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hood of the car or no is he a dancing with the stars or Test one two check one two test one two check one two mike you're just showing off stop it good morning and welcome to our April 8th 2015 board of county commission
meeting please join us for the invocation led by Father Christian Anderson from St mary's Episcopal Church good morning let us pray we thank you Lord for uh giving us the gift of this beautiful county and
the responsibility that it takes and you've made us stewards of it so with that comes great responsibility and great wisdom so we pray to you for your wisdom to be pouring through us so we may we become the lesser so you become the greater and in doing that we become
enlightened so work through us all uh let us walk with respect and walk with compassion and mercy for one another and most importantly keep our minds aligned with you oh Lord of love in your name we pray amen amen amen now please join us
for the pledge of allegiance led by Drew Brown of the Navy and Air National Guard navy i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all would you like to tell us about your service sir sure um I joined the Navy in 1980 and I served All right joined the Navy in uh 1980 and served four years in
the Naval Air Force um I was an aviation structural mechanic um but I volunteered for flight deck duty and I was the designation of plane captain which you did pre and postflight inspections of the aircraft and brief the air crew on
their upcoming mission terrific thank you that's it thank you thank you very much all right [Applause] always turn around never see a snake very humble yeah he's like "Okay I'm out." I was like
"Back to work." We have uh presets this morning at 9:05 we have public comment at 9:30 we have an update on our 2025 legislative session update at 5:05 or at the conclusion of our meeting we will have public comment there are additional
items consent 9 is a proclamation declaring Earth Day in Martin County consent 10 is adoption of a proclamation declaring historic preservation month in Martin County department three is our legislative session update there's a request to withdraw the plat approval
for 3600 Southeast Seoint Court uh is there a motion to approve the agenda uh Commissioner Herd I will move to approve the agenda with uh the additional items consent 910 departmental number three and request to
withdraw a departmental quasa additional number three there's a motion is there a second second there's a motion and a second all those in favor i opposed that motion passes unanimously we'll now move on to proclamations proclamation number one is
alcohol awareness month and here to accept is Joanna Green and Caitlyn Strickland good morningers alcohol abuse is a major public health concern that affects millions of Americans of all ages races and ethnic backgrounds in all communities which
also has a huge medical societal and economic cost community efforts including activities events and education regarding the effects of alcohol and substance abuse are dedicated to the prevention of underage drinking and other riskrehes among Martin County youth the
board recognizes April as alcohol awareness month and encourages citizens to join in efforts to diminish alcohol and substance abuse within the youth population of the Treasure Coast and as you said here to accept is um from Martin County Human Services uh Caitlyn Strickland is actually going to come up
and speak she's project coordinator good morning welcome thank you good morning good morning and uh thank you for your continued efforts in raising awareness for alcohol awareness month um alcohol use particularly in youth remains a
significant challenge that we face so we are dedicated to raising awareness and contributing a meaningful solutions uh we are addressing this issue by creating safe spaces for our youth in Martin County as well as providing trainings for our youth our educators our parents
um and other youth serving organizations uh we thank you again and I hope you have a lovely day thank you thank you very much excellent thanks thank you next up is a proclamation declaring
child abuse prevention month in Martin County Florida based on recent data 3.1 million reports were made to child protective services child abuse can have long-term psychological emotional and physical effects that have lasting consequences for victims healthy families an abuse
prevention program of helping people succeed serving approximately 400 families in Martin County is an evidence-based voluntary family support and coaching program proven to help parents provide the safe and stable environments children need for healthy growth and development the board urges
all citizens to recognize April as child abuse prevention month by dedicating themselves to the task of improving the quality of life for all children and families and here to accept from helping people succeed we have CEO Cara Stimson and Healthy Families program manager Carolyn
Moses good morning everyone um quickly quick introduction i've met most of you but not all of you my name is Cara Stimson i'm the new CEO replacing Susie Hutchinson as who retired at the end of 2024 as you may know I'm about five months in so nice to see some of you again and meet you if I haven't yet um
just quickly thank you for the support you all have consistently provided for helping people succeed you have been supporters of our individuals with disabilities programming and we appreciate that support as a quick reminder we also administer the healthy families program that Caroline will tell you more about we also have a full suite
of behavioral health services and early intervention birth through five programming that we offer in Martin County so just thank you um and we appreciate your support and I'll toss it to Carolyn for some more facts cara you're five months in of your 50-year term yes that is correct yes absolutely
each each director serves 50 years that's correct i'm glad that that is now on the record thank you uh good morning and thank you for this opportunity i'm very pleased to be accepting this proclamation uh my name is Carolyn Moses and I'm the program manager for the Healthy Families program
at Helping People Succeed um according to the most recent data for 2023 2024 the rate of children with verified findings of malreatment per thousand children in the general population in Martin County was 5.14 uh and the
statewide rate was 4.15 uh during that same time period of the children the families enrolled in healthy families Martin Okachobee who are among the families with highest risk uh only one out of 682 children served and none of the 138 children that
successfully completed the program had any findings of abuse or neglect um our agency brings additional awareness to child abuse prevention month through displaying blue pin wheels at our office and several local agencies businesses and community partners have joined in
the effort this year uh pin wheels for pre prevention is a national uh campaign to bring awareness to child abuse prevention efforts uh within communities across the country uh and in Florida it is administered or overseen through the prevent child abuse uh Florida program
in partnership with department of children and families and ounce of prevention um uh prevent child abuse of Florida believes that all children uh and families deserve to live in communities that have adequate resources to support families in the healthy growth of devel and development of their
children and prevention of abuse and neglect so through displaying these pin wheels within the community it is businesses and individuals in showing their efforts to support programs or do their part to um to prevent child abuse
and our effort within Florida to help children have happy healthy lives thus the reason for a pin wheel so there we have it thank you so much thank you very much a photograph got the fancy camera
lori you don't have to do everything anymore i'm running back and forth now hold in reinforcements uh let's see we now have uh public comments i have let's see two request to speak forms the first is Yeah
I have three the first is Robert Aronson followed by Tom Pine good morning good morning morning my uh question is for Miss Vargas miss Vargas you've got
the uh thing you sent me that was nice to send me that report on my property but where did you get it sir address your comments to the whole board please oh she sent me a be a
package on my property in Sugar Hill with somebody giving the uh report on the water wetlands any any information we can
provide you the source of that information sir but okay but what I want to say is that report was paid for by me i researched that that was my work my
effort but unbeknownst to me Sugar Hill has had a main water problem for 40 years and that Martin County was supposed to fix that problem
so what I'm saying is they never fixed it and that's why I have the problem and there's about eight things on the internet that show you the problems with the
water like the street levels every one of them is wrong every one of the street levels are wrong all the water converged on my property there's 100 homes in there no 99 homes i'm I'm the only one left so
all the water came down to me not a lot i mean I can still build a home but I can't build a home the way I want to build a home because of the wetlands and a lot of people don't know where wetlands even come
from wetlands become wetlands because that means there's no place for the water to go and that becomes wetlands when there's no place for the water to go so the problem being it was back in
the day when you research it and you can go online or the internet and look at that problem and that problem trickled down to me you've had 40 years of not fixing the problem
basically and to me that was a free ride but the real question is I'm paying taxes on a full acre to me that's totally unfair for me to pay taxes i've had the property 38 39 years
and I've been paying the taxes for that amount of time and I am not involved in the HOA as you pointed out while sue the HOA sir your time is up thank you
thank you thank you i'll be back this is a monthly thing for me now next up is Tom Pine followed by Kiana Kelly good morning commissioners my name is Tom Pine i live in the Jensen Beach area i've been a resident of Martin County
for over 50 years today in the consent agenda this county commission will approve $19,66,31123 that was spent between March 10th March 23rd of 2025 without identifying the payes or the purpose of the payments hiding where our tax dollar
are being spent is no less than a knife in the heart of democracy this is just how governments work in the banana republics why can't our government at least post them in the final consent agenda where exactly our tax dollars is being spent instead of hiding it from us
using the consent agenda in this nefarious way is how we got a county golf course that was originally proved for $5.5 million ending up well over $10 million all hidden in the consent agenda this is how greed overcomes
democracy the hurricane season is just around the corner and our federal government downsizing anything and all federal agencies including FEMA what is our local government doing in advance to offset the potential loss of
help the Martin County Taxpayers Associations thinks it's time to look at the cost of our Martin County Fire Rescue in 2019 Martin County Fire Rescue budget was $43,760,566 in 2025 Martin County Fire Rescue's budget was
66,000 350,650 that's over a 50% increase in just six years how many new This is How many new firehouses do we need as of today how much money do we have ready for any of
for them any anyone watching this county commission meeting today I would strongly encourage you to watch the January 28th 2025 commission meeting on YouTube or the county's website start time
2427 pay very close attentions through the last couple minutes this will show how our county government does everything possible to help out the good old boys buy some county property at a potential at a potentially great
price what you permit you promote what you allow you encourage what you condone you own thank you for your time thank you kiana Kelly is next and that's the last request to speak form that I have good morning good morning
commissioners on behalf of Children's Services Council of Martin County we'd like to wish the county a happy centennial 100 years of policy change and growth and with 100 years of that's a significant birthday i'm having a significant birthday this
year sometimes we like to do um significant things to celebrate and while zoning development and the environment continue to lead the conversations in many spaces I'd like to appeal to one more issue being normalized and that's literacy some time
ago Mississippi was 49th in literacy and last in math mississippi is also one of the lowest wage states and has struggled with economic growth however they are currently ninth and 16th in some subgroups they are also leading the pack in literacy and math journalists called
it the Mississippi miracle although it's the product of years of collective impact policy change and a shift on education educational priorities which they actually borrowed from us it is said that comparison is the thief of joy but when it comes to how to
improve our quality of living and our community we have to be willing to take a page out of the book of solutions martin County is the sixth wealthiest county in Florida on paper and one of only a select school districts in the country with a golf program and yet as many will learn during House of Hope's
poverty simulation we also have underhoused people living in the woods and in vacant lots we have children in gated communities and children beyond the gates that have the shared experience of neglect and learning loss we can do better summerslide is one of the most vulnerable times for an already
vulnerable population with more than 30% learning loss happening during that time we learned through the film Sentence that one of the tools that we have readily available that works is people power consistent adult presence it doesn't cost anything my ask today is
that the commission would be a community leader in volunteerism by allowing county employees one hour per week to volunteer during instructional reading time as an employee perk so that is something I just want you guys to consider during your centennial year of
policy i think that it would be awesome um we are working on strategizing with local businesses and small businesses and any business that hears this and is interested in doing that please reach out to me um it's Martin Reeds we are the county grade level reading program
thank you thank you [Applause] next is uh commissioner comments commissioner Vargas uh yes uh I do have a couple of comments um Jensen Beach uh we are raising in
other words bringing down destroying the existing cafe and the uh restroom facilities um if you take a run by there uh they're scooping up everything that's been there for about 40 years and we're bringing a new building in this should
be completed within the next two to three years so we're all looking forward to that our beaches are sought after and we have three terrific ones right on Hutcherson Island the next thing is uh yesterday early morning about 2 a.m
martin County Fire Department responded to a fire at the Langford Pavilion in Indian River Park and as we can see right now is probably due to a malfunction electrical fire with an air conditioning system we're still investigating and we're going to bring
that back as swiftly as we can just have to go through the hurdles of that so that will be back in full force hopefully uh within later this year but we'll see i'll keep you posted on that thank you Commissioner Caps good morning
i'll just make a couple of comments about the Hobound train station in Hobestown that was brought into town from out in western Hobound a few months ago or a couple months ago and uh the train station has been
put down on its permanent blocks and the wood deck on the front of it is well underway almost finished so it's looking better and I think there's going to be like a fundraising drive to
do a lot of the exterior work on the building new siding new roof that kind of thing and the interior work that needs to be done as well but things are coming along real well and we look forward to it being the permanent home of the Hobound Historical Society
thank you Commissioner Campy i'm all set thank you commissioner Heatherington I'm all set i have some things that I would like to bring up for your consideration commissioners i mentioned them at our last meeting as part of my comments about the uh ear amendments specifically to chapter 4 and that is that I would
like us to consider new policies in order to protect our western lands specifically I would like to propose consideration of supermajority votes for any proposal that would increase density or intensity outside
the urban service district uh Miami Dade has been doing this for over a decade uh that requirement for a supermajority for any change of of any land use outside the urban service boundary mine would be for
an increase in density or intensity uh also I would request that we consider having requiring a supermajority for any motion to move the urban service boundary i'd also like to propose a
