To tonight's special meeting. Um we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. Uh Amy, if you want to go ahead and do roll call please. Mister Chavez. Here. Missus Evanson. Here. Missus Heights. Here. Mister Jones. Here. Miss Lima. Here. Alright, do I have a motion to approve the agenda for this evening? Motion to approve. Second. Mister Chavez.
Approved. Approved. Missus Evanson. Yes. Missus Heitz. Yes. Mister Jones. Yes. Miss Lima. Yes. Alright. so the first item up on our business items are the resource recommendation for 12th grade ELA. So, do I have a motion for this resource? A motion to approve the twelfth grade resource. Second. Alright, is there any discussion to approve the health
grade resource? I just wanted to say thanks for the extra time to have the opportunity to get through this a little bit more. Um as I got further into this and looking at how and I appreciate this also being the teacher's reference instead of the student reference because it gave me a little bit more of an idea of how this is going to be presented, assessed, things of that nature. And so I really appreciate that extra time because it gave me a little bit more
comfort in this than what I had, you know, on Tuesday. Um so, with having that extra time to get a little bit further through this, I feel comfortable in approving this at this point. So, Well, good. That's what we wanted to obviously achieve. So, I know we all get busy and we all have a lot of other things going on. So, do our best and and I do think that at our last meeting when we if we could get the resources in our hands, I know curriculum team was, you guys were trying to get it in
as quickly as possible as well, so we appreciate that, but, maybe even if we see a few of the resources ahead of time as well, and we can kind of review 'em, that might help, as well, just to help save time, so, I'm glad you had a little bit more time to look at it as well, is there any other discussion on the 12th grade resource? No. Okay? Seeing none, we can go ahead and take the vote on the twelfth grade resource Mister Chavez. Approved. Missus Evanson. Yes.
Missus Heitz. Yes. Mister Jones. Yes. Miss Lima. Yes. Okay, that passes unanimously. So, alright. Next up, on our agenda is the fourth grade social studies. So, is there a motion for the fourth grade social studies? I would actually like to motion to table this. This particular one just to honor the work of the CRGC and give ourselves a
little more time to see the alternate resource. Okay. They've been unable to get that in yet. Um I spoke with Jen earlier and she they're still waiting to try to get a hold of that other resource. Okay, so with tabling an item, we don't have discussion. So, we're voting on tabling the item. So, we can go ahead and take the vote on tabling the item. Did we. Can can we. Second on that. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, we need a second for tabling. You're correct. Is there a second for tabling in
fourth grade resource? Hi, Kim. Can we ask you a question or do we have to wait till we. Yes, go ahead and ask a question. So, my question would be, if we table this, what are we teaching the kids this summer? Is there no resource for the kids this summer? Or what's? I think yeah why don't you explain what the time frame would look like? There's currently no board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies in circulation. You've heard about previous publications
that are well out of date. So teachers teach the standards with the resources that they have and that they can curate. There's not a board adoption resource for fourth grade social studies. Yes. Barb, you have your hand up? I did. So, so what you're saying is currently, there is no adopted fourth grade social studies. Is that correct? You'll find some titles on the list that were adopted but they're all well out of printed circulation. So, there's nothing common. Those were all So if you really need some
nineties like titles that are out of circulation not prints anymore. Which is why this was up for a recommendation. So there are probably two schools who still have access to an older text on the list. But we've tried to get those copies from used bookstores. Uh had little success. So correct. There's no board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies currently. It's in circulation. That's true for a lot of social studies. Uh that's true for all of the grades and social
studies in elementary. Will, you had your hand up? No, I, I, I guess you guys had just answered it. So, what would, what would be the timeline if you guys could try to either get the other curriculum or figure something else out? I mean, what would be, what's what is our absolute deadline? As I know, like, today, would have been ideal. Yeah. But what is the absolute deadline for us to get anything done? Uh well, we're in a tricky situation here because CRGC takes recommendations wrong with resource selection teams. The resource selection team
appraise a second resource, and a third. Only one is high quality enough to bring it forward to CRTC but they're not bringing, we wouldn't bring it forward as a recommendation of the resource selection team because that wouldn't be accurate. They didn't make a recommendation. They, they made a recommendation for Colorado story. They have appraised all of the available resources for in multiple iterations against rubrics. There's another resource that's of high quality but it's not an
official recommendation. So, we're sort of an uncharted territory where if CRGC were to review that material, we wouldn't want to bring it to the board as though the board had a choice between two materials. We'd want resolution on the current recommendation that's in front of us before considering another path. Uh I suppose that could all happen in one board meeting. Um but again, we wouldn't be bringing it as a recommendation from this election team. We will be bringing it possibly as a recommendation from CRCC if
That was the consensus and so we would bring all the data from the resource recommendation team to CRGC. We wouldn't ask CRGC to take the role of the recommendation team and we can't reconvene the recommendation team to make a different recommendation that process is complete. And so that was complete against the standards and the rubric. The purview that and discretion that the board is exercising is the boards to exercise. So there's not an issue or
