it early. It takes forever to spool. Call to order the October 7th, 2025 planning commission meeting. Um, seeking approval of agenda. Motion second. Motion and second. Who is the second?
I'll take it. Sarah. Sarah. All right. All in favor say I. I. Opposed? Hearing none. Um, approval of minutes from September 2nd planning commission meeting. Motion. Second motion and a second. All in favor say I.
I. I. All oppose. Hearing none. Motion passes. New business. Zoning ordinance update discussion regarding the remaining general regulation section and zoning districts and map section.
Okay. I'll uh go through this here tonight. Um basically we have a couple sections from the previous general regulation section that I want to touch on. One being the tree preservation discussion we had. I got some language in there. Another one being the sign
section, which there isn't a lot of changes to it. That's basically existing language. I just took it. There's actually broken out into about 10 different sections in the current zoning order. So, I kind of codified it into the new update and there's a few little tweaks here and there. And we also talk about the outside storage which is more in relation to the storage containers.
And then we're going to talk about the residential zoning districts tonight. And then next month we'll come back and deal with all the other zoning districts like the business, the industrial, commercial, industrial, public, institutional. And then at that point, we have gone through the entire ordinance. We'll come back the following
month with an overall update. And I'll have updates on all sorts of different items that I've got a list of right now that we kind of talked about as we went through this. I know the River Rock thing came up before the meeting, but we'll have full updates on all those little points. And that'll be the final
time that we'll have to have discussion from you or suggestions or ideas um on what you want to do in regards to um the ordinance. And then after if everything's good at that point, we'd come back potentially schedule a public hearing at the planning commission where everyone be invited to come discuss it
and start going through that official approval process. So, hi Okay. Um so we'll start with the tree preservation here tonight. Um I've got on page three of your report uh discussion on um bunch of definitions.
Uh so all these definitions are being added into the definition section in the zoning ordinance. So they're kind of listed there. I didn't want to put the whole definition section in so I just pulled them all out. So basically we got definitions for canopy, coniferous, tree deciduous, tree diameter, uh drip line, forest or hardwood, you know, all the
different types of definitions that are in relation to the tree stuff. And then we'll go back to the tree preservation section uh which was in the uh landscaping section uh that we talked about previously, but this was kind of left blank. We had a discussion about adding some language in to actually
include a tree plan with new developments where they'd have to go and inventory a type of tree. So we have you know what a significant tree is which is one of the key definitions and that is basically a healthy deciduous hardwood tree measuring 6 in calipiber in diameter healthy healthy softwood
deciduous tree measuring 12 inches in uh diameter or a healthy coniferous tree which is like an evergreen 12t in height. So if they have a tree that meets those criteria on site they would be required to inventory that tree. So when they do submit their, you know, development plans, any trees on that site would be listed and then there
would be a calculation of how many are being impacted and removed and how many are being saved. If they meet a certain criteria, there's potentially that there'd be some replacement uh that would be required with that. Um so we'll get into that here shortly, but basically the tree preservation section
uh is to basically, you know, kind of look at, you know, wooded areas within the cities. And there's a lot of areas that do not have much for trees. It's just open farmland. you know, this potentially doesn't apply to that, but there are areas where it would apply if somebody was coming in with a development. So, um, basically they have
the kind of the purpose and state, uh, findings of that. That's under the, uh, number one app. Number two is the application and how that would be done. And three is the process. So, basically for developers, uh, you go forward, you get the tree preservation plan. There are, um, licensed uh, landscape
architects or people out there that do these for a living. Um there's, you know, different people you can hire. So they would, you know, hire somebody to come and do all the work that would meet this criteria. Um kind of goes through that. Uh for home or business owners, uh talks about uh this is for an existing house. Let's say somebody wants to put
up a detached garage or tear their house down and rebuild or just has an infill lot somewhere that's fully wooded and they want to do something. So with that one, they identify the significant trees on the property and then which ones will be removed due to grading or construction of the pro uh house or
whatever on the property. Um and then it's you need to comply with the tree um replacements procedure just like any developer would. Uh it shall be submitted with the grading permit or the building permit. Uh where it's a developer you probably submit that with the plumary plat um which would be a
little bit different process. uh the tree preservation plan itself um developers shall be responsible for implementing it during site green and during plan development. So they would have to protect uh the trees being saved with you know silk fence or tree protection fence or something of that
nature. Um basically it's to you know to be used for the overall best design of the project. Um so when they're designing that if there's a one really nice stand of huge oak trees or something maybe you want to save that within your design that can be looked at during that process. um encouraged to
meet with staff to discuss that. Also, there's mandatory protection. So, that's where that's fencing comes into apply. Uh significant tree removal for developments. Um you know, they shall retain as many as possible. Uh 40% of the existing caliper inches of the trees may be removed during development
without replacement. So, if that, let's just say they have a bunch of trees on site, they figured out the caliper inches that would be, you know, all the diameter. So they figure that out, they can remove up to 40% of the total caliper inches of trees on the site with no replacement requirements. There still
would be a requirement with every lot to put in your, you know, required trees for your front yard, sideyard, and corner lot, things of that nature, but there's no additional uh requirements if they remove 40%. Because you're going to have ponds, you're going to have roads, you know, have to take out some trees. Now, if you go to, let's say, they
remove 60%. So 20% of that um uh caliper inches that are being removed has to be replaced based on the schedule. And I'll kind of get in that here shortly. Um for a tree and home and business owners, we're just saying we move that down to
30%. Um so it's it's not, you know, a little bit more strict, but in some cases you might have six trees on the lot that are being, you know, removed and only one's being saved. So we can look at that a little bit later. Now, if you guys have a different requirement on the 40% for developers, 30% for a
homeowner, we can do that. Now, you know, there is no right or wrong. Every city's a little different. Typically, you see anywhere from like a 30 to 50% range. So, I kind of went in the middle with 40. And you typically see a little bit higher requirement for the homeowner. If the city feels that's not
fair, we can go the other way. So, it's up to you if you have any comments on that, I guess. So, does anyone have anything to say or no? Uh yeah, I would say just keep it the way it is but then you know per per property you know make the best decision on what's going on case by case by case based basis you know
and they will but if they you know by the numbers if they do remove that percent they are required to replace so but like I said if they can save a real nice stand of trees that can be part of that discussion uh you got a little more uh um leeway with a plan unit development where you can actually
require that on a straight zoning requirement you can't really specifically require it because if they meet the standards of this, you know, the R1 district or the R2 district, you know, they they have an inherent right to move forward, but they do have to follow the tree stuff. So, they have to replace them if need be. So,
is there a warranty on that say for developer a year warranty or something? Yes. So, there will be a warranty I think uh and I can't remember if it was in this section or the other section, but there is a warranty on that. So, they have to be, you know, alive for a certain period of time. Um I think that was in the other not in this specific
section but in the tree planting you know that we talked about previously that warranty was in there. I'll double check what is that financial guarantee number six right there. Well that's based Oh yeah there it is. It is in there one full year from the date of replacement and then there's 100. So in the letter of credit when they do a development you know they give
a letter of credit for you know sewer water streets whatever. There's also be one for the replacement trees that are required. So we can guarantee those trees get planted and a lot of times trees get planted at a different time period than say the construction of the public infrastructure because sometimes
they put them in after the project's kind of half done. Sometimes they do them right up front and the tree warranty can start at a different date let's say than the the street warranty can. So a lot of times you put the street in you wait for the following summer to put the workhorse on. That's when your warranty starts where if you put all the trees in the first year then
that warranty starts right at that time. Okay. So he's in the middle of it and he did 100% whacked every single tree. What are you gonna do about him right now? There's nothing we can do because this was prior to the uh it's in process though.
No, he's already this is not even an adopted ordinance yet. So we can't enforce something that's not adopted. So yeah, we're actually going through to look to adopt afterwards. He's still grandfathered in because he was in prior to the ordinance. So it' be like anybody that would be grandfathered in on a
non-conformity, they they'd be ahead of the ordinance. So um so anyways, uh moving down, um tree exempt from replacement, uh so if they have dead disease or dying trees, invasive species, trees that are
transplanted from other site, there are some that would be exempt. So if they have a bunch of dying trees like ashes or something like that, we're required. talked about that's the 125% of the on the letter of credit um or you know one year on the warranty as well. Uh tree
replacement there's the formula for replacement uh for developments which exceed the percentage of allowable removal of significant trees. All trees shall be replaced at a a ratio of 1/2 caliber per inch to one one inch caliper inch removed. So they're taken out 100 inches they would have to replace 50
caliber inches. Typically you plant from a deciduous tree like 2 and 1/2 uh inch caliper tree. So you just would figure that out. You know how many two and a half inch trees you need to get to 50 inches. That would be the number of trees they would have to replace. Now there's also uh the types of trees when it comes to coniferous um you know
coniferous trees six feet high kind of counts as the same. So they can mix in you know if it's rear yards a budding a roadway like a busier road like county road or something they may want to put a bunch of pine trees in the rear yard to kind of buffer the roadway. So they could put pines in or evergreens in
versus say a deciduous tree. So that's part of the plan that gets approved ultimately by the city and the city does have the ability request. You know, we want to have see more screening over here or maybe want to screen that neighboring property that's been there for 100 years versus just leaving them wide open to the new development. So So that's kind of how the tree replacement
works. And then it's got a list of acceptable tree species. Uh this is kind of number C at the bottom of page four. And then we have the list on the top of page five. um those would be trees that would be allowed. Uh then there's also a fee in le of tree placement um um where
you can pay cash. So let's say you know like when we did the uh um old fire hall and we kind of converted that commercial here a few years ago. Uh there was if I remember right there was a requirement for I think it was like six trees or eight trees but it was a small lot with not a lot of room. So in that case, we
would now have the ability to say we'll take cash as a city which would go towards say planting trees say in a park or if there's a public area that's you know doing you know like say we got the new um splash pad and you want to add a couple trees around that the developer could put those trees in versus the city
paying for that versus having them on their own property. Now in most cases developers trees are a plus you know they want trees because people like them. It helps the value of their lots. They're going to try to find a way to put those trees on their property in most cases and find a area to screen
that that'll use up what they have to. In some cases, they'll put in more if they want certain screening roadways and stuff like that. So, so that's kind of the tree preservation ordinance. Um, it kind of gives us something that we haven't had in the past. Uh, so we'll kind of move on from that one. The next section is the outdoor store. And then
if you see, we have our existing stuff. This was already taken out of the ordinance. We kind of talked about this last time as well, but um all this would go away and it's been kind of reddrafted. I only put in the I didn't put the full section. I just for this meeting, we did talk about the last meeting. Uh the next section is the
outside storage. And some of this we've kind of briefly touched on, but we're going to talk about the um uh you know, basically the stuff at the end there. It's under number eight. And this is the storage containers. Um so we I kind of added something in there about call them
LANC containers. And that definition was added into the uh uh definition section which we talked about way back at the beginning when we went through the definitions. Um basically under number eight. Yes. Quick question John. Under under
number five for off- streetet parking facilities. Yes. And mentions auto repair shops. Last time at any point did you talk about RV Bob's repair and what they have out there and how that might affect it. Um okay. So basically number five says
off streetet park park park park park park park park park park park park park park park park park park park park park parking facilities which is what we're talking about otherwise are here in regulate uh and accept in residential districts where any off streetet parking area containing over six spaces may be required to be screened. Auto repair shops shall at no time have in excess of
six disabled vehicles on the premises that are not screened from view. Um that's existing language. So, do we want to adjust that upward or what are we thinking? I guess well, we definitely have to go upward.
