This is uh the community redevelopment agency for Monday, September 22nd. >> I pledge allegiance to the >> to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Anyone have any comments on the minutes? Doesn't look like it. Anybody want to make a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Second. >> Anybody comments? All in favor?
>> I. >> Anybody opposed? Very good. Uh, does anybody have any conflicts of interest they need to disclose? Don't see anybody. Uh, we have a public comment section. If
anyone would like to speak, any members of the public would like to speak, please stand and state your name for the record. Anybody interested? All right. No public. We're on to our presentations then. CRA Capital Projects Review.
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and CRA board. Susan Corores, Office of Community Development. Um, we will talk about our capital projects. As always, I'll go into I'm going to talk about probably most of them today, but if there is anything that you have questions on,
please feel free to ask if I don't touch on it. Uh, we'll start in Golden Gate. El Camino is going along really well. It's been interesting. It's a uh the kind of project that people think
nothing's happening because it's 10 blocks long. So, if the contractors at one end, everybody on the other end thinks, "Why isn't anyone working today?" So, we've had a lot of those kind of funny comments, but it's moving right along. Um, the landscape vision
pilot project, I just want to point out that that is uh having a what we what we're calling a community touchpoint event to get some input from the community and talk about what we're looking to do there. think of and and look take a look at the conceptual
design etc. That's October 29th 4:30 to 6:30. There is going to be food. There is going to be giveaways. There's going to be lots of fun. Um so I'm hoping that you can all put that on your calendars and come on out and support. Joyy's been working really hard with our consultant
on that project. Golden Gate Neighborhood Improvements. Uh we do have Wen Deng here to my left. um she's a principal with DDEC and she if you recall recently presented initial design ideas for the
project to this uh body and today she's going to do a little update for everybody on the specific designs for street sections typical sections we call them so that you have an a idea for what's what we're looking to do and an
appreciation for that and get some input from you. Next we'll move to Hob Sound Dixie Highway stormwater and streetscape project. Um we did get through the RFQ. We did have four responses and then uh
the committee the selection committee chose three to come and actually present their projects to uh the committee again. And the contract negotiations will happen uh later.
I think is the later this month. Oh, October. Early early early October. So, we're still in the cone of silence. So, we'll let you know what goes on. >> Question. Three. So, you have getting proposals from three the >> We had actually four submissions. Okay.
>> And then the selection committee went ahead and and looked at all four of those, scored them, and we put three of them through to actually make proposals, uh, presentations. um to the committee. So that went very well and now it's
contract negotiation. So um we'll let you know what transpires from there, but that project's moving along nicely. Then we'll move into our Seymour phase after that. Um unpaved roads in Hobound. Jana's going to talk about that as well
as uh a Jensen Beach project when she comes up to talk to you guys. So I'm not going to say anything about that. right into Old Palm City. Captech Engineering is our consultant on that project. They're planning more
community engagement October and November. There has been quite a bit uh up to this point and I'm not sure. I think it comes to you guys November maybe. I'm not sure but they will present to you as well um at some point.
And and remember that this is concept and engineering as well. So this is the two rolled into one. So we're really moving along on that. Lots of design work happening. Um Port Serno Park Drive is in
construction right now. New Monrovia Park improvements, uh bid should go out, I'm hoping by the end of this week, early next week, and then we'll get the costs on that and we'll be able to move forward. And then I'm going to move to Rio.
So Rio's two big projects right now, the 707 streetscape enhancement and the property and civic center design. If you recall, those two projects designed for those projects are running concurrently. And we have the same um consultant working on both of those, which makes
sense because a lot of it happens in the same area. So there's really no reason to pay two companies to kind of give you back, you know, information in the same place. And they're doing a great job. And I point that out because there's a really um intense schedule for their
community engagement for both of those projects. And it's uh reflected in the capital projects um report. So, if any of you would like to join us for any of those, the first time or the second time actually they're going second time,
right Jordan? That they're going back to the NAC uh will be this Thursday. And just to make a note, if you are interested and for the public, if anyone is listening, um it's changed. It will not be at the Log Cabin. It will be at
the Vince Bino Center, which is the community center right near Langford uh in Rio. So, that should be real interesting to to look at. They did um a survey of what people are looking for and just because
it's actually interesting information. Um the number one thing was shade trees and that goes for both projects. They did a survey for each. So, very interesting. You know, those are the things I know that are close to Bert's heart and as CRA folks for the rest of
us as well. So, I thought it was interesting that that's exactly what came back to us was shade trees and what was next? Landscape, >> public art, like what do people want to see, you know, in their CRA on their streets, at their public buildings,
those kinds of things. So, very interesting survey work that they did. And that's it for capital projects. Does anybody have any questions? you answer it because I don't see anybody working. So, I was going to ask about that.
