the developer will take care of everything on the other. That's a split. >> It's it's based on the final site plan process. Uh so we there's been circumstances where there have been
streets um within the property that are kind of these main thoroughares that we've discussed whether or not it would be a county obligation or a developer and CDD obligation. So far we've taken maintenance of all those streets thus far. Um but I don't know if you know if
if the county wants to accept those for one reason or another then we'll certainly be open to the discussion. Thus far they they've been district streets. >> Okay. So that's within your district with CDD. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Everything there. Yeah. That's imposed. >> And then uh again, Newfield Parkway in
this portion a county thoroughfare. >> Commissioner Heatherington. >> Yep. I am I'm going to accept the uh testimony of the witnesses or the experts and I'll second Commissioner Campby's motion. I have a request to speak form from
Jackie Thurlo Lipish. >> Good morning. >> Good morning. Jackie Thurlo Lipish, 18 Riverview Drive in the town of SS Point, just a few a few houses down from Mr. Knight Kipinger. Um and uh I think that
much of this project is um involving others than just him at that time. At this time I'm just since you all are getting ready to accept this perhaps could you please show on a map where these lakes are and that's a major bird
area. I mean, I'm just curious and uh perhaps all this has been done somewhere else, but it seems like for public purposes, it would be good to know where these are and uh or are they dead lakes? >> Does the applicant have a
I just have a print out of a master site plan? Probably not. assistance they turn to the applicant. So the um regulating plan I think shows where many of these are and we have got
like a piece of paper we can show you today but I don't know that there's anything that's not already showing up on what's in the you know article 11 plan mixeduse village. Um there's a graphic in there and appreciate the question.
This applies to all the newly constructed lakes. They weren't uh priorly existing. This was all part of the master plan development for new field where they had identified lakes in the original master plan and it just allows them to go to a deeper depth than
originally um uh in the in the in the land development regulations. >> Chairwoman may approach. >> Sure. I'm sorry, but so it appeared that you were speaking to all of us. So these are man-made lakes.
>> Okay. None of the natural lakes. Thanks so much. I really appreciate that. >> Mr. Campy, I was going to follow similarly. These are lakes that they could build and dig to 20 ft. They're just asking to be able to dig them
deeper. And just to re reiterate the fact that this project probably more so than any other project has set aside to Miss Thurloish's point about bird habitat. They set aside the Kiplinger conservancy
they have put as Knight requested uh thousands of acres into conservation land that will be preserved forever. So these are more like the residential lakes that are being or the you know on the side the portion of the project that
they are allowed to be digging 20 feet and now they're just going to dig 40 so that they can have enough product to utilize on the continued construction and development of this site itself. So but good point as usual.
>> Commissioner Vargas. Yeah, I I was just going to request if it was necessary uh because we had uh a member of the audience wanted to know about the map and how it was laid out if we could have one of those come up to be able to show
uh those that might have a question about this. I understand that they are man-made. They are not natural, but if they could be pointed out, that would be super. John Senate, Martin County Growth
Management. For the record, I'm going to pull up the Martin County LDR, the the regulating plan shown in article 11. I don't recall if the lake configurations are shown on that regulating plan, but I will pull that up right now. And I would
also like to clarify that this proposed ordinance does not grant any relief from the typical uh latoral planting requirements. All of these lakes are still going to be subject to that planting requirements along the lal shelves um which will
provide you know habitat for birds in the future. This is the regulating plan from article 11. Um it does not you know from a regulatory aspect have lake locations delineated. >> Unfortunately our doc cam is not
working. So you'll have to rely on your verbal descriptions. Yes. hold them up in front of us with it. >> But so we did bring um James did bring a print out and we can show you but I apologize for not bring preparing something better for you since we're
just asking for a text amendment here. We didn't bring any, you know, site plans or graphics because this amendment will give us the potential ability to dig deeper into man-made lakes. It's not guaranteed. We still have to be able to pass all the safeguards and thresholds
that Mr. Higgins helped Martin County put into place when they originally passed the the article 8, I think it was, um, text amendment. And so this is just the option to potentially dig deeper in these man-made lakes that we have on this piece of paper to show you
today. Um, so why don't you kind of just describe where they are. So James will be better at this picture painting than me. Uh so so again uh we've got the regulations that are already in place in the Martin County LDRs. Those prescribe setbacks from wetlands and features like
that. And then we have a conceptual storm water plan that uh outlined different types of drainage basins, the water quality requirements um and stage storage requirements for those. So based on the setback criteria for these wetlands that are I think we have almost
400 acres of wetlands on the site um and then the locations of where we need storm water ponds for water quality and attenuation. That's how the lakes had been uh located. And so those locations have not have not changed. Uh thus far we've only dug one
of them on the far north end of the property. And then there's been a second lake uh that was needed as part of the Newfield Parkway widening project for water quality. and that was constructed and the the right of way was conveyed to the county because it's a separate storm
water system subject to a separate uh South Florida Water Management ERP. >> Commissioner Ks. >> Yes. U all of you did a great job uh presenting and speaking about the the matter. I I was most persuaded by what
Mr. Higgins had to say and it was very interesting learning about the what could be the concern with going too deep from what I heard was that there's a column of water called conate
water that's like salty and then if you get too deep you run the risk of contaminating uh the good water and then if you go down even further you can get into the Floridin, Floridin,
which has a similar situation, salty water getting into the the good water. And um I thought it was interesting that this is like a specialty of his. Um and that he's worked with Palm Beach
County on the matter. Um and I was quite persuaded by what he had to say. So I'm I'm comfortable with the notion of doing this. Uh we've done it in a couple of other places as I remember. So I will be in support.
