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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: 6we0Ql9yl_w):
- 00:54:29: Call to Order, Invocation, and Pledge of Allegiance
- 00:55:29: Roll Call and Opening of Public Comments
- 00:56:16: Public Comments (None) and Introduction of Budget Review
- 00:56:32: Proposed Budget Overview for Six Taxing Districts
- 01:00:25: Councilman Sanchez Questions Miami Lake Section One Budget
- 01:03:57: Council Clarifications and Councilman Garcia's Budget Questions
- 01:13:10: Lake Hilda Budget Discussion and Direct, Indirect Costs
- 01:18:45: Councilman Herszburg Clarifications, Historical Rates, and Expense Reduction
- 01:24:12: Lock Lman Guard House, Turnberry Widening, Budgetary Requests
- 01:28:14: Historical Tax Information and Quarterly Workshop Items
- 01:30:41: Budget Director on Historical Rates and Second Workshop
- 01:31:45: Second Budget Workshop Discussion: Timing and Logistics
- 01:35:15: HOA Requests: Detailed Shopping List for First Reading


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on Thursday, April 30th, 2026. I'm going to go ahead and call this uh special taxing district workshop to order. Um let let's uh go ahead and please rise very briefly for what is on the agenda

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for an invocation led by Councilman Garcia. >> Thank you. Bow our heads. Lord, please lead this meeting. Give us the grace to listen well, the courage to speak the truth, and the unity to work together for the good of all. Amen.

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>> Thank you, Councilman Garcia. Uh, and now for the pledge of allegiance led by Councilman Sanchez. >> Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. You may be seated.

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And at this time, um, Mr. Deputy Clerk, you want to just call a role for the record, even though we're not going to be voting or needing a quorum? >> Yes, of course. Council member Hersburg >> here. >> Council member Garcia, present. >> Council member Sanchez >> here.

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>> And Vice Mayor Moretta >> present. And then all other council members are not present. Uh just to be sure, uh de Mr. Deputy Clerk, we do not have any of our colleagues online, right? or on

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>> No, I was told by council member Fernandez he may want to make a few comments via Zoom, but I think he may have changed his mind, but if he does, I'll let you know. >> That is great. Um, and then with that said, we'll go ahead and open public comments uh for anyone here in chambers.

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Anyone want to give public comments? Seeing none, uh, Mr. Deputy Clerk, anyone online who would like to give? >> No public comments online. >> All righty. With that, public comments is closed. and and we move on to

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the very first item which is uh 5A M starting I guess with the proposed budgets for Miami Lake section one don't all run up here at once good evening uh council so uh before you you have the uh first draft of the uh

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budgets for the special taxing districts. Uh Miami Lake section 1, Lock Lman, Royal Oaks East, Royal Oaks section 1, Lake Patricia, and Lake Hilda. Uh they're set uh the assessment rates, the preliminary assessment rates,

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and um I could I'm going to pass it over to Melissa to discuss some of the changes to the assessment rates uh from the previous year. >> Good evening. Um council, >> good evening. >> What to keep in mind um when looking at

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these preliminary budgets is that they are just that preliminary and in May um what will be before you will be the to set the assessment rate on first reading and then second reading will be in June. And the reason that you have that for

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May and June is because in July I am required to submit to the property appraisers office what the assessment rate will be. Whatever is decided before with this council um as far as the assessment rate it can be reduced but it cannot be increased after you have set

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it in June. Um so some things to consider in these preliminary budgets is that everything has pretty much m maintained its status quo with the exception of a couple things. Um the overhead direct and

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indirect costs may have gone up slightly. We did reduce um the number of meetings for mailouts from six to four. Um the postage obviously has increased and some other increases due to inflation. Um last fiscal year this

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council decided to cap the contingency reserve at 5%. And because of that we were able to offer a reduction in assessment rates to basically all the districts. Now coming into this fiscal year because of that and inflation and other minor things we

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have had to increase all of the assessment rates with the ex exception of Royal Oaks section one. Um, so what I will tell you is that in Miami Lakes section 1, the the rate is increasing by $843.