an argument there. It's just that with we wouldn't ask the recommendation team to reconvene and consider the board's concerns and we wouldn't ask CRGC but we do want them to review the process. Right. We want them to review the process and then bring it forward to the board. So, CRGC is the next appropriate step in terms of going forward, I think, but we wouldn't, it's not as though we want the new process to be the board to consider two resources and select between them. That that wouldn't be
appropriate. We have our resource recommendation team to make those recommendations. They go to CRGC from CRGC to the board. And so in this case, CRDC is another resource high quality. Given the complete work that was done by the recommendation team. So your timeline was out. Your question will was about a timeline. Uh it sort of depends on what happens here tonight. Uh if table I would need to think about how best to communicate, go forward, and engage with CRTC and we have to call a
meeting. Uh which we can do. We can do this next week. Mhm. Yep. Thank you. Um off second, the motion to table it. Ready for the boat? Well, Barb has her hand up. Go ahead, Barb. I guess I'm just, I'm so confused like, do we need to vote on the first resource Is that what you're telling me? Because I'm, I guess I'm just kind of confused. I mean, I understand that Fritzko for the next resource to go to CRGC, it has to go through that
process before it comes before the board but do we have to vote on the first resource before you will move a second resource to CRGC? So, we know that the board is unable to perform on the workforce but they're voting no more to enroll and so, if there's not enough vote, if there's not a motion forward in the process, if we're not moving forward with the incidences vote, we know we need to do something different. In this case, we'll go back to see what you see. And we'll bring you the second one. Okay, yeah. I guess we just want to make sure we're keeping you that it's
clear. I guess there's enough hesitation with the one that was recommended to the board and I don't know whether it would come more clear to you for the board to either take a vote on it or that it's more clear if it's table and so I guess we just want to make sure that we're clear with you all. A bright bark like I don't know whether it's tabled because there's there's a lot of questions from the board on the resource or if it needs to just or
or table it. So, I I guess we would just want to make sure we're clear. I don't know what you're trying to get at for everybody. I believe that tangling is appropriate. Um that second resource that was reviewed and we will bring it to CRGC. They can review. We'll look at the process and then we would like to then present it. And then we can decide how what the next best vote would be. Okay, Right. Because what I'm hearing is, we're not going to be
looking at this resource that was presented to us, and then comparing it to this other resource. You guys are now going to be looking at this other resource, and now presenting that one as the one to the board, correct? Yes. Yes. And, and we're going to have to put another, because this is your, the boards, right to-do, right? So, while we've never been in this space or place before, here's an opportunity to write what that process would look like. Okay. Yeah, I think we're we're
solved here, if solved here, then we reconvene CRG, correct? Yep. Okay. And we'll be back. Alright, so we have to get all of the the resources, our, our best late plan is to get with CRGC, but we've gotta make sure we're getting all the resources. I know that you've said you've gotten one. Right, Jackie? Publisher. There are kits. We have one of the kits here and the others are being shipped. I think they'll be carried very soon today, to or tomorrow, or the next day? Um,
I don't know the I think we have six kits coming. Mhm. So. And each unit is a kit, right? Um I should have brought it physically. Uh there are there's one box with kits and two kits that go on top of it. Barb, another question? Yes, So, when those kids come in, I know it's my understanding that it's going to be going not necessarily before the committee but to CRGC. So,
when is the soonest that we could get those resources to start reviewing them? Jen's looking at dates but that would be immediately following CRGC if there was consensus from CRGC to go forward. So, CRGC would review the process of the recommendation team, the scoring on the bricks, the materials themselves and then, CRG seemed to take a consensus vote If that were successful, go forward as a recommendation and the very next day or even that night, you could pick up
materials. We could get those too. Okay. Um so just out of curiosity, is there any reason why we couldn't get it sooner than that and then if it's not presented to us as a reference, then, we just give it back. That way, it would just give us a little bit more opportunity to get through it. Since we know that's literally the only one that we're going to be looking at. Let us get back to you on days. My my hesitancy with that is just coming back to process. We don't want to be in a place where we're asking the board to consider a recommendation before COBC has considered a
recommendation and we don't want CRG influenced in that, right? It's their independent review of those processes. So, it's important to us that these teams operate somewhat independently for the integrity of the recommendation that comes but we also want to honor that we're up against tight timelines. So, I think if we could set CRGC, if we could make that meeting happen sooner than later, then, that gives you more time. Jose Luis? Yep, I have a question. Uh Will you be able to let us know why that Sacca resource wasn't
chosen as the first resource also? Cuz I would like to know the reasons for that. Yes. That you'll see it real transparently in the scoring. Yeah. See what you see. But we don't want you to know what we wouldn't do is come to the board and say which of these two resources decide which one you want to vote on or vote on both. That's that's that would circumvent import processes. And so we only give some from CRGC. They won't be bringing more than source and we ask
you to evaluate it on its own. The merits of it itself and not as compared to the resource that we just and that's the same thing that will tell CRGC. We're not asking you to compare the two resources. It is helpful to see the scoring side by side to understand the strength of the resource in front of them. But their job is not to pair the two in it's the assess the strength of the one in front of them based on the standards. Based on the standards. Based on the standards. And what they're not at optical.
