##VIDEO ID:dajbYoaH7pI## Pledge of Allegiance pled aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all make sure your mics are on easy it's not on Scott no [Music] do consider approval of the agenda I make a motion to approve the agenda Wakefield second motions been made in second to approve the agenda all in favor say I I I oppos motion carries business items consider approval of July 15 24 meeting minutes so moved second motions been made in second any discussion to approve minute meetings of July 15th I'll favor say I I oppos carried review business Improvement grant program for 26 solicitation 25 solicitation say 26 you haven't you're on The Struggle Bus this week yeah yeah happen getting my years all wrong make that 25 you say yeah that's 25 not 26 holy cow get it together so we've gone through our first round of Grant solicitations they're going well two of them are finished and wrapped up uh Michael Madson still working on his he was replacing exterior windows and door uh painting and repairing the siding adding exterior lighting renovating the interior into open leasable space with HVAC work he's currently waiting on or current working on the interior space and windows uh permit's been pulled for that and then he's waiting on contractors for the rest of the stuff Butternut Tree LLC they replaced their four Windows did some foundation repair uh and then waterproof sealed it that work was completed and they turned in all the grant paperwork and that check has been cut can I say something yeah so in Mattson the key that we were working on that one was the roof was flat he was going to fix is the was the roof repaired in that part of the no it was not part of the bid and then back to Butternut Tree they did tuck pointing right no that was Ace Employment Agency okay thank you still working on cess Bank did Mill and overlay the parking lot and did some Landscaping where that old tree used to be that work has all been completed and that Grant has been closed out um R&V they were wiring uh the fence wiring the fence in area with outlets and lighting they're adding a security camera to that fence and lighting as well as refacing updating the front siding and adding gutters he's waiting on contractors to finalize their work schedule to get started on that um Ace employment they were doing the brick repair tuck pointing work they were placing the front door in a window installing an awning in the front repainting and Landscaping out in front it looks like they've been I think the window in has been replaced Y and they were tuck pointing and now have left so I'm thinking maybe all of it's done or they're going to come back the awning is not there the aw's not there yet they're finishing up the painting so that would still be an open yep so they're still working on that but then are they planning to open then I don't know what their plan is for afterwards hopefully yes uh Bob's repair after that uh he has replaced the overhead door uh he's still waiting uh for his contractor to get back to him on schedule for repairing the brick work and the backing on the front of the building the Southside then he still needs to install the flag lighting which he said would be next week on that and then mayor Lumber they had the re-roof and then they had a strip of asphalt along Highway 25 the re-roof is complete and they're waiting on the asphalt replaced close out that Grant so things are coming along on that front now the grant program itself I want to since we've gone through it we've gone through the process scoring all of that take a look what would well what needs to be improved we need to shift focus on things um I think uh right off the bat for me um for the eligible project costs I think we should discuss what we're going to prioritize with that they're eligible but what is going to carry more weight than others because clearly that was some of the consideration when we're going through it so I think it would be good to put get those not necessarily ranked but do you value aesthetic stuff over structural stuff versus parking lots things of that nature um another one to look at is how we how do we want to deal with the multiplex and shim cor because we didn't know how to best approach that discussion on that how we want to do that and then just look at the pointing system itself uh when we're going through on the scoring aspect we got off on tangents that weren't necessarily part of the rubric so looking at that and does this work do we need to change up the whole thing for different categories that we're actually going to be putting Point towards that we work within that framework anything else so I have one what do we do if somebody was given 150 days and they don't get the work completed uh they come to me they and it's not in there and that's one note I have on here is 150 days based building permit cycle and when originally that was put in that was to make sure there was a time constraint yeah the idea being we don't want you know for 99.9% of our grant applications is never going to be an issue they might see need some extra time here and there but they'll get the work done we have this in here so we have that it's been a year you're not doing squat we're going to cut you off and you're not going to get your Grant because you haven't done well 150 days is five months so you've got your five months so you haven't got it done so what's the procedure then after the five months did they get a letter to we have a form letter a template letter we don't you're a grant applicant uh winner or whatever you want to say um per the grant program five months or 150 days has laps and to this date we do not see that the project has been completed therefore please give an update within the next 15 to 20 days a receipt of this letter I think this If This Were chasa that's probably the route but since it's mayor and I know all the grant