forum of members. I will start tonight um by reading the open meeting open meeting script. Um so in accordance with open meeting law regulation 940 CR C CMR 29.10 please be advised that all FINCOM
members are attending this meeting remotely. In addition, because FINCOM members are attending remotely, all votes taken at this meeting will be by roll call vote. Lastly, if any FINCOM members are not clearly audible to his or her fellow members or to any members of the public, please notify the chair
uh which is me uh immediately and we will do our best to remedy the problem. Um and we'll inform the public whether the meeting will continue. So um as a preliminary matter, I am Jillian Pernagast. I am the chair of the finance
committee. Um, please remind me to confirm that all members and persons anticipated on the agenda are present and can hear me. Vinc members, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. Nathan, >> yes. >> Linda, >> yes.
>> Peter, >> yes. >> Katie, >> yes. >> Male, >> yes. Nathaniel. >> Yes.
>> Great. Um, I have also made the other members of Fincom co-hosts in case I get disconnected. Um, we also have some staff, town staff that are present tonight. So, um,
Justin, can you hear us? Okay. >> I will assume that is a yes. >> Hi, Jillian. Can you hear me? >> Yes. Thank you. >> Yes. Sorry, I'm driving. >> No. Okay. Please be safe. >> All right. Thank you.
>> All right. Um, so we do not have any other anticipated speakers on the agenda tonight. So, I will continue with the remote meeting script. Uh, and I will read the extended script um just in case we have public sign on
later. Um, so good evening. This is an open meeting of the finance committee. It is being conducted via Zoom. Speakers on the agenda will be participating remotely and the chair may allow for the public to provide comment. Um the committee would like to hear public
comments and if there is further action that is required by the board uh uh sorry by the FINCOM, the chair will add the matter as appropriate to a forthcoming agenda. Depending on the comment, the committee, if they are within the confines of open meeting law, respond to the information as opposed to
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as posted on board docs unless I note otherwise. Um, so please also permit me to share some business ground rules. We will now turn um to the agenda. Um, but before I do, please let me um cover some
ground rules for effective and clear conduct of our business and to ensure accurate meeting minutes. I will introduce each topic or speaker on the agenda. After they conclude their remarks, the chair will go down the line of finance committee members inviting each to provide any comment, questions
or motions. Um, further, please remember to mute your phone or your computer when you are not speaking. Please remember to speak clearly and in a way that helps generate accurate meeting minutes. For any response, please wait until the chair yields the floor to you and state
your name before speaking. If members wish to um engage with each other with other members um please do so through the chair taking care to identify yourself. Um and for items with public comment since our meeting tonight will also feature a public hearing after the
finance committee members have spoken. The chair may afford the public to provide comment as follows. The chair will ask members of the public who wish to speak to identify themselves by their name and address. Once the chair has a list of all public commentators, I will call each by name and afford them up to
two minutes for any comments. Um the public comment for public hearings um will be accepted remotely as this meeting is fully remote and that is the entirety of our um remote meeting script that we've gone
through. Um so now we can turn to the first items on the agenda. um which is the special town meeting um and also the public hearing. So I did want to share before we dive into the
public hearing with the rest of the committee that I have confirmed um that some of the articles will be amended on the town floor. Um so these are things where in the past we have taken our vote
as on the printed warrant. So, I would propose that tonight we discuss these amended changes and expect that they will be happening on the floor. Um, because we had our sort of pre-Town meeting today with the town moderator on Zoom. Um, and I did get confirmations
that some of those articles will be changing. So, um I kind of wanted to take an unofficial straw poll vote of the members here if we would like to discuss these changes um and sort of vote on them um ahead of our public hearing or
if we would like to do our public hearing um with the warrant as printed and then invite any members of the public who wish to stay to discuss the things that are anticipated to change. Obviously, we don't have those change. I have the
proposed changes that will be moved at the meeting. Um, but they're not in the printed warrant. So, I as one member think it might be good to go through the warrant as printed since that is what a town people will have in their hand um
and have ahead of the meeting. Um, and then I would propose that we talk about those changes we anticipate after the public hearing. But obviously this is a public meeting so that any members of the public are welcome to stay afterwards for our deliberation and
potential voting. That's how I would um motion to move it, but I would like to open it to the rest of the committee if you have other opinions. >> That sounds good to me. >> Yeah, I agree. I think doing the public hearing first is good.
>> I agree also, Peter. Okay, thank you everyone. Um, so I will start with the public hearing then. So I read sort of the whole remote meeting script including the public uh
comments at the beginning of the meeting here. So I will pull up this is the warrant as it was printed. Uh hopefully you all can see that. Um, I did give the other members the
ability um to control the meeting. So, I I make it play a sound when someone joins or leaves. So, I think I'll be able to see or hear if people are joining, but since I'm fully sharing my screen, if you notice other members of the public join, please be insured to
let them in the meeting. That make sense? Okay. Thank you. All right. So I will go through this is the print the warrant as it is printed and finance committee's role is to go
over the articles um and provide background information a little bit of information and also to vote um on recommending or not recommending the articles and providing a small statement about why um we recommend or do not
recommend the article. and that's sort of part of our charter. In this special town meeting, there are expected to be 12 articles. Um they are um as presented here and we'll go through each one very briefly
and we'll tell you about our recommendation. Um so article one is a bylaw amendment. Um the finance committee did vote to recommend this article. Um this article is updating language in
a bylaw to reflect a previous annual town meeting vote. This article will enable the scholarship committee to continue to run consistently without disruptions and will not change its function. So, I will open up the floor to um any
questions or comments about article one. Um you can use your little hand button to raise your hand if there's questions or comments. Right. I'm not seeing any. So, I'll move on to article number two. Um so article number two is something
that is sponsored by the retirement board. Um so the finance committee did recommend this article. Um so passing of this article would raise the annual allowance for the surviving spouse of a deceased public employee to 12 uh $12,000. Um this
article is expected to impact one person um because there was only one individual whose surviving spouse um retired before this um deadline date that was described in the article itself. Um therefore they could not have selected this option.
Um and the money to cover this would come from the retirement fund um not the general fund. Um and this would be not retroactive. So, this would be going forward from the time this gets voted in. Are there any questions or comments
about article number two? All right. I'm not seeing or hearing any questions um for article number three. Um, this is to um see if the town will approve a
wine and malt beverage liquid license holder um to trade in their existing liquor license um for a non-transferable um license. So, the finance community did recommend this. Um, and the sponsor comments we felt were
very descriptive of this. Um, but we did have our own comments that passage of this article would allow bars and restaurants with an existing wine and malt beverage license to trade that for an all alcohol license. So, that would also cover things like hard liquors. Um
the trade-off is that this all alcohol license are non-transferable, meaning that they would revert back if the business is sold. Um and the finance committee believes this would support economic activity in Maynard by providing greater flexibility for local business. Um
this is um sort of the summary of article number three. Are there any questions or comments on article number three? All right, not hearing any. Um, so for article
number four, uh, this is to rescend authorized and unissued debt. Uh, the finance committee did recommend this article. Um, and passage of this article would rescend unissued debts, thereby increasing the town's borrowing capacity
and improving our financial positions in the eyes of rating agencies. Um, so and the sponsor's comments sort of describes these three different um instances here. Is there any public question or comments
for article number four? All right, I am not hearing any. So, we will move on to article number five. Um, so my understanding is that articles number five and six will be moved together um as one vote uh at the town
meeting. So, that's just something uh a little bit of information for you all. Article five and six are related to each other in that they have to do with solar. Um so article number five um is recommended by the finance committee and
this would allow the select board option to lease the rooftops of the green meadow school and other buildings the municipal buildings to solar companies. Uh it's anticipated that all impacted departments would be involved in that leasing project. Um and this presents a
fisc fiscally responsible opportunity to generate additional revenue through lease agreements while promoting um cost savings and also reducing the energy expenses. Um so and then we also wanted to note that leveraging existing infrastructure
for clean energy production does align with our sustainability goals and practices of the town um without requiring significant upfront investment. Uh and this would streamline the current process which requires town meeting approval of each individual
solar project. Um so by approving this article, the town can maximize its use of its assets um support environmental stewardship and strengthen the financial positions. So I'll open it up to the public if there's any questions or comments about
article number five. Right. I'm not hearing any. So number five was about the lease. Article number six is about the tax agreement. So there there, as I said, they're sort of related to each other. Um the finance
committee did recommend article number six. Um, so this would allow the option to enter into a structured tax agreement relating to solar energy systems that are on the municipal buildings. Um, it's anticipated that all impacted
departments would be involved in any solar project and it would streamline the current process which requires town meeting approval. Um, and by approving this article, the town can maximize use of its assets. Do we have any public question or
comments about article number six? All right, I'm not hearing any. Um, so article number seven is one of the articles that I am aware of will be amended on the public floor um to actually increase the appropriation amount since we're expecting additional
funds um from this settlement. But as uh as I said at the start at the public hearing, we'll go through the article as it is printed. But I did just want to give everyone a heads up on that. So um as it's printed article number seven
talks about transferring about 266K as written here um into this PAS settlement fund. Finance committee did recommend this article and this would transfer the legal settlement funds that are already held by the town into the water improvement
fund. So, this is uh this would allow the town to use this money to be able to upgrade our water management and treatment facilities. Um, in reaction to PAS, are there any public questions or comments for articles number seven?