Okay. People who do all the comparing are the are the members of the resource recommendation team. Wilt. Yeah, Will, do you have a question? Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm sorry. I know we're not supposed to have discussion but my question is, if we table this, aren't we, aren't we indeed saying no, we don't want the first one. So, it's actually we're kind of voting the first one down. So, that's my, I don't understand if we table it, then, we're tabling the whole thing but wire, but we're, I guess, and since saying, we don't want the first one, get us a different one. So, I I just don't understand the
difference between table and just not voting. I guess. I don't know. It's a little bit of kind of one and the same. That's I just wanted to make sure that, I mean, because, you know, tabling, we either, you could table an item till the next meeting, or you can table something indefinitely. That's why I just wanted to make sure with the curriculum team, with Jackie's and Jen team, that, if they needed a, an actual vote from the board, that we could give them that. Um, one, you know, in my mind,
if they bring us another resource. I mean, you know, we could vote this one but if we're, if they present us with a different resource, you know, again, they're going through the process. So, it's a little bit one in the same. So, you know, the motion was to table the motion could have been to vote and then, it could have been a yes or no vote. So, you know, I know, we're kind of going a little bit out of sorts 'cuz I know there were a lot of questions and that's fine. I want to make sure the board has all their questions answered. So, it's fine.
I I don't like I don't want to inhibit anybody from having their questions answered. So. Makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, I think from our perspective, the process is stalled to the extent that curriculum needs to do something else to move it forward. Um stalled in the way of the table, a no vote is your right function similarly and or the same but clearly, if we're not moving forward and so, it's on us to figure out the next step. Yup. And we will do that. The first thing is to get the
resource for CRGC and the board to have that even opportunity And they're in route. Yeah, the publisher drove down a set that's here and then the rest were just waiting on and shipping. Sounds good. Board, any other, any other questions? Not for me, thank you. Okay, so the vote, the vote on the, on the table is to table it. So, Amy, we can go ahead and take the vote. Mister Chavez. No.
Missus Evanson. Yes. Missus Heights. Yes. Mister Jones. I'm sorry. Failure repeated. Sorry, no. Miss Lima. Yes. Okay. So, the item will be tabled. Alright, and then So next up. Okay. So we kind of had open board discussion during that time. Is there anything else? For open board discussion. No, sorry about that. I just had
questions. I apologize. It's fine that it it just gets a little, I know these things get a little tricky. So, again, I want, I want to make sure the board feels comfortable kind of going through these processes. So, Robert's roles just gets kind of particular and so I try to follow them as best I can but I'm willing to deviate from them so that I can make sure people feel like they can get their questions answered. So. Alright Um do you have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Okay.
Great. Peace everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Part: 2
To tonight's special meeting. Um we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. Uh Amy, if you want to go ahead and do roll call please. Mister Chavez. Here. Missus Evanson. Here. Missus Heights. Here. Mister Jones. Here. Miss Lima. Here. Alright, do I have a motion to approve the agenda for this evening? Motion to approve. Second. Mister Chavez.
Approved. Approved. Missus Evanson. Yes. Missus Heitz. Yes. Mister Jones. Yes. Miss Lima. Yes. Alright. so the first item up on our business items are the resource recommendation for 12th grade ELA. So, do I have a motion for this resource? A motion to approve the twelfth grade resource. Second. Alright, is there any discussion to approve the health
grade resource? I just wanted to say thanks for the extra time to have the opportunity to get through this a little bit more. Um as I got further into this and looking at how and I appreciate this also being the teacher's reference instead of the student reference because it gave me a little bit more of an idea of how this is going to be presented, assessed, things of that nature. And so I really appreciate that extra time because it gave me a little bit more
comfort in this than what I had, you know, on Tuesday. Um so, with having that extra time to get a little bit further through this, I feel comfortable in approving this at this point. So, Well, good. That's what we wanted to obviously achieve. So, I know we all get busy and we all have a lot of other things going on. So, do our best and and I do think that at our last meeting when we if we could get the resources in our hands, I know curriculum team was, you guys were trying to get it in
as quickly as possible as well, so we appreciate that, but, maybe even if we see a few of the resources ahead of time as well, and we can kind of review 'em, that might help, as well, just to help save time, so, I'm glad you had a little bit more time to look at it as well, is there any other discussion on the 12th grade resource? No. Okay? Seeing none, we can go ahead and take the vote on the twelfth grade resource Mister Chavez. Approved. Missus Evanson. Yes.
