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5 4 3 2 1. >> Morning everybody. Welcome. March 12th, 2006. We have our new members. Welcome. >> Um, and I'll read the names so I don't mess it up here. And Jessica,
>> uh, Andreion and Jessica are members. Welcome. Myra's out. Um, >> if you like I can do attendance formal. Yep. Let me through. It is my first time
as chair. >> So, uh, okay. I'll do a uh I'll call attendance. Um, um, and I'll go in alphabetical order. So, Andrea Sion >> here. Uh, Mabu Takavoli is absent. Uh, Akil Lester. Laura Leuen
>> here, >> Adam Meshber >> here, uh Jessica Mitch >> here, >> and Gabrielle PZ is absent. So we have five of seven members present. We do have a quorum. Um so that everybody's aware. Um any design review can be approved with four votes. Any variances
will require five votes. So any variances will require unanimous decision for anybody who's in the audience and has an application coming before us. >> Okay. Any updates? >> Thank you. Good morning. Today's meeting of the design review board is being conducted in a hybrid format with a
quorum of the board physically present in the commission chambers at Miami Beach City Hall and applicant, staff, and members of the public appearing either in person or virtually via Zoom. Those wishing to participate in today's meeting via Zoom may dial the toll-free number which is 888-4754499
and enter the webinar ID which is 82273941924 or log into the Zoom app and enter the webinar ID which again is 82273941924. Individuals wishing to speak on an item must click the H raise hand icon if they are using the Zoom app or dial star9 if
participating by phone. Before I swear in those who are testifying, I'm going to read into the record the city's notice regarding lobbyist registration. If you are appearing on behalf of a business, a corporation, or another person, including as an architect, attorney, or representative of an applicant, or an objector, you need to
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attends to testify. Virtual speakers will need to be sworn in one by one before addressing the board. So, if you will be giving testimony today, please stand and raise your right hand. >> Do you swear that the uh do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you.
Okay. Now, uh, approval of the minutes. We didn't have a meeting in January, so we're approving. >> We in February, we have approving January's minutes. Yep. >> A motion to approve. >> I'll second that. >> Motion to approve. >> Okay.
>> Do we have a second? Was Miss? Y. >> All right. All those in favor? I. >> Any opposed? No. Motion passes. Um, and nothing on the consent agenda today. >> We have no items on the consent agenda
today. Okay. Any other business? We have no other business. Um, and then we do have a few continuences and withdrawals. Um so so that the board is aware
um DRB21100 that's for 28 Venetian way rightway um that was that's been continued regularly. We will renotice the application once it's ready to proceed. Um so no need for any action there.
um DRB251 1150 that's 2100 Meridian Avenue that is um that was a city project the city commission um has uh canceled the project so that item is withdrawn so that item will not be coming before the board um so no action
is needed on those two items um and then we have received a request from for continuance um for one of the applications that's DRB25-1146 that's one Ocean arrive. Um staff recommended a continuence in the staff report um due to some issues with the
comprehensive plan that need to get on their way before the item is considered by this board. Um and the applicant I believe is here to um right >> to concur. >> So uh good morning Mr. Chairman, board member staff. Michael Larkin 2 Southk Boulevard here representing the applicant. What Raeli was referring to
is that currently the property is designated as recreational open space. Every comp plan has a future land use element and within the land use element there's a map future land use map. So I don't know when it was designated recreational open space but that land use designation does not permit
commercial uses. So penrods is non-conforming. You know our successor entity that we represent will do commercial uses there. So it's incumbent upon us to redesate it to something called public facilities which is just like the Miami Beach Marina and that it permits commercial uses. So once it's
redesated, we'll come back before you all respectfully requesting come back before you all on July 9th. >> That's all. >> Thank you. >> Motion for continues. >> If you Yes, if you can if we can get a motion to continue to the July meeting.
What would um do we have the date? >> July 9th. >> July 9th. >> Make a motion to continue. I second it. Okay. Uh motion by Miss Lewen, second by Mr. Lester. All those in favor? I >> I.
>> Any opposed? Motion passes. >> And I have one more contingent request. It involves the last item on your agenda, uh DRB25-1160, 1691 Michigan Avenue. Our client, Robert Rabani, is heavily involved client. He
likes to be at all hearings. He can't be here today. So, we're secularly requesting to move this application to the next month. >> Okay. >> I'll make a motion to continue to the April meeting. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. We have a motion by Miss Lewen,
second by Mr. Lester. Um, all those in favor? >> I. >> Great. >> This would be for June. >> So, 1691 is for April. After >> April. >> Yeah. The prior one was for July 9th. >> Okay.
So that's April 10th, I believe. >> April 16th. Oh, I apologize. April 16th. >> Great. >> Thank you all. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Okay. Okay. Now we will start with
the rest of the items. Um, Abid Okay. The next item on the agenda is DRB 251088 6945 AOT Avenue. This application have been filed requesting design review approval
for the construction of a new sixstory mixeduse hotel building including a variance to remove the requirement for a designated loading space including one or more waivers. >> Okay. So, this application has been before the board uh a few times. Uh the item first came to the board on October
23rd, 2025. the item was discussed and continued to the November meeting. Um at the November meeting, the item was continued to the December 11th meeting. Um on December 11th meeting, uh the DRB approved the two variances uh that were part of the application. So those are no
longer under consideration. Those are considered approved. Those were variances regarding the um on street loading um and removal of of uh of the off- streetet loading requirement. Um then uh and then the design aspect of
the project was continued to the February meeting. Uh the February meeting was cancelled and so the item is before the board today. Um the applicant has um incorporated several revisions to the facade based on the feedback that they received from the DRB. Um so um
primarily uh they've they've revised the material system being used on the facade. So, they're using a uh metal perforated metal screening system that includes some uh movement along the front and and northern facades. Um they
have incorporated some glass elements into the balconies so that they read more as balconies and improve the views for the guests staying in the hotel. Um they have uh uh revised um some of the some of the the railings as part of
that as well. So, it it does provide some interesting movement in the facade, opens up the facade a little bit. Um, and sta staff believes that that is an improvement from the prior proposal, and staff does recommend that that be approved. On the southern facade, um,
they the building is up against a public storage building. It's pretty blank building, so the southern facade won't be too visible. Um, however, um, the upper levels of that facade will be visible. The applicant is proposing um that there be um some um
some addition some patterned uh materials to create some interesting circular patterns on that facade so that it's not just a blank wall. Um that wall is is where the uh back of house, the elevator core, the stairwells um will be located. So there's really not a lot of
opportunity for for movement on that facade. Um so they are incorporating some of these materials to provide some visual interest in the upper levels. Um though it it's it's a significant improvement. Just staff has a concern that if it is considered a mural that will over 100 square feet that will
require the approval of the city commission. Um if it's so it's if it's incorporated into the architecture of the building, it's okay to proceed. However, if it is paint, if there's if there's anything that that would clarif that would qualify it as a mural, that that may require city approval, uh city
commission approval. So, we've incorporated a condition in the attached order that should it be determined to be a mural that that will have to go to the city commission at a future date. Um, however, staff does believe that it is a significant improvement from just having a a a blank wall and staff is supportive
of uh of incorporating these design elements. Um, so with that, staff recommends approval of the of the uh project of the design um and uh subject to the conditions in the attached order. Um before you start, are there any
disclosures on this application? >> Okay, thank you. >> Good morning, chair, board members. Um for those of you who are new, welcome. It's an honor. Vanessa Madrid with the law firm of Holland Night at 701 Bickl Avenue. I'm here on behalf of the
applicant. First and foremost, I want to thank staff for their ongoing support, working closely with us throughout the application, the city attorney's office, and um for the recommendation for approval. Also want to thank you for your time today. Um as Roelio alluded
to, this has been a long process. Um I was actually on maternity leave. I'm back and my colleagues tell me that we're still here. So, I'm hoping to wrap this up today. Um, I'm happy to report that
the design team has worked really hard to accommodate all the comments, suggestions, and concerns uh raised at the last meeting. And um we are proud to present you a refined design today um
that focused heavily on the pedestrian experience along the PO but also the building's articulation and um selection of materials but also the relocation of those materials throughout the facades. We are combining
a series of materials. Um, if you could please pull the presentation on the screen, that'd be very helpful. Um, just as a refresher, this is located at 6945 Abbott Avenue. Next slide, please.
Thank you. Um and and before I move forward, I'm here joined by um the applicants representatives um and the architects for the project who have done a really good job at capturing the context of the neighborhood. And um while this is a
small lot, we want to make sure that the building is um identified as it should be and that it has a big personality reflected through its architecture. Next slide, please. >> The lap the laptop is on your uh left
hand side. The the laptop's on your left hand side. >> There it is. I guess I can use the clicker. Okay. So, um as I mentioned, we focused on the redesign and refinement of the of the building, giving it some more movement. We added some glass to the balconies. This is the existing
condition of the site. Um the site is zoned TCC which is a mixeduse area and the idea is to provide vertical mixed use within the project. We are intending to use the ground floor um a portion of
it for commercial space which will be ideal for a cafe. Um this is the proposed design and this will be a hotel for those of you who are new. Um, and for those of you
who are not, just a refresher, composed of the ground floor lobby with the commercial space, as I just mentioned, six floors of hotel rooms and a rooftop amenity. So at the last meeting there was a
lengthy discussion about the building's rhythm, the perforation of the of the facade and the overall lightness. We were using a lot of metal. We came back, we lined it up with Stuckco in a lighter
color. We continued the perforations but in a way that preserves um the the ability to let the light flow through. And I'm going to let Juan the architect walk you through his um vision.
>> Hi everybody. Um thanks for seeing us today. Um so we took the the cue from uh board member Meshber Glass who was very adamant that we work through the rhythm of the facade, the materials and the modulation and we we reconstructed the
the the shape of the envelope of the building first so that the curvature is a lot more uh harmonious. Before it was a little bit too angular and if you remember the materials were a lot starker and the and the perforations were a lot more more square. So what we
did here is we took a a series of photographs that we did of some of the natural ecosystems in Biscane Bay namely mangroves and we derived a pattern to provide the modulation. So what you will see is a series of variable opening
perforations on the facade that will create this movement in the facade and when you overlap that with the curvature and the cuts in the balconies providing glass for the openness of the rooms you see the whole rhythm of the facade coming coming together. So go that way.
So as you can see um the this is the front view from um Abbott and slightly left on the PO >> other other way. >> Sorry the other way wrong way. There you go. Okay. Sorry. So as you So these are
there's a P on the left. Um all the materials on the ground floor are kind of natural organic materials as provided in the sample boards that you might see on the floor over there. I can pass them around if you want to, but they're heavy. But what you see on the ground is uh they're they're oolites. They're uh
they're travertines. They're rugged travertines. Uh the the wood material that we're providing that you see in the underside of the of the sophet is a wood uh composite wood uh metal cladding that
we use uh to to give it uh stability and pre and prevent it from from you know from high maintenance and deformation and things like that. But as you can see all the materials are on the on the ground are textured. They're they're natural and they are they are uh meant
to operate at ground level with landscape on on the on the above uh on the above building. The mesh is a a white kinder finished uh metal mesh not not unlike what you see in the fins of the convention center except that it's
perforated and and and bent. So the right way. Okay. So this is the ground floor. As you can see, it's open. Uh, it's kind of pretty light, so there's a lot of open areas and landscaped areas. Um,
the PV is also meant to be open and and and pretty transparent and natural and and and street pedestrian oriented. Um, there you can see a little bit more of that, the materials that we're talking about. So, that the flat wood piece you see is the thing applied to
the ceiling. that this little wood profile is the one that you see on the very left covering the FBL wall that we discussed a number of times and everything else is glassed or textured stone basically the in the travertines and the and the
naturals. So another thing that had come up before was the scale of the building where we're in an infill zone where you see a lot of big construction coming up across the street. If you look at the model, you'll see that there's a lot of big buildings and these even though they're small sides, they're still kind
of in a way uh they're still kind of like begging to fill in the the the zone. So, yeah, those buildings are much bigger than they look in the back. They've been cut to for ease of use for the mall, but those things are pretty
big. Here's a a diagram that explains how this how this facade attaches together. Um, so you see a flat version of the pattern on the top, the movement in it kind of works looks a little like a
piece of fabric and then you see the 3D model to the left, how it layers onto the balconies, the railing system, the glazing and the structure behind it. Um this is the wall that Roelo spoke
about that's south facing. Um the idea for this wall provided that we need to we cannot make it a mural and we we have to provide uh we still want to provide some movement so that it's not a blank wall. In the future we assume that something's going to come up next to it. But what we want to do is use like the
ruggedness of materials to create the the what looks like a graphic pattern. So, changes in in texture, uh, accentuating where the slab lines are, things like that, uh, will be will be what we're going to attempt to use to do
to do this as opposed to creating, you know, a mural or something with paint, which we don't want to do. Um, so this is what you can see once you take out the the storage building next to it. So what's really visible it's the upper
three stories of that elevation. >> So >> okay so I just want to highlight a few things. Um thank you Jan. >> Thank you. >> Um so again there's there's only a 10-ft separation between our building and the
storage facility south of us. Um, so for now more than half of them of the south elevation will be visible, but in the future it may likely be fully covered. The idea is to create the south elevation visually
appealing and cohesive. Um, and to the extent that we're providing some sort of patterned um, as discussed with staff, it'll be achieved through the use of materials in and of itself and not so much an art mural.
um because art murals require commission approval um and they go through a lengthy approval process. So we we we don't want to go that route. Um we also don't believe it's necessary for for this particular wall or or facade to go
through the process of getting art that will be covered up in the future. Um so we will be providing a visually uh appealing product with movement uh color variation but will be achieved through
material variations. Um we comply with all of the relevant review criteria including design review, sea level rise and resiliency and also um the other applicable criteria that
not not relevant to today's discussion. Um to conclude, I just want to flag and and emphasize that the project will be bringing much desired revitalizing redevelopment to this area of North
Beach. Um it will beautify and activate the public street front and from what we've heard that's what the community wants. I believe we do have some members of the community that will be speaking in support of this application. So you'll be able to hear from them, but
the use is permitted as of right. We comply with um like I said the development criteria and we will not be creating any adverse impacts to the neighboring properties or the area and the architects I think have done a
really good job in from the start. The feedback we got from staff is you're you're doing a really good job in blending into the context of the neighborhood. But also the positive thing that came out of this process is we're we were able to get your feedback
and make that design even better. So with that, I'm going to conclude, open it up for questions and discussion. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone from the public? We do have a few hands raised online. And I don't know if there's anybody in
the audience that would like to speak first. Um, okay. So, I'll go through the through the list. Uh, the first person is Carlos PZA. >> Carlos, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. You have two minutes.
>> Yeah. Uh, my name is Carlos Barza. I live at 40169 Street, which is um um about 50 ft from this um proposed hotel. I've spoken uh a few times before over the last three or four months of the
meetings on behalf of of the association for 401 Blue, our condominium. Um, we continue to oppose this project and um and I just I just want to remind everyone of uh that we believe that
without having a a dedicated um um in and out drop off uh way for um hotel guests that that this creates a very dangerous situation for hotel guests and um I guess cars driving by where um
somebody can get hurt. And this is uh something that that um our board president Bruce Fish said to representatives of the um of the developer, the the law firm. Um
somebody's going to get hurt. So we we want to remind everyone about these issues. Um I I I I feel that there are so many results issues here. uh trash um uh is going to be the p is going to
be used for trash hauling and I think that that's not permitted. I'm still not clear about how trash is going to be handled in terms of picking it up and dropping it off. Uh deliveries and loading. Uh this latest draft says that that Abu Avenue is going to be used for
this. um existing parking spaces. There are very few parking spaces deliveries between before 9:00 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. is proposed. Those are rush hour times and if you ever go by by this area, rush
hour is uh very challenging. Um uh there's some mention about outdoor music which we were strly against it. Uh so we propose that no outdoor miss music be permitted.