All right, I'm not hearing any. So I'll move on to article number eight. So I believe eight uh articles 8 n and 10 will be moved
together as they're all sponsored by um um the zoning or planning board. Um so these um article number eight is about the bylaw amendment for overlay districts. Um the finance committee did
recommend this article. Um and so Maynard uh adopted an overlay district for Powder Mill um in May uh 2024. So this this article would propose um that this overlay district in this specific
section of these um updates um in this section talking about the overlay districts uh in the bylaws. it would update that um to include this powder mill overlay district which is underlined.
So that was not done when it was um adopted back in 2024. Are there any public questions or comments about article number eight? All right, I'm not hearing any. So, article number nine is another um
planning board sponsored article. So, this is amending the zoning bylaw um for the downtown mixeduse overlay district. And then the article itself sort of has u details on that. The finance committee
did recommend this article um and this would modify the downtown overlay district by removing a parking requirement for dwelling units. Um, and this would instead be governed by the townwide requirements outlined in
table C of section 6.1.10, um, which is in this zoning bylaw. So, it's it strikes that out, um, here. Are there any public questions or comments about
article nine? All right, I am not hearing any. Um, so we'll move on to article number 10. This is also another zoning bylaw amendment proposal. Um, looking at
powder mill overlay district specifically and this article goes into the details of these different sections of the bylaw. Um, where things are added, they are underlined. Where they are removed, they are stripped out. Um,
and if we scroll down here and we keep going. Um, so this this is quite um like a whole almost chapter of a bylaw and we're almost there.
So um the finance committee does recommend this. Um, so this article adds optional subdists to the powder mill overlay district. So that's subdistrict D and F. Um, then that was originally adopted in May 2024. So this allows more
specific guidance for these subsets of that district and those several pages from before sort of gives you an idea of the more specifics of each of those subdivisions um, of this area. Are there any public questions or
comments on article number 10? All right. I'm not hearing any. Um so article number 11 um will be moved separately even though it is also
sponsored by the planning board. Um, and this is about a bylaw amendment for water supply protections and definitions of battery storage systems. Um, or BESS, battery energy storage systems. Um, so I
did want to make everyone aware that currently there are um a definition of this BES um as being a certain number of kilowatts in this printed warrant. Uh on the floor, the planning board is um
planning to amend that kilowatt per hour um restriction to be a higher number. Um and I can go into that later, but I did want to flag for you. This was one of the main concerns that the finance committee had um with this article was
the defining what the limitations are of um of that. So we actually at the time we had six members um of the finance committee present and it was a split vote where three voted um to recommend
and three voted not to recommend. Um so we will have our recommendation at town meeting. Um we will also after the public hearing tonight is closed, we will discuss this and hopefully vote on it ahead of time so we can have this ready for a printed handout uh at town
meeting. Um but to give you an idea of our comments uh with the warrant as printed um this uh as I said this bylaw defines
what size battery energy storage system or bests are allowed in the water supply protection district. So that's sort of near where our wells are and otherwise where that map was on the prior slide. Um so we did come to a consensus and we
all um generally agreed that the you know the limited water supply and protecting the town's water supply is a top priority and a concern. Um and there if this article does not pass there's currently no bylaw mechanism to prevent largecale
um battery systems in this water prot protection district. Um however some of our members felt with advantage in advances in technology this proposed cutoff um may be too restrictive. So um and we gave some examples of how large
some common battery storage units are um in our comments for the printed warrant here. Um and we did uh make a recommendation that a higher cutoff is something that might be um more accommodating
um for green energy development. So this was our recommendation with the warrant as printed. Um but like I said, we are anticipating they will change that kilowatt um hour cutoff uh on the
floor of town meeting. But in our public hearing, we'll just focus on what's printed in the warrant. Um, are there any public comment or questions for article number 11? All right.
I'm not currently hearing any. Um so I'll move on to article number 12 which is the citizens petition. Um so this is to prohibit um anti-rodent um coagulants
um within the town of Maynard. So um this is a home rule petition. So it would authorize the select board to seek permission from the state for Maynard to take a future action to draft a bylaw.
Um so this article itself um would not put such legis um such restrictions into place. Um it would allow the ability um once we talk to the state to get that permission for a home petition to be
able to pursue um pursue this as potential bylaw in the future. Um so this is um sort of something that is advisory and something that would be
um seeking a home rule. So this would be the first step sort of in making a bylaw for our town. Um the finance committee um did vote on this at our last meeting. uh that did not make it into the printed
warrant, but they did we did vote to recommend. Um and we will finalize our comments tonight after the public hearing on that recommendation. So, are there any um questions or
comments about article number 12? All right. Uh, I'm not currently hearing any public questions or comments for article number 12. Um, that is the last article um that is in the special town
meeting. Um, so if there are no further public questions or comments, um, I would motion that we close
the public hearing at 7:30 p.m. I'll second the motion. >> All right, we have a first, we have a second. Uh, do we have any other questions, comments, or otherwise? Um, before I take a roll call vote to close
the public hearing. No. All right. Um, okay. Uh, so we'll take a roll call vote to close the public hearing. Uh, Nathan. Yes, >> Linda. >> Yes, >> Male.
>> Yes, >> Katie. >> Yes, >> Peter. >> Yes, >> Daniel. >> Yes. >> I am also a yes. Uh, so the public hearing is closed at 7:30 p.m.
Um, all right. Um so we do have so um our next topics are um sort of discussing the changes um of these articles and such. Um but I did want to be sensitive since um we do have
Justin on the call. Are you still driving Justin? If we maybe want to switch and do switch gears and do the enterprise uh first so you can sign off for the night. Yeah, I'm still here, Julian.
>> Yeah, I I would advocate that. >> Yeah, I I don't want you to stay for for have to stay for the whole night. So, I would uh I would advocate that we maybe shift gears and talk about the uh transfer requests. >> Sounds good to me. I'm here. I can also
um add a couple of context to the PAS article. I'm not sure if you're going to talk about the um budget amendment to that. that number is not the same anymore. >> Does that relate to your team?
>> Uh maybe not. Um so my understanding is there'll be two tranches of payments and it'll be around seven uh 777K. >> That's correct. Yep. I thought I heard you say two and change earlier. That could have just been from me driving.
>> Uh that was just within the printed warrant. So, um I did uh I did not say that the number was the second payment, but we will talk about that. >> Perfect. Perfect. So, I just want to make sure and confirm it's the second
number. So, that's all. >> Perfect. Awesome. Thank you. Um All right. So, let me see. So, I have a reserved fund sewer and a water request um that has been voted um and
accepted by the select board at their last meeting which was on the 8th or the 9th of October earlier in the month. I don't remember the exact date. Uh do you have a preference to which one to speak to first, Justin? >> Either or. You're the chair. You lead
the way. I'll answer any question you need. >> All right. So, I'm going to bring up the we have the reserve fund transfer um for the sewer first here. Um
so, and this is talking about how there's a request for 200k. Um and this would be transferred for emergency repairs with the wastewater treatment facility for the rotating biological uh contractor treatment equipment
failure. Um and this needs immediate repairs to mitigate um so we don't overgo our nitrogen contamination into the Asphabet River. Um I think for me just to understand and I
think we talked a little bit about this on email about where the money is coming from and it sounds like you know this will zero out that reserve fund. Um, and I just wanted to see if that if I'm understanding that
correctly. >> Yes. So, yeah, Jillian. So, and, uh, for the entire FinCom, uh, thank you for having me. It's good to see you all kind of I'm driving, but I I know you're all on there. Um, so the sewer retained earnings um, transfer that we typically
do at annual town meeting to set up our reserve account is typically funded at a $200,000 a year um, reallocation. uh process and that's been going on for about the past three years. And for those new to Fincom that don't uh may
not have some back history. Um prior to three years ago, both water and sewer enterprise funds did not actually have reserve funds built into them. Um and it actually inhibited the town's ability to
remediate and mitigate emergency issues far beyond the operating budget's capacity. So, at the time we built in uh two reserve funds, one in water, one in sewer. I know we're talking about sewer currently. Um but the reason that the sewer is 200 and the water is 500 is we
actually reallocated the stabilization funds balances at the time to create the reserve fund. And the reason we did that is so that we could have the ability to react quicker just because of process here. The reserve fund takes two um
authorizations, select board and your committee as well, but we do not need town meeting. Um that was just to expedite the process, but it's still a it's still a pretty risky game when we're talking about financing because we do not have stabilization accounts in either water and sewer. We have these
reserve reserve accounts. I just wanted to bring that into context and that's why there's 200 in one and 500 in the other. And our goal, our financial goals for the for both enterprise accounts is to actually have reserve funds um at an estimated percentage of 10 or 15% of the
operating budget. Um and then our goal for our retained earnings is typically anywhere between 20 and 25% of the operating budget. And then after we build those coffers, we always want to start to build our stabilization. So, we're kind of still at I would say
pretty close to the basement when it comes to our financing for both water and sewer. So Jillian, to your point, this would 100% exhaust the current FY26 operating budget reserve account for
sewer due to the fact that we currently do not have FY25's books closed and or retained earnings certified. Our original goal here was to actually do two special town
meeting articles instead of retained earnings, but unfortunately um this is the only option moving forward. >> Okay. And is it envisioned that this account gets replenished at the next annual town meeting? >> Correct. So we will replenish both
reserve accounts at the $500 $200,000 mark. um at April's town meeting. But our goal again is depending on our uh certified retained earnings, which is free cash for both sewer and water uh enterprise
funds, they're just called retained earnings because of their enterprise fund uh criteria. Our goal is to actually still increase those moving forward. Um but unfortunately, we have a lot of capital improvements and a lot of issues in both of these uh um utilities.
