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Please stand by. We are going on air in 5 4 3 2 1. >> Good morning and welcome to the December 11th meeting of the design review board of the city of Miami Beach. I apologize for the late start. Uh we have a good uh
full agenda today and I'm looking forward to getting started. Um let's begin with attendance. All right, good morning everybody. I'm going to do a roll call. Uh, Miss Bhutakavoli >> here. >> Mr. Diffendiffer >> here. >> Miss Giller Nelson >> here.
>> Mr. Lester >> here. >> Miss Leuen >> here. >> Mr. Meshber >> here. >> Mr. Pis >> present. >> We have uh all seven members are present. We do have a quorum. >> Excellent. Are there any updates from the city attorney? >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning.
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proceeding is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Thank you. >> What about the approval of minutes? >> I move to pro to I move to approve the November 20th design review board
meeting minutes. >> Do you have a second? >> Second. Okay. Thank you. >> All those in favor? >> I >> I posted. Motion passes. >> Okay. Um I'm now going to move on to the consent agenda. Um there was actually a
request by the applicants to move some items off the consent agenda. Um I wanted to have that up for discussion. And I also uh was wondering if there were any other items that are not on the consent agenda that anybody wanted to
move to the consent agenda. and to to move stuff on and off, how to like what's the procedure? Do I just say these are not on it or these are? >> Um, if you would like to add an item to the consent agenda, we would need the applicant to confirm that they are okay
with the conditions in our draft order. >> Okay. >> Um, once we open the public hearing, we would announce the item and if uh nobody has any comments on it, then you can approve uh the item as part of consent >> agenda. So, is everybody okay with us? So the the the applicant that is
presenting the antennas wanted to have that be part of the discussion. Is everybody okay with moving that for a general discussion? There were I think it was four in particular that the applicant wanted to discuss and I thought we can just do them all at the
same time when we discuss it. Um I'm thinking that some are going to have a longer discussion than others. So, if everybody on the board is okay with that, we would then hear and the applicant is as well. You said we'd hear that after the 5900 Collins. >> Yes, that's where it would fall on the agenda.
>> Okay. So, do we need to take a vote on that? >> So, you would um vote to pull all of those items from consent if you'd like. >> Oh, you don't need to vote. Okay. >> You don't need to vote to pull from the consent agenda. >> Okay. Okay. So, I'm going to pull all of those or we're going to pull all those
from the consent agenda. I I'd like to make a recommendation to add to the consent agenda DRB251139600 Cleveland Road. >> Is the applicant here yet? >> Um we have Yes. One of the attorneys is
there. >> And do any members of the board This was the the application with it involved a wall. >> Let me if you don't mind let me read the title. Yeah. >> Um, so DRB25-1139, formerly known as DRB23-0925,600
Cleveland Road, an application uh for modification to a previous design review approval for the construction of a new two-story single family home that is currently under construction. Specifically, the applicant is requesting a variance of the maximum allowable height for a fence and wall in the front yard and waiverss related to
the fence in the sideyard facing a street. This is for the construction. This is an existing this is a oolite limestone wall that they there that was built a little bit above what you could allow by right. >> Okay. And to be clear we don't we if anybody does want to have a discussion
about this it doesn't have to be on the consent agenda. I was just suggesting it >> you know I think it has to be a unan everybody has to agree. >> So I don't know are would you are you okay with us moving it to the consent agenda?
>> Absolutely. >> Okay. I thought you'd be um >> I'm I'm in favor of that. Okay. Is anybody opposed? >> Are there any neighbors though that who might have to >> That's a good question. >> Do we get neighbors? Is that what you said? >> Yeah. If there's anybody who wanted to
discuss it, how do we >> once we decide what the consent agenda, what the final agenda is, we will open a public hearing for anybody that wants to discuss those items. >> Okay. I just think it needs to be announced so that people >> Okay. Very good point. Very good point. Um and then again proposing but I I also
thought that um which one was it that the um DRB25 1142 1000 South Point Drive which has to do with the changing of the sign might also be an item. Again, I'm just
proposing it. >> And the portico share was part of that. >> And the port share. Yes. >> Would you be okay with that? >> Yes, I would. >> Okay. I don't know. again any members of the board >> back to neighbors if there's any issues I would want to make sure yeah
>> okay and I mean we we can discuss it if you feel you know whatever you feel comfortable I mean >> it doesn't seem controversial but >> yeah yeah you never know >> um okay so do we vote individually or >> so we so um so I have a motion to add
DRB 24-1142 um which is 1000 South Point Drive That's an application has been filed requesting design review approval for modifications to the facade and exterior areas of an existing residential apartment building. Specifically, the applicant is requesting to renovate the facade, change signage, and provide a
new guard house. Um, and >> the guard house was not part of it. >> It's no, if I may, the guard house is being eliminated. >> So, it's being removed. >> Removed. Correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. then we probably should um discuss
the item. If you're going to be proposing recommendations to change it, >> I mean, you can keep it as is and we just won't permit and build it. That's also okay with me. Well, you know what I mean? I don't think it's going to be a very involved discussion, but you should probably follow the procedures. >> I think it would be best um because if
they get a building permit and it's doesn't match what was approved by the board, you you might run into issues and have to come back. >> Okay. Okay. >> Sorry. >> Okay. Okay. So, never mind on that one. >> So, then the motion is to add um 1600
Cleveland Road, which is DRB 251 1139. >> Okay. >> Um can we have a motion and a second? And that motion would be to pull all of the all of the items that are currently on consent off of the consent agenda. And then um well, you don't need a
motion for that. And then a motion to add 1600 Cleveland Road to the consent agenda. >> I'm sorry, but if there is a neighbor that is opposed or has anything to say in favor or against 1600 Cleveland Road,
>> we'll we'll open a public We'll open >> We'll open it again. Okay. I make a motion to include 1600 Cleveland Road, DRB25-1139 to the consent agenda. I'll second that. >> All right. All those in favor? >> I Any opposed?
>> Okay. So, that's the only item on the consent agenda. We should now open a public hearing. Um if anybody has any concerns about that item, then then it would again be pulled from the consent agenda. >> Um is there anybody online? >> So, is there anybody in the chamber or
online that would like to speak on that? Um, I do see Nick Rodriguez has his hand raised. Um, representing you. >> Yeah, he's with our firm, so we're representing the applicant. He just it was later on the agenda, so that's why he's not physically present.
>> Um, we do have a Jeremy C with a hand raised. >> Okay. >> So, we're gonna So, how does that work? The consent agenda is a new thing. So if now somebody wants to speak, >> does it then go to the regular agenda or
it just we're talking about it now? >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> Yes. If the if the member of the public who has his hand up would like to speak on 1600, um then I would recommend pulling it from the consent agenda. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Sorry.
>> I make a I make a motion that we >> Well, we don't we could let him speak before we decide if you don't mind. Just to >> just to confirm. >> To confirm. Jeremy C. >> Jeremy, before you start speaking, can I just swear you in?
>> Yes. Hi. How are you? My name is Jeremy Shimama. I'm the owner of 1141 um 71st Street. >> Jeremy, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I will. I am. I swear. >> Okay. Do you have any any comments on
this item uh that you would like for the board to consider? 1600 >> on 1600 >> just no it's it's about the my uh the petition is for DRB 25136 >> so maybe it's not that >> that's going to discuss separately
>> okay so I'm going to wait for for this plan to be speak for >> okay perfect um so then the rest uh so then the you can pass make a motion in a second to approve the consent agenda which will be just for that one item Okay.
>> Okay. So, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda solely with the item DRB 251139600 Cleveland Road? >> Motion to approve the change. >> Yeah. >> I had one question. >> Oh, >> I had a question about the That's all the polls.
>> Oh, yeah. We're going to talk about that later. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we're just approving. >> It's just 1600 Cleveland Road. >> Okay. I'm good with that. >> Okay. Does everybody you Okay. Can you make a motion? Is there a second? >> Second. Okay, great.
>> The motion I apologize who made the motion. >> I Okay. >> All right. All those in favor? >> I >> I opposed. >> Motion passes. >> Okay. >> Okay. Now moving on to um
DRB 251100 requested for a continuence 28 Venetian Way. Um this the city's still working on the plan so they've they've requested some additional. >> Okay. >> I'll make a motion >> to postpone. So they want till next
month. Till January. >> Yes. >> Till January meeting. >> Which one are we postponing? I'm sorry. >> Venian 20 Venetian way. It's like a pump station. >> It's not even It's not even a It's not part of the packet because they wanted a
continuence. So, it's not part of the agenda at all right now. >> Here it is. It's number 11. >> Oh, okay. I make a motion. Did you >> I made a motion. >> You did second. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> I >> I.
>> Any opposed? Motion passes. >> Okay. Uh, and now we're moving on to continued items. DRB25-10886945 Abbott Avenue. >> We I apologize, Madam Chair. You did have another request for a continuence. Oh yes, >> that was uh the Apogee. That's 800
>> South Point Drive. >> Okay. >> Um if anybody would like to make a motion to continue that to the January meeting. What is the date of the >> January 8th >> January 8th, 2026 meeting? >> I make a motion that we continue DRB25-1141800 South Point Drive to January. >> Sorry.
>> Can we do can we uh continue to February? actually >> that we continue to February of 2026 DRB >> February 12th. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. Uh we have a motion by Miss Pakaholi, second by Miss Leuen. All
those in favor? >> I motion passes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Now moving on to our continued item DRB 2510886945 Abbott Avenue.
>> This application has been filed requesting design review approval for the construction of a new six-story mixeduse hotel building including a variance to remove the requirement for a designated loading space including one or more waiverss. >> Okay, so this is an item that was
previously discussed at the October meeting. It has since been continued. Um um the DRB did have some concerns uh particularly related to parking and loading. Um and uh additionally the DRB wanted some additional information on
the metal panels and the texture. Um, so the applicant has provided updated plans which include updated renderings with larger photos, updated elevations, updated photos with current conditions, details on the location of cafe furniture, updated color elevations, additional facade perspectives, um, and
then revised passenger loading details. There have been several meetings uh between the applicant and the transportation department and the parking department. Um, you have before you a memo from the transportation department. The transportation department has requested that two
conditions be added to the board order. Um, I'm going to read those into the record. The first is that all delivery, loading, and pickup drop off operations must utilize designated loading areas and may not obstruct the public right of way at any time. And two, the applicant shall coordinate with the city of Miami
Beach Transportation and Mobility Department to implement an acceptable transportation demand management implementation plan per the TDM strategies outlined in the most recent traffic impact analysis dated Janu dated June 19th, 2025 prior to the issuance of a building permit.
Um the the project one of one of the concerns was the lack of parking on the site. the code does not require uh parking for the uses that are proposed on the site which is a hotel um and the retail um in this area. So in other areas of the city it would be required
but in the town center um primarily residential uses are the ones that are required to provide uh parking and most of the residential projects in the area are providing all of the required parking that they need. Um the the so that's that's a requirement
of the code. So that the the the city could not mandate that they provide parking when the code does not in fact require it. Um however they do have a plan um that the city is working with them on on how uh applicants how uh uh guests of the hotel will be able to get
dropped off at the loading spot in front of the hotel. So that will be made available to the hotel. Um and then that will be also utilized for any loading that the building requires as well. Um so with that um staff recommends that the application be approved subject to the conditions in the draft order.
>> Thank you very much. Thanks again. >> Good morning madam chair, members of the board. Miriam Solar Ramos with offices at 701 Bickl Avenue on behalf of the applicant. Uh thank you so much for taking time to meet with us today. As um Roelio mentioned, uh this was uh before you in October uh and we took a deferral
to work with city staff. And so we're back today hopefully addressing some of your concerns and ready to listen to design uh comments uh so that um if necessary, the architects can go back uh if there's other things that need to be corrected otherwise to show you some of
the items that you requested last time that perhaps will quail the concerns about design. Uh so with that I'll get started with the presentation. Uh the address is 6945 Abbott Avenue and it is located in the TCC.
That is important because there's a series of different um things that are allowed and disallowed in that area. They're probably different from other areas of the city. Uh so it's a 48 the proposal is for the 48 room uh hotel with 11,000 um more or less square ft of
ground floor uh commercial which is expected to be a cafe to activate the street. Uh and then a variance request today as we will talk about in a minute exist a passenger loading zone that's been there today. It's a currently existing condition, but because um it
was basically u it was um part of the old uh uh operating function of that hotel and was called uh legally non-conforming because we're bringing a new product, we have to come before you and request that you grant a continuence um a variance for that particular
loading space. Um and also the 70th Street pedestrian po which is actually required by the code. So, as I mentioned, the TCC zone, the North Beach Town Center, uh was adopted by the city commission with the goal of
focusing on five key areas. Um, compact walkable town center is the vision for the area. Elevated architectural and streetscape design, which we hope the project is bringing, fostering economic vitality through diverse uses, and
advancing sustainability uh measures. So, there was a process of course that went into this idea of the TCC. Um, back in 2015, um, the mayor and panel, the blue ribbon panel for North Beach to talk about what makes sense, how to revitalize that area and make it into a
pedestrian-friendly walkable street. Um, as a as a result of that, there was a resolution adopted in October of 2016. Uh and ultimately in November of 2017, an item was taken to the voters that related to um this vision for this area
and it did in fact passed by 58%. Uh during the community engagement process which included a design cheret uh a a master plan was produced for this area which ultimately led to the north beach master plan which includes focus
on bikes, pedestrian transit recommendations and development regulations and design guidelines and sustainability matrix for this street. This is the uh item that was taken to the voters uh for an increase in Ftown
center district. So ultimately in November of 2018, the city commission adopted this zoning category uh for this particular area and again it promotes the idea of compact pedestrian friendly highintensity uh
type uh area with mixed uses uh supporting pedestrianoriented development and um promoting physical activity alternative transportation. And so it is with that kind those kinds of glasses that we'd like you to look at this uh this project because really it builds on that idea of making this
street uh not you know not what it was historically something very different something innovative and of course it may not be what it looks like today because it is transitioning to what they want it to be and when I say they I mean um the elected officials of the city
years ago when this site started to be evaluated it was evaluated originally under the live local act which as you know, took a lot of um authority away from local governments um and essentially allowed some uh as of right uses. So, this site technically is a
live local act site. It could go to 235 ft. Um the proposed project is 67. Um 41 dwelling units versus 48 hotel units. Obviously, that's a complicated um uh analysis that goes into that. And then
um the intensity of the F could be 39,000 and we're at about 21,000. So this is just to show you the context. We certainly don't think that this is the appropriate thing to do there. Um but it is technically something like this could could pop up on that site uh thanks to
the state legislature. Uh but that's not what we're asking for. We're asking for um something that makes a lot more sense for the area and that is again consistent with the vision of the city commission. So this is the existing condition. And this is the hotel that's there. And importantly, you will see that there is a loading zone, the one that I mentioned before that currently
exists and works right outside of that building. Uh the neighborhood context again as as we're moving toward that idea uh of of the city commission and their policy uh shows already three projects that are kind of moving in that direction. They're actually bigger than the project
that we're proposing. And you'll see that they are uh in that that general vicinity. Uh this is the ground floor activation I mentioned earlier. Um it faces Abbott. Um it is all glass which you'll see in a minute. So the idea is for it to be pedestrian friendly. Call people in to
sit at that cafe uh take a zoom call uh meet a friend etc. And again leads to the walkability of the area. So these are revised renderings. Um this is the pedestrian p which you see the courtyard view and the northwest view.
Uh and again the PO is required by the city code. Uh so I think last time there was some discussion about whether we the PO was a good idea. We're we're we don't have much of a choice. We we have to pro provide it. Um so this is the idea that it would be
an enhanced streetscape. Um the removal of the white gate and barrier. U more eyes on the street. The glass enclosure as I said interacting with the public creating a more visually um appealing uh building. So, with that, I'm going to turn to the design team because you don't want me to
talk design so that you can have that conversation with our experts here about the the what you requested and what you'd like to see if it's different so that we can take that back. >> Hello. Good morning. Nice to see everybody again. So, today we brought
two things that you asked for last time. One of them was a sample of the cladding for this building. Um the description of the cladding was or is it's a powdercoated um bent metal surface that
it will be uh colored um alternatively to provide a gradient look. So and with perforations that are big enough to uh make it also uh semi-transparent. So um the the facade will alternate between
the concave and convex forms and will also alternate between the use of color to give you an effect like the one that you're seeing in the elevation. So the bottom will be mostly the orange uh panels. The upper part will be mostly
the light blue panels. The idea for the light blue again is that the that it blends into the sky so that the the scale of the building becomes a little bit uh uh camouflaged in the in the clouds so that as to to >> way better
>> um tune down the height of it which uh which we uh understand is uh is uh something that has been brought up in the past as well. Um the as you can see from the let me put the 3D print up. The three print shows the layering of that
facade. So that you see that the metal piece goes in the front, the black the glass balcony goes in the back, the balcony behind it, and then the the fenestration uh uh that then defines the inside outside uh boundary. So that that
was one of the that was one of the it's okay. We we we can put it back together. Hopefully the actual structure will be a lot more sound. >> We make it. No, I mean also it shows you we made it in pieces so that you can see
how the layering works. >> Um, so those were the two main things that we were asked to bring this time. Um, we understand that there's some concerns about the the the look of it, but we hope that instead of it being like a kind of imposing scary look, the material itself shows you that it's more
of a a transparent dialogue with it with it with nature around it with with light and with a multiple uh materials that you have on a facade. So, um, if you have any more questions, maybe Silia can run you through the fac
and any of the other parts. >> Yeah. any any sort of technical um um things that we had to do that um I believe last time you know things that you you have requested it's a bit uh against the code uh that was voted for
so uh we've maintained the footprint and and uh the quantity etc because we are within the code boundaries um for that if it's okay I'll run through the rest of the presentation and then of course happy we'd have discussion about design.
So um so quickly parking as uh Roelo mentioned at the beginning um parking is not required for this site um per the policy of the city commission again in line with the idea that it's a walkable area and that's what they're trying to promote. Regardless um there are uh there's plenty of parking um in the
available in the area. There's three public parking lots with approximately 112 spaces um a block from the project and five parking lots within with 176 spaces in the vicinity of the project. Um we also are happy to engage in a conversation uh with neighboring
properties that have excess parking um to have a remote parking agreement if um if the city would like us to do so. We've told them we're happy to do that. Um, and also as you'll see later, we are promoting uh employees coming on public transportation, providing them with passes and things like that. And again,
the idea is that this is a type of hotel where someone would essentially pull up in an Uber and then take advantage of walking the beautiful uh city of Miami Beach. Um, I do want to take a moment just to have the traffic engineer briefly enter the trip generation data
into the record with regard to parking. >> Hi. Uh good morning everyone. Um so uh related to the trip generation for the project u we mentioned this uh previously uh the project is expected to generate 19 uh trips during the AM peak hour and 26 trips during the PM peak
hour. So that's an average of one vehicle every 2 to 3 minutes during those highest demand periods. Um so we're not expecting this project to be a significant uh trip generator. And as Miriam had mentioned, uh we expect that most guests arriving and leaving the
hotel will utilize ride share given the fact that the hotel itself won't be providing parking and it's a more convenient uh mode of transportation for guests uh within Miami Beach. >> And again, as uh Roelo had mentioned, transportation staff has reviewed that
study and um we enjoy their recommendation of approval. Um so with that we'll move to the variances which are uh in your purview today. Um and essentially it's two variances but it's for the same purpose. It's to allow that loading passenger loading zone that currently exists to remain. The reason
it's true is because um technically you're supposed to um have it on site. So this is to have it offsite. And the second is because um this Abbott Avenue is a class B frontage which requires a variance to have a loading zone in uh before it. Also, as Roelio mentioned,
for commercial uh loading and unloading, uh we will be using one of the spaces available along the street that's shared by other projects so that it doesn't require two spaces in front of this building, but only one for passenger loading. Uh and um the transportation folks were explaining to us that what
typically happens is a lot of these hotels use the same vendors and so they'll come, you know, Cisco or whoever will come and unload to five or six different sites because they use um similar vendors. So that's the way that that works. Again, the existing condition
um is there and working well today. As I had mentioned a moment ago, uh these are um this uh the bicycle stu scooter storage is being provided to uh make it easier for folks not to use cars as well as the free bus passes for employees. Um and and I'll add to that what I said
previously is the um remote parking if uh if it becomes uh necessary. We're happy to to explore that. Um so uh we had last time an a question about whether um the loading could happen on site um having the cars kind of pull in
uh the au man maneuverability analysis was performed and it makes it impossible to do that without backing out into the rightway which could create a traffic hazard. So we did explore it but unfortunately it doesn't work. So finally as mentioned um staff has recommended approval with a series of
conditions which um we are fine with complying with of course and has made findings that um the project is in compliance with the design review criteria with the exception of the two variances of course um with the sea level rise and resiliency criteria except for the recycling plan which will
be submitted at the time of building permit with a practical difficulty and hardship criteria for the two uh variances and it's consistent with the future land use map and the city code. So with that, we'd um respectfully request uh an approval of both the
variants and the project. Um and of course our design team is here if you want to share additional design um concerns with us. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Are there any me other members of the public wishing to speak and chambers are online?
online we have uh Carlos Pasa >> and Madam Chair if I may do any board me before we hear from the public do any board members have any exparte communications to disclose since the last hearing >> I do I met with them on a Zoom meeting yesterday >> with the applicant >> with the applicant >> okay anyone else
>> I as well >> and I received a call from um one of the owners at 401 Blue and um spoke with the manager I believe at Prima Pasta. >> Thank you.
>> And I ref I referred it to Roelio to send them the information. >> Okay. Is there somebody online? >> Carlos PZA. Good morning, >> Carlos. Before you start speaking, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
>> I do. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, good morning. Um, I um I live at 41 Blue and we've had several meetings here internally and um have closely look
at what's being proposed and and I spoke at back in October. Um uh we remain strongly opposed to this project. Um we believe that uh it would pose um danger
to uh hotel guests um and neighbors um in terms of the how busy Abbert Avenue is and how um hotel guests are going to be dropped off and picked up. Um we we have uh a bus stop
without a dedicated line and a trolley stop right across street that is constantly blocking one of the lanes on AOT Avenue. Um we um we have um reached out to the
developers representative since October and um and uh we have not had any kind of compromise on on how to address our concerns. Um from the beginning we've
we've um um pushed or we we proposed that uh dedicated ingress and erress um uh be uh be uh designed within the project. We've been told that and and
you just said it that it doesn't fit um you know the building doesn't fit on the lot. So, um, you know, there there there really needs to be a way to, um, go in the building and go out the building for people to be
dropped off. Um, uh, another concern that we have is that the trash situation. Um, building design, the trash in the back of the building is going to have to be pulled out through the Pel and that's not permitted. I don't think that there's
been a redesign to that. Um and um as I understand it today, um there's been some uh traffic and transit uh talk with with the city. We would like to see that before any uh any approval is done on on
the variances that are being requested. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. And to clarify, you you live in the condominium that's across the street at the corner. Is that where your residences? >> Correct. We are. Yeah, we're we're um on
a we one of our um so so Abot is the east side in front of our building. We're about 50 feet away from where this hotel is being proposed >> on Abbot. C Adlet Avenue on Abid.
>> Okay. Thank you. So, how can Carlos and other members of the public see the report from the transportation department? >> It should be online. >> Okay. With the other materials. >> Yes. If you go to the uh City of Miami
Beach agenda website, which is www.miam beachfl.gov gov/c city-haul uh slc city-clerk/meings-and-aggendas. Um, and you'll see you can you can navigate to it from the main page uh the agendas and you'll see the design review
board agenda for December 11th. If you click that, you'll see all of the items uh for this application. >> Thank you. Uh any other members of the public wishing to speak? >> Um there are no other hands raised. Okay, I'm now closing the public portion, opening up to the board for
discussion. Who would like to Oh, did somebody Are you here? >> Oh, yeah. Sorry. I'm reopening the public portion. Please step up to the microphone. >> The microphone over there. Thank you. >> My name is Jano Vara. I live in a 6900
Bay Drive. Thank you for letting me share my opinion about the uh new project. I really like the idea of the uh to take something little old to get a a new and nice hotel. I think it's going to be
good for to create new jobs, new opportunity for the neighbors, not just for the people who work in the hotel, but for everybody who live in sorry about that in uh Miami Beach. I'm just here to support the uh the project. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. You make some good
points. Okay. Um are you all Good morning. My name Ricardo Suarez. I live in Norway village. I live a lot of years. Uh I think it's a good project with Miami is necessary. You live when
you work or you work when you live. You know, for for me it's a grand opportunity. Not only for me you know a lot of people live in the neighborhood have a opportunity for job so I'm using my car is only when I yeah go to long
distance so have my electric bicycle or to or trolley you know in the neighborhood so for me I don't have a problem with the traffic is perfect place for live and for world so I'm very
happy with this project for new it. But maybe I'm me and a lot of people have more opportunity for job. That's it. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Hi, my name is Alexis Santos. I also live in Miami Beach.
I attended a Zoom meeting regarding the Abbott Hotel project to learn more about it. Once I saw their plans and understood the vision, I agreed to come show my support. I see the beach as a place where people walk. The goal is to start getting people out of their cars. Projects like this help towards that
goal. And for the record, I think it's a design. I think the design is unique. And if the beach is known for one thing, it's that it's very unique. I support this. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Anybody else wishing to speak? Please
come forward. >> Good morning. My name is Lette Arango. I reside at the uh 6891 Bay Drive, apartment 105, Miami Beach 33141. Thank you for the opportunity to speak
today. On November 2018, the city council voted to renew parts of the city, including this neighborhood. We finally are starting to see some plans that are happening or supposed to happen. Please support this uh vision and pass the Abbott project. I approve
of it also myself. Thank you so much. >> Thank you very much. Anyone else? Okay, I'm now going to close the public portion. There's nobody online. No. Okay. Close the public portion. Open it up to the board for discussion. Who
would like to start? >> Want to start? >> I mean, I I will start. Um, I was I spoke to the applicant yesterday and it made me reflect on a lot of things um going on in the city. I know we're all super frustrated with traffic and I know
we're all super frustrated with um development in general and I have to say that I I initially was pretty opposed to this project because of the loading and stuff, but the reality is it's an existing hotel. Um I didn't love the
design. I like it better seeing it in person with the materials. I thought it was imposing and I thought it was kind of post I don't know MadMax looking but in person really it looks much better and much better on presentation. Um I think the frustration for me
particularly is this we're a design review board and here we are being tasked with a variance for a loading zone which I think should be planning or traffic. It should not be our purview. I just believe that. But it is. And we're dealing with a very imperfect system. I
think we're also I I don't know. I ran for a commission 10 years ago. And I didn't know North Beach very well. And I remember knocking on the doors back then and there's a very small group of people that are very anti-development, but for the most part, and thank you guys for coming today, people were begging for
some development up there. It was it just was the neglected part of our city for so long. And I know people are disillusioned with some of these bigger buildings that have gone up. So, I'm back to supporting. I spoke with the applicants. I have to say they're very um they're very capable. They were very
accommodating. I think they've tried as hard as they can to make this work in the most efficient way as possible. So, I got to say I I'm I'm supportive of this at this point. Um and again knowing uh workforce the opportunity for jobs and a smaller
project that is not going to have hundreds of workers coming every day. We're in a transition period between development and having dealt with our transportation issues and I think we have a big problem with that. But I'm encouraged. I mean I think the city is working on it. I think there's they're
more open to it. So that's why I'm I'm basically in support of this project at this point. I changed my mind. >> Thank you. Um, Akil, you also do you want to also report because you met with the applicant? >> Yes. Well, I was in support of the project from the beginning, but it's
only re been reinforced since I I've spoken with them and reviewed the land use map and plans as well. And um being a resident of North Beach, walking those streets every single day, I see how there is concern about traffic, but the
project that they presented, I don't think will impact it like it's been concerned. So, I think it will improve the neighborhood. So, I'm still in support of project. >> Thank you very much. >> Thanks. >> Anybody else? >> I will speak. Um, I was opposed to this
project when it first came to the commission. Um, I think it was in November. Um, and I still do not believe that it is the right project as designed for that area. I cannot be in favor of the two variances being requested to
remove uh the off- streetet parking loading requirement uh nor the second variance which is to allow two on street loading spaces and my reason for that are the following. Um there is a tremendous amount of traffic
on Abbott Avenue and as stated by one of the um residents that lives nearby. Uh you also have no uh loading and unloading for the bus stop or the trolley which then stops the lane of
traffic um that exists there. Now, um I understand that the traffic study delineates that there's 19 trips anticipated in the morning, 26 in the afternoon. Um but that's um already in
addition to the traffic that is experienced on Abbott and in that North Beach corridor 247. Um there is no excess parking on other buildings. Uh, in fact, 401 Blue, uh, I
know you approached them from what they told me and they are short of parking based on the number of units that they have in the building. Um, in addition to that, um, I know you
got some people to come in and and speak on behalf of the project. Uh, but three of those people speaking today um, live as close to the project as I do. Um, Bay Drive is across the bridge about several blocks away. Um, and there's two people
from Bay Drive and and you're still part of the city. You're still residents and you should state your opinion, but it it is a problem. The traffic that we have and the lack of parking and these two variances that are being requested, I
believe, will add uh to that parking and traffic problem. Um, I understand that this went to the voters. I was voting on that day. However, I do not believe and
I I can say I'm 99% sure that people voting did not realize the residents of Miami Beach that they were voting for buildings uh such as this and and others to not require on-site parking.
um an on-site loading or an on-site um arrival um and um departure of guests. Um they did not know that and I don't know if it would have been passed by 58%.