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In Llman, it's increasing by $50.50. Royal Oak section one will be increasing by $110, I'm sorry, will be reduced by $110.50. This is the only district that's being reduced. Royal Oaks East will have an

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increase of $7010 and the lake districts will have an increase for Lake Patricia will have an increase of $32.54 which uh and then in Lake Hilda it has an increase of $62. For the most part, all of these

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increases are still lower than what they were when we took it on from the county in fiscal year uh 2018, I want to say, or 2019. So, that's basically a brief uh synopsis of

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of the six uh special taxing districts. Do you have any questions? >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Butter. I'm going to go first to Councilman Sanchez, he was asking, and then Councilman Garcia. Uh, Councilman Herszburg, are you going to want to make some comments later? >> Yeah, when you're when come back to you, Councilman Sanchez.

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>> Well, first I'd like to ask for us to go um a special tossing district one by one by one. Um, I didn't I didn't do a deep dive. I did a mini dive into the budgets. I I created a spreadsheet with what was already proposed. And I do have questions. So, for example, in Miami

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Lake section one, I'm going to speak about that one specifically for now. What caused a special assessment to increase from 243,000 to 250,000 year-over-year? >> I'm sorry. Oh, you're saying

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>> special assessment. Yeah, it increased from 243,000 to 250,000. What cost? >> So, the increase is due to the $843 that we're proposing to have it increase for this fiscal year. >> Yeah. Yeah. But okay. So we need to in order to make to keep the same level of

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service and to keep the expenses correct the same. Now that leads me to my second question. >> If overall expenses went down from 272,000 to 200 I mean 279,000 to 272,000 why is there an increase?

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>> So as I mentioned earlier last year this council made a decision to reduce the contingency reserve and cap it at 5%. >> Right? So to lower the assessment rate without having to mail out a check from the town to each individual property, the way that

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they get their money back would have been in the reduction to the assessment. So what happens now is now we have kind of like a leveling off where this is really the amount of money that you need to be able to fund your budget. Okay, I kind of understand, but I just

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from like a 30,000 foot level, it just seems like the expenses went down, but then we're assessing more. >> I I just want to make a point. >> Yeah. >> The budget that you have in front of you >> does not include any additions or anything that has been proposed before. So for example,

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>> the Lloman HOA has uh requested to uh proceed with removing the guard house and and building a new guard house. Yes, >> that is not in the in the proposed budget. >> All right. No, I'm just going based off the information that I have displayed in. >> No, no, no. I just want to I just want

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to clarify a couple things for the record so that it's it's there. uh SFM uh security services has requested an increase to their contract of 2.9%. >> I saw it. >> So uh that is not currently in the budget.

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>> Um I know that uh the Royal Oaks HOA has requested to put entry features in front of their um uh the four guard houses. >> That is not included in the budget. If we were to add that, that would increase the assessment,

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>> right? But I'm not speaking to any of that. >> I'm not saying it's Yeah, I'm >> I'm just speaking to what's in front of me right now, not what could be in front of me later. I'll I'll just uh let my colleagues know. I guess I'll I'll be asking the the mayor to to give me permission at some point to talk to SFM

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and and negotiate that that increase. Uh 2.9, you know, it's a little steep. I know it's under that traditional 3%. Um, but uh I don't really see a increase in services. >> I Where's Does the contract require an

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increase? >> Exactly. I I don't think so. I don't think we were trying to get into that today. >> Right. Okay. >> I just I I was just trying to make the you know, unless you guys object, I'm going to ask the mayor to let me let me reach out to them. >> Yeah, you'd be good with that. And then and then uh before you jump in, I just

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wanted to clarify to Councilman Sanchez in like our terms, right? Like like not people who do who deal with these kind of numbers every day uh terms. So you have the blue column uh that's uh 24 25 actuals. >> You have the green column which is the a

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second green column which is the 25 26 amended >> and then No, I know I'm you're aware I'm just kind of breaking it down. And then you have the first yellow column which is the 26 27 preliminary. What they're trying to let you know is there was a a year last year that was an outlier. And

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correct me if I'm wrong on this stuff. Uh that was an outlier because we were essentially reducing it heavily to give them back their money essentially uh because of our change to the the contingency rate the the the cap that we

