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Baby girl baby girl Don't. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, you are Please take your seats. The meeting is

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about to begin. Remember to speak into the microphone as this meeting is being recorded for public record. Please stand by. We are going on air in 5 4 3 2 1.

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>> Good morning everybody. Welcome to April 16th uh 2006 26 DB meeting. Um, we will start with the city attorney. >> Please speak into the microphone.

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>> Sorry. Uh, um, attendance. >> Let's do a we'll do a roll call. Uh, Miss Pakoi >> here. >> Um, well, this is my old list. Oops.

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Have to re uh, Mr. Rion >> here. >> Mr. Pis here. Miss Leuen >> here. >> Uh Mr. Meshber >> here. >> Um um Mr. Lester >> here.

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>> Um >> uh Miss Mitch. >> Sorry, I'm terrible with names. I apologize. >> Thank you. Good morning. Today's meeting of the design review board is being conducted in a hybrid format with a quorum of the board physically present in the commission chambers at Miami

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board. You do not have to register if you are speaking only on behalf of yourself. You are testifying as an expert witness providing only scientific, technical, or other specialized information, or you are appearing as a representative of a neighborhood association without any compensation or reimbursement for your

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appearing in favor of or against an item or encouraging or arguing against its passage, defeat, modification, or continuence. I will now swear on everyone who is physically present and intends to testify. Virtual speakers need to be sworn in one by one before addressing the board. So, if you'll be giving testimony, please raise your

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right hand. Do you swear that the testimony you'll be giving is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. >> Um, so there's nothing on the consent agenda. >> No items on consent. >> Okay. Are there any other business

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items? >> Um, >> approval of the minutes. >> Approval of the minutes. >> I see that. Just making sure we go through. >> Yeah. No, no, nothing else. >> Uh, we can uh approval of the minutes. I'm not I can't make a motion.

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>> Can I make a motion if I wasn't here March 12th? >> Probably shouldn't >> for the minutes. Is there an issue if she wasn't here to make the motion? >> You can make a motion. >> She's making the motion. Um motion to approve. >> Lauren. >> Okay. All those in favor?

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>> All right. Any opposed? >> Motion passes. >> Okay. Great. Okay. >> Um, >> now for continuances and withdrawals, we have >> Alton 1414.

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>> Yes. So 1414 Alton, the applicant is actually requesting a deferral. Um, so no action is necessary. The item will be renoticed at a future date. They they made some changes that is going to require um a revised title. Um so they're going to be deferring this. Um

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no action is necessary on this. So just for members of the public, we will be renoticing this item once it's ready to go. Okay. So moving on from requests and continuences of withdrawals to continued

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items. Um 1691 Michigan. >> Yes. DRB251 1160 FKA DRB 24109691 Michigan Avenue. This application has been filed requesting modifications to a

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previously approved design review approval for exterior design modifications to an existing commercial building. Specifically, the applicant is proposing modifications to the facade, including materials. On September 3rd, 2024, the design review board approved

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exterior design modifications to the subject project known as the Lincoln. The modifications included, but we're not limited to the following, an overall warmer color palette for the entire project and the incorporation of materials such as decorative metal spikes on the prominent mechanical

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parapit. Fiberglass planters at the corner of Michigan and 17th Street on levels 2 to 5. vertical light sconces in between the horizontal banding of windows and openings and champagne color perforated metal screening to cover exposed circulation courts and garage

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openings. The applicant is requesting modifications to the building facads including materials. The revised designs eliminates the previously approved limestone veneer cladding and fiberglass planters on the main building's elevations as well as the traver

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travertine mosaic wall on the south elevation at the east end of the ground floor. Additionally, the metal screening proposed on the parking garage elevation has been reduced, but it still wraps the southeast and southwest corners to ensure that the interiors of the garage

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levels are screened from view from Jefferson and Michigan Avenue. The applicant is proposing the repair and paint of the existing horizontal banding and is proposing a new vertical ef panels. Uh the walls and panels will

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have the champagne acid washes took finish for texture. Furthermore, the applicant has extended the decorative metal spikes to better enhance the prominent mechanical parapit. The design intent of the modification is to continue the warm color and material palette of the project and ensure the

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overall horizontality of the facades is broken up by vertical architectural elements to provide depth and architectural interest. The staff is supportive of the modifications as they maintain the general architectural intent of the project and recommends

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approval of the application. Good morning. Nicholas Rodriguez here on behalf of the long-term tenant Arcade Rivani LLC. I'm joined by uh Robert Rivani, the principal of the entity that manages the building, Jillian Rio, uh and Marcus Wanderer from the Revani

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team. If we could pull up our digital presentation, please. Thank you very much. Uh so just to orient you as to the building, we're on 17th Street and uh Michigan and Jefferson A. The portion fronting 17th Street is the office and retail building and then the portion uh

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closer to Lincoln Road is a 700 or so space parking garage. Uh this building is owned by the city. It's a public private partnership between the Revani entity who is a long-term tenant. Uh when the Ravani entity purchased the leaseold interest in 2024, the building

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is kind of dated. it was going through a transition where the tenants were leaving. Uh and then when Rivani purchased the building, they've infused about $50 million into a full interior and exterior renovation and that's what came before the board u a couple of years ago and what's if you drove by the

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building on your way in uh that's what's currently undergoing uh construction at the building now. So this is what the building looked like before construction started. Uh as mentioned is a little bit dated. Uh the planters were not in very good shape. It needed some repairs. Uh and this is uh more detailed on the

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actual materials. You see the prominent uh parapet feature on the corner and the diagonal lines on the facade facing the corner. We're keeping those elements uh but uh the we're changing the cool gray tones uh and making it a more warm type

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of building. Uh so the original approval was for limestone cladding on the facade and uh travertine on the ground level as well as a perforated metal screen on the garage. We're keeping the perforated metal screen. Uh but there was an issue

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with the limestone cladding on the facade of the building and really it comes down to the intrusiveness of the construction of putting that limestone and the time it's going to take in order to achieve that project. Uh right now the tenants are going through a difficult time with construction. Uh

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it's very intrusive. The noise it's making it difficult for the tenants to remain in the building. The changes that we're proposing are intended to achieve the same exact effect that you see uh you'll see a rendering of what we're proposing while speeding up the construction process and making it much

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less intrusive for the tenants that are currently there so that the building can remain occupied and continue on its upward trajectory uh that started when the Rivani entity purchased the leaseold interest. Uh so this is a a more broadside view of the previously approved project. you see the the facade

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color change and the the materiality on the light sconces as well as the perforated metal screening on the garage. Uh and one element that also changed between the last previously approved project and the current project is the garage ventilation. Uh originally

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it was intended that we're going to take out those ventilation fans. It turns out that wasn't really feasible. So what we're doing is a custom perforated metal screen that's going to blend in with the facade as well. So, uh, some kind of cleanup elements and making this project a little bit faster, a little bit more

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feasible. Uh, and Jillian will Jillian Rio will walk you through in a little bit more detail uh, how the project is going to unfold with the new EFS panel. And we have a a sample here. You can feel free to come and look at it and feel it. It is a a lighter material, so

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it's going to be a lot easier to install. Uh, Jillian, if you want to walk them through how that's going to go. Good morning everyone. >> Good morning. >> I'm Jillian Rio. I'm the design director for Rivani. Um I know we had an excellent intro from Nicholas, but I'm

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I'm gonna recap just a little bit of where we are in time. Um Revani is a luxury brand. We are delivering a hotel-like experience to office in terms of aesthetics, amenities, and lifestyle. Our existing tenants in a sense thought they were hitting the jackpot when we

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presented where they will be working in two years once our project reached completion. We were turning your typical 2001 Miami Beach corner building into a romantic retreat with our stone sconces, awnings, and the elimination of stark smooth stucco. During our 20-year

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waterproofing repair, the stucco chipping proved to be so loud that the noise and vibration made it almost impossible for our tenants to work from their offices. With the perfectly valid noise complaints, myself being one of the complainers as my office is on the fifth floor, we needed to truly evaluate

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the next phases of construction. The next step of anchoring the stone panels to the building's exterior will not only be louder than the stuckle repair, but it will also be performed for a longer duration of time. Our incredible team of designers and engineers believe there is no such thing as

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problems, only opportunities for solutions. With months of searching, we finally found a product that achieved the same 45°ree bevel design and texture of our stone panel and could be attached to the building without drilling anchors. Our Ephus panel shown here

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performs in the same exact manner aesthetically with no installation hardships. This moment of reflection also allowed for our team to re-evaluate the facade design and reposition some of the sconces on the new taller panels, thus tying the existing ribbon windows

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together with verticality. Anything to make a chunky building look taller. Some of some other existing conditions and opportunities we've met during construction include a planter was shown at the top of the building with the crown recessed behind when in fact the

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facade and crown are on the same plane. We decided to eliminate the planter instead of adding an appendage. Our garage mechanical ventilation system we decided to keep as existing to remain and since we are wrapping the garage openings with a screen we have had to

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have add perforated panels. Sorry. We've had to add perforated panels >> with a larger percentage of opening to allow the fans to breathe in in a few areas. This is a sample of the perforated panel. Not the correct color.

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It would be the same exact color as the um as the ephus panel here in the Roman clay. It's minimal but necessary. We hope you enjoy the design, refinement, and ease of construction that we are presenting. We are building the plane as we're flying it and there are no empty

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seats available. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> We're available to answer any questions and >> Yes. >> I didn't know you wanted to say something. Okay. >> Sorry. >> Before we

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>> are we open public comment. Uh are there any exparte disclosures? >> Okay. >> Want to open this to the public? Anybody here today online? If you'd like to speak online, please raise your hand. >> I have a question.

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>> Nobody's hands are raised. >> Okay. Close public and open this up to the board. Um, who would like to start? >> Yeah, sure. Chair. Um, I'm sure that the building next door, the apartment buildings next door are

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also probably complaining with that noise as well, right? >> There have been some complaints from the neighbors. Um, most of the complaints are coming from our tenants. >> And how much time is this going to alleviate this change in the construction?

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>> This could alleviate 2 months for our construction process. So that scaffolding would come down a lot sooner. >> Want to make sure I understand. So instead of taking and chipping away at the current stucco that is in place in

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the building from when it was originally uh built, you're going to attach a sample that you've brought here today. Um and that will um adhere to any wind uh problems and structural problems.

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>> Mhm. It's engineered to to be fastened to the building and there there should be no issues moving forward. >> And let me ask you when when the idea originally was to remove the stuckco, what was going to be put on the building

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facade in lie of stucco. >> It was a stone panel in the same shape as the ephus. The issue with the stone panel is that it had to have anchors into the building. So, not only the chipping but the drilling.

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>> Mhm. Okay. And I assume there's no um sample that can be attached, no eaves that can be attached that can replicate the look of the stone that you originally were going to

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>> That's a great question. We did visit the idea of replicating stone, but the idea of replicating stone, even when you're presenting a porcelain as stone, it's never going to be stone. So, instead of lying about who we are and

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what we are, we decided to create this protrusion in the stucco itself. So, we're achieving the texture, we're achieving this shape, but we're not lying about, you know, attach making fake stone and attaching it to the building. And what is this made of?

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>> This is Ephus. It is It's a a foam solution. It's pretty common for exterior exterior buildings and it performs great in Miami Beach. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um I know you said it was a two-month uh

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timing save. What was the anticipated time to install the stone? >> The stone was about 2 months of installation. Oh, so this will be like very fast. Is that what you mean? Okay. >> Yeah. Just one one thing I want to add to that the stone installation will be two months, but all the prep work and

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all the destructive work would be a few months more than that. So probably a toz duration for stone versus this a six-month delay, but you would it would be 6 months where you would have to vacate the entire building. You would not be able to have anybody operate for 6 months, which with existing office tenants is not something we can do.

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>> Okay. Um and can I ask an unrelated question to the stone? Um maybe it's just the renderings. Is the crown now not set back? It's moved up. >> Yeah, honestly that was a mistake in understanding the existing conditions of the building. We always thought that the

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crown was set back. It is an existing element. Um but it actually is on the same plane of the facade. So instead of attaching a planter to create that same idea, we said, you know, let's honor what's there. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you.

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>> Excuse me. Good morning. Um, what is the life expectancy of this stone? >> This ephus panel, I think it is >> pretty sure it has a 20-year warranty that comes with it. >> I wanted to say 25, but there the warranty itself is a little less.