Missus Heitz. Yes. Mister Jones. Yes. Miss Lima. Yes. Okay, that passes unanimously. So, alright. Next up, on our agenda is the fourth grade social studies. So, is there a motion for the fourth grade social studies? I would actually like to motion to table this. This particular one just to honor the work of the CRGC and give ourselves a
little more time to see the alternate resource. Okay. They've been unable to get that in yet. Um I spoke with Jen earlier and she they're still waiting to try to get a hold of that other resource. Okay, so with tabling an item, we don't have discussion. So, we're voting on tabling the item. So, we can go ahead and take the vote on tabling the item. Did we. Can can we. Second on that. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, we need a second for tabling. You're correct. Is there a second for tabling in
fourth grade resource? Hi, Kim. Can we ask you a question or do we have to wait till we. Yes, go ahead and ask a question. So, my question would be, if we table this, what are we teaching the kids this summer? Is there no resource for the kids this summer? Or what's? I think yeah why don't you explain what the time frame would look like? There's currently no board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies in circulation. You've heard about previous publications
that are well out of date. So teachers teach the standards with the resources that they have and that they can curate. There's not a board adoption resource for fourth grade social studies. Yes. Barb, you have your hand up? I did. So, so what you're saying is currently, there is no adopted fourth grade social studies. Is that correct? You'll find some titles on the list that were adopted but they're all well out of printed circulation. So, there's nothing common. Those were all So if you really need some
nineties like titles that are out of circulation not prints anymore. Which is why this was up for a recommendation. So there are probably two schools who still have access to an older text on the list. But we've tried to get those copies from used bookstores. Uh had little success. So correct. There's no board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies currently. It's in circulation. That's true for a lot of social studies. Uh that's true for all of the grades and social
studies in elementary. Will, you had your hand up? No, I, I, I guess you guys had just answered it. So, what would, what would be the timeline if you guys could try to either get the other curriculum or figure something else out? I mean, what would be, what's what is our absolute deadline? As I know, like, today, would have been ideal. Yeah. But what is the absolute deadline for us to get anything done? Uh well, we're in a tricky situation here because CRGC takes recommendations wrong with resource selection teams. The resource selection team
appraise a second resource, and a third. Only one is high quality enough to bring it forward to CRTC but they're not bringing, we wouldn't bring it forward as a recommendation of the resource selection team because that wouldn't be accurate. They didn't make a recommendation. They, they made a recommendation for Colorado story. They have appraised all of the available resources for in multiple iterations against rubrics. There's another resource that's of high quality but it's not an
official recommendation. So, we're sort of an uncharted territory where if CRGC were to review that material, we wouldn't want to bring it to the board as though the board had a choice between two materials. We'd want resolution on the current recommendation that's in front of us before considering another path. Uh I suppose that could all happen in one board meeting. Um but again, we wouldn't be bringing it as a recommendation from this election team. We will be bringing it possibly as a recommendation from CRCC if
That was the consensus and so we would bring all the data from the resource recommendation team to CRGC. We wouldn't ask CRGC to take the role of the recommendation team and we can't reconvene the recommendation team to make a different recommendation that process is complete. And so that was complete against the standards and the rubric. The purview that and discretion that the board is exercising is the boards to exercise. So there's not an issue or
an argument there. It's just that with we wouldn't ask the recommendation team to reconvene and consider the board's concerns and we wouldn't ask CRGC but we do want them to review the process. Right. We want them to review the process and then bring it forward to the board. So, CRGC is the next appropriate step in terms of going forward, I think, but we wouldn't, it's not as though we want the new process to be the board to consider two resources and select between them. That that wouldn't be
appropriate. We have our resource recommendation team to make those recommendations. They go to CRGC from CRGC to the board. And so in this case, CRDC is another resource high quality. Given the complete work that was done by the recommendation team. So your timeline was out. Your question will was about a timeline. Uh it sort of depends on what happens here tonight. Uh if table I would need to think about how best to communicate, go forward, and engage with CRTC and we have to call a
meeting. Uh which we can do. We can do this next week. Mhm. Yep. Thank you. Um off second, the motion to table it. Ready for the boat? Well, Barb has her hand up. Go ahead, Barb. I guess I'm just, I'm so confused like, do we need to vote on the first resource Is that what you're telling me? Because I'm, I guess I'm just kind of confused. I mean, I understand that Fritzko for the next resource to go to CRGC, it has to go through that
process before it comes before the board but do we have to vote on the first resource before you will move a second resource to CRGC? So, we know that the board is unable to perform on the workforce but they're voting no more to enroll and so, if there's not enough vote, if there's not a motion forward in the process, if we're not moving forward with the incidences vote, we know we need to do something different. In this case, we'll go back to see what you see. And we'll bring you the second one. Okay, yeah. I guess we just want to make sure we're keeping you that it's
