un States of America stand na indivisible liy and justice for all if you guys could stay standing for a second i' just like to have a moment of Silent for uh Jennifer panck I mean
people don't think about these things all the time and on a subject like that like postpartum but obviously in this town it's a real thing thank you okay roll call please mayor M here
council president car councilman KS here councilman desena president councilman Dino here councilman doie here councilman Griggs here administrator Le place here and attorney corini here okay moving on we have no presentations
tonight no point tonight no proclamations tonight ordinance for introduction we have ordinance number 21 41-25 an ordinance amending chapter 4 structures damaged or destroyed by fire of chapter 317 Property Maintenance of the municipal code of the burough of
middle sex to adopt the provisions of njac 5 23- 2.32 unsafe structures motion motion second okay all in favor roll call roll call
counc President con yes counc cors Council Desa yes counc dinino yes counc doie yes and councilman Griggs yes okay and the meeting for hearing is going to be on the 25th all right the 25th will be the hearing on this one okay adoption of minutes please we
have approval of the January 208th 2025 regular and executive meeting minutes mot motion second second all right any changes discussion all in favor I all
okay moving down the mayor's report all right for tonight I know you guys are going to cover a lot of the things so I'm not going to dwell on it and go over it twice I just want to say at this point in time we have a we have we have a lot of back background stuff
going on we have uh i' I've had a meeting with the um the superintend in of schools I've had a couple of uh meetings on the landlord registration um actually stuff that I can't talk about so at at at this point it's going
to be a a quick uh quick report for me for tonight so uh council president okay thanks mayor um handful of things our grant writer Alexa from uh she's from Bruno an Associates she successfully
submitted our sizable Green Acres Grant application uh last week in a nick of time special thanks to U uh Linda uh Carolyn she's not here Paul waska he's our chair of the Landy sport uh and especially Lenny Lenny actually came in on his day
off to help finish that up um how was it good one thanks Lenny congrats to our high school boys varsity basketball team they actually won the GMC gold division they realigned the divisions uh also congrats to our High School girls varsity our girls varsity
basketball team they won the GMC white division so so we haven't done that before the same year um coffee with the cop uh this past Saturday I just wanted I'm sure Kevin you're going to talk about it but but I I I thought it was the best one yet I've gone to most of
these and it was absolutely packed at the elk so um again I thought it was the best one yet thank you to Sergeant Ario thanks for DPW to uh cleaning all the roadways through the night I guess on Saturday into Super Bowl Sunday
everything looked really good Sun morning uh at our next uh council meeting I've asked to add a workshop topic and that'll be called Emergency Services volunteer fee waiver uh just to get folks that are in
the fire department rescue squad and OEM to try to work through that and have some of the permits and fees in town waved for those just for those active members so we'll we'll work that through on a workshop
uh this Sunday it's part of our friends of the library Jazz programs uh sabbot tours of the PA railroad with Kenneth surf they'll be uh kicking off at 2 pm in the Library community room and it's
always free of charge uh the Green Acres Grant survey that we had online for a couple weeks on the burough website had almost 300 responses so uh it's very well responded and um walking was the number one activity that
was ranked it actually said walking hiking and that was at 85% of the responses so almost 100% of it was uh again walking hiking um my last thing here is I'd like to take a consensus now
I'd like to add this for the well add an upcoming agenda it's an ordinance change to amend and update and old uh it's an existing ordinance for contractors storage yards that's how it's termed
it's a again uh add aate ordinance it needs tougher language and um if we have a consensus tonight Chris can work on it For an upcoming meeting okay everybody good good good Kenny Kevin okay y okay Chris we
have okay uh mayor that's it all right very good all right councilman KS thank you mayor um for I got put back on for the Board of Education I'm honored to have been interested with the role of leaon and to serve as your primary Community Communicator with our
counterpart of the board ofet um thank you for your trust I look forward to fostering a strong collaboration and open communication between both sides um for disabled and Senior we remain we remain dedicated to serving our community's most vulnerable members and will continue to pursue every available
Avenue to ensure their well-being as winter brings additional challenges we encourage everyone to keep in mind the danger poised by icy and snowy conditions um especially for those who like to still get out and walk these hazards can be especially difficult for the outly and disabled making it even
more important for them to offer helping ham when needed so if you see someone and you're able to help them please be a good neighbor like State par if you're able to assist please check your elderly neighbors and you know walkway ice this is simple stuff we can do um that's just
loved for the film committee we're still working as the film film industry continues to grow in our state the M burrow is committed to gaining increasing attraction and positioning our community to remain competitive in this ever expanding market and also hopefully bring some additional income
in the future for our community while attracting film Productions is not only opportunity for this but it also showcases the beauty of our middle sex world and we're excited to keep supporting this initiative and thank you for all the volunteers and help that has helped me this happen so far and for the
culture and arts beautification committee we're excited to continue to explore new ideas and initiatives we will delve deeper into these Concepts during this upcoming Workshop we're about to have where we'll discuss future opportunities and plans to enhance our community's cultural and aesthetic
appeal um a special thank you to the amazing community members that are continuously doing things we have murals coming we have um color flower festival still going we have open mic nights we just had a um a ver uh Valentine's Day
Community uh card making Community where kids got to go make valentines and cards there think there's the Recreations doing that as well coming up for another event so you still have time to make your U parts that is it mayor all right thank you okay let's go councilman denza
yes uh we had a hug meeting and approved HUD funds for the 2025 Grant application uh same as last year 63 854 um that was the swim pool and in re viewing their last year's uh
accomplishments we noticed that they don't give a total number of uh memberships and as part of that we have a new change in in um in the manager at the pool and I think it's an appropriate time to have
an audit of their funds they do have quite a bit of money and I'd like a full audit of their uh their their funds to see that their practices and fund handling is all up to date so I've asked uh council president
to talk to car and see if we can get that through the our a yeah a lot of it's going to start with the reporting on you know because that when when you read the report it was like well this doesn't tell you whether you're making or losing money that's what I want to
know and they did report over a $155,000 loss in the concession stand I I can't BL that I mean that can't be ongoing that's a big number so we'll look into that uh Recreation
big report last night big meeting that facility is so over taxed I don't know what where we go with it uh you couldn't even get in in the building last night there were people waiting outside trying to get in it's just packed with so many different
programs um I know they're concerned about the uh volunteer fair and the timing of it and thinking that maybe we should consider moving that back to September oh Community Day Community Day I'm sorry
Community Day um because it's May all Construction that's going to go along with their things and park that we may want to consider that as an opportunity to move it back a little bit also talking
about um what me little sex monthly artisan and Farmers Market um looking at for a place to put that um some talk about cook field maybe
or where else they're still looking into that that'll run the Second Sunday of the month from uh April through September 9 to 12 9 to 2: p.m. so there're still looking into that all
right uh today we had a swack meeting and uh I guess DPW was notified the change of hours for uh Public
Service uh they're requesting an hourly change their operations are Monday to Sunday 7:00 a.m. to 10: p.m. and they've asked for it to be moved back to 6:00 a.m. it's not going to change the number of trucks number of deliveries it's just
so that they can receive the uh transfer the garbage uh an hour earlier and start working on it then uh and that was was approved by Lenny and it was approved by County so that'll start
immediately it's open on B so should not impact the burrow too much that's all I have all right thanks councilman dinino yes uh for jayb the February 12th meeting was cancelled uh no applications
our next meeting is February 26 at 7 p.m. as far as environmental we're still discussing how many ERS of the ER mapping we're going to do and the money that's going to be used for hopefully some Brant W will help us with that commission also wants
to introduce two new ordinances for a future Workshop Agenda One for invasive species and the other is outdoor lighting we talked about this the mayor and I and Mike con with the commission and uh we gave our impression of it we
thought but I will forward these two to you after tonight's meeting we can look it over prior to a next meeting we'll have another Workshop um as far as DPW L thank you again for snow plowing um your guys did a great job I
spoke to Lenny few few times 3 in the morning 4 in the morning I was that working also so we're in communication the whole project and also we talked about brining I said that we would be bring all the roads not knowing that we're going to get three storms a week