consideration for a supermajority vote for any change on any future land use uh on any conservation lands we are poised to spend over $200 million in the next 10 years with our halfsent sales tax to
acquire additional conservation lands and I think that we need to do everything that we can in order to protect those lands because the voters gave us the ability to acquire those in order that they become conservation lands in perpetuity so I think that it's
important that we do whatever we can to make sure that they are conservation in perpetuity i also think that we would that we should have criteria uh for evaluating the environmental quality of land if
we're considering moving the urban service boundary much like the criteria that's in our in our agenda today for um evaluating uh conservation lands by the the uh committee there should be
criteria that are on that that tell us uh where the best spot is to move the urban service boundary when it's time to move the urban service boundary it's I'm not saying that there's that it's time now it's not not by any stretch of imagination but at some point there will
be a requirement that we consider moving the urban boundary and we don't have clear criteria for evaluating where we move it um so those are some uh additions uh to the comprehensive plan that I
would like to consider commissioner Vargas yes uh for those viewing and in attendance could you please uh give a clear explanation as to supermajority four out of five yep i' I'd like to require a unanimous
vote but I know that that's unrealistic um but four out of five for those very very limited very very important proposals to for change I think it's absolutely essential that we do what our uh residents have implored us to do
which is to protect our western lands and we're not we we we can do a better job of it yes thank you is there any objection any any those are your those are your commissioner comments i'm
not prepared having heard it from you for the first time to you've had a chance to think about it for a week and we're hearing it for the first time i'm not about to give direction on major changes i appreciate and could agree with some of the things that you said but throwing it down there in
commissioner comments I I personally don't believe is the way that we initiate new policy anybody else okay I will bring Mr caps what kind of a timetable would these uh comp plan amendments roll out
on like uh that's up to staff up to staff okay okay i will bring it up next meeting sounds good thank you Mr donaldson nothing for today thank you Miss Woods okay we will move on to the consent
agenda uh there are consent polls uh consent six consent seven and consent eight let's start with consent six do we need to approve the agenda first or do we already do that no
we'll we'll wait and see how after okay yeah we haven't approved the consent agenda yet okay uh the consent six is approval of the interlocal agreement between the Martin County Board of County Commissioners and the St lucy Fire District for automatic
aid good morning good morning and for the record I'm Rockco Napoli division chief of operations Martin County Fire Rescue and I'm going to pass it off to my colleague good morning for the record my name is Tom Hormosel District Chief of Martin County Fire Rescue martin County Fire
Rescue and St lucy County Fire District are looking to enter into interlocal agreement uh the purpose of this interlocal agreement is to meet the requirements set forth by ISO iso regulates that responding units to a structure fire must be within five road miles from a fire station to receive the
maximum ISO credits uh due to the Evergreen Club neighborhood's location in close proximity to the St lucy County border St lucy County Fire District has agreed to provide uh automatic aid uh by entering into this ILA it'll pro allow more residents within the Evergreen
neighborhood to benefit from lower insurance premiums u because of the lower ISO scoring um this ILA will not affect any existing mutual aid agreements that we have and there will be no monetary um exchange between the two agencies i'd like to open up to any
questions you may have at this point Commissioner Vargas yes I had requested this be pulled because I do understand about the lower insurance rates folks made a decision to move out there and you know that's their decision out there to do that so whatever the insurance rates are I think everybody's
suffering whether they're far out or they're in um or on the island um I I think my big question was as it usually is is there going to be any cost to Martin County taxpayers for this interlocal agreement there'll be zero cost to any taxpayers actually there'll
be savings because of the insurance premiums well it'll be savings to the homeowners out there not to Martin County correct any further questions we're going to vote on these individually so I'd make a motion to accept staff's recommendation
second i think it's great for the residents of Evergreen and and kudos to you for being proactive in negotiating for our residents commissioner Caps any further comments questions i think I heard that this was only a portion of the Evergreen neighborhood like in the
back somewhere yeah so uh right now station 21 uh covers exactly 100 homes because of that 5 mile radius so be getting into this interlocal agreement with St lucy County we'll be able to cover additional 114 homes okay any further questions there's a
motion and a second all those in favor i opposed that motion passes unanimously thank you we'll take up consent seven which is a request for a fourth amendment to lease agreement with the Children's Museum of the Treasure Coast
for their facility and leased area at Indian Riverside Park in Jensen Beach miss Mandy good morning morning all right i am Mandy John's Real Property this is a request for the approval of a fourth amendment to the lease agreement between Martin County
and the Children's Museum of the Treasure Coast to clarify the requirements under the lease relating to the Children's Museum's responsibility for the common area maintenance fee and uh an amendment to the boundary that was just added in the third lease amendment
commissioner Vargas yes I did pull this because I do have some questions um I see that um the this lease that we're talking about uh began in 2005 it's a 25-year lease which means 2030
we're in 2025 why are we agreeing to in 2016 the board approved a second lease amendment that gave them an adop an additional option for another 30-year term which would have put started from
the 2030 date they had to uh request that extension 5 to 10 years prior to that to the 2030 date so that was actually entered into in 2022 mhm okay uh that's extraordinarily long
um what do they pay a dollar a month uh I believe it's a dollar a year has anybody requested the 990 form from this nonprofit yes we get all the We actually just received the forms okay
well I'd like to see that also i've seen nothing on this i think that's way too long way too long for an extension of a lease have them come up and taste what they do yes commissioner Campy
thank you um I see Commissioner Vargas's point however I think part of that is when you're obviously newly elected those of us that have sat here for a while have had the chance to understand how we have created these relationships
with our not forprofits the Children's Museum happens to be the one that we're discussing today but whether it's the Elliot Museum or other locations if you don't have those length of leases they have no real ability to go out and raise funds at a grant level or at a major
donor level if you were going to write a check in this particular case to the Children's Museum for let's say $5 million from a family foundation they are not going to write a $5 million check to a lease that's 10 15 20 years if you don't have 30-year 40year 50year
sometimes 99year leases you won't have the ability to raise those private funds from foundations and private individuals uh that that's where the money comes they're in the process of a major campaign for a uh a planetarium and some
other projects so it's they also are completely responsible for the renovation of that particular building was derelct when they took it over uh and when I say derelict I tooured it beforehand it was nearly tear it down derelct and our
staff along with the individuals from the children's museum and their organization their volunteers turned that into a worldclass museum for children and young adults and parents grandparents so it's a it's we we should
be absolutely thrilled to have them in our community and and all we're looking to do is yes for a couple of dollars a year which was more just symbolic than anything else obviously um they handle all the work and that
building was sitting empty it would have been torn down and turned into a parking lot or grass and instead it's a museum that the community and the and the treasure coast and the southeast it puts us on the map so I think it's a remarkable idea i understand your
concern from a business mindset when you come in from the private sector into the public sector as we all are now there's certain private sector rules don't necessarily apply the same way because you have to look at the overall benefit
to the community that we donate as stewards of the government's property and money to an organization such as the group that runs the children's museum or the Elliot or the House of Refuge or
others um it's a huge benefit and I think it's a terrific idea and and I don't know if you've had the opportunity recently to hear they just made a presentation that I was sitting in the audience and it is remarkable what they have accomplished they also have outreach into the schools that they base
out of that area uh it's it's a blessing to have it in the community i'm thrilled thank you commissioner Heatherington i I don't know if I could add much on to that but I was going to say that the the partnership we've had and you are very successful um more so
than many organizations at doing your capital campaigns private donors so uh and taking care of that property very excited about the planetarium project that you have going forward so I will make a motion to um for staff's
recommendation of approval second Commissioner Vargas yes I understand everything you've said uh Commissioner Kampi um yes I'm from the private sector but we are responsible for our hard-earned taxpayer funds that come
into this county coffers um I understand about raising capital and having a long-term lease i know you said 99 years absolutely not i think that 20 years is more than enough and then to review again they can
certainly garner funds for their capital campaign with a 20-year lease um and they're paying nominal nominal this started at some point i don't know with whom oh the previous commission probably for $1 per year that's why I asked for
the 990 i would like to see that form also because this is pure profit for them the executive director would like to speak to us good morning good morning my name is Tammy Calabria i'm the CEO of the Children's Museum of the Treasure Coast i've been with the museum for 23
years um as a volunteer um for the first seven years as a board member um we raised $6 million non-taxpay money private funds only to renovate the built the abandoned building that was abandoned for 17 years
we did that all with private funds um we have continued to maintain the building the surrounding property we spend at least $100,000 on average a year on the building maintenance and improvements
alone so I I completely understand your concern and and your fiscal responsibility um as a business i know that the property was um purchased with um FCT funds as well
and there are parameters within those funds that um and guidelines that kind of dictate what goes in that um in the park and we fall right within the guidelines we do submit all of our financial documents our financial review
to the county every year as well as the insurance we pay $60,000 a year in insurance for a county building so I I understand your concern with the length of the lease but again if if we're committing to put we've put over $20
million into a county facility if we are going to make that commitment to do that and we have never used taxpayer funds to do it I I feel that in return that longevity of the lease you know is is a give and take you know at the end of the
day we don't own that building it remains a county building so we are doing our best to you know we take pride in keeping the maintenance up the appearance we want to make sure that it is a stellar um presentation for when you enter that beautiful park area so I
just kind of wanted to give you a little bit of that history that you know we we don't expect taxpayer dollars to fund the museum we are a nonprofit so at the end of the year we don't profit at all from the services that we're providing
61% of the services that we provide in the community are free to our community so um I just wanted to kind of give you a little bit of that history so I know you are new um to the to the commission and if you ever have any other questions please feel free to reach out to me i'm
happy to take you for another behind thescenes tour and give you a little bit of more in-depth of um who we are and what we do thank you very lively and enlightened discussion and good points everybody uh there's a
motion and a second all those in favor i opposed opposed that motion passes four to one with Commissioner Vargas dissenting uh the last consent agenda item is consent 8 which is a uh an agenda item on our environmental lands
acquisition program mr mail morning chair board thank you it's John Mail uh your environmental resource administrator this item is to uh adopt the um environmental lands oversight committee manual which will
define the roles and responsibility of the ELOC staff it will also give guidance to uh the ELOC on how to receive and review and then provide recommendations to the board for nominations to acquire land um through
the program commissioner Vargas well I'm the one that pulled this um I did have a question and I just want to um give some information as to my concern for this um when we did float
this in front of our voters uh we did state that it an independent audit would be conducted every 12 months with a presentation to the board my understanding is that the um
entity would be our clerk's office Barton County Clerk's office and um deciding whether or not they're going to have in-house staff conduct the audit or uh farm it out to an outside consultant
i would prefer it to stay in-house i think that they're very capable rather than spending additional funds to make sure it's thorough and that we have the report to be able to have time to review uh we are our goal is to raise
$223 million over 10 years it's an awesome responsibility and I'm careful with every nickel that's brought in in case nobody's noticed but anyway that's where I always go i was run after the purse and I wanted to be sure about this and I
think I have an explanation that's clear in my mind now thank you Commissioner miss Woods I was just going to reiterate what uh Commissioner Vargas said which is the audit would be performed by our clerk of circuit court and comproller that's part
of her constitutional duties miss Gordon can you put up page number 184 so this is I think an excellent part of the committee's responsibilities instead of just being emotional about oh I love
this property it has to be evaluated in in uh very very uh individually succinctly the these categories are terrific uh it it's really going to lead to a uh really sophisticated uh result
so great criteria i don't know who came up with them but nice job Mr mail can't take credit for this motion to accept staff's recommendation second there's a motion in a second all those in favor i opposed that motion
passes unanimously thank you thank you and is there a motion to uh approve the remainder of the consent agenda motion second there's a motion and a second all those in favor i opposed that motion
passes unanimously we'll now move to our 9:30 preset which is our legislative update there we go department 3 good morning good [Applause]
morning okay how are you good um I just wanted to give a really brief um update we're past the halfway point during session um it was great i had uh Commissioner Vargas come visit and Commissioner Heatherington last week for Treasure
Coast Days um so it's been a super successful session um 1,900 bills have been filed down from last year which was around 3,000 bills um 961 in the House 955 in the Senate um the budgets have
been released in each respective um chamber the Senate budget coming in at 117.3 billion and the House budget um at 112.9 billion um for 4.4 billion difference in the two so they'll have to
um by day by the end of session have to come together and agree on one one um one budget so we'll see how how that goes um and the current budget for um this this current fiscal year is at 118 uh billion so just kind of give you a gauge of it's lower and then this um
budget year is lower than the past historically um so that's where we are with the budget um our local bill that we've been um working on is um place has been on placed on the special order calendar for tomorrow um so that's one step closer to its final passage um it