>> Yeah, I'm not going to be supporting this. Um excavation rapidly becomes mining. Uh until very recently in Martin County, the uh maximum excavation depth was 15 feet until very very recently.
and it was 15 feet for a very good reason. Um, you'll probably if you've been around here long long enough, you'll remember that about 15 years ago, we had a statewide moratorum on mining because of
the damage that uh uh mining was was having in in in Fort Lauderdale in Broward County. Um, it it was so degrading that the uh uh aquifer there. And you also, if you've been around for a while, remember the debates over
Florida aggregates and the benefits that it was supposed to bring. And in it didn't bring any of those because it had been mined and it was full of chlorides. Um there is mining uh deeper endangers
aquifers. There is no doubt uh there's environmental damage that needs and we need to do all that we can to protect uh water quality in Martin County. This project was supposed to be the poster child for good stewardship of land and I don't believe that asking to
mine 20 ft deeper is being a good steward of the land. So there's a motion and a second. All those in favor >> I >> opposed opposed. That motion passes four to one with Commissioner Herd descenting. >> Thank you, commissioners.
>> Let's see. PH3 is 505, right? take up department one, office of management and budget items that require board approval. >> I've got a uh PH4 before department one. I'm two in a row. >> Okay. >> Good day for you.
>> PH4 in that case balance. Oh, yes. This is exciting. >> Yes, super exciting. Good morning, um chair and commissioners. This is Stephanie Merley. I'm the director of the office of management and budget. I'm presenting to you PH4, which are our fund balance
adjustments for fiscal year 2026. Um, this public hearing is our annual fund balance adjustment for FY2026. Each year once we close out the prior fiscal year, we update the budget to reflect the actual fund balance rather than the estimates we used during the budget adoption process. The majority of
fund balance adjustments are carry forward funding for projects that were approved in fiscal year 25 but weren't completed by September 30th, 2025. This adjustment allows those projects to continue without disruption and any remaining unassigned funds are placed
into reserves. For FY26, we saw stronger than anticipated non-advalum revenues including state revenue sharing, sales taxes, interest earning, and feebased services. Several parks and recreation facilities generated positive net revenues, allowing reinvestment into those
facilities through fixed asset replacement funding or FARBs. We are also replenishing and strengthening the disaster recovery fund to ensure we're prepared for future disasters or catastrophic events. These adjustments are a normal and sound
fiscal practice authorized under Florida statutes and were advertised in the Steuart News on Friday, February 20th. Um, and with that, um, staff recommends that the board adopt the FY26 budget resolutions to allocate the available fund balance as presented for the
continuation of business. And this is a public hearing. >> Questions for Miss Merley? Would anyone from the public like to address us? >> Commissioner Vargas. >> Yeah, I'm I'm sorry, Miss Burley. Uh,
very concise you always are, and I really appreciate it. You do know your craft. What is the amount? Am I missing? Which page might that be on? >> Um, it's a cumulative amount through um all of the general um the budget resolutions. There's 26 budget
resolutions. I could um name them all for you, but >> I see them. >> It so they cumulatively it's millions of dollars based on previous years um reallocation of all those projects and operations. >> All right. So it just be adding all
these pages together. Yes. Yes. >> Where there's a total. You don't have You're not going to make it easy for me. I I can add it up. >> I can get with you later. The advertisement had the total on it. >> That would be great. So, this will be carried forth. >> Yes. >> But forward. >> So, it's not an increase in taxes. It's just taking last year's leftover money
and reallocating it to this this year's um budget, which is basically just a general accounting adjustment into this fiscal year. >> Understand? It it's also important to note that we rely on that rollover amount in predicting your your overall
budget. So we um uh um next year's budget and this this budget actually anticipated these rollover funds um in order to accomplish all the tasks that were that that were included in our overall budget. Um thank you. That's
correct. >> Commissioner Caps >> move approval. >> Second. >> There's a motion in a second. All those in favor? I opposed. That motion passes unanimously. >> Excuse me. >> Now we'll take up department one.