so so due to that frequency we're not able to brine in a group we're just doing the mains and the secondaries now you know we have 2 5,000 gallon tanks we use 6,500 gallons to Bry a whole T it takes us 5 days to make 5,000 gallons of
we just can't keep up so we're doing the best we can just to do the main the secondar and tonight the mains are done right the done and the secondaries also as far as black top being poles 10 tons of black top has been used ptle
repair and on the downtime which they I know how they had much downtime but they've also been having required classes through our GIF they've done storm water um snowcloud safety Defensive Driving heavy equipment training bloodborne pathogens and
crossone class so guys are busy when they're not out on the road um do it usually in the community room on an off day we there's no garbage obviously that's all we have mayor all right very good counc doie yeah I had the fire report for everybody uh for
January last month they had 49 calls already first month pretty busy there was uh one fire it says other I don't have details on it a building fire there was a cooking fire uh two vehicle fires man were they busy uh there was a
dumpster fire two of those motor vehicle acent with injuries four and uh no injury six of those they do their usual uh gas calls uh natural gas or LP there was 11 of those uh they actually did
have one chemical spill uh last month and the the next biggest thing was uh they had authorized controlled burning and carbon monoxide they had two of those on which is good for the winter time obviously because everybody's
running heat Chief also had a couple things that he wants me to go into specific they were dispatched to cover something in piscatway um it was a dumpster fire that they took care of on uh January 1st
right after midnight um they put it out and they were able without any incident and came back um there was a employee on the 3D of January at violia uh said there was a dumpster fire they arrived they put the fire um they
knocked down the fire prior to our apparatus even getting there because the violia has like basically their own fire brigade over there not their trucks but they have a lot of guys that are really well I've seen the the uh them do the drills over with them and the whole
thing go off it's incredible to watch uh the 11th they had one they up on at the end of at Route 22 on warville Road in Greenbrook there was uh two uncons unconscious patients had a car accident there they arrived um there's three
injuries total um Warren helped them on this particular one uh they had extra one female patient from our vehicle in that one they were busy on these too uh January 22nd there was a somebody
reported on Ron Avenue that a vehicle struck a tree and rolled onto its side um Chief chman showed up the the vehicle was secured stabilized the front windshield and they removed the windshield to gain access to the
passenger car compartment because they had one adult and a child trapped inside uh let's see Ron Avenue again on the 24th um truck fire for a u garbage truck
uh there was a slight spill of fluids middlex County um hasmat also showed up and took over the the investigation along with the Fire Marshals but that was also knocked down that's all I have oh just to mention coffee with a cop
council mccan is correct it was packed packed absolutely packed I got there I got there fairly early I sat down I guess the back of the room from where you come in and was at the table alone and next thing I know it was full and
there was no place to sit and I have to say Sergeant reach she I don't know how she does it but she does an incredible job she has more and more people donating to that and if you haven't ever done it go to one of those events you
know uh the last thing is just to mention it it's coming coming up our volunteerism day will be May 3rd it looks like the details are still getting put together yeah I saw that in my box and I just wanted to mention it and I will be mentioning it continuously
otherwise Benson will be smacking me if I don't so show up and see how you can volunteer and get involved in this town that's all I have there you know it is it is amazing if you when you go to those events just how many of the the
the vendors in town and the and the businesses Pony up you know like no questions asked there was there was no shortage of food and and things for the people that were that were there they had stuff for the kids it was it's a great event every year it gets better
and better okay councilman Griggs uh thank you um I was at the coffee with a cop event also great great turnout we had as everyone else had said uh but also I did hear a lot about how we did the snow ping and stuff in town there and everybody was happy all of us didn't
seem satisfied with what was going on so that was a good thing you know a number of people were talking about how things were you know going on like last year starting this year so that was good um I'm the Aon for the shade tree commission which hasn't met yet but
that'll be meeting this Thursday at 7:00 if anyone's interested in that um also uh for the uh board Board of Health um that meets the following Thursday the third Thursday of month also at 7 o' and uh I'm also Theon for the zoning
commission and I did get a a report from our zoning officer um regarding the 2024 he had that there was 127 summons issues which was higher than a few of us had thought on discussion um and you know
it's between residences and Commercial locations and uh you know the average average f for a for a resident is about $300 about $500 for commercial business so he's uh you know he's actively enforcing our codes in town um as far as
uh this recent Fe in the month of February he said they had seven zoning permanent applications uh five residential and two commercial a number of uh rren applications they also had uh seven violations which are in in progress and
he is your two SS that's all I have all right thank you very much okay ministrator will place right thank you mayor members of the council members of the audience good evening um I'd like to First add my thanks um to
the previous one to the regarding public works for keeping the clean and safe during our recent snowstorm I'd also like to thank the U Middle sex Police Department for handling a tragic case between sensitivity and
professionalism um work continues on the 2025 budget and now we have S midles from all departments so we'll be setting up um our sessions to meet with each department progress is being made on contract negotiations with representatives of the police benevolent
Association the public works workers union and the white collar workers union we have meeting scheduled for tomorrow whether permitting will be and hopefully we'll be able to continue our work um Suburban Consulting Engineers were very
helpful in in helping the buau complete um the application that was mentioned earlier by the council president for State Green Acres funding this is for future improvements the Victor Crow Park the Consultants are now working with for staff and officials to schedule the
public participation phase of our master plan process for the park so we're kind of proceeding on a two track um approach here where we started going after funding while we're doing the master plan and hopefully when the master plan's ready and we have some great things to spend the money on we'll have
some grant funding in place I uh would like to at this time ask uh for consensus from Council on two items the first one is to draft an ordinance to vacate a 20 foot wide strip of the grow Ro Avenue right of away this
fronts Lot 25 and block 265 which is the former middle burough fire headquarter site um as you recall we sold property and this is the just is a 20 foot wide strip in front of the building along roove Street Ro street is kind of
interesting I don't know if we've ever explain told the Council of this but um the part of roove Street as you come off of Route 28 is about 60 ft wide the cart way but then the RightWay WID to 100 ft so there's all this extra easement and RightWay that no one's using if you go
out there now the road looks about 50 or 60 feet wide because that's where the curves are and everything so this is basically giving uh making the 20 F that we don't need in front of this site productive because the U the new owner of the old fire headquarters can make
good use of the site right now if you look at the site it looks like parking for the property anyway so this is just recognizing that and now it'll also be added um to the parcel so there'll be some tax increase in taxes on property as well in terms of revenue for the so
I'd like a consensus from the council to move ahead with that consensus y yes Jeremiah question question can we get anything for it well when we vacate it what we're getting for
it is basically they'll F tax but they you don't think you know Joe that's that's bit of a reach that's like you paying for a sidewalk in front of your house that you already been using that's 20 ft that's not 5T of the sidewalk this is I think
it represents a really nice partnership with the bur and the new property owner because we got a very good price for the property okay that's an eyesore there that that that actually is he's going to do us a favor he's doing us a favor actually yeah yeah we don't M Property
correct I understand it's a mess down but if you don't ask you don't get yeah um the second item that I thank you for that uh we'll move forward with that tracking an ordinance the second um item is to draft an ordinance to amend the
bylaws of the middle sex buau code to conform to Middle sex County's drug Alliance bylaws and that was been their bylaws they had to update their bylaws as mandated by the state of New Jersey so it's making these bylaws you know just in conformance with current so we need consensus to go ahead and do that
consensus y great all right we're good thank you um The Joint land use board will be discussing the restoration of r75 single family residential zoning um for the property at 1190 Mountain Avenue
which is known as the Presbyterian Church which is lot one and block 219 this will happen at the board's uh March 12th meeting so what they'll be doing is discussing if they decide decide to make a recommendation to restore the old residential Zone and they'll make that