needs to be heard by the full house then it'll go over to the Senate they'll take it up at some point and then it'll be heard by the um full senate and then wait signature from the governor so that that's all I have on our our Martin County side and if you have any specific questions I'd be more than happy to try
to answer at this time questions for Miss Powers any bills of note like the SB 1118 1118 yes so that bill has been is stalled in the Senate currently it's had one hearing and no hearings in the House
at all so um we're just over like I said just over the halfway point so committees will stop meeting this subcommittees definitely stop meeting either this week or next week and then full committees um and it'll be all just floor session so anything that hasn't been heard um in at least one if not at
most two committees is probably not going to pass anything can happen disclaimer um but it's not looking like that bill specifically has much movement right now commissioner Vargas yes um I was looking at the explanation here and
this refers to uh services by health care providers in the event that there is no contract with Martin County when when might that happen um what might be a circumstance Mr donaldson maybe um it is
actually uh when when we have uh inmates uh uh in our prison they become our responsibility they have no insurance and we're required to provide them any medical services that they need so the hospitals if uh uh if we don't have a negotiated contract with them then um
this is the floor this is the this is a local bill from Martin County only um and it follows the same standard that the state has set for itself with the state inmates that are around the state u and it also follows a local bill that
St lucy County adopted last year so it provides us that in the event that we do actually we routinely have to take our inmates to the hospital on occasion and uh and it does set a a uh a limit on
what they can charge um and to mitigate that risk in the past we use third-party providers who would be an intermediary to um negotiate uh a contract or to try to um limit our risk um the problem with
that has been is that the the providers we have have not been um always paying their bills on times and other reasons that uh uh it is it has come to uh um uh a problem between
uh our third party providers and so this bill will allow us to go back to to having contracts directly with the hospital so it'll benefit our relationship and it benefits the taxpayers in having a maximum out-of pocket uh formula
okay commissioner Caps yeah i've noticed that the budget's going down a little bit this year and you know we had heard uh comments earlier about how local governments need to make their
requests to be leaner and smaller because of of uh sort of seismic things going on in state government and I wondered if you had any comments about what's motivating that and yeah you know so I I think you know in the past
there's the the non-recurring funds so appropriations I I don't remember the exact number but it was to the tune of like upwards of 600% in the last 5 years since co um the state was granted um funds for during COVID from the federal
government that was able to we were able to increase the budget and get more line items um line item projects as an appropriations and those I think the speaker had committed to cutting those and um advocating ating more for grants that are already in the budget so you
know and like we use a lot of D grants so instead of using a line item you know we go after grant funding and in our our responsibility would be to instead of going after a single item would be to advocate for more funding to D or FOT versus single line
appropriations and that was um that was a house the House speaker committed that early on this year to minimize that so any other comments about the the temperature in Washington and the things going on in Washington with Doge and
that kind of thing and how how federal funds uh might be affected that flow to the state which flow down to us right uh I think we're still in a waiting period we're seeing you know what's going on with that i don't think to to date nothing you know concrete has has
affected us locally yet but we're still monitoring um what's going on up there and Doge has come to Florida as well um Governor Dantis has implemented a Doge committee as well so that's happening here as well commissioner Heatherington what's the um
position of the bill that included some protections for Jonathan Dickensson State Park that had been going kind of back and forth yep so Representative Snider's presenting his version right now um it has made it it's in it's the final stop in the House so they're one step closer um it's had one hearing in
the Senate and I believe it has uh one more to go so or maybe two more but it's moving in the House so um Rep snider's presenting right now and that was Senator Harold's bill correct correct so SB SB80 and then uh Sners is 209 good for her local so is SB80 moving uh it it
has had one stop so far so we'll see we're in February yeah we're we're monitoring that i know there was um when I met with Senator Herold there was some um amendments being proposed so I think they were just working through um I I don't know the N she didn't share the nature of the amendments with me but um
I know that they were working on Okay that okay and also um Everglades funding seems to be uh really inconsistent wildly inconsistent u with the governor's budget and the House and the Senate what can we do to make sure that
the that the appropriation looks way more like the governor's than the Senates i'm going to let John answer that i know he's been monitoring that the Everglades funding a little more closely male environmental resource administrator um so the the Senate and the and the governors look very similar
although the Senate incorporated line item project budgeting for Everglades pursuant to SB7002 which kind of reformats the way the water management districts get funding the numbers are fine um at the
Senate um the House submitted some pretty substantially lower numbers um but as Sarah mentioned you know there's almost a $5 billion difference between their budgets the the House leadership was trying to put forward a budget where
they could with a straight face say that they can reduce sales tax by 3/4 of a percent and so they had to have some pretty significant cuts when they get to conference um you know they're going to have to they're going to have to come up with one number um we're pretty confident that between the governor and
the senate they're going to be able to to to preserve Everglades funding okay if there's anything that I can do as as you know if I if you need me to be in Tallahassee tomorrow I will be in Tallahassee tomorrow thank you whatever Whatever we need we need to make sure
that we're protecting our our county's interests we'll send our secret weapon up that's right anything else are you going back today drive safely thank you thank you keep up the good work thank you good job
we will now take up public hearing quasi judicial one which is a public hearing to consider adoption of an amendment to the Martin County zoning atlas to change the zoning district classifications for the Coral Gardens vacuum station
resoning good morning Miss Offenbach hello morning excuse me Commissioner Herd we need to take the regular public hearing before we take the quasi judicial cuz it's a Okay so which one is that it's public hearing number one sorry let's go to public hearing number
one which is a legislative public hearing to consider adoption of comp comprehensive plan amendment uh 2425 coral gardens vacation future land use map please proceed hello for the record my name is Amy Offenbach planner with
the Martin County Growth Management Department with me I have Leo Repetti with utilities and solid waste this is CPA 24-25 a request to change the future land use map for a property known as the Coral Gardens
vacation the property owner is Martin County and the applicant is the board of county commissioners this was heard by the local planning agency on April 3rd 2025 and the vote was unanimous unanimously
uh recommended for approval with a vote of four to zero this is the second public hearing for approval to consider consider I'm sorry consider approval so the request is to change the future land
use on 4.2 2 acres know known as Coral Gardens vacstation from institutional rec recreational to institutional general the utilities department would like to construct a
vacuum-based sewer system for approximately 638 homes in the Coral Gardens community and future um plans for the Coral Lakes community so the property is located south of
Southeast Pomeroy Street on the northwest corner of I'm sorry the northeast corner of Southeast Willoughby Boulevard and southeast Coral Lakes Way and it's highlighted here in red the adopted future land use map shows
the subject designated as the institutional recreation in green and the proposed future land use map would show the subject highlighted in this uh aqua color institutional
general let me go to 214 i'm sorry 219 so the amendment complies with three out of four of the criteria from section 1-11 of the comprehensive growth
management plan in order for staff to recommend approval and the only one that it doesn't comply with is C the amendment complies with all 13 of the criteria to dist discourage urban
sprawl required by state statutes and also complies with eight additional criteria that discourages the proliferation of urban sprawl and so the amendment is consistent with the comprehensive plan and also the
institutional general future land use is for publicly owned water and sewer systems and so staff recommends approval and this concludes the presentation
commissioner Vargas yes uh hi uh where are the funds coming from to build a station uh so th this uh again Leo Repeti with Martin County Utilities this project will be part of a future assessment uh we estimate the cost of
construction right now about $18 million we have a uh grant uh currently for $8 million towards this project and uh the majority of the balance will be uh an assessment uh using state uh using SRF
funds for the for the loan to cover uh the cost of the assessment the assessment to whom the homeowners that are individually benefited by this uh vacuum sewer system okay so then you'll have your $18 million y and that's that's the cost of it okay current cost
we have once we put it on the street and get bids back then we'll know uh definitive cost it's based on our latest cost estimates okay i just don't want you to be hemped in they say "Well you said it was only going to be $10 million and you know it's 11 million." So so you're you're speaking with the homeowners association about this
keeping them apprised uh we or you will uh we will be yes okay i think that would be very good just to keep feeding them information yes uh we So there's no surprises you know they say "Well we're not going to pay that."
Yes my suggestion we'll do all right thank you Commissioner Caps well this is a very exciting thing uh to see our septic to sewer conversions and I think it's good to
remind people of the goal 10,000 septic tanks in 10 years is the goal right uh yes that that our our goal uh previously said it was probably about six years ago and uh we uh by the end of uh the
completion of this project the completion of the old Palm City project completion of the porcelain vacuum sewer project and the other ongoing uh grinder programs that we're working on will end up with about 9,000 septic tanks uh availability
to connect 9,000 septic tanks to municipal sewer over the course of about 10 years nine to 10 years so we're we're pretty close on track that's great um I know there's like a priority system and figuring out which
neighborhoods we should target for subject to sewer and maybe you could comment a little bit about why Coral Lakes and Coral Gardens is a priority and how how the water travels from those neighborhoods into the river i think
that would be interesting as well sure uh so as far as uh priorities uh uh back in 2015 I believe it was they uh did uh Captech our consultant did a analysis of uh the major communities and the need
for septic to sewer conversions and they looked at various elements such as uh proximity to the water the age of the community do they have central drainage the depth to the water table uh a whole bunch of criterias and they ranked those and put uh priorities forward
which neighborhoods we would do uh we would do first um the uh we've gotten through uh north of a shores both phases of that we've gotten through Golden Gate uh I believe our next project on the horizon uh with the announcement of the
grant at the last commission meeting for Ports Leno uh new Monrovia uh we also have 100% plans for the old Palm City vacuum sewer project we have 100% plans for this project so um and we have I
believe about 90% plans for Rocky Point so uh we've got a lot on the horizon and uh we're ready to move forward getting shovels into uh into the ground very good very good um as far as how the water travels from these neighborhoods into the river I know there are like
some deep ditches uh between Coral Lakes and Coral Gardens is that kind of the way the the water travels that's the primary drainage between those uh those two communities eventually uh that water works its way out I believe out to the US1 system and then ultimately out to
the Manatee pocket if I'm not mistaken and every community is a little bit different in Old Palm City for instance uh there are multiple ways everything between Danforth Creek and the river directly and and um I don't think Bessie Creek but there's other uh lots of ways for the uh for storm water runoff which
may be uh laden with nutrients from runoff from septic tanks and flooding yards and things like that uh can get to the river in Golden Gate uh there was one outfall that ran down St lucy Boulevard so uh there the the uh
potential uh nutrients could be concentrated in one discharge so every neighborhood's a little bit different good and then uh one one other question i heard 638 homes correct and those are
just in Coral Lakes or Coral Gardens only in Coral Gardens coral Gardens and then this facility you're putting in will also eventually service coral lakes as well uh correct uh and how many more additional homes would be there you
think 90 somewhere and I used to live in Coral Lakes i should know the answer 125 150ish also can I interject coral Lakes yet um they don't have water so they the homeowners still have to
petition and submit that in order to get water and then we would move on to sewer so this would serve as Coral Gardens and then Coral Legs who is for 20 years have been talking about getting water they need to petition and vote in favor of
getting the water then they would be eligible for sewer and right now Coal Gardens the vacuum station the the grided network of vacuum pipes is 100% designed permitted ready uh ready to go once we get the future land use and the resoning and then we can move forward
with the site plan and then move forward towards the next phase getting it uh to construction it's been interesting learning about sewer systems and the difference between like the grinder kind and the vacuum kind and as I remember if
you have a vacuum system you need like a lot where you can put this building and this big thing inside the building right uh as opposed to the grinder system where you don't need that kind of thing that that's correct and uh typically they uh if you look at the north of a
shores uh two vacuum stations and the one in Golden Gate uh they were in a neighborhood uh they they look pretty much like a uh neighborhood home lapsiding tin roofs little Koopa some uh uh Bahama shutters so they blend in with
the community uh there really aren't uh vacant lots in Coral Gardens and because of the tight density and having the ability to to just across the canal having county property to be able to put this vacuum station uh it it benefits uh our our site plan process uh we also
will be able to access our facility for maintenance off of Willoughby instead of in through the neighborhood and when when I talk about maintenance we typically have somebody out there once a day uh just checking on things everything's monitored remotely via SCADA so uh but uh if we have to bring in any trucks or equipment it would be
off of Willoughby instead of through the community of course if there's issues in the community we'd obviously deal with them directly and one more characteristic uh between the two different systems uh the vacuum system is more expensive upfront but is cheaper
in the long run and the grinder system is cheaper to put in but more expensive to maintain in the long run so as far as long-term maintenance uh I think our oldest station is about 17 years old and we just went through some major renovations is the one out at
Lighthouse Point in Palm City major uh upgrades to pumps and things like that it's got a very large storage tank that all of the waste get pulled into before they they're sent to our plant for treatment eventually those tanks they have a finite life uh they'll need to be replaced they're they're costly so the
