Pledge of Algiance to the flag of the United States to the Republic and justice for all. >> Thank you everybody for joining us this evening. Uh the first item on our agenda is public comments and I welcome those
of you online as well as those in the room. The board would like to hear public comments and if there's further action that's required by the board will add the matter as appropriate to a future agenda. Depending upon the comment we may if we're able within the
confines of the open meeting law respond with information as opposed to needing to deliberate on the matter. Um, so I will ask here in the room, is there anybody that has any public comments that they'd like to express? Feel free
to step up. I don't see anybody. Is there anybody online that has any public comments? Just raise your remote hand. And I will recognize you. I don't see anybody jumping to speak. So, thank you. We will move on.
Next item on the agenda is the uh consent agenda which consists of two cemetery deeds. Is there a motion? >> Move to approve the consent agenda items A and B as presented. Intention upon adherence to all federal, state, and local public health and safety items and
authorizing the use of digital signatures. >> Any questions or comments? Hearing none, we can vote. All in favor pass asks unanimously. Thank you. Uh the next item is item three is 115 Main Street status
of the prominade. >> Mr. Chair, actually the appointment >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Yeah, we we switched it. >> Um yes, we will go now to the uh appointment. Um Mayor Police Department, we're always happy to have an appointment. Come on up, Chief. And
Joshua Wardena. >> Yes, sir. >> Welcome. Thank you. >> And if the name sounds familiar, it's because we recently hired his nephew in the last round of hire. He's Anthony. So >> yeah. So take it away, chief.
>> All right. So thank you. I appreciate I know it was changing agenda. So thank you for accommodating us and have us uh on the agenda for tonight. So, um, here tonight to formally recommend Josh Podanka for appointment as a full-time police officer with the main police
department. Based on Josh's performance during the interview process, my review of his qualifications, professional background, and personal attributes, I'm confident that Josh possesses the skills, demeanor, and dedication required to serve our community with distinction. Mr. Monk brings more than a decade of
law enforcement experience and a strong record of professional service to this position. holds a bachelor's degree in criminal justice from Salem State University and is a graduate of the MPTC local police academy. Throughout his career, served in both campus and mun municipal law enforcement settings while
also maintaining strong commitment to volunteerism, community involvement, which gives him a well-rounded perspective on modern policing, community engagement, something we value here in Maine very much. Mr. So Benaki began his career as Lar State University Police Department in 2013 and has served with the Cocket Police
Department since 2015. During his tenure in Cocket, he's held numerous specialized assignments and leadership responsibilities including field training officer, detective, armorer, and fleet manager. These assignments demonstrate both his versatility and the confidence his
department placed in throughout his career. Mr. presents the skills presents himself as a professional, articulate and personable person. His experience, communication skills, and commitment to integrity and public service make him an excellent candidate to the main police department. After reviewing his
background, training and work history, I believe he'll be a valuable addition to our organization will serve the mayor residents with professionalism and dedication. Based on all the above, it's I respectfully recommend that Josh should be appointed as a full-time police officer man.
>> Thank you, Chief. And uh it's good to see, you know, we we've done some stealing from conquered lately. It's good to see it coming in our direction going in the other direction, which we've experienced in the past. And so we
know from uh from the chief that u we're we're getting good people when we've got the conquered police department ahead of us and good training for mayor. Thank you. Um any questions or comments from the board?
>> No. >> Chris said it on the interview today. >> This one um you know communication snap you snap. I was unavailable. >> You missed this is the first one I missed in a while. >> Yeah. So I'm sure you've heard good things
from your nephew. >> All right. Uh if there aren't any questions we can move ahead with an appointment. I will move to appoint Joshua Gordena as an officer in the Maynard Police Department for an indefinite term beginning June 8th, 2026 authorizing use
of digital signatures if approved. >> Second. Motion is made and seconded. All in favor? >> Then we have a second motion. >> Do uh go ahead. Move to appoint Joshua Bordena as a local licensing authority agent with a term starting June 8th,
2026 and ending June 30th, 2026, authorizing use of digital signatures if approved. >> Second. >> Any further questions? All in favor? >> Great. Congratulations. >> Thank you very much.
Thank you. Good luck. Congratulations. Good luck. Thank you, officers. >> Thank you. Good to see you. >> All right. Um, sorry about my missing item three. Item four is now we're going to get to the status of the prominant at
115 Main Street. And I see that Mr. McDonald was on. There he is. Hi, Jim. How are you? >> Good. James McDonald, McDonald Development. Good to see you sir. Uh we are
interested in getting a little bit of a status from you um M. McDonald on this the prominade and the development of it and when you may expect or when we may expect to see it finalized. We are I think I speak on behalf of the board to
express that uh we're pleased to see some progress over there which uh seems to have picked up which is nice and so I appreciate it. So if you can give us a little bit of insight into where things are at what your expectations are going forward we appreciate it.
Yeah, as you know, we got started in the spring and uh right now the um it stands that there's a lot of work done. U all the system in the ground is all done and
backfilled for a while and um we put the rail up along the river. I think most people in town have seen da walk by or drive by and uh we're working on a long
uh drain that goes almost the whole length of the prominade. We're working on that as we speak. Um we're working on posts to make the fence between the prominade and the parking lot. We got
the parking lot, the first coat of black top on it. And um that's about where it's at. It's a little difficult for me to tell you um when I will be finished because there's
always things that come up. But like I expressed to a couple of people um including someone on the board, no one wants this job done anymore than me. So, you know, I can't tell you how many
reasons why. So, we're going as fast as we can. We work there every day and uh we'll finish as soon as we can. >> Thank you. Um you mentioned at the beginning of your comments that you know most people have seen it which is why
the board at least some of us came aware of what's going on because the residents were a bit concerned because there was you know that that is a prominent place in town it's got you know and it had fencing up and everything else and people like what the heck when are we going to see some progress over there so
that's why there was some concern raised and I certainly appreciate the progress that I've seen you know we've sent people over for some photographs and gotten them back. And I've I stopped over there Saturday morning to take a look, see where things were at as I was picking up my dry cleaning. So, I
appreciate where we're at, but I will ask board members if there's any questions that anybody may have relative to status. >> Nothing for me. >> I have one question. Um, is there anything currently outstanding from the
town that you need to accomplish the work? Did you hear the question, gentlemen? >> Yes, I heard it. No, nothing outstanding from the town. >> Great. >> All right. Uh, so what I guess the
expectation that I will set from myself is that we see continued progress and that indeed, you know, I would hope that we don't lose a full season of summertime for people being able to enjoy it. as soon as possible. As long as it's
done well. Oh, I'll be right with you, Mr. Deiata. I'll be with you in a second. I I see your hand up. Um, as long as it's done well and within the constraints of what our building
inspector wants, the temporary bill or whatever the official term is. >> Yep. uh and the DPW folks, whatever they need um to meet our needs. As long as it all meets that and it's done in a timely manner, um hopefully we don't have to
have you back to ask you where things are at again. Um Mr. Damiano, please. I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> You're muted, sir. Still muted. Mr. Diana, if you hold down the space bar, it should automatically unmute you
and you can talk. Just hold it down. Don't >> hold down the space bar. >> Poor Mario. >> All right. >> There you go, man. >> Okay. Um, so, uh, I'm just I'm representing the roadway safety committee. We just had a
a basic question about the, um, restoration of Walnut Street and Main Street intersection in terms of, um, painting those crosswalks and putting in the um, the ADA u curb ramps.