There was a big campaign to put to to revitalize North Beach as there needed to be. Um but I don't think we need to accommodate things that will not improve the area but will congest the area more.
Um there's another condition if you all as a board approve this um that I think needs to be added to this. The po is really uh you know we call it a po to make it sound sexy and and and all of
that but it's basically the entrance and exit for the loading dock of the building. Am I right in this? >> Uh I I do not believe so the loading is the trash container. >> That's what was said at the last meeting
about the trash. >> Um the trash is in in the rear of a building where it should be. um the once a day or once every few days, I don't know the logistics, it will be rolled out with a possibly a a golf cart.
>> Yeah. >> And brought out to the street. >> Okay. >> Um but the main purpose, if you could see, there's a cafe, there's uh an engaged area that is the majority part of the PO. >> Okay. So the garbage uh will be pulled
out to the street through the PO. >> Would you prefer it through a building? It's >> I'm just I'm just confirming it's through the PO. >> So my my condition would be if it is approved by the by this board that the
um property be responsible for maintaining at all times the cleanliness of that PO. This is something that is required by planning in some of the other projects that are residential where they have to maintain uh
artificial turf for example to be uh kept in good conditions at all times. So I think it's a valuable condition. I don't know if it's even a condition listed. I didn't read all of them. >> Yeah, the is not a public uh it's not belonging to the city as as of yet. It's
still part of the property. So it will have to be maintained as much as the rest of the property is. I understand and I think it needs to be a condition and there needs to be a uh a letter as planning sometimes requires a single family residence uh for maintenance of
artificial turf. We do have co-compliance um but sometimes as we've seen here um people get cited and they get cited and maybe 10 years later it goes uh still
undone. So that would be the condition that I would add. I understand the property is only 50 feet wide and therefore does not give you the uh radius to be able to do a driveway. Um does that 50 foot drive or or width of
the property include the width of the po? >> Yes, the po takes up uh 10 ft of the of the 60 foot. So our se it's a it's a setback. So we >> the property appraisal record shows that it's a 50 foot wide property. So if the
10- foot po the 10 foot wide po is included in 60 then I guess it's up beyond the it's in addition to the 50. >> I'm I'm being told it's actually 50 minus the 10 so it's 40. >> Okay. So it's 40. Yeah. So even worse
yet you don't you don't have the ability to to to do a driveway. >> Uh you'd have to back out. I understand that. Um, I just uh I don't see how this is going to benefit the neighborhood.
And I understand it may bring some jobs to the area, but it's also going to cause, if I weigh the the benefits and the disadvantages in my mind, it's going to cause more um hassle and uh problems
for the residents that are there now and that work in that area. Yeah, that's my opinion. >> Uh, I also wanted to ask you this. I I don't want >> you know what I wonder if it would be helpful to talk first because we seem to be talking a lot about like operational
logistics to maybe talk about that first and then talk about the design issues just as a way to organize and then we can come back and you can address some of the design concerns. >> I just wanted I just had a question. This is the front of the building and
you all passed a blue and yeah these holes here are this is this right? Okay. And what material this is going to be basically something like this. >> This is the material. This is the material. Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure.
>> Thank you. Um Adam, it seemed like you wanted to >> I have design questions so I'll wait till >> Me too. Okay. Um actually thank you. Um so and do you have >> okay please. >> Good morning. Um like my colleagues some
were for it and some were against it and I was against this project from the beginning. I cannot approve this in good conscience because of a parking issue, driving traffic that is already
there and that the fact that you want to do all these other changes to this and then now you're saying that you have remote parking somewhere else where it really isn't. How many I would would really like to know. It's like how many
employees are you really bringing Because at this point, what we're doing is creating chaos for the sake of Uber drivers because Uber drivers don't really care where they park. Number one, Uber drivers just
pull up and the first thing they do is ask to get dropped off anywhere. They don't we don't have we don't have restrictions for them. So this is more just a venting but I'm I'm a no a hard no on this one just for
parking design is would would be totally different but for parking situation and traffic modifications. No >> madam chair I just want to make a suggestion to guide the board's discussion because two members have raised the issue of the parking requirement. Um there is no on-site
parking requirement for this particular project >> and I know that completely that's already been said multiple times >> but the board is constrained to to apply uh to apply the law right to apply the code and um you know you can make obviously you can condition your your
vote on any number of things um but you are constrained by what the code allows for this particular use and for this particular district. So, if there's, you know, issues relating to to loading as it relates to your design criteria, that's one thing. Um, but the board cannot impose a parking requirement or
deny a project because it doesn't provide parking if the code does not require parking. >> I just I thank you and I understand that as well. I was referring to the two variances um that require approval of
this board. One is to remove the off- streetet loading um requirement and the second variance is to allow two on street loading spaces. >> That's right. And that is within your perview. >> So I understand that that the the
elections were held uh 10 years ago or so um and it passed um with no parking requirement in in certain properties of the of the um district. However, my only comment as to
parking was that I know for a fact that the majority of the people voting did not know that these projects were being um approved or put into the code without any parking requirement. That being
said, we don't have the right here as a board to change that. that can be discussed with the commission and the commission can take it up at their at you know if they wish if they feel it's a problem but I was referring for me to
the two variances being required because of the problems in the areas that exist. >> Yes. >> Should we be spending all of our energy talking about parking and logistics when it should be about design? >> Design. Well, and I also wonder too if having the additional loading zone is going to alleviate some of the travel
concerns. I wanted to ask um to sort of piggyback um I think that you know in an effort to find consensus and to help everybody all the stakeholders involved the community the residents the applicant move forward together. Let me ask you some questions.
you you talk a lot about and and I personally am very um you know positively persuaded by the members of the community that have spoken, my fellow board members that are supportive of this and the reasons why um and I do think that you know to make change you
need to lay the groundwork. you talk a lot in the presentation about different ways or or the importance of this being this project being part of this larger community vision and I'm wondering what the applicant is going to do to to help
achieve that. Um I know that so the question was that we asked before how many employees are going to be working at the hotel? >> I I've asked the question I don't know that we have an exact number >> looking because we have the operational plan with the plan. So I want to tell you so we're going to get you that
answer. >> Okay. Is there any sort of a a ballpark or we'll we'll get back to it. Um and then you know it was helpful to I'm seeing here I'm looking at the plan of the first floor that you know so what you're saying is you're trying to situate this within a larger context of
the city is promoting walkability pedestrian friendly and so I want to know more about what could be done to do that. Like I'm looking at the bike room. We heard a member of the public say, "I have an electric bike that I could take to work. Can you add a charging facility
in the bike room?" So if you do have employees that have that, it encourages that. >> They do that. >> They do. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We we have a bike room to encourage uh >> and for like electric >> electric we have um
>> uh the bus passes for the employees. But what I'm saying is, could you add to the bike room? I mean, I don't know how the technology works, you know, to make it charge. >> Just plug them into a regular socket. >> Now it's more than bikes. A lot of people are doing the scooters now. So, >> right. And so to make sure that in the bike room there is plenty of
electricity. I think that's an easy ask. I'm being told about approximately 20 employees. >> 20 employees. And then, you know, I I do think that the residents who spoke I do know that a huge part of the vision of the city is to create jobs. So, one of
the ways that we're looking to lower mitigate the traffic is to have jobs where people live. And this seems to be, you know, as people have spoken towards that. Are there any are you going to and I don't even know if this is something within our purview, but are you going to
commit to hiring Miami Beach residents or how are you how are you as a business, as an operation, and I don't know if you're even the people that are making these decisions. feel free to come up, you know, to encourage to be part of this vision of the city. >> So, Madam Chair, this is our owner's
representative. >> Hi, everybody. So, yes, I work with investors that really believe in this site and the town center community. We don't only have properties here in this town center but also in the RM1 where we try to do workforce housing because we
understand that this area with the town center is becoming a hotel um offices uses and around is middle class who will be the um employees employees sorry my spang English but we we would like to
employ people from Miami Beach because we know it's a lot of work force around in North Beach um North Bay Village again, but we we really would like to have Miami Beach especially so they can come walking with their scooters.
Actually, we have one employee now that lives like blocks away and she comes with the scooter. So that's our vision and what we always plan with this property and we know it's a small property and as she was saying we take a look at the live local act and we don't want to do that because it doesn't blend
with the I think with the vision of the city but this small project I think is nice and the idea is to bring job to bring a nice um landscape and be part of the PO the idea of the PO is to keep it
nice because it's going to be part of our property as well. So, we're going to share it. So, the idea is to keep it always clean. H because it's our image as well as a hotel. So, you can consider that. >> Do you have any idea of price point? >> The idea is to do Yeah. rooms from 350
up. Our vision is to have people that are going to work in the area, you know, that they are going to have Zoom calls in the cafe that they come to the convention center. Um we we have the operational plan with the hours you know
for the pool >> and it's a minimum of a AAA three diamond hotel or similar rating that's what our idea to have like a nice high-end hotel. I think that's more what the vision of the this area is becoming, you know.
>> And um really I'm wondering what other hotel like I'm thinking of the context of this. I know that a lot of the the projects that we've approved in the area are more condos. Are there other hotels on this block on 71st Street? >> There is a project where the Denny's is
that was approved that has a hotel component. Um I know the developer has been back and forth. Originally when it was approved it was going to be primarily a hotel. >> The one on Collins the Denny's >> where the Denny's is. It's Collins between 71st and 72nd the north half of the block. Um that was that's the so far
the only hotel project. >> And there wasn't there another one on I guess I forget the street that's adjacent to it. Maybe it's Carile or Byron that was it was a short-term lease. >> It's um it's co-l livingiving which are the the small apartment units. It could
be used for residential, but um as as you know, state law preempts us from from regulating short-term rentals. So, they do have the right to have short-term >> and that's on the adjacent that's the next street over. >> That's the next street over. Yeah. >> Um it's on Carlile and 72nd, >> right? Yeah.
>> Oh, no. I'm thinking south of 71st. >> South of behind the >> across the street from this project. Um actually, I apologize. They were originally approved as co-living. They are switching. They are likely going to have a hotel component as well. >> So, and that's on Byron.
>> Um, no, right on Abbott across the street. >> Oh, so now there's going to be another hotel across the street. >> And does that project have on-site um um loading and unloading or it does? So, it doesn't go onto the street.
>> Correct. and the parking uh study that was done, I think the gentleman spoke as to it, the 19 a.m. trips that it generates and the 26 p.m. trips that it generates, does that include the trips
from the 40 employees that you're anticipating? >> Yes, it does. >> Okay. >> 20 employees. Okay. I'm sorry. Are we allowed to put a condition that 50% of employees must be from within?
>> No. Earlier. >> Yeah. No, I mean that's the there's a lot of faith of >> compromise. You know, can you come and speak to Sorry, it needs to be on record. >> Well, what's happened? >> You can have our compromise as a development group because we want people
again employers employees to come with a bike, not to come driving and you know, then they're late. everything can happen. So the idea is to grow as a city with Miami Beach. >> Yeah, >> I know it's we cannot put it in writing but we we are going to do it. That's
what we want to >> as a development group. >> Okay, so um thank you. I think are there any other concerns logistically, Laura? >> Um I just had a one question. This has probably been answered but um the loading zone is that going to be exclusive to the project or
>> Yes. And and I actually wanted to make a correction. It's not two spaces anymore. We were originally requesting two. Um the city as transportation department explained that along that street they have like shared commercial loading and loading. So we will be using that shared space to not create an additional space
and we're only asking for one space in the variance. Even though it's two variances from the code, it's only one space for passenger loading and unloading. >> And so is that directly in front of the property? >> Yes. And it's the same exact condition that exists and works well today. So
right, so just to clarify, right in front of the property right now, you have a loading zone that's dedicated to the property, but only one. And this shared space, is it next to it? So effectively, there's two. >> So we're asking for the condition. >> No, no, no. I'm saying in general, you'd
said that on the block there's shared loading zone spaces. Are those >> in front of your or they're further down the block? >> No, they're down the block. They're in different spaces because they're shared by various different properties. That's the idea. It's like a communal commercial loading and unloading. >> And the loading spot that no that is
currently in front of the uh I think it's a four apartment building that's there now. >> In front of the apartment. No, it's a hotel apartment. >> The current building is uh four four >> 11 units. >> 11 units. Okay. >> We have Yeah. 11 units. >> So the currently there's one um loading
dock on the street. >> Yes. And it is only it's it's on public rightway, but it is specifically for >> this building right now. It is not. So it says it's only can use it.
>> Can you bring up the photo from the presentation? Um it's on page 19. >> Wait, go back. 19. >> Do you Do you know if the property currently pays for that loading spot? No. So that loading spot can be utilized by anyone on the street.
>> Yes. >> Yes. It's not dedicated to this uh 11 unit building. It's just exists there. And um there's a curb cut there. Um and then you have one or two areas in front
of the current building for loading or parking or just one. Once you remove the curb cut, you feel you can have >> two spots. >> It'll still be one. We're only requesting one. >> And then how do you deal with garbage?
Just all of those, you know, right now does just park in the loading zone. >> Yes, they garbage truck. >> And the same with with people when they do the drop off and pick up, >> right? It's just going to be a lot more because it's going to be a larger density.
>> Yes. A little. Yeah. And one one thing I'd maybe suggest and I realize you know we can't condition employees and things like that but my going back to the October meeting I mean I didn't have an issue with the parking but I was slightly concerned with the
drop off given it's a hotel. Um maybe you have an employee at the in these high times like dedicated to helping people get their luggage out of the Uber move this efficiently you know as possible. Yeah. Usually this type of hotel have one person is kind of a
concarch that helps with the luggage and the people you know to carry the luggage to the room. So >> okay them off the street I think paying like upwards of $300 for a hotel. I'd want that. >> Um but that's just another suggestion
while we were on the top 100% employees. And then could it be that there are two dedicated spots or am I going down? Am I creating more problems than the >> to facilitate the in-n-out or do we not want to lose the parking spot? >> The in the meetings with the parking
department, they had concerns over providing two spots. They were more comfortable with just one at this time. >> Uh because they wanted them available for for other things and for parking for for people staying in the area, people that live in the area. Um so they wanted those spaces. So, the second spot will
be a parking spot for whoever comes first. >> Yeah. There's only one spot, right? There's just one spot that we're talking about. >> Yeah. >> Right. It's a regular street. >> There will be one parking spot and one loading spot. >> No, no, there's just the one loading spot and then of course there's paid
parking on the street that exists regardless, but there's just one spot we're requesting. >> I understand. But after the project is done, there will be a loading spot in front of the building. >> No. And then the parking department or transportation is saying that the second
area be a regular parking, >> right? >> Yes. That's what exists now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. You're not changing anything. The street will look the same. >> Just like is all down Collins Avenue and Ocean Drive. Let's be real for a minute. >> I mean, >> um,
>> okay. Do we Is anybody have any other Should we move on to design concerns? I mean, we can always come back. I don't want to restrict >> a question. Why is there a variance if there's no change in the use of this? >> Because yeah, >> it was a legally non-conforming use and when you re revitalize the property,
then we can't grab onto that use and bring it with us. We have to >> It's not grandfathered in when you >> I wish that were not the case, but >> Okay. Um I'd like to make if you know I'm I'm going to start maybe with some comments regarding the design. Um
so thank you for bringing in a sample. I will say and I think part of the issue too is that your renderings didn't really do justice explaining what the design is. Um I have a question. Can do do you do you want us to pass the model over? You can see it. Okay. It's a
little bit delicate. Do you want to see? Okay. Um I So I wasn't here for the discussion in October and and I did watch reporting online but I know we didn't delve as much into design concerns. So, can you tell us a little
bit more about this this wrap? And the thing that I I I keep going back to the fact that this is a hotel and if I were to come to Miami Beach, I want to see beautiful Miami Beach. And as this is designed, it seems like it oludes a lot
of these views. So, I was just wondering why, like what what's the concept behind wrapping the building in this aluminum? >> Um, okay. So, the first the first uh there's a couple of issues going on with why why it's this way. Um, one of them
is, um, obviously to give it a, and this is the the simpler one to explain without the direct question, but to give it a little bit of an identity, to give a little bit of a of a slightly different reading of what buildings can do in Miami Beach, which is known for its diversity, right? So, we're talking
about a building that is uh that has uh multiple stories. And we we liked the idea of adding a bit of a a bit of color and a little bit of again one color that would blend into the sky. The other one would pop up a little bit. Um the the
idea with with creating a a filter. That's what it would be like. So it's something that lets light in that gives you privacy but still allows the natural natural light to go through. Um we we see that the surroundings currently are
very exposed as well. uh meaning that this would also give uh provide a little bit of of of sustainability issues so that the sun doesn't hit the the glass directly. So it would be a little bit like a like a like a way to promote uh you know like a
sustainable architecture and again and privacy meaning you have balconies stuck next to each other. Each one has their own uh private balcony so to speak. So we I mean we tend to see that a lot of times things get are overexposed. A lot
of times people put plants in renders and they never happen. Uh so then you end up with the same generic building over and over again uh reverting back to that and uh that's something that we were trying to kind of like walk a little bit away from >> propose something a little bit different. And then in terms of the
color and again because the rendering isn't really it's it at the top it's going to be this color and then it's gonna have a gradient until you get to the orange. >> Exactly. And the bottom as you can see in the past renders there's more like the oolides like the the natural stone.
So it's the warmer colors in the bottom and the sky at the top. >> Okay. And a natural gradient. And that's also what the the the north face the north elevation that's painted. It's going to be the same idea. >> The same idea. And because we're up against a party line and in the future
that lot could be developed right up against the party line. We would love to be able to open that up too, but unfortunately we cannot. So, >> right, >> maybe it would be easier to put up the screen of the front of the building as we discuss the design. >> Yeah, it's 14.
>> Slide 14. >> Yeah, >> that's the back. I mean, >> that's the back. Yeah, there's the front. Would you say that this is the best representation you have of the full facade of the building? >> It's the idea. It's the concept. I I think that the the we can, you know, we
can we can we could provide a a super photorealistic render of what what the ultimate result of this would be now that we all understand it a little bit better. >> Yeah. What we what we require. So, let me ask you another question, too, because one of the things that it was hard for me to understand, and maybe
it's because, as we see in this model, the panels seem to be so they're curving, right? >> There's a variation. The one thing that I didn't I wasn't quite sure about was the rhythm of these punctuated rectangles where it didn't I
think maybe that that's part of why it it it seems a little bit arbit I I can't quite get the rhythm down and it's not feeling >> the glass behind it or the panels themselves >> just how you've decided or where you've decided to puncture >> oh okay the windows you mean the pattern
that gets >> the pattern >> okay um it's a simple half tone pattern that I mean this is a piece like a >> No, I don't mean the pattern of the aluminum. I mean the pattern with which you've added the windows. They just see >> the openings. >> Oh, the openings. Okay. The glazing. So
basically they're are they're the product of making the room laying it out and making it functional because you know you have a basic >> because it's not quite regular, >> right? >> But it's not quite irregular. So I mean that that that's another I think it's a good point like let's say for example I
mean for the sake of of discussion that we >> we create a different color in that in the wall that has the windows right that would be say the same color than the moldings of the windows where any solid wall would become part of a a thin strip
that instead of having the the verticals that join that seem to join or divide the windows that would look like one continuous strip. Is that something that would, for example, make more sense? >> I don't. >> Sarah, are you talking about the the window apertures or the or the or the
aperture of the screening? >> No, the windows. >> Okay. Because I have I have I just want to jump on into that. >> Yeah. >> I find that that there is no rhythm with with the facade, the perforation. So, what I see here is a standardized circle
pattern on a a regular undulating skin that I have no idea how it's mounted to the to the slab edge or anything like that, how it's capped or anything. I find that page 12 is is a little better of a representation in my mind. Um,
which is like kind of shows me a little bit more detail. The renderings are not really portraying this skin what it is. it the precedents are parking garages. I think we need to try to move away from that and give this movement and rhythm
and I don't know why we can't see a differentiation in aperture size within the skin sizes of the holes that that are in relationship to where you want light and visibility from the inside and
the outside that then we can look at this study at nighttime. what this is going to look completely different. We have no views of what this looks like at night. How is this lit up? This is a this is a powerful material that again the only precedent we see is
>> but that's not going to look like that. It's totally lit up. >> So you want variation perforation sizes. So >> I I think that there's there's like there could be rhythm here and there can be movement and if the undulation is exactly the same all the way around and it doesn't like flatten out around in
certain places and that could be a cost reason. I don't want to say you know have eight typologies. >> No, I mean that's music to my ear. So thank you. But but per perforation size would start to give this movement and interest >> like a wave
>> with the actual >> I think part window or or is it a balcony cuz in the courtyard view it looks like >> I'm not sure if it's a window or a slider >> that goes in. >> It's a balcony. >> It's a balcony.
>> So there's a balcony and a window behind it. But the it's not a window behind. It's a slider. >> Yes. Right. So, these are good. >> It seems like the concern too is that we're not quite sure with the the images that you've provided. I I think what is
we're not quite sure what we're getting here. >> Yeah. And I and the piece looks like a bent piece of aluminum that we put holes in. It looks little smells a little spray painty like it's not exactly it. Um I'd like to know the standoff. I'd like to I'd like to see
>> a better rendering photo realistic. I'd like to see it at two times of the day and I'd like to see something with an exercise of >> different per this is maybe just personal different different aperture size that that gives the project more a
little bit more movement and maybe each sar to what you're saying I don't know if this is what you're saying but maybe each opening within window cutout is not exactly a translation of what's behind the building which is regular maybe you can play with the the sizes so that
again there's you're taking an organic shape and putting out orthagonal holes into it >> and you you've got the ability to to give this movement and I don't know I think that you can enhance that this
project will get even better >> might cost a little bit more but you'll probably be happier with the end product I'm sorry but it's again this is a this is a 50% opening skin that we would you that's regular regulated for parking >> for sure,
>> not for a hotel that people want to be inside. And so when they're sitting in, they're only seeing >> big bullet holes right where where they are. And there's gl you're paying for glass railing, too. And so I don't know, there's I think there could be another exercise. And I I think we've talked a
lot about loading. And I I don't I'm not even going to start with that because I think my my colleagues here have spoken enough, but I I think the design and what we're here for, we should look at the studies. We should look at photorealistic and we should take a view from across the street and not not the
straight on um um AutoCAD view and two times a day and how how you light it realistically from the inside because when it's it's not going to just glow as one box. Yeah. >> Right. Some lights will be on, some lights will be off. Are you putting any light from from the exterior? And what
are the connection details going to be? Are there going to be less apertures at those holes when when the shop drawings? >> I would also say too, if your goal with this screen, with this wrap, is to make the building unique and to stand out, which is appropriate.
I'm not quite sure if adding more of the wrap is the answer. You know, I'm noticing here and and this is the first image u of the presentation that there is this little bit of an undulation in the facade. >> Yeah. >> And I mean to Adam's point, maybe that
make the building look different and artistic and, you know, be a gesture and a statement, but I'm not quite sure if this is, you know, maybe play with the undulation of the floor plan. you know, if to think about in context and I don't know how familiar you are with other
buildings that are going up in the area, but they all have on I guess up to the maybe third story, they have some sort of metal screening is of the garage and I don't want and I don't think anybody wants this to look like a five or seven
whatever 10tory garage. >> You want it to look like a luxury hotel, >> right? And so I think that maybe that is that's the thing, you know, to Adam's point to play with, play with the floor, this the the if you want to express undulation, which this is the first time
I've actually ever really noticed that it undulates, maybe push that more, you know, maybe and maybe the screen is blocking that. There's too much going on. Like maybe there's too much screening and there's other ways that you can make that gesture. Um, one of the things that I noticed too is you
have this very sort of myo inspired canopy on the rooftop, which I think is a cool gesture, but it doesn't seem to relate to anything else in the rest of the building. And maybe that's, you know, have a relationship between the parts. Um,
>> do you have a better picture of that top part of the uh building that we can see and bring up? >> I also >> Can we bring it up? Yep. >> Is there >> that's his slide? >> The roof deck. >> The one in the rooftop. >> It might be in the
>> I think you just passed. >> These are the examples. >> Do you want it from like >> I think I had no >> No, from the outside. >> From the outside. >> Now you really can't see it there. >> You got to tell it. >> I I'm sorry. You had mentioned this
before. There's the blue and the orange. >> Yeah. And I think you mentioned towards the upper part of the building it would be the blue. >> Yeah. >> Towards the lower part it would be the earth tone. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's right. >> And then why you know with the pedestal
you have this all it all glass pedestal. It's almost like the reverse of all the other buildings that are in the area where the bottom the pedestal of those buildings are screened in and then the upper floors are more glass and here you have that reverse. I also wonder too again for this cohesion is there
something that can be done >> to again and I don't know if my colleagues agree but it does seem like there's a very stark difference between the bottom pedestal >> and then the main area with all the hotel rooms you know the the bottom
seems very like mis vandero modernist you know it's just glass in the mullians >> I mean I think the intention was that the bottom floor because it's it's connected to AP a paceo and and the streetscape that it belongs more in that world and that the building floats above
that. So it was really kind of a gesture to give the lower level to the street like that was really like the the the intention behind the difference. It's on >> um and if that's a desire, we could obviously reinforce that connection with
more with with materials with planting. But >> I understand you have on the bottom on page 28 I definitely see. >> So there's definitely some connection there. Um and I like the floating part of it. I thought that was neat. >> I like that it's different. Otherwise, it does look like a party. >> Are you Are you looking at the
presentation? No, you're looking at the architectural plan. Can you bring that up? Yeah, because that's that would be helpful. And I think there was also a question too. I think I remember from last time about the column placement and again there was an issue with the the rendering where it looked like it was
supposed to be a tree but it looked like it was also could be a column. >> Do you have architectural plan? I'm looking at page 28 of 32 where you have uh >> architectural plans >> front view from the po and
>> there's two views of the pool and then two views of the >> No, you don't have that one. >> Not on the not the presentation. >> Is that something that that they can bring up? >> No, I guess >> I don't have it in the PowerPoint. I'm sorry. >> Is this one of the sides of the
building? And I assume I think maybe the south side >> the back. >> Okay. So you see the band oh previous slide >> u the band of stuckco does that which is right below the pool. Does that go all
the way around the building? No. So in the front because we're looking at the drawings that we have online. It appears that there's something between >> right. So the reason top level and the >> right so the reason is that you have a terrace uh rooftop there. So you have
where the screen ends at the back you have an occupied rooftop that then tears onto the upper one. So in in from the back perspective you see the building actually come out from behind the screen. It was a way of also giving a little bit more movement in the back
>> that was a little bit different. Um, I'll I'll say too with the the wrap and kind of picking piggybacking on what others have said. Um, >> I'd be, you know, it was before having the sample, >> I guess my thinking was that
>> the the orange color was coming from the stucco behind the the wrap. >> Yeah. Um, so I'd be curious, you know, as you're playing with >> changing the relief on where you're taking these cutouts, um, what maybe
colors of the stucco behind and maybe maybe the gradient comes from the wall and there's so much puncture that the shadows play really nicely. Just something to to think about as you're >> as you're going through
re-evaluating that. Um, I think that the north elevation I I'm on your plans on 20. I think that needs a little more relief. >> Okay. >> In terms of just cutting out >> page 20. >> Yeah. Of the of the architectural plans >> of the plans, not of the architecture.
>> Architectural plans. Page 20. >> I' I'd suggest that like not just be where the um >> the windows are. Um, and then just the last thing that's >> I'm sure you'll you'll hit it when you're looking at this again, but the
the I think it's the northwest corner. To me, it's not a square and it's not a circle. It's like it's like a little Maybe it's just the way the renderings are showing. Like if we're gonna make that undulation more defined, I think that corner could use a little bit of of
of looking at because it's a little too too right angle to me, but it has like a small curve. >> I think that goes hand in hand with a comment about articulating the the the envelope a little bit better and giving it a little more of a >> composition to it.
>> Um, but otherwise, I'm I'm I'm curious to see how this looks. I'm I'm I'm I'm interested. But I just think like you said just a little bit more refinement and then maybe just playing with how those colors come to be. Um and so this material doesn't it's just not going to
rust or anything like >> No, I mean it's it's really like a kind of powder coated thing which is meant to last a long time. >> Okay. We could we could probably com I mean I don't know we could that could take might take a little a little bit but if we could commission an actual mockup to bring that could be something that we could also
>> so that we don't have to spray paint and it would actually be the the thing >> the powder coat finish is is different than what we're >> yeah it's a different durability and quality and all of it but >> Got it. >> But with a little bit of time I think we could we could get it we could dial it in too.
