Good evening everybody. We're all here so I don't have any preliminary information to give on file. We all rise for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation
indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you everybody for being here this evening in person and anyone joining us online as well. Uh the next item on the agenda is or first item on the agenda is
public comments and the board would like to hear public comments and if there's further action that's required by us we'll add it the matter as appropriate to a forthcoming agenda. Depending on the comment, we may if we're able within the confines of the open meeting law
respond with information as opposed to needing to deliberate on any issue. So I would after having said that, is there anybody here who has any public comments they would like to express? I don't see anybody rushing forward. So
I'll assume not online. Lucy, you were the only one online. I assume you don't have anything to say. So, uh, we will move on to, uh, unless, of course, I'm wrong. Uh, we'll move on to the item that I'm sure you are here to observe,
Lucy, which is the appointment. We're always enjoy the appointment of full-time police officers. And with that, I will turn it over to the chief. >> Thank you. >> Welcome, Chief. >> Thank you. Thanks for having me. I think we'll go alphabetical. I think I
probably So, >> [clears throat] >> All right. Thank you. Appreciate your time again. And uh it is always a good exciting time for our department as well police officers. So >> it's always a pleasure to have you here for it. >> Much appreciated. Um so we're [clears throat] going two exciting.
First we do Matteas Als who uh will be starting the police academy in Lynfield on January 5th. So we appointed student officer beginning January the 5th. So I am here to formally recommend the appointment of Matas Alice to position
police officer police department. Mr. Al successfully completed each phase of our hiring process, including a screening, cover letter resume, and the oral interview panel, reference checks, and his background. Throughout the process, he's demonstrate professionalism, maturity, and a strong desire to serve
them in the community. Mr. Alves is currently employed as corrections officer of the Middle Sex County Sheriff's Department, where is responsible for the care, custody, and control of inmates. His current role requires constant situational awareness, effective communication, and the ability to deescalate deescalate vent
situations. All essential skills for a police officer. And he's [clears throat] a graduate of the milick Sheriff's Office 56 uh 52 second basic training academy. In addition to his law enforcement experience, Mr. Alice has diverse professional background including commercial driving and being a former small business owner. These roles
have strengthened his reliability, decision-m and lease securities. >> [clears throat] >> He's bilingual and is will be a valuable asset to the to enhance our ability to communicate effectively within our community. Mr. Al has expressed his strong commitment to public service, integrity, and community focused
policing based on his training, work work ethic, and character. I believe he'd be an excellent addition to the ma police department who represent the ton with professionalism and dedication. and slain to begin the Lynfield Police Academy on January 5th. I would like to
thank board member Silva for his assistance during the hiring process which was several months ago. Um and for the board, the entire board for your continued support of the police department. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Good evening everyone. Thank you for
having me. >> Glad to have you. Any questions or comments from the board? >> I'm curious about that line about being a small business owner. Could you give us a little more information about that? >> Around like a year ago, um actually two two and a half years ago, me and my dad,
we started a landscaping business together and we ran it for about like two years, three years and a half given that unfortunately we had to close for some personal reasons, but um we ran it for about two years. We we had up to three or four employees at a time and uh
but it was mostly a family business that we both did. What was the most surprising thing you learned in that period? >> The most surprising thing is that um being a business owner is actually harder employee. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Just have a couple quick questions.
Welcome. Um number one quick one. Um are you bilingual with Spanish or Portuguese? >> Portuguese. >> Portuguese. Yes. >> Um good. And uh what is it about Maya that you feel makes you want to work
here and to serve here? >> I think it's that it has to offer my own town that I live in. Um and it's that feeling that small town have that it feels like a home when you're in it and um also actually that I learned after I
started learning process was that all the employees are um they're way more similar than I expected. the chief the deputy chief valable treatment with her a lot of respect and friendship which I enjoy a lot in the department
thank you >> Mr. Any questions? >> No. >> No. >> I didn't say that too much for recog. >> Well, you didn't know the question was going to be. >> All right. So, uh, you want to do one
one motion at a time, chief. Is that okay, I'll check the motion. >> All right. Move to appoint as a student officer as of January 5th, 2026 and as a full-time officer as of June 29th, 2026. contingent upon
graduation of the police academy and receive the post certifications. Also move to appoint as a local licensing authority agent as of June 29, 2026 contingent upon appointment as a full-time officer with a term expiring
June 30, 2026 and authorizing the use of digital signatures if approved. >> Second I would make that second. All right. Uh any further comments or questions? Hearing none. All in favor? Congratulations.
>> Thank you all. >> Good luck. same with Max Pow who is currently uh enrolled in police academy and is scheduled to uh graduate this December 10th and we begin with the event was found on that following Monday December
8th well push back as well. So um so Mr. How Max comes with us with strong foundation of both emergency communications and law enforcement training. Um he's currently enrolled in the M school police training academy Holio Police Academy where he's
completing the uh full-time recruit um officer course scheduled was the 5th now it's the 12th it sounds like it was just put back. Um, academy instructors have consistently noted his leadership, motivation, and professional demeanor throughout the program. They describe him as highly engaged, attentive to
detail, and someone who sets a positive example for his classmates. His work ethic, thoroughess, and willingness to take initiative have earned him a recognition as the recruit continually performs at a high level. Instructor report that he demonstrates overall excellence in both academic and practical components of the academy.
Prior attend prior to attending police academy, [clears throat] Max served with the Sutton Police Department as a 911 dispatch. In that role, he managed emergency calls, coordinated multi- agency responses, and operated all computerated dispatch systems with anchors. His dispatch experiences,
excellent communication skills, composure under pressure, and familiarity with the full scope of public safety operations. Mr. Howard has displayed maturity, professionalism, sincere commitment to entering the law enforcement profession. His combination of academic preparation, dispatch experience, hands-on skills, and
excellent academy performance make him well prepared to transition the role of full-time police officers degree in criminal justice from Central Maine Community College. Again, I'd like to thank select board member Christ Silver and the entire select board for your support throughout the entire process.
This my request that we appoint Max Howard as police officer. >> Thank you. Did you drive out here all the way from Polio? No, sorry. [clears throat] >> I was gonna say now to get home by midnight
every day. >> Any questions or comments from the board? >> Um, I'll just ask the same question of of you. Um, what is it about Main that attracts you to want to serve here? >> I also find it just like a little bit like Sun. um the small town um community
feel that you get to know a lot of people within the town. I'd love to um definitely build ties with everyone I came across. Um also like um just being able to it's a smaller town so you get to know a lot more of the internet.
Some's a little bit bigger so finding the opportunity in town to >> you know get out out of your comfort zone. I also wanted to try something new with a different town. I grew up in Sutton my whole life and just wanted to
kind of back out of um Sutton and find a new way of life. So Mayor was uh up my alley. Okay. >> Well, thank you. You're very welcome. Sorry to answer that question the second time in the same night. So well done.
>> Well question just comment that I you know having sat on both um individual police chief and the deputy chief that both both of these guys are strong candidates and well deserving of the um position they be in office
incredibly >> well not that it matters but were you an athlete at Sutton High School? >> I was not. I went to a high school in um in Upton right next door in Blackstone Valley. >> All right. The reason I asked was something in Mayor to kind
of >> All right. So without any other question, >> I will move to approve maximum power as a full-time officer as of December 8th, 2025 contingent upon graduation of the
police academy and receipt of postcertifications. moved to appoint Maxim Howard as a local licensing authority agent as of December 8th, 2025 contingent upon appointment as a full-time officer with a term expiring June 30th, 2026 authorizing use of
digital signatures if approved. >> Second, the change in dates to December 12th. [clears throat] >> Oh, sorry. >> That's okay. So, um, motion made, second. Any further comments or questions? Moving
on. All in favor? Congratulations. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Good luck to both of you. >> Luck to both. >> Look forward to seeing you around town. >> You're okay. >> All right.
I'll give everybody a chance to exit. Wants to exit. >> Good night to that baby. >> Thank you for coming. >> All right. Uh the next item is our consent agenda. There are three items on the consent agenda. They include an
alcohol renewal license to use of town property uh for request from the Mor business alliance or cultural council and then the annual MIA MIA members business meeting designating which we hope [clears throat] is
correct. So if there is a motion on that I open to it. You move to approve consent agenda items A through C as presented contingent upon completion of all necessary requirements and adherence to
all federal, state, and local public health and safety guidelines authorizing use of digital signatures if approved. >> Second comments or questions? I have a question. Linda, I assume you're here
for the approval. Uh same thing with a ice sculpture type thing. Is that what the deal is? Okay. Nothing new. >> We might come back with an amendment to add something. >> Okay.
>> Keep on our cold that day. >> Let's hope so. >> I suspect based on what we've got so far, it's going to be >> All in favor. Okay, we're good. And then do we have the vote to >> Yes, please.
>> If so, move to authorize county administrator to vote as a board designate for all annual MIA members business. Second, >> would you like I was going to say, would you like me to explain? >> Yes.
>> Yeah, that's right. So, because we do this every year and and and I didn't mean to be presumptive and so I'm I'm asking you if you have any hesitation, I'm fine with that and I'll ask you every year if need be. Um, but instead of asking you every year, it is similar
to a consent item that I figured why don't you just authorize me to go to all the Maya annual business meetings because I do every year and then you allow me to raise my hand when inevitably everyone votes the same way. But >> yeah, I I I think that makes sense. What
I would suggest if you if you think it makes sense is to say that for example, one year you may not be able to make the meeting and you may want to say Stephanie should go that >> I like that idea >> that the alternative or your designate. >> I like that. Thank you. So if you would
like to amend your motion. >> Sure. So move to authorize the common administrator or this designate to vote as a select board designate for all annual MIA members business meetings.
>> Second they gonna stop making it on days when I'm away. >> That's not Do you want to start coming? We could I mean no I'm not happy in the >> Is everyone okay with that amendment
>> see me on Zoom >> but um yeah >> all right >> question >> uh a procedural question in the sense that if in this kind of situation if there at some point there will be a
new town administrator does this kind of an issue carry over to a new town >> you could change your policies at any time That policy what you just stated is just yours. So if you don't if you don't like the next man, woman, person thing, you can change that. >> So So is this just because you made that
statement, right? Is this this permanent? >> It's because it doesn't have my name. It just says town ministry, right? >> So this So this isn't just for this year. This is for >> Yes, that was the idea. >> That's which is fine. I'm just I just want it doesn't you know. No, you're right to clarify. Okay, that's fine. Unless
>> you decide that you want to be >> voted in 35 years from now when Greg retires. That's about right. >> So, uh I don't vote. All in favor? >> All right. Thank you. All right.
All right. Next item is I want to make sure I didn't miss anything. >> No, you ready. It's um use of property. >> Oh, use of town property uh on 127 Main Street for a 15minute
parking limitation request. >> I was going to say, Mr. Chair, I was going to introduce you to Peter and I talked to him on Friday and I told you to come and I don't see him. Well, that's okay. I think probably he spoke to me about this as well. I sent him
along to here saying, you know, I can't do this on my own, you know, go to town hall and whatever. So, I I can give a little background. >> Okay. Um, as you all know, Peter, I assume you all know Peter Kbala who [clears throat] John's Cleaners, he had
indicated to me that he was getting a little frustrated because uh people were parking in front of John's Cleaners and the Family Deli and parking there for quite some time and especially on Saturday mornings for him and on other
times for the family deli um their customers like to just quickly run in and out. So, he had asked for a 15-minute parking spot in front of his location. There used to be one there.
I'm fairly certain we had one there at one point. Not that long. I could be wrong. I think when we put in the 15minute parking, there was a spot there. >> Was it just in front of this or was it for all three businesses? >> It was just in front of I think it was that first spot.
>> There used to there used to be something on the first the last spot. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I don't know that it was the times. I don't know where the sign went used to was it um a official sign. >> Oh, yes.
>> Okay. [laughter] This point had proved it. >> Oh, all right. All right. >> But he's not there anymore. >> Yeah. And it's not there. But anyway, so I I made it clear to Peter when I spoke with him that, you know, he should come here and speak, but I also tried to make
it clear that this is not his spot. Yeah. >> Um, and it's not necessarily for people even going into his store or to family delegates or anybody who wants to quick stop to run to CVS, to run to pick up a coffee over at the whatever, anybody for 15 minutes can be there.
>> Um, and as long as everybody understands that, and I think he did, um, I'm I'm, you know, I'm good with it because I think it makes sense for businesses like that. There's one down there, liquor store that has one. one, if I remember correctly, a Chinese restaurant that has one for people to run in, pick up their
takeout order. >> Yeah, this and the staff agrees. The staff endorses this. It's not it's not so consequential to the main street park. >> Yeah, it's fine. >> That's one spot. >> It's actually three spots. So, so I um >> Why don't we have a post office, too?