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>> Okay. And an unrelated question, what is your occupancy rate right now? Uh, >> we're proud to say with pre-construction was 90%. >> 90%. Okay. So, you're interrupting a lot of Yes. Okay. Thank you. comments. Um,

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thank you for for the presentation and uh this project investing into into the city with this. Um, I just refamiliarizing myself with it. So the is everything being clad in ephus or

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just the panels with the light fixtures. Okay. So you're stucco restcoing and then the protrusions are going to be this this ephus panel. So the crown is as you were saying is is just stucco restcoled and repainted. >> Um and the planters on the the corner

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are staying or they're going. >> They're stank. >> Okay. Those are nice. Um, I'm familiar with EIS. It's uh used a lot up in up in New York. Um, luckily here we don't have temperature swings to

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because otherwise I'd worry about this panel and water intrusion behind and then freezing and then cracking it off and and that's what I've had the most experience with. Um, but it is fast and easy and and much more affordable and you can get a good look at it with especially when you put the right stucco

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finish on it, which you guys have already suggested. And I saw your waterproof detail which looks pretty good. So that it's it's a joint between it. Um, which I think should should last. Um,

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so I don't I don't see any major issues with it. I know you probably would have preferred stone. stays true and it's nicer, but it's I can imagine the cost and and just the prep work for it. Um, is there any of this down at the street level?

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>> There is not. >> Okay, good. >> At what level does it begin of the building? >> It begins at level two. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, no nobody's going to be able to come in contact with it. And the the

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reason why I ask is because people can jab it and scratch it and and mark it. So it doesn't do well at like the pedestrian level. >> Yeah. It's not on the pedestrian level whatsoever. >> It's not at the pedestrian level whatsoever. It's on the second floor and

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above. >> And you've seen some other projects that have used the EIS panels cuz I I haven't seen too many down here. I know everyone's used to using just >> coming from the shopping center world which was my original before I came to Miami. We use Ephus all the time, even in cold weather areas and cracking would

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be a concern, but we're not concerned with it whatsoever here. And aesthetically, when you're sitting at the building, you can't really appreciate the building from very far away because you have buildings side by side. So, you can really only get to the second, third floor from the visual. You will not be able to tell the difference for the most part to the naked eye that

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it's an ephas panel versus it's and we intentionally put this Roman clay finish on it, which is two times more expensive than a typical finish for it to have that movement and kind of disappear and to look more stonelike. Yeah, the finish is nice. If you just put a regular stuckle on it, it would lose its

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>> Yeah, it looks like popcorny and looks cheap and does not look does not look good. >> Um, >> where else did you say was used here in this area? >> No, I was saying I I I did it in other shopping centers that I used to develop. I use the Ephus panels. >> But here in this area, you have not this

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EES material has not been utilized to the best of your knowledge. Um, I would I I I don't know. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I've seen it in a few buildings. I don't know them offhand, but I I mean, I'm driving and I'm watching. I'm like, "Oh, there it's going up." You know, >> I've definitely seen them. I just can't

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recall what building off hand >> and it's hard to tell after the fact because then it just turns into >> stuckle and it But it does exist in this area. >> Mhm. >> I have one question. at the retail corner of the building where on the

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first level is that a fabric panel going to be used for awning instead of the ephus? >> Yes, the it's on the on the second floor level on the corner that is a a fabric awning. >> It's using fabric because it's easier to switch out for retail purposes or

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>> how this No, it's uh it's not to be switched out. This is um it's a a a fabric that we wanted to add to the pedestrian level. Um it's it is just purely ornamental and it was in the previous approved set.

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>> Okay. >> Question is there what's the moisture risk of of this install installing this in Miami Beach? Any any issues with moisture on this type of installation on the beach? So with anything that you're attaching to the outside of the building, there's risk of moisture. Um

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it's fully waterproofed behind. It is a waterproof solution itself. And the design intent of having that bevel, it's not allowing for any water to sit on it either. Um and and like uh Mr. Meshberg was saying that the the cocking joint

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between the panel and the rest of the building, it it exists. So, we've gone through the procedure of making sure that this is fully waterproofed. >> The mesh that you have there in stainless steel color or silver color, that's going to be what kind of

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material? Stainless steel. >> So, that is a painted to match the rest of the stucco. It only occurs, I think, in four locations on the garage. Um, the idea is for it to slip away into the rest of the stucco. M

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>> um it is sitting next to the perforated design panel that we have in the champagne color. Um and this element is continuing the horizontality of the stucco and then you have the champagne band of the openings in the garage. Um I

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apologize for not bringing it in the correct color, but this would be in the Roman clay color. >> Okay. >> But the material itself is >> it's metal. >> Metal. >> That's the actual one. And it doesn't rust? >> No. >> No. >> Absolutely not.

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>> Okay. So, it's a stainless steel type material. Okay. Thank you. >> And the decorative metal. What was was something changing on the decorative metal? >> I don't believe so. I know in the beginning of the presentation it said that something was, but we didn't change anything there. >> I don't see that either.

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>> Yeah. Um, and you have a drip edge underneath these panels like in case there's any water intrusion behind it. Like it's I mean they're glued screwed and glued. And if you make sure they butter the backs, they'll be it'll be it'll be

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bonded. Um, that would that's my that's all you would worry about. You don't want them popping off. Um >> given that this is glued what is

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>> and screwed >> and screwed but what is it for like hurricane proof? Talk to me about that. >> So in the system itself it has the the rating of the system being hurricane rated. Then we have our structural

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engineer who's evaluated and created the detail to also ensure that we have the hurricane rating. Um, beyond that, I I don't know what else could be provided. I know that I don't anticipate anything happening to this building because the

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system itself and our engineer of record have both agreed that this is okay. Um, I I think it's going to I think it's going to work well. Yeah. I have one question for planning. In the second page of the

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um uh document that was given to us, compliance with zoning code, it says that it shall this um the comments noted shall not be considered final zoning review or approval. Is that I've not seen that comment

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before. Are we moving into something different? >> No, we that's pretty standard in most of our staff reports. We try to do as thorough review as we can for the DRB, but when they come in for building permitting, things tend to change or there might be little details that we missed. >> So, it captures those changes. Yes.

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Okay. Thank you. >> I can make a motion if Okay. Make a motion to approve DRB25-116091 Michigan Avenue. >> Second. >> Second. I believe I heard Mr. Pies. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. All those in favor? >> I I post. >> Thank you very much. >> Motion passes. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you. >> See, it's light. >> Yeah, very light. >> Um This isn't not a new application, but

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72nd Street is >> well, previously approved. >> Previously approved. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Uh the RB25, I'm sorry, the RB26 1161 FKA DRB 24 1072 29972nd Street. This application has

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been filed requesting modification to a previously approved design review approval for the construction of a new five-story community complex with a parking garage, library, community center, aquatic center, fitness center, retail multiple multi-purpose fields and

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jogging track. Specifically, the applicant is proposing to change the materials, design elements, landscaping and other architectural features. Okay. So, this is for the uh North Beach Community 72nd Street Community Complex. This was previously approved by the

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board on May 15th, 2025. Um it's for just for those we have some new members. So, for those that weren't here at the time, um this is a community complex that includes a 590 space parking garage, includes a public library, includes an aquatic center with pools,

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um includes soccer fields, um includes a community center, community gym, and and and other other facilities. Um it's part of uh um the uh general obligation bond that was approved by the voters. This is one of the projects that was promised as

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part of the general obligation bond in 20 uh that was approved by voters in 2018. Um so the the um applicant came before the board. Um they've then since gone into actual construction documents and they realized that some changes had

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to be made uh to the plans. Um the modifications some of the modifications are are substantial enough that it required coming back to the board. Um so they're here to request um some modifications to the to the design. Um, I'll go through what those are. Um, it's

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it's some of them are some of them are minor details, others are are a little more um a little more significant to the design. So, I'll just go through those. Um, so the the rooftop eyebrow parapit was increased in thickness for wind resistance compliance. Um, the exterior

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concrete columns that um are near the garage entrance uh were redesigned to be a more robust Vshape with connecting with a connecting beam. um guard rails along the the side the the sides of the facade were replaced with anodized aluminum and continuous

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vertical fin pickets. Um the parking garage signage was moved to the top of a column for a stronger architectural presence. This is the entrance to the garage. Um they added painted beams and metal fins above the mechanical roof enclosure. Uh new metal fin enclosure

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was added at the northwest um monumental stair landing. Um the uh north wall garage openings were changed from glass to a perforated metal screen uh matching the screen added at the north at the southwest corner near the main entrance.

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Um the stucco facade facade along 72nd Street was enhanced with reveals to break up the the broadall surfaces. Um additional window an additional window was added on the north walls of the retail space. Though staff does recommend that these be enlarged a little bit more for better street inte

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integration. Um in terms of the site plan, the site plan was revised to reflect updated grading and elevation changes. Um um the uh entry plaza on 72nd and 73rd Street and Harding Avenues uh were adjusted to

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match the the uh site conditions. Um the jogging path along Harding Avenue was re realigned um due to um um some additional information that was provided by FPL. There's some electrical lines on the perimeter there and some some landscaping. So they've slightly revised

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the jogging path on the southwest portion of the site. Um and this also does it improves the street level in activation. Um they've provided additional native plantings along the site perimeter near the jogging path. Um most of the um um trees along Collins

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Avenue are being preserved. The specimen trees along Collins Avenue, there's uh sea grapes there. Those are being preserved. That's something that was requested by the board um the last time around and that's that's um the site's being modified to be able to accommodate that. Um the other thing that they're seeking

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approval of is the screening of the garage along Harding Avenue. This is going to be an art and public places project. Um the applicant is seeking uh for that to be approved. They've uh they have an artwork called entitled rising which has been designed by an artist

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named Atellier Mander Mander Manfordini. Um and it's inspired by ocean wave movement. Um the design is dynamic. It has several layers to it. Um um and uh it's using a screening system called structure flex flex facades and then

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some steel structures and some aluminum framing framing and a vented mesh. Um the color palette primarily consists of blue, black and off-white and a chartreuse green colors. It's a it's a very pretty design and I'm sure the uh the the architects will be presenting it

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in greater detail. Um staff does recommend that it be approved. Um and I and it was supported by the art and public places committee I believe. Um staff recommends that these uh that these modifications be approved and that the art and public places screening be

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approved. Um additionally there's there's one additional consideration that we have a a condition for. Um the city and the city commission are currently evaluating incorporating the glory of old glory mosaic murals which were designed by Enzo Gallow. They were

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previously located on Lincoln Road in the Wells Fargo building um that was demolished and replaced with a Citizen M hotel. Those murals were preserved. The city owns those uh most of those murals were preserved. The city owns them and the city is considering placing them

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along the ground level of the building facing the soccer fields. It's being eval the feasibility of that is being evaluated and the cost of that is being evaluated. um if the city commission um chooses to proceed with that, we do have a condition in the order that allows for

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them to be placed there. Um if the city commission decides not to proceed with placing the murals there and locating them somewhere else, then the design will continue as as was initially proposed. Um so with that staff recommends approval um pursuant to the conditions in the attached draft order

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and the uh architect uh for the city is here and CIP is here. >> Hi good morning. Uh Herman Fong, senior project manager with CIP. Um we're here today with our consultant uh watermaker Justin Architects

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um CG CGA. >> Yeah. >> And the uh artist um Ailia Maffordini. >> Hello. Good morning. My name is Natalia. I'm with Wanomaker Jensen Architects. Thank you for having us. Um

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am I controlling the the presentation? >> You should be able to So, as uh Herman Herman said, we are um we're returning back to you to um to review all the modifications and also discuss and present the art and public

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places uh design that uh Elena has um we've worked with Elena to to present. Um just a little bit of the history. I know Roel's already talked about it um but essentially um we're here to discuss

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really three major three major elements that were uh discussed or were mentioned in the recorded order. um the sea grapes that um were requested to be maintained as part of the project, the substantial modifications that we've had to um

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implement in order to uh design and create the the design of the project and also the uh the design for the art and public places. Um just a little bit of a recap of the project for those of you who might not

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be familiar with it. It it does take up a full uh block of the uh North Beach neighborhood. It's uh will be replacing the parking lot 92. It is uh adjacent to the band shell and um it is accessible

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will be accessible on all uh five sides. So there's a lot of a lot of uh dynamic and interesting activity that will be taking place. We really see this project as the heart of the community. um almost like the living room of the community.