>> And just one more thing I guess that's really important is is for um all of us to think about what's going to happen due construction phase that I I would imagine that a whole year we're going to go without uh the east lane of avenue
uh for traffic. It's going to have to be blocked for construction. Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. The the next name that we have is is Al. >> Al, do you swear to tell the truth, the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. Please state your name and address. You have two minutes. >> Alex Abru. I live at 7821 Byron Avenue. Uh, I really like the design of this po and uh I really think that it would
bring a nice facade to to to Abbott. Um, I'm an advocate of great design and I think this one is very unique. >> Did we? >> Okay. All right. I guess I'll disconnect. Uh, and then the last hand
we have raised is Lee. >> Lee, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> On mute. How about, can you hear me now? >> Yes. >> Yes. Please state your name and address. You have two minutes. >> Yeah. Lee Morero. I live at 7717 Byron
Avenue. Uh, not too far from there. In regards to the design, no, it's a beautiful building. Uh, you know, the the whole area is completely outdated and I commend the city for changing the zoning to give it some more of a of
future developments like we see now. Across the street, we have this new hotel coming up. I believe it is. Um, so I mean there's going to be people obviously complaining about the traffic and so forth, but you know that's inevitable when you come in with new new
developments. This particular building itself and and the area needs, you know, it has a cafe, which is gorgeous, by the way. Uh there's not many new cafes in the area. They're all old, rundown. Uh as well as the the design itself is
is something that will bring the city something beautiful, similar to what's coming across the street. So, the whole area being developed is something that I believe the city needs. It'll bring in new new money to the city, new people to the city.
So, in my opinion, you know, I I would definitely like to see this structure uh put there and hopefully the the lots next to it do the same thing. Um so, I mean, in essence, yeah, I think it's great that the city's allowing these new structures to to be put on on
property. Uh so, my opinion is great. I think it's it's a beautiful building and and the city definitely needs this because there's been a lot of old structures. They're all cracked and falling apart that have, you know, they bring in the wrong type of people.
So, yeah. Um, I approve this this project. >> Thank you. >> And we have we do have one more hand raised. Uh, Marilina. >> Marilina, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
>> Yes, I swear. >> My name is Marilina Abelbomb. I live at 6301 Collins Avenue, unit 25503, Lagor's Palace. And I've been waiting as a resident of Miami Beach for this neighborhood to change into something
like this. I've been walking these streets with my kids for more than 30 years and expecting uh these little buildings to transform to this beautiful project that is not bringing only, you know, a change on the neighborhood, but art is as as well. It feels like art
whenever you see it. uh the cities has been putting so much money and effort trying and I've been part of it and supporting this trying to transform the parks, the areas, the neighborhood, bringing little cafes and asking us not to move so much north or south and
keeping and staying in our neighborhood. And this is exactly what we are expecting for. I represent a lot of um condominiums in the area and I work uh in the area and this is what we are expecting. We need the neighborhood to have little places like this is
boutique. It's not gigantic. I hear some nonsense about music. We have a beautiful Miami Beach. We have, you know, the the theater and I walk even yesterday by there and I hear them rehearsing and it's overwhelming and so beautiful to know that we have this to
offer to the rest of the world, especially because it's a little hotel. It's a boutique place and we can share their coffee places and we can share this vibe with the tourism. I think it's amazing what they achieve with this. I was expecting to see today and I'm very
happy. I not only approve it, I almost demanded as a resident to start doing this with the little buildings that we have around that they are closed that they bring, you know, rodents to this to beautiful places where my kids can walk around without being, you know, without
me being concerned about where they are. That's it. I'm I'm happy with the result. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And I see no other hands raised. Okay. Um, open it up to the board.
>> Uh, can I start? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> So, uh, I live walking distance from this property. And I been hearing a lot of people complain about the operations of the building and what it will be used for and how much traffic it's going to create, but that's not really our place
to speak on it in my opinion. And the master plan has been reszoned to for projects like this. So, it makes perfect sense to have a project like this in place. And I think you guys have been highly cognizant of traffic by not creating parking spaces and by not
emphasizing car use. So, I don't know what more you could do at that point for it. And I work from home and I work walking distance from this property. And I think something like this would be perfect for me to come out during my day and have a third space outside of my
building, outside of my personal living space to come work from a cafe and have a paleo that's beautiful and adds to the streetscape and encourages walkability and I fully support everything about the project. So, >> thank you very much.
>> Um, yeah, thank you for the presentation. Um, I was just looking back at the initial submitt and and like Aquiel said, I think we're here to speak on the design and I know in earlier meetings we've we've kind of talked at length about operations, but I don't think that's within our purview um, as
we've established. Um, so speaking on the design, I mean, I think it's I think it's much improved. I really appreciate, you know, you taking our comments into consideration. Um, I think the materials were very helpful. Um, I wish I could
have seen the metal material. Um, just to see how that would interplay with these materials. Like Adam, I'm curious your thoughts as the architect and how these more natural materials, which I love, are going to be juxtaposed with a
quite a bit of metal um on the top. Um, I'm not saying I don't like it. I'm I'm just I would have loved to see how that actually worked together. Um, but I guess as to questions on on the metal where how you're getting these
like mangrove inspired patterns, is that through paint painting on the metal or the perforation? >> So, so as far as the material goes, it's a white matte material. So, >> have no reflection. >> Oh, >> it would be a white matte metal finish. So, it has no reflection first of all.
>> Um, so it would be a very neutral uh material that blends Yeah. >> That blends in. Yeah. And then the the pattern is achieved through perforation. So it light comes through and when it's lit from inside, you would see light coming filtered coming out. So it's it's
a kind of like a glowing textured. >> Uh >> would it help if we show a visual so he can show you exactly what the metal portion is versus >> Yeah. >> the stuckle? >> That's the metal. >> I think the >> Yeah. Right. >> Eagle Ivy was probably the best image. I
see. Okay. >> Right. So, if you seen that middle slide where it shows it from up close, what's what looks like black is really perforated. Right. Exactly. So, what you're seeing is this thing is kind of semi-transparent in certain parts of it. >> Okay. >> And there's a piece of glass that comes
out from behind it, which is where the balconies are. Um, and >> let me see if we can find another um >> Yeah. rendering of >> maybe there's one that's >> that's okay. I mean that that one was helpful.
>> Um Okay. Yeah. I was just curious how those swaths work, but that's through perforation. >> The three sides are all metal. >> Okay. Yeah. And it's not painted metal. It's it's just the holes are making what? Making it darker. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Um Yeah. And I I I thank you too for kind of playing with the relief areas of where that metal is. I mean, in my opinion, it still feels a little heavy in some spots. Um, but I don't want to like overdesign the project or or step.
That's just my opinion on it, especially on that north elevation. I don't know if we're purposely trying to hide those two large areas on the side um from or we're trying to like kind of keep concealed areas or >> you know it's more like trying to create
an object like a like a complete object like what the style of school that you see in you know Miami is like the slab line and the glass like it's repetitive like you see always the same thing. So here the program the hotel and the and the the service areas gives give you a little bit more freedom to find some
places where you break this thing a little bit. >> So as you see it comes apart where the rooms are and it comes together where the opaque walls are behind it. So >> I see. Okay. So those are opaque walls. >> So it gives it more movement. It's it's a it's it's more interesting. >> And there is glass on the balconies. I
know it's it's probably hard to to see it. Um >> well you can see in the plan the plan you actually shows it pretty well because you see that there's there you go if you see if you any of these >> Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Um Okay. Yeah. And then my last comment is I think on
that south wall which I I realize you're constrained with I >> I like what you did. I think I think picking up kind of the pattern that you're getting on the other sides. Um, I think I think that works very well >> and it's very subtle and when you see it, you know, when the light comes in a certain way, you're going to see a
variation in it. It's going to it's going to hint at a at a pattern, but it's not going to be overwhelming and and it's not blank either, which was our concern, too. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, thank you very much. >> One, sorry, one quick follow question. Did you make any changes to the PO at all or was it just other than the
>> No, we just articulated it more like I think we did a better uh a better run through the materials and the and we had one we have one wall that is the >> FPL >> the FBL what we call the FPL wall which is the one that is covered in this wood texture. >> Yes.
>> Material. So we did a little bit of work on that on that front. >> I really like that view that makes you visualize being inside when it's >> Right. Exactly. And it's meant to be like an open natural. >> I think the tropical landscaping does a really good job of contrasting the
building's architecture and emphasizing, you know, the unique location of the It look feels very Miami Beach. >> There's way too much emphasis on this trash route to go through there for 30 seconds. >> It's not a trash route. >> No, it's not a trash route. It's like go through there for one 30 seconds and then wrestle beact
people keep mentioning this trash route, but whatever. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, beautiful design. Congratulations on the work. It It looks amazing. >> 6949 Abbott. What's the story with that? Is Is it a future site? Is it does it
have the potential of doing the same thing? Uh, is there a reason why it was in >> public storage next door? >> No, the other side on the north side. >> Oh, I think it's a rental building. >> Yeah, >> small rental building. And I think they tried to buy it. >> We tried to pursue it, but there was no
They don't want to sell. >> No interest. >> They don't want to sell it. >> Isn't that property too going to have to have a PO if they redevelop or kind of the other side of the PO? >> Both sides would need to have a PO. >> So even if we had both properties, let's say, it would have to have a PO in the middle of it. So
>> it would actually be beautiful because you could flip it over and have a big white. >> Yeah. It just seemed like it's going to be an odd scenario to have that building in the middle. And does it have the potential to be developed as this project does as well? the whole neighborhood. >> It could potentially be like a mirror
image of of of the of this. That's probably what you would end up with. It would end up basically a reversal of this of this style of a building. >> So then these units are basically going to be looking at the wall of another unit >> on the other on they have they have a requirement of another 10 ft. So they
have 20 ft, >> right? >> And then there is a development um the >> just north of that >> just north of that that is >> insane which which is happening now. So, it's going to look like odd to have this >> not your fault. The building is beautiful, but I'm just saying it's kind of odd to have your this beautiful
building and then >> this in the middle, which eventually I imagine it's going to get developed would have been smarter to develop together at the same time versus not. >> Trust me, it would have made our life easier had we had a bigger property for sure. Sometimes people, you know, I
always think of in in in Windwood. I wanted to hold out on that, >> but I just wanted to know if you had any information as to what the status of that building was because it obviously affects the design. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. And that building will be sandwiched, I think, on the other side
is a huge development. So, it's going to be >> sort of the up >> the guy who refuses to sell. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. ju and just so the board is aware for the on the south side the public storage building a couple years ago the city commission approved
an ordinance allowing them to maintain that public storage use and redevelop the site so they have the ability to develop pursuant to the town center regulations a tower with um with retail on the ground floor um and then they would be allowed to maintain that public
use um uh the public storage use within the pedestal of the tower um so we that's something that we do expect at some point in theuture future to come forward. We saw some initial um renderings when they were when they were proposing that ordinance. To date, they haven't come and actually met with us
with a formal application, but that's something that might come um at some point in the future. >> I'm sure 100% will, but on on their south side covered with that, you know, you're fine. I'm just saying was thinking of more. >> You're saying you they grandfathered in the public storage use,
>> right? >> That can be overlaid with all the other uses, >> right? Because because that is a that is not a use that would otherwise be allowed in this district. It's a it's a non-conforming use. >> And the size of the public storage remains the same as what's there currently. >> Correct. But in but instead of being at the ground floor, it would be embedded
into incorporated into the pedestal of the building. >> Interesting. Okay. >> Mhm. Oh yeah. It's useful. It's a it's a it's a it's a it's a >> it's a important use. >> Jessica, do you have anything? Um, thank
you guys. Definitely a different looking building and much more dynamic and and I can see the thought you guys put into it. Um, I have a couple questions. So, Southside, I wasn't clear on on what materials you said and I'm sorry if I missed it. Stuckco, textured stuckco, smooth stucco,
>> right? So, it's a textured stuckco, a certain stuckco, and then there's the what we're thinking in those outcrops that look like circles, maybe have a an even third texture that outlines those those uh those shapes. That way, you
have three textures. One of them marking the lines of the slabs and the kind of the floor assembly and the other one with with an overlay of shapes that is a little bit coarser and then the thinner one would be the background material. So, it's really three layers of of
texture to be applied, >> but tone on tone all the same. >> Tone on tone. Yeah, it can be tone on tone or very light variations of like a >> like a like a, you know, like an off-white, like a warm gray type of thing. Um, so
okay, now getting into the the new >> obviously we we also assume that it will be up to staff to >> I'm going to make a note that that you guys will we'll call it a pattern not not art but it it's >> I think you have to provide a drawing that shows exactly texture A, texture B,
texture C and how it is so that >> someone can follow it. >> Yeah. >> And uh and everybody knows what's going up there. Um, so the preparation now is is more real and it looks like you've changed the foreplay and I just wanted to hear a
little bit of the story of the the the layout, the shape and relationship to the mangrove. I see the imagery. I understand that now. And I see how you've >> pulled in the PF to create privacy for balconies and and all of that looks
nice. And now we've got movement versus this was just a a >> flat skin before. Um, and talk to me about the size of the perforations. Um, >> all right. So, >> because it looks like there could be 12 inch diameter PFs and there could be 2
in and just curious on that and I know we don't have a sample here but for in the future physical samples of materials are >> highly recommended for faster approval. >> We had a Okay. So let's see this one. This one shows you the full facade. So
here you can trace the the mangrove shape pretty easily I think. So as you can see there is more perforation where the branches are coming in and less perforation where the background comes in. So so this is the overall kind of
pattern that we abstracted from from a photograph. Now I'm going to jump to a slide that we have that shows the closeup of it. So here's the assembly. So you see how this layers as a single
piece. So the side the size of a of a single piece of of metal would be something in the in the in the vicinity of maybe like 3x six feet something like that. 3x6 3x
8. Um, and in this one you see a little bit more of how the the perforated uh the diameters work, but the smaller diameters will probably be less than 12 in. Would probably be more like in the range of eight. And this has to be engineered. So, it's one of those things
that you will send to the fabricator. We work with a company called Componenti that does these fabrications. So, what they do is, you know, there's wind loads and there's there's a number of factors going into the thickness of the material so it doesn't deform. So they do a series of of of mockups to make sure
that the size of the perforations are not compromising the integrity of the material. So but we don't see this being more than more than an inch perforation at the you know maybe there's like three different sizes eight for and two something like that. Obviously there's a cost factor as well that eventually it's
going to have to kind of be tuned. But the way that we work it is we send a conceptual thing in. We get a we get some shop drawings. We get a mockup. we get a sample and we work back back and forth to meet the engineering needs of the material and then also the that is what we submit to the final set of
permit documents or or construction documents. Oh, >> thank you. My I was speaking about in plan the the >> the undulation of ins and outs. How tell me how that is is relationship to the
mangrove image just cuz now we have a distinct shape here. So >> and >> that was that was where I was trying to get to. >> Okay. So here's the here's a plan, right? You see the overall an overall floor plan the the shape in plan of how
these things bend. They're they're not necessarily directly related to the mangrove shape. It's just we wanted enough modulation in the curvature of these balconies to give the mangrove shape uh instead so that you never look
at it flat like a parking lot because otherwise you confuse it like I think one of the conversations before had been you know we don't want you know another mesh for another parking lot and things like that right so giving the shape of the balcony some modulation like you see here in variation make sure that the material actually folds like more like
fabric than it does metal. Um, so obviously you have to bend around the radia, but the balconies are kind of free shapes. Uh, so here you see it more. You have one shape that is the outer balcony. And then there's I wonder if I can zoom in. I can.