>> See, that's and that's the thing is that's exactly what's happening. And it was funny because Joy and I Joy gave me a little tour of the construction site one day and we were like, she's like, "You'll see them. You'll see them. Wait, wait for it." And sure
enough, yes, there they were. >> All right. Great. Thank you. Um, next item. CRA project review. Hoop sound unpaved roads Jensen Beach Maple A drainage. >> I don't know which one you are, Jana. >> It's on the
camera. >> Oh, here we are. This one. >> No, go to the u the main screen. >> Is that you? Should I just take my hand away from the mouse? Leave the mouse alone.
Good afternoon. Janna Cox, program manager. I am going to cover a couple of projects, one in Jensen and one in Hope Sound. The Jensen Beach project is Maple Avenue drainage and the one in Hope Sound is Unpaved Roads.
So on Maple A drainage, the there are stores called the Jensen Beach Shops, and there's about nine businesses back in there. And they've always had a problem with drainage. They've tried different avenues to fix the drainage. And you can see there's always water
back behind the tattoo shop next to the old barber shop. Uh they tried some things on their own because it is private property. So we couldn't go in there and fix it for them. So we sent out for
a study and we had DDEC bring back some fixes for the drainage and they had they gave us two options and we are going with option one on this map. so we can do work in our right of
way and allow them to hook up to the things that we do there. So, what we're going to do is, and actually when I say we, I mean public works, install a storm manhole on the west side of Maple A, install a storm inlet on the
east side of Maple A. So once those two things are installed, it's the Jensen station shops. I probably said it wrong. Jensen station shops. They're responsible for hiring an
engineer and figuring out how to hook up to those two items because it is on our property, the rightway, and then their property is private. We're hoping that will fix the issues because it's always wet back in there.
The second project I am talking about is Hopetown unpaved roads and all six CRAAS I believe started contributing to um our 2022 budget for unpaved roads in collaboration with public works. Uh then
when our district 3 commissioner came around, he wanted to prioritize the unpaved roadways in Hope Sound. So we have 11 roadways that were reviewed. The very first one that we are going to do is Eleanor and Hammond and it's sort of
the pilot program to see how we can work with public works and our contractors to get these done quickly. So on the next slide I'll show you kind of the steps we went through. In February of 25, we identified the road. In April of 25, they did survey
and field work, and this was all in-house. In July of 25, we had someone from public works, our engineer, design it. In August, we sent it out for a quote for construction on one of our continuing contracts. In November of 25,
they have a notice to proceed. So, I just wanted to show you how quickly when we work together that we can get something done. And that's all I have. We do have the second set of roads uh already in design.
Unpaved roads. >> Um Eleanor and Hammond. They're off Bridge Road. >> Yes. So, it's directly >> across from Banner Lake. >> West of Publix. Across from Banner Lake Club. >> Yeah. Okay. Thanks. So I think there's
three or four houses back in there. >> Yeah, I'm familiar with the road. I just wasn't totally >> So I know all of the CRAAS are looking into their unpaved roads. Will all of those areas work with public works? Like
will they all be like a joint venture or that will depend Jamie? I think um we did the same in Golden Gate because we were public works was already doing construction there. So we look for those opportunities first. If for example um
the county's doing some other projects there and they're near any of those roads or those roads are incorporated in any of that, that's our first go-to. So if that's not the case, um we will try to work with them because generally
Jana showed you that little schedule which is really nice. So it's a great partnership. Um that would be our second way to go. Yeah. Before we would do anything else. >> I mean that would be ideal especially for the time frame and then with everything that I know is going on in Port Soleno, they're talking about
redoing the roads and the drainage anyway. So it' be >> Yeah. So, some of those are just the really nicely coincidental um where we can supply funding and um they can supply uh you know doing the actual construction and the design. So,
yeah, it's it when it works, it really works. Yeah. When both have the opportunity. >> Anybody else? >> Right. Thanks, Jenna. >> Thank you. Uh, no. New business, old business. CRA
Golden Gate Neighborhood Improvement Project Update. >> So, that's going to be our friend Wend Dang from DDEC. >> Welcome. When >> are you going to sit with me? >> I could. Oh, I can do >> the presentation. Yeah, the presentation here. >> Yeah. I don't know what I'm doing here.
Good. >> Would you Do you want me to sit here? >> No. No. You could do whatever. Whatever you feel good. >> I'm sorry for my wehat. >> Um, good afternoon. Um, thank you for having me back here. My name is Wend Deng. I am um, uh, the project um,
engineer, the transportation engineer that's working on this project. So, I'd like to give us a little bit of an update. Maybe I'll sit next to you. >> Should work. >> Did you turn it on? Is it on this on the side? >> It's not. >> There you go.
>> There it is. There you go. Um so if you can remember the last time I was here I presented on a lot of existing conditions. We went out to do the data collection phase. We looked at crashes and traffic data. Uh but here um we have made further development in the plan.