clear. I guess there's enough hesitation with the one that was recommended to the board and I don't know whether it would come more clear to you for the board to either take a vote on it or that it's more clear if it's table and so I guess we just want to make sure that we're clear with you all. A bright bark like I don't know whether it's tabled because there's there's a lot of questions from the board on the resource or if it needs to just or
or table it. So, I I guess we would just want to make sure we're clear. I don't know what you're trying to get at for everybody. I believe that tangling is appropriate. Um that second resource that was reviewed and we will bring it to CRGC. They can review. We'll look at the process and then we would like to then present it. And then we can decide how what the next best vote would be. Okay, Right. Because what I'm hearing is, we're not going to be
looking at this resource that was presented to us, and then comparing it to this other resource. You guys are now going to be looking at this other resource, and now presenting that one as the one to the board, correct? Yes. Yes. And, and we're going to have to put another, because this is your, the boards, right to-do, right? So, while we've never been in this space or place before, here's an opportunity to write what that process would look like. Okay. Yeah, I think we're we're
solved here, if solved here, then we reconvene CRG, correct? Yep. Okay. And we'll be back. Alright, so we have to get all of the the resources, our, our best late plan is to get with CRGC, but we've gotta make sure we're getting all the resources. I know that you've said you've gotten one. Right, Jackie? Publisher. There are kits. We have one of the kits here and the others are being shipped. I think they'll be carried very soon today, to or tomorrow, or the next day? Um,
I don't know the I think we have six kits coming. Mhm. So. And each unit is a kit, right? Um I should have brought it physically. Uh there are there's one box with kits and two kits that go on top of it. Barb, another question? Yes, So, when those kids come in, I know it's my understanding that it's going to be going not necessarily before the committee but to CRGC. So,
when is the soonest that we could get those resources to start reviewing them? Jen's looking at dates but that would be immediately following CRGC if there was consensus from CRGC to go forward. So, CRGC would review the process of the recommendation team, the scoring on the bricks, the materials themselves and then, CRG seemed to take a consensus vote If that were successful, go forward as a recommendation and the very next day or even that night, you could pick up
materials. We could get those too. Okay. Um so just out of curiosity, is there any reason why we couldn't get it sooner than that and then if it's not presented to us as a reference, then, we just give it back. That way, it would just give us a little bit more opportunity to get through it. Since we know that's literally the only one that we're going to be looking at. Let us get back to you on days. My my hesitancy with that is just coming back to process. We don't want to be in a place where we're asking the board to consider a recommendation before COBC has considered a
recommendation and we don't want CRG influenced in that, right? It's their independent review of those processes. So, it's important to us that these teams operate somewhat independently for the integrity of the recommendation that comes but we also want to honor that we're up against tight timelines. So, I think if we could set CRGC, if we could make that meeting happen sooner than later, then, that gives you more time. Jose Luis? Yep, I have a question. Uh Will you be able to let us know why that Sacca resource wasn't
chosen as the first resource also? Cuz I would like to know the reasons for that. Yes. That you'll see it real transparently in the scoring. Yeah. See what you see. But we don't want you to know what we wouldn't do is come to the board and say which of these two resources decide which one you want to vote on or vote on both. That's that's that would circumvent import processes. And so we only give some from CRGC. They won't be bringing more than source and we ask
you to evaluate it on its own. The merits of it itself and not as compared to the resource that we just and that's the same thing that will tell CRGC. We're not asking you to compare the two resources. It is helpful to see the scoring side by side to understand the strength of the resource in front of them. But their job is not to pair the two in it's the assess the strength of the one in front of them based on the standards. Based on the standards. Based on the standards. And what they're not at optical.
Okay. People who do all the comparing are the are the members of the resource recommendation team. Wilt. Yeah, Will, do you have a question? Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm sorry. I know we're not supposed to have discussion but my question is, if we table this, aren't we, aren't we indeed saying no, we don't want the first one. So, it's actually we're kind of voting the first one down. So, that's my, I don't understand if we table it, then, we're tabling the whole thing but wire, but we're, I guess, and since saying, we don't want the first one, get us a different one. So, I I just don't understand the
difference between table and just not voting. I guess. I don't know. It's a little bit of kind of one and the same. That's I just wanted to make sure that, I mean, because, you know, tabling, we either, you could table an item till the next meeting, or you can table something indefinitely. That's why I just wanted to make sure with the curriculum team, with Jackie's and Jen team, that, if they needed a, an actual vote from the board, that we could give them that. Um, one, you know, in my mind,
if they bring us another resource. I mean, you know, we could vote this one but if we're, if they present us with a different resource, you know, again, they're going through the process. So, it's a little bit one in the same. So, you know, the motion was to table the motion could have been to vote and then, it could have been a yes or no vote. So, you know, I know, we're kind of going a little bit out of sorts 'cuz I know there were a lot of questions and that's fine. I want to make sure the board has all their questions answered. So, it's fine.