the vacuum sewer maintenance isn't necessarily um uh it may be low on a daily basis but the long term there are there are some costs associated with that on the vacuum sewer the the the I'm sorry on the grinder sewer the cost of maintenance
are replacement of of pumps which have an estimated life of 15 years meantime between failures so uh as far as the overall cost we have to build a vacuum station building uh with backup power all the vacuum lines throughout the community and all the pits uh very
costly capital uh upfront whereas the grinders we're doing neighborhoods with small diameter 2 in and 3 in maybe even 4in diameter force mains uh via directional drill not very disruptive uh they can go in very quickly uh suited to
doing uh small neighborhoods but uh uh the majority of the cost on the grinder sewer is on the homeowner's property installation of grinder station the electric and uh abandoning the septic tank and doing the connections whereas on a vacuum sewer the on-site cost is
just a lateral from the building out to the vacuum pit so uh a little bit different costs up front versus uh um uh but you're correct Commissioner in the fact that the vacuum station uses far less labor uh to maintain in the grinder
systems we have to have far more um employees per per home if you will to to maintain the system i remember hearing about the unique problems that the Grinder system bring when there's a hurricane yes you've got a real crisis
because you need just slew of people out there working on these things in every single yard right they uh they they don't we rely on the homeowners power to to operate them and so if there is widespread power outages we have to have
roaming uh staff with generators to to uh have them pumped out once or twice a day so that the homeowner is still able to use their system where the vacuum system has one generator that serves the whole community and one employee can manage you know hundreds of homes as
opposed to roaming employees dealing with all the vacuum stations i mean the grinders as far as uh daily day-to-day maintenance on the on the grinders uh right now Martin County Utilities does not have uh dedicated people to service only grinders we have just over a
thousand in the ground and they're relatively maintenancefree so we we haven't had to build a grinder maintenance program uh there are staff that are trained in uh the repair and maintenance of those stations and if there's a call out from a homeowner we'll go out those and address those we might have maybe three calls a week uh
for some uh some issue out of a thousand which is which is pretty good um as far as the hurricane uh preparedness uh once you lose power you also lose power to your water heater your washing machine to your uh dishwashing uh equipment and
your water uses are going to be lower our basins have storage volume of about 80 gallons before it would uh fill up so you can still uh do some periodic flushes of the toilets wash some things in the kitchen sink uh maybe take a quick cold shower if your water heater
is not working so that that's a possibility uh and then uh I was out with staff uh we have pickup trucks with a portable generator and a 100 foot extension cord and uh during Nicole and also during Milton uh we had neighborhoods that were uh had lost
power and we went out there and uh once a day went out and were able to hit 100% of the homes that uh uh had uh had no power uh the thing I found surprising is of the homes that were still uh that were still without power uh for
residents that were actually at home about a third of the homeowners have some sort of backup generator whether it's a portable or it's a whole house generator or they're using load shedding for a partial house generator surprised how many people really are are uh taking the opportunity to have provide their
own power you know on themselves instead of relying on FPNL uh you know is obviously getting better in uh doing power restoration um in the event we have a uh very largecale hurricane uh we're part of a mutual aid society
called Florida Warren and if you would think of Martin County taking a direct hit the folks in Orlando and North and the folks in Miami South are pretty much unaffected and if we need staff to come out uh if I need a twoman crew with a pickup truck and a 6,000 watt generator
100 foot cord I'd put that call out onto the website and then utilities would call back in and provide that mutual aid assistance uh we have a system of uh we know all of our uh customers they're in sequence uh by neighborhood and by street so it's just a matter of handing
an atlas to uh an outside consultant to go out there and and pump all of them down so we we have a an A plan a B plan a C plan so we're uh we take the threat of power outages seriously and want to ensure that uh people aren't um you know there's enough inconveniences without uh the inconvenience of not having toilets
to flush very good thank you i certainly understand being self-sufficient about power in uh 2004 uh I was without power for two weeks for Francis and then two weeks for Jean so four weeks in September which is no fun
commissioner Heatherington yes pending any public comment I will move staff's recommendation for approval miss Alenbach I'd like to add that since this is a county initiated um amendment the public proof of public notice has been included in the
work file excellent and just for context this is the subject property down here and the Coral Gardens neighborhood is this rectangle here and this is the coral lakes
and also Mr repetti you said that the this project is 100% designed and permitted palm City old Palm City is 100% designed and permitted and Rocky Point is approximately 90s something% designed so give me a a uh tenative
calendar for when we might expect for these projects to be begun and completed uh so uh with the three projects that are moving forward our goal is to have all three of them on the street over the next 12 months uh and I forgot Port
Solerno and New Monrovia too uh that would that would be uh our our priority based on the latest grant we got is to get uh Port Soleno New Monrovia on the street first okay and then once once we get that on uh on the street and and as you can imagine a vacuum sewer is kind
of a specialty thing i can't put all three of them on the street at the same time i mean we have to have contractors that you know they'll know who have won this one and then other companies will bid okay I didn't get this one so now I'm going to try to bid on the next one so we obviously have to stagger the start of those and these are these are
also neighborhood restoration projects so water sewer resurfacing uh yes drainage yep and uh some of the neighborhoods public works has moved out ahead of us and done the drainage and upon completion of the uh vacuum sewer system they would uh then move forward for the resurfacing of those roads okay
thanks Commissioner Heatherington how many contractors do we have pre-qualified that are eligible to bid on these vacuum stations uh we uh we had gone down the road of pre-qualifying uh contractors and then uh we determined
that wasn't the best interest to get the largest pool of contractors uh so we we no longer have a pre-qualification of those contractors and we've not had any issue with performance on these vacuum sewer good okay so so it's open for bidding throughout the state and
otherwise correct do we the more contractors are eligible to bid now which is a benefit to our residents that's correct thank you good any further questions there's a motion and a second all those in We need public comment is there any member from the public who would like to address us on
this issue seeing none then we have a motion and a second all those in favor i opposed that motion passes unanimously we will take up P8 public hearing quasi judicial number one which is a public hearing to
consider adoption of an amendment to the Martin County zoning atlas to change the zoning district classification for the Carl Gardens vacuum station resoning um this is a quasi judicial uh public hearing uh Commissioner Vargas any
exparte disclosures uh none and my report has been filed excellent commissioner Caps if I have any they have been filed if I have any they've been filed commissioner Camp if I have any they've been filed which I have none and Commissioner Heatherington i do and they've been filed and have you
submitted your paperwork to the clerk and there is not an we're the applicant so we ready to proceed we have to swear on the witnesses please that's right we do do you swear or affirm the evidence you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the
truth i do please proceed so again for the record my name is Amy Offenbach planner with the Martin County Growth Management Department this was heard by the local planning agency on April 3rd with a unanimous recommendation to approve 4 to
zero this is concurrent with CPA 24-25 a reszoning to for the Coral Gardens vacation property on 4.2
acres from the PR district to the PS1 district property again is located on the northeast corner of Southeast Willoughby Boulevard and southeast Coral Lakes Way highlighted in red here
the two zoning districts that implement the institutional general future land use are the PS1 and the PS2 the PS1 has less intense uses and that's what staff is recommending to change the zoning district
to this is the permitted uses table 3.11-2 both zoning districts allow the utilities and each permitted use is marked with a P this the tables
3-12- 3.12.1 and 3.12.2 are the development standards for both districts and they're both the same the required uh open space is 40% this is the adopted zoning atlas
with the subject designated as PR public recreation and the proposed zoning atlas would have the subject designated as PS1 in this dark blue color for public
service and so this amendment complies with the comprehensive growth management plan and the standards for zoning uh standards for amendments to the zoning atlas of the land development regulations and staff recommends approval this concludes the presentation
elder Lee Elder Deputy County Attorney can we just confirm that notice has been provided yes thank you notice has been provided along with my work history commissioner Heatherington pending any public comment I will move staff's recommendation for approval second
um Mr repetti I know that in the case of of uh Rocky Point that the parcel that we set aside for the pump station uh which is serving appro the approximately same amount of of homes is a 100 ft by
100 ft why do we have 4.2 2 acres in this why don't we Why didn't you just take a portion of the 4.2 acres and leave the remainder public recreation u just working with uh growth management staff it was it seemed like it was just
the the easy thing to do is to uh just do instead of carving out a separate parcel was just to use the entire just change the the future land use and zoning for the entire parcel uh our impacts to the property if I could ask Amy to go back to the red polygon that shows our uh overall
site uh if you were to look at the uh aerial crossing associated with the uh getting over to the school uh our building is actually going to be north of that and then our driveway is actually going to be opposite uh opposing the driveway lined up with the driveway on the west side of the road
just north of that overpass so uh we're despite that there's there's a sign for public notice uh on the intersection of Coral Lakes Way and Willoughby uh are actually we're leaving all of that land alone and we're just moving the the land uh moving the building to the north side
of that so uh instead of just trying to carve out something we have no intentions of doing that clearing we're still subject to site plan uh we once we get approved uh here then we'll move to site plan and uh we'll work with staff to minimize our impacts that's encouraging that would make it a nice uh
neighborhood park right Miss Offenbog um I just wanted to note that the PS1 and PS2 districts both allow public parks active and passive okay i'm I'm pleased that you're isolating it on the northern side where it looks like it's most appropriate and that building actually
becomes adjacent to the Coral Gardens neighborhood instead of the Coral Lakes neighborhood okay good and there was there was some concern about the Coral Lakes neighborhood when they saw the sign at the intersection thinking they were going to build something right off of that in fact we've um we're looking to do our driveway opposite the other driveway initial there's some talk about
connecting to the Coral Lakes Way driveway with our driveway and um it it makes sense to do it off of Willoughby instead great thank you Commissioner with the vacuum system you could do like a splash pad or something keep it uh we discourage the public from interacting with our uh utilities
facilities own suggestions on that commissioner Vargas okay so my understanding is that you will change the zoning but it can still be used for the system and also for public park area is that correct
that's correct more and more there's also a public park across the street here with the bridge pedestrian bridge accessing it so people can walk through here walk over the bridge to get to the park it's walkable that area that
we're talking about the subject parcel okay i I was just concerned if we're changing the zoning if that would still be permitted commissioner Caps I'm good i'm sorry is there any public comment seeing none there's a motion on the floor is there a
second blake Caps was a second there's a motion and a second all those in favor i opposed that motion passes unanimously thank you thank you thank you uh okay we'll take a 10-minute break take a break
anybody else wants to go you're on we are back taking up uh agenda item number uh let's see department quasi judicial public hearing number one we already did that one yeah
two we'll take up two then which is a request a plat approval for the new field cross crossroads phase 1 A3 project so we're I'm here for one yeah i I I was Sorry we did one no we didn't department
I got bad gouge from my fellow commissioner i'm taking up what gouge gouge navy term oh I'll have to look it up and see if you're telling truth um so we are taking up uh number one which is a request for approval of the Martin's
planned unit development parcel 38-40 Martin downs village center revised final site plan Mr elam oh this is quasi judicial uh commissioner Vargas any exparte disclosures uh not that I know been filed commissioner Caps if I have
any they have been filed if I have any they've been filed commissioner Campy I did have some i have filed that and Commissioner Heatherington i do and they've been filed and have you submitted your information to the clerk copy of my work history and the agenda item excellent uh if anybody's going to
provide sworn testimony please stand up raise your right hand and be sworn in do you swear or affirm the evidence you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth please proceed thank you Madam Chair
commissioners uh for the record I'm Brian Elim the principal planner with growth management department to have this agenda oh yeah this is a request by Insight Studio Incorporated on behalf of Bricksmore
Property Group for approval of a revised final site plan to construct two standalone restaurants with drive-throughs totaling approximately 4,678 square ft within the parking area of the village center an existing commercial development located on
parcels 38 and 40 within the Martin Downs planned unit development the applicant provided an approval letter from the Martin Downs Property Owners Association for this proposal and included with this request is included with this application is a
request for a certificate of public facilities reservation the approximate 20.12 acre property is located on the southwest corner of Southwest High Meadow Avenue and Southwest Martin Downs Boulevard in Palm City the Martin Downs Village
Center property was platted in 1985 the existing zoning district on the property is the Martin Downs Planned Unit development zoning agreement approved on August 8th 1980 the property has a commercial general underlying future land use this is sheet one of the revised
final site plan which shows the two standalone drive-thru restaurants on either side of the main drive aisle into the Martin Downs Village Center development the 77th amendment to the Martin Downs PUD approved the maximum commercial square footage for the village center at
102,045 square ft and a maximum office square footage of 21,871 square ft the 77th amendment also established minimum setbacks for new buildings at 100 ft from Southwest Martin Downs and 75 ft from Southwest
High Meadows High Meadows Avenue this proposal meets the setback requirements of the 77th amendment and is within the square footage thresholds previously approved for the Martin Downs PUB Village Center with this proposal the total commercial square footage is at
99,452 ft which results in approximately 2600 ft of commercial square footage available so here's the two new proposed uh fast food restaurants a traffic impact analysis was performed by Kimley Horn concluding the proposed
development meets the concurrency standards within the Martin County within Martin County and the length of the eastbound right turn lane and the westbound left turn lanes at the intersection of Martin Downs Boulevard in the project driveway were sufficient to accommodate project traffic upon