So, I'd like to update you on what has um our our progress in the past um like month and a half and then ultimately show you some of these ideas that was uh originated from the CRA plan and um being realized and with in further
details. So the first thing is um traffic calming and why is it so important in our community to have traffic calming? Um and so uh what is it and how does that really affect us and does it um so the question is like does it belong on every single street? Um
what are some traffic calming strategies that we could make it work within our community and in the neighborhood itself? And so if you recall the the El Camino Trail design, right, part of that design itself, there are raised
crosswalk at every single um intersection that um the trail crosses one of our streets. And what that means is that it's a um a cross a midblock crosswalk. So we created what we called a arbitrary speed hump uh with a
combined with crosswalk at that location. So on screen right here you see that's the second image itself. Um it's a little bit different than your traditional speed humps but you can um you know essentially it is the same. It's a vertical deflection in the
roadway and so for those of us that has lead feet we tends to um you know slow down but then we we tend to speed up again after a traffic calming device. So the goal is to have these strategies in a series so that you have target speed
in your neighborhood, right? Um there's other um part of the CRA plan, there's other concepts such as the mini roundabouts um and so what we've done as we're doing go further into our development is determine where they would fit um and what type of mini
roundabouts that will fit for the type of vehicles that we have um here. So if we are designing for um and I'm giving example boat trailers uh and traffic. So we need to think about um a a different inscribed circle or maybe a mountable
roundabout that if you're if I I drive a a vehicle I was slowed down but if I have a larger vehicle such as a school bus which we have in this area or um a trailer that they can go over these mountable curb and still um access our streets. And of course, I'm introducing
a couple more things that's a little bit different than what you've um are used to, which are more gateways um design. And um you know, gateway can be uh interpret so many different ways, right? You can have big grand arches or you can have smaller neighborhood signs or you
could have bulbouts at the the entrance of your intersections. And these are all different gateways. and they're gateways in in a way that they force cars and vehicles to slow down when they make a left and a right-hand turn. So that these are all the importance of um
traffic calming different things that combine in one system that that helps um us um to reduce speed. Um a lot of these concepts like there's a lot of pedestrian protections itself. Um so think about like a crosswalk. if someone were to cross the street and you have a
bulb out, it's a shorter distance for that person or that child to cross the street. So that's what it does. Also, um, so there's a lot of safety benefits. Um, as you can see, I've done some research. In the end, we actually created 11 by17 flyers and we have given
it out to the neighborhood. Um, just a little bit of background education on what is traffic calming and how it can be applied um, in here. So there's a lot of things that we have to understand about traffic calming and what is not traffic calming. And so a lot of times
we think and that if I put in a stop sign then it will calm traffic. So as a traffic engineer in in our realm a stop sign is not trafficcoming it's traffic control right there's there's a different u in traffic control which is
your speed limit your signage and then traffic calmings is encourage people to have a certain type of behavior. So, an unwarranted what we call like a stop sign that doesn't belong at an intersection. An unwarranted stop condition is actually shown in like in
studies it's more dangerous than applying traffic calming. So, we want to take a look and and we're making recommendations um that maybe uh you know there's a better strategy to apply than it is to um force signage, right? Because if we
force signage, that means our law enforcement officer has to be out there to enforce. So if we have a speed limit signs, we may influence them to have a different driving behavior, but it doesn't necessarily that um someone will follow the rules. So we know there's a
lot of um all of us are compliant as it is in our community, but there are those who um also are not compliant. So um and these this again there's a lot of text on screen right here but it's um essentially says you know what are um
what is traffic calming what is not and when placing traffic calming right there's actually best practices national best practices on how these can be applied it has to be a series think of it like a long corridor if you have 10
blocks that your goal is for someone to go um not 35 one block and 20 the other block. But maybe your goal is someone to travel consistently at 25 miles per hour through that 10 blocks. So you have to space it, right? There has to be a
strategy where you're spacing it so many um periodically and the best practice is between 300 to 500 feet from each other. Um so if you look at the entire neighborhood, our streets are very well gritted. So each block itself can
receive one strategy that will uh that will work that will function. Um so uh and again when we went to the neighborhood uh we uh presented all this information explain to u to the residents um what's the difference between a yellow sign and a white signs
you know. Um, so in our world, a white sign, which we called a regulatory signs, right? That's your stop sign, your speed limit signs, th those are signs that can be enforceable. When we think about traffic calming, we post advisory signs, which are your yellow
sign. Here's a bump that's coming ahead, so slow down. um you're entering and if you notice um in different communities you see signs that say like traffic calmed area of 20 miles per hour that's an advisory sign advising people that when you're approaching this
neighborhood um because of a series of traffic calming already your advisory speed is um 20 miles per hour that's what that means and so I um you know we spend a lot of time helping residents to understand these are the differences and