I I don't like I don't want to inhibit anybody from having their questions answered. So. Makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, I think from our perspective, the process is stalled to the extent that curriculum needs to do something else to move it forward. Um stalled in the way of the table, a no vote is your right function similarly and or the same but clearly, if we're not moving forward and so, it's on us to figure out the next step. Yup. And we will do that. The first thing is to get the
resource for CRGC and the board to have that even opportunity And they're in route. Yeah, the publisher drove down a set that's here and then the rest were just waiting on and shipping. Sounds good. Board, any other, any other questions? Not for me, thank you. Okay, so the vote, the vote on the, on the table is to table it. So, Amy, we can go ahead and take the vote. Mister Chavez. No.
Missus Evanson. Yes. Missus Heights. Yes. Mister Jones. I'm sorry. Failure repeated. Sorry, no. Miss Lima. Yes. Okay. So, the item will be tabled. Alright, and then So next up. Okay. So we kind of had open board discussion during that time. Is there anything else? For open board discussion. No, sorry about that. I just had
questions. I apologize. It's fine that it it just gets a little, I know these things get a little tricky. So, again, I want, I want to make sure the board feels comfortable kind of going through these processes. So, Robert's roles just gets kind of particular and so I try to follow them as best I can but I'm willing to deviate from them so that I can make sure people feel like they can get their questions answered. So. Alright Um do you have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Okay.
Great. Peace everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Part: 3
To tonight's special meeting. Um we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. Uh Amy, if you want to go ahead and do roll call please. Mister Chavez. Here. Missus Evanson. Here. Missus Heights. Here. Mister Jones. Here. Miss Lima. Here. Alright, do I have a motion to approve the agenda for this evening? Motion to approve. Second. Mister Chavez.
Approved. Approved. Missus Evanson. Yes. Missus Heitz. Yes. Mister Jones. Yes. Miss Lima. Yes. Alright. so the first item up on our business items are the resource recommendation for 12th grade ELA. So, do I have a motion for this resource? A motion to approve the twelfth grade resource. Second. Alright, is there any discussion to approve the health
grade resource? I just wanted to say thanks for the extra time to have the opportunity to get through this a little bit more. Um as I got further into this and looking at how and I appreciate this also being the teacher's reference instead of the student reference because it gave me a little bit more of an idea of how this is going to be presented, assessed, things of that nature. And so I really appreciate that extra time because it gave me a little bit more
comfort in this than what I had, you know, on Tuesday. Um so, with having that extra time to get a little bit further through this, I feel comfortable in approving this at this point. So, Well, good. That's what we wanted to obviously achieve. So, I know we all get busy and we all have a lot of other things going on. So, do our best and and I do think that at our last meeting when we if we could get the resources in our hands, I know curriculum team was, you guys were trying to get it in
as quickly as possible as well, so we appreciate that, but, maybe even if we see a few of the resources ahead of time as well, and we can kind of review 'em, that might help, as well, just to help save time, so, I'm glad you had a little bit more time to look at it as well, is there any other discussion on the 12th grade resource? No. Okay? Seeing none, we can go ahead and take the vote on the twelfth grade resource Mister Chavez. Approved. Missus Evanson. Yes.
Missus Heitz. Yes. Mister Jones. Yes. Miss Lima. Yes. Okay, that passes unanimously. So, alright. Next up, on our agenda is the fourth grade social studies. So, is there a motion for the fourth grade social studies? I would actually like to motion to table this. This particular one just to honor the work of the CRGC and give ourselves a
little more time to see the alternate resource. Okay. They've been unable to get that in yet. Um I spoke with Jen earlier and she they're still waiting to try to get a hold of that other resource. Okay, so with tabling an item, we don't have discussion. So, we're voting on tabling the item. So, we can go ahead and take the vote on tabling the item. Did we. Can can we. Second on that. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, we need a second for tabling. You're correct. Is there a second for tabling in
fourth grade resource? Hi, Kim. Can we ask you a question or do we have to wait till we. Yes, go ahead and ask a question. So, my question would be, if we table this, what are we teaching the kids this summer? Is there no resource for the kids this summer? Or what's? I think yeah why don't you explain what the time frame would look like? There's currently no board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies in circulation. You've heard about previous publications
that are well out of date. So teachers teach the standards with the resources that they have and that they can curate. There's not a board adoption resource for fourth grade social studies. Yes. Barb, you have your hand up? I did. So, so what you're saying is currently, there is no adopted fourth grade social studies. Is that correct? You'll find some titles on the list that were adopted but they're all well out of printed circulation. So, there's nothing common. Those were all So if you really need some
nineties like titles that are out of circulation not prints anymore. Which is why this was up for a recommendation. So there are probably two schools who still have access to an older text on the list. But we've tried to get those copies from used bookstores. Uh had little success. So correct. There's no board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies currently. It's in circulation. That's true for a lot of social studies. Uh that's true for all of the grades and social