>> There's one. No, it's that's an EDA spot, I think. >> Right. >> Right. >> It narrows slightly up to >> But there are many across the street in short. There's no shortage of >> no >> on that side of the street. So I think this is all three spots in front of >> So that's right.
>> As I as I read this, it singles out three businesses in particular. Yeah. Is that why >> in the only thought process being you know it's between these number of you know spaces but it's it's an address.
Why wouldn't we use the address rather than the name? Because if if Family Dolly leaves or John leaves or if the hair salon >> Sorry, the the you you are right. So to clarify and I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I think I can answer your question. There's a motion that only has the address
>> which which I see. >> Oh, sorry. >> So I didn't know if but shouldn't the first be immediately in front of 127 to 129 and then so moved move to approve limiting? I don't know. It's the same but
>> but my question is The first was not a motion. It's just a consider request. So I think I didn't realize it's three spaces. >> It's just one >> and then >> that's a question. So I guess I guess um
>> does everybody that's there understand that it's not their duty to police people bartending and who who parks there and if somebody doesn't you know doesn't adhere to the 15 minutes responsibility is no I know you can't you're right >> but the guy that was just sitting here can and you know
>> you're right >> inev inevitably he's going to see someone that's couching wine he's not going to sit in the window and say nothing. No. And and I that's why I asked Chief how he felt about this because I didn't want He's the enforcement, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And he he was okay with it. So I I mean
I >> Steve and B on a three spot as opposed to just one spot. >> I we should have more 15 minutes spots for whatever reason. >> Yep. I think for all of those businesses, you want to even for the
post office, you want to like keep that moving and I think 15 makes more sense. And if somebody needs to park for longer, the whole other side of the street >> if if that's the way everybody feels, >> why would you make the right side of the
street all 15 minute park to the police station? >> What do you mean the right side of the other side? >> As you can see in my little picture. >> That's no right up to right up to the handicap. The handicaps bought from the um post office. Why don't you just
There's only There's only two other spaces. Why would you make these two and those all these all 15 minutes spaces? >> Well, because I think so we're looking at the photo that's in board docs. >> The these three we're talking about is 15 minute. I'm pretty sure those two are both that's that's ADA neither. And I
don't think >> no the ADA is up by the post >> and crack the ADA is up on the screen. >> Make those ones. >> Yes. Just a moment. You can eat people blue,
[laughter] right? That's the ADA right there. The little blue dot, right? >> Talking about those. >> Guys, conversation just I want Wilson to bring this photo up so that people
>> from the audience know what we're talking about. >> All right. >> So, the top picture is the one I'm looking at. I didn't expect this to be a >> I know way about see the yellow street not not the
not the actual street view the overhead view there's those three spots then you can just see to its left there's two cars I think that's in front of is that the old >> coyote on the second floor of that is that correct >> so my guess is those are people who who live there probably shouldn't be parking
all day but I'm assuming you do >> u and then the next building is the post office So you're saying why don't we make those ones 50 minutes too. It would be the additional two spaces of prone blue coyote I think is what although although if you I don't if it if you keep going then then you're talking
about there's that engineering firm a little bit further and then you get the banner house pizza >> I don't think going that because those businesses are not like the businesses you're talking about in this stretch yeah are businesses that like the customer behavior is to go in and out of them quickly whereas further down where there's an house of pizza and a jeweler
those are not necessarily businesses that turn over as fast so I think there's more of an argument based on customer behavior in 15 minutes in this section. >> I mean, it's also not something we couldn't change in the future. So, if like if I get if I would love to see something turned over blue coyote and I
would love to have the conversation about what kind of parking they need to have in front of their space, but um right now we're probably not going to get any complaints. >> Well, how about if tonight we just approve what was on on the agenda of three spaces?
>> I move to approve And and my thought was if if the chief agrees that that those others are appropriate and there's some discussion with whether it be the business owners along the way or anybody else that might be there to see if they
have any problems that we then we move on to do the other the rest of it. That that way um everybody sort of has a chance to pipe in. But go ahead. I move to approve limited parking to 15 minutes for the three spaces immediately in
front of 127 to 129 Main Street. >> Second. >> Any further comments or questions? >> Does this include Daniel Craig's spot? Didn't he knives out? >> Yes, he did. >> So, we're talking about parking. Greg,
where's um where is currently parking? J McDonald's building 115 Main Street. >> He parks. He parks. You have to go around and in >> pack. So if when the wine place opens, anybody
that we all know wants to go there. >> Yeah. Where do you park for that? >> Anywhere in downtown. >> They actually have >> the wine place. This came up on the planning board. be a planning board question, but they I think they have to
have dedicated spaces by law and it's it's partially it's just like pass the problem. There's something about the problem that was involved in that. So I think they're supposed to have a couple dedicated spaces. >> There's also exactly there and then there's the municipal and back and the thing about that was like problematic that they had to solve was that they
were supposed to have a secondary access here. So once the prominant is done and they might from the parking lot bring them there. So they're not relying on the three spaces we just gave up. >> I don't think so. >> There's also right across from those non 15inute spaces are still there. If you
go down across by across from the um across from Felixology, there's spaces there. So there's numbers >> because the River Street plot. >> Yeah, there is. But but they have to have their own spots. So far >> I think they do. I think
>> I will get I don't know for sure, but >> that might be true. I I don't want to misspe. So, I'll check with Bill and get back to you guys about what what the requirement is for that that establishment. >> Okay. >> All right.
We move on. Uh, next item is contracts. There are two of them tonight. Uh, Justin, are you on both of them? >> Sure. >> Well, were you planning on answer all the questions you just said? >> Oh, actually, sorry. Going back to the
last one, is there a chance we can remove the parking meters at this class when we put up the 15 minute signage or am I so >> Oh, Jack. >> Oh, >> the motion only included the signage, so to speak, not the removal of meters. The board only approved the removal of the
meters in the court, not >> you know what, we'll cover it another day. >> All right. Um so the first uh contract is a mass D grant for planning, testing and design of a treatment plant of a new
>> Can you give us a read guide? >> Yeah. So what you have in front of you is the state contract for the grant award of $2.3 million for the emerging contaminants for the small disadvantaged communities [clears throat] that uh mayor was recently awarded. Um, this
grant is a pass through grant through the federal EPA down to the state DP and on to the municipality. This grant encompasses a large chunk of our design for our entire water master plan which
encompasses uh phase portions of phase two and phase three. As the board is aware, phase two is Rockland AB treatment plan, new well sources. Phase three is OMR, Old Bubba Road Treatment Plan, and New Well Sources as well. Um the grant criteria is very strict in
regards to what it can pay for. It is not a discretionary front grant. Um the $2.3 million really essentially gets us about a 50% design of phase 2 and about a 50% design of phase three because it has to focus on the criterias of the
grants, i.e. the emerging contaminants. What are emerging contaminants? Um, PAS is an emerging contaminant and manganesees. As you know, our discoloration issues at Old M Road are direct correlations between iron and manganesees. And as you're aware, and the board's been briefed in the past,
PAS regulations are changing, ever evolving, and they're most likely going down. Um, and this is to target both of those processes. And why is that only 50% of each phase? Because this grant will not pay for new well sources. it will not pay for treatment processes
that don't on the emerging contaminant. Our local issue involves both the emerging contaminant and new well source capacity issues. So this is a huge win. Excuse me. It's a huge win for Maynard, but again there's a lot more funding as
discussed in the past through our water master plan and through other uh uh meetings we've had bridging the gap in full design. So if there's any other questions involved in process, please let me know. more scope. I'd be happy to have
>> Justin, what are the directional conversations for both the state and the federal PAS regulations? Because I hear we're I don't feel it's we're always talking about a what we believe we see coming down the road and those conversations change depending on on those bodies continue their
[clears throat] conversations. So, what's the Can you give us an update on what might have changed since we went into that in detail six months ago? Yeah. So, if you're aware, some of the board members have been part of those conversations several years back. Mass um created a new MCL for PAS several
years ago. When you saw it in the news or when when people in Massachusetts really kind of first heard of PAS is because Massachusetts took their own role in limiting and reducing [clears throat] the minimum contaminant level for PAS compared to EPA. EPA's was
just an advisory. Massachusetts took it one step further and then that triggered a significant amount of communities throughout the Commonwealth to actually fail. We luckily were underneath that. >> Do you know about how many communities is that? How >> off the top of my head? No. But it was
over several dozen. So those are towns that are actually what you're hearing now already implementing PAS treatments. The towns like uh active putting them on and others, right? So for Maynard, we kind of dodged the bullet in regards to the state minimum contamination level, but that also triggered national
attention across. It wasn't just Massachusetts, California that [clears throat] so then it it made EPA at the federal level kind of re um review their approach towards PAS and when they do that, it's a national approach. Um and then we receive a
significant amount of feedback from EPA indicating where they're leaning. And I mean we as public water systems. It trickles down each state authority. The EP is ours and then trickles down to the public water sources. So we are aware that EPA has already put out a
preliminary MCL that is actually lower than Massachusetts which would trigger us to be in violation actually would trigger almost 90% of the country to be in violation of PAS. Um what we're seeing from kind of the federal bureaucracy aspect was the target was
actually much more condensed than what we're seeing today. The target goal for EPA was 2027 and we're seeing that pushed back to 2029 and now I'm hearing maybe 2030. So that buys us right but ultimately that buys us time on a
policy. So if we want to continue to act and be forward thinking, we want to get in front of the MCL and in front of the violation, which is what we're targeting one with this grant and our treatment plant process upgrades as a whole.
>> Any discussion at the EPA level of the change of the either the amount or the way they're calculating feast because I believe there's a difference between the state and the federal method of combining different chemicals within that population. zero budge from the EPA
and the target of what is referred to as the original six PAS they are exploring more PAS chemicals right so what we're targeting is the known variables we know that PAS 6 which is what Ncl is [clears throat]
fast is our target so as you hear pas is synonymous name right and it really the best way to describe it is water repellent it's used in thousands of different products um throughout the throughout the globe, but there's a lot more PAS chemicals, right? So, as public
health um review is going on, they're looking at targeting expansion of PAS chemicals. Luckily for us in the water industry, PAS, the original six is very challenging for treatment plants across public drinking water systems. Meaning,
the filtration was [clears throat] never designed to handle a man-made chemical like that. But if EPA and EP expand PAS 6 into PAS 12 or PAS 18, the treatment processes that are the main target which is granular act granulated activated
carbon can actually handle all PAS chemicals above and beyond PAS 6. So, as described in our master plan, we're looking at the known variables while also trying to predict unknown variables while focusing on treatment processes
that can solve multiple different variables in one shot. >> And and we're designing a plant here. We're approving to use this 2.3 for partial design to meet that future lower EPA threshold regardless of when it's implemented. >> Yeah, our target goal is non detected.
So, the target for EPA is close to non detect. >> Understood. Thank you, gentlemen. Yes, you're welcome. >> Um, so this is focused on Old Mar Road Water Treatment Plant and Green Meadow currently and [clears throat]
one you said it gets 50% of phase two and phase three. >> Yeah. So, >> yeah, as you know, so technically right now we have three treatment plants. Each one of those treatment plants feeds a blended system. So, we can't shut off one system and isolate. It technically
feeds into one system. What we do not have is PAS treatment at any of those treatment plants currently. So in order to be effective and efficient, this is mostly for OMR and green metal, but it does have a component in design for Rockland F. That's why I said 50% 50%.
>> So the PAS aspect is we have to jar test which means we have to take all of our sources. We have to look at that seasonally nearly [clears throat] with because raw raw water quality changes, environmental impacts change. So we have to study that over a course of many other processes. But then we have to
design a system that's capable of doing a blend and meeting the same MCL. Meaning if we're pumping more at one location that has more PAS compared to another, we have to look at those pump rates and how that looks at the end result that comes out of your tap. It matches what comes out of. So
technically this is to target all key PAS treatment at all three sources and excuse me manganesees at a combination of o and brag agree that >> we don't have iron and magnes issues nearly as much at
>> so that's kind of the best break for >> okay then so overall like in the master plan we are concurrently pursuing a solution for OMR for the water treatment and MW.
>> I understand that MW is like decades down the road, >> but does I think you kind of just answered this, but does there exist the possibility that we are going to spend $2.3 million on this and I don't know like a 30-year bond on OMR to pay for that water treatment plant,
we would take out and then in 30 years we end up on MWR and we're still paying out a bond even though or no, we we will still benefit from this no matter what happens long >> 100%. In the massive plan, we have a decommissioning plan. So, in order to get on demographic, you're talking 30, 50 years. Yeah.