Yeah. Yeah. There they are as of the 2024 aerial photo. I don't know how many are disabled or not. I just know this has been something that has been longstanding within the community and I don't want inadvertent
cons inadvertent consequences. So in this case, just so everyone knows, this is current zoning ordinance. So we're not changing what's existing, right? So if we want to change it, we're actually amending it to potentially address. Can we just exempt like auto repair like
put in there exemption? Well, how do you exemp what what if all of a sudden the next auto repair comes in and puts in a 100 junk cars and just sits them in their lot? True. you know, so it's that's that's what we're trying to watch out for. And you know, I don't know, like I said, if
all those cars are not disabled, that's where I'm trying to go. Yeah. We write these things for the protection of the future as well. Making sure we don't accidentally clip somebody that's existing and how do you thread that needle? Yeah. And how do you how are you ever going to
know what's disabled and what's not? Well, disabled it means doesn't have, you know, you know, doesn't run or operate or, you know, no. I know, but how is how is anybody going to know which is which, you know, and even as administration, how are you going to know? I mean, yeah,
you can tell if it hasn't moved in, you know, nine months. Probably odds are it is, but that I think that would be something we would have to receive a complaint about. Hey, John's Auto Repair Shop,
they've had those vehicles out there. same position. Well, I mean like but like RV, they do towing and you know, probably half the toes never come back to pick up their vehicle. You know, it's shot or been in an accident. And the thing is, they've got a process to
go through to be able to get rid of that vehicle. And it probably takes anywhere from 30 to 90 days to complete that process if they're lucky. If they're lucky. I guess here's the thing. I mean, right
now with this language, somebody could complain and we'd have to address it today, right? And because we're not making changes to it. So, right. Um, I guess I don't know. It's Yeah, we've got these existing situations here, but it's also in the
future, 20 years down the road, some other business might come in and it might be a different story. So, and it also says that they're not screened from view. So, if they were screened, they could potentially have more than six. That's the other issue when they're impound lot. Is that screened or is that just fence?
Just fence. Just fence. But that would be nothing to throw the slats or whatever. Slats or tarps or whatever. But, you know, that only holds so much too because they've got so much tow equipment that goes in there every night. I mean, I think there's three
rollbacks, tow truck, you know, and then a few, you know, toes that go in there. But, so, basically what we're saying is any parking lot um off- streetet parking area should be screened with six spaces or more. So, this is kind of addressing
any parking lot, you know, depending on where it is. If you count the school, too, right? Well, this is adjacent um uh in residential districts where off streetet parking contain over six spaces may be required to be screened. So, the residential or the school is in the um
public institutional district. So, and then it talks about auto repair shop at no time have more than six disabled vehicles not screened from view. So, the question is do we want to are we opening up a can of worms by trying to
adjust this? I don't know. I mean, it if it hasn't been enforced yet, I'd say that disabled would be if it would have to be on blocks. Yeah. If it's got wheels and, you know, doesn't look like the engine's missing. If it's not visibly disabled, I don't think the standard is to go test it. Yeah.
Or should we just say if it's licensed actively scheduled to be repaired? A lot of those might not have tabs. I mean, well, like I said, they might be repairing all those vehicles there over time. Yeah. meaning they're disabled, but they're, you know, some might run, but it might be something that be fixed.
I mean, I don't know. It's, you know, ultimately if you want to fix the problem, require a fence. That would be the, you know, that's screening it. That would be the ultimate thing. But do we want, you know, I mean, what we could do is take the requirement out, but now we're changing
what's existing right now. Yeah. and then you take it out and what's to say the next person doesn't come in and open an auto shop and then have a junkyard and or somebody sells out one of these businesses and changes or they just start doing different you know business where they're taking more junk cars and
it becomes a junkyard. I mean I'm comfortable leaving the way it the way it is and then can we just say that there's grandfathered situations? Well, no because this is existing language. So they're they're already in violation. They're already in violation.
potentially in violation. Yeah. My opinion is still to leave it as is and just like you say, we're not changing anything. So, I just feel bad if somebody complains and we more or less have to step in and say, "Hey, you guys got a fence in your
whole dang parking lot." Do we have a definition of what a disabled vehicle is? Um, is it like Michael said, is it on blocks or is it expired tabs? expire tab zoning or check quick not currently registered,
right? Yeah. I mean, if it if there was a definition that you could just fall back on and it might solve the problem. I might it might solve that issue. Well, yeah. I mean, it we could put a definition in there, but I think it's going to we're going to just specify
specifically what a disabled deal. I think everyone kind of knows what one is already, so I'd hope so. Yeah. Trying to think here. Can we maybe put like uh an exemption for abandoned toes, you know, or
impounds or like Yeah, abandoned impounds because there is a process for that for to instead of six months give nine nine a year whatever. I mean I it it's all a process because they can
fight in between then you got to start over and then some have leans and then you got to fight with that I don't know you start talking about doing all that I think creating a problem that's not a problem. Well,
right until fixing something that's not an issue, I guess, right? I don't know. It's existing language. It hasn't been an issue so far, but if we weren't even updating this, somebody could make a complaint to tomorrow and that city would have to address it whether we're doing the zoning orders or not. I just don't want to see them get
slapped with having to put up expensive fence all of a sudden when they've been doing it for 50 years. So, I think I think leaving this section five or item five alone is fine, but I do like the idea of adding or amending
whatever definition exists and loosening that to Yeah. specify exactly what we don't want, which is vehicles with holes in them or on blocks or no wheel. I mean, that specify what a disabled vehicle is as being something unsightly. I mean, true. To to the extent that their yard looks
like a parking lot, right? Who cares? We're saying they can get up to six right now like that, right? So, but so actually we're probably okay because none of them I don't think meet that criteria at this point. Yeah. I don't know. I mean there there
might be six out there, but who knows, right? You know, and how do you prove it? You know, you have to go out and start every car up and drive it to check it or I think we could have a pretty we could doawle with that process if the complaint came out. Remember this this section's ult ultimately about outdoor
storage and a lot of that has to do with screening from you know the public's view or residential homes or whatever. So this being a auto or auto repair shop like I said we don't want to have a lot of this out there because this is technically kind of like a highway
business type district you know like a McDonald's that came to town it be could be right next to one of these businesses you know or some sort of you know retail place like that or restaurant. So, okay. Well, I'll check the definition. It's not in the zoning ordinance, so we
don't have one proposed. I don't know if the city code has one in a different section or not, but I'll have to verify that and see what we can come up with and kind of go from there. Okay. All right. Anyways, back to number eight. Um, well, I'll just go to number seven, too,
I guess. So, uh, within the I1 district, now remember, we're talking about adding an I1 industrial district, which would be, you know, potentially like the VMER property or something of that nature. So, semi-tractic trailers used for normal freight and cartage in transit for up to 120 consecutive days per
calendar year. Um, so we are going to allow that in the industrial district, which is pretty typical to have those semi-trailers sitting out an industrial type building, you know, in the back where they bring deliveries with loading docks, stuff like that. So, um, that was added. And then under eight, we're talking in the agricultural district,
the CI commercial industrial district, and the I1 industrial district. And this is what the the three districts were talking about allowing um land sea containers. Now, this has been discussed previously on this is the the zoning
right there that we just talked about is a CI or C1. It's commercial. Um that's I don't have it in there. So, do we want to add that into that district? Because, like I said, that's kind of your highway business district. And one of the proposals that I'm going
to recommend is renaming that to the highway business district because that's truly what that district is. We'll talk about that at the next month's meeting. But my question is, do we want to include that district in there to allow this as well when you could potentially have, you know, new retail or commercial
type businesses coming in? Uh um this type of storage is typically done in more of an industrial type setting, but auto repair is kind of that I don't know, they're typically a conditional use permit in this district. They're they're kind of more of that could go
into industrial, but can also be in in a commercial area. And I think that's why we have the screening requirement because of the potential zoning that could be, you know, for that type of use. So, I don't know. Do you have any thoughts if we want it in that C1 district?