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Um so here is the updated heartscape. Um I'll have uh Giano, our landscape architect, um discuss some of the items. >> Sure. Good morning, Goli. It's really difficult to outdo Roelo. He did an amazing job sort of uh covering a lot of the points. I think that the critical

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piece for us to convey today is that as we had to um uh mediate some of the grading issues, some of the running tracks around the area had to be sort of um repositioned. Um so that existing condition along the street is now well

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harmonized. Um, a couple things that were not necessarily sort of conveyed earlier was that besides preserving all of the sea grapes and the coconut palms and the bismaria palms along Collins, um, we also made an attempt to preserve

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some warrior points siana and seagate trees that are on the Harding side. Um we're really hardressed to try to preserve those as much as possible because um that heavy dark line that runs along the south, west, and north is an FPL leasement and they literally

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wanted everything out of there. Nothing could grow taller than 12 ft. So it was a very ownorous sort of restriction that they put on us. So when you look at our at our at our planting plan, you'll see that we have a lot of small trees. Um, we're actually pushing the envelope as much as possible to create as much of a

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canopy there because one of the concerns was the legibility of that western facade as you're coming down southbound on Harding at least to try to use the landscaping as much as possible to sort of soften that. So, what we did was that um on the top left you'll see the sort

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of white box. Those are existing trees that we're sort of creating some retaining walls around there and and adding a seat wall there with some um uh treated wood that has a lifespan of about 30 years. Um it's a soft wood

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that's u sort of plasticized um and has a really sort of longevity. It patentizes as normal as wood would, so it's going to have that look and feel. Um in addition to that, all of our landscaping is mostly native. Um because

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we are so close to the shoreline, you know, having done work on the beach for many years, we understand the impact of the salt spray, um and that sheer wind. So, a lot of our vegetation is salt tolerant and more applicable for uh sort

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of the dune. Um uh Roelu had already mentioned about the jogging path being adjusted with regards to the existing grades. Um, one thing that was requested by the board was some level of ground, some ground level activation and some

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exercise equipments have been placed on the southwest and north southwest and northwest corners of the property um with some with some exercise and vitource type equipment to sort of generate as much sort of ground level activity as possible in light of the

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fitness trail that's going around the property. >> Oops. Thank you. >> Thank you, Giana. So, uh, moving on to the views. I know most of you might be familiar with it. Um, we just want to point out some of

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the the changes which we think are really, um, minimal to the impact of the design. Um, but just want to point them out to you. Um, the the the items that Roelo has already listed. Um, so here you can see uh we increased the the

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height of the parapit. Um, we've uh changed the design of the guardrail to be alum uh anodized aluminum picket uh picket fence. Um, and we've here you can't see it in this view very well, but you can see uh pointed out the the columns throughout the uh freestanding

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columns have been modified to uh really incorporate better with the required structural needs. Um, but also to implement a a nicer, more uh elegant, cohesive design. Um, so we're we'll be moving around the the project. I'll try

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to move quickly. Um, so here you can see on this view a little better. Um, where we've implemented uh some new concrete painted concrete beams and aluminum uh fins to uh basically conceal the um

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rooftop um mechanical equipment. Um this is the view now looking from Harding and 72nd. again pointing out the the concrete beams and and aluminum fins. Um and you can see the guardrail

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design has is basically consistent throughout the entire project. The improvements to the site um in this location you can also see the trees that Giana was talking about on Harding side and along the swailes on 72nd Street.

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Um, this is just a a roof plan indicating and showing the location where the aluminum fins uh and beams were incorporated to conceal the mechanical equipment. Um, this is a view looking south um southeast. Um, here you can start to see

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a glimpse of the art which we'll get into the details of uh in a little bit with Elena. Um and he also you can see on this side where we've changed the um the metal the glazing on the north wall

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to be alum u metal perforated metal panels. Um again introducing the art as well which we'll get into in a little bit a little bit. So some of the materials have been updated. Um, we've uh included the flex

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facade product not only in the art with art and public places uh concept but also throughout on on a few other elevations which I'll I'll point out. So here you can see um the the panels uh just on the ground floor you can uh with

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the striping the blue uh blue and white striping that will also be part of the flex facade. Um so we've kind of taken Elena's um really brilliant design and incorporated into throughout the the rest of the project in including a mural

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on the third level as well. This is uh elevation on the south. You can start to see the the new column design, the uh V-shaped columns that have been incorporated. And here's a a kind of focused rendering

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on the entry of the building, the main entry of the building with the the new V-shaped columns. We've also integrated uh the new parking garage signage to make it more uh more integrated with the new design of the columns.

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This um I'm going to move around the buildings. These are some uh street views that you can see. This is from uh Collins and uh 72nd Street Plaza. from 72nd Street

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directly in front of from 72nd Street. Uh this is a view you'll get from uh Harding Avenue as you're drive moving north. Um this is the corner of Harding and 72nd looking uh northeast.

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Uh this is uh the view looking south uh southeast on 73rd and Harding. Here you can see um those vertical stripes is where we've uh converted the glazing um into aluminum metal panels.

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And this is the view looking south uh west from 70 uh 73rd in Collins. This is uh the plaza outside of the retail space. And now uh we'll be moving into the art and public places presentation. So, I'd

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like to introduce Elena Mar Manfini. >> Nice to meet you. Thank you. >> Glad to be here. Um, it's a beautiful project. I think the artist did a great job and was a pleasure to work with. Um, the art is called Rising. Um, and Ryzen

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transforms the garage facade into a playful, uplifting uh, experience inspired by water and movement. Uh, through vibrant aquatones and energetic patterns, the artwork animates the architectural surface of the building

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and really starts to be a presence within the community. Situated near uh Miami Beach within a coastal environment shaped by sunlight, ocean breeze and steady pedestrian and vehicular traffic. We wanted to give the

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sides a strong visibility and also play an important role in the surrounding fabrics. We wanted also to respond to the aquatic center identity. The artwork wants to echo the movement and energy of the pools, the water activities and offer

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visual interest from different vantage point. turning the parking lots into a canvas for color form and bringing a sense of delight to the community and enforcing this building connection to

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water recreation and community life. This diagram captures the flow of a wave and that motion is then mapped onto the facade to guide the overall composition of the screen of the garage. Here

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you can see um the artwork. You can see a daytime perspective for the artwork that wrap in front of the garage and behind the stairs. Going closer to this, you can start seeing the two elements next to each other. The facade one meaning the screen

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in front of the garage and the facade 2, the screen behind the stairs. Facade one is divided into multiple layers. So it's not just flats. It actually has a minimum depth three 8 12 feet. So within that depth we are

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creating motion, shadows, interest. It is a closeup to understand a bit more about how we worked with the depth and the geometry of the piece and also to see in a closeup the perforation of the screen itself. And we bought we brought here a sample and I I'll go more into

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details in what it looks like. And on the other hand um behind the stairs we're moving into the same motif of colors but going into uh paint elements. Also we wanted to offer a view in the night because this is also a feature of

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the art piece. Uh this would be also illuminated in the night time. So evening and night uh will have also a special illumination that will bring to life uh the artwork and the building and the neighborhood.

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So this is just an example of how the lighting will happen in front of the building to illuminate as uh lively as possible this um piece of art. Um going into the material itself, we are imagining to use flex facans which

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is a decorative screening system consisting of aluminum extrusion which is maybe a sample here if you want to see is an aluminum extrusion um that tension the fabric skin uh made of durable pees and I'll go a bit more in

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detail on this. is a turnkey system uh that can be surface mounted uh to a concrete structure or also attached to a steel framework. So we're gonna have both this condition. Part of it will be attached to the concrete to span and part will be framed uh on metal and

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therefore we're going to get some depth into this facade. Um in terms of performance, the system helps reduce heat and glare while still allowing ventilation. It is also lightweight and designed to withstand extreme weather conditions with low

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maintenance requirements. It supports graphics and colors which allows us to develop uh the facade pattern and material is fully recyclable which is also I think is an important uh component of the project. Um the PES ventilated mesh is selected

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for the project is a polyvinyl coated polyester mesh with additional protective coating for durability and longevity. In terms of performance, it provides shading and screening while reducing heat gain and maintaining air flow. In terms of maintenance, the

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material is low and easy to clean surface maintenance. It can be cleaned using standard soap, low pressure water to remove dirt and dusted. And the cleaning process is similar to other facile materials and the frequency

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is also similar to metal only basically will appear to be visually dirty. The system is designed for long-term use with an estimated lifespan of 20 years and works well across a variety of climates. It also meets fire rating

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requirements and comes with a 10-year minimum warranty. And these are some of the very few of the many actually uh project that that are already made with this kind of system and these are the one that are in Miami. So I wanted to give a sense that this is something that has been used

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before several times all across the country and specifically in the city of Miami. And these projects include a range of building types from residential to mixeduse developments to parking structures. So I can open now to the questions if

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there are any any expporte disclosures before we open the meeting. Okay. Could anybody in the Anybody have anything to say in public? Anybody online?

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>> If you'd like to speak online, please raise your hands. Nobody online. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh we will open it up to the board. >> Just for clarification, the art that you just demonstrated, that's going to be on

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the west facade by Harding Avenue. Okay. And then do you have any uh samples or pictures of the facade that the city owns u from another site that may be utilized? They're considering the

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utilization on the east side of the facade. >> I I believe there is a project that is currently being designed with the same system, but I don't believe it's it's been installed yet. Uh, I'm referring to the um CIP noticed

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that there was some art work that they owned. >> Oh, sorry. You're referring to the mural. Yes. >> Um, yes, we have a rendering of a potential location. Um, if you could bring up the presentation and go to

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slide 57. So this is a a rendering that we put together as part of a feasibility study for the potential locations for the two the four murals >> and it would be a ground level. >> Yes. Yeah. And is there any pictures of

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that artwork, murals that are being considered? >> I I do not have them, but um we can certainly share them with you. >> Does that require them coming back to DRB at a later time? >> We have a condition in there that would allow them to proceed should the city

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commission approve it. Um there I don't I don't know if you recall the building. It had a mural that was Abraham Lincoln. Um >> Betsy Ross. >> Betsy Ross. Um, I forgot the other two. >> Where was it? >> It was on Lincoln Road. There was a Wells Fargo bank building. There were

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tiled mosaic murals >> um along the facades of the of the bank building. >> Oh, yes. Okay. On Lincoln and Alton. >> Lincoln and Alton. Yes. >> Okay. Yes, I remember. >> Um, Romero, I think. Romero. Roelio. Romero

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used to be the whatever. uh Roelio and I don't know if CIP in a property zoned um government use what is the required zoning code for permeable area versus non-permeable

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>> the government use takes on the average of the surrounding districts in this case the average um we have to the south we have TCC which is the town center central core um which uh has no open space requirement though it does have setbacks

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Um, and then to the north we have um I believe it's RM1 which does have an open space requirement of uh I believe it's 60%. So we would take the average of that >> and you don't take the east and west.

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>> East and west is also government use. So So as far as you all the way to the water it's government use because government use has no regulation. It's it's basically you take the surrounding >> but what the permeable area currently is in the east side and on the west side even though it's government use you

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don't take it into consideration in calculating the average. >> No no we would just take the the adjacent zoning districts that are not government use. So what what does it end up being and where are they in relationship to the required

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permeable area 60 plus 100. It looks like it requires 80% um it allows 80% to be paved. So only requires 20% to be open and they and

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they exceed that with the soccer fields. >> Yeah. I I don't know how the rest of the board feels, but I have to tell you we've discussed how some things that come to us we don't quite understand or agree with.

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>> Um if we require single family homes to have permeable areas in the back and in the front and on the sides of 50%. >> Mhm. Um, it seems to me that government should set the example. The city should set the example and make the same

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requirements for government use properties, zoned properties, because at the end of the day, this area does flood. >> And the only permeable area is by Collins Avenue. um very small area on

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the north, on the west, and on the south, especially when you take into account the walkways that are being incorporated. And this is probably more of a discussion that we should have had May of 2025. And maybe we did, I don't recall, but the walkways, are they

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permeable material? Right now they just show as concrete, but that's that's something um that that we could consider using um a permeable turf-like material. I don't know if that's is that something that you think we could

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>> uh yeah, we can certainly look into it. Okay. Um the other I I think it Roelio and I keep on calling you. >> No, you were right. Roelio's right. Okay. It's Ramro, >> but I'll answer anything with an R. Romero was and he was the deputy um to

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the city manager when I was here. That's why um wonderful guy by the way. Anyway, um I I think this is a discussion for later on. I don't know how the rest of the board feels, but if we are a city where we are taking into consideration

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in single family homes and even in multi-use properties that there be a certain percentage of permeable area because of the conditions that surround us certainly government should take the leading role in that in its government you know lands. You want do you want to

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see like rain gardens and like a upper buffer but like a um >> I'm sorry >> sister. >> Sister unless some type of water collection system that's natural. >> No, I think there should be more green space. >> Yeah. >> Um not the sistern. You know, we're not

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in in Turkey or anything, but not the sistern. And that would be great if they can incorporate one for the collection of rainwater. >> But um but I think it should have more permeable, more green space as we homeowners are required to have

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>> at a very large expense. >> Um >> well, this building being lead, >> does it have water retention on site for all impermeable surfaces? >> Um where

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>> I think the the microphone is off. There you go. >> Oh, we're handling most of the drainage system with drainage wells. It's what's required for Miami Beach. Um, we do have on-site system for collecting rainwater and for irrigation.