applicants I just send them an email or give them a phone call and they keep it more informal than formal yeah got it okay I think that has a better working relationship sure if we were bigger and we had a bunch of stuff to go out that might change my tune but given we're a nice small town okay I've got their email addresses I know them by first name got it I've been reaching out to them for updates as we get on this but in that I think number four under program guidelines right there all work must be completed with 150 days of approval I think we should in there add in there Clause that extensions may be permitted or granted by the city administrator as warranted okay you want to add that language for 2025 yeah so like with um Ace you know we know Mr Matson is building out to accommodate a business M do we know for a fact that Ace is doing the same no we don't see I think we should maybe reconsider stuff like that well I think I think should be a business model or plan or or at least say we're going to lease it out you know we really have no knowledge of any that building could sit there for another 10 years 10 years with nobody in it and we just spent money that could have went to somebody else that right is already operating a business right yeah because that would show need expedited need right right so if we know if somebody say I'm going to fix this building but I'm not going to do anything for the next 10 years maybe somebody says hey I have somebody that wants to lease my property maybe they that's a deciding factor right in granting the funds because we know well at least I do and I think Nick does that Mike has full intentions on leasing that yeah that space out right because it's not making him any money as it sit there exactly it's costing him money right but I I do I really think we need to have something like that in there yeah I do too I agree as per Nick's uh suggested verbage for number four uh extensions may be waved or or more time period granted should that be Nick's decision or should it be the EB board's decision we don't meet frequent enough to make decision I was gonna say I'm comfortable enough having Nick make that decision all right just my opinion yeah you guys we meeting monthly I think you we're having a different discussion sure when it's quarterly yep and when we're probably may be dealing with I know we're GNA eventually ask for more money and so on and so forth depending on how the program goes but if we're only going to have eight or 10 applicants yeah I think and we're not dealing with large dollar amounts here right it's physically responsible for him to okay I AG Nick was what was your reference back to um shim cor shim cor I see the parking lot did get repaired it did it's fixed by yeah and the other one yep I did see that so the question that parking lot was an example of a common common owned Space by multiple tenants how do we handle Grant applications in that s does each one get to submit one and then they get their strip but how do you deal with that or do they all submit as one as one property and do they just get one Grant or do they get a multiplier good question it's a very good question they have an association so they're all one so that Supply as one and we can decide whether they get one or two grants so the association should be the grantee I think Association the association is the business that owns the yeah the entity that yeah maintains the property don't they then pay no offense don't they pay Association to take care of said problem they do should we really then be offering should probably be rated a little lower in the scale because well that's what I'm saying because they're literally paying a maintenance fee for it why then would we turn around and give because they're short that's why okay well and they haven't accumulated enough these other businesses too are charging something and their overhead that kind of the same thing okay but does that open Pandora's Box then I'm only saying this like morning drive is an association Drive Association field an associ those are resal okay I wasn't sure how that would work I'm saying it's also associations no you're right it is I get where you're coming from but I think you're talking okay I just a private single business would put away money into their own coffers to re parking lot I think that Association you're just adding in an extra step with an association the business owner now pays the association who now takes care of the Park yeah I don't think they're putting any money towards the fund it gets done and then gets spread out in the people really yeah I don't think there's any money put ahead they they they have to fight to get the lawn mode money oh they get P keny's Bill and then have to pay it they should almost dissolv the assoc he suppose you can't do that can you it lies with the land from my understanding I would say we'd love to stay out of it they can vote on it that's I think this is probably beyond the scope of the conversation yeah I just wasn't sure because let's say Adam owns three I'd be fine you know yeah he owns three but that would only be then then won $10,000 towards his portion they individually all exactly but that's where it gets weird now you're prepairing this slot the rest exactly just want to do the whole thing and I think you want them to do the whole thing rather than well see it out yeah and then that gets weird too because if you do the association well there's only one Association so they're only eligible for 10,000 bucks well that's no offense in 188,000 or whatever it was uh bid that $10,000 doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot but that's not a criteria that's no so in hearing this let me propose this on on program guidelines number three an applicant may only be awarded one Grant per property per 12 Monon period sub under that a if it is a jointly owned property