>> All right. Um for department one today um our first item is uh permission to apply for the American Associations of Retired Persons or the AARP Community Challenge Grant. Our human services department is requesting um a grant application of $15,000 to provide access
to housing with increased safety accommodations for Martin County residents and there is no cash match required. Item number two is a permission to apply for the FY26 small county outreach program or the SCOP grant through FDOT
for the Southwest 84th Avenue and Southwest Bush Street resurfacing and reconstruction project. Our public works department is requesting a grant in the amount of 1,337,538 for the resurfacing and reconstruction of Southwest 84th Avenue and Southwest
Bush Street. There is a match required of $445,846 which will be funded with FY32 roads capital improvement funds. What's what's the uh new field connector? >> Jim Gordon, public works director. The uh road that Newfield is going to build
is 84th Street. So they're going to build the piece that's north of Bush Street up to Newfield Parkway. This grant is for the piece that's south of Bush Street down to 714. >> Was there ever a requirement that they resurface that also? >> No. >> So, just to rec to construct the
northern >> They're going to construct the the northern section which will take some of the um traffic pressure off of Newfield Parkway and Citrus Boulevard. >> Okay. Thanks. Item number three is a permission to apply for the FY26 SCOP grant through
FDOT for Southwest Sunset Trail Resurfacing and Reconstruction Project. Our public works department is requesting a grant award of $4,964,947 for the resurfacing and reconstruction of segments of Southwest Sunset Trail
and widening of the bridge with a culvert. There is a grant match required of $1,654,982 which will be programmed with the FY32 roads capital improvement funds. Item number four is a permission to apply for the fiscal year 2026 Florida
Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission State Wildlife Grant for the MC2 shoreline stabilization project. Our public works department is requesting to apply for $65,000 to design, permit, and engineer a breakwater to stabilize the
shoreline, add sediments, and plant mangroves that will improve the quality of nesting on Bird Island critical wildlife area. There is a grant match of $35,000, which is currently budgeted in the FY26 MC2 shoreline stabil
stabilization project CIP sheet. Item number five is a permission to accept the Florida Department of Environmental Protection or FD grant for the S1 canal channel enhancement project. Our public works department is requesting the acceptance of $1 million
to support the design and construction of regional water quality treatment improvements along the portion of the S1 canal adjacent to agricultural lands in Martin County. There is a commitment from the county of 250,000 and of county funds and we will also be addition
applying for an additional 1.7 million through future funding opportunities and the current funding is programmed within the S1 canal channel capital improvement plan sheet. >> Miss Merly, can you stop for a minute? Yes. Can someone please describe this
wonderful project? It's a pilot project. It's a terrific project. that's unprecedented and we hope that there will be many that follow. >> Uh my name is John Male, environmental resource administrator. So this is the first uh project that of a group of
projects that was identified in our 2020 water quality needs assessment where an innovative um engineering firm identified an opportunity for us to look at our conveyance systems in the county um what we commonly call ditches. um the
the county owns about 50 mi of of conveyance system that is wide enough and has the right basin loading to provide water quality treatment within the conveyance system. So essentially it's um they'll design some kind of of
um benching meandering vegetation implementation and and dredging to make those canal systems provide water quality treatment while they move the water through and hopefully also one of our objectives would be to increase level of service for flood protection.
>> And where is this? This is uh just west of it's at the end of Marl Street. Um in uh west end of Palm City Farms. Um it's on it'd be the west side of Hawks Hammock and on the west side of that
there's an agricultural operator that really goes from um Martin Highway all the way down to the C44 and that whole basin drains to the C44. >> And Hawks Hammock is a county owned property with public access. >> That's correct. You're welcome.
