WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=JiQSKTyrZas NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: JiQSKTyrZas): - 00:02:08: Introductory Sounds & Preparing for the Meeting - 00:07:21: Official Roll Call and Hybrid Format Announcements - 00:07:54: City Attorney Updates on Lobbyist Registration - 00:10:08: Approval of Minutes with Correction to Item Nine - 00:11:22: Continuances and Withdrawals: DRB25-1099, Alton Road - 00:14:28: New Application: 1250 West Ave. Overlay District - 00:20:06: Applicant's Presentation: Michael Larkin, Support Agreements - 00:24:58: Technical Presentation: Fernando Marin, ODP Architects - 00:28:21: Detailed Design Presentation: Renata Fulateno, Studio MK27 - 00:32:43: Resiliency, Materiality and Floor Plans Explanation - 00:41:24: Public Comments: Christina Vega, Alleged Jurisdictional Defect - 00:43:28: Public Comments: Jason Gross, Condo Board President Support - 00:44:33: Public Comments: Isaac Lusgard, Resident Favor Project - 00:45:59: Public Comments: Fifi Bassin, Resident Support - 00:46:32: Public Comments: Raleigh Smith, Resident Favor New Development - 00:47:25: Public Comments: Al Horovitz, Building Enhances Landscape - 00:47:59: Public Comments: Liz Kennedy, Positive Impact on Community - 00:48:50: Public Comments: Candace Pavik, Building Sets the President - 00:50:43: Public Comments: Seth Fer, West Ave Resident - Complete Baywalk - 00:51:49: Public Comments: Taylor Travalone, One Southern - Details Matter - 00:52:54: Public Comments: Julian - Miami Beach Improvement Needed - 00:53:59: Public Comments: Jacob Osulin, Natural Materials, Landscaping - 00:54:52: Public Comments: Sam Edelstein, Welcomes Bikini Hostel Gone - 00:55:49: Public Comments: Alex Austis, Organic Landscape & Boardwalk - 00:56:43: Public Comments: Isabelle, Bikini Hostel Replacement Needed - 00:57:15: Public Comments: Alexandra Kachiva, Welcomes Community Asset - 00:58:10: Public Comments: Tyler Pasco, Welcomed Miami Addition - 00:58:45: Public Comments: Matthew Ganoff, Concerned Baywalk Location - 01:00:37: Public Comments: Marco Guanovich, Enhancement of West Avenue - 01:01:24: Board Questions: Baywalk Timing, Details, Mandrian - 01:04:26: Westside Highway & Highline Benefit, Aesthetic Design Details - 01:05:33: Wooden Aluminum, Cladding Material Customization - 01:07:19: Sizeable Construction Period Defined, Cleaning - 01:08:45: Skyline Beauty, Board Questions Baywalk Location - 01:10:56: Shoreline, Baywalk Committee View, Street Design Questions - 01:16:32: Camera Integration with City on Baywalk, Security - 01:17:22: Backup Baywalk, Viewing Platform, Fencing, Water - 01:22:10: If City Proceeds w/Park Parcel to Design Review - 01:22:59: Bioell System, Vegatative Runoff System Integration - 01:24:50: Rooftop - Minimalist Design with Landscaping & Lights - 01:31:42: Building Lights at Night, Focus Points, Lamp - 01:33:05: Parking, Detail Design Creation with This Project - 01:33:47: Motion to Approve - Review Real Time Camera Access - 01:38:11: G5/1700 Convention Center Drive Padde court - 01:41:59: G5/1700 Convention Center Drive Padde court cont. - 01:44:44: G5 Application Applicant: Graeme Penn, Details - 01:49:23: Paddle X: Public Benefits and Design Introduction - 01:50:10: Design Studio Presentation: Floor Plans and Conceptual Elements - 01:53:53: Paddle X: Project Approval Request and Disclosures - 01:54:51: Public Comment: Paddle X Signage and City Branding - 01:56:30: Public Comment: Signage and Number of Parking Spaces - 01:59:11: Public Comment: Parking Utilization and Design Integration - 02:00:49: Public Comment: Design Question - Structure Integrity - 02:01:53: Public Comment: AI Image and Code Compliance - 02:03:02: Public Comment: Signage Proposal Submissions - 02:03:18: Public Comment: Garage Location and Awareness - 02:05:11: Public Comment: Building Aesthetics - 02:06:15: Public Comment: Ground Level Signage - 02:07:18: Public Comment: Garage Signage Compliance - 02:08:06: Public Comment: Garage Funding Allocation - 02:08:38: Public Comment: Structure Question- Canvas Skin - 02:10:24: Public Comment: Skin Inflation and Structure Designs - 02:11:28: Public Comment: Facility Impact and Concerns - 02:14:12: Public Comment: Technical Challenges - 02:15:16: Public Comment: Lounge and Wind Design - 02:16:04: Public Comment: Community Value and Commendation - 02:17:26: Public Comment: Renderings and Height of Facility - 02:18:14: Public Comment: Roof Section Pattern Variation - 02:20:08: Public Comment: View of Paddle Courts - 02:21:10: Paddle Expert Explain View and Material Details - 02:22:53: Courts Numbers and Hurricane Protection and Details - 02:25:55: Final Remarks and Motion to Approve PaddleX Design - 02:27:35: Inflatables Skin To Be Fully Thoughout- Approval Voting - 02:29:16: Recommendations: Package Delivery and Roofdeck Percentage - 02:30:37: Out of Proportion, Scenery and the Commission - 02:31:59: Limit Restrictions on the Setbacks - 02:32:31: Variance For Waiver On The Setbacks - 02:33:18: Always Been Setbacks-No More Rooftop - 02:34:09: Use Of The Setbacks Numbers - 02:35:31: Motion to Propose To The Commision - 02:36:35: What The Codes Requires Today - 02:37:25: Make The Commision Change Something For It To Make Sense - 02:38:46: Recommendation To The Commision - 02:40:21: Walkability Of The Use Of the Roof - 02:41:13: Recommendations Keep The Setback - 02:42:33: Be Able To Enjoy These Places - 02:43:59: Motions By Mr.Asion And Miss Leuen- All Those - 02:44:59: Properly Comply And Communication - 02:54:17: Disclosure At The Beginning Of Public Hearing - 02:55:20: Single Family Residential Districts - 02:57:12: The Neighbor Do Not Get A Veto - 02:58:02: Pre-Application Meeting with Applicant - 02:58:51: 70 The Community Center Drafting Somethings - 02:59:26: Community Center North Beach Request Design Board - 03:01:23: Commission Outside Of Our Jurisdiction - 03:03:30: Role As Design Review Board - 03:04:25: The Impact Comings From Us As a Group - 03:05:12: Private Influence With Design - 03:06:38: All That Being Said To Be Sent - 03:08:19: Making A General Recommendation Not As The Project - 03:09:09: Community Input Disconnect Betweeen The Site - 03:10:28: The GU District Regulations - 03:11:47: Floor Plans Weren't Review By All Parties - 03:12:52: Adminstration Is Swaying Vote And Thoughts - 03:14:04: Operational or a Policy Decision That Is Not A Design - 03:15:26: The Results Of The Mailer - 03:16:50: Can Be Puts To Somewhere Else - 03:17:23: Modifications Should Be Limited Those Specific - 03:18:44: Somewhat Schematics Design Remember And Tell Have To UnderGround - 03:19:51: We Need To Change And They Start Working - 03:20:22: Send A Later Say A Member - 03:21:25: Not Capicity As A Memeber A Persons - 03:22:00: Personally Raised My Hands Make Sure Not Boked - 03:23:04: Conclude The Discussions Motion To Adjurn Part: 1 1 00:02:08.640 --> 00:04:30.199 Heat. Heat. get back to Get it. Get it. Get up. 2 00:04:53.840 --> 00:07:05.360 Nar Knowing you better love you. Baby, my time. My time Please take your seats. The meeting is about to begin. Remember to speak into 3 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:21.120 the microphone as this meeting is being recorded for public record. Please stand by. We are going on air in 5 4 3 2 1. >> Good morning. Welcome to the May 14th, 4 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:37.360 2016 2026 uh DRB meeting. Um we can start with attendance. All right. Good morning everybody. I'm going to do a roll call. Uh Chair Meshber >> here. >> Vice Chair Bhutavoli 5 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:53.000 >> here. >> Uh Mr. Asion >> here. >> Mr. Lester >> here. Miss Leuen >> here. >> Miss Mindage >> here. >> Mr. Pas >> and I can confirm we have a quorum with seven of seven members present. 6 00:07:54.000 --> 00:08:09.280 >> Okay. Um, >> city attorney >> city attorney updates. >> Thank you. Good morning. Today's meeting of the design review board is being conducted in a hybrid format with a quorum of the board physically present in the commission chambers at Miami Beach City Hall and applicants, staff, and members of the public appearing 7 00:08:09.280 --> 00:08:26.879 either in person or virtually via Zoom. Anyone wishing to participate in today's meeting via Zoom may dial the toll-free number which is 888-4754499 and enter the webinar ID which is 822 73941924 followed by the pound sign or log into 8 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:44.159 the Zoom app and enter the webinar ID which again is 82273941924. Individuals wishing to speak on an item must click the raise hand icon if they are using the Zoom app or dial star 9 if participating by phone. Before I swear in those who are testifying, I'm 9 00:08:44.159 --> 00:09:00.880 going to read into the record the city's notice regarding lobbyist registration. If you are appearing on behalf of a business, a corporation, or another person, including as an architect, attorney, or representative of an applicant, or an objector, you need to register as a lobbyist with the city clerk's office before speaking to the board. You do not have to register as a 10 00:09:00.880 --> 00:09:17.279 lobbyist if you are speaking only on behalf of yourself. You are testifying as an expert witness providing only scientific, technical, or other specialized information or you are appearing as a representative of a neighborhood association without any compensation or reimbursement for your appearance to express support for or 11 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:34.160 opposition to any item. Expert witnesses and representatives of neighborhood associations shall prior to appearing disclose in writing to the city clerk their name, address, and the principal on whose behalf they are communicating. These rules apply whether you are appearing in favor of or against an item or encouraging or arguing against its 12 00:09:34.160 --> 00:09:50.480 passage, defeat, modification, or continuence. I will now swear on everyone who is physically present in the commission chambers and intends to testify. Virtual speakers will need to be sworn in one by one before addressing the board. So, if you'll be giving testimony, please raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony you will 13 00:09:50.480 --> 00:10:08.880 be giving in this proceeding is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Next would be approval of the minutes. >> Make a motion to approve the minutes. 14 00:10:08.880 --> 00:10:26.399 >> Uh, Mr. Chair, I'd like to uh second it with an a correction to maybe what is a script error um on the back of the page of the minutes. Uh item nine new applications where it indicates approved changes to 15 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:42.920 the structure was 5 to zero. It should reflect 6 to one as pi as being the only center >> and and that's correct. That is that is a scrivener's error. We have that we have that in our notes. So we will make that correction. 16 00:10:44.160 --> 00:11:00.320 >> So I have second. >> Okay. So minutes. All right. So we have a motion by Miss Bagawi, a second by Mr. Pas. Uh all those in favor? 17 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:22.000 >> I any opposed? All right. Motion passes. Um, we do not have any other business today on the consent agenda. >> No, no items on the consent agenda today. >> Um, and we have some continuences and 18 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:41.360 withdrawals today. >> Yes. Um, item DRB25-1099. um this item will will uh likely need um some additional variances that will require renoticing. Um so the application in the event that it does 19 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:59.200 not need those variances um we would request that the item be continued to the June 10th June 9th meeting 11th sorry June 11th meeting. Um, but it's likely that the item will have to be renoticed and actually come back before the July uh 20 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:14.639 July 9th meeting. >> I make a motion to open and continue the DRB item 24-1061 to either June 9th, June 11th or July meeting. >> So yeah, it would be continue to the 21 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:31.680 June 11th. Um, if it does need to come to the July, it'll it'll just be renoticed. >> Okay. >> Second. Okay, we have a a motion by Miss Paakavoli, second by Mr. PZ. All those in favor? >> I motion passes. 22 00:12:31.680 --> 00:12:48.079 Okay. Um the next um item uh DRB 24 1061. That's 1414 Alton Road. The applicant is here so they can describe, but I believe it's being deferred and we'll notice it at a later date. 23 00:12:48.079 --> 00:13:05.200 >> Uh good. Uh good morning everyone. Graham Penn 200 South Biscane Boulevard. This is the Bank of America application that we've uh continued a couple times, but the good news is we were able to resubmit um hopefully for the final submitt on Sunday. So that would put us 24 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:20.240 on the July agenda if everything goes well. Sub so it will be renoticed because it's been too long. Um, and uh, again, so I I think the so I would ask for us to be moved to the July agenda. 25 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:43.360 I'm looking at Mr. Madan's face like he's puzzled that we resubmitted and I want to make sure we have, but the uh, >> double checking that >> the earliest that it would be uh, in in July. >> We can talk offline about it, but I don't see it. >> Okay. That's good and bad news for me. 26 00:13:43.360 --> 00:14:02.120 But the uh so but again we are done with the revisions. So I mean obviously we can't go forward today. So we would ask for it to be continued uh until July. >> I'll make a motion to continue to July. >> Second. 27 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:28.320 >> Um okay. So the motion was by uh Miss Leuen. And I I didn't hear who Miss Bakugawi seconded. >> Second. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Motion passes. >> Thank you so much. >> Okay. Our first new application today, 28 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:44.480 1250 West Avenue. Uh DRB 25 1159 1250 West Avenue. This application has been filed requesting design review approval for the construction of a new 28story multif family building with accessory uses including one or more waiverss to 29 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:59.360 replace an existing multif family building. Okay. So um just for background purposes um last year in June of 2025 the city commission approved an ordinance uh 20254749 which created the Alton Beach Bayfront 30 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:15.120 Overlay District which applies to this subject parcel. And the city commission also approved resolution 202533803 which was a development agreement which provided some additional development incentives for this site and the developer is also agreeing to complete 31 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:30.639 several portions of the Baywalk and a few other public benefits um for that for that neighborhood. Um the the overlay what it provides for is is some additional um F with a bonus structure to grant that F um which provides a 32 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:47.680 maximum F of up to of 5.75. Additional height um it provides for a height limit of 330 ft excuse me and some other some other benefits in terms of how the parking can be organized um and and uh and some 33 00:15:47.680 --> 00:16:04.959 additional other regulations. Um so this site is also in the RM3 district which is the high-intensity multif family district. Um and so the applicant has submitted a proposal for as as indicated in the title a 28 story building. The building is 329 ft 8 in tall um to the 34 00:16:04.959 --> 00:16:20.880 top of the slab and then there's there are some allowable height exceptions that are also included in that. Um the building is proposing for um the parking to be underground. Um there is a small retail component and other amenities on the ground floor and and in some of the 35 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:38.000 underground levels as well. Um so the um um so it's so it's it's an interesting in that regard and it's going to have to provide some some interesting flood proofing mechanisms for that. Um the uh the proposal um will provide for 106 residential units across those 27 floors 36 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:55.519 and four units per floor through level 2 through 27. Two units per floor on levels um on level 28. Um the minimum unit size is 1,67 ft and the average unit size is 3,479 ft. Um the um the proposed building is 37 00:16:55.519 --> 00:17:12.319 designed in a contemporary style. Um it has uh it's a simp slender tower. um with a with a heavily ground landscaped ground area. Um the um the project is proposing um um balcony the balconies are 38 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:26.880 integrated into the design of the building. It provides a very clean uh modern look. Um the one concern that staff has with the design is on the rooftop. Um the rooftop is is it this is going to be an iconic building in the skyline. it's going to stand out and so 39 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:42.240 staff feels that the rooftop uh needs a little bit more. Um so we're not telling the the applicant exactly what they should be proposing, but we think that uh that the design should include um some additional architectural treatments uh to provide some greater visual 40 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:58.160 interest. So that could be screen walls, exposed exposed structural elements, decorative architectural structures, lighting features, aspire, um or any other any other decorative element just to give it a little bit of additional character and visibility um in the skyline to to provide some additional 41 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:14.000 visual interest. Um so that's that's the one design recommendation that staff has. Um additionally, the Appling is proposing to construct a baywalk. Um the Appalen is proposing for the Baywalk to be over the water and it will also include um an observation platform where 42 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:28.640 the public can can gather, stand and enjoy the bayfront. Um the project was submitted to the uh Miami Dade County Biscane Bay Shoreline uh development review committee um which is required for all development that's on the waterfront and the committee was 43 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:45.440 supportive of the proposal. uh and uh the committee did recommend that the that the DRB include some conditions in the board which we've included in the draft order uh related to providing a covenant ensuring that the path connects with other segments of the Baywalk um and that there be some signage um the 44 00:18:45.440 --> 00:19:01.520 applicant uh so so we've included those conditions and we've added some additional uh city conditions related to the Baywalk regarding the hours of operation um connectivity uh to to adjacent structures the ability to close the structure at night um and and and and some other conditions that are in 45 00:19:01.520 --> 00:19:17.120 the draft order. Uh staff is supportive of the Baywalk in that location. However, we have we do have one concern. Um the Baywalk over the water does require a modification to the development agreement as the original plans called for the Baywalk to be located on the upland portion on the on 46 00:19:17.120 --> 00:19:32.640 the western edge of the property. Um so that would require the city commission to agree to modify uh the development agreement in order to allow that. So staff has incorporated a condition that should um that not happen or should there be any other permitting issues since this is over the water this would 47 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:49.919 be um subject to review from other outside agencies. Um should there be any other permitting hiccups uh that would prevent that staff has incorporated a condition that they be required to provide the Baywalk on their um on their on the upland portion on the western edge of the property um subject to the 48 00:19:49.919 --> 00:20:06.160 review and approval of staff. So, um, so that that would be the one safe a safeguard that we would include in the draft order that we have in the draft order just in case something happens and they're not able to construct it in the way that's being proposed. Um, and with that, staff recommends that the application be approved subject to the 49 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:22.400 condition of the attack draft order. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, board member of staff. Michael Larkin, 200 Southeast Boulevard. Here representing the applicant, the terror group. With me today is ODP, our architect of record with Hernando Marin 50 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:39.520 representing ODP. We have studio MK27 from S. Paulo. They're our design consultant. We have Hernando Porinetto and Fernando Longi from that firm. We also have today my colleagues Nick Rodriguez and Carlos Marovich. The code requires at the beginning of the hearing 51 00:20:39.520 --> 00:20:55.440 that we disclose that there are any support agreements entered into with adjacent neighbors. Here we've entered into support agreements with Bay View Terrace which is our south neighbor and the Waverly condominium which is two properties to the north. The purpose of these agreements is to mitigate for 52 00:20:55.440 --> 00:21:12.400 construction impacts could be simple as washing their windows, washing their cars because dust does migrate north, south, east, west. And so these support agreements are meant to address all types of uh impacts that could result from the construction of our building which we understand and we're willing to 53 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:27.919 do what I also call good neighbor agreements to help them out during our uh sizable construction period. Um Raelic, can we pull up the presentation please? Next slide. So Raelio was correct that 54 00:21:27.919 --> 00:21:44.240 in June of last year the city commission took two actions. First, they adopted an overlay zoning district known as the Altim Beach Bayfront Overlay, which created a unique set of zoning regulations for this particular property. The other thing they did was adopt a development agreement. Development agreement is a vehicle by 55 00:21:44.240 --> 00:22:02.320 which benefits flow to the public from private applicant through the city to the public. It's a common device used throughout many local governments, including our city of Miami Beach. So that development agreement and the Alton Beach Bayfront Overlay was adopted in June of last year. The development 56 00:22:02.320 --> 00:22:17.679 agreement for instance required the acquisition of Bikini Hostel. I think you all know um just by living in Miami Beach that it was a nuisance use for a long time. Toward the end of its life it was turned into a shelter for the unhoused which is not a proper place to to put those people without the 57 00:22:17.679 --> 00:22:33.679 appropriate level of service. So we are thankful that that became an element of our development agreement. We acquired the property. We demolished it. Now we're just making it more of a vacant lot with landscaping and aluminum picket fence. We are under an obligation if the 58 00:22:33.679 --> 00:22:50.000 city so chooses to turn that into a park and then convey it to the city. If the city chooses just to accept the property as is, the city can do whatever it would like to do with that particular parcel. With regard to the Baywalk, um there are missing segments in the Baywalk. One is 59 00:22:50.000 --> 00:23:05.360 behind 800 West. One is immediately south of us at 1228. There's our segment. Then there's 1450. We're under obligation to reach agreements with these condo associations, we're working very closely with them. And once we reach agreement with them, we can continue the permitting for these 60 00:23:05.360 --> 00:23:20.400 missing segments. I think you all know as much as the Beachwalk is a wonderful asset to our community, the Baywalk could be as well. It's just these missing links do cause some concern and trying to navigate up and down to West Avenue back to the Baywalk. It's 61 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:37.280 somewhat ciruitous. So, we hope to resolve that issue by constructing these Baywalk segments. Um, next slide. There are several different um benefits that come with this particular project. A traffic reduction with a reduction in the unit count from uh today's unit 62 00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:52.480 count of 238. You of course get a reduction in traffic. You get a reduction in demand for water, sewer, school population. Everything benefits from a reduced density. The next slide over on the top is the housing aspect and that we are prohibiting short-term 63 00:23:52.480 --> 00:24:09.280 rentals. They have sometimes become the bane of neighborhoods existence. I know they're struggling with that a little bit in town center. Um, so here we volunteered to prohibit short-term rental. The Bayfront design, as you will see through the testimony of our architects, it really embraces the 64 00:24:09.280 --> 00:24:26.080 Bayfront resiliency. Of course, this is new construction. We're doing everything we can to make this building as sustainable, resilient as possible. The street presence, we push back the tower 150 ft from West Avenue, so it's not hovering over West Avenue. I think you will see the result is pretty 65 00:24:26.080 --> 00:24:42.720 spectacular. Of course, landscaping, we're making this as lush as possible in comparison to the current condition. It is a vast improvement. the internalized parking. Reaio went over that. We're actually making it underground and pushing it back so you don't have this bulky parking pedestal that plagues some 66 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:58.159 buildings up and down this corridor. And of course, overall, it's just a quality project that's going to lift West Avenue corridor in its entirety. And we're excited to be a part of the team that's bringing this to you today for your consideration. So, with that, like to turn it over to Hernando and have him walk you through his portion of the 67 00:24:58.159 --> 00:25:17.200 presentation, followed by Hanata. Good morning. Fernando Marin, ODP, Architects, 24 32 Hollywood, Boulevard, Hollywood, Florida. Um, okay. We have here general information of the project. General that 68 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:36.960 information. Um, the most relevant, uh, I would say is as you know, we are in R&T. Our base flood elevation is 8.56 NUD per the we are we are using the new preliminary female flood maps 69 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:53.200 uh which and the design for elevation setup for that is 13 NGVD which is almost 5 ft of free work uh the future adjusted grade is 7.86 86 NGVD 70 00:25:53.200 --> 00:26:09.520 and the future crown of the road will be 616 NGVD. Um the density uh that we have available the project is about 144 units but the project is proposing 71 00:26:09.520 --> 00:26:26.240 16 units. Um we have uh 250 parking spaces and five loading beds that are uh all in the basement. We don't have backup to the city. Everything happens internally. 