one Grant can only be applied per jointly owned property as a whole correct so they would have to get to get of the parking lot how function is they come in and say how do we deal with their parking lot in the grant it's all commonly owned you submit one Grant application you are eligible for $10,000 even though it's a $180,000 cost well so be it I'll go back to the example I used last time you have the an association with a big parking lot space say next door sits Walmart with a big parking lot space 10 grand doesn't go towards the Walmart one either but if they applied try to treat them fairly across the bo say there's 10 business spots in this $10,000 received still $1,000 for each person is still thousand bucks true and let me just go back it's hard to clear a thousand bucks in a business the pool just to get above all your expenses and stuff yeah the Pooles were repaired not the whole parking that was oh let clarify that yep let me clarifying that so does that treat we one property I think so one property one property rule it has to be across the board there's even if they were storage condos or business condos storage meaning the man cave ones it's just one entity well now see like Brads would be an exception because your allseason is separate from Bradley's Collision is it not yeah they're different corporations but one property it is one property that's all in one property so you would get one for that prop you get one for that property per and if you if you actually said uh is it a pin then then actually uh some of these places have or tax tax numbers or whatever they all have separate yeah property ID number that's what I was getting at but anyways PID number yeah anyways um so there's probably more PID numbers than then it's back to the businesses because they own the pins in there so you can't go by that is what I'm trying to say they have to work through the association yours might be on one pin pit number yes yeah that's what I thought yeah for the association the pit numbers are actually in the building right so we can't just use that like oh go by the pin number no yeah you're right we can't do that either that's one now let's take it one more um let's say they want to do interior work as long as it's separated into Suites like this they would be considered separate if it's inside work it's front yeah if they want to put a different business front on like if it was a strip mall I guess that would be that be separate in theory okay I don't think they can do anything outside dissociation they probably want to keep uniform right but yeah well you're the owner of yours but if uh if some I suppose strip mall too it still be but they do different facings on different buildings you know I know what you're saying one looks like 1900s the other one looks like whatever but I'm sure they a Lee space that that isn't fair realistically if we're going to if Brad has five businesses in there they all should be eligible yeah but we said we weren't going to pay for equipment but if it's uh redo the inside and it's under the owner it's under that person's expense and they clear it you know the owner clears you know Say Hey I want to Tin this out to make it look like Pizza Ranch you know okay well we then then we can go in and do that we're not really buying equipment pizza ovens but we're doing something that what what I mean I I ain't saying we should do that what do you guys think about interior whatever I called it we do have that here if a tenant is the applicant a written letter of support and authorization from the owner indicating the support to project but that's you know maybe that's more of one to directed in a one and one if you have something like this where you have multiple tenants in a building in a suite Arrangement uh Butternut Tree is another one they're just a very mini right they have like four tenants plus yeah yeah Brad 10 years from now you've got tenants in yours I hope sooner yeah 10 years from now stuff starts to age and you're looking at swapping stuff out or one comes in and how do we treat that does the individual business get to apply for you know that particular space to do renovations if they're coming in or something needs replacement or is that Brad quas as a whole that's a good question it'll come up what I was getting at as a business if he wants to renovate something say uh maave doesn't look like a gabby anymore they want to do something else in the inside or somebody else bought it to do it on the inside um we if we absolutely know it's a business that's easier that because that's one building to one tenant yeah right okay talking multiple tenants per but okay so throw that in a strip mall and they want to redo the inside to make it look something like something else whether it's palm trees and it's or it looks like something you know changing it I would I would go with that because that's kind of a business Drive thing so somebody had like the hutch malls owned by individual guy that I know and then he has all the leases with all the people inun mall but like if he had a um suntan lotion a suntan lotion a suntanning salon that wants to go in there and change the facade to have palm trees and sand and looking we said we're not buying equipment but but you're changing the facade interior facade look they got to redo the electrical to upgrade it to yeah for all the beds and stuff like that you're you'd be cool with that I'd be fine with that yeah because it's a going Improvement to the business right the business so they can get in and start generating money that's what Ed is is that one grand applied to that property or does can you do it for the suntanning let's say two months later or let's say the the neighbor Carly shoes Carly shoes wants to do a facade upgrade y on theirs I'd say it's two different businesses but we were talking parking a lot the first time right and now we're