buildout in 2026 the traffic division of the public works department found this application in compliance so what they're speaking of here are these turn lanes here eastbound and the westbound which isn't really showing up here but it's here to turn into the main
entrance to the Martin Downs Village Center a parking analysis was performed to determine if the reduction in parking supply upon buildout of the development would be sufficient for the Martendale's Village Center the results of the parking analysis show the proposed development is adequately
parked breaks in the existing medians of the main entrance will be constructed that provide an alternate circulation path for traffic to the fast food restaurants so currently there this proposal is showing a break here in the median a break here and a break here
those aren't currently there those are part of this proposal and it allows you to have a circulation path prior to entering the entire development and having to come back around um break noisy yes indeed we are but not every day just two Tuesdays at
least it was a cool song right uh this is an excerpt of the landscape plans which in addition to providing landscaping for the two proposed restaurants we'll be planting 173 upsized shade trees preserving 117 existing trees and establish over 3,000
native shrubs grasses and ground covers to enhance the visual aesthetics and provide functional benefit for water quality and storm water management just a picture of the u the Wendy's elevations complying with commercial
design and the Chipotle elevations development review staff have found the Bricksmore property group application to comply with all applicable regulations of the comprehensive growth management plan as detailed in the staff report
review of this application is not required by the local planning agency and staff recommends approval of this application we move that the board receive and file the agenda item and all its attachments including the staff report is exhibit 1 and move that the board adopt a resolution approving the
revised final site plan for the Martin Downs PU parcel 3840 village center pud project and that concludes the presentation commissioner Vargas I have a question for Bricksore and what's the name of the other company we'll have their
presentation first if you don't let's do that i'd like to hear applicant would you like to make a presentation good morning good morning brian Terry with Insight Studio happy to to run through a presentation um thank you
sir um Mr elum's done a a very thorough job i'm going to I I have some duplication in here i'll try to keep it to a minimum for for time but um uh again we're we're here on behalf of Bricksmore um this is a good opportunity it's an infill opportunity um on the
Martin Downs Village Center to uh again bring bring some additional activity into that center it certainly it has um seen a renovation really recently uh there has been some new tenants brought into the facility but u this is an opportunity to really take advantage of
some underutilized land um that's fronting on Martin Downs Boulevard so obviously I think everybody's very familiar with the location at this point in time um it was touched on the existing this is part of the overall Martin Downs PU and again just to touch
on the fact we are not amending the PUD this is certainly working within the parameters of the existing approval and the square footage and the uses that were allocated in those original approvals and then subsequently amended over the years um some existing photographs uh you can
see uh this is obviously the parking lot itself is is fairly underutilized I think you could say um it's based on the total square footage that was you that was constructed and based on the code um I'll touch on those parking requirements here just in a bit but as was mentioned
we have done parking studies and analyze how um what the necessity is for those and and certainly the addition of these two buildings the Chipotle and the Wendy's um certainly fit in there we are removing some parking spaces but there's
uh adequate um spaces in the in the final design to accommodate for all uses on the property uh again there is there is a history here as was mentioned this was originally approved back in 1985 uh ultimately uh had been amended a couple
times over the years but um again the square footage and the uses were permitted and uh defined within those original approvals so as was mentioned these numbers are slightly different than what you just heard because we're talking about gross total building areas that were going to be permiss per
permitted um so you have 123 916 is the is the maximum buildout it's going to be at 119560 with these two buildings added into the existing square footage and then you can see below that the parking um based on the code criteria based on
the uses and the total square footage is there you need 5 u 23 parking spaces there's going to be 570 ultimate design and configuration of the site so uh meeting those criteria as well um there's two affected areas again so that
main entrance road that comes in off Martin Downs the Wendy's is on the we'll call it the east side the Chipotle would be on the west side and those are the affected boundaries so meaning the areas that we're going to be modifying the existing parking um to to place the building structure in there and then
reconfigure for the drive-throughs and the parking that will surround it so you can see how those sites would look in the in the uh final design um as was mentioned by Brian there are two new access points so coming in this main drive which is how to typic you come into the center today you have you would
have to come all the way up to the actual main kind of looping road that runs across the front of the center um there will be new driveways placed in this location so that you can veer off of that main that main roadway and then into either restaurant that you may be
may be going to um also traffic was also a significant portion of the review of this obviously there was um you know each of the turn lanes going both eastbound and westbound were looked at very closely to make sure that they're adding these two facilities those capacities would still be met um which
they they have proven to be [Music] um we also talked so again actually this is kind of showing how that site circulation works where that intended you know new access point is going to be right here to gain access to both of
those restaurants again a quick just summary of the parking table so that you can see how um we meet all those criteria a brief summary of the trips that are generated as a part of this as was mentioned you know these types of uses are really a
function of the local um the local residents the local people who are uh on those roadways whether they're going to work whether they're coming home from work whether they're going to um running errands throughout the days these are passerby types of of uses um and so you
know you're not getting you're not getting trips from long distances coming to a Chipotle there's probably one near where they wherever they may be coming from um one of the most significant improvements I think that you're you'll ultimately see with this redevelopment is um the the expansive landscape
improvements that are going to be done on the entirety of the front of the center and then as well as some in the rear certainly over the years there's been some uh trees that whether they've diseased or or wind damage whatever it may be that have come down in in certain portions of that parking lot some of the
landscape has has kind of um fallen in a bit of uh disrepair and so part of the staff's work with us was to look at ways that we could try to improve not just those affected areas but certainly the landscape throughout the entire center so we're way above code criteria that
would be required for what's being proposed here but really the intention is to then beautify not just those out partials but the entirety of the center itself um I think you saw the elevations but again to the Chipotle elevation um
as well as the Wendy's elevations that'll be a part of that uh uh we did um work through the Martin Downs Property Owners Association we made them very aware of our application we've been in contact with them for well over a year throughout the entire process um
they did issue a letter in November uh indicating their support and approval of the proposed uh modifications and the buildings architecturally themselves so again we really appreciate your support um it's a final site plan uh we're not amending the PUD working within the
confines of the existing approvals and um happy to answer any questions you have we have a group from Brooksmore as well as architects uh here that can hopefully answer any questions you have commissioner Vargas
okay i have a couple of questions sure uh which I already spoke with staff about um I understand that there are plantings that you're going to put because that looks like a very tired shopping plaza and that's a kind comment
u being in the real estate business are you going to be putting larger trees than just little twigs that take 60 years to grow we are yes a lot of the landscape materials that are being proposed the trees are
bug above that minimum specification that would be required um I mean they're obviously they're not fully mature but they're they're more mature than is the minimum um size standard in a lot of locations yeah and and shrubbery and the shrubbery as well right i mean we have a significant amount of
shrubbery that's going in um obviously we're specifying things that we think are going to do well there's going to be some irrigation upgrades to to help maintain those in the long term um and so yeah we think that this is going to look significantly different than maybe how you experience it today yes and um
the other thing I have a question thank you uh is about the the asphalt you're going to asphalt the whole parking area it looks patchwork um I I know it's required but I'm giving you some professional a professional
opinion and if you want to attract good quality first class tenants and people don't like to drive over you know bumpy roads enough of those understood so it there's a material and I think that maybe somebody else can
speak to it you don't have to scrape up the whole pavement you you coat it i don't I don't remember the proper name maybe you can help me out uh there to to be able to look uniform uh nice new Paul Schilling growth management director so I think it's it's planing the asphalt
and then resealing it or putting a top coat on it um I have not traversed this site recently it's been several years but um the construction area will of course have a new appearance but any of those areas that are maybe being neglected
maybe there's some potholes or something those could be uh garner the attention of the applicant well I'll definitely bring that to the attention of of of who who makes Who's the decision maker who are you this will be Bricksmore yes and uh are you Bricksmore i am not i am
within Who's Bricksmore oh please come up i always like to speak with the decision maker but I hired him to talk yeah I know but you know he's not going to give you the full story so anyway my suggestion and I already spoke with staff about this is
that it according to the suggestion of our director from growth management that you make it all uniform you don't want patchwork because it looks like the same thing agreed we can reseal the front parking lot but you know we can't do the back we can't do all of the entire
parking lot we have a lot of landscaping that we're adding to this center resealing the front restriping I don't we don't have a problem with that okay so you you heard the product that he recommended or the procedure it's that's my novice opinion
and as far as asphalt uh but I think the message is that it should have an appearance that is not uniform i got you you'll make money trust me on this one you'll be fine i know the shopping center it's a nice center but tired you don't want that you're you're putting
forth a lot of effort and money to do this don't do it half i'll leave it there don't loot at half okay we will incorporate thank you i really appreciate it thank See I knew she was reasonable okay thank you okay now now you heard her right absolutely okay fine
so you you'll follow so order the little machine that rolls the tar or whatever it is i don't know that's the one that's the one okay campy are you done i think so but I I could come back for more no I'm just saying I didn't want to I wasn't sure if
you were done um I'll be honest when we first when I first heard about the application I was nervous because as you can imagine people in Martin County and Palm City in general get panicky about anything that's new
so I took um sort of an unscientific poll of many residents friends co-workers people that I run into and I said "Hey have you heard about this opportunity that's coming to the plaza and I would tell you it was you know
universally very very positive uh people love Chipotle absolutely love it i I literally when I mentioned it to people like "Oh my god that's fantastic." Like so really very positive for the Chipotle wendy's I think is a very legitimate and when some people said Wendy's I said
okay well if it wasn't Wendy's what should it be and nobody really had a definitive suggestion so everyone says well Wendy's is the So I compliment you on both of those choices i think that they will uh benefit the community uh
but my biggest um praise would be and you and I had this conversation um beyond building the new facilities um and I'll tell you I've been my parents have lived across the street there in Martin Downs
for 35 years so we have seen you know that plaza really from the early days and you know it's interesting and I want to reiterate the fact that the the whole concept is from 1980 and 1985 so when folks that moved here 18 months ago say
stop ruining our community I want to remind them that this project has been around 1980 I was in junior high so it's been around a little bit uh but my biggest benefit and I think the biggest benefit and my biggest praise
for you all is a complete redo of the landscaping i think it'll it'll add a freshness to the entire site beyond the fact that you're building two restaurants um I know you didn't necessarily have to do that but I'm very pleased that you did you know as
Commissioner Vargas says it's a return on investment for businesses but for the community uh people getting off the turnpike uh going anywhere primarily in in northern central Martin County
Stewart Jensen SS Point Hutchinson Island if you're coming off the turnpike you have to come down that way so it is sort of the the sort of the front door of all of Martin County Palm City and so to give that very large
uh very uh definitive portion of Palm City a a refresh uh especially considering that you've layered in some and this is more I guess for the property managers uh some really
fantastic tenants uh you know the rebirth of Palm City Grill to Fin and Flame was a great idea there's a lot of professional buildings i know you got a new optical and and so the the the plaza is in a rebirth never mind Palm City
Social which is absolutely fantastic and then you know and then I know that the Chinese restaurant is expanding into a a place there so the plaza is really um through your tenants has really seen a a great improvement so now to do the
landscaping over and some of the parking um I think it's a great benefit for a majority a vast majority of Palm City residents and Martin County residents and as you said a lot of people are just going to be passing through that might stop and grab something so with that I
would make a motion to accept staff's recommendation for approval and thank you for reinvesting in our community and for uh the additional tax base and a and a Palm City refresh thanks Commissioner Vargas i'm sorry Caps
commissioner Caps yes um as far as the landscaping goes um I don't think anyone mentioned the word native trees and I know I can't tell you what kind of trees to plant but you know hopefully we're keeping that in mind um you know that
you know in a lot of older developments have sort of like these uh cheap builder grade trees that are not high quality trees and not native and you know there's this push and trend toward native trees which are much
better and that would be a request you know I know I can't require you to do things like that but uh hopefully that you're keeping that in mind absolutely I'm not looking at the landscape plan but I do remember I mean the large majority of what we have on the site were natives right i pulled this from
our landscape um reviewer and she's very demanding okay good we we we did spend a significant amount of time working through the plans with her and I think that we came up with what a plan that
everybody um felt was going to be successful i mean yes these are her words 3,000 native shrubs grasses and ground covers to enhance the visual aesthetics and also I remember um that a lot of these trees they got tree credits because a lot of the trees they were