72 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:43.600 Next, please. Well, this is a location map. We can go through that next. >> Excuse me. Can I ask you to speak into the mic a little louder, please? Thank you. >> That's better. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um let's uh this is a graphic 73 00:26:43.600 --> 00:26:58.559 about setbacks but we can talk about it better in the next slide where we have uh floor plan of that we have the uh at the front set back for the tower 100 a 74 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:16.240 50 required and the tower is set back 175 ft. So it's it's way more than what is uh allowed to us for the pedestal. The setback is 20 ft and we have about 21. So one foot more and set back on the 75 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:33.520 back. The tower setback is 63t. Um and um in the south tip of the tower or setback is 91.9 uh inches. Um in this graphic what you see in blue 76 00:27:33.520 --> 00:27:49.200 basically is the buildable area after the setbacks and that square and the the squaring dotted lines represents the tower and the outline of the balconies. Um 77 00:27:49.200 --> 00:28:05.120 on the sides one second on the sides setbacks we have 16 ft uh plus 10 in the at the pedestal level at the tower level. Next on this graphic we want to show the 78 00:28:05.120 --> 00:28:21.919 height of the building. We have allowed per the the DA 330 we are using 3298 to the main roof. Next uh now we're going to turn to Renata 79 00:28:21.919 --> 00:28:39.679 Fulateno who's going to talk about how they place the the building and some materials. Hello everybody. So this diagram here is showing I think the main feature of the project which is to allow this direct 80 00:28:39.679 --> 00:28:55.279 access from west avenue to the baywalk. So we are using the full 16 ft setback to allow this direct access not just from the pedestrian point of view but also from as a corridor view. Next one. 81 00:28:55.279 --> 00:29:11.600 So those are the images that we feel that that the idea was to integrate completely this access this public access in within the landscape of the the surroundings of the building. So it's going to be treated as an extension of the landscape garden that it will 82 00:29:11.600 --> 00:29:28.960 that will be part of this uh scenario uh around the building. Next one. And the pedestrian access is also very um carefully treated from the street perspective because we have two kinds of 83 00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:44.000 access for the commercial area which is a wellness component and amenities component and also the residential pedestrian access that will be happening through West Avenue. So the first importance of this uh connection between 84 00:29:44.000 --> 00:30:01.039 the street and the the the the the building is to allow a more like a human scale and a very lush landscape garden to be the welcoming component for those pedestrian and for the neighborhood uh connection. Next image. So the full 85 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:17.360 podium was organized in a more horizontal perspect uh proportion setting the tower a little bit further back to create this more a human scale connection with the neighbor and and with the street. Next one. And how we 86 00:30:17.360 --> 00:30:31.520 are going to deal with the the with the parking is to allow just the cars to entrance in the drop off area. So we have the connection for the commercial component and residential component through the drop off which is in a 87 00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:48.559 higher level in this 13 ft uh level but the whole the docking area and the truck and the the the the truck area will be within the the the garage in an in a different uh 88 00:30:48.559 --> 00:31:03.760 connection and access and completely hidden from the street. So the the the trash trucks everything that will be related to the back of house areas will be the loading dock that it was planned to be completely working inside of the 89 00:31:03.760 --> 00:31:19.840 building and not using not uh the street or any other visible portion of the plot. Next one. This is the drop off uh residential area. So we also the podium it's treated on the side facads with 90 00:31:19.840 --> 00:31:35.520 this privacy screen material that creates a sort of transparency allowing the garden that are going to be surrounding and wrapping the building to be seen from completely from all the perspectives that we can find to create 91 00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:52.000 an interesting uh back scenario for the the building from within the building. Next one. And this is how we are locating the tower in a very strategically place to allow the front garden to happen and to be very uh 92 00:31:52.000 --> 00:32:07.360 comfortable and and and lush from the pedestrian side, the west avenue side, but we also want to create a very lush and tropical garden at the rear of the building where the amenities and where the connection with the bay will be 93 00:32:07.360 --> 00:32:21.440 placed. So this this position we are offsetting the building a little bit back from the bay from the bay to allow this this lush garden and this more landscaped area to be very uh big and 94 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:43.360 and and and nice. Next one. And this is how the tower will be placed in the podium. Okay, let's go to next. Um now we have a a graphic that represents how we are uh treating waters 95 00:32:43.360 --> 00:33:00.320 is our resiliency graphic. We we going to have uh on the side of the uh buildings the size and back some bio soils which are vegetary channels that capture and filing the stone water 96 00:33:00.320 --> 00:33:16.799 runoff. Um at the front of the at the front of the project, we're going to have an ex filtration trench uh which is an underground perforated pine uh grab on gravel and the capture the storm 97 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:33.200 water. And we also were proposing rain gardens to with the shallow landscape to with the pressures that collect the water um from the state the local runoff. um another bio wells on the back of the 98 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:51.200 building and on the other side another uh gravity drainage wells next uh this is materiality >> I think this is the material pit that it's placed here so you can have a 99 00:33:51.200 --> 00:34:06.880 better look then it's the idea is to push back a little bit the the the glazing panels facad and create more deeper H balconies to allow this more a more interesting inter interesting voluometry for the building. So you see 100 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:24.000 we we will create shadows and more let's say uh verandas and more exterior areas that will be connected to the exterior that could be a live a livable space and not just a balcony and the material selection is very much related to the 101 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:41.040 natural pit. So we are using as for the privacy screen. We're creating a privacy screen that will allow the side uh facad of the building to have more privacy towards the the neighbors. And for this materiality we we would we are looking 102 00:34:41.040 --> 00:34:58.960 for a a wood grain aluminum uh profile that will be also displayed here. You can feel and touch. So it's a it's something that has a very good uh maintenance uh perspective because it's not real wood but h but relates to the 103 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:15.760 woods to the wood grain and to therefore this more natural materiality pit we are allowing also the exposed concrete to be something uh that could create this more warmth pit. So the the the the gray the 104 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:31.200 the gray of the concrete the wood and the and the uh the podium bases will be uh wrapped in more natural stone that is a material that connects to the landscape. So we are uh creating this uh 105 00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:53.119 modern look by having those very engineer elements with natural with these natural patterns. >> Okay, this is a nice view of the building. the skyline of Maya Beach looking west and 106 00:35:53.119 --> 00:36:11.280 you see how within well it blends into the skyline of the city. Uh this rendering uh is showing is detailing the intention of the design and materiality and the flying 107 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:29.119 balconies. Very large balconies um very open, very transparent. The we are setting up the railing about 6 to 8 in more than a typical railing that you see on the the buildings to create a to remark the line of the slavage. And and 108 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:45.359 you can also see those um privacy uh screens that we are creating, not the typical dividers and that you see in other buildings. The the cladding and and the the fins that we have in front of the glazing uh of the AC enclosure 109 00:36:45.359 --> 00:37:02.720 are curving and getting out and merged almost at the at the border of the slavage which is a very interesting detail. Um, next, now we're going to see, we're going to go real quick through the floor plans. 110 00:37:02.720 --> 00:37:20.480 The first one is the base basement level three, which is all parking. The second basement is also all parking. You see on the top right there is the parallel cord. This the floor of the parallel court that has double height. And then the next level 111 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:37.440 all that shade area is is the commercial area with the spa. Uh you see the double height of the the parallel court. Uh the center one second at the center uh there's a garden uh that is has an 112 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:53.359 opening in the drop off and the drop off has a has a roof with another opening. So everything is open to the sky. in B is a is a light well that it fits all the spaces on this level. 113 00:37:53.359 --> 00:38:09.680 And excuse me. Uh the last thing on this one, as you notice on the south side, we have the loading area. The access to the loading area is independent of the uh ramp for the residents. We have this ramp on the south, the the residence 114 00:38:09.680 --> 00:38:24.640 access on the north. So everything works independently. Next, again here in the ground level, um at the top corner, you can see the ramp that is going up to the drop off and you 115 00:38:24.640 --> 00:38:40.560 can uh uh go around the drop off, make a loop, or you can take the south of the uh the ramp uh down to the parking of the residents in the south ramp. The ramp that we have in the corner is is 116 00:38:40.560 --> 00:38:56.800 another another level and it's going down to that uh area of the loading. Um you see at the front um our uh front yard is is planning to be a very flush uh uh garden with native species or at 117 00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:13.359 least folia friendly materials. The following uh volume uh host the an space community space commercial space integrated that integrates with the espa 118 00:39:13.359 --> 00:39:29.440 in the level below and there are some uh equipment rooms the wall the emergency generator will be holding that area. Uh and the the and then you have to the left the uh space of the lobby and amenities 119 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:46.160 of residence and the back is the pool deck. You you will start notice here that uh the location of the bay work >> Mr. Would you like to extend their time? >> Uh give you another two minutes and 120 00:39:46.160 --> 00:40:02.640 >> Okay. >> Yeah. There shouldn't be too many more slides I don't think. >> I hope not. Okay. Uh typical levels. Uh these are basically typical levels. Uh the first portion of the building has four units per floor. At the top we have two floors and the image to the left is 121 00:40:02.640 --> 00:40:18.240 the rooftop. Next, uh this is a detail of the backyard and the bay work the in those uh 3D views are showing the connection on the north to the uh to the bay work because 122 00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:34.160 there's a differential uh uh in elevations there on the south. We don't next on the next one. Next one. This is more of the north is detail of the north. Next one. Nikki. Uh, and this is 123 00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:51.040 the south connection which is level because the public sidewalk that we will build is going to come into the right u elevation point to connect to the bay work. Next uh we have a few landscape images here. 124 00:40:51.040 --> 00:41:08.960 This is the floor the side plan where you see the placing of trees at the front to enforce the lush gardens and obviously uh the the garden at the back of the building mainly 125 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:24.880 uh these are >> great. Thank you very much and thank you Mr. Chairman, board members for your attention. We're happy to answer any questions you all might have like to reserve some time for rebuttal. Thank you. Thank you. Um, any public? 126 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:41.560 >> We do have um, >> before we hear from the public, are there any disclosures? >> Uh, >> yeah, I met with uh, representatives from the Alpha Ken at the site. >> I met with them online yesterday. >> I met with them in an offsite office. 127 00:41:42.640 --> 00:41:58.720 >> Thank you. Um, if you're online and you'd like to speak, please raise your hand. Um, so far I see three hands, so we'll go to the first name is Christina Vega, Cyber Moneyaundering Corp. >> Christina, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but 128 00:41:58.720 --> 00:42:23.599 the truth? >> Christina, if you are there, please unmute yourself. >> Uh, yes. >> Christina, do you so swear? Yes. >> Thank you. You have two minutes. >> Good morning, chair and board members. 129 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:39.359 My name is Christina Vega and I'm here today in my professional capacity as the founder of cyber money laundering and real estate investigation score. We urge this board to deny this application completely due to a fatal uris 130 00:42:39.359 --> 00:42:53.599 jurisdictional defect. Our forensic audit confirms that the existing developer listed on the developer agreement pages 47 and 53, West Avenue 131 00:42:53.599 --> 00:43:12.079 Hospitality Owner LLC and West Hospitality Owner LLC. These two entities are not existent in the Deliver Corporate Registry. This report will be submitted to the 132 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:28.720 city attorney, city of Miami Beach attorney, to the Department of Homeland Security, to the US Secret Service, and to the Department of Treasury regarding this fraud. Thank you. >> Thank you. 133 00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:44.400 >> Next, we have Jason Gross. >> Jason, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Yes. >> Thank you. Okay. Uh my name is Jason Gross. I am the condo board president of Bay View Terrace which is at 1228 West Avenue, 134 00:43:44.400 --> 00:44:01.359 Miami Beach. I am a resident of the building as well. Uh we are located immediately south of the proposed development. I would like to express support for the direction this project design has evolved. We believe the development team has made meaningful refinements, particularly the lowered pedestal height and increased setback 135 00:44:01.359 --> 00:44:18.319 from the bay that have improved the overall architectural character and compatibility of the project within the neighborhood context. We also appreciate the developers responsiveness in providing plans, studies, and other materials that have helped our residents better understand the latest design updates and changes to the building massing. Uh we believe that the project 136 00:44:18.319 --> 00:44:33.760 reflects a thoughtful and well-considered approach and we appreciate the professional manner in which the development team has engaged with the surrounding community throughout the process. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next we have Isaac Lusgarden. >> Isaac, do you swear to tell the truth, 137 00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:50.160 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Good morning to everyone. My name is Isaac Lusgard. I'm a resident of Miami Beach for around eight years. I've lived in the city of Miami for nearly 30. Um, I am in favor of this project. I 138 00:44:50.160 --> 00:45:05.680 believe the developers and their team have done a beautiful job of putting together a tower that will be a beacon to the Miami Beach skyline. And the architecture of the tower shows careful 139 00:45:05.680 --> 00:45:23.040 consideration to modern architecture. A lot of towers in our city are not pleasing to see and this is not one of them. In addition, I believe that the landscaping component that the group has put forth carefully blends with the neighboring tower and it will further 140 00:45:23.040 --> 00:45:39.760 enhance West Avenue both on the east and on the west side. The Baywalk happens to be an extra great point that matters to us residents in Miami Beach. I live in Sunset Harbor and I love to be able to walk up and down West Avenue. So when this is complete, it will further 141 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:59.520 enhance our quality of life. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Um, next is there's no name, it just says Zoom user. >> Uh, yes. Hi, my name is Fifi Bassin. >> Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 142 00:45:59.520 --> 00:46:16.240 >> Yes, I do. >> Thanks. >> I am uh in definitely support of this uh project. This has um cleaned up the area tremendously. The developer has brought in a cleaner environment already and I believe that 143 00:46:16.240 --> 00:46:32.079 this will be an asset to the area. I've been living there for many many years and I'm totally in support of this um this development and beautiful beautiful setup. Thank you. >> Thank you. 144 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:48.880 >> Uh next we have Raleigh. Raleigh, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. Please state your full name and address. >> Uh Raleigh Smith. I live on Bell Ale, close by to um to 1250 and uh I'm just 145 00:46:48.880 --> 00:47:05.760 looking forward to this this new development. Um I know it's going to be beautiful and make a great addition to the Miami Beach skyline. For me personally, as somebody who lives close by, I love to walk my dog in the neighborhood and um just having a open area to walk my dog right by the uh the 146 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:25.839 Baywalk is going to be amazing and uh I know the landscaping, everything looks beautiful, so I'm totally in favor of this new design. Thank you. >> Next, we have iPhone 236. >> Hi, this is Al Horovitz. Do you swear to 147 00:47:25.839 --> 00:47:40.720 tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. >> I live at uh 541 Pine Tree. Uh and I am uh very excited for this uh for this building. Uh I love the greenery. I love the design. Uh I think it definitely is 148 00:47:40.720 --> 00:47:59.119 going to enhance definitely uh you know, the landscape of of the overall area, and I'm just uh excited for this project. >> Okay, next we have Liz Kennedy. Liz, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. 149 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:14.000 >> Thanks. You have two minutes. >> Hi everyone. Good morning. I moved here from LA in July. I'm at a Thousand Venetian. I have a six-year-old son, and I am so impressed with everything that's happening in Miami. I'm sure you all 150 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:31.119 know what a mess LA is, and it's such an honor to live here, and to be able to walk by that property. Everything is just so pristine. and they're putting so much effort into it. And I just can't stress enough, coming from something that I did, which felt like a third 151 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:50.800 world country, this is going to be something that's actually going to help the community and make it even more aesthetically pleasing and a great place for moms. >> Okay, next we have uh Candace Pavik. >> Candace, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 152 00:48:50.800 --> 00:49:06.800 truth? Yes. Yes. Good morning. Okay. Um, so I live on Bell Island. Um, also I do own a few properties in Miami Beach under 750,000 and then I work in the field of interior design for luxury real estate. So just to give you a background of 153 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:23.200 where my perspective is coming from is that here in Miami Beach it's evolving. This is a new generation. And for me, this building sets the president because what I'm seeing is a lot of tropical modern um architecture, interior design. People want to live outside. They want 154 00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:39.599 to be outside. It's beautiful here. The health and wellness is really on an uptick. And I think that if we do approve these buildings, let these buildings design as they know how, these architects design, is that it's really going to put Miami in a new perspective. Because what we've seen in the past is 155 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:54.720 kind of buildings that are built and they're not quality. People come here and people, you know, they get kind of fooled. They buy something for very high value, not a high quality. And that kind of sets a bad reputation for Miami and our field. And when we have buildings 156 00:49:54.720 --> 00:50:10.400 like this that people are paying a top dollar for a high value, we bring a different community, we have a different demand, and the community gets to evolve into something new. I mean, Miami, the art deco architecture, which we're, you know, we know and love and it's a part 157 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:26.000 of our history, but unfortunately, it wasn't built to last. And so now this new wave, this new next generation, you know, up to the city to really allow this to flourish to its highest possibility. And then also with this new luxury real estate, um, in conjunction 158 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:43.680 with the city having the influx of taxes and all this money to improving our streets and improving all the surroundings. So the building the developers are doing their part to their capacity and then you know we hope that Miami Beach heads in the same direction. So I'm absolutely for this project. 159 00:50:43.680 --> 00:51:00.480 >> Okay. Next we have Seth Fer. >> Seth, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. >> Thank you folks for this great presentation this morning. I'm Seth Buer, 1330 West Avenue. I've been a resident of West Avenue for better than 160 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:16.880 25 years. I own two properties on the Avenue both here and at 1228 West. Um through the trials and tribulations and finally getting to this day. It's really amazing to see how much positive how much positivity is we're get you're 161 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:31.359 getting today from the neighbors from the neighborhood not just west avenue bellow island around Miami Beach. Um fully support the project. I only have one request that Bay View I'm sorry the Baywalk is one of our most amazing assets on Miami Beach. So, I would just 162 00:51:31.359 --> 00:51:49.040 ask that that be embellished and also be um completed as soon as possible because it really is just such a great thing. We've been talking about it for a long time. It's time we get it done. Thank you guys for an amazing project. >> Okay, next we have uh Taylor Travalone. 163 00:51:49.040 --> 00:52:05.440 >> Taylor, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, of course. >> Thank you. >> Uh thank you everyone. Uh and good morning. Um yes, uh Taylor Traion, I'm here on behalf of uh uh One Southern. I'm the head of growth for the company. 