>> Thank you. Um do you finish? I'm I'm looking at on page 25 of I think it's the presentation. Um the one of the inspiration photos that you added which was the garage that's in the design district. >> I don't know if you can bring it up. >> That's great. Um, and you know, one of
the reasons why that is so successful, and granted they don't need, you know, to puncture for windows, is that it's this one cohesive statement. >> And I I and and I Yeah. in the upper corner there. And I I feel like
that's that's how I would, you know, think about that when you're doing the refining because now the gestures aren't as cohesive. And I personally think I'm not going to tell you how to design your building. I personally think that there's too much of the screening that
it's giving the hotel a bit more of an industrial look that I'm not quite sure you're going for. Maybe you are going for it, but that's the I also would say too that in looking at the context of the wall, I get it's the south facing
wall that's just solid. That's the one that's adjacent to the storage facility. I would also like to see that one. So, right now, I mean, one of the things that, you know, we review as the design review board are all of the facade
designs. I mean, and for me now, you know, the what this is not showing is where the um the storage fac Oh, wait. Can you bring that back up? >> Oh, yeah. So, it's not showing where the roof >> of the So, from what I from what I'm
thinking, >> um, >> from what I'm thinking is that the roof line of the storage is going to end and all you're going to see is blank wall. So, I would, as part of the approval, I'd like to see a finalized
design for this facade of what you're going to do. Right now it's just going to read as very very as pretty solid. You know, there's not much there. >> We also have to just to consider accommodated. It is a a party wall. So when and if there's a future development
at there, it's going to be >> I understand. But until that point, who knows? >> You know, I mean the storage >> up until that point, I just want to make sure that there's not this gigantic blank wall >> in the community that people are that's
what's going to be. So, I mean, and it's just, you know, I think your solution of paint is it's fine. It just needs to be, you know, something artistic that would really and I think that would also make a very >> maybe we could >> that would contribute very positively to the feel of the neighborhood, especially
if we're talking about ways to elevate the neighborhood, having, you know, a fourstory blank wall. >> Maybe we could accentu like add a secondary texture to it by accentuating like the floor plate lines or or something that's a little bit more >> Yeah. I mean, I don't mind I don't mind a painted gradient,
>> but I'm just saying no. >> It's something that that we would need to review. >> One of our comments, I think last time. >> Yeah, we understand. >> It was before. >> Yeah. At the last meeting, you also mentioned something um that you would be doing on the facade that the faces,
which I think it's north, the po. Is that going to be something like this or >> No, no, no. That's part of the same. >> It's got the >> That's the long facing. >> That's the long facing thing that we're going to articulate you a little bit more per the comments that >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> Um, anybody else have any other design related comments, recommendations? I'm getting the sense and everyone can correct me. This seems to be some a design that needs to be >> refined. Yeah. >> Um, and I'm I'm wondering if this is
something that we should continue. Um because at least in my from my perspective >> there needs to be a pretty comprehensive refine like you're going to make some ch a lot of changes. Um so I don't know you know if somebody on the board wants to
um make a motion to continue or or how everybody else feels. Madam chair if I might. >> Yeah. um because we've spent a lot of time on the um other aspects. If possible, I'd like to get a vote on the two variance request so we don't have to rehash all that in January and only come
back on design. >> Um I How does everybody feel about that? >> I mean, I think that's that's a good idea since we have seven people here. >> Okay. >> We may not have them in January. >> Yeah. Okay. Um so, uh who would like to >> Is that okay to do Roelio? Okay.
>> Absolutely. And so it would it would be a motion just for the variance, but then the design would come back. >> Correct. You could continue the design aspect. >> Okay. And it would just be for that that parking variance situation. But, you know, I mean, in all fairness, you know,
as a public forum, it doesn't necessarily mean that when you come back there won't be more discussion about, you know, it's just related to that variance. >> Oops. Oh, okay. So, who would like to make? So, there's going to be a motion for the design and then there's going to be a separate motion for the variance.
Is that >> it? >> We should probably consider the variances first and then the design since you're just continuing the design. >> Okay. >> So, I'll make a motion. I can't believe I'm doing this. I'll make a motion. Um, I motion I will approve the variance to
remove off- streetet parking loading requirements and also now we're the variance to allow for one on street loading. Correct. Not two >> to allow one on street on a class B frontage >> on a class yes
on a class B frontage street. So I'll make those two motions for variances based on all we discussed. I I'll second it. Okay, we have a a motion by Mr. Diffender. We have a second uh by Mr. Lester. Um
I'll Let's do a roll call on this one. Um Miss Pakavoli, >> no. >> Mr. Dender, >> yes. >> Miss Giller Nelson, >> yes. >> Mr. Lester, >> yes. >> Miss Leuen, >> yes. >> Mr. Meshber, >> yes. >> Mr. Pis, >> no.
>> Uh the motion passes 5 to two. And then and is there another motion? >> Yeah. Um would you all want to come back in January or >> Okay. >> What's the date on Janu in January? >> 11 >> 11 >> is 11. >> February. >> It's the 8th and then or February 12th,
but you'd have to have all the designs into the >> We'll be back in February with with with something that you guys would like. >> I think that's a good call. Yeah. >> And then do you have enough direction from us about what >> Most most definitely and and and it's
not new direction either. That's these are all things that >> we we we we welcome. >> I would also like and I I think we were talking if you could provide, you know, very clear renderings of the entire
front the entire all of the facades. >> Um as a because right now it's just the sort of bottom quarter. >> Yeah. We need to see the thing as a whole. The details are great as well, but that's that's something that that I was missing. I don't know if there's any other requests from any other members of
the board of what needs to be in the packet as well as a design for that south facing the south elevation. Um, some sort of mural artistic gesture. >> Perfect. >> As part of it, >> if it were a mural, it needs uh approval. Some sort of separate
>> commission approval. Right. >> Commission approval. >> Yes. Correct. Yes. Any mural over 100 square feet would require city commission approval. >> Maybe some concept ideas or something. >> Right. >> Something. >> And if you have a concept, talk to the neighbors. >> What What is currently to the south of the building?
>> Storage unit. A storage building. Uh >> public storage. Storage. >> Public storage. >> Public storage. >> And what is the separation between the storage building and yourselves? >> That curb cut that you see with the alleyway that belongs to the storage building. So that
>> it looks like maybe 10 ft. >> 10 ft. >> And the storage unit is how many feet high versus this proposed project? >> It looks about half the height. >> It's Yeah. Three stories. So it would be like half the height.
>> Half the height of the proposed project. Yeah. It's going to block half of the thing. Oh, you know, I think >> Well, any new building will block anything that's going there. So, you can't spend too much, but it who knows how long it'll be there. So, >> who knows how long it'll be there. There's a building on the corner of 41st
>> and meridian that has a completely blank wall. You know, it was built in, you know, 1964 >> and there's still nothing next to it. So, you know, who knows? Um, but at least if there's some sort of artistic gesture. I don't know how the city defines difference between a painted
wall and a mural, but something that is beautiful and cohesive and um for us to approve because I do believe that is in our purview >> some sort. Yeah. And I know that we've reviewed but I guess maybe it's been after the commission has seen them >> or No,
>> I believe they come before to the DRB and then they go to the city commission after. >> Okay. Afterwards. Okay. Yeah. I don't think any of us want more work for you, but at least, you know, we want to get this passed in February. >> Art and Public Places doesn't need to be involved. >> Um, if it's a private mural, no. Art in
public places would be if if they want city funding or they want the city to assist in doing this. >> Okay. So, um, can somebody make a motion? Somebody want to make a motion? >> Yeah. And just one other thing I'd suggest is as we were talking about when you come back with other elevations, um
I I appreciate the perspectives of the street view and since this is supposed to be a walkable project, if you could ensure that there's a lot of those too, especially on the po and how this does look to somebody on the street. So just one other thing to >> Great suggestion. Yeah. what is what are
we going to experience and especially with the pedestrian friendly you know is it going to be and I know this was a com comment last time like is it going to be overbearing or what's the interaction between the person walking down the street the person sitting in the cafe somebody coming down the po
not necess I feel like the eagle view is helpful you know internally for architects but it's not really for community input >> very good >> so are we making a motion to continue to February, right? Okay. Okay. I'll make a motion to continue to February for the
design. >> I'll second that with photorealistic renderings, mounting details, samples of what you can. >> And I was just my last sorry about this. The last comment is maybe not a flat top with the panels all ending flat. Maybe
because you have another glass railing bottom. Maybe things there's play with the movement, right? >> Yeah, I agree. I think there's you've got some you got some good you've got a great start. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate it.
>> Okay. So, we have a motion by Miss Leuen, second by Mr. Meshber to continue the design to February. Um that's the February 12th meeting. >> Um all those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Motion passes. >> Okay.
>> Thank you and happy holidays. Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. >> Oh, warm me up. Moving on uh to DRB 25 11:02 1212 Lincoln Road. >> Okay. >> This application has been filed
requesting design review approval for the construction of our >> You know what? Actually, can we take a five minute a quick five minute break as everything? Yeah, five minutes. proceeds. The meeting is about to begin. Remember to speak into the microphone as
this meeting is being recorded for public record. Please stand by. We are going on air in 5 4 3 2 1. Hi, good morning and welcome back to the DRB meeting December 11th.
We are continuing with new applications beginning with DRB 25 1102 1212 Lincoln Road and 1628 1634 Alton Road. This application has been filed requesting design reapproval for the
construction of a new entry canopy and four new signs for a proposed restaurant with one or more waiverss and variances to exceed the maximum size and projecting signs and for projecting signs special condition requirements to be placed on an existing building.
>> Okay, so this is um an existing building. This was this is the building that contains the CitizenM hotel. that was uh recently constructed um on the corner of Lincoln Road and Alton Road. Um at the ground floor there will be a Fogo Decha restaurant that will be
located there. I believe they're the interior is already under construction of this restaurant. Um and they are requesting some variances to build an entry canopy along Lincoln Road and then uh variances for signage. They would like for for some additional uh latitude
in terms of their signage. So, I'll read what those specific variances are. Um, the first one is a variance to exceed by 12.49 square f feet the maximum size area of 15 square feet for the installation of a projecting sign. Um, this is sign A located on the proposed
canopy facing Lincoln Road. So, they'd like for the sign on the the canopy sign to be a little bit larger. Um the second variance is a variance to exceed by 11.57 square ft the maximum size area of 15 ft for the installation of a projecting sign. Um this is the blade
sign which is uh located on Lincoln Road. Uh the third one is a variance to exceed by 11.57 square ft the maximum size area of 15 square ft for the installation of a projecting sign. This is the blade sign uh located on Alton
Road. Uh, next is a variance for not complying with section 6.2.6 of the special conditions for the installation of a projecting sign. Uh, this is for the blade sign located on Lincoln Road. Um, I believe specifically they're not using reverse channel letters and they
are using um channel letters. Um, and then uh five is a variance for not complying with section 6.2.6 special conditions for the installation of a projecting sign blade sign D1 located on Alton Road. So these are they're very similar. Um staff
recommends um the approval of variances 1, four, and five. However, we do recommend the denial of variances two and three related to the size of the blade signs fronting Lincoln Road and Alton Road. Um staff feels that the signs as as
authorized are large enough. The signs have two faces. So they're essentially by approving that variance, you're approving an increase in size for essentially four signs um because it's they're visible from each direction. Um and and staff feels that those those uh increases are not not appropriate for
for the location. Um staff is is has no other no concerns with the other signs. Um the idea of using reverse channel letters given that this the facade is a glass facade system. Um the the the reverse channel letters are lit from the rear. they wouldn't necessarily look um
great with the glass facade. So a channel letter where the light is inside of the letter itself um is more appropriate given the architecture of of the building. Um so with that um I believe the the applicant indicated that they would be online. They would not be
able to come in person. Um so um if um so I staff recommends the approval of the of the design of the entry canopy and the variances with the exception of those two that I indicated. Um, and if I turn it over to the applicant, they're they're going to be remote. Um, so
>> any any disclosures before they present? >> Okay. >> Nope. Okay. Um, we have Joe Mueller. >> Yes, I'm here. >> Hi, Joe. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Thank you.
>> Thanks. Um, so, uh, what was just presented, um, we're in alignment with, um, I think in most cases here, uh, especially, um, with the condition about how the signs were built and the lighting, you're
you're absolutely right. The halo lighting just didn't make sense on a building like this. And halo lighting requires something light and solid behind the the sign in order for the light to reflect. So in this case, we've got black
backgrounds or dark or glass and uh it just didn't work. So that's that's sort of the lowhanging fruit um in this discussion. So if I may uh just sort of recap um we are seeking five separate variances. Uh this is a new restaurant space that
fronts both Lincoln Road and Alton Road. Um so rather than apply the absolute max sign allowance on what would be wall signs, Bogota de Chowo is trying to strike a balance relating to the architecture the surroundings while
addressing both pedestrian and automotive sight lines. Roughly speaking, the total amount of proposed sign square footage is actually within the standard allowances for wall signs alone. But Fog Chow wanted to be strategic and how we use the signs and
the placement while working within the challenging confines of a primarily glass building. So for sign A, the entry sign, it's actually being considered a projecting sign. In most municipalities, this would be considered a wall sign, but because
it's on a projecting feature, a little building pop out. Uh, it was limited to a smaller size sign. So, if we look at sign B that's on Alton Road, that's a wall sign. It's actually well under what
the allowed code is. The sign A simply mimics that, but it's on this pop out feature. For variance two, this is for the blade sign that's on Alton Road. We've asked for additional sign area because the
letter heights by themselves with this background, they're 9 and a half for the larger letters and only 6 and 1/4er letters. So variance two is for a larger blade
sign than what is allowed. We're proposing 26 and a half square feet versus the 14 that's allowed. That's also the same of variance number four. Then I know I'm skipping around a bit, but variance three and five again just
come back to the special conditions of how the sign is built. And I feel that we've addressed that as well as uh staff has. So, with that, I'd just like to offer uh answers to any questions you may have. >> Okay. Thank you. Would it be helpful to
put up I guess you didn't submit a presentation, but at least images of what is being discussed? >> Yes. I was wondering if there was a way to share screen somehow here. >> No, we do not have um what I can try to
do is send the plans to PJ. Um, >> let me do that. >> Okay, >> it's up. >> Oh, perfect. Thank you.
>> So, oh, it just can't see it. That's funny. When I speak, the screen disappears. So, what you're seeing on your screen now, um, that is sign A that was on that portal. And then sign B that would be on the
opposite elevation is the exact same size. The difference is it's actually on that black band that you see on the building. Whereas here we were trying to create some evidence uh of an entry feature in
an otherwise uh you know plain surface glass building. Then the blade sign is one of the signs of the two signs that you see to the left. That's D2. Is it possible to forward that through?
>> Yeah, you can note the the page number of the presentation and then we can bring that one up. >> This is just so that you this is the architectural set that you submitted um that we have on file. >> Yeah. So, you don't have the sign
exhibit? >> I don't know. >> That was part of our submitt. Maybe go to page 12. Yeah. Is that helpful for you, Joe? >> Uh well, that that starts that's still the part of the architectural set.
There there was a whole sign exhibit. I think it's you submitted different files. Um there is one called variance diagram plans. Maybe that I don't know if BJ can locate that one. That's it.
>> Perfect. So, those are the signage elevations and what we showed here. The top elevation is what we're proposing by the variance. The lower elevation on that sheet would show the blade signs as if they were
scaled down per what would be allowed by code. And you could probably flip forward to the next elevation. There we go. So there's our other street that faces Alton Road. And you'll see where sign B now is just
on that black bend. That's actually almost half of what code allows, but again, it's just what fit the space, right? Um, but we were hoping to supplement that with the blade signs. And again, the elevation above is showing the larger blade signs that
we're proposing for the variance. The lower one is what would be code compliant. >> So, >> and this shows our square footage calculations of the sign. And I just wanted to point out one thing. The sign area is actually even less, but we took
the full generosity of including the little accent mark above the A. So in reality, if we were to count or I should say exclude all the dead space, the sign area would be even less.
And I'm sorry, somebody had a question. So based Yeah. based on that the diagram that that we just showed are are you proposing six signs or or four? >> Only four. >> And then so can you go back to the
previous the schematic? Sorry. So D1 and D2. Oh, that's around the corner. D2. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So So that's beyond looking down the street on D2, >> right?
And then D1 would just be the end view Alton Road. >> So there's basically two signs, a uh um two on Lincoln Road and two on Alton Road. One on each side is a blade sign.
>> One on each side is a blade sign and then one on each side is a sign uh parallel with the wall. Right. >> Okay. Does that Is there anything else you'd like to add? >> Uh, no. Just happy to answer any
questions. >> Okay. Great. I I have a quick question for staff. So you had said in the reason why you you did not want to you recommended to not approve variance two and three was that there was already so many signs
and it was excessive. Are you against there being blade signs at all or you just didn't like that they were he they wanted them to be larger? >> It the issue was that they were larger. So they have the ability to put those signs at 15 square feet >> um which staff felt was sufficient. They
want the ability to go to 26.5 square ft. um which which we felt was was probably a little large for the site. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um >> but even with variance two and three they still remain with four signs it's
just two of them would be much larger almost double in size. >> Okay. Um >> and the issue the blade signs even though it is only one sign it does have two faces. So it's so it's almost like having two >> right. Um, are there any other members
of the public wishing to speak? Is there anybody online? >> Um, there is nobody. Oh, we we do have Matt. >> Matt, are you there? >> Matt, if you can unmute yourself if you'd like to speak. >> Yes. Can you hear me?
>> Yes. >> Hi, Matt. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Thank you. >> So, hi, I'm Matt Wells. I'm the vice president of construction for Fog Chow. Um, I appreciate your consideration in
this. I think um maybe more just a a couple of comments in line with what Joe had pointed out. Um, I think our intention here um was to uh utilize signage in a way that's tasteful on the building um but also uh
address this the scale uh that we're dealing with. Um, we are we are on the ground floor, but we are at a glance if you're driving down the road as as you stare at the building now, um, we are part of a a a larger building. So, um,
try not to get lost in the mix as far as where what delineates our space is is kind of the intention, but staying tasteful. Um I I would I I would uh point out again and ask for consideration of the sizes that we're using. Um because we're it's I guess for
me the the uh the call out would still be that we if we were using nothing but wall signs, we would be well under the square footage. Um we're just we're just choosing a different method to do it just based on the architecture. uh the
the tra the way the traffic kind of acts with the the site. Um Alton's obviously a big th big busy thorough fair. So just trying not to get missed as as uh as the cars buzz by. Um, I I think the the
black backgrounds against what's what's essentially a mirrored building uh was also something else that we uh considered in the design and and and are requesting the the larger signs for I I understand um on paper um they they they
look a certain size, but I think in in actuality driving down the street um just making sure that we're not missed before a turn hits, it's it's not an easy task to kind of circle the block, turn around in our business, restaurant business. Um
the catching people's attention hits hard if if uh if if there's if there's an inconvenience of any any kind. Um and in this example, I'm using kind of buzzing by our site. Um and and I'm sure everyone is is familiar with the site
and and parking and everything. Once you've kind of buzzed by this site, um you may change your mind if if it's going to be too hard to turn back around if we're not seen. Um so these are all things that that we considered. Um it's really the the the
use of the signs uh for this particular building. If we were we were going anywhere else, we we might have just gone with wall signs. Um but but just a bunch of things to consider because this is we're very excited about this location. Uh it it's got its uniqueness. Um, and for those reasons, um, it that's
that's kind of how we've come to the design as it as it stands today. >> Thank you very much. Anyone else? >> There are no other hands raised. >> Okay, great. There's a hand there. Oh,
please come forward. Madam Chairman, members of the design review board, I'm here on another matter, but I live at 1800 Sunset Harbor Drive. My name is Frank Kruski. >> Are what matter are you here to talk about? >> The uh Morano project,
>> you um >> I'm not speaking. I'm not I'm just here. >> Can you wait until we hear that project later? >> Yes. Okay. Um >> I mean, no, now we're taking comments regarding the signage, >> and that's what I'm want to speak about. >> That's what he's doing. >> This project. >> Oh, you were here for that, but you have
an opinion about this. Okay, I understand. >> Got it. >> Sir, sorry. Were you sworn in this morning? >> No. >> No. Okay. Uh could we ask you and anyone else who was not sworn in this morning who's going to be testifying to raise your right stand and raise your right hands? >> Do you swear to tell the truth, the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. Yeah. All right. So, again, um my name is Frank Krinski. I live at 1800 Sunset Harbor Drive, which is very approximate to this location. Um I understand the need for businesses to have signage. That intersection is
signage clutter. There is already signs all over the place on all different sides and facades. This is a well-known establishment. It's not like a new entity for this city. There was already there is one location, not sure if it's still open, south of Fifth. they're
moving to this site. This site already has sign clutter all over it. So, I am speaking today in favor of the staff's recommendations to reduce the size of these signs. I understand the gentleman's point about Alton Road flying by, but on Lincoln Road, you're
not flying by. You're just driving or you're walking. So, the signage that they're they're asking for, I think in in general, having four signs on one establishment, I think, is overkill. But I would be in favor of the of the staff's recommendation. Okay.
>> Thank you very much for your thoughts. >> Is there anybody else? Any other members of the public wishing to speak? >> Okay. I'm now going to close the public portion and open up to the board for discussion. Does anybody want to begin? Okay. Scott. >> Yeah. I have so my family was in the
sign business for like 50 years. So I'm really really attuned to this. Um I want to the gentleman who was representing Fog Chow. I just want to tell you, you're not going to buzz by that location. It's gridlock all the time, 247. Second of all, um again,
wayfinding, you're not on the turnpike looking for a Chipotle. Um most people are going to go to this because they know it's there. They're not going to zip by and decide, "Oh, we missed it. We better go to the next steakhouse on Alton Road." Because that's not going to happen. So, I'm with staff. I thank you
for being realistic about it and being um but Frank is right. There's a lot of clutter there already and I think I don't think you need to worry about wayfinding on this location. >> Thank you, Ira. >> Yeah. Uh Roelio, I recall that when Magaloos, another restaurant, was off of
Alton right before um the Day Boulevard Bridge um and Day Boulevard canal on that little strip mall. They were cited because they had a sign in the front window um which was not visible from the street
at least not Alton and they had a sign along with everybody else you know uh standup sign on Alton U. So my question to you is they were started because they had two two signs.
Does the code allow for the four signs being that I can understand one sign on each face, one on Lincoln, one on Alton, but does it allow the code as it exists today to have two on Alton and two on Lincoln?
>> Yes, it does. as long as the combination of the two signs doesn't exceed a certain square footage based on the based on the length of the facade. >> And the square footage that is being proposed in consideration with the size of the building as the gentleman um the
contractor was uh referring to. Um it is comparable to other signs in that area as far as size >> without approving the additional size variance two and three. >> Mhm. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yeah. So, we the I guess the next best
example would be a few blocks up the the Marshalls building >> has signs of similar size. Um, no. So, I apologize. Um, uh, >> about the movie theater doesn't >> the movie theater has a blade sign on
the side. I believe they received a variance for for that blade sign because it does it exist >> and it only has one blade. >> Um, >> I believe it's only one at the corner. Yes. >> Yeah. But if these if these had been too different, if there was one if if the property had been broken up and there
was one business facing Alton and there was another business facing Lincoln, you'd still be able to have four, you know, there'd be four signs. It just happens to be that this has been leased to one entity that's taking up the whole property, right? >> Um I don't, you know, unlike the movie theater, the sign is big because the
entire building is that one purpose. In this case, the restaurant is just the lower floor of the building. Um, I agree with staff about what variances to approve, what varianc is not to approve. I also like the recommendation that the
sign have a nod to the architecture of the building in which the restaurant is in and to make it more modern and square. I think that would look really nice. And I do agree with Scott that these are going to stand out. And I've always been under the impression that the blade signs are more for pedestrians
as opposed to cars the driving >> driving by that the signs that are affixed to the building are very large and those are >> Yeah. Anybody else have any comments? >> I mean I'm same. Um I think you know I think staff's recommendation to not
approve two and threes is fine here. I mean they're I was looking at the other blade signs on Lincoln and on Alton and they're they're much smaller. So, this is going to be in scale with that. Um, and yeah, I like the arched entryway sign as well. I think that's very
tasteful um for the building and uh the the surrounding area. So, yeah, >> that's it. >> Yeah. Does anybody want to make a motion or >> I make a motion that we approve varants 1, four, and five for um the project
DRB. Hold on. DRB25-1102 at 1200 1212 Lincoln Road and 1628 1634 Alton Road.
>> Do do we need to break up each variance individually or No, it's fine. We can do it as a group. >> Okay, >> I'll second. >> Okay. >> Uh all those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Okay. Motion passes. Um we
should approve >> a a separate motion for the design because the the um the canopy is affecting the design and that's something that we require. >> Approval. >> So does somebody want to make a motion to approve and is that where I don't
know how anybody else feels about the the staff comment to make the sign more rectangular as opposed to rounded but it would be part of the design order. >> So I don't know if anybody else has any opinions on that. >> I like that too. The the other thing we didn't really talk about the building is
just a square glass thing. So too many signs on it are completely anathema to the design of the whole building. So >> yeah, I would I would agree to that >> condition. >> And the sign went above the slab of >> the slab went the sign went above the
slab of the second floor and was 11 feet tall. I mean, we've already voted on it, but that that seems excessive. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So Laura, did you want to make a motion? >> Sure. Okay. >> All approved the design um with the condition that um they take into they
take the staff's recommendation to curve the blade signs. Is that >> No, it was where is it to make it more rectangular. >> I'm I'm sorry. Sorry. >> Page eight. >> Um yes. Um so I'll make a motion to
approve with the um recommendation to make the blade signs rectangular. That's right. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. We have a motion by Miss Leuen. We
have a second. I heard Mr. Lester or Missi >> Lester. >> Okay. >> Uh, all those in favor? >> I. >> Motion passes. >> And then do we need to take a vote on the other onariances two and three?
Um, do they need a motion to deny the two variances? >> My read of the first motion was that the other two variances were denied. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Okay.
Moving on to DRB 25119 775 81st Street. Okay, this one, the printed copy of the staff report for for some reason wasn't included in in your packet. So, we just handed out copies of it. Um, but it was
online than it would have was in the the email. So, this application has been filed requesting design review approval for the construction of a new four-story multif family building with one or more waiverss to replace an existing residence.
>> Okay. So, this is a um a a single lot in the RM1 district in North Beach. It's a 5,625 foot lot. It's an interior parcel located within the big Biscane Beach subdivision of North Beach. Um and the applicant is proposing to construct a new four-story building. The building
contains seven units of uh multif family um residential and then it has ground flooror parking. Um the area in the vicinity um is zoned arm one. So this is the type of development that is that is expected from that district. Um it however the area in the the district
currently contains one and twotory buildings from the 1940s and 1950s. Uh but we are seeing an increase in in development in that area. Um, from the seven units that are proposed, there's uh four one-bedroom units and three two-bedroom units. The ground floor has
five parking spaces and an unenclosed lobby um that's accessed from an enclosed stair vestibial and an elevator bank. The site given the dimensions um it's less than um I believe 65 ft. So, the code does not require parking. However, the applicant is providing uh
five parking spaces. Um in addition, they're providing um uh bicycle parking uh for the residents. Um the building um is a rectal linear shape consisting of projecting sophets and balconies um alternating stuckco
walls and glass railings on the front and uh rear elevations. Um it's mostly finished in uh white smooth white stucco. Um however the uh the architect has incorporated some color architectural uh stuckco architectural accents and and various elements um
along the facade that give it an interesting uh provide some interesting look to the uh to the architecture. Uh the street facing facade uh features a stair tower that is wrapped with a white perforated with white perforated metal panels. Um the same metal paneling is
appro is applied to the garage and resident entrances um and on the outdoor rooftop at the fourth floor of the building. Um the applicant has proposed a white steel pergola structure on the on the upper floor to provide some shade. Um and that there's a communal pool deck up there as well. Um the uh
the design is is contemporary. Staff is supportive of the design. Additionally, the applicant is seeking a waiver of the minimum um ground floor clearance of 12 feet. Uh they are requesting to reduce that clearance to 10 ft on the ground level. Uh the ground level only contains
um an entrance vestibule and the parking. So there is room if the streets are ever raised in this area um for the for for there to be sufficient clearance for all of these uses to continue to operate and function appropriately. So staff is not opposed to the granting of the of the waiver given that there's not
a lot of active uses on the ground level. Um so with that staff recommends that the application be approved subject to the conditions in the attached order. >> Roelia it's uh 10 feet 10 in right. Yes the waiver. >> Uh oh I apologize. 10 ft 10 inches.
You're you're correct. >> Thank you. >> Nice to see you all. My name is Janina Maro from Red Octopus Julita. Uh we're part of the design team for for this project. Uh Roelia already explains
very well like everything that happened with this uh project. It's a small building only seven units. We presented similar projects before with a similar layout. Um the developers are the same as in
previous projects. Um the small differences here um regarding uh to the layout is that we accommodate the uh driveway to um to to maintain the on street parking that is already
existing. So to to preserve that we adjust a little bit the the entrance and we're fitting uh five off streetet parking spaces. Um, let me see.
This is the the front facade. Um, regarding to the same developers that they were trying to keep the same style as the previous uh projects to have some
uh identity of their own and uh considering that in that area the neighbors were requesting to respect the identity of of of of that area is that we um try to modernize
some uh uh vintage patterns s and pastel colors to respect that identity but at the same time creating a modern shape. Um, and that's why we uh change uh the the colors that we presented in the
previous one, but it kind of has the same um personality. >> I'm going to show the samples. There is uh we have a few samples of the what we're covering the stair kit the the stair in the front is with laser cut
metal panels. The idea is to make them in white, but that's the material. >> That's a company that already work in this area. >> And then >> sorry. So the >> that would be
>> that's the design the the perforated >> the that's not the the pattern that's the material. >> Okay. I think you can see like probably in the render the the pattern that we're choosing is more u
more typical. Um and there is this um this orange like light orange uh color that uh pink and and blue light blue. Uh that metal P panels will be covering the stairs and the entrance
>> and the um area right in front of the vehicle that's parked is that uh garage door >> that uh the driveway approach and then the driveway. >> So that's the entrance to the garage. >> It's a it will have the the gate for the
garage and next to it it's a door and a pedestrian door. Okay, that would be the the image of the side elevation. We're uh trying to uh create correlation
around the building with the same uh uh pallet of of paint and stucco. Uh we cover the corridors with um uh tension uh cables that uh the idea is
naturally grow some ivy, not super dense, more light. >> And what's on the wall of that corridor? >> H it's like like uh it's in in a I'm going to find the the image so you
have the reference. It's like a tension Okay. >> Like like like wires, >> vertical wires and like that. >> And in the second level there is this these terrace that we can create
landscape to make it grow naturally not artificial landscape. >> So the tension wires end up being the third floor >> second and third. >> Third. Okay. that that you can see the pattern of the
the of the laser cut panels for the facade, the front facade. Trying to find them Well, the isometric you can you can have a better idea of the geometry. That would be the rear facade. More simple but still remaining the the
colors and the other side. And the ties on on on the roof will be the like metal white matching the the front. >> Okay.