So, it's kind of hard, but luckily we're in a situation where we actually have $200,000 in a reserve fund capable of handling an RBC failure. I think maybe the last time we had an RBC failure, I think maybe only Peter was on the fincom at that time. Jillian, you might have
been there when we had to do a deficit spending, which is a is a giant uh herculean task for the town. Um, so we're in a good position. I will say yes, we're going to be at zero. And then there is a uh risk factor from the time
that we approve this or or if you approve this until annual town meeting. But just so you are aware, if we had another emergency between now and then for something catastrophic above our operating budget, we could still do a
deficit spending practice through a do. We could always also go and use our reserve funds under the general fund process as well. We can use general funds for enterprise funds. >> Yep. We just can't use enterprise funds
for general fund. >> H interesting. >> We we can essentially move quicker on the water issue. You didn't hear me say that, but yes, general fund can subsidize enterprise funds. Enterprise funds can't subsidize general fund.
>> Okay, then. Uh Justin question. Um this is Peter. Um and I do remember our VCs but uh so last year the so let's take the water enterprise fund had retained earnings of
1.2 million or so 1.248 248 and we only put 500 in the reserve fund or in this reserve fund. Um, so I guess my question is I know the balance will then show up in this year's retained
earnings assuming we don't, you know, spend more than we take in, but what h is that $700,000 difference not available for appropriation >> now? A wrap.
>> So why don't we put more into the reserve funds? >> Why? >> Yep. So I I'll kind of add to that. So um part of those part of the retained earnings allocations that you see at annual do consist of our perpetual
reserve fund creations. So every time retained earnings hits, we have to reallocate it 500 for water, 200 for sewer, and so on and so forth, right? But as you can recall at annual town meeting, we're also paying for what I call our smaller cap CIP stuff, our
capital improvement uh projects. And you typically see us either paying for water and sewer trucks out of this. Um last year, last annual town meeting, we paid $200,000 for the wastewater treatment facilities feasibility study. So we
balance the reserve fund with capital improvements so that we don't have to continually take out bonds for lower cost capital that is above our operating budgets capacity. So, does that mean So, did and I'm just
missing it, but did we appropriate most of the retained earnings or we still are, you know, below the full amount of retained earnings because it helps build next year's retained earnings? >> Yep. So, we do a percentage. So, we've been pretty consistent with 500,200 and
then we weigh the capital. But to your point, we did not appropriate all of the 1.2 million in Waters retained earnings. We leave some of those retained earnings there. So, you faded out for a second there and I think you were going to say a percentage or something that I missed.
So, >> oh, sorry about that, Peter. Yeah. So, um to your point is we take we So, let's take water for that because that's what we're talking about. So, water we take we took out 500,000. We waited against our CIP needs at the time and I want to
say we took out um roughly over 150,000 on top of that and we left the remaining retained earnings in the retained earnings account. And the reason for that to your point is why don't we necessarily fund our reserve accounts at
uh $1 million or $750 and then zero out the process based against the capital. And the reason that we don't do that is if we do have to do a deficit spending above and beyond, we need that because we don't have stabilization. That's our last hope before we hit the general fund
with water and sewer issues. So ultimately, we leave a little buffer because the goal, our financial goal is 10 to 15% reserve fund, 20 to 25% retained earnings, and the rest stabilization. And because we can't hit those markers,
we kind of fall back to the most appropriate, which is the money, the funding uh category amounts that you kind of see in front of you for the past two or three years. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I hope that helped. >> Yes.
>> I I had a couple questions. >> Um Hi, Linda. So last so last year I mean in the spring at the town meeting we moved 2,000 from the retained earnings to the reserve fund 200,000
and then in past years we've done the same but now when on line three it says the present balance in the sewer fund is that the sewer reserve fund has zero money. Oh, that I that template that that that reserve
fund transfer sheet is kind of misleading. So, I think Linda, this is something that Jillian brought to my attention as well. >> So, typically you can use a reserve fund to subsidize an operating budget account. >> Yeah, >> because these are specific projects,
they don't have specific operating accounts. So, what we're essentially doing is we're creating an article or an account. typically what we do with like free cash or retained earnings. So the account that currently is going to get subsidized is zero. So we're going to
add 200,000 strictly for RBC repairs. And what that does is that puts a uh financial control on the town, even myself. It puts a control on me and that allows us only to spend that money for that project in which you're approving.
>> So let's imagine let's imagine >> that's a new account. Okay, I got it. And the best way to the best way to look at this is we have to kind of use estimates highlevel engineering estimates because we haven't technically bid these projects out because we can't until we allocate funds.
>> But if we bid it out and it comes in at 150,000 that allows for security in that financial structure. So once the 150,000 is spent, the town, let's imagine I get fired and somebody else comes in, can't just magically spend that 50,000 on
something else. So then it would hit retain earnings the next fiscal year and then just be accountable. >> Yep. >> So we presumably still will have a balance in the sewer enterprise reserve fund even after this 200,000 transfer.
>> Not in the sewer. >> Not in the sewer. >> We will in the water. This will zero out the sewer. This is the entirety of the sewer. The water is will the water has 500. I think I put in was 150. I know it's not in front of me, but whatever the delta encrypt is.
>> Yep. Thank you. >> Do any other members have any questions about the sewer enterprise request? Are we comfortable tonight voting on a recommendation or an approval or disapproval?
>> Yeah, I would move to approve. >> Second. >> Right. We have a move to approve and a second. Do we have any further discussion on this reserve fund transfer or the sewer enterprise request? No. All right.
Uh, so I will take a roll call vote to approve. Nathan, >> yes. >> Linda, >> yes. >> Male, >> yes. >> Katie,
>> yes. >> Peter, >> yes. >> Nathaniel, >> yes. Uh and I am also a yes. Um
perfect. All right. So I will bring up the other request is for water. Um so this is similar uh except this is the water enterprise fund. Um so this is requested for 150k.
Um, and this will uh zero that out. Um, or that'll that'll be into a similar zero balance uh line item right now for this this topic. So this will um replace and upgrade the fencing surrounding water storage tanks to adhere to safety
and security um compliance for public drinking water sources governed by um the DP uh as indicated in our requirements um from a June 2025. Is there any additional background Justin you'd like to supply for this
request? >> Yeah, I can just add a little context. Right. So, so at first this may not seem like a traditional reserve fund request. Um, but I just want to make sure that the um FINCOM understands why this is an
emergency response process. Now, so every 3 to 5 years, our regulatory authority, which is the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection, does a complete utility analysis or audit. They come and they look at our entire operations, our administration
process, all the way down to every single nut and bolt within the um within the treatment plants, within the distribution network, etc., etc., to comply to today's regulations and to meet any future issues that D is running into in conjunction with EPA, which is
the Federal Environmental Protection Agency. As you may or may not be aware, um there was recently a an uh a news flash on 60 minutes in regards to cyber hacking into public utilities. One was Littleton,
right? So um what what D and EPA are um moving forward is very very strict regulation in regards to protections of our water and public drinking water supplies far beyond what they've had in the past. and
the fence and the storage tank actually has a fence structure that is um in place, but it is no longer meet the compliance regulations for public safety in regards to our public drinking supply. So, that's why we're pushing for this as a reserve fund and and an
expedited manner. one to comply with both EPA and DP who are a regulatory authority but also to take the seriousness of um moving safety and security of our public water system um at forefront um of our processes. So that's really a little bit of the
background when it comes to that. >> Thanks Justin. >> You're welcome. Is there um I'm going to launch into the question I guess um for for this type of um could you give maybe give me a little bit of an idea of you
know this amount of money is it like a very large area that you have to fence off is it a very tall fence like >> yes picture >> Yep. If you're if uh the committee is unaware, we have two storage tanks which
store um uh public drinking water to actually provide the pressure that actually feeds your tap and feeds the fire hydrants. So, just a little background here is our system actually pumps from wells which are lower in the
horizon when we're talking about pressures and it actually pumps it up to the storage tank. The storage tanks act as a holding capacity and a pressurization process. We have two of those. One of those is a metal uh vertical tower which is a newer one
which is 3 million gallons which was built um less than 20 years ago which has security fencing that meets um future regulations and the tank design itself is almost um its own security blanket.
We have an older much older almost um uh 100-year-old concrete submersible 1.5 milliongal tank that's half in the earth and half above it. It's actually very easily accessible um to anybody that
would breach a security fence. So just think of the scale of a 1.5 milliongal uh tank. So the fencing takes up almost um well the tank itself takes up close to um almost an eighth of an acre and we have to surround that with fencing, barb
wire, etc. And it has to be mini mesh, it has to be galvanized stainless steel controlled processes. So it is a very um it's a very challenging but not challenging process. It's just far more advanced from like think of it what you would see in front of a FEMA
establishment on old Marbor Road. The difference is we're also contending with steel and aluminum tariffs. So we have galvanized steel. The costs are just not ideal for us at the moment, but we can't necessarily um not move forward with
this process. >> Thanks, Justin. Do any other members have uh questions about this request? >> I have one question. Um can you go over the timelines for this as in like you know emergency in my mind is this needs
to happen yesterday effectively. Uh what's the downside to being out of compliance for another you know few months or until we go through a normal process to get this type of project funded? >> So we risk finding regulation and not meeting the sanitary survey. So that is
a guiding document that actually puts the town on notice uh to comply within a time frame that that effective date is actually before our next annual town meeting. The only other appropriation time we have is annual town meeting. Um and number two, we continue to have a
risk of our public uh drinking water system breached. And if you're unaware, somebody could easily bring poison and put it in the storage tank and no one would know the difference. All right. Do any other members have questions or
comments? Um, just to clarify and um, my apologies if you had already touched on this um, but just to to make sure. So, it's the kind of a full zeroing out, but it'll be replenished at next town meeting, similar to the sewer um request that we just looked at. Is that correct?