So, our question really is, you know, obviously we anticipate getting that done as quickly as possible as well. Um, Why couldn't both those projects be done in parallel uh rather than series as it appear appears to again like u the board
we would like to be able to get this work done in the summer so that any traffic issues could be u mitigated on top of anything the developer has to do to restore the intersection. So could these things be done in parallel?
>> We've got our DPW director here. Is there any correlation between the project itself? Is it tied in to the project itself? And if so, can you explain? Come on up. >> Hello, Justin Mark, public director. I think what Mario is asking is based on
the special permit. So there's conditions tied to the overall special permit for the development 115 where um 88 handicap ramps on both uh main street side and across the street on Walnut Strike on Walnut Street side which is
really the park the brick walkway. >> Both 88 ramps needed to be reconstructed. Um the developer reconstructed one side which is adjacent to the to the facility. The other side still needs to be reconstructed. Within that, there's also a condition for a full restoration of crosswalk painting
on both Main Street crossing and Walnut Street crossing. During the project, there was also temporary crosswalk placed across from CVS and Boston Bean. As you may recall, when the applicant was demolishing the previous existing building, that demolition impacted the
sidewalk and the entire sidewalk in front had to be closed down, which created that temporary crossing that needs to be um ground out, blacked out because it is only a temporary crosswalk. Those are conditions that are part of the site plan special permit. Um that is outside the realm of the
prominade. As you know, the prominade's also part of the special condition, but that has a different criteria. DPW just does the inspections. So I think what Mario is asking is what the totality of the project I guess. But I don't want to >> who's um who's responsible for doing the
curb cut on the other side the ADA compliant? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> That's part of the question. >> Mr. McDonald, are you able to answer that question? >> He signed up. Steve, do you have a telephone for the McDonald's?
>> So, that's another issue of concern relative to the project. >> We can bring that up, but we but you know, the McDonald's do know that the whole project requires the approval of the public works department. So we've been and Wayne I mean you go the town
engineer goes down both Tuesdays just sort of like from a distance like an arms length just sort of mon we're not trying to compete on the work but we are have a best interest obviously on behalf of communities to make sure that part that ties directly into our so
>> that becomes a public safety issue >> like what if what if it's like three years from now that that gets completed >> well we can I don't I don't have I don't have a sense of that's the case if that I don't I don't think we would let them go three years. Not that I want to speak
for Jimmy or anyone else in that line of work, but typically line painting and finishing work is the last thing to occur. It did not >> in this type of correct it could be. >> It was the last thing to happen on the corner of Wallam and um Parker Street.
It's the last thing to happen on other buildings built in town. It was the last thing to happen at um 129 Parker. That's the last thing to happen is the painting of lines in in sidewalks. So you have to fix
>> the goes along with it. The last part of the >> I'll like quote unquote the finishing work. >> You you could argue that I think what Mario is indicating is why can't both happen in parallel. Both both one is one is a critical function of public safety.
So there's an opening of the restaurant now where where so Mario can speak for himself but we're getting a lot of feedback from residents indicating public safety issue going to the wine >> right can I just comment >> so one at a time please
>> okay go ahead >> go ahead >> okay just briefly um so uh that particular interse so we have identified all the intersections in town and I identified the the top five crash risk intersections So Maine and Walnut ranks
just outside the top five at sixth in terms of pure volume of crashes. U in addition to that the uh number of crashes this year in Maynard is well ahead of last year 20%. So in other words it's not typically a stable situation here. I think you are looking
at a rather uh fluctuating circumstance where we think Maine and Walnut is particularly high risk and should be addressed in parallel if it's at all possible. Thank you. >> Mr. McDonald, you uh you missed part of
what was going on. You're you're muted. Thank you. Um you missed part of what was going on. First, I wanted to finish my comment which was just that you know people recognized that the project was sort of stagnant and had asked us to at least me to look into it and that's how
this all came up. But then Mario just raised a question about the crosswalk, which I think you heard the beginning of, and uh how that aspect of this project, which obviously raises some public uh safety concerns, when you
would anticipate being able to complete the crosswalk aspect and whatever portions of that crosswalk that are associated with your responsibility, which I think from what Justin said includes the uh repainting of the crosswalk itself and then some regrading
of the sidewalk or redoing of the sidewalk. >> Yeah, it's a 88 ramp needs to be reconfigured across the street. >> Yeah. >> Uh so yeah, if you can give us a little heads up on where that where that aspect is. Appreciative. >> My plan was to finish
the prominade and then do the um crosswalk and the handicapped access onto the sidewalk. um you know do the hand the excess on and then paint the lines. I could probably look into painting the lines
before. Um I I'll have to look at the plan and see if it makes any sense. Uh because it went back and forth a few times on how the lines would line up with what and I think we got it squared
away now. So, uh, I'll look at the plan to see where it's at and I if if I have no obstacles, then I'll paint the line, you know, as soon as we can get them painted. >> Yeah. I think there's also an issue with the handicapped accessibility ramp on
the far side of the store. Not on not on the side of the building, but on the far side. >> Right. That's that's >> Mario's outline of the fact that this is the fifth most critical intersection from a safety perspective in the community. When you have pedestrians
crossing and now you have outside seating at that location, it becomes critical to have that done as soon as possible. >> Okay. And so I guess the question would be what is as soon as possible? Question
was asked while you were offline. We're not We're not looking at a three-year project here, are we? >> No. >> Could we expect by the end of the summer? >> Yes. >> Okay.
Any other questions? >> Not for me. >> All right. Uh, we will expect by the end of the summer. >> Yes. Not that that's to get the crosswalk painted and to get the handicapped
access to the sidewalk. >> Yeah. Well, my expectations for for the entire project to be done by the end, but >> people want to use it during the season that it's, you know, it's intended for, which is now.