>> Thank you. >> And our last item is a permission to accept the FY26 Department of Children and Families or the DCF water safety campaign ripc current simulator for for ocean rescue. Our ocean rescue division of fire um rescue department is
requesting the acceptance of $13,900 for the reimbursement of funds for the purchase of a rip tide training simulator. Um, this program is used to support training efforts aimed at preventing drownings caused by rip currents. Um, and there is no cash match required from the county.
>> Commissioner Campy. >> Yes. I had a couple of questions about that. >> I expected those. >> And a suggestion. >> Sure. >> If there's anyone here from Ocean Rescue. >> Good morning, sir. Appreciate you. Um, I happen to be on a beach in Palm Beach
County this weekend and they had just recently installed a sort of a matting system that came up over the dune and then sort of found its way to the shoreline and right at the beginning of it, it said that it was u it was
provided by a grant by FPL. And I know that I think all of us have received emails uh asking for some type of an ADA ramp that would allow folks that are either in wheelchairs or have other some other type of um handicaps
that would be able to access the ocean. And so I figured this was a good time to segue if if you and Miss Merley could look into that FPL grant for specifically for the beaches. Um it was
probably 4T wide, had like where the sand could even pass through it and it went came from basically the parking lot right on the sandy portion up over the dune all the way down to the water's edge. And I know that we have had requests for something similar and since
it's a grant option and it it had like a 4ft x4 foot sign like tacked right into the sand saying that it was provided by a grant from FPL. So, I was hoping that that's something that you could look into if even if it was just one or the
ideally if it could be at a couple of beaches would be terrific, but even if we could just try it as a prototype test to see if it works because I know that, you know, our parking lots and our and our snack bar areas are ADA, but once you
get to the sand, you're out of luck. So, >> yeah, I'd be happy to work with the parks department on >> coordinate with FPL for that grant. Thank you. And then this with the rip current. Um, where will these items be? Like is this just where you train and everyone trains
at the same spot or is it going to be one in Hope Sound? Is it going to be one in Stewart? There going to be one in Jensen. >> Yeah. And for the record, Ian Moa, ocean rescue chief. So, we would have these portable uh machines. They're essentially just swim machines. So, if you ever seen you put them in the put them in a pool, you swim against them.
Uh they'll they'll work great as to simulate a rip current. So, we plan to partner with the parks department at Salish Splash to implement these machines in their pool and simulate what a rip current might feel like to the general public, but in a controlled
setting. Obviously, we don't want to throw people in the ocean into a rip current, say, "Hey, good luck." Right? So, >> see you on the other side. >> Right? So, if we can do it in a controlled environment, have some of our staff available to teach the public how to get out of a rip current, what to do, how to stay calm, uh how to call for
help, uh kind of give them the the the tools that they need to prevent a tragedy at the beach. >> Well, sadly, I think we had a tragedy not that long ago. So, I think this is the level of training, not just for our personnel, but for uh beachgoers, is a
great idea. Thank you very much for doing it. Commissioner Vargas. >> Yes. Um I think it's important at this moment because we are planning the Jensen Beach Cafe. We're right
laying it out. We talked about ADA and that's all fine, but is there something more that we need to do? And maybe in consultation with our parks director, we might be able to implement something like this for those that may not have the facility, you know, to walk on the
sand once they come off the boardwalk from the cafe. And also Stewart Beach, too, and bathtub. And I don't know if this pertains to any of the other um auxiliary beaches that are up and down A1A on Hutcherson Island.