putting in I think were all native I believe um and they're all I think twice the size they're larger than they have to be so they got tree credits for the fact that they increased the size of the
of the minimum requirement so um I I do believe they're all native they are good good uh my next observation that kind of jumped out at me as I was reading the agenda item
summary and it says the Martin Downs PU PUD agreement approved on August 8th 1980 and you know the big watershed moment in Martin County history was 1982 when the comprehensive plan was
adopted and and it's just a little side note about the history of Martin County and when I think about it huge things that happened in Martin County in the past um certainly the development of Martin Downs was a gigantic happening in
Martin County and it's interesting i've heard little side notes in the past about how that de developed and the key players involved and it you know it'd be interesting to know if it even could have happened like it did under comp
plan rules you know that that's been an interesting topic as well but it's all part of uh the major things that have happened in our history and and it's it's very interesting to think about the third thing I wanted to
mention was um when you when an applicant comes in and the first time we hear from them it is for a uh final site plan
approval um the words that always pop in my head are by right it's kind of like a byright development is that a correct assessment Mr donaldelson uh like when someone comes in for a final site plan approval
and that there's not a comp plan involved there's not a zoning change involved uh oh you're the guy to talk to yes sir paul Schilling again for the record like the first time we hear from him is for the site plan right you know yes sir uh
that's by right right generally speaking yes with a few exceptions um this application today is in in compliance with the PUD which has had 77 some odd amendments throughout the years and
decades in fact so uh and is in full compliance with the criteria for the commercial square footage etc etc um I don't know specifically as far as um I would be hesitant to say by right
but it is in compliance with the PUD which is the zoning on the property so one could assume that it if I meet those criteria then the site plan should be approved mhm u some other instances when it's a straight zoning project as you know maybe in this case when the zoning
was GC is in lie of PUD that is considered at times um by right project if that helps are the words by right uh like in the comp plan or is that kind of like um nomenclature you know like an
informal type term when someone says I I'm I'm building this by right that's kind of an informal phrase yes that that's interesting any further questions comments for either staff or the applicant
is there any public comment Is there a motion i have a motion in there's a motion and a second all those in favor no we don't have a second oh we don't have a second i'll second it with There's a motion in a second i was just going to second all those in favor i I
opposed that motion passes unanimously thank you thank you very much don't forget about my paving make sure you make a note there when you go out and check the next item is DPQJ which is a quasi judicial public hearing uh requesting
plat approval for the new field crossroads phase 1 A3 project and staff presenting is Mr aguilar good morning good morning madam chair how are you good how are you doing well excuse me commissioner we need exparte
communication we do commissioner Vargas any exparte disclosures no if I have any it's been filed commissioner Caps if I have any they have been filed if I have any they've been filed commissioner Campy if I have any they've been filed and Commissioner Heatherington if I have
any they've been filed and Mr aguilar have you pre presented your information to the clerk i have excellent um we anyone who's going to be providing uh sworn testimony please stand up raise your right hand and be sworn in
do you swear or affirm the evidence you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth please proceed thank you Madam Chair good morning members of the board for the record my name is Louis Aguilar
principal planner for the growth management department i'm presenting a plat application for a property owned by Madame Palm Beach LLC this is a request for plat uh plat approval for new field crossroads phase
183 phase 1 3 includes 155 lots four civic areas and associated infrastructure on an approximately uh 32.56 acre site the subject is a
portion of the approximately 139 acre uh crossroads neighborhood phase one master plan the subject site is located northeast of southwest Newfield Parkway approximately
7 mile south of C23 canal in Palm City this is um the overall site of uh for phase 183 the plat is consistent with the plan this is the first page of the plat which consists of a complete set of 13 pages
included in the attached documents bless you and this is the overall uh development plan review of plats is now required by the local planning agency final action on this application is required by the board of county commissioners in a
public meeting development review staff have found the application to comply with all applicable regulations and the comprehensive growth management part uh plan as detailed in the attached staff report the county surveyor's office has
reviewed the splat application for compliance with applicable statutes and ordinances and finds it in compliance staff recommends approval of the new field crossroads phase 183 plat and we recommend to move the board
receive and file the agenda item and its its attach attachments including the staff report as exhibit one and move the board approve the new field crossroads phase 183 plat including the contract for construction of required
improvements and infrastructure um this this is the only the end of my presentation and I would like to add also that um the applicant um has a presentation okay questions for
staff then applicant would you like to make a presentation mr fitzgerald good morning Madam Chair commissioners uh my name Oh thanks my name is James Fitzgerald i work with Madame Holmes i'm the director of development so I'm
ultimately responsible for bringing a new field to fruition thank you for your time this morning so as you know we're here for a plat but I wanted to just take an opportunity uh because the master plan was approved back in 2020 just to provide some additional context and answer any
questions that you may have um on the screen here is the May I stop you just for a minute can you make the screen the full presentation i know sometimes when you're watching it at home that's a very small image i'm actually going to bring the the
PowerPoint presentation perfect thank you thanks sorry about that uh so this is the illustrative master plan um you know we've had a lot of exciting uh infrastructure projects and things of that nature going on recently that I just wanted to share um you know as a
strategy and from a branding perspective what we've done over the last couple years is try to bring forward um you know exciting public benefit based projects like the Kiplinger Conservancy trails as well as the new field farm uh prior to you know opening the
neighborhood so what we've done at this point is we've placed conservation easements over about 1,800 acres of land um that constitutes the Kiplinger Conservancy in it we've uh opened about 10 mi of trails we've opened one trail
head um on the north end of the property and then we've got the second one that's under construction now and we're hoping to have that completed by the end of May and we've also as of last month got uh the first ever as far as I understand uh FWC gopher tortoise recipient site
approved u in the Kiplinger Conservancy as well uh so we're very excited about that in addition um if you've been on site you might have noticed uh a lot of activity within Newfield Parkway which was formerly known as Citrus Boulevard
uh we've added two roundabouts to you know really kind of try try to slow traffic down we've fourlaned that portion of the road which is about a mile and we've added hundreds of oak trees um and each of the roundabouts that cap this portion of the road uh
have you know really beautiful multi- stem ranch oaks uh so we've completed one of those roundabouts so you can kind of see those the landscaping there today and the southern roundabout will be completed along with you know substantially completing the road inside the next 30
days again we've um we've only come before you I believe for just the crossroads neighborhood as it relates to you know the primarily residential villages we've also come before you for the first neighborhood within SDW which is the workplace district all the way on the east side of the property um what
we're talking about today is the Crossroads neighborhood which is outlined in this black dash line and phase 1 A3 is about 32 1/2 acres uh there's 155 residential lots there's four civic areas that form kind of a
green belt that takes you from the perimeter of the neighborhood uh and it takes you all the way into the town center which we have a final site plan application in for the first two mixeduse buildings now so this is kind of a a contextual uh
illustrative site plan where you can see how phase 1 A3 and as well as the farm and the model area which is 1 A1 which is kind of in the the background here fits within the overall site context and I think that there's also worth noting um as it relates to the
civic open space area which 5% is required by code uh that constitutes about a little less than an acre we're providing uh 3 acres here in the form of these pocket parks and uh some of these outward facing parks that are all open for public benefit and
access so here's a more zoomed in uh kind of illustrative site plan here where you can start to understand what the massing looks like um as is the case with the models which I think that you've all seen uh everything is you know all the garages are accessed from alleys in the rear so it's all
rear-loaded product so you're not seeing these big garage doors on the front facades um you know you've got these beautiful front facades that kind of create a walkable environment along with generous you know wider sidewalks and you've got um porches on probably about
60% or 70% of these homes and then some of the smaller product like the town homes or villas have um stoops that are between 5x5 and 8 by 8t wide so in addition to some some of the
residential areas which I think um the the image on the top left portion of the screen uh kind of accurately depicts these are the models that have been completed uh that frontal linear park this is probably I think a good uh representative image of what you'll see
in the subject area of this plot especially when you get to kind of the perimeter of the community in the T3 transact zone which has the wider more generous setbacks um we also have you know some pocket parks that I'd mentioned uh the one on the right top
corner is one that's within the model block as well that's been completed we've got a very similar one in this phase um and then the bottom left image is actually an internal park that uh is under construction that's within this phase you can kind of tell which one was
the professional photography and which one was my iPhone but I'll leave that up to you and um we also have like I mentioned a civic amenity uh that we're anticipating starting in the next month which is a 9-month build um that kind of
is where the linear park system uh feeds pedestrians and that is the two images uh on the bottom of the screen here so that consists of five pickle ball courts uh two pools a fitness area gym a yoga
lawn and then we actually have a bike share station that we're implementing there as well so this is a depiction from the illustrative site plan that was approved in the final site plan process um it shows you uh the transact zone allocation so you can see kind of on the
bottom portion of the screen uh the the purple area is the town center so we're about a block off of the town center um and the the green areas are civic open space which like I said constitutes about 3 acres and um the browns are the
T4 transact zone which has generally uh less wide setbacks which is a little bit more dense and then as you get further out in the neighborhood uh the yellow shaded areas depict the T3 transact zone which has the more generous setbacks uh the homes are set back further from the
the public sidewalk and so forth so that that's all I've got in terms of a presentation i'd be happy to answer any questions that I can questions for Mr fitzgerald commissioner Vargas yes so uh this is uh
you come before the hearing so that you can sell your lots is that pretty much it yeah that's what the plat is for that's pretty much what it boils down to yes this is already approved by the previous commission yes any further questions oh he was next mr caps um question or
two about the uh gopher tortoise preserve FWC recipient site uh does anybody know anything about the the health of the gopher tortoise population in the state
and in the region and whether we have enough of these sites uh to to put them perhaps you've learned some things about that you know what i have learned a few things about it um I don't know that I know enough about the entirety of the
population in the state but I do know I believe that they're threatened um you can see on the FWC website where the recipient sites are and there's very few of them from Martin County down to the Keys uh so we're proud to be one of them it took us probably about 2 years of
site work uh drainage improvements and then just the approval process through FWC to finally make it happen uh that included you know roller chopping dense saw pomemetto and then we had some prescribed burns as well so it was a fairly intensive process which I'm sure
you know some developers may opt to just pay the fee and and relocate the tortoises i'm proud that our company you know stuck through it made it happen and finally got it approved were there a lot of expenses associated with this i mean it sounds like it uh it was it was more
expensive than I think we anticipated but um we were happy to do it and um I was proud to be involved in it well well I applaud you for that i don't think you had to do that so uh that's pretty cool commissioner Campy thank you very much
knowing that in the past when we have had projects that needed to relocate gopher tortoises rightfully so our public and and some of the commission and our staff would be very disappointed that we would be taking Martin County tortoise
residents and relocating them far away out of our county and far from the area so when I first heard that you guys were thinking about doing it which we don't have it for the the county as a organization doesn't have it but now
that you do if we have to relocate within our own county I know that a lot of people were concerned that we were transporting them so far away uh so congratulations on that i know you're having an event to celebrate it which I think is is worthy of that i do know in
the past that even just relocating a tortoise is very expensive so I can imagine creating um a reciprocal a recipient site for it must have been quite a a process so thank you the second uh you know each time that you come before us and show
little different presentations can you go back to the photographs this now these are not uh especially the top one they're not renderings this is exactly what's happening out there i've had the opportunity I think most of us have at
some point or another to tour this and it really is um something quite extraordinary and different than what most people would think about like big development projects um it's not cookie cutter it's not mundane um it's very exciting i
think you can see the difference in the landscaping and the quality of the work and the backloading garages i think is is an interesting process it's much more challenging to create all the alleyways you're basically having to twice as many
roads um but I think it really pays off in the aesthetic and how it feels there and then the concept like you said in the top right with these more public spaces you know um having three I can't use the word children anymore because
they're basically adults um my kids are all in the mix my oldest just was able to purchase a home actually in Martin County um but they're what they are looking for this new generation this current generation of home buyers is totally different than what I was
looking for uh we wanted big yards we wanted all of those things that was sort of the sign of that you've arrived and I think young people have a different mindset where they don't want to have the responsibility of maintaining larger yard not everybody i'm just saying I
sense that um and so the ability to also the way that things especially post pandemic everyone basically their whole social network is online they don't meet and mingle in public anymore they don't have as many things as a lot of us did
so for you to have created these areas where you have fire pits and pickle ball and and areas where people can come and it's hard to see it in that picture but to the left of the pergola there is a barbecue and so you can come and and I think that is a a nuance to this