>> So, so with that plan, if you go into extreme detail, we need water immediately. We need treatment processes immediately. Part of the reason that we're exploring combination plants, i.e. GM and OMR, is that we're essentially
building a primary plant and Rockland then becomes the second. There's the phasing, right? But the phasing is based on the need now. But we also built into our plan set a decommission plan. So imagine going through this timeline. We have Rocklin on board with bonds being
paid with OMRG and Green Meadow combined. And we essentially went from three treatment plants to two meeting today's needs and roughly the next 5 10 15 year needs. Over that time where we pursue MW was always not to meet the today's needs was to meet the future
needs. When we move in into NA and if you're unfamiliar, you do not have to go all in. You can buy commodity. It's just like buying electric commodity, you're buying water commodity. Based on the time frame, we anticipate that Rockland will meet end of life and that's the
time we get MA. So we would then decommission Rockland A subsidize with MA and have a local source reliance in MWA. Like anything, we want to build contingency. What if MWA fails? we can move on our local source that should be able to meet our average day demand and
max demand in an emergency situation and vice versa. If we grow, we can just buy more commodity yet still rely on a local source to offset costs. Just so you know, no matter what, you're going to see a financial analysis. MWA commodity costs will always be more than local
[clears throat] cost. The difference is they eat the capital costs and that's where Maynard always fails is the extreme amount of capital we need on a smaller scale. So the most appropriate situation that mayor could actually ever thrive to is a full OMR GM that works
and meets today's standards and future standards and subsidizing all the needs for growth with MW. >> Thank you. I have one more question. >> Yeah. Um what does bench scale mean in reference to a feasibility study?
>> So bench scale kind of goes back to the scientific nature of how we actually have to define how we treat the water that we have. So the blended system bench scale is just a simple it's a simple chemistry test but it's done in in an environment that encompasses two
to three years many different seasons many different variables meaning we consistently take raw water at different variables throughout and we actually have to consistently [clears throat] look at what that looks like and we have to find the highest level of degradation in that raw water quality and then
within that we have to pull out every single chemical compound that's in it And then we have to design the treatment process based off of that raw water. So in essence, we're predicting whatever our raw water is today, tomorrow, in the future in an environment that has drought, in an environment that has
changes. And that is how we are designing and choosing the treat the most appropriate treatment process i.e. filtration, chemical, etc. So, as you may [clears throat] recall, as you've been on board now with our onboarding of our well 4A slash, now it's well AA and
our treatment plan process and we were able to through that process design a 90% effective treatment plan upgrade and on the back end we there's accountables or variables that we still can't account for in science that we had to subsidize with the peraganate system which is now
the 10% back end. You should anticipate that at any treatment plant, but the jar testing, the feasibility aspect actually does all that pre-work in advance so that we're 90 to 95% accurate and how we treat that water for today and tomorrow.
So that's what and that's why go back when you hear me talk about permanent piloting taking anywhere between three and five years that is required to meet our application for new sources. DP requires that length of scientific
review so that they are comfortable approving the treatment plan process and sometimes let's take well a there's other variables that had to come in. So well 44A actually took almost six years to get through permitting because with just that two to three years of
scientific research then we had to deal with a sensitive environmental impact. it was a blinding turtle habitat. So pump rates, things like that that also took three years of study. So those are things that we have to anticipate. Meaning even if we had the money today, those are things that all have to be
done and there's not necessarily an exponential time frame condensed. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah. >> Hi, I do have another question. Um the the funding the 2.3 million is for partial design.
>> Yes. to cover what the what is allocable under this grant. Could you just clarify [clears throat] for myself and any listeners? Um what are the difficulties in getting the rest of the funding for that design? Um so is is it going to present an additional burden to us
beyond what we have already planned? >> My perfect question. Yeah. So, there was a memo that I brought to the board when we originally received this award, and there's a delta gap of about $4 to5 million that we need to close um close the door on, meaning we need to acquire
about $4 to5 million to complete the 50% design phase two and the 50% design for phase three, which is all agree meadow. Now, we can do that in a phase, right? We didn't want to leave the $2.3 million of essentially federal funds, right? So we're paying for it, but technically
you're kind of half paying for it. A lot of other people pay for it when we when we talk about that. So this we have a phased approach of um building it through our rates. So every year we build our rates. We build in contingency factors to kind of work towards our
phasing process. Um but local uh allocations such as free cash um one-time revenue processes uh mitigation processes all of these things need to be consider considered what we strategically plan to execute and move
all phases forward. So in essence the best way to look at this is we're going to execute $2.3 million but we actually didn't move the time frame we moved it slightly right. So this is this is designing the back end of each system because technically PAS treatment is on
the back side of the treatment process. So we are not essentially right now currently moving on new well exploration because we have a budget gap. [clears throat] We're not moving on pering and piling outside of manganesees and PAS jar testing. So we also have to
jar test for many other things. We'll be able to grab those samples, put it in a fridge, but we can't pay for it with the 2.3 million to look at all the other variables outside of the emerging contaminants. So, closing that gap is vital. We will have a rate hearing coming up. We will strategize on moving
the process um forward so that we're not extending the timelines as identified in the master plan. But, as you heard when we presented the master plan, those timelines are as accurate as having all the money at that time. So every day that ticks by right now that master plan
is moving time wise, right? So we have [clears throat] alternative funding sources as well. We have PAS award grants coming in. We are utilizing those for the permaganate system to deal with our current violations when it we're talking about DB DBT formations, excuse
me, DBP formations, which is the letter that most of our consumers are are taking on as we speak. um that peranate system. We do not anticipate utilizing all of that 700 and roughly $740,000 that town just allocated, but we won't
know that until we finalize design, get our peer review from D and then bid that construction project out. But technically, I do not believe that we will utilize all those funds. Um, so whatever that delta is, we'll move towards the next phase and then we'll
try to close that gap with either localized funds in our upcoming rates and capital. And I would encourage the board to consider um the use of alternative funding to uses local like we discussed at our quad meeting, free cash, um sales, um receipts from any
dispositions, things of that nature far away as we do with every developer. As you know, we have to close the door of most development, but mitigation as part of a development agreement is always something to consider as well.
>> Thank you. No, I'm glad I asked [laughter] that. >> I was gonna sit on the right. >> He was ready to go. I thought
[laughter] >> I don't think I can answer the bench scale thing. Otherwise, I think I should probably Jeff knows exactly >> complex issue and secondary comment you make were in response to questions. So, I'm fully accepting that. So, all right. Is there
a motion on the main issue here, which is the [clears throat] uh >> I'll move to approve and authorize the town administrator to sign the contract with the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection, DP, for work to support the planning, testing, and design of a new treatment plant in the amount of $2.3 million.
>> Second. >> Motion's made, seconded. Any further comments or questions? All in favor? Anything else? You're welcome. Uh uh I assume you guys are here for the next item. So I >> I asked that not to put you on the spot
because we had somebody sit here through an entire meeting and it said I'm here for whatever and it's like the first item on the agenda and I felt so bad. So I didn't wait that. >> All right. Um stat. >> Yeah.
>> Take it away version. >> Very very short and sweet. This is just business as usual. This is our yearly amendment for our overall miscellaneous consulting engineering utility contract work. So every year we change um we
update this amendment which is a do not exceed contract. That's how the original contract is based. So every year we set it based off of what we need, what we project we need, what we've expensed prior and then we move on from there. So this is just our yearly adaptation of
that original contract with the do not exceed of $250,000 which is our typical amendment. We have actually had to increase that due to the sheer fact of inflation and their their rate cost change. Um but outside of that this is covered under our water and sewer enterprise fund. We do not expend
$250,000 on a yearly basis outside of an emergency situation. So it really is hyperdependent on what we have, what we're dealing with, and [clears throat] where we're going. When we talk about water and sewer, as the board is aware though, water and sewer is one of our biggest priorities. Also, we have
significant failures across the board for many things. And I don't mean failures, I just mean not meeting the day, right? There's multiple policy changes and adaptation for our utility is challenging. So Stantech uh allows the community to act responsive and meet
those challenges. >> Thank you. Any questions? >> Then we can make a motion. >> I'll move to approve the change order CO7 with Stantech Consulting Services, Inc. for Specialized Water and Sewer Engineering Consulting Services in the amount of $250,000
authorizing the town administrator and public works director to sign and execute the change order. Second. >> Any further questions or comments? All in favor? Jeff wanted to vote before we get All right. Uh, thank you. Excellent.
>> Now we have the communications plan. So, welcome. >> They'll condense what I said earlier. >> Thanks for having us here this evening. >> Provide a PowerPoint. Yeah, they'll bring it up on the screen. [clears throat]
>> There you go. >> So, thank you for having us here this evening. My name is Nicole Figero. I am the CEO of Capital Street Solutions. Joining me here this evening is Jennifer Thompson. She's our chief development officer as well as our business partner. We are pleased to present the town of
Wayne, excuse me, the town of Mayard's communication plan um for water quality and water master plan education effort. This plan was developed in conjunction with the department of public works to enhance community awareness, transparency and confidence in the
proactive water management strategy. Next slide, please. Going to provide you with a brief overview about capital strategic solutions. I launched the company in 2014 after working with Jennifer in the town of Birmingham that then
>> it's a town it's now a city um on some of the largest infrastructure work that Metro West could ever see. We were pipe jacking under the Sbury River tunneling under the Mass Pike um ribbon framing them apart north to south east to west because they were under administrative
consent order by the mass D. Um a little bit more about my back background. I have a strong background in w all things water. I've worked on the West Coast project way back in the in the day the early 2000s. I'm dating myself. Um I've
also >> not much >> I've also worked for county utilities um overseeing um their community outreach and engagement. But more about that I'll let Jennifer explain her background a little bit more. >> So we did meet uh in Framingham and at
the time it was a town you know with the city now. Um we wor we both worked in public works. We're both a consultant. I worked for the town had I worked in the town the majority of my career about 26 years. Um started [clears throat] with the fire department, moved over to public works right at the time when we were doing all that infrastructure work
and just a whole reorganization of the department. um left Nicole, abandoned her um to become the assistant town manager and um was there for several years and then left to become the town manager in Planeville. Uh and dealt with
ironies by the way. So I feel >> yes and so I feel all of your pain. Um and uh in the last few years I was there for seven years and the last few years I've been consulting with Nicole. So um I think our our you know we do a lot of
different things in terms of um municipal services but Nicole and her team primarily handle a lot of communications and public outreach. We've done a lot of engagement in communities around especially infrastructure projects other things as well but certainly um water treatment
water quality um is is certainly something that has a great deal of. So we have um we're very fortunate to have a professional group including retired cloud managers, administrators, CFOs, treasurer collectors, public works and
public safety professionals. Um we provide hands-on support for our municipal clients um acting as a municipal workforce on wheels or an extra set of hands on you. Next slide please. >> Where are you headquartered? >> I'm in Massachusetts. >> Yes. I founded the company in Clinton
and then um left the state. I think it was in 2019. Went down and work for Canelis County Utilities. Um my husband had a job offer down there and then we came back and Jennifer and I have been rocking and rolling ever since. Um we serve communities throughout New
England, Florida, and New Mexico. Um we're certified WBE DBE. We work side by side with a lot of the engineering partners that um work on these technical projects with public drinking water suppliers. >> You have that space here in Mayor if
you're interested. >> Well, it might be our next our next office space. Um, so our team has a combined total of over 100 years in municipal experience, deep expertise in public works, infrastructure operations
and water quality um communications. We specialize in translating infrastructure into clear accessible messages, helping residents understand what's happening, why it matters, and how it benefits them. I often tell um talk to uh our
clients about the unseen and it's also the underfunded. Um nobody ever complains, you know, about something that they don't see until it impacts them. kind of like the plumbing in your walls, the electrical in your in your walls as well. When
those things go, that's when you start really planning your infrastructure is the same way, whether it's your water, your sewer, or your baths. Um, our guiding philosophy is simple. Empower communities to understand their water. By communicating in plain, relatable terms, we help bridge the gap between
technical planning, public understanding. It's not just projects and pipes. It's about trust, clarity, and engagement. Our approach ensures res residents know about the water system and how it's being improved and how every investment contributes to a more
sustainable future. Next slide, please. And I do talk fast, so you need me to slow down. Just tell me. >> No. >> The purpose of this communication plan is to inform and educate and engage residents on water quality and system improvements. Our goal includes
enhancing public understanding of water quality issues, infrastructure needs, and evolving regulations at the state and federal level. We also want to maintain funding transparency and build public confidence in the in the town's proactive data driven approach.