report to the counil resolutions this evening include approval of the 2025 Housing and Urban Development the HUD funds the transfer of a plenary retail consumption liquor license and the authorization for the burough to execute a one-year agreement
with Civic Plus for agenda and management software there will be an agenda Workshop there will be two discussions during our Workshop actually two this evening regarding the hometown Hero's Street banners and also the proposal to
um created Cultural Arts and vcation and in executive session this evening there will be discussion of the police chief contract all right very good thank you all right very good ministrator all right moving on privilege of the floor we're
opening the floor up right now if you have uh something to say come on up speak into the mic name and address please Robert 160 bar good Avenue I have H just a couple concerns
that have been ongoing for years and I like to have the council look into that as well as the mayor um the first thing is that there's a tree located on 150 barag Avenue which is next door to me
the tree is actually the bottom root of it is actually in the roadway and it's abrupting the backtop there is constantly I know the bar has been triming that tree once in a while but the tree branches keep on
coming down and they're going in lawns they're going in my lawn they're going to my neighbor's lawn they're going on the street and they're also people walk we have an acurate Street there because it's right across the street from atick Park during the summer during the Spring
and the fall there's a lot of activity which people walk with kids and strollers elderly people walk they use the park and also car park branches fall on them and anytime it it blows wind
rain or even this the storm it's we're not talking small tree branches but they're pretty large that come down and it seems that I mean I know uh has been addressed and there was trimming but it's still not it's still not right so I
would like that to be looked into there was a predator truck out there about a week uh last week uh I met with uh we saw a partial Tree on the opposite side by the park they took down a large AC Tree on one
side to wide out so they did cut that they never touched the neighbors yard at all at 150 so I would like if you guys can look into that and see what you can do that it's a very well concern that's been going on and it's a habit because
there's people that walk their children not just with strollers but these branches do come down in the summer so we were told uh last fall my neighbor alerted me that the the Barrow turned around and had a representative come out
to look at the tree we were told that that they do not take down by trees but if you go V currently right now they took down a live tree across the street for what reason we don't know but there is there is very well concerned
these branches are coming down as some very large trees over in that area so I appreciate if you can look into that got it we'll refer to the shade tree guys there is a you're not the first tree person to come here so there is a there is basically a policy and a procedure
that we follow and and not being an arborist they are we we'll work off of their Rec I appreciate that because this is going on for years all right it's not a new thing to the world it's not a new thing to the council's I don't know this Council but prior Council but it is a
safety concern that I have and I would like to know if you can look into I appreciate that you no problem you said two things was that the the next the next thing is there's I know it has been addressed leny has been out there public
works trying to do the best this this is a very ongoing issue and it's a very very safety concern there's a large number of geese large number they're currently there almost every day they land into the
park they have Goose droppings all over I see the kids are playing their soccer games they're actually falling touching the ball people are in that Park they at that that part's being utilized all the time but people play the park kids fall
down people touch people walk on the park they touch things I'm talking there's a this year and last year is a very I don't know what happened but we have a very large population of peace and they also land on they also go on the
street they also go on people's wands there's some neighbors that are here uh tonight we keep on chasing these Fe of bik we trying we're 12 I don't know it could be 50 to 100 people at one time I know
years ago uh was addressed for Public Works the gentleman that used to work for Public Works he did an excellent job I think at one point in time you did have geast police out there they put a wooden type of uh statuette of a dog which Beast don't like and it kind of helped
out but this is real this is this is bad this is every day I wouldn't be here tonight just to tell you about the that I cleaned up with me and let to tell you I clean up that part I am on a corner
lot all year round I pick up garbage I even rate the stone that when put down to make sure that everything's fine because there is no parking for any that that parking you look at it's kind of unique there is no parking at all so I try to maintain the park not just
because I go across the street but because I take pride in my town and it's it's not fair that I have to rate just not my one I rake a public I take pick up a public in the public Street and I also just rake I keep on
raking the inside of of a Municipal Park and it's an ongoing thing and I think got so large that we we live it every day we we live this and the geese are here constantly the ice storm I don't know what happened the geese still land
there it's unbelievable it's not just grass when you put down that nice sheating that goes out in the middle of thing that's like they like that thing I don't know what they're eating out of it but they like that but the fock of geese that come into that area is really I'm talk really bad and I
think this it's a very well safety concern for all the people all the kids all the adults that visit that part walk down the street and it also affects everybody else's home so I I appreciate that if you can look into that matter because it is we live it every day East
are still there they were there tonight okay so land anytime you can hear and they land everywhere so I I I really would like you to look into that you don't okay thank you you got it we've been working on it just so your
neighbors you and your neighbors help um I have gotten several complaint from the residents um I've worked with M Conan council president Conan and and Robert Caso you got three options I mean it's not just us it's not middle SE every
right I'm um you have the repellent that we've used before at uh Victor Crow Park we have tried those um model animals whatever dogs I've seen them eat seat next to the dog so um we've tried the
repellent the repellent worked well it's environmentally friendly it's just costly right and it only lasts a certain amount of time so they lay it down it's like a granular system um probably even for a couple months that I see you know
it work out at Victor Pro yes I saw a little bit less GE at Victor Pro since we had that um so we uh my conad and myself been working on quotes to do for Capital to get haveck th P control
cooked field to get these keys out I mean we used to do there's the dogs too we went through this before when uh one of my employees used to have the dog and chase them the dogs are a huge liability for the town even when you hire these companies that have the dog they fall under the Bar's insurance which is a
problem because God forbid that train dog bite somebody we are now liable and I even go as far back and I think it's Bob correct me if I'm wrong pack and flatstone they C pack man they did that there's that little park at Pac that my love
represents peac that was a big problem for Steve Steve Warner who's also your Redevelopment yeah it was hugely controversial was a big problem uh I just want you to make you aware that we're we're working right well you
know let's let's have let's have a little get together and talk spe specifically about can you please get back to me with your findings because I like to get this resolved I think see the mor because it is a very well danger it is dangerous I'm talking there's
there's a lot of that stuff that's out there and just to watch even in the fall these young children playing soccer as you know it's a hand on sport they're touching it falling down it and got it's a safety exter they cut their legs or whatever but it's just not soccer it's
everything either the residents here we're really like upset about this because I'm not if it was a little bit but it is so bad now I know hope Works has been working on it which is great but it we we were living this every single day they're their day they land
in around 6:00 a.m. they're there all day they fly out they come back in again but but as as being a resident it is we live that and try we clean it up and I shouldn't be raking up a park right to cleaning up a street I
got to clean up my yard I'm cleaning up public property and I like I said I take priday in the park I go out there there garbage along that Barrel I don't know what it is people just throw everything in there and I clean it up I put in my garbage canner I or I just make sure
that it's disposed proper but it it's you know I know I'm here because it's going out for so many years people are looking into it and there's no resolvement in a matter I know maybe you can't do nothing there something has to be done I'm sure on a larger scale maybe somebody can do something but for right
now I just wanted to make that presentation to you thank you yeah we also may we had when he said it we had somebody came in the Parks meeting in the fall and then another guy came into the parks meeting at the end of the year one was Victor crra one was do uh Victor
Crow and cook field so now this is the third Park which is haverstick so um yeah third person so it's it's not going away no and same complaints they had the same exact complaints oh it's hard I mean listen I mean I got them in my backyard they come they land they're there all
day they're I mean you see them around there and the only thing that's been a you know and it's been a little bit worse now because unfortunately my dog passed away he used to go out there and chase them all out of there so you know now um it is an issue I don't know what can be