Then so the back line would be the glass. And then there's an in between shape that you see right here, which is when the mesh bends to meet the glass. uh mullions or the glass kind of line
and it goes away from the balcony. This is what happens when you have a cut that is above the railing line or I can go back to the facade and you can see that in detail but let me see I look forward to the day that we figure
out better way of doing this. I have to like Okay, let me see >> if I can back. How do you zoom out to a Mac guy >> doesn't? >> Oh, there you go. See, magic has
>> PC meets Mac. >> So, let me see if I can find the elevation where this is more. Okay. So, here it is. So, if you see there's there's a type of ribbon that goes on the perimeter. Then there's one that
folds uh into the like right here. back. Well, you can see it here, too. So, there's some layers like So, you have one layer that goes on the outside, a layer that folds and goes on the inside, and then there's like a
>> You're cleaning that. >> No, there. So we f we found a way to create a a wrapper that addresses all issues from the plan that we created to meeting the
back wall, meeting the glass lines and creating enough movement so that it doesn't look like uh again like a parking lot so that it does create you know also use for the building so that you can see from the inside you can lighten the the the mass of it. And then
what we did also is instead of going into the top like we'd had in the past, we capped it at the prior story so that you have the upper roof line to be a lighter different wood material. So it would cap a lot better. >> I think that was a nice move to bring that down. >> Yeah. So that's a big that that was a
big big change for us. So that this thing doesn't end in like almost like being chopped off like it feels like it goes on endlessly and would look a lot more industrial. This is a lot more contained and a lot more like uh fitting a shape. So it's a dressing of a shape
rather than something that is ubiquitous that seems repetitive and never ends. So that's kind of architects speak for all all the little minutia of the things but we we kind of really kind of like dialed it in and worked on it. >> Is there now a connection to the brand
of the hotel within this sort of mangrove now that you've given it a an identity? Is there going to be a >> we think it becomes the identity in a way like it becomes so recognizable that it's kind of difficult to >> you know >> yeah I think you've definitely given an
identity so it may want to influence your branding of something so you don't have sort of the >> I don't know some >> there you go so >> different concept that doesn't fit with the mangrove >> we'll call it the mangrove >> chair you have a >> or at least the mangrove cafe >> right there you go
>> mangrove cafe >> that sort of leads into a question I had which is um less on a design front, but more on a public safety front is the name of the hotel and where that signage would go so that people aren't cars aren't swerving to uh missing the hotel
or not knowing where to enter. >> The city has signage regulations that we'll need to comply with and that's determined at the time of permitting, exact location, height, um and we need to make sure that it doesn't block any visibility triangles. >> Thank you.
>> Sure. Following up on that, do you have a proposal of where you like to see the sign? >> We think it would be okay. So we think it would be under under the 28 foot line. So under level two. So it would probably be in the in the bottom. It
would be a small sign in the bottom part of the po and or there probably would be one at the very top as well. That would be very kind of discreet. So, I would think that it's either in this gap right here, a small one at pedestrian level, and then maybe one one up here at either corner that could be in the top.
>> And uh my other question is what is the divider between the apartments um the hotel units facing south? What are you on the balcony? What are you dividing them by? >> Well, that ties into the question that I think that we were just discussing, which was
here. So, you see that the balconies are naturally separated by the curvature. So, >> got it. I'm looking at an old plan. Sorry. >> Yeah. >> The the other plan doesn't have that divider. >> That was actually the opportunity to actually start folding it because the the things are natural dividers. They don't connect at all. So, they're
private balconies as opposed to having to before we had to divide them because it was a common wrap, >> but they're they're private. You can still obviously see next door. Right. Right. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um,
anybody else have anything else? >> Um, I'm gonna make a motion with a few items. >> The the chair cannot make a motion. So, if you can handle handle hand the gavvel over
>> you can suggest something that should be included. >> Add the caveats into the motion. >> I'm going to motion to approve and there'll be some caveats I guess. So, >> um, >> yes. Yes, >> thank you. Um,
night lighting is always something that is is written as something that will be reviewed, but in a project like this, it's I I think all projects it's it's critical because this building has a daytime view and has a completely different nighttime view. So, that
obviously needs strong staff consideration. Um, I think that the staff needs to obviously work with the applicant on the southside uh patterns, textures, and approving all that to make sure that it's interesting
and dynamic and fits with um the rest of everything. And um the third part is is just looking at the corner of the PO, the main corner, and just the shape of that. And just making sure that that you're
happy with how that impact is through because that to me is is where you're going to where you're going to see it driving and where we've got the most setbacks going to happen and how that shape wraps and what is actually on that that corner there. Um and the color of
the metal cladding. >> So I'll add one more thing. >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Uh in the PO the emphasis on landscape and so never be confused for a trash route. >> Okay. >> I'll second that.
>> All right. Thanks. >> Okay. So do you mind if I just go through um Okay. We don't have to call them caveats. We'll just call them. >> Um, so for work work with the applicant on the south side to ensure that it's that uh that that facade is interesting and dynamic. Work with uh the applicant
on lighting to ensure uh that it complements the architecture of the facade in addition to all the other requirements that we have. >> Interior and exterior lighting. Okay. >> Uh interior and exterior.
Okay. and then uh work with the applicant uh on the corner element of the po uh to ensure that it's dynamic I would be the and very inactivated
>> to okay and then the last one Um was uh the lighting on the PO ensure that there's um >> landscaping. >> Oh, sorry. Landscaping in the PO work. >> No, that's not >> Got it.
>> Okay, I think I have it. So then the motion was by Mr. Lester and it was seconded by Miss Leuen. Um that's motion to approve with the four modifications mentioned. Um all those in favor >> I >> I.
>> Any opposed? Motion passes. >> Thank you all very much. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you for the hard work. Thank you. Thank you guys. >> Good thing you came out of maternity and you closed the deal. >> Yeah. >> Secret sauce. >> Always making a better building. Thank
you to you guys. I can't make All right. The next item on the agenda is DRB 25 1141 800 South Point Drive. This application has been filed requesting design review approval for modifications to the facade and exterior
plaza of an existing residential apartment building. Specifically, the applicant is requesting to renovate the facade by recladding with new materials, change signage, provide new landscape, and renovate the water feature. On December 11, 2025, the DRB continued the
item to the February 12th, 2026 meeting. The February 12th, 2026 meeting was canceled and the item was moved to this meeting. This site is located in the zoning district CPS3 and the applicant is proposing modifications to the facade and exterior
plaza of an existing 37story residential condominium. Uh the subject property Apogee condominium is located at the intersection of South Point Drive and Washington Avenue. The applicant is proposing to enhance the existing plaza level elevation with new metal louver
cladding in a woodlike finish that will be applied to the existing smooth white stucco finish walls. And the same material is proposed to for the underside of the existing portico shared canopy. The entry steps are also proposed to be modified with the
incorporation of a large landscape planter. The stairs are refinished with marble treads and risers and feature new powdercoated metal railings. Along with the renovation of the entrance, elevations, and steps, the applicant is proposing significant plaza
modifications that include landscape and heartscape improvements within the east yard, which which also faces Washington Avenue. The applicant is proposing a compilation of landscape planters, dark granite paved walkways alongside
recycled light gray granite pavers. The applicant is proposing fence in the existing southwest lawn. Proposing a new fence and double gates along South Point Drive for fire access. And modifications
within the front include higher planter walls with taller landscape and canopy trees and new dark gray granite pavers for the driveway. The base of the elevations along the planter and water feature walls are proposed in travertine
stone finish. The proposal also includes modifications and addition to the existing site signage. In general, the applicant is proposing modifications and enhancement to the ground plaza level that improve the overall architecture of the building as well as the pedestrian
realm of the east side of the site. Staff however does have significant concerns with the proposed modifications to the west lawn and the impact to the connections with the street and park. When the Apogee project was originally approved, great care went into how the
first level of the building and site interacted with the larger area context to the east, north, and west. While the applicant has maintained this successful connection on the north and east sides of the property, the proposed enclosure
of the west loan is contrary to the current successful site plan. As proposed, the placement and potential design of this fencing and gate will remove an important open space component associated with the site. As such, staff
recommends that the proposed fencing gate as well as increased landscape on the on the north side of the west half of the site be eliminated and the current configuration of open lawn and palm trees be retained. Should the DRB decide to permit additional landscape as
well as a fence and gate, staff strongly recommends that this portion of the application be continued to future date so that the applicant can provide adequate and essential details of the proposed modifications to the west loan. Additionally, should the board decide to
allow a fence and gate is further recommended that the location of the fence and gate follow the contours of the site and building. Such fence and gates should be substantially open and not and not exceed four feet in height and any additional landscape should
consist of low of low ground cover and shrubs as to retain and preserve the open space views currently in place within the west alone. With this staff recommends that the application be approved subject to the conditions enumerated in the attached draft order. And with this I will leave
the applicant to carry on. Are there any disclosures on the application? Okay. So, good morning, Mr. Chairman, board member staff, Michael Lark and 200 South Biscane Boulevard. Here representing Apogee Commun Association. With me today
is Nicholas De Giovani. He's a general manager. Kathleen Gutman, she's the vice president of the board. Alex Hurst is the president of the board. He'll be appearing via Zoom. We also have some security staff here and uh Joseph Milton, an involved resident at the
association. Our architects are from Threshold Landscape Workshop with Michael Callahan and Christine Sawyer and we have my colleague uh Ben Sherry. Next slide. So, the Apogee property is quite large, sitting on the south side of South Point
Drive with Washington Avenue's eastern boundary, South Point Park in the south, and the Baywalk and Morano to the west. Next slide. It has an interesting split zoning classification with CPS3 and the marine recreational to the south. Next
slide. Um, I'm reverse. It was land use designation and then it was zoning. Um, here is a view looking from Washington Avenue and South Point Drive looking southwest. Notice a pedestrian plaza. This is where many times a day
pedestrians walking up and down South Point Drive cut through the plaza. We welcome that. We consider to give back to the community. It doesn't represent any type of security risk. And this is be the focus of the application today is revamping that plaza. Looks a little bit
windswept. Now we're going to vastly improve it. Next slide. This is another view looking west from Washington and South Point Drive with a view of the Portico Share in the background and the plaza in the foreground. Next slide. This is a view looking south of South
Point Drive. Notice a very tiny apogee sign. We hope to improve that. It's a view of the Portico Share and the driveway. Next slide. This is an uplose view of the portico looking from South Point Drive to the southeast. Next
slide. This is a view a little bit farther back also of the portico um and the sidewalk which is very large in front of uh Apogee at that point. Next slide. This is the west sideyard that
Alejandro mentioned. Our proposals to put a fence and landscaping right next to the sidewalk area. I think when this was originally developed, there was no thought given to security. Since its original construction, security has
become a huge issue for the association. Homeless people routinely try to camp out there at night. Teenagers tend to go there and cause trouble and mischief. Also, we don't want that. The residents don't feel safe actually even going to that sideyard right now. So, we're
proposing to yes, have a fence there and some landscaping. Um staff has described this as a open space view corridor. There is no view of the park nor government cut from this vantage point
at South Point Drive. If we do our improvements, which we with your permission, we we will do um the open space will still remain. I just don't think it's correct to describe this as a view corridor. And in addition, there's it's just not right to promote a view
corridor through someone's private property. And even if there was a view corridor, which I dispute, you all have to balance the security of the residence versus the idea that there's some sort of view corridor here. And I would hope in that consideration, security of the residence would come first. Next slide.
Now, I'm going to turn over to our very capable landscape architect. He's going to walk you through his design for this project. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Michael. Um, our strategy really was to renovate the east side streetscape, um, enhance
property wayfinding signage because, uh, like they should at the in the photo photograph, there's a small identification sign in the middle of the property and not really addressing West Point Drive and u uh, Washington Avenue itself. Also too, we looked at the
facade of the building too and kind of a little bit of vastness I'll talk about here in in a second. Um, and also too to improve kind of pedestrian accessibility through the site and site safety too. Um, and also to diversifying planting. Uh, and also to working with the re west
side as we were talking about with the fencing. Um, the the plaza currently is about 11,000 square feet of paving. And what we're proposing to do is to re um recycle this paving. We have ample space to store it on the west side of the building and bring it back into the site
in a different geometry. Um what we did too is look at the context of South Point Park and kind of the diversified uh canopy structure and the shading and kind of what our um our our kind of strategy was to bring a little bit of the essence of South Point Park up into
the east side streetscape and create kind of a entry into the park as kind of uniform with the park. Uh we came up with a strategy that created five different planting areas and u three different u passageways and these were really identified through a a lengthy um
site inventory and analysis process by monitoring how people walk through the space. The north and south is kind of the cutthrough people were doing. the east and west comes from really the residents and there's kind of a a roundabout area that the residents could cut through to and also the community to
enjoy what we're proposing is a canopy that would be here. So within these five different areas we introduced five um shallow detention areas to help with the drainage in the area because that's a main part of the problem of the paving upheaval is the draining how it's
deflected too also is the base layer for it. I think these are granite papavers and they were set on a a a surface that was made for concrete pavers. The granite is much more denser, heavier. Over time, it's done that uh kind of sinking. Uh also too, what we're
proposing to in these areas is to put them on a concret about a 4-in concrete base and mortar them to the to the pavers to that base. So over time we'll have a little bit more durability uh and to the canopy that supports over
this. So uh the community can kind of walk through a nice green space that leads into the park to itself. Uh kind of here on the west uh kind of the starkness and monoculture is bringing a little bit more diversity to the tree canopy shading and kind of reducing
urban heat urban heat island effects too as well. Uh kind of the park as it is too. You can start to see that the trees along the uh the left there are live oaks that are kind of really stunted in growth. And where what we're thinking is it's also too it's a wind tunnel and the microclimatic
conditions of this are a challenge. Uh and also too I think the soil underneath it is a very heavy limestone base. So where we're going to bring back in is really good planting soil to hopefully all these thrive over time. Uh so kind of a look to the west and kind of even
the canopy too would be high enough that there's for security like visual uh um sight lines through the whole site and to leading up to the uh the fountain too and adding kind of a low hedge to cut in between the fountain itself. I think what Michael was talking about
homeless and kind of vandals, but there's also too, we noticed through our site visits too, is like tourists that come up here and pose in front of this fountain to it as well as there's also been I think some breaches of security of people actually walking into the fountain. So providing just kind of a
little bit of a buffer, vegetated buffer rather than kind of a hardcape buffer itself. Uh and then two, this has been the main uh north south axis coming into the park. You can see on the right how we're starting to work with the sign at Wayfinding signage to identify the exit and entry and into the site as well. The
the address um kind of coming from West Point Drive to the east looking kind of the form of the building also to the signage itself. We're proposing the signage to kind of look in on each side. from Washington and West Point um South Point Drive will
notice u the property identification signage as well here on the right with like a travertine type wall material with the address and the inter exit of vehicular and also to introducing the U louver system to kind of work with that
stark facade and actually in the one to one when you're up next to it it's quite vast but um it helps the building land in the landscape a little bit better to itself out and taking that that form and adding what we're uh proposing is like a structural aluminum uh louver system
with kind of a break there that runs parallel with the um portico share itself to kind of cut that material. Here's the actual two two dimensional elevations and also to the portico share itself. You can see kind of the vastness of the
stucco have about a 6 in uh recessed drop ceiling. We're also proposing to have that kind of same materiality on that turn into a different plane coming straight into the lobby itself and turning the the planters around the building too, raising them about 18 in
to allow for enough root ball space to have kind of significant trees within this um within the what what are decommissioned fountains actually in the front. And then here from the west side approaching uh the building itself and how the louver system, the signage works
and the the fence on the west side yard which is highly permeable. Um it's the same material tonality as the louver system. It would be made of a structural aluminum. We're proposing kind of a weave there where that's where the the woman is is the 15 foot fire truck
egress egress uh access. And what we're proposing is a woven mesh that really plays off there's a mesh inside the lobby at APG and kind of bringing that materiality and form into the public realm itself which allows like visibility through the site but also
provides a lot of security for the residents to use this space safely. It's like off leash dogs and also children can play there too safely. Um, I think I'll turn it back to Michael. And this shows kind of just a diagram of where
the fence would be on the north side to the left is the double gate for the fire truck egress and two uh pedestrian um access gates for the residents and also to further to the south for uh for a service.
