really happy to see all of you here on a cold February evening um we are oh John we are recording this meeting for um anyone who wants to hear it after so
um the microphones are in the ceiling so I just ask everyone to um just stay you know peaceful and quiet while we make the presentations so everyone can can hear it uh I'm interested um so we mail letters out to owners within the study
area can you just show by raising hands who received a letter okay so it looks like the majority are owners within the study area and that's wonderful um and I do understand that there's other people here that are outside the study area but that's okay um it's it's good if you
have an interest in this project it's always good to come ask your questions and learn more about um the project so my name is enano I'm the director of planning for Middletown I have with me um Tony meranti the township
administrator and Nicholas Dickerson who's our planning consultant who is conducting the study for the township um just recently the township committee adopted a resolution directing the planning board to conduct a Redevelopment investigation study
for 70 some OD properties that are Illustrated up here on the screen and then also in the handout um so tonight we're just going to go over what that means go through the process um and and hopefully help answer any questions that
you may have um Tony would you like to say in sure um yes first of all it's great that so many people came because lots of times we do these and not too many people show up so that's a good thing um so just Nick is going to go through a more detailed explanation of
the Redevelopment process and it's a it's a it's a very legal process the state sets up very specific criteria as to what you have to investigate um but I'm going to talk about a little bit about why you why you do revelop investigation so those of us who have
lived here a long time like I have most of you have I'm sure um we're all familiar with with the junction and we're we're familiar with the fact that you know there are times when businesses turn over quite a bit there's there's it's not very walkable um it's uh it's
not very easy to get from one uh side of the road to the other um in a lot of cases there's minimal sidewalks um so and let's face it all the buildings the businesses are old for the most part old obvious the veterans housing project being built will be will be the newest
building there but most of the building buildings there are quite old and so one of the things you one of the reasons you do a Redevelopment investigation is to try to come up with with ways and and and incorporate the particularly the property owners in this case most of the business owners and say well what do you
need what would make it better what would make it things better for your for your businesses to thrive um is it Aesthetics is it taxes is it parking and maybe all those things um so that's the purpose of this so so to be clear one thing's for sure there's no project and
there's no proposed building project of anything uh that's not what this is all about this is all about identifying an area that's kind of old kind of has could use a shop the arm basically to get it back to to maybe where it once was at one time you know one of the
things that we all know that that's changed the business world the business model is that retail uh uses are changing right there's no more big stores anymore uh and it's harder and harder for retailers to stay in business because of online shopping and the ease
of that so we're see a lot of shops turning over because it's hard to stay competitive when people can buy products um online so easily so but we also don't want to lose it we don't want to lose the small businesses we don't want to lose the character of of that area and we want to try to come up with a way to
enhance it so that's what this is all about investigate the the properties that are really uh have issues um and then decide what are we going to do about it how are we going to make it better and one other thing that's not specifically related to what we're going to discuss tonight although we we'll get
to some of these things the township also just um last year re received a $1.5 million grant for Campbell's Junction specifically to to look at um things like walkability accessibility uh
safety um throughout throughout the junction that that project is going to be a little bit behind this but eventually they're going to kind of work in sync because really the two things are related right the physical properties and what you're going to do with them how you can improve them and then the the roads and the streetscapes
and all those things um and make it like a cohesive neighborhood and that's what we're trying to get to is is we want to focus on on making Campbell's Junction a much better place than it already is uh we want to look at things like Aesthetics
we want to look at things like um safety U pedestrian safety in particular uh Traffic Safety also so we want we want to look at all those things in this this coming year we're going to be focusing on this and your your input is the most important part of it because you know more than we do as to what you
specifically need what you as business owners or what you as Property Owners uh would like to see happen over the next 10 years let's just say uh so that's what it's all about uh again no project is being proposed nothing's being built this is all about trying to take a look at an area and say how can we Revitalize