done I don't know because I don't know the scope of it or or or anything like that but I I do recognize it's an issue I mean it's ongoing even Victor trout I mean you go there I know you know you have to Lenny to clean the the path up and he cleans it and then you come back in the afternoon you're right back where
you started from it's unbelievable yes sir good evening my name is Chad I live on 150 tget avue and my issues are similar to what Bob was refering to the trees is right across from my house
and I'm not sure maybe like six months ago there was some work done on the street and to level the road they cut through the roof regardless uh every once in a while a 10t wind branch falls right on my yard
and it hits so hard that sometimes you feel the the you know shaking of the house so I just want to make sure that I bring to your attention that not only that all the kids around the neighborhood they walk around the tree they had three kids
across the house uh living the house across from me I have my own kids kids who come in play in the park and they are cars park so these small branches maybe they look like very thin like a
stick falling from 40 ft up it it can hurt right and also a lot of these branches fall on my driveway and I usually have my couple of cars park and you know some of them are really expensive and anything happen to these
cars the insurance wants to total it so I'm addressing this as a resident that this tree is become a nightmare because all these branches that fall and there a lot of dead branches I know they said they going to come out and take a
look um but not sure what how it's going to get resolved we already have a coup times and it trims it few times and after trimming it's still happening so I just want to bring this to your attention
looking for some resolution and secondly with the geeses same thing these geeses when they they carry a lot of diseases and these diseases can have really impact on and they can maybe pass them it can spread out so this is
definitely a serious issue I know the very job and they always help out but this issue needs to be addressed thank [Applause] you4 gwood I have a few matters I want
to ask about there um Mr mentioned during his report that the Liberty Corner Presbyterian Church uh the JB I guess is going to look at returning it in residen in the wrong town if it's Liberty Corner what's that said Liberty Corner yeah you
got you're about 30 m 20 miles away they can do whatever they want up there D about next sure that they're looking at returning into residential Zone at at this point that it's under consideration yes okay if um if the
zoning was returned to what it was before it became Church how many units could fit over there anybody have estimate there there would be responsible to estimate because right now there's no there's issues with that property so I don't know what it could
be I wouldn't even I would even guess no I wouldn't even guess would even guess would this be for multif family buildings or single family it's just resident it's a Zone Dave it doesn't you know so whatever fits into it okay um
Mr Desa earlier refer to some Report with the concession stance the concession St pool it's the annual uh swim pool report okay so that came out in December January yeah a few weeks ago two or two or three
two right after the end of the year they they do it during January 2024 yes okay okay um another question I had um I was looking online and I at the uh
Victor C par document she had that appearing recently um and the cost estimate for the project is $150,000 how much Grant is get sought from I believe so yeah yeah does that include I a playground there but I see a
playground listed on on the list stuff it asked us to estimate what the it's an interesting exercise for us because we have we don't have a plan yet we were kind of anticipating what the plan will involve so we based it on input from the survey and that sort of thing so um certainly we'd be updating and adding to
playground equipment it's still see looks like you know Victor F Park will be basically a passive Park rather than an active recreational facility like Mountain View Park um but you know improved path improve hopefully restoration of of the warming shed and
then access to the Lakeside and paths and things like that those are components so but so if you do put a new playground down there would you be seeking money from the DP to help pay for work or they go to a different grant for something else well it would be the money that we
get from the green ACR Grant okay um I believe Kevin may have asked about this last time but I didn't hear the answer to it um are we in litigation regarding Victor C park right now and water and the situation in there what what is who are we in litigation
with it what are we doing New Jersey American Water we are IM mediation mediation mediation court ordered every case does it every case is offered it and typically they do it so so we filed lawsuit at one point and then the court said try to settle it
before we have to step in by is standard um some some some cases don't there's no there's no desire on either side so they just do the half you get a half hour free or 45 minutes free they do it and they say all see you later we taking advantage of that right and this is a
serious issue yeah yeah but yes yes and yes okay when is when is the mediation session they are periodic I don't know the next one okay um Mr place also mentioned about um I guess
there there's three contracts ppw pbaa and white call we have units do any of them have or all of them have existing contracts right now or have a little of both [Laughter]
okay par me they expire the end of December oh yeah sorry they all expired at the end of December so all three are working right now yes without contract without contract okay um last contracts went about three years
two and a half I think four yeah four and correct I thought that was the case when session the last couple months and you know so you've got three contracts right now um that you know are not
resolved um and you also have the same situation across town day but you really don't hear anything about what's going on here it seems like you guys have discussing things why are they trying to resolve this um what are you guys doing differently than because you know we had
a demonstration Rec we're communicating and and have a desire to resolve them and be fair um one last topic um place also mentioned the budget process um the
perance have come in and given you figures temporarily or yeah what we do is sort of the first uh opening round of the budget process is to ask the department heads and and all the Departments to provide us with a
proposal for the year for their budget but also we ask them to please you know if cannot exceed the expenses from the previous year really hold the clock in line and so far it looks really good what we're seeing coming in from the various department so they have the department
hasn't been told that they Cann not exceed last year they've been asked I mean they've been asked it's hard to tell them to absolutely do that with cost every single cost going up materials insurance benefits but in good faith most of the Departments are really
trying to do that good start Dave sorry just just one other point along the lines is that one of the major components of of these contracts is is the health insurance and it's a process
that they are well aware of it's a process that we're doing our best to keep it moving along and we're being open and forthright that because uh we're we're trying to take take care of things and we're
moving as fast as we can but it's going to be hard for us to negotiate a finality without having the health insurance part settled right and I know I think was the last
meeting yes and we and we have we have a br a broker our broker has uh solicited from the town information uh he has I believe 90% of the information I think he's waiting for one last little bit
which may actually come from the state and once they have that they will come back with a proposal at which point we can you know we can sit down talk about it and then move things forward so you're basically waiting to get a little bit more certainty on the health
insurance issu for you get into really good Weeds on well we well it's let's put it this way a lot of the to to the best of my knowledge a lot of the little stuff is kind of done and dusted it's
the matter of you know the big stuff now which is like the health insurance and the wage that that's like the two biggies and they're sort of like co-mingled because it's going to be hard to be as Fair as you would like to be when you're getting wrapped with a an
exorbitant healthc care increase and that's why and and it's not just us it's all over the state and that's why we're going through we're going through this process right now and and we've been very open we've communicated it and all the unions understand and and they
bought in so we're trying to do the right thing just get back on the bu so the department heads were not given like this is what we want you coming at not yet but you basic to try to hold soon no
it's a starting point we asked them to be as you know really conservative as possible in terms of what they're asking for they know it's a tough budget year for the burrow that it's going to be a tough budget you know time in the bur for seeable future so I think they've all taken that very seriously um what
happens is the next round is when we sit down with the Department as we talk we go line by line we see where we can do some initial Cuts even before members of the council see it so staff has a couple shots at at trying to uh you know make it as as lean and mean as possible okay
one one last question mayor um you watch the news there's a lot going on right now about efficiency in Washington and we have people scrutinizing everything that's being spent in certain departments at the federal level have you ever have you
thought of possibly bringing in I'm I'm sure through mun municipality she probably get somebody to come in and look at the operations here and possibly make some suggestions on efficiencies have I thought about it well one of the things Dave is that
you know for a person even like myself I've been doing this for 38 years in in in accounting and finance and and you sort of have an idea of what to look for and we do have a a very stringent audit process we do do the self assessments