>> Yes. We anticipate on average, I mean, if you go back and look at our retained earnings over the past three or four years, we're averaging close to a million dollars in our water retained earnings year-over-year, and we're averaging close to 5 to 600,000 in sewer
year-over-year. So, I do not anticipate that we won't meet those goals. Unfortunately, the books aren't closed and we're not certified. This would be at special town meeting, but I don't anticipate that being a drastic change. Not on the way that we looked at the FY25 uh operating budgets for both water and
sewer. We were on pace to continue what our our traditional trends have been. >> Thank you. >> All right. Are there any further questions or comments from Miss? All right. Not hearing any. Would we
like to take a roll call vote uh on this request? >> I'll move to approve. >> I'll second. >> Who seconded? Was that Nathan? All right. So, we have a move and a second. We have any further discussion,
questions, or comments? All right. So, I will take a roll call vote to approve the reserve fund water enterprise request. Let me stop sharing so I can take a roll call vote to approve. Nathan, >> yes. >> Linda,
>> yes. Male, >> yes. >> Katie, >> yes. >> Peter, >> yes. >> Daniel, >> yes.
>> I am also a yes. >> So, both requests pass. Um Justin, I will fill the paperwork out um and scan it in and uh send it back to uh
the team. >> Yes, that would be great. Just make sure Kevin is informed um Greg, etc. I really do appreciate I want to thank you all um for this process. Um it really does help us move uh all of our uh improvements forward. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us tonight uh and answer our questions. We appreciate that. >> Of course. You have a good night. >> Good night. >> All right. So, now we will be moving on
uh we'll be moving on back to the special town meeting uh as a topic. So, we have um there's a couple articles that I wanted to touch on and then I'm going to pull
up the handout. Um all right, so this is the handout. Um thanks, uh Nathan for getting me some draft comments for article 12. Uh I incorporated them into that handout, so I appreciate that. Um tonight I would propose we go over specifically articles
7, 11, and 12. Um so as they um 7 and 11 will be changed uh on the town meeting floor. So I'd like to talk about what those anticipated changes are. Hopefully get our updated um votes and recommendations
so we can put them in the handout. I would propose that we put them in the handout because we know from the committee sponsoring them that they will be changed in such a manner. Um, but I'm not entirely sure. This is where I'm struggling. I'm not sure if we
should I think we should vote and talk about what our recommendations are tonight, but in the handout I don't think that the people from the town will be getting like they'll they'll know the article will be changed when it happens.
So, I don't know. Basically, I'm struggling with we could put our votes and changes like change recommendations in the printed handout that we give out, but I would have to somehow note that like this will be changed on the town hall floor and it's not the printed
warrant that you got mailed and is posted online, which I also don't want to confuse people, but I think as a committee we should definitely talk about and vote tonight on what those changes are so we don't have to necessarily do it on town hall meeting
floor. Does that make sense? >> Yeah, I think I think that's a a good idea. I would say um and you know this is just a suggestion, but you know we could obviously we'll be talking about them now and then you know we could you know make a note on somebody's laptop or something um that we could give sort of
a you know semi-prepared um you know speech when it does get changed on the town meeting floor. Maybe to, you know, avoid confusion, um, we could keep sort of our printed resources kind of as they are maybe, but just sort of as my opinion is one person.
Is there any way to say like with information received prior to meeting, this is our new comment? Like could you know what I mean? Like could we add in a comment that we had new information and that we changed it?
or would that confuse them? >> My understanding is we definitely can. Um I at least in the printed handout want to have article 12 because we didn't have any recommendation or comments for article 12 which is the
sponsor um the citizens petition sponsored one. >> Um >> seven and 11 are the ones that going to move on the town floor. So I think we can do it either or. I would like to keep it to one page. So, um,
whatever we want to do, I want to keep on a page. So, ideally, it won't have as many printed pieces of paper. Or maybe they could do a two-sided page. I'm not sure. But, um, so like we can put article 7 and 11 with a disclaimer saying this is what it'll be moved on
the town floor, but I also don't want to put in the sponsor's changes or comments. Like I don't feel like that's our place. >> Yeah. So, this is sort of where I'm struggling a little bit, >> right? >> Where like >> we're going to print something out anyway, >> but I'm not entirely sure how to
elegantly do that for seven and 11 because they're they're not going to be changed until they're on the town floor. >> And could they change again? Like technically it's not like in >> technically they can change again. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> I don't based on today's phone call
which was with the town moderator. I don't anticipate that they'll change again. Um, but like I feel like if we're going to send something for printing, article 12 is not going to change. So like we can definitely do article 12. >> 7 and 11 might be sort of more for me
when I read the recommends or do do not recommends at the microphone. Does that make sense? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So that's how I was going to propose to do it, but I did want to see if other members had certain feelings about it. if you think we should just print all of
them. Um, I'm opening the floor >> and then to me I see a difference with seven because we already in the printed town warrant we already recommended we have narrative.
So maybe we could take a vote a vote. Would would it be useful to take a vote here now that with the more money we would still we might not even have to change our recommendation or the um or the narrative?
But do you think we should vote to make to take a vote? It would clarified if we took a vote tonight to make sure that it's the same. of course is is 11 and 12 are different. >> Yes, >> cuz there are substantial
Yeah. Um, so I think I would I would um let's see the numbers that I have. I can paste them here. Um,
so these are the numbers that I have. So my understanding is that the total now with this new second tunch which is not printed in the SPM the total that will be moved on the town floor will be this number. Uh it'll be into the same account uh and it'll be from the same
legal settlement um for sort of the same use. So, I'm not entirely sure we need to change our comments. Um, >> any asterisk takes care of it. >> The comment with the asterisk uh looks having that setup looks great to me.
>> Yeah, I agree. So, um, so Jillian, your number is a little different than what's in the warrant. It's 05 instead of 56. Looks like Looks like 05 is correct. What is the
number going to be? Did you get that number from someplace else? Four and one is >> Yeah, >> it's the change. Linda's talking about >> it's the change you start. And down below you're saying 56 and up above it
says 05. >> I'm probably going to delete this part. Uh here this was sort of just for us talking so you can see what the numbers are. Um, so you're saying that this this >> the numbers that you just erased added
up to 777350.05. >> Yes. This is my understanding that this total is what they'll be moving on the town. >> But but what you just wrote in the second paragraph is different. You wrote 7773506
and it should be live. >> Yep. >> Thanks. Nope. >> I don't know where that came from. That came from >> Well, that's what I was wondering if maybe it came from some place. >> No, that's from Jill's broken brain. Thank you.
As we're doing stuff, I can also just round it and say an approximate number instead of an actual number. Um, so would we like to take a roll call vote to recommend this knowing that we're expecting the total to be around 777K?
>> Uh, yeah, I will I would move to recommend uh the article as we expect it to be amended. And I will second um recommending article 7 amended. >> Okay. I think that's a safe way to say
that we would recommend it as we expect it to be amended. Um so I'll take a roll call vote uh to recommend. Nathan, >> yes. >> Linda, >> yes. >> Male, >> yes.