And so the extent of the intervention would be the west side streetscape are dry vialis uh east side streetscape and as well leading into the planters coming down into South Point Park too. They have live oaks that are planted in that kind of dense um I think wrong planting
soil stunted growth and we're proposing them to replace those with uh green buttonwood trees which are working throughout the park the neighborhood and across the street too. So So those are our three requests. It's the east side streetscape improvements,
the building facade accessibility, signage, wayfinding, and then the west side streetscape improvements. Next slide. As usual, we try to go out and obtain neighbor support. Here we have South Fifth Neighborhood Association, which is the master association for this neighborhood. Morano is our neighbor to
the west, we have their support. Portoino is our neighbor to the east, we have their support. Next slide. These are the two conditions that relate to the west sideyard is basically saying that don't install the fence and don't install the landscaping. We strongly
disagree with these conditions and ask for their removal. We think that we have sufficient details for the fence and the landscaping for you all to approve them today and we respectfully request um your approval. We'd like to reserve time for rebuttal and our whole team is
available for your questions. Thank you. Um, is that everybody from your side who's speaking? >> Um, there might be some that will speak during the public hearing portion. >> Okay. Um, we can open this up to the public. Anybody who'd like to speak online,
please raise your hand or in person. >> Good morning, Joseph Milton. Uh 800 South Point Drive, pardon me 11. >> Excuse me, sir. Were you sworn in earlier this morning? >> Was I sworn? No. >> Oh. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
>> I do. >> Thank you. >> All right. 800 South Point Drive, Unit 1101. I'm a resident of the community. I've been living there now for 7 years. I'm a full-time resident. I live there year round. And um Apogee is fantastic community, but as part of the developer
turning over the plaza space to the east, we have very little green space. I mean, very little green space to to share with our children, uh to go out and play and to walk our dogs really. There there's just that space to the west. By not having a fence, there is no
security. I mean, you can't really be out there and release your dog. You got to be careful playing with your children. So, it is it is a security issue just on the quality of life. If you're a resident there, I I want to bring the clarity because they say, "Well, you're going to be blocking this
and it's very close to the sidewalk." The fence is being placed 25 ft from the sidewalk. So, it's substantially far from the sidewalk. And this fence is 5 ft, which is really not a tall fence. It's actually considered a low fence. The Morano fence, which is immediately
uh west of us, is a 6ft fence. And it's not really a nice decorative fence. And that fence location is 10 ft north of the location of our fence. So really on the west side there is a 25 ft plaza between the sidewalk and the recommended
place where the fence would be. So I want to thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> We have online. We have uh Alex's phone too. >> Alex, do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. >> Thank you. Please state your name and address. Uh you have two minutes. >> Yeah. Um Alex Hurst, 800 South Point Drive. I've been a full-time resident at Apogee for um eight years now. Uh seven years, sorry. And uh no, eight years.
And I'm president of the Apogee Condominium Association. So, thank you guys for for taking the time to hear um to hear from us today. Uh two things I'd like to emphasize. the the westside yard. Um what we intend or would like to
do with the westside yard um really has two two sort of main drivers. The first is um as people have mentioned um there is a security issue currently with that with with that yard um which which is the building's property. Having lived there for 8 years, I've had multiple
incidents where there have been homeless people um in that yard. There have been people wandering around who think it's public property. Um there's also a real issue of people walking their dogs in that space. Um and it's simply not functional green space for the building.
Um every other property in that neighborhood, including Morano Portoino, which is next door to us, have fenced off their areas um using way less interesting designs um and way closer to public spaces,
meaning sidewalks, than what we're intending to do here. So, uh, this is a security issue. It's a it's a quality of life issue. I don't think it impacts, in theory, it shouldn't impact anybody who lives in the neighborhood or comes through the neighborhood because that space in theory isn't isn't theirs to
use. Um, and so by putting a decorative fence there, I think we're making that turn from South Point Drive from from uh as you come down Alton onto South Point Drive um a lot prettier. I also think you're we're solving a security issue.
Um, and there simply isn't any view corridor down as you look south through that space. I've lived in that building for years. In fact, if anything, I think it's a it's a it's a negative view corridor. There's just simply nothing to look at um as you look down north to
south um towards South Point Park. Um it's never been a view corridor. And I just think that's a that's not that's not a an accurate description of of that space. and frankly what we intend to do by putting a fence there. I think if anything it makes it aesthetically more
positive. Um in addition, our plan to beautify the west side, I'm sorry, the east side plaza we think is a huge addition um for the neighborhood. It will make the entrance to the the for all practical purposes, the main entrance to South Point Park um a way
better experience for people versus a windswept plaza that really doesn't serve any purpose and frankly feels like a barren space and has never worked um since it was built by the developers. So, you know, that that's an expense to
the building to do that. And you know, we think we're adding to the to the community as does Sofna and others. Um our neighbors think that's a really good idea and and so we hope that um this committee, you know, takes all of this into consideration um as they seek to
potentially approve this project. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anybody else online? >> I see no other hands are raised. some people public. >> Matthew, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
>> I do. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good morning, everyone. My name is Matthew Ganoff. I live at 125 Jefferson Avenue. And uh I want to I just recently learned about this project and I saw that our neighborhood association that
says that they represent 5,000 uh residents of the South of Fifth neighborhood that they reviewed this plan. I've attended every meeting of the South Fifth Neighborhood Association that's been duly noted. Uh I have received the agendas and I've never seen
this project presented to the South of Fifth Neighborhood Association. So I'm concerned that they're expressing support when this hasn't been in front of the neighborhood association um for review for comments there. Um so I did
watch the presentation and it was great to learn more about it. I walk by this location either on the east or the west side entrances to South Point Park with my family, with my children many times per week. And I'll agree to our landscape architect that the live oaks
are stunted and that this will be a great addition to replace those of more appropriate trees. Um, but I am concerned about this trend in the city of taking public spaces and making them hostile to people to enjoy.
And I'm not saying that this is a public space. I don't know the history of the development of the Apogee. I do know that other big projects in the south of Fifth neighborhood, there have been some uh what do they call that? Uh privately operated public spaces. For example, the
One Ocean project has a little park area that actually is open to the public, but it was locked up for years. So, there may be some history that perhaps we could learn about. Um, but I'm concerned about making public spaces hostile of hostile architecture with SEPTAD
principles with uh making it so that people can't enjoy these public spaces because South Point Park is a gem. The roads and the public rights away that lead towards there publicly accessible areas are beautifully done in the south
of fifth neighborhood. Um, I've worked with Raelio and Alejandro. I previously served on the planning board. I have immense respect for the work that they do and if they're making recommendations, I imagine that there's good reasons for it. So, I just want to
say that um I have concerns about the neighborhood association saying that they fully support it when it hasn't been presented to that neighborhood association. Um I have respect for the staff that makes these recommendations. And lastly, I just want to say the Apogee are like the quiet neighbors that bother no one. Um no one really hears
from them. um you know they are a big presence along South Point Drive but they don't cause problems and I think that's a good thing um in a city where many people make a lot of noise about things that are going on. Um so I'm not here speaking for or against this project just to be clear. I'm just
saying that the staff's professional opinion I think should be taken with a serious um in a serious manner. Thank you. >> Thank you. Good morning members of the board. I appreciate the opportunity to be here today and I'm speaking as a
representative of Apogee Conamanium and from the perspective of someone who has been personally managing the security team operations for approximately over a decade. >> Do I will provide some of >> what's your name? My name is Logan
Gonzalez, uh, captain of security. >> Were you sworn in before? >> Yes, sir. >> I will provide some examples and incidents we deal with on a daily basis. January 4th, 2026, at approximately 9:30
a.m., security was notified of two individuals walking two dogs off the leash of the property. The individual's dogs approached a resident who was walking their dog, creating a concerning situation. One confronted the individual stated
that they believed the property was public. Security clarified that the area was private property and the dogs must be kept on a leash in accordance to the property rules. July 3rd, 2025, at approximately 7 a.m., a resident reported observing an unknown
individual of two dogs removing a roll of the pet waste bags from the wastist station located on the property. The individual was described to be a stranger and not recognized as a resident of the building. Security was notified of the situation and documented
the incident. Security personnel will remain alert and monitor the area of for the individual that should return to the property. My goal today is not to oppose the progress or improvements but to ensure that security considerations are fully
integrated into the planning process. By doing so, we protect not only the physical property but also the lifestyle comfort and confidence of the residents of here at Apogee. >> Thank you. Thank you for your time and
consideration. >> We do have another hand that was raised online. Uh Keith, >> Keith, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. uh Keith Marks, 50 South Point
Drive. Um speaking as an individual, but also want to clarify, I'm a little confused myself. Uh no, SNA did not do a presentation. I'm not aware. I if there is a letter I assume it was signed by
Allison Herman uh who was supposed to uh provide just a Portoino and Portoino master support. We did not bring this in front of SNA uh but and this is a huge butt. as someone who has 13 acres
completely fenced in, spends over a million dollars plus on uh software uh security and about the same for guards. Uh I find it just ridiculous is the word
uh as opposed to respectful that the uh staff would talk about view corridors of a private property that's not secured. Uh we have as recently as this week had the police
uh send us warnings about breakins uh and having social media influencers who want to go to the rooftops of buildings and take dangerous pictures of them standing on the crowns of roofs. Uh we have to secure our properties. It's
their right. Uh it is not the city's right to tell somebody about view corridors of private property even though there isn't one at Apogee and I implore uh the board to consider the residents residents rights and the and
the security aspect of high uh rent properties, high owned properties and the difficulty of and the money spent trying to secure it. I cannot imagine if we had area uh equivalent in continuum
that was open uh what it would do to our residents. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else online or on? >> No other hands raised online. >> Anybody else from the public? That uh concludes our public
portion. >> Just a brief rebuttal, Mr. chairman. So, this west sideyard is not a public space. It's private property. And under the case law in the state of Florida, there is no right to a view across private property to any particular
vista. Whether it's a neighbor wanting it or the city, there just no right to it. You know, the city has characterized this area as a open space view corridor. The open space is correct and the open space will remain once these improvements are installed, but there
simply is no view corridor from South Point Drive looking south to Government Cut or South Point Park. It doesn't exist. It never has. So, with that, we'll conclude our rebuttal. And again, we respect uh we ask for your favorable approval today. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you. Um that'll open it up to the board. >> Yeah. No, I'm opening it up. >> Yeah. Um, >> I guess my first point would be I wish more buildings did this.
>> What's that? >> I wish more buildings would do this. >> Yeah. >> In the public spaces because you're basically creating a barren public space turned into a park that the public can enjoy. >> I do agree you need a fence because
all the concerns that all the residents have noted that they live there on a daily basis. So, why would they not >> be the best ones to judge in that? But let's just Yeah. >> Um, it's a warmer, greener, and more inviting design. And it's uh I love the
the vegetation and the trees. And are they going to be full grown when they're planted or they going to be saplings when they >> Oh, they'll be established trees. >> Established trees. >> Not not collected, but it's kind of best to put them in a little young. let them get acclimated to the environment cuz it's a lot of wind tunnel and even to
like the solar aspect from the building. >> It's a very challenging area there on the east and north side >> which is exactly why I appreciate having more >> uh grow uh >> growth I mean vegetation in the place.
So I have no no comments about the design. I think it's great. >> Great. >> I like it. >> Thank you sir. >> Thank you. Hi. Um, I just want to second what you said, Akil. I think that it's an incredible enhancement to the neighborhood. I live south of Fifth and
I think that with the design that you guys have proposed, you're joining the community. It's a much warmer design and feels like you're really participating in the amazing park grounds that we have around there. I also um Case being uh
the most important um that green that's the dog run or whatever is not a view corridor. I've only really noticed it a few times when when walking that path um many times. I think the fence you're proposing is both tasteful and much more respectful of people's ability to have a
view. So, thank you for this great proposal. >> Thank you very much. >> Um great presentation. I happen to be a direct neighbor to this site and I um and I walk my dog through uh that area
every day. Is the area to the east of the building that you're beautifying, is that any different than the area to the west? In other words, it's still private property on the east side of the building. Correct. >> Mhm. >> And but people walk through it, >> right?
>> And Apogee allows people to walk through it, but it's private property. Correct. Right. That's our choice though as private property. Correct. And on the right side, it's open space. So, by default, when people see it, they see the left side, they see the right side. You can walk through the left side. You're like, "Why can't you walk through
the right side?" I'll tell you that. >> Um, incorrectly since it's private property, but it's kind of looks inviting. I walk my dog in and I'll grab, you know, poop bags from that side and and he'll stop there for a second. I'll continue to walk my, you know, my
way. same way that people walk through Murano and we have that lawn area which is just east I mean just west of our building that go borders the boardwalk and people used to walk in that lawn a lot they put a small hedge of landscaping to prevent people just to
walk in so it's not so inviting to just walk in since it's open space on both sides that being said it's definitely not open corridor space you can never see the park through there um is the idea to fence in that area because you also want
to remove the fence of the dog park area that you guys have internally there to make it one big area or you going to still leave the fence between that area and the area that you currently have fenced in already. >> Good question. >> We're proposing to remove the existing fence. >> So, you're going to remove that fence
and make that whole entire area just one big >> Yes. accessible >> backyard gated area. >> Exactly. >> Understood. >> Um I think it's beautiful. Uh maybe the recommendation, you know, staff recommendation is four feet and you're
planning on five feet. Maybe the recommendation is to possibly, you know, defer to the 4T height versus the 5t height on the fence. Maybe the landscaping could add on to that as a as a possible uh option. The beautifification to the structure of the
building, to the facade is absolutely gorgeous. I think it's going to add a lot of value to the building, to the area. just looking at it aesthetically it looks great. Um, and on a side note I want to just make reference to what Matthew brought up regarding the uh
approval recommendation letters letters of support from the associations. >> It would be good um Michael to have these letters I don't know is there a date to these letters because these letters don't have any dates on them. Um, and it would also be good that these
letters in general, not specifically about this project. I think it's beautiful, but I don't think it's right to have letters of recommendation from associations without having a date, number one, and number two, mentioning that it was brought up on, you know, a board meeting or to the neighborhood or
to the association and that it was a favorable vote. Uh there's also a letter there from uh John DiCaprio from Murano's association giving their letter of support that was also never brought up to our building. So no one in our building has seen this proposal. Um so
that's another letter that was sent not saying that they're going against you know staff recommendation as the building but the building's never seen it. >> Mhm. So I think just as a general policy when we receive these letters because if I'm listening to this presentation from
an outsers's perspective, I hear this and I automatically I assume that it was brought up, it was discussed, everybody was in favor of it and they gave you a letter of recommendation and it's not the case. >> I'm not saying that the buildings or the associations would not have, you know,
been in favor of it. So, uh, it's not necessarily about this particular project because it's a beautiful proposal, but in general, I don't think that the public should assume now by seeing this that these letters of recommendations are in essence valid and it's not just an opinion of one board
member or one person from an association. Understood. >> Cool. Great presentation. Love the project. Thank you. >> U, thank you again. Yeah, I think this is a beautiful enhancement overall. Um,
on the east side plaza, I agree with everyone here. Um, I'm I'm very happy with the changes. I think that the diversity and the plant life is is much needed and it's going to um really enhance that space because I know that
is a direct corridor to the park obviously. Um, I do think the in the in the case study that you show or the inspiration from South Point Park, I mean that's one of my favorite areas of South Point Park. Uh, I think it's a nice difference to the manicured, you
know, lawns that make up most of South Point Park. And I think, you know, this is just a suggestion. One of the things that I think makes that space so successful is the like it kind of reminds me of like a native pre-development Florida. The plant life
there is is is different. There's there I think there's cabbage palms. There's things like that that just speak more to like the original Florida. and and I realize you're trying to keep, you know, some of these existing palms that you've got, but perhaps just with I think there's some grasses and stuff that they
use. Um, that's just a suggestion of mine to maybe kind of pick up that more natural Florida landscape. Um, but in terms of just having diversity and shade trees there, I think that's such a much needed um enhancement to the space.
um on the building facade. I I'm largely happy with that. I wish we saw a sample of the cladding though. >> Sorry about that. >> Um it is um I think Yeah, I just wish I could have kind of like seen how that was going to interplay. Do you have that
cladding used anywhere else on the building or is this going to be like a brand new >> It's just the east, north, and west sides of the building. >> Okay. And it's not it's not incorporated anywhere else as existing, right? This is new. Okay. >> Um, so yeah, I guess I just could have
seen that a little bit more, but I do think it makes it more warm overall, assuming, you know, it's it's it's incorporated as presented here. Um, and then as to the west side, yeah, I agree. I mean, I live
nearby. I'm not in South of Fifth, but I live pretty close and I go by here all the time. I don't know. that space just I I didn't know what it was kind of is the vibe I got from it. Um so I really don't have a personal objection with with the fencing. I do wish, you know, maybe we could have seen more detail on
it, but in terms of of closing off that area. I I don't think it's hurting the public um to to close that off. You there's no direct way to get to the South Point from there, nor is there really a view to be seen. So, um I'm
overall okay with the fencing. Um I think like one of you all suggested perhaps incorporating some shrubbery or something may make it less, you know, like fortressy or something. But I don't not that I think that the the one image we have of the gate >> looks that way, but
>> um that could be a nice way to just make it, you know, less like this is private property, but um still maintain some separateness. Um so, thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you guys. >> Um, so
was the neighborhood association presented with the plans? >> Yes or no? >> Um, we worked with uh Allison Herman from she is a board member that of the South of Neighborhood Association and she's a president of Portoino Association and then John Caprio.