>> Yes. >> All right. Thank you uh for that update. appreciate it. U the next item which you may want to stay for Mr. McDonald is the uh the lip application um on Summer
Street project. Um as you know as board knows this came to the um the housing trust was moved along to us to approve so that we can then get access to the affordability units at one summer street
in Mr. McDonald's project. Um, and before we vote or to approve this, um, Jim, can you can you comment a bit on the parking at that particular location? Um, and the accessibility again of
parking that you have assigned to the tenants at that location. From a perspective of the affordable units, are the affordable units um given any different preference or the same preference for those parking spaces? Are
they assigned, etc.? I drove by there again Saturday just to look again. It's a really tight space behind the and I know this has all been approved by the planning board, so I'm not looking to redo your your project. I'm just looking to to get some confirmation on that on
that aspect of this. Uh are you comfortable with the parking at that location? And then more importantly for the people who have the affordable units, will they have the same accessibility to parking as the people who are in the non and quote
unquote nonaffordable units? >> Are you talking to me? >> Yes. >> Oh yes, of course they will. You can't discriminate. The apartments are the same. The parking is the same. Everything is the same. You There's no way you could say, "Well, you can have a
cheaper apartment, but you got to park in Walton then." >> So, are those are those parking spaces at that location going to be assigned to a to No. >> No, we don't assign any parking. >> It's first come. Where are the handicap
spots for the for the uh building >> on the back? On the actton side. Oh, on the back side. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. And uh so the the the units themselves, which I've seen some plans
on, they're also very similar to one another. the affordable units are similar to the >> we have to we have to supply that supply the drawings everything and u it's all uh looked into to make sure we're not
you know given the worst apartment we have so it's it's just the average apartment >> and are you comfortable going back to the parking again Jimmy um are you comfortable that snow plowing is going to be accessible
for you and to make it so that cars can park there. >> Yes. Anytime we have too much snow, we remove it. So, we have machines and if we have too much snow, we remove the snow. >> Where' you move it to? Not that that
really matters. >> Yeah, there's usually snow dumps. You know, a few years ago we had it take it all the way to Walton because we had so much snow. But >> yeah, >> last year we had a lot too, but we we seem to manage.
>> But you didn't have that building there. So that's the I'm I'm worried about that particular >> There was a an active fire station or police station for 50 years and they had plenty of snow in those years and it got cloudy and cleaned out every time. What's What's the difference? >> Why are we Why are we saying public
parking there for res? >> There still isn't public parking there. The residents, his residence, it's not public, it's private parking. Why? Why are we so concerned about the parking? It's I mean, that's what people do. They plow their lots. >> What's the problem? >> Did someone tell you he's not going to
plow the snow? >> No. >> Did someone tell you he wasn't going to provide spaces? Did someone tell you he was going to give people less than standard public parking because they had a lot of things? Because it's not this line of questioning. Let's move it along enough.
Yeah, >> it's a it's a building that's been in play in Maine for 50 plus years. It's been plowed at every snowstorm. Now we're suddenly worried that this guy's not going to plow the snow. Have you ever seen one of his buildings not plowed taken care of? >> Enough. You have a personal grudge against a guy. Let's move on.
>> I don't have any. >> You do. You do. And it's apparent. Let's move on in life. >> I do not. >> Yeah. Okay. >> What I have a What I have a grudge against, Chris, is projects that that get started. >> Come on, David. Please don't don't school me on stupidity.
This is nonsense. This line of questioning is nonsense. >> Does anyone want to not folks, we push this out a month to ask the same silly questions over and over again >> because we wanted to have the we wanted to have the applicant here in order to be able to give us the answers rather
than speculation. >> Okay. I I I don't know why you have to be >> Let's continue because your question anyway. So >> I think it's a foolish waste of our time.
>> We disagree with the uh have a question from the board members on this talk. >> Not on my end. >> All right. Is there a motion? I will move to approve the local initiative program application for local action units LU for one summer street.
Maynard has presented authorizing the chair to sign it approved and further to authorize the chair to execute any other documents which may be required to effectuate the approval of the LU and recording of any required documents and authorized use of digital signatures if approved. Second.
>> All right. Any further comments or questions? Okay. All those in favor? All right. So, that will be moved along to the housing team or uh down in Boston. I guess it goes to >> we'll follow >> and town hall will follow up and you can
check in with them as to where the next steps go. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much for taking the time out of your time out of your day to come and uh and answer some questions. Appreciate it. >> You're welcome. Thank you all. >> All right. Take care.
All right, we next have uh a number of contracts. Hang on, I just want to get back to my agenda. There's three contracts. One is for uh municipal energy technical assistance grant. Uh we'll go
one at a time. >> That's right, Mr. Chair. Thank you. So, we're joined this evening by municipal energy manager Rebecca Enelary. >> Pretty close, I hope. Um, uh, hey, Rebecca. And, um, so continuing the outstanding work she's already doing for the community, now she's trying to
get, uh, you know, as she pursued grants towards our towards our goals. Um, I don't want to take any thunder. I'm just really proud of all the work she's doing and we're sort of maintaining this momentum. So, go ahead, Rebecca. um tell the board what we're trying to do. Ultimately, we we're looking for the
board's authorization. It's it's it's only $25,000, but this particular grant just requires the CEO's authorization, which I am not the CEO. So, so we got here that's part of your So, go ahead. >> Hi, Rebecca. Thank you for joining us. Give us a little bit of summary.
>> Thank you. Uh Rebecca and Salvah, energy manager. Is that how we're supposed to introduce ourselves in in these >> meetings? I'm sorry. I'm still learning the the process. Um, okay. Rebecca Analvahare, energy manager. Um, as uh as
uh town administrator uh Greg said, um I'm seeking uh your approval to sign the letter of the off authorization for this $25,000 grant. Um the grant will be going towards design work and um some
engineering study for a town hall which I uh presented about a month and a half ago in April. Um, so as as a reminder, uh, we're looking to, uh, uh, slowly convert the town hall over to heat pumps
instead of, um, a boiler and, uh, or a separate boiler and, um, what's called direct expansion cooling system, just like air conditioning. Um and uh back in the fall we applied for a grant to do it
sort of as one big project and the grant was unsuccessful. So, um, now we're looking to get some, uh, design work and and, uh, to get some engineers to review like the recommendations we've received so far to make sure that we're going the
most coste effective and and, uh, most uh, most intelligent route to to do this process because um, if you remember, there's a couple different ways you can do heat pumps in a town hall. And uh we
want to make sure that we're we're doing the best route. Um the other thing, the big question I'd really like to answer is um do we need an electric upgrade? Because that added uh a significant cost to the project that originally we thought we would want to pursue, but now
I'd like to get a second opinion as we're we're digging deeper into it. So, um this this grant would help fund uh that work and and help uh set us give us a path to move forward and then would also help fund um bid documentation or
bid documents that we can use going out to bid uh once this project or once we've selected a path to move forward and applied for grants and and uh re received you know grants to move forward.