164 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:22.480 We have offices nearby this wonderful new project. Uh in addition to many staff and agents and uh just want to just take a moment and appreciate the thoughtfulness that actually went into this project and all of the details. uh not to mention what has already been 165 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:39.440 expressed on the Baywalk which we all know to be a massive asset not just to the beach and the residents but also for uh visitors alike. In addition to that, um the uh tower portion that's set back from the street and bay is is more than 166 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:54.880 the zoning allows is also something that I think is worth mentioning and uh one thing to appreciate again with the thoughtfulness and the approach to this project and the scale and what you're trying to develop. Uh so thank you for the time. Just want to support and uh 167 00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:11.520 wish everyone a great day. >> All right. And next we have Julian. >> Julian, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. >> Good morning. Uh, I personally 168 00:53:11.520 --> 00:53:27.280 was born in Miami Beach and have lived in Miami Beach for the past 39 years. Uh, after seeing this presentation, you know, it to me it looks like this this project is one of the most impressive I've seen on Miami Beach. I think absolutely would improve the neighborhood, improve Miami Beach, 169 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:44.160 improve our global, you know, the the way the way we look globally to the city and very very I would really much support this project. Um the landscaping component is gorgeous. I think the street could use a lot of upgrading, you know, and this is one of the first u 170 00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:59.839 projects that I think really has shows that um in my in my opinion and I really would like to support it. Thank you. >> All right. And we have no other hands raised online, but we can I don't know if anybody in 171 00:53:59.839 --> 00:54:20.240 the audience >> come on up if you >> if you'd like to speak. >> Thank you. >> Everybody, were you sworn earlier? >> Oh, I was not. No. >> Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> Thanks. My name is Jacob Osulin and I'm 172 00:54:20.240 --> 00:54:35.520 here today to support this project. Uh, West Avenue deserves this level of investment and the project delivers it. The tropical architecture, warm natural materials, and thoughtful landscaping blend beautifully with the neighborhood uh while bringing muchneeded shade and 173 00:54:35.520 --> 00:54:52.319 greenery to the corridor. Uh, as a resident, I believe this project will be a welcomed addition to the Miami Beach skyline. The continued investment in this corridor and an approval like this will pave the way for future development that this neighborhood deserves. I urge the board to support it. Thank you all. 174 00:54:52.319 --> 00:55:11.760 Thank you. >> Hi everybody. Good morning. I haven't been sworn in. >> Okay. Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. Uh hi everybody. My name is Sam Edelstein. I've been a resident of Miami Beach for about six years now. And you know, everything that has been that 175 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:26.800 I wanted to say has been said already, but just the style of the design, the architecture, the Brazilian wood, and especially the landscaping. We've all walked on West A in like the middle of the day under the blazing sun. I think the landscaping will really be a nice 176 00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:49.359 relief to all of us. And, you know, also getting rid of the rambunctious Bikini Hostel will be a really welcome asset to the neighborhood. And I really just look forward to seeing this project come to fruition. Thank you. Thank you. >> Uh good morning. My name is Alex Austis. 177 00:55:49.359 --> 00:56:04.160 I'm also I've been around for a while. I've been Miami in Miami Beach for most of my life, I would say. So, uh I don't know where to start. The building is beautiful. Everybody has seen it. You guys are all into the design. So, I don't know how to uh praise it uh 178 00:56:04.160 --> 00:56:21.760 enough. Uh amazing landscape, very organic. I'm familiar with the architects and the designers. Developer has done amazing projects. So, I'm definitely in favor. Uh the boardwalk is one of the biggest things for me because everybody can enjoy it. Uh nothing but 179 00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:43.280 good good uh good things and I hope they're going to be many many more projects like this. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hi guys, my name is Isabelle and I live on West Avenue. I've been living in West Avenue for the past few years. Uh for a single girl like me walking on the 180 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:59.920 streets at the during night. Um it's one of best thing that could have happened to the neighborhood not to have the bikini hostel anymore which I have I used to have right across the street from my house. Um and now everybody saw the project. The building 181 00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:15.040 is going to be amazing and I think that the Baywalk when it's completed is going to be even more beautiful for everybody. Also, my other friends that live in the area, they like to walk over there. So, I think it's going to be great and yeah, I fully support this project. Thank you. 182 00:57:15.040 --> 00:57:35.760 >> Thank you. >> Hi, I'm Alexandra Kachiva. Um, first I'm a mother of two and the Bikini Hostel was definitely something that made us feel scared and unwanted in the neighborhood. Um, and in terms of the design, we really love the landscaping 183 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:50.960 and how it's going to just really add to our neighborhood. And on Saturday mornings, we love to do walks around the um the beach and right now it's kind of difficult and troublesome uh troublesome to get around. So, we're really looking forward to the Baywalk getting built 184 00:57:50.960 --> 00:58:10.559 out. Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay, >> we did um one more hand was raised while they were speaking if you'd like. Yeah. >> Uh Tyler Pasco. >> Tyler, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 185 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:28.160 >> I do. >> Thank you. >> Um hey everyone. Thank you for allowing me the time to speak. I uh just wanted to quickly echo the sentiments of of everyone before me. I live on uh Bell Isle on 31 Venetian Way and uh obviously 186 00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:45.520 love my neighborhood and I think that this project would be a very welcomed addition to uh everything that Miami Beach has to offer. Um so thank you all for the time and uh yeah >> uh do you swear to tell the truth? the 187 00:58:45.520 --> 00:59:00.640 whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> Thank you. >> Good morning. Matthew Ganoff, 125 Jefferson Avenue. I wanted to speak this morning about the site plan. I want to thank the applicants and everyone here who has contributed so much uh to this 188 00:59:00.640 --> 00:59:16.720 project over the last couple of years. I read the staff report this morning and I noted that they were extremely concerned about the Baywalk and the configuration of the Baywalk. As someone who enjoys all of our public spaces on Miami Beach, uh the Baywalk, which is many decades in 189 00:59:16.720 --> 00:59:32.960 the making, is extremely important. And I'm concerned that we may run into a situation like we have on the pedestrian bridge and other segments of the Baywalk where if it's over the water and not part of the upland property, um as uh the development agreement states, it may 190 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:48.400 not get built or may be built many years from now. So I would encourage you all when you review and deliberate uh to consider um uh where the Baywalk segments are actually being built um because if it is 191 00:59:48.400 --> 01:00:05.040 um over the water in addition to perhaps delays uh also you have you know it it goes back and forth weaves in and out and that's not a great experience. So I just want to again encourage that um if possible 192 01:00:05.040 --> 01:00:20.720 the Baywalk be built on the land adjacent to the seaw wall like many other segments of the Baywalk are. Thank you so much. >> Thank you chair chair. Can I ask a quick question? >> Yeah I think we are we finished. We can 193 01:00:20.720 --> 01:00:37.440 >> one more one more hand was raised >> if you want to allow it. Uh, Marco Gojanovic. And if anybody else uh please raise your hand now or before I ever hold your piece. >> Thank you. >> Marco, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 194 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:53.040 >> I do. >> Thank you. >> Hi, my name is Marco Guanovich and I've lived in Miami Beach for 20 years and I currently live in Satsa Harbor. I am definitely in favor of this project. I absolutely love the trajectory first of Miami Beach and where it's going with 195 01:00:53.040 --> 01:01:08.319 the new infrastructure, architecture, and all the new residents that have helped in enhanced our city's growth. And I'm very happy to see um the enhancement of West Avenue as it's very much needed. And I'm very in love with the tropical design and this 196 01:01:08.319 --> 01:01:24.559 landscaping plan. With the Bikini Hostel gone and the walkability u of Baywalk coming closer to fruition, I'm in favor of this project. Thank you very much. Thank >> you. >> No more hands are raised. >> Okay, now we could turn it over to the board. Thank you for the presentation 197 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:40.960 and all the public as well. Andre, >> um, thank you. U, regarding the Baywalk, I know that the Baywalk uh, behind the Mandreon was done fairly quickly and it's up. Can you maybe explain what's the difference in maybe in size or in 198 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:57.760 width or how does it compare to the Baywalk uh on the Mandreon and their timing and your timing to actually make that happen? Is the Baywalk going to start after the construction of the project is done or at the same time or prior? Can you elaborate on that? >> So I can have Ernando talk about the 199 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:12.640 timing of construction of the Baywalk and our tower. I think it'll be contemporaneously. I'll let him confirm that. And you do bring up a good point, Andres, that this overwater baywalk is not such a significant revolution that we are proposing. In fact, it already 200 01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:29.040 exists behind the Mandrean and the condo associations that flank the Mandrean. That's what 1228 is being proposed. There's going to be a significant portion of this baywalk is going to be overwater. I don't the uh analogy to the pedestrian bridge over fifth street is misplaced because there you have 201 01:02:29.040 --> 01:02:44.160 significant FPL lines that cannot be discovered with any adequate type of efforts by David or FPL unfortunately. That's not that's not the case here. So I don't see the same risk that that speaker saw. But do you guys know about the timing? 202 01:02:44.160 --> 01:03:01.359 >> So good morning Nicholas Rodriguez 200 South Game Boulevard. Uh the development agreement requires before we can get a TCO or CO for the building, the Baywalks have to be done. So we can't occupy the building or build this building until the Baywalk's done. We can't get a building permit. >> I understand. But are you doing it prior 203 01:03:01.359 --> 01:03:17.119 or are you waiting for the last 6 months to do the Baywalk? >> No, we're working on it every day. Um we're working with the condo associations. We're using the exact same contracting company that >> So my question is do you think that it's going to take till TCO or do you think that it might be able to be handed over 204 01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:33.280 to people to be able to use prior to then >> it it should be done before the constructibility doesn't take that long. The part that takes the longest is getting agreement from the upland condo owners of the other segments. Our segment can be done concurrently with the building. It would take like maybe 205 01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:48.799 18 months to construct. It's not that difficult. The permitting process is a challenge, but since we're doing three other overwater segments, it's really just in line with what we're already doing. Um the challenge with the completing the Baywalk segment is entirely getting the buildings to agree 206 01:03:48.799 --> 01:04:05.280 to those easement agreements >> and it would be similar to what's behind the Mandrean. >> Yes. Um our what's behind the Mandrean is actually 10 ft. Our development agreement requires us to seek 5t wider, 15 ft. Um it's subject to the state agency's permitting it that wide. Uh but 207 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:26.640 we are going to be seeking a five foot wider every segment that we're building will be five feet wider than what's >> so the state agency says you can't do 15 ft then you push back >> then we have to bring it back down to 10 right >> understood. Yeah. >> Go ahead. 208 01:04:26.640 --> 01:04:42.720 Um I I don't want to waste anyone's time and echo all of the beautiful um compliments to this project, but I just wanted to say that I feel like I'm living in a moment of New York City pre Westside Highway and Highline and what this project will do to the West Avenue 209 01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:59.440 area and the Baywalk will not only affect all the people who are lucky enough to live in this gorgeous building and uh look at it, but I think the businesses and the safety and the community um will really benefit for decad decades to come and I'm really excited to see this level of project 210 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:17.119 being built in that area. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, Raalio, can I ask a question? Is the is there a waiver being sought or no? I saw in the intro paragraph >> we we t No, there's no waiver being we typically advertise them in an abundance of caution in case one needs to be added 211 01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:33.440 throughout the discussion. We're we're we're ready to go, but um no, there's no waiver. >> Just design. Okay. Okay. That's what I thought. Um yeah, agreed. I think that the building is beautiful. Um, I live in this neighborhood, so, you know, I'm very happy to see the improvements here. >> I had a question about the samples. 212 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:49.599 Thank you for bringing them, too. I think that's very helpful. This one in particular. >> It said aluminum, I think, in all the plans, but is that's actually wood, >> right? >> Yes. This is the shape of the privacy screen, but this is the material 213 01:05:49.599 --> 01:06:04.960 >> that which is >> exactly do you want to use? It will be a it will be aluminum or composite aluminum that uh it looks like wood. So >> yes, we need to customize. >> So it's that shape but this material. >> Exactly. >> Okay. >> Okay. 214 01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:21.440 >> Are you proposing both uh species or or colors? >> Not not actually. This is one of the the cladding systems for the the front facade that which we will be also made with aluminium. And this is how they interlock. But the the the lighter part pattern is the one that we are picking 215 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:36.720 for the the privacy screen. >> Okay. And that's and that's consistent through the building the this white white oak. >> And it's going to be it's it's two it's going to be completely connected and coordinated with the interiors. So inside of the building we are using uh 216 01:06:36.720 --> 01:06:52.720 natural material. So therefore wood some panelings and uh ceilings but outside everything is aluminum. >> Quick question through the chair. How is that cleaned? Do you hose that down? Do you have to clean with a wipe throughout every single 217 01:06:52.720 --> 01:07:19.520 >> Yeah, we this this element is going to be Yeah, I I think so. It would be something that's in every balcony >> especially in the in the studio. >> Yes, it's a portion of the balcony. Yeah. >> Is is set uh outside of the glazing in front of the glazing and and it turns 218 01:07:19.520 --> 01:07:36.079 out uh to form. >> So you'll have water hoses in every balcony. >> No, we don't need to be No, it's just you just have to clean. Exactly. You have just cleaned it. I don't I 219 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:56.720 >> Okay, there you go. Question >> through the chair. Um Mr. Larkin, you said that this would be a sizable construction period. Could you define that? >> Sure. So, >> I'm going to ask you a couple of 220 01:07:56.720 --> 01:08:13.039 questions like following the DRB approval today, how long do you think it would take to prepare the building permit plans? >> To prepare the building plans, uh hopefully uh we will have a a building permit before the end of the year, >> an actual permit issue 221 01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:29.359 >> and uh the permit issue, it will take another six to seven months, perhaps eight months. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So once the permit issues then how long will it take to construct this building? >> Uh I believe that the project is sec uh to be 30 months. 222 01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:45.759 >> 30 months. >> 3 months. 33 months, right? >> Yeah, >> that's right. So we're looking >> we're looking at three years, >> give or take. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, maybe a little longer. >> Yeah. A year for a year for permits and 223 01:08:45.759 --> 01:09:02.080 then another almost three years. Yeah. So through the chair just last comment I the design is absolutely beautiful. Um Terra does excellent work throughout South Florida and uh I would it's I think it's arguably the best views from 224 01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:18.000 Miami are exactly from that area and at that height that it's being um built the views are going to be absolutely bar none. Some of the best views in South Florida. um clean bay views, then the islands, then the whole entire city 225 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:34.319 skyline. It's going to be gorgeous. A lot of detail one and two landscape and design creation of this project and um it looks beautiful. So, congratulations. >> Thank you. You know, it makes me want to live there. And I asked David for a friends and family discount and he's like, "Who are you?" 226 01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:51.520 >> I think the answer is no. >> Um do you want to >> I just want to congratulate you for your design. a very beautiful building and certainly an asset to the entire city um as well as West uh West Avenue. Um I 227 01:09:51.520 --> 01:10:08.400 have a question. Once um you finish your approval here, before you go to permitting, you have to get approval for the Baywalk. Uh from how many other entities besides the city of Miami Beach, 228 01:10:08.400 --> 01:10:25.600 >> Durm, D, South Florida Water Management District, um >> US Army, >> US Army Corps, >> and you feel all those will be accomplished? the approval during the time that you're obtaining the permit 229 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:40.960 for Miami Beach and doing your construction documents. >> Yeah, because we're not reinventing the wheel. You know, if the overwater concept did not exist already, I would be more hesitant in my response. But since it does and we're using the same exact consulting engineers, I don't see 230 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:56.880 an issue. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, so I there's a couple things. So for the Baywalk and what the staff is suggesting um and I'm just going to sort 231 01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:12.960 of reiterate so I understand this. This is an overwater section and the other sections that you guys are building will be overwater as well or those are on land. >> I think almost all of them will be overwater. 232 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:28.640 Again, Nicholas Ro says all the other segments have to be overwater because they're adjacent to existing buildings where the pool decks come right adjacent to the property line. So, the only way to accommodate it within existing construction, um there's an existing segment from 10 to 13th Street. The 233 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:45.040 property immediately to the south of us is 1228 West A. That has to be overwater cuz their pool deck comes right up to the property line. So what we're proposing is essentially just continuing that rather than bringing it into our property at the southern side, just continue an overwater baitwalk segment all the way from 10th Street to the end 234 01:11:45.040 --> 01:12:00.239 of our property line where it comes back to land at Monad Terrace. So the Baywalk will be in and out basically. And is there a master plan idea for the Baywalk to keep 235 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:16.800 consistency? I I'm going off of Jessica what you're saying about setting setting precedent and this being a public and very usable and I know you know some people are on their bikes which they're not supposed to but making turns and stuff. How is that being controlled and 236 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:32.239 then if you can explain what this staff is concerned with with the Baywalk? So each so the Baywalk concept comes from uh the Dade County Shoreline Review Ordinance which dates back to the late '7s. And so pieces of the Baywalk have been built 237 01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:48.320 over many many many many years and each piece is different um as as um standards have evolved as site constraints uh provide opportunities to complete segments. And so they're all very different. So there there is likely never going to be a uniform consistent 238 01:12:48.320 --> 01:13:04.080 path. Each each segment is going to be a little bit different, which provides some some variety and some visual interest um as you're as you're going along the path, but it is being designed in a way where it will be flush surfaces all around. You're not going to have to go up and down steps or anything. So, it is you're going to be able to 239 01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:20.480 continuously um go through the path comfortably. Um what staff um staff is okay with the with the Baywalk over the water. Um there are several cities where that's done. There's several segments here that where that's done. Um, so there's there's no concerns with that. 240 01:13:20.480 --> 01:13:36.239 And and actually they're providing a a viewing platform. Um, which I think would be a great amenity to enhance uh the use of the Baywalk. It provides some additional public space where people can hang out, take a look at the view, see the sunset. Um, and so that's a that's a great amenity that would not be possible 241 01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:52.000 um if it were done on the on the private on the property itself. Um, they they would not be giving that extra space if it were on the property itself. So there are some benefits to what they're proposing. Staff's main concern is uh just to make sure that it can actually 242 01:13:52.000 --> 01:14:08.159 be built. Though we think it can. There are segments that have been permitted. It is subject to other outside agencies approval. So we just want to have a backup in case um something happens there's a hiccup. the for whatever reason the the development agreement is not amended um allowing the the Baywalk 243 01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:23.920 to be over the water that there be a backup plan that they have to construct the Baywalk on their property prior to getting their TCO. So that's that's our concern. Um and so we've incorporated a condition where we could approve that if if that comes to be that they're not able to build it over the water, we can 244 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:39.440 administratively approve uh the public baywalk over the private property. So we've have that we have that condition in the order that would allow us to approve it administratively rather than having to make them go through the whole process and and and come back before the board to approve that. So it would be designed in a if if that were to come to 245 01:14:39.440 --> 01:14:55.679 fruition um they would basically have to put a a public space along the waterfront um on their property um would have to follow the the landscape guidelines of the of the bay of the Baywok standards that the county has. um they would be able to protect it from 246 01:14:55.679 --> 01:15:12.320 their private pro from their private areas uh with fencing and other materials um and so so it would be built that way which there are other projects which can be used as examples for how that was done >> but we are supportive of it over the water we we have no issues with it it's just the feas we just want to make sure 247 01:15:12.320 --> 01:15:27.840 that there be a baywok in the event that that something happens and they're not able to get it approved >> right so the backup for all all the properties all three of these will be Well, ones can't be built on the property, so the other two would be 248 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:42.960 >> and I understand your concern about well, it's not going to have one uniform look. But, you know, the shoreline development review committee takes a long view of things and it's not just Miami Beach. They're interested in Miami, Bay Harbor Islands, like everywhere where there is frontage on 249 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:59.760 Biscane Bay. And their view is the property may not develop in 5 years, in 10 years, maybe 20 years, but when it redevelops, that's when we get our chance to shape it. And the access I think is most important to that committee more than anything else. >> I think to Raelio's point, I'm sorry to 250 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:16.719 interrupt, is that that if it can be seamless, that a stroller or runner for safety issues is kind of the more important for usability than it is the visual in in my estimation. ADA it >> so it has to be fully ADA compliant per the DA. So that's why some of the 251 01:16:16.719 --> 01:16:32.560 diagrams that Hernando was showing you with the ramps and the elevation changes was to keep it smooth throughout. >> Chair, I have a quick question regarding that. Um, is there being integration with the city regarding the cameras and on the Baywalk side the way that there 252 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:49.120 is on the ocean walk side? >> We've had discussions with CIP. It's really it's up to the property owners uh whether they request that, whether they want it. I think most do. Um and I don't think we have an issue with with providing the security cameras and then tying them in with the city of Miami Beach police. 