and Frank we don't have $5 million that we're sending to Africa to check you know the the tis fly and everything else we don't have that that's not going on here I mean it it the what it really comes down to when we do the budget you know I'm not trying to be a wise guy and I apologize if you took it that way is
that you know really at the at the end of the day with the budget that and what we have to deal with in this town it almost comes down to what don't you want that's really what it is what don't you want one you know I mean people come in and
they say we would like you to handle the geese well if that turns out to be now you have to balance that all right do I take care of geese or do I take care of uh a a bamboo infestation somewhere or you know it's you have to balance all these things out we
really it it's a it's just the nature of where we are with the fact that with our ratables and everything else we don't have Deep Pockets so you don't have to go far to find the Loose Change that's really what it comes down to I mean you you've heard the old forensic audit and
all the rest of that and and to be quite honest if I thought there was Merit to it I'd be the first one in line saying yeah boy we really got to do that it's not here yeah well I don't I could be wrong what's going on Washington is not forensic a it for so much it's more like they're just going and saying we do we
need this program do we need that program it's more you know I I always s of forensic I was looking for you know miscalculations and Mis money and things like that whereas I think they're looking at things on Merit or lack of Merit
that's true but when you look at look towns and even the schools I mean 80% of the budget is is salaries and benefits 80% probably even more in the schools it's probably 90 and here it's it's quite a bit I mean the thing that the only things that throw it down here is
is probably uh Debt Service you know and stuff like that I mean that's why you know so that's why we look at things like we need we need to take care of the Piscataway Pump House type thing that's 300 something thousand dollars a year
every year that's why we we worked on the source to try and figure out how do we get rid of that because that's a fixed cost that does nothing for us that's why we we went from uh middle sex County Health to Somerset County Health because we were spending a lot of money
and we got nothing for it you know so I mean do we do we look at these things yes and I have to say that I'm I'm I'm kind of happy with the with the group of guys that we have up here because everyone's going at it with the same attitude we got to look what can we do I
mean and we don't want to take away something without getting something back for it and what's been very difficult over the last few years is going through the budget process trying not to we don't want to cut any services to the residents none and I got to tell you
that every year that's getting harder and harder and harder especially when you have health insurance going up like crazy you got the state coming up with all these cockamamy fees and and all the rest of the things that they want you to do that it gets very diff it's gets
frankly on my end it gets really pretty frustrating because every year you say oh thank God we got through this year next year man we're going to be in good shape good shape and you get to like the middle of January and you're right back where you started from it's like what's going on you know and it it's and a lot of the stuff is almost like a fixed cost
it's nothing you can get changed you're just stuck you know the and that's why one of the big stuck was the health insurance that's why we're looking at it and and we're hoping we're not stuck with it so we could do we could do right for the town and right for the employees all right thank you very
much good evening I'm Sandra I live on 3604 I'm the last town in from har I'm going to pigy back over what Bob was talking about with but I add that it's toxic to animals my four-year-old Cabo
was diagnosed with IBS and Li from eating goose yeah so it's a serious serious thing $330,000 later in dead Bill she's now on you know prescriptions and
everything else to keep him alive so I want to address that and answer it but I think Jack around here we had a conversation about my neighbors on 368 B out they are section
eight the plum Lord landlord have done nothing I know the Ty has given them citations about the garbage the rubbage now there's furniture on the side of the house there's girat there it's a now it's a health issue and you have you
know the neighbors up in down the street take pride in their problem I said to myself every day I have to look at this I CL here I almost called the polii on uh Saturday because there was an
altercation with one of the young young men that Liv in there there's multiple families living there I don't know how that's they're getting a certificant of op for po families living in there and he started giving me
C he just very mouthy screaming at me my neighbor next door because he was not picking up his door crap and I C him out on it now this is unfortunately when there was more important things going across the street in the park with that poor woman I wasn't going to Pi us home
his father was pleased with it so Neighbor Next stor me interjected his a fireman and he goes listen just get in your house his kid who was walking ad doll who by the way didn't pick dog poop and I have complained multiple times I
have given him bags I didn't know what to do I with that quick question when was the last time you saw you saw the code enforcer out there Tyler when was that ient him I work so I sent him emails pictures when
was the last one is the last email was last month last month okay I SP to you last month I was I called the clerk I think I spoke with l one of somebody asked there I asked who are the tax collector who owns that
house because it's I wanted if it's public record that why are is this landlord allowed to allow his tennants to do this it's two years now all right well let me do a little bit more research on this I mean do I call the
board of help well do I call Seven On Your Side what do I do D tell well that's what we're going to try and figure out is exactly what remedies can be done because there is a and as much as it gets frustrating we have a couple of these where you have to follow a certain procedure to go all the way
through this regarding like an altercation in the street that type of thing harass officer Mido is right back there feel free to talk to her she'll she'll give you some good guidance deal with the dead body I didn't think it was appropriate for me to well not when
they're doing that but obviously but she's she's right here right now she'll be more than helpy happy to give you like some pointers on how to handle something like that because for 31 years paying taxes I to De with
different go down before he out halfway down 368 just look down their driving and it back here just Furniture garbage recycling your garbage stand stays out 24/7 I have pictures of my phone for
almost two years now and nothing has been done nothing did you email the code enforcer yes did he respond to the I called Jack last month I don't know what up today yeah I think that this is one of the things that we were talking about
on uh Friday when we were on the phone with uh the judge did they get the summonses issued do you know if they went to court anything Jack did tell me that they were doing summonses but since it's gotten worse it really got worse stay in the front the DPW is
picking it up because it's a huge I can understand why it's a huge garbage can and they could throw everything on it not in garbage bag nothing it's so it's not even a not it's a non-conforming uh garbage can I know they oh well they're gonna
have to call I have to see DPW doesn't do both pickup but it doesn't matter all that shit's on the she's my friend on the side of the house furniture now Furniture we'll get into it thank look all right thank you well I'm going to be in
jail well we don't want that but do do take a minute though and and go talk to the officers that's aough after follow we'll give it a try um I've had a little bit of experience with u geese
situation I'm a life member of the National Water Society so had a little bit of experience with did you know that adult Goose droppings are about a pound and a half each day and they contain eoli
salmonella histoplasmosis coxidia and Gardia so these are not things to be messed with and children and pets are greatly affected more so in adults because adults with we have enough immunity buil in our bodies for the most
part to not have a problem by the Wayward is 243 um so the way to fight this thing is with I hate to say chemicals if you I don't recall the
exact mixture of what it is but there are things that you can state to the counting health for to find out exactly what the mix is and that they will possibly administer or recommend someone
to administer and um once the chemicals start kicking in you might lose a patch of lawn here and there but other than that geast tend to stay away they've been here for 10,000 years and they're
not going away You're longer than we have at least in this time um so that would be my guess system I would immediate the process it might take a couple months and obviously as you know
they don't go south every winter and I don't know why they didn't go south this winter because to me it's been cold enough to get out of here but the flyways have been vacated uh for a lot of different breeds of birds as well um Chesapeake Bay is very low
on on migrant birs this winter so some El is going on in the atmosphere I guess so quick question for you because you've been down this road before is this something that we pursue with the county to try and get them to get us chemically
set up if they know about yes if they don't then I would go to the state because State talk have you ever asked I've seen New Jersey fishing game in Wildlife they do the chemical I don't know much about the chemical Jack say that it's not going to be safe for you
let me down lny one of your biggest problems just so you're is I mean I got pointed six years here we've been really on top of the maintenance of those fields because they were not addressed back then so there is a lot of fation I think Bob can test
that's probably the first time he's ever seen a thermal blanket at H State Park was over the last couple years so I'm sure that's a huge Factor so the fertilization is like dragging them in it's like yeah the overseeding and all that stuff we're doing to get that Park to what it should be we I'm sure it's