Um, so that's >> Sorry, >> I know I said thank you. This is all associated with the town meeting article that we approved. >> I mean, that's true. It's similar to like I like how you put it at the second opinion, but it's just continuing refined it. we and this I can't remember
where we're at the amount of money that that we're devoting towards this project but um in addition for grant either magic funds or or thereof so this this is continuing that same >> exactly
any questions for the board >> I see the application date is June 5th you ready to go for that >> I am I've got uh spent most of today getting it's a shorter application because it's a smaller grant amount, but
um it it's just a a project summary. So I I think in the attached materials there's a very rough draft of that and I've been working on refining it all day today and and should be good to go on Friday. >> Well, like a deadline you sharp in the
morning. Thank you efforts to keep me on my toes about >> Thank you. Any other comments, questions? >> Yeah, you all set? >> I'm all set. Thank you. >> All right. Is there a motion? >> I will move to authorize the application
for a municipal energy technical assistance grant from the state's executive office of energy and environmental affairs for assistance in addressing town hall facility needs as presented authorizing use of digital signatures if approved from Rebecca and Solair Municipal Energy.
Oh, actually that that was the correct pronunciation. >> That's why I did it. >> I second. >> All right. Any further questions or comments? Hearing none. All in favor? Thank you, Rebecca. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Uh the next uh contract is the memorandum ofum agreement between the school and the town department facilities and grounds. I believe this is uh a renewal, but it's also needs to
be somewhat tweaked because of the potential uh issues with the new grass that might I don't know if this is if this is included in this memorandum or if it's coming. Yeah. >> Relative to the once the school opens up over the new green meadow and there'll be a field over there that's not an
athletic field that needs to be maintained and we need to have clarification. >> That's that is correct. And so it it makes an illusion to that there will be an amendment once the new field is established. Um but as you said this is
uh I can't even remember what evolution of this memorandum agreement that we have with the schools at this point but every three years this is what we do and it's been tweaked um over the years much less this time because I feel like we have a good a good sort of understanding at this point um about the and the
resources have changed and the staffing has changed but I think we have a maturity about about where who does what in the seasons um but then you throw in a new school and then now we got to figure out what that's going to So it doesn't it does not say exactly you said Mr. chairman exactly what you said it
does not say this is how this new field is going to be used and therefore this is how it's going to be maintained because it hasn't yet been finalized yet and therefore it just makes an illusion to that it will be amended so when will that amendment come maybe December maybe January we'll we'll be in touch with the superintendent's office and the school
committee and simultaneously the school committee um I guess they already looked at this I had as my notes that they looked at this on May 28th and and I have not heard from the superintendent's office that they did not approve this but this this was done in collaboration with the superintendent's office. It's the same document that was shown to the
school committee. Um and town council looked at it, but it was it's pretty minor um changes. It was mostly just updating language and then as I said an expectation to amend the new school. >> Any questions?
Um I had a conversation via text with Justin um I guess was last weekend or the weekend before um relative to the maintenance of the football field and you had indicated that the field because
it's an athletic field is actually maintained by the town >> but not the lining and all that stuff that's done. >> No. Yeah. So, so the best way to look at like kind of how this delineation is kind of why there's a future amendment is Yeah.
>> So, the DPW supports the athletic aspect of the field. So, football, soccer, so that one square of grass inside the track. >> Yeah. >> Infrastructure outside of that field. The track is the school, the bleachers, the fence, etc. >> Then you're going to go over and there's
the softball field. We take care of the softball field but not the fencing and things like that. So think of the difference of like we're like the landscaper for the athlete. >> We are not required to do the athletic field striping because we do not manage the athletic programs that's managed
through the school department. >> Yeah. >> But within the memorandum of understanding um we can provide that support at cost of our staff's overtime. But the school has the choice to either hire us to do the field painting or hire
somebody else. They hire us because we're cheaper at that rate, but that rate is our union contracted rate that we had to put in place. And so we do do the painting. We do do the athletic turf, what's commonly referred to in our industry as the agonomic process, the
fertilization, the mowing, narration, the keeping up of the athletic field. We do not maintain grass areas. This is this weird delineation, right? We do not maintain the grass areas around the school like landscaping, flower beds, things like that is handled by the
school. We specialize in athletic field maintenance. That's why we offer that service. >> Okay. Can you confirm just and this is just really verification the uh so the baseball fields behind the high school, >> not the one not >> No, not the literally. But yeah, I know.
You mean the high school size field behind the high school where um field hockey plays and where baseball is that you? >> Yeah, we do the fields. We don't do the dugouts. We don't do the fencing. We don't do the lighting. We do the field. Yes. >> And then uh Crow Park is all you.
>> Crow Park is using, you know, that one. That one's a little different, right? So pro park is us the entire we do the fencing the netting and everything there because that kind of quasi is a town park >> not a school park but it is >> but that one's an old culture.
>> Okay. All right. Question. >> All right. We have a motion. I'll move to approve the memorandum of agreement as presented between the Maynard school department acting by and through its school committee and the town of Maynard acting by and through
its select board for a term effective until June 30th 2029 and authorizing the town administrator to sign on the select board's behalf. >> Second. >> Any further questions? All in favor?
Motion passes now. All right. The last contract we have is the FY26 state community compact grant municipal fire. >> Yeah, >> I this is this is exciting. I just want to like step in by I'm probably saying
with the board of feel as well. I was thrilled as I'm here to get this and it's also giving a lot of credit of course to the public works and you know led by Marco but um very clever uh exploration of every grant program that
the state offers because the community compact grant is actually a longstanding uh best practices grant. That's how we we a community compact grant. It was the original >> um funding source for clear gov um and a
number of other but it's it's mostly like a seed amount and then it's evolved over time. >> Um we've got so many of these grants. >> The first one in the state was the um the transportation thing. >> Yes. And I was actually a part of it
under the multiple administrations ago when it was called something different. So, um, good work on on sort of making a connection between, as it says, municipal fiber grant that usually allows for like improved infrastructure in Western Mass that they can't get, you know, high speeded internet. But when
you apply and you meet the guidelines, sometimes you get what you what you need in your own sort of purposes. So, uh, that's it. I just wanted to commend you in public. Thank you, Justin. I give all the credit. I have a phenomenal water support staff. But Julia Flannry is
really leading a lot of our modernization and our programs within our water department. As you know, that environmental coordinator position was paramount for us to move forward with innovation. So, as our continued uh process, critical infrastructure is
being attacked everywhere. As you know, Littleton's water district was hacked. Um, so it is a high priority. Um, as the board has asked me in the past, we have a very safe system. Um, but we're always looking to improve it. We need to stay more advanced faster than anybody else.