So on our zoning map here, the these pink sections are the C1. Yep. And longterm, you know, if we had development up by Highway 7 and 25 out there, like commercial development, it would be C1 as well. That most likely would be the zoning district that that would go.
I would say we would want it in those districts. You want the storage containers? We would not allow. Would not allow them. Okay. So, I don't have it listed. So, um I just want to make sure um because if you read the next one, it says land C containers shall not be allowed in any residential district, the
C1 or the C2 district or the public institutional. Um and I want to talk about the public institutional because that potentially deals with um the public storage. No, is that public institution or is that CI? Can't
remember now. Uh yeah, that's public works is down here at CI. Okay. Yeah. So then we're not they're okay. All right. So we left that alone. So So yeah. So I we for now we'll keep it out of the C1, I guess. So anything that's existing up there would be potentially grandfathered in on that one
property I know had some for sure. So yeah, 185, I think. Yeah. Yeah, you can see them. Yeah, three of them there or something. Yep. Two. So then Okay. And then then once we determine which districts this will be allowed in um
you know that applicants can submit their application shall be submitted to the city for review under zoning compliance. And we've got a whole list of requirements and a lot of this we've talked about before and a lot of this language is actually kind of drafted previously and then we kind of put on hold till we came to this point. Um but
I'll just kind of go through them real quick so I know there's some discussion. Um the first one is accessory use. This shall not be, you know, shall be an accessory use as an out outside storage. Um, any other outdoor storage of land seed containers is prohibited and they shall not be located on a lot prior to construction or principal structure. So,
we're not going to allow them on a vacant lot where they start packing them in there with no building or no principal business or something of that nature. Number allowed, this shall be more than or there should not be more than three located on a lot. I know there was a lot of discussion on this previously if three was a number, five
is a number, eight is a number. Um, so I kind of just went with what we previously drafted and figured we'd talk about tonight. Uh, land seed containers shall not be permitted to be rented or leased to third parties in storage for storage purposes and shall only be used by the owner or occupant of the lot. So the renter could use one as well. Um,
dimensions 40t in length, 8 and 1/2 ft in width, and 10 feet in height. And they shall not be stacked on top of each other. uh the location uh should only be located in the rear yard of the lot or the sideyard of the lot if it's located in the rear 50% of the lot. So in the
case where you have a a structure sit way back, we want to make sure it's sitting back and in no case shall it be for uh further front than the front of the building. So they they can go up to 50% of the rear yard, you know, halfway up the lot, but if the building sits back, they still have to be behind the
front of the building. Um is what that's basically saying. uh lot coverage uh unless being used on a temporary basis for construction or moving, which sometimes you'll see one of these just on a temporary basis, which is allowed. Um it shall count towards a lot coverage requirement, you
know. So, it's no different than potentially a a structure out there. So, you got to look at that. Uh those districts typically have a higher lot coverage, so it probably not a big issue, but it is something that we need to address. No lettering or sign shall be permitted on the container unless it
contains um on land container as manufactured. Um so if it has like the manufacturer name that's fine. Screening shall meet the screening requirements of the section. Screening of this chapter unless the owner paints the land sea container an earth tone color to complement the principal structure on
the lot. Screening shall be required when the lands container abuts a residential district or public rightway. Um, and we talked about that quite a bit previously as well. And then exterior appearance, it just kind of basically says it's still be in a good condition. You know, it has to be no rust or
anything of that nature. So, basically, this is Yeah, go ahead. What about hazardous material? Uh, hazardous material is addressed through I think a different section of the city code. I don't remember the number off top of my head, but um that would be addressed through that. Okay. So, yeah. So that way
mean do we need to address it in here just because I know it's not in the zoning ordinance to address it but we do have a section of the zoning ordinance let me see if I can just find it real quick here that's already addressing it. Um,
under the current ordinance, this would be uh under performance standards. There's like waste material and stuff of that nature. And then we had we kind of updated that language in there. So that is addressed. It has to meet the Okay. I think if I remember, it meets the Minnesota state statutes for whatever
that section is under state statutes. So it does address that. So we do have regulations and that is a whole separate section other than outside storage and then it addresses the containers then too in that section um saying that if you have a container not to have hazardous well I mean
I would think if there's hazardous materials the MPCA regulations are going to cover it. Yep. But yeah I'm just trying to find I could probably Yeah, we did go through this. Let's see here before I got to find which month it was. I think it was this month.
So yeah, under under the month before you can get back to us. Yeah, I mean we have a we have the language in a different section that we previously went over. Okay. But yeah, wouldn't it wouldn't necessarily be specifically addressed under the al outdoor storage. So
Okay. Um so yeah, I don't know. That's kind of a lot of the stuff we had previously talked about and we kind of went through all that, you know, and there was a few questions and a few back and forth on some of them, but I guess that's what's being proposed. So, if we want something different, now is the time to make a
comment. I guess it seems like we've been talking about this forever, but I just want to trace it back to this all started with these already exist. They're out in the community and our current zoning without them defined in our current
zoning right now, they're already not allowed. No, they they are allowed as outside storage or outdoor storage, but they they currently require screening. They require screening. Correct. Ultimately, what we're doing is setting some conditions, correct, to allow for not screening them
in very specific conditions. Correct. Exactly. So really just we're offering an offer an option in the industrial areas. Why are we screening them from another industrial building, right? That's kind of what we're putting together here. And then we're putting specifics on the number, you know, the color, the siding, you
know, all that sort of stuff where they can be on the lot, that sort of deal. Yeah, it was it was something that was out there, but it wasn't really ever a problem. But and now the people with more than three, correct me if I'm wrong, they are grandfathered. Yeah.
going forward. That's all year long. Yeah. I think there was like three or four properties that currently had them. So get your containers now before November, December. But city could enforce the screening on them though if they got them now. That's what everyone's got to remember. So it's
they're not out prohibited specifically. They can do them. It just has, you know, requirements. 8 foot tall fence around my yard and then put a sea container in the back. No doubt. And a lot of river rocks. And a ton of river rocks. All right. Is there anything else with
that one right now? No, I think I think we've touched everything on that. Okay. And then sign regulations is the next section. This one's fairly lengthy. Uh I'm not proposing a lot of changes. The sign ordinance actually is pretty decent. It has a lot of stuff in there.
Um so anything everything that doesn't have underline is existing text. So I'm not going to read through it all here tonight. Um but we you know the first findings of purpose section severability definition. So, we have definitions have all been moved to the definition section. So, we're kind of really what I'm doing is taking the existing sign
language and just kind of putting it to spots where it should be and putting under one section. Um, there's a couple pages of definitions as you can see. Yeah. Um, then you get to page 12. Um, basically, you know, everything's pretty much existing there. Uh, it talks about describing the applicant's right to
appeal under a certain section. Um the appeal is actually addressed under the uh board of adjustments and appeals section. You know, any applicant has that right. So, we're kind of duplicating that language, but it's already being addressed in the code. So, I'm just making it so it's all doesn't conflict with each other. Under fees, I
just said the established by ordinance I've been putting in there determined annually by the city council through the fee schedule. So, I want to keep that consistent overall. You know, it's just kind of a little simple change. Yep. Um traffic site visibility triangle is on the bottom of page 13. Basically, we have this addressed in another section.
So, I wanted to make sure that we're just being consistent with their language there. Uh, basically, instead of saying site visibility, triangle, we added traffic because that's what the true definition is in the rest of the code. Yes. Real quick, uh, under five, general standards just above that, freestanding, temporary, sandwich board, portable, or
building signs that project encroach into public right away. Do you want that approved by the city council? Um, yeah. Yeah, I guess that doesn't need to be approved by the city council. That could be adjusted to approved by the city and then staff can handle that at a
staff level because that would be like a um you know like in the downtown area you got signs that sometimes projected out. They have to be certain height and all that stuff. So um yeah, we don't need the city council on there. I guess it's just a sign permit. Yeah, I think they just under general sign permit. That one stuck out.
Yeah, I'll just cross out city crossout council there. Our council I meant excuse me. Yeah, irrespective. And then at this next sentence, we got city councils. So, I'll do the same thing there. All right. Um, let's see here.
And we move on to page 14. This is all kind of the existing stuff I did in the tables. Uh, as we get into it, we we're adding that extra, uh, residential district. So, we added that into the table. We also added the, uh, I1 district in there. Um, under signs permit in the agricultural district, uh,
you know, we've got that one in the middle about lots of 10,000 to 20,000 square feet. I don't think there's any lots in the egg district that size. So, I just said anything under, you know, I kind of took it out because them are bigger lots, you know, lot some cases 80 acres. So, um,
so we got that there. Um, John, for the agricultural district, just because we had this not too long ago, the henches sign. Yep. that was 32 square feet in size that we granted a variance for. So I just want to bring up for discussion maximum air sign area of a single sign.
We just recently gave a variance for that. I mean if we want to adjust that upwards we can. I mean it's notes I so I guess notes in here if it's less than 20,000 square feet six feet that's 3x two if you're talking on an
agricultural site. I would recommend 12 on that. So, it's a 4x3 with 24 square feet total. Just in the egg areas, there's much more space. And then for greater than 20,000, since we just approved that variance for
henches, up that to 36 with a maximum of 60. Total area of all signs 60. Yeah. So, then we got to move total area of all signs for the lots under 20,000 to 24. Keep it just 24. There's only one
sign. Then uh sorry uh for the maximum area of a single sign for less than 20 square thousand square feet. Go from 6 to 12 and then from 12 to 24. Oh 6 to 12 and then 12 to 24 doubling those. Okay.