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put on it. This is a rest kind of coming back to what it was before plus normal increases to inflation and all that. Now, >> I'm going to let Councilman Garcia have some questions still on that as well, but I I I just wanted to kind of put it

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into more layman's terms. Go ahead. >> Thanks. >> Thank you, Vice Mayor. Um, just a quick question and I'm trying I'm trying to see this. So, we're in the red. What? 12,000. So the red that's not in the red. What

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that is is so when you pay your property taxes, if you pay early, you get a discount. So what that that's just taking 5% off of the total amount of the assessment for those people who are delinquent, people who get a discount for payments early,

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>> what uh thank you for that clarification. You're welcome. What's the amount we would have to cut from expenses to maintain their current level of uh of um what they're paying right now all all the districts together? >> Okay.

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>> Yeah. Each specific they're all different, but what will we have to cut from expenses on each different uh district to maintain the same uh you know the same cost to them, the same level of uh taxation from last year?

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So, for example, for Miami Lake section one, you would have to cut about $6,800. >> Okay? >> Which essentially would be reducing the assessment rate or to keep it flat because we are increasing it by $843.

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But the total amount you would have to get rid of about or not get rid of reduce about I would say to be safe like $7,000. >> Okay. So $7,000 if we reduce expenses in Miami Lake section one $7,000 they'll pay what they paid last year. >> Yes. >> Roughly what they paid last year.

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>> Is it just the difference between the amend the 2526 amended and then the preliminary is that is that the number that we're coming up with that 7,000? >> No. What I did is um on the on the preliminary budget column at the very

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top if you notice there's one that says number of units assessment rate per unit. And you see on the budget comments that amount there, the 29803. Do you see what I'm >> Yep. >> We're on the same page. Um, I reduced that amount since I have it in my Excel

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by the 28,960 putting it to the rate that it was last year. So then it'll give me the deficit at the bottom. >> But but with that, that's why I gave an estimate because with that that changes then um some other things like >> your contingencies and all that stuff. >> Yes. Correct. Okay. So I didn't want to

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give a solid number because it's not >> Yeah. If you could just give me a quick >> Yeah. Seven 7,000. It'll be less than that, but to be safe, seven. >> I mean, I don't if we have time here, but maybe the Lal Loman wrote, you know, all of them. All all of them. The average there is is what like Lman. I

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know Lman's probably more, right? >> Yeah. Give me one second and I'll I'll I'll go through each of them for you, sir. So if we put the assessment rate for lock lmen to what it currently is, you would have to reduce it by $9,000 the budget.

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>> Okay. And section one >> and section Royal Oak section one has an increase I mean a reduction. So >> okay, >> they're getting an assessment reduction. >> What are they getting reduced? >> They're getting it reduced by $110. So Royal Oaks East is

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>> Royal Oaks East >> section minus one. Okay, so they're already they're already good. Okay, they're already good. >> Minus 100. Okay. And Royal Oaks East. >> Royal Oaks East. You would need to reduce the budget >> by 30

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is my 35. >> I'm sorry. >> $37,398. >> I have 35,000. >> Okay. But again, these are estimates because I have things that are linked and then I also have some numbers that

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will change very minimally, but >> All right, cool. >> Um, >> Lake Patricia, >> Lake Patricia, >> Wait a second. So I >> I think you have a a typo on on Lake Patricia. It says increase of 32, but it's actually a decrease of 32.

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>> Yes, I just I just noticed that. >> Now for Lake Hilda, on the other hand, it is a $62 increase. It um just pointing that out. On that one, it's correct that that it is an increase. On Lake Patricia, uh the the budget comment

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should reflect that it's a a decrease in the assessment rate. >> Hold on a second. So, let let me jump to Lake Hilda and then I'll go back to Lake Patricia so I can correct that. Um, on Lake Hilda, if we you were to maintain the same rate as last year, which is $3042,

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uh, you would need about$7,000 less less than $7,000 that >> Okay. uh Lake Patricia. They're making >> Now, let me go back to Lake Patricia because there is a >> there is a uh to see what