talking inside the building right but that's why I'm clarifying c space versus yeah yeah that's what I think I just want to make sure we're laser sharp somebody wants a big Neon sign in Brad's building and somebody wants just a you know single lit you know one light happen big neon come on Brad don't want that on Four Street the end the East end of it too yeah right Facing East flashing flashing flashing laser even yeah know just make sure it points directly at the neighbor yeah yeah yeah yeah the neighbor there that guy that guy oh boy oh boy yeah I think I think we STI individual businesses would apply within that mall strip mall interior work when you're doing interior stuff yeah so I 100% agree with that I just want to make sure we're all on the same page so even if Brad had a tenant online and it would help that tenant he didn't move in yet and there's nothing done with the walls um we'd have to kind of figure out what we could help them get going from even studded walls at that rate you know MH well $10,000 I mean it's it's a lot of money but in in the big project it probably isn't when when a kitchen at home cost 30 40,000 yeah oh they're not going to run over you they're not going to steamroll you at no but if it buys them tables or you know it's a good start we don't mean to be owning you know redoing their whole business but Grand you're not gonna you're not going to lose much but you're helping people like Scott Scotty said the if you did a tanning or a spa or a salon the hbac is very expensive you have to have air exchange and stuff so they might come in for something like that yeah okay uh eligible project costs as we take a look at those too far did you want to rate those somehow is that what you were saying before or no so that's the conversation I wanted to have in going through the process it seemed like some of these carried more weight than others as far as what the Eda felt should be now they're eligible so they're all fundable but some were looked at as more valuable than others as far as Grant ranking if I could say not just because I'm sitting on this chair but if I could say that anything with the building is is is structural or design with the building not so much the sidewalks or parking lots or all that but the building would be the the main thing people see um I think that's where the money's going to stay anyways you know do you do you weigh I weigh that the heaviest is what I'm saying that's 14 that's I put one through five 7 through nine what do you mean 14 uh restoration Rehabilitation of architectural features and other exterior aspect no what I'm getting at when we're another page applications you have a parking to look better he needs to scroll up on his computer screen I didn't look over there honestly a lot there you go I think a lot of it's gonna have to do with what the owner thinks that's most important too yeah I suppose when they make their presentation or the initial right right and their initial really really really like to have this done exactly the emphasis on really this is kind of like this is kind of like my wish list this is what needs needs yeah wants and needs I think we did a good job last time I think okay well I'm going to play Devil's atate all five applications really really really really really need completely separate things okay yeah how are you g to score them because now that's why it's back to us where we say yeah now I've neutralized your really really neat argument because now Case by case there I guess I would move I don't think there's enough business in this town to really hinder or or or restrict yeah we're not going to have the same people every year we might but I really doubt that we're GNA have the same applicants over and over and over and over right but I'm going to go back to what we just went through we had more applicants than we had money we did and parking lots fell to the bottom of the priority list I think that's fine in your discussions I can tell you parking lots even though they're eligible and we want to fund them and straight into the gutter yep and other things Flo at the top as priorities I would agree what I'm asking you to do is take this list and say can you categorize it's not like rank one two three four but are there categorizations of things that carry more weight than other things parking lots obviously near the bottom yeah but there are things because in our discussion that I had I was like before trust has been there since 1994 if you remember my argument they've paid taxes since 1994 to the city so so you know they're they're right on the corner okay more cars past that area for visual than any other area in the city so there are other factors that come into play when it comes to the decision decision making right but that's up to this board because we kind of brought that to the attention too with that yeah industrial building like it's not a foot traffic no not it's not a customer based well watch happen to really really really need I know and see that's just it we're now you just tossed that out the way we did we did that's where I'm coming at get your rubric in order yeah so it's fair across the board and that so that's this part of it the eligible project cost do you prioritize aesthetic improvements over structural versus landscaping and parking lot type of stuff I want to think in that context yeah I'm thinking building more so I would say structural or structural you're going to give the highest weight to Aesthetics after that and then the sidewalk and curb yeah then the fancy stuff that's what I would say that stuff at the bottom that's what I'd say and that's fine to do I just want to make sure we memorialize that in the grant program so when people apply they know what they're applying for and how they're going to get judged right I I would say that makes that holds I mean common sense so we don't go yeah