Um, this is an opportunity for us to continue to isolate our critical facilities. Unlike some communities, if you're unaware, the town of manage water department within our water treatment plants. Um, we work very efficiently in our budget. um we have very minimum
staff which means we rely heavily on automated control systems but that is a critical failure point for a hacking or something like that that could impact our treatment processes right so we do everything in our power to continue to move that forward and with we do a
six-month review of our critical infrastructure for cyber security um within that we develop our CIPs our capital improvement plans for our overall water department utility our sewer department, utility, etc. But we typically hold CIPs for critical
security functions at our highest priority. And this was a joint effort um for a program that actually we explored several years ago. >> Um and we were never never able to fund it. Um so this opportunity came up. I would actually say that um this is a
significant amount of money that actually went out with the bipartisan bill and not a lot of people taking advantage of and we leveraged it. Um so I am very happy that that we're able to get this uh fiber optic process in place. This will allow our team to completely isolate our functions from
the internet as a whole. So no one will ever be able to get into it and this is a this is a huge upgrade for us. >> Is this um above ground fiber optic? >> Yeah. So just go on the existing >> Yeah. So we'll chase all the utility
poles. All our infrastructure is in place. Um that we get to essentially use Eversourc's network of utility poles. Um but to your point, what this is is direct lines of communication and this is the old way of of uh protections of
systems. It's actually it's funny. I don't want to go on too much of a ramp, but you know we have FEMA in place, right? FEMA has underground telecommunications buried in concrete across our community that most people don't realize. Um, and that is the safest way possible. They do not use the
internet. That's essentially we're going back in time which actually creates a better buffer. Um, so we're not relying on systems. We are direct communicating. And so it it is a big upgrade. It's a quarter million dollars. That's why we were never able to kind of push it forward. But this is a crucial time. As
you know, the environment globally is changing. So, there is some federal and state funding moving in this direction. Were you able to collect chat? >> Does the 250,000 cover the total cost of transitioning from cellular to fiber? >> Yes. >> Yeah. These are all so that the
community compacts like a rolling grant which is fantastic, right? And but their grant process relies heavily on a pre-scope. So, we actually already procure scope to most of this. So, those costs should be amendable. Um if there's any cost drivers that go above and
beyond the 250,000 be minor it'll be a minor cost adjustment we can handle under our >> and then ongoing is the cost of the um of having a managed network cheaper than using a third party for security with cellular communications >> or be more expensive?
>> Yes and no. So we will still have cellular but it will will buzz out not buzz in meaning that our hub will change. So our systems will interconnect as you know by fire, right? So they're lines, right? But our staff will still be able to operate through cellular
function. So right now currently my foreman may be changing pump diameters right now and pump rates at one of our sewer stations through their phone and we do that because again we have a limited resources. Right now we have to kind of go in through a major network of
firewalls and then go through which is like a port tunnel is what they refer to. the opposite will happen. Once we get fiber, we'll actually send a signal only to that cell phone that has access and that would be the slave too. So there'll be there will still be operating cost which is all built into
our operating function. Um I wouldn't say it would reduce long-term operating costs. It would be a null exchange. It would just be an upgrade and security so that we control the functions and we're not relying on a third party port process. Right now we have one, two,
three fingers of control that are gated to our system and we'd be removing two of those. >> Is there infrastructure issues involved with this? Like is there rewiring? Is there anything along those lines or >> So to Mike's point, what's going to happen is so our facilities already
exist and think about this as cable, but it's just a cable that goes from one building over to another building over to another building. We're essentially connecting five facilities through an isolated fiber optic line. And so it will go on the utility poles and I think
there is a map. I don't know if Craig put together all that. >> So So there literally will be people l It's very similar to old tech. So we used to have fire lines. So instead of sell service calling out, the fire lines
used to call in and then fire departments modernized because fire lines were hard to maintain. but they were maintaining like a larger networks and then we ended up moving him and going to cellular for our critical assets. We're not expanding at an exponential rate if anything and we keep
moving forward with our massive pay. We're actually going to shrink and modernize and reduce our our capacity. So for us, there won't be long-term operational costs because we don't need to kind of expand our critical assets, but we are direct communicating with them through a line that the only way that it can be active if someone climbs
a pole, splices into it, and knows how to communicate. Like that's that's impossible >> for that work. We have to go out to bid on that or >> Yeah, a lot of it is proprietary. There's only so many companies in the state of Massachusetts that do this. Um, and that's why again, they require a scope process in advance of the grant.
So, it's the same company that the town is actually used for all of our telecommunications. If you recall when we built the fire station, we know this is our central dispatch tower out here, but there's a direct fiber line to the fire station that connects Santa's team to the fire team. It's the same company.
It's the same company we use with Green Meadow. So, they're they have fiber that goes from Fowler that feeds high school and Green Meadow. And so, it's there's only like two companies in the state that do this kind of work. questions. Chris,
>> no. Thank you. >> Questions over here. >> Excellent. >> Move to approve the contract for the fiscal year 2026. Oh, is that the right one? Yeah, you heard it. >> Community compact municipal fiber grant
award in the amount of $250,000 as presented authorizing use of digital signatures if approved. Second. Any other questions? All in favor? >> Against my better judgment, I'm gonna ask the chair permission to ask you a question.
>> I was going to see how So, we only have one meeting before we go into the new trash. >> Yeah. So, we we have one, you know, go time July 1. How's how's that coming? >> Yeah, good. So, we I'm gonna So, we I
met with Lindy this morning. As you may may not know, I was off last week and Lindy's been an active active busy be. She's had a lot of success. So, I asked her to put together some uh quick analytic data just to provide for the next TA um TA uh update. But in essence,
we have a thousand signups as of today. Um it's actually,00 of today. We have met personally myself, Lindy, with all three major condom associations. Those are kind of like the ones that we have to work through the process. Oakidge, Apple, and Dare Edge, which consists of
close to 4,500 units in totality. Um, each one has a has a little bit of a different feel of how they're going to do their do their practice, but we built that into the model. Um, we feel confident that those condo associations and their HOAs will be voting within the next week or two, and we'll see a huge
influx as well. We're having extreme success from our mailings, as I thought we always would. our social media game is just not strong in this town. Um, direct mailing is always the thing that really hits home. I'm sure you've both you've all seen the the multiple flyers
now. If you're unaware, we are have an aggressive Action Unlimited campaign. So, you may have already seen Action Unlimited. If you haven't, some it kind of comes on on different weeks for different parts of the town. You'll start to see it in Action Unlimited. Every time we do a mailing, we see uh
two, three, 400 sign up like next day. And a lot of that goes, you know, everybody's busy schedule summer, right? My kids are about to be done in school in two weeks. The last thing I'm thinking about is that, oh, that flyer I put off to the side and I got to do that thing. So, we know it's a repetitive
reminder. So, we'll be sending out probably two more full-time mailings just as friendly reminders. Um, July 1st is the day. Um, there will be a buffer. We're going to have a rolling opening, but July 1 is really where we want the bulk of the launch. Um, that's our goal. Um I feel confident that we're hitting
our numbers. Um a lot of the things that we're running into, one of the biggest questions that we get right now is is um a lot of people are concerned the fact that they currently have recycling and they pay private hauling for trash, right? And that's something that can't be continued and that's part of the
allocation of general funds to a service program. So, if anything, we we we have a highly competitive price point and while they do their due diligence and they work with their private companies, they're probably most likely going to choose our service, but I think that's the conversation that they're having. >> So, when can a person who would have
signed up expect to see their 35gallon cart in their recycling cart? So, if I have the blue one, yeah, I keep that blue one. >> Yeah. So, so let's say the the Silva signed up um for any one of the services, but you signed up for a town service.