how that can be applied side. Um the other thing is um as we're looking at every single sections in uh the neighborhood, so the plan um like from the CRA plan is let's take a look at our right away with and where does that
apply, right? And what typical sections, what can our future streets, not necessarily what it looks right now, but in the future, what can we apply to meet that intent? And so as you can see the majority of our streets um you have a few scenario uh most of the sections the
rightway width is uh is 50 uh feet there are some that is 75 80 and 100 and I'm going to go through each one of these scenario if you want to pause and discuss I'm happy to do that as well so um the first thing is we're going to
focus on 50 the this um scenario happens everywhere some of um the the streets actually u the typical section is already as it's existing. So as you can see, you know, some of your street on Bonita or Clayton at the entrance where the commercial district is, you already
see that there are on street parking on both sides because that supports your commercial use and your redevelopment of the future future um commercial spaces that's there. But what it could do, and that's part of your other studies with um landscaping, your landscaping um
study, is that um we can create these beautiful bow outs that can receive um trees and shade trees. And this is very consistent with the sear the the plan that's laid in. Um and as you can see this particular section um there has to
be some modification so that we can have curb and gutter that defines the space that you're in that convey flow that fix um you know your drainage system in this particular blocks is a little bit different um than than what you see as its existing conditions in other areas
where you don't have commercial uses where you have residential uh streets where you don't have a need for on street parking um the recommend recommendation is to create this beautiful parkway. Um, and in essence that will give us u more opportunity for
plantings, right? Um, our uh sidewalk is actually I'm very proud to say that the plan itself and that the county code calls for six feet which is wider than a lot of sidewalks that's in um other communities itself. Um but what this section does is that it gives you a
buffer like a buffer space from the cars and a buffer space um for pedestrians. Um in these scenarios um I think it's very encouraging that your front yard for a resident feels more like a front yard than it is um you know a um a
thorough affair. Uh and of course um you probably see that you know streets that doesn't have the yellow striping in the middle. You're probably thinking, what does that two yellow stripe means? It actually per the MUTCD, it recommends that if you're um you have a traffic
volume of under 4,000 trips a day, you don't have to have center line striping. So that's um that's what it does. Okay. Um and so in in certain scenario and as you can see um some sections that are um
you know we need on street on some side and we don't. Um, so there's a scenario where we do accommodate for you maybe those properties that uh we need certain on street parking and on street parking and and as you can see we we laid this out in a plan view before we make these
determination um to bring it out here is that it's your spacing of your driveway requirements also when you have two driveways that's too close together you technically um you know one parking space is 8 by 20 for on street parallel parking. So we have to determine which
area we can and cannot have on street parking. But this scenario could apply on streets such as Delmar, Clayton, Bonita, Amherst certain section. The other section um of u what you see on screen here is 75 foot right away which
is very um unique in essence because it's only a few sections but we do have to um consider uh what that looks like and and as you can see for 75 feet, right? Um each one of these sections uh especially in areas that is um as you
can see the sidewalk path and the on street parking it it's actually birch. It borders um the commercial district on one side. So you want parking on one side to support those parking um those businesses and on the other sides which you have a very beautiful yard. This um
the mult 10t multi-use path actually connects to the um and and is consistent staying consistent with El Camino trail design. itself. And as you can see here, there's a lot more space for greeneries as you can see um in uh this particular
section. And this is um again um El Camino, right? This is a section of El Camino that has not been built built out. Um it stays consistent with the El Camino design that you've have um set forth before you. And then one small
section in between uh Indian and um Norman itself. uh you know what we're looking for is um parking like an uh 90 degree parking to support th those um those adjacent properties itself and
then um if you can bear with me and um for Jefferson it's really interesting because this is a southern limits it connects um you know a Dixie all the way to um the the east it's a really really important street um for 80 foot rightway
uh we did look at it for two um scenarios Um and and again, you know, when we looked at our when we reviewed our existing plans that's on there, this particular section is a um you know, we have to provide for a multi-use path
because that is our Suntrail U bypass, right? That's um that's part of our East Coast greenway network itself. So the as you can see the multi-use trail is to be consistent with the plan that's already been approved and set in place. And so what can we do with the spaces in
between? Um and so um the thought is and you know our team look at traffic calming because that is a very important street that uh maybe gets a little more cutth through for our community than we like. Uh but ultimately we know that we can look at it for um you know storm
water retention for bioell um because we know that there's not enough in this community. Um and then um of course if we don't do bioil um the soil space in between the curb line itself the edge of pavement and the sidewalk or the pathway
it's still enough for us to have some kind of capacity. Um so it um really these are two options for us um to determine what's best and of course um we are in I would say the most generous uh right away with that we have in the