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>> I think your point is is is good. I mean, we don't want >> I think it's a discussion for another it's too late for this project, unfortunately, as is probably the third point I will bring up which was brought up at the May 2025 meeting. um that this project came before us and

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the city was reluctant to continue city and architects were reluctant to continue speaking with FPL for the undergrounding of wires that go from um across Harding Avenue which is a major

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traffic street and yet we're building and spending as a community tremendous amount of money in North Beach and in this property as we did in the North Beach Community Center which is to the west of this property that's before us now this project and yet we have a

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laundry line going across Harding Avenue and all because it's difficult to underground >> difficult to deal with FPL and I understand it's also difficult to deal with the city but if homes can do it

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certainly um a project like this should have had that >> I think most of the local lines are being undergrounded the issue is is the high tension longd distance transmission line that runs through the property. Um, which is a which transmits a lot of

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electricity from north to south. But the the local lines are being undergrounded. It's just that high tension line there. There's sort of the solution is they're going around the block. Right now it runs through the block because it's a surface parking lot. Um, so they've diverted it so that the power goes around the block. Um, but I I I I

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understand your concern. I you know Collins Avenue, my understanding from years ago is undergrounded and certainly if we can underground Collins Avenue with all of the building structures that we have on Collins, this is another potential project and CIP really has to

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take the role on this to make sure that you know it's a good fight with FPL to do their piece of this. >> It's a shame that it's not with all the money. I don't even want to know the budget on this project. U but it's a shame that we're not undergrounding.

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We're still going to look like the S carousel of progress in Disney where we still have wires running every which way. >> I do remember that meeting coming up in May last year where it was requested and

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it really is sad that we still are at this point again. Um because it really is if we as homeowners have to do it and we have to adhere to certain things then you know I've tried working with FPNL

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and they're a little accommodating. So I got to let you know that we should push FPNL for an undergrounding as well. And I apologize. Your artwork is beautiful and the project is beautiful and it will

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be a wonderful addition to the North Beach area >> and I love the lighting of it of the effect of the um art and public places mural. So kudos to that. But the really the underwiring was a concern back then. It is concerned today.

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Chair, >> does anybody have any questions about the >> I was just waiting to be called. I was just waiting for you to call. >> Oh, go for it. >> Um, >> those lines that you're talking about, Miss Burkaboli, are on the south side of

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the property. So on the west side of the aquatic center and it goes from the >> west side of the property to the east side of the um >> I guess >> on the south side of the property. >> It's in front of the in front of the art >> across Harding Avenue,

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>> right? >> It crosses Harding Avenue of the >> from the from the youth center to the proposed project. It it crosses at the intersection >> and it goes continues east >> alongside the property. It it goes follows the north. It goes It goes from

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south to north. >> It goes from south to north on the west side of the property. Yeah, >> understood. >> Um, you know, >> and then crosses Harding. >> And then crosses Harding. I mean, I I concur. But a lot of times the city um doesn't do these projects because they

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don't want to delay, but at the same time, it hurts in the long run. The same thing with um having I don't know the the field. We're talking about the field is not permanable. the field that's going to be put on the east side. >> No, that shouldn't be per it'll be permanent. >> It's got to have wells.

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>> Well, as a any perfect example, you say we should, right? But if you go to Flamingo Park and it rains and it's Flamingo Lake because that whole entire field in Flamingo Park uh becomes a lake every single time it rains. So, you would assume it is, but it's not. So,

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why is it that Flamingo Park becomes a lake on the field? My thought is because Flamingo Park was done back in 9495 and back then flooding wasn't so much of the issue at hand. Um so exfiltration

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systems and wells were not incorporated into these projects and into even some of the smaller parks. But this is a new project and certainly they have the the ability to not only add systems and wells, possibly do exfiltration systems

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for what good they are for 10 years um but but also increase in the future going forward um on government property having them have the same burden as the rest of the city. >> I agree. I'm just bringing it up just in

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case because sometimes we assume and then things like that don't happen. What is the elements inside of this aquatic center that are under AC, not garage elements? What are their view corridors through these design elements

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on the outside? Can because I kept on looking for the actual floor plans to see how they interact and I couldn't find them on this. Do you have them here? Can we put them up? I see all the exterior bridge. Can you show me another? I >> I don't think there's anything from the

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inside looking out. >> I'm not saying just the plan itself. >> The floor plan. >> The floor plan. >> Um, sorry. I I think these are all the floor plans that I have at this moment. Um, >> we did we didn't bring the full detailed floor plans because that was that's not

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that wasn't being modified. Um, but we can we can show them to you. you have the prior proof plans that have them if you if you need >> I I'm just curious to know how the outside design or when you're there what what is that design element for the inside you know and there's that retail

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spot that's on the end what how much square footage is that what what does that what's the look and feel from the inside out or from the outside in how does that interact how much ret how much office retail

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space is there between the library the other side in total. Can you just give us >> There's very limited uh office space. The only office space is really the aquatics office space. >> Um the rest is really community center.

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Um there's uh two multi-purpose rooms and um pre-unction space. Um, you have the reception area for the aquatics, but most of that is really taken up by the locker rooms and the requirements for all all the locker rooms and restrooms.

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And >> so the library that's there is how many square feet and what's the interaction between the outside designs and the inside? Can do we have any of that? >> The library is 7,500 square ft more or less. Um, the community center is about

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5,000 square feet. Aquatic Center is 7,900 square feet. Fitness center 7,900 square feet. And let me get you I don't have the retail off the top of my head. Let me >> Is there any of the exterior art that interacts with the windows and whatnot of these spaces? And how does that look

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from the inside or from the outside looking in or vice versa? >> The the um artistic mural will be only on the garage facade. So it won't be blocking any of the windows of any of the community space. The community space is primarily looking to the south, to

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the north, and to the and to the east. Um, and so they'll have windows. They won't they won't have blocked views from the from any of this. >> And that community space is on which floor? >> It's on the third floor. >> Third floor. >> On the third floor. >> We designed we designed all the occupied

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mechanical um AC spaces to have views towards towards the beach. That was the the main focus. So that's why a lot of the um you see the buildings are or the occupied spaces are kind of on the south southeast corner of the main parking

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garage because we wanted to make sure that every space had a view towards the water. >> How is it that I could get my hands on the updated plans or whatever it shows of the AC space in those areas? I would like to see them.

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>> I think the plans Yeah. The plans are online right now. I mean, you can look at the floor plans. They're online. >> I clicked on I couldn't find it, but um >> I think there's a mural on the on the facade at the third floor in front of the community center on that on that wall, right? Facing the the second pool.

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>> It's not in front of the office. It's it's actually on the garage wall. >> Wall. >> Okay. >> The the retail area is 5,300 ft. Um so it's a small retail bay. Um >> that's in the northeast corner. Northeast corn. >> Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Is it? >> No. Northeast or northwest? >> Northeast. >> Northeast. >> Yeah. So, it's closest to to the ocean uh to the ocean terrace, right? >> Commercial corridor. >> Multiple retail spaces. >> I believe there's two retail bays that can be divided up to two retail bays or

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it can be combined. >> It could be combined. It could be multiple >> for a total of 5,300 square feet. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I guess >> page 71 shows at least a ground level footprint. >> I do think it's a missed opportunity.

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Well, I guess it's too might be too late to comment at this point, but the cafe like on page 46. I know they added some windows to make it more hospital, more retail like, but it does kind of look like a blank canvas without any awnings or

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>> lights sconces. >> Sorry. Can you put it up on the screen? >> Uh, page 46. >> Page 46 >> of the of their presentation. >> Presentation, I believe. Let me go. >> Yeah, I'll go to the elevations. >> Yeah. So I know they added some one

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window bay. >> So the the main focus for the retail space um also just keeping the consistency of the design with the sawtooth concept. Um we and all and also keeping the budget in mind and trying to minimize uh glazing in order to keep

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cost down. Uh we've located a lot of the glazing on the east facade throughout the building in general. one for views and two for visibility from Collins Avenue. So here you can see um the kind of focused uh rendering where you have

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most of the glazing on the retail facade. So all of the these three kind of stepped sections of the building are part of the same retail space. >> And on the east side, I'm sorry, you you just going to say, would the budget be

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too broken if they added the awning or something else to to >> add it at awning? >> Awning is when somebody make it more ident identifiable as a retail space because right now it kind of looks like a blank store. >> You for signage purposes? for signage or

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just >> um well the the idea was to introduce signage that that cafe sign is really a placeholder for whatever tenant does we currently don't have a tenants being designed as a shell space um so whenever there is a tenant they can utilize that

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wall >> to um basically um market their their space >> yeah it just kind of looks like a box right now >> yeah I don't think the we talked about the commercial space last time and they They improved it with more glazing, but I still think that you're not seeing

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that space as you're driving north because of the plantings in front of it in the stair. Like it's >> it's it's limited. If you if you go to slide page 71, at least we can look at this and and plan. And I was just wondering, is there is there enough

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outdoor seating for someone to sit like outside and take advantage of whatever future tenant is is in here? I know I see a couple chairs on on 71. Um, >> that is a a recommendation of the planning department that that I mentioned that we we do recommend that

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that glazing be expanded to the extent possible >> on on the north facade >> like cafe would be for >> Yeah. And what about outdoor seating? Like I see I I don't know. I just feel like you're you're you're covered by the stair, you know, you have that you're kind of niched in there, which could be

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good wind protection. Um, but is there enough, you know, say there wants to be a a cafe like they they want, is there enough seating for people to sit like you're you're showing them in the rendering? And I just look at the I look at the plan on

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page 71 and I look at the circulation and I'm just wondering is is there going to be will people be able to take advantage and sit out there because I don't know that that seems to be important to me. Um >> can can you show also the east side the on the field side that first floor is it

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all parking and just covered with um glass wall east. >> Maybe you could go to page 71. >> Sorry, I'm not I don't see what page I'm on. >> Oh, okay. Keep the last page. Second to last page. >> I'm just trying to see the east facade

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of the building. Oh, >> maybe this is not part of this is not the same. I'm looking at it's not part of this presentation. Sorry. It's It says it in red right in front of me. Sorry. >> What is the Does it have the page number in the lower right hand corner of yours? The the architectural sheet. I'm I'm

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looking at can you I'm trying to find this I don't know what the update of this version is >> and I'm trying to understand what happens here on this first floor. >> Um so that that was where the murals are potentially going to be located. Um but essentially that sawtooth wall will be a

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combination of stucco and the flex facade screen which is stepping stepping down as it progresses towards the >> What's behind that wall? >> It's parking. >> Parking. Yeah. I I just, you know, I I'm a little I'm overall frustrated

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with this project in general. When you put on a developer hat or real estate guys hat on >> and you look at this site, the most important side of the site is the east side, right here. You have your water, you have your views, you have everything there. >> And um there's a community center on the

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third floor on that site, right? >> Yeah. Um yes on the >> and it runs along the whole entire building. >> East facade. >> East facade. >> Not along the entire facade because a lot of it one we were limited with

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square footage. The footprint of where how much actual program space we need we needed to incorporate as part of the geo bond. So, we didn't really have enough square footage to even cover the whole facade of the parking garage

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>> because because we who's we and why couldn't we do it? >> I I mean, I just think that >> I think the DCP was something that was created many years ago and it had the requirements of the program. >> I think on that third floor where you have the community center,

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>> what else do you have facing? We have the the aquatics locker rooms and offices, >> the storage for the the aquatics and the community center. >> And those don't um lend themselves to having a view um to be clear glass um

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towards the east. They they are they have glass >> towards I mean where whatever program was logical in order to have glazing a a massive section of that is the locker rooms which obviously you don't have >> you don't so what portion of it is glass

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on the third floor facing east and what portion is >> all the all the sections that are uh facing east the the the building has a sawtooth design so all the the smaller sections of the sawtooth design that face east all of that is glazing and

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then also in front of the retail the um reception of the aquatics which faces east also as glass on the third floor >> on the third floor. I don't know Roelio is there a way that you could put the east facade up on the screen for people to be able to see it. I just think that

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it's not the highest and best use of the east side of that building not to have either more retail on the ground level, more interaction between the field, the street level, and the ocean side, the east side of the building. >> Um, you know, I I just think that we're

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leaving a lot on the table and I think that people are trying to rush this project through um because they don't want to delay it anymore and and leave it as status quo. But I think it's a poor design u to not take the highest

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value of this building which is the east side and put parking spaces behind that those windows. I just think it's insane. Makes no sense to me. Um and I think it's a lost opportunity. I also think

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there's a lost opportunity of not adding more real estate usage onto that massive structure, whether it's for, you know, a community center for for kids or whatever it is to have highest and best use of this building. This is a massive pool

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>> and um and we're building a garage and a pool, two massive pools and a garage and a community center of 7,000 ft on the third floor that to get to is not going to be easy. And there was 5,000 foot retail space on the northeast corner and

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then having the whole entire wall on the retail level blocked by parking. It's insane. It's insane. I think it's a terrible design. Um, and this has nothing to do with the artistic design. Uh, because one has

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nothing to do with the other. What I I think it's beautiful the artistic design that's being done. I just think that we're going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in building the structure and it is uh not the highest and best use for this space and there's not a developer in the city on the

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private side that would ever allow this to happen. >> Mr. Chair, >> 44 of the >> page 44 of the presentation has the eastern facade. >> Can you put it up?