Most importantly, we want to invite the community into this process and make sure people feel informed, heard, and confident. Next slide, please. The keys to effective outreach is clarity. We'll use simplified audience focused messaging to support strong
visual and consistent branding. Materials will be ADA compliant distributed remote channels including traditional media, digital media, um, inerson outreach, workshops, public forums. The goal is to deliver
information in bite-sized digestible pieces, short, accessessible content that informs residents without overwhelming them. Every piece of communication will have a call to action directing people where to learn more, how to get involved, and to provide
feedback. Next slide, please. Education depends on trust, and trust comes from transparency. Our outreach plan leverages all of Mayor's communication tools from the town website to bill inserts to press releases um social media and public
forums. We'll avoid any messaging through the director of public works and the county administrator's office and ensure the updates are timely, consistent, and accessible to all residents. The message is simple. We're being proactive. We're listening and we're committed to open communication.
Next slide, please. Our communication roll out is in is a phased approach. In phase one, we focus on launching awareness and sharing funding news, POS updates, um, and FAQs, frequently asked
questions. Phase two moves into the education and engagement where we'll host public meetings and workshops. Phase three will center on design and implementation updates while phase four insists consistency reporting during construction and operations. This will ensure that the
residents feel informed from start to finish and not just at the beginning of the project. I don't know how many times I've seen communities announce a big project and then it goes silent after that and no one knows what's happening. We'll measure our success by looking at engagement data
and feedback. metrics will include website traffic, social media interactions, media attendance, excuse me, meeting attendance, and resident sentiment. Our goal is to see increased understanding and fewer concerns or
inquiries related to water quality. The datadriven feedback loop helps us continually refine our approach for the outreach and communication strategies. Next slide, please. Transparency is not just about data.
It's also about we'll continue to acknowledge the challenges openly wheable tangible public benefit safety reliability compliance. The goal is proactive communications that build confidence and prevents misinformation
before it starts. Next slide, please. Ultimately, this plan supports community's broader vision, reliable, high quality water for every resident. It reflects the town's long-term commitment to modernization, sustainability, and transparency. By
aligning communications with the water system master plan, the DBW is not just solving today's challenges. It's planning responsibility for tomorrow's needs. Together, we're building a foundation for a strong and s for a strong and sustainable future for mayor.
With that, I ask if anybody has any questions. >> Well, first off, thank you very much for presentation. Sounds wonderful. you know, I'm a big uh proponent of communication and openness
and transparency in every aspect of the government, let alone um you know, our loan level here. Um I guess the question that I have is sort of it's not related to water per se, but it's more related to when you talk about getting ahead of
the wave for lack of a better phrase relative to misinformation etc. in the era of social media and where there's really no control over a lot of the information that comes out and social
media moves much faster than David G does relevant to any type of reaction. How do you address how do you get ahead of that? How do you address that in today's society from a governmental standpoint, especially in a
small in a small town when we have people that, you know, can tell you where you were yesterday before you knew where you? >> That's a great question. I mean, we're not going to be able to debunk everything ahead of time. There are going to be things that are going to come out after the fact, but what we're
going to do is continue to educate them. So, if we're on the platforms sharing information, we'll be doing it proactively. We want to get it out there before it becomes a rumor, before it becomes hearsay, before it becomes um just coffee talk at the local diner, you
know, and before it's out there on the platform. We want to be the first ones to share it. We want to become the trusted source. And that is that transparent part. It's you want them to be reverting back to your site. So, online, you're going to be building an algorithm. You're going to be using your
social media channels to push back to your website and your website to push back to your social media channels that will elevate your online algorithms so that they'll be seeing your messaging first. It's also a boots on the ground approach. You're going to be going to public meetings. You're going to be
attending fairs. You're going to be talking to people. It's not just a one and done. You have to do the layer approach. Not everyone is on social media and not everyone believes everything that's on social media. Um, I had to explain that to my parents for a long time. I'm like, just because you read it on Facebook doesn't mean that's
actually happening. And I think what you have is a really great team. Um, I just listened to Justin and it blew me out of the water because I've I've sat in several of these meetings with different public works directors, different public drinking water suppliers and
his knowledge of your system and the EPA and the D and the foresight that he's having this master plan is very impressive that worked with communities as small as Mayor or as large as Panelis County in Florida. So, I and I've dealt
with shifting audiences, you know, if it's a vacation or something like that. But I will say like going back to your question, we're going to use we're going to be as transparent as possible with communications and try to be out out in front of everything. There's going to be
times that we're not going to be there and it's the way that we handle those comments on the social media platforms. We're not going to post them in groups. That's a no no win situation for anyone. We'll post bring those conversations to our platforms and elevate the
conversation by posting factual information. Oh, by the way, do if you need to know or did you know this is how this is being done? It's an educational process. >> Y thank you. >> Kind of a followup to that. So you're talking about the bite-sized chunks
which is optimized for social media and then to put the throughine all of them. We have this master plan which is great. it's thorough, but I do feel from reading it, I need a degree in civil civil engineering and several others to to um make sense of it. I feel there's an appetite for something at the in
between scale and could you dig into what that looks like a little bit more? Is that on the website on press release? You mentioned where that may lie, but what's what's the thought for chunking that out for a level between the social media bite size and the here's a 90page report that many people would get lost
in if we just direct them there? So, what we would do is we would take that and break it down into something a bit more digestible, not a bite-sized piece, but something a bit more digestible for your website. And we'll use the push pull method um on social media to get
people to those pages so that they're not feeling overwhelmed. We did this in Planeville um when we were explaining to Plainville about their um community boss plans, you know, and going out and explaining why things had to be done the way that they were being done. We're in
we're in the right now economy where everybody expects just because Amazon shows up at your house the next day that their water infrastructure can be fixed the same way. not understanding the permits that you have to go through, the plants that have to be designed, the what ifs that happen or the cost
escalation of the pipe and the materials to get that done. Um, you're also dealing with other communities and competing for funding. So, that would be an interesting conversation having with people moving forward. Um, so I would say your website would be your main
point of where we want to push people to, but taking that large report and making it something into what the average Joe could understand sipping their morning coffee. We use press releases to get information out there. We can also use videos, too. We've done
video explainers um, where we walk somebody through the average where that drop of water started and where it ends up in. So there's a lot of different tools that we have within our tool box that can break it down and explain it. >> Thank you. >> I think the FAQs are good, too. I've
seen me do those a lot. >> Those are just like I don't know for me personally, like if I'm going in to read something, like a lot of times the FAQs are questions I would have. So I'm like, "Oh, that's what I would ask." And then I can just either click on it or scroll. Um, and you're right, it's kind of in between. It's a little bit more than you
get in a blur about the social media, but not something that's going to be so far over my head that I don't >> and and Lindsay had a good one that she worked on with Justin, I believe, recently. It's an FAQ that you >> Yes. Morris and I that was >> probably about eight months ago. We did
like a Joshua resident um tried to tried to take this really complex issue and distill it into I don't know Justin was it like 10 15 FAQs like why this then that kind of thing. Um and it was I thought it was good. He
did a great job. I had an ad as an input. Um but it was yeah a distillation. people learn and I have multiple ways too like that they maybe some short videos like I'm a visual person I like to see somebody
explaining it like even when Justin was up here explaining I was like he's doing a really good job of explaining what that is um you know we know a little bit more about it just because we're we've been exposed to it but even if I didn't I think if I was watching that on television I'd be like okay I get it I
understand what this means that's just how my brain works like I like hearing someone expl it. So, I think even short little videos might might help for some people, too. Some of who maybe the FAQs aren't their favorite way of kind of looking at stuff. I think using a
combination because everyone has different learning and communication styles is nice. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Hello. Uh, thank you for your presentation. Uh, appreciate that very much. Um, we live in a world where I think we could probably get about 10 times as many people for first grade
recorded concert. for hearing about. So it's just the reality that we >> So uh my question is what kind of experience have you had with other towns at least similar to the makeup with
mainet in terms of moving the population towards a place where you get more engagement. So, we we we use a lot of different tools and a lot of different tricks. And I I'm going to go back to Planeville. Um Planeville was one of my first communities to get people to, you know,
really participate in in their water treatment plan, and we used postcards, everyday direct mailers, and it had a picture on there of the water, and it said, you know, we're having these meetings. You can't attend the meeting in person. Here's a QR code where you
can scan and join hybrid and we filled up a room room playing bill. We hosted workshops at different times. We'll go to the council on aging to have a discussion. Um we were we did the we worked with the city of Berlin on a
larger scale um getting people really involved and we're going to enlist each and every one of the select board members as well to get out there and you know hey I'm I'm talking to so and so and we're going to have a community meeting or you know you know that you
know you're going to be around so we want to be there too you know so we we do enlist the help of these officials in town help us get But we had very successful outcome. Lunenburgg, we had we built a whole auditorium in Lunberg
and that's an equal size. They they were concerned about the price point for their water treatment plant. Um and we used both postcards, social media, um email lists. Um I believe you have a Civic Plus site, >> so you must have these subscriber lists.
I'm sorry. probably from a decent survivalist to get it out there, publish it in the newspapers. Um, but I grew up not too far from here. Our offices in Hudson communities are, you know, generally Maynard is a warm
community. Um, I also have um someone who grew up in Mayard on my staff, knows the community very well. >> And if I was just add like I feel like you're really good at going like Yeah, it's hard to get to come to these meetings, right? and everybody >> we're packed tonight.
>> I know. But um you know, people are busy, you know, running their kids to, you know, I have kids. I I get it. It's like basketball practice, soccer practice, this and that and I've already worked all day. So, um, I think Nicole's really good at going to where people are
sometimes, like if you really need to reach community members, she will go out to a, you know, I remember you going to basketball tournaments and having a table, market basket, and having a table like >> just [clears throat] trying to capture people. Um, and there's some people that
just won't come into, you know, a town or a city hall either. They just comfortable with it. So, sometimes you kind of have to go to them to get the communication out. I think you're you're really good at that. Small businesses is another one, you know, which you know, I'm assuming they're your water customers as well. >> Yeah.
>> One of the difficult things about being a leader within a community like ours is despite the efforts that we all put in along with our administrative staff and we know how hard we work on these issues and we know how much we talk about it,
whatever. There's still a perception among many, not all, but many that we're not we don't we're blind to what the problems are and we're not hearing what the problems are. Nobody cares. And you know, I I I like the description that
you used about somebody coming to fix your cable or whatever the next day. And you know, we're talking about we we tried to find this. We're talking about a 10y year 10 not a hundred million dollar problem. It's not something that
you can, okay, let's let's uh charge everybody an an additional $10 on their bill and we'll get it fixed because, you know, but people think that we're ignoring this because we think something else is more important. And so that's part of our of at least my frustration.
People don't get and we haven't been able to get the message out that we are working on this and at least it hasn't gotten out to the full >> volume. And sometimes maybe I focus too much on the negativity that's that might be there and >> that's easy to do.
>> Um and the fact that maybe I because I do know that there are people who recognize that we are trying there are many that don't and those are the ones that are loudest and the ones that are most frustrating especially when those of us who spend nights out working on it
etc get frustrated about >> and that's why we use a layered approach when we approach any type of project. um especially in a a community such as Maynard where we're going to use not only social media channels and your websites, but we're also going to lean
on um press releases and really getting out there boots on the ground and working the events as well and really getting in there and talking to people. Another, you know, way we can get people involved is maybe getting some high school students involved in a project as
part of it. you know, really getting them to see, you know, what it's like to be a water operator or what it takes to be that because then it's inspiring as well for them to choose a career in public service as well. >> Great idea. Questions over here,
>> I have a couple questions. >> Sure. >> Thank you for this presentation. Um, in regards to like the the channels, it looks like this probably is still kind of in the early stages of development in terms of what the strategy would be for
Mayor specifically. Um, we don't, you know, for better or for worse, we don't have any press outlets that there are none in May. There aren't I mean there's we have a one that's in its nent stages. It's still currently online and it has a subscription list. >> Um, it's called the Mayor Voice.
>> Uh, but it's not quite there yet. We we have social media and we have our town website. Um, but as I'm sure you've seen, like most town websites, it's difficult to navigate and it's difficult to find information. So, I think there's I'm wondering what your thoughts are
again on how you um create like a virtuous circle of amplification of these messages because just those two channels alone are probably not going to be adequate. So, even if you're writing the press release, there's no press really to give it to. we can post it on the website.