>> Oh, was there a public neighborhood association? >> No, I don't think that there was >> community presentation. Okay. Just wanted to make sure that um am I can since we haven't discussed this, can I understand the staff's concern with the with the fence?
>> Sure. When when you want to when when this was first approved, it was a view corridor to the bay. Um we have you can see we have some images 2009 Google, you can see that the there was a view corridor to the bay. Um, and that's something that we commonly try to
encourage. It's part of uh if if this were directly on Biscane Bay, it would be subject to the Biscane Bay Shoreline Review Committee, which requires that there be uh view corridors facing the bay. One of the design review criteria um
let me go to it is um that the proposed structure has an orientation and massing which is sensitive to and compatible with the building site and surrounding area and which creates or maintains important view corridors. So when this building was first approved, there was a view corridor that allowed a view to the
bay. And so staff's recommendation is in is essentially to maintain that that view corridor that existed. It's true that since then trees have grown in um in South Point Park that have uh blocked that view that used to exist to the bay.
Um but staff's recommendation comes from that. There was a view corridor there that was um that provided a view out to the bay. Um and so that's that's where our recommendation stems from. Chair, >> chair, >> just um to clarify because again I I
live there and the Alaskan site when that was given back to you know in the negotiations back in 2004 when that was organized between related and the city and there was a lawsuit that was settled that portion of Apogee was given back to the city and
that corridor there were large trees that were installed by the city on that site. So there hasn't been a view corridor to the park or the bay there for over a decade because trees were installed there by the city for the park
which eliminated the view corridor. So that view corridor >> Mhm. >> does not exist >> does not exist ever for I mean for a very long time because of the city because the city planted those trees on the park and they're big trees. They're not small trees. >> Mhm.
Um, all right. I'm break this down into three parts. East, west, and and then the cladding. >> Um, east seems like drastic improvement and a nice entryway to the park. Um, obviously
water control is major there. Um, I don't see seating there and maybe on purpose. Um, within the renderings is is that trying to not activate it. So people sit there and I assume this is maintained by the building.
>> Mhm. >> It is. That's correct. >> Is you you don't you don't want people to sit there for for any reason just putting any benches or or something simple like that. >> There are there are no benches proposed. It's it's mainly just a a pass through corridor. Exactly how it is today, how
it functions. >> Um no, I think I think it's nice. And so you're you're taking that regular grid that was there of palms and bringing it closer to the sort of native. I think that's nice. Um now the cladding um I
think to your point, is there a renovation of the lobby going on or anything on the interior? >> Yes, there is. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, is there It's hard because I'm looking at cladding and it's like, okay, this is a
minimalist monolithic ground entrance that has it's quite unique. I I uh and and always sort of stuck out as stark like that. And and I get some of these moves here. It's hard for me to to look at the cladding
without understanding what's happening inside because I I don't mind so much the wall cladding, but the horoscare underside is softens it up, but that's sort of a a main architectural element that I'd like
to know if that translates inside. What's the holistic vision for this? Because the uh you're changing the you're changing completely the look of the base of this building. >> Yeah. And and I had the same feel that you did. I thought that that white stark um look was floating over water was
something that I had seen before out in um Kalatra's work out in Spain. And it's beautiful. It really creates a beautiful reflective feeling. Um the the louvers are a wood finish, and I don't mean a wood paint like like it's not a smooth finish like you see here. It's actually
a textured wood finish that's applied to the metal aluminum. and it and it feels real. It just it's also made out of of of a more of a PVC material to be able to hold the weather. Uh so it has a real natural wood look to it, which is what that's what you want. You don't want it
to feel like like a metal finish. In the in the lobby, we are we are planning to open up the lobby by removing these metal louvers that we currently have in the lobby. If you ever got into our lobby, you have these huge metal louvers. you really can't see through to the waterfall to the water feature which we're also enhancing that by creating
more volume and more um break as it falls so you can see more of it as you're walking into the building. Uh so it'll be much more open and I and we really feel the louvers really more like tunnel you right in there in a very in a more warmer environment than what you currently have. So, we're also that the
treads and we spoke about the treads being enhanced to give you a more elegant feel. Instead of having these these 12-in treads, they're going to 18inch treads. So, the whole entrance will feel more elegant. But the the idea of the of the lobby and there is consideration also to bring wood into the lobby. But that that the lobby
committee is still working on. In fact, we have a meeting on that uh Monday to to consider bringing wood into the lobby. Um because right now really the lobby walls are all all stoned. But it is also a a a a stone that that reflects very similar colors to the wood that
you're going to see in the louvers uh wrapping the base of the building. >> Gotcha. Thank you. So the the lobby design isn't completed yet. >> It's incomplete but conceptually it is to open it up. Uh and we are we are um making minor changes but we haven't
really defined them yet. >> Okay. Um thank you for me. >> Thank you. um in the the reference to to color is true because the reflecting pools that's that's what
stands out for that building. Um, east side I'm I think I'm more so leaning with the board here that you guys want a private dog run that's bigger that's controlled and you're going to landscape it beautifully and
and this will be more secure and there we're not we're not blocking anything that wasn't already blocked. So, I don't see I understand the staff's preservation of the original intent for sure. Um, and that was a good point
about um them planting the city planting trees when when it was given over. So, they sort of blocked it on their own years ago. Um, >> I'm not I can't I'm not making any >> Can I make a motion? >> I'd like to make a motion that we uh
approve uh the plans as presented with a modification that the fence be 4 feet per staff's recommendation instead of 5T. >> And then add Laura's suggestion about additional landscaping. I think yes, that's fine.
Is anyone in is anyone have any concern with the cladding of the of the canopy and the walls that I do for potentially breaking that port art that part of the project out to further look at?
>> Not really. >> I don't know. I mean, I sort of trust where the design's going. Um, ideally, yes. But I don't want to I don't know if it's necessary to hold up the approval. I don't that's
just my my thought. I I I trust that I mean I think we can leave that to staff that you know the the materials are going to be of a quality that is acceptable um for the you know the neighborhood. Um,
>> and and maybe we I'll reinforce to there's a lot of slots around Miami. This material is used with a lot of people in this room and a lot of architects and myself. It's nice and
it's in I I I use it. I like it. But just keeping the the preservation of the original architecture and materials in mind, which I know you have. I'm just sort of saying this out loud out loud.
Um, when working with staff on this, thank you. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Yep. and and just the removal of the two staff conditions that prohibit the fence
and prohibit the landscaping in the west side yard. >> Yes. >> Thank you, sir. >> I forget the the height of the fence >> to 4T >> per staff recommendation to 4T >> to 4T >> including the landscape around the fence. >> That's a long fence.
>> Sorry, one last thing. Is is the flooding in the road right there? There's no way that what you're planting there can help absorb >> what's happening there because >> that corner is >> No, there's there's no there's no water flooding that goes back to that area at
all. >> Right. But that is the corner that's always flooded, right? >> No. >> Okay. I just feel like >> it it's uh now with city, you know, water pumps and they they're very active on that on that side, >> but that that corner does not get flooded. >> Okay. All right. I was like, if they're
going to redo this, maybe they could absorb a little of the water if it was >> on on the premises if possible. >> Back there is pretty high. There's never been water to that level. >> There's no water issue. >> No. >> I just remember like driving through a lot of puddles somewhere else. Yeah. >> Okay. So, it's >> Thank god they they fixed that.
>> Okay, good. All right. Never mind that. >> Okay. So, we had um a motion. The motion is to um we'll revise the condition so that the fence and gate shall be permitted not to exceed 4 feet. And then we'll add subject to review and approval of staff.
And then we will revise the landscape condition um so that the proposed new landscaping located on the north side of the site uh to the west of the driveway shall be permitted. Um, and the entire and then I'll and then I'll strike the sentence that says the entire west side shall retain the
current planning design with no changes. >> Laura had wanted enhanced landscaping >> enhanced landscaping to that >> the lighting elements I'm sorry through the chair um the the proposed I don't remember seeing the the lighting elements on either side specifically
more on the east side to all the trees you're adding are all of them being properly covered with landscaping throughout. Yes. >> Okay. I would imagine >> we I brought this up before. The lighting is is critical in the design and so again I think staff
takes care of the lighting per per gold and and everything which >> low low lighting less less less post lighting. >> Agreed. >> Okay. So we had a motion by Mr. Rion. Did we have a second? >> Second. >> Second by Mr. Lester. All right. Um, all
those in favor? >> I >> I. Any opposed? No. Motion passes. >> Great. Thank you all for your time. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> Okay. And the coin will be 100 continued. So we will go to 104 San Marino. Okay.
>> Yeah. >> Um the next item on the agenda is the RB25 1147 104 East San Marino Drive. Uh this application has been filed requesting design review approval for the new construction of a two-story residence including a variance of the
rear yard setback requirements for the construction of a spiral stair. A variance for the required sideyard facing the street for a planter and a terrace and a variance for the construction of a walk of walkways and stairs to exceed 44 in in width to be
located in the required sideyard facing the street and a variance of the required yard open space including one or more waiverss to replace an existing residence. Okay, so u this is an application for a single family home. It's located on San
Marino Island, which is one of the Venetian islands. It is in the RS4 district. Um it is an interior lot. It is 7,66 square ft. Um the lot um is oriented where the functional front yard
is on the side facing a street and what is the actual front yard is actually treated as a side facing a street. So that is consistent with the way the homes are oriented um along San Marino Drive um where where the the corner lots
typically have their front on the longer side which is not what is typical in the city. Typically the narrow side is the front of the home. Um the um application uh is proposing for a home um that is of
a contemporary style. Um has um um interesting materials that that are being used. Um they are seeking some waiverss as a result of the orientation of the home. Um so given that the functional front yard of the home is a
side facing a street um and this uh the home has a length that is greater than 60 feet they are requesting a waiver of the open space requirement that is required for uh homes that exceed 60 ft. staff is not opposed to the granting of
that uh of that waiver given that the facade of the home is designed to include movement um and articulation that that provides visual interest. That is the intent of that uh of that code section. They're seeking the same waiver on both the rear of the home which is
actually a side interior yard. So this this home because of the orientation does have um some oddities um which lead to the variances that I'll describe. Um staff is supportive of the granting of the waivers. Staff is supportive of the design of the home. Um and the applicant
will will walk you through that design. The applicant is seeking four waivers. Um the first waiver, I'm sorry, four variances. The first variance is for a spiral staircase. Um the applicant is requesting to reduce the required rear yard setback of 20 ft uh by 3'6 in in
order to allow a spiral staircase that is 16 ft 6 in from the rear yard lot line. Um the rear yard is functionally a sideyard. Um so this is basically the the main location where that spiral staircase can be located. That spiral
staircase is to allow the applicant to get to the roof deck. Um staff is not opposed to the granting of this of this uh variance because if it were an actual side interior yard, it would be compliant with the with the required setback. Um the second variance is a
terrace and planter variance. The applicant um is requesting a a variance to allow for an entry planter and step to exceed the required setback by 3 in for a terrace and 1 ft 3 in for a planter to allow for a greater
projection than what would otherwise be allowed. Um staff is not supportive of this particular variance given that that uh staff believes that if it were just remove reduced by 3 in uh for the walkway and the foot 6 in a foot 3 in for the planter it would comply with the
code requirements this walkway would not significantly alter the design or the function functioning of the of the property. Um so we don't believe that it rises to the level of there being a hardship or a practical difficulty. So this is this is the one variance that staff is not supportive of. The rest of
the variances we are supportive of. The next variance is a variance for stairs and walkways. Um this is to um allow uh stairs and walkways in the front yard to exceed the maximum width of 44 in. Uh given that the front of the
home is on a side facing a street, the proportions of that frontage um lead to the need for a greater width of a walkway. Otherwise it would it would um um architecturally create some uh a disproportionate disproportionately
narrow walkway given the width of that frontage. Um so that does create a practical difficulty uh for the applicant. Um and that the you know so the orientation of the home that is predominant in this area does lead for the need for does lead to the need for a greater width for that walkway and staff
is supportive of that variance. The next variance is for the pervis pvious area. Um, this is in the rear yard which is actually functioning as a sideyard. It's in the same area where that uh circular staircase is located. Um, the applicant is requesting to reduce the required
rear yard pvious open space of 70% to 53.4%. Because it's functioning as a sideyard, this is really the only location where the applicant can locate their driveway and their parking. Um, so staff um is supportive of the granting of this variance because it does allow them to
put the parking in what is a functional sideyard. If this were actually a sideyard, they would be in compliance with the code requirements, but since it is technically their rear yard, um, they do require that variance and staff is not opposed to the granting of that variance. Um, so with that, staff recommends that the application be
approved, including variances number one, three, and four. And staff recommends that variance number two be denied um, and subject to the conditions in the attached draft order. Are there any disclosures on this application? >> Uh, and sir, can I please swear you in?
>> No, I'm sworn in. >> Oh, okay. Okay, great. >> Uh, I'm Ralph Chof. Uh, I am, uh, founding partner at Chof Levy Fishman Architects in uh, Windwood in Miami. And here we have a two-story residence
that's located on a corner lot on Miami Beach at San Marino. It's an interior lot, but it's a corner lot. Because of its corner designation or its corner location, it makes the setbacks a little
bit difficult to work with. But, um, I'm going to go ahead and first of all, I'd like to show the, um, what the house looks like. The house is u going to be a co a combination of uh natural concrete
limestone uh and uh we have a material that's a screening that you'll see in the front and the screening unfortunately it doesn't stretch here but when stretched it opens up all the way and that's the screening you'll see in the front over
there and we wanted to use this in lie of the verticals that you see to make the house a little bit more design friendly. Uh there is quite a bit of movement on in the house both uh in in
all elevations especially facing the um uh the west I'm sorry the east which is um the the side street of the house. So I'll go over the variances with you and why we're requesting them. The first
variance let's go to the the of sheet uh A80. Okay. And uh the first variance you'll see you'll see a spiral staircase on the right side there. That spiral staircase is a minimal spiral staircase and it goes to the roof. There is no
roof use. There is no roof lounge, but we do have equipment on the roof. So the reason for that in that location, first of all, it really won't be seen because of the location that it's at. It's just tucked away. and also uh it uh we can access all the air conditioning and
generator equipment that's on the roof and that's the reason for that. The second uh request we have uh is the driveway which is technically the rear setback because of the orientation and location of the lot on a corner
property. uh to put a pool there is a very awkward location as it's going to receive minimal sunlight and to put it on the corner it receives maximum sunlight and as well because of the code we have to set back the pool the same as
we set back a a building or a structure which is 20 ft from that side. So the entire what is technically the front but it's the side street is now going to be fully landscaped 100%.