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It would be SM5. It's after the the section the question section. It's one of the slides after at the end >> that one >> you there's a there's one that has a closeup. >> I mean it we're we're putting more attention to the north side of the

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building and the east side of the building for retail. I think it's just crazy. question. >> Sorry, you said it was after the question. >> Yeah, after the section that said questions. It's pretty pretty far into it. >> Okay,

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>> we're close. >> That's it. That's >> so where to swim is is >> I mean look how much attention we have onto the east side which is the most important part of this building on the real estate thought process and that's the one rendering we have of this

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project I mean what happens there what happens on the retail side there what happen I mean that's the current design previous design so the current design is that a sidewalk there what what is the design element of that whole entire prominade of the project and why is it not being

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featured That's actually part of the running loop that is running in front of those um sections that you're cla you're saying should be glazing. Um that's actually part of the running loop.

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>> So this this part wasn't um very few modifications were recommend were being requested at this point. So this part was already approved. So that's why it wasn't highlighted as part of this presentation just because that was already approved in in October. Um,

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that being said, we can pull up the the plans of what was approved um in October. I don't know if we can show them on the screen. >> And then we had lengthy discussions about do we need two pools and one is so big. And >> I I hear it. I And I just think that

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it's overkill to do have this. We're already on the horse, but I think it's overkill to have this whole entire structure for these two massive pools, you know, on this site and not incorporate more the ground level to the community. You

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know what? This building you after so many millions of dollars you're going to be spend on this building just to have pool and a garage. To me, it's insane. Like why are we not you know when when developers come over over to the city and they're in front of us here and in the board in the land use boards you

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know we demand you know what is the connectivity for the people you know how how is that use going to be how is that going to flow and then here we have the whole entire facade of the east side of this building have no interaction with the community facing the water it's a

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wall to cover parking spaces it's insane >> well it was it was a requirement to meet 500 parking spaces. It was the only >> then I would have built another floor, you know. I you know, I don't know. But the answer is not status quo is saying, "Hey, let's just build a wall and put

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the parking spaces because we need more parking spaces. So, let's take the most important side of the building and make it parking spaces and put a wall in front of it. H how do we get here?" Like, I don't understand. Uh let me let me add this and and unfortunately you're correct and

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we're on the horse already and going back and redesigning this unfortunately um may not be a feasible thing to do but all these city projects are designed by community by groups of people and

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everybody including the city parks and recreation the parks and recreation board the North Beach Development Corporation if they're still around I assume if not the residents then there's community meetings and everybody gives input and so at the end of the day it

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isn't totally a design of the architectural firm that's selected um because they have to incorporate all of these elements that are requested but that being said what Mr. Rasion brings up is that our

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>> best feature is the one facing the water and yet we have the field there luckily because if you put it on the Harding side those children may get killed. Um so you have to put it on the east side on the Collins Avenue side and but then

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there's so much lack of visibility um even lack of phys feasibility of the community center and the other facilities next to the field underneath the pool. Then

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what um retail is available is on the northeast corner which hopefully has a proximity to these fields when these fields are in use. Those are the people that would more than likely use that

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retail which would probably end up being some form of a cafe I would think. um >> looking north. >> I mean looking looking north instead of looking at the ocean >> instead of looking well instead of opening up to the field, >> right? Which

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>> the retail most of the glazing on the retail is facing east. >> Yeah. But how many feet in comparison to the site? >> I understand. >> I mean it doesn't. So, I I'm going to steer the conversation because I think the commercial space is something that

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we can continue to speak about because it was it was something we we brought up before and Raelio is talking about adding more glazing which I think is is needed. I also I don't know. I feel like there needs to be an exercise of the corner and the seating and how the

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connection of the commercial to the soccer fields, the connection of the commercial to the seating outside. I I don't know if you're going to be able to sit there and see the water or the band shell. I think that's buffered by by plants, >> which which I like, but I I just think

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it it could be studied more. I also I have this in my notes >> since the I like the plantings on Collins, but how much square footage of the fields did we lose? And and I'm I'm someone who goes to Flamingo and my kids

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play soccer and we are on soccer fields all the time and by this one should drain beautifully if it's built right even though it is low so we can't help that but are there is there a full soccer field? Is there smaller soccer fields? Do they overlap? And am I going to be able to sit and have a coffee and

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watch the kids play soccer without going through a maze of gates and things like that? That's where I'm I'm missing all of that area in in this presentation. And I think we we can >> I'm talking about the same thing, right? I'm I'm talking about that whole entire east pernade a prominade because

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>> it's connectivity to >> imagine cafes there and you're watching your kids play soccer while having a cafe and you know overlooking the field and whether it's elevated or not you know but that type of design element was not thought. I mean, we should have, you know, if this was in Coral Gables, I

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envision tables and chairs and overlooking the field and the ocean and the water and like why, you know, you're you're spending your you know, you're building this mansion and then you're forgetting the most important side of the of the property. In my

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opinion, it just it how do you put parking spaces on the east facade of this building looking under towards the ocean? Just doesn't make any sense to me. Can I take my coffee and go upstairs and sit and and catch the breeze and look and and watch the kids playing soccer.

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So anyways, there was a question about the soccer field size and the square footage within that. >> So the the soccer fields are for smaller I believe we have two one B1's and one larger which is 3 V3. Um the to answer your earlier question, I don't have

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exactly the square footage that was deducted from the multi-purpose field when we included the uh preserving the trees. Um it was definitely significant, but it was definitely a requirement that we wanted to incorporate. I think everyone was happy that we uh decided to

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keep those trees. Um, I think it's going to add a lot of shade to the to the multi-purpose fields and I think they're just really beautiful and should be preserved. >> Do you think it would help if we like I'm just looking at the east side and it

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it's it's all fenced on the sidewalk on Collins. Like I'm wondering if we could invite breaks in the fence and on the park that's on the bay side there's a a handful of sidewalks and you know maybe we continue with the line from the sidewalk there so you have a couple

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breaks in the soccer field or kind of leading you to the soccer field. I don't know if there's a security issue with doing that if you had to have a fence. >> We we have we we're um in meeting with the police department. Obviously they want everything fenced. >> Okay. >> Right. Everything locked down after hours. you don't they don't want access

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anywhere. So, we're pushing back a little bit trying to >> keep keep it open, keep it accessible. Uh right now, the main southeast plaza uh leads you up and into where you have the main stairs, the main monumental stairs, and you also have the running

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loop as well. And that running loop really leads you across the east where the multi-purpose fields are and up and then turns. But then it also opens up into what is the plaza, the retail plaza which actually moves under that other

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monumental stair. So the idea is that one we built we designed the benches into the sawtooth walls uh outside of the um the parking garage so that people could sit and watch the soccer. That's

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part of that concept. Um we we do have a requirement for a running loop and there's minimum limits requirement. So that's part of the path to take. >> The the running loop is if you're looking at the east where on Collins

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Avenue is the loop outside of the hedges that are being preserved and the >> that that sidewalk I I don't know. Oh, it's not sharing or is it inside in the fields? >> Yeah, it's up against the building. >> Against the building. It doesn't. It's actually up against the building, so

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it's covered. >> I see. So, I think what Laura brings up was discussed at the last meeting in May, I think, of 25 that we wanted a break. We had suggested, I believe, a break in the landscaping so that there

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is some visibility. I understand the need for a gate. If there's a ball on that field, it can't go on to Collins Avenue or a child. >> But that doesn't mean you have to have all the landscaping that's there that creates a buffer towards the view.

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>> Um, >> so the that running openness, >> the running loop has a um a retaining wall which um it it does slope. So we have to have a retaining wall between the multi-purpose field and the running loop. But there is a break to allow for

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a access into the multi-purpose field. >> I'm talking more on the Collins Avenue side where all those sea grapes the planting. >> Oh, so between the multi-purpose fields and where the existing trees are, there is no break. There is no fence. >> That's what she's she's saying that

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maybe there should be for some activation along that >> some interplay with the I mean because we obviously have community area on the beach. We have I'm sorry and I wasn't at the prior meeting, but we have community, you know, we have the the beach park right there and then we have community

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tennis courts on the other side. So, it's almost like these should work all together as this one swath going east to west of of community amenities. So, I I was just looking at the park that's on the Collins side. you know, they've

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they've got sidewalks that that uh are perpendicular to Collins, and you know, maybe we could I I understand your security concerns, but if we could invite breaks, you know, to kind of connect the sidewalks like

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>> So, I don't know. I'm just trying to think of connect the band shell and park on the east side of Collins >> um to the field at the at this project >> and right now it's disconnected because

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it's covered the fence is fine uh it has to be I understand for the wall and the ch for the balls and the children but all those plantings um is what I think Laura is referring to. Can they be broken up? I understand

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that the the you know the request to conserve some of the sea grapes but at the same time um there h there are other issues also that have to be uh taken into account and

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that's the connectivity of this field to the park across the street and the visibility of the whole thing the openness >> if I could if I could pipe just with just with regards to the visibility the

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um when you're driving north on Collins, you're going to have coconut palms and all the vegetation that's part of the east side of Collins where the band shell is on the west side um between where all those trees are being

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preserved. First of all, those trees are being preserved at the request of the community. So, it's one of those things that we had to navigate. Um we're not planting any major shrub beds under those trees. So what you're going to have is ground cover and lawn. So even

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when you're at the at the height of a person driving a vehicle, you're still going to get sight lines and visibility under the canopy of those trees. The intention there is to raise the canopy. Uh PD likes to have a nice clear window so that they can have good sept

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visibility. So the intention there is that from Collins you will be able to have that level of visibility. It's going to be somewhat interrupted with the staggering of the of the trunks, but you're not going to have uh beds of shrubs that are going to impact.

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>> We're looking at a >> 04 and it doesn't show what you're explaining. >> It shows something different to what exists there now. Because as we go north on Collins Avenue, yes, there's some sea grapes, but you clearly see the parking

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lot that's there >> from Collins Avenue as you're driving north. The way that A4 reflects the landscaping on that Collins Avenue >> east side of this facility, you have no view.

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no view because it is all green from from um ground level to some height and it isn't just ground cover. If you go to A4, you'll >> are you in this presentation or

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>> Yeah, it's um I'm sorry. It's >> because if if it's the previous presentation, we did have shrubs that were >> this the one sent to us for this meeting. >> It's the the drawing number is A040. Um, it's number 67 on your slides, but I

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don't know. >> It's back at the end of the present. >> Yeah, it's towards the end. >> I I think what you guys are also talking about is activating the understand, >> but activating the interior. I I'm I don't I'm still caught up on where does

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where do my kids play a soccer game in these small fields? Is it a requirement by the city to have a a full size or is it up to this discretion? And this could be me only because I have kids that play a lot of soccer. But

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>> if this can't be used for wreck sports, >> sorry, is this >> then I'm starting to >> be more curious because to your point, this is this is the community outdoor place that people can use. So it needs to be the most flexible, the most

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usable, and have have a nice connection to the commercial space. So making niches underneath the trees closer to the sidewalk to activate along Collins >> if is that that's what I think you're saying because that's what I'm hearing would be nice to sit under the shade so

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I'm on that side if I'm able to watch us a game. >> But I do bring up the question am I watching a game or am I just is this one v one where three guys or four guys are playing against each other that they that they just got there first. Is this

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used for like city of Miami Beach uh football club or something like that where there's actually rec sports going on? >> I mean soccer is desperately looking for places to be able to house that, right? Because they don't have any spaces and

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and >> so well in the North Beach area there's one by Normandy Park where there's also a pool. Um, and there's other smaller ones in some of the smaller parts I believe within the North Beach area. I don't think there's any in Flamingo or

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there's some small ones. >> The Flamingo has has the one where where we go. >> The the issue that he brings up is that this facility with these two big pools um where we already have a big pool in

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Normandy, we have a big pool at the Scott Rakeu Center. We have a big pool by Flamingo and now we're gonna have two pools here. So, who's utilizing these pools? Is it our high school for their swim matches? Um,

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>> I believe that's part of the intent. That's part of the goal for it. >> We're building it for the public school system. >> Um, one one thing I just I wanted to note does it doesn't address your concern on on that frontage being activated along Collins, the where there's parking. Um, there was a

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variance approved that. So that is a code requirement that all frontages be activated because it takes the requirements of the town center core which calls for all frontages to have active space. Um given the the constraints that were required of this project to have a certain amount of

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parking, a certain amount of of library space, a certain amount, you know, the programming was pretty much set and handed to the consultants that they had to comply with. >> I know variance was granted. what Miss Faboli had said earlier regarding, you know, what we demand of others, we're

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not demanding of ourselves, you know, and there's no reason why we couldn't upgraded our own variance to go up one more floor to add another floor of parking and activate the whole entire retail, you know, but we didn't. And now you have the most important piece of

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real estate of that property, which faces east, and you're lining it with parking spaces. >> Just doesn't make sense. So I I don't disagree, but a variance was granted by the board at the last meeting to allow for that to happen

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given the site constraints. So um you know if that variance were not granted they they would have been required to have uh a depth of about 25 ft of active space fronting Collins Avenue. Um but there were those site constraints that were imposed. Um, I

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think the city given given its location next to an RM1 neighborhood to the north, which is a fairly low-scale historic district, um, I think there were concerns about having too much height. This was seen sort of as a transition between the high-rise area on 72nd Street and the low-rise area on

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73rd Street. Um, so I I think they didn't want to go too high. Um, I'm not sure what that would have meant for for budgeting purposes. Um, but that's I know it doesn't address your concern. I know it doesn't address your concern, but that was the the decision that was made at the time.