community that most people might not be thinking about and other projects that I've seen even some that we have approved don't either have the space don't want to dedicate the space for that but you have and uh I think it'll benefit you from a from a sales point of
view but I think it benefits us from a healthy and holistic community the last thing I would mention is I sat in a meeting I'm pretty sure all of us did with our library folks and that building here on the bottom right that's not the library is it that's not the library but
the library um in terms of its character is very similar kind of traditional architecture yeah sort of sort of um bridging two open public spaces so eventually when you come or our library folks come forward to show the vision that we have for the library
that you will be constructing and we will be operating I think is another uh great opportunity and advantage for this project being approved in the first place when Knight Kiblinger first mentioned it and then the team brought
it through and I know that Knight was very concerned about which company he would select and he went through a very specific due diligence process before he found madam i think he made the right choice and with that I would um make a motion to accept staff's recommendation
to help you move your project one step closer thank you Mr caps second is there any public comment mr fine would you like to comment good morning commissioners my name is
Tom Pine i've been a resident of Martin County for over 50 years it's quite unusual not unusual it's the first time that anybody stepped forward and created a tortoise enclave which is amazing and the map showed three
schools what it didn't show was any firehouses i don't know i can't keep up with all the different projects it may be in a whole different area but firehouses are becoming desperately needed and I didn't
see any on this map that we saw thank you thank you i can speak to the firehouse issue i know that the obvious answer would be that a fire station should be built in this neighborhood the more specific answer is is that if you
were to build it here in Madame um in Newfield a majority of the service circle would fall well out of the county since this project is close to the northern border of Martin County uh
nearly half of the service circle if you created a circle uh which I think they do the service area nearly half of it would fall out of the county into St lucy and Port St lucy though I know that uh during several other uh meetings we
have discussed um with a different applicant creating a western Palm City fire station that would be closer to the 95 interchange on Martin Highway benefiting a lot of our existing longtime existing residents
that live out on the Martin grade still participating and have the coverage for Newfield Steuart Weston Cobblestone any new industrial of projects out there so they will participate in the process of building a fire station but it couldn't
be located directly here because a majority of the service area would be out of the county any further questions comments any further public comment is there a motion there's a motion is there And there's a second
also right all those in favor i opposed that motion passes unanimously thank you thank you we will now move on to department one which is office of management and
budget items which require board approval good morning Miss Merley morning public comment good morning commissioners stephanie Merley here to present to you six items on OM this morning our first item is a
permission to apply for the fiscal year 202526 Florida Inland Navigation District or Fine Waterway Assistance Program our environmental resource division is requesting a grant award of $350,000 um for the Fiddler Crab Access Project
or formerly known as the Jensen Beach West Kayak Stand-up Paddle Board Project to enhance public access to water-based recreation by constructing a dedicated kayak paddle board launch facility a 288,000 grant match is required which is already budgeted in the Fiddler Crab
Access CIP sheet item number two is a permission to accept the local agency program or lap um contract for the FDOT Southeast Avalon sidewalk project um this is actually a reduction of the grant award
and match requirement due to the bid coming in less than estimated so it decreases the grant by 109,000 and decreases our local match by 177,000 um and we're just requesting the approval of this amendment to continue the
project through DOT item number three is a permission to accept the contract amendment number one for the FY25 mosquito control um agreement um this is actually a two-step process we were here on March 11th um with the same budget amendment and this
is the corresponding contract document in order to reduce the amount of the funding by $6,185 item number four is a permission to accept the FY25 Florida Department of Environmental Protection or the FTE wastewater treatment facility sand and
grit removal grant um our utilities division is requesting a grant in the amount of $59,437.50 um for removing accumulated sand and grit from the north wastewater treatment facility um there is a grant match of
$59,437.50 which is already budgeted in the utilities and solid waste operating budget item number five is a permission to accept the FD manity pocket southwest prong water quality retrofit grant um our environmental resources division is
requesting a grant award of $600,000 for um the removal of 334 pounds of total nitrogen and 234 pounds of phosphorus um from the downstream manatee pocket in Indian River Lagoon uh
there is a grant match of $400,000 which is already budgeted in the Manity Prong Southwest uh water quality retrofit CIP budget and the last item is a budget um transfer for um the medical examiner's
uh request for funds um the county received a request from St lucy County on behalf of the district 19 medical examiner's office um requesting a salary adjustment um due to industry trends and workload volume of autopsies um the
medical examiner is requesting a total increase of $127,857 per year but is requesting for the remainder of this year an amount of $12,276 to fund the medical examiner's request and that's all I have questions
for staff there any public comment there a request to approve these items i'll move staff's recommendation for approval commissioner Caps i'd like you to take you back to number two the sidewalk you
know on Avalon Avalon Drive um I'm curious about how funding for infrastructure and roads and that kind of thing works this is from the FDOT but what I'm curious about is does
all that money really come from the federal government and that's given to the state and then the state gives it to us yeah yeah there's two ways that we gets funding for DOT they have um uh gas tax that's uh the state has levy gas tax um
that goes to the state the um the federal government has a share of gas tax of which Florida is still a donor state to the nation in terms of fuel tax you know we get less back than than the citizens of Florida pay and and its
guests pay into it so that does come back to the DOT and I think there's also in case of the state they also use some general funds that also some way work their way into the DOT program that goes gets administered by
Tallahassee by formula some of it comes to each of the districts and then in our then in the uh the district's long-term plan we have it in our in a CIP for a project like this and um and so anytime you work with a DOT project or like a
LAP project you can talk about it today but usually the soonest you see funding coming to you in a project like this is three years out or five typically somewhere between three and five years out so la local agency program is where
the county is able to uh um manage the project as if we were DOT employees so we have all the certifications requirement to operate and to deliver funds there is a mixture of federal funds in this or sometimes it's 100% federal funds so we have to operate
under all the procurement and um uh uh and plans and specifications have to meet the the DO's local agency program requirements um and it's a fairly rigorous process to get certified to
that and it requires staff having the proper education and certifications along with our budget office review and our accounting so it's a it's a you know pretty significant in terms of u being able to do this but by having that it
relieves the DOT of managing projects like this and when you're able to do that you actually get more money from the DOT because you can help them spend the money they receive so it it sounds like it's like a complicated thing federal state funds
kind of a mixture deal is it yes yes it is it is and a lot of times the feds will the state will try to shed us the federal funds first because they're the most difficult to spend and so usually these lap projects are all using federal
funds and the state reserves their state funds for projects that are it's the rules by which you spend the state funds are are easier to follow than the rules by which you spend the federal dollars and it'll be interesting to see with all
the Doge stuff going on in Washington um how infrastructure will fare u in the coming days and whether whether that will be kind of an exemption from the the very steep cuts
that have are being done in many other things um uh the sense I have right now is that infrastructure is not being cut as much as certain other things is that is that anybody have any thoughts on that yeah that that is true in that um generally
infrastructure has been a fairly bar bipartisan uh issue the fact is is that there's the amount we collect in gas tax per road mile and usage has been going down uh cars are becoming more efficient
we buy fewer gallons of fuel per and so the ratio of uh of uh of of that type of revenue source to maintain our roads and bridges um has been uh going down and so there's been talk about how to to deal
with that um as a nation we have not and so the infrastructure um uh uh grading system that the ASCE and others have produced is that generally uh the infrastructure maintenance in the United States is poor
and bridge collapses and things that we've seen are have have instituted a uh you know revisiting of of that so I don't expect it to change um but even if it doesn't change it we are on an unsustainable path for road and bridge
maintenance as a nation the state of Florida is in pretty good shape because the the um the uh state of Florida has injected other funds into the DOT the state Florida DOT to assist in the construction and maintenance of the
infrastructure that we own and operate that's interesting hearing you say that uh because I know that your background prior to being county administrator was the you were the public works guy so you would know a lot about roads and bridges that's for sure
commissioner Heatherington I was just going to add in on that um Commissioner Caps and Commissioner Vargas if you haven't had an opportunity to go to the MPAC training it is very enlightening it also has a lot of information on the
funding mechanisms how they work and um I I know some commissioners said it went twice it was so so exciting not me but but it is very enlightening i would highly encourage you to do it thank you
any further questions do we have a motion uh did I make the motion or is that the last item you did make a motion is there a second could you make it again just to be based on that really remarkable presentation i I will second
it we got so bogged down in the really exciting talk of road funding there's a motion in a second all those in favor i opposed that motion passes unanimously we will now pass on to department two
contracts that meet the threshold for board approval of a million dollars or greater good morning good morning commissioners tasha Sap procurement supervisor i do have three items for your consideration today uh real estate brokerage services the maximum not to
exceed value is $10 million with a not not blleh sorry maximum not to exceed year term is five years recommended action is move that the board award the contract to the two highest scoring proposers Jones Lang Lasal Americas and
Kushman Wakefield USA Inc move that the board authorize the county administrator or designate to execute any and all documents related to their request my second is a food food services items and cleaning supplies rebid the maximum not
to exceed value is 10 million with a maximum not to exceed term 5 years recommended action move that the board formally rescend the contract awarded for RFB 20253635 food and food services items and cleaning supplies awarded to Allure
Hospitality Suppliers Inc in Cisco Southeast Florida LLC on January the 14th of 2025 under departmental 2 and move that the board award the contract for RFB 20253661 food services items and cleaning supplies to the sole responsive
and responsible bidder of Cheney Brothers and move that the board authorize the county administrator or designate to execute documents related to this request and last a contract amendment over 10% of the original contract value it's for building 17 renovations for the
reach center um the recommended action move that the board approve change order number four to all site construction incount 191,82.93 and move that the board authorize the county administrator or designate to execute any and all
documents related to this request questions why did you redo number two uh so we had awarded for the the cleaning supplies was we were good on
that one but for Cisco uh we had to change the bid form because of how food market changes so much it was not conducive to our contract so we had to rebid with a different bid form to make
it easier for the market to fluctuate and us to be under contract with certain prices percentage-wise more of than just the price of the food another question more for the residents clarification on number one $10 million
for real estate services can you explain what that Mr graham I know you're not an expert on every single topic but Mr graham if you could explain like what the contract what that means $10 million sounds like a lot of money sure uh MRAM assistant county
administrator the 10 million is not to exceed the uh the the two companies that we'll be working with they don't receive any funding unless we work with them on a project so understood but what what level of services would they offer so
right now we're only looking um to use them for public private partnerships um there may be some um other opportunities to use them in the future but it's focused on the public private partnerships um we have quite a few
projects in our CIP that this would give us an opportunity to give the board um ways to get projects done commissioner they would also have the ability to on any publicly owned property that we have to evaluate
um highest and best use if we were going to uh in the SRA cell or or you know or and also help us if we needed uh in the evaluation of a of a property so they provide uh expert services as it relates
to um um uh market conditions and uh the value of a property especially for a private sector use if we were going to use them would that come back to the board or it's just handled at the staff level no they all all procure all items would come to the
board for a task order if they if it was not budgeted if it is budgeted in a CIP would specifically show that and we would so you would have one form or another come to the board if it was a small task order like $10,000 and it was already approved in your budget uh it
may not come to the board it would come ultimately as a noted item but all all all um all services for this will have to be budgeted in the budget for your approval in one form or another and if it's a large task order it would come to you as
similar items you see here today thank you very much Commissioner Vargas yeah um I also wanted to make comments which maybe you can address uh I was concerned about that number $10 million over a short period of time um do you negotiate
per hour for what the services of Jones Lang or Kushman Wakefield might be um so that we can pick apart what we need and what we don't need from them i I don't want some report coming out that it's never delivered or it's inane that
doesn't make any sense for what our needs are sure so uh we did negotiate with both companies uh they provided us with their hourly rate of all their professionals in those positions um that they have within their company that we
would utilize so if uh there is a project that we're interested in working on both of them will have an opportunity to submit a proposal for us and uh bring it to you for your consideration right i I think that's important that we review that because they can ask for
$1,000 an hour and that's no that's not reasonable at all having been in the business I know that there's they use a lot of it on technology now so they're not walking the properties um so that answers that question so we haven't
expended any money with them yet that's correct the other thing I understand about the food it is going up but you know they may want to make some projection in the future you know they're in the business that type of thing we did it as a percentage um
because the first bid form we had it had um the pricing per item of all the foods that we sell at all our places but we also had a percentage on the side this made it a little bit more clear but if Todd you want to sure todd FA parks and