everything's great under eligible list and they're like oh great so parking lots are just as valued as everything else and then we go nope guess not right but at the same time even though the customer is building let's say is failing he doesn't apply for set application for that he just wants a new sign or you know new facade but there's you know structural issues falling in well that's what I'm saying like how they didn't apply for that so then how do you rank it even though we might know cuz we lived here how long or know somebody H how do we wait that then well if this guy wants his HVAC fixed but this guy wants new roof with an awning and beautiful Windows well that's going to be visual you're going to see that and this guy's hbac may depend on that his business may depend on that like if you said it was tricky with the pet grooming we gotta think about that but it's like I still kind of like to see something I I agree with you but yeah how do we wait that though I think that's how we just said it well Nick wants us to put it in the in writing and and see I want to go Case by case but I think we should let it FL mix I think we should mix it up in here so there is no so that we take it how we feel that you know it isn't Aesthetics over structure and it isn't structure over Aesthetics yeah it's it's what we decide the circumstances we can't really put it so that doesn't help you because your applicants are it's going to be wishy-washy when your applicants come in what are my chances are getting this done so what they're going to ask me well what does the board want to see and I'm g whatever they feel like at the moment that's just that's what you just said yes it is I'm holding your fire on it I said uh structural wise you're absolutely right if you said it was a I won't go as far as arbitrary capric I still lean I said I still lean to the the Cal I'm you know I'm not saying we but that's where I want us to D that's where it makes it difficult for you because you're the one talking to them we're Lally and they're asking you the questions not us you can say the board decid is that what I said yeah literally people are at our Mercy changes with the wind right that's just that's what he's saying yeah few of you have a bad day and now the right exactly I don't want that I don't want to see that I didn't like that that's what makes it difficult being the person that's in charge of the and that's why I'm Force that's why I'm going to force you guys to drill down on what the rubric ought to be these are our PRI this is what we want to see here's how we're going to score it so I can go this is so if they come in with a parking lot I'm going to say it'll score low I would say that's what the board doesn't prioritize I'm redoing my roof and because it's you know it's 30 years old and the shingles are falling off and then I gotta redo my electrical because it's terrible well they're going to score that great because it's keeping the building in board order oh it's also empty and if I can do this I'm going to be putting it on the market to get a business in there that score is even high higher right because that's what you want to see out empty buildings or I have a potential tenant but I got to get these windows fixed before heall come in right or oh yeah maybe it maybe you don't Place higher priority on bringing somebody in because then you're favoring that over existing businesses that are exist but you make that if you have an empty building yeah we need to see a plan out of you because we're not just going to give you money for the fun of it right what are you gonna be doing then to fill it up back to where we started at the beginning of this conversation to roll of dice on that but at least if it's an empty building then you must submit some sort of I guess if we're going Common Sense I'd say structure Aesthetics yeah and thankfully we got a couple meetings to figure this out but that's what I would say I mean that's what makes the most sense because you want something to be structurally sound before you're slapping right slapping you know rapping paper on it and I'll work on breaking category out into those and I'll send it out for take a peek at on 14 do we want to change exterior and then add slash interior too like we were talking about the suntanning booth and the Carly shoes yeah I think you had interior to that that makes sense on 14 everybody okay with that okay SL interior mhm okay I think with made anybody mad last time did we I know there was a few concerns and I tried talking to some of those folks after just kind of explaining our our thought process and thanks for doing that but CU I was I was really excited to to be a part of this and I I didn't want anybody to feel like they were left out or you know like I said before I've been around here long enough we've done this before and had nobody apply years in the past is that right yeah nich very good aggressive send all letters that helps a lot well right making people aware I thought I'd see more than I did fact I tracked down Scott I well I asked him you got the original one back in 98 so I asked him multiple times I'm like okay he said now would be a good time I said add on get rid of the trailer slap some paint on put a sign up I said look nice tornado Furniture was there at the time they turned it down they didn't know what to do with it I don't know the church was there Security Bank wasn't even here they church was still there they turned it down so yeah this is great I think it's but it goes back to a lot of Nick right the things that Nick's doing marketing at the way he's doing it the city administrator at the time just wanted to offer it and that was about it right I told as many people as I could yeah that's that helps I grabbing email address I was phoning people I was if I didn't have either of those I just walked up to the business walked in and said hey