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Yeah, it's just a comment that's incorrect. Um it's a reduction of $1744. >> Okay. All right. >> So, >> okay. So, um I guess what I would want for the next meeting or this information is you know the actual cost increase per

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household for each of the districts and >> that can you can I'm sorry can you say your question >> that's for this is total amount for all the districts but the per household >> so the amount that's there is >> no I can't I can't see anything that's

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why I'm asking you and I'm sorry about that -7,000 for Lake A is what we would have to drop exp total expenses for for that for that. >> So to have it at the at what's presented before you um as I mentioned in the

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beginning of the meeting the increase to Lake Hilda per household would be $62. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Excellent. Okay. Um, so yeah, I I guess I would ask is what we can do to and and the increases due of course to um what

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we did last year with with with the um contingency and but what what as far as expenses, what's the besides the two to 3% they're asking, right? >> So if you like we can go line item by line item for maybe one district so it gives you an idea of what to look for

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maybe reviewing the other districts. That's one of the reasons why it increased. Uh besides the contingency, what's the average increase in actual cost? >> In actual costs, really the only thing that has increased um operation wise, looking at uh Miami Lake section one,

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operationally we actually reduced the budget. >> Okay. >> Um the contingency reserve is a little bit less than the prior year. The security guard service is the same. Um the only other minor increase is uh

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in the direct and indirect costs. >> All right. Thank you. >> So and and when we sat to to go through this, we were cognizant of the fact that we wanted to maintain the same level of service um trying to reduce expenses as much as possible.

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So, I don't really I don't really foresee there being much space to be able to cut unless you were to reduce the contingency reserve far more than five less than 5%. And I I do not recommend that, but that is up to the will of the council. >> Okay? or reduce the level of service.

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>> or reduce the level of service, >> which last year, just to remind you, last year, part of the reason why we had a savings in the assessment rate was because we cut our level of service for our security guards from level two to level one. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Councilman Garcia. Uh I have two quick uh questions that are gerine to the points that he brought up. Um, first and foremost on on Lake Hilda, and I'm obviously a little biased on this

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one since I live on it. Um, but and it is, you know, a 200%ish increase. Um, so I just want to confirm though, um, the the increase here, the same analysis

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that you did for him on Miami Lake section one, can you do it here in terms of have any expenses gone up? um or is this strictly a contingency uh reserve? >> So, for Lake Hilda, the operating expenses actually did go down because we

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have a new um contract for the water treatment of the lake. So, if you notice, um last year we budgeted 17,000. Going into next fiscal year, we we budgeted less. We budgeted

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14,000. Um overall their budget their operating budget has been reduced. However, the same thing goes as I had mentioned earlier about the contingency reserve how before they had a much higher

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contingency reserve. I want to say there was like a 12% last year. I would have to go and check and give you the exact figure but um it's now reduced to five. So, we gave them back all of the funds. Now,

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now this is a leveling off of that. I have a question that probably is going to show that I don't know anything about budgeting. Um, for the 20 for for for the budget carry forward line item, which I can see is

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probably the main cause or the main culprit here. um in Lake Hilda. Um isn't the 2526 year in projection of 28,000? Wouldn't it make sense that if that's what we're projecting our budget carry

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forward at the end of 2526 that then that that would be the number for the 26 27 preliminary budget? >> Let me let me explain to you. Hopefully I can do a good job. Um, so if you see on your actuals of 2425, you see that at the very bottom it says $28,752.

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Now I don't know when when we are putting the budget together what our actuals will be because we uh have our budget done in September. We don't close our books until December. Our budget is published. So I have to do a projection. So, at that time when the budget was

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adopted, my projection of what the year was going to end was going to be 20,000. The year ended with a $28,000 carryover. If you notice on the column next to it where it says amended budget, you see the 28,000 because now I'm amending

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carrying in the additional $8,000 to make up for that. So, my year-end projection is 10,000. If you look on the column for my preliminary budget, I have the same number, the 10,201. Again, this is a projection because I

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don't know how the year is going to end. I'm not going to have the exact figures. I won't have them till December. >> I hope that that answers your question. >> It did. It did. And I just wanted to know that that that's that there was a formula for it and and not cuz common sense would have said what I said but