>> Yeah, I certainly think it's important that we do have that ADA access um at our at our beaches and and our lifeguards, we do have the beach wheelchairs available. Uh so if if individuals need to get access to the beach, we do have those wheelchairs available so that they can enjoy the
beach uh and get access where where they need to. Yeah, I'm really familiar with it. They they house them at Bathtub Beach. >> Mr. Mail, may I ask you a question? What we were talking about a moment ago about this this new feature to enable
folks, you know, to to get over the dune easier besides wheelchairs because, you know, everybody's not there all the time from your department. me. >> Is there something that we could use for Hutcherson Island beaches from this
particular? >> For the record, John May, environmental resource administrator. I I can put on one of my older hats from state park days where we we I think what was mentioned, we would call it Moby Mat >> and you can roll this out and it it is very effective. It requires some
maintenance. It's doesn't you don't set it and forget it, but they are very effective. I think we would just have to look at the individual sites and look at the reach and the pitch and determine where where it's appropriate and and and um what the most appropriate vehicle is
for getting folks to the beach. It would be sight by sight probably. >> Right. So, this is a mobile mat. You said >> we call it Moby Mat. I think that's >> that's a vendor name for the product that's probably most ubiquitous for this. But it's it's >> So, so if I can jump in, we do have the
Moby Mat. We've used it extensively um at Bathtub Beach. It obviously gets deployed and retrieved, you know, as the beach comes and goes. Uh and uh our doing walkover structures have generally been all designed so they could have switchbacks for wheelchairs to get to
the beach and the accessible wheelchairs on the beach. Um I think some of the evolution is to have more atgrade crossings where it's easier to um using the combination either MOI maps or other stabilized ground to uh have the grade
easier to get to the beach. But um all of those uh elements uh we've we've employed and and continue to evolve uh um less costly and easier to maintain tools to get our disabled to the beach. Yes, I
understand that. So, is there something we need to do to look at because we're right in the planning stages as I say for Jensen Beach that >> we're we're required by law to provide these facilities and so we uh are constantly uh working on um uh with our
parks department on on those accessible routes um to to the beach to provide the same experience for those that are um mobile challenged as those that uh are are not. So, um you don't we the
direction we appreciate the the board's uh pointing that out. Um I think we will continue to encourage our parks department to see where else I think the grant um if there are some FPNL brands to get us some more of these mats. I think that's great. We will follow up on that. Thank you.
>> That that would be great. >> Commissioner Campy, >> just a two quick points. these mats at it was Ocean Reef Beach. Uh they were a couple of weeks old. They were just installed, so it's a new thing. And they're permanent. They don't
put them out. And you know, yes, I'm sure if you are mobility impaired, but also for senior citizens. I know, you know, folks, my parents are in their almost 90 years old, but still just to be able to
walking in the sand is tough. So this gave them sort of like environmental sidewalk if you will right down onto the onto the beach versus some seniors that come with the family and they were leerary of walking in the sand for a
multitude of reasons end up staying out by the parking lot and not being able to go. So just a suggestion when I saw you in the back of the room in your class A's I figured it's a perfect opportunity to ask. Thank you. >> Any further questions? Is there a motion
to approve department one? >> So moved. >> Second. >> There's a motion and a second. All those in favor? I opposed. That motion passes unanimously. >> Thank you. Department four is art and public places program manual and budget review for
approval. Hi, Commissioner. I have a little something for you. Who are you? Oh, I work with Susan. >> Oh, okay. >> Good morning. >> Good morning, commissioners. >> Susan Cororez, Office of Community Development. My uh community development
coordinator Elise Rafa is handing out some goodies to you. I am sorry that it's right before lunch and there are no snacks >> in there. So, that I I overlooked that, so I apologize. It's It's a pad. >> Um I will explain that
>> as we go along. >> Yes. And of course we did not forget Donna and Leila as well. >> Most important. >> Exactly correct when you're sitting here. For sure. >> Okay.