253 01:16:49.120 --> 01:17:05.199 >> So this particular property owner, are they okay with uh integrating with the city of Miami Beach to be able to have cameras on the Baywalk behind the property? >> I know at least one of them has asked for us to do that. Yes. >> So 1250 will have cameras. >> 1250. Yeah, we can have cameras. 254 01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:22.400 >> Awesome. Yeah. Right. Um okay so we have a backup for this property but the other two properties is not under the same discretion right >> correct the other two properties are are not under the purview of of this order of this uh of what's being discussed here today 255 01:17:22.400 --> 01:17:37.280 >> okay um >> those will be forthcoming hopefully at some point >> right >> um and the viewing platform are you talking about the the fenced in 256 01:17:37.280 --> 01:17:53.679 area, the sort of the bump on the on the walk. >> Yes. On the So, in the sort of in the center of the walkway, um you see that it sticks out a little bit more, >> but that's a private element >> there. That would be open to the public. 257 01:17:53.679 --> 01:18:08.560 That would be >> There's We've gone back and forth a little bit, but Mr. Chairman, if that's important to you, we can have it open to the public. That viewing platform. >> I'm just I'm just He I think he was under the impression it was public, so I just >> Oh, I was It's fenced in. Oh, I didn't. Okay. >> My question to to you guys would be how 258 01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:24.719 high is that fence? Because you're you're going along the the the walk and all of a sudden you got a fence for 50% of it, which is like a a nice little >> private waterfront. >> It would be between 42 in and 44 in height, which is the for building called 259 01:18:24.719 --> 01:18:40.800 for a guard rail. >> Um, so the tenants have access to a little private area that that bumps out on the walk. Just >> Okay. I I apologize. I I thought it was uh all seamless. I missed that. >> Does that change your staff? 260 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:57.199 >> I Are you You said you're okay with it. Um >> Well, let me veer back to my client. >> Let the lower reflect. He make a thumbs up >> and I haven't necessarily formulated opinion. I'm just I'm just opening it so people understand. 261 01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:14.560 >> I want to be in alignment with our helio. And if he misunderstood, I don't want to feel bad about that. So, it's okay to have it open to the public. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, going back to the backup plan, I just want to ask the board like this if it does have to go on the main land, it 262 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:30.880 seems like it would take up a significant amount of space where your where your pool is, right? I So, I just want to ask our everyone here like if that was the case, which seems like it's going to be a slim chance of happening, but would we want to see that? I mean, 263 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:48.080 it's it seems like it's a major change to the to the footprint. >> Mhm. >> Maybe we maybe we don't need to see it, but it is a public space. >> So, what are you proposing >> instead of if they have to come back with their backup plan? Um, I think the 264 01:19:48.080 --> 01:20:04.880 way Roelio has presented it is they would just work with staff to do that. But like, do we want to see the Baywalk if it has to be on the mainland because their pool footprint? It takes a big I don't think it it doesn't seem like >> What are the chances that that would happen? Why would it happen? 265 01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:20.880 >> So, the the development agreement needs to be modified by the city commission. I don't see why they wouldn't, but it's that's up to their perview. I you know, we we I can't tell you how that's going to play out. Yeah, I'm just saying it's in line with everything else that's doing. I don't think why there's going to be any push back on having it continue. 266 01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:36.239 >> So, all we're doing is saying I think what Laura is saying is if it does happen, I'd see it. Yeah. It's not a big deal. >> Does the project need to come back to DRB or does it continue with the approval from the planning department >> just because it's such a significant 267 01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:52.320 change to the I don't know. Uh maybe we won't. >> We can come back. >> Yeah. The way the condition is worded now is staff approval >> if this happens in the future. But if you all are more comfortable with us coming back and considering the modification, we're happy to come back 268 01:20:52.320 --> 01:21:07.520 to you all. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I would I would appreciate that. Yep. >> I would feel more comfortable. >> I don't think it's good that it's not likely, but we'll come back if necessary. >> Thank you. We appreciate it. >> Um I also have another question off the Baywalk. I don't know if we're ready to 269 01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:21.920 move on though. Well, let's finish the Baywalk conversation. >> Okay. >> No more Baywalk. >> Finish the Baywalk. >> No. Are I want to finish? If you have more Baywok, let's Okay, let's move on. >> Oh, okay. Um, I just wanted to ask, is 270 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:38.800 it a similar on the park or whatever it ends up being? Is is it also conditioned on that being built before you go to TCO or what's the story on that side of the >> So, there's a a time frame for the city to choose what to do. It's 2 years from last June. Um, and then the city will 271 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:54.400 let us know. And if they choose to proceed with the park, then we have a specific time frame to permit, get the park done, and deliver it to the city within those time frames. It uh, and it does have to be done before the building is occupied. Uh, if the city chooses to do something else with the property 272 01:21:54.400 --> 01:22:10.960 other than a park, then we would just convey the property to them with a cash contribution towards whatever they want to do with it. >> Got it. Okay. And Roelio, would that require if they want to proceed with a park or something else, um, does that require that parcel to come back to 273 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:25.920 design review board? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> They do make nice parks. >> Is there a financial obligation like park or whatever? Like say the city wants a super expensive park. Is 274 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:42.320 >> it's a $2 million park is what it is. Um, if it's not a park, then the $2 million just goes to the city as cash. >> Okay. >> There's a lot you can do with $2 million. So, it's going to be a nice park >> depending on the size of the elephant. >> Goes by quickly. >> I have one question one question 275 01:22:42.320 --> 01:22:59.199 regarding the uh rain garden and bioil systems. Is that going to be integrated into tropical plantins or that's complete separate? >> Uh, no. No. See in the same garden >> they're during the same section that like landscaping will be part of the 276 01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:14.320 system. >> We will have to coordinate the the location. Oh, we have the civil engineer >> Hernando Navas with uh 3242 corporate waymore Florida. I'm the civil consultant for the project. 277 01:23:14.320 --> 01:23:29.840 Could you repeat the question? I was just wondering how the bioell system work with land as part of landscaping system or >> um what we're trying to do is the bioells the purpose of the bioell is to some of the rain water that falls on the walls of the building will reach the 278 01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:45.520 ground on the on the perimeter of the of the building and rather than getting that water and injecting it at 80 ft which is lost. We're trying to get that bio swell to basically equally distribute that water underneath the ground at the surface level to be able 279 01:23:45.520 --> 01:24:01.679 to keep what is called the freshwater lens of the city. And the importance of the freshwater lands is the fact that you want that fresh water to keep pushing that salt water down and away from the city area. So that not only the vegetation on our building, but the 280 01:24:01.679 --> 01:24:17.520 vegetation at the regional level could actually keep and stay alive because you have more fresh water, less salt water. Does does that make sense to you? >> And you use less um less irrigation water basically from >> Absolutely. Because again, you know, 281 01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:34.400 we're allowing that water to infiltrate, percolate, and you know, comeingle with the with the soil to be able to keep that moist. It >> also won't dump into the bay as well cuz it's being held. >> Correct. It will eventually just sip through and any excess water will overflow into the well system, the 282 01:24:34.400 --> 01:24:50.639 drainage wells, which are the one that go 80 ft below grade, and that water will be injected for flood control. >> Okay. I was just curious. Um, thank you. Um, if I didn't say, the building is is very elegant and clean 283 01:24:50.639 --> 01:25:05.520 and simple and and I do really like the design. Um, for the board, the staff is is asking about the presence and the iconicness of of the roof and the the top element. Um, >> really 284 01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:23.280 >> and right now it's basically clad in in the woods of slats. And I don't know if anybody on the board has any feeling about that or um >> you put the rendering up of the what we're speaking about, please. 285 01:25:23.280 --> 01:25:39.199 >> The rendering of the rooftop. >> You guys have that >> slide 19. >> You have the rendering of the rooftop, >> I think. Yeah, >> we're getting into it. >> Yeah, this is we we developed this 286 01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:55.440 detail of the rooftop. Do you want >> Yes. I just want to explain a little bit because uh the way that we see the architecture is a very through a very minimalistic line and we want the portion of the we want we wanted to 287 01:25:55.440 --> 01:26:12.400 recess the the tall portion of the the roof to be more not to be actually not visible. So the way that we understood what will be more subtle and will be more let's say generous to the city would be to allow this element to be 288 01:26:12.400 --> 01:26:29.760 seamless as possible. I think it's more from a a sort of uh it's a different approach of trying to stand out. It's more like treating with the same elements and with the same quality that we are going to treat the rest of the facad. We are allowing a 289 01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:46.000 very lush garden to happen around the pool and they this garden will be uh surrounding the full the full footprint of the rooftop. So we feel that that should be more like an extension of the external area than than an element that 290 01:26:46.000 --> 01:27:00.800 should stand out. So that was the approach. the the thing that we are using on the sides are a kind of a shading element that is a pergo that it's also something that could allow some transparency and some uh light 291 01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:17.760 filter to enhance this this this this piece of live livable space. So that was what drived the design that more than trying to create let's say standout elements. So that was the approach you 292 01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:33.920 know so to change that it's it could be done but I I believe in my opinion that that solution would be a more subtle solution for the city. >> So the green shade areas will have landscaping in the future. That's >> exactly instead of trying to make it 293 01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:50.639 being an element I think the full tower is already the the the element for the skyline. I don't think that the roof is the main character of the building. The full building should be the the element that would stand out and be part of the 294 01:27:50.639 --> 01:28:06.480 skylight the skyline. This is this is how we feel that the the roof top should be treated. >> I was that was my question which you just answered. And so as the designer of the of the building, the building itself is is the icon. you want to keep its its 295 01:28:06.480 --> 01:28:22.480 simplicity and its its floating plates as an element, not introduce something else to >> decorative, you know, I think that's that's the main the main >> Yeah, I'm not worried about the roof. You're not going to see see any of this and and the staff has brought it up and 296 01:28:22.480 --> 01:28:38.719 and so if we approve it, it's just under their peerreview to to to decide if they wanted to make any modifications. Um, right. >> That was our that was our recommendation. We we just look some of the other buildings along West Avenue do have um 297 01:28:38.719 --> 01:28:55.920 crowns for for lack of a better term. Waverly has the waves. The um Fifth and Alton project has a has a canopy structure along the rooftop perimeter. Morano Grande has um the swooping elements on the on the rooftop. So there's several buildings which do have 298 01:28:55.920 --> 01:29:12.320 some sort of a of an element on the rooftop. Um but we understand their their you know this is something we brought up early on in the in our review. We understand their >> their point of view and it is valid. Um but so it's up you know we just wanted to mention that >> it's another reason why I like to see 299 01:29:12.320 --> 01:29:28.800 the night renderings because the presence of the evening is is >> very impactful. So I don't know how these are lit. I I also noticed in the renderings and this is not really for us but it's just glass to underside a slab. So there's no is there going to be a 300 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:43.840 drop ceiling within the the living spaces on the on the glazing? >> Not actually because uh just on some uh interior portions where we have the air ducting system running the actual uh living space living livable space the 301 01:29:43.840 --> 01:30:00.159 living space that are behind the glass they will be full height. >> Okay. So the >> we're dropping ceilings in kitchen bathroom >> bedrooms and closer to the car. Yeah. you know, not not not that I would think someone would, but sometimes they come in and they start running cove lights 302 01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:15.840 around and then this building starts to light up. >> This is exactly what we want to avoid. >> Yeah. Um and again, the lighting for the exterior of the building is is not something that comes after the approval. 303 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:31.920 It can be it it typically typically happens that way if we don't expect anything major any any elements that we think are going to be um highlighted in the evenings. But this this we think it's going to be pretty standard lighting. >> Do you have any uh ideas of how you want 304 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:49.920 to light the building? Are you going to keep it? >> I I think it's a it's a balance. Usually we want h the architecture the way that we perceive it during the day it should it should be let's say a kind of an 305 01:30:49.920 --> 01:31:07.199 element that it's more like a a portion of the city skyline but during at night I think it it can work like a lighthouse in a in a way because all buildings do but from our ID perspective we would not make it like stand out I think we can 306 01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:25.520 let's say enhance a bit the the wooden portions that could be more like uh that are related not just to the front and the side, the rear of the facade, but also on the sides, >> but more from inside to create a sort of a smooth uh buffer of light and not 307 01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:42.080 something that is very direct. So what we would would do is to have eventually lights on the floor and have them coming up in a more subtle way. Not something we don't want spotlights that should be going what people would perceive seeing 308 01:31:42.080 --> 01:31:57.679 from below. It's exactly the opposite. And then we would h mark those horizontal elements also during by night. So trying to be very subtle to create this ambience that is more like a 309 01:31:57.679 --> 01:32:15.199 lamp than a than the focus point, you know. >> No, that's that's great. Good good answer. >> Um I think the other I think that's it except so the only amenities in the building are 310 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:32.719 on on the ground level. So there's no there's no floor that has extra high ceilings that we're going to and I'm I'm speaking am I am I looking I don't see it in the rendering but >> a 12t floor to floor within the middle of the building that will then have have that presence like we see in some other 311 01:32:32.719 --> 01:32:48.800 projects. No, >> no, >> no, >> no. All the amenities are at the ground level and we have the club at the basement one. >> No, not in the tower is strictly residential. >> Private pool. >> The pools on the roof, I think, are for 312 01:32:48.800 --> 01:33:05.600 the pen houses, >> right? Or the is the roof public or private? >> Private. >> No, it's private. It's part of the big house. >> Um, no. Like I said, I think it's it's it's a beautiful project. I really like what you did on on on the ground and the 313 01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:21.280 grade and and the parking and I know what it takes to dig this hole. Um um but to not have I said this yesterday to these guys to not have parking to visible is something I 314 01:33:21.280 --> 01:33:47.760 think that the city needs. Tired of seeing six stories of parking everywhere and I know what it takes to dig this. So thank you >> through the chair. for those two panels. Those are two units. Yes. >> Right. >> Anybody 315 01:33:47.760 --> 01:34:03.280 move? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Okay. So that would be with a modification to the condition requiring the Baywalk to come back in the event that um >> yes with the modification >> that it's that they're not able to do it on the water. Correct. >> I would also like to make sure that the 316 01:34:03.280 --> 01:34:20.000 Baywalk is has connectivity to the real time intelligence center of the city. >> I'm sorry to to where to where >> intelligence center. Oh, >> we're mentioning make sure that we have connectivity for video surveillance on that Baywalk. >> Something >> and that the platform be open to the 317 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:36.400 public. >> Yes. Yes. Adding the platform >> be open to the public. >> Okay. We actually have a condition on the platform being open to the public that came from the shoreline review committee um which is the applicant shall profit a covenant acceptable to the city of Miami Beach that ensures 318 01:34:36.400 --> 01:34:58.800 continuous fully access to the dedicated waterfront viewing platform observation deck. >> There you So that came from the >> they thought ahead. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um do are there any issues with the cam with um 319 01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:14.960 the camera? >> I I'm not sure that that's a uh an appropriate >> design related condition. Um, but >> you guys know best. It's just that the topic was brought up of the Baywalk. Uh, 320 01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:32.320 and if it could be done, it would be great because it's an asset for security for the building and for the people behind the building as well. >> We voluntarily profer the idea that it should be integrated into the city system. >> Okay. >> So, are we ready for a motion? Okay. 321 01:35:32.320 --> 01:35:46.560 Okay. I make a motion that we approve the project at um 1250 West Avenue DRB25-1. >> We had a motion already. >> Motion with all the capab. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Did you include the 322 01:35:46.560 --> 01:36:05.719 park also that it the property across the street um that um that it come back to DRB? If it does, >> that that would just be a code requirement. It has to come to to the DRB. Um I I do want to clarif 323 01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:25.840 that we remove the condition um condition I D2A. >> Yes. >> Why is that two? That should be one. I'll remember that. >> Yes. >> What is it? What does it read? Roelio, 324 01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:41.760 >> the applicant shall explore alternative architectural treatments on the rooftop in order to provide greater visual interest subject to the the >> review and approval of staff consistent with the DRB criteria andor directions from the board and then we provide some options. But if if the board is okay with that, then we can remove this 325 01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:59.920 condition. >> Okay, removing it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. I think I have all three changes. the camera that the cameras be integrated with the city's uh camera system that if the if the Baywalk not be 326 01:36:59.920 --> 01:37:15.520 on the water that it come back to the DRB and then removal the removal of the condition um for the um for the rooftop >> and the platform being accessible which >> yes >> that that is actually 327 01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:31.280 >> on the Okay. >> Mhm. Okay. So, we have a motion by Mr. Lester. We have a second by Miss Mitch. Um, all those in favor? >> I. >> Great. Thank you all very much for your time. 328 01:37:31.280 --> 01:38:11.520 >> Thank you. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you so much. >> Much luck to all of you. Put the regular people in now. >> I'll just take this one. >> Huh? >> Yeah. I don't like that. 329 01:38:11.520 --> 01:39:31.520 Doesn't feel right. I'm sorry. Did you see American Pie? >> Doesn't she remind you of the actress from American Pie? >> Totally. Right. >> Oh my god. Like look at this. I've heard the I've heard the He keeps 330 01:39:31.520 --> 01:40:46.880 repeating So what's going on? I'm just scared of these paints, you know. >> Sorry about what? >> These are mess. >> No, I guess we we were glad that we you had your level expertise in ethic development. It's an important thing. 331 01:40:46.880 --> 01:41:59.159 There's some value out there. playing the only game in town that's left. >> So now fight's not going to win. Is he gone? What are we waiting for? >> We can begin. 1700 Convention Center Drive. 