>> Um if you checked off that you're going to do a standard service and you want one recycling cart or two, let's say you currently had two, you would be able to keep the two unless one of them's broken, it's getting replaced. All of those things are part of the overall contract, but you would keep whatever
you chose. If you currently have one rec Yeah. And then you would get a 35gallon dropped off if you drove if you did the standard search. >> So I'm I just I I see questions floating all over the place, but I haven't seen >> when I'm not sure if there's a I haven't seen a when. I I haven't really looked.
I'm just kind of curious like when would you expect if you were >> We haven't sent the when. Um basically because we're waiting on the delivery to Eel Harvey from the manufacturer. Okay. So but our goal is July 1st. It always has been. The reason we haven't sent the
when because we're waiting on the procurement to arrive, >> but we anticipate that in about two weeks. >> Okay. So, if it So, so if it doesn't make it by, >> we'll extend it. >> Yeah. >> Well, what do we do? >> Yep. We'll extend the >> back and buy two stick tickets or
>> Yep. We'll extend the availability of stickers. We'll be able to launch the bag program at the same exact time, but we may delay the bag program and allow for the sticker program as we go through that transition. I don't expect that. The obligation of Nehari is to have these cards by July 1. Um my expectation
was actually to have it for the month of July. Um I have two emails sitting on my desk with you as we speak um to um discuss when they have when they receive their carts and then we'll start doing the
roll out process. You'll see that information come out over the next couple of weeks. Um once we have the rollout logistics, we'll launch a significant PR campaign saying be on the ready, be on the lookout. Those who have signed up have provided email addresses
and phone numbers and you'll receive information pertaining to your service directly. So that's that's what we wanted our customers. >> So if I have a Chris Chris asked this question, if I have a blue bin now, >> am I going to get a new blue bin? >> Not if you don't want one. Okay.
>> So like let's imagine >> say I want one. How will they know I want? >> Yep. So, when we have a direct communication about the drop off to who? Say, let's say it was D. Gavin, right? Your email. >> I want two. I want one, but I don't want the one I've got because it might >> Yeah. You'll get an email saying like,
"Hey, on this day, we're expected to issue your cards. We're confirming that you chose the standard program and you have a recycle card. Do you want to retain it or do you want an exchange?" And all that information will be provided to you. How about if somebody
doesn't sign up for the town project, the town program yet has a blue bin, how do they get rid of it or what can they do with it? >> So, um, as part of our entire program, any So, we're offering a central refuge of bulky plastic recycling for free at
the DPW. It was always part of our program, whether it was a Jeff inherited like barrel when he bought the house. We know that his legacy barrels were trash. We know some people have trash barrels, some people don't. We've provided a free
plastic recycling program as part of the launch. When you're talking about the Eel Harvey barrels, Eel Harvey will actually, they're the ones delivering the new ones. They will take the old ones. They will repurpose those. they can repair them unless they are completely disrespect.
>> No, you will actually have that information with our team. So, you'll receive an email from us because you'll also receive your stickers. So, there there'll be barrel stickers. You you'll receive your registration sticker. You'll have a confirmation to make sure and ensure that you chose X program
because let's say you accidentally pressed the wrong button. You didn't realize you were doing it quick. Kids yelling in the back seat. We want to confirm you picked the right right program that meets your needs. Or maybe you changed your mind and you just didn't think about setting up a new form before the launch. We're going to confirm that within that. We're going to
ask, do you have current bins? Do you want to reuse them? Or do you want new deliveries? And that all >> like on this week, put it out and we'll pick it up. >> Yeah. E Harvey will then provide us a logistic schedule and then that logistic schedule will be passed on. Most likely
we'll follow a typical trash pickup route. that's already exists. So like on Monday will be the Monday of these retreats that get picked up. These will be your exchange. >> If I missed this, I apologize, but so somebody doesn't sign up, you wouldn't have their email necessarily. You
wouldn't have How would they make arrangements to have their blue bin picked up? >> I'm not worried about them asking us to pick up the recycle bin. They're going to try to get it collected on a regular basis. We are going to audit the roads.
So that is why we have a full-time staff member salary. That is why the task force looked at a staff member managing this program because what we anticipate is some people just not getting the message and maybe putting out stickers the first couple weeks. We know that's going to
happen. At that point we'll have a progressive one, two, three warning system, right? If if if Chris forgets on the week he's supposed to put his card out and he throws stickers out because he's not thinking about it, it's not going to get penalized. will get picked up and we're going to have our auditing
go by with the green sticker reminding you like you need to have your bail out next time. Please be aware this your first warning, second warning, third one. Now, if we catch certain customers operating with the recycle bin without our carts, those recycle bins will be removed and that so they'll be emptied.