>> Does that conclude your presentation? >> Thank you. >> Okay. Excellent. Um, is there any members of the public wishing to speak? Is there anyone in line? >> There are no hands raised online. >> Okay. Excellent. I'm going to close the public portion and open it up to the board for discussion. Who would like to
begin? >> I can begin. Thank you. >> So, thank you. I um I I knew this was you all before I even saw who it was. Um I I think the design overall is is great. It's you all have definitely a
style and and maybe working with its developer. Um I just think it's very fitting for the area. So um I'm largely in you know in support of it. A few very minor questions or comments um that I'd
make um is I'm looking at the west elevation um which is the all-white elevation. you know, perhaps integrating a pop of color somewhere in there could be um doesn't
have to be a lot. Um but just like how you've done it in the east, you just did a little pink and I think that that just kind of added something. Um so it's just a suggestion to think about. Um and then my only other comment is is really just
the front yard landscaping. Um it feels I don't know. I don't know what it it just feels like it could use a little bit more refinement. It almost just seems like that one tree was just like pllopped there and then it's just a swath of a very um
I short shallow ground cover. So perhaps just playing with um height there maybe closer to the building some higher shrubs. Um that that would just be my suggestion. Um >> but otherwise a great project.
I love that. I love this cover. >> Great. Uh well, the the the landscape it's similar to what it was suggested by the landscape architect, but I'm not sure if it's 100% accurate. So, I we can work on that perfectly. >> Yeah. Nothing major. I just I just think
that could it I just the building is so beautiful. I I don't want like that to take away from it. And um so just kind of working working on how that plays with the building. just a suggestion for me. >> Perfect. >> Thank you. >> Agree. Thank you.
>> That that was my like I was so happy with this design. I think everything you said about fitting the neighborhood. Um I love the screen mimics breeze block. I think you used the exact amount you should have. The stairs are great. I loved it. >> A little more tropical I think
landscaping. That was the only thing I had. But I mean I hate to even say that it's so beautiful. So >> yeah, I agree 100%. You're right. Excellent. Any comments? >> Um, I just have two things. Is the the
perforated metal going to bend on the corner like that in that radius? >> And like in the stair like Yes. Not not completely covering the stair just um >> Yeah. That that that corner you'll keep that in preserve. It won't be a 90° corner. You'll bend it like that.
>> Um >> the way you're representing it. >> Yeah. It's it's rounded in the corner. And we just confirm with the supplier that they allow, you know, like they can just blend that version and they can follow our pattern to follow the design because this is laser cut. So they
they're unable to do to do that. >> Great. Um my last comment is not completely appropriate, but is it is the person on the top floor have to walk under the pergola and get wet to get to their unit?
>> Yes. But it's a a matter of the F. We're very limited with the with the areas that we can actually cover. >> So you're not allowed to extend out five feet right there just to have some rain cover.
>> Yeah. No, I can't I can't. >> Sorry, I noticed that. I can't change that, I don't think. >> Um in the in the in the floor plan here, you walk walk across there. Yeah, you could figure something out, right? Like,
>> probably. I don't know. I don't think we have any extra room for for another roof. >> But otherwise, I do think the design is really nice and and you guys did a great job. >> Sorry. Unfortunately, >> it's really Yeah. So, we did our best.
So the numbers, you know, are the one that refrigerant the the project. >> Yeah, the rain's probably going to go through the pergola anyway. So, >> right. No, I was like, >> it's like unrelenting right now. >> They can't they can't have like a hard top right there. So, they would have to
put a piece of canvas or something. So, I just was like, it was like two days ago when it was raining. I'm like, okay, every time the person gets out of the elevator as like a 25 foot walk. I'm I'm not sure if it's allowed to have some uh >> I know this isn't what we're supposed
>> Yeah. Can you >> fabric? >> Mhm. I mean >> could be fabric. Yeah. >> Yeah. I was going to say I think I mean this is a very good point. Maybe we can add those can but it's not allowed to be covered. I fig >> that's f.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> But we're limited >> even if it's even if it's a walkway. >> Yeah. But it could be a fab some sort of canvas. >> You could have a canvas that wouldn't count towards F. >> Okay. Fabric. >> This not make it aluminum.
>> Yeah. Retractable. >> Either way, we are in Florida. We're all used to get >> No, but we don't have we don't have extra extra square footage to cover. >> Excellent. Is that done? Um I I agree. I
I I I love the design. I also love the idea, as you're saying, with the personality that buildings with this personality are going to be scattered throughout North Beach. And I I think that's a great gesture. And um yeah, I was also wondering too on that on the facade that Lori mentioned that it
seemed there wasn't anything. And I don't know, I do love that you extended I guess it's the the um the base for the the um balconies how you extended it in a little bit onto those sides to almost make it look like an eyebrow. I thought
that was a really nice gesture. Um so yeah, if if you could if there could be something if not it's still a beautiful facade. I had a question about the the screening um because you provided us with a lot of material. It seems at least from the renderings but also and
I'm looking on page 30 of the presentation. What is on the rendering versus what is on that pop out seems to be a little bit different. I don't know if it was just me >> the enlarge of the pattern. >> Yeah. On page it's on page 30.
>> Oh, wait. Go back. Yeah. That Well, like the the the difference that maybe it's um because this is like just the thin lines, >> but it's it's the idea of the pattern though. It's going to be >> um
>> the the concept the concept uh is based on the right and the right image that is going to give you know like a more decco idea of those elements and in the render is just a representation that the render is just do the best just to mimic what we expect to have. So, but we expect
that the laser cut company is going to be working with the referend that we are going to give to them. >> I see. So, you're going to design that as opposed to because you know with this >> No, this is just able to do. >> I see. So, here was my one and again overall, you know, great job. Um, the
front facade to me seems a little bit busy and I'm wondering if and it was I didn't catch it at first, but you have the screening on the garage and I'm assuming that's going to be retractable and go up and then there's a screening on the stairwell and then the the door
also has the screening and I'm wondering if if that was just clear glass or something. Again, it it might make it seem a little bit less busy, but also be very clear about where the entrance to the apartment is.
>> Well, the the pedestrian entrance, it's um framed with the with the light blue roof. Um and what I'm concerned about having a glass door is to be able to see the parking >> that it's not there.
>> Also, the fire >> a fire during the building permit. We are going to have some conditions that the due to the assembly and the exit that happen in this section we are not allowed to have uh glass. So if we have glass we have to be you know with the
fire with fire rated you know like it's going to ask for more specifications to the to the glass in that area because it's part of the evacuation of the building. So that's the reason why we had >> it's so on the other side of that it's not enclosed. It's it's >> it's open.
>> It's open. I see. So you want the air to come through. So yeah. I mean that would be my only comment that the front facade like it just seems a little bit busy and I'm wondering if the pattern of the screen >> well it can it can be enlarged
>> to be more open for example. And again, like it's not really a very I don't know if I would really call that art deco. I don't know what you're going for. Um, but that was just I don't know how other people I mean there were some other
panels, you know, on here that I thought maybe were more sort of mid-century art decoy. I don't know. >> Basic basically you provide the the pattern and they just um put it in the system and and cut it the way you want it. It's that what they have there is basically the the like basic suggestions
they have but it's open to to different patterns >> right >> so because of the fire code you have to have um openings um it cannot be a solid glass door for example but you also don't want it to be
too opened because then it has visibility to all the cars and and the and the inside Mhm. >> Okay. >> Yes, exactly. >> Yeah. >> The the the parking spaces are pretty much right next to the entrance. Like >> I don't know. Does anybody on the Do you
think the pattern Do you think the front facade is too busy? Like is there too much screening? >> Cuz there's just a lot going on. >> I think once you add more landscaping, it may buffer some of that busyness or
take away from the busyiness. >> That's not too much. >> Yeah. It's like it's almost just like it's flat and then we have this bu this building. I think if you the levels of the landscaping >> kind of like gradually bring us to that building. I I I I like it and I I
actually like the scale of the the um cutouts the way they are, but it's just me. with second floor balcony being with glass that >> the second floor balcony with glass that make it too New York >> I know you know that those were the
sorts of things I was looking out of like this seems a little busy to me what could be taken away >> and I really think that it's it's more the screening >> screen yeah >> because I do I like the pink I I you know >> I like that pink >> I like the pink and I think it does do a
good job of making the building stand out. Um I that would just be something to explore and you know just with the maybe it's just the pattern of the screening you know and that's why I was like is this the pattern you're going to that's why I was concerned about what pattern
is being used. Um but I mean if if nobody else thinks it's busy that you know >> Yeah. >> Is there a reason why the screen wasn't taken further past the stairway to >> to the to the right? >> To the right. Yeah. um to to create the
the volume and and um yeah, it's part of like covering instead of adding more regular garbel in the stairs to have like this. It's a it's a design thing. >> We wouldn't want it to go over this
stairwell itself too, like covering the stairwell or that be too much. >> Like we didn't want it to make it too uh invasive in the facade. Uh but we didn't want to have just uh one one uh one flat um element
>> around the corner. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> To make that effect in the corner, you know, like the building is rounding or it's not just covering one face. It's just part of the building. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. If you I mean I'm happy to point out, you know, again, I'm just
going off this catalog. like there's certain patterns that I think would be more would go maybe be a little bit busy and go a little bit better but you know and I'm happy to point out to you when we're done. >> Yeah, 100%. >> Um yeah and be more I guess sort of more
myo appropriate like I know you were saying that there has to be some context and it's referring some other and I think that's what makes the building successful. So and then yeah anyway just some suggestions. Does anybody have any other comments or want to make a motion? I think your design is beautiful. I like
the wraparound um that FTO was uh discussing. I appreciate it. >> Oh, this Oh, sorry. Sorry. >> No, >> no, I I was just going to say so generally, let's talk. We mentioned that the pink my one question to was Oh, I had two questions. The the vine
>> detail that you had the other projects that we've approved, have they been built yet or not yet? >> They're they're >> they're still doing. Okay. That one didn't start, I believe. Only only the first one. >> Only the construction. >> Yeah. No, the construction. >> The construction. Only the the first one.
>> Um, um, and then the paint colors. You know, one of the things that we like to do just procedurally is to sort of lock in the the paint colors that are going to be used as part of the order. Um, it seemed like from the presentation you
hadn't picked out the exact ones yet. >> The number, the color number. Yes. >> Okay. So, I was just going to add to whatever um we approve to have that be a condition that you work with staff and that the colors, the ultimate colors that are chosen are as close as possible
to what is being seen. So to to choose the final colors with staff and I also think that I would like to see as part of the order that >> the so much of this building success is the use of color, the strategic use of
color. You know, I' I'd like to can we put that in the order that it's always going to be colored? Like I would hate to see some years down the line this building be sold and then somebody just paints it all white and then you lose that. Is that something that Absolutely. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. Can Can if the colors are your condition on the colors would would require that the colors be maintained so that if uh somebody ever did decide to paint it white um they the city could issue a violation and force them to paint it the color that was approved
>> to it all. Okay. And what happens if uh let's say 30 years from now um the colors in the area differ and somebody wants to do it instead of the sage with the yellow and the pink they want to do it
>> they have to come before the board >> with uh >> blue with this and that you know >> somebody somebody did that with another project right >> I mean they do that with all the artist >> is it necessary to come back to the board or can the condition include that it be approval of the planning
department if there's any changes in comment. >> You can you could it's up to the board how they want to approve that condition. They can give us >> I mean we don't even require permit now for painting. So I mean to have them come back it is a big expense in time
and in cost um to come to this board. Well, how about have it as a compromise? Instead of saying it has to be these specific colors, it would be that the areas that are indicated as being painted >> remain colored areas. >> Yeah. They remain colored. It doesn't
have to be this exact palette, >> but that having that >> Yeah. fee, you know, >> or and with approval of the planning department, you know, then they don't have to come here because they could go back and just >> probably be the DRB as opposed to the planning department, you know, it's a
design choice, not >> Yeah. But it to come to like I mentioned to come to DRB on color of three areas is an expensive proposition for a building in cost and in time. And we don't even require paint permits
anymore. So that's why I'm saying if they let's say decide to change the color scheme in the future 20 30 years from now that those areas remain colored a a color palette but with the approval
of the planning department. >> Yeah, but if we make flexible enough then they don't have to go to any they don't have to be go to the planning department at all. I'm saying don't make it so flexible. Let him have approval of the planning department so that it doesn't come back that they keep it in a
different color, but maybe they make it all beige. And what difference would that be? I don't think that to me that wouldn't be nice. >> It doesn't seem like that's the purview of the planning department that you want people who are design experts to weigh in on a design issue. Although there is an expense.
>> Yeah. But I think the planning department does have some um experts probably more so than we have on our board right now. But >> speak for yourself. >> I mean >> I mean we have how many architects here?
So we all have design uh ideas but I think the PL I mean do you feel uncomfortable um Roelio for the planning department to approve any changes in in color? No, we we have approved color palettes in the department that we use.
Um and so they would have to >> um use one of the colors approved in our color palette or if they wanted to use something else, they would have to come back to the department. >> That would have to come back to the board regardless um even without the condition. >> But you're asking for the planning
department to be involved not because they're experts in this area of design. You're asking because it's not a lot of money. And I think that that is for the community. >> Yeah. I don't think that's the only reason. I just think that to come back
to this board for those three colors um is, you know, it doesn't make sense. Not just because of cost of time and money, but I I think that the planning department is capable of doing this as they've always approved the color
palettes for Miami Beach. Um it's not something new for them. Now, if they come out of that color palette and go into some other colors, that probably would require, I would assume, Roelio, to come back to DRB.
That's correct. >> But if they stay within the color palette, then it should be fine. If they even change it at all. Hopefully, you don't, but I know you may not be around in 30 years. Re, you know, >> it's a reality.
>> Yeah. Uh, does any the bar members have any thoughts on this? >> I have thoughts on the on the metal. I'm trying to sway away from this the colors. You said there was a previous design similar design that was approved of a building by this firm before. >> Yes.
>> Um, >> but did it I don't remember if it had did it have I don't have the image here. >> It I believe it did. Um, my my what I was going to get at was is there a way to say that if the shop drawing of the
metal and the backer and everything is was a big deviation from what we're seeing here that that you guys review it or send it back to us because it it might not look exactly like this. That's my concern to protect it from not looking
>> uh when they submit that pattern. You think it's not gonna >> I want to make sure because that metal's thin and it's not going to be able to be used for everything and it may need a frame and and and different types of supports and for a garage door. It may look >> it's this is beautiful. It's just being
realistic about it >> to keep it real. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, I understand your point. This is not the idea. I like to keep my design. >> You have to make it like this. I'm want This is more for for you guys to just make sure that it doesn't get we don't have like a bunch of bands going through it. >> Right. If if it ends up that you need to
have some sections that are solid and some sections that are open because yeah it's very thin the lines on the on what you submitted your concept lines. >> That's I mean that was one of the reasons too why I thought that the pattern of the screen should be a little
bit different because I wasn't sure how successful this pattern would be with the rest of the concept. That that was my thought. Do do you have a different pattern that you want me to
>> I like you just think it >> No, I just know that there's a there's a difference between what we put on a rendering and what what we what gets built and I just you know >> well the laser cut panel lets you present the pattern that you want and like customize.
>> Yeah. they'll draw it and and rev it and it'll be what it'll it'll be, but it'll have a minimal minimal tolerance of the thickness of metal for it in order to be a for them fall apart and bend. >> Um >> there's different thickness of of
panels. >> Yeah. Usually when we approve it's this is what they have to do. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> That's a sample of the provider, but there is different with uh >> Yeah. So actually in sorry in the document that I gave you
there is some notes that I we asked. So we just just clarify with the uh with the person you know like how it's going to be the thickness you know for this money that is going to be 5 ft by 12 ft. >> So this is going to this is not the first project that I do you know like
with this uh um layer on the fac. So they normally work with that. So and behind that layer there is a structure that is going to support that um that that uh that layer. So I think this is um the construction detail for sure
there is not going to be an issue and they have uh other projects in the area where they're working with the similar patterns you know like with different design but the same material that is uh they're not having any issue with this. >> Okay. This is the thickness that you're proposing or thinking of?
>> No, I don't think that's the thickness. That was just the sample that was just going to ask just to have you know like what is the material >> thicker probably to withstand >> I'm pretty sure it's in the in the catalog there is the the thickness and the size of the of the funnel. >> Yeah. Well, I think it's I mean for me
and do before this gets permitted do is it reviewed by staff to ensure that everything is >> Yes. Yes. and we we have conditions requiring the final review and approval of of the materials um and that they provide samples at the time of permitting once it's more developed. Um
and so that's definitely part of what happens as part of the building permit process. >> Okay. And if and if it varies if this is what they're proposing this pattern and this is what we approve and if once it there's an actual sample constructed it varies greatly by default. Do you bring
it back for us? >> We would we would tell well we wouldn't approve it. Yeah, >> we would tell them either change it to what was approved or you can request a modification from >> or if they say this is what the manufacturer said that the specs that they submitted wasn't >> couldn't it wouldn't withstand that they
had to change it. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> And and as it goes to planning, it also goes to planning landscaping which will review all the landscaping and it probably because this is a major project. It's not just a simple renovation. and it would have to comply
with the date county uh code chapter 1918118. >> Okay. >> We we have a we have a condition that the final color uh the final color design and details of the metal panel screening proposed for the stairwell tower for the stair tower and the garage
and resident entrances on the front south elevation shall be submitted in manner to be reviewed and approved by staff consistent with the design review board criteria andor the direction from the board. Um, so we can add if you if you'd like some more clarity to that, we can we can amend that condition and and
and make it more uh rigid if you like or or it's up to the board. >> Okay, >> that's that's a condition in our draft order. >> Does that >> I trust them. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Very good. Um, so I'll make a motion that we approve project DRB25-119
77581st Street and the waiver um requested of a foot and 2 in uh for the clearance um to the of the garage area. And I'd like to
add a friendly amendment that the areas currently shown as painted remain painted though the pallet is unspecified. Okay. >> I think a friendly amendment to to work with staff on the landscaping a bit more. Yes. To make it more tropical.
Yeah. >> Madam chair, before you entertain that motion, are there any disclosures? No. >> Okay. Thank you. Some moved. Okay, we have a motion by Miss Ba Cavali with Oh. Um, will the maker of the
motion accept those two friendly amendments? >> Yes. >> And the seconder? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? No. Motion passes. >> Happy holidays. Thank you. Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you so much.
>> Okay. Um, >> does anybody want Should we take >> Okay. Here. You know what? Thank you so much. Okay, next up is DRB 251 1122 5900 Collins
Avenue >> and I believe after this one we're going to be taking a lunch break. >> Okay. Application has been filed requesting design review approval for the renovation of a water fountain located on the on the front side of this building. Specifically, the applicant is requesting design review approval for
the proposed replacement of finished materials. >> Okay. So, this is um this is for the existing 23story Grand View condominium located on Collins Avenue. Um the the building currently has a water feature
um on the front and the applicant is proposing to uh remodel that that uh water feature to make it more modern, bring in more modern uh contemporary materials. Um currently the existing water fountain is composed of an e-wall
um um that has a basin with tall sidewalls that step back to the main elevation of the water feature. Um it includes additional low walls stepping up forming a a base um which creates the entrance to the condominium. Um so the renovation includes the removal of
existing turquoise colored square tiles that line the basin and the main fountain feature walls. um and the demolition of a glass block structure that's that's within the fountain. Um and then the applicant is proposing to use um um new blocks uh with new natural
stone granite colored tiles and finish the water basin with diamond diamond bright to match the color of the stone tile. Um the the fountain staff agrees that the fountain looks much improved from the from the current fountain that's in place and staff recommends that the application be approved subject
to the conditions in the attached order. Yes. Good good morning or almost lunch time. Okay. Uh I'm the honor representative of the building. I'm Xavier Camdaviel. I'm here with Jerry Sheriff who is member of
the board and and owner on the on the property on the building and with the representative of the architect who is here with me. I understand uh basically it's a fountain as uh Mr. Madan says uh with tiles we don't touch anything about
the form you know it's just a retiling by the way and they have a glass block in very very bad condition they need to be redone anyhow they have water penetration it's 40 years old you know and uh the the board decide the owners
to go to to remove the glass block and just replace to do everything with the same with with the same tiles. is not a tile. It's a it's a stone. I bring some at your request some samples. Uh we'll do that on the
walls on the ver on the verticals and on the horizontal uh because it's a water. Uh we will do um how do you call that? Uh um a diamond bright same color. Exactly same color to match that. And uh uh I bring for you if you want if you
desire I bring some some picture. You already have that in the in the file. That is that is the size of the of the >> You know what? You have to talk into the microphone. Sorry. Um, but you can I
mean we can see and as you said those are in the the Do you want us to bring up the presentation so that we can >> No, it's just that you know it's very simple you know. Uh if you want I can drop you this one for to review. You have that on fire because that is on fire but if you want I can bring that
and we go we we take a picture of crossing the street the bus club have a fountain who is plain it's black it's plain or should be gray a light gray plane that is the two things I want to show if you want I can drop you there at the desk
>> sure >> and if you have question maybe you can say some words Jerry Sure. >> Good afternoon. >> Uh my name is Jerry Sher. I'm a resident of the Grand View and also a board uh
member of the board of directors. Um we have had a problem with this water feature for a long time. It's dilapitated and deteriorating ongoingly. And so a need to deal with the situation was was necessary. Uh to that end, um
what we wanted to do was to update the feature in a way that was both tasteful and in keeping with the surrounding properties in our area. This is Miami Beach. Obviously, we want to make it more beautiful than it already is, and we're already at a high level to start
with. And so, um, I just want to confirm to the board that the, um, owners of the property have weighed in on this improvement and all are in agreement that it's needed and approving the design that you are looking at as we
speak now. Um, and we think that this is going to just enhance the value of the property and enhance the look of the community. You know, this is the main design feature of our property is this fountain. It's right in the front, right in the middle. It's when you drive by, it's the most obvious thing besides the
name on the signage. And so for it to look the way it does, we feel it really is detracting from the value of the property and the look of the property. And we think this is going to really update and enhance that situation. Thank you. I'll take any questions that you
have. >> Okay. Thank you. Did you have anything to add? >> No. >> Okay, you got it all. >> I'm good. >> Okay. Um, are there and does that conclude your presentation? >> Yes. Are there any other members of the public wishing to speak?
>> Uh, we have no hands raised online. >> Okay. I'm now closing the public portion, opening it up to the board for discussion. We have anything to say? >> Oh, question is, will the color be brownish like the illustration here or
be like the stone? That's >> like this >> like that color. Okay. It will be horizontal like >> horizontal. >> Yeah. Because this color is different than what >> architects architect >> the printing the light of the picture.
It's all a lot of things. But with a sample you you can >> This is Yeah, that's why. Thank you for bringing in the sample. >> Okay. >> And and is that the the reference to the bath house? That's this
>> No, no, no. It's different. just to show you because we are removing the block the glass block and it will look plain like the basket that only my point was only that >> and this is a f it's going to there's going to be water flowing >> yes yes yes yes it's it's working by the
way today you know but it's leaking it's to redo everything >> and that's part you're going to redo the whole thing >> yes >> did you have any thoughts >> no I just think that the change is very nice and I think it would enhance the look of the building >> thank Thank you.
>> I have a question. >> When you guys think about your building and its identity and and >> its pallet, if you will, is gray is gray what you guys want for your feature in the front? Is is there a
color that goes with the your brand of the Grand? Is there a blueish or is I I I understand the granite it's sand blasted and I know this material and everything for and I'm glad you guys are fixing this. I'm just asking you like did you guys give thought to you're
putting a new you're putting a new mark for the next generation of this building or you have you considered >> so color at all the signage or or the the actual material >> the signage of the building is chrome so there is some complement to you know
what we already have by adding a gray element the building 98% is white so I mean we could theoretically use any color palette. Not to say that we were trying to look like something out of left field, but you know, at the same
time, we looked at what was going on in the surrounding properties and felt that, you know, something that was understated, not not something garish, uh, would would enhance the look of the building. Again, it's a water feature, so water is going to be going over it.
The color is really kind of like the background to it. the water itself is really the the thing that is going to catch people's eye. And so, you know, what we wanted really was something just tasteful and and and not, you know, like going to cause people to think of
nothing else of the property except the color of the fountain. So, we wanted something, you know, just a little bit muted but yet tasteful. I think that's what the you know effort was to you know seek as as a design >> not to contradict the water flowing the
flow of water >> correct >> the color you chose correct of stone >> are there is this change part of a larger renovation of the building or are you just fixing the water feature
>> the balance of the building is being uh going through a restoration process due to, you know, >> the certified, >> but we're not changing the color palette. We're sticking with what is existing. >> So, this really is the main design
element >> of of the property >> and you're not going to be repainting the building or cleaning. >> We all will maintain the same color palette. It'll stay white. >> Okay. >> Um Adam, was your question if sufficient? >> It was for you guys. Yeah. I just
thought I'm fine with this. Is there lighting in this fountain? Is it going to upwash the fountain or is it just you leaving it the way it was? I can't remember if driven by if there was lights. >> No, no, no lightning for now. >> They're just swapping out the old tile. >> Yeah, it's an improvement. >> Correct. >> I was just going to ask if you'd
consider or had considered some landscaping or something in front of those those walls are kind of stark. >> There's landscaping in the front of the building. >> No, right? >> Right in the fountain. On the two sides of the fountain, you just kind of have it's a lot of just stark white walls
that are just kind of blank. I was wondering if you thought about putting some landscaping in that grassy area on the sides of the fountain to kind of soften it a bit. >> Um hasn't been really addressed to this point, but we can certainly take your comments into consideration. >> I just think it would be nice cuz, you
know, you're going to have now a darker contrast with that white wall, and I just think it would add it just feels bulky. I mean, I know you're not going to change the design of it. I'm not but I think some landscaping on the sides might soften that a bit. That's just my opinion. I'm not >> I think we we have landscape on the
side. We have some bush on the side. We have that that is existing and we're well maintained and and we trim that. >> You're talking about the >> I'm talking right in front of the fountain there's a grassy area on both sides in front of the fountain there's a strip of just grass. >> And all I'm saying is it might be nice
to put a little low landscaping there. And where you have those two blank walls to the right and the left of the fountain, you have an area of grass where you could put something maybe a little taller that might soften that. That's just >> we have low hedges along uh the front of the building that maybe we can just
continue to, you know, the area that you're referring to. >> Yeah. I just think it might add it soft. >> Just just tie it together. North and south. Sure, that makes sense. I I went by the property yesterday and took a look and you do have nice landscaping on the sides >> and I yeah I that was going to be one of
my comments too. You know I'm concerned you're you're looking at this fountain which is it's large you know and it le the glass brick at this point not only is it outdated but it's not in good shape but it does do a good job of breaking up the large expanse of one
solid color. And my concern is that this is going to have is that with this just swapping out the tile is not really going to achieve your goals of making the building look more elevated. You
know, I think adding the landscape like I said on the side is lovely. Put more landscaping in the grassy areas in front of the fountain as well as right now there's just grass full of weeds that should be properly landscaped. Um, I think that the building, you know, it it
the glass on the balconies looks like it has almost like a a a bluish undertone. My recommendation would be to do not gray and you know, which I I think what Adam was getting at is it just it's just going to be a large expanse of gray, but
to do something that ties in better with the actual building, the conditions of the building. I mean, that's why I was asking if you're going to be doing other renovations to the building, if you're going to be changing it in any way, because I think that this yes, this is this is simple and it is tasteful, but
it needs to be this is to your point the main feature at street level of your building. It's the first thing that people see and notice it. It should be a part of the building as opposed to just something that happens to be on the sidewalk in front of it. And so, you
know, to to take a tone that is more cohesive. You know, I mean, in my professional view, this would not have been I understand that you're in a condo and everybody has to agree and be pleased. I don't think that this is this would not have been my recommendation.
Um, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm not in the minority. There seems like there's so much potential here. And if you really want to elevate the building in the way that you're saying, then I I don't think it's just a matter of the tile. But maybe adding the landscaping will make it nice. I mean,
>> but they have a a committee who decided that believe me was not easy for >> I can imagine. I know. That's why I even feel bad saying it like this to me seems like a very very safe choice that a large number of condominium owners would be the only thing they would agree on.