We can do that. Um all right. Uh I think the rest of it's pretty straightforward. And then we got page 15. It just it specifies a bunch of the existing language. Um, yes, another question I had for under K
science permitted commercial, industrial, and public institutional districts. Um, I was thinking about uh down just next to the car wash, you have Butternut Tree with the multiple suites in there and they all have signs
on there. How do we do we want to think about how we want to treat those with sweet breakdowns or Brad Quas's building that where they might want signs a different sign for each one? You mean? Yeah. Yeah. Um so I thought Okay. So if I missed those and those got covered.
Well, yeah. So under the next page we have the master common sign plans required. I don't know if we can address that in that where you know because like on a commercial building has multiple tenants you're each one's going to have a sign. That's kind of a given. I don't think anyone okay addresses that. Um,
so I don't know. I don't believe that affects what we're doing because in the commercial districts we have total signage on the on the property max and area of a single sign, you know, so you could do multiple signs. Okay. That prevents it. Okay. Just want to make sure because they have a total square
footage. I can't, you know, exceed overall. Got it. You typically like to keep them all the same size or whatever it is. So, sounds good. All right. So that's kind of those three sections that we were had to clean up from the previous stuff. Uh then we're talking about the zoning district. So we're into the next section of the code.
This is your zoning districts and map. And to start with I kind of added uh you know the the basically what it is from a you know what the zoning districts are about. So we have a table there that shows all the existing ones. I've kind of adjusted it. We added the R4 and the
um m our i1 and then we've adjusted a couple of names. So like low density, we put a single family because you know we're looking at the R1, R2, R3, R4 districts tonight and the agricultural. And then I also got the uh plan unit development language. And just so you know, the plan development language was
done I want to say like five, six years ago. I think that was all updated at that point. So we're not really adjusting that because that was done recent. It's all a new update. And if you remember back then, I don't know how many you guys were on the I don't think any were on the planning commission back then. Maybe I can't remember, but um
there was actually a PUD overlay and a PUD district which conflicted with each other, but it's like there was two different districts in your code. So, we basically took them, combined everything into one, and made it a true overlay district, which is what we're kind of using with our city right now. And that
that seems to work. So, we didn't really have to do a lot of adjustments on that. But, um so with with the residential districts, the low density becomes a single family, and all we're going to allow in that district is single family homes. The R2 is single two family um
residential district. So this will allow a mixture which we kind of have this district now. Uh that district currently also allows for some of town homes up to four units. We're actually pushing the town homes into the R3 district and we're having a two family and townhouse residential district. And then we have
um a multiple family district which would be like your apartments, senior housing, you know, condos, different things of that nature. So we've got, you know, kind of a little mixture. the R1 R2 you can have in you know single family in both cases they got some different lot sizes and we'll touch on
that shortly here. So official zoning map or basically just updating the zoning map you know language. So what it's titled uh you know when this is all said and done if we add some of these districts we may have to do like a a map amendment to some of these districts on the map actually but we can talk about
that at a later date. Um then interpretation of the zoning district's map. So, this kind of gives some language basically kind of updated some of the stuff here, but we had this in place. Basically, it gives you the uh you know, if you have a a question about what's zoned what, and here's how you
determine it based on, you know, whether it's a budding, a val an alley, a rightway, railroad, different things of that nature. Um, you know, areas under underwater, which is really the only area is the the river, the Crowing River out there. Um, you don't have any lakes or anything of that nature that become,
you know, protected water. Now, as the city expands, you've got what Goose Lake and a few of the lakes out in the outskirts that may eventually 50 years from now be part of the city, but who knows? But for now, we don't have to worry about that. Um, so basically just kind of gives how you interpret all
these boundaries. Uh, the annexation section, which is currently existing as well, basically we're saying upon annexation, um, everything's going to be classified A1, agricultural district. Now obviously uh it'll be subject to that but when land comes in we're going
to kind of know what they're looking to do with it for the most part or you know is it going to be an existing residential property that just needs their septics failing they need to hook up so the annex we may zone that R1 right with the annexation or something like that or we know the developers coming in so when the annexation's approved we're going to actually zone it
to what their proposal is. So there might be some ability to do that during the annexation but on a typical annexation it goes to A1 then it can adjust the resone at a later date that would follow what our comp plan addresses. So we have a land use plan um you know our low density medium density
and high density and our residential. Some of these districts can fall into different categories potentially. So we'll have to address that individually on each specific property but for now we'll just start with the A1 and kind of go from there. So that gives the city the most stability. you know, the A1 district is the first district we're
talking about here. Um, basically the the one thing I want to do with every district uh to keep it consistent is we're going to have a purpose and you know which used to be called intent. Then we're going to have permitted uses, permitted accessory uses, conditional uses, interm uses, uses, and uses by
administrative permit. So, every district will now have those specific categories. Right now, some districts have them, some districts don't. It's not consistent all the way through. In some cases, we don't have interm uses in a specific zoning district. So, we'll just keep it there and say none at this
time. And down the road, if something comes up where we need to add it with a text amendment, we can add it at that point. But that section does exist for that to work in. So, basically, the purpose of the a1 district is to recognize the existing agricultural use or the land um of the land. And I should
that's a typo actually of the land and provide for an orderly means whereby lands in the city can be preserved in an undeveloped state until development at urban densities with public sewer and water as uses defined in by the city's comprehensive plan. So it kind of acts as almost like a some people call a
transition zone but you can have egg land that the current use is and when they're ready to develop and they sell the property that would then get reszoned to R1 you know R whatever commercial or whatever it ends up being. So, so is all my stuff grandfather um in the city? You mean the stuff in
the city or outside the city? I guess the city is now looking my egg into residential and township. Matter of fact, well, we don't control your land that's outside the city because it's not under our zoning jurisdiction.
That's what I thought. So, uh, Philip with your DNR easement. I had 48 acre piece that u ement is 40 acres of 48 acres of my land and then it went and
got changed to non agricultural or nonres nonh homestead. Is that on the stuff in the city or outside the city? I just got the notice on my tax statement. It's in Hollywood Township. Okay. Yeah, it's part of the reason why I'm here. And it got it the value shoots
up to 900,000. So, uh, all of a sudden, my remaining seven acres of land that I have is worth what? 125,000 bucks an acre, which you know what this is pretty cool because if you guys want to put in like a golf course or something, I guess
now you've set the set the uh price tag. But if it's in Hollywood Township, we have no control. Well, okay. So then um so the initiated um easement from your splash pad, Nick,
uh how did that wind up on my property up there? So worth 40 acres of So tonight's meeting is not for a public back and forth. Uh we're specifically here, but I guess we could talk about that later.
No, it's not on the agenda. So tonight we're talking about the proposed updates to the zoning ordinance, not a litany of back and forth water cooler session with members of the public. Yeah. So the zoning ordinance is only for properties within the city or the annexation area on the east northeast
side of town, which we have an agreement with that township for zoning control over about 10 properties. So, quick touchback on if there was something done on the area north of city limits, which is where your property is, that would have to be either Hollywood or the
county initiated something. Yeah. Nothing to do with the city there. No, they they didn't do anything. Kind of called my easement land that you guys wound up with.
I don't know if you guys are aware, but way back when when the fire treatment plan was put in. The city failed to get a survey. So they thought that they owned all the way to the river and Benny Quas who was able
county on board with it. So part of the settlement after they lost and had to pay damages uh the city rather than just buy the land they gave Benny all the uh ement land along the road and along the
rail line. So the city doesn't own any of that. Okay. So that really doesn't pertain to anything we're talking about on the agenda. Uh well it does because your map's gone. Uh so the map's not on the agenda. We're talking about specific sections of a proposed ordinance that are coming up.
I apologize. Okay. Um so then back to the agricultural district. So we got the permitted use. We're on the top of page 18. The permitted uses. Uh basically, you know, we've got a bunch of them that are existing. Single family homes are allowed in there. You know, we kind of adjusted like, you know, the public
parks, added trails, playgrounds, things of that nature. Um so basically adjusted that. We have permanent accessory uses and we have some of them that are being taken out but we kind of updated this and this is going to be consistent all the way through every district. So we have the same language address when it's
the same thing. We don't want you know one says solar energy system and then someone will say you know something else and it's just different across. So we want to be consistent throughout. That's what we're doing there. So if you see anything under these uses like the daycare facilities, fences, roadside, you know, all this stuff that that you
want to add or you don't want or you want to take out, you know, we need to know that. Uh conditional uses, you got the wind energy conser uh conversion systems mounted on a tower. That' be like your, you know, windmill type stuff. And there's a section in the code addressing that, you know, specifics on height and all that sort of stuff that's
existing already at this point. So So we need to put that stuff in here. Um, and then farm buildings for keeping animals. That's obviously a conditional use permit. We want to talk about that if uh, you know, because there's very little land that's agricultural right now within the city itself. Um, but we
do have control over some of that township land up in the northeast part of the town there. So, um, interimm uses is another one. The only one we really have on that for the egg district is landfilling or landex grading. This includes like mining. So, if somebody wanted to put in a gravel pit or something, let's say, you have
the ability to do that in that egg district, which is pretty common for most cities. Gravel pits are an interimm use because ultimately when the gravel's gone, they fill it over, they reclaim it. And I know a lot of areas like Apple Valley, uh, Rosemont area, they got a lot of gravel pits. A lot of those are
being finished up now, and they're starting to develop them over. And there's massive developments going on. These old gravel pits have been mined for 50 years, and now it's becoming development because the gravel's all used up. So, so that's kind of why it's an interimm use. Uh, the administrative permit, uh, this is something that we
added early on when we went through the, um, initial stuff in the ordinance under the, uh, uh, administration enforcement. So, we added administrative permits. This is like when there's a permit that comes in that doesn't come to planning commission or it's not a conditional use or permitted use. Staff can approve it
and review it and approve the type of permit without having to do, you know, a bunch of extra steps. So in this case for instance in this district we're doing like essential services. Essential services if you look at the definition um is basically your phone, cable,
electric, gas, things of that nature. So we can get approval if a new development comes in. They have to put that in once the streets are built. You know, we have the ability just to address that um individually here at city hall without having to go through a planning commissioner council to deal with that. So a city engineer most likely would
look at the designs and things of that nature. Um, and then we got the lots and requirements section. So, this will be in every district as well. And we kind of to keep everything consistent again. So, basically, uh, the the stuff we have
right now is currently I just got a print of it. It's currently in a table. So, if you look in each district, you don't see what the setbacks are. You don't see what the lot sizes are. So, I'm going to put it in each section. So, there's an actual section there that we can address. So, if you're looking at
the A1 and you don't know about this table in the code, you're like, well, what's the lot sizes? So, we can still add if you feel like we want to have a table at the end of this just for somebody to reference every district. So, we can put that together. Yeah. Can we have it at the front? We could do it at the front as well. Either way,
when I go look at code, I'm us at least us as staff, we go right to that. Yep. We reference that all the time just as a quick reference chart. Yep. Would you be able to put the map of the city then like in the in the zoning district itself?