And then of course most of the uh of the side street the actual long portion of the lot is going to be uh landscaped as well. The other uh so that's uh the variance is we have to have 70% pvious
in the rear. And of course, if we put a driveway there to to fit a car or two, uh we're not going to achieve that. But what we will do is put grass pavers so the grass grows through them and it look like a grass in yard. Unfortunately,
grass pavers are not considered impervious uh or or pvious I should say. So uh we have to count that towards uh the 70%. So that's another variance. Another variance we have are the front
steps. Uh could you could you put the u elevation uh that shows the front steps as we have them and then we'll show them what what can be built. Lots of drawings. Okay. Uh that is what we're proposing
for the main entrance of the house because they encroach a little bit into the uh setback that's required which is 15 ft for the side street put on the next slide. This is what we can build
according to the code. As you could see, what we have is really will have no impact at all on any neighbors or or the site, but it will have a bit major impact on the aesthetics of the house. So, that's why we're asking for that one.
Um, let me see. So, we we've taken care of the rear yard spiral stair, the variance for the front entrance. Okay. Um we've taken care of variance number three which is the walkway and stairs.
Uh we've taken care of the variance uh to wave 70% minimum rear setback. Okay. So the the next variance we're asking or or waiver this is a waiver is in the side street. So the side street uh
setback uh 50% of it must be set back an additional five feet or 20 feet uh from the the side setback. So um let me see right here. How we've done that is we have set back
the additional 5 ft in the actual residence. But we wanted to do something and if you could put the uh the the front rendering on again. um we wanted to do something with the the screening and so
technically because we're putting the screening on we don't meet the requirement of the additional 5T although the actual structure is set back the additional 5 ft if we were to take the screening off we comply but I think this is an integral part of the
design which is really really important and that's why we're asking for this and it'll make the house a lot more interesting uh the Next uh one we want to wave. Let's go into the what is technically the rear elevation. That one. So this elevation
is uh limestone natural concrete. Uh we have the bronze aluminum windows. But you'll also see where we break up that the 60 ft or what is supposed to be 60 ft. And we break it up with an area of a reflecting pond that has uh sliding
glass doors on two sides that the residents will open up into. And there's a a cascading water wall right across from the living room there. So it it it's a whole scene. Now, this faces the
neighbors on the other side. Um, in order to comply, I would have to take the uh reflecting pond out and put it on the ground, which takes away um the entire effect of what we want there
and the water coming into the residence itself. Yes. Were you going to say something, Raelia? >> Oh, okay. Um, sorry. Um, anyway, so uh that's it's a technicality that it is wide open. It's glass as you could see.
The neighbors have a have a pretty good view to look at where as regards this house. Um, are the Did I Have I gone through all of them? Raelio, >> you you missed the variance number two, which is the the only one that we're not supportive of.
>> Oh jeez, that's odd. >> The rest of it we're all supportive of. >> Okay, let's go let's go to the front elevation again. No, let's go to Yes. Okay. So,
is there another view of the front from the side? Yeah. Right now, no one. Okay. So, that planter uh exceeds uh that 15t set back by 1'6 in. And the walkway
exceeds the front set back by 3 in. Um I can move back three inches. That's not a problem. That's probably our bad. As far as the planter, I I want to create some dimensionality if I move back the walk 3 in. So, I moved back the uh the planter
3 in. So, it's 1 foot 3 in instead of 1t6 in. Um, and I can um I just wanted to have that pl that planter is going to be pretty visible in the front uh elevation of the house that people see. And I did not want it on the same plane
as the um as the actual walkway which is a change of material as well. And it's also um it's also cantalvered on uh so it doesn't really touch the ground. U so again we don't really have we have
minimal impact at at that point uh for the neighbors and but aesthetically it makes the house look better. And that's all I have to say. Thank you. >> Nice looking home. Um, anybody online?
>> Uh, anybody online? If you'd like to speak, please raise your hand. No hands online. Anybody in the public? No. It concludes the public portion. We'll open it up to the board. >> I have a question to staff. Um,
it would be great to sort of uh modify some things that we don't have to listen to for modifications if we can. Like for instance, the stairs that you're making it, you know, wider at the entrance to walk into the front door versus what is allowed. Why is that not allowed? Like
why why do we need a variance for those stairs? The the code says that when um when walkways and and related stairs are going into a setback, the maximum width is 44 in. Um unless you need a wider walkway for ADA purposes because there's
stairs. This is not this can't be considered an ADA walkway. Um that is intended to ensure that setbacks are not in overly paved. Uh minimize the amount of pavement in those setback areas. Um but that is that is a variance that
sometimes a lot often does come to the board because in in many cases on larger lots or on wider frontages it does make sense to have a wider stairway. >> So how can we make recommendations to maybe modify some of those things and make them more updated because obviously it's it's an obvious >> Mhm.
>> this is the reason this one is is it's flipped >> because it's front yard is facing the sideyard. So the code is first written for sideyards. That's important. Code's written for a sideyard. So you don't have a big stair. It's like on the narrow sideyard of a house between.
>> So this is a sideyard variance, but in actuality this is the front door. So it's the front of the house in this case. >> Got it. >> Understood. Question for you. The front door. Any reason why you made it a single versus a double kind of like a
wider entrance or how wide is that front door? >> Front door is six feet wide. It's a pivot door. >> Got it. And then it walks into the gym. >> Um, yes. Uh, >> can you explain that? Not that it m I mean >> the layout of the house is a little bit
unusual. Uh, we designed it as a living room and the gym in the back. The owner wants >> the gym to be in the front and the living room to be in the rear. So, it has not only the view of the pool, but it has the view of the reflecting pond
and the cascading water feature. So he has that as well. This is uh this particular owner also has another house on Miami Beach and he lives pro predominantly in that other house. This
house is going to be used for his family and his guests and he wants a gym which he does not currently have at his house and that's his gym to use. So he's going to come here to use it. >> Seems odd that it's not flipped. the gym on the back room in the dining. The original design was
>> was and he at his own. So, you know, whoever want >> that's how that's how he lives. >> Yeah, it's so everybody walks into the gym. >> Yeah. >> Well, the gym's to the left. You actually walk into a another area, I think. >> What do you mean? When you walk in, you
have the stairs, you have kitchen to the to the, >> you know, on the other side of a >> pantry closet. So, you walk into the gym in this house. >> Yeah. The gym is on the left. Yeah. To the left exactly when you walk in. >> Grace and I had the same feeling, but I was said, you know what, that's inside, right?
>> You know, everybody everybody has their own, you know, way of living, but it's just weird that you walk. >> And and another thing about this gym, so so you'll know, uh, first of all, he's going to have the best equipment because this is for him. Um, all the sliders open on two sides. So, not only do they
open to the front, they open to the to the to the side and they open to the pool and the other side, which is the walkway. And that means that when he's working out, he's going to feel like he's working out outside, >> which is which is beautiful. >> That's one of the things he likes. So
>> So, hey, everybody walk into the house and come right into the gym. On the on the planters that you want to put in the front, what kind of landscaping you putting in? How high is that landscaping going to be going? >> Oh, that's not going to be high. That's uh u maybe at its tallest point, two 2
and 1/2 ft above the planter. And the rest uh are wall vines. Got my only um concern with those planters staff that you were making it a common to make it a few inches further back is that sometimes if those planters are going to have larger shrubs and then they sort of
like grow out and then they kind of like encroach into the sidewalk area. >> Yeah. No. Uh you could you could see in the rendering that we we're keeping everything um they're they're hanging vines and just a little shrubbery coming up to two and a half feet.
It's not, >> you know, and it's still set back 13'9 in from the side. >> Yeah, >> it's set back 13 ft 9 in from the sidewalk and it's all that whole side is
landscaped anyway as well. >> Ralph, can you hold up the mesh again? Cuz that I think is unique feature of the house. The problem is I can't stretch it as like it's going to be stretched cuz this is this is mechanically stretched. >> What percentage would you give?
>> What percentage openness would you classify it as? >> I would say this is about 60 65% open and the rest is is closed. >> And those will be fixed panels upstairs. >> Those are fixed. Yeah. >> And and they're stretched.
>> And that's aluminum or stainless. >> Yeah. This is uh Yeah. >> Have you used those before? I I have not, but we we have architects that are friends of ours in South Africa and they've used it extensively in some of their homes and it's beautiful. >> Looks like it's going to be
>> I mean it's fabulous, but >> I just want it to hold up in that way. >> Yeah. I'm I just got a little bit tired of the vertical thing going on and I think the screening >> happened to come right after that. >> I heard your comment. I said, you know,
>> absolutely. That's why Juan's uh building with that mesh and that pattern is really beautiful because it it uh >> yeah he's he's a very good architect. I know him for many many years and um and that's going to be beautiful the way
that's done especially if it's backlit correctly. >> Um >> which this will be back lit. So >> this are you going to do grazers or something >> here? No. Uh as far as the lighting >> Yeah. And no, they they're just going to be uh pin spots behind it. It's going to
light that up. Plus the lighting also from the interior will take care of a lot of that. So >> um and just just to be clear, you said that uh along the sideyard the 50 the
50% that you were exceeding was because of the mesh, but it's it's the bathtub and the closet wall, right? Not not the mesh isn't driving you over. It's those two bumpouts, right? >> Well, yeah. The the No, the the the mesh is what's driving me over. Um we if you
took out the mesh over 50% of that elevation is set back that additional 5T that's required to be set back, but the mesh technically because it's put where the railing would normally be in the front um
takes that out of play. Am I am I reading waiver five wrong? Does the mesh count? >> I'm just looking at your diagram with the hatched the hatched area on uh A091. >> Yeah. So the the bathroom that bathroom
that you see on the right. And >> by the way, I like I like the undulation in the facade. I'm just asking I just want to know how mesh is considered. >> Yeah. The 15 ft is actually to the to the uh uh bathroom wall that you see
there. Look at sheet O I'm sorry, A 091. >> That's the one I'm on. >> And if so, so the actual the actual uh setback that I need there is 15 ft. And so that bathroom is the 15 ft. Everything else that's back an
additional five feet. >> Okay. So I'm really o I'm really over the required setback that I'm required on that side if the mesh was out. But since the mesh is in it technically
reads I have to technically uh make the mesh the 15 ft and the additional 5 foot that I'm required there isn't met this because of the mesh. >> If it were a balcony we we likely wouldn't have required the waiver.
because this is this goes um the whole height of that elevation. We we do consider that as part of the twotory volume. Um so therefore they would require this waiver, but it is a waiver, not a variance. So it's it's just subject to the design review criteria. >> And that's why I was asking about the
the percentage of opening. Like I know the code doesn't state if it's 50% open it doesn't count. >> It's it's not it doesn't have a specific regulation in that regard. So it's kind of an interpretation. And so since it is all the the entire elevation of that facade, we determined that that was um
that that would have to be set back 5T in order to avoid having the waiver. >> It's it's sharp house. I like like the simple clean pallet and and the new material you're introducing from changing the fabric of the neighborhood. I I I welcome that.
>> Oh, I appreciate it. And you know, it's also not your average screening if you look at it. Uh, it's not your average screen that you put up and not nothing that people see all the time. So, it's uh I thought it was an interesting design feature. So,
>> and it's an exposed lot. So, I think they need the privacy up there in that. >> And I can't take credit for the screen design because friend of mine used it in South. >> But you you put it in the right places. >> Yes. >> He put it in the exact same not he they
put it in the same places I did. Um, yeah, I mean, I'll echo the the home is gorgeous. Um, the material use is, you know, novel. Um, one thing I'm struggling with, and I'm
not going to, you know, hold up approval on it, but this this staircase to me is a very big gesture for something that is only for roof access. Um, I don't know, Adam, how does this typ they're there typically stairs inside the house or something? Is that
how you typically access mechanical? >> You're you're you're really not allowed stairs to the roof inside the house because although elevator towers are allowed on the roof uh to go to the roof. Stair towers are not. So any stair that you have has to be an exterior stair. Now um if you don't want a
waiver, of course, you put it within the setback and then you don't need that. You don't need a waiver for something like that. We thought because of the limitations of the site and we you know we do have a lot of movement on this elevation that maybe we could get a a variance on that. It's it's important to
us. >> Yeah. And I mean I don't I guess I don't object to like the way it's presented here. It's it's more just the design of the stairway just seems like >> uh yeah like it just it's it's not as like light and refreshing as the rest of
the house in my opinion. Um, again, that's it's just my opinion. I I don't feel super strongly, >> but it's it seems almost detracting from the beauty of the home. >> So, um, so you'll see the stair uh, and
it it's interesting cuz it doesn't have railing like pickets or anything. What we've done is we've done a solid bronze aluminum to go with all the rest of the aluminum of the house and made it look like a sculpture. So, for us, it's a sculpture piece on the side of the house. And that's why uh we designed it
that way. >> Okay. Um Okay. Thank you. And and I guess just because we haven't really talked about it, this planter variance, I'm struggling a little bit with it. I'm kind of leaning with staff only because it's a variance. Um if if maybe I mean I
I'm I'm struggling to see the hardship other than I agree it looks very good the way you've designed it, but it's >> there is no hardship. >> There's no hardship. >> I'm going to be blunt with you. There is absolutely no hardship here. It was only it's only being done for aesthetic reasons. >> Yeah. So my only concern is precedent,
right? I think it looks I think it looks gorgeous the way you've designed it. Um I just don't want to accept the variance here >> purely for aesthetics. Um that's so that's just my >> to clarify that board orders are don't
have presidential value. So >> Okay. Okay. >> You know, but I'm >> people are going to still come. Um, I mean, because I I do think there's other ways I guess we could kind of get a differential in in uh relief or change in maybe we go in or something or we put
like a vertical tree or something. Um, I that's I have no problem with any of the other ones. It's it's just is this a is this a hardship? I don't know. So, just for the board to to think about. Um,
>> chair, I have a one more question. I'm sorry. You mind? >> Okay. >> Um, is there a reason why you're not using the roof? Are they allowed to use the roof as they are allowed to use? So, you are choosing not to use >> We're choosing not to use the roof as a
rooftop use. Uh, we there's first of all, because of the restrictions of the setbacks, it would be a very narrow roof use because you have to set back 10 ft from the structure on all sides. So it would make and you can only use 25% of the roof. So
it would make it almost a negligible roof deck. Now that being said, uh the owner doesn't want to use it as for anything. He says people that have roof decks rarely use them. So he didn't feel the need to do it. But because we have
such a restriction on the size of the site and where everything needs to be, that's why we put the equipment. >> You're only allowed to use 25% of the roof. >> That's correct. of the of the floor below, only 25% of that can be uh can have a roof deck above it. >> Got it. And out of curiosity, are there
really seven AC units that you're putting on the roof? >> Yes. And I'll expl They're very small. I'll explain to you why. If you look at the plan, maybe there's one AC closet, but the rest of the units are inside the ceiling. They're all mini splits. He
likes He's from Europe. He's he lives in France uh half the year and he lives in Miami the other half. And he wants every area, especially bedrooms uh separately air conditioned. >> Yeah. >> But so they're going to be tiny mini split units. They're not going to be
these big compressors that you see, >> right? Like on a hotel. >> Like what? >> In hotels. So they have >> like at a smaller hotel. Yeah. Got it. Thank you. Interesting. Interesting. Anybody else?
>> Okay. Anybody want to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve everything except variance number two. Um, >> actually, you should do um the design and the waivers separate from the variances.
>> Okay. So, I'd make a motion to approve the design in both waivers. End of motion. Anyone >> second? >> Motion by Miss Luen, second by Mr. Lester. >> All those in favor?