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but what you said made sense from a conservative government budgeting standpoint I guess. Um my other question was um and I feel like I really should know the answer to this already and all of us should. Um you mentioned uh direct cost

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indirect cost as it relates to all of these. um my understanding of direct costs and indirect costs especially okay so management and monitoring >> so what is that >> so direct and indirect costs the it's an

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overhead expense that the town charges so for example the indirect cost would be um our procurement office going out to bid to get um quotes for our security card services for the water treatment

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service for the extermination for anything that is needed to for me doing presenting the budget. our legal department. Um, >> but sorry that that's direct. >> That's indirect. >> Indirect. Okay. >> Indirect direct cost is our actual

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liaison, our coordinator who manages the special taxing district. And what that is is it I we have a formula that takes into account the salary of that individual and divides it amongst all of the districts based on the total number

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of units per district. So, it's based on a percentage. Oh, and just to mention also the the indirect cost, our town overhead rate is about 10%. I can't remember off the top of my head right now what it is for the

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coming fiscal year, but in previous years we I want to say it was when Councilman or Vice Mayor Fernandez was um on the day we had a meeting, the council then decided to keep the indirect cost at 4.5%.

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But typically any indirect any overhead rate would be at the other rate that we have which is the 10%. The reason we kept it at 4% was to keep the expenses at a lower rate for the special taxing districts. I just wanted to mention that

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on the record. >> I would like to mention for the record that my wife is watching online and she just said that I made her eyes twitch when I asked that dumb question. Uh but uh >> I'm sure she's at home laughing at you right now. >> She is. Um any questions or or comments?

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Uh Councilman Herszburg. >> Um sure. So, for example, I just want to be clear. A lot of these It's like we did a good job last year. Now we get hurt, right? Because a lot of these increases are because of that. I just looked at I just looked at your tax your

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tax role. You paid in 2024 $157 for Lake Hilda. and now it's $92. So, I mean, it's still lower than it was two years ago. So, I think we're seeing that in in a few of these. No. >> So, as I mentioned earlier, we are still I think with the exception of Miami

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Lakes um section one, every district is still below the amount that they were paying when they came on board from Miami Day County. They were paying a higher rate than when they with Miami Day County than when they came over here under the town. I believe the only one

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is Miami League section one that has had a higher rate from the county. Aside from that, everyone else has been below them >> and that was 2018. So inflation would have increased their rates. >> Yes. So we're talking about quite a quite a few several years. >> Um

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we're section one, right, which is um where I live, so I'm happy. But why uh why was why I remember last year it went up and now this year went down. So why is this the opposite >> in the in the carry forward we did not

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have the right number from the audited financial statements. Now the correct number is reflected that's why there is a an a decrease. >> So last year the >> the number that was there it wasn't the correct uh audited number. >> So there was more money.

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>> Yes. >> Okay. >> So now it's being reflected correctly. >> Okay. Uh but then next year they >> it's possible that this may happen to them next year, >> right? They're gonna have an increase of $120 next year. >> It won't I I don't foresee it being $120, but it may be 50 or 40,

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>> right? But I I mean all I'm saying is that remember, especially in section one where Oaks, there are people that pay more money to the STD than they pay to the town in their taxes. Even my taxes are my my town taxes are not that much

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of a difference. So this is, you know, when they when they look at us for what we're taxing, oh great, we did a great increase or we did a great decrease last year, but then this is this is what happened till we balance it and get, I guess, get a few years in the same way. I was just confused of why that had a

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decrease and everyone else had a little bit of an increase. Um, I mean, I I'll look at the numbers, huh? Oh, yeah, exactly. Uh but I don't we already reduced services last year. I don't see where where the cutting is. I don't know about increasing any cost that's not

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contractually required and we can talk about that after you speak with everybody but um yeah I I don't know what you guys think. JP this is we're at minimum level here and I don't really see anything that can be cut. I mean, so

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JP, myself, and uh Jeremy sat down and we were again, we were cognizant of trying to reduce expenses um and trying to maintain it at the same level of service. So I if we reduce anything, I would say