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>> I have a a separate question and and it's a CIP question. The budget for this project, does it in include the equipment for this library, uh 1,700 foot or 7,500 foot library? Does it

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include the budget for the equipment in the library, the shelving, the books, the computers? Well, we have to double check, but as part of the agreement that we have with the uh with the county, yes, I believe that they are to pay for it as they did for the regional library. >> We we include like the furniture, the

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mill work, but they bring in the computers, the printers and stuff like that, their >> and furniture and their own furniture. >> Yeah. So, as part of the library system that this city is a part of and the taxes that go towards the Miami date county library system, they are supposed

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to, they meaning Miami date county library system is supposed to furnish the entirety of the inside of that library. That means furniture, shelving, computers, and books as they did in the regional library on 22nd in

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Collins. I I'll have to go back and double check the agreement, but there there is a portion >> over. Thank you. I I would appreciate. >> Now that we're on the library, >> we're going from 7 we're going to have a library of 7,500 ft². Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. Currently, the Northshore Library

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is 15,000 roughly. So, we're going to reduce almost 50%. When we move over, I don't know about you guys, but libraries for me were a safe place. and that's a safe place for many

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children there. So, we're talking about commercial space and we're talking about this, but we're not talking about equaling the space of a library that is really there for the community's growth

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and safety. So, I think there's a square footage amounts designated by the county for regional libraries and um smaller libraries of this sort. Um is he correct? Do we have 15,000 square feet

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and we're going down to 7? >> I am right. Yes, I am right. What? >> So the square footage that was that was uh required for this program was part of the uh design criteria package and if I if I remember correctly was 7,500 square feet which was which had been discussed with the uh with the county and just so

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you know we've been coordinating with with the library u for the last couple years. >> That's really a disservice to to the to the community. I feel I'm sorry to interrupt. It's a disservice to the community. You're taking a property that's extremely profitable and very they're going to eliminate that one

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probably get sold built there something and then we're going to have a library half the size of what we used to >> that property belongs to Miami Beach now >> right Miami Beach will sell it. Yes. >> I mean I've been to that library several times. It's not the safest library but it's I mean

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>> listen but it is something that the neighborhood needs. I mean, if you go there, it's children go, go, you know, it's not the safest when when you have >> homeless around there, but they're cleaning it up. If if if we're building

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this size of a of a of a community center, then give something back to the children as well who who are not sports related. Yeah, I I was never a sports enthusiast as a child, but I was into

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reading uh being safe in a community space that I I I could use as a a as a fortress for me. Thank God for Westchester Regional Library. And I don't think we're doing a service to our future generations by reducing

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the size of a library while we're talking about commercial space that could be used for a library in the future. Roelio, at this point I think every board member has expressed some amount of concern over a variety of issues, whether it's

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the interaction of um and the openness on Collins Avenue, the retail space, the library, the parking, and its location. At this point, as Mr. Aion said, we're we're on

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the horse already. So what options do we have as a board in order to move this forward? Is it just simply saying okay yes we agree with what you're presenting today and then sending a strong message

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in writing to the commission on beha planning sending something to the commission on behalf of the design review board as to the concerns that we have with all the facets that were discussed here today. >> What can we do? So, so the project is approved. They're here for some

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modifications. So, the only thing before the board right now are those modifications. That's what was noticed is that the board is here to consider uh modifications of the architect to some design constraints, some design issues, materials, elements, landscaping, and some architectural features. So, the

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overall massing of the of the project is is approved. Um, so I don't I don't think that's before the board today, the massing of the project and and variances were already approved. Um and so those continue. Um so if there are concerns over the overall programming, what we

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what the sport has done in the past is is a motion is made with several recommendations and that's transmitted to the city commission via letter to commission um where the city commission can can take that information and and do what they will with it. can, you know, uh, recommend changes or or

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>> and unfortunately it's too late for this project and I don't know of any other public park um or government facility that is yet to be done or renovated or reprogrammed.

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Everything is done. So, we have no more space that all of these recommendations can apply to. I was I just I just looked up the Northshore Library. I believe it's I I was told that there was an increase in library space. It looks like it the building according to the property appraiser is 5,200 square ft.

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So I I believe there was I was told there was an increase in in library space by by moving to this area. >> Yeah. >> I I would suggest that the the letter is is we did that before for something. I think that's that's all we can do. But

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if if today the items in front of us which which we haven't approved that came back to us we can still try to adjust and make any any suggestions with I I'm suggesting that the the commercial

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corner on on on the the northeast side is analyzed for how the connection to the fields and the connection to the to the space above how that's used by the people who or coffee

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shop, restaurant, whatever, whatever's in there, how that interaction is. I don't I don't I need a blow up and and some views of what the outdoor seating is, what the connection to the fields are, and maybe a study of the the fields. And I don't I don't know if that's >> So, do you want that coming back at a

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future meeting, next meeting? >> I would I would say so. >> Okay. >> I'm suggesting this. I don't know if anyone is feeling so strong about the fields. I I I told you why it's important to me just because >> No, I think it's an important element.

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There's a lot of young children in that area. >> Even though my kids may be older by the time this is built, um it's it's it's what we can try to affect is these items here. I think we never got to your art, which I think I think everybody likes.

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>> Beautiful. I actually had >> Okay, maybe. Um, but addressing the items, you know, the signage to the garage, as long as that's not up too high that people are going to be able to see that from afar, you know, that was one thing I had about that. But going through the list of the

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items that are before us today, >> um, I I realize we've gone on a long time. I just overall this project feels like a 1970s community center. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of gathering in community spaces where if

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you have all these people doing all these activities, where are they taking their brown bag lunch and sitting down at a table and talking with their friends? The library it our uses, the way we use libraries now are very different. And I want to make sure that however it's designed is actually a current way that children study and with

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all the use of electronics and the way that um for soundproofing because people are uh on computers and phones and whatnot and make sure it's technologically up to speed there. I don't think I don't see a lot of shade a lot of areas where people can um after

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swimming sit down and gather with their friends or and have a snack or whatever. So I think that that is within your control in this design as opposed to a lot of the issues that are very significant that we've raised. Just viewing it as if you're going there to use these facilities, how are you

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enjoying it with your community? Uh I'd love to see more tables, chairs, shade, umbrellas, um spaces that are uh thinking once the activity is over what what you're doing. Um I just did want to

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address your art which is beautiful. I don't I'd like to go back to the um picture of the art and there's visually the green triangles in the art. I don't understand them. >> Yeah. So um there is a depth into the facade.

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Is this working? Okay. Yes. So there is a depth in the facade. We just didn't want to do a completely flat wall and so um there is a depth to it and we wanted to show if you want the idea of a fold not

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that you would fold the facade and the green is a behind geometrically speaking. So just aesthetically, my personal opinion is that the green, you know, we had this beautiful picture of a wave. Yeah. >> And the green kind of stops that flow of

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the water to to me. Okay. >> And it it >> makes the this very beautiful art look a little dated. >> Okay. We can then >> um and I I'm it ruins the the flow of

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the water. partially the I think the we wanted to work with the architects and I think actually I have to say the architects been great in coordinating colors and aesthetic for the entire building which doesn't happen often I have to say in their defense I've been working on many public art project and

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they've been not only welcoming but also trying to coordinate on their end and I think that there is a certain level of unity I think in terms of the color choices and material choices that will make this a pleasant architectural project visually all around the building

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for the facads and so the green itself I think when I entered the project existed in terms of signage the cafe and I felt like the artwork should have at least >> um catched upon certain notes of colors which I think will bring together the

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project generally speaking and also >> the fields on top the um of the roof actually have some of these sins of color so we're really trying to make sure that everything is coordinated and doesn't feel like one thing is attached and dress. >> I get that. Just the green triangles to

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me make it look like origami as opposed to a wave. You know, it's it's position. So, >> no, no, you know, we we can definitely work on that. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Of course. >> Do you have any issues with the rest of the building has the matching color on

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the unders sides of everything? >> I mean, I I think it's I get that you're repeating that color. Um, I don't I think it's a weird color. Personally, I think it's kind of jarring and not that current feeling. And if you if you're

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trying to incorporate even the color of the green of the grass and the trees and the blue of the ocean and the sky, the green is sort of this lime unnatural color. >> Yes. I think we Yeah, I think that that

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was the idea that this would not just be >> Yeah. um nature but you know it finds itself as a moment of um it's not natural yes I understand it's a bit fluorescent I think actually that's the beauty of it and I think will actually work very well with

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illumination in the night and will have a livelihood so it was the intention behind it probably it's a it's also an issue of taste but in in a way we wanted to have something that pop up differently than the rest but but I you know >> I be interested to another option. I'd

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be interested to see another option. I I understand art is totally subjective. I just feel like this this takes this building that already has this kind of uh old feeling of old community center in some of the structural ways and it uh emphasizes it even a little bit more

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with the uh the color choice. But >> you could you could suggest that that color be evaluated and worked with with the artist. Yeah, I'd love to see >> I call that the signature color of this building. So, it it could very well and should be probably evaluated. I don't

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did it was it on all the pictures before? I don't remember >> the on Well, this this part was just like a placeholder in the last in the last iteration. It was just a blue blue mesh as a placeholder and one of the requirements was that they come back with the final art and public places

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project for approval. >> But the unders sides of the you know of the building Yeah. That was there, right? That was there. Those are, you know, the cafe and the >> Yeah, I mean that's going to make every It's going to give it a nice glow of lime green to everything. All of the

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white stuff was >> I I think that color selected that's the one of the city colors. So, in our email signatures, the Miami Beach is always in that. >> Okay. >> That green. >> Um those are generally the city colors. The green and blue. >> I think it's beautiful. By the way, the

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green you have. Do you like do you like the color? >> I do. I love it. >> That's why I kept it. >> And honestly, they've been very open to this kind of discussions. I had to say the architect has been always like, let's let's do something together, which is great. So, I I like I sincerely liked

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it. Yes. >> I guess going back to what's in front of Sorry. No, I was just going to say like overall I feel like everyone's saying in the main mission of this building was to be the living room of the community and I feel like this current state you don't

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really want to stay I wouldn't want to spend all day in this building I guess I would go there from activity and leave where they can find more ways to make it more of a gathering place like you said. >> Yeah. It's too institutional >> institutional there's no want I guess or >> Yes. Yes.

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reach a place you should want to spend hours there >> just sitting and watching. >> Yeah. And and to your point about safety, a place where it's safe to gather with your friends and hang out and there's, you know, there it's you're kind of welcomed in into it. Mhm.

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>> Gino Gino, would there be an opportunity in the corner of 72nd Street and Collins Avenue where you have a large lush landscaping area to incorporate um some benches or or other gathering space in that corner?