332 01:41:59.280 --> 01:42:16.400 The next item is DR RB 26 11701700 Convention Center Drive known as the G517 Street parking garage. This application has been filed requesting design review approval for the construction of a new enclosed padel court facility located at rooftop level 333 01:42:16.400 --> 01:42:32.560 of an existing parking garage including one or more waivers. Okay. So, this is um uh for background, this was as a result of an RFP issued by the city commission uh requesting uh for the construction, management, and operation of paddle facilities on the 334 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:49.119 rooftop of parking garage uh G5, which is the parking garage that's just across the street from city hall to the to the south of 17th Street. Um and so uh on se on January 6, 2026, the city entered into an agreement, um um with Miami 335 01:42:49.119 --> 01:43:04.960 Beach Racket Club LLC, who's the applicant who's here with this uh proposal. Um so this is going to be on the rooftop of that garage. That garage was built in the 1970s. Um not the most uh aesthetically pleasing garage uh that the city has. However, it's been 336 01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:20.000 recently wrapped with um um with some wraps that give it some some interesting uh some interesting design uh elements. Um but that's those wraps are a separate issue that's that's not under under discussion today. That might come before the board in the future to make those 337 01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:36.320 permanent. Um so that um so this is going to be on the rooftop. The applicant's going to be building 10 paddle courts on the rooftop. They're going to be building a um a um it's going to have some some uh 338 01:43:36.320 --> 01:43:54.159 retail space for uh paddle equipment. It's going to have a uh basically a club area for for uh for club uh for members that are there waiting to be able to enjoy and wait and have a drink. Um and then this whole structure is going to be covered by a parametric PVC canvas uh 339 01:43:54.159 --> 01:44:10.880 facade skin. It's going to be semi-transparent, so some light will be able to glow out of it at night. Um, and so it does provide an interesting um uh design for the structure. The structure uh rises 34 ft above the roof level, so the garage will appear to be taller than 340 01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:27.040 it currently is. Um, however, it is well within the height limits for for this district. Um, it is within the CCC, which is the convention center district, um, where city hall is part of that convention center district. The convention center is obviously part of it and the convention center hotel under construction across the street is part 341 01:44:27.040 --> 01:44:44.719 of it. Um so it does uh provide some additional activation for this space provides additional um areas for paddle uh which is in very very high demand in the city. Uh we can't seem to not be able to get enough of this this use in the city. Um and um it it it it does uh 342 01:44:44.719 --> 01:45:00.560 it does improve the aesthetics of the building. Um, and staff is supportive of the proposal and recommends that it be approved subject to the conditions in the attached draft order. >> As always, Mr. Bedan has made my presentation unnecessary, but we'll soldier on. Uh, anyway, Graeme Penn, 200 343 01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:17.840 South Biscane Boulevard. What we're going to hand out to you or two things I'm going to hand out the materials and what the my lovely and talented assistant, Mr. Sher is handing out is a couple of additional sheets that show a little more detail on the roof including the mechanical equipment location and uh 344 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:32.880 so you can see that the mechanical equipment will not be visible from the street as well as a couple additional renderings. As to materials, this is cannot be a simpler structure. We have two materials that are at play. We have the skin which is this element which I'm 345 01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:48.880 going to hand out so everyone can see it and feel it. And we have the aluminum elements which are these two. So Ben, if you could do me a favor and just hand those to everyone. >> Sure. >> Do we have to notify disclosures now? >> We can do that at the start of the public hearing. 346 01:45:48.880 --> 01:46:04.880 >> Okay. And uh speaking of that, Justin, we do need to swear in uh Mr. Juan Pablo Valero who's who might have to speak. >> Sure. Uh do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. 347 01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:20.159 Okay. So, along with Juan Paulo, we've got Nala Grinda representing the owner, Joseé Lobo, the architect who's going to get up and as soon as I stop blathering, and my colleagues, Mr. Ben Sherry and and Michael Larkin. So, as Raelio explained, this is we're very excited 348 01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:37.040 about this application, more excited than I usually am in front of you because this is a bringing a needed public recreational use to an underutilized uh building in in the city of Miami Beach. And those of you who had the opportunity to take a site visit know this is an under utilized building. 349 01:46:37.040 --> 01:46:52.239 At least the portion that we're utilizing. So here we go. This is an aerial view. Uh again, no surprise. The 17th Street garage is surrounded by the G5 garage on the east, the Berdine/My's 350 01:46:52.239 --> 01:47:10.320 building on the west, Lincoln Road across Lincoln Lane to the south, and the city hall commission center complex on the north. You can see that empty space there to our northeast is where the hotel is going. The closest residential is uh is blocks away from 351 01:47:10.320 --> 01:47:27.760 us. As Raelio explained, this property is is zoned and planned convention center and and uses in it include commercial uses and other uses that are supportive of the convention center area. This is a view of the existing conditions of the roof which uh is the 352 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:44.400 subject of our lease. As you can see, the condition that you're seeing it in in these two photographs is pretty much the condition it is all the time, which is empty. Right? We the utilization of this entire garage is at it was estimated at the time we did the lease at 69%. That means that at any given 353 01:47:44.400 --> 01:48:00.480 time there are about 460 parking spaces empty in the structure. Our project, as you'll see when Jose explains it, impacts 167 of those spaces. So there will be surplus parking uh even when we're there significant surplus parking 354 01:48:00.480 --> 01:48:18.400 nearly 300 spaces. Briefly on the schedule uh thanks uh to the guidance uh largely uh commissioner Joe Magazine the city commission moved forward with an RFP early last year who happens to be in the room uh the uh with RFP for this use 355 01:48:18.400 --> 01:48:33.920 to activate the the garage in the beginning of last year. We won that uh lease and we entered into a lease agreement uh with the city. So that le the padlex is the lei padlex has been successful operator in South Florida now 356 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:50.080 for several years. First class operation uh the the closest one is as you can see in our photographs here across the bay next to the arch center in Miami. Paddle X is a open uh use. It is not a membership club. That means that anyone 357 01:48:50.080 --> 01:49:07.360 can rent a a paddle court using the Play Atomic Act app, excuse me. Uh, and that will be the same thing here. This is going to be a use that's open to the general public and not a membership in any way. Basics on the lease. I'm going to go through this quickly. So, this this 358 01:49:07.360 --> 01:49:23.520 structure is going to be here for just under 10 years. So, that is going to guide how we're designing it and how we're building it. It will be open from 7:00 in the morning to 11:00 p.m. maximum. And we have and terms of lease, we have to return the the roof to its original condition when we're done. So 359 01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:39.040 again, that has has played into how this use gets designed significantly. The lease includes a significant number of public benefits including free free sessions for residents, reduced rates for residents, uh youth program, the 360 01:49:39.040 --> 01:49:55.360 afterchool program, scholarships. There's a there's a a focus and this again is this is the same thing that Paddle X does everywhere. They're trying to bring people into the sport. They're trying to get kids excited about it and become actual professionals there. There we're we're also activating 361 01:49:55.360 --> 01:50:10.880 with charities. There's again we're working with parks and recreation to have lots of activations on the roof. So that is all part of the lease um as we go forward. So with that and the remaining six minutes, let me let Jose come up take you through the design and then we can answer any questions you may 362 01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:37.119 have. Good morning everybody. My name is Jose Lobo. I represent So Design Studio. I'm an architect in Fort Lauderdale 6 632 Southwest 4th Avenue. So I'll just take you through these through these next few slides. Uh here 363 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:52.800 we're seeing the the floor plan of the roof as the paddle course are going to be laid out. Um the way you access the facility would be through the main stair on the north side. And then once you're up at the at the roof level, you're going to encounter the lounges, the um 364 01:50:52.800 --> 01:51:08.880 the pro shop and the restrooms. And then flag to the left and the right would be the courts. Um we uh we have been working with the city in um affecting the least uh the parking structure. Uh 365 01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:27.360 so we uh so we can um obviously this is a 10-year lease, so we would be able to dismantle um without affecting the the the actual garage. Here you can see uh the spaces that are being uh exchanged for for a brand new 366 01:51:27.360 --> 01:51:45.760 um venue for the city. And um in these slides you can these are the elevations where you can see uh more like two dimensional representation of of the facade. But uh what we're trying to create here is something something really light 367 01:51:45.760 --> 01:52:05.920 intelligent that um that represents um um uh sports facility as as it's been done around the world in in other um you know other ones that I can call out on this slide. You can see the um where 368 01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:23.440 we are intending to have where it says clubhouse is is the arrival that uh that would be sort of like the most permanent structure and then the paddle courts would be all modular and uh and built uh to to fit the uh the courts. Uh each 369 01:52:23.440 --> 01:52:40.560 each court it's its own um structure and then we have a skin that wraps the quartz. uh you'll you'll see in the in the next few slides, but uh what you're seeing here is where we're planning to locate the mechanical equipment so we don't um so we don't have visibility 370 01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:58.000 from the from the ground floor, the surroundings. Here's uh here's the the uh the inspiration behind this the skin and in in the slide to the right you see the the courts and how they're um it's a 371 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:15.599 it's a modular system that gets installed on on on the on on site. And here here's sort of like the um the the technology behind it. And this is the this is the look of of 372 01:53:15.599 --> 01:53:34.560 uh of the element al together as it would be uh seen at night. What what you're seeing is uh the first 12 ft is transparent and then and then we have we have this canvas structure PVC um above that wrapping the uh the 373 01:53:34.560 --> 01:53:52.040 whole facility. Um, the intent is to complement the the garage. As you can see, it's it's just like a like a um a a way to top off this garage in a in a elegant way. 374 01:53:53.920 --> 01:54:17.760 And this is the view of the corner. Thank you. briefly. >> Thank you. >> Uh so with that, um we have no objection to staff suggested conditions uh in its draft order. So we would ask for your approval this morning. Uh we're all here 375 01:54:17.760 --> 01:54:35.280 for any questions you may have and I'd like to reserve time for rebuttal. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Disclosures. >> I had a call from Rory Greenberg um to talk about the project and we spoke a little bit about the project. That's it. 376 01:54:35.280 --> 01:54:51.679 I also spoke with Rory Greenberg as well on the phone. >> I went to the site and met with uh the owners and attorneys as well. >> I too went to the site and met with the owners. >> I went to the site with the owners. 377 01:54:51.679 --> 01:55:08.400 >> Okay. >> All right. Shall we open the public hearing? >> Good. >> Okay. If anybody online who would like to speak, please raise your hand. Going once. going twice. >> Sold. >> No hands raised. 378 01:55:08.400 --> 01:55:24.480 >> I have a comment to the chair when it's time. >> Go right ahead. >> The rendering that comes up with Paddle X at night with the lighting which looks beautiful. Um it feels like if the whole entire building is Paddle X, right, when 379 01:55:24.480 --> 01:55:39.920 you have that rendering. Can you put that rendering up for a second? >> Sure. >> That one. >> That one. Right. >> Yeah. This gives you more of a idea of the of the scale of it. The >> I get it. But I'm I'm simply saying is that I think that there should be some 380 01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:56.320 type of signage for the city's structure as well for the parking facility. I'm not sure what it should say, but the Paddle X Miami Beach sign there looks extremely cool. The facade looks extremely cool. I just think that when somebody looks at it, they should be able to understand that it's not just a 381 01:55:56.320 --> 01:56:13.040 Paddle X building and that there is something else that's part of the structure. So, I'm just saying that it should be some type of a co-branding element to it is my sort of like feel when I look at it. Are >> there currently public parking signs on there? I mean, I recall driving in and 382 01:56:13.040 --> 01:56:30.159 knowing being signaled where to >> No, I'm saying that you have you have the potential of having, you know, signage from the city side. I'm not sure, you know, what would it be? Um, >> but if not, it just looks like the whole entire building is battle. 383 01:56:30.159 --> 01:56:46.320 I'm not saying it's a I mean it's beautiful for Paddle X. I think it's very cool, but I just think that it looks so nice that I also think that we should take advantage and have some type of signage to show somewhat of the partnership. >> The uh Andress to answer that question under the terms of the lease, the reason 384 01:56:46.320 --> 01:57:01.760 it says Miami Beach under that is that our signage has to include Miami Beach in it. Now, it doesn't say Miami Beach >> 17th Street Garage on it, but it it says Miami Beach. So that's the that is the the agreement under the terms of the lease that that that's why it's 385 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:18.800 incorporated. And just just to draw that out, there is a condition in the in the order regarding the signage that that it has to meet code. Um so we are we've just we had a discussion with staff yesterday about how to do that mathematics. So the exact size of these signs is going to be adjusted based on 386 01:57:18.800 --> 01:57:34.800 the the code requirements. >> That's my comment. I I mean I'm not say I think it looks beautiful. I just think that we should get some exposure as well somehow. >> I think that uh you raised a valid point that you don't want people to not realize that they can use this as a 387 01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:50.960 public parking facility. Um I'm not so concerned about u ownership or or rights, but but I do think that I don't want people to be dissuaded from use from that. It's just a great opportunity. It's public parking. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean I I agree. I may be more 388 01:57:50.960 --> 01:58:06.000 like street level. I don't know. I'm I'm of the view that we don't need so much branding like up top for everybody to see. But as long as if you're driving by and you have the little piece by that should be >> currently there is signage at ground level for parking. 389 01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:22.800 >> But maybe it can be enhanced or it can be replaced and do something a little bit more in line with what's on the rooftop. Uh but at ground level um maybe the city can um use your um >> inspiration >> inspiration 390 01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:39.760 >> for the signage at ground level. I also have another question. On the rooftop you I think stated there's 462 spaces. >> There are >> parking spaces currently. >> Challenging my math on that. There's 1,400 total. 391 01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:54.320 >> Yeah. >> 467. >> 467. Okay. And >> 367 and we're using >> we're we're impacting 167 of the of the roof. >> So you're removing 167 spaces and leaving how many? 392 01:58:54.320 --> 01:59:11.119 >> 15 192. >> 192. So during the high season um and not just boat show uh that rooftop does fill up. Um, so if um if there's a convention now, there's 393 01:59:11.119 --> 01:59:28.480 boat show, let's say, and um or the Summit of the Americas comes back or something comes back, Super Bowl, um will they cars be able to then utilize the remaining 192 spaces or so? >> Oh, yeah. 100%. I should have been clear 394 01:59:28.480 --> 01:59:43.119 about that. any of the spaces that aren't touched by our actual physical structure are still public parking spaces. >> Okay? And they can be utilized if needed, >> 100%. >> Okay? >> And part of part of what we've designed is that you can see that we have 395 01:59:43.119 --> 02:00:00.480 basically two entrances to our facility that people we anticipate people are going to park. You see where the the pink is there? Um here I can do I can point us. >> See, we have an entrance. >> This this is a there's an entrance here, too. So, we anticipate people who are driving up are going to park right there because they'll be feet away from the 396 02:00:00.480 --> 02:00:16.560 entrance. >> Probably get more people using the rooftop park. >> You probably get more people using the rooftop parking now than then in a long time. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Well, I do like how the design >> mostly. I do like how the design looks like it was part of original building like it's 397 02:00:16.560 --> 02:00:32.480 one integrated um I guess not system but like this looks like it's originally part of the the building design not like a random uh very controversial um 398 02:00:32.480 --> 02:00:49.360 uh finish that wouldn't that clashes with the original parking structure. The whole structure looks like one element now with that pedal pedal. >> That was the intent. >> That was the intent. Just wanted it to feel like one facility that was designed 399 02:00:49.360 --> 02:01:04.639 originally. >> Yes. >> And you said that the um the structure is pressurized and that's how it keeps it keeps itself um >> the parametric design and and >> inflated. So if the power does fail and 400 02:01:04.639 --> 02:01:21.360 there's no >> positive air force with inside the structure, will it deflate or will it still be >> well in uh in the way that it's this is stitched uh together all these forms? >> Mhm. >> So the shape is still going to it will 401 02:01:21.360 --> 02:01:37.760 still >> if it's a power failure, >> right? >> Okay. >> There's I mean just to be clear, there's a distinction between the actual structure where people are and the skin, right? the skin is the one that's uh that is being inflated essentially the the structures are m are kept up by the 402 02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:53.920 structural elements inside them right so they're not relying on pressure >> the skin won't >> because because the actual tent or you know where the courts are we're we have the ability to raise up the sides so that you can have the fresh air go through on nice days so they're not relying on pressure 403 02:01:53.920 --> 02:02:11.760 >> okay >> through the chair I'm sorry I did a I don't know if there's a way of showing this but this is what kind of like was talking about. I just did the power of AI to show how you can incorporate an image of the city sign, right, with 404 02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:29.040 paddle X still there. And it still shows nicely, you know, that it's city public parking with and doesn't have to necessarily be that, but just trying to show what I was trying to explain. >> I would just tell our our constraint is the code, right? CCC district does not 405 02:02:29.040 --> 02:02:45.199 allow us or the city candidly to just wave any size limits, location limits for signage >> or amount of signage. >> Yeah. And the number, right? We are entitled to two building identification signs, right? So that and we can on one 406 02:02:45.199 --> 02:03:02.239 on each corner, right? We have the we have the one in this in the on the north facade and we have one on the east facade. Uh which is just the X. So that's all the code allows us. Now, we don't have any issue if the idea is that the board's direction is to the city to 407 02:03:02.239 --> 02:03:18.719 explore using its logo that we have to incorporate in some way to make it clear that it's a parking structure. That doesn't >> I'm actually not saying to touch your logo. I don't think it should be next to your logo. So, I'm I'm I don't know if there's a way that I could submit this 408 02:03:18.719 --> 02:03:34.080 design, this idea for the city side and say, "Hey, can the city look into them incorporating um you know, the city signage >> address, you know, let me just add something here. I'm sorry. When there is 409 02:03:34.080 --> 02:03:51.199 a convention or an event, >> right, >> parking that is available at the city near that event or convention is very well. Um, >> no, I'm not trying to say this because people are not going to know that the garage is there for public parking. 410 02:03:51.199 --> 02:04:08.159 >> No, no. So that information of that parking space being available for the events is well in well communicated um to conventions and event goers. So what's left are people like you and I. We're not part of a convention. We're 411 02:04:08.159 --> 02:04:21.840 not part of an event, but we're going to Lincoln Road. And we may be new to the city. Um you know, you just weren't born here and I haven't been here 60some years. So, we don't know that that 412 02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:39.679 parking lot is for parking, but I think as we are driving through the city looking for parking, as a non-convention or non-event person, the street level parking may be more effective and cover your request. I personally would like 413 02:04:39.679 --> 02:04:55.920 the um emblem of the city where you say Miami Beach to be included. That's our little icon, but that's separate. That's another issue. But I think the the information that that building is parking for the majority of 414 02:04:55.920 --> 02:05:11.679 the people that use it in big groups like conventions and event goers that will be communicated to them. In addition to that, >> it's street level. >> Yeah, I get it. That's not my point. My point everybody's going to know that that's parking and no one's going to think that they can't park there. I I 415 02:05:11.679 --> 02:05:27.599 just think that the aesthetics of the whole entire building should have if it could be done. It's just my thought. I'm only one person though. >> Yeah. No. And and you know my concern is I agree with you that you know it shows parking at a higher level. You know if 416 02:05:27.599 --> 02:05:44.639 someone's looking up or from a distance looking at this structure, >> the convention center across the street. >> Yeah. Which will hopefully be in more usage as time goes by with the hotel opening up. But uh at the same time it 417 02:05:44.639 --> 02:05:59.360 um I don't think that it's currently has a label on the top saying parking and yet everybody finds it. But because it's going to say Padel X, they may think, oh, this is just Padel X over there. And 418 02:05:59.360 --> 02:06:15.199 I think that's Mion's concern. And that's why I think if we can do it at ground level, my suggestion um it may suffice. Um um I also would not like to camouflage anymore the design of that 419 02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:29.920 screen. It's pretty, especially at night when it's lit up. >> So we are you suggesting that the the applicant does a a new sign down at the ground level where it says >> there is signage right now at ground level. Yeah. Um through each of the 420 02:06:29.920 --> 02:06:47.440 entrances. However, it's signage done by the city. It's been there for up teen years. it could be improved, it could be enhanced, and maybe this is something that they can assist the city with. Um, so that it's it it all entails. At the 421 02:06:47.440 --> 02:07:02.000 same time, they should study the possibility of putting a parking sign, as Mr. Aion says, on the top uh where the pedal courts are going to be. >> Again, actually, my request is not for the applicant to do this sign for the 422 02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:18.800 city. Uh my thought process is that city should look at doing their own sign in their own building if it's possible. So I'm not making it subject to um the applicant doing that. >> I'll I'll I agree. The signage the city the the garage has signage on the ground 423 02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:35.520 level. Um the signage doesn't comply with our current sign regulations because it's on a flat background which is something we wouldn't allow. It has that we we require individual pin mounted pin pin mounted letters. Um, but I'll I'll reach out to So, it predates our current 424 02:07:35.520 --> 02:07:50.079 requirements because that garage has been there for some time, but I'll I'll reach out to the parking director um to discuss the possibility of signage. I don't know that the applicant's lease gives them the ability to modify things other than where they're allowed to 425 02:07:50.079 --> 02:08:06.079 construct. Um, but I'll I'll reach out to the parking department to see if maybe that's something that can be done. Yeah, given the the nexus of this point and what's going on across the street and this this it' be nice to make it a >> upgrade. >> Agreed. Agreed. >> That's just a city sign. >> The signage wherever it may be. 426 02:08:06.079 --> 02:08:22.079 >> Yeah. And on the on the funding side on the terms of our lease, we we're obligated to to pay the city $200,000 as at the start of the lease. So, if the city wants to devote some of that money to enhancing the signage of the garage, that's a great use for it. 427 02:08:22.079 --> 02:08:38.639 Um, >> so you when you're talking to the parking director Raelia, you might want to mention that as well. >> Actually, Commissioner, um, parking department is an enterprise fund and that fund can only be used for parking related items. So, this could be 428 02:08:38.639 --> 02:09:01.679 a good use of their funds. >> Um, talking about the skin because that's the most uh visual item here. Um I'm not 100% clear on how this is >> where it sits. >> I see I know where it sits. We have we 429 02:09:01.679 --> 02:09:19.440 have a basically a tent with with side walls that have three dimensional pattern. And is that pattern is you're saying it's an inflatable >> triangulated. >> So >> I'm I'm not there's no section or anything. I I it looks good. I and I see 430 02:09:19.440 --> 02:09:36.639 like a plastic a version of it in there. >> So So the cord itself is a it's its own structure. It's it own it's like a shed, right? It has its own roof. >> That part I got it's the it's the decorative part, >> right? And then so outside of that uh offset off of that is the is the new skin. It's the skin that's going to clad 431 02:09:36.639 --> 02:09:52.960 the whole facade of the building. >> And what is the thickness of it? And is that something that is you're saying it's filled with air that gives it its threedimension dimensionality which is not the pressurization from the quartz its own >> right >> its own band that's wrapping around 432 02:09:52.960 --> 02:10:07.920 everything. >> Exactly. And it's going to be 8 8 to 12 in in thickness >> because of because of whatever structure we have to provide to to hold the the canvas. It's the tent that's 8 to 12 in or the 433 02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:24.560 >> So there there's the tent is it its own thing and then on the the the the sidewall of the tent is very tall and then at the top I don't know 18 ft or something like that is is the is the decorative panel and that's an inflated decorative skin we'll call it. 434 02:10:24.560 --> 02:10:40.320 >> Right. >> And >> can you bring that up on the screen? >> Sure. We can put I think this rendering shows it. >> What does it look like when it's not inflated? Yeah, I know you you asked that, right? Is it and is it like not that the power goes out, but it costs money to keep it inflated all the time. 435 02:10:40.320 --> 02:10:56.880 >> So, um so it's going to look that it's going to have the the geometry is going to still show because it's stitched at the wherever we have the the the geometry, right? Um it might not be as threedimensional as you're seeing it on the screen, 436 02:10:56.880 --> 02:11:13.440 >> but it's not going to power up. It's not gonna like sag and feel deflated because >> it's not going to be running 24 hours a day. The inflated section is it? >> It it it should be. That's that's the that's the idea of this. >> I compliment. 