>> I. Any opposed? >> Okay. Motion passes. >> And then I'd make a motion to approve variances 1, three, and four. Um, and I guess deny. Do I expressly
deny? Okay. And and deny, too. Second. >> Okay. Uh, all those in favor? >> I >> oppose. Okay. Motion passes. >> Thank you, everyone. Appreciate your time. Beautiful. >> Thank you. >> And we're giving this to Lady Gaga for her next show after we finish using.
>> Good one. >> Great work. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Walk down. Oh, on the right. On the right. >> We have
>> Let's see. We have >> two more. Two more. >> And I think lunch is there if anybody wants to break >> that. We need them to flip it. >> Let's fix it. >> Fix it.
>> That's what I was saying. Maybe you could just >> just rotate it there. >> My ADD makes me >> Yep. Perfect. >> Okay, that's good. >> Nope.
>> He flipped it too much. We got to I'll flip it just one rotation back if you don't mind. Okay, one more. One. Beautiful. Right there. Thank you. >> All right. The ne the next item on the
agenda is DRB 251 1148 aka DRB 200529 and this is 72774177 street 77017737 Tatum Water Wave Drive and 7710 7720 Dickens Avenue. This application
has been filed requesting modification to a previously approved design review approval for the construction of a new multi-story addition to replace an existing one an existing one-story building and surface parking and all other exterior site design modifications. Specifically, the
applicant is requesting modifications of materials for exterior walls and variances of the height regulation exceptions to provide an outdoor wash counter and sink and a single enclosed restroom at the roof level. >> Okay.
So, um this is an application um that was previously approved uh by the board. Um just for for way of background um in 2020 the city commission approved the North Beach public and private schools district overlay which created regulations for uh for schools in the
North Beach area. So this uh school the Lurman uh the Lurman school took advantage of these uh of these regulations. Um and then uh on July 7th, 2020, the DRB originally approved um the construction of this new multi-story addition to replace an existing
one-story building. um and surface parking and other other design modifications including the driveway on this site. Um so now they're in it's under construction. Um the building is uh you if you go by the site, the building is under construction. You can
see it, but however, they're um as as the construction is proceeding, they're seeing some issues and they're and they're requesting some uh some modifications to some of the materials. Um so I'll discuss those. Um specifically, um the applicant on the
east facade, the applicant is requesting to revise the design of the uh horizontal banding and the stucco that's on that side um to have greater spacing between the rows. Um this is intended to minimize potential water infiltration.
Um the the original design um had some joints which would lead to which the applicant's consultant uh determined would lead to um water infiltration issues and overall maintenance maintenance increases issues with maintenance in the future. Um so the applicant is proposing uh to revise this
um in order to minimize that. Um the applicant has proposed two color patterns um um regarding this. We are recommending option one um which um um however we are recommending that the pallet con be composed of a lighter gray
tone so as to not deflect attention from the main east facade which um um which is which is obviously the more important the more well-designed and the more prominent facade. Um the uh the applicant um is also requesting some variances. Um, when the
when the project was originally approved, the DRB included a condition uh requesting that the architect explore a green roof with gardens and landscaping a top on top of the new addition. Um, so in other words, the DRB was requesting that the that the rooftop
be activated. Um, so the applicant in trying to comply with this requirement, they are they are proposing to create some gardens and some planters um which which will activate and and comply with that request of the DRB. However, in order to uh ensure that the students
have a safe environment, the applicant does have to provide a bathroom and some wash counters um so that as students are up there working on the equipment, they have the ability to to wash up after they're done and or if there's any any any hazards they can they can wash up and then they need to have a bathroom.
Um so they're requesting two variances. Um the first is to exceed the maximum permitted building height by 36 in um to allow for the outdoor wash counter and sink on the rooftop. Those are not uh allowable height exceptions in the code. So they're requesting the variances to
allow those. And then the second one is to exceed uh the maximum permitting permitted building height by 36 in um to provide a restroom within an existing enclosed area that is already uh that is already approved. Um it's where the uh
stairwell and elevator core is located. There is an open space there that they are going to enclose and create a bathroom out of that. The variance is so that the toilet and the sink that are required for a bathroom are are able to fit. Uh because those are also not allowable height exceptions unless they are required by the building code which
is typically only required when you have a water feature such as a pool or a fountain or something to that effect. Um so staff is supportive of the two variances. the request of the DRB um for activating that rooftop creates the practical difficulties and hardships. Um
and so um in order to in order to comply with that request um they need these two variances and staff is supportive of the granting of the variances. Um so with that staff recommends that the application be approved subject to the conditions in the attached draft order. >> Okay,
good. >> Are there any Good morning. For the record, Alfredo Gonzalez with uh Greenber Tori at 333 Southeast Second Avenue. With me here today is my colleague uh David Butter and I also have Eric Medina who is a
project manager on the site. Um we did come and I think Roel did a good job of over the overview. the the school embarked on a re, you know, enhancement of of the property back in 2019, which led to us having to have the the school
overlay adopted first and we came to the and we came um to the DRB and as our application was going to be heard the following month, the pandemic started. So, we were delayed till July um and one of the first applications to get
approved under the new Zoom process at that time. Um the school from the get-go wanted to enhance the experience for the students and wasn't asking to increase the this the class size the the student
size which is 548 and then in addition to that they wanted to create it several improvements. We got it all adopted back in 2020 and the school went on because it's an operating school prek to fifth grade to phase the project. the public improvements were
done first, which was the biggest benefit that the community and the city saw was that before this uh the original approval, the drop off and pickup was on 77th Street across from Biscane Elementary's drop off and pickup. By
moving it on site, we reduced the traffic impact of the school by 70%. So, that was done first. The city allows us to go in phases. We're now going to the last part of the uh the project which is the gymnasium cafeteria and the uh
enhanced classroom spaces that allow for the arts, music and science. So we're asking for two modifications on the facade. One was the um our engineers and uh soc uh engineers looked
at what was originally approved and identified issues that would create potential maintenance, resiliency and water intrusion issues for the school after it was built. So brings us here today. Um and we'll go through some of the slides. That's the overall campus.
That's the location. Those two in red were the parking lot that already belonged to Lurman Day School and the building they bought that they were going to add for where the struct the new structure is sitting today. Uh keep going. I'll skim through it.
You see the construction pro. It's almost done. We're we're scheduled to have a TCO by June July. So the new school year the students get have the entire campus open. So we get to the facade modification. If
you see that the facade, which is considered our front that faces Dickens, the there's one area where the the engineer identified that the pattern was too tight and could lally cause a lot of water intrusions and maintenance issues.
So we kind of worked with staff to create more of a separated scoring pattern, uh, which is what we're asking for, uh, the board to approve as one of our modifications. And then if we keep going to make it
quick, keep going. Then we get to the north facade. The north facade is the side interior. It faces another two uh twotory building. And there again there were a lot of issues with the material that's being used and as maintenance
over and longevity that we came up with um the stuckle pattern and then neutral colors to create a painting pattern. We we provided option one which is what you're seeing and option two. Um we are supportive of staff recommendation that
option one should be the direction we take and that identifies the modifications. I'm going to have David go through the variances now for you uh to you to understand the two minor variances.
>> Good morning. David Butterlaw offices at 333 Southeast 2nd Avenue. uh thank you for making the time for us this morning. The as uh my colleague stated uh I'm going to handle the the rooftop level variances part of the presentation. So the to start the discussion about the
variances we have to go back to 2020 when the DRB originally approved our design as uh Raelio eloquently went through the history of the project. the DRB imposed a condition to encourage the applicant to um activate the rooftop
with a green space. So, the applicant wanted to ensure all of staff's recommendations and suggestions were incorporated into the project. So in alignment with that condition, the applicant is seeking to provide an
experiential learning area on the rooftop where students can quite literally get their hands dirty, learn about the environment, plant life, biology, things like that. And in order to provide and really realize the full potential of staff's recommendation and
this experiential learning area, we're respectfully requesting two variances related to an outdoor wash counter and bathroom. Let me show you them here. Okay. So, what's unique about these two variance requests is that they are going
to be completely shielded from the public view. The variances are for 3 ft starting. So, starting with the wash counter, which is over here. Whoop, sorry about that. So, the wash counter is going to be shielded by a
42-in parapit that's already been approved that runs along the side of the the building's facade. So, not only is the wash counter lowered, the wash counter is also uh a bit step back from the parapit wall. So, there'll be no visibility from any vantage point uh in
the public realm. Moving over to the restroom. Getting more specific with the restroom. As Alfredo mentioned, the the variance is simply to allow these plumbing fixtures, the toilet seat, the sink, and the faucet to be approved
within a already improved uh vestibule. Of course, this will also be enclosed and be invisible to the public eye. Both of these variances, the the real intent stems from student safety, student
hygiene. Without these practical and functional amenities or improvements, students would have to go up and down staircases, dirty hands, potentially have to wash their garden tools in a ba bathroom downstairs. Just really unrealistic and impractical. creates
safety issues and spreading bacteria and other matter into the sanitary spots within the uh classroom area downstairs. We've had a great collaboration working effort with staff. They're supportive of the variances. We hope you will be too and we are here to answer any questions.
Thank you. >> Thank you. Um anybody online? Uh anybody online if you'd like to speak, please raise your hand. No hands raised. >> Anybody in the public?
>> Okay, we can close and open up to the board. >> Uh, are there any disclosures on this item? >> Okay, a question. Chair, what's the percentage of the terrace of the roof area that's being used for terrorists out of the
whole roof space? It's like about 50%. >> It's It's way less than 50%. We don't It's way less than 50%. >> That's great. I I listen I am um I'm a big proponent for elevating the level of
quality of environments for students in in Miami Beach and anywhere. And um this school has a great reputation is doing a great job at at at doing just that. And I love what you guys are doing and expanding and and bringing more quality
education to our city which is fantastic. I think the project looks great. >> Yeah. I think secondly he said um variance seemed extremely minor. I don't know why it's even discussed but yeah looks great.
>> Thank you. >> I'm in support as well. Um, are we supposed to be choosing a a paint scheme for that one facade or is that just a >> Yes. Okay. >> It and staff recommends option one, we support option one as well. So, if the
board's comfortable in whatever motion >> the blocks, right? >> Right. Yes. >> Yeah. I agree. I think that that's more fun. It's more school-like. Um, so, but whatever you all prefer. Um, and I'm in support. Thank you. Um
there's a variance for height for the bulkhead for over the wash sinks. Is that is there a height variance? >> It's for the counter and the sinks themselves. >> It's not for the roof. Okay. >> No. Um those are those are not allowable height exceptions. Generally that
generally when you have a counter and a sink that's for a bar or another type of use that that we maybe don't want to see on a rooftop. Um, this is the rare example where it's for a school. Um, so we're we're we have no no concerns with the variance here.
>> And was the void always a void? >> It was. Yeah. If you looked in the original plans, it was just a a void there between >> conveniently exactly the size of a bathroom. >> Yeah. >> Was a ba in a bathroom wasn't permitted in the in this is why they're coming to us. So
>> correct. Just I keep my eye out for things that come back to us for like there's auto like it's not an elevator machine room that they've removed or anything. >> No, it was a it was part of the vestibule that was there for between the
stairs and the elevator. >> If it wasn't a school, I' i'd question it more. >> Um and but I I just always wonder why an original design has a an empty room that is perfectly positioned for a bathroom. Well, right now it's part of the
vestibule. So, they they able to incorporate part of the vestibule to create that space that with the volume that was very approved. >> Was the door and the wall there originally? >> Uh I think it had a wall. It just had a it was listed as a void. It was not a
the old plan said it was a void. When this originally was reviewed, there was an option to have the the whole structure with the stairwell and the elevator a gap, which apparently it was more on signs of the
architects and the DRB at the time thought just a solid piece than having these gap. It was unaccessible. So through the years, the space is then part of the vestibule and >> know it's just it's convenient, but I'm all I'm in support of the bathroom. I'm
just >> And originally, just so you understand, the school wasn't asking to activate the roof. Actually, they had concerns about activating the roof. So, the staff recommended and the uh and then we ultimately agreed on language that we
would explore it. We couldn't guarantee at that time that we could activate the roof. So, the school went back over the years and and really studied the the staff's recommendation and then they activated. Had they not activated the rooftop with this garden, we wouldn't be
here today asking for the sinks or creating a bathroom space so the teachers don't have to if they're in their with their class. >> No, you don't have to explain it. Yeah, I I think it's great to activate it. It's it's nice. The the the stucco I
personally don't love this pattern. I feel like the original design was clean and matched all the facades of the building and they have this like elegant you know, front facade and now we're just stuckling it. Is it a was it a more
was it a cost that driver or you I know you you you mentioned engineer, you me mentioned water infiltration, but um I would have I don't know there was like a pattern to the original >> the original um material that could have
been reimagined in in the STEO scores, right? and matched it like this. This one just being stucco. I personally would have liked that. Now we're going to have a >> like this was just stucco with these lines. Um now we're going to have a a
building with a with its own its own vibe on the backside. >> And it does it just doesn't fit with me. And I just don't want it to be like all right these guys tried to save money just just and and this is what they came up with. And I I know this architect,
they're they're they're skilled. Um, but that's just my my opinion. I think we could leave it to staff to to make sure. And and the brake lines make sense. Maybe it's the the checkerboard that's bothered me. I don't know. >> We we we approved their building permit
using a they had a stucco gritted stucco pattern. So that's that's what they originally had approved. Um, so we're we're going >> not as not as big pieces. >> Not as big. Yeah, they were the lines were much closer together consistent with the original uh design that was
presented to the board. >> Got it. Yeah, that would be my Yeah, >> I would be on board with that. >> But the apparently that um the applicant has indicated that that the the closeness of those score lines allows for greater potential for water infiltration that they're concerned with is what they're okay
>> is what they're telling us. >> We don't want water. So, >> chair, um you know, you're adamant about lighting elements. Maybe I don't know if there's any lighting elements to the exterior of the building that maybe would enhance the look of the building. I mean, I look at the building. It looks
nice to me. It's not like you it's well, but I don't Is there a lighting element to the exterior of the building? >> Yeah, there are lights on the side. So, there will be lights facing Dickens. No, I mean like >> the the checkered side that we we were talking about, that's a side interior
that faces >> that part right there that comes out on the on the east side of the building. Is that a terrace on the top or is that just a roof? >> Roof. >> Roof. Is there any lighting element that to sort of enhance what that wall looks like facing east?
>> So the lights do go up. So there's lightings on that terrace. So it would So if you're driving down Dickens, you'll be the lights will focus you to the front of the building. >> Got it. >> Uh we I don't think we don't have much lights that we put on to the side of the building. No,
>> since that faces >> other other apartment buildings to the uh north. >> I understand what you were saying, Chair. I I I'm just uh I was just thinking in general that the building if lit properly um indirectly on the east side. I know you're talking about the
north side, but looking at the building just in general, I think that the a nice LED lighting element to the front of the building would enhance the look of the building without being overpowering uh on the on the lighting side. I mean, I look at the building and it's just
not left like my god. But it's great, right? I mean, it's not like it's not like a >> you the lighting lighting is important, >> but the lighting I think the lighting would make a big difference to aesthetically how the building pops out and looks in general when somebody's
walking by it. And where's the signage going anywhere on the east side of the building? >> Now, the signage will be on 77 where the signage is today. >> So, there's no signing on any of that facade? No. No. It's just a recommendation. I think
that, you know, indirect LED lighting on if if it's wired for it, it would be awesome. And it >> we we do have >> Oh, cool. >> Andreas, we we for the east facade, there is lighting already part of the the original permit. So, there will be lighting that'll be lit up.
>> Beautiful. But there there is no additional sign of the school because since the main entrance is really even though that's considered a front because Dickens is the main street versus 77 practical the reality is 77th Street or
Lurman Avenue street uh is actually where the drop off is where the entrance for this the school uh name is is on the side of the building. So, >> got and it can't be on both. They can or you just don't want it.