studies in elementary. Will, you had your hand up? No, I, I, I guess you guys had just answered it. So, what would, what would be the timeline if you guys could try to either get the other curriculum or figure something else out? I mean, what would be, what's what is our absolute deadline? As I know, like, today, would have been ideal. Yeah. But what is the absolute deadline for us to get anything done? Uh well, we're in a tricky situation here because CRGC takes recommendations wrong with resource selection teams. The resource selection team
appraise a second resource, and a third. Only one is high quality enough to bring it forward to CRTC but they're not bringing, we wouldn't bring it forward as a recommendation of the resource selection team because that wouldn't be accurate. They didn't make a recommendation. They, they made a recommendation for Colorado story. They have appraised all of the available resources for in multiple iterations against rubrics. There's another resource that's of high quality but it's not an
official recommendation. So, we're sort of an uncharted territory where if CRGC were to review that material, we wouldn't want to bring it to the board as though the board had a choice between two materials. We'd want resolution on the current recommendation that's in front of us before considering another path. Uh I suppose that could all happen in one board meeting. Um but again, we wouldn't be bringing it as a recommendation from this election team. We will be bringing it possibly as a recommendation from CRCC if
That was the consensus and so we would bring all the data from the resource recommendation team to CRGC. We wouldn't ask CRGC to take the role of the recommendation team and we can't reconvene the recommendation team to make a different recommendation that process is complete. And so that was complete against the standards and the rubric. The purview that and discretion that the board is exercising is the boards to exercise. So there's not an issue or
an argument there. It's just that with we wouldn't ask the recommendation team to reconvene and consider the board's concerns and we wouldn't ask CRGC but we do want them to review the process. Right. We want them to review the process and then bring it forward to the board. So, CRGC is the next appropriate step in terms of going forward, I think, but we wouldn't, it's not as though we want the new process to be the board to consider two resources and select between them. That that wouldn't be
appropriate. We have our resource recommendation team to make those recommendations. They go to CRGC from CRGC to the board. And so in this case, CRDC is another resource high quality. Given the complete work that was done by the recommendation team. So your timeline was out. Your question will was about a timeline. Uh it sort of depends on what happens here tonight. Uh if table I would need to think about how best to communicate, go forward, and engage with CRTC and we have to call a
meeting. Uh which we can do. We can do this next week. Mhm. Yep. Thank you. Um off second, the motion to table it. Ready for the boat? Well, Barb has her hand up. Go ahead, Barb. I guess I'm just, I'm so confused like, do we need to vote on the first resource Is that what you're telling me? Because I'm, I guess I'm just kind of confused. I mean, I understand that Fritzko for the next resource to go to CRGC, it has to go through that
process before it comes before the board but do we have to vote on the first resource before you will move a second resource to CRGC? So, we know that the board is unable to perform on the workforce but they're voting no more to enroll and so, if there's not enough vote, if there's not a motion forward in the process, if we're not moving forward with the incidences vote, we know we need to do something different. In this case, we'll go back to see what you see. And we'll bring you the second one. Okay, yeah. I guess we just want to make sure we're keeping you that it's
clear. I guess there's enough hesitation with the one that was recommended to the board and I don't know whether it would come more clear to you for the board to either take a vote on it or that it's more clear if it's table and so I guess we just want to make sure that we're clear with you all. A bright bark like I don't know whether it's tabled because there's there's a lot of questions from the board on the resource or if it needs to just or
or table it. So, I I guess we would just want to make sure we're clear. I don't know what you're trying to get at for everybody. I believe that tangling is appropriate. Um that second resource that was reviewed and we will bring it to CRGC. They can review. We'll look at the process and then we would like to then present it. And then we can decide how what the next best vote would be. Okay, Right. Because what I'm hearing is, we're not going to be
looking at this resource that was presented to us, and then comparing it to this other resource. You guys are now going to be looking at this other resource, and now presenting that one as the one to the board, correct? Yes. Yes. And, and we're going to have to put another, because this is your, the boards, right to-do, right? So, while we've never been in this space or place before, here's an opportunity to write what that process would look like. Okay. Yeah, I think we're we're
solved here, if solved here, then we reconvene CRG, correct? Yep. Okay. And we'll be back. Alright, so we have to get all of the the resources, our, our best late plan is to get with CRGC, but we've gotta make sure we're getting all the resources. I know that you've said you've gotten one. Right, Jackie? Publisher. There are kits. We have one of the kits here and the others are being shipped. I think they'll be carried very soon today, to or tomorrow, or the next day? Um,
I don't know the I think we have six kits coming. Mhm. So. And each unit is a kit, right? Um I should have brought it physically. Uh there are there's one box with kits and two kits that go on top of it. Barb, another question? Yes, So, when those kids come in, I know it's my understanding that it's going to be going not necessarily before the committee but to CRGC. So,