But um I'm wondering like what how else you're thinking about strategically using channels like social media but via other um possible sources like amplification from the board or from other people um or or how you've employed a strategy like that in the
past. >> So you there is the so there is the community news that picks up from the surrounding towns. So I do see news in that in that news platform. We also have on our staff, we're very fortunate that we have Liz Collagion who's on our staff
and Liz is a former used to work for WBZ and and Channel 25 and things like that. So, we really wanted to amplify and we have a partnership with iHeart Media. We really wanted to amplify a message. There are different ways that we can get out there amplify that way between your
town social media and we propose establishing a DPW social media channel as well. getting them to play back and forth as well as using, you know, the other social media channels in town. We can get that amplified that way, but it's going to be grassroots boots on the
ground campaign as well. So, we're going to have to go to your schools and talk to people. We're going to use your website and I know that Civic Plus is challenging. I was webmaster for Civic Plus. Um, there's ways to clean up the pages and elevate those pages up. Um, we
could use redirects as well. Um, it's a cheap, easy way to buy a redirect that way, but it's not just one news channel or one social media platform. It's bouncing them back and forth that builds that algorithm, but also getting to
speak at, you know, um, any economic development type of committee meetings, getting out there and speaking to the businesses and how this impacts them and their business or other businesses coming into town. Um, we also use our own channels to share the information.
we would share it on our social media platforms. Our strongest one happens to be a LinkedIn because we're a business, but if you're having an economic development, you know, you want to build economic development here in Mayor down the road, you need a ample water supply
of good quality water. You also need interest in people coming here to start their business. And I know there's no there's no lack of people wanting to move to Mayor. Um, I know this. I I worked in your I've worked in your citric communities. I've worked in
Cbury. I've worked in Weston. A lot of people are moving out to Maynard. Um, I I was priced out of housing in May. I just bought my house. Um, but Maynard is a wonderful warm community that people are wanting to come to and they're
wanting to live here and start their families here. They're going to tune in any way, shape, or form that they can to make sure that the investment that they make is going to pay them back twofold. And part of that is you're investing not only in, you know, your public services
here, but your water, your sewer, your rates, and things like that. So, it's it's going to be a layered growth. We're going to dig our feet in and we're going to be everywhere. You're going to get sick of seeing my face. You're going to get sick of hearing my voice. You're going to be like, "Oh my god, here she comes there. Wake up."
But it's it's that perseverance that our scene has. We had the same thing back in Birmingham back in the 2000 2009 era preocial media and we were packing the high school. We were packing a town hall
with community members because Branding's issue in 2009 was a $250 million issue and that was unheard of back then. So even when I look at the price points now of these water master plants, I'm like that's really not that
it's a lot of money for your residents to carry, but in the grand scheme of things is public safety a first step. Think about what your community would have done during the pandemic if they didn't wash their hands or get a glass of water. I would just can I quickly just piggy
back on that question uh relative to the media aspect? I assume you're aware of the high schools WABM >> that we have here in Maine. Um very underutilized in my opinion relative to
getting word out from the government side. It's, you know, and also it's also, I guess, decreasing in popularity somewhat due to the fact a lot of cable cutters are coming in and there's there's no way to botch what's on. But there's an opportunity there, I think,
to utilize this type of an approach to get words out and to have video and to have whatever. They have nothing on it. So you know if if you can contact schools and speak especially the high school and speak to them about utilization WABM that might be something
that the students you mentioned earlier students might be able to get involved not only in producing but actively being involved in in the process itself. some thought. >> Yeah, we had we had students in Planeville that um got really involved with the the outreach for their water
treatment plan and one of the students actually um submitted an article that was published and it was it was really like we gave them a high five and everything was wonderful to really get those kids involved and that brings the parents in. So that was one of the things that we did way back in the
beginning was we got in touch with the schools and every year we would do a backpack notice and in that backpack notice was you know a did a word search or you know find find the the water droplet. Um there's been activ
level versus middle or high school level. I know times have changed since I had kids. Um I don't have any more kids in school. Um where everything's emailed out or notification parents where the kids bring home something tangible where they they can say, "Wow, look at the big
truck or the machine." You know, and it's the video component will help to draw them in. If a child can see it and watch it, they'll point it out to their parents. I mean, we had a sidewalk plot
early days of like social media and we that video got over 15,000 hits one year um way back in the day in Firmingham because it was kids watching it and saying, "Play it again. Play it again. Play it again." >> I also think you need to maximize your
all of your social media. So, like you may have people that don't necessarily follow like your regular town Facebook or Instagram or or even your public works, but they may follow parks and wreck or they may follow police or they certainly may follow schools, like things that touch their everyday life
more frequently. You you can kind of be more systematic about making sure that those platforms are sharing the waters information even though it may not be their feed story, their audience sometimes is broader or it's just kind of come up in parents, right? because they already are checking park for
schools or police. Um I think those are good ones but we we try to integrate the other departments to share the information. >> Yeah. Just one other thought in looking at your document um communications plan WQ and master plan the it's it's not the
PowerPoint it's the other one with the key messages and this may have been you know this might have been a conscious choice but I think one of the things that comes up a lot in Mayor was just kind of getting to do this point is I think that people don't understand that it took like 30 to 50 years for us to
get to this moment >> and and not that I think we should be like relitigating the past 30 or 50 years of choices or anything like that or rehashing how this happened, but I I'm wondering if you would add or if you think it's not a good idea to add to your key messages something that helps
people understand why we're here that this didn't this problem wasn't created overnight so it won't be solved overnight. >> Um I I mean I think there's a lot of good stuff here and the key messages, but honestly I think for Maynard for what I hear people are concerned people want to know why their water's brown and
why it cost so much money. >> Sure. That's it. The distribution system and where we're drilling new wells. I think there's going to there's some interest in that. That's helpful for some people with background. But those are the two main questions. It's why is my water brown and why does it cost so much? Why do I have to keep paying more
money? and and the comment just fix it and just fix things like how did we get here? I mean, I would I would add, you know, some of your key messages like the long-term vision is important, but there are other like I think that there's a
good portion of the community that doesn't care necessarily about the long-term vision as it relates to like the specifics and the wells and what we're doing and it's more like what are you doing and why did this happen, right? Um, so I do think that in the key messages, again, not that you want to be
like relitigating the last 50 years of choices this town has made. I don't think that's a good idea, but just helping people understand the scale, the time scale of water infrastructure planning. Um, and that this was not this isn't because, you know, the DPW hasn't
been doing their job this month. >> No, that's not which honestly that is a perception. Like it's a misperception happened. People need to be like people need to be disabused of their like kind of um the assumptions that they make about if this thing is happening in this
moment that means that in this moment someone's not doing their job the way I think they should. >> And um you don't obviously want to be combating like every negative opinion, but I do think that if you can get ahead of it with like a totally get it, but it took a long time to get here, so it will
take a long time to get out of here. >> Yes. And I I I definitely agree with that. We did a lot of that um with sanitary sewer overflows in Framingham. I've done that with Penllis County Utilities with, you know, the condition of their infrastructure with the the
breaks on the um the Madura Beach side, you know, it those breaks were crazy happening all the time and people couldn't understand why why is it falling apart and you have to explain to them how salt and the ocean water and how that infiltrates pipe and how it it
grows pipe and it destroys that was a lack of investment on that side um for many reasons, but it's definitely something we could add into the messaging and I thank you for that feedback. >> Chris, yeah, thank you for the um presentation. So, you guys are going to
take um Justin's information and create all the content and and put that out. Who who on the um maybe a conversation with Greg as well? Who on the main side is going to monitor what's going on and all that type of stuff? Read both. I mean, it is the town's website as much
as they're sort of stuff. You know, Nicole and Jennifer, you guys probably know Justin. >> The five of us have someone here because we've been listening. You know, all of us have been here at least three or four years and and some of us more and and Greg and Stephan certainly the same
amount of time listening to Justin's, you know, um version of the things and, you know, great explanations of where we are and what we're doing and the feedback and everything else. But um I'm just kind of curious how that how that relationship works so that we know
what's going out before it goes out or >> you know that's you know we have I mean we have companies that I work with that do this for my business and they do things for my employees. Well I want to see everything before it goes out and I don't know that we have you know but you and Justin don't want to see everything.
you know, if you were like backpack car, you know, this like I can appreciate those because I see my granddaughter rings with them all the time and you know, I'm an expert on K-pop the demon hunter. >> Oh, yeah. That's because we're 5-year-old. So why
you made that point? I I understood that perfectly that you know most of the education um not and I because I'm here and my daughter have to be teacher in the school system but friends in a similar situation with young grandkids have the same issues. I saw on TV the
other day or I saw you know my granddaughter told me but so I can appreciate that part of it but I'm just kind of curious how that will work like how the relationship works. >> So we work very well with the chain of command. So everything that prior to it going out would not go out without the
blessing of the administration and just um viewing it, getting their eyes on it before it gets disseminated to the public. There's something that, you know, as being a former PI, I would never let my board get blindsided. Um that was always important to me is that
they had a heads up before it hit the public before something went out. And it's it's not just it's the checks and balances, too. We want to speak from the voice of mayor. It's not CSS's voice. It's the voice of mayor that has to come
out and that's where you all add value to the message. >> Can I [clears throat] add to that too? So that's true. My expectation is um a similar relationship we have with our existing PR firm um where just as she described nothing is released without
consent large oftentimes at my level but usually it starts at the at the level and then they and then that PR requires my thumbs up. So I think it'll be sort of fluid certainly at their level and I'll be involved to a degree but most of the data from Justin's office it'll be
sort of translated and interpreted by their office and then messaged the way that they're the experts may know how to do it better than Chester and I and then it'll be sort of although I think keeping the board informed I think it'll be um very gluted and um as it obvious
well I try to get you as informed as I possibly can. Maybe you're sick of all my emails, but but I even if it's a little thing, I try to give the board or it may say like this will be released or here's where's we got of a new grant, but it's not public yet, but we'll we'll let you know when it's going to be
public and it'll be a message that comes along with that. >> Um, it's a great question, but I I don't think we're handing over the keys to the website. It'll be it'll be more like um >> like a usual dialogue, like a like a frequent dialogue. So is it a volunteer?
>> No, we pay them. >> Yeah. No, but >> so when that when they when it comes time when it comes time to discuss the finances of the whole thing. >> Yeah. >> Now, is this a water sew sewer water sewer enterprise expense or is this a town general budget expense? Where are
we going to when we come to have that conversation? Where are we going to >> we have to be focused at? >> So go ahead. I can answer. So technically right now they're working for the Department of Public Works already under a under $10,000 cap contract which they've already been
procured statewide. They're on a blank contract to the state um specifically for water inst from the state. They've already just like when we buy petroleum and large scale they've already gone through that process meaning they are state. >> It wasn't like a it wasn't I didn't have
to bid it. >> Yeah. We're not utilizing >> I mean I obviously you know and volunteer up. It's just we're we're you know we're gonna we're going to answer questions and you know I and I'm sure that you guys both know that people
sitting here are going to answer questions. Why are we paying someone to tell us what Justin could tell us you know >> and certainly you know um that's the same group of people who were telling us constantly that we don't do a good enough job communicating. So now we are going to, you know, take a step towards
having someone that knows how to communicate appropriately, where and when and how. And that's that's, you know, something we probably be losing other parts of the town as well. But I'm just, you know, when that question comes up, >> yeah,
>> will be nice to have an answer to how it's funded. You know, it's funded by a grant from this or it's funded by that. That's that's just the will to have. So, so currently right now the main focus is
on meeting the board's goals of outreach and education including the DPW's goals that we've had for the last three years with a hyper focus on water. So, as Nicole has presented, this is u they have been on boarded specifically to
help us with outreach education based on manage water issues. But that doesn't mean that if the board wanted to entertain expanding their roles, but that's up to the board and and Greg Johnson under your under your different budget funding mechanisms under water and sewer. This is something that we've
been uh planning for and we have budgeted for years because outreach and education has always been ramped up at the at the water level. Um, outside of that part of this and and I've had this discussion with Nicole is is this is kind of their trial run and if you see
that there is an extreme advantageous approach to advancing your PR beyond what we've traditionally done then again it is a blanket contract and that expansion is between the board and Greg Johnson if it needs to help with other aspects that are outside the DPW's
problem. uh from the DPW uh we're going to gauge how successful we are with water and sewer and we may put in future budget requests if there's other projects let's take example we have a solid waste uh program launch that we have in front of us right
outreach and education is vital for the success of that program we have not on boarded our our potential solid waste coordinator but there may be advantageous approach to also utilizing the company for something like that as well So really this was a presentation
so you understood the company as a holistic approach but as of right now they're on boarded specifically. >> Okay. So we're we already we're already engaged. We're already >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Sure.
>> Um couple againations. So it looks like some of the deliverables include graphics and content videos. Do you guys have your own in-house design team or do you have >> you have graphics and video design teams?