437 02:11:13.440 --> 02:11:28.400 >> Sure. >> Hello. Hello. I'm CEO of the company, one of the parters. Get on get on the mic. Sorry. I thought they could hear me. Sorry about that. >> No, the idea the idea we brought I wanted to say say two things. The first reason we're actually putting a facade 438 02:11:28.400 --> 02:11:44.880 is because like one of the members here said, we want to fully integrate the the structure to the existing structure. So we didn't want to have a visual for the city of actually seeing you know like a modular structure. We wanted to you know make something beautiful that was fully 439 02:11:44.880 --> 02:11:59.840 integrated with the city. This technology we're bringing and I think is is a very intelligent uh you know modular structure is being used in other stadiums around the world. We we worked on the preliminary architecture with a very leading architecture company from 440 02:11:59.840 --> 02:12:16.639 Spain and this has been tested all around. Uh the inflatable structure itself is is very thin. Uh and the compressor is not blowing wind into the structure in a permanent form. It's just keeping the the the the pressure constant. That's all. So it's not like 441 02:12:16.639 --> 02:12:33.040 it's blowing wind into the structure in a permanent fashion. It's only keeping it tight and you know and it in a tight fashion. Our interest since we approached this project as uh you know I think obviously as being a sports company we have to have a positive 442 02:12:33.040 --> 02:12:49.920 impact in the communities we come to our our intentions since the beginning was integrating to the existing structure. So whatever the city thinks we can provide in terms of enhancing the experience. Uh so Maida one of the members says the one of her concerns 443 02:12:49.920 --> 02:13:05.679 it's also our concern it's the same concern we share when we approached the city for the RFP we said we don't want to be isolated you know in the last floor of a parking space and our clients not finding us out either you know so what I'm trying to say with this is I 444 02:13:05.679 --> 02:13:22.320 think we're destined to work with the city in a you know in a collaborating fashion because it's in our interest too that our clients can drive up to the to the facility We're not going to be in a rooftop. We're not going to be at street level. And therefore, since we're going to be inserting in sorry, we're going to 445 02:13:22.320 --> 02:13:39.119 be inserting in the public structure. The only way this can work is fully collaborating at the end of the day. And if we can enhance the experience in signage or for people who actually come walking from street, street level or whatever we can help provide to the city, we're open to do so. 446 02:13:39.119 --> 02:13:55.840 >> Thank you. We we appreciate it. And I we think we know you're spending a lot of money for for something that is is a lease. Um, my concern is only what is that thing really because I don't trust renderings all the time and there's not a full diagram of it. So I I think I understand it's a it's a grid with a 447 02:13:55.840 --> 02:14:12.159 inflatable sandwich just some type of sandwich and then that's what gives it three dimensional shape. >> Yeah, exactly. It's exactly that and what we thought is the city deserve more more than just seeing a moder structure from the street. I think we see the 448 02:14:12.159 --> 02:14:28.800 enhancement the city's pushing in the control road in Miami Beach. I think I really believe Miami Beach is you know got a bright future ahead of it. we want to be part of it and we thought the site deserved a lot of you know more than just a modular structure you know uh regarding the details of course we're 449 02:14:28.800 --> 02:14:45.440 going to work with you we know the RB commission we're going to work with the building department too and as we progress in a more detailed engineering you know aspects of this uh you know obviously more than more than happy to provide all I wanted to say is that obviously this is not a technology is 450 02:14:45.440 --> 02:15:00.000 technology that's already been proved abroad and it's being used specifically for sports facilities ities. So I think you know for the city >> for hurricanes I'm sure I'm not sure the other places that they used it's was 451 02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:16.159 used in a condition where hurricanes are around in the event of a hurricane what comes down what stays up >> yeah that's a very good question because it's one of the technical challenges we have designing the project. So what we're proposing is basically a permanent structure where the clubhouse or the 452 02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:32.239 lounge or the social area is going to be situated and all the courts or the surrounding courts to the actual central you know social element. The skin is it can be you know you know electrically you know you know removed to let the wind come through when the when the wind 453 02:15:32.239 --> 02:15:48.400 is blowing hard and we can put it back after you know if you had a unfortunately we happened to have a a hurricane season >> and um for historical purposes how many people submitted for the RFP >> only one 454 02:15:48.400 --> 02:16:04.560 >> no it was a seven yeah that's >> seven yeah >> it was a tight competition Got it. Congrats. >> Yeah. >> 32 and seven. >> Yeah. >> Oh, for to go farther. >> That's a That was a tight That was a big race. Congratulations on winning that RFP. 455 02:16:04.560 --> 02:16:21.280 >> Yeah. Well, I I think one of the things that got got us through was actually the proposal of the indoor structure. I think there were some proposals that were proposing an outdoor structure, but especially with Nala's expertise as a paddle expert and a leading voice in the paddle industry here in in in the US, we 456 02:16:21.280 --> 02:16:36.240 thought the playing experience on a rooftop with the windy conditions, it was going to make it unplayable, you know. So, I think if we really want to provide a long-term vision of a high-end facility for Miami Beach, we thought that, you know, the experience had to be 457 02:16:36.240 --> 02:16:52.960 indoor, you know. So, we tried to match all the factors. The fact that we were sorry, we were in a rooftop considering the structural overload potentially of building something more permanent, having the windy conditions indoor, and we came up with this creative solution we've seen in other 458 02:16:52.960 --> 02:17:10.000 sports facilities uh across the world. Matter of fact, this company, Lucotendas, is a Portuguese company. They're very well known. Uh they've been building across the US. They've actually opened just recently uh icon paddle in Aventura on a same kind of situation as 459 02:17:10.000 --> 02:17:26.319 we do on top of a rooftop and they're building all the Cristiano Ronaldos. I don't know if you know the soccer star from Portugal, but uh basically they're building all his all all his clubs around the world and that's why we reached out to this company in particular. >> Yeah, I'm sure they do great work. I was just concerned on the the height and the 460 02:17:26.319 --> 02:17:40.080 hurricane situation here. >> I think a very good example for the DRB commission is going to be to follow up on the icon project on Aventura because it's specifically it's very similar to what we're doing and I know they went through permitting and they're I think 461 02:17:40.080 --> 02:17:59.760 they're very close to opening very soon. Um, can I have one design besides understanding this skin? I Can we go to page 19 of the renderings? >> All right. Show me which one is that? >> By the way, the icon paddle design looks 462 02:17:59.760 --> 02:18:14.639 very cool. >> The one before this one. >> This one. >> Oh, sorry. I don't know if I'm on the same page here. >> I can't tell which page is which. >> The city has it. >> Tell me when to stop. >> Keep going. >> Mentioned. Yeah, I think there's some reason 463 02:18:14.639 --> 02:18:31.120 >> this one you could leave here. Um, this is for the board. This is just something that I had a feeling about and doesn't need to be agreed upon or anything. The setback that you see behind the stair bulkhead 464 02:18:31.120 --> 02:18:48.960 is the permanent facility where the clubhouse is and the bathrooms. The roof that's not the same structure. And when I was up there when I looked at these renderings again and I sort of thought that potentially 465 02:18:48.960 --> 02:19:03.519 this first I thought in the rendering it was a different material at least the skin and I wonder what you guys think if if that should have this is big. It's 34 feet off of here. Should that one 466 02:19:03.519 --> 02:19:20.319 section potentially be a a different pattern or or lower? It doesn't >> or a window >> the the section behind the the staircase. >> Yeah, the one section there. >> There's mechanical equipment and I' I'd like to cover that, but I think the 467 02:19:20.319 --> 02:19:37.120 ceiling heights within that clubhouse are probably not as high. So, it's about breaking up >> the the same material all the way across even though it is set back a few few feet. there. It could be shorter or it could be a different same material but 468 02:19:37.120 --> 02:19:52.000 maybe a different pattern. >> Your point is correct. What we're thinking is we're thinking more or less more or less roughly 30 feet high for the courts and 10 ft high to 10 to 12 feet high I think for the club the clubhouse area. What was our intention? 469 02:19:52.000 --> 02:20:08.399 We we we thought about this rather than having breakage in what how you saw the building. What the idea we had with a facade that we're proposing is basically to unify this since you're going to have different modules that coming in different directions and maybe the clubhouse was going to be on a different 470 02:20:08.399 --> 02:20:23.680 height. What we humbly thought was better for the city in terms of you know how how the building looked from from from street level. It was to have a facade that covered and unified this whole you know all these all these modules you know but it's I mean if if 471 02:20:23.680 --> 02:20:38.560 it's something you want to revise in the future we're open to no maybe take a look at it >> from the paddle from the paddle side what is the view like when you're looking outwards when if you're playing paddle do you are you looking at a white wall or can you look through it and see the views? 472 02:20:38.560 --> 02:20:55.280 >> So the the first 12 ft uh the first 12 ft of uh that you see that's transparent it's actually the the court behind it. Is there a perspective if I'm playing paddle? What what what does it look like if I'm looking out? >> Do you >> We We don't have that rendering. >> Is it Is it white the back of that white 473 02:20:55.280 --> 02:21:10.399 wall or is >> I think they they There were samples of the material. >> It's a >> traveling around here. >> It's a materials or just plexiglass. >> My question is can I look through it and see like the park in front of it? 474 02:21:10.399 --> 02:21:29.359 >> Yes. Hello, Nalle Grind. I'm JP's partner in paddle X. I'm more of the paddle expert. So, I'm going to give you a little uh what you get to answer your question. Basically, the court itself has a glass 475 02:21:29.359 --> 02:21:43.520 wall that's 9 ft tall >> and then there's a mesh there's a mesh wall. I want to say it's three feet tall. It's 12 feet is a structure. When you're standing on the court behind the court, you have the tent and the first 476 02:21:43.520 --> 02:21:59.840 12 feet of that tent can be electrically brought down or up depending on the weather. You see, if we have hot weather, rainy weather that we would prefer to play inside, then we bring 477 02:21:59.840 --> 02:22:17.200 down the curtain and you don't see anything. Basically, it's opaque and there is no glare and there's no se you cannot see through. However, hoping that you know in Miami the weather is good most of the time if the temperature allows it in the winter days and so on 478 02:22:17.200 --> 02:22:33.359 and the view is so beautiful up there overlooking the new hotel that's on the right or even the convention center down the street. uh we will open we'll open those curtains and let the air come through and the view to be able to the 479 02:22:33.359 --> 02:22:53.760 player to be able to view uh the hotel or the >> Got it. I didn't I didn't know that in the design. I didn't pick up on that. >> Nice. >> So that's the clarification. If you have any other questions on the technicality >> point of clarification, is it nine 480 02:22:53.760 --> 02:23:11.200 quarts or 10? >> Huh? >> It's it's a >> 10 courts. >> Yeah, we we started with 10, but when we had to um the the the dimensions of the court were were forcing us to make some intervention on the on the garage. So, 481 02:23:11.200 --> 02:23:27.600 as we um as we reconfigured it so we could remove them without having to demolish anything on the garage, we ended up with nine. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, just I'm I'm sorry to repeat this again, but then the plexiglass around 482 02:23:27.600 --> 02:23:45.040 the Bedell courts goes up 10 ft. >> Um yeah, if you look up the slide, we can show I think clearly Myra, >> this shows you basically as Nalie was explaining. So the the courts are on the right hand side, right? You can see that they have a structure. They have a fence internal to them, 483 02:23:45.040 --> 02:24:00.800 >> but you can see that at outside of that it's open. So that so on a good day, you just can roll up that that uh lower 12 feet of this the overall structure and the air goes through, right? So then those go down if it's too hot or if it's too wet or whatever. But yeah, so the 484 02:24:00.800 --> 02:24:17.280 courts themselves are, you know, they have their own structure to them. >> That's part of the game. And then beyond those curtains is the um >> the skin >> the skin the wrapper >> right >> the skin starts from the top of the >> you can see on the on the photograph on 485 02:24:17.280 --> 02:24:33.760 the on the >> of the roof >> sorry on the photograph on the on the on the two sides you see that that it >> that the top drops and that's where the current can continue dropping. Yeah. And the skin would start at that level, right? And go up. >> Right. Right. So it's not blocking your 486 02:24:33.760 --> 02:24:50.479 view on a nice day, you're going to see the world. >> So on top of it, >> yes. >> Yes. >> And a hurricane would be >> that comes off for a hurricane. And the just basically the skeleton is 487 02:24:50.479 --> 02:25:06.240 what's left on the roof. I think there was a You see how the canvas is uh >> the skin is 18 feet tall and the opening is 12 ft. >> So 12 and then >> 18. 488 02:25:06.240 --> 02:25:22.000 >> Yeah. >> So that's what I'm saying. It's a lot of presence of of the material we're going to see is from a distance is this >> this this uh >> inflated sandwich calling it >> um >> 30 feet high. 489 02:25:22.000 --> 02:25:38.319 34 mess has gone through all the structural engineering engineering for anchoring details for the putins and stuff like that to withstand the hurricane in Florida. So we we've been in we've been in weekly conversations with the structural engineer. Um what 490 02:25:38.319 --> 02:25:55.920 >> yeah we already thought that through >> right now >> motion to approve. >> Can I can I just say something? Um yeah first of all I wanted to commend Commissioner Magazine for spearheading this project. I think that this goes with um a movement of our city to move 491 02:25:55.920 --> 02:26:13.359 to provide uh resources for health and wellness which is great. Also, um, my family are paddle addicts and so we've played at all the facilities around Miami Beach and I do have to say that PaddleX runs an amazing amazing ship and they are particularly good at building 492 02:26:13.359 --> 02:26:29.760 community. And so I think that as you look at this structure that is a parking garage and to think that there'll be a a community of people gathering, playing, exercising, uh meeting each other, and using an area of this of our little beach that is completely not used at 493 02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:46.319 night is exciting. As a woman, I'm particularly excited about the ambient light that the the design provides for the parking garage as we see city hall and the new convention center. that is very welcome addition to our safety concerns for design. Um, and I just also 494 02:26:46.319 --> 02:27:03.120 wanted to say that the businesses that are being built on Lincoln Road and all the money that's being poured into Lincoln Road should be very grateful for what you're bringing as well because after I play paddle, I'm very hungry and so I go to eat at one of these restaurants that are being developed on Lincoln Road or we ride our bicycles up 495 02:27:03.120 --> 02:27:19.520 and down, we notice what else is happening in the neighborhood. So, I think it's a win on every level. Um, first of course the design, but also the resources that you bring to the community. So, thank you. >> Well said. >> Want to make a motion or 496 02:27:19.520 --> 02:27:35.600 >> And with that, I'd like to make a motion to approve Paddle X. >> I second it. >> Second it. >> Have a motion. >> We have a mo motion by Miss Mitch, second by Mr. Lester. Uh, all those in favor? Hi >> Could I just add that 497 02:27:35.600 --> 02:27:52.800 >> we make sure this inflatables skin >> is fully fully thought out. >> Um >> I just I still don't I I still don't know what what it is. I get it. I know it's it sounds great. Um and I uh I 498 02:27:52.800 --> 02:28:10.080 can't I can't tell from the section. So I know you guys will work on it, but so and that it that it covers the tent structure. So we that would be the my concern is is that make sure it's it's the presence, not the tent structure. >> And I'm sure the city's going to be looking after the hurricane concerns and 499 02:28:10.080 --> 02:28:25.439 >> yeah, that's that's definitely going to be part of the building code requirements that that will be looked at. Um yeah, we have we have conditions in the order uh regarding uh approval of the finishes and and the the semi-transparent material um to be reviewed and approved uh by staff 500 02:28:25.439 --> 02:28:40.880 consistent with the design review criteria andor directions from the board. So we will take that as direction from the board. >> Okay. >> Great presentation. Great job guys. >> We appreciate everyone's time. >> Very nice. >> We need to vote or >> Good job, Commissioner Magazine. 501 02:28:40.880 --> 02:28:57.680 >> I was I was talking too much. >> Congratulations, guys. >> I'm like I'm trying to go by the rules here. >> I try to go by the rules, but like I but I'm not keeping up with them. We need a we need a motion and then we need a then we need a second and then we need a vote 502 02:28:57.680 --> 02:29:16.080 and >> we need all that. All right, you got it. >> Chair, when you have a chance, I'm not sure when it's appropriate, but I have some recommendations I would like to make in general. >> Thank you very much for your support. >> Take care guys. Congrats. 503 02:29:16.080 --> 02:29:32.960 >> And go go ahead. Uh >> thank you Roelio. we had spoken before, but there's two items I would like to bring up. Number one, an easy one. I think that we're at one of the other board members also brought it up is that if we could have an option to sign yes or no to receive handd delivered 504 02:29:32.960 --> 02:29:48.560 packages to our homes, it would be great. I personally rather save the city money and not have those handd delivered packages and I can just get it electronically. Maybe other people want to do the same thing. Kind of like the bank. Do you want your bank statements mailed or digital? >> I think many people would do so. And 505 02:29:48.560 --> 02:30:04.880 then the other item that I want to bring up and that's for all boards. I would not just say for this board. Um the other thing is right now developments for houses throughout the city only permit you to build out a 25% of the 506 02:30:04.880 --> 02:30:22.720 roof as a roof deck. And a as a real estate uh broker and dealing with a lot of the houses throughout here in Miami Beach, it looks so ridiculous when you walk up to a roof of a house that's $20 million and there is 25% that has like 507 02:30:22.720 --> 02:30:37.920 three chairs and a little table and then everything else you can't walk on versus having, you know, the setbacks of a property dictate um or something else dictate what can be done on the roof without having it look kind of out of proportion. 508 02:30:37.920 --> 02:30:54.160 >> Out of proportion and it really looks out of proportion. It it's it's almost like you walk a $20 million house and then you go up the stairs, you walk up the roof and you're like, "Oh, that's it. Let me go back down." And there's no need. We have a beautiful view. We have beautiful sceneries and there's a lot of 509 02:30:54.160 --> 02:31:10.399 to appreciate if it's done correctly that I think that there should be something done in order for us to I'm not sure if this is the right board, but I would like to present it to the commission or somehow you lead the way of how it happens of uh of modifying that. 510 02:31:10.399 --> 02:31:27.439 >> So, so this board does have the ability to make recommendations and those get transmitted to the city commission as a letter to commission. So, if if uh if the board agrees and you have a specific recommendation, you can make a motion uh recommending that the city commission amend the land development regulations to do X, Y, and Z. And then I'll prepare 511 02:31:27.439 --> 02:31:43.359 an LTC and and and we'll get it to the city commission and and they can decide they they're the ones that will ultimately decide what >> and I don't know what the right answer is whether it's based on, you know, the current the setbacks are allowed or what would be adequate to present because I don't want to present something that's 512 02:31:43.359 --> 02:31:59.359 not adequate. But I think that we should have the discussion and I'm not sure if any others here agree with what I'm saying but I could show you many pictures where it just looks absolutely out of place and ridiculous. >> So what the code requires today um there's there's two limit two limits. 