>> Did you have other they have a material change issue to worry about I'm sure. So >> to the point of the landscaping, if I may, >> we didn't want to do anything until after the renovations of the fountain are done because it's going to be demolished and anything we would have
put there now would be affected by that. So this is all going to be after the fact. >> No, of course. I mean, usually when we see these presentations and I guess it's different recommend different requirements for different projects, but there is a landscaping plan that of course is added at the end. Um, but I
think that what the landscaping that's there already is nice if you just extend that. >> Exactly. >> You know, but that would be a great improvement. >> Um, >> did you have other colors that were of stone that were considered and presented
>> not really? Let let me to recap the story about that. This renovation, excuse me, uh uh start in 2021 or something like that. 2020 the design the first design and uh and and then by for
budget consideration they leave that on the side on the side we do all the lobby of in interior are completely redone we they did a lot of of of of of investment in very inside it's beautiful you know the building is really beautiful and uh
and this one they leave for last and now we are it's the moment to do that uh I'm the general contractor of the project two I pulled the permit uh in 2021 it was almost approved and then uh they have extension extension extension
because they don't have money to do that and then uh when we called for the last extension uh uh Mr. Adan maybe you can correct me uh um uh planning and zoning said no we're not sure to approve that from staff issue means building the the
building permit it's ready you know it's almost it's approved but uh uh to to get the building permit we need to have your your your approval and that's why we are here now it's a very long story and they choose that many time ago maybe one year ago they they choose that or a little
bit more you know and believe me it was a committee or they create a committee for that and they approve this color. That's why we don't have I don't have plan B now to to tell you now. That's >> it was a stone committee. You
>> can we can we recommend that there are lights added to this isn't a black hole at night. >> I was going to just speak about that cuz I mean at night >> you're losing out. I mean even with water and green that it's I mean you can at least highlight the beauty of it but at night it's just going to look like
one dark blocks and >> it'll be an extra $8,000 $10,000. You put four up lights along the waterfall section that lights up that that'll pop it just like some of the other buildings all along Collins and it it'll it'll
give your building more pro prominence. It'll enhance the value of all the units and enhance the value. I think it'll just you're going you're going to you're going to empty it. You're going to recode it anyways. I think the lighting would be a nice do you have electric can
I suggest uh um I'm thinking about the permit issue and everything because this one is was delayed so many time you know uh can we uh get the permit subject to light the the fountain from the inside from lov
but if that this one can be can be reviewed by by the building department you know uh uh if because if we need to to come back in front of you. We We lo >> I think staff could review it. Yeah, >> staff can review. Okay, perfect. Perfect. Thank you.
>> Um, another thing I'd like to add just on the tiles if we're if we're exploring color maybe the way you've aligned the tiles could be you could experiment with that. Like it it seems a little the way it's done is like an old brick house
like and then you have this beautiful modern building behind it. So maybe maybe the Yeah. herring bone or I was thinking maybe like a vertical stack like just seeing like how the tile layout goes. Um >> how were you going to lay out the tile
>> horizontally? >> Um >> offset offset horizontal. >> Uh I apologize but that sample specifically that natural stone is supposed to be almost without any seam.
So at the end we just put the basically the dark grout so you can have an idea that it going to be a small pieces. >> Okay. >> It's not the intent to have it like it going to be a big gap separation at the end going to be like a wall with a stone
texture that the water going to be running through. So, you're gonna see some some stone texture um that is falling through the water. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, maybe it's just the rendering and I don't want to tell you
how to design this, but I just if if you're going to be playing with tiles, just considering how that if the grout's not showing, it's not as big. How about if the the pieces were, you know, they're so slightly offset so that the when the water moves down that you've got
>> you've got to move it otherwise it's a sheer >> the problem is we need flat because otherwise it will be very very dirt. You need you need they need to to be to be aligned because otherwise if we have some steps you know they have a lot of
dust. We need to they will be leaving cleaning clean this vertical wall. Yes, we have another project with with some sticking sticking stones, you know, on the vertical cascad. >> No, I think to to Laura's point that it
just seems like there's opportunities here to be a little bit more artistically interesting, >> you know, and especially again, this is this is a pretty this is a lot of square footage and it's at the very front. So I yeah, if there could be some something
that you could do a little bit more creative cuz it's just going to read as a great big dark wall >> at the front of your building. >> Well, hopefully and I agree with the idea of um adding lights uh to give it a 24-hour a day, you know, prominence. I
think that that will highlight the water most especially. And I think everything behind it is going to be background and and not really observable in in a you know because nobody's getting close to this wall. It's it's set back you know
from the street pretty far. So >> I mean no it's right up against the sidewalk. >> Yes. >> It's not set back at all to level. Yes. >> I I don't know. Like I said I was just there yesterday. I was staring at it and this just seems this is a great this is
a large space that you're putting one you know when there's texture and and variation in here but it's very small and it's not really going to translate the water is also going to you know distort it so it's going to read very very flat >> the color-wise not just you know you're
not going to be able to read so much texture you're not going to be able to read any variation in color it's just going to be very flat and very dark >> pour some water on it it's going to be black. >> Yeah, it's going to be darker when it gets wet. >> So, that's that's just what we're we're we're just trying to
>> help you reach your goals of making something that, you know, is elegant and elevates >> the the entrance to the building. So, I don't know. But also, I mean, like I'm trying to also be sensitive to the process. So, I'm very conflicted here.
>> I think the reason why they push it towards us is because we care about these things and we're we're looking out. I I I I feel your pain. I don't want to change your material, but I I I know what it's going to look like. There's there's a wall of of hamburg. It's like Tadawondo, like slabs of it,
and it's it's like a sheer thing, and it's it's all it's black. It's pitch It's pitch black. And I think too it'd be one thing if you had different water features that were coming up, but it's just going to be, >> you know, so to have like this would be a good background for some other
decorative water features, but it's just a kind of >> you could put a couple of like nubs at the top so the water then instead of going I mean there's this is a it's a fountain that could be >> there's a lot of potential. >> Yes. >> You know, even if it would be lighter, you know, a gradient or I I I don't know
something. But but again, honestly, I'm very conflicted about this because I want to be sensitive to, you know, the ownership of the building. So, I I don't know if anybody else has anything else to say or wants to make a motion. >> Has this been for years been trying to
get this approval? >> Yeah, >> they have. They've put together, >> but it's only come to us once. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yes. They've put together a stone committee that evaluates me. I I work with condos
um and they presented the um rendering of the bathtub because if you go by the bathtub wall, it is very similar. It's a dark wall with the um >> with the water flowing. Um, I think that once they add the the lighting that was
recommended and the additional landscaping, it'll bring some other uh life to it. What are the You said your uh lobby is been redone and it's beautiful. What is the main the main colors in that lobby? >> It's basically white and and they have
columns in wood, you know. We did all the columns we have on the side, you know, there was columns against the wall, you know. Uh and uh we put this kind of veneer around. It's it's it's a wood white and the front desk it's in
it's in marble. It's in it's it's in marble. The bar >> white marble or >> it's all white and and gray and and and wood this kind of color, you know. Okay. Little bit darker than >> What color is the marble? >> Uh it's white. >> White. Okay. >> It's white.
>> And the bass club it's white too, you know. And the font it's black. Okay, because we have to move forward. Does anybody want to make a motion? I mean, I
I'll I'll vote to approve with the condition that you work with staff on the design a little bit more to make it a little more cohesive with the building overall. Um, and then to also incorporate an uplighting feature and
um, and the landscaping as well around the fountain. Um, so I mean it's I I want I again like you're saying I'm I'm a little conflicted because it is it's just such a big swath of of dark. So we just want to ensure that it's going to
look um cohesive with the building. Um, but I think that that's something that could be worked out with staff. Um, I think we've given you some ideas of just how to play um, play with getting there. Um, so I I'll make a motion to approve with those three conditions.
>> Can we add to that that that staff is >> I hear talking the microphone >> that staff works with them on the the play of light and and water movement because they could put a couple upturn pieces and everything can look different once the water's moving. So leave it in
in their hands. >> Agreed. Yeah, cuz I was beautiful. >> I was reooking at the bath club example that you brought and you know they've I know I realize yours is a lot larger, but they've and I'm not sure I like love this example either, but they've at least like stepped >> in places so the water is showing some
movement. So, just taking from from that. So, you have you have a step in your waterfall, right? I see that one step. Yeah, it's not as high as this one. >> The waterfall. Okay. Yeah.
>> Okay. Do we have to second the motion? >> Were there was there more conditions? Okay. >> I think I'm finished. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Amendment. >> Okay. >> Yeah. With Adam's friendly amendment incorporated. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We have a motion.
>> Motion. Do we have a second? >> My Okay. >> Okay. Uh all those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion passes. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Thank you.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Take all your stuff. Okay. Um >> we are now going to take a a lunch break. So >> um one two three. We have we have we'll
take a lunch break. We'll resume. It's 12:32. I think we can resume at 100 p.m. So thank you. Please take your seats. The meeting is about to begin. Remember to speak into the microphone as this meeting is being
recorded for public record. Please stand by. We are going on air in 5 4 3 2 1. >> Okay. Good afternoon. Welcome back to the December 11th meeting of the design review board. Um I'm going to change the
order a little bit. Um just so and I'd like to call DRB 25 1142 1000 South Point Drive next. And then after that we're going to hear all the right of ways. >> Okay. So DRB 241142
Thousand South Point Drive and this application has been filed requesting his interview approval for them for modifications to the facade and exteriors areas of an existing residential apartment building. Specifically, the applicant is requesting to renovate the facade,
change signage, and provide a new guard house. >> Okay. So, this is uh an application to modify um Morano at Port at Portoino. They're going to be um um as stated in the title, they're going to be modifying uh
the facade of the building to provide a new entrance driveway. The driveway uh will be will include a circular dropoff area with new charcoal and pettor pavers um laid in an uneven striped pattern. Um they're going to be providing a new
defined pedestrian walkway um uh to traverse uh which will be traversing the existing sidewalk and delineate a path to the Morano Beach Club. Um the applicant the application includes proposing to demolish the existing portico share and replace it with a new uh trapezoidal canopy
supported by um irregular hexagon-shaped concrete columns at each end. Um and that's going to be lined with smooth stucco. Um and it's going to match the existing building um color. Um there's going to be new limestone tiles to define the exterior entrance floor that
leads into the new entrance. Um and and then sliding glass door system detailed with bronzeclad fins, walls, and projecting uh bronzeclad eyebrow. Um within the entrance driveway median, the applicant um was proposing a new uh
67 foot guard house. As I understand it, there may be uh some modifications that may be brought up by the applicant. Um so I'll I'll leave that uh for for the applicant's presentation uh to discuss. Um and then lastly, the the applicant is proposing to modify the monument sign
located at the south of the vehicular entrance. Um the applicant is proposing to partially demolish the existing sign uh specifically its side pillars. Um and that includes some planters and some other features that it has. And then in its place, the applicant will have a
more contemporary monument sign uh that is uh refaced in limestone. Um, so and then that will the sign will indicate the building's name, Morano, and then the address, 1000 sign uh South Point Drive. Um, overall staff is supportive of the uh of the application and staff recommends that it be approved subject
to the conditions in the attached order. >> Any disclosures >> before the petitioner's present or the applicant's presentation? Any um any board disclosures? >> Okay. >> Good afternoon everyone. My name is Tracy Slavvens. My address is 3800
Northeast Tracy. >> Oh, I don't know if your mic was on. Okay. My >> My name is Tracy Slavvens. My address is 3800 Northeast 1st Avenue, Sweet 200. I want to thank staff for their review and the recommendation. We agree with the staff report and all of the conditions.
Um I'm joined here today by my colleague Elizabeth Bueno, Frank Kookski, Ben Hutchkins, and Fernando Pereira of Architectonica Geo, and Scott Kitchenen of SKA Design. Um together we've worked on the presentation you're about to see and I will keep it brief uh for the
reimagined entrance to the Morano Portapino condo. So we can go straight into the project um explanation. So um this is an irregularly shaped area that fronts Alton Road, South Point Drive and also
the marina behind it. Um and the scope of work includes a renovation to the port kosher, um the monument signage, new landscaping, and enhancements to the dog park. Um
the design review board will vote on our driveway, the entrance facade, the monument sign, and the plantings. The guard house that was a part of the plans is no longer proposed. This was a decision made by the board after we filed the application and actually after we made our final submitt. So that's
been removed from the presentation and we've updated all of the renderings. Um this slide shows you the current conditions. So the Morano uh Portoino sign in the lower right hand corner is currently black marble with chrome silver toned lettering. That's going to
be replaced with uh limestone and bronze lettering. Um the pavers will be updated. The sidewalk will be renewed and the landscaping will be enhanced. Um here's a detail of the scope of work. The shape of the driveway will remain
the same. The entrance points will remain the same. These are all just um aesthetic enhancements to the existing conditions. So here's a slide showing some of the materials. The curbing will be granite. Um the Miami Beach sidewalk will be replaced but in the same pink. Um our
concrete pavers will be pettor and charcoal toned. Um and the limestone pavers will be used at the entrance lobby. Um today there is a port koshcher with um strong columns and a very ornate
canopy that's attached um with as you can see a lot of metal rotting and and grid work that creates a sort of consonant design comp to that doesn't quite complement the building itself. Um what you see on the right is what's proposed. It's much sleeker. It's more
streamlined. It has a more tropical modern feel and it aligns with the design of the balconies. Um, also the entrance uh doors to the building will be updated. Um, as you can see there's bronze cladding around the doorway. Um,
the the painting um on the existing doors will be removed and they will be more solid glass. Here's a detail of that so you can see it up close. It's just a a bit more modern, a bit more elegant, and a little bit easier to maintain as well. So, this
is the final version. And then for the sign, um there's going to be some demolition to the front of the sign and the pillars that exist on either side of the sign. The image on the bottom outlines in red what will be demolished. And the Morirano uh sign
with the address will be clad in limestone. And instead of having those pillars, we will have plantings around. So, it's going to be a little bit of a more lush entrance. And here's a detail of that.
Um, this is the driveway. So, uh, in the plans that are in your packet, there was a small guard house shown in the median here, and that's been removed. Um, and a a palm will be replaced, um, in in that location. And those are medual date palms.
And here's a planting list. And and with that it concludes my presentation. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Are there any other members of the public wishing to speak anyone? Anyone online? >> Um if you'd like to speak, please raise your hand and no hands raised.
>> Okay, great. I'm now closing the public portion, opening it up to the board for discussion. >> Anybody? >> Sure. Um overall, I do like the new design. before it looked like a 80s corporate entrance.
>> Yeah, >> this looks more like a uh modern like wellness center type of entryway and you see somewhere in the southeast southwestern US. So overall well done. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Anyone Laura? >> Yeah, I'm in favor as well. Um I really don't have any comments. Um so you're getting rid of a fountain concept alto together, right? This is just a sign. >> Correct. >> Okay. Yeah, I I'm in favor. I really don't have any critique to it. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Yeah, everybody agreed. So, um Raelio, you mentioned that we have to to modify. How how do you want to It seems like everybody is supportive. >> Um so, just uh as part of the motion to just clarify that you're that you're accepting the modification presented
today as as part of their presentation to remove the the guard house. >> Okay. Or should we make it so that we approve the new sign and the other landscape everything but the guard house? >> Um >> or we're just removing the guard house
from the application. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Exclusive of the guard house. >> Exclusive of the guard house. Yes. >> Okay. >> As pres and as presented uh today. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Um does anyone want to make a motion? >> Yeah. I'll make a motion to accept the design
as as presented with the removal of the guard house. >> Okay. >> Second again. >> Okay. We have a motion by Mr. Dender, second by Mr. Meshber. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? No. Motion passes. >> Thank you very much.
>> Congratulations. Thank you. Okay. Um, we're moving on to a series of the citywide small wireless facility nodes. Um, how do we want to should I read them all into the record? There's some that I think are going to have a
longer discussion than others. >> So, we can read, if you'd like, all of the file numbers and addresses, call them up all at once. >> Okay? >> And then we'll read the title is the same for all of them. So, we'll just read the title once. Okay. Um >> but we can read all the addresses and then the title and then uh and then
proceed. We can discuss them all um in the order that you like. >> Okay. Okay. Um so this is DRB251127 6526 Collins Avenue right ofway. DRB21128
96271st Street right ofway. DRB21130 Normandy Drive right ofway. DRB251131 7140 Collins Avenue right ofway DRB21132 6970 Collins Avenue right ofway DRB
251133 1108 Normandy Drive right ofway DRB 25 1134 887 street right ofway DRB2 1135 600 Alton Road right ofway DRB25 1136 6
114371st Street right ofway. Um Helio, do you want to start with the ones that that staff had made some suggestions about moving? >> Sure. >> Okay. Which ones were those? >> Um before we if you don't mind if I can
read the title. >> Oh yeah. >> Um so this is citywide small wireless facility nodes. An application has been filed requesting design review approval for the installation of small wireless facility node uh nodes within the public right ofway located outside of historic districts. Um so that's that's the same
title for all of these items. >> Okay. >> Um okay. So the ones that the applicant had concerns with. So so staff had provided in the staff report. We made several recommendations for most of for all of the items. We made a general recommendation that the pole match the colors of the surrounding poles in the
vicinity. So that was a standard recommendation that we included in in in all of these and the applicant was okay with with that recommendation for four of them. Um we looked at the locations and and they were located on on a sidewalk typically in a commercial
district. Um and then the location of the sidewalk staff had some concerns that it could possibly be located in an area that would be um have less of an impact than the sidewalk um minimize impacts to view corridors and and such. So staff made some recommendations. The
applicant does have some concerns. Um these facilities have a radius as I understand of about 300 ft and so they do have some operational needs in terms of where these are located in terms of servicing uh the specific clients that they're that they're attempting to
reach. Um so I'll I'll go through those. Um th those are specifically um on on in the staff report it's called out as item one. Um item number four, item number five,
and item number eight. >> Um so I'll go through the those those issues. For the rest of them, staff was okay with the the locations that they were proposing. Um there there really weren't many alternatives for those those those for those poles. Um so for the first one,
DRB25 1127, that's 6526 Collins Avenue right ofway. Um uh the applicant is proposing what's called an integrated stealth pole with the antenna on top. Um the proposed location staff felt was not in line with the existing utilities and
could impede the pedestrian flow by limiting the clear clear pedestrian path along this uh commercial corridor. This on Collins Avenue in North Beach and a few of these are in Collins on Collins Avenue in North Beach where we had these concerns. Um so the site um in addition to limiting the commercial corridor, the
site was across the street from residential buildings. So we we felt it may have an impact on their on their views to the west. Um so staff did recommend that that be moved uh to the north side of the block on 67th Avenue. Uh I mean sorry on 67th Street. However, in discussion with the applicant, they
do have some significant concerns by moving it that far north. It does affect the service area that they are attempting to um to serve and to cover. Um, so the applicant had had uh some concerns that we can if you'd like we can discuss each one individually or or we can go through all of them and then
they can present. Um, >> I don't know. Maybe we should do it individually because it seems like they all have individual >> individual issues. Okay. >> And then maybe the ones that we speak to the end there's just going to be less because we would have >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is that okay? >> So you want to discuss first the ones
that have >> Yeah. Let's talk about the ones that were more I don't want to say controversial. That seems too strong of word, but just that need to be discussed. >> No problem. >> So then it would be the DRB 20. The first item number one. >> Yeah, the first one was 6526 Collins.
>> Yes. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen of the board. My name is Gilbert Gonzalez. I work for Crown Castle Fiber. Uh located at 3470 Northwest 82nd Avenue, sweet 1000 ind. Um I want to thank you for giving us a
chance to present our proposal to install small wells wireless facilities. Um on this item for um DRB 251127
um we have discussed also with the panel um yesterday afternoon about the location of of our notes. Um like like Mr. Ramadan said uh normally the the purpose of installing these small cells
is for the coverage. Uh we our clients just want to cover as much as possible the area that we're installing so it can have the proper coverage. On this case we were discussing yesterday and um we were having some issues on on our
location and where they wanted it at. Uh we came at some kind of if you want to call medium size uh deciding that there's a street if you notice south of it uh 65th Street where
um we can install we can move the note to that side just to avoid like it says uh any buildings or whatever uh on that area which all it has in front is just that parking lot that you see on on on the display. Um the only issue that we
had in there and that's something that we have to validate or whatever is that 65th Street shows under property appraiser that it belongs to C Miami Beach. In other words, not a public right away. >> And so >> can you is there a way for you to maybe
point out the area on the image that you're talking about? >> No. Uh, let me see if the other ones. >> Mhm. >> So that >> this is where you Oh, wait. Go ahead. So that's where you proposed it. >> This is where we're proposing. Yes.
Um, of course, initially was because in alignment with the light poles that are around the area. So that's why you see that the poles are kind of like leading towards that little wall that it's over there on on on the sidewalk.
Um back again we discuss it and and the recommendation the best we can do is like move it towards that side of 65th Street like I said before which is if you notice on this is um on the bottom
left that's 65th Street in there and we can I think there's some they're not showing in there but there's some palm trees and stuff like that around that area that we can just accommodate our node in there but like Again, our only issue is that that street it's showing
as city of Miami Beach. In other words, it's not a >> versus what? Who owns the other property? >> What other properties >> where you have it in the in the sidewalk? I >> It's a public right away. Okay. >> Our installations, everything is on the public right away in accordance to state
statute 833447 that allow us to install any uh wireless communications in the right away. where we were initially. It's the right away maybe. >> Can can you go back to the other one just because I have a question for another location that is same thing that's frustrating to me.
>> This one? >> Yeah. Well, where you showed the pole on the next to the wall? >> This one. >> That one. Why would Why would you put the pole on the sidewalk instead of in the swale where it's not blocking the
sidewalk? Because in accordance to their what we are required is we have to put it online with the other polls. If you notice the other poll is right down the road. It's the same answer. >> Who whose rule is that? >> No, we're we're we are re we the what I
saw was the pole the lights were closer to the to the front of the curb. >> No, it makes me crazy because I see this all over the city where there's poles in the middle of the sidewalk instead of in swailes that are grass. Why in the world would we do that? >> We we have installed if if you notice
all around the the the city anyhow, I don't know if all of them are ours, but we have plenty of those in here. And yes, we have moved them like in this case like where the location is to the swell area. I mean, it's not a big deal about that because of course >> it it it gives you more space on the
sidewalk for ADA regulations. >> That's all that's what that was my biggest thing with this whole thing is wherever there's a swale, they should be in the swale and not on the sidewalk. That was that was our recommendation for the one on 600 Alton, which is that it moved to the soil. This one I I from where they were, they seemed a little too far from that soil. But if that's
that's a great option, we have we for it to be located in that soil. That would be great. >> Do you prefer to not be in the swale because of the possibility of a car hitting? >> Hi, good afternoon. My name is Gonzalez with
347 in Norway 32nd Avenue. the we do you know just to comply with the city it previously we were requested to align it with the other BS and that's why we presented that well we are we are able to move you know to the swell to wherever the city allows us to to
install it >> in this case yeah it will be probably better to to to let pedestrian walk over there and yeah we can do it there >> you know what I wonder if with your presentation if you would maybe take a step back and tell us a little bit about these poles about the dimensions the
size cuz we haven't been part of this conversation. A little bit of an introduction of what the requirements are for the surrounding and then we can get into the specifics of of the placement. >> Okay. So, you want to explain or you want me? >> Okay.
>> Well, usually this is a 14 in pole uh that we always place in the right away to install. Uh in this case, Miami Beach has like a different pole to other cities because to uh to like give it like a better view, we hide
all the equipment inside the pole. So you only see the pole itself. Um we usually place it, you know, uh on the rightway on the sidewalk. Sometimes depending of where the other poles are located, it could be, you know, right
by the road or on the back of the sidewalk depending of the of the area. But we prefer as usual you know in cases like to do it on the SW because to let the rest work but it will depends you know what uh how are the other post located there but this is you know those
those minor move we are totally able to do it >> and then and then what are the dimensions of the pole? I saw that it's about 38 ft tall. >> What about the diameter? >> It's 14 in. >> 14 in. >> Okay. >> And it does it taper or it's just
usually 14 in uh from the bottom up to 30 I will say around 30 then it it it widen probably one or two inches more uh to the top depending of there's also a smaller deviation from the design but it's almost to the view it's almost the
same just the same uh the same tube all the way to the to the top >> and then staff had noted some conditions about integrating can say these poles also be used for lighting or other uses or is it
very you have to have the components in it for your technology? >> The the poles in itself like he says everything all equipment antennas or whatever are inside the pole and in certain areas which we had done before we are replacing
let's say a light pole a city light pole with one of our poles and if it has the light we will include the light on it. If it doesn't, like in this case, probably there's no we're not replacing a pole. We're just installing a new one. Then of course, there's no light no need
for a light itself. Um, but yes, we have done it before. We have installed light lightned light poles with our poles, but with a light >> and they come in different colors, right? >> Yes, we have. >> So, why not black? >> No, it it all depends on what is on that
neighborhood. Uh, if you have black post, we'll paint them black. But everything in that neighborhood looks like aluminum or white palm trees. So why would the black pole be put there? >> Well, unfortunately it's the way they they put it in there. But technically we have a palette of colors that we have
also set up in in our things. And there's a way variety of colors itself. Uh we have black, we got gray, we have >> green. >> You have aluminum though, right? Yeah. I think aluminum lake is >> and and for your thing these are
powdercoated poles that are to withstand the inclements of the weather of Miami Beach. Anyhow, >> what uh the um equipment that's inside, how big does is that equipment? How much space of the pole does it occupy? is it
range from between 6 in and I will say 12 in >> wide and probably between uh 8 to 14 in height. >> So um currently in Miami Beach um we
have light poles all over Collins Avenue that are aluminum at least in the upper part of Collins Avenue. It varies as you change the area. Um, but we basically have light poles everywhere on a public ride of way. We also have uh the
electrical wooden poles or cement poles that carry not just the transformers for FPL, but they also carry the lines and equipment for Breezeline for AT&T. Why can't this equipment be on an
existing pole? Be it an FPL pole I'll call it or an existing light pole. Why do we need to add more poles? >> The problem with the using existing pole are the limitations. So adding elements
to surf wireless facility using existing pole you will need because we have mainly two two elements. the equipment that uh transmit the signal and the antenna that you know irradiate the signals everywhere. So you will need to
have the antennas somewhere on the pole which will be limited by the height of of those existing pole if you are planning to use existing pole and then you will need to house the radius somewhere on the bottom. So we will be adding additional elements you know that will
will probably h reduce or or decrease the the the the visibility or the will be you know not not good for the city because you will have boxes to host the radio instead of only one power >> and for another purpose also it's don't
forget they need power. So, if we install on on on an already existing pole, we need to put a pedestal. So, you're still adding more furniture to the sidewalk anyhow because we still need the uh meter can where we can supply power to the uh to the antennas
or the equipment. >> Already have power available at the base. >> Oh, yes. But that's >> no but we sorry we tried that before. So the another element that we need to take into consideration is that those light pole are meant only to use for the light. If you want to add elements to
that pole, you will affect the the the structural analysis of of the pole and it will it won't hold the the the capacity to know to add elements and be safe uh to to the you know the the wind speed here in South Florida. So you will
need it will be mandatory to replace the pol if you want to use it to be able to support all the new load that that you will be adding. That why it is safer and you know uh I guess more standardized to install a a a facility that is being you
know already installed and been approved before by the city. So the city has an agreement that it I'll call it an agreement but um it's similar to an agreement and I think legal and maybe Roelio knows about it where um only
certain companies can come in to provide um internet um and um what else? uh cable um and those agreements are with Breezeline um AT&T
which could include Universe and Direct TV and there's a third one that's used for but only available to commercial um and it includes internet. So is this a fourth entity that we're contracting with?
>> So this is not a a a company that we are contracting with for these particular polls. Um, under state law and particularly in light of amendments by the state legislature in 2017 and 2019, uh, companies like Crown Castle have a right to place small wireless facilities
in the right of way. Um, we, you know, we may have agreements with Crown Castle like for our own property, but there's no agreement required for Crown Castle to place a uh a small wireless facility in a right of way. So if another company
or five other companies come to the city of Miami Beach under this new state law from 201719, they could basically put power poles or poles like this throughout the city with the approval of design review.
>> In in theory there there could be multiple companies in you know along the same stretches of rightway. Um but the review of the design review board is let's say that the the applicant in this
instance has consented to the review of the design review board by submitting this application. >> So we're limited as to the design of the pole, the color of the pole, the location of the pole. Is that what we're limited to? and and
not you know everybody else is using power poles that exist right now. We approve this. There's nothing to say we're not going to be having five more applications from five other companies in 2026
and we're going to have a pr proliferation of these poles all throughout our city when we're actually trying to replace these wooden poles that we have now with better quality cement poles for FPL. We're trying to
eliminate surplus signage. um you know whether on on the right of way what are we getting ourselves into? >> So in in is it is it possible? Yes, it's possible that other companies will seek
to place polls uh in the same area as an existing poll or a poll that the board approves today. Um, my understanding and I think the applicant could speak more to this is that with Crown Castle in particular is Crown Castle has space for multiple network providers on one pole.
Is that is that still the case? >> Correct. We can support up to three customer at the same pole >> on each pole. >> Each pole >> and this is for internet which also is available >> cellular system. wireless cellular, >> right?