>> Um and then again just another I'm giving you a lot of unsolicited advice and I'm sorry. Um this I think um one of the things that I think comes up for people in Mayard that is kind of marginalizing is the
word that I'll use for now um is just like the basic language that's used in municipal governance is like it's what it is. So I would encourage you to be highly almost seemingly insultingly
reductive in the language that you use even in looking at some of the key messages. There's a lot of stuff in here that I think people zone out when it's like modernization of treatment operations to distribution system that is like a word salad that people are like what is that even because even if you just break that down it it's just
people are not attaching themselves to this on a day-to-day basis and I think for anybody who's in it day in and day out and who has such um thorough understanding and knowledge of how the system works like Justin like DBW team like both of you um it's almost like
sometimes you have to really step back >> and and take like another good hard look at the language and make sure that these are that these are basic words that people are going to get when you string them together. And I don't mean that people are stupid. I don't mean that people can't understand it. It's more
just that I find municipal language um >> kind of ridiculous and I it means a breakdown. So I would just encourage you again. >> [clears throat] >> Sometimes it seems that the more technical the language used by
government in particular, especially in Maynard, I might say uh is perceived as being hiding something. >> It's alienating >> and it's not I don't think anyone's actually hiding anything. It's just >> you know what I mean
is not telling us >> not especially in May and and for any sufficiently sized organization has that challenge. >> That's true. the defenders and not just government >> this this particular topic right is
that's that's where we have the most problems and you know um I'm not picking on Justin it's my favorite sport but I'm not picking on Justin but his >> his explanations are are so highly technical that people are what did that guy say so this to to Justin to not
Justin to Lindsay's point Um to Lindsay point it's exactly where it has to go like you know ABC level letter that is in word because Justin's stuff is technical >> it's highly technical heard it so much
>> also even backing up even further there's like and maybe this is outside of the scope of your work but there's been there's like the basic issue that mayor has right now but even taking a step back and like how does the water system work and there are some videos on our website now that are um helpful
I personally think they're one of them's 14 minutes long. Nobody is watching on water. Um maybe watch >> a minute like as much as you get. Um,
but I think there's also, you know, having to backtrack a little bit and even supply some basic definitions in advance of the messaging so that we're everyone's working with a common vocabulary um is also helpful. You know,
again, just like away from assumption of any foundational knowledge or understanding because again, people don't care as much about that stuff. What they want to know is why is my water brown and why does it cost so much money and why does it continue to cost more money? want to have it fixed and what are you going to do to fix it and
when is it going to be and some people do want to from the actual distance. I think he's going to be here, >> you know. But you know it's it's
>> so but for us in not not just us by the time this is a you know this is probably a 30 year 30 to 50 year problem today and now we're looking at another 30 to 50 years we're solving a 30 to 50 year problem because I know you know you guys
I don't see it anywhere in all your your information whites pond and this whole thing and most of the people that determined that we weren't going to use white when we should have originally no longer a vote or anything else because they're no one with us. That's that's
the age of the problem. That's not picking on anybody but you know most most people you know don't have any history in that. So I'm just kind of wondering that I mean we're not talking that much at the time but you know just a a general time.
Well, we're going to work with Justin to establish a a timeline for the upcoming work. Um, we can report back with that. We have already started diving into some things with Justin like the creation of social media graphics. We've taken a look at the web page and offered
insights and how to reorganize the web pages for the DPW site so that the information can be found easier um and is clear for our messaging to get people to those pages. Um, but we'll work on developing a timeline for suspension um
for your eyes. Um, just so you know, the capital improvement program where Jennifer and I first met back in 2009 is still ongoing in Brandon right now. >> It was only supposed to be 10 years ago. >> Well, I appreciate it. Depends on what
you have going on here, too, right? So, I think like there's stuff that we're going to do initially to kind of get you to a certain place and then we can back off and leave and and and you know, we'll get you on the track of where you want to be in terms of communications until maybe you have a high impact
project. You know, maybe you have something that's going to you know, like the treatment plan that's really going to have an impact that you really want to get the message out and in that case we'll come back. You know, that's kind of how it ends and flows. Um, I think we'll do some initial work and then there's stuff that you can handle on
your own that you don't need us for. Um, as much as we'd love to be here all the time, um, we understand municipal budgets and we understand municipal finance. So, we know that's not possible. Um, but if you have a big construction project that's going to, you know, have a significant impact on your small businesses, you may want us
to come back and do some more kind of targeted outreach. or if you have a water project that's going to, you know, have another high impact, you might want to stick to them in and so I think that's how it typically flows. >> We do a lot of different work. We're not ju it's not just community outreach and
engagement that we do. Um Jennifer helps on the the other side of the house with public finance and grants and things like that. So we do have a a significant following to maybe recruitment, you know, secession planning, a lot of different aspect. Our team does a lot of
different things for our community that we support. >> So you're not restricted to DPW water. >> No, no, we have a lot of different tools in our toolbox and are really we're very
fortunate to have the caliber of staff that we have. We have, you know, um, Bill, he's the retired, he's retired Foxar town manager. We recently hired Kevin Dumis, um, on staff. We have Blake Robinson,
um, Michael Gallagher. Those are on the town manager, town administrator levels. We also have, um, four DPW directors that are retired that work on our staff. Um, so when Justin says something and I don't want to be embarrassed in the room because I don't know what he said, I
write it down and I go to them and I'm like, "You guys exactly." Um, but they there are experts that have been through it as well and many of them have faced the same issues that Justin is facing now, whether it's an exceedence of total piling and PJ
um, you know, POS issues, any building a new treatment plant or even a public safety building. Our staff has been through it. I'm I'm a former PIO. Um I'm a record records access whatever we all wear a lot of different
so I was I was the first public information officer in Metro West um and all the surrounding communities. Um and then um Jennifer Leing and they gave me the title of web master and then they added that I was I feeled the most
record the year that Massachusetts changed to public records why I became fast friends with everyone in secretary gather this plethora of knowledge in my head about all things records
and information. >> Well, I want to thank you both for your time uh the presentation. I enjoyed it and I really am excited about the opportunity that we have to see how uh this can help us. But uh so thank you.
We look forward to seeing you. If we need to see you here, uh, feel free come back >> as many times as you want to >> Yeah, you guys probably move to >> All right. Uh, next item is capital
planning. Um, specifically this is directed towards the uh the charge for our municipal building advisory committee that we wanted to create. But before we get into that, I I did want to comment. I guess I could comment here rather than
wait till the end. But uh I wanted to express my thanks to all of us, but also to everybody who participated in the quad board on last Tuesday night or what night was it? Wednesday night. >> Wednesday. Yeah. Um, I thought the level
of discussion was great. I thought that the uh the entire effort was well worth it and almost seems like as much as I hate putting more ideas from meetings on there on our agenda.
I think perhaps we're going to need more conversations similar to that sort of tie it all together, bring it together. But anyway, um that's my thoughts. If anybody else wants to comment on on that meeting, feel free. This would be the opportunity because or cannot wait to
the end rather than wait. I agree. It was a great great form >> just it seemed different than your past ones we've had where we focus, you know, everybody starts arguing about um school budget and it wasn't >> I think the difference was it was kind
of data. It wasn't, you know, and and by the way, the schools weren't really there wasn't really much conversation about, you know, schools operating and that type of stuff. >> Yeah. which you know may have lessened that typical place we find ourselves sit
everyone with meetings ially about schools and school budgets but I I thought it was great you know and and I I do think that it was you know a uh a great idea to set a hard time because you know failing that we get off on tangents and that was kept to a minimum
so we we moved well and that was great anybody else have Uh, I agree. I found the the meaning to be very helpful. Um, try to find my own understanding on certain things, let alone what would hopefully helpful for
other people, too. Um, and I I guess I just want to see the conversations continue. >> I I have one question. A lot of old people around. Do we have a way to like magnify some of the things that we're looking at when we go to these meetings?
>> Oh, boy. I mean, you know, I have a little bar because it's right there. But for the most part, and not just not just our meeting, but in general, it's just a lot of people screening. You're really, you're kind of not. >> Yeah, you're right. >> That's why I always open my laptop because I can I can look here and I can
expand it and I can see it. I'm just, >> you know, I know that there's a lot of people that >> I couldn't really see it. So, I I kind of missed it a little and I'm just The fire station is sort of the best when it comes to the presentations because the screen is so big. But and um that's a good point.
>> But and I think that like you know Ben and Bill both groups we have all the information in front of us that trick >> but I don't know that everybody in the room knows that it's out there and available and easily easy to find and I don't know what or what not the
different um chairs and committee leaders share. I assuming not that I want to see a read of paper every time we would be a bad idea maybe to have >> you know a dozen or so present you know presentations of
someone can pick up and oh that's oh yeah paper copies of what we're looking I see I see what you mean that's a good idea I think um the budget subs are some of the clearest because we're online and so we're just looking at the same
spreadsheet that I'm talking to as I talk. So, it's like a webinar sort of presentation. But, um, that's great. We can print out stuff. >> Um, I thought it was I thought it was a fantastic meeting as well. Um, I think
well, the schools weren't digging $800,000 into their um, previous fiscal year's uh, reserve fund. So that eliminated the need to have some of the conversation that dominated last year's runup to town meeting. Uh and then the benefit there is we had more time to
talk about some of those big capital projects but also medium capital projects roofs HVAC envelope conversation that br that I'm looking right now that that Ben presented and that as Chris mentioned was a nice data driven in terms of you know here here's the staggering here's the year
conversation that we need to have each one of those things in or should have had it in if you're looking at some of the items that um were mainly in that DPW section. Um, and I think there's plenty of actions we can take without further discussion that we're pretty
well aligned with on. I think we're aware we need to well, I I would still advocate for forming a group to discuss the Gulf um building um specifically and and that whole property and the different uh potential future uses. Um,
I don't think anything I heard changed my opinion on um the structure or need for a building committee. Maybe it gave me a bit more of a sense of the details. Uh, I think we had some good conversations around the DPW
facilities. Do we want to flip the order of significant water and sewer infrastructure funding rel relative to a permanent uh DPW facility? And if we do, how do we get the DPW facility through the next 10 years or so while we put
that in? So, I think opening up that conversation has been very helpful and we should find time to continue that conversation in the in the next couple of months, I would say. Um, and then what do we do with Ben's plan there? I mean, are we going
to go for a fowler roof in the spring? Uh, which which you can read and see what's coming behind it or how do we start that education? So I think that conversation starts last week when we started it. So um those are just my thoughts. Just want to make sure we don't drop those. But all of those I think we can make progress on without
going back for a full conversation. So there's plenty of actions we can take based on the very healthy robust conversation last week. >> I agree. I I would love to see a group dedicated to thinking about the golf course issue whenever the time is right.
um that meeting. First, I want to commend both the capital planning committee and the finance committee for really thorough, fantastic presentations. Those were both great and really helpful and um I think really easy to understand
and it did feel like all of the committees, we were all rolling in the same direction in that meeting in a way that they don't know that we've been able to in the past. Sometimes people are working with different like foundational knowledge. So there's new information people are acquiring at the
moment always sticker shock on something meetings but it actually felt like everyone was sort of like okay yeah this is the basic information where do we go from here? Uh so I appreciated that. Um but yes also agree on the building committee language seems great and again
just would advocate for moving forward on something related to the golf course. Some some group that can take on assessing that situation. Yeah. Um, so the item on the agenda is specifically, although it's related to
what we just discussed, uh, specifically related to the charge for the building committee that would take on some of the discussion about what we talked about including the uh the facility over at the uh the golf course. Although the
general consensus that I got uh from that group anyway was that the desire is not to put much effort into keeping that building um weren't too much money into it anyway to >> certainly not to prioritize it over
maybe some more urgent essential services. Uh that was the sense I got that that you know people would be happy people would be okay with just you know eventually a a trailer
to run. I think having like a a concentrated group, I'm sorry, group to concentrate on golf course can be really helpful. And coincidentally, I'd spoken about the golf course, but about the sort of legality of the golf course and the
acquisition of it to members of the community preservation committee just the other day. And so that whole topic did come up like you need to sort of like get your feet under you legally correctly so that you can be prepared for whatever the next phase may be. And but although we sort of stopped
ourselves among that that small group before we really got into what is the future of the golf course but we we did touch on it to a degree to make sure that whatever is the sort of legal standing of how it was purchased was purchased using community preservation funds. So you have to be stay within the
confines of that um criteria. We but in back in 2011 when the special town meeting took place to use CPA funds to appropriate and acquire that it it it wasn't actually as limited. I think I mentioned this during that meeting on
Wednesday. So it wasn't as limited and that's very good because that means we could have this opportunity to say what could the what what is the future of the Gulf Ocean and it's not confined to just conservation or just recreation.