>> Katie, >> yes. Peter, >> yes. >> Nathaniel, >> yes, >> I am also a yes. Um, uh, so I'm going to put, um,
they recommend uh, as expected to be amended. on on town floor. I don't know. >> SDM floor. >> I I think >> uh I think we can just leave it the way
it is, right? Because we recommend it the way it is and increasing the amount of money. It doesn't really change anything about what we're going to say. I think it just makes it complicated if we try to explain it too much. What I think we should spend more time focusing on is what article 11 might look like if
it it Yeah. Because the amendment might change our reasoning. >> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. Um so article 11 as I said we uh came to a tie vote last time. So to give you a bit
of background and I can also pull up the documents uh if that's helpful. Um but basically the long and short of it is that the planning board has decided that they will make a change that they'll move on the floor of the best
article. So um they shared with us a PDF um but they removed the language designating the kilowatt hours um and they're going to now instead define
it in what a BES is that battery en energy storage system. So um this definition um does not apply to residential uses under 20 kilowatt per individual unit or 80
kilowatt hour for aggregate of units. So it would eliminate the 15 kilowatt hours for residential units as previously proposed and printed in the warrant. Um, so to be clear, they the planning board plans to move the article as printed in
the warrant, but with the addition um of updating that best um best. So I can I can stop sharing this and I can start sharing what the planning board sent us. So um so they
are all I don't know why it made that bigger. Okay, so they're proposing to cross out the 15 kilowatt hour. And this is how they'll move it. Um, and then they cross it out down here, too. And then instead they add this new
sentence, which is the sentence I just read. So, uh, each individual battery is like 20 or 80 for like an aggregate of some number of units. Um, and so that that is what they're
proposing to change in this article since, you know, we gave them the feedback. We didn't think 15 kilowatt was necessarily the right number. >> Okay. A question. Are at town meeting, are we going to be asked for our
recommendation on the original language before it gets amended or are they going to do a floor amendment before they ever ask FINCOM for our recommendation? >> The second one they're going to do the amendment
and then they'll ask for the recommendation. >> Okay, cool. um if if we would ever have to like put a um you know give our recommendation for what the original languages and I think we we should do a motion to
reconsider um our vote that was a tie last time. But if that's never ever really going to be relevant because they're amending it anyway, then I think it's okay to leave that as a tie and just talk about the language of the amendment. Um,
in which >> that is also what >> um in which case, not to skip over too much discussion, but this uh seems to address um what Nathaniel was pointing out as a major objection to the original language
and which convinced me um to oppose the original proposal and I would like to move to recommend the amended language. Um, can I just weigh in and I if somebody
wants to second fine and I I don't think anything I'm going to say is against what Nathan is saying. I would suggest we also have a vote on record on the original language. We don't have to do anything with it. We don't have to talk
about it at a town meeting. We could only present the recommendation on the amended language if that's all we're asked for. But, you know, rather than do something on town meeting floor, if we're going to end up opposing the original language,
I would prefer to just do it tonight so that we have it. But that that's my comments. >> Okay. I think that also makes sense, too. Um, I'll second Nathan's motion. Um, I
do want to point out that this definitely starts to put a band-aid on the issue, but I don't like that they're defining this within or they're fixing this within a definition. And I'm hoping that when they do a full
I I don't know if it's going to be a section um or or how they're going to handle it, but putting this in here is a pretty hard way of we need to now change it again in 5 years. >> Um I still really like the idea of
defining residential per uh special permit or some sort of town review, but that's neither here nor there. Um, I would just hope that they do plan to change this in the future uh when they do the full the full section. >> So, Nathaniel, no, that was the second
>> a very long one, but yes. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah, cuz I'll say I'm I'm inclined still inclined to vote against it. I wasn't even didn't vote against even the amended because I've been reading a few communities have bylaws and the state on October 6 promulgated a
model bylaw and they have three the model bylaw has three tiers of the size of these systems and I just feel like we're really nailing ourselves down without being very thoughtful here and that we could I
think it would be better to do like a very thoughtful bylaw law um that address addresses the issue broadly and gets these sizes right. >> Linda, how do the um 20 and 80 numbers that we have here like fall in terms of
like the tiers that you looked at? >> Okay, the this is the mo it's um this was promulgated October 6 by the our our um Massachusetts Executive Office of Environmental Affairs. It's a a model zoning bylaw. It's open for public
comment right now. So the three tiers are um less than 250 kilowatt, tier 2 is 250 to 10 megawws
and um tier three is 10 and less than 100. Well, to speak in defense of that, the the first meeting where we went into this or I guess it was the second one when they came on and talked about it, they did say that they have a plan to
this is temporary until they do a full >> focused I don't know if it's a section or what exactly the plan is, but this is not supposed to be on the books for more than a year as is essentially. >> Yeah, it's ended soon that they were going to amend >> promised but
>> right >> for a short term this is definitely a band-aid. But yeah, what you just outlined that is that is the right way to do it, >> right? >> Um, can I ask Linda is it sounded like the proposal was a model zoning bylaw
focused on where these things are housed in town? Yes. >> And not necessarily one aimed at water supply protection districts. >> It's it's it's just over it's you're right, Peter. It's just overall it's
what size where setbacks just it was it looks very thoughtful um you know what kind of what kind of zoning um so it looks >> yeah so I I think
>> in what's appropriate within the water district and what's appropriate elsewhere >> yeah Um, >> and I was also concerned about the Green Meadow issue. Um, you know, and they're
in a water one of these water supply protection districts and they they were of course going solar with presume I' I've understood that to be the case. So anyway, those are my those are still my concerns even with these amended
numbers. Okay. Um, so as it stands, we currently have uh a first and a second for recommending as amended. Do we have any further discussion?
on the as amended version. Okay. So, I'm going to go to a roll call vote to recommend as amended with these changes in the blue where they're getting rid of the 15 kilowatts. They're redefining it um to be an aggregate of
up to 80 kil kilowatt hours. Um, so I'll take a roll call vote to recommend as amended. Um, Nathan, >> yes. >> Linda, >> no. >> Uh, Nail,
>> yes. >> Okay. Katie, >> yes. >> Peter, >> yes. >> Okay. Nathaniel, >> yes.
>> Okay. So, and I am also a yes. Um, so currently we would recommend it as amended. Um, okay. And then, um, and I'll circle back here to the comments in a second, but I do want to
go back to what Peter said where we don't actually have a recommended or not recommend as it was printed. So, um, to be complete, I would also motion that we do that.
>> Uh, does anybody recall whether the vote whether the original vote was to recommend or not to recommend? >> We tied on it, I feel, and we we were going to revote. >> Oh, we did. >> But like the motion was the motion to recommend or not to recommend?
>> It was to recommend, I believe. >> To recommend. It's us. They're usually in the affirmative and then you can vote against it. Yeah. >> I thought the recommendation was to or the vote was to do it at town meeting. I guess we couldn't have made that already. So, never mind. Ignore me. >> Jess, if we're going to move to
reconsider, I want to know if I'm saying yes or no. If I'm voting like not directed, >> it's um it it doesn't really matter. Um the short and long of it is it doesn't matter as long as I am clear when I say that what the vote is. So I would say
I'm going to take a roll call vote to recommend or I would say I'm going to take a roll call vote not to recommend. Um, so that's why as long as we're specific in which direction we want to vote in,
it doesn't matter is is basically um so I mean I can make I can make a motion to so the challenge is if I make a motion to recommend articles 11 is printed
and then there's not a majority that agrees, then that would fail and then you would have to take a roll call vote to not recommend and then that would pass and that would be Does that make sense? >> Yes. I I think it's better to have the
motion, you know, in the expected way it's going to vote. So, >> yes, >> I don't want to make the motion not to recommend because I'm still going to recommend the original one, but someone else should make the motion to not
recommend the original language and then we can have the vote and then we'll be done. >> I can make Go ahead, Nathaniel. I I motion to uh not recommend the original language for this article. >> And I'll second that motion.
>> All right. We have a motion not to recommend uh and a second for the article 11 as printed which was with the 15 kilowatt hour restriction. Um so I will take a roll call vote to not recommend. So if you say yes that
means you do not recommend it. Okay. All right. So, um, Nathan, >> yes. >> Linda, >> yes. >> Male, >> yes. >> Katie,
>> yes. >> Okay. Peter, >> no. >> Nathaniel, >> yes. >> All right. And I am also a no. So that the does not recommend passes for the
original printed article. And then just to clarify expectations and if anybody disagrees, please say so. But I'm kind of expecting this doesn't come up at all because, you know, we're going to be asked about our
recommendation on the amended language. But wouldn't it matter if they have to read the whole thing first and go through the order of operations essentially and then on the floor amend it or if they're going to present it amended it first? Feel like that
typically at town meeting they've had to go through it even if they knew an amendment was coming. But I don't know about um I don't know about it in this context. I I think they've done it both ways at town meeting and from what Jill said, I
think she's expecting we're not going to be asked about the the original language. I agree. If we're asked about the original language, then clearly yes, we should talk about our recommendation. Um but if we're only asked about the amended language, that's all I would
mention. But it it doesn't matter that much either. So I'm just Yeah. If anybody disagrees with what I'm saying, they should speak up. If, you know, they think it's important that,
you know, we say that we didn't like the original thing. Um, so I'm just going to Frankenstein what we had in here for what was actually printed in the warrant. Um, So, um, this is sort of what I would
propose. So um I'll make it clear that this is as amended and this is copied from our last our printed um recommendation and then I'll say here that it's expected to be amended on the floor to remove the 15
kilowatt instead focus on defining limits of 20 um per unit or 80 for the aggregate of units um protect and then this is copied from the other thing. So like protecting the water supply is a big concern. If this article doesn't pass, there's no bylaw restricting this.
Um, PINCOM believes that increasing the cutoff with this expected amendment may accommodate future development and protect our water supply blah blah blah. >> I think that's great. And do you think we need to put in
something about the vote and language as as it's printed or you think we can be silent on that? >> Um so in the printed warrant we didn't actually have a recommendation. So we can put in here uh not recommended as
printed. >> Okay. Um and then we can put as uh expected to to be amended. >> Okay. >> Um >> so I would propose that I delete the comments that were actually printed in
the warrant because they're already printed >> um to be less confusing is my personal recommendation. But if you want to have both of them in there,
I mean, uh, these comments made it into the left. I mean, I can update it and say that we had a tie vote and then revoted on the 20th and said no. I mean, yeah, >> if we're including that
>> if we're including that we said not recommended as printed, maybe we should have something in there, right? I don't know. uh if that's the case, I'm going to recommend go like this because right now it's printed. We had
um we had like three paragraphs of comments. >> Yeah. >> So I can This is literally what was in our printed >> Yeah. Yep. >> I mean I could delete that part and just make it shorter and just say that the
committee had a tie vote at the time of warrant printing and then revoted on the October 20th meeting. not to recommend as printed. >> Yeah. >> I I don't I think we should cut all three of those paragraphs and just say,
you know, uh the finance committee voted not to recommend this article due to concerns about um allowing residential use of this technology or uh due to it prohibiting residential use of this technology period. and then go to
the uh finance committee recommendation recommends as expected and have all that stuff in there like this. >> Uh yeah, but I would I would cut that whole first paragraph. I would just like rewrite it completely and we ju just say
that Fincom voted to or FinCom does not recommend the the article as originally printed um due to restrictions on residential use. Period. And then we and then we have the finance committee recommends as expected to be amended on
the floor. Um uh finance committee h voted to recommend um what is expected to be admitted amended on the floor of special town meeting to blah blah blah blah blah.
Yeah that yeah I think that first part's perfect. It's concise and uh but I think the um the abbreviation and it should be KWH without an R at the end to be consistent with where it is uh how it's written in the article.