not help helping it's drawing so kind of have a to where Bob said right cuz you're you're you're like Santa Claus you're you're G them a nice Buffet I am I am but it's kind of like so we're either going to not take care of the par use the chemical kill the
grass and not be able to use it for recreational purposes right I mean we have socer we have mice there we have two baseball fields there those fields haven't looked that good since I mean in a long long time so right I mean I don't I don't know I'll have
to we'll have to put some time into it because like I said we're we're back to a balance again yeah certain do yeah I'll I'll communicate with one thing to remind you closure here children and pets are greatly
affected I heard that by the first time eoli well obviously $30,000 later yeah they are not your best friend in that is probably a good
box yeah but they come with their own problems all right thanks Bob anything else hi my name is Marina and I inv Avenue in midle before Excuse Me Miss one more time a
little slower and a little louder what's your name my name is Marino and I live in2 farrate Avenue they are my neighbors I think I'm one of the ones that called the most to Benny regarding I have been
asked him if we could get um a gate and I don't know what the solution is because I know it actually helps my neighbor from coming out but I would like to know if you can get a gate cu actually the door that is next to closer
to my house that's where they come out yeah is it she's called me in reference to so but don't they fly so oh yeah I didn't they walk they walk out of Department they're walking half of the playground area which is the only gate that which is the only area that doesn't
have a gate because it's narrow over there yeah yeah so I okay so I did inform her I'm looking it's actually going into my Capital to to add more money into my capital F repair to add a gate there so it's fully enclosed I mean it's not to make promises that we're not
going to fly over but um yeah well just just a quick and I'm not too familiar with that part is is the where the kids where the where the playground is is that in its own little Fen in area the
cor of the park right I'm just asking but if it was fenced in would that be better for the kids that play in the park would the geese still go in there would that kind of like push him out well they can fly mayor so well I know that that's why we're getting them a
gate no but they would stay in the main part of the park more more than likely staying the main part but you still would have an issue with these keys and they're dropping oh I know no no I understand that but I'm just saying you know as far as you know we're talk she was talking uh you know well Bob was
talking kids and and and animals yes would it help yes for that play one second I'm sorry but that's not the problem Miss yeah sorry don't mean to do that to you but you see even if you put a gate
surrounding the playground area a lot of kids do not go to play in the playground area when the kids go is because they're playing sports soccer baseball so isn't the main deal you get maybe one two kids in the playground area but so it's not
going to solve the problem okay thank you I guess I guess what I was looking at it from was the fact that usually the playground areas will be younger kids versus the sports will be the older kids Jack I just I just want to finalize
what I have to say and as well as my neighbors I know every everywhere every Park you can't control the be but within this last year we did so big of geese flying in we're doing pots and
pans horns walking talking to these Gees get that you know out and it's there I'm talking they're over 50 to 100 at one's Point setting almost every day one day didn't in come we said what happened but it's I shouldn't be the part police I
don't think any anybody should be the part police but because the large number of gas sh you canting put the fence around there and so forth I was just asking say as as a suggestion that was brought up but yeah
Gees do deine they do go out of the way but that Park is so unique because it's so big and wide open the kids when they have sport activity they also the remainder who don't play go on the swings go on the playground as well as a
lot of people even in the winter time they were just on the Springs the other day even when we had ice but it gets utilized part get utilized by so many people and there's even so many people when they play sports that come out it's a very active part so if you can stop some of them
maybe they'll get the idea that okay now I got in their mind they have a different detour they go to maybe they won't be as much or maybe they won't come back but it's getting so populated you have if you physically go walk that right now you can see all the droppings
all over and we're just picking up bags of stuff I'm picking up bags of stuff the neighbors are doing as best as they can and we're not here just because it happened for the last couple months this ongoing years of couple years of geese that are flying and it it's really a
real safety have hey let us look into it let's see what we can get done I mean I I I I can appreciate your your concern for sure would you like like you're going to return my call or return my information after I can give it to you so this way I can get a response back
need to address this I think I still have your phone number in my phone yes sir thank you all right thank ja if would come up a remedy just so if you're okay with it I'll put the dog SL I have a printer I'll do V printer I'll do the
refle I'll put them out there in the me figure out solution well obviously nothing is going to be done in four minutes but I know you can do that fairly quickly I'll be able to take care of that all right thanks Lenny any body else all right let's uh close the public
portion uh motion to close motion second all in favor I okay here we go Linda we have resolution 62 2025 acceptance of standing reports resolution 63 2025 authorizing the mayor to execute an
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didn't even have to take a second breath for that one you Breeze right through that okay does anyone need any of these pulled no no no' okay a motion to approve moot second any discussion no call the rooll please
council president con councilman cor Council s counc d yes Council doie yes Council Griggs yes all right everything passes non-consent agenda we have resolution 69 2025 tayor clim motion motion second all right any
discussion all right uh call the rooll please counc president Conan yes councilman cors yes counc desens yes counc Dino yes councilman Dodie yes councilman GGG yes okay very good all right we're going on to agenda Workshop items we have two
items on here tonight um Bobby I know number one is something near and dear to your heart um let's who's who's leading the charge on that is is it you or Michael started off well you know um while the streetcape was going on it was
you know brought up to me by people from the Els and the legion that we should do the hometown banners like every other town has so I had consent us from the council back then but we were waiting for the streets came lights to be put in you know how that
was buil up by PS so ultimately it went on to the library one which is a separate thing not not this but now here we are where the polls are up and I would like the consensus to move forward with this um I know you all know what it
is but the questions that we have to decide now is when um there's we only have 30 polls in front of the streetcape and we have some down the lake so we have a total of I think 60 so uh um I spoke to the
gentleman today from here the uh they would set up all the paperwork for us they would set up the form that the residents would fill out we would need one contact person for the public works and that Chris said he would do it okay so checks would come in and then the
problem is we have to decide when we want to start this if we're all in favor well if you don't mind me asking a question so this is basically we're going to have brackets on the on the light poles and someone will say I have a HomeTown
hero I I fill out a form I guess they're sending in the check they're they're they're funding the banner itself they pay for the banner themselves yes okay and then we would put it up so we have to have a start date when we want to do it obviously we won't make Memorial Day
obviously but uh well how long does it take talk about July the problem is we don't want to do put one up two up we want to put it deadline okay but by this date we want to and we'll see how many we have and we go from there um I don't know what kind of response we have was the library La they were
free these are $75 75 for for 75 that's not bad I mean it's every it's everywhere else I think it's a great idea Michael and you have I just uh staff had been working
with councilman Deo about this and there are a few issues that I think we need to sort of iron out as as the council before we do that would would Lenny I think he's here for this right let we spoke to a gentleman today want me to
let yeah because he would be he'd be administer how about your brackets brackets we have paid for through money from the street SK so we have brackets we don't have have the no banners we have no Bann yeah I I just wanted to pick up on a few things for our
discussion um it's not a matter of doing it and not doing it it's a matter of I think everybody wants to do it where and how they we do it because we have actually less than 60 of the ornamental street lights we have them on along Route 28 by Mountain View Park and we
well actually going from about Wendy's up to Pasta high school and then we have some in Victor Crow Park but that's what we have for the procable future we have a few unlinkable so maybe there's 60 in total but that's it for
the foreseeable future until we do more streetscape projects what Lenny and I had talked about is and I know the mayor and I had had discussions about doing some branding banners like with the middle sex logo on possibly on some of the street lights but we're gonna have
to figure out which banners go where like that's why I want to do this I want right some of the towns use utility polls because there's an unlimited number of utility PS we have hundreds of utility PS keep in mind that when we did the database of veterans M effects for