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it would be the contingency reserve, which I don't necessarily recommend because I think 5% is pretty pretty low. Um, but maybe I don't know in gate arm repairs correct or or cutting out landscape maintenance. I I

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>> we're not doing that. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong though. Um, because you did mention the SFM contract. Um, so this is, as you mentioned at the very beginning, preliminary, we could, depending on how that negotiation and

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ends up, uh, be seeing a slight little increase to these numbers. Not not a lot. That might be 2% whatever 2% of the um of the security services contract is. But but what we're trying to say is this is not a final number. We might see a

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little bit more uh depending on what is negotiated. >> Ultimately it depends on some of the requests that like I said of that have been made from some of the HOAs. If you want to um speak more of that um we can we could go if you wanted

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to us to go get numbers for things of that nature like the uh the lock lman requesting to look into um knocking down the the guard house and building a brand new one. The >> that that's going to be its own special assessment I would assume.

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>> That's a capital improvement. >> Oh yeah, exactly. We have a whole >> but that that would capital that would increase the assessment rate significance an example for the lakes getting lake airators that's increase the the the threshold that they needed to properly

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>> like for the petition and all that stuff remember that I remember that uh was it >> for Lman >> so Lman the last time that we had this conversation you told uh Lman that the as long as the HOA they uh correct

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approves it, they could move forward with it and and we would bring it to your attention for the next meeting. They did reach out to me to >> um make you all aware that they would like to move forward. >> Which option though did they go with >> knocking down the guard house and

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rebuilding a new one without a bathroom? Well, in that case then then I would actually ask that the the preliminary budget that comes back to us >> that has it two options. One without that and then one with either the estimated cost or at least potentially

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the estimated cost of designs, permitting plan, like the initial steps. Maybe not maybe we don't have to budget construction costs yet. Uh we could budget those next year. Um, but right now at least get through a design and permitting stage. >> So, we'll have to spend funding

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immediats. Uh, >> that's what I'm saying. I want I want to see the cost of of design and and permitting in the preliminary budget that comes back. >> Uh, Council Sanchez. >> And then also, did they opt in for the plan where we widen Turnberry?

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>> What they have requested is to move the the guard house back. >> So, to widen it, >> not wide. Well, no, you're not w you're not touching the street. You're just pushing the guard house back to give more space between the guard house itself and um >> and the median >> and the median.

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>> Okay. Because I've heard a lot of complaints that every time, for example, garbage truck wants to come through that they have to remove correct the pole so it fits by. So in this case, they wouldn't have to do that anymore. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Just by moving it back by 5t to give an example. >> Whatever it ends up being. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Aside aside from that, um any other

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comments on on specifically as to the budget? just one one concern. I just would not like to see an increase in for IND any any district an individual increase that's $100 or something like that. I just think we need to mitigate that. I mean I understand it's a lot lower than it was because of of

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everything we did. Maybe I understand a 5 10 20 but you know any >> lockman you No, I'm sorry. Royal Oak section one you said was $100 per plus per household. It went down. Which is the one that's going to go up about

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$100, which I I I just think it's we got to work on that. >> I don't believe there are any that are going up $100. >> 70 was the most. >> Yeah. >> Royal Oak section one. >> No, that's a a decrease. >> A reduction. You're right. >> It's a reduction. >> East Royal Oaks East is a increase of

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$70. >> Okay. $70. Okay. Okay. But >> we discussed that last time. You you said that would because they went down last year a lot. They went down like 70 or $80 last year, something like that, I believe. That's if I remember correctly. I remember looking at that that they got

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they got a reduction. I had an increase. I was like, why? That's not fair. But now, now it's time for my reduction. Then it'll go increased again. I mean, that's >> Yeah. Just for my edification, just to have it visual, I love to see all these changes, what it actually means over a

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three-year period. like uh with all the ups and downs, you're actually below what you were a couple years ago or uh without ups and downs, you're a little bit higher than you were. So, so I can kind of see it on my own and I know it's probably here. I just can't see it right now, but >> Well, I again, as I mentioned earlier,

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the only district is Miami Lake Section 1 that is above what they were when we came when they came over from the county. But not the but when the county >> anything that has come from the county all the other districts has been the town has reduced their assessment rate.