>> Thanks. I'm going to keep adding that on there because science brain be sciencing. Um, so I can I can put this here and then um to sort of just delineate them. I'm going to get rid of the highlight.
Are we all satisfied with with the break out of that? Yeah. And I I would just add um a little parenthetical here. Ah, that's cool. You can write on that. Okay.
All right, everybody satisfied with 11. Right. >> Looks good. >> Not hearing any further concerns. Um, all right. So, we
voted on article 12 last time. We recommended it. Um, and then, uh, Nathan provided some comments here. So, um, I added on a couple flavors here since, um, since you added them. So, um
I'm not entirely sure if we need to. So, I did to back it up and give you a little bit more information. Um at the like prep meeting with the town moderator today, I asked if uh the article that was at ATM will have
any impact on this STM article because they both had to do with the rodent poisons. Um the short answer is no. They're unrelated. So, if one passes, it's not impacting the other or vice versa. Um, so I don't know we need to put in a comment here about the attorney
general office reviewing the ATM article. >> Um, but I did want to highlight that there's nothing wrong putting it in here. I think it nicely highlights why we voted to recommend. Um, the Lisa me, the town attorney, made it very clear
that this petition is a um what was the legal word she used? It's like a It's like something to recommend. It doesn't actually um >> make anything happen >> or advisory maybe. Sorry, I'm just
>> advisory. That's the word. Yeah, thank you. So, she said it was advisory. So, this is something that um the select board would consider and then the select board would be the people that would go for the home rule petition to see if they could get it granted or not. Um,
so I think these comments are very nice. Uh, the question is like do we want to even talk about the ATM article or not? And like at what level? I don't want to confuse citizens either, but I did want to let them know even though the ATM articles pass, it then goes to the
attorney general and then they're like, are these legal or not? So, for example, the accessory dwelling unit article didn't fully pass from the attorney general. So, they got to redo it again. So, I'm sure that'll be at the next annual town meeting. Um,
but this one, they wanted an extended review period. So, they didn't say yes or no yet. They have until December 14th to decide um if the rodent pesticide ban at town buildings or municipal buildings would be enacted.
So, I did want to give people information about that because that's new information. But I did like the final paragraph suggestion here is that, you know, it's not an endorsement of a future bylaw like this is part of a process. And I
thought that was nice. Uh, and I would just put potential environmental impacts of these chemicals. Um, the sponsor comments aren't super I think clarifying on this. So, would we want to have something in there about um
you know, the annual town meeting article was for town owned property. This is for um private property, residential and commercial. >> Well, it's not necessarily about I mean it it would impact that, but it's really just asking to do like any sort of bylaw
uh regulating it in any way. Right. >> Gotcha. Okay. >> I mean, that's that's what they're talking about. That's that's what they want to do. But like as written, it doesn't it's not specific to private property. It's just allowing us to regulate it in any way.
>> Right. Okay. No, that's fair. >> I do believe that is the the sponsor's intention though, >> is that it would be banned to go out to town. But like you say, Nathan, we can't really judge it until there's actual bylaw in front of us. I mean, I I would just um besides just,
you know, commas after the two places where there's blue lines. I mean, this comment looks pretty good to me. It wants a comma. I'm not sure. I think that second comma is right, but I'm not sure the blue thing, the 2025 comma is because if if we were talking about a date that's
true, but that's actually an that's actually modifying annual town meeting. It's not a separate uh part of the sentence. >> I mean, yes. Yes, that's right. My understanding is just that like for like month month day year that just like the convention is you have the the comma
after after both of them. >> It is and I think that's why it's tripping up the computer. I mean we could make it just the 2025 annual town meeting and there wouldn't be a comma there, >> right? Right. That's correct. Yes. >> Might make it clearer. Okay.
Any additional feedback on our comments? >> Well, it uh goes past a page. So, >> yeah. So, this is this is currently um two pages. Um, I can do that thing where you, you know, you play with the margins
and make things smaller. So, if I bring it down one size and maybe change the spacing a little bit, um um I can do that and make it I don't know.
Do >> we get anywhere by like deleting like finance committee comment? >> I think there's a there's a big space after 11 as well. >> Like a >> Yeah, I don't know why this is
>> um the challenge I have is that for some reason between these two it's double spaced. So >> I'll just figure out I'll just I'll make this onto one page. I don't want you to have to sit through me like how does
word work? >> It looks like it's it's looks like it's one and a half spaces if we single spaced everything. >> Oh, how does that do? Oh, that gets it to one. Yep. >> A little hard to read though. >> It is hard to read.
>> Yeah. Um, right. >> Uh, it's still one. Now, what you can do is put, um, >> actually, it looks like it's right at about one, but you can maybe put just
enters uh, between each individual article, and then that might might still keep it at one if we're lucky. >> Yeah. So, so I'll do um I'll go through and I'll put the actual names of the articles in um
or at least abbreviated ones that'll take up one line or less. Uh and I'll sort of underline or make imprinty imprint imprify. I'll make it prettier. Um
and then um I think we can save a line or two um by in article 11 amended. I think we could probably delete this whole first sentence because it's just saying, you know, what's defining like what does it matter that that's
what that it's like defining what the battery is now? You know, we're talking about like why we changed our boat basically. >> That's true. I'm stuck in editing mode somehow. Let me stop sharing. What's happening?
All right. So, I think that'll be nice. I'll have some space. I can play around with it. I'm gonna I'll probably like bold um you know, certain things. And I'll fix lines so it won't be looking weird. So, I'll I'll impify this
so it's one page. Okay, >> sounds good. >> And I'll do that tonight because this is due for our handout. >> All right. Um, speaking of handouts, what else do we have to do tonight? Um,
we had our public hearing. We talked about uh SPM. So, to let everyone know, um, the moderator wants us to post our meeting to start at 6:30 instead of 7:00, uh, just in case there's anything we need to talk about ahead of the town meeting. Um, since I believe that we
talked about it all tonight, I'm not necessarily expecting that we'll need to open a meeting of our own at 6:30, but I will post it as such. Um, and you know, obviously it's better to get there a bit ahead of seven since we have to
we're all up on the stage anyway. Um, so this will be at the at the school as is tradition. Um, but other than what we talked about tonight, I'm not necessarily anticipating any changes um, in that.
Does anyone have any questions, concerns, or otherwise about STM? So that's next Monday. No. All right. So I will see everyone sometime between 6:30 and 7 um
for for that meeting. All right. Um our next topic is just um talking about there is going to be a joint board meeting and it will be on November 12th. Um, this will be in the fire station training room and also I think a virtual
option. Uh, and it will start at 6:30. So, um, I did want to let you know about that. >> Just very briefly, J and sorry to to backtrack for a second if that's all right, but um, will we be able to get sent like a a finalized copy of the
handout that we were just looking at before the um, special town meeting by any chance? Yes, I will circulate it tonight. Um, and I'm also going to circulate it to um to Greg for printing. Uh, I think I'll also send a copy to um the chair of the
select board. Uh, also the planning board because one of the articles we modify is theirs. Um, and then I guess it's probably polite if I also give a copy to the citizen petition. It's on there and Greg will know about the PAS article
that seven was sponsored by the select board. So I think that's all the parties. >> That sounds amazing. Thank you. >> It will be widely circulated. Uh, and I'll also ask Greg if he can post it on um like in the past we've
posted them also on the fincom website too. So, or at least where they have the warrant on the town meeting website like and they'll also have the presentation they're going to be presenting on there too. Okay. All right. So, um back to the joint
board meeting. So, that will be on the 12th. Um, I'm not entirely sure. Um, I think in the past we talked about maybe presenting something and maybe some graphics, but I feel like that's sort of been on the back burner since we had to do all this STM stuff. But, um, the only
meeting we'll have between now and then is on November 10th because we'll have our our the special town meeting next week and then we won't have another meeting until November 10th currently. I don't know if there's anything we want to talk about for that or
>> so Nathan I guess we had the um the kind of the most updated versions of the graphs those have been um those have been sent along to you. I don't know if but I I would certainly defer to you as to whether you actually want to present those you know if you feel it's necessary. Um
>> yeah, you did send that and um I think uh I think it'd be helpful for me if we if we met again so you can you can go over them. Um wondering like as a committee is there any thing that like we want to focus on because
we we can like put numbers together to show different things, but like what's are there any like top concerns we should be like highlighting? Like what's what's our message? Are we just showing some numbers or do we have something we're trying to convey? >> I think the main challenge is that we're
not going to really have a meeting to talk about that in between now and then because our meeting is on the 10th. Um, and I believe this is run by the select board, so they'll be setting the agenda as well. So, um, it's sort of like if we
don't have pre-ereads for the different committee to sort of consider ahead of time, I don't know how effective our messaging will be. So >> I just wonder that's my main concern. >> I was wondering if about one message is
last year in in the springtime meeting everything was so behind >> and I'm almost feeling like this special town meeting we have two big amendments right you know out of 12 articles and that if if I wonder if we need to set it
as a town set some serious deadlines because we were right up against the gun. I remember last what is it? What this the springtime meeting is in April? April or May? Um >> May. Yeah. >> But if we could, you know, set some
aggressive deadlines for making some decisions, getting information on those big expenditure monies. Um or do we have a consensus that this is a year for no overrides? I don't know. Um
where we did a couple last year. I don't know if those are our messages. >> Yeah. I mean, it seems like like the really big issue is like the Fowler roof, right? Um and Capcom had some like figures for that. So I I mean unless
there's anything like any like strong feelings from anybody else on the committee, it seems that you know having some numbers to bear on, you know, what an override to pay for like a new roof, you know, at those like couple different
I think there were like four different scenarios for the roof. Um that's probably what we should like orient the our part of the discussion towards >> is f is and so you think probably in FY27 we'll need another looks like we're going to be needing another override.