community itself which is Indian streets and I think Indian is um in my opinion uh as an outsider looking into this community this is a gateway uh of our neighborhood these because we have so much rightway it gives us so much flexibility as a transportation engineer
here to really dream big and think about what else can we do? What other multimodal element that's in the CRA plan that we can look at accommodating? Um should we and this is one concept where we have on street parking traditional on street parking on the
outside right to support um the um some of the narrow lots that we have and of course on street parking um create a really beautiful median um as you can see um here on screen so that we can have shades in the center and of course
on the outside right um we have the option from our plan and even from our um our code do we want to think about a multi-use path or do we have space right there to do what we call a one-way cycle track um and to connect mo that external
uh multimodal and as you can see if you look on screen here it's a very important gateway because it connects uh US1 and again to the east um and what that's this does is that it separates um the biking from the on street vehicle
right the cars that's driving that's always the the ultimate goal. But if we um and if we don't um go with that concept, what other concepts are there? What are some other other innovation? Right? This is where um uh we've found that if we want to connect the El Camino
trail to another trail network, we can look at a trail that is um you know in the uh the median itself as it is present on screen. Um, of course there's also pros and cons to every single one of this, but again this is a concept
that we like to, you know, peique your interest and get your feedback um to determine um what would um be a like a good gateway design um for the neighborhood itself and these are options. And then lastly,
gateway features in your plan. There's a few locations of what are the gateway features. Uh we looked at different architectural elements um and we actually have um a a cross-sections of what we think uh would um you know is consistent with the gateway in this
area. Um and so what are some inspiration that we have uh within the vicinity? Um and so uh and of course being local this is very iconic right it was built in the 20s and uh we do think that the mos that Mediterranean
um like uh architecture is very interesting here it's very large in comparison to u what we have and where we can fit this and so of course these have to be designed but what's our inspiration um and then of course um this is the other one that we found in
Tallahassee very similar architecture itself um and but it's it's there as an opportunity as a gateway into the neighborhood. And so currently our team is working with um the CRA to combine these two architectural element to come
up with a a a different concept that's unique to um Golden Gate itself. And so um actually this concludes my update as a a very detailed presentation to you and what we've done up to this point. So I'm here for questions.
>> Did you talk about the end the streets like because we have a lot of about the cudus sack for the streets >> for the colder sack itself. Yeah. So that's interesting that you um you mentioned that because um yes uh there
are um some colder sacks we just don't have the rightway to design for a colder sack to like for example on screen right here Ellenale right all the way to the east. It's a dead end. you have to have the a significant rightaway for some a vehicle to make a U-turn and um for
that. So um typically we look at turning radius of vehicle. Um for these particular sections we don't um recommend culteracks just because we can't um it's a geometry constraint that we're under >> because the traffic is horrible
especially in the middle of the night when you hear somebody stuck in the hole or something like that. I live I I live at the end of the street. Oh, >> is there like a tea turn around there or something or is it just end in people's driveway?
>> No, they turn in our driveway. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, it's um it was the the the neighborhood was not planned. The rightway was never planned. So, you would have to um the compliant person would have to make a three-point turn
for a a turnaround. >> Yeah. >> But there's um there's not enough right away for us to design for a T turnaround. >> Yeah. When can we can Oh, go ahead. A >> question. Over in Palm City, they just did a mini roundabout on High Meadows,
and you need to go look at that because uh I'm no engineer, but it it seems like Have you seen it, Jordan? >> What do you think? Is it too small? it works cuz it seems like it's a very small one in and the big tractor
trailers that come through there have to go straight through everything and can't really make the roundabout. So, all I was recommending is maybe go take a look at that. >> Absolutely. Um, one of our employee actually live in Palm City, your other CRA, but but and of course like every
time that we make recommendations for roundabout and like again roundabout has best practices to them, right? There's always a large circle for vehicle to go into, but there's always an inscribed circle. This is what you see. Like typically it's textured. Um, and it's an
inscribed circle so that if I'm drawing a car, I don't technically drive over it because it'll be a bump for me. But for a larger vehicle, they could um take that inscribed circle and make that left turn because in a roundabout, it's the hardest thing is that left turn
movement, right? because it's that 270° turn. Um, and so, um, we'll I'll take a look at it and, um, we'll >> So, I see the tire marks on the inner circle. Y >> quite a bit. >> Yep. >> So, that's what that's what I was just >> That's probably what it was designed to
do is that the inscribed circle is for the larger vehicle to be able to turn because the the goal is not to restrain and not to um, you know, um, constrain that movement, but to slow down for them to make that. Is that all paved? No planting?
>> There's no planting yet, but in the inside it is dirt. Like they're going to plant. >> It's a narrow 5ft space or something. Maybe it's a mini mini. >> It's It's the smallest thing I've ever seen. >> Are you talking about the newer one that they just placed? >> Yes.