the Legacy Lawn there's over 200 free right free but I don't know if we have interested doing this new program and there's more than 60 I don't know what to first come first serve come first serve and that's what we talked about Lenny and I like who then and then when
do the old ones come off and the new ones go on one thing that and I were thinking about is if we use the utility poles for the veterans for the Hometown Heroes not only do we have an unlimited number we could maybe do either 28 or we could do the Memorial Day Parade route you know Route 28 Union Avenue Harrison
you know that sort of thing there's a lot of things that we might want to think about if we just want to do the street Scapes then we're doing about 60 I think they look the new polls I think they would look amazing on the new polls I think we stick with just the new polls for right now I agree Micha reason if we
have interest for more than 60 families well we have a lot of two things a lot of telephone polls that are either some are new some are old some are misplaced it's not they're not our polls I just think the veteran should be on the nicer polls okay and the wooden poll should have the blue ends I love the
Blue Ends I think every other or every third poll the wooden the wooden pity the utility poll should get the blue M and the nicer $10,000 Mont style pole should get the veterans I I I think you
should Boulevard is is also I think they I think we have probably at least 20 or 30 on Lincoln Boulevard well in front of all the apartment three properties three properties and Jiles uh more than you think and then in Victor crra we can even double stack
them double them on because we can't double them it has to be over the sidewalk well in the highway if you did them on over the roadway you have to do a yeah that's no but if we could do double Michael two on one you could you could go side by side over the sidewalk you have the
minimum clearance of 7 we have plenty of room you if you do banners on the street side it has to have 14ot minimum on the street we meas the PO we have plenty of room on the just again I'm just a little concerned let's say we have 60 or 70 or I think it's probably 80 if we have interest from families more than that
what do we tell them let let's wait till we first come first Ser let's wait to see what we have I I would I would hold list and I think you're going to do I'm sorry mayor the phase two of the street Gap so we're not talking 30 okay you know we're talking I
don't know when 5 10 I mean yes I'm working on the grant for phase two which is going to continue from Washington as Texas wiener maybe yeah yeah Texas yeah I would I would hold off on the wood poles for the time being because the
they're still putting up new poles and they still got to take the Old Poles down and that's something that we you know because you go around town you see a lot of double poles and they haven't even gotten that far and and as fast as they move forget it you know I like we
know the streetcap style polls they're going nowhere for a long time I we're the only town except for the one that lasted one day they're everywhere in second M yeah no I I I think it's a great project Bobby you've been working on that for three years and this and this guy does
the vendor does does a lot he'll work with spoke to him today he does he does the majority Y and then you guys put him up yes yes he does the whole form very self-explanatory paid they're paid for
are we doing it would be over the sidewalk of the street FR and then if it would be double price would be right the left so total being I correct me if I'm wrong about 72 total 72 right something like that so be 72 if
we double uh Pro which has 21 and Street stap has 30 that's not counting l b whats there's probably 20 I would say at least at least those are smaller poles but still they're at least you could do them over to sidewalk too that's correct um yes you know we talked about um
because the ones on the streets gave I can take down because Normal towns leave them up all year so the one in the streetcape I would take down before Christmas and then put up my snowflakes that I want to up and we could kind of have a rotation list who wears on stret sheet who who signed up first so first
conf first serve so the next one we start putting on rotation if we get more than than than we have and 80 bucks is not I mean it's you know that's the biggest question is how do you do phase two if if say we have 15 51 people who comes down that's my biggest problem my
biggest concern you know what I'm saying I think if you do end up getting I'm just I like to prepare for the worst uh I don't know maybe it's the better to people with our job but let's say you get 150 people and you don't have enough now you don't have enough to to put them
on then we can start with a parade right it wouldn't be bad to see him all the way down Harris worst case scenario to uze some of those to stay up all a specific Road do mountain because mici police station Veterans Memorial right here so
yeah there's a lot of pass but brackets I need to order FYI like yesterday and we need the ornamental ones for the street correct so I need to get order in ASAP so um that's why I Michael I I just need to know what we're doing we need to
get I need to put in the order I'm good with it mayor that a St contract how long contract is this the material on it how long last right what did he say
about years it's all the most important how T it is when you put it up yeah really that listen um whatever the cost of so they're not fling whatever the cost of the banner would be we spoke
about charging an additional $10 for each Hometown hero to put that into a slush fund to where if something does happen to is a bad term Dave Dave there are no slush funds in the middle in Middle de the only
slush fund is the f for the plowing for the plowing get so if it gets H by a truck or get gets run over a pole gets run over we we have money for rep okay these look like the ones that are
in in Manville right now yeah I'll tell you they're pretty color fast because they've had them up there for a while right and and we can also we'll be designing our own every town is exactly the same you Pi the colors and obviously the
T you make you can kind of make it your own we were thinking like a darker blue mayor and because they're us protected the whole n yards obviously but um it'll and I know how you like the color blue um it's branding i' say they're going to
last for two to four years at least good the problem with that is how do we move to phase two that's if we have more people that's the only issue that that's the part that scares me will manage that you yeah but I mean do you really think I mean you're going to have you're going to have doubles in the park you're going
to have 60 poles outside I mean that's that's a lot of people do something that fall under the beautification for the well that's yeah see now that more is I agree with that Jeremiah yes I definitely agree the only reason I'm bringing up S was you know
how it was in the past 100% I agree with you I would like to just personally say like this has been talked for since I've been around so thank you for like grabbing this and doing it for the veterans like we really appreciate that um it definitely means a lot coming from non
veterans right like that support and love for what we do so this is a beautiful idea like to see it come so at this point just to get it started where are we at to get this going we just give him the consent that yeah we want to move forward who'll make the who'll make
the form for us correct yeah the application form with our and then we just how we put it out there do we do it on social media do we put it on our page put it right on the website put it right front you can put it on the sign out front you I don't know who you want to work on the actual design of the banner
they're gonna ask us for what they what do we want our colorex Jeremiah you know what with that we could we could let uh our little uh PR people come up with something yeah let's just do let's just get it going tonight
let's get it going yeah I think I should fall under culture har I do believe I do all right I'll work with you J on that whatever I'm good all right so we're good so move forward everybody yes yes yes all right
all right we we beat all right very good we're getting somewhere yeah there you go Bobby all right let's move on to the C cultureal and arts beautification committee the cultural and arts beautification committee where we
originally talked about the way to do this is that we're not really changing the name it's still going to be cultur and arts we want to roll the beautification into it now in the last week it was it was it was funny um well
it wasn't funny but what wind up happening is that I had presented to Chris the the Lang to put in there at the same time like a few days later you did the same thing you know but we're not that far off so I I I just just
would like to to go through because Chris actually had written up an ordinance based on what I gave him the first time because he had it done for the Thursday that we're were going to put out the agenda but yours came out on the Thursday and then we just decided to
pull the whole thing back to just wait I just did this because you asked me to no that's okay no problem there's nothing about the beautification committee in any ordinance or resolution anywhere so we kind of had to reconstruct it from scratch and Jack and Jeremiah kind of did at the same time so
we could make it any way you want there's no rules or restraint I have a um discussion with um um the chairman of the culture and arts and we do believe that the September 11th Rememberance ceremony should maybe go back to the like the
historical and ceremonial to believe you and I were an exact I told Chris that didn't belong there yeah yeah I think I mean I think that would be September 11 goes with the the with Shirley and the library and all that yeah they do a really good job with
that yeah exactly it goes somewhere else and and as far as the other ones all right we were we were pretty much in sync with all the other ones except for I think that as a committee a committee cannot make an ordinance and I and and
my own feeling on this is I agree with like the first line in everyone but where you where you say we propose including adjustments to zoning or Property Maintenance codes to incentivize participation I don't think that's I think that's a bit much and like a little bit of an overe that's my own