recreation assistant director um yeah so on this bid we requested that they give us their current wholesale price and then uh our cost is based on a percentage above their cost and so uh we wanted to make sure that the county gets
the best deal that we can get from the the food service provider so we want to know what their current wholesale price is which changes and fluctuates based on the market but then the percentage that we pay above their cost uh stays the
same throughout the contract what percentage is that it varies depending on whether it's a dry good or frozen products or refrigerated products so it varies between uh 3 and 8% I believe uh
we actually uh in this bid uh the vendors uh provided a lower percentage above cost than what we're currently paying in our existing contract so uh we benefited from this rebid yeah I I would
suggest that you know you go hard on this because costs can spiral out of control you know for that you know three and 8% I I I don't have the numbers in front of me to say you know that's a little bit high there because we are repeat customers and we do buy volume
from them so you can get more aggressive correct that that was the purpose of the bid too is because there smaller companies may have a higher wholesale price uh so uh that's why we asked them in this rebid uh to list their wholesale
price so we could compare that as well as the percentage above the cost so we get our best value or best bang for the buck right sometimes you have to substitute just like Walmart it may be a small vendor but Walmart says this is what we're really willing to pay you so
so this project the keep in mind that the bid is um it it is all unit prices and fixed so the vendors had the opportunity to give us their best um wholesale and best uh um percent over wholesale in the and the and that's how
we have to evaluate so it's not a it's not a sit down and negotiation on the project it's a advertised bid that they all submit for and then the lowest qualified bidder is awarded so then we move forward with the with the vendor
that had the greatest aggregate of benefits to the county and so once we've entered in this contract then the beauty of it is we're fixed for the time frame or the dollar amount of it um but uh just just to be clear that there really isn't
a a negotiation it's we it's on the form and they fill it out and we compare it between the different vendors and select the lowest price how long is the contract it's for uh 3 years with uh two one-year renewal options so total of five years so it comes back to the board
after three years uh after five years unless we want to terminate the contract after three so you have it for three years and then once we have the three-year we reach out to the departments ask if they would like to renew the contract if they agree and
they're okay with everything hasn't changed then we will go ahead and renew it um other than that they would ask us to rebid it out and then we would go back out to bid yeah I I would encourage that new new players come into the market oh absolutely right the other question I have also is
about the reach center that might be another question for someone else um contract amount i see a number of change orders one two three change orders are expensive i see something about an air conditioning system it wasn't taken into account av
I'm sorry AV equipment not air conditioning AV and this comes from enterprise funds or is Martin County paying part of this through the airport so madam chair George Sto assistant Kai administrator no these funds are coming from the American Rescue Plan Act
dollars that were appropriated uh a few years ago the AV equipment change orders relative to the change in the educational partners uh originally we were looking at using IRSC they've decided not to participate and now we're working with the career career source
which is uh the department of unemployment for the state of Florida the largest part of this change order is actually from the FPNL connection for 98,705 okay I see 91840 142863 and 17398 am I reading that
correctly all of those are different change orders would have been something that you could have avoided maybe or taken a No these change orders are all reviewed by both the general contractor the engineer of record the architect of record uh this in my experience this has
happened when we've gone with vertical buildings we're dealing with a building that was pretty much abandoned uh and in in very uh horrible condition we've gone in we did the best we could to anticipate what changes and what need to be reconstructed but some field
conditions have changed uh what I can tell you is we're we're we're about at the end right now we're projecting a completion date of June 2nd there probably may be another change on the way just for the minor stuff but this is these are items that had to do with
electrical conflicts um fire alarm and sprinklers the building was built I believe in the early '7s um there was some environmental mitigation concerns with asbestous that we didn't know about that were in the building um so that's this
you know these were not things we could avoid these are things we have found in the field primarily I understand that just keep in mind change orders you know let's let's look at it holistically as much as we can if it's that old you know there would be asbestos in the building right and might
have done something different we didn't know there was going to be fryable asbesus we we had anticipated there being only asbestous in the tile similar to what was the World War II buildings out there however upon on going through the building we were able to find friable asbestous which is a much higher hazard level and has to be dealt with
differently I don't have a list of all the change or oh you do okay but all those were were examined by multiple parties um and when we have worked with the contractor when able to reduce the cost and we may actually have some deductive change orders in the next um
change order okay so be reduced the cost is that what I'm understanding that's my goal and hope but you know if anything yeah but we may not i mean a lot of our change or also especially the time added is due to the wait period we've had to have for FPNL and so on so forth so
there's some that I can control some I can't control uh supply and demands cost based on imports and exports you know the the cost of power uh equipment i think Mr donq could even appine to that uh 98,000 for a transformer was not
something we had anticipated we actually anticipate much less but that I have no control over that cost it's supplied by Florida Power and Light and it they have asked us I think their wait period originally was in the 20s something weeks and we've been able to get it down
to 16 weeks well that that then adds on to my general contractor's cost which adds on to my site security fencing cost which also adds on to my silt fence and it just kind of piles up but and it's all because FPNL has made us wait an extra 18 to 20 weeks so but I am happy
to say this week we've started to work with FPNL and started to cut the trench to put in the transformer so Commissioner Heatherington that is an old light commissioner Caps yes um you know in the national news there's an
awful lot of conversation about tariffs and in all of our county contracts uh are there provisions in there that protect us against tariffs to where uh contracts can be changed or um uh
what are the implications for tariffs in our contracts it it really depends on the contract some of them uh when we bid them out the uh the unit price for the particular item was fixed and uh and if that price
goes up significantly during the cost of the construction the contractor will um ask for a change order but they are not eligible for one and in some cases in the past our worst case scenarios are where contractors have abandoned the
project because they can't fulfill the the contract or have you know so other contracts and some of the DOT contracts have specific similar to the food one we described either but it might have an
index to oil um uh um uh a crude oil price and a escalation based upon uh on that there's a kind of a strict averaging in weeks of you look at it so so a paving contractor that's doing a
multi-million dollar road project can get an escalation on some materials based upon a an index if you will and so if there are any escalations in there they're always going to be based on some sort of standardized uh um index water
sewer index or something like that but generally we try to our projects are usually short enough term where we try to fix the cost of the of the item and in some cases um uh you know staff may
put in a provision to allow them to store to buy the materials up front and have a storage place for them or we may have to pay a storage price if you think that particular items are really volatile like sto steel in the past or
some things like that so um long answer to your question but the it really I guess in the end it depends commissioner on the contract and if we uh um anticipated the volatility usually when it's uh more normal times we don't have
uh escalators in there but if it is at a more volatile time um you may have to otherwise um you simply won't receive bits so that's usually a clue when you have a project and you bid it out and nobody bids on it and they say "Well I can't guarantee the material costs or my
windows or whatever it is." And if you don't have it in there we're not talking so that's that's usually the first indication that we uh we need to amend our procurement method thank you Commissioner Vargas i think it's really important
to put some language in contracts um especially if you are going to be purchasing equipment supplies pre-tariff you can do that now if you're anticipating another project coming up
um I understand labor cost uh can be fluid it it really all depends it's out of our hands it is a national trend right now but we have to be extremely vigilant and review the contracts and not just business as usual um this could
be going on for another year two years we do not know at this point so I'd like you to take that into consideration this is our taxpayers money we have to be vigilant yeah so our our first goal is to you know take the
estimated cost for a particular item and deliver it at or under that cost and so anytime we have a contract provision that has an allowance the problem is is you still have to do a change order even to meet
the contract requirement so you know it is a staff is trying to you know obviously our goal is to keep keep the cost as low as possible so those provisions for um allowable increases is something we want to keep to a minimum
so that we can guarantee the co delivery of the cost of the project uh as approved by you all i understand that the uh uh reach center has been paid for by an ARPA grant um who's going to staff the building whose
responsibility is the maintenance of the building going to be so the building will be staffed by the Career S career source of Florida at their expense at their expense they're going to be maintain they're going to be pay I believe paying the utilities we're in the process of uh well I don't want to
say negotiating the lease we're handing them the lease that they're going to have to sign they're also paying a common area maintenance fee as well as a security fee and then the overseer of all the provision will be the airport enterprise fund so uh once the investments made in the building and and
the education begins in the building it's managed by Career Resource and then overseen by the Airport Enterprise Fund thank you is there a a motion to approve you could dust it off there is one
is there a second second there's a motion and a second uh all those in fa any public comment all those in favor i opposed that motion passes unanimously thank you we've come
to the end of our Mr fa Mr stokus if you could stay apparently we haven't come to the end no for their my end of the day comments okay so we have come to the end of the meeting miss Goldie would you like to speak at public
comment to the clerk oops go well first I'm going to say good afternoon because I believe it's just about noon time and I know you're all anxious to go to lunch and I want to say thank you all for doing the wonderful job that you do it's not easy i
understand that um but what I'd like to talk to you about today is something that I think is would be quite exciting for the commissioners to look into and as a proud resident of Martin County for over 30 years and since we're
celebrating our centennial soon wouldn't it be nice to unveil a Martin County official flag i've done a little research and to date we are one of the counties in Florida that does not have an official
flag we do have two municipalities municipals that have uh flags that's Hobound and Stewart why not Martin County so I'd like to request the commissioners to propose an amendment or however you're going to do it
for to look into creating an official Martin County flag and just a comment I know this would be a great idea for a contest however I'm requesting that we have an official county flag and not a
contest uh in order to uh create a official flag I do believe that there are uh criteria and guidelines and and things that have to be be met so um that said I'd just like to see that uh we get
an official flag uh there are 24 counties that uh do have official flags we are not one of them and um out of our 67 counties we need to make Martin County have our flag thank you thank you i think that's an excellent idea i I
would love to see the other county's flags too never well I know that the city of Stewart uh on social media they must have had a flag version that's been floating around i don't think it's official i think it was created by Don Macintosh it was very well done it looks
like an actual flag it's not an not a contest flag and so I think that's clever the timing is perfect but even if it wasn't our 100th anniversary I think it's a great idea that we would have a flag commissioner Vargas yeah I think that this is the year uh many locations
are celebrating 100 uh or 75 years and certainly this is one of our lighter topics something that I would go for without further comment okay did you know that we were the 66th county there was only one county named
after Martin County um okay it's time for commissioner comments commissioner Heatherington I'm all set today thank you mr campy two things one I know that Mr donaldelsson is rightfully so always looking to spotlight and highlight our remarkable
staff i've had two incidences recently where I'd like to highlight staff last night I had the honor of participating with the House of Hope's Top Chef competition where uh amateur chefs compete against each other for uh the
prize of it's a fundraiser for the House of Hope and this year they did something unique where they the chef contestants were all involved somehow through the the House of Hope's food services whether it was soup kitchens or government officials that were
participating um and our very own Mr george Stokus was one of the chefs and um he did a remarkable job um he was masterful in the kitchen like he lives there he did a
great job he was he raised a lot of money for a terrific organization i wanted to compliment him on that he did not need to do that but he did so we appreciate it thank you George and then recently you know whenever I have visitors come to visit us from out of
town we try to bring them to the highlights of Martin County and every time I've actually had some friends that have visited or family that have visited repeatedly and they always ask to be brought back to the same place which is the Sand Dune Cafe at the Steuart Beach
last weekend not this one that just passed the week earlier I met some uh friends there actually a couple of my classmates from high school 40 years ago were in town and I said "I got the perfect place." And so we met at Sand
Dune Cafe and you know the criteria that normally you would use to judge how well an experience was was the staff was excellent friendly and polite and professional there was a line the place was very busy as it always is and there
was a you know a line of about six or seven people looking to order food but it moves very quickly and the reason there is a line is because people are continuing to come so it's not like hey they're slow and there's a line there's a line because it's just so many people constantly coming but the food came out
remarkably fast i thought the pricing for eating on the beach especially if you go to um hotels or anywhere else the pricing is very very reasonable and the quality of the food was restaurant like if you were sitting in a fine restaurant
eating where they have all of the um uh environments controlled not like trying to serve food out on the dune of a beach the quality was perfect was absolutely perfect so I wanted you to stay so you could hear it mr fa if you could spread the word back to them that it was
again five stars thank you ma'am thank you commissioner Caps I'm sorry i don't think I have anything to say commissioner Vargas no I I think I've said what I have to say today but there's always another
meeting sure i'm set mr donaldson I'm set thank you miss Woods would anyone from the public like to address us we are adjourned noon