>> Is that a question? Is staff can they have the name on both sides of the building or or No, >> they they have uh a sign on each frontage >> and you guys are just electing not to have a sign on the east side. >> We spend a lot more time on the design with the different patterns and at the time the school didn't look at putting a
signage on. I felt there were it worked. I mean a lot of this also that interesting foresight now uh that led to this enhancement for the students was also security based. So one of the things that you'll see here is that's
why the drop off went on property so it wouldn't happen in the street. Why the the site has an 8ft fence that was we had to include that as part of the overlay to provide the level of security that the school needed. And then think unfortunately in today's age I'm glad they you know it's good that they have
it. So um but all the activity for the students the drop off the pickup >> it just seems like the existing school now that that east wall which now incorporates and looks like the whole entire east facade >> kind of like lent itself to have some type of a signage of the school there.
But >> do you know what I'm talking about? like this whole entire wall here. >> But >> I mean, we could look into trying to put, you know, see if the school wants to put a sign and explore it. Um,
right. >> It's just a thought. That's all. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> Anyone want to make a motion for I'll make a motion to approve. Um, so we
do need to to choose the >> right two motions and one the the modification of the prior order. You would have to pick option one or two for the um for the painting, >> but you then you' need for the variances for the roof a separate motion.
>> Okay. Um, well, I I'll make a motion to approve with option one. >> I second. >> Okay. >> Okay. We have a motion by Miss Leuen,
second by Mr. Lester. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Nope. Motion passes. >> And I'll make a second motion to approve the variances as well. >> Second. We have a motion by Miss Leuen and I
believe we have your first second. Uh, congratulations, Miss Mitch. Um, so all those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Motion passes. >> Thank you very much and have a great day. Hope next time month you'll have
this your name. >> They're catching up. >> Thank you for what you're all doing with the school. It's beautiful. great asset to our community. >> All right. The next and last item on the agenda is DRB 25 1149
FKA DRB23 or 913 1415 West 43rd Street. This application has been filed requesting modifications to a pre previously approved design review approval for the construction of a new two-story building to replace an existing two-story building. Specifically, the applicant is proposing
modifications to the facade, including materials. Okay, so this is an application that was originally approved uh the construction of this building was originally approved in uh January of 2024. Um the applicant has since made some modifications to the building. the
interior of the building. It's a small commercial building, infill building. It's in the middle of a block. It's a two-story building in the CD3 district of 41st Street. Um so that's the the highintensity commercial district. Um the applicant has revised the floor
plan. So they've moved the elevator to the rear of the building. Um and then an open um uh internal courtyard um that that was previously there has been re reduced somewhat. and that results in the facade of the building um being
modified. So the applicant is incorporating an additional window into the facade um creating some additional uh movement. Um it it creates a staff believes it creates a more interesting facade and staff is supportive of the of the modification. Um the um additionally
they they are um proposing to enlarge a mesh opening um that is on the ground floor which screens an entry garden and porch. Um and staff believes that uh that this also improves the the design uh from what was previously approved. Um and staff is supportive of the proposed
modification and we'll let the applicant uh show you in detail what they're proposing. >> Any disclosures? Um, I've seen the rendering uh presented to me um a month or two ago uh by the broker
which I told them to bring it to to you. >> Good morning. Norman Blandon, N25 Architect. I'm the architect N25 Architectures Company. So, as uh Roelio mentioned, this is on 41st Street. I'll quickly
review the previous submission. This is a map. Uh this is the survey, the site plan. We'll get to the point. We're okay with zoning. The numbers are per perfectly compliant. The demolition was done under separate
permit. So, the project's actually under construction at the moment. These are the photos of the existing conditions. This is a montage of the uh all the whole 41st street facade highlighting
our building here and uh see some other photos close photos of some of the shops there. Now this is the the original plan you see is at the top. The affected areas are the elevator
which is an beach. courtyard which is the the interior courtyard which is green and the atrium which is blue and also the facade. So on the lower plan we see that we have moved the elevator to the back to the back and uh
we're highlighting the facade which is going to be affected and the atrium the light well has been reduced. On the second level, you see also the elevator in the back. The atrium uh light wall has been reduced and we have
uh removed the atrium on the second floor and expanded the the size of that office space on the front facing 41st Street. See on the original you had uh the window of that office space facing the
courtyard but we had no window facing the 41st street. So, after conversations with the owner and some of the prospective uh tenants, we that's how we got to these uh proposed changes, creating more access to 41st Street and bringing more light into the front of
the building. This is how the roof will be affected. On the left here is the original approved facade. As you see on the left side, there's no window, but the the the wire mesh that that's uh it's a metal mesh that we have proposed. It's a
partially perforated. We have a picture of it here if you'd like to see it. And uh on the middle photograph, middle elevation, you see how we reduce the the openings. Well, we enlarge it on the ground level and reduce on the second
level. So, as you see, that is the sample of the material we plan to use. And uh we added the window uh and that office facing 41st Street as well. And the uh drawing on the right is the rear elevation. Not much happening there
which is facing an alley. On the left is the original uh approval. And this is what we're proposing here on the right. Just we there also a section working section uh through the building highlighting the elevator and the light
well. This is a an elevation with the m materials we propose to use mostly stock and the perforated metal. Those are the highlights of the facade. And uh basically that's our presentation. Thank you.
Thank you. Do we have anybody online? >> Anybody online, please raise your hand? No hands raised. >> Okay. I don't see anybody else here. So, >> thank you. Open it up to the board. >> I have a question on the design. If you
go to the the photograph before >> you Sorry. Sorry. The the next one with the picture. So where that man is standing in that top left window, you're saying that that is not going to be clear glass. Rather, it's going to be perforated metal. >> On the ground level, it would be a
screen and perforated metal. On the second level, it would be perforated metal and the window beyond. >> How how much does the perforated metal stop the light? >> There's about a 2 three inch gap. >> No, no. How much it's hard from that
picture. How how open does the >> Oh, the the actual uh it's 60% open. I think the number is there. 63% opening. >> 63. >> Okay. And that's on all four or on the left. >> No, just the two the two the two
openings on on the right. >> And on the on the left, is that just clear glass? >> Yes. On the on the on the left, you have the entrance where the one the one person is going. That's the the entrance to the building. Above that is a window
and then on the right you have the the perforated metal. On the ground level it's open to a courtyard and on the second level it's the window is behind that. >> What are you saying? It's just it's just window on the top. >> A fixed glass window on the second floor.
>> It's uh let's see >> on the on the first floor the the courtyard is sort of open air. >> Yeah. But so there's not symmetry in the two windows on top. No, there's not. >> There's one is perforated metal and the other is glass. That's not Chinese. >> One one is only glass. The other one has
perforated metal in front of the window. >> Thank you. >> So, is there a reason why the metal per perforations were does not go to the top of the uh building like the glazing on the original design?
>> Right. >> On the original design, we that was a full courtyard basically and we were proposing a Okay. I keep thinking that's glass. >> A palm tree. Okay. >> I keep throwing I keep thinking that's glass glazing, but it's not. >> Um,
is there a reason why you didn't go all the way to the top with it? >> This one could be because that's going to be an enclosed space on the original one that was an open space open to the sky. >> Um, understood.
>> I'm sure I missed it, but your colleague that brought the iPad around with the texture, what what is that? Is that the metal? >> It's aluminum. That's a That would be the mesh. Yeah, >> that would be the mesh. Okay. Okay. >> Interesting. >> The renderings don't really portray that
particular pattern at all. >> Um, nor a color. >> So, and when you call it mesh, it's not. It's a It's a perforated screen. >> Perforated. Yeah. Perforated aluminum. Yeah. >> What pattern are you planning to use? The thing is in the renting we couldn't
find that exact pattern so we just use a generic material. So you see >> where there >> is it going to be organic like this or is it going to be >> that? No, that's a panel. It's we have the manufacturer. We've contacted the manufacturer and we're working with it with them for the details of
construction. >> Riverstone. >> Riverstone is the name of the pattern by Hendrickk Metals. Yeah. >> Do you have a closer sidewalk? >> Yeah, I thought that was >> Excuse me. Is there a closer sidewalk view? >> Closer sidewalk >> like from your on your sidewalk based looking at itself. You have a view like
>> Oh. Uh not not in this uh not in this presentation, but we had done studies for the previous uh application. Yes. >> I'm just wondering how it look like when you're walking by on the street from sidewalk. You know in Beayshore part the new park how it's sort of like the like
the signage or in a >> when you when you approaching it on the >> or the gates up in up in um north north beach. >> Yes. >> That like this is like a smaller version. >> I see. >> They're like little >> Yes. Yes. >> It would be helpful if it was like a
sidewalk view of it. Just >> Was this always the material that was previously approved? We so this we had not seen that that particular material. We'll need a copy of if if the board is is is comfortable with that material. We'll need a copy. >> The original it's in the original
submittal that an image of that material. Yes, it is where the original >> Oh, that was going to be used on the right side of the building. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. >> For the original. >> Yeah. >> Chair, I have a question. Can I
>> No, go ahead. >> Um, so on the south side of the building to understand You moved the open space. >> You removed the open space on the second floor. >> Correct. >> Correct. The >> put the floor plan up there for a second.
>> This this was a >> this space here. This before was open space and now it's inside. >> That was an a courtyard that would go all the way up and now it's we've made it a part of the interior space. So that's part of >> So now that's interior space, right? So
why is there then uh my colleague here had mentioned you know regarding the two windows why is it the window on the left side on the west side >> all clear glass but the window on the right side has the mesh >> we wanted to keep some of the original
intent of our of our idea that was previously approved. So, we wanted to keep that transparency that was in the original version. In the original version, it was transparent transparent to the courtyard uh and the and the open courtyard. But now, we're we're trying
to keep some of that original idea and just take the mesh and next put it in front of the window to create some some of the same idea that we had before. >> Got it. So then the the rendering really doesn't because you're showing the kind those look like kind of like white
stones. Well, it's a when in the software that we have, we couldn't find the exact that that exact pattern. So, we went with something generic to represent. >> So, it's going to be white stone like that from the top all the way to the bottom. >> It's that pattern is going to that aluminum pattern will go from in those
two openings. >> Oh, got it. So, the white is a is a clear area is a hollow area. >> It's open. Yeah. Yeah. The white is is looks like white river rocks to me from >> well that's the name of the pattern river rock. >> No but what you see in white is a perforated area. >> Got it.
>> Yeah. So if you see here on the on the screen this that would be that material and this would be that material. These two things. >> Understood. So when you're up there you just have that blockage of view from inside of space. Partial uh looking out.
>> Got it. >> Little more privacy. >> Yeah. >> And that side. Yeah, >> understood. >> Okay. We do see the in the in the plan that was approved in uh 2024. We do see that that material page. Um it's not
it's not included in the in the in the packet that's before you today, but we would refer to the original one. is since it's in front of us is are are we allowed to make a change to
previously approved >> because it's in front of us? >> Yeah. >> I I find the material I wasn't here when it original was approved. I I don't love it. I think it's a little basic and this is a new building on the block and you've got a chance to make a statement
here in like a stainless steel woven mesh like you were calling it versus just a an aluminum fence material would be much more interesting and and a texture and still have the same opacity. You could keep all that, but would be I
don't know a more handsome and just nicer for the the street. So, my opinion is that I'm fine with you increasing your your usable floory inside, which seems to be the exercise here, but that
material should >> I don't like the material and >> yeah, >> I don't know. I don't want to tell them what to use, even though I just did. Um, but yeah, I think and and also the plantings inside there so that you
buffer the look at the stair because we don't know what the stair on the inside's going to look like if the stringer gets butted up against the glass and it doesn't get finished, right? We want to make sure you kind of keep that clean. Um, and also I see a wood ceiling inside, you know, is which
might not probably happen either. So is that if that's part of it? So I don't know that's my opinion on that the perforation the screening I'll call it is is changing the specification of the screen.
>> Yeah there are as you know there are limitations on the the actual materials we can use with the NOAS and all that. So in this case we know that this is approved by they have NOAS and it will be in compliance with those requirements as far as this material. But
>> is it something that the the staff has a knowledge of of previously approved materials or is it something that we should have them do research and come back with a new material because that's
really my issue is just the screening material. Um and the rest Yeah. No, we can't improve the design with the caveat of that so they can keep keep construction moving. Don't want to slow that down. Um if if you give us some uh guidance as to the type of material that
you'd like to see, we we're comfortable approving it at a staff level. However, as an alternative, if you do want to see that material, you can approve the overall massing and bring back just the mesh. um you know bifurcate the approval, approve everything else so they can proceed with their construction
plans and um look at the mesh at the next meeting if you choose. >> I mean I'm I would be fine with staff approving, but now that you said that there's other restrictions, I'm just like a little unsure what we could what we could do here. I mean I I agree. I
like I like the new massing. I think that's that's really nice and thoughtful. I just I think that maybe that aluminum cutout worked on the prior design because that acted more as like a shield to open space whereas now you're shielding
enclosed space. So I think something lighter. I mean as in terms of guidance for staff it it just needs to be like Adam was like you were saying a me a true mesh or maybe like wires with a growth of planting on it or something
something just lighter. Um, so I mean I'd be comfortable handing that to staff assuming that something from the neighbor, you know, there's not going to be a restriction with the neighborhood like preventing something like that being approved. >> Yeah, I think as Arctic said it's it's a something that's previously approved
which is hard, but there are there are other products out there, right? And the suggestion I would say would be a woven material of obviously stainless steel >> perhaps something like the previous house that was presented or Yeah,
>> that that's chain link. I I think this one could be a little this has to have a security element, I think, because it's on on a street, right? Banker Banker is a company that makes >> the product products. Um,
>> it's not a gigantic square footage, >> so it will be more costly than what you've got for sure. Um, but you'll be able to frame it and and tie it back. So, it's it should be should be approved. I think so it doesn't have to come back to us. I
think if that's enough >> direction. >> Yeah. I just wanted to return to Laura's comment about bringing in some grain element. I just find the the design rather jarring in um with what's going on on either side of the building and and the street and um I think it would
soften it and maybe bring enhance some of the more uh the softer lines on either side to have some more natural elements to it. And there's a planter inside of there still that's not going to get a lot of light. But I I definitely think that that should be filled with low light plants so that
>> we see the green there and like introduce potentially climbing climbing species on whatever because it doesn't not going to climb that aluminum very easy. So it would be able to climb a a woven a woven uh product better.
>> Yeah. So, I mean, I can make a motion to approve with the condition that the aluminum covering um be replaced with a lighter um and more
>> woven. >> Woven. Yeah. Woven. of a a metal form that um that just is more transparent with the um building behind it and to
also just kind of consider planting as well as you work through that. Is that let staff approve that? >> Okay. >> Is that enough? >> And utilize uh planting um that has the ability to to creep up
the species >> low and low light species. I'm sorry, you said >> climbing species >> Chinese supported. >> Um, okay. No, that and that's the motion. >> Seconded motion. >> Wow.
>> Yeah. Just as long as we we've rejected the aluminum. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Will aluminum be replaced? >> Yeah. >> Noted. Do we come back to the board or staff for a vote? >> Yeah. Okay. Now, looks like you don't have >> Okay.
>> Approve with mods. Okay. So, we have a motion by Miss Leuen and a second by Mr. Lester. >> Uh, all those in favor? >> I >> I. Any opposed? No. Motion passes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right.
>> All right. >> Thank you guys. That's We're going to get more of these coming up like on the street and >> that's That's a fence. >> That's a fencing. >> Okay.
>> All right. >> Next meeting will be April. >> It's 16 materials. >> April 16th. >> My landlord wants >> your seat is one of the
It probably was a couple years ago. Yes. >> We could do it anything we wanted to. >> Yeah. >> What made me feel better about it building? >> No. Any Are there any more items? >> No. Meeting meeting adjourned. Thank you everybody.
>> Welcome.