Chad did you have anybody from the uh home business people because there are a lot of them out there we were really surprised anybody like that approach me the eboard made a a motion to find out what businesses we actually have and when the former administrator came back I think we were all kind of surprised how many businesses there were and the majority of them were out of their homes they ineligible right right yeah this this program doesn't is not eligible for them rck and mortar rck and mortar but okay all right did we get more money or we didn't get more money we didn't get more money oh it's at 50 yet it's still at 50 okay well and then pending what applications do or do not go through or get done or whatever there could be monies left over too I don't know I expect these all to complete okay this might take a little longer um then on to the local bus or the uh selection [Music] criteria may not get this figured out tonight but um perhaps homework being what do we want the waiting to be after going through this now what some of this some of this what made sense other stuff we had a criteria of it and we absolutely didn't use it it's like project feasibility and timeliness well we didn't that that one didn't even come into play um what Criterion do we want to use maybe we just get rid of the project feasibility and timeliness move that up to alignment with program purpose and goals since true we didn't really few people did the points but we didn't all so no we don't that's just we could probably just scratch that off there right we scratch this whole thing and redo it it didn't work out all that well give us a sample and we can a or a it I think you have a handle on it a good handle that's where I go back to um the three priorities then right structure yeah maybe we just make it a three-point system three-point system structure but the first one obviously heavily weighted 60 70 points so then when Nick's talking to him he like oh you're going to redo the foundation well that's a good thing because that's structure right or maybe make it or you're gonna put an awning on and a facade it's not as high as structure but that's okay it'll do pretty good the last thing is parking lots well that's going to rank very low so maybe we do a three-way three-way rating system 50 25 25 33 and a third 33 and a third ws and things that have been mentioned does how long they've been in business matter yeah does the location matter yeah does how much tax space they represent matter I think it does it did we that's selection criteria right so where does that go that's maybe it's a third maybe it's a 25 25 25 25 and that falls in the bottom category you got to get 75% no You' be at 100 well no I know but to to qualify you got to get 7 yeah or at least 70 points or that create maybe that come that creates another uh area called intangibles maybe or whatever you want to call it where you go into that adding to the tax base how long they've paid taxes in location for visibility purposes of the Improvement so I.E uh Main Street 25 versus Back Street shm Drive yeah yeah but then you can't even do that because let's just take for instance like Brads who would face 30 you know who would that weight higher than say wone rolloff who sent you know Focus further back would that carry he carry more weight or less weight than wone roll off absolutely yeah well of course Brad would had more you don't have to say it because he's here a lot no what's won roll off it's a chain link fence with some screening on it and dumpsters being dump stop I mean it's complete different business right I know but it's not a retail business people don't pull in I want to buy a dumpster you know we were saying it as far as SM up my dump raing it on Frontage you know and being able to see it is that's all I would say so Tom said earlier see it I mean you keep your stuff very nice just by the way so yeah I think it should be in there intangibles yeah I won't say as how long you own your business really matters I want to play fair you know I don't know Scott tell about how much money you've paid oh me I get that but like now we have one that they're paying business tax nothing's open there we have no idea if there's going to be anything open there and we just gave him grant money or going to give him Grant M does he is he paying business tax should be commercial tax yeah there's people in the business center that aren't paying business tax well I think that's getting remedied is it not that's really property tax versus other forms of tax and that's what I was thinking of property tax because the city gets a portion of that right so the schools so we're talking business yeah the business business tax business businesses pay the majority of the taxes in the city they get they get uh so when you say tles as 25% that includes a a lot of a lot of things there yep lot of things that Scott yep put it in a bucket locations in that bucket too by the way okay it's hard cuz all of us have lived mayor a very long time 62 years I'm on 43 so I mean I came in 94 that but that's what's hard though I was here I mean within a mile we've all been here for how long so that I'm not saying we don't have new insights you know or how somebody new coming in would feel but that I I don't know if length should play a factor I understand where Scott's coming from I really do but then at the same time I feel like know somebody really wants to make it go what do you you know I don't know I don't know or what about okay let's say somebody applies three years in a row does three different things somebody new applies but the other person applied again do we go for the new person even though this person's project is just as tangible that's what I'm saying that how can we wait try and alleviate an issue down the road that hasn't happened never cover everything tangible yeah it it's it sucks but it's got to