Yeah. I mean it's not going to be in the code but there is a map that would be potentially online correlate with it. Okay. Yeah. That would correlate with I mean the zoning map that's existing is online and Okay. That's what I mean like for our next zoning. I know we're talking about
districts and stuff. If we can have that map in there so we have a reference. I know you're going to have it up there but be nice to have it in the packet too. Oh, gotcha. Yep. Oh, yeah. Okay. The mat that we're talking about. Yep. All right. So, then with this uh
district, we're not really adjusting much. You know, we're kind of keeping, you know, it shows them underlined, but they are in the table at this at this requirement right now. Um the only thing that we looked at adjusting was accessory buildings. Right now, I think we're at 17 feet, and we've had a couple
amen or variances for, you know, a little bit higher. So we did adjust it upwards to 20 and I think we've had like a handful in the last few years to be honest with you for detached garages exceeding 17 feet. So So that's the only thing that was adjusted accordingly was the accessory building
on those accessory buildings. Ryan, quick question for you as a contractor. Uh for detached garages that would want to house an RV, what sort of building height on those are we typically looking at?
12 foot door and then plus the uh you know if you have a you have a minimum of five pitch for your roof and you need to probably depending how long it is at least a 40 or 50 foot building lengthwise height height well that's what I'm getting at
I'm just so you're pushing the 20 feet I mean it's probably going to be more like 25 30 feet I mean I can measure measure where I'm at and I could get back to you. And this is for the egg district. So we, you know, this is, you know, out in a farmstead or, you know, property out in
the country. If we want to go a little higher, this would be the place to do it in my mind. Yeah. Because your normal walls are 16 foot tall for egg pole barns. Then you got another 10 feet. I mean, you're looking at 20 30 feet minimum probably. And remember, egg buildings
related to farming activities. We have a 50 foot minimum because that could be a big barn or a silo or or whatever. But these would be just a typical accessory building like a detached garage or Yeah. I apologize. I'm jumping the gun. I'm starting to think of R1 here.
20 is probably good for R1. Yeah. Like we just had the variance request for that stick build. Yep. But I mean, you don't have too many lots in town that are able to hold the building like that
either. No, that's what two, three, five acres. What is that up there? It's probably two and a half at least, probably on the bigger side. Yeah. So, I just want to make sure we brought out since we've had a variance or two on it.
I think you'd be fine with 20 and then if they call for a variance, we'll deal with it. Okay, that's in the residential. What about the egg district though? 50. Fine. There are 20 as well. Okay. Okay. We'll leave that. All right. The next
district's the R1 and we're changing this to a single family district. Um so basically the R1 uh the purpose is uh you know pretty much what we're leaving alone is to provide an option for low density single family detach residential
dwelling units and directly related complimentary uses. you know, which would be like your detached garage, things of that nature. Uh, permitted uses were basically, you know, parks, trails, uh, single family, detached dwelling units, and then a residential facility serving six or fewer people
single family. This is through state statute that we're required to do that. So, um, that's going to be in there as well. We got your permanent accessory uses, and these are typical uses you'll find in in an R1 district. Um, conditional would be religious institutions. uh this would be like a
church or something of that nature. So, a lot of times those are located in residential areas. So, we do allow that as a conditional use. Uh if they came in as a conditional use, we do have the extra set set uh setback that's listed in there, which would be the same as the front yard at 30 ft. Um there's also
uh lot coverage things and stuff of that nature they have to deal with. They have to deal with parking. So, they have to have a lot big enough to potentially do it. So, that is something that can be done. No interterm uses at this time. doesn't mean something couldn't be added in the future. The administrative permit, model homes, uh essential
services, and then temporary structures, um as related to that section that we've already kind of gone through. Model home would be like in a newer development. Sometimes they'll put a model home up and it's uh set up separately um differently I should say as you know typical home and a lot of times it's
converted into a house once the sales in that neighborhood are done. If you go back years ago, the Fieldstone neighborhood had the model home up on Highway 7 um in that building. You know, that kind of would address that, too. So, they had their sales center up there, but they were building it further south in town, but ultimately that whole
area was part of that original development and obviously didn't all fully develop. But, um lot requirements. So, right now, our R1 district is 10,000 square feet, 85 ft wide. Um I've gone down to or went to
10,500. We're actually enlarging it, but the reason we're doing that is our R2 is going to allow for some smaller lots. So, in newer neighborhoods, there's kind of going to be an option. Do they want R1, R2? U, we can have a zoning, you know, our zoning map shows certain things right now, but it gives the
ability to potentially adjust that. Uh, we also add a lot uh area for corner lots, which would be a little bit bigger. Lot width is at 80 feet. So, I actually dropped that down five from 85. Ever since the zoning has gone in the R1 to 85 feet, the city has never done one 85 foot lot under that district.
Everything that's been done has gone back to the old number of 75 feet um which have been like um Cold Water Crossing, Hidden Creek, uh those areas. So there's never actually been an 85 foot lot developed under the current zoning that's there right now. So to me
that you know in the re in the development world for residential lot sizes are getting smaller and narrower um just based on infrastructure costs and trying to keep things affordable. So, uh, lot width on a quarter 95. The
front setback's 30, which is current. Uh, side setbacks 10, which is the current number. And then, um, sidey yard on a corner lot is 25 ft. Rear yard's 30. Lot coverage 35% and the height, um, I went to the 20 feet there. So, does
anyone have any thoughts on the district sizes or I should say lot sizes in the R1 district? We're a little bit bigger on the square footage, but a little bit smaller on the width. And realistically, when you're 85 feet, 10,000 square feet, your depth ends up being wider anyways.
Typically, an 85 foot lot's more like a a 12,000 or 11,000 square foot lot. So, um, I guess the question is made, do we want to go even, you know, are we fine with 75 for the R1 because that's what cold water crossing and and Hidden Creek
is. What's everything going to come in at 75 anyway and we're going to have to approve it at that point or I mean if somebody comes in with a and they want to do straight zoning they have to either meet these requirements or they have to go through a plan unit development. The planning development
gives the ability to the city to potentially request additional things such as landscaping trees, um more park land, preserve, you know, that like little area, um exterior requirements on the house, you know, extra stone, brick,
whatever. You know, I'm not personally, I mean, it's all nice, but I don't like cities doing too much on the house side. You see it with town homes and stuff like that, but the single family, you know, it's I don't know. It's it's everyone's opinion. I guess. But, um, I
don't know. It's up to you guys what you want to do, I guess, and how you want to go with the sizes with the with the developments you're already talking about that we've got that are 75 foot yachts. Is there or yards? Is there any concession that we got out of there that was worth the So, when both of those went through,
um, if you remember right, they were already graded out. So, we are basically going back to the the plan that was approved that had expired over time. And in both cases, lots went to the bank, went to the sellers. Those sellers then sold the lot or the bank sold the lot to
the new developer. They came in and basically want to do exactly what was there previously, which made sense at the time because it was in most cases it was already graded. You know, why are we trying to recreate something? It was the whole neighborhood was already designed that way. So, let's just keep the balance. You know, it's the last few
phases. Obviously, Cold Water Crossing has additional phases still to come. But in Hidden Creek's case, I think they did two or three more phases. if I remember right. And why change the lot size in the neighborhood when the rest of the neighborhood already had that size? So, so there wasn't a ton on concessions
that the city asked for because of that. So, um All right. Well, maybe I'll just talk about the R2 uh real quick. The purpose of this is to provide for low to medium density. This allows for like your twin homes. So really the uh um one thing
we're adding to the R2 is another type of unit which is a townhouse detached only. And what this is is really common product nowadays. Some people call them villa homes or patio homes. It's a it's a single family detached structure but
it's designed like a town home where you potentially have common area around the t the units which gets maintained and owned by a homeowners association. So it's a townhouse typically comes in and that's the case. they'll have their homeowners. These are done the same way and it's a very one of the more popular
type of housing that's out there nowadays. Yes. Is it kind of like the ones off of 11 and seven there um by M new Macintoons? Those ones that are on the front on the seven on the north side there? No, I think these are more like the ones by target
and the villas up in Fieldstone on Cinnamon Point. Yes. Oh, okay. Ones in the Target ones by Naconia. That's exactly what this is. Okay. So, the ones up Cinnamon Point, I'm not sure what their town, you know, they don't have common area on the lots lot, but okay.