Yeah, pro probably. Yeah, I think that would be good to focus on one project, you know, focus on one project. If we can get one thing done, that would be good. Okay.
I mean, I think what the new select board chair is hoping for is like some kind of an overview, but that's not um I would personally like to have sort of a live discussion at this meeting. And if there's and I know we talked about different scenarios in the past where
you know you were sort of modeling if this override happened for the roof if this you know other override happened for that what would the budget look like what would the debt ratio be things like that. Um, I would be more as one member would be more happy with sort of a live
discussion where we can sort of talk about the spreadsheet and some of the graphics that you guys have been working on rather than a polished let me stand here and give a presentation type of presentation. Um because I think as a town the different boards need to have a
picture like a whole picture of sort of what's going on and an alignment on what the priorities are would be my personal opinion. But for them to be able to sort of think about it and digest it ahead of that
meeting I think it's something that we need to share with the different committees ahead of time. And I don't I don't know when the next select board meeting is. Um I'd have to look it up.
Uh if they have a meeting in between now and then, but this could potentially be sort of that kickoff discussion where we sort of say, you know, like, hey, this is a really cool tool. We have a really great way to visualize this, but we just really need to align like on what the
topics are. because I think the Capcom has sort of this multi-slide presentation on sort of different priorities and I don't think it has to be that sophisticated. Um,
but I think that's what some people are expecting and I don't think we have to necessarily do that. I just want to also set expectations for them and say we would rather have a discussion than a formal presentation. But I don't know since you
all are sort of the masterminds of these different sheets how you want to do them. So I also don't want to speak for you. >> Yeah. And I mean I I don't want to like speak like for the committee, you know, I don't want to be like in charge of like making like our whole like
presentation and just cuz I put a bunch of numbers together. um you know I I I don't want us to show up and not have enough that it's going to be like informative for other committees. Um and I guess that's kind of why I'm
asking for like what what are if anybody else on like has like particular like interests or things that they want to like highlight in um any potential presentation. I mean, for me, I think it would be the debt ratio and
just understanding that we're going to get to a certain ceiling at some point and just giving an idea of what sort of overrides mean in terms of the average single family tax bill. I think that's still a lot of questions particularly on the select board they
have about some of the green metal school funding that's not fully on the tax books yet either because that's not um like it's still in the trunch the uh phases >> and we still don't really know what the
future tranches are look like right >> I don't think we do so um that would be maybe something also to maybe bring up with the green meadow school building committee. I don't know if they have a better idea of how that's
shaping up and when that'll start because I think it's in the next couple years that'll start hitting, but I don't think it's been bonded yet. I don't I think that's why nobody everyone's like, "Hey, I don't know." >> Like about a third of the total costs
have been bonded so far, right? So, I don't have any additional um in terms of the uh the graphs and stuff and and we can obviously talk about this more if we're going to be meeting in person, you know, before the meeting on the 10th. Um but we we didn't
do uh stuff with debt ratio as I recall. You know we have the the graphs in terms of the uh you know uh single family tax burden and how that's going to be affected by the various scenarios but we don't have stuff about debt ratio. So, we could I could certainly start putting some stuff together there maybe,
although I'd have to to look into kind of exactly how to to do that and we can obviously discuss that as well kind of later on, but I'd be happy to and I did want to share with you around when I joined this committee,
I don't know, eight years ago, something like that, I I tried to put together a similar type of a spreadsheet. It was not as sophisticated and nice and shiny as you all have been doing. Um, but I think the main challenge and my learnings from that was that it's important to align with the key
stakeholders first because a lot of the things that I modeled weren't necessarily of interest or priority for certain groups in the town. So, it felt like a lot of work was done um like you you'll get pulled in all
different directions at once is what I'm trying to say. So, as a committee, if we have a strong message that we want to put forward, I think we should put that forward. Um, I would just be wary of trying to model every single everything because I think it'll just get
overwhelming um and just go in circles quite quickly. So, I don't think we need to make it perfect. I think we need to say these are the things we thought were important on modeling and then talk to this joint board group and say like what other things are you all seeing that maybe we
don't have highlighted here in these models and why is it important and I think it's always important to ask why people think things are important because some people are just like I'm on this committee so this committee is the most important or like this this thing
in the town is most important to me so Um, and I think that's the conversation we're not really having right now. And that's why I'm hoping that we can have at this joint meeting. Like, yes, every single, you know, entity in the town is important. Um, but there is also a
balancing act and a balance we need to communicate. I don't know. I feel like I'm going in circles, so I'm just going to stop talking. Are there any other topics we'd like to talk about tonight? So, it sounds like we're not going to necessarily have a
formal presentation because I just don't think we have enough time with STM. Do you want to present anything informally or do we just mention it and say like we have a spreadsheet and have some models and this is a graph
or you don't you just want to mention it and say these are things and we want to align on the priorities. >> I I'm um I'm I'm a little lost. I'm I'm not really sure. Okay. So, the the vibe that I'm getting is that we don't necessarily want to make a formal presentation at this
meeting um on sort of the modeling that you all have been doing or am I misinterpreting? Basically, I'm just I'm going to have to go to the select board because they're going to ask if we have a presentation
or not for the agenda. Could we if the select board is running the meeting, could we just like could we ask the select board like do they have a preference maybe as far as presentation or something more informal? >> They want formal presentations from
everyone. And my personal opinion as one member is that that's not going to help us communicate to each other. >> Gotcha. Let's I guess we can do a formal presentation, but um we'll take our time to make to make make
a presentation. Um I just uh yeah, I I uh I don't like presenting. I just don't want it to turn into the February budget meeting where everyone gives a presentation and nobody listens and talks to each other because I just
don't I think the joint board meetings should be more like chalkboard meetings where we talk about priorities and actually communicate to each other. That's my personal opinion and that's how I would recommend that we approach this. But I did want to bring it up to the committee
>> that that definitely makes a lot of sense. >> I am not making anything. So >> the only thing that I would add as well is um just sort of on the logistical side um happy to present or not present but I would just say that if assuming
that there's a virtual option I probably will have to take that option because I'll I'll be in DC that week for like a work commitment. Um but I I I anticipate being able to join virtually but I don't think there's very little chance that I would be attending in person. Um so for
what that's worth in terms of presentation logistics um just mentioning that Okay. Okay. Is there any further discussion topics for the joint board meeting?
All right. Uh, okay. I'm not hearing any. All right. Um, that's not the right document. Okay. Um, so if there's no other topics for that, uh, we're on to our routine agenda.
So, um, so before we do that, just in case I didn't say it with my outside voice, uh, thank you very much, Nathan and Male, for working together on these, um, future projection documents. Um, really appreciate it. Um, and appreciate
the vision and all the time that you put into that outside of the meetings. Um, I think it's really helpful to look at um, and do live. Um, it kind of hurts my brain to figure out how it could be in a formal presentation, which is also why I kind of talked in circles for a couple minutes, but um, I think it's really
helpful to look at that type of a document live. So, I just want to say thank you before we move to the next topic. >> Uh, I guess can I make one more comment on this just to to clarify my um, I I I think spreadsheets are in my
skill set. I do not think that presenting is in my skill set. If there is anybody on this committee who is better at presenting and like talking to other committees than me, I would really appreciate some help with that because I just like work like messing around with
the number side of things and I am always happy to do that. Um uh as I say, making making friends is sort of almost like my my job. So, I'm happy to do any presentations. Um, so if that's something you'd ever not want to do, um, or people reach out to you
directly, which sometimes apparently they do now by email, you can always uh redirect them and I'm happy to take care of it. So, >> yeah. >> Thanks, >> anytime. Thank you for doing all the
hard work. Um, so I feel like presenting is the easy work. So I I everyone has different skill sets. So I'm sure you think the spreadsheet is the easy work, but I think there's a lot of work there. So
thank you for that. >> Yeah. And I would just add that um huge shout out to Nathan like the spreadsheets are definitely the foundation of everything. Like he just like gives me stuff and I I run it through data wrapper. It's uh everything that's sort of the foundation there is um it's it's Nathan's work and it's been really helpful and informative. So just
uh shout out there I guess. Awesome. All right. So I am going to move that we go on to our routine agenda. So I have minutes two different sets of minutes here for our consideration.
I have minutes from September 22nd. Um, so this was when the planning board came to talk to us. Uh, we talked about the planning board articles. Um, this is when Linda was absent, so Katie
took those notes. Thank you, Katie. So, this is when we were talking about the different zoning articles. And then um after the planning board left, we talked about them. We voted on them. Um and
uh we also had additional talks on other STM articles and moved on them as many as we could. And then we did the routine agenda. Um oh, and this might be important, Linda, Board Docs is not going to exist at some point um after like December.
So, they're going to mitigate everything to a new platform and they'll I don't remember if I said that at a a meeting when you were present, but I did just >> Yeah. So, >> finally I have finally gotten to know Borox upset.
>> I'll survive. >> Uh yeah. So, so that is our our minutes from September 22nd. Do you have any comments or edits or otherwise for these meeting minutes?