be Case by case here bye basis yeah to a point yes to a point you're not going to solve all of this no we're not going to make everybody happy every year right exactly and there might be years we make everybody happy because nobody app applied or yeah you know it's really hard to say Yep they're trying to predict the future exactly I think we have a good start with you know structure so R&V since 1961 wanted to do something identical to Bob's repair and then you're going to throw the weight of R&V being older I don't think that I think it the money would have to be like split equally and the age wouldn't have anything to do with it remember that's only 25% of the figuring I still I don't think the age should have anything to do with it you mean age of the business no I don't think because how do you look at Zach's been there one year or do you look at 60 years exactly yeah well there's only there's only a lifespan like to be in business you're in business for 30 years or whatever maybe 40 years so even though you know the bank has had they're they're the New Kids on the Block now because they resold right real so I don't think I don't think age and how many taxes they paid I don't think it should be I mean I think it's if like I said if Bob's and R&V wants to do the same thing and and Bob just got out and so Matt's the new owner and sacks a couple years ahead of them or whatever it's like it's irrelevant it should be dollar split in case it's they would do the same thing and there's $10,000 available it should be go five and five maybe if that's what it's down to because I don't think I don't think the age matters it's uh the relevance of business we have to worry about business and and not to put money towards one person that's in competition with the other one either that ain't fair but but if it's a newer business I mean not saying just that but it's easier if it's a new business non-competing then it's like well yeah we haven't had to tackle that yet right that's in the future coming I don't like I think Brad's with me on that that the age of the business doesn't matter May Lumber Rod's probably the the oldest owner yeah he is that's like helz and Knuckleheads too helz has been since 1941 right you know I me but Mike bought it 10 years ago well right but I'm just saying you can't like Tom to Tom's Point yeah because they've technically been a business longer yeah you know you can't it's Apples to Apples and one wants to do a parking lot the other one wants to reface the front right you know the older one has no other things to do other than right put some flowers in with this guy's got needs windows and siding so I think it's just just and maybe we're overthinking this no way too much well that's good then it's good exercise next fault it is oh yeah we don't know what's going to come across the table next right exercise but I'm also not expecting Rome to be built today right let's just get thinking when we come back again yeah at the next meeting it's like okay had time to think start get a headache with go through it what yeah clarify the whole being that we can when we meet again here we can get the program out it' be nice to get this out a little earlier yeah yes during the winter time so people can get on contractor schedules and it's unfortunate we're not going to get that's a good point Nick money ear more so is the city gonna front every year yeah likely okay so then we could start handing out grants as early as what February March I would Dubai when did we have in Dubai last time it was June but that was because of waiting for money until the council gave whatever but this year we could I think a better timeline would be open grants start of February yeah because you've already set your budget in your levy2 give them till you know end of February to get Grant applications in very early March because then you can start getting on contractor schedules if you've got work so then March we'd rule on whoever's apply sounds good January first year send out what contractors going to give your best bid in the early part of the year as they are in the middle of the Year well right when because they have too right you got it in winter you're get yeah the best time a bit of project I'm thinking large projects now is January 1 January 5 because the business is starting to build their book of calendar of projects for the year right so in Watertown wanted to redo the bridging town they let bit let bids in September but those contractors are struggling to get the jobs done now so they did is they took the number that the engineer gave them and doubled it so the bids came in at $8 million so I suggested the city council to reject all those bids and they did and I told them to take the same package and rebid it in January so it came in at $4 million geez 90 days later saved them $4 million I saved them by doing projects it actually came in under what the engineer estimated the cost would be at 5 million in the end it cost 3.9 to do it so we even save more money I Echo that all the infrastructure projects theyve ever done you bid it over the winter months yes to get on their schedules for the next year yeah because in September they what another oil change Jesus we don't have time for that no if I was going to bid it in September another car that needs to rep we only three Bays here I can't get more cars yeah that's that's the mentality when you're in it it's a whirlwind of work but when you're not and you're looking at your calendar and you're starting fresh that's when you want to start putting projects in your calendar so so the sooner my point is with this project the sooner we get it done I agree where the contractors are going to the individuals will get better pricing that ACC quarterly do you guys want to meet next month no no I think we're okay so January will we meet in January yeah January will be sooner can work