>> And then that curb is a mountable curb. That's the whole point that in >> Well, no. What I'm saying though is the middle section which is only maybe five or six foot wide. I see, you know, tractor trailer tires going through the middle of that thing. >> You know, that that's the only reason I
was just >> I will I'll visit that. And >> it's a smaller one for sure. I don't know if it would still fit at the end of these. >> These are very small and and if you can imagine our right away width varies 50 feet and then you 80 feet or 100 feet.
Your circle, you know, realistically it has to be centered to both right away. So, um, we would have to look at it on a case-by case scenario. We do know where the locations of where it would fit, uh, where it would be. Um, so, uh, maybe it's something that we can present next
time when we come back where those locations. >> Right. Thank you. >> You know, you're saying that we have a lake, whatever you call it, is a retro front of us and next to it is a big uh, land. I mean, county property also. You could you could do something in there so
people don't come all the way to the end of the street if you want to come by and I'll show you. I mean we have a it people used to cross from that you know between they go from Fairmont to Allenale just cross. So
we until somebody decided to stop it. >> I know I'm probably going to open up a can of worms here. Yeah, please. >> But just looking at this and I I I know the neighborhood. Um, >> is that Hemlock
>> Avenue? >> Have I heard of that? >> On the right. >> Yeah, the one furthest. >> Himmllock. >> Yeah. >> Where your black line is? >> Oh, way in the corner. Yeah. >> Yeah. Are you able to connect? You see how there's two ends? >> Yeah. >> Are you able to connect that road
>> at Hemlock? um from >> take hemlock all the way from Indian to >> Kensington and connect those roads to that. >> Um if let me see I I believe it's a 50ft rideway um and I don't think we our
rightway extends um from there. >> So you're talking about parallel to Golden Gate A connecting that >> end. >> Yeah, I think it's from here. >> Here. >> Yeah, >> that's going to be It's It's not We don't own that land.
>> You don't have a >> We don't have >> We don't own the property. Yeah. >> Yeah. We like And and again, our uh we were instructed to look at um right away. >> Yeah. There's an STA. >> We don't have it anyway. So, >> yeah. >> Well, we have a ditch scenario can do nothing better.
>> That would have been a good solution. >> Do you guys have any other questions? >> I do. Um, so, uh, is emphasis placed on underground utilities when you're doing these as far as keeping them out of the planting spaces, out of the medians
where there's vegetation? >> Are are you referring to overhead um at um >> underground utilities? So, when they go to plant a tree, there's no pipe or people have actually been thinking, let's not put the pipes here. >> Yeah, that I I Yes, >> it's a common problem. I'm telling you,
I run into it all the time. >> And I think it's um you're absolutely right because it's um it's all dependent on where we plant are able to plant trees is where the existing utilities are that's underground >> or proposed >> or proposed that that's correct. Um and
so for the most part when we go into um final design those are the areas um that is being um determined in other projects that I've worked on that um you know there are conflict um you know I I I would not um the the community have
opted to do um an adopt the tree program and it's the resident that's adopting a tree on their own property so that you can have shades from their property over the the proposed sidewalk. Um, and so that is a program that I've seen other communities have.
>> Yeah. With the with the residents stressing shade, >> it's important to make sure they can actually plant the tree. >> Absolutely. Yeah. Shade trees. You have overhead constraints, underground constraints. Um, you know, um the and but that is a solution that different
communities have proposed to to combat the the limited right away that you have, >> right? And then if you have the ability to put pipes in the roadway, put them in the roadway, not in the planting space. >> That's correct. Yes. >> Um, another question. The um lane width
on the 50ft section, you had 2 feet and um and uh I mean a 10 ft and two foot curb gutter. Is that a typical roadway width? 10. So, so in the um if you refer back to the code itself for the CRA,
it's actually is encouraged for narrow lanes within the CRA limits. Uh but as far as um other county roads that's not within the CRA limits, no. Okay. >> It's a wider um rightway 11. >> 11's the typical. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And so um that's why on the 80 foot and
the 100 you use the 11. >> Yes. So as you can see that um depend on our um what our constraints are right um so a lot of these um for example this is Jefferson's right here the 11
foot that makes a lot of sense because these you only have two roads in the the entire neighborhood that goes connect east to west and connect to US1 so these are you know these streets itself like they just carry more traffic and so you have to create a design space that's um
accommodating for a larger vehicle for other neighborhood streets um you know especially a culde-sac I I believe that a 10-ft is very adequate and it fits the need of like the residents. >> Oh we need solution in there because too many trafficics and even though with the
sign dead end they don't >> yeah bother to look at it. One other quick comment. It is um the um design you where you had the sunrail I think it is or the the multi-use plan uh pavement in the middle of the rightway.