it also. Anyway, so that's great. I think um in relation to the golf course, I could come back to the board with like a proposed chart and and just see what you guys think about a very focused >> you we you are proposing a different
group than what we have >> because that's what I proposed at the meeting and tonight again because it's it's if it was just the building, I'd say the building committee would do it. And that's what I was thinking going into the quad board, but it's more about the building. It's about the entire Exactly. Right. >> Yeah. >> And and what are the conservation
restrictions? What's appropriate? >> Yeah, we definitely >> What box is that? >> We definitely need to have an understanding of what our restrictions. >> Yeah, there's the restrictions, but then there's also there are vested stakeholders beyond the people who are in that room. >> A lot of community input is going to be needed for for that. >> Yeah, good idea. Yeah, sure. Sure, I
could do I mean like and there's no there's no really nothing wrong with starting a group now for that because eventually my contract with Sterling will start is coming to a close or it's not like the building is getting better. So it's it's important to have and give
them some runway when it comes to developing recommendations to come to this body. >> So I can do that in regards to um the charge. I didn't I don't know any I so the the the direction for the board in the last meeting was that let's use Wednesday's meeting and reflect on it to
see if there's any edits or revisions to the proposed charge. I had read it a number of times since and I'm trying to figure out what revisions could exist. So right now the charge says to advise the select board and that's key. That was that was the direction I got. of the
work. I wanted it to be report to you to advise the select board on scheduling financial estimates design and supervision of construction including reconstruction alteration and loging. I'm trying to capture anything building municipal building projects and a development annual submit via the capital planning committee and updated
longrange building maintenance capital plan for all municipal buildings. Oh, this is something I did take out. I removed with the exception of MSBA projects because I feel like it's important to identify how MSBA projects in this case the elementary school and
the roof falls into the greater scheme because we're still at the end of the day we're talking about cost of living. So whether it be from your exclusion as reflected on your tax tax bill or your water bill or your sewer bill,
that all needs to be discussed and sort of have a grasp on and I think that's what this group should also be looking at. I didn't want them to stop because it has school in the title of the project. >> Okay. Yeah, I think it after that discussion
and after you know having all of us weigh in I I'm fine with this charge as anybody else have any comments all the changes that make sense to me my concern still is do we have the people to build such a group
>> yes that was >> that's step two >> that's a great question I I don't that's a great question we won't know until we asked. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> So would it make sense to uh in this process to to try to approach
some people that we do know to get their feedback on this kind of a I mean I think we could all probably come up with two or three names right away of people we're familiar with and then with a bit of luck there are other people who are not yet on our radar who might be
interested. Um but I I do worry um that whether or not we've reached saturation for the number of people who are prepared to serve on on our committees. I don't know that. I I just uh it's a concern. >> Well, only we had a public relations committed.
>> I think we probably did that. Yeah, I mean >> Chris mentioned last time I think green meadow activities starting to wind down in that individual with relevant experience. >> That's right. So I think that's what
you're saying last time. Correct. >> Yeah. No, I think yeah we talk when we talk about that I think that there will be some people that you know will not I don't know when that committee ends but that's probably two years off. >> Yeah. But, you know, it's two years and I mean, you know, we most people are
still committed to that, >> but it's rolling. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's Oh, and I That's true. We added one member. >> Yeah. >> So, so the scheduled the proposed plan to open now is not this coming Christmas
vacation, the following Christmas vacation. >> That's right. So, that's January of 2027. >> That's right. >> So, you know, that's at a minimum that's when of those people would be available to sit 11 communities. >> Theoretically, we're kind of in like I
[clears throat] guess this is relevant to the agenda, Mr. Chair, because it is the topic on the agenda, but that like we're kind of in like this is construction. this is like the bulk of the of the timeline and as I recall from the fire station like the work is just happening and and like there's a little bit of likeation sort of like we talk
about a battery storage if need be but like otherwise it's the work is according to plan and then at the end of the project it gets a little dicey because there's a lot of change orders and there's a lot of like oh this thing didn't actually fit the way we wanted to or like this product couldn't come in on time so we need to switch to this product that gets really tricky and then
to and then to close out the project is really hard too but that a lot is internal to me and and like staff because we're trying to like negotiate with the contractor. >> Otherwise, it's like >> is it appropriate or is it possible or
is it recommended that you ask when you start to build a committee like this that has a very specific um charge, right? And and purpose. >> Yeah. >> That you as such you you seek out people that
have some guidance in this rather than we typically don't do that types and not you know it's the nature of being a small town yeah the same 20 people raise a hand and you kind of pick who the CP I 100% agree I think you
should have like an act of recruitment for it but it's probably going to be a combination of both like I'm I'm this is a public meeting so this will be this will be known that this this will be existing um in the next day or two we'll put it online saying like hey if you're interested come fill out this. It's on
the website right now. You can fill it out right now. Just then just fill out your interest and then maybe a little bit of vetting process. Maybe um we reach out to people who are interested be like, "Do you really know what this involves? Have you ever served on a board committee?" If not, that's great. But just so you know, like there's
there's public meeting records and there's open like do you know what this means? And then um what is truly key and I think in any board or committee or body is a leader. need someone that is gonna be the person showing up and and
you know get the team together. Um that's tough. That's be the hardest that's always the hardest >> of of this particular longterm >> longterm ongoing. Yes, that is always >> and and to be honest and and to to
Jeff's point, guys coming off of the the green metal committee, it it you know, it would seem to me that like most of the people that have that mindset, skill set to lead a committee like this or a committee like we met or you know, some
of the others is they're all doing something. They're all otherwise engaged. some what 200ish some odd volunteers on boards and committees in meter. I don't know. That's probably >> that's probably a good >> making that spreadsheet. Last summer,
>> I think it's in the neighborhood of that. >> 30 or 40. >> So, yeah. And if you extend out to like volunteer parent organizations, whatever, it's a town of over 10,000 people. So, I think we tend to end up in a little bit of an echo chamber. Yeah. And so, we end up with the same people and the same 200 volunteers are like,
nah, I'm gonna stick with no one. Like, I'm not going to do that new thing. that >> there there probably are people out there who would be interested and who have the knowledge and and skill set for this >> um and you know the time and and diligence and all the things that we
need. So I think >> we it maybe feels like we're limited to the people who currently step up but you know I I don't know that there necessarily is nobody else. Um and I think that we I agree with you. You do want a mix of people who have done this before, but you know, new blood is
always a good thing. >> Oh, yes. I I've been impressed with all Yeah. They're a lot of our body step up for this because they're like, we just want to do something. >> Yeah. Let's recruit >> and if we end up taking somebody from one of these other committees and we
find somebody with less experience but who still eager and we can plug them into a more experienced committee and they gain experience and then we take some people who have some experience to start up a new one. Then >> that's right. >> That's uh >> that's good talent management. >> That's right.
>> Uh yeah, this will be an interesting group. Also, this is this this body is is advisory. So although this charge does have a a expectation of rule report to the capital planning committee, it is not um regulatory. So it doesn't require
like they're I'll you know kind of unless the board says otherwise like leave it up to them about how often they're going to be. >> Yeah. they there's a sort of like season to a lot of this work. So there might be long periods of time there's not much to do or they individualize their own research and then sort of you know bring
it together at some point similar to the capital planning committee. >> Um so Mr. Sure. >> Yeah. I would uh ask the board if there wants to be a motion. One one of the hesitencies I have this evening and I wouldn't mention any names because I don't >> Yeah.
>> I don't want it to come out on a public meeting though. We haven't recommended you for this. I have some people in mind that I think but I don't know if they'd be interested in this. >> How about you send them my way? >> And if anyone has any ideas, send them to me because that this is something
I've done on multiple occasions where I sort of actively cold call. Um or and I and I highly encourage if and if and when this is on the website, people should call me and be like, "What is this about?" I've gotten coffee with people to either persuade or dissuade
them from from what they think they know or don't know about what this board or committee or what it does and um yeah, I'm I would I'm actively trying to recruit. >> Yeah. Okay. So, please we can get them out.
>> So, just good one. Just clarifying the appointment is technically by the board, right? By the select board. >> Oh, yeah. This is your body. This >> Yeah. Just want to make sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Move to approve the chart and municipal building advisory committee as presented.
>> Second. >> Any further comments? All in favor? >> Okay. We're on our way. >> Uh Greg, any developments on the budget and the grand scheme?
Uh, not much. No. So, so um it's it's that time of year where I need to carve out of most of my days to spreadsheets. Um, >> what's the next budget subcommittee meeting? Must be in a couple of weeks. >> It's the what? Second Wednesday in December.
>> That's good benchmarking, >> which is like 11 >> as I prepare for those meetings. >> I just looked at it today, >> but that's okay. When >> Yeah. the 10th. Yeah. The 10th. So after I stuff my face of turkey and mashed potatoes and all that, I will probably
have to do a lot of study all in the town of administrator's office of spreadsheets. Um but that's okay. That's that's this that time of year and the departments are have submitted or or not are submitting their their budget request and this this is where it all has to get massaged. So no nothing significant to report right now, Mr.
Chair. Um >> all right. >> Yeah, I went over the highlights the other day. Yeah, the the highlights we saw last week. I think, you know, we're where we thought we were and >> so Okay. Uh, next item is senior center. Uh, well, we noticed we didn't have a
executive session this morning, so this earlier this this evening, so I assume we're status quo negotiations and discussions with council. >> Okay. So, uh, any questions from anybody on that? >> All right. Green Meadow, Chris or Mike,
anything to pass along? Um, other than that, the project is progressing pretty quickly. Got a report. If you see the pictures, you'll see a lot of the building has been closed now. Should be buttoned up for
the winter. It seems to be progressing well. No way of any glitches or problems at the moment. >> Ask a question. I saw recently um was actually in an old manor and man this is from over the summer but somebody stole
like a bunch of copper off of that site. >> Was it this site or was it the new well >> Green Meadow? I think >> I thought it was Green Meadow. Unless the main art boys had it wrong. >> I don't know. >> But I don't know. I'm just curious. >> We had an issue
>> at ours. It said off Tiger Drive. So maybe it wasn't that construction site >> because the new walls >> the new walls behind Tiger Dra >> the new I'll look into it. >> Yeah. I just was curious because it was not in any of our I don't think it was
in a Green Meadow building report to this but it may not have been that con I assumed it was that construction project because Wills has thousands of dollars worth of copper on Tiger Drive. Um >> and and it was reported by >> it was reported to the police. It was in the police lot.
>> Oh okay. that I think it was like $5,000 worth of copper was stolen off the site. >> This doesn't even sound familiar at a green metal school building committee. I will look at this. >> Maybe it wasn't Green Meadow. It's if you go back and look at Mayor Voice I think September it's in there or
obviously Chief Toron which pipe they're even going to use in that >> it might not. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about, you know, I would be shocked if they weren't using glasses.
I don't know. I never heard it. That's interesting. >> Well, there said the market basket, too. >> Huh? >> I said there's going on in market basket. >> That's right. Uh, all right. So that's
it for the green metal compensation. Um correspondence. We have uh what two items. The golf course report. Speaking of the golf course to accept correspondences A and B as
any questions or comments in favor. >> All righty. Uh we have two sets of minutes from September 16th and November 12th. to approve the meeting minutes September 16th and November 12, 2025 as shown.
Authorizing these digital signatures if approved second comments on those minutes hearing none administrator report. That's me. Um thank you Mr. Chair. Couple things um
was a cold but successful and productive Veterans Day. So I was I was grateful to be a part of it. My children were too, although I think they were more grateful for the hot chocolate afterwards. >> They they paid their dues and then uh but I I I very much congratulate and I
I'm sorry if I'm stealing your thunder, but I'm sure you would agree. Um I very much appreciate all the hard work that our veteran service officer put into Peter Harbell. Um yeah, he he really really goes above and beyond for all those events in particular and the veterans and their families and their
legacies and uh really really proud to have him on our team. Um okay. Uh I met with representatives of U Bill and May today um along with representatives of the Maynard Historical Commission and to
go over the conditions and and what might be the um response of the mill owners and and management to the condition of the clock tower itself. Um they are very aware of the conditions of the clock tower. They have already engaged with vendors to uh develop a
maintenance plan. We are in the winter season, so it's difficult to do any access or exterior work the spring. Um the those members of the historical commission seem to sort of to be very accepting of those challenges. Um um
here's one issue. Uh that's an old clock and uh it's hard to find people that know how to fix that thing. Now they have identified what the issue with the clock is now but um uh actually the the mill representatives at the historical commission for advice as to how to find
someone to fix the clock. Um >> that problem I assume is an internal problem inside >> like that's what I mean it is there's a spring or something to that effect that it's like >> a lot of old clocks in Massachusetts. >> That's what I thought. >> Somebody knows how to fix >> that's what I said too. Um there has to
be but it's very niche so it's it's Town Hall has a problem with their clock right now. It's being >> really [clears throat] >> Yes. Uh they actually their town hall clock is not working. >> Okay. >> Act. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Well, that's good. That's good. There's several guys in town who have been the keepers of that clock >> and they're in discussion with those guys. But um it's uh it's also a dying breed. It's there's just not not many um >> they probably voted a lot of things.