It was originally supposed to be though, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was. So, it's Yeah, that's that's what we're talking about here. So, you know, to talk about that, we and I'll get into the language here in a second, but where was I? I losing my spot. Um, okay, here we go. So, we
got single family detached, town homes, uh, detached, then two family dwellings, which would be like a twin home. So, that would be allowed in the R2. So, it gives additional density which can allow the developer to actually, you know, get some at, you know, smaller lots, things like that. Um, the permitted accessory
uses, conditional uses, and all that stuff is pretty much the same as the R1. But then the lot requirements, we have a lot area of 8,400 square ft. And we have setbacks. And by the way, going back to the R1, at 80 feet with 10 foot setbacks, that allows for a 60 foot wide
building pad. This one is 65 feet wide with seven and a half foot sideyard setbacks. Allows for a 50- foot building pad. A 50- foot building pad you can still do a typical single family house with a threecar garage. Um it's pretty common uh size out there. Um so you can
do it just a smaller lot allows for that. Um lot corners and all that has different things. The you know lot width, you know, the setbacks are all a little bit less as well. So we're going with the front instead of being 30, it's 25. The sides are sort of being 10 or 7 and a half. Um, side yard instead of
being 25. Adjacent streets, 20 and the rear we're keeping at 30. Lot coverage actually bumps up because the lot gets a little bit smaller. So, we're going to bump this up to 40%. And then the maximum building height stuff stays the same. And then detached uh townhouse and two family dwellings. Uh, this is where
we talk about unit lots and then base lot. So, you have the base lot is kind of your overall footprint um on that block. Your unit lot is the actual little square box that goes around the structure itself. So, a lot of times the homeowners own just the little square
box. The association owns the base lot around it. And a lot of sometimes the association allows the p like a concrete patio in the rear to encroach into it. Sometimes they don't. Typically, you want to keep everything the structure owns. Yeah. Right there. There you go.
So, um that neighborhood was kind of designed that way. You got these little units with the common area around it. So, what we're doing is we're actually putting language into this district to allow for that type of development to happen without having to go through the plan unit development. So, um it has those requirements in there. So, it
talks about what those requirements are. You got base lot setbacks, all that sort of thing. Building setbacks. Um you know, this is like internally uh on a detached town home. We're basically saying, you know, if you have individual squares for each unit, we want to keep
14 feet between the buildings. That would be a seven and a seven. You know, the typical single family seven and a half. So, we're very similar to that. Um, those base lot sizes on a on a design like this, we're not technically putting a minimum on there. So, if they
have a plan that comes in and it's, you know, if this is what we want to do, the city has the ability to approve it that way and we don't have to deal with all the planning development. That's the one thing. Planetary developments are a good tool, but you don't you want to have donating districts that actually allow for housing that developers want to build. So, this kind of gives that
option. Section three then talks about the common area and the ownership and the association and all that that goes along with it. Um, so basically it talks about, you know, the ownership within the R2. It's either under the common interest community or a detached
townhouse and two family base lot. Common areas shall be owned by the owners of each lot unit. So basically you know the common area is that association and it kind of addresses that and then we have some specific setbacks on
trying to think here I think we have a oh I'm looking at the wrong page sorry going to page 20 I was looking at page 20 I was like this is confusing um but it talks about the architectural modifications uh development density so then What limits the size is the development
density. So we're saying in a detached townhouse or a two family dwelling, they have to have 5,000 square feet per unit. So it's not like they can put them down to like 22 feet wide by 40t deep and that's all they want. They have to still have a minimum amount of size per their
lot. So that's kind of the artificial weight of restricting how low they can really go. So if they don't have that 5,000 square feet, they can't allow it. City has to approve that. Um, and it has to be bigger than that. So now that's kind of the R2 district. As we get into
R3, this is where we have town homes attached, which is like a typical town home unit, and a town home detached, which now we have definitions that are in the code, which we previously went over. Um, that address those types of things. And in the R3, we're you know,
we won't allow single family now because this is getting to be more of a two family townhouse development. Single family is R1, R2. Twin homes are R2, R3. town homes are um detached are R2, R3, attached are the R3 um as well, but we'll also allow those town homes
detached when they have the common area. So, it does allow for a mixture of housing types in that district. Uh town houses up to six units in a row or eight units back to back. Um I want to bring that up because as we get into the R4 district, we're going to allow town houses in that, but we can go up to 12
units back to back. I think it's was it eight in a row? So, we can allow a bigger building at that time. So, we're kind of gradually ramping up the intensity or the density as we go up into districts here. So, um basically, uh the other thing we want to put in
there in the uh R3 district is, um not more than one or more than one principal building on a base lot, and I don't think we had that on the uh other one because they're all kind of individual um with that, but on a base lot, you know, you've got that you got like what is that six buildings around that base
lot. So, that's kind of what this is allowing um that we're kind of doing it that way. And also, when you get into apartments, sometimes they'll have multiple buildings on one lot out there. It's a rental, you know, complex. So, we don't have specific lot for each building. And in those cases, a lot of
times you have one set of services going into the building and it services the entire building. A lot of times on town homes or in this case, they have two sets of services, one for each side of the townhouse or the twin home. Same with a six-unit building. They'll have a set of services in each individual structure so that owner can take
ownership of it and then have their own water sewer bills, their own electric service, their own stuff where you get in the big apartments. That's all usually done on one time and it's just part of the overall monthly rent rent uh that goes with that unit. So, um so R3, that's kind of what we're dealing with here is a little bit higher. Now, we've
also jumped up the residential facilities to 16 units or fewer because it's more of a higher density type uh designation. Um once again the permitted accessory uses, conditional uses, um stuff like that is all pretty much the same. The thing we are adding here um in
the conditional is uh uh manufactured home parks um which is something that it's not common out there, but there are a few. I know Mano's had or actually I think North Mano's had a couple of them in recent years. Um and we have a whole manufactured home park section that'll
address the details of what you have to do on that. So, um, these used to be called mobile home parks where, but right now it's called manufactured home. Um, so there's specifics on that. That's where you don't own the the lot itself, but you own the structure. Um, so that's
not saying it's never going to happen, but the odds of it happen are pretty little are pretty slim. And you know, MH, manufactured home park overlay district of this chapter. So, we have a whole chapter that I guess we'll get into tonight. Now, first of all, before we go down that road, what's your opinion on allowing that? I guess
only be allowed in these certain zoning districts, the R3 and the R4. No. Nope. All right. Can we flat out not allowed? You can take them out. I wanted to add it for discussion because it is something that that most cities have as an option. So,
I'm good. Okay. Well, I think that saves time before I go into all the detail. I guess we'll take that out. Quickest decision you'll get on it. We say yes. Yeah, everyone's on the same page there, I guess. So, see how much trouble they can bring.
Most cities that have these already have an existing one in the city. So, that's kind of why they address that. And in Mayor's case, we don't. So, all right. Um, so that's that. Uh, all right. Where were we here? Uh,
interm uses, administrative permit uses, that's kind of the same. Then the lot requirements and setbacks. So, this is a whole section here that's kind of similar to the R2 district. Um, we don't have specific lot sizes because in a lot of cases you're dealing with this. There
really is no you got to have a certain acreage. It just is kind of based on the design because those base lots are kind of separate from the rest of it. Um, but we got unit lots and the base lots and we got specific setbacks on that. Uh, building setbacks, detached town and two
family 14t between the structures again. uh townhouse we're putting 20 feet between the structures. So if you have a row town home, a six-unit one, you have to have 20 ft and another sixunit building, you could do that. Now they can go down to, you know, a lot of times if they only have enough room for a four or three, they might do that on those ro
town homes as well, but we're allowing them up to six. Um, do you have any preference on allowing more more of that? Like we are on the R4. I mean, it's really no right or wrong, I guess, but it's just trying to kind of gradually increase the density. Okay, we'll stay
with what we got. um building setback. Uh now remember in some of these cases you could have private drives too. So yeah, in this case it's a public street. So you have your setbacks that are typical for a public street. Uh in the private street section typically that allows you to kind of squeeze things
because in a public street you have your street which is typically a 32 foot wide street back to back from the curb and your public rightway is 60 feet. So you have these boulevards which is where you know the services are electric gas things like that. Um on a private street typically you do the set back right from
the curb to the structure allows for additional density to do the private street. So what we're saying is um buildings shall be set back a minimum of 25 ft from the back of curb line of private drives or 25 feet from the public rightway and 15 feet from guest
parking area. A lot of times, um, there's none here, but a lot of times in a town home development, um, sometimes they have a smaller garage, things like that. They'll put a little area where they put guest parking. You know, there might be six stalls here, seven stalls over there. So, we want to have setbacks. So, these structures right up
are are right are are right not up against those parking areas, so they have room for snow storage and things like that. Um, and also 25 feet from the rightway means their driveway is going to be 25 ft plus whatever that boulevard is. So, you might have a 40 foot driveway. Let's say if you're 25 ft from
behind curb, you basically just got the 20 foot five foot driveway, which allows for a big truck to park in there and that'd be about it on on that driveway surface. So, um, maximum building height 35 ft or three stories, whichever is less. Same with the accessory
structures. Again, that hasn't really changed at all through this. We're going to keep that the same through all the residential stuff. Uh, the common area language, this is basically the same as the previous district. Um, so we're not going to um touch on that anymore, but the language hasn't really adjusted. Uh,
the de development density, we'll keep the detached townhouse and two families at 5,000. And then townhouse dwellings, and I should put attached in there. Um, that's at 3,800 square ft uh per unit.