>> Would we like a recommendation to accept the minutes as printed? >> I will recommend to approve the minutes for September 22nd. Um, I'll second Peter. >> All right. So, we have a mo a move and a second. Do we have any further comments
or discussion or otherwise? Okay. So, um, take a roll call vote to approve the September 22nd minutes. Uh, Nathan, >> yes. >> Linda, >> abstain.
>> All right. Sorry, was that an abstain? >> At abstain. Yep. >> Uh, male. >> Yes. >> Katie, >> yes. >> Peter, >> yes.
>> Nathaniel, >> yes. >> I am also a yes. Um, so the meeting minutes are approved. Um, Katie, would you like me to send those to the town clerks as approved? >> I I can do that.
They need She needs it in a PDF form. >> Okay, I can I can I'll make a note of that. I can >> That's a new thing because I can do it tomorrow, too, Katie, if you want because I'll probably do the other ones. >> Oh, sure. >> Okay, I'll do both. Yeah, I'll do both.
>> Thank you, Linda. >> All right. And then we have meeting minutes from October 6th. Um, Linda. So thanks Linda for that. Um
so this was talking about the SDM articles. Um and also planning for our public hearing uh and then talking about the routine agenda as well. >> This was under an hour. Yep.
And um just for tonight, the water sewer transfers obviously won't be coming from the this budget here because that's the finance reserve. >> So you don't have to note them there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do members have any questions, comments
otherwise for the meeting minutes for October 6th? No. All right. Um, would we like to take a roll call vote on these? >> Um, I'll move to approve the minutes of October 6th. >> I'll second October 6 minutes.
All right. So, we have a move and a second from Katie. Uh, do we have any further discussion, comments, or otherwise? Right. So, I'll take a roll call vote to recommend or to accept. Uh, Nathan, >> yes.
>> Linda, >> yes. >> Male, >> abstain. >> Katie, >> yes. Peter, >> yes. >> Daniel, >> yes.
>> I am also a yes. Um, so the meeting minutes from uh the six have passed or been accepted. Um, so both meeting minutes have been accepted. Uh, that's great. Um, so now we're on to updates from chairs uh and members. Do
the members have any updates uh you would like to bring to the attention of the groups? Um I'll just I suppose mention um I was able to attend that uh ATFC conference on Saturday which was um pretty interesting informative um just in terms
of like a very brief outline. Um we had sort of a report from the MMA director who kind of talked about sort of the unique pressures that towns are facing right now. Um especially in terms of uh state aid not being very generous. um rising costs, you know, all the things
that we are sort of pretty familiar with and how towns aren't um increasing their spending um sort of in line with other US cities and towns. Um and then uh we had a presenter talking about, you know, the challenges in terms of uh federal grant funding right now. Um and then I
uh went to like the workshops on like budgeting and future financial forecasting which were interesting uh and informative. So um yeah, that was that was cool. Um, and I've like notes if anyone's interested or anything. Um, but yeah,
and yeah, and the director talked about the first event of the evening was this uh the perfect storm report as well. Sorry, I'm talking and I'm on mute. Um, so this is the report I think that you were referencing. Um, I did want to, you know, point out there are some nice
graphics in here if we're ever thinking about like how to how we want to graph certain things um that like we're looking at throughout the town. So, um, and this one was like pretty interesting about the different cities and town
types, like how like different things are, um, growing or shrinking. Um, and so I thought it was a pretty informative report. So, um, some of the the highlights is
that like you said, uh, Nail, there's the rising costs, the sluggish state aid, huge pressures on local budgets. Um, there a lot of towns are getting close to the 2.5% cap on property tax increases. uh and that'll that may
prevent municipalities from raising adequate revenue on their own to respond to community needs without things like overrides or other um alternative financing. Um and different municipalities are being affected in different ways. So like rural towns might have to curtail spending in some
areas like education. Um gateway cities have boosted education spending thanks to like increases in targeted state aid, but they're following behind in other areas of spending. So that's sort of like this graphic that they were referencing about like how the different
types of cities might have access to certain grants other types are not having access to. Um and I guess state aid in Massachusetts is less generous in the US like than some other US um states. Um there is a lot of flexible
state aid that has fallen like like decreased um through for the cities and towns of of Massachusetts. Um, and like I said, the 2.5% cap, a lot of people are getting close to that ceiling, and even increasing it by that
amount isn't necessarily meeting on the budget needs. So, often a lot of towns um are thinking about expensive and temporary overrides. So, um, and there's a lot of rising education um costs.
There is an increase in the aid as well. Um, but it is uh not equal across all of the town types. So it's not like the same benefits rural versus suburban. So yeah, didn't want to steal your thunder,
but I did want to sort of just highlight some of the really cool graphics that are in here because I think it helps visualize some of these, you know, >> and it talks a lot about the ratio, the value and stuff, too. So, >> yeah. No, no, not at all. The the graphs are definitely really good, and I think the the report's not too long. It's
definitely um, you know, good to take a look at. And I thought it was also quite interesting. Apparently, Proposition 2 and a half was like designed to like force the state to provide more aid, but they just haven't done that. So, it kind of that that plan uh just didn't work, which is dryly amusing maybe. But
anyway, no, it was a it was an interesting uh conference, but it was quite quite informative and stuff. So, um that thought that I could go because it was good. >> Did you learn anything that could be useful in a presentation to the quadboard?
Um, sir, I think with the um forecasting like workshop uh that I was at, um, it looks like the DLS has and they said they're going to send things out kind of a couple of days after the conference. Um, but the DLS kind of has a similar um, spreadsheet to what we've been
working on to what you've been uh, what we've created, Nathan, and what we've been, you know, working on a little bit, although it's not exactly the same. Um, and I don't have like an actual Excel file to review because I haven't sent it yet. Um, but from what I looked at what what from what I was seeing at the
actual like lecture that they gave us, um, it seems uh, like they have like a resource that's kind of sort of on along similar lines and and maybe even not so much. I don't think this would be helpful for the um, you know, the quadboard meeting, but in the long term like we actually do like trainings and
stuff for like you know, town staff about like this kind of very stuff that that you've been working on and that we've been doing. So that is um something that could be good to like do. I think they do those in like the spring or something maybe. Um but in terms of stuff for like the quadboard meeting um
maybe maybe not so much that would be directly applicable there I would say. Um, all right. Any other updates on that topic? Do any other members have updates uh that you would like to bring to
attention of the committee? All right. I did only I had one additional update that I did circulate. Uh well, actually two updates. One of them is we did get a memo um from the athletic director of the mayor public schools. Um so that it was just talking about update on the spectator seating
and alumni field. Um and talking about certain areas of the field that are permissible for people to sort of be in during gaming events. um that doesn't necessarily have any financial implications or like consideration for us right now. It was
sort of just a memo. So, I just wanted to bring that to your attention. Um that there's still not uh a lot of seating there. I think they still do rent a bleacher, at least from what I can see when I drive past. Um but the traditional bleachers are not accessible
anymore. Um the other update is and I think I touched upon it was about the attorney general um decision. So they decided to extend from the the annual town meeting. So they they get back to us about if the
annual town meeting articles are in order or not. Um they decided to extend the 90-day review period of article 15 which was the rodent um poisons in the town buildings. So they'll give us our our ruling on that uh December 14th.
Um and then they approved the majority of the other articles. Um article 29 which was the accessory dwelling unit article um was partially approved um because the text the text of the article did not conflict
with the general law uh state law. But they did disapprove certain um certain sections of it which to me or my understanding of this is that it'll probably be coming back as another article at annual town meeting again for
consideration to be updated to be within compliance. Um, and that I did circulate sort of this. Um, this is like the the full you sort of get like a packet back from the attorney
general office talking about like if articles are accepted or not. Um, and this whole there's like several pages about 29 was that accessory dwelling unit. Um, and it sort of talks about like what was in compliance and what was not in compliance. And it like
references like the laws like that they're talking about in the text as well. Um, as like footnotes. So, um, and it talks about why certain parts were disapproved. So, uh, like I said, I
expect that will probably show up at a a future town meeting. Um, so there was a couple of like definitions that didn't seem to drive with state law. Um, is my understanding, but I am not a lawyer.
So, um, yeah, that's my understanding of that. So, I did want to bring that to your attention. And I think that's all the updates that I have. All right. Do we have any additional updates from
the rest of the board? All right. Uh, I'm not hearing any. I will, before I call for a close, um, I will let you know that I am a very busy girl and, uh, I did update our
handout to be one page and it looks much nicer. So um I will circulate this at the uh end of the meeting but I made the article topics uh bold. Uh for some of them I didn't put the full name of the
article but uh I did print it in warrant as expected to be amended and I sort of tightened it up and it is still one page. >> Looks good. >> Good job. So, um, all right. Do we have any
other topics we would like to talk on tonight, friends? No. All right. Our next meeting will be obviously the 27th, which is a special town meeting. I will post it uh as a FinCom meeting and a special town meeting as we have in the past um to
technically start at 6:30, but I don't anticipate we will have to have a formal meeting before the 7:00 meeting. Uh and then our next FINCOM meeting will be on November 10th, followed by the joint board meeting on November 12th. So
that is the future planning. That is all of the topics I have to discuss with you tonight, friends. If we have no other topics from any other member, would we like to entertain a motion to close the meeting at 9:22 p.m.?
>> I'll move to adjourn. >> I'll second. >> We have a move. We have a second. No further discussion. All right. I will take a roll call vote to adjurnn. Nathan. >> Yes.
Linda. >> Oh, yes. >> Male. >> Yes. >> Katie, >> yes. >> Peter, >> yes. >> Nathaniel,
>> yes. >> I am also Yes. We are adjourned. Thank you everyone.