So, we're here to update you on the Martin County Art and Public Places program. This is a countywide program and along with historic preservation is managed and operated um out of the office of community development. I'm going to start with reviewing the
manual, the program manual. And if you had a chance to take a look at the old uh versus the new in your packet, it does become obvious the difference between the creative touch, which is sitting here to my right, and the not so much uh which would be me. So, the new
manual has a much more artistic vibe. It's simpler. Um, it's cleaner, it's shorter, and I think it really gets the job done. So, let's dive in. Our mission is to enhance Martin County's visual landscape by integrating public art into both natural and built environments,
thereby enriching the community's cultural experience and unique identity. And I read that because it is important to what we do. our program goals, cultural enrichment, artistic variety, quality and relevance, professional
excellence, and broad accessibility. When you look at the new manual, and I'm going to do a little bit of a summary for you, um, the relevant information has been reorganized with more of a values framework, and we
used these program goals. um and that helps steer our art uh selection and some of the investment decisions that we bring to you. Um the manual tries to follow the life cycle of a public art project. So we've rewritten a lot of the
narrative and put it into concise bullet format with headings. We worked uh very diligently with legal to present more consistency in our selection methods, our evaluation, our criteria, our timelines
to make sure that everything um matches, everything makes sense, and it's compliant and that all of our regulations are easily understood, clearly defined for the public and for
us. So, those are pretty much a summary of the changes of the manual, and I'm happy to go through it page by page, but I'm not sure you really want to do that. Moving on. Moving on. Okay, we're good with that. All right, so next, just a
quick program summary for those watching at home. Um, the program was established in 1997. We are governed by Chapter 13, Martin County ordinances. We are funded through a set aside of 1% on eligible county projects
and we have an annual allocation approved by the board of county commissioners in 2018 I believe of $50,000 per year if no set aside is available. We distribute those funds roughly 70%
towards the acquisition of new art and 30% to administration of the program and to maintenance of our inventory. The program is overseen by the public art advisory committee which we call the pack
kind of like OCD maybe better I don't know um they they are comprised of the seven members of the CRA board and they identify locations for new art. They look at uh the scope for artist calls and things that we put out to the
community and they approve those and they select artists and artworks to to recommend for your final approval of those artists and the locations of those artworks. This is a list of our inventory. You can
see the artwork name, the artist, and the location where it is in the county. Um, in 2017 when I first started with the program, we had 15. We now have 26 according to this list when I sent it through the uh
approval process. And since that, we now have 28. And we'll get into that uh in future slides. So, each one of our artworks has a maintenance program and it has which is a plan and a budgetary projection. I do
have budget pages to show you later on in the presentation. Our inventory is evaluated by our staff on a regular basis and we generally use uh professional restoers that we know here in Martin County on the Treasure Coast
um or the artist themselves is is often contracted to perform maintenance on their artwork. And I will point out this particular one for several reasons. Uh one is because it was maintained by the artist. Her name is Jessica Liddell and she came years ago, you can see in 2021
to restore this um wild, we call it Florida wildlife mosaics. And I pointed out especially because on each one of the bags that you were given is a Florida wildlife mosaic. We used this
this past Artsfest. I know um several of you were there and uh we used this as our art project to do with the community. So we gave out bags with their choice of uh the wildlife mosaic.
So we wanted to share that with all of you as well. Just to give you a quick look at our newest acquisitions. This is Serenity. She's a uh mosaic that hangs over at the Blake Library, acquired in 2023.
In 2024, we have Port Soleno Pelicans. Three beautiful pelicans in different positions and some interesting facts about Port Solerno and uh Pelicans acquired in 2024. Eight mosaic benches and artistic bike
racks for Rio. All of these, by the way, have been done by local artists right here in Martin County in uh again in Rio in 23 and 24. And one of the newer Manatee Pocket Moringfield facility is has received this gorgeous glass mosaic.
It actually goes on the building in that big square in the middle. Um and it's a gorgeous glass mosaic done by Jim and Tess Dirks. They had a store down in Stewart, a a glass store for many, many years. Um they've relocated I think up
on uh US1 uh and that was acquired just last year in 2025. >> Looks good. >> Yeah, it's beautiful. Um and this one recently acquired as well um is aptly named because yesterday on a very windy day we it was a windy day they would
never forget was installed at the patio in Palm City. Yeah, it was uh it was something. I will do a quick shout out to uh the field operations division. They're I don't know, they just work their magic and and you think that
they're just field ops and what does that really mean? But actually, they're fine art installation people. We watched it yesterday. There there is video so you will be seeing some of that. It's it's really it was really amazing. Um the other thing I'd like to say,
>> when will we be unveiling it? We will be unveiling Saturday, this Saturday, the 28th, at about 6 PM, right before the patio has its music series. So, if anyone's interested, come on down. Um, we've already had lots of
folks commenting. It is covered right now. We've had lots of folks commenting on it, um, especially during the installation. And I we don't have a camera here. And unfortunately, this was not included because it was taken yesterday by other art afficionados in
Martin County who stopped to take a look and give us their approval. >> Said that could be a sculpture. Those >> it could >> gorgeous. >> It could. So, our acquisition strategies are calls to artists, open project proposals,
direct purchase, which we have done a little bit of partnership with local schools, which we've done, and donation or loan. and we do have those as well. We do a lot of community engagement. Um it's one way of course to get the message out and let people know. And the
ways that we do that is artwork dedication ceremonies celebrating our new installations. We will have a few of those coming up. I'll keep you apprised. Sponsorship of Artsfest each year and community presentations to raise public awareness. So, just to give you a quick
recap of Artsfest, this was 2025 and we did a centennial theme. We had some local artists come out and paint murals of what they thought Martin County would look like in a hundred years. It was kind of an interesting day. Um, Artsfest
2024, we had our middle school friends all come out and show off their chalk painting skills. 2023 we did um local artists came and painted some picnic tables and these picnic tables were made by project.