Excuse me. And then they'll be removed by our city. They will not be allowed in our that is that is to ensure transparency for the customers who are paying into it and to limit our overexposure of general taxation if it leads to that meaning like any of that contingency we talked about in front of
the program. The same goes for sticker sticker programs, right? So, I envision that there'll be a slow progressive changeover in the entire month of July. I truly do believe that people will be confused and there'll be some issues of people put accidentally putting things
out. We sanitation is important, right? So, yes, we want to make sure that we're we're absolute with our revenue, our expense, but we also need to make sure that we don't trash on the side of the road because someone sanitation is important. So there's a collaboration approach between our department being
the auditors and the board of health as you know the health agent is actually the same tissue code enforcement. Anything that becomes an ultra violation where we do like a one two three progressive and they continue to execute that will be passed on to the port of health agent to move through the sanitation code. They have their own
codes that'll follow national law and the town and they'll essentially move to that. But like anything think of water. We don't shut people off when they don't pay their bill. We try to work with them to get this process through. The same thing will happen. The first month will
be an education and uh an enforcement but a slow walk enforcement process. >> Thank you. Thank you for the question, Chris. I should have had it as an agenda item because obviously it's >> No, no worries. No worries. We and we understand it's really fast, right? Like anything, we just continually encourage
Lindy is everywhere and she is she's probably doing three or four meetings a week. We continue to tell all residents once you sign up, it didn't end there. Just follow our website on a weekly basis and we'll continue to pump out as much information. We're trying to meet you where you are, right? That's our
mailings, that's our Facebook posts. We're doing anything we can with our PR on a weekly basis and you'll continue to hear updates because it's going to be this rolling situation, right Chris? Like that's the concern is we're all like I'm ready. When is my next day? But
we're still managing people who are trying to make their decision and so we want to make sure that we're focused on on boarding all our customers and then move to our legis. >> Thank you your staff and especially Lindy who's done so much work on it. Um because I I I think the word has
certainly gotten out and I think people are prepared and getting there and sure there will be hiccups but whatever >> they are and and we expected people to do a cost right like call a private hauler. be encouraged to, right? And then like that's the thing that it's an opt-in program. So, we knew there'd be
some front end, some delay, and then there's most likely going to be the oh crap, July 1st is right around the corner. We forgot to do the thing and like go sign up. So, we we kind of know that's going to happen. >> Lindy's at the library right now. >> She is.
>> That's why that's why there's nobody in the auction. >> When do the downtown trash cans go in? So, those will go in most likely July 1st. The difference with those is we had to we had to procure those through Massore. If you're familiar with Massore, it's the state of Massachusetts um correction facility. So, the
corrections program, they do our benches and they do Yeah. So, sometimes we're they're the cheapest like with direct procurement, we're pretty much paying for the metal. >> Um um but we direct pay for those, not EL Harvey, because we wanted to make sure
they matched all of our stated programs. the state. It it just depends on their workload. We're hoping that it's July 1. I have a really good rapport with our rep Steve. They know that it's a priority. So, the goal is again is July 1st for every >> Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir. >> Other questions? We can move on to the next item, which is senior center. >> Thank you, Justin. Um any update Greg from the airport? >> So we're meeting with the um owner Thursday, myself and director loveless
just to kind of review where we are. >> I did my walk again. It's been no outside work. That's for sure. >> So I'll see what I can find out. But I mean like we we just have a good relationship. I just we're just going to continue these semi-regular meetings with the developers.
>> Have they even done the like the plating? >> Yes. >> Have they done all that? They've done all >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> They have a special permit, right? >> Yes. So, >> I haven't seen any >> and they voting permits have been applied. So, >> I I'll just find out what's what's going on on Thursday.
>> Well, Amy's going to find out for sure. >> All right. Thank you. Marine Meadow School, Chris or Mike, any updates? >> We haven't had a meeting in a little bit. Uh we've got a meeting next week. >> Yeah. >> Um I think we got a lot of photographs. uh which had made significant progress
since we did the >> walking else. >> I think last meeting we talking about the teachers had gone on a walk through the principal victim. I think we talked about it that one of the comments I made at the last meeting a bunch of the
teachers had gone for a walk through with Karen Linquist and they were you know blown away super excited by it but other than that I haven't heard anything. >> I got an email from Colleen. I didn't realize she was part of the uh flag day celebration of the Elks. I thought we
were getting another another meeting for the um school community. That's the only time I see your name. So yeah, but no, just just the pictures that um that they send every week continue to look great. >> It is amazing how much it's different
than when we were there. Yeah, we got >> as much like the gymnasium in that area was just you see why he's hanging from the ceiling in a shell. >> Yeah, it comes together fast. But yeah, >> but it's still months and months out. Fine painting takes a long
>> Oh, yeah. Remember the fire station is so many details at the end. >> There will probably still have some things to do even when the kids are in there. >> They usually do, you know. Yeah, change orders kind of go fast. Yeah, they're moving them in in December. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> No, I think we're still on track. >> Two week December break so they have extra time. >> Oh, really? >> For the entire school district. >> So, the whole all the kids are home for two weeks. Yeah. >> We heard that the walk through day they're going to go there and within a
couple weeks they're going to start the closest side of the building. >> Yeah. >> Like going to be immediate. >> Yeah. >> That's that's wild. There is, but >> All right. Next item. We have two correspondences. GPU uh letter and a
mass dot highway letter for vegetation management. Um no questions on those. We can take a motion to accept. >> Move to approve correspondences A and B as shown. >> Second. >> All in favor?
Great. Town administrator report. Great. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll be brief because we're doing really well. Um, again, I just want to echo everything you've already said and commend the hard work of Lindy Gear and Justin Marco and everyone else involved. I mean, as you said, she's Lindy's selling it right
now. So, I as the same questions you guys asked and also, you know, that that level of mixture of excitement and anxiety about this program and and coming along. So, I asked Justin the same thing about where we are with with the signups and it's and I'm the one who
put the uh pretty blunt message in front of town all about no more trash pickers. So, because I really want people to kind of understand this um otherwise quick question, are we using the digital signs for that?
>> Yes, >> we are. >> But we only have two. We have a small one and a big one. >> Yeah, there's one on one near Walnut Street right now. Is the other one? I don't know if it says this, but I talked to the chief about that. Okay. So, >> no, no, we need to use it doesn't have much space.
>> No, that's a problem. >> Yeah, really. >> So, like I'm gonna let Lydia and work with the chief about that and whatever it's going to say. But yeah, that was a lot of eyeballs. >> So, it's going to be um they're going to send out bills every quarter.
>> Uh it's either quarterly or >> Yeah. I I was expecting to have to put my credit card information when I signed up for it. >> Oh, I actually did this morning. I'm thinking how I put my information to it automatically. >> No, they don't want to. So, I think you'll get four bills of water bills.