Wanted >> to look at that. I thought that was interesting and um my reasoning is that we had in hopes and some comments about a multi-use trail and people were concerned about having that multi-use trail adjacent to their home because
they felt like well in this situation they felt like transient people were going to be using this trail. >> I'm not that's not where I'm going. I'm going more in that it puts people in the middle that perhaps are not adjacent to
houses and maybe makes those home owners feel a little safer because they're not adjacent to their home. >> So, absolutely. There's actually so there's pros and cons to everything, right? There's no one perfect solution that meets everybody's intent. for this um particular um concept that you see
here. Um the the pros are um the trail itself because the trail is in the middle. What you have is like you what we're proposing is middle parking. So there's more of there's no driveway to cut you off. You can actually have more parking to accommodate more of whatever
you need. And in areas that you um maybe you make that bulb out for the parking to have even more shade trees or turn those into bios. So there's a lot of options that you can do um here. Um the cons are and this is like the debate um that we have received feedback um from
um different engineers and staff members is that when you have a trail in the middle um you know the the concern is like a safety concern. Somebody might just cross the street itself and and not cross at a designated crosswalk. You know whether if we intend to design it
one way or another people will always use it for what they they want. Um and so for this particular design um you know we would design for um you know maybe more crosswalks maybe midblock crosswalks and that impacts like travel
pattern or whatever that may be but um you know this trail itself being in the middle you still have sidewalks in the outside you still have multimodal on the outsides I think that um if you if the community decide to go with this concept
it'll tie into the El Camino trail very very nicely because you have your northwest um north south trail, right? And then you have your east west trail in the neighborhood. Um so again, these are options um that um could fit and
because we have a 100 ft right away, there's a lot of options for us. >> I like too that you that someone traveling through will not have to stop for someone in a car or a driveway. uh they can just continue if they're on a bike, they can just ride right through without having to be concerned about
people backing in or somebody walking or running or whatever the use is. >> There's Yes, absolutely. And there's also, you know, the rise of ebikes and the popular of ebikes. And I'm sure you probably heard um that the >> thinking about it >> the speed if because ebikes gives um you
know um us with low mobility more options to go further distance. Um it's it'll be a nice uh space for that as well without conflict. >> I did have one more comment. Sorry. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh the gateways I thought were uh I
think that's a great idea to pursue and um they're unique. you know, people have, anybody who's g grown up around here knows this gateway and um to create that kind of um a feeling in other
neighborhoods, I think it's a benefit and a positive. >> I think we're just going to go with Golden Arches. >> Golden No, >> you can do better than that. You can do better than that. >> What's that guy's name? Roy something. We'll thank him. We'll do that. It's so I I you know I was doing u maybe
I got a little too deep with joy looking at all the arches um because we we picked close to eight um and we had to narrow it down. But what was really interesting about like the 20s is like the boom of um real estate in South Florida and you so you see a lot of
historic um like neighborhoods in the 1920s is so iconic to to this area as far as like the the architecture. Um so I do think that um you know gateways are are unique. It's um we want them
everywhere. It might not happen just because of there's a lot of constraint. You know there's um sight distance turning movements. Um if you're close to an intersection you're always at risk. Uh but of course you know these are just so iconic that you can't you you know
exactly where you're at. It's it's a destination. It's identity >> self. Yeah. Can you go back to the median one again? >> I'm sorry. Yep. >> So, I my question is really more for the members. Um, what do you guys think of
this? I mean, I I think this is an amazing design, but the parking is right. You you do see that the parking is right next to the the pathway in the middle, right? So, the cars that are driving would have to be really going
fairly slow because people are going to be parking or, you know, getting in and out of their car and that kind of thing. Um, and I know that we've had some discussion about Dixie Highway and how that's working. I think in this case,
you don't have that back and forth like, you know, that was mentioned of of people and bikes, you know, going across the street all the time. But I just would love to get some feedback on what do you guys think of that? Do you think that's something that's doable?