Yeah, they took us up there one year. We took the board up there, your office, and they walked us up there. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I haven't been, but it's um So, anyways, it was good. I just bring it up to say that like I get emails from the public as I'm sure maybe you do too. Yes, I am aware of it. Yes,
I am in discussions with the Millow. They are very much aware of it. They want the clock to work. They want the facade to look good. It is part of their business sort of attractiveness. So, um and they intended to look so good to attack. Okay. And then um um I was
grateful to be a part of the mock interviews with the Maynard High School seniors today. I am always shocked at how impressed and like I I'm sorry. I am always impressed and shocked about how accomplished and smart and
>> mature and busy the the seniors of Mayor High are. I can't I am I am always in awe of what they of what they present. >> Is that early in the school year for that? >> No. >> Isn't it usually like >> presentations are >> Yeah. This was the Okay. Okay.
>> This helps them prepare your project. >> No, no. Okay. >> My understanding this helps them prepare for college resumes. So they have to make a resume. So it helps them for applications and then interviews with with those or like employers. Um anyways, fantastic. And uh I think I get
more out of it than they do, but that's maybe that's just it. It's great. Any um and then lastly, I want to go over since the season. So um town hall, town offices, we go through a series of closures. So um we're crazy enough to try to plan a breakfast next week uh for
staff. So we'll close town hall on Tuesday from 8:30 to 10:30 next week. And then uh the next day, Wednesday noon, starts the Thanksgiving closure. So that's noon on Wednesday the 26th through Friday the 28th. This is all kind of standard. We do this every
year. Um annual holiday party for town staff. That's Tuesdays, December 16th from 11:00 a.m. to 1 p.m. Again, town town offices are closing there in that 2-hour block. And then uh we'll kick Christmas at noon on Wednesday the 24th. That's Christmas Eve through Friday the
26th. And then New Year's uh Thursday, January 1st. So it's not that Wednesday closure. It's just Thursday, Friday, New Year's January 1st and Friday the second. >> There you go, Mr. Journalist. There's questions. That's what I had. >> Uh question. Um are members of the board
welcome to just stop by just thank you at the breakfast. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I guess so. >> Sure. That would be great. >> I am >> Don't walk away with a whole pie, but you can have >> I would love that day. I would love to come in >> say thank you and if any of the other
members are available please >> what remind me Tuesday reason >> Tuesday yeah Wednesday morning >> do a Thanksgiving breakfast we've been doing it for >> so eight or seven I don't know so someone
not me makes pancakes uh that's we don't have to do that but it's like one of the things that that gets done we've done pie contests we've done >> pie baking contest Um, >> and the staff brings other things. >> Yeah, >> just like >> it's very Thanksgiving. It's very fun
together and help each other. >> It's mandatory fun >> scheduled 8:30 to 10:30. Is there a time I you know I wouldn't want to have us barge in at the wrong >> not have any time between 8:30 and 9. I give a
little like, "Thank you so much for coming even though I told you to come here." Um, at about 8:45. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, maybe not. >> Does that indicate? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's in here. >> Yeah. Because we don't like the library staff isn't even open yet. The
firefighters usually swing by, eat, run. >> The police come by, they eat, run. So, like this usually fits just the town staff in here. >> Yeah. >> All right. Okay. >> Anybody else think they might want to come? I I'm available so I should be able to make it. So
>> are we allowed to come hungry? >> Yeah, >> we haven't like figured out the full details yet. We've been in we've been uh on our mostly her seasonal union negotiations, but good news on all those funs. We're making a lot of progress. So today was a big day for union
negotiations, which that's great. Which allows us to sort of like shift focus now to fun stuff. >> Okay. Thank you for asking about that. I I hope I would plan on being >> great. >> Thank you. >> That's where I'll uh anyway. So that's
it. >> Thank you. >> All right. Uh I guess it's chair report. First off, we need to find a time that works for all of us for the active meeting with our uh our colleagues over
in active. um a date was proposed in December, but uh we learned that not everybody could be there. But I think this meeting is one that I would want all of us to be at because I think it's appropriate that we all have the opportunity to meet them, meet with them
and share ideas and let them know who we are and we can know who they are. Uh so I don't I don't know if we necessarily need to come up with a date tonight, but maybe for our next meeting if we can uh come in with a date sometime probably
January now is we're going to be looking at >> I won't be here for the month of January. >> You won't >> I'm good till I'm good till December 24th. >> So you like so like midFebruary well I guess we December we're talking >> I could do December or you know the end
of year. It's tough because the two it's two boards. So like that's the hard part in the middle. >> Yeah. I didn't I'm just not here >> because they've got to match. They've got to be able to be there too >> and I suspect they're going to want to have the same type of situation where they're available and we are available
and our calendar is filling up even with our own 15th. We got don't want to have our own meeting on the 16th. >> So we're probably moving out of December. That would push us into January. Chris isn't going to be here. I mean, if they have similar if they have similar time challenges.
>> Yeah, I'm sure they do. >> Then it's I mean, what's why wouldn't we do it in the Zoom? I if that's up to you, but I mean certainly I you know I don't know if anyone in their group has issues, but it's
>> we could do it we could do it on on a hybrid although I I would prefer in person just because of the type meeting that it is. But I, you know, if the only way we're going to get all of us together is a hybrid Zoom type meeting, then maybe that's what we need to do. >> Ask them their thoughts, Greg. Zoom
meeting. >> That's a good question. I'm not >> given given just people's travel schedule and everything else during over the holiday season. >> That's a good question. But I should be back here like 26, January 26. >> Okay. And and what are the main goals of
the meeting? just really to learn learn what the what Aton's main issues are, what our main issues are, if there is any way that we can work together on uh any projects, if there is any ideas that they have to share with us that we have to share with them and just really sort
of get to know who they are, what we are, and what what our needs are. Um when we had that meeting with them back in whenever it was August, >> Yeah. Um, we we specifically talked that
meeting about started with DPW issues, but then it went as we spoke more, we learned that there is there are issues we have in common we might be able to work with together. Even even one of the issues that came up was long-term potential when we're talking about 15,
20 years for a senior center type deal um that might work or that might be an idea. Um but any type of things it's really just to talk but get to know who they are, get to learn [clears throat] what potential issues exist that we
could share from climate change approaches that we talked about that meeting. Uh things that we have to worry about that they might have to worry about u as well that we could work together on u those types of issues.
Uh the next item that I wanted to talk about was thanking everybody for participation at veterans the veterans day event that Greg talked about. I really think they did a good job at putting that together and I very much appreciate the effort that obviously
went into making doing the research on the families that were uh that were honored as well as just every year the parade and and whatever all the effort that goes into it. DPW that come together, the police that come together to help us out, all of them should be
done. And then lastly, I say this every year. Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday. Um, and we will not be meeting until after Thanksgiving is over. But, uh, I wish all of my colleagues, everybody in the room, uh, happy
Thanksgiving and, uh, that hopefully we have an opportunity to enjoy our families and friends and loved ones to enjoy the day. So, that is it for me. and we'll start with Mike. >> Thank you. Yeah. Um again, appreciation
also for the uh turnout and the participation in the Veterans Day parade. It's a very special event obviously. Um just a couple of updates. One um Abby Barrett uh from uh working with
OS as uh she and others have been working on a document about the Asabet River. Um the idea being that with especially with the new apartments going in down in Actton, there's a lot more people going to be close to the river
and so they're taking this opportunity to really try to educate a lot more people in the region about the river, what it offers as a resource, background information about it. So uh hopefully we will see the final version of that soon
but just wanted to commend uh Abby and her team for what they're doing there. And similarly also uh the sustainability committee um have begun work on a more detailed
climate action plan um which is uh going to need to fit in obviously with other plans that are also um part of our process. Um but again just recognizing that there's a lot of work that these people are putting in uh on the behalf
of the towns. So we will see more in the coming weeks. Um but just given a heads up that that's the kind of work that's going on. >> Fabulous. >> Yeah. Um I'll add my thanks to everybody who helped with the Veterans Day uh ceremony. I thought the um additional um
the the medal ceremony was quite touching with the reading out of um you know each soldier's experience um and I thought people brave the weather quite well for an unusually cold day. So thank you to everybody uh who helped put that together. Uh, I also had the opportunity
to attend uh Kate Hogan's uh PI fundraiser um following with Jamie Eldridge having the attorney general. Uh with Kate Hogan having the lieutenant governor here in Mayard, it's great to see some high-profile individuals come through. Chris did a great job with his introductory remarks for the lieutenant
governor. Uh and it was good just to see a good turnout and for Maynard specifically to be the um the place where these events and gatherings happen. It's good to see a lot of people come in from outside of town as well uh and get to see the town. >> No, I was saying Jamie had his a few
weeks before, but so I'm saying we got the attorney. >> They hit a different thing. >> He told me it was kind of like me. I know you guys.
>> He said, >> "I'm going to kill. I'm going to kill Griffith." >> It was a Jamie's hat guy that he told me, but it was a nice event. >> Well, regardless of who was there, it
was >> or what town. They happened to be at the time. They did a good job as the lieutenant governor. That's uh it for me. I um unfortunately will not be able to make our next regularly scheduled meeting on the second. I'll be um occupied with work.
So miss you all there. >> What? This is your work. >> Yeah. This is the job that doesn't pay me. >> Yeah. >> This is the experience. >> Go ahead, Lindsay. >> Um I really don't have much. Um welcome to some new businesses. Alden Hollow
just opened on Mason Street. It's like I haven't been in it yet, but I've heard great things. Like a little gift store. Um, >> is it a mother and daughter? >> Yes. Mother, it's a mother and daughter. >> And they donate a portion of their proceeds to a nonprofit that I think benefits people with hearing loss. Maybe
I might be getting that wrong, but it something along those lines. And I've heard lovely things about it. Um, and uh, want to remind everybody, come into the holiday shopping season, do all your shopping in downtown Maynard. You
can you can get everything you need pretty much. I do most of my Christmas shopping in Maynard. Um, the exception of my kids. So, I encourage all of us to to give a thought. >> That's it. >> That's all. >> Oh, yeah. No. Um I know that um Kate
really appreciates our participation in her event. She said so afterwards and I appreciate her asking me to um introduced the lieutenant governor who had I thought she was um great, you know, having not really been in her presence much other than just standing
around more healing spoke. So that was that was kind of funny and interesting. But um yeah, I know she appreciate it. I I very much enjoy the Veterans Day parade and all the festivities that's around Veterans Day and most of the other parades that we do.
The only critique I would have is that if we're going to um introduce families and veterans and others for um such a high-profile award or something. >> Yeah. >> Could we at least pronounce their names correctly?
>> Sure. It's so it's it's Stanley Toml not Stanley Toml number one. He couldn't pronounce Sakalowski. There's 185 of them in town. He called him Salowski or something, you know. I mean, take the time because when I sat in David's chair
or anywhere else I'm going to speak, if there's a name I don't know, I I asked, "How do I pronounce your name?" >> He didn't pronounce one name correct. Okay. >> It's it's it pisses me off. Okay. that we can't take the time to honor veterans
appropriately on simply pronouncing their names correctly. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I know Polish names are tough to pronounce and that's basically what you know, half of the people who are Polish people that grew up in this town, live in this town and sacrifice for the country. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The least we can do is pronounce any correct.
>> I got and it's not the veteran service officer. >> No, I don't. >> Was doing the reading Yeah. >> that I mean to to sit there and call Victor to Vic Tom's brother. >> Yeah. Stanley Tomlin 10 times in the in the threeminut paragraph that you read. >> That's just embarrassing. I'm actually
shocked the two sisters going here tonight to say something themselves because they did say something like I ran into one of them my confessor to go here it comes and I'm like trying to get to the other side. But I know I was afraid she was going to hit me, but you know she
he was saying yeah, but then he says he introduces her with the correct name. So he introduces her as Tom but continuously called Stanley Tomlin. >> I don't know. I I got you though. >> It's I know it's not our responsibility
and it's someone else but that's just irritating. I don't know how the families feel about it, but you have to be able to pronounce people's name correctly. That's it. Watch your little key.
And again, happy Thanksgiving birthday. >> Happy birthday, Greg. >> Thank you. >> What's that? We were gonna sing to you. >> Oh, >> perfect.
>> Good even included in the minutes. >> All right. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> I move to second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> Good night. Have a good night.