>> But we have that a available to us now as a city. So how is this different from the wireless connection that we now enjoy in this city? >> Okay. So let me let me So if you have any concerns, if I may interrupt, let me
put it this way. Okay. Recently you have the art basil in here. You're asking for 50, 60, 70,000 people to be in there taking pictures and mom here I am or whatever. Well, that person itself wants a reliable
internet or whatever. So, you can transmit that signal to your mom or any parents, friends or whatever. That's where we come in with the small cells. The small cell transals and send that over, brings it over, receive your message and send your message or
whatever. Why? because it takes away from the big towers that you see all around anywhere and it takes a little bit of that traffic that those signals are receiving on those towers and put it in on these small cells. That's why like he
says our small cells are basic limited area not not mile away areas. is just 300 400 ft at the most but it's just specifically for whatever it's about those 300 400 ft they will be able then to receive and
send signals appropriately. Um it's it's way different. It's a little bit sometimes probably like you said we started probably 17 or 16 something like that. It's it's been years but
>> it's been working and and and and as you have heard I'm pretty sure you got we started with LTE 5G and now they're thinking about 6G and stuff like that. Well, we are the vanguard of that and we're trying to catch up with everything that it's up to now. you want your
citizens to be communicating all the time and that's where we come in. We're trying to uh add these like you said on areas where our carriers or whatever decided hey we have a low signal in here so we won't increase the signal. So, how
is that going to change? Um, all of us here as wireless carriers on our cell phone >> and our iPads um instead of using AT&T or whoever they may use, they can now also have another choice which would be
Crown. >> No, we are we are we provide services for all of them for uh AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon. So we expand their capacity >> and it adding to to what Hilberto said it is not only when we talk about
capacity it's not only to let people you know um search faster or download upload faster information it's also we as a engineers we um design for for the worst scenario. What is the worst scenario when you have 10,000 people, 20,000
people uh you know requesting a service and the service need to be available because what happen when when there is a chaos or something like that the first thing that that happens that lines get congested. So the only thing that will help that is when you when you put
closer those antennas to the people and to those areas that that can get congested. >> You know the the initially is because to to provide a a faster service a better a better service but but the when you think about the safety is it will let people be safer because it will have the
the resource available when many many people request the services at the same time. So, I know that we had and still have uh radio towers, but we don't have them uh in their antennas, radio
antennas, or I'll call them radio antennas, but we have antennas that belong to the city and to other providers that are not on the city's rightway or the state's right of way, such as Collins Avenue. They are placed on the
top of certain buildings, designated buildings. I recall Tower 41 on uh Pine Tree and 41st Street has an antenna up on the top. Are the And there and yet none of us know about it because it's
not visible. Are you all not of um able to provide your node on one of those on different buildings throughout our city on the roof and they they have to pay a rent to that building. It doesn't come
for free is what I mean. For example, when you imagine like an umbrella, when you are transmitting the signal from a, you know, from a space, you are covering so many areas and that many areas will get congested because, you know, so many people requesting a service a certain
point. Imagine you have one, you know, one big building transmitting the signal and you have maybe the the convention center, you know, outside of of that coverage. If if something happen at the convention center and too many people request the service here, all those people at the convention center won't
have the signal, won't have the availability to to to request the services because people that are closer to the antenna will take those resources from them. So that's >> but that's separate from the question I'm asking. Why can't you put the nodes
on top of buildings strategically where you need them? Uh because there's several buildings on 69,71st Street and Collins on 11th um and on Normandy Drive on >> Oh, they're all second street. >> Yeah, I I understand your question, but
>> there's a lot of rooftops. Yes. But >> yeah, rooftops. >> The main reason that that that I like to, you know, to to to to indicate is that the antennas need to be closer to the to the public. Need to be closer to the areas that get congested.
>> So, can't you find a building? There's We're full of buildings. We >> probably No, no, no. Am >> I correct? It's only a 300 ft radius. >> It's within 300 400. >> I guess your question, why does it have to be in the public right of way? >> Yes. And why can't you put it on one of the buildings where you need to be
within that 300 square you know uh radius. >> Uh I guess the in in summary it is not efficient. So we probably we can go on on many many reason but it's not efficient when first you will you will
be uh too high from people and the signal the the higher you go the spread it gets and the higher so when you have too many signals in the same area it gets interfere each other. So that's why so the closer you you are to the ground
you are you have like a you are um your umbrella is is getting smaller so you are covering hotspot so group of people >> so did you investigate buildings that did not have the height that would cause an interference in all these areas that
you're looking at because I don't know during our Basel Super Bowl boat show um all these different events that we have year found. Did anybody here lose internet that lives on Miami Beach?
We didn't. So, how is this going to improve our life? Um, and also what you're requesting is to put a pole of a 14inch diameter, right? um forgetting
the height on a sidewalk that has a five foot should have a five- foot depth for a to meet ADA. Is that interfering with a 5- foot ADA requirement? >> ADA requirements require 36 in. Yeah.
>> So, anything bigger than that, if I'm not mistaken, is 36. >> So, again, it's the pollution of all these poles. And for example, um FPL does not want to put certain equipment on swailes. Why? Because they're afraid
of cars hitting it and causing accidents. So I >> and and I understand like you said when you asked a while ago about if we were afraid of putting a pole on the swell or whatever. We don't we have done it anyhow. we have put you know remove it
from like like I said on this case like where that area and if you want it towards where the palm trees are we don't have no problem with that unfortunately we just follow orders and recommendations that the board is telling us that we have on have to be online with the polls that are on that
section so of course but it has to be approved by you anyhow if you want something like that in other words if we want to move from the out of the line of poles that are already on that sidewalk and you want to put it on the swell area or the grassy area. We don't have no problem with that. But back again, it's
something that it has to be discussed. So in other words, >> doesn't comes down when we submit for apartment doesn't tells her what you put it back there. >> We've gone through other departments of the city to make sure that this is allowed >> what >> before going to planning the installation of these notes.
>> No, we haven't told many. There is many many many PS installed. You are just adding >> No, no. I'm asking did you visit other any other department in the city of Miami Beach for the installation of these poles other than planning?
>> We we added public works as reviewers to the to the workflow for these applications, >> but they haven't looked at it yet. >> No, they have. They have. Okay. >> They'll look at it again once they come in for a formal building permit, but but we had a public works um um as a reviewer for for these all these
>> and it reviewed it as well. We don't have it as a as a plan reviewer. >> Okay. >> Wait, Akquil, did you have a comment or I also realized too that we didn't do the public cuz it seemed like your presentation melded into our questions.
So, do you have another question? >> I had one question. >> Okay. I've I've seen cell phone towers that are designed to mimic trees with branches and they look like they have trunks and coloring them mimics a tree.
Can you >> do something similar with >> poles make them look mimic like a palm tree or more natural in nature >> rather than a metal tool? >> Yes, that like you said. Yes, there there's different uh types of poles or
whatever. Like I said, some of them look like pine trees, other looks like palm trees or whatever and stuff like that. Um, but that's um years ago when we were introducing small cells in the uh in the city of Miami Beach, we sat down with uh
at that time it was the previous uh board members and stuff like that. And we came with different designs and and at the end this is the design that they pick. So, of course, for us, it's kind of anywhere that you see it's going to be the same standard size, except for,
of course, the color. >> Yeah. I This seems crazy. I'm just going to cuz I This could go on all day. I would say for me, I would want the poles not on the sidewalk, on the swailes, wherever, wherever they are. put them on the swailes and do them in stainless
because it black sticks out. White peel stainless is a normal before we will paint it in accordance to whatever it is. >> That's all I would say. >> If you have white poles, we'll paint it white. You have gray poles, we'll paint it gray. They have black poles, we paint it black. >> Okay. Um Adam, did you have a
>> I'm just trying to understand this. But state says these polls are allowed allowed with with no choice in the matter. >> Yeah, >> I understand what they do. They they are helping out service and these guys are
not going to go and to each building owner and put a $2,500 a month antenna on top of each building to do this. And so we should only be talking about color. I'm kind of following Scott and getting it off the sidewalk because that seems stupid. >> That's it. >> Okay. Um,
>> unless we want to squash it and not not if we say no, then they maybe they can't put the polls on. >> I want to go back. Um, is there any more >> straight information to convey? Because I do want to open it up for public discussion, which we skipped a little bit. >> No, I feel like unless you have any
other question. >> I'm sure there'll be if there's any other questions that are there any members of the public wishing to speak? >> Is there anybody online? >> We have we have two hands raised online. Okay, hang on. >> Oh, sorry. Are there are there any board disclosures as to any of the applications in this item?
>> No. >> Okay. >> No. >> Okay. We have actually four hands raised. Um and if anybody else would like to speak, please raise your hand. Um so the first person is Carlos PZA. >> Um good afternoon. Thank you for uh letting me speak again. Um I um I just
wanted to I think this is sort of like being said by by some of you. I I think that that we need to be really careful about the placing of these polls if if we move them forward. Um we have many situations where you have a light pole
um uh uh traffic light pole uh stop sign etc. and they're not lined in such a way that if somebody is handicapped or somebody has to use a wheelchair, they almost can't get past them and they have to wave around the sign, the pole, etc.
So, I I mean, I'm fortunate I'm not handicapped, but I I feel bad for people that need to use a wheelchair because it's almost impossible to navigate um all these PS and signs. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Next we Next we have uh Jane Crup. >> Jane, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. Um Jane Crup, 1390 Ocean Drive. Um, I'd like to share my
experience with you all with Crown Castle and trying to do something about getting a pole 6 in from or 12 in from many people's bedrooms, which now exists. So, when we were notified that
they were intending to um put these poles on 14th Street in Ocean Drive on the in the 100 block, uh we looked at the locations and tried to negotiate with Crown Castle as to their placement because they were being placed. We're in
historic district which is a little bit more restrictive as to where they can go. And so, we made some suggestions. Can you move it 5 ft this way? Can you put it on the other side of the street? And their response basically was no. The state has given us the right of way to put these wherever we want and local
authority has no control. So now we ended up So I did some research trying to find out if these they're microwaves and they're at 40 ft. They have to be all at the same height in a grid and they all have to be able to communicate with each other and that's why they won't move them because they need to get
them on their grid in specific locations. So that's like a dead issue. they the state has given them the right to do this. You can't fight the location. All you can do is try to modify the material or the color. And um what they did here in the historic
district, they are powdercoated in a silvery gray. And I can tell you I have spoken before about powder coating on the beach. It is the absolute worst um finish you can use. Someone had put some handwritten scotch tape signs to one of
the poles in front of our building and when the scotch tape was removed, it took off the entire powder coat strip. So now we have this ugly pole that you can't fix, you can't paint it. So I suggest you being the design review
board, you talk about the finish, either make them concrete, stainless steel, unpolished aluminum, anything but powder coat because that is a very bad finish. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Next we have Lewis.
>> Lewis, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> Thank you. You have two minutes. >> Okay. >> I'm the vice president of the building at Second and Jefferson. And one of the nodes they want to place is right on
right the the dot shows it just about on top of our building. So I'm speaking on behalf of an entire building here and the whole idea from everyone in the building was they're just concerned about cancer and what those kinds of
waves produce and they just said make that point and that's our point. So that's number one. Number two, I don't even know why there's even a discussion or why they even have to apply except for that it sounds like it's just
design color like like the young lady just said and the the other young lady on your panel. I don't even know why we're even having the discussion except for color and p if they're allowed to do it. And then the young lady's explanation on the panel was so
accurate. She said five more companies. How about 25 more companies if everybody's allowed to do this? What's the restriction? It sounds like something I should get into. What a business that they're going to have to be able you can't refuse them to put their equipment in the in the
properties. So, um I think that ba basically uh I mean can can somebody comment on the idea of is this truly a discussion about
color and design because our hands are tied because the state allows it. Can someone answer that point please? >> Okay, thank you Louis. Yes, we will get to that. Are there other >> Yes,
>> we have uh Jeremy C. >> Hello everyone. >> Jeremy, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. >> So, my name is Jeremy Shimama and I am the owner of the property located in 114171st
Street in Miami Beach. Uh first of all I appreciate the opportunity to speak today because I have serious concern regarding the installation of the pool that is being proposed directly in front of my building. I would like to understand why this specific location was chosen especially when there are
nearby alternatives such as sorry such as a corner like area parking lot there will be like much having like much lower impact on the surrounding property. Uh like the building I choose to buy, it's an art deco property. When I
purchase it precisely because it I value theural character. I'm I'm from Paris. Uh and really having this pole in front of it, it will be like a huge uh problem for me. And also this building, it's commercial, so I'm actually building
like a commercial thing on the bottom uh right now. and uh like having this huge pole in front of it will be like a will affect really like it will damage the visual appeal app appeal of the property and the visibility for commercial space. Uh so I'm really concerned about it and
also uh the previous guy who spoke before about the the radiation etc. And this is really concerning. I mean we don't have any problem like with internet or uh or anything like that right now. So I don't understand why
they they want to do that. I mean it will just like make it the street like more uglier and the and the pedestrian will be really like slowing there you know like if there is no sport around >> thank you very much for your feedback.
>> All right and then last we have Marina Titova. >> Marina do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Thank you for this opportunity. Uh, you know, I just wanted to echo what Louis was saying. I'm a resident of a
building next door, 110 Washington Avenue, and I'm uh very very concerned about the 5G uh uh towers post being installed. There is enough scientific evidence by now that it's highly damaging to human biology even though
it's frequently denied. So to provide that context uh there was a research study published in reviews on environmental health in June 2024 on how human health is affected by radiation from 5G base stations. The results show
that 5G greatly increases radiorequency radiation exposure and that ill health occurs fairly immediately after 5G is switched on near people's homes. The study also included three children aged 4 to 8 years. In several cases, the
symptoms were so severe that people had to abandon their homes for good. The most common and severe symptoms were sleep disturbance, fatigue, headache, irritability, concentration problems, impaired short-term memory and scheme and skin problems. These symptoms correspond to the symptoms described
more than 50 years ago as an effect of exposure to radio frequency or microwave radiation known as microwave syndrome or radio frequency uh sickness. So I hope the board agrees that we should not allow project uh that would obviously negatively affect the health
of the residents especially our children all because someone wants slightly improved cell connectivity. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> We have no more hands raised. >> Okay. Um,
I'm going to close the public portion and I'm trying to think of the most efficient way to move forward with this. I guess I should start with are your concerns based on this discussion. I know they
saying anything that can be moved to the swale, they will move it to the swale. So that was any colors. Now Scott, the staff had recommended the color be the closest light the color of the closest light pole. Do you think they should all be an aluminum or should
>> After what that woman said and I've seen these horrible situations, they should either be aluminum or stainless steel or something that is just a natural >> Yeah. that'll blend in >> resistant that you can clean and >> scrape if there's something put on. This is the problem with the powder coating
seems to be problematic. But the C, you know, the staff had made the and I don't know what >> there's stainless steel everywhere in the city. >> Yeah. To do it all the >> metal. That's what I would say. >> And there there are certain areas which I think were in the presentation where the light poles were dark. Is that
>> Yeah. So on in the Normandy area, for example, the light poles are dark there. Is there an opport an option to paint the pole as opposed to powder coat the pole so that they match? And would you be would the board be amendable to that?
Yes, it it I mean back again it's the powder coating actually is like I said because of the inclements of the weather and stuff like that that we have in Miami Beach now you want to paint it we'll paint it and and of course in
accordance to whatever >> I would stop Roilio the county does black >> lights uh red lights they they're peeling it never looks good it the glass. Unfortunately, don't forget that we are in Florida. You we have different
changes of weather. You got rain steel or aluminum like whatever the >> we are in Miami Beach, so of course those winds will bring the sand will hit those poles and of course they're >> So are you amenable I guess to make this the poles out of aluminum?
I've been re I recently oh I was just at the beayshore the new beayshore park and the and and they had some stainless steel you know um paper towel holders and all of that and already they're rusting >> so I don't know what if aluminum is the
best material >> let me remind you also I mean the material it's probably whatever it is but the thing is that we have to rely also on on >> what was the word that >> yeah the engineering Right. It's
basically the the wind or whatever. >> It has to be heavy, >> right? It has to resist all that. So, >> I mean, it's like he was saying when she was asking about why don't we put it on on an FPNL pole. Well, >> right. I understand that. >> It's not putting on the pole is that we
>> So, what material are the poles currently made of? >> I I don't know right now, but we can investigate and we can investigate which option, you know, can be available to avoid rusting and to avoid deterioration. >> They're not right. So I I guess I it
seemed like the concern was the the upkeep relating to powder coated. >> Whatever material it is inside, it's heavy and then it's powder coated. But that's the problem. It's not the material the pole is made of. It's the final outside material. Does that seem to be? >> So,
>> but I think if if um you go to something that's less than powder coating like paint >> that may have more maintenance and less durability. Powder coating >> has more durability and they're already having a problem with it on Ocean Drive.
>> How many poles have you placed already in the city? I don't have the right count, but I will say probably more than 50. >> More than 50. >> Okay. >> Wow. Um, >> do does staff have any opinion on the
material requirements or what's the most >> durable? Um, durable is most durable is probably aluminum. I would say >> I I believe unfortunately I didn't brought it with me but on on the package that I submitted there's the uh post
specs >> and it will tell you the material or whatever that it's in there. So of course it back again colors we don't have no problems with whatever it is but but the materials right now doesn't pops up on my mind but like I said we we
submitted along with our packages the poll specs which probably will might tell you what the material is for those uh polls itself >> going to that now >> and then you know what about okay so it seemed like we resolved We'll move the
polls wherever possible working with staff to the most the adjacent swailes. What about the concern that that that a member of the public called in who said right now this is dead center in front of my place of business. Can you that was the one 114371st
Street >> and there are no swailes there. There's no swailes there, but it could be moved. >> And when you mean move, move where? >> Well, that I mean, this this is this is why after the whole I can't have it in here. I can move it over there, but at
the same time, >> so it's not then if I move it next door, then next door is going to complain. And if I move it next door, the next door is going to complain. Usually, you know, we have like a 100 ft uh room to to move it, >> but we always we people sometime think
that we don't look at it and we we we try our best, you know, to not to put it in front of anybody houses. Uh to not to h this root people walking to find, you know, to to to find the best way to to
avoid, you know, affecting people. But sometime just there's no option to uh sidewalks are too congested or there are you know areas are there are private road this have to be on the on the public right away. So sometimes it's just uh really really difficult to do.
>> Well in this case I mean I'm just looking at the photos you provided and it there's no head-on shot. just from the side. Even if you moved it so it's not in the center of his property, but on the on the property line between the properties or even to the south there, it looks like there's an empty parking
lot. >> Hey, can can you please check that? Which one are we talking? >> So, it's it's um 114371st Street. >> Yeah, >> there's another one. >> Oh, there. Wait.
>> Yeah, it's it looks like they're using reinforced steel. Is is this is this the one that you're talking about? >> 114. >> I can't see that far away. >> Uh because I can't >> Yeah, it looks like there's a gym there. Yeah. Yes. >> So, for example, and and what will be your
concern about this one? Well, the the man who's leasing the site for his business at its dead center in the middle and could it be moved to the left or you know to the edge of the property as opposed to the center for his visibility using of the
>> I guess yes if if we have if there is an auction we we can totally move it but probably there is there is something that is preventing off to do that uh I I don't see right now that it's in front of any entrance or or something that is affecting the >> it's just it is within in the property
and sometimes like I said we try to avoid that as much as possible but maybe there is a bike rack or or a hydra or something that is preventing us to to avoid that bus stop. >> Yeah. Totally we can do it. if there is an auction we can do it and we will do it you know working with the with the staff
>> the staff and yet and that was my question too for staff >> I'm assuming you re you know do you go through and look at the and walk through to see what other obstructions might be and then do you also one of the things that I noticed when I was driving around
yesterday is the poll the first one that we started talking about that's 65th and Collins it looks like the city just put in and it's not even in the pictures this big what I think is going to be a traffic sign and it's a big and then this is now going to go in. So is there
any discussion >> within the city of coordinating all these different polls >> I think that would be public works right >> public works is going to be doing that as part of their building per process that's why we initially made recommendations to move some of these polls because we felt there were there
were things in the way and and that it'd be better to maybe move it off. Um, >> so there's going to be another layer of finetuning of the locations based on >> and if if I may intervene also, let me put it this way. I I deal with city of Miami Beach every single day.
>> And let me tell you something. One of the most strict or restricted uh issues that we also have is when Miami Beach building department that they're very fond of if if there's someone that is building like you said a street light or whatever, it's like you
can't go in there. Yeah, >> pick another place or whatever. I mean, we we try to accommodate, but of course, if the city's having work on that area or whatever, and they tell us, no, you can't do it, then we can't do it. So, I mean, it's >> And then is there, and I don't know who
this is a question for, but I'm thinking, okay, these are installed. It seems like we have no choice. They have to be installed. What could the city later come back and say, "Oh, can we use your pole to add a light or how, you know, once this becomes a permanent part
of the cityscape, you know, is there any is that something that's allowed? What happens also frankly, you know, when the technology becomes outdated? You know, are is your company then responsible for removing the poles or what is the lifespan?
>> So, usually technology change I would say every 5 to 10 years. Right now we are doing that because the city requested it. We are removing a lot of fold that are not being used and a lot of all stuff used to just to help with the city beautifification. Um we do that
every time that that you know that an installation is not using we will remove it. Um this type of >> Oh wait. And so you're saying of this technology some of these nodes already are out of date and you're removing them once you've installed in the past are a different technology. No, no. Uh the the
poles that are that are being used uh and if we are still using it, we will use the pole outside will be the same. Just internally we will replace the element. But in in for some reason that it happened before we are not using a
facility anymore, we are obligated to to remove it. >> Are there other questions? go when he's talking about that that also goes it was previously years ago it was those uh concrete poles and stuff like that where we just install the antenna attached to
them those are being removed anyhow we're not using those anymore so of course not only the antennas equipment but also the pole >> cabinet everything >> cabinet antennas pole and everything in other words we leave it oops sorry that's the same way we found it
>> at this type of pole that we're installing right now I will say this is the the more future proof P that we has been installed many many years because the equipment are inside. So whatever fits inside we can operate without the
people and city noticing. Oh no not not noticing you know not not being impacted. So it it can be upgraded without affecting the the landscape without affecting the view of the of the area. >> Um was there more info about the
materials and any of those concerns? So, what I'm seeing in the plans, it looks like they're using uh steel, stainless steel. >> Okay. And does that seem like the most appropriate, easiest to maintain? >> They're painting the they're painting the stainless steel. >> The So, they have a color palette that
was provided and it looks like they're using powder coat. Um they have a series of >> but the um material is stainless steel, so they could be left in stainless steel >> theoretically. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If the CD allows it. I mean that that's
what we're >> I don't want to install a pole that is stainless steels and then suddenly complains, hey poles are black. Why not this one? >> They probably would have to take a look at the poll. We don't have a poll here to see. But I mean if the city allows it, we'll do it.
>> We'll tell you that years back we had public telephones all throughout the city >> and it was a nuisance because it was different companies placing them in places where it interfered with pedestrian traffic. uh with other signage. They weren't maintained. They
had graffiti stickers um and they were stainless steel um and they weren't maintained. So, I'm glad to hear that you're saying you will maintain these will maintain and remove them when you don't need them. >> I mean, we have receive complaints
almost every day uh to our knock center about poles that are damaged, poles that are probably peeling off or whatever. So, of course, it's a ticket created and that's a ticket that we'll be working on it to either fix the problem or replace it or whatever depending on what the complaint is, but yes.
>> Okay. So, I think that the board would probably approve the best material that you would recommend that we ask them and the color. I mean, it seems like an aluminum a silver color is the most going to blend in or I don't know. I'm
not a materials expert. what you as city planners recommend. >> So our initial feeling was that they should be painted to match the color of what's in the vicinity. So North Beach, a lot of them are painted black. So we felt that they should be powder coated in a similar black. But I understand the concerns that are being raised here
today, which sort of is changing the way I was thinking that if this powder coat, if somebody puts up the sign that there's a lost dog and the tape comes off and now the powder coat starts coming off, I don't know that the powder coat has the ability to be >> you can touch up powder coating, but the
powder coating, if it was what they used, shouldn't come off with the tape, >> right? >> Um, but I think what it's not aluminum because it's not going to be strong enough, so it won't pass a building permit. I think steel, stainless steel is a hardier metal.
>> Um, but I agree with you. If we have invested a lot of money on streetscape design in different areas, we should be consistent with that streetscape design. >> Um, a question to legal. I assume and I
don't want to assume but I'm assuming that legal has looked into this and we have to provide locations for these notes. There's >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, how would you like what would be the easiest way for us to move forward to help you? >> So, if if the So, so basic a decision. Do you prefer them all to be in their bare color or to follow the colors of the um of the surrounding vicinity for
the of the of the poles in the surrounding vicinity? That's the first question. >> The second question is our draft orders include for the four that I mentioned which is DRB25 1127, DRB25 1131, DRB25 1132 and DRB25 1135. We have a
recommendation on the location which they are not in agreement with. >> Um so do we want to modify the way that's drafted um to say to to the applicant shall explore locating the poles within the
nearest swale um as opposed to the way we had it drafted which we were looking at moving it around the corner in some cases to to minimize the impact of the sidewalk. They're indicating by moving it around the corner in some situations that puts them outside of the the radius
that they're looking to to cover, >> right? It doesn't work. The system doesn't work. And I guess I'm most concerned too with this one, the Alton that the sidewalk narrows. So that's I mean that's hugely problematic. >> We >> And what if when there's no swale,
>> right? That's so that's the issue in in Alton Road. We were suggesting that they move it north where there is a swale. There's a very large swale there. Um, but they're saying that gets them out of the radius of of the area they want to cover. They want to cover the new tower that's at Fifth and Alton. Um, and by moving it north, that puts them
slightly, I think, too far away from that and also closer to other towers that are already there and there may be some conflicts. >> Um, >> so it seems like the only choice they're leaving us is to make the sidewalk more narrow, >> which then you're not in compliance maybe with ADA.
>> Well, they have to comply with ADA. >> They have to comply. Oh, definitely. Roelio I I think to go through each one of these locations and us decide where the poll should be, I think that's more of a public works job. Um I I think the material should be a durable material,
be it stainless steel or whatever it, you know, the building department will require and they have used. I think as far as color for me, I think it should follow the streetscape of that district or area that they're in because
streetscape designs have been done in all different areas of this city. Um I think that where there's a swale there was mentioned go into the swale but if there's and I don't know if this is possible if there's a light pole or an
FPL pole on the sidewalk or swale either one of the locations is it more feasible to say be adjacent if possible if it's within that 300 ft radius is it possible to be adjacent to that pole so that we
don't have a pole pole here, then another pole there. So, at least they're bundled together as much as possible to have to look like less of a pole pollution. >> It it could be possible. And and as I'm I'm going to probably go a little bit
further on and and I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing, but let's say I I'm not going to talk about FPNL polls. We cannot replace no FPNL polls. That's >> no no. But if it's a city pole, we have agreement with the city that, you know,
we can replace that pole, their pole with our pole. If it's a city light, we'll put the light. >> If it doesn't has a light, we don't put the light. But if it's a city pole, we can do it. Unfortunately, with FPNL polls, we can.
>> Okay. So, in other words, like you said, if if there's a close by, let's say, city pole or whatever and we want to move it over there and the city that let's say public works says, "Okay, yeah, go ahead and and you know, we agree on that. We'll go ahead and replace that pole. We want to
>> and I'm not I'm not saying replace it, but be next to whatever poll, be it an FPL pole >> or a city pole, be it a light or whatever, so that >> there isn't a proliferation of polls in that neighborhood. >> Yeah. And back again, I'm thinking on on
the same way you are. It's like I don't want a proliferation of of of polls in there. So, of course, if you have one pole and you want to replace it with one of ours, that's one less pole that you're going to be having in there. >> Well, and it it seems like we're at this
point because the staff has requested certain locations and you've said no >> and so now here we are. >> So, I personally am of that. I mean, we'll talk about the color material that seems to be within our purview. And the second thing would be, you know, as we
go down the list, I would be supportive of all the recommendations that staff has made. If they say like in the 6526 that it needs to be moved, I'm supporting sta I'm going to vote to support staff and this seems to be
binding. And I would hope I mean it seems like between the planning staff and public works that they know too to work with and consolidate the poles to make them as you know to match the colors as best as
possible with the others in the area. You know if it means they need to walk the sidewalks to decide where things go. I just think this is a long list of of points and I I feel like it's sort of beyond
what we usually do. I mean, it's so specific and detailed, but I do think that somebody from the city does need and I'm not sure maybe you've done this already to walk these streets and say this is where it's going to go and this is where it's going to go. And I personally am okay with giving the
authority to staff and you know I and respectful. Of course, we want the technology to work, but at the end of the day, you know, it's it should be deferred to staff. >> Alex Alvarez is, I think, the rightway manager in public works, so I think this
would probably fall within his purview. I don't think we can direct staff to do anything, >> but certainly I think it falls within his his >> he reviewed these. He was okay with >> the locations that were being proposed. he accepted them. >> Um, from a public pro works point of
view, we're looking at it from a different perspective of >> Yeah, I I think that it needs to not just be from a functional perspective. I think it needs to be from a planning perspective of the flow of people and how the sidewalk and lack of >> which are the three locations that you were
>> there's that planning was having a problem with >> was it planning or planning and public works or just >> just planning? Um it was the locations located along Collins Avenue primarily in North Beach >> and then there was one location on Alton Road in South Beach and Sixth Street.
>> Six. Yeah. And why? >> Um the So the the ones in North Beach, they were right on Collins Avenue. Some of them were It sort of seemed like they were in the middle of the of the pedestrian area. Some of we felt that they could either be moved around the corner to a side street where they would be less um less impactful, right?
>> Um though I like the suggestion of the swale. that's that's probably a better better option in these cases. Um and then the one in South Beach, we felt that it could be moved north a little bit where there is a swale um and there are lights in that swale. >> Yeah.
>> Um but there, you know, that in that case, the applicant's indicating that that's not going to function for their for their purposes. >> Okay. So, let them come up with an alternate location. >> It's ironic to me that you're it's okay to put a pole on a sidewalk next to a park, but not take 14 inches of a park
to keep the sidewalk clean. That that makes no sense. >> The I I I I I agree with you, but the issue is that they're allowed to put them in the right of way. So they the state authorized them to put it in the right way. The park is technically not part of the ride ofway. >> So that would be a different process.