That gives you a lot a little bit more density. Typically a town home development, you're going to be able to get more units, you know, packed in there than say a two family or these uh detached town homes. Um like I said, these numbers, the 5,000 to 3,800 doesn't have to be that. It's pretty
common number. I've seen in quite a few other communities. You know, some cities I've seen 65 up to 6,500 before for twin homes and I've seen less than 3,800 for town homes. So, it just, you know, like I said, it's kind of just the right feel for where you're at. And this, you know, allows for some
development, you know, some density if somebody want to do that type of neighborhood. And um a big thing now is these types of units from affordability standpoint. There's people going to that. Um the one I'm seeing is the single family detached town home and they're they're trying to really get price point on there. So doing slab on
grade twotory single family homes and then these small little narrow lots and they're actually competing with town home neighborhoods. Um, and in some cases they don't have associations if they're do us in the straight lot, but we have restrictions on that I guess too. We could do that through a plan unit development, which is what most
communities allow. So, um, then design and construction standards. So, on twin homes and single family, we're not going to be too picky about, like I talked about this earlier, about what's going to be on the exterior of the structure. As we start getting into town houses, I think the city does
want to have some, you know, ability to address that through their approval. So uh basically we have some you know general requirements without getting too crazy on this. Um you know basically the detached townhouse and two families plan into a unit and base and townhouse
dwellings they sh single family are exempt from requirement of this section. Um basically subdivision requests and floor plan shall be furnished to the city for the review. This shall include exterior building material and colors to demonstrate compliance with the current
code. um decks and porches um shall be made possible that they are part of the initial dwelling uh unit uh building plans and the unit lot shall be configured in size to include the decks or porches. So I kind of mentioned this before and you can see some of the concrete patios encroach outside the lot
area. Um, what we're saying is when you design this, we want to make sure that you oversize that lot to include, you know, typically a 10 or 12 foot concrete patio. Include that in the lot because that is private, you know, part of that private ownership of that structure. People will have patio furniture and
things like that on there. You don't necessarily have to do that, but just to include it is the right thing to do. So, most of these would have room to extend them lot lines another 10 feet to include that. So, just everyone be aware of that. um exterior billing finish. Uh basically
just include that. It needs to be um a variation of building materials which is distributed throughout the building elevations. Uh basically this could be you know board and batten above the garage, some brick or stone on the you know if you have a porch column or something of that nature, different things like that. So you want to have all vinyl all the way around the tire
structure. We want to just mix up especially on the front elevation. So, uh, garages, um, each shall include, uh, each dwelling unit shall include an attached garage. And then we kind of got the size standards for dwellings with, uh, basement, 440 ft. For without
basement, 480 ft. Uh, the reason we did that a little bit bigger without basement is because, you know, if you got people that typically need storage space, if you're losing that extra level of floor area, you're going to lose some storage area. So, we want to go with a little bit bigger garage. I don't know if anyone has any opinions on that or
not, but um that would be like your slab on grade would just be a little bit bigger structure. So, or a little bigger garage, I should say. Uh shall be a minimum of 20 feet in width measured by interior dimensions. 20 feet in width would be a typical twocar garage. Um you know, sometimes they'll be 22 or 24
wide, but 20 you can get two small cars in a garage like that. That typically would be uh for, you know, town homes. Uh the question I have is some town homes now you're seeing a one-stall garage. Do you have any opinions on allowing a one- stall garage? No. No.
Okay, we'll leave it what we got then. Um outside storage shall only be allowed in a designated area which are screened in accordance with uh the outside storage of this chapter. Um so basically if somebody's in an area, you know, if they got a a property like you see on
the screen, they want to put something outside, we want to make sure it's screened accordingly. um you know based on what the al outdoor storage uh regulations are. So just so that's addressed. Um utilities serving an R3 district subdivision including telephone, electric, gas, cable uh shall be
installed underground. Um each exterior uh utility meters and fixture shall be located on the side of rear yards and possible. Um public utility service uh shall be provided to each unit unless exempted by the city. So basically uh
when we say exempt that we want every unit to have their own services. That's typically how you do it. Water, sewer, and private utilities. There are cases where I've seen rental structures like a four-unit building and they put one set of services into the entire structure and they only need one set of me meters.
That's a true rental unit that's done typically on one lot. You don't subdivide each of the individual units. So if it's done that way, they can do that through a plan unit development and we could potentially exempt that as part of that process. But other than that, we are going to require individual, which is typically the way most of this stuff
is built. So um and then you get into that other deal, you potentially have condominium type things that come into play, but we won't go down that road tonight if that does come up. So uh where are we here? Uh streets or water sewer connection. Um
that'll be individual to each unit. uh streets shall be public and shall comply with design center of city specs except that a required rightaway may be reduced to 50 feet and the required street width reduced to 28 feet back to back by conditional use permit. Do we want to
allow that or do we just want to keep it? I know in a PUB that's typically addressed a lot of times they'll ask for a 50 foot rightway versus a 60 um to help with density and obviously you know
being in the seven county metro the mech council does have some has jurisdiction out here mech council is very big on density in today's world uh they probably don't see it as much out here but there are developers that are doing single family neighborhoods and they are literally denying them right now because they can't get the three units an acre
with their single family lots. So be aware that Met Council's really been cracking down on that. And they're going to higher density in the next comp plan go around. Just so you know, it's going to be three and a half units an acre versus three, which it is now. So,
so I don't know if you guys want this, we can keep it. If we not, we can take it out and just deal with it through a PUD. I guess this gives the ability in the R3 district to potentially allow for some of this without having to go through the plan development. But if the city wants plenty of development on this, we can do that
because they can't make it work with the normal street widths. You're saying on the side? It's It's not that they can't make it with with normal ones. It's about um density density density getting more units and it's all about cost effectiveness. Um, if you if
you can get an extra 10 or 15 units by going a little bit narrow on your streets and doing some of this stuff, that's for a developer, that's all. That might be enough between make or break on the project. So, um, if the city wants to keep it through a PUD, we'll just
take this language out. I don't know. Some cities are hardline on that and they never will budge. Some cities will allow all sorts of things. I mean, I've seen streets where you got a 50 foot rightway tying to another development on a 60. There's no rhyme or reason what
they're doing, but they're doing it. So, I would say we need to stay consistent. But that's what I would say. I mean, let's be honest, drive through the neighborhoods already and how many people don't park on the streets and you narrow that road,
fire trucks already barely can get through and blow trucks. and plow trucks a lot of time 28 ft it's one side parking too now that makes a difference if they actually listen to the one side parking I don't know I say stay consistent
I agree I agree we can take it out and then we'll just deal with it during planning development if they you know I think you will come up I do I do think you might see that that there might be some requests to go with the rightway with especially on like culde-sacs which I tend to agree a
culde-sac back the the not the bubble itself but the neck where you know the street to through the bubble there's really no need to have that at 60 feet in a lot of cases on culde-sac it's limited sometimes only five houses six houses on there so you know it does give a little extra room in some cases for yards and people that do things with
their house and stuff but yeah I think as far as street sizing it depend how it's servicing whatever it's going to yep if it's going through an area to get to another area you're going to want a wider street but if it's like a little side street or a little loop for something in the neighborhood.
But if it just goes to Morning Drive, for example, and those are the only ones it's going to service, then I could see allowing a narrower street, right? Providing they're also showing it off streetet some ways to compensate for the lack of on street.
Yeah. One thing I always say too is uh when you're dealing with streets, you know, eventually the developer puts them in, but eventually the city will have to maintain that, which means seal coating 30, 40, 50 years down the road, reconstruction, and the bigger the street, the more cost effect is going to
be. You know, one thing that the city of Bell Plane, I don't know if you're familiar with this, they prided themselves when they did their original downtown area plat ago, whatever it was, everything they did was an 80 foot wide street with like a 40 foot wide or 80 foot wide right with 40 foot wide street. Typical is 60
and 32. And when they go and reconstruct, their costs are so they want to keep it because that's just their thing, but they don't realize how much additional cost is involved with that extra 8t of pavement and all that extra width on that street. So, it's a lot of cost.
So, so I'm just saying city's always got to remember there is a maintenance thing down the road, too. But, all right. Um, so drives. So, this is kind of like in a townhouse development. Uh if you got a deadend private drive certain in maximum one structure or six units per side, you know, like a lot of
times you'll have like a public street and they put little stub like they're curved but they're little like a private drive part of the association. We're just saying you can only do the 16, you know, we don't want to have it like a super long street with all these units down there for fire protection and things like that, emergency services. So
we're limiting that. Um private drives under the control and ownership of the property owners association shall be responsible for maintenance repair. um shall put a capital improvement program in place so they have money available for that down the road. Uh we don't want to have the city have to come in and and help fund things if the streets are
falling apart. Uh that is something that happened in the years past. Nowadays with the the requirements up front typically it's pretty good at getting this stuff into play. Um must include areas for snow storage and Shelby a minimum of 24 feet wide. these
private drives um which aren't it's kind of like a a souped-up driveway that serves multiple units. 24 feet is enough for two cars to go one way, but it doesn't allow for parking. So, people will back out of their say garage onto the private drive, then go out to the main road off that private drive. And
these are very common. You see them pretty much in townhouse developments everywhere. So, um guest parking, this is what we kind of t touched on briefly. Uh one half's guest parking space uh per unit. So if you have 50 town homes in the project, you got to have 25 guest
parking sta spaces throughout that. And this is typically done because a lot of times town homes are done in private roads where they have a smaller driveway, not as much parking if it's a if it's the private drive we just talked about. So you can't park on the street. So you have limited parking availability. Now you'll have enough for
the individual homeowner and their vehicles, but if they have a party and they want to invite, you know, 10 families over, where are those people going to park? This guest parking is what that's for. So this will be spread out. It's not all one big lot. It's kind of spread out. You try to do it three, four spots here, three, four spots there, and just spread it out throughout
the development. Uh the half this requirement, by the way, almost every city I know of has this as a requirement, that half stall per unit. So, um and then design and location of off- streetet parking. We're talking about that 15oot setback again, which we kind of keeping that consistent through
there. Then we got some landscaping screening requirements. Um, basically we're going to require some buffer yard boulevard Shelby sided screen designated outdoor storage areas. Um, basically we, you know, we want some specific requirements, you know, for
these types of neighborhoods. You know, they're a little bit higher density. So, if you got town homes backing up to say a single family neighborhood, we want to give a little bit of screening some of those areas. Um, screen public right away and things like that. uh sided areas, you know, in ground irrigation
with an automated controller. Then the R4 district is the last one. Uh basically this is the high density district, apartments, senior housing, stuff of that nature. So you look at the permitted uses. We have multiple family dwelling structures. That is basically
um your apartment building or or whatever. Uh you got your parks, your residential facilities, we have them. senior housing, nursing homes, you know, those are these are all definitions that we've already had in the the definition section. Then townhouse is up to six units in a row or 12 units back to back.