I just wasn't 100% sure exactly how it was going to work out, but >> um Mr. So, I came back from the gate. That was good time. It was good to sort of mix with my colleagues of the other managers and then um
oh uh school is ending. So superintendent let me know that this is the last week for the high school seniors and then Mayor public schools closes on June 18th and then I'll be taking off at the end of next week and then also my usual time period the end
of June, beginning of July. Um, and then as you can tell from the submissions from the other departments, everyone's doing really good work. Um, and u, oh, and I really wanted to highlight the the pretty regular collaboration between fire department, police department. As
much as they probably give each other a hard time, um, they really are a great team and and they show up for each other's evidence here. That was a fire department idea to to sort of recognize the the the safety uh and the sort of maturity of the high school seniors and
the police show up for that. So appreciate that collaboration. That's all I have. >> Okay. Any questions? >> No. >> Okay. Uh chair report you sort of led into it,
Greg. Um, I want to recognize the graduating class of May High School. Give um, congratulations and best wishes to all of those graduating and as I say to kids every year. Don't
um, and do us proud continue to do us proud here in Maynard and uh, come back and visit. Uh um then also there are a lot of upcoming June events here in May or uh next
weekend, this coming weekend, we've got the pride event on Sunday I believe and they have a whole day essentially of various activities planned. Looks like it's going to be exciting. And then before we meet again, um the Jazzfest is
the following Saturday, I believe. Um hopefully the weather clears up and we've got uh good dates for for all of those. >> Yeah, you're right. And then the following week is Art of the Park. >> Yeah. >> However, we'll have to meet before then
so we can mention that at our next. >> Um the other thing I wanted to ask is there any plan and I know it was you and Mike that did it for a second annual volunteer event. Um, I've actually just started talking with a couple of people about that as to
whether we have a a volunteer event or another um idea I've been talking about with a couple of people is to do a um a celebration of the green space in May um which have been by a couple of people.
>> Um so whether we whether we initiate an event like a volunteer event every year or maybe we do that every other year. I mean, we get crowded with events, so I'm just wary of of uh you know, trying to push a good thing too far. >> Yeah. >> So, anyway, I'm just uh talking with a
couple of people about that and uh you know, in the next couple of weeks, we'll come up with a proposal. >> That is it. We'll start with you, Mike. >> Okay. Um, other than that, the only other thing I got, I did manage to attend the um, Girl Scout um,
celebration yesterday at Battle School and Sienna, whose last name. Thank you. Yeah. Um, so she was awarded her gold award. Um, the and representative Kate Hogan was there as
well. There was one issue. There was another young lady, the grass lady name. I'm not sure. Maddie, who also got a >> Wait, and she also got a gold award. We were told today, so we'll follow up. >> Right. Okay. So, I I just I said that
last night just to make sure that she didn't feel forgotten. Um, but you know, we would probably, you'll probably see it next week, right? Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. They didn't reach out to us. And you know, I'm friendly with that family. I didn't even realize she had gotten it. And uh they reached out to us, not the family, the Girl Scouts
within the last week and said, "Hey, I think it was Saturday that we got an email saying, "Can you have something for us?" And no, >> unfortunately. >> Yeah. I was able to speak to the family and just sort of reassure them that um we will >> Yeah. And so congratulations to Maddie.
>> We'll get we'll get a uh a proclamation. >> Okay. >> Otherwise, that's it. >> Thank you for attending. Chuck, no updates for me this week, >> right? Because you were on vacation. >> Wednesday, >> no updates for me. Chris,
>> I just have a question. Um, Greg, we I noticed that the uh they unanimously I think almost sign the state budget into yesterday. >> No, it's the Senate Senate piece. So, it's not too >> uh Oh, so maybe it did there early. No,
the >> voting the Senate voted on something. Yes. I just didn't know if that was the final version. The the question was going to be how is that can we have a negative impact now that it's finalized.5 16.5 billion
>> is that >> I have to looks on it yeah it was kind >> I think there's three things happening >> quickly flash by I saw >> yeah I'll have to look there's the regular state budget that and the state
legislator sees their deadline as the end Okay. >> Which gives the governor about 24 hours into the ground. That's >> then there's the winter recovery assistance program which is like they generally they funnel that to the hardest hit towns like the C got hit
this last winter. You probably see that maybe a little bit but they it's usually formulaic and then they kind of they favor some of the hardest hit towns but maybe you're talking about the supplemental. So throughout the fiscal year they use seven
days or or they've increased chapter 9 which could be a couple things like their final version billion maybe 63. Yeah. >> All right. So the other thing is what was our final
health? You remember you remember what it was? >> Uh, was it something or >> it was it was >> n something you said? >> Yeah, I n something was what I put in the t beating but that included non-healthcare
retirement benefits as well. So that might change the number. >> I it was up there. >> That's not bad. Nine. >> Some people got much worse. >> Yeah. 10 on the lower end of the range. >> But only because we did we we we like
>> but it was so much worse than we've ever had. >> 10.5 >> 10.5. >> Okay. >> That was our number. >> Yes. >> 10.5. >> It's a lot. >> That's 2.7. >> Yes. >> But the plan design change went back before >> FY. I'm sorry.
>> No, no, it's been long. >> The cost like the our increase. >> Yeah. you know what would be what would be the cost on a 10.5 thing in premium dollars >> in premium >> yeah that's all
>> yeah huge amount everyone will get walked >> I mean I I believe I I know it's huge because the number of people we have and stuff but it's not really huge when we consider >> some of the ones smaller groups >> oh that's what do you think we talk about the management I know
>> everyone's dying meteor sent to you a couple days ago in the Wall Street Journal about this. Um I'll Yeah, I'll see if I can sum it to you. It was basically about national. >> It was mostly I think it was focused on looking at towns that are seeing such a massive but there are towns that are
like >> didn't know this was coming like smaller towns that don't have staff resources didn't realize and suddenly they were hit with a 50% increase in their budget because they open trans so much. Um, and they're having to lay out like their
school staff and their public safety and and there are towns that got hit in way worse ways than we >> and that's with Lombado doing the >> Yeah, we saw that. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it's it's because of his sort of regular presence, I believe. >> No, I Yeah.
>> No, that's so because of the plan we got down to 2.9 last year. But but yes, you're right. We have we have regular insurance advisory committee meetings so we can say like this is still a problem. we still need to talk about and we're trying to get people to sign up for the the new option the hide
>> are we told vulnerable to surprises I mean I know that typically you on the ball with you know what the expectations are going to be within a range um but the kind of surprises that's been mentioned >> well we get the data so so the so we get
shown our loss ratios so how many claims you have versus how much you pay for your pre and if you have a unfavorable loss ratio which of course you have then you're going to pay more claims for your you have insurance for your cars you get
into accident your previous have an aging aging worker as well. >> Yeah. So >> we uh well but yeah all of it that's actually one of the primary >> that's one of the huge that's what the Wall Street Journal article is about. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And so that's why and Maya drops GOP once because for weight loss. >> Yeah, correct. So, it's a huge world and um it's fascinating but also frustrating um
because there's very little we can do. We was it was historic that we were able to do a plans on change. I don't think we're always going to push our you know push that area. healthcare consolidation, nursing shortages. There's a lot. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's true. There's less and less options, which means the market is against us. Uh I hope is out there. >> No, no PCPs available anywhere. >> I don't know if people going to the ER for general health. >> I don't think problem can be solved by
Massachusetts. Now, we're not we say a breast of it and then we show the unions like I I bring it up maybe during budget meetings like we I try to make sure no one is surprised but it's it is so shocking when you see it.
>> Anything else in favor?