513 02:31:59.359 --> 02:32:14.720 There are additional setbacks. So the code requires um that roof decks have a setback of 10 ft from the from the outer walls of the floor immediately below. Um, it does provide an exemption. If it's a waterfront lot, then the waterfront portion can go all the way to the edge, but all of the other sides, 514 02:32:14.720 --> 02:32:31.359 the sides, front of the house, you have a 10- foot set back from uh the outer face of the of the of the floor below. Um, and then the other limitation is the 25% that you mentioned. Um, so perhaps uh >> is there a way to maybe just eliminate 25% um restriction and base it on the 515 02:32:31.359 --> 02:32:47.359 setbacks? >> That's that's an option. Yeah. Is there like a leeway for a waiver right now or it's just like 25? >> It's 25%. What does happen is they is it um applicants will request variances on occasion. Typically they they are able 516 02:32:47.359 --> 02:33:02.399 to justify that there's a hardship if the house has some sort of an irregular shape and cutting off a section of it just really doesn't work for the structure. And so sometimes they'll get a variance for a small percentage. I've never seen one more than two, three, 517 02:33:02.399 --> 02:33:18.560 maybe 4%. They're they're usually pretty pretty small. Um, but >> there's others that don't even submit it because like we're not going to waste our time because it's so ridiculous that doesn't make sense to spend the money if you could only have, you know, three chairs up there. So, >> when did that when did that go into 518 02:33:18.560 --> 02:33:36.319 effect? Was it always that way? >> It's always been that way since I've been here. I've been here 12 years. I, you know, I I agree with um Andreas, but what I do not like is when they start building structures on that rooftop and actually start making it 519 02:33:36.319 --> 02:33:53.040 more than just rooftop >> living, you know, but yet a third or fourth floor to the house, >> a good snowball, >> right? No, but I'm not saying to change that. I'm simply saying is that if you're going to have this the space and it's very easy to see the difference. So you're not somebody's not proposing to 520 02:33:53.040 --> 02:34:09.120 enclose something or something like that. I'm just simply saying is that >> you have a roof >> enclosed of 25% and then you have all this opening that you can't use. It's just like I promise you I could send you so many pictures of how bad it looks. >> So what are you proposing though? I'm 521 02:34:09.120 --> 02:34:26.640 proposing I'm no I'm proposing that the setbacks is enough that if they have the use of the setbacks that you don't need to restrict them to a 25% or a number >> um is my thought. We've had projects come here. I don't know if any of you remember that have been here um where 522 02:34:26.640 --> 02:34:41.760 they propose putting canopies up there >> and trelluses and becoming I agree with you the setbacks are enough. um 25% may may not be is not sufficient when when 523 02:34:41.760 --> 02:34:59.840 you have a whole roof deck up there, but as long as my opinion there isn't a another story of living up there. >> Well, there are some permitted obstructions for roofs. >> Well, that's fine, but some of the ones that have come here have been trelluses 524 02:34:59.840 --> 02:35:15.840 with vines and uh canopies. And >> think about it, there's a lot of houses. Obviously, they required a waiver and that's why >> even in Palm Island, the lots, many of the lots are 6,000 square ft. You could build 3,000 ft on that lot. That means you have 1,500 on the first floor, 1,500 525 02:35:15.840 --> 02:35:31.760 on the second floor, and then you have 25% that you could use of the second floor on the roof. That means you probably have like a 500 foot space up there on the roof. It's kind of like silly. It doesn't It just doesn't make >> Are you okay with elevator bulkheads going up there or potentially stair 526 02:35:31.760 --> 02:35:48.000 bulkheads like to because it goes with how you then you >> No, I'm just simply saying I'm not asking to change what you could put up there. >> I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying it comes with if we if we're like >> I'm just saying that what's current the rule now doesn't make sense and we have 527 02:35:48.000 --> 02:36:04.560 to change something for it to make sense. >> 25% is what he's saying. Ben perhaps the ask is we make this we give the setbacks a waiver request or like if we want to increase the percentage a little bit but they have to come to us as a waiver approval as opposed to a variance is 528 02:36:04.560 --> 02:36:19.439 that >> case >> that kind of sounds like yeah exactly it's so you have a case by case basis where >> I mean I think a variance is kind of a hard argument to make right if it's purely based on aesthetics or what you're saying which is a valid point but that's not really what a variance is for 529 02:36:19.439 --> 02:36:35.840 so you know a waiver with some limitations around that like how much they can go out and like you said I I agree I'm I'm concerned that this could >> be bad in certain instances but it's it should be helpful in few so maybe there's some sort of 530 02:36:35.840 --> 02:36:53.040 >> so so the code does have separate regulations on height exceptions regarding covered structures so it says covered structures that's like a trellis or a canopy of some sort um which are open on all sides and do not extend the exterior habitable space such such structures shall not exceed a combined area 20% of the enclosed floor area 531 02:36:53.040 --> 02:37:08.479 immediately below immediately one floor below and shall be set back a minimum of 10 ft from the perimeter of the enclosed floor below. So there's a separate >> that could stay the same. >> Yeah, that could stay the same. So even if the deck gets larger, the canopy is still the same limitation that existed prior 532 02:37:08.479 --> 02:37:25.359 >> because we regulate that separate from the deck itself. >> Um elevator bulkheads are also allowed as a height exception. Stair enclosures are not allowed as a height exception. So stairs would have to have to um open up on the second floor and you'd have to walk up and be open air once you get to 533 02:37:25.359 --> 02:37:40.240 get to the rooftop, >> which makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> On in single family homes, just on in multif family homes, they are allowed, but but um so I would like to make a motion that we um remove that 25% 534 02:37:40.240 --> 02:37:55.520 restriction, but leave the the other restrictions that are in place um and propose that to the commission. see what they say is my thought. >> I just feel like it really has to be a case by case scenario because you have 535 02:37:55.520 --> 02:38:12.240 the neighbors and visibility and how it affects I think any kind of blanket. >> Well, the visibility as he said it's still only going to be a 20 uh you said 20%. >> The the covered structure is limited to 20%. >> That won't ever change. So there's no 536 02:38:12.240 --> 02:38:29.120 visibility that this would affect. The only thing that would affect is that you could literally just walk around more on the roof area, right? But the visibility, we're not asking to change the visibility because that's that's a different regulation. I'm just simply saying don't don't box me in that I can 537 02:38:29.120 --> 02:38:46.479 only walk in 25% of my roof when I have this roof up there. That's my thought. Roelia, do you feel that this is something you should discuss with other members of the planning department and then come back to us at the next meeting with your thoughts as a department 538 02:38:46.479 --> 02:39:01.359 >> um >> of what should go to the commission because this may affect other issues that we're not that I'm not aware of. I I think what you could do is just uh make it a little more general because ultimately if if let's say that the a commissioner picks up on this and refers 539 02:39:01.359 --> 02:39:15.920 it. We'll have to go to the to the planning board and then two readings of city commission and and it would likely be referred to the land use committee as well. And I think the language would be refined and they can determine if it's something that should be done as part of a waiver or or if it's something that should be allowed as of right. Um, so 540 02:39:15.920 --> 02:39:32.080 you may just want to make um your recommendation explore options for increasing the the deck area including removing the 25%. >> That's good for me. >> And yeah, and now aren't you isn't the planning department going forward with 541 02:39:32.080 --> 02:39:49.600 some other changes that you all have been discussing like the second floor setback >> uh from first floor things of that nature. So >> all is would the idea is would the idea be to group all these land use changes 542 02:39:49.600 --> 02:40:06.399 >> to the planning at one point or do you do it peace meal? >> So it it depends on how it's referred. So we have a a referral that's pending to simplify the single family home regulations. Um this may be something we want to 543 02:40:06.399 --> 02:40:21.840 consider but but generally the idea of simplifying is not to change the overall uh structure of what can be built. It's simplifying the regulations to the extent possible. Um so I think this would probably be outside of the purview of that referral. >> But just for clarification this is not 544 02:40:21.840 --> 02:40:36.560 >> but it can be done separately. >> This is not a a request for what can be built. In other words, this is not what can be built. This is just the ability to be able to walk and use >> walkability of your utilize the the roof 545 02:40:36.560 --> 02:40:57.920 >> and not box it in. In other words, what could be built, I'm not asking to touch. I'm not asking to change or modify any of that. I'm just simply saying don't make me put a gate around that I can only walk in 25% of my roof. >> Okay. So, if that's the we would need a 546 02:40:57.920 --> 02:41:13.280 motion in a second. >> So, what is the motion? >> So, uh to transmit a recommendation to the city commission to explore options to allow for larger roof decks, including uh the possibility of removing the 25% um limitation for roof decks 547 02:41:13.280 --> 02:41:28.319 >> while continuing the other limitations that currently exist. >> Keeping the setback, >> keeping the setbacks and keeping the 20% restriction of the canopy area that could be built. So in other words, we're not modifying, >> right, >> any obstruction. We're not modifying what somebody could, you know, build 548 02:41:28.319 --> 02:41:44.880 bigger. It's just I could walk in more space. >> So it would be a recommendation. >> Correct. >> So I'll second >> this would go to planning from here to the planning board. >> It would be No, it would be an LTC to the city commission. One of the city commissioners would have to take that on 549 02:41:44.880 --> 02:41:59.359 and refer it. >> Okay. and then and then take it to the full city commission and the whole city commission would have to refer it to the city >> and and they would be the ones to decide whether this would trigger just a waiver. >> Yes, they would the mechanics of it. >> Do we want to suggest that or we leave that up? 550 02:41:59.359 --> 02:42:16.319 >> It's up to the board. Um if you leave it general, then that can be worked out as part of the process if it's a waiver or if it's something that's administrative. But that's that's up to the board. >> I want to make clear that we don't want this like an as of right thing. I like a little limitation on it, you know, because people pull up stuff up there 551 02:42:16.319 --> 02:42:33.200 and then it it just >> But there are it snowballs into >> somebody's playground on their roof and >> no slides. You just don't want to say can increase. >> There's a re there's a there's probably a reason keeping roof you can't you can't 552 02:42:33.200 --> 02:42:49.439 it's looks so ridiculous. >> It really does. >> I mean we we're in South Florida. We want to be able to enjoy uh these spaces and right now you could only build on 50% of the lot and there's a lot of areas that's taken up on the ground level especially when you're building uh 553 02:42:49.439 --> 02:43:05.840 understories. It just you know it's you should have >> a smoother use of your roof to be able to enjoy than the way that a lot of these homes are currently being built and and they lack that smooth area >> on the ground level. 554 02:43:05.840 --> 02:43:21.040 group >> that that we're not we're not saying that they can't do that. In other words, none of that is changing. >> Yeah. >> But they want more limitations. >> So if you have a if you have a waiver, if you require this as part of a waiver, 555 02:43:21.040 --> 02:43:37.040 then the applicant would be required to come to the design review board and it would be up to the the discretion of the board. However, it wouldn't rise to the level of review of a variance. So you wouldn't have to prove that there's a practical difficulty or a hardship. It would simply be looking at the design review criteria. Does does the design 556 02:43:37.040 --> 02:43:53.520 look okay? Is it does it >> that's great? >> You know, so that would be the waiver process. It would have to come to this board. But if the 25% is made bigger to allow someone to walk around their rooftop, keeping everything else 557 02:43:53.520 --> 02:44:10.399 constant, the setback, the canopy size, and all that, why require them to go through the process of coming to this board if all the other limitations are there? All you're allowing them to do is walk around and put a chair maybe 558 02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:26.560 >> um outside the 25%. Why then come to this board and go through the time and expense of coming to this board? >> I think there's considerations with neighbors. It could be different property by property. >> I mean that you have people people 559 02:44:26.560 --> 02:44:42.319 >> looking over other people's homes perhaps. I mean >> I don't think it's for us to decide. I think I think maybe just >> I don't >> they're still making it for us to decide. >> Well, our recommendation is to for them to think about it, right? And they can decide. Go ahead. 560 02:44:42.319 --> 02:44:59.279 >> I'll take anything. I just think that we need to make a we need to change this. It's ridiculous the way that it is right now. >> So, yeah, if we remove it alto together, it would be something that could be done administratively. Somebody could come in for a building permit and and we could and the staff could approve it. Um, so I 561 02:44:59.279 --> 02:45:19.040 I leave that up to the board of how the how you want to make that recommendation. Or you can list both options to to allow the board to to allow um a commissioner to decide what they want to refer. >> It would be nice to understand where this came from because, you know, I can 562 02:45:19.040 --> 02:45:35.120 speculate privacy. I can speculate a chair gets put over there and it's it's a danger to a hurricane wind situation. >> So it at a minimum to understand because I have an older house and we don't have that restriction on a roof. But um I I'm 563 02:45:35.120 --> 02:45:50.720 interested when this came about and what what its history was around it so as to understand the context and whether or not that was just kind of a some aetime thing or something that exists for a real legitimate safety reason. >> Do you have full access to your roof? >> Yes. 564 02:45:50.720 --> 02:46:05.520 >> And how nice is that? >> Uh it's hot up there. I It's lovely, but it's a 1930s house. >> But the option that you have, you could use your whole roof. It's nice to have. And that's >> But her house was probably built lower, right? So like that's that's what I'm saying. So just for them to come back to 565 02:46:05.520 --> 02:46:25.760 us cuz they can be a lot higher now looking down at the house. >> I'm I'm happy to take that recommendation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, so is the motion amended to um explore options to allow for larger roof decks through the process of waiver or 566 02:46:25.760 --> 02:46:41.359 do you want to list both? >> I'm fine with lifting both. Lifting both. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Both. >> I can't see how someone can come up with a hardship to be able to access their roof. >> Mhm. >> A legitimate hardship. 567 02:46:41.359 --> 02:46:57.520 >> For a wave, you don't need a hardship, >> but for a variance, you do. They're not asking for one of the items. No varian and to come for a waiver the cost and the time to come to this board to be able to utilize your roof as long I feel 568 02:46:57.520 --> 02:47:14.479 as long as there are parameters that give the requirements of what can and cannot be done. Why come here unless they're asking for something beyond what is allowed in the code. If there's setbacks of agree with you, if there's 569 02:47:14.479 --> 02:47:30.720 canopy restrictions, all these properties have a restriction that or a requirement that when a storm comes and it should be included in these rooftop livable areas, they need to remove whatever 570 02:47:30.720 --> 02:47:46.560 structures are up there um during a storm. Be it a chair, be it a potted plant, a a canopy, all of those things should be removed. it shouldn't be a requirement for us to babysit that. Um, but now if they want something beyond 571 02:47:46.560 --> 02:48:03.760 what the code will allow, yes, I you know, >> I think I think the idea here is that the 25% if and again I'm not advoc advocating for one way or another. We do need to analyze this. >> If it is the will to go through the process of waiver, you could do 25% administratively and if you want to 572 02:48:03.760 --> 02:48:20.080 exceed that, you would require a waiver granted by the DRB. I think that's the the way this would work if that that's the the way we proceed. Otherwise, we just remove the 25% alto together and and just allow >> leave the setbacks. >> Leave the setbacks and and all the other 573 02:48:20.080 --> 02:48:35.680 limitations. >> It says that more recent ordinances in some context increased allowable rooftop deck areas to 50% of the floor area immediately below depending on zoning district and design approvals. um 25% of the roof can only be used is 574 02:48:35.680 --> 02:48:53.200 it may be an old um oh this may have already evolved is it's worth looking into that because the it was an older zoning provision. >> Yeah the the 25% limit has been there as 575 02:48:53.200 --> 02:49:07.359 long as I can remember. I don't know when that was put in place >> before understories came into being. >> Exactly. But there are some recent ordinances allowing up to 50%. So I I don't know. >> So that's why I I think maybe before we 576 02:49:07.359 --> 02:49:24.240 take a vote, let's look at this by asking planning to take a look at it. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> the planning department and see what other ramifications what makes sense so that it's not >> um >> I think we're asking for is out of out 577 02:49:24.240 --> 02:49:44.800 of the reach in comparison to other >> codes we may have but also other municipalities around us >> these rooftop um living um is coming up more I hear your house is in the 30s is it a One story or two story? 578 02:49:44.800 --> 02:50:02.080 >> Three story. >> Three story. Um yeah, no one that's like that. >> But the the um the um >> Yeah, >> it's come more it's become more of a of um of a design now with I believe the 579 02:50:02.080 --> 02:50:19.279 understories and the and the flat roofs, you know, and the boxes that are being built. >> Um you know, they say, "Well, wait a minute. we can go do stuff up there. Um, so it's evolved to that. Um, we didn't have as much of it before. Obviously, 580 02:50:19.279 --> 02:50:35.439 when this was done, more homes were probably >> about 25%. >> The um the 50% that you may be referring to is is allowed in all other districts. So, if you're in a in a multif family district, a commercial district, you're allowed 50% of the of the as a height exception. 581 02:50:35.439 --> 02:50:51.279 >> Yeah. >> If you're below the maximum, and that's another that's another thing to keep in mind. If you're below the maximum height limit, your roof deck can be t can be larger. So this is only where it's an allowable height exception. >> So if you are below the maximum height 582 02:50:51.279 --> 02:51:07.520 limit, you can >> you can have more than 25%. >> My cases. >> Yeah. I think it's all about trying, you know, scale and not not having people building sukas and major permanent structures >> and the structures that are being built 583 02:51:07.520 --> 02:51:24.399 the the the fear is you don't want anybody looking down at you >> and it gives >> because the house over here next to me >> 10 foot presence. >> Yeah. >> So what are we what are we what are we summarizing here? So I have I have as of right now I have 584 02:51:24.399 --> 02:51:41.600 provided both options to um as part of the recommendation but it is it is a general to explore options to allow for larger roof decks including uh removal of the 25% uh limitation for the roof decks while maintaining all other restrictions or 585 02:51:41.600 --> 02:51:58.080 requiring that increases beyond 25% be subject only to a waiver as opposed to a variance. >> It's a very general request for them to explore. And >> I mean it's saying to explore. So you're all going to come back to us be it the commission planning board or >> any other board 586 02:51:58.080 --> 02:52:13.760 >> and in their decision weighing the two options they can look at why the 25% came to be >> and you know maybe that will >> and how many applications are asking for this. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Um so do we have a motion and a 587 02:52:13.760 --> 02:52:29.439 second to transmit that recommendation to the city commission? >> Motion. >> Second. We have a motion by Mr. Asion, second by Miss Leuen. All those in favor? >> Any opposed? No. >> Motion passes. >> Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. 588 02:52:29.439 --> 02:52:44.800 >> I have a question. Um that is this was the first time there had been uh so many so many exparte communications prior to uh the presentation that I just wanted to check with you that we are doing this properly and um by 589 02:52:44.800 --> 02:53:01.520 >> please speak into the microphone. You look like a robot though. >> I just wanted to have you please review the uh rules surrounding export communications both I received emails or a phone call or a text and the meetings that we went to and I want to make sure 590 02:53:01.520 --> 02:53:27.200 that we're all complying. Um >> yep. So the code of ordinances let me pull up the section. Thank you. >> You didn't get one. >> One text. >> Yes. So, the code requires you to disclose a communication that you 591 02:53:27.200 --> 02:53:44.960 receive from a an applicant um or an objector. really anyone who's appearing before you in your quasi judicial capacity. Um you have to just disclose the identity of the person. Um and then the 592 02:53:44.960 --> 02:54:00.479 the subject matter of the communication. So it would be just you saying I spoke to council for the applicant and we spoke about the project. So that's how the disclosure >> works. Did we comply based? I didn't I did not say I received an email from 593 02:54:00.479 --> 02:54:17.120 this person and you know >> uh >> I mean it there's no like specific formula but you did say that you spoke with the applicant and and you met with them and then you and that you uh went to the you visited the site. Okay. >> So that's sufficient for our purposes. 594 02:54:17.120 --> 02:54:32.399 >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> I think it's helpful in some ways you know. >> Yeah. I can I I can tell you my experience is that it can also be a problem later on because there are communications made maybe to you and yet 595 02:54:32.399 --> 02:54:48.479 they're not disclosed in the entire board because you're just saying I met with them, you know, and we talked about XYZ. Well, the and and the reason for the disclosure and the reason why my preference is for the disclosure to take place at the beginning of the public 596 02:54:48.479 --> 02:55:04.080 hearing is that a member of the public can cross-examine you about the communication that you had. >> So, usually that doesn't happen, but uh that's the the idea. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. Roelio, there was um in the 597 02:55:04.080 --> 02:55:20.960 presentation with um I I forget which of the two, there was a comment made by um I don't know if the Burkow group or or someone else that there's a code requirement that you obtain I think it 598 02:55:20.960 --> 02:55:36.240 had to do with the West Avenue project that you obtain um consensus from the neighborhood or the neighbors um or yeah, I'll call it consensus or approval 599 02:55:36.240 --> 02:55:51.920 um recommendation. Does that uh make sense to have when it comes to single family um districts, residential districts that let's say I'm building a house, should I 600 02:55:51.920 --> 02:56:08.880 not have the recommendation or letter saying yes or no from my adjacent neighbors? I I don't think we can limit um the property rights of of property owners 601 02:56:08.880 --> 02:56:23.520 based on >> Yeah. The the neighbor does not get a veto. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I because I see that sometimes it's done and sometimes it isn't and it isn't done specifically when the person 602 02:56:23.520 --> 02:56:41.359 presenting the project knows that it may be a problem for this neighbor or that neighbor. Um, so that's why I'm wondering if it's something that and not that they that they that we're going to accept it by saying, "Oh, I'm not going to give you the the v the waiver because 603 02:56:41.359 --> 02:56:57.120 your neighbor to the south doesn't want it, but just for us as a board to know whether the surrounding neighborhood and not the neighborhood 10 10 blocks north or south of the project is opposed, but just the surrounding 604 02:56:57.120 --> 02:57:12.960 neighbors are okay with what's being proposed. Does that make sense to any of you? >> Are you speaking specifically private >> single families? >> Single families. >> So that's why we have the notice requirement. So all of the neighbors are going to receive uh mail notice 605 02:57:12.960 --> 02:57:29.920 >> which goes to all on any project >> on any project coming before a board. They have to notify everyone within 375 ft. And that's for all of our all four of our land use boards. the um then that's so that the neighbors can provide this board with feedback so that you can determine if modifications or anything 606 02:57:29.920 --> 02:57:46.800 needs to happen to address their concern without necessarily stopping someone from being able to build a house or you know you can address things with design >> that's there and you know some people see this little red sign in front of a property and what the heck and they're driving they're not walking so they 607 02:57:46.800 --> 02:58:02.080 never stop to see it others say I never got the letter in the you know, >> or they get it and they just, oh, city of Miami Beach, and they toss it out. >> And and we, when we're having our pre-application meetings with applicants, we always strongly suggest 608 02:58:02.080 --> 02:58:18.319 that they reach out to their neighbors to figure out if there are any concerns so that they can address those in advance of coming to the board. And that way, ideally, you're going to get neighbors coming in saying, "I love this project. Please approve it." Um >> we we always let them know that that they should do that that it's highly 609 02:58:18.319 --> 02:58:34.560 recommended >> um for all of our boards. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Are there neighbor aren't there neighborhood associations for a lot of the single family neighborhoods or >> Yeah. Some of them are more active than others like um Alton Road for example. The president lives in what they we 610 02:58:34.560 --> 02:58:51.760 refer to as lower Alton um and and they don't become as active. Some neighborhood associations are more active than others. >> Um, >> just I would say Dallas and >> I didn't know that. Lower Alton. >> Huh? >> I didn't know lower Alton. 611 02:58:51.760 --> 02:59:12.000 >> Lower Al Yeah. Lower, middle, and and upper. >> There are there are some very active single family neighborhood associations, but I would say the multif family neighborhood associations are far more active than the single family associations. Okay. Um, 612 02:59:12.000 --> 02:59:26.880 >> we have 70 the community center. We said last time we wanted to to draft something. So that is I think our last item. Sorry. 613 02:59:26.880 --> 02:59:44.960 >> Yes. The that's um last month when the board considered the community center in North Beach, several things were continued. the design aspects of the site plan that was all continued to June. So that's coming back before the board in June. The board did request 614 02:59:44.960 --> 03:00:02.319 that there be a discussion uh this month on the agenda. So we we we forgot to add that in the in the agenda that went out, but we added it in the printed agenda that's before you. Um and that was to discuss if you wanted to make any recommendations to the city commission separate from the from the actual design 615 03:00:02.319 --> 03:00:18.800 review approval. Um the big recommendation that I recall was a recommendation that projects such as this um be required to go before the planning board >> um for operational >> the community center go before the planning. >> No, because the what the GU district 616 03:00:18.800 --> 03:00:35.359 requires is that public private partnerships go to the planning board. Um so if this was being done by a private developer, let's say there was a housing component and then they were attaching a community center to it, that would be required to go to the to the uh to the planning board. because it's entirely being developed by the city. 617 03:00:35.359 --> 03:00:51.359 It's not required to go to the planning board. >> Maybe projects like that should go before the planning board even if it's solely done by the city. I don't know. >> The chair. >> I will I will say that by the time a project gets here, it's gone through the 618 03:00:51.359 --> 03:01:07.359 community multiple times. I mean multiple to try and get consensus from the community that neighborhood association that's you know or that commercial association like anything for Lincoln Road I don't know 619 03:01:07.359 --> 03:01:23.439 they didn't mention anything from Lincoln Road today on this project but usually they >> they get you know they get uh sent to those boards and and get approval from them. Um, sure. >> As far as us as a board giving a 620 03:01:23.439 --> 03:01:37.760 recommendation to the commission or giving a thought to the commission that is outside of our jurisdiction as a board, outside of design, I don't know that we should step into that additional 621 03:01:37.760 --> 03:01:54.399 role. But if we I think I know Andreas had concerns. I have concerns with that project and I think some of you other folks here may have concern. I think we can personally send a letter to the 622 03:01:54.399 --> 03:02:10.240 commission with a copy to the rest of the board members. That's my thought. I just don't I think we set a precedent and and and by stepping outside of our defined role for design Sure. 623 03:02:10.240 --> 03:02:25.359 >> Yeah. I think that um that our role as a board for design should speak up when we feel that the design is not adequate and unfortunately I don't think that you know due to the fact that there is not a partner with the city on that site. It's not going to 624 03:02:25.359 --> 03:02:41.680 planning and also it's not maybe having a private sector mindset to that project because it is absurd to have a beautiful eastfacing facade of a building 625 03:02:41.680 --> 03:02:57.120 and um put parking spaces along the whole entire facade >> instead of you know retail. I would make the comments a bit more general since uh nobody's here at since that item is being discussed in June specifically. I 626 03:02:57.120 --> 03:03:12.720 would just keep it more to the to the policy. >> Well, it's what I said last time regardless. So, uh but um I thought we were discussing it. But regardless, that's my thought and and if we're going to make a suggestion, I think that that should be part of the suggestion, which 627 03:03:12.720 --> 03:03:30.560 is what we what we brought up. And I asked if we could make that same suggestion the last meeting. And Myra, you're suggesting that these be individually >> if if it's an issue 628 03:03:30.560 --> 03:03:48.240 outside of our jurisdiction as a design review board. If we're talking if if our concern is an operational concern, I don't think that's our role here. Although sometimes we've taken it up as a role, but but it's not our role. So, we're stepping out of out of line with 629 03:03:48.240 --> 03:04:04.399 that. But if it concerns floor plan or, you know, which falls into what Andres is saying, or design, I I think that's within our role and as a board, we we can all send as a board a letter to the 630 03:04:04.399 --> 03:04:25.359 commission. But if I'm talking about operations and fees and uh um >> I think we're talking about floor plan. I think we're talking about and you and youth. >> Um I I could go either way whether they're 631 03:04:25.359 --> 03:04:40.800 individual or or is there more impact coming from us as a as a group? Um I think there are I got my own concerns with with the community center and I think every everybody else does. Um, but it comes to us baked. 632 03:04:40.800 --> 03:04:56.800 >> Yeah, that's the problem. >> It's well baked by the time it gets here >> and well thought out by the community and now this is what they're expecting and now here's the group of us saying we don't think this is what you need. 633 03:04:56.800 --> 03:05:12.560 >> Are we are we wasting our time just talking about it or or I don't know what has the impact but I I don't know. I feel like, you know, the the pools there was, like you said, a lot of community input and that was part of it, but the fact that there wasn't any private 634 03:05:12.560 --> 03:05:27.279 influence, I think made a made a difference in the design of everything. >> But we weren't here >> because sometimes these projects that are city projects, and I hate to say this, are communitydesigned. They're not designed 635 03:05:27.279 --> 03:05:45.120 all the time based on need and what the um requirements are for that area based on what else is around there to provide those requirements. You know, um 636 03:05:45.120 --> 03:06:04.080 it it's it's a community-based design, >> which is not always um the best. But to your point also that there was a community desire for an Olympic size pool. We're just taking that on that one sentence. We we weren't even involved in 637 03:06:04.080 --> 03:06:19.760 the process where we heard from the community >> to say, "Oh, this is this is why or this is why it makes sense." So, it is so disjointed. I could I agree with you completely that we're not only made to be the bad guys, we're wasting a lot of people's time >> and money and we're also not even given 638 03:06:19.760 --> 03:06:37.319 a full amount of information. So, >> okay, the community said it. that I don't know who the community was or if you know in the past we've questioned is it a a person from the building or the head of the board. I mean there is so much I agree that's not right in that process. 639 03:06:38.160 --> 03:06:55.760 >> They don't know what to do about it but >> it may have also it may have also gone before the parks and recreation board. We have no idea what their stance was on it >> if they, you know, I can tell you when the Scott rake our youth center ice rink was expanded. Um, the size was an issue 640 03:06:55.760 --> 03:07:11.600 that caused 98 community meetings. Postponed the project obviously because you have to have 98 community meetings because the decision wouldn't be made at the commission level as to what the final size of that ice skating rink 641 03:07:11.600 --> 03:07:30.720 would be. So >> with all that being said, there's no private developer in the world that would take an east wall and put parking spaces. >> So So back to our what we suggested last 642 03:07:30.720 --> 03:07:48.080 month was do we want to as a as a board submit something or do we want to do this individually? I think it's gonna I I I don't think it's gonna I don't think it's I don't think it's going to get traction because 643 03:07:48.080 --> 03:08:03.520 I don't think at the end of the day that they're gonna they're going to delay the project to make a modification. But I think that the message should be sent that there should be more attention to detail in these design elements that I think were 644 03:08:03.520 --> 03:08:19.359 missed in this project. >> Design operational elements. I mean the whole nine yards >> by by not just the community but um I don't know how to >> um you know the 645 03:08:19.359 --> 03:08:34.800 >> there's a lot of swaying of of votes and thoughts. So if the DRB would like to make a general recommendation not as to the community center project that future city public private projects 646 03:08:34.800 --> 03:08:51.920 >> receive additional advisory review by the planning board. Um I I'm not sure where the the design review um like where that where your purview is there, but but that's potentially something that that staff can work on 647 03:08:51.920 --> 03:09:09.760 and bring back. But if it's a recommendation um on this particular application, then that should that should be held off on until next month. >> I I agree. And look, this is more of a holistic thing. I think it isn't just um 648 03:09:09.760 --> 03:09:26.000 a private partnership or a government project, but it's the fact that what should the process be to determine that this um area needs this like a 649 03:09:26.000 --> 03:09:42.160 youth center and what should that use center have? Who should it go to? parks and recreation board, planning board, the administration should be the first ones to come up with a recommendation as to what they need and then it should always go to the community as well. 650 03:09:42.160 --> 03:09:56.960 >> I think like maybe after we get community input, it seems like there's a disconnect between, okay, we want all of these things, but how does that translate to the site? Like is the site able to adequately and in a good way 651 03:09:56.960 --> 03:10:12.560 support the site? So maybe there's that second level of overview and probably that's for the planning board or or parks and wreck to just kind of visualize how how that site can respond to those needs and maybe there needs to 652 03:10:12.560 --> 03:10:28.800 be I I don't know if that's more the direction we go or recommend. >> Why isn't planning involved just because it's a city project >> the GU? So it's it's the GU district regulations only requires planning board 653 03:10:28.800 --> 03:10:43.439 review when it's related to a public private partnership on public land on a commercial lot. Um so let's say you're in the CD2 district across the street that would require that any development over 50,000 square feet gross square 654 03:10:43.439 --> 03:10:59.840 feet go to the planning board. Um in the TCC district it requires if you have a use that exceeds 25,000 square feet that has to go to the planning board. So actually the only project in the town center urban core district that went to the planning board is the project that has a uh it's intended to have a some 655 03:10:59.840 --> 03:11:16.319 sort of a grocery store big box store in the ground level um on on 71st and between um Abbott and Carlile the rest of the projects are approved administratively and I mean not administratively approved by the design review board in the town. Um so that's that's when they have to go to the planning board. So the code sets 656 03:11:16.319 --> 03:11:33.120 different thresholds for when something requires planning board approval uh and depends on the zoning district and so in the case of the zoning district which is the government use zoning district it's only when there's a public private partnership >> so it bypassed planning because of that 657 03:11:33.120 --> 03:11:47.680 >> right >> and then it's so >> so the floor plans weren't reviewed by by all parties >> and we basically are building two pools one for recreation and one for Miami Beach Senior Hi, 658 03:11:47.680 --> 03:12:02.240 something. We have a poll at Flamingo. We have a poll at Scott Reika. We have another poll on Normandy Drive, Normandy Park. >> I'm not for I'm not for spending time that people don't have, but it seems 659 03:12:02.240 --> 03:12:19.600 like would be good to have another set set of eyes of of people we trust going through plans for community >> buildings. So, Yeah, because otherwise they're responding to like a wish list of things and then it's not really 660 03:12:19.600 --> 03:12:35.600 >> set for the site maybe. >> And I got to tell you, the administration gets pulled in 100 directions and the community pushes to get what they want. Um whether it's and and the community really has to have 661 03:12:35.600 --> 03:12:52.560 involvement. That's where they live. But uh usually it's five or 10 that scream the loudest and and they push so hard you know that you know the administration sometimes says you know what the give it to them. >> Is that why planning is that why it's separated so that it's purely 662 03:12:52.560 --> 03:13:07.600 >> this this project specifically was part of the geo bond and there was a set of requirements that was put in place >> as part of the that voter approval. Um and so those what's there is >> and it was a package that went to voter approval. So, you couldn't say, "Well, I 663 03:13:07.600 --> 03:13:25.279 I vote for this project, but not this one." You know, it was a whole parks and recreation >> uh package that went through extensive um communication and community meetings. >> There was a board set up uh a geo bond 664 03:13:25.279 --> 03:13:42.920 advisory review board and they had a whole website with all the projects that were being funded. It's still up and it mentions the status of all the projects that are supposed to be built. Um, so there there was a there was a significant public process that happened before the project came to this board. 665 03:13:45.439 --> 03:14:04.000 >> Okay. Do we want to suggest that >> I think the suggestion that it go to planning that government um projects go to planning? How do you all feel planning board? How do you all feel about that? >> Tell us what to do. >> Yeah. Well, I see that as as a primarily 666 03:14:04.000 --> 03:14:21.600 an operational or perhaps a policy decision that is not um uh not a design review issue that is really for you. Uh 667 03:14:21.600 --> 03:14:38.319 >> but I see it >> because the design review you already you already have the ability to review the design of the of all these projects. Um but not necessarily to to reconsider um policy judgments of the city commission as they 668 03:14:38.319 --> 03:14:54.560 relate to approved projects or uh things of that nature. So I I just I'm not sure if that would be >> does it happen enough that we get feedback from the public at this meeting that 669 03:14:54.560 --> 03:15:10.640 um you know like things that we can't decide on. I guess like is is maybe that's that's how we can make this recommendation. Right? We're getting a lot of feedback from the public of XYZ. They're unhappy with these things but they're outside of our jurisdiction. So 670 03:15:10.640 --> 03:15:26.720 like shouldn't there be another level? Okay. So maybe then we if we're not getting that maybe maybe it's not the >> concern. I I mean we get community coming forward like we did today with the West Avenue project and um 671 03:15:26.720 --> 03:15:41.279 you know they're just saying oh I'm in favor of it. I'm in favor of it. And and a lot of it I don't know is it is it the result of the mailer that they get? I don't think so because there were people here from um 672 03:15:41.279 --> 03:15:58.160 >> that yeah from you know blocks blocks away. So they are contacted by the developer or the project um not the developer but the presenter for the project the Burkow group or whoever it may be um to come and speak on behalf of 673 03:15:58.160 --> 03:16:15.920 the project. Um they obviously don't ask them to come and speak if you're not in be in favor of the project. So, um, that's what we get. You know, every once in a while someone will be concerned and 674 03:16:15.920 --> 03:16:34.160 they'll speak. And I guess, as Justin said, we could scrutinize the floor plans of something if we really felt like we wanted to on a on a project like a community center. Right. >> I don't know. Does the floor plan 675 03:16:34.160 --> 03:16:50.479 >> Does the floor plan is that part of our jurisdiction? The problem is they've spent >> a lot of dollars with the architect. >> I tend to not try to get into that of variance, but you know, I I'm my mind's going that that way like, oh, Andres is 676 03:16:50.479 --> 03:17:06.479 talking about the the east facing, right? So, it's like, okay, could >> could that have been put somewhere else? Could that been another room? Could they use it? like what's their what's their 10-year plan for the whole parking garage? Um, and then we hold it up and 677 03:17:06.479 --> 03:17:23.439 we say come back to us with that, right? It's like what do we want to get into that circle? I don't know. >> I guess the concern here is that they were just they're here for a modification. So, the project was approved in its entirety. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> At a at a prior meeting. So I think for 678 03:17:23.439 --> 03:17:40.239 a modification the purview should be limited to what was noticed which are those specific >> uh modifications. >> That's that's why I try to >> look on the outside. >> So if it was the first time around I would say by all means comment >> comment at this point by the time they 679 03:17:40.239 --> 03:17:56.880 come here. >> Right. So that's what I was kind of getting at before like if we were getting a lot of feedback from the public that was like we're unhappy with it which I guess we're not then like really do we have a problem here? It came to us >> last year, right? Before even I was 680 03:17:56.880 --> 03:18:13.120 here, I think, right? >> Yeah. >> I think it was shortly before you started. Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, we have to make sure we >> And there were some I don't remember all the concerns that were raised, but there were concerns raised at that point. >> I don't know if concerns of the parking 681 03:18:13.120 --> 03:18:29.200 were an issue. I remember telling them, you have to underground utilities. You've got this cable going across Harding Avenue. um you know we look like a decade of uh carousel of progress from Disney you know 682 03:18:29.200 --> 03:18:44.640 um and they said oh it's too hard well yeah nothing worthwhile is easily attained um but they you know didn't bother doing it >> some of these projects come to us and they're in somewhat of a schematic 683 03:18:44.640 --> 03:19:02.399 design right or I mean I don't I wasn't there I can't remember but if you're saying if they're coming to us in that level, then we can make layout suggestions on on a scale like that. Then >> they haven't gone through construction documents when they're when they're 684 03:19:02.399 --> 03:19:19.040 >> the reason they started their construction documents and that's when they found all of these things that they wanted to change. So they've already started the process of preparing their >> design first meeting probably what I >> think it was 30 35% the mass >> well yes at the first meeting when they 685 03:19:19.040 --> 03:19:35.120 just came to design >> the tower today is probably not in the construction documents it was looked >> well the applicant come in whenever they want we don't have any limitation >> they want us to come in the earlier >> earlier that's right it's 686 03:19:35.120 --> 03:19:51.520 >> typically typically they come in um just when they have the architectural design drawing. So they don't have any structure, mechanical, electrical done. >> Yeah. >> And so that's when they and so for the community center they started working on the structural stuff and that's when they realized some of these components 687 03:19:51.520 --> 03:20:06.560 we need to change them and so they came back to to modify those design elements. >> Um >> but it was the first time they were here. >> The first time they were here it would have been very that's the that's the point. >> That would have been the time. >> Yeah. >> Because it was just schematics. It was just design, 688 03:20:06.560 --> 03:20:22.160 >> right? >> Something to keep keep in mind for sure. >> Um, so we are agreeing to just personally reach out 689 03:20:22.160 --> 03:20:40.080 >> reach out. >> Okay. Even though I think planning should be involved. >> Yeah. >> That may be what matters. >> And you copy all of us and then we say we are in agreement with Adam. So is sorry just when you say to personally reach out is that each of us should take 690 03:20:40.080 --> 03:20:55.439 the time to personally reach out. >> No, you sent a letter to the mayor and commissioner saying I'm a member of design review board. >> This has be been an issue. This is our recommendation. >> Okay. Is there >> and you copy all of us and then the rest of us chime in if we want. >> I don't think I don't think you should 691 03:20:55.439 --> 03:21:11.760 be sharing. No. >> It's a public document. >> Yeah. But you're having communications outside of >> Yeah. You can't communicate with each other on that. >> It's a public document. >> So once you send it in a board, >> it's going to the commission and they 692 03:21:11.760 --> 03:21:25.359 have to, you know, >> and I I also wouldn't send it on in your capacity as a member of the design just as a person. >> I you know, if if you want to personally and not in your capacity here, 693 03:21:25.359 --> 03:21:43.200 >> uh uh petition your government for >> changes to the code then you you can do that but but definitely don't copy members of the design review board in it or or >> yeah sign it as Adam Meshber chair you 694 03:21:43.200 --> 03:22:00.880 know so >> Adamber resident >> okay all right so I guess we can con it's still going to come back before you next month the whole project so >> um we'll see the color schemes and see what >> nothing's going to change >> what we what we what we suggest suggest 695 03:22:00.880 --> 03:22:16.399 it. I don't either. But >> I think what's important is when something comes to us in its in its initial infancy, >> we need to not not assume it's baked. We need to say, "All right, this is our point. This is our >> our time." 696 03:22:16.399 --> 03:22:30.880 >> I personally raised my hand not as a board member here. I wasn't a board member to many people when I saw the original design. But um you know it's hard to change administration's thought process when they're on the horse and they want to move forward you know as 697 03:22:30.880 --> 03:22:49.040 fast as possible is what I've seen. But I think we we we were we're given we're given a right so as a board and so if we if it's in that stage I feel like that's when we can really weigh in and we can try and see what they make. 698 03:22:49.040 --> 03:23:04.880 Sometimes they might come back and say, "Oh, well, as of right, we can do this and we're not going to listen to you guys and blah blah blah." Right? But we can at least speak our mind. Okay. So, we'll we'll conclude that discussion 699 03:23:04.880 --> 03:23:22.560 um and then the project will be back before the board next month. Um and that's we have no further business. >> Next meeting is >> June 11th. >> June 11th. >> June 11th. All right. Roelio, would you send us that um motion 700 03:23:22.560 --> 03:23:37.680 once it's baked and and sent over regarding the roof recommendation? >> Yeah, I'll I'll send a copy of the LTC. >> And if you could send us also uh that request whether we like digital or we want the printed version to everybody, it'll be great. 701 03:23:37.680 --> 03:23:59.920 >> You want to not kill any more trees with a big package. >> I just I I hate throwing it away, but that's what I do. All right. Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. All right. >> I can I can I can I can second. >> Yeah. I can't make a motion, right? 702 03:23:59.920 --> 03:24:06.920 >> I can't. >> You're not allowed to second motion? >> No, I'm not allowed to second. >> Oh, wow.