Not that it's impossible, but that's, you know, >> I mean, it seems like that that would be a good solution in general. You know, are are the parks owned by the city? >> Are where one specifically are you looking >> the one on six and Alton? There's literally >> Oh, yeah. >> power poles and everything else. Oh yeah,
>> light poles. There's a swale on the south side of Sixth Street that you could put it in, but why it has to go on that 30 ft of sidewalk that's the narrowest is stupid. There there's a big park there. They put park benches, by the way, on the sidewalk blocking it
versus backing it into the park. >> That makes no sense. It's just >> Let me Yeah, I want to go and ask the other I know Myra said for in terms of the color that it should be match with the poles already on the sidewalk, >> the streetscape for that. And I'd like all the other members to weigh in.
Should it just be the aluminum silver color or should it match what's already on the street? >> To me, you stick with aluminum because the state comes in and puts aluminum wherever they want with polls that have nothing to do with our streetscapes. Aluminum is consistent. It's the same thing. It will it will
replace silver, whatever the stainless steel, whatever it is. >> That's consistent throughout the city. And it and there's other there's you're always going to find stainless steel metal in this city. Every I guarantee you every single neighborhood has it. >> And Adam, >> I I'm I'm in agreement with that. I
think consistency is better. And I'll even ask this this question to to you guys. >> Do we We're stuck with these, right? Yeah. Is there I I'm thinking like in South Point Park there are poles and they have
like they have lights on them like they have blue are they blue lights? I'm like >> I don't know. They're they're they're like I don't know if they're I don't think they're street lights. Anyways, my >> they're pedestrian lights. >> My question is is like do we want to
like put a indicator light? Is this something to like I don't I don't want to say celebrate, but like is there a a blue light on it for consistency on the top or or something to make this >> instead of blending in to make it stand? >> Because I'm looking at a drawing that's
like the sightse plan of all of Collins from from 0 to 75. Like that's they're and they're all over around the convention center. Like they're they're they're part of the fabric now. So, okay. So, we'll agree
they'll be they'll be brushed stainless or they'll be powder coated silver, >> but do we want anything else? Do you ever put a a blue indicator light on the top of it or a red like >> people know what it is? Is that drawing too much attention? I'm not saying I think that's a good idea. I'm just I'm
just wondering like does that make it more cheeky or or I don't know. Just throwing that out there, >> right? It could be a hybrid sort of more decorative piece that's it's here as opposed to just something that we're trying to blend, right? Like is there enormous
>> enormous and they're big and is there like an indicator like it's not going to get wrapped in LEDs like during the Christmas time? I I'm like >> could it could? >> I'm like, you know, is there a plaque on it? I don't know. Light was the only thing I could think of. And
>> you're saying if they can be incorporated with existing >> I'm saying we're being shoved these things all over the city. So and all we can decide is on color and aesthetic. So is there anything decorative any other cities you've been forced to put on them? You know or
>> can you go back and do as he says but also incorporate it into some existing structures that are up there for lights. No, I think he's saying the opposite that if we're going to do it, really make it pronounced. But you had said that this design had already been
approved years ago and this is the design and if the city wants to >> but he said incorporated with lights sometimes. >> Well, I was thinking like a a blue light on the top of it or something, >> right? Like neon like on the palm trees on the way into the >> like those are our antennas.
>> This is what happens when you ask designers. >> Yeah. Don't get too don't get too close to it cuz you're going to get cancer, right? Like or something like that. Like look how many beautiful ones we have around the city. I don't know. I just was bringing that up. I don't know if it's a good idea. >> I can respect that. >> Yeah. >> No, I mean I think that anything any
sort of public utility that we put up should have some sort of design decorative element because it would be an amazing, you know, unique thing for the city. But um I feel like maybe we're too far along at this point. >> And you know, most of the streets that they're going on are either state or
county roads. >> So then it has to be approved. So I don't I don't know if you change the streetscape design that they've approved with the city for that area. I don't know how public works probably would know. Do we have to go back to the state
or county because we're not following the streetscape design? I don't know. >> Um Laura, did you have an opinion about the plain aluminum or matching the light poles? >> I think I'm with the plain aluminum. Yeah. I mean, and yeah, >> I don't I'm kind of confused why we're
even hearing this because it sounds like the design's already final. They're going where they're going. So, I >> Yeah, do you have an opinion on do you want to do the aluminum or going with the colors of the other lights on the streets on the street?
>> I think aluminum makes most sense. Okay, >> that's it. >> Match colors until it's >> there uniformity. So, it's hard to have all aluminum. >> Okay. Um, so I think maybe we should get a motion going. I'm going to suggest I
that the direction that we're giving to the staff is to have all the poles be the same aluminum silver color. um and to work with the applicant that I think all of us
agree with your recommendations on the ones that the the poles that were proposed that are either in narrowed sidewalks or there are more obstruction to have them to be moved. So um and I think the direction too is if possible
put them in the swailes and or park spaces >> and could we stay as far away from residential units as possible? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean I would prioritize residential over commercial
as far as keeping them away from >> Right. I think most of these I mean there are a few but most of them are in commercial. Yeah, there was there's a few that were in residential neighborhoods that moving it in one way or another, you're still in a residential neighborhood and so there really we didn't see any good option
there. There were some unccommercial districts that were adjacent to residential buildings and so our recommendation to move it was looking at the residential building from the point of from the from their sightelines from the point of view of their of their sightelines and not wanting to impede their sight lines. Um, and so we were
looking to maybe shift them one way or another to to try to avoid having you block a block a view from a balcony, block a view from an office building. Um, so that's that's what we were looking at. >> Okay. Yeah. No, I feel like we're we're supportive of that. And that applies to to the one that one on 71st Street where
the gentleman called in to say this is blocking the sight line of my store to move it. Um, so what do we approve one by one? What does this motion need to look like?
>> I think based on those conditions, I think you could approve them all on one motion. I mean, I think those conditions would apply to all of them. >> All of them. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it would we would replace our specific recommendation with with this direction, which is to explore
moving them into swailes where possible. um and and away from sight lines. Yeah. Um so >> and if possible parks, >> I mean just because that one on Alton Road six and Alton is directly adjacent to green space. >> That would solve a lot of problems in a
lot of places if you could move it into >> Do you know if that's something I mean that would require the city commission? >> I don't know if it would require the city commission, but it would require the city as property owner to decide to allow the poll in the park. Um, but it's since it's something that you've asked
that you're asking staff to explore, I think it's okay to include. >> Um, >> I mean, I think that there's so much complaints about the clutter on the sidewalks and the right of way is so important, especially when you're dealing with accessibility, that if it can be just inside, it's only 12 ft that
in certain places. I mean, I think that that's in the best interest of the community >> than the outside perimeter of a park, a budding sidewalk within a foot. I mean, it makes no sense >> that that people's are at that bus stop waiting all the time. So, you're already like have lost the entire sidewalk. It's
It's very tight right there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'd recommend that. >> That's a great suggestion. I I we were not happy with that location. So, that's a great idea to move it into. >> That's what we're here for. >> And I understand and and and like it says or whatever. But the thing is if we
are going to the let's say the city park to request permission to install in there that's going to take quite a while time. We are where the purpose for to uh for our client is you know to provide them
the service as quickly as possible. we are we can't wait 1 2 3 4 years until this is resolved or the uh red channels or whatever you want to call it until we get an agreement so then we can build our node so I understand your point of
view on these >> city properties >> but it's it's it if you look at on the right way it's going to take a long time and we cannot afford to be three years down the road then to request for a permit or whatever >> I mean and I think the The idea is that
we understand the applicant has a right to place in the right of way. The board is not requiring the applicant to place in in in a park, but where it's where it's possible and if the city is able to to work with you on some of these that it could be located in. That's how I
read that's how I read the board. >> We're talking about one location. You know, these are we do not have a choice about having these in our city. So, all we're asking is for you to be a good neighbor. this is at least of this one
node um you know and it's moving it >> what I can promise you is that we will work diligently to have probably a better location of the one that we initially uh like uh Roelio said unfortunately north we have a node close by so if if we move
it north it will interfere with that node so we would prefer something they were saying across the street well unfortunately Alton Road has a gazillion of utilities under that road for for us is very costly >> to go under and put it on across the street. >> No, I think if if you're willing to wait
a little bit, then this is the right solution for you guys, for the city, for the community, >> right? What we're going to do is we're going to work something and then we'll present it and if it's acceptable, then I guess we'll take it from there. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It's been year respect. It's been years
since you've been in this process. I don't you know a few more months but you know again I don't want to but that would be much appreciated as a partner with the city. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> It's our pleasure anyhow to working with you. >> Thank you. Um so >> you need a motion.
>> So just based on the direction that you're providing we're going to amend our our condition on um let's see we have a condition. The exterior of the steel pole shall be powder coated finished to match the colors of the nearest light poles and
final exterior color selection uh shall be reviewed and approved by staff. We're going to modify that based on the direction that I'm hearing. Um, the steel pole shall be in a natural metal color and shall not be powder coated. Um, >> or painted >> or painted
>> and placed when possible in swale areas. >> And then that's the >> and not in the center of a storefront >> in the and then the next condition that we have is related to the location. So we'll place it moved if possible into swale and away from blocking uh sight
lines if possible between property lines >> away from blocking um business entrances. >> Right. >> And if possible in a park >> we agree. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Beautiful. Um, so I guess we'll need a motion. Um, we can accept a motion to approve all all nine of them. Um, with those modifications if that works. >> Motion to approve. >> Oh, I think your microphone.
>> A motion to approve all nine >> recommendations with the following. >> All right, we have a motion. Do we have a second? >> I'll second with all the conditions we said. I'll second it. >> Okay. All those in favor?
>> I. >> Any opposed? >> Okay. Motion passes. And just for the record, that's DRB251 1127. Um DRB 25 1128, DRB25 1130, DRB 25131,
DRB 25132, DRB25 1133, DRB25 1134, DRB25 1135, and DRB 25136. Going once, going twice. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. I hope that you have happy holidays. >> You too. Thank you. Likewise.
>> Okay. Our final uh DRB 25140710 Collins Avenue. >> Thank you to everybody who's been waiting so patiently to get to this point.
This application has been filed requesting design review approval for the construction of a new five-story apartment hotel including one or more waiverss to replace an existing building. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to split that. >> Okay. So, this is an application uh for a new apartment hotel building. It is in
the RM1 district. It's in one of the um the RM1 district is generally a multif family district. However, there is one area of the city where it does allow for hotels and that is in North Beach for properties fronting Collins Avenue and Harding Avenue um uh north of 73rd
Street, I believe, to the city line. Um this area also is uh is an area of the city where the RM1 district has a slightly higher F than what is allowed um in most other RM1 districts. In most other RM1 districts, the F is 1.25. In
this case, it's 1.4. Um so the applicant is proposing a uh a hotel. >> I was >> um the hotel has um 14 hotel uh it's an apartment hotel. I apologize. It has one apartment unit and
it has 14 hotel units. Um the based on the dimensions of the lot, they are not required to provide parking. However, they are providing nine spaces. They received approval on Tuesday from the planning board uh to provide mechanical lift parking stackers. Um
they incorporated conditions on the operations of that. Um ensuring that there's no noise and that there's no other issues related to that. Um so that's and that's that's approved. Um so this this proposal uh this is for the design review approval. Um the um parcel
fronts the west side of Collins Avenue. It's an interior lot. It's located adjacent to two uh two residential buildings um of a similar scale. This building might be a few a little bit taller, but they're all of a similar scale. Um the the building is in a
contemporary modern aesthetic. Uh the facades consist of glass balconies, glass fiber reinforced concrete fascia. Um aluminum wood ter um the underside of the balconies have aluminum wood finishes um which soften the design. The second and the third floor terraces
contain open air cutthroughs which reduce the mass of the building. Um and then the fourth and the fifth floors are stepped back to further reduce the mass of the building from from Collins Avenue. Um the rooftop um is also uh set
back somewhat. It has a um um a pool available for the guests of the of the building and for the uh for the residents and their invited guests. The main entrance lobby is oriented towards Colin Avenue. Uh provides direct
access for pedestrians and for for vehicles being dropped for drop off. Um however, the parking is accessed exclusively from the alley in the rear. Um so they will they will be getting into the the first floor parking area through the rear. Um the the building
also has uh bicycle parking areas. Um and they have um um also parking for scooters. Um they will be providing all the parking will be exclusively through valet. Um and so the the transportation department reviewed the application and
they have included uh a couple of conditions that I'll that I'll read into the record that are in the draft order. and that's that this that the applicant shall coordinate with the city of Miami Beach transportation and mobility department to implement an acceptable transportation demand management implementation plan per the TDM strategies outlined in their in their
most recent traffic impact statement of October 25th part of the issuance of a building permit. The applicant shall commit to providing a minimum of one valet attendant during the site's AM and PM peak periods respectively. The number of attendance should be adjusted when higher than normal peak demands are encountered to accommodate all vehicular
cues on site. And then the applicant shall commit to providing valet service 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Um, and that's a requirement of the code when you're using mechanical parking because the average person wouldn't wouldn't have the the ability to be able
to operate those. Um, so with that, um, staff does recommend that the, uh, that the application be approved subject to the conditions in the attached draft order. >> Are there any disclosures? >> Okay. Good afternoon. Matt Amster with the law firm at Burke Howard Del
Fernandez Larkin and Tapenz offices at 200 South Biscane Boulevard in Miami. Here today representing 7710 Collins Avenue LLC. Um and from that is uh Andre and Alex Melnik. Um we also have a
design team. Um it's both Kobe Karp's office and Yodazine. Um and so from Kobe Karp's office we have Matthew Bquard and uh from Yodazine we have uh Edwin Prada on the left and Robin Enzen. Um we have
uh landscape architect Jose Fernandez Alvarez apologies. Um our traffic engineer, we've seen him earlier today, Adrien Dabcowski. Uh and uh on on Zoom we should have our u mechanical lift uh expert although we went and had
that heard on Tuesday uh in an abundance of caution. We wanted to make sure that uh we had that expert online. And then my colleague from the firm uh Mitch Toian passed out um our letters of support. Um we have a presentation if
that could be called up please. Um, I want to just mention uh that uh Andre and uh his wife live nearby have uh have a 20 years plus family experience with
operating hotels in Ukraine and Croatia uh and are looking to now um take that experience and elevate this area of North Beach with a small luxury boutique hotel. uh they will be uh overseeing the
management and hopefully this will be one of many uh such um great operations. Um if you could go to the next slide that's our context. Um you know as Reelia was mentioning there are um hotel
and apartment hotel as an allowed use. The area is uh mainly residential. Um but uh north and south of us, we have uh a few, not just the two adjacent uh five-story buildings. And also south of 77th Street, that large building there
is actually 11 stories tall. Um but also please note that this uh lot itself very narrow, only 50 ft wide. Um and this is an area that you know for many years has seen little development. So, it's a great benefit that uh this type of use
and this quality building and operation is being proposed to help revitalize the area. Uh we shared our letters of support. We have a few people who will speak in support. Um but also there was a a neighbor meeting um prior to both of these applications being heard and our
team did go um to present the project and answer questions. If you go to the next slide, please. So, here's just the existing uh buildings themselves. On the left is the front uh on Collins uh two-story
building there today. Uh the the right side is a small one-story building on the alley. Uh the alley will be the only entrance to for vehicular access to the property. There won't be any curb cut added to Collins. Uh you can see these
are uh sort of lackluster substandard buildings. uh and they have in the past um been uh the subject of homeless uh activity and the owner has received you
know some damage and trash dumping. They've made sure to have a tenant now that takes care of the place, keeps it beautiful. Um and uh and yet you know this this is not the a truly best in uh project to continue with this uh our
proposed project. um will have uh attendant at all times and be uh beautifification of the neighborhood and therefore be a much safer situation for everyone. And next slide. Um just to show you the brown areas in this RM1
district are the ones that um are allowed to have apartment hotel or hotel uses. Uh next slide. And I think I've made mention and and Velio did too. you know, we have decentiz hotel units, one apartment. The apartment is intended to
be the manager of the facility and um we did go through and have lots of operations already approved. Um and the traffic transportation staff did review for our uh Tuesday's planning board hearing. Uh was a unanimous approval and I will speak to a few additional
conditions at the end. I'm going to turn it over to Matthew. Thank you very much. Matthew Peard with Kobe Carp Architects, 571 Northwest 28th Street. Uh, as mentioned, this is a 14 room uh apartment hotel complex with one uh unit
that will be residential use and that'll be for most likely the management of the hotel that'll stay on property. Um, we are providing eight uh parking spaces that are on four mechanical lifts and one ADA parking space as required per
code. And as Matt said, uh we will have 247 valet operation. Um excuse me, which means we'll have uh a 247 eyes and ears uh on the property and on the street. Um here we have uh a contextual site plan
just to show you where we uh are. We're flanked to the north and the south by fivetory buildings. Actually, the entire block has fivetory buildings. Uh, as Roilio uh mentioned, this property will be slightly taller than the neighboring buildings, and that's due to the um uh
floodplane new codes where we do have to have those added heights. So, we are just a slightly taller than the neighboring properties, but we are technically still at the same height elevation as proof per per code. Um, and as you can see, we think that uh we
really fit in pretty well here into the context of the neighborhood. Uh, the the this this uh block was redeveloped about 15 years ago, 20 years ago, and we're just completing that missing tooth uh that was in that lot as you could see from
the existing conditions. Um, here we have a uh contacts facing uh northwest. As you can see, uh to the south of the block, there's a much larger eight-story building uh no longer allowed in the district, but you can see
uh north and south of our site and the block to the north. Uh all five stories all contextually um fitting in there. And you can see I don't know if I can point with the mouse. Yeah. No, >> just I'll have to use the mouse. Yeah,
right there where the hand is. I don't know if you can see it. Yeah, right there. That's our lot. Uh we did it in gray so it stands out a little bit um from the uh the neighboring buildings. Um here it is again, a view facing west
uh contextually so you can understand how it fits within the fabric of the existing uh block there. And here's another view from the southeast looking towards the ocean. And again, I can point out the mouse.
There's a little 7710 Collins marker there as if you can see it on the screen. Um, this is the existing context. As I said, as you can see, there's that missing tooth, the little twostory building that sits right there as it sit as it stands today. And now currently
we'll be uh filling in that missing gap there. Here again, this is our building uh shown in massing in relationship to the neighbors. Um, one thing that we really wanted to focus on and you can kind of see here and you'll see further in the
renderings is how we um relate to the street to Collins, how we open it up. Currently, this block has basically no building frontage to it. It's a wall. Our neighbor to the north is a wall. The neighbor to the south opens up to 77th. Will be one of the only properties that
has a front door. finally on this block with glass and in a lobby that opens up to the street that allows that kind of eyes and ears on the street to kind of really keep the public, you know, aware that we're there and it'll be manned 24/7, which is which is great for the
block. Here's another view to give you an idea of the relationship between the buildings. Um, and as you can see, as Raelio said very well, he kind of gave gave away all my my parts of the presentation, but we did want to have these large cantalievering balconies,
and you can see the gap there uh over the entry to kind of reduce the impact of the balconies, but still have those cantalievers there. So, articulating the facade in a way to to alleviate um the width of the building even though it's very narrow and a very narrow lot.
Um this this exhibit here is just showing you the spacing. Uh we do have a nice spacing to the north and you'll see our building orients itself to that north. Um because to the south we're very close to our neighboring building. They have a small setback as do we and
there are restrictions there um due to fire separation and openings as required per code. And so it really forces us to push the building facing north more than south even though we do have some fenestration on the south side. Uh here
again is the view as you can see that uh opening in the balcony and on the rendering on the right you can see the balcony stepping back away from Collins to make the building less imposing uh but yet still maintaining those large cantalivver balconies for this luxury
hotel that we're we're looking to build. And as we we Roelio said, um we're using um aluminum cladding. We do have a material board here that we can pass around if you guys want to see with some GFRC glass railings, luscious landscape.
Uh and I'll get to the landscape and the elevations. And on the southern on the northern elevation there, as you can see on the side, uh we do have that blank wall. That is where we are maintaining our parking. And in order to the lifts and as part of the the way to reduce the
amount of sound and impact to the neighbors, it's fully enclosed in concrete blocks so that there will be no sound or anything there. And that's uh where we located the the lifts. And so we clad that all in aluminum. Um here's another view of of that for you to see
on the right there. And um on that north facade, that building to the north of us does have their balconies sticking out. They basically face our lot. So we did, as you can see here, kept all our terraces in board to the building,
indenting them. We turned the facade uh we angled it away from the neighbors to maintain at least a sense of privacy because if we just built a block, we'd just be everyone would be facing each other. So we wanted to turn all the units and provide a peekab-oo view as
well to the ocean because we do face those single family residential and on the upper floors we will get views of the ocean slightly. Um here we have the elevations. Again I think if we want to pass around the materials maybe do you
want to pass? Thank you Edwin. Um this is the call out. We've clouded the entire facade. Uh, I think it's it's uh Do you want to Yeah, we can bring it home. >> Yeah, we've clad the entire facade. It's it's
a very rich uh building in the sense of the materiality that we're doing here. Um here's the um north facade. This is without the landscaping, but we do have a very luscious landscape plan that we want to implement on this project. not
only at the ground floor but a little bit throughout the building and on the rooftop. Um here it is with the landscaping. As you can see, we really um want to maintain as much as possible this green luscious Florida uh style
with as many native plants here. Uh this is the south elevation again with the landscaping. Um we'll keep going. Here are the materials. Give him a minute. >> Yeah.
>> Um, here we have an illustrative site plan. As you can see on the rooftop, we will be having a uh pool top amenity. This is meant to be a luxury hotel, so there does have to be a pool for the uh the guests to use. Uh we did put uh hourly restrictions at the planning
board to make sure that uh there wouldn't be any noise on the rooftop. No, uh uh speakers are going to be allowed to be put up there. And there will be restricted hours. I don't know exactly the >> Yeah. um 7 am to 10 pm. >> And as he said, no external speakers
that already is uh and it's only for hotel guests and the residents, not uh for the public. >> And just as a side note, since we're on this uh there's no food and beverage, there's no lounge, there's no bar, no um amenity of that nature. It's really just
this small little um roof deck area that we've already have our uh restrictions to not be a nuisance. Go ahead. Uh this is the uh ground floor plan. Uh again, I'll quickly walk you through it. We have our front desk uh lobby
reception. Uh we have our short-term uh uh bicycle parking. Then we have an enclosed long-term bicycle parking. We have some scooter parking. We have the enclosed uh lifts. We have one ADA. And then we have our um maneuverability space that was done by Adrian behind me.
Um and our access on the alley which is all the way on the left. Um this is our typical uh layout. Uh the rooms range 400 and change to they get larger but a few get larger. Um these are all suite
hotels. That's the intent. So they do have a small kitchenet uh luxurious bathrooms, a living room space and a uh uh sleeping area or bedroom. Um the building does step back a little as
we we um go up taller. The footprint gets smaller. Um you can see the the dash lines on the plan. But I'll just skim through these. Um but as you can see, they all have these large terraces to the front. It really
is meant to be luxury uh you know, hotel apartment. And then we get to our rooftop. This is the landscape plan. if you have any questions. We do have our landscape architect here um for both the ground and and the rooftop. And then um
we this is our screening that we are utilizing to hide all of the u maneuverability space so that cars the lights won't bother the neighbors. It'll all be contained within the footprint of the building as you saw previously in
the plan uh and will be screened from uh view. And this is a view of that circulation space uh underneath the building. A little axon for you to see and then the details on the lift that we got approved at uh planning board. So just to
quickly finish here the as far as operations again that was mainly handled on Tuesday. Um but for you all to know right it's 24/7 valet. There will always be someone on on the property um which helps for management of the hotel as
well. Um, we do not actually need to provide any hotel parking at all. So, we are choosing to put the parking inside the property as a benefit to not just the guests of the hotel, but for the neighborhood. You have parking on
property, which is rare and not common in in uh new developments because of the incentive to not have it. And this means that there won't be people having to go find parking on the street and take it away from uh other people. And uh it's right on the property. All of the valet
operation happens inside our property. You come you drive through the to the alley to the property and you drop off your car inside the garage area and then you pick it back up right inside the garage area. There are no trips for valet to go through the street network
to bring the car from some satellite location back to here. So very streamlined. Loading operations also will happen on site. That is a condition of our planning board approval. So the truck will basically reach, you know, come from the alley back into our
property and then do the I I can't imagine loading will be extensive here at such a small facility, but that also will be um on the property and not affect transportation through the alley. If you go to the next slide, uh we did mention that we've restricted hours on
the pool deck. There's no external speakers, which is another condition already in that order. Um, and we did agree also that the mechanical lifts shall not be plainly audible to our neighbors. Again, the the lifts are inside a totally enclosed area and the rest of the parking area as required by
code is properly screened. Um, this is a a good project for urban infill, right? Completing the the open space essentially that um Matthew was telling you about. And this will definitely help to revitalize the area. Um, it's a
compact property. compact development. We don't have any variances, no waiverss. It's a hard feat for something of this nature. We are a resilient project. As Matthew was mentioning, our whole ground level just completely is the parking and the lobby. No units. Our
units are actually significantly higher, not just from base flat elevation, but even above maximum freeboard. So, very, very resilient. Um, and with that, we respectfully request your approval and save time for rebuttal.
>> Thank you very much. Are there any other members of the public wishing to speak? Please come forward. >> Yeah. >> Good afternoon. My name is Remy Conford. My wife and I have owned a unit at 7728
Collins for about 15 years. Um, when we bought the unit, we obviously saw the vacant lot. We saw what was there and we realized at some point it was going to be redeveloped. It only made sense to do that. Um, had we known
it was going to be redeveloped as a hotel, we would have never bought the condominium. We see no benefit to our community despite the polyana scenario that I just heard to having a hotel midblock between
two residential buildings. Totally out of character for 76th Street, 77th Street, 78th Street. There's no benefit. It's a negative. It'll affect our property values negatively.
Um it'll increase security concerns. It'll introduce congestion despite what the transportation department said. Um, Collins Court is an extremely narrow alley. The existing buildings all feed
come in for ingress and egress on Collins Court. This is just there are already problems with, you know, delivery or trash pickup and congestion on Collins Court. This is going to exacerbate the congestion.
people that are, you know, leaving the condominium garages trying to get to work are going to have to deal with trash pickup probably. Um, you know, laundry service vehicles, the parking that was approved, you're
probably going to have to back cars out of the structure into the alley and juggle them around. We see no benefit to having this project. Number one, that's so I think it's an I see it as a
non-conforming use. Um, excuse me, but my my phone just froze. Um, a hotel is going to be a 247 operation. So, we're going to have more noise pollution, more light pollution,
>> more more air pollution. >> You officially run out of time, but would you like another 30 seconds? >> Okay. One one quick one quick thing because I did submit an email. Um, the petitioner and the owner on the plans
are two different entities. I think it has to be corrected legally. I don't think it's proper to do that. I think we have to do this all over again. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Next person wishing to speak, please come forward. >> Hello, I'm Pat.
>> You're going to have to speak into the microphone. >> I thought my voice would be loud enough. I'm sorry. Okay. >> Hello, I'm Pat Reel. Um, I share a residence there with my uh son-in-law JP Rodriguez. It's unit six. So, I'd be one of the ones very close to that. Um, I'm looking at and I can tell you and everybody knows that section of Collins
is really a thoroughare almost. Speed picks up from about 75th Street and there has been uh a friend of mine who lost their vehicle parked out in front. So, coming in and out of that when you park on the left side is dangerous to begin with. their car was hit at 9:00 at
night on a Friday night and total their car. So the idea of safety there I'm very concerned about along that section of highway. That's a piece of highway that is posted speed probably of 30 miles an hour. The probably average speed of people going down there is
probably 45 miles an hour. Okay. So that is a tough ingress for people coming in and out especially since there's no way the property is so narrow. When I first started coming here, I looked at that property and said, "But it was so narrow you couldn't do much with it." And I was
always wondering why it was stuck there and left like that. Um, so that's one of the concerns and I know it's a very difficult project to see through and do. Um, some of the things about the design when you look south there, everything's white as you go through the tendency
from about 70, what is that? 75th Street almost all the way from 72nd all the way up are white fat facades on the buildings at all. This one's going to stand out as quite different um which would be this board's plan. Um everything else there is pretty much a white and blue um and trying to stay
with that color scheme and such is something I would like to see to that. Um you know I like to maintain the safety of you know I sorry I didn't get to take in the plans earlier and see what they were about. Um you know I didn't get to see the design. and I just came to my attention all this on
Tuesday. So I like thank the board for their time and hope you guys hear what I have to say. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Next person. Okay. >> Hello. Uh thank you very much. Uh my name is Elizabeth Confory. Uh married to
Raymond Conford over there. And um um I'm concerned um because I feel like this is a the the reason why they're doing a hotel is so that they can have short-term rentals in uh a legal sense.
Um that they're not for two weeks or a month or 3 months and get around the six month and a day criteria, you know, the limits that are in a regular residential hotel. So, an irregular residence. Um,
you know, there's a lot of things other can say, but I don't remember what they are. So, you know, um, >> take a breath. Uh, yeah, I know you're waiting a while. So, >> yeah, the whole the whole day. Um, uh, anyway, um, I'm concerned about the
landscaping because, uh, you know, landscaping is great, but our property is on the southern exposure of the property. So, we will be facing the hotel and uh I noticed that there's a
lot of going to be a lot of landscape and trees get really big and it could we right now have an ocean front. I mean, we have an ocean view right now. we have an ocean view and so depending upon how the how the building is put and how you
know how big it is and how wide it is uh we will be right there and if there's a lot of landscaping then we will lose our view and I know that's not really that's not a big deal in the scheme of things but for us it's important you know so
anyway I'll stop now thank you thank you very much for your thoughts any anybody else are is there oh please come forward Hello, my name is Jay. I lived in neighborhoods since 2010. So, I started at 7837
Abbott Avenue and currently I'm 6610 Indian Creek Drive. So, what I would like to say about this neighborhood, uh, 15 years ago, it was really scary place, especially in the park. It was shootings and it was scary. So currently
it's much better. It's you know safety rose up but I I think this hotel would bring the value. Why? Why? Because considering having surfside and hotels luxury hotels I don't I don't see
anything bad related to public safety and some some other concerns. So it's not just regular like three stars hotel. So I think this would bring the value to the neighborhood and as long as safety.