through email if you wanna sure you have my outside the bank email yeah yeah you do yep okay yeah January okay Mr Boss Man yeah alert work on language updates and I'll send those out and then feel free to send back replies yep I know what I want what else we got our reports our reports for our members I have one what's the update on the creary got a report that's a question I was gonna say I Economic Development Authority individual reports and items it's an item okay my item for tonight is what's up with the I've had a lot of good interest in it I'd say 75% of it is commercial IND industrial okay applications all right which it's C2 so it doesn't qualify we can change the uh the uh yep no why uh if you change it to CI we're gonna get another boat shed oh well I'm not gonna lie at this point it'd be better than looking at that thing right all right Mak sense I don't think we want another shed I don't think that corner is what you want commercial industrial yeah so I think it's C2 right now I think C1 would also be acceptable office space something of that nature would be acceptable in the C1 General commercial type of stuff but when you get in the CI that's the type of stuff you expect to go into shim yeah somebody said online it says sold really contingent maybe okay I don't know pending maybe got inspection well I wouldn't put that in there he's been sell it as is oh yeah Nock pending inspection I hope all the stuff that has to be probably re no it was done already the county did the mitigation all the little guys with the Asmat suits went in there for okay that's all been mitigated there's two there's two tanks Underground on the west side of the building I swear we had those removed no they're there but they've been cleaned so they just need to be yanked can you just fil with sand don't you remember them being pulled out of there I swear they pulled them out I verified with the npca that the tanks at least to the npca are still there dated what dat uh I talked to the NPC month and a half [Music] ago I should have took pictures all right he if they're gone great but I swear L for nca's record say tanks are in there but they were cleaned so whatever happens they just need to house okay all right that that' be great if we dug down and they're not there but yeah right well can't they do some sort of probing yeah yeah I would assume they'd do that before they go spin yeah I mean even his archaic is running a steel rod into the ground till you hit something yeah okay so there's activity c21 his listing is going to run out at some point so he's got till Janu or July of next year Council was on board with that confirm date there um July 31st now nothing precludes him from selling the property to someone else that's fine you can go ahead do that but then when they come to us and say Hey I want to put a hog barn on there yeah no right that's where the Ticky chck well I just bought the property well no you didn't well you did you did you probably should have but you should check yeah the usage due diligence your research fire beware right so um when you're done I got something I'm done that's all I need go ahead tomad does Eda want to sponsor the Wednesday night car shows for next year oh continue sponsoring they are sponsoring or whatever you want to call it funding it or whatever is or why doesn't because Thea traditionally well you don't have to improve it I just oh did we approve yeah I've been doing it for years yeah we have it's always been through Eda I just want to know if I can reop it it was 500 bucks right and this year I spent did what was it did they go with the 240 on that lady okay because they were one less the drummer broke his leg or something I thought well how about this don't need the just anyways so we the LA October we turned it into an October Fest we did that last year with Janelle and it actually was pretty good this year but that's where $240 went out of A5 it was it was 300 to $500 budget or something like that but all all I ever bought was signs and that was it anyways did the council approve it before there was an Eda board oh there was an Eda board started just feel like that almost the money's there absolutely well it it comes on out of our budget and our budget is 2500 to begin with I think just normally oh it's budgeted every year it comes up as an item I'm sure but yeah I'm asking you guys as a group do you still feel that it's worth it absolutely okay yeah and then it's still up to the city to budget I just wanted to budget stuff me budget stuff here it comes 2500 yep 1524 spreadsheet this so this five yep got these two here come out of those two grand got it no that's for the what we do as a whole but yeah the 500 would come somewhere out of there it's in there find by me fine by me all right I said I don't go hog Wilder might need three new signs or five new signs but those lasted well you do the postcards don't you no that's that's separate that's May Rising yes yeah okay well the city does some printing but that's internal we help out with that sounds good to me oh yeah and you actually help yeah you you're you're working a little bit with the rising Community Festival on some stuff so do we have to put that on January to approved I or is that that's discretional you got it's already budgeted yeah as long as you guys are continue I would say it's a consensus thing it' be different if we're increasing the budget or something outside the budget yeah we're not doing music already and then it would turn into music in the park so the money should come from somewhere else right then it should be the park board if I was to do that right right it's working fine sounds good sounds good I got nothing anybody want to do number seven I'll make a motion second motion to remain second to adjourn any discussion all in favor say oppos carried so you want to come look at my truck like you out there oh about