I was thinking it was eight, but I did maybe we want to bump that up to eight because it's a higher density because we are going from eight to 12 units on the back to back structure. Yep. Okay. You don't see a lot of eight units, but there are some out there here and there.
So, um, on the roll, I should say, in the roll housing, that's that's where you got to walk out in the back in the entry in the front. The back to back, you sometimes if you're an interior unit, your only access is in the front of the house, through the garage or the front door. Uh, permanent accessory stuff.
This is all basically the same as what it is before. We do allow for private garages and off- street parking and off- street loading for multiple family dwellings. So, if you have a a big, you know, senior housing, you have to have, you know, or if it's a nursing home type of facility where they have to have they
serve meals and stuff. Um, they'll bring a truck in for deliveries for food or whatever. So, you want the off streetet parking, off street loading, stuff of that nature. Sometimes you'll see them, they'll do a separate a garage, like a garage where the people get a unit, you know, like 10, you know, units in a row. So, that's allowed as well. Uh
conditional uses um basically the same uh as what we talked about before. The manufactured home park, we already said we're going to take that stuff out. Uh interm uses, there's none. Again, uses by administrative permit is the same as what the other ones were. And now we got the lot requirements and the
common area stuff very similar what we did before. We do have minimum lot area. So, if you have an apartment, um, for instance, that's going to go on one individual lot, which is typically the way it's done, there has to be minimum 20,000 square feet and 100 ft wide. The
size will limit based on development density, which I'll get to in a second. Um, two family and town home dwellings, we've already basically just copying the same language from the R3 district. Uh same with the base lot setbacks, the building setbacks, uh two family and town houses are the
same. The multiple family uh senior housing and nursing homes uh 25 foot setback. Um so that's more of a bigger structure. So we want to make sure they are set back. So you know, you know, you can be seven and a half feet or seven feet on a sideyard for say a detached tunnel, but we don't want a big
apartment building. So we are making them set back a little bit further. Uh, one thing I should bring up, the uh, detached townhouse, which is technically like a single family unit. We allowed it in the R2 and the R3. We're not allowing that in R4 because this is more of a high density district and that is kind
of almost more of a low density type of use. So, we are pulling that one out of there, but we are allowing the attachments like twin homes and town houses still. Uh, where was I here? U, 25. Yeah. So, building setbacks, 25 ft from the back of curb line of private
drives, 25 from public rightway. Same with the parking areas. Building height. In this case, we're going to allow four stories or 48 feet. So, some you see a lot of these four-story apartment buildings nowadays. Um, I know Wakone has got a few of them that they've built over the last, you know, handful of
years. Um, so we are upping that a little bit. Uh, accessory building still at 20. The common areas, we're still dealing with the same common area language that hasn't adjusted from the previous districts. Development density, the townhouse dwellings are 3,800, which is the same as the previous one.
Multiple family dwellings, 1,500 square feet per unit. Um, buildings on lots of R1 or R2 districts shall not exceed a floor area ratio of 710. So, that's basically if you go under the floor area ratio definition, we're going to kind of limit how much they can have adjacent to
the lower density district. So, we don't want some massive apartment building backing up to these single family residents. We're going to allow uh limitations um and things of that nature. So, uh let's see here. Um senior housing and
two family well the two family is the same. Senior housing and uh assisted or retirement care 1,000 per unit. Uh that's a little bit even more dense, I guess. Uh design and construction standards. So the R3 design and construction standards which we just kind of went through, we're going to use
the same ones here. So we're kind of referencing that section from the previous district. Then it talks about the exterior of multif family dwelling structures, senior housing, nursing homes. We want a variation of materials and coordinating to the architectural design of the structure to create an architecturally balanced appearance. In
addition, multiple family dwelling structure shall comply with the following requirements. 50% of the combined area of all elevations of the structure shell of exterior finish of brick stucco um and or natural artificial stone. So we want to add some
sort of a number of 50% too much. I don't know. I mean you can have hardy board siding and things like that LP smart site as well. Um I guess that's for you guys to make that decision. Uh the building elevation shall not include areas devoted to windows, entrance
doors, garage doors, or roof areas. So basically that's your four residential districts and your agricultural district. Um the PUB district is the next section. Uh I got a couple areas highlighted in yellow. The only areas I want to touch on and I think we're just about done here because we don't need to
talk about the manufactured home stuff. We'll just skip that tonight. But uh page 27, we had some minimum sizes for PUD districts. Um I know a lot of cities lately have have had these were t typically there used to be minimum
acreage. A lot of cities have gone away with that because you have instances for instance our crearyy situation over here. Um you know there's potential redevelopment of that and that may not meet the minimum size requirement but maybe they want to do a PUD on some
stuff. So do we want to limit that on specific circumstances like that or do we want to still keep that as a minimum? So, we have those in there now. But what is the benefit of limiting it to um the the the
if you go back years ago, there was always like PUDs are only to be used on specific circumstances where the city's getting something in return for given like more density or something of that nature, but we want to limit it to certain, you know, developments. Uh,
for instance, City of Lakeville had a PUD limit of 500 acres and they've had a few that are bigger than that in their development history, recent development history. They're going away from that, getting rid of that because it's like, why are we restricting something on a 200 acre development that could be something really cool, you know, that
that everybody wants, you know? So, they've kind of gone away from that. They actually have got their own separate PUD district, which it's PUD district owned that and all you can do in that district is PUD stuff that's meant for. It's very limited on the properties involved, but it is something
they do allow. So, I don't know. It it to me it's it it artificially limits potential developments on properties because you could have some really neat things on some infill type properties that need a PUD that aren't allowed because it
doesn't meet the district size. So, I work in Rush City and they just had this very thing come up and they actually went away from it because they had a real it's like an infill lot. They're going to do a real unique five unit detached townhouse thing with the layout and it was it fit perfect for the
neighborhood and everything, but it was under the side. It was only like 1.2 acre lot and um they they went away from it. Same same sort of thought process. Why are we limiting this on this property? I'd be fine with getting rid of the limit because you're going to I mean the whole idea is you're going to be able to review it and
demand whatever you want of it at the time. Yeah, exactly. Adds flexibility. It does add flexibility especially when you have uh potential uses where you have a mix of commercial and residential um which can happen you know in the you know like the downtown district allows for that. You could have some really
unique things that could happen with that. So, so that was one item I wanted to just address. And uh the other one was on the next page, page 28 at the bottom, it talks about single family PUDS shall be subject to the following
limitations. And what we have in here is uh minimum lot size and lot width should only be reduced up to 25% and then uh in addition to conventional park dedication requirements in the amount of 8% of the total site area. Do we need to limit that if we're doing a PUD or do we want
to address it just let them do whatever they need to do and if it makes sense it makes sense because the city has the ability this puts an artificial artificial limit on single family PUDS to the actual number of lots they can or the density and that sort of thing. I know the mech council's against this
sort of thing right now. They they don't want to see cities have this because it allows for developers to come up with unique developments that allow for additional density. If I remember right, I can't remember whether it's Cold Water Crossing or
Hidden Creek. one of those had an issue with this and a limited and so I think they end up losing like one or two lots because they couldn't meet the requirement if I recall correctly. Seems like the theme on this has been go with flexibility. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That's my thing too. I mean it's been in the code and we we did this I don't know six years ago or whatever but that was kind of carryover language from the previous ordinance. So it just kind of stayed in there. And as I look at these two things now, it's kind of is there really a need for it? Like the PUD
speaks for itself. The city likes it, they can approve it. They don't like it, you have the right to deny it or at least have them amended till you do like it as a city. So, all right. Um, and then the PUD, like I said, there's not much other I mean, there's a few little items I address by
wording things to be consistent. Um, but other than that, that's it. And the manufactured home park, we don't need to talk about. Like I said, next month the plan would be to go over all the commercial, industrial, public institutional districts, and that would be the entire code at that point. Oh, I do have one
other quick question um or comment. The current ordinance or city code, I should say, has uh some shoreland stuff, I believe, uh which is the SL district. My
assumption is we'd want to address that. It's the shorland overlay, which is our current code. I don't think we need to update that, but I just want to make sure we're all on the same page that that shorland stuff should be brought in. I think there's also flood plane um uh district as well, our flood plane
regulations that are kind of separated from the zoning ordinance that should also be put into the zoning ordinance. So, I just want to get a feel. Is everyone okay including that in the zoning ordinance or what what are your thoughts on that? Are they typically included? They are. So, if you go to the page two of the report, I got the areas
highlighted in yellow that we're going to talk about next week or next month, I mean, and I did add shoreland is in there, but I did add the flood plane overlay district in there. I got question marks. We have it in the code, but it's in a different section of the code that should be technically in the zoning horns because it's a flood plane overlay just like a shoreland overlay or
something of that nature. So, I just want to make Yeah, you can see the flood plane. It does address some pro cold water crossing specifically has some stuff in there that deals with flood plane. So, all right. So, I'll I'll make sure that's included in the next go around as well. I'll just kind of
convert the the wording and go from there. So, that's all I got unless there's any questions. Getting close. All right. Next meeting, Tuesday, November 4th. And any reports, commissioners report?
Nope. Nope. Nope. Nothing to report. Motion. Motion for adjournment and a second. All in favor? I I. Anyone opposed? Hearing none. We are journ.