So we got a a local nonprofit involved and then we did an auction um at Martin Arts at the cultural courthouse and the proceeds of these went back to Martin Arts and to Project Lyft. >> I think you guys should do that again. That was a great >> That was fun. Yeah, that was fun.
>> Good project. So, how does the public feel about public art? In 2023, Americans for the Arts did a public opinion study on the power of public art. And we've put up some of the positive impacts that they
discovered and some of the uh statistics that they learned and and really it's very focused on how art increases social cohesion, quality of life, community unification, cultural identity, and understanding.
And that's really what this says. So we decided we would do our own and last year we did how does Martin County feel about public art. So this is the survey that we did. It ran most of the year and you found it all kinds of different
places at community meetings, social media, our website, u in the lobby of this building. Um we pretty much annoyed everybody that we possibly could to answer. We had about 300 um folks take the survey and this is what they said
that they believe it's very important to have in the community. They said we were 46% good for art and public places overall impact. So I'm hoping in a year or two I'm going to bring you that where the blue part is
much bigger than all the others. They told us what they'd like to see. Um, the top three were sculptures, functional art, and murals. And I'm going to show you what I mean by functional art in a moment.
And where they have the most impact, uh, parks and recreational spaces and downtown and commercial areas all make perfect sense. And that's what we've trying we're trying to focus on those spaces. So the community feedback that we got as
well um were these prioritize durable vandalresistant materials which was an interesting take. I think it was an interesting answer. Most people don't really think about that unless they're actually maintaining uh these pieces. Engage local schools and community
members um which we do on a regular basis. And one of our community members recently is a local company called Printterra. They do 3D printing and I'm going to show you some of their work as
artwork in a minute. Uh showcase local cultural history and identity. And I just like to say that I think all of the county really is doing a great job on that. Hope Sound for example has I think over 30 local murals that they've done
with local artists. Um the new street lights, love them. They're the old ones that were renovated, if you will, reused um on Dixie Highway. They're the street lights that when Zeus Park was first
built, um the movie company from I guess Hollywood came and said, "We're going to use this place." Um and they put up those street lights and and the community came together and actually got those redone and they look fabulous. Uh they have an electrical box, a new
electrical box there with train station and of course they're doing the train station um depot uh part of one of our projects, but also the community is renovating that train station itself. We're doing it in Port Serno where we have the glass
mosaic and that really highlights uh parts of Port Seno that are real important to them. Um showcases water, fishing and uh a wildlife theme. So broad support, I think we're seeing that we do have some uh good support out
there and hopefully um that will continue. I know that we feel we have it here in this building as well. And we do provide opportunities for local artists. I think we have 19 local artists that have participated in the program uh so
far. And that doesn't include just artists from T-R the Treasure Coast. That's just Martin County. So just a quick peek uh this was the project that I said um
was 28 was 27 and 28. So the mural is number 27 and this is at the Hobound Library. They built a new gazebo outside their uh I guess it's the side of the library. And this is a
>> 88 ft >> 88 foot mural um being done uh by a muralist called Nathan Delanois. And it really showcases exactly what the library wanted, which was to have it
match the preserve where it is and showcase that wildlife and that scrub preserve uh and those types of flora and fauna, if you will, of the area. And there on the bottom, we have two bookbenches. And these were made by
Printer. Those bookbenches we sourced. They were very expensive, even more expensive to ship here. They were from a company, I don't even remember where. I don't know if it was in Europe even. I don't even know. >> And that was the only place we could
find them. And we had made a connection with Printterra for other uh things. And they decided, well, we can make them. And they sure did. And they're sitting out there now. each one on each spine there is engraved the name of a book
that is important to library members. Um so you'll get to see that. They look really fantastic. So >> and these are 3D printed. >> 3D printed. Yeah. So it was a great connection between a local small business uh art and public places Martin County Hopes Library just really kind of
checked all the boxes. So you can go out and see those. Um, for you, too. >> Yeah, they do. >> The mural, I believe, is done, and we'll be doing a dedication sometime soon. >> Some upcoming projects real quick. We will have more mosaic benches and bike
racks. It's a Rio thing. They love it. A few others. We will have some art going to Golden Gate to be on El Camino. So, we're going to be moving our Gresco pieces or some of them out of the Gazebo Park and onto the trail, which will be
fantastic. We're hoping to do a temporary sculpture exhibit in Gazebo Park. And Hope Library is looking for an ecoart project that we're uh hoping to work with them on. That is all I have for the PowerPoint,
but I'd love to do budget with you as well if you've got a few more minutes. >> Sure. >> Okay. Thank you, Donna, cuz that would have taken me about a half an hour. Okay. So, we're going to start with our maintenance budget. And you can see
we've got everything on here except for our newest pieces. And you can see how each of those when they come up for uh maintenance. When each one comes up for their maintenance time, we then put out um a
request for quotes from the artist and others that might be able to assist. We do try to make um some deals with the artists where they maintain their own and a lot of them like to do that. So that works out occasionally as well.