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>> Sure. No, I understand from the actual county but they've been with us for how long now? >> 2018. >> Since 2018. So it's it's been it's been uh eight years, >> right? So >> and we've reduced it in eight years. >> No, I again I'm not arguing. I just want to because these are the questions I'm

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going to get. It's like hey you know what's it? Why is it uh so I can say, "Hey, listen. Actually, you're paying a lot less than you were a couple years ago." >> Well, that that's why I tell you so that when people come to you, you have >> No, but I I know I know I'm just asking that

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>> in a document so I can say, "Ah, you see over the last three years, you're actually paying less or you're actually paying more." I just >> So, what we'll get for you is um a table that shows what the rate has been since >> 2015. >> I don't have 20 since 2018.

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the county. We would have to we would have to get public records from the county. >> But for I can certainly get you what we have since we got them from the county. >> Yeah. So then we could say, "Hey, actually, you know what? You're doing a lot better than you were >> and it works. The system works kind of thing or Yeah. We got to work on

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expenses and stuff like that and we might have to cut here, right here." So I appreciate it. >> 100% sir. >> Any other comments or questions on the budget? Um, I do just want to ask since this is technically our our quarterly workshop, JP, anything that we need to know going on? I do see one of our I

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assume one of our vendors here. Uh, I don't know if there's any reports or anything that needs to be said or are we good to go? >> Uh, since we got a little bit of time here, uh, just uh, we did install the first uh, TV uh, monitor at 79th. It'll be

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>> up 79th A. It'll be up and running uh, next week. >> Cool. And then uh we have the second one that's we've already received uh courtesy of SFM. They they went ahead and provided to us. So uh I would say that's about a month away from being installed as well, but we'll have two up

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and running. We're going to likely put the second one in uh on 162nd in Royal Oaks. >> At what? I'm sorry. >> 162nd guard house. Yeah, 162 guard house. And then um again biased uh the lakes um

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they're everything's good there. >> So fish stocking um it has been a um a difficult year for for Titan Bass uh since the the storm of of last year. So,

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um we are pivoting um and we are going to I'm waiting for to get quotes from our um Solitude uh lake management to give us quotes for um different species of bass. Um we'll then have to decide um

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if they are well fit for um the lakes. Uh but yeah. >> All righty. Um anything else from the council? I see um our budget director with her hand up. >> Um to answer Councilman um Garcia in our

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budget in our adopted budget online on page 55 of 104 of the adopted budget under the special taxing districts, there is a um table that reflects all the adopted rates that each special

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taxing district has had since we took them on. So if you can always uh point our >> Yes. of >> No, no. Of the the actual adopted budget on our website, >> not the PDF, the actual It says page 55

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of 104 at the bottom. >> It's under the special taxing district section. >> Can I just make a request that you include something like that in the agenda? So, >> well, whenever we present the assessment uh rate for to council, I believe that it is in there, but I will make sure

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that we have it there for >> I just think it's important that so whoever reads it agenda sees that overall the rates have really been down to flat >> in big font, please. Thank you. >> So, >> uh as a final item, uh I think uh uh our

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I think JP wanted to recommend a second uh workshop, a second budget workshop. I I put it in there in case we wanted to speak more on some of the things that were uh requested like Lock Lman's guard house. Yeah. >> The request for the entry features at

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the Royal Oaks the four Royal Oaks locations, the 2.9% increase for SFM because I didn't know if we were going to have enough time to speak with it today, but it's up to you all. Um I just need direction if you if you want us to include those aspects into the uh May uh

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agenda. I definitely think so. And um just obviously subject to the budget director's um deadlines uh that of what she needs uh to make sure that we're chugging along uh at the pace necessary.