opinion and it was almost the same thing for every single one it was like the Holiday Homes and ordinance for for guidelines for Holiday displays for uh the summerflower or orance to establish rules for planning and common Aries and I think we got to just hold off a little
bit on that because the environmental is going back with this whole U the invasive species and all the rest of that so we have to we're trying to do like almost two things at the same time I think I think we should leave these categories almost a little bit more
generic giving you some time to figure out what's good way to get to make it work and go from there that work all right only one I would um like the burrow holiday lawn decorations uh the DPW usually handles
that do we want to work along with them with that or is that something to wear again like I don't know if they took over it because there was no help because there is no volunteers to get out and help that or if it was something that's like part of it well usually the stuff is is the the burrow I didn't know
if they were just picking up part I was never DPW DPW never did that no yeah Lou just Lenny just sort of inherited that little we remove it we have to maintain the property jeremi and that's it and then they put it back but that's all we
managed to do so I guess I'm referencing like the Mountain deew Park like that little set up oh no you you thought you were talking about the the the one where you have the the sliding board and the the ball the the the elf going through the air that those type things oh
yeah that's so at this point you know what what we' like to do is basically Chris you you have something put
together you just heard what we talk so you don't have an issue or anyone has an issue with like throwing the throwing out the ordinance part I don't think we need to get to that to that level at this point but I definitely think go but but and we already talked about not
having the September 11th thing there what changes would you have to make to your ordinance the way you did it to to get this rolling go back to the first one the ordinance aspect of it can you clarify what you're talking about I am talking about the version that you did
yeah I know so that's the version I did jemah looking I have so but when you said you said is you I didn't understand the very first thing you said and I can't repeat I got I understood everything else but first so what were what were you referring to
what what I'm referring to is this all right hang on I'm just looking for where's the one with the blackout in there yeah one this is the original that's what Chris
that's where's where's the one where you where you put in uh that's is one I think Chris did here it is that's that's that includes the all the ones that you had asked me to add home of the one it was it was bold I mean Linda I that's all right well let's
just look at it it's it says home of the month right what else the uh Holiday Homes program all right summerl summerflower program and other appropriate purposes because you could just I mean that's you spin it out forever I don't mind I mean
you tell me when to stop spinning and all stop spinning right you want to you know I mean for where we are right now is this sufficient General yeah is is this sufficient for right now and the other thing is that that wording leaves it General you could say hey you guys are going to take this over for
beautification it's a general term it's a general term and it it eliminate the one you didn't want it has everything else in there if you put um I think it's been better for volunteers when they can actually see like I understand what you're saying like a blist but if they see things like that this is what they
can go work on I think it makes it more understandable to them so if we like they want to be General and open all right so basically eliminate the the uh ordinance bit but then just put in when you say what do you mean like right here we propose including adjustments to
zoning or Property Maintenance codes like eliminate that line keep the first line aim that encouraging homeowners to maintain and improve problem with making this any longer than it is this is section six of subsection six of chapter of section A is that you are going to
have um the beautification aspect of it which way are nowhere in the code now and nowhere in a resolution anyone can find you will see very quickly that six will overwhelm the rest of your excellent work in terms of tech I would suggest like coming up with a mission
statement and a scope of work for this committee and then loop I mean we're meeting this week so I can go and talk to them and if you would like to talk yeah because we're basically saying the same thing we just gotta so if I start adding a lot more stuff in here you're GNA you're that
which is all beautification overwhelm good missions of commit you want to condense this to something if I could I would love to add it like if I could keep it down to another two lines you'll see how it'll look it'll look weird it'll look that you've got all
these Jem when we wrote when you and I wrote this right we worked on this together you got one through five right but then you'll see that six which is all are all the beautification committee's responsibilities they're not written anywhere will now become like half of that section and just make it very confusing to understand what people
are trying to accomplish um I mean I guess I could break it out into a different subsection I was going to say if you just bring number if you just bring number six and just label it like you said like one five for programs and number seven being Council te to be part
of it yeah but still J I think you still have a problem there because the duties of the committee shall shall engage and shall consist of engaging and encouraging cultural historic and about right you'll see that for sentence so then you have five things that do that right then you have a six paragraph that
then becomes it basically its own section if I break it break it out into another section of its own now you have two sections of an ordinance describing two different sets of Duties which are all related right but you haven't really like you don't say like your visualiz all the great work you guys are doing
you don't break it out by mission statement there I think I frankly already have gone too far here um in terms of the the specificity um because you don't haven't done that in one or two right so let's say one I know you have a lot of mic now right you're doing
a lot of good stuff you haven't broken that out here specifically but you do break it out here in in six it just looks weird and it could be confusing I want to get you yes I as I always do right um so we can either expand the whole ordinance which I think
would be okay but also can you going to have an ordinance here that's longer than your land use ordinance right um or come up with some internal SC internal I'm just trying to make this as straightforward as this is fine I had no idea this was done I just did this because there was nothing else
and I just went based off a scrap of what what they were doing so so that that could be like the scope of what they did for that section yeah the I mean you just I want you guys understand it could look like strange and confusing in the code book so the remedy of that is either you take it offline from the
codebook and hope the really that's basically we've done with a beautification to many it's basically not in your code at all so you could take it offline and create like a nice scope of work uh you know mission statement type stuff which I think you'd be great with Jeremiah um based on all
six of these or I think it's the less good option you could then make like like Implement um supplement the whole part of all each of the six of them I think that the ordinance that overwhelms
the purpose my opinion you guys decide I'll spin it anyway you want right I'll spin it all day long that's going to change over the years to depend on what's going you know the mission statement will change well progress this this is not the mission statement this this could be cobbled into the mission
statement but this right here just says this is the stuff you're doing I think you're better off with the shorter one than the long gives you broad leas to go out there it becomes almost like right you just add little parts of the week in come with right don't work out because
now right now on dis ordinance you guys really are sort of kind of compelled to do all these things do you want to add even more things you're compelled to do but some things might not fire and other things might fire you're an artist Jeremiah you understand creativity comes and spurts
right it's just a suggestion I'll do at at this point guys we're we're all kind of like in sync as to what we're trying to accomplish it's just a matter of how this thing is written up now to move this forward how do we get that that
accomplished do you work with Jeremiah just to just to finish up the last little bit or or do we go with what it is right here and call it a day I mean I want process that a lot of information for the work I want you
think about it I see it making a lot of sense simple there's no real I mean there's no real all right so Jeremiah Jeremiah work work with Chris when he comes up with the final thing he'll send it to me if it's I CU I
understood this CU I went through the whole thing if it's if it's in sync you and I I'll get it together and next meeting it'll be an ordinance for introduction correctly okay all right we good yep everybody else good everybody so next meeting good yeah next meeting
all right good okay let me get back all right so moving on we have privilege of the floor on agenda Workshop items only I need a motion moot second all right all in favor all right
everybody run up come on Bob you're you're riching the go no Dave Dave you don't have any questions about that flush fun Come On Dave know the F or the moon men come
on he's gonna be up against the moon men again all right all right uh motion to close second second all in favor all right uh next we're going to go into executive session uh action will not be taken
tonight and um we have resolution 70-22 executive session motion motion second all right roll call please counc president con Council K Council Casino yes Council
denza councilman doie Council L but we got it all right we got everybody everybody uh our next meeting is on February 25th well you