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>> One, the corn, the norththeast corner, >> southeast corner. >> Southeast corner. >> If you go to the It's p it's actually you see it on the cover sheet. Um

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>> hold it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There's a lot of landscape a lot of lot of uh specimen trees there in that corner. But is there opportunities between them to have some sort of a gathering space in that area? The the only the only concern that I

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have is that a gathering space would need to be ADA compliant, which means that we need a poor slabs. And per the urban forestry standards, we're not supposed to get close to any of the critical root areas of those trees. And because those trees are really large, those critical root areas are defined by

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the drip line of the trees. They're all interconnected and it basically sort of nulls the ability to get all that there. Um uh we we could explore some opportunities for different material, maybe put it in place rubber or

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something of that nature. Um but um >> I guess people would grab their coffee at the north corner and then walk all the way down to the bottom corner. Is that is that the thinking? >> Yeah. Or there's going to be across the street in the town center. There's there's a Denny's there. There's there's other restaurants there. There's there's

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um does it doesn't necessarily need to be coffee from this site itself >> or pic a picnic like where where is somebody biking up here they lock the bikes up they brought their lunch whatever they picnic like

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>> I just I think the whole field >> there's actually bike parking at all of the plazas. >> So then I I get off my bike where am I sitting and where am I going to be able to sit on some grass and lay out and just relax. I think that's the the main theme that a lot of us are talking

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about. Like >> maybe maybe you could sit in a parking space and look out the window. >> So, um, so on the on the bottom on the bottom right, you'll see those those trees that have the triangle in them. Those are trees that are being relocated to those locations,

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>> right? >> Um, we could probably see if maybe we can shift them over. There's some utilities there that are part of the wells that are also sort of limiting where we can put trees. There's a lot of stuff going into this site. Um, so the

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ability to be able to place things, we're running out of space. It's it's it's very challenging. So, if the idea is to be able to create at least a pocket there where people can >> activate, create a little bit of a plaza there, maybe at the southernmost end of

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the of the southernmost field, right? Maybe there's an opportunity to create a seating area there. >> Somebody wants to have a little birthday party and they invite their friends to come. So, a few picnic tables. I don't know. But I I just think it's it's activated with beautiful trees, but not

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activated for humans. And It's the same thing on the the the north corner. I think that that's hardcape, but that should be activated for people sitting there in the south. >> That that's the only like corner pocket that >> Yeah. If you guys I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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None of the areas in the south may be big enough um for congregation of people having a lunch. So, you may have to have small pockets throughout another corner such as the the north northeast corner.

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Sorry. >> No. Um I was going to suggest that for inspiration, I'm sure you guys are familiar with the underline >> and they've done such a beautiful job activating much tighter space, but bringing two sides of community together with both visually and also with really

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usable um functionality. So if should that be um something that you guys take a look at as inspiration of kind of what it's a little bit of what all of us are saying in terms of it it it's not that friendly this project you know. >> Well I mean I I'm I'm the chair for the

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design advisory committee for the underlying so I' I've been involved with that project. Thank you. >> Um and there we created very very small intimate spaces um using a lot of oolad rock. um is that the kind of environment

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and that that's not very conducive to large aggregations of people. If you think about what we did in Bickl backyard um there we have really long dining tables, really large seating areas that are that are that are out of scale with the available space that's

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here. >> So I don't think we can accommodate those levels of improvements here. Um, but we can certainly look to see if there are some opportunities to create some small courtyard space kind of footprints where people can sit and gather if they so, you know, pick up

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some lunch a couple blocks away, bring them here at at the at the green area um, and eat. We can we can see how we can create those levels of activation. >> Yeah, I love the I love the kind of imagery that the chair stated of where is there a birthday party going to

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happen? where you know we're at a little gathering where where where can those moments happen if you just that's on the most basic level. The underline obviously takes it to the next level with uh sound and p um ping pong and basketball and stuff. >> And I don't I don't know that

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uh those kind of passive park uses. I don't know that that was necessarily the design brief that the parks department had transmitted in the DCP. They really looked at this as a playfield. Um, and they really looked at this more as a

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sort of lawn area that they could use not even for organized sports, but more for pickup sports as an opportunity to alleviate some of the demand. So that's why you're not seeing a full soccer field there. It really is more of a pickup sports kind of um opportunistic

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uh condition. you're talking more of a typology that's more like a like a passive park uh condition which I would argue having designed many parks for municipalities that if you are going to have a birthday party or something at a minimum you should have a pavilion there so that somebody can have shade in the

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event of inclement weather. So now we are adding programming to the to the to the design brief and then you know I don't know I'm not sure I'm I'm unfamiliar with with the with the breadth of the purview of the board but

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I don't know how much of this then requires us to revisit the DCP to address additions of programming or changes in in in square footage of programming that had already been decided back um >> maybe they're not as permanent you know

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you're take advantage of the shade of the canopies in order to activate these these pockets. And I get what you're saying and I'm I'm not familiar with what the what what was written. And I don't know if the community was asking for >> any of these things, right? I know that

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the the pool was big. I I I still think the second pool up there is got is where the space is where where someone could sit up and have a view. And I don't know I that second pool's still pretty big. I know that's not not your purview, but I

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want to take if I'm taking that coffee, I'm walking up those stairs. I'm going over to that that side there and and sitting up there with a view and looking over the bandell to the water like >> and and maybe as a suggestion, I know because we're tight on open space, but

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I'm trying to like see where we have a lot we have a lot of stairs. I'm wondering I feel like there's been s it's probably an expensive suggestion but I feel like there's a lot of successful projects where the stairs are not just stairs there's there's relief

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landings where you can have I'm not saying a birthday a handful of people to sit and have their lunch you know maybe we could take advantage of having a larger landing maybe a nook in the landing >> and then maybe that also would create shade for the areas below it to I I

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don't know if there's room in the budget but there's a there's a number of stairs throughout here where I think we could at least explore if that's available. >> So all all of the three monumental stairs actually do have bigger landings and for that exact purpose. It's the

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idea was that they're located at plazas where someone could grab a coffee and go sit and just relax and do some people watching. Um but that that was the intent with those monumental stairs. Those monumental stairs are required. They're egress. there. It's for the

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capacity to meet the capacity of egress for the pool deck. Um, and they are maxed. Um, we are also limited in the footprint to the plazas that we we love plazas. We would design massive plazas if we had the room. Obviously, this

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project has a lot of components. So, we had to do what we can in order to fit fit the plazas and make them as nice as possible. So, but that was the intent with those stairs. It's a good point that so all three stairs are required.

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>> Yes, >> that that was a comment we had early on when we were when we were discussing that we wanted that to open up and be more of an open space and and that was that was definitely >> needed for occupancy >> and and we were talking about programming. I think maybe the parks and

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recreation department and community are saying we have a lot of open space in Northshore open space park which is only like four blocks maybe north of this project. Um so they're looking more at this site as a site for pickup sports

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and programmed sports uh than the open space that open space park is which goes for several blocks. Yeah, there's there's been a lot of new parks added to this area. We have the Alto Delmare Park now. Um the Ocean Terrace, the road itself has been turned into a beautiful

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uh park itself. And then across the street in the Banshaw, the south half of that lot is also a public open plaza park. >> Um so what would you guys

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like to do? We have we have railings. We have eyebrows. We have art. Um, do we want to go through some of these items? >> Yeah. I mean, I the only thing that we are ch are charged to do today is look

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at what the request is. If we in addition to that can have planning summarize a memo um to go out from the DRB as to what our concerns are with permeability with uh open space

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with programming sports with um all the issues that we discussed the views the openness um to other facilities. So, >> oh, and on the permeability, I meant to say this earlier. I mean, another suggestion, I don't know, have has was there consideration for doing like bio

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swailes or anything? I think that that could help a little bit with a little bit of drainage and then also with the visibility that we were concerned about. >> So, the the the pvious areas that we have along the perimeter, they are um they are swailed to be able to collect as much water as possible. Um, one of

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the issues, you know, there is a misnomer that if it's all green, the water is just going to uh flush down. The reality is that because you have soil and sand compacted, some water would percolate, but in large rain events, you're still going to have that horizontal um run of the water, and

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that's why you need those additional drains. So, so the civil engineer does have catch basins and yard drains throughout the project to be able to pick up some of those areas. Um because of the amount of compaction that's there, you're really not going to get the amount of groundwater recharge that

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you would want to get out of a bio soil. There are there's a lot of very fine engineering that needs to happen with regards to excavating really deep, bringing in um large rocks, wrapping them with the geoexile fabric. And given the tight spaces that then could

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potentially undermine the stabilization of the walkways and the sidewalks um because they happen on both sides. If we had a walkway with a large landscape area where we could move the bio sway a little bit further away from the sidewalk, I'd feel more comfortable

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saying that that's something that we could intensely um do. But given the the the condition that you have to have compaction under the sidewalks in a very tight space, the the ability to really carve down and create the bioil to work

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as a true bioil, it's not going to be it's it's not going to be effective. Okay. >> Correct. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, the items before us, Roelio, are for approval. the the architectural changes,

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>> the architectural changes on the art with the artwork. >> Yeah. So, you have architectural features. So, the the railings, the the um parapit guard rails are changing. Um the uh the V-shaped columns along uh

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72nd Street. um some additional um uh >> so it's the guard rails, it's the triangles, >> the AC canopy, >> AC screening, um adding some uh reveals along 72nd Street to enhance that

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facade. Um additional windows on the north walls, though staff does recommend making them even larger than what's being proposed. Um some changes to the site plan. Um so the the layout of the path the path was always there but because of the the the topography

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they've they've made some changes to the site to the site plan there. Um maintaining the um even though it was a requirement but they're they're now incorporating it maintaining the the uh sea graves along Collins Avenue the art and public places screening. Um so those

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are those are the changes that they've requested and the ability to incorporate the the old glory monuments if the city commission approves. I don't know if it's the long discussion we've had on other issues, but I don't recall seeing any railings. I recall the triangles, >> but where in this memoir all these I see

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seven items covered under the project? >> They're in the they're listed under the analysis. They're in paragraph form. >> So, they're all they're all listed there. >> Um, >> under which area? If you go to pa they start at page seven and if you go the

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first three paragraphs are are basically a just a summary of what was approved. If you go to the third paragraph that's where we start describing all these changes. So, do we have to list each and every um item that is being requested or

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>> No. No. Only if you want to change something from what's listed, but otherwise you can just approve. You can um from from what I'm hearing, I I didn't see I didn't hear too many issues with what the changes they were suggesting. Um, so if perhaps it's okay

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to approve those changes that they're suggesting, but then make some additional, you can make a recommendation that they work with staff to activate the open spaces as much as possible with the inclusion of picnic tables, benches, chairs, and other other

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um other amenities to the extent feasible. Um, I think that would be that would probably be a positive change. I actually really like that the idea of using that southern portion that port when when the plans came last time around they were proposing removing most

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of those trees and the soccer fields were much bigger. So in the site plan we would have we've saw last year that area was occupied by soccer fields. Now because of the trees being maintained the soccer fields are a little smaller and that results in a lot more open space on that southeast corner and I

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think it that's a good opportunity to to see how that can be activated because it's a much larger area than we previously saw. spaces. >> Mhm. >> Can we add like to analyze the outdoor seating uh in

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front of the commercial space? I know we have the steps and and how that interacts with with the fields just so that there is a >> there's continuous all along >> the uh the east side there. >> What was that one? I'm sorry. um >> activate

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>> the retail. >> Yeah. Looking at the the activation of the retail seating. >> Oh. To the Yeah. >> on the northeast and its connection to the fields and connection to the street and sidewalk and >> um

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making sure that there's adequate outdoor seating there for >> So, let me take a stab at this and uh obviously you all can add in to the additions. I I think before I I make the motion, I think do you want this what

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what I asked is do you want them working with staff and all these things or do you want them coming back to the board at a future time? I think they should come back to the board. Reason being it's this board and

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then they also have the demands of everything else and everyone else outside and um they may not be able unless they come back to this board to actually do some of the additional things that we're asking them to look

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into. >> Would you make it easier for them and to put the onus on us? Would you be okay with bifurcating approving the changes they're requesting to the architecture so they can proceed with their with their permitting? Yeah. >> Um and then these other site plan

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related issues that those come back. I think the site plan related issues. Yeah. >> The architectural issues I think were were okay. >> Okay. So, I make a motion that we approve the request for the um

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DRB 1161, 29972nd Street, that we additionally request that they return back to the design review board and to show improvements or

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changes to the following items. the activation of the open space on the northeast corner um to its east corridor and open space park area.

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Um number two, that the uh northeast connectivity of of the field uh be improved to the east corridor and Collins Avenue. Um the east corridor being Collins Avenue and the uh park

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across the street and Banshill. Right now it appears totally blocked with landscaping from ground to um height um above a person's height. Um that we

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look at the um and and look at the openings within that landscaping. um even though we have a fence, the opening to the of the landscaping to the um Collins corridor in East View. Third, that we look at the possibility of

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creating um community um uh areas um to congregate um within the northeast and the southeast corridors, corners um for

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seating. And um did we did I miss any of them? I know I'm missing something. >> Huh? >> Just general gathering space. >> Yeah, for general gathering space on the northeast and southeast. >> So, um this should be taken as two

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separate votes. The first vote would be to or the first motion would be to approve the architectural modifications and then the second vote would be to continue the site plan modifications with those conditions. >> Okay. Do do um

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to the to the architect, do you think you could be would be ready to come back to the board? So, you would be able to proceed with permitting of the building itself if this motion passes, but there are some site plan issues that they would like addressed. Do you think um you could address those issues next

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month or two months or um >> um talking to my landscape architect >> because if we do uh if we if we continue to a date certain um it would be much easier otherwise we'd have to renotice it at a future date um whenever you're

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ready to come. >> I mean I think I think procedurally we would have to come up with the design. There are a lot of stakeholders that need to review it. So CIP would have to coordinate meetings with parks and wreck because at the end of the day they are the owner of the project and the

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operator. So I don't think a month is enough time. >> I think two months at a at a minimum. >> At a minimum. >> So the June meeting would be what is the June >> June 11th? >> June 11th. >> And if you need more time, we can continue it at that point.