Thank you so much. >> Thank you very much. Um anybody else wishing to speak come forward. >> Good afternoon members of the board. I'm Sandra Payne and I reside at 6700 Indian Creek Drive.
Miami Beach is my home. My children, my family, my pets. I'm on the beach every day running, playing beach volleyball. And I really love our community and I love our businesses and I believe that this hotel is a great asset to our
neighborhood. Ocean Terrace is being developed between 74th and 75th and what they've done there with the landscaping is beautiful. A meditating garden and our community needs that. So, um, aesthetically it's beautiful. It
reflects the park's vision, what the city has done to remodel the park, which is right across the street, and I believe it's going to add a lot of value to our city. And in addition to our businesses in our city that they really
need this, they need a higher uh value caliber hotel for their businesses that we need to think of them as well. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Is there anybody else? Please come forward.
>> Thank you. Can I read? Sorry. Good afternoon. Members of the board, my name is Andre Mik, my wife Alexandra and we are the owner of the property at 7710 Collins and I am also the developer of this project which is a gem of the
community which value. Thank you for giving me the chance to speak today. I want to say that I have a lot of respect of the city of Miami Beach and for the work you do. I also believe that North Beach is one of the best and most promis
area in Miami. This is exactly why we decision to invest in this neighborhood. With this in mind, I want to explain what our project is and what is not. And shortly, our project is be uh boutique
luxury hotel. It is designed to be quiet, elegant and high quality of neighborhood. It is not nightclub. It is not bar. It's not place for party. Miami Beach is now for familyfriendly, calm and beautiful
environment. And our project follow the same idea that I will respect. Now let me explain the condition of the seat today and what we plan to bring to this block. Before we bought this project, this seat was in poor sight, was in poor
condition. There were homeless people staying there and trash was left on the ground. It did not add any value to our neighborhood. We are maintainingly the seat and have a tenant, but this is not best for long term for the community. We
hired Kobe car, one of the most respectful architecture in Miami. The design and facade are inspired by famous boutique hotel like fyen beautiful artics and ununic. This project is also very important for us personally. We
wanted to do be a business card for our developer work sometimes that show our style our quality and our long-term vision. We will personally oversee management of this and we have a management there.
Our goal is to build something that improve the entire block and make the neighborhood looks better and feel better. At the city of Miami Beach, investor over 1 million in North Beach. We want to be with them.
And last, we are invested our money, time, and reputation in this project. We want to bring beauty, safety, economic value in this block. We want to build something this neighborhood can be proud of. Today I kindly respectfully ask for your
support. Thank you for giving me a time. Sorry for my reading. >> No, thank you very much. >> Anybody else? Is there anybody online? Okay, good. >> We do have a few hands raised online. The first is Zayn Thompson. >> Zayn, do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. You have two minutes. >> Thank you. Uh, so my name is Zayn Thompson. I am an attorney uh at the law firm of Hubard Central and Parzinelloo and my firm represents the Vilmer
Condominium Association and we submitted a seven-page letter with detailed objections and we are requesting uh that our letter and objections are considered uh today by by the board. Um I also
heard a statement from Mr. Ray Confory. And just to add to that that I I agree with him with respect to where if the uh owner entity and the entity of the petitioner um if those are different
then I would submit that that renders the application defective andor improper. And so with that said, thank you for your time today. >> Thank you. >> Next is uh Charlotte Light.
Charlotte, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> You can. >> Hi, my name is Charlotte Light. I live at uh 7728 Collins Avenue. I live in the building that's directly north of the
proposed development. Um I've had the pleasure of listening to this meeting since 9:00 a.m. this morning. I really thank everyone for their time. And I heard someone on the board say at around 10:00 a.m. that there's a small faction of North Beach residents that are like super anti-development. And I just want
to assure you that we do not represent those people. We've lived in the neighborhood for years. We are highly invested in the development and the growth of this neighborhood. And we have been waiting for something to happen for
this lot on 7710 Collins for years. Um, so we welcome something new. We just don't welcome something new that doesn't fit with the rest of the neighborhood. Um, what we would love to see and what we respectfully request is, um, a, you
know, a beautiful condo, keep the development, but please consider keeping it regular residential housing like everyone else on the block. So that would mean a six-month and a day lease minimum. Um, I do want to say I I'm
curious why two people who live over 10 blocks away have, you know, dedicated their entire day to um look at the um the approval of this project. I I don't know what incentives are there, if
any. It's it's kind of baffling to me that there are people that are willing to spend their entire day who don't even live near the surrounding area um in in support of this. Um that's about it. Thank you. >> Thank you very much.
>> Next we have Kristen Spellain. >> Kristen, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. >> Hi board members. Uh, my name is Kristen Splain. I'm a very proud resident of North Beach. I live at 7728 Collins A.
I'm a member of the board and I live immediately north of this property. I have a few reasons um that I'd like to go through with you why I am here to respectfully but firmly oppose this petition. First off, the use is fundamentally incompatible with the block. You heard this from a few people
before me. While RM1 zoning may allow a hotel as a conditional use, this portion of Collins A has long functioned as a quiet, lowdensity residential corridor. Every adjacent building is residential. A transient lodging use midb block would introduce activity, turnover, and
impacts that simply do not align with the character and functioning of this neighborhood. Second, the proposed access and parking plan is not operationally or safely feasible. The planning board earlier this week approved mechanical parking without clear information on emergency access
circulation or how a single lane alleyway could support all hotel activity. We heard references earlier today. I also said I've been on this meeting since 9:00 a.m. about those maneuverability studies for other projects. I have not been I have not seen any for this proposal. I'm not
aware of any independent verification that this alley can safely serve as the sole point of ingress and egress. This alley you also heard from other folks is already constrained. Now add guests, staff, ride share vehicles, service trucks, housekeeping, maintenance, and
deliveries. And then imagine that same lane in an emergency. Until the applicant produces credible studies and data, the safety and viability of this plan remain in serious doubt for me. Third, stewardship concerns are real. This ownership group has already been cited for a zoning violation. That
history raises legitimate concerns and questions about long-term compliance and whether a hotel or apartment hotel would be responsibly operated in such a sensitive location. If the developer is truly invested in North Beach, as he claims, a high quality residential
building would far exceed the benefits of a hotel. I have a couple more points. I'm going to keep it short. Um, this program suggests the short-term rental intent. You heard earlier from folks. We'd love to be able to anchor on the 6 months to a day. Um, and to close out residents, as you've heard from others,
we are not opposed to redevelopment. We are opposed to this use. A highquality residential projects would strengthen this corridor without the noise, the traffic, and the operational burdens of a hotel. Um, claims from other residents who live 10 blocks away, that this hotel
would improve park safety, homelessness, other local business activity are not supported by evidence. Stable residential occupancy provides far stronger neighborhood stewardship than a high Twitter over lodging. Finally, to close this out, I want to directly tie this back to the design review board's
mandate. You all are charged with safeguarding design quality, compatibility, public safety, and neighborhood stability. Even if a use is technically permissible, you must determine whether it fits and the operational reality of the block. Here it clearly does not. You all understand
how massing, circulation, noise, and operational patterns shape real neighborhoods. You have consistently required clear final plans, not shifting proposals. And you've protected residential character when products pose projects pose undue burdens. You have
also have the responsibility to consider long-term stewardship, which is uncertain here. This board was created to ensure that development enhances rather than destabilizes Miami Beach neighborhoods. A five-story transient lodge in use in the middle of a lowdensity residential block in which we
are proud to be citizens of is completely incompatible with this character's character and with your mandate as a board. So I would respectfully ask that you deny this petition and require a use that truly fits. Thank you. >> Thank you very much.
>> Next we have Celeste Goldfarb. >> Celeste, >> do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. >> Thank you. You have two minutes. >> Hello. Um, my name is Celeste Goldfire. I live on the next block on 7824
Collins Avenue. I am not as prepared as all the rest of the residents. But I want to also oppose the hotel. I've lived here for 14 years. I have dogs and children that use the alley to go to
school and this would make the whole neighborhood not conducive to the residents. Also, the beach, the beach is already so crowded. And my third point is that we have one of the most historic residential and
rich neighborhoods in front. So we have to protect Altos Delmare also and everything that is around us. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Anybody else? >> Next we have
>> iPhone PN 2. iPhone Pen 2. Can you unmute yourself and state your name? No. Okay, I guess we're okay. Yep, they disappeared. >> Okay. And there are no other >> no other hands raised.
>> Okay, thank you very much. Um, are you coming up for a rebuttal or can we >> If I may, I'll keep it brief. I mean, I first want to say that our our whole team is here. If you do have questions, I think it would be appropriate to have our traffic engineer come up and speak.
We have our landscape architect in a minute. Let's let them I want to let them do the guidance. But, um, for a few items that I think are very important to address, our application is 100% proper. the property owner is
support you know it gets to a person who is a appropriate authorized signatory as submitted we have a full disclosure in our application I don't know where people are thinking that there is a misrepresentation but we have a fully uh
appropriate application signature disclosure of interest um submitted properly in the record for quite a number of months now um This apartment hotel is a permitted use. We are not here. It is not subject to
any special approval. There's no conditional use needed for it. It is allowed and it's not under the purview of this board. It wasn't under the purview of the planning board either to say yay or nay to the use. Now,
operations have gotten extensively uh reviewed and discussed. the Adrian did a traffic study vetted by the city's transportation department and their consultant. There were a number of rounds and comments and that all um
resulted in a uh appropriate uh you know successful supportive uh letter from the transportation department. A few uh conditions which Raelio read into the record which are actually already in the draft order. Those same conditions are
in our planning board order as well. Um that is for the operation that is for this apartment hotel small as it is 14 units with one residence. Um that is all been vetted and the only special request that we had was for the mechanical lifts
and that has been vetted and approved. That had lengthy criteria also staff reviewed that um and we are in full compliance. So and a hotel is a hotel. A hotel lets you um you know rent for whatever period of time as any hotel
that you go to. That's different than a short-term rental. We have a one residence. That would be where a short-term rental could happen. That's for our management. Um we're not planning for that to be a short-term rental. But again, there's hotel versus residents condo apartments that could do
short-term rentals and have in some places. That is not what's happening here. It's a >> a bonafide hotel for those 14 units. >> Um >> as far and one sorry >> yeah I was I'm sure there's going to be more discussion if
>> one yeah one more thing was uh yes there was this owner has had the property for a year and a half there was a violation when the homeless came on and uh uh created a trash problem. They addressed this immediately and that violation is no longer, you know, valid and it was
properly closed out and they have a tenant there that is there for safety but also uh keeping up the landscaping of the property and keeping it as beautiful as they can. So it they haven't had any problems since. So I do not think that there is a stewardship problem. They took it took they had a
problem. They addressed it right away. That's what everybody should be doing. And uh with that, our team is here to uh help you with any other information that you have. >> Thank you very much. Oh, um I don't think I'm going to close the public
portion. It was there anything in particular that you hadn't just if you could just do one minute and then >> Okay, >> you're going to need to come to the microphone, but it just has to be quick because I'm trying to wrap this up. The petitioner was 77
um Collins Avenue LLC. The plans, and I don't know how to pronounce this, was Myra Capital LLC. They're not the same companies. It needs to be redone. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. I'm now closing
the public portion and opening up to the board for discussion. Um Adam, would you like to start? >> Thank you. Um, okay. I will start with
the alleyway. The alleyway is is an allowed use for servicing the building. Didn't need any special permission to use the alleyway as a as a as an egress. It's actually the
preferred use by city staff for us to access uh as much as possible through the alleyway. Um this is actually an FDOT uh street. So actually getting access that close to the intersection is fairly uh complicated. So I think uh
access from the alley as much as possible just like all the neighboring buildings as you heard testimony from all the neighbors they all use the alley. all the buildings access from the alley ingress and egress and that is a more I think preferred >> yeah I just wanted to know if it was I
just wanted to clear it that it was not something that was a special request that this makes it makes sense to me um I'll get into into design >> um it is a nice building reminds me of some some other other projects um I do
think there's a lot of wood >> vertical horizontal um and on the ground level. And you know, there were some some public comments about the the pallet being not
quite fitting in. But I'm curious on on your your choice to use so much cl wood cladding, dark wood cladding on all these places. Is there, you know, is there a design? Well, I think as we, you know, as you see
architecture change in this city, uh, it has, you've seen projects come around as such as Fyena and and other projects throughout that are using more materiality than the standard stucco that you see throughout the city. And so, in this case, we really wanted to
bring in something that had a lot more texture and a lot more richness to the facade uh, than just that plain white stucco that you see across the board. uh that that was kind of the 2000 to 2010 signature uh modern uh Miami Beach
style. So, it's really trying to bring this elevate this design to a different level. >> Yeah, it seemed it's it do you mind if I >> I first I want to applaud you for what I think is a very thoughtful design. Um,
this is a small parcel and overall my impression is this is very thoughtful, especially how you oriented um the rooms on the side facing the ocean as opposed to the neighbors which was a concern of mine when I did a site visit. Um, I
agree with Adam, you know, and I should also overall the building feels a little heavy to me. Um, and I do think it it has a lot to do with the pallet. Um, I think that as a gesture, a canal lever
is one of my favorites. Um, and because it plays with a sense of lightness and support, um, and weight. And so the impression that I'm getting from this design, especially say especially on the the Collins Avenue elevation, but in
general, is overall the building feels really heavy to me. And um it seemed like that was something that staff had picked up when they had encouraged a sort of niche on the front. I don't know if it's because the um the banding is so thick. Um I don't know if it's a
combination of the thick bands and the dark wood in so many places, but um that was just my impression of what was happening here. Um, and and I agree with Adam that there was a lot of I understand that now what is I understand
that the buildings that are surrounding it are very like that was that was what the fashion was and now it seems like every structure that we see has this faux wood paneling situation. Um, but I feel like
yeah, I'd love to see an alternative. I I mean I I go back and forth because on the one hand there is something very simple and elegant about it um that the palette is so reduced but it's also a lot of dark wood paneling. Um, do you
have I I do you have a rendering of the south elevation where we see a lot of the north because I believe that there's even more sections of woodclad walls on the south.
>> Is that the south on the north? >> I think they're both the north. >> See, I think they're both >> Yeah, >> cuz if I'm not wrong, on the south there's less venration. Yes, on the south there is less uh fenistration. Uh that is where our core
sits and it's adjacent to the neighbor and they too the neighbor on the south have a limited very limited uh openings that are allowed per code. I think we're limited to 15% based on the setback that we have to the property line. So just like our neighbor to the south, they
have these tiny little punched windows. We just have some we have large floor to ceiling windows limited by the um >> the fenestration. Now we'd be you know we we could study um alternate kind of color palettes with the the cladding but
we do want this building to be clad and not stuck out. We do want it to have that quality that you see with the the the cladding. Right now we're proposing this metal uh panel cladding. I think that's really the the main intent there is that it it needs to have that
richness and that level of construction and quality um that that we're starting to see more and more on Miami Beach with all the new projects that are being proposed. Um you know, the color palette that that material that's there, that aluminum, it comes in different shades
and different colors and palettes. I mean, we'd be happy to work with staff and um you know, come to something that's that's slightly different to give it a little bit of alternating pattern uh throughout the elevation there. I mean, it this is just, you know, our our
preferred version and really it kind of reminds us of those these beautiful luxury homes that you see built that are all clad with the wood. Yes, you start to see a lot. It is the trend. >> Put it very much. It is the trend and it is very popular and it does kind of scream that richness that we're looking
for. Um >> yeah. No, that's I mean that was what you know and like I said I think it's very sensitively designed and and yeah I don't know if there's just opportunities or like I I don't think I would change. I think if anything it's that it's all
the same. Maybe there needs to be a little bit of variation at least on the bottom floor. But again, it has an elegance to it that, you know, I want you to be able to maintain. So, I don't know. Um, Laura, do you have any other Oh, sorry.
>> Yeah. No, we were just kind of thinking through what the with the bottom maybe more incorporating the travertine stone or something on the first floor could kind of lighten. >> I Yeah, it's this is very >> There was the materials that you all
passed around. There was a stone. if some of that can be incorporated into what Laura and Lester are saying into the front facade, >> eliminating some of the wood paneling. >> Um, >> I mean, yes, >> it would lighten it up. >> Yeah. I mean, this is very on trend. I
mean, we just saw the Morano just is redoing their sign and it would match this exactly. It's like almost like I I see what you're saying. It's It is a little dark, but I don't know. It's kind of It seems like where we're heading and then the landscaping freshens it up and
then but I Yeah, maybe incorporating some more natural like actually natural materials, not the faux. I I love the idea of the stone just because you said you were going for texture and that would give you the texture but still I mean especially something like
travertine, you know, that's that's a very >> nice material. >> Very nice material. >> Something like that. I think that's a good >> you could incorporate that at the ground level. Yeah. >> Is there a story to the to the profile
of the of the banding? >> Um well a story >> I'm Yeah. I just it reminds I'm trying to I don't know if it's it maybe it's Fina but there's a few projects where we have >> there are a few projects and again you're seeing it more and more. This
GFRC it's a very expensive material number one. Yeah. and utilizing it to to hide that terrible kind of clotting. You saw it at Fyena, you see it now uh coming at the Shore Club, the Ritz Sagamore got approved with it. So, it's it's what everything is moving towards.
It's to get rid of that slab edge condition that is just that it deteriorates and it's just one of those, you know, they're redoing them at the continuum now. I don't know, you see it, they it's all those slab ends. This protects it. It beautifies it. Uh we've done it not only there but also in other
parts of uh uh like in Surfside. So it's uh >> I was just particular asking about the shape because if there was something you were were mimicking because I agree it's an the product type is nice. This is what's at the hospital. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And yeah the hospital I assume it won't stain >> as much as because it won't be less maintenance. It's not resin in it. Um, >> yeah. >> So, I just I that that stuck out to me
big time because it's we have can lever 2 and 1/2 ft thick or more. >> Um, >> and then you make the unders sides with the dark with a dark wood. It feels heavy. I I would go with the unders sides lightening up the unders sides.
>> Yeah. >> Just clarify. >> Yeah. Just to clarify what Dwin is here to tell me is that the at the front at the ground level that's all a glass you know uh wall >> I have what you see is now the wood in on that level is actually inside the lobby right
and so that's part of the interior which can be addressed as well but >> no I was thinking on the outside >> right so I want to make sure where the front um because we're talking about also the balconies and the the the presence that the front and those balconies have >> it is different at the ground level than
on the sides. So, I just want to make sure that's clear. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I had thought that it was um as Laura and Lester that it was um the cl the brown clad that you were using, >> but it's the interior of the lobby. >> If if you look if if you can share the
screen of the presentation there, you can see on the left that's the front elevation. It's all glass. >> It's all Yeah. So, it is just glass facade >> that steps back in. And there is a lot less of the cladding on the front um as
you can see as it goes up the building. >> The stone that you passed around um is it utilized only in the top floor where the pool is? >> The flooring is the >> flooring or the flooring area >> of all the Okay. Um I like the
balconies. I think they're really beautiful and different. um you you know you see them and and you don't uh see them all the places but I think the um landscaping on it if it can be maintained uh would be uh nice but I
think the style of the balcony instead of having just plain stuckle going down um makes it very interesting. Um I appreciate that you incorporated parking
>> um when parking wasn't required. Um, and obviously this, um, even though it's only a 14 room, uh, hotel, what do you anticipate from an operational standpoint to be the cost per room per night?
Have you thought of that? >> If you have, if you haven't, it's okay. >> Sorry. >> Okay, that's all right. Uh, but I we appreciate I appreciate in incorporating parking. I know it's
expensive to do those lifts, so it wasn't um something to be taken lightly. >> Yeah, the last hotel had the same um width, 50 ft wide lot. Of course, they didn't have the alley entrance in the back, but they didn't have uh the
amenities uh that you have uh with the lift and the uh parking in um Roelio for you in the um zoning. It says that existing use is multif family and this is hotel I think is considered
commercial, isn't it? So, is that okay or can you tell me on that >> in So, the the zoning is RM1. The RM1 generally is a fully residential district. However, the city the the zoning code includes a provision that
north of and let me let me read it exact um I believe it's north of 73rd Street, but let me read it exactly to you. >> Yeah. And this is the diagram that I showed you. >> Yeah, I have it on the screen too if you want to share. >> There's a subset of it. Go ahead. It
says uh apartment hotels, hotels, and suite hotels for properties fronting Harding Avenue or Collins Avenue from the city line on the north to 73rd Street on the south. Um um allows So basically that's that's an allowed use in those areas. >> So between 73rd and 79th it's allowed
and that became >> between 73rd and 87th >> and 87th. And when did that was that a change in the code? >> That's been there since I've worked at the city going on year 12. So >> Okay. So, I just wanted to bring it up because uh several residents uh brought
it up and this is not something that is not allowed. Um it's very much allowed as part of the code. Um and the the other thing is that the um property appraisals office shows the same name as
the applicant on this um project which is 7710 Collins Avenue LLC. What that other name Myra uh something or other uh on the plans. I don't know what that is, but that's something you can discuss with them, but the application itself shows the same
owner as the property appraisals office from Miami date county. I I like the project very much. I think if you can lighten um the the side um uh I I would like it even more. I like the wood
underneath the uh ceiling of the balconies as opposed to my counter architect here, but um the balconies I like very much as well. Thank you. >> I do have a question. The planters on
the far left uh for facade the east facade, there's like four four floors of planters, but then there's only two two top floors of planters on the other example. Yes, there's only the top two floors on
that example, but on the far left there's four floors. Is there >> uh the far left is the rear? >> Oh, the rear of the building. >> The rear. >> Okay. Sorry. >> To the alley. >> That's to the alley. >> Could you do the same thing in front? As
rear as rear. All four floors. I don't >> um >> hanging. >> I mean, we we could. Those those balconies are smaller, which is why they're not there. Um they don't have the width because of the carve out in the middle. Um >> be hard to add.
>> So it's hard to add it. Yes. Okay. >> Yes, it would be hard to add it there. >> Okay. >> Um I'm glad you asked about the use in the hotel. I know that in this neighborhood there are other small hotels. Um, and I'm sympathetic to the
members of the public that spoke about a hotel not being necessarily appropriate for this site, but it seems like that's not really something that we can make the decision on and or planning or, you know, whatever. It's just a matter of
okay, what are we getting? Is this the best version? How will this contribute? Um, and you know, with that sort of context, I'm trying to make sure that we addressed all of the concerns that people called in about. Oh, I did have a concern um with the alley cuz again, I
was there and the alley is narrow and I noticed that a lot of the residents on the block access the parking through the alley. um are there and I know that you know the traffic the the garbage truck is going to come down to serve all the buildings but then you know with the
delivery the deliveries and servicing of the hotel are there conditions of when that can and cannot happen or how has this issue come up in the past is it common to have the hotel main sort of
service egress be an alley >> um when when hotels do have an alley yes I would say in in South Beach, a lot of the hotels have an alley and and the majority of of what's going on is happening in the alley, >> but not necessarily shared by residents.
>> That is true. Most of the alleys in South Beach are not uh lined by residential, but there are some, but most of them um in the in the entertainment district are are not residential in nature. Um that being said, that is what the alley
is for. It is intended to service the building. uh staff generally prefers when when parking is accessed through the alley because we like to avoid curb cuts on the primary pedestrian corridor uh which in this case it's Collins Avenue. So we would we try to do everything possible to avoid curb cuts
on primary frontages and if alleys are available that's typically staff's preference to have um the parking access through the alley. Um, >> and if I may add again through the planning board application in our approved conditions, uh, this has been
addressed as I mentioned, right? All of our loading operations have to take place on our property. And there's another condition that says all the loading and trash collection are from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. So, >> yeah, >> those those are conditions that are for our use to help the neighborhood, and
those hours do not apply to the residents on the same alley. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, Akil, do you have any other comments? >> No, this >> I feel like it's better to have in general, it's better to have mixed use
prop mix of uses than a neighborhood block with this residential. So, >> Mhm. >> a boutique hotel area. So, >> I like the design. I like I like the use of it. >> Yeah. I I I personally think that it's a
I like that it's it's small, you know, and it is redeveloping and and I think it's very sensitively done. Um and yeah, a lovely design. Um I would just say that maybe I'm in support of it. I would just love you to now that you're
getting, you know, some design related feedback. You know, again, that does have the impression of being a little heavy. Is that your intent? Maybe explore the materiality of um all the wood along the bottom floor or the
underside um of the eaves something like that because it is giving it is a little bit heavy and you know there's things to play with um >> think it has the the residential feeling of it. >> Yeah. >> To just to do some exercises playing
around with the the the material palette. The other thing I forgot to mention was um to address some of neighbors concerns. I see barbecues outside. I see big big balconies. You know, maybe coming back and figuring out like a little bit of a partition or or
bringing in some of that slat slat um uh aluminum uh clad wood slats and break that up just if you're going to indeed put an outdoor kitchen there. You know, first of all, you have it up against glass. So, I think you'll figure that out when you when you finish doing the
details, but maybe that's brings something in and adds a little bit of privacy to the side lots, which is going to probably be needed, especially >> Yeah. I mean, it's tough. >> I just it you barely can tell, but they are barbecues, right?
>> Um I don't know if we're going to No, no, no. They're not going to end up doing any barbecues out there. >> Okay. >> No, no. >> Even so, I think >> amenities. >> Yeah. I I think even so that like you know some sound or something on the deeper balconies. I don't think it's I
don't think it's needed on on some of the lower ones necessarily, but where they're >> Oh, you mean the ones in the front? >> The front and and maybe to the back just just something I'm not talking about bu building walls, but some type of >> little bit of partition or something
>> um would would address some of the sound concerns when if somebody is out there just because it is a big balcony and you could have a nice party out there. Um, which I would if I was staying there. >> I know. >> Well, and the views are going to be beautiful because everything, you know, east, west, so low. I I mean,
>> I think this is going to be a very successful project. Um, >> I think so, too. I think this is there's a market for this for sure. >> Um, and I get the elegance of it and I just I just think couple of more tweaks
and and it it'll be really special. Does anybody want to make a motion or >> ju just to clarify? So I'm hearing hearing a lot about the concern about the wood. So we do have a condition in the order that you may want to modify in the draft order. Um that says the final
design details including material samples and colors of the wood aluminum finishes proposed on the front east and side north and south and rear west elevation shall be submitted in a manner to be reviewed and approved by staff consistent with the design review criteria and or the directions from the
board. So if if the thought is that some of the wood on on some of those elevations would be replaced with another material, we may want to amend this condition um to explore other other types of materials with staff or if you want to give more specific direction on
that. Um but just something for concern. >> We had mentioned earlier the use of the stone that they're using. I don't know if that's possible, >> but if is that something that they can bring back to you or it needs to come back to us? >> We're happy to happy to review changes if you'd like for them to
>> more on the um on the side elevations >> cuz the front is glass. So >> um it may change if the interior of the lobby changes color. >> Yeah. So >> I mean I personally I feel like you know to the condition will be to explore the
materiality consider a stone. It doesn't have to be that stone but some stone and then you know of placement of I don't think I don't think you need to remove all of the wood. It would just I would just say sort of play around with it.
Like I don't want to tell you what to do, but just to sort of play around with it and see what works because overall the impression is it's dark, it's heavy, but there are opportunities. And again, whether it's the wood along the sides,
on the walls, the ease, whatever. Yeah, work with I I defin I mean I personally feel like you could work with staff to >> Yes, we don't think we need to. >> I don't think we're looking for a global change. I think just a tweak, a little
adjustment, >> little softening maybe at the ground level, >> tone, color for the wood and and maybe use of your your palette you have in different places, >> right? I think the concept is >> and maybe addressing some of the sound on the balconies in a in an elegant manner.
>> Yeah. Are you aren't you all restricted by the planning board as to the hours? I know you're restricted on trash pickup and deliveries uh because of noise. Did they did the planning board when you went to them say anything about the um parties being held
on balconies or in the hotel? >> Well, the the rooftop we actually profered that ourselves to be good neighbors. So, that's the 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. is the restricted hours. I think you can you can limit someone's use of >> well and I think isn't 11 p.m. Anyway,
>> the noise ordinance ordinance actually applies all day long. >> Well, the more stringent provision, >> but yeah, but I think uh yeah, I think with the implementation of the noise with the noise ordinance that this city
has, I don't know. I don't I'm not concerned with the balconies and you've restricted yourselves already to the use of the pool area up on the roof. >> So, Okay. >> Okay. So, I'll make a motion that we
approve DRB 251140 at 7710 Collins Avenue with the condition that you look at the incorporation of stone where there is some wood cladding right now on the sides in the fronts. Um,
>> yeah, >> without condition. >> Thanks. >> Okay, >> I'll second that. >> We have motion by Miss Wakavali. Second was by Miss Leuen. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh all those in favor? >> I >> I.
>> Any opposed? Motion passes. >> Okay. Congratulations. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Um and that is the end of the meeting. >> Thank you very much. >> We'll see you in January. He's been