Right now we are busy doing selfish splash. We're refreshing the murals that are there. We will not be doing so in case you go and you see that the lazy river does not have murals anymore. There's a good reason for that. They were beautiful and we love them. But uh
the cement is not and between the cement, the sun, and the water, it you just have to redo them so often it doesn't make any more sense to do that. So, we're going to retire those. They've been retired and we're going we are going to look into something new for
that area. In the meantime, the others that have been in the sun for years are getting a refresh. So, that was, as you can see, scheduled for this year. So, we're doing that. We are also um going to be refreshing the Grescco before they go to Camino. And uh we are also doing
some maintenance on Serenity because she fell off the wall uh due to water damage. So we'll be probably hanging her in a different place, but those are our maintenance projects right now. Um can I just go to the next?
Yes, this is our capital budget. No, it is not. Here it is. So, here you can see that we've been very busy in the past few years um outlay of dollars for lots of new art
and we have put on here as well our uh possibilities in the future trying to give that a budget to see what that looks like. I think that the program has done a great job in utilizing the dollars that we have um and spreading
that out along around the county. Um so that's been we've been busy doing that. Any questions? You can see exactly what we've spent on everything and the things that we um put aside money for.
So, for example, uh, Artsfest allocation each year, uh, we we sponsor. So, that's a done deal. The mural program, we put aside money for the mural program each year. It doesn't mean that it's spent on that each year, but we just put it in there as a placeholder,
and if it's not spent, we spend it on something else as we go along. And then the last piece of our budget. It's a it's there's three pieces to it is our operating budget. Um and that is where
you'll see some staff time. We have a membership in the Florida Association for public art professionals. Um, we do some MCTV uh during our board meetings and then some administration which would be
things like events, brochures, giveaways, those types of things is all in included there. Do I have any questions on anything? >> Any questions? >> Excellent presentation. >> Okay. Yeah. Um, I'm just going to end by
giving you a a quote by Pablo Picasso. Art washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. And I tell you this because public art is really important. And I just wanted to say thank you to all of you for your support.
I think it makes all of us feel a little bit special. It makes our place special. I think it's obvious that it makes our residents feel special. And um Just as a personal aside, I just wanted to thank you for giving me the program
>> because it makes the day feel a lot less like work. >> Don't let Don, >> Commissioner Caps, >> I think you need a motion, right? >> I do. >> Move that the board approve the AIP
program manual update and the FY2026 budget. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? There's a motion and a second. All those in favor? I opposed. >> That motion passes unanimously. >> Thank you all. >> Thanks. >> I'm going to put it down to you or maybe hungry. I don't know.
>> Well, I I don't know. Do you want to take up Chansy Bay >> before lunch? >> Speaking to a group. >> We have a 13 preset. >> What's the 130 preset? >> 130 and 135. >> Why don't we take up Chancy Bay then?
>> Okay. So, >> no. >> So, we'll just we'll we'll break for lunch. Ed has a speaking engagement. >> So, let's come back at 1:30 for the presets. We'll take up the two P3s followed by Chansy Bay. So, hopefully that'll be maybe 2:30ish.
>> I'll I mean, how long is the Chansy Bay? I don't want to be the one that uh my friends have to wait that long. >> Well, we're going to have to come back at 1:30. >> Correct. That's what I'm saying. So that's why I did it because I figured >> if we would have to break for lunch because you have a 1:30 preset so we can't push it into the afternoon.
>> I agree. >> So I think we need to take a lunch break now, >> right? >> Yeah. Come back at 5, correct? No, we're gonna come back at 1:30 for a pre-saw instead of