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>> Yeah. I think it's okay, but I I have to double check. >> Okay. Well, we can say June 11th for now. And if you need more, just let us know and they can the board can continue to >> and if they want to come sooner, they can do that as well. So it's up to you whenever you feel you're ready. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. Um, so I have I have um approve the requested changes and then request then we'll add a condition to so we'll add a condition to the draft order that the that the um that the to the to the

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approved order that the applicant will return to the DRB at a future date and we'll schedule it we'll continue it for June 11th and that's for the activation of the open space on the northeast corner. uh that northeast connect northeast connectivity and visibility be impro east eastward uh connectivity and

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visibility be improved. And then three um look at the possibility of creating community uh areas in the northeast and southeast corners including seating and other gathering uh um spaces.

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>> Can we see some color options >> for the art? Would you would you um are there any issues with looking at alternative colors? >> I I don't believe so. I think we can certainly >> So I just want to No, I think I

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understand. I also want to say I wrote four books on colors in architecture. I'm an educator. I teach at Harvard. Exactly this topic. And I can see we have 15 people here and one will like a different color and I'll change the color and somebody will is a very subjective matter. I'm happy to do more.

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Um I think though this if there is always going to be a subjective component to that. I think the green of the city is phenomenal actually. I think it's I can change it to another color that might please somebody else and my display somebody else. But um it's not

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about my amount of work is I have a lot of experience in colors uh both in artwork in architecture. I wrote extensively I teach classes on it. I just want to put uh forward that I don't have small expertise high expertise on this and I think there's a

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high subjectivity that will always be in play that that's all >> of course as as is the nature of art. >> Yes. >> Um but I just think that there's there's >> your microphone. I just have a feeling with this color and the color scheme around the building that it's it's not

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as welcoming as as a color could be and we could respond to and it may just be a shade uh level of it, but it would be nice to see it if it was just something that you were able to and then you yeah to explore and then you may be right. We

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may say uh no no the original color is great. Just for some reason I find it jarring for a place that's supposed to be uh warm and welcome. >> It's light. It's uh sunshine is Miami is the color of the city. It's quite young actually. I feel like this is for

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families. So it wants to give a pop to it rather than being natural. I mean like look here. This is of course it's tenuous but I don't think it even um it's the background. We wanted to have a more presence but again I definitely can't do the renderings. It's not

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initial renderings to be honest with you. I I just want to say that the concern you have is really is really subjective and um I think we already have gone through quite a bit of those studies before arriving here. Like it's it's eight months process of more renderings, more colors, more test

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prints and I I do love it. So that's where I come from. But it's not coming from a point of not wanting to uh do more work. Actually, we've done tons of work that doesn't show. I do think that that's the right choice.

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>> Are you I think maybe the way I'm um perceiving what you're saying is that um besides the shades of the color, whatever you want it to be an a piece of artwork that is different than the building. The building is the

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building. The colors of the building are one thing and this is a separate thing while attached to the side of the building. it is a piece of artwork and not necessarily have to have the same color scheme as the rest of the building.

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>> Yeah, I think there's just a a tweak with that. There's something off visually uh to me and I would love to see if there was, you know, we could manipulate a little bit and see if um I'm dead wrong. So you you could make a

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a motion to see a color study of the building, the art and the building. The colors are I think they're connected. >> Yeah. >> And we've only seen the one version of it. And so do you want to see

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just a subtle like a subtle sort of um series where we could see different colors? >> Yeah. just nothing I just to see an an option or two where we >> and maybe it's showing what you've previously did. Um and I know the color

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subjective and I don't disagree with you. So if if it's something strong I think this is our our only our only chance to >> this is a big big building. I know the building color isn't in our purview because that was before, but since since it's connected to the art, I think that

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we can say something about it and and bring it up and it's art that can be >> manipulated in the renderings and >> yeah, >> I don't know where that falls in the in the >> Do you need to take a motion on that >> or if you want to incorporate it into the same >> incorporate into the same just be the

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fourth condition >> on the second motion. We need a vote on the second motion. >> We going to add that to the to the >> motions. So >> I'll second the second motion.

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>> Okay. So the first motion that was made was approving changes. >> Mhm. >> That motion was made by Miss Paoli. Do we have a second on that motion? >> Second. Second by Mr. Lester.

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All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Nay. >> Okay, we have uh so the motion passes uh 6 to one. And then we have the second regarding a second motion uh with the

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changes. Again, I think that motion is coming from Mr. Dawi. Do we have a second on that one? I think >> including the art. including the art uh study, the color of the art uh in particular the green uh in in particular the green color.

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Okay. And then the second uh I heard Mr. Pies. Okay. All those in favor? >> I Any opposed? Okay. So, that would be coming back. It's scheduled to come back on June 11th. Um, and then if you need

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more time, um, we can do that. But, so the the changes to the building are approved. Um, this would be just tweaks to the site plan and to looking at the colors of the art. >> I I just got to say that I feel like if we're we're passing a fading child into

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the next grade. Um, I I just it's not a matter of you guys right now. It's just I just feel that the whole entire design of that first floor is not the highest best in use of the space and the location and and I just can't imagine that a private sector

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you know company would ever do this and you know it's being done by the public sector side and I just think that it's just mediocre. We're building this monstrosity building to have this pool and we're not taking advantage of all the real estate around it. It is what it is. You know, I've been talking about

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this for probably for a year, not being on a board, but to other people, and it's just u I think it's just a shame. That's it. >> Do we want to issue a letter as as this board? >> I mean, I would do anything I could

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possibly do to say, you know, people don't want to delay this process, but it's going to be there for decades. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? And why are you why would you do that? I mean, you know, and I understand I'm saying, "Oh, well, we have this limitation with parking.

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Then take the building one floor higher and add more parking, but create a real town area there that you could watch your kid play soccer there and have have a puravida downstairs on the ground level and have a prominade there and or you know, enjoy that space." You know, I

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would envision that if I had a magic wand that would have kind of like a JC JCC element into there, like it's a, you know, an OIC Miami where kids could enjoy that all the time there as well as doing the swimming, as well as going to the library as well as being a real

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community space. It feels to me it's a pool in a garage in a field and nothing to glue it together and make it like somewhere I want to go and hang out there and spend my time there while my kids are there while you know and I feel that that's just lacking in the project

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overall and it's like let's just get this done it's on we're on the horse just keep on passing it through and moving it forward and and it's going to be there for you know 50 years. >> So would you like to change your vote? It it's not a I would like to change the

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whole entire project >> project. >> It's not about that vote. That's why I said that I'm passing a failing a failing child because you know my vote is not going to change the project. >> And the and the problem is that we are not charged with programming,

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>> right? >> Um we're not charged with um um all of the elements that were discussed until it comes to us. And at that point to some extent it's fad complete >> which is why I'm saying I feel like I'm passing a a fing.

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>> The bigger problem is the programming and why was programming done in such a manner that you have to have a garage for so many spaces that you have to have not a passive park element to this but more of a uh structured and pickup field

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and two pools. um that may not be needed if if it was just for the community, but it's as Roelio mentioned, it's not just for the community, it's also for the public school system. Um so, and you

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know, all of that programming that's been going on for probably five, six years, um we are not a part of it. So all that comes to us as a design review board unfortunately um is the design the outside and even

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then I agree uh there's some limitations when you have to have all this programming that's requested but the architect's um challenge is to meet those demands for programming while taking into

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account the surrounding communities such as the ocean to the least >> and to echo that all we can do is try to enhance what we see and add to it or you know and I think >> which is my point

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>> right which is my point I feel like I'm just passing on okay next step go ahead continue with this it's just it just feels bad >> did uh let me ask you Roelio did this project go to the planning board >> um no >> do you know

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>> no it's not it's not required to go planning board? >> No. >> Why would it not go to the planning board? >> The GU district doesn't have a requirement that the GU district only requires that public private partnership buildings go to the planning board. Okay.

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>> So, if this was uh the city was doing a a deal with some private developer to do this >> and maybe provide some public uses, then it would have to go to planning board. But maybe that's another thing that you know I mentioned the requirement of the city to be the leader and the example

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when it comes to permeable area and not giving themselves less of a requirement than it gives its residents when they're building something. But also the idea that maybe a project like this even though it's not a public private project

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that it go to the planning board. That being said, I got to tell you, it has so much input from the community um and from the parks and recreation department and from the parks and recreation board and then the community

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in North Beach that I don't know that the plan I I don't know. >> Um >> just doesn't feel good is all I'm saying. Yeah, it >> not something I'm proud of. I I don't mean to beat the dead horse

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and I don't know if a letter even actually does anything, but it at least holds on record that we as a board >> Roelio, can you draft something for us to review at the next meeting? >> Sure. I mean, um, >> it's not going to change this. Do you

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have any specific recommendations you'd like me to incorporate or >> the ones we discussed you know where >> activate the the you know permeability is the same whether it's a public project or a private project um >> facads and the most prominent

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>> area of of the project is being used as parking spaces covered with a window to look at the fields I mean it's just absurd >> the um >> if they discuss that >> the issue >> be noticed >> yeah is there a motion to uh direct

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staff to prepare a draft letter to commission. >> I make a motion to direct staff to prepare a letter to commission. We have a second for that >> and that would be for the um so basically have like a discussion item at the following at the following um

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>> no no it's a letter to commission >> that would be sent to the commission parks and recreation director city manager everybody else that gets a planning director you know where we say hey you shouldn't task the city with

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less requirements than the public >> so permeability and green space should be the same requirement or or at least similar going forward. One, a project like this, which is a big project, even though it's not a public private

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venture, it should go to the planning board for input and maybe it could be a joint committee of planning board and parks and recreation board. I I I don't know. That's up to them. >> Is the direction to bring back a draft for the the meeting at

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>> the next meeting? Yes. Okay. I think that's our way to be to be heard about this future. >> Yeah. >> Should that be done as a >> letter to but I'm just just um procedurally because you're going to be

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discussing an item that's not before the board. Um, should that be done as a continuation of this item? >> Should they continue an item regarding this to discuss at the following meeting?

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>> Yeah, I think that would be appropriate. I'm just saying it because otherwise you're going to be you're you're not as a new item because then you're going to be discussing >> um a project that is before you but in a you're going to be discussing it in a moment that's not properly before you because it won't be unnoticed. >> Um

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>> and is it a public discussion the letter that we're writing? >> Um if you continue it well you already had a public hearing so >> no >> but you could open it up >> if anybody wants to try. >> No no I'm just saying you draft a letter for us. Is that public perview on what

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that letter says? >> Yes. >> Yes. Yeah. That that's an official action of award and you wouldn't be taking quasi judicial action on on the land use application in the letter. But I think the fact that it's connected with the application is

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>> okay. So then that would be uh continue discussion on recommendations uh to the May I totally >> May 14th meeting. >> I totally will continue. >> He's going to bring a sample.

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>> Roelia, you're going to bring a draft of the letter. Yes. Incor put it in the agenda. >> Y >> for us to say yes, this is exactly what we're saying >> or amend it or >> add this, take this out, you know. >> Okay. So, >> I just wanted to make sure because it is usually when you make recommendations,

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they're more general and they they apply citywide. this is a recommendation to a specific project. So, um, so I just want to procedurally make sure that it's it's on record that you're going to continue discussing this item at the following meeting. >> Um, so that it's appropriately before

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the board. So, that's why I'm that's why I'm I want it to be >> during continuences. >> Yes. >> Under this address. Okay. That's what I was trying to follow. >> Okay. and maybe you can come back in May and

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let us know as to the participation the financial participation of Miami date county um just let to make sure it's not in your pro in your budget. Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. Um Oh, we need a motion and a second for that. So, I have a motion

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by Miss Bagavali. I think Mr. Aion, you said you would second that. >> Okay. Uh, all those in favor? >> Any opposed? Okay, motion passes. >> How many projects do you foresee at the next agenda

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>> so far? >> Good question. Give us more than five minutes. May we have >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Uh, three projects. >> Three.

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>> And now and the discussion on this one. so far >> private projects. >> Um, two of them are private. One of them is um is a public private partnership. Um, it's the paddle courts that was approved

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by the city commission >> the >> on the 17th street garage. >> Ah, >> thank you. >> Okay. Um discussion items and progress reports. >> We have no discussion items or progress reports.

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>> Uh the next meeting is May 14th. Um >> that is that is it. Meeting adjourned. >> Thank you. >> Thank you everybody.