>> Not really for Dixie Highway. >> No, no, not for Dixie. No, I'm saying >> Indian Street. >> Yeah. Or or any other streets in CRAAS just in general. >> Let's talk about Indian Street for a
minute. My concern with that design is that it's a welltraveled street. Yes, >> it's very heavy traffic and I've always been concerned that through the most congested neighborhood, Golden Gate, you have 35 miles an hour and then you get
across a bridge where people have more money and it's 25 miles an hour. What's the reason for that? There's less congestion where it's 25. It should be less speed where there's more congestion
in Golden Gate. this concept on Indian Street I'd be a little concerned about because >> it is well traveled >> and because of that I'd be worried about people going in between the cars and traffic not seeing them and having
problems with that. >> So would you say Rex that you would prefer not to have the parking maybe? Well, the other concern with Indian Street, there's a lot of multifamily areas there where there's a lot of cars in one area. And how's this width of 100
ft going to affect those families that park a lot of cars at one house? >> Uh, and if if they needed the parking space, it would be better to have it on the neighborhood, the house side, I feel, so they would have the extra
spaces. Now, I'm talking about just Indian Street. Yeah, >> I like the concept in other areas that maybe aren't quite so congested though. >> Can I um if a point of clarification the um so the the drive lane and the
parking that you see on screen, it can be flipped, right? It's it's not um it's not right or wrong. It can be on the outside. Um there especially in neighborhoods where you see a lot of driveway that you can't have um you
can't have like a marked downtown style of um on street parking parallel parking. What we typically do is we stripe an edge lane on the outside and that becomes a space that um you know neighbors can park and so you're not constrained and confined to um you know
these >> So you don't have the lines. >> Yeah. You don't have the line >> just one long and you just pull in. Okay. Gotcha. Yep. That's >> more typical the outside. It might be confusing for people with this and they may end up driving in the
parking spaces if no one's parked. >> You know how people are. >> They drive down the multi-use lane all >> road. They were driving over the sidewalk just to get Yeah. How you treat that is you put ballards in the middle of the entrance of the multi-use way. Um
Yeah. Well, we hope, but um >> so I just had two things. Um I think it's great when you go back to the community because they live there, so they'll have really good insight for you. Um I agree with Rex. I I do feel
like the parking there would be an issue. My other concern with all of the ebikes and everything in the multi-use trail, is there a designated lane for bikes in a designated walking >> lane or is it just
>> in in this particular design? No, it's it's mixed use. It's um for interpretation in this particular design here. >> Yes, I see that. Yeah, there are. So, instead of what you think of a traditional multi-use trail on the outside, what we do is we stripe we will
stripe it for bike only and ped only. And we've done this um all over and other part of um you know, Palm Beach County. Very consistent. DOT has adopted this concept in a lot of their um I guess like uh road reconstruction
projects that they have upcoming. Um they've done this in down in um Lakew Worth uh you know West Palm Beach. They've done this concept where they you stripe it so you're biking you're in one area so it's designated.
>> I So maybe it could be a combination of those two >> Yeah. >> lands so to speak. Okay. Yeah. I think it's great when you go back to the community because they'll they'll have the best insight for you. >> Absolutely. There's no right or wrong. like these are concepts we will estimate
um the cost of construction um and um you know the higher cost of the two concepts and we're because it's you know we have to plan for the future um but these are details um but uh ultimately the goal is multimodal complete streets
making sure that we stay consistent with the CRA plan and the code >> anybody else thanks so much that was a Great presentation. We appreciated it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, bud. >> Uh, our next item is departmental and
there's nothing written there. So, we go into the comments section. Any members of the public wish to speak? I don't see anybody. Any members of the board? Any comments? Yes. >> I just want Oh, I keep forgetting about
this. I just wanted to um remind everyone about the Bohemian Festival which will be coming up pretty soon at New Monrovia in Port Solerno. It's the annual party where they have a Junkanoo band that comes out and there's a beautiful parade. There's all kind of
food trucks and it's a good entertainment that comes out, dancers and musicians and it's a good time all day long. And I believe that is October 4th. Let me double check before I lie to you. Yes. October 4th. >> And where?
>> New Monrovia. >> New Monrovia Park. And they usually have the parade and the band in the morning around about 10 or 11 o'clock. >> Great. Anybody else? >> Yes, ma'am.
>> I don't know if they what I'm going to ask. We having a problem with the trash pickup in Golden Gate, especially the you know people cutting their trees and I've seen this pal in the middle of you know
Fairmont before I left for Morocco and I came back and he's still there. Reason I notice because scratch my car because I come close to it and it's still there. They never come back and pick up you know like they used to. They pick up
mostly yard waste or is it furniture? >> Both furniture and yard waste. >> Usually waste management's really good about that. >> I know. And they just seem like they're they're not really You can come and look
around. You need >> sometimes you got to call them though. >> Well, >> yeah, we can we can give them a call, Cadilla, and see if for whatever reason if there's something going on. And I've even submitted the requests for services at times if I see them out out there a little too long and they usually respond
pretty >> I know I normally kind of send you know like an email to I mean Jeff Sabin >> and u I didn't want to bother him this time be honest with you and just >> yeah I I can give him a call and see
what's going on >> because they are not really doing what they mostly do. Well, I'll just let them know that you said so in public at a meeting where, you know, it's televised and I bet you they'll be out there the next day. Tell them told their trucks
not to hit my car cuz that's >> I'll let them know that, too. Any other demands? No, I'm teasing. >> Any other comments from the board? >> This is not a good demand. What else you want? >> I'm good.
I'm okay. Anybody else? Staff comments? >> Nothing for me.