when is the soonest that we could get those resources to start reviewing them? Jen's looking at dates but that would be immediately following CRGC if there was consensus from CRGC to go forward. So, CRGC would review the process of the recommendation team, the scoring on the bricks, the materials themselves and then, CRG seemed to take a consensus vote If that were successful, go forward as a recommendation and the very next day or even that night, you could pick up
materials. We could get those too. Okay. Um so just out of curiosity, is there any reason why we couldn't get it sooner than that and then if it's not presented to us as a reference, then, we just give it back. That way, it would just give us a little bit more opportunity to get through it. Since we know that's literally the only one that we're going to be looking at. Let us get back to you on days. My my hesitancy with that is just coming back to process. We don't want to be in a place where we're asking the board to consider a recommendation before COBC has considered a
recommendation and we don't want CRG influenced in that, right? It's their independent review of those processes. So, it's important to us that these teams operate somewhat independently for the integrity of the recommendation that comes but we also want to honor that we're up against tight timelines. So, I think if we could set CRGC, if we could make that meeting happen sooner than later, then, that gives you more time. Jose Luis? Yep, I have a question. Uh Will you be able to let us know why that Sacca resource wasn't
chosen as the first resource also? Cuz I would like to know the reasons for that. Yes. That you'll see it real transparently in the scoring. Yeah. See what you see. But we don't want you to know what we wouldn't do is come to the board and say which of these two resources decide which one you want to vote on or vote on both. That's that's that would circumvent import processes. And so we only give some from CRGC. They won't be bringing more than source and we ask
you to evaluate it on its own. The merits of it itself and not as compared to the resource that we just and that's the same thing that will tell CRGC. We're not asking you to compare the two resources. It is helpful to see the scoring side by side to understand the strength of the resource in front of them. But their job is not to pair the two in it's the assess the strength of the one in front of them based on the standards. Based on the standards. Based on the standards. And what they're not at optical.
Okay. People who do all the comparing are the are the members of the resource recommendation team. Wilt. Yeah, Will, do you have a question? Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm sorry. I know we're not supposed to have discussion but my question is, if we table this, aren't we, aren't we indeed saying no, we don't want the first one. So, it's actually we're kind of voting the first one down. So, that's my, I don't understand if we table it, then, we're tabling the whole thing but wire, but we're, I guess, and since saying, we don't want the first one, get us a different one. So, I I just don't understand the
difference between table and just not voting. I guess. I don't know. It's a little bit of kind of one and the same. That's I just wanted to make sure that, I mean, because, you know, tabling, we either, you could table an item till the next meeting, or you can table something indefinitely. That's why I just wanted to make sure with the curriculum team, with Jackie's and Jen team, that, if they needed a, an actual vote from the board, that we could give them that. Um, one, you know, in my mind,
if they bring us another resource. I mean, you know, we could vote this one but if we're, if they present us with a different resource, you know, again, they're going through the process. So, it's a little bit one in the same. So, you know, the motion was to table the motion could have been to vote and then, it could have been a yes or no vote. So, you know, I know, we're kind of going a little bit out of sorts 'cuz I know there were a lot of questions and that's fine. I want to make sure the board has all their questions answered. So, it's fine.
I I don't like I don't want to inhibit anybody from having their questions answered. So. Makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, I think from our perspective, the process is stalled to the extent that curriculum needs to do something else to move it forward. Um stalled in the way of the table, a no vote is your right function similarly and or the same but clearly, if we're not moving forward and so, it's on us to figure out the next step. Yup. And we will do that. The first thing is to get the
resource for CRGC and the board to have that even opportunity And they're in route. Yeah, the publisher drove down a set that's here and then the rest were just waiting on and shipping. Sounds good. Board, any other, any other questions? Not for me, thank you. Okay, so the vote, the vote on the, on the table is to table it. So, Amy, we can go ahead and take the vote. Mister Chavez. No.
Missus Evanson. Yes. Missus Heights. Yes. Mister Jones. I'm sorry. Failure repeated. Sorry, no. Miss Lima. Yes. Okay. So, the item will be tabled. Alright, and then So next up. Okay. So we kind of had open board discussion during that time. Is there anything else? For open board discussion. No, sorry about that. I just had
questions. I apologize. It's fine that it it just gets a little, I know these things get a little tricky. So, again, I want, I want to make sure the board feels comfortable kind of going through these processes. So, Robert's roles just gets kind of particular and so I try to follow them as best I can but I'm willing to deviate from them so that I can make sure people feel like they can get their questions answered. So. Alright Um do you have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Okay.
Great. Peace everybody. Thank you. Thank you.