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Uh so when when would be the most ideal time for that? >> First, thank you for considering me. Um so our regular council meeting is May 19th. I assume that after whatever discussion you have on first reading is probably when you would want to have a

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workshop, a second workshop or you would prefer to have that before the first uh reading which is on May 19th. >> I think >> like to give enough time for the residents of those sections to come in. >> I I don't even mind letting the residents show up and and pick at it a

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little bit and and they they'll give us some ideas if like I agree with Council Hersburg. I don't know that there's a lot in here to to to trim. Um I but but you know the the residents act as as an additional set of eyes for all of us. Um

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and and it you know I would say let's bring it up to the first reading in May, right? Is what you're saying. And then we can have a second workshop once we get some feedback from the residents. >> But you're saying bring up in the proposed budget. So then like Glock Lman's go say increase of $1,000, right?

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So I don't know if we want to do that. I think maybe you provide us two budgets. >> That would be correct if we did it that way. >> So I don't want to I don't want that to happen. Well, actually we'll get people to show up. So we do that. So >> um no, I don't want to do it that way. I

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also I haven't seen anything about these things. >> Well, if if we increase assessments by hundreds of dollars, I'm sure I'm sure we'll get the public to show up. >> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. You're right. Okay. Yes. >> We're just we're just kidding. But no, I don't think it's a good idea. Um, I

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think if you can give us I think you should give us this budget and then tell us how much more each uh STD would pay if they included the the requests that were made. Right. But I also like the idea. I think the vice mayor is right. For Loman, it probably makes sense to

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say, well, you need $80,000 for permits and plings and whatever. So, we'll do that for this year and then you need 250 for building and do that the second year. Or maybe even look at financing options. You can probably finance that if you if they wanted to. It would cost a little bit long more in the long run,

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but a lot cheaper. >> We could just bet on ourselves on couch. >> So, um, and I don't think we should have a budget, a proposed budget in first reading. That is insane. We've gone down that road. I don't want to go down that road again. So, but let's get the numbers so you can tell us this is how

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much the estimate is. I haven't heard about the the HOAs, the entrance features and stuff like that. So I >> that was that was presented to me via email and for to be proposed in >> right >> this meeting unfortunately with the the double booking we kind of cut down the

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the agenda but yeah it was it was to be discussed seen that at first reading it just it should just be a second sheet that says here are recommendations from >> HOAs I guess they're all just HOAs here are the recommendations from certain HOAs to think about. Are we considering

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any of the the previous um recommendations that have been proposed by you all? For example, >> I think most of them are already happening. >> The the the uh the doors and windows for the guardouses.

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>> You know what? Just bring them up like like give us all the cost. >> A separate item. Put the shopping list. So you have the shopping list for the the the the design permitting plans of the lock lmen uh guard house and then

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you would have the the the shopping list that includes the um umbrellas, doors, windows, whatever you said. Um and we could then take we but you always have this cor this original budget and then what we would do at second reading

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is pull something or or or at first is pull from that shopping list into the budget if that makes sense. So to be clear, so I understand and I have proper direction. Um you want us to present to you the same budget with exhibits that

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are showing what the district itself is requesting with what the increase to the assessment rate would be if said items were approved on first reading. >> Yes. >> You decide then on first reading what we put what will stay. So when you have it

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on second reading it's clean. So, we're not having another workshop unless you decide to have one after first reading. >> I I I think that that sums it up. >> Okay, perfect. Just want to make sure. >> Uh, any other comments? >> I think they're going to want >> Just quick just the just to make sure we

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get um comment from the HOAs. Uh, >> it's more of a process. >> No, I know. I just want to make sure the HOAs are aware of this and what they what they've voted on and what they would like and have their residents be able to appine and have the HOAs be able to appine. It's like yes, this is what

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we want. So we need so that you know >> this only applies to Lman and Royal Oaks. >> Okay. >> So >> hold on. Not even Royal Oaks. Royal Oaks is HOA does not represent the entire STD. The only correct the only HOA we have that represents the entire STD. So

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that I think that's where we're allowed to say HOA wants it, we'll take it is lock. >> Okay. Okay. >> As long That is correct. As long as we get >> which which we have got there. Yeah. >> I was presented to be as an agenda item on the workshop by the HOA. >> Perfect. Anything else? Seeing all

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business has been covered. Uh the time is 7:14. The workshop is ajourned.