it and how can we make it a better place uh that that's what the whole thing's about so I I'll turn it over to Nick now he he's going to go through more of like the nuts and bolts and he he has to do this so you understand what what Redevelopment is in the law and I'll just say one other thing uh there's two ways to do Redevelopment m one of those
involves what's called condemnation you probably heard about that the other is called non- condemnation this is a non- condemnation Redevelopment investigation so you can do a Redevelopment investigation there are some places that do this particularly cities where they include the ability to buy people's
property we are not doing that that's not part of this so no properties will be acquired um unless unless it's willingly but no no property is going to be sought uh there's going to be no acquisition of land so condemnation is not a part of this process just to get that out of the way in case anyone's
concerned with that but but that I'll turn it over to thank you so the really exciting part now I get to go into the uh background of the local Redevelopment Housing law and the steps that go forward as part of a Redevelopment
study so just a quick little outline of what I'll be discussing here uh again it's really going to be rment 101 I I'll go through that and talk about the different criteria which may make a site in need of Redevelopment uh what we'll
be reviewing and then the next steps going forward so I like to show this graphic to let everyone know that this is just the first step in a process here so as mentioned there was a resolution that
was adopted uh directing the um this study and so we are basically in this in between area right here because then it goes before the planning board um and you have a
hearing on whatever study is you know presented to the planning board which the stud is being prepared right now so we are right here the next step then is planning board hears it at a public hearing everyone's um encouraged to
attend uh can ask questions provide comments it then reviews the planning board reviews it sends it to the governing body uh making a recommendation and then the governing body decides whether or not an area is deemed in need of
Redevelopment again nothing is changing up there the next step is any sites that are determined to be in need if there's any sort of Redevelopment PL of Redevelopment plan is then created
and that goes through a whole additional public process because a Redevelopment plan serves as an ordinance and so there's notice there's a hearing that has to go before the planning board for master plan consistency so there's many opportunities for the public to be
involved in this process and again we are right in this area so and this is kind of where I'm going here you know we are at the very beginning and as
mentioned at the very outset of one of these studies the town has to specify whether it's a condemnation Redevelopment study or a non- condemnation Redevelopment study they can't change their mind halfway through at the beginning it esta it's a non-
condemnation Redevelopment area study now I'm going to go into the different criteria which may make a property in a read elment now now a lot of people have the misconception that it's you know a burned out building is in need of Redevelopment you know that's
just one of many different criteria that can make it eligible you have the one I'm just talking about deteriorating structures uh vacon or abandoned commercial or industrial buildings uh this one uh is something you're seeing more
and more common uh particularly as Tony mentioned changing face of retail it's harder for retailers to say in a location uh after covid you know some of these larger Office Buildings are finding that you know they just can't have tenants because people are working from
home uh you have public and vacant lands under certain criteria which I can get into if anyone wants to see the specifics um obsolete layout and design uh property ownership and title issues associated with properties uh areas that
have been affected by fires and natural disasters Urban Enterprise zones one's not going to apply uh to this area uh and then there's smart R consistency and then this section three which you know is kind of like there's like a donut
hole basically you know if you need something to affect youate a Redevelopment area so I'm assuming not everyone here wants me to read these things word by word but these are the criteria
that a site if if it meets one of these criteria it can be deemed in need of Redevelopment it doesn't need to be all of them you don't get extra points if you beet all of the criteria as long as you eat one you can be deemed to need a Redevelopment so again you have the
deterioration of buildings uh discontinuance of commercial retail um industrial properties uh publicly owned lands and vacant lands and again it's not just because it's
doesn't necessarily mean development there needs to be some other things to it whether it's of soil topography if it's you know a landlocked parcel and then you have improvements on the site that may be detrimental to the health
safety and Welfare of the community and then property and title issues one I'm not going to read e quite and then you have the ones that have been properties that have been damaged by natural disasters but it has to be more than just one property it has to be
at least five acres the Urban Enterprise Zone criteria and if the designation of delineated are is consistent in smart growth planning principles so want to just go through how we're going to be conducting this
study so some of this is already underway we look at a lot of different data here we look at Statewide data to see if there's a history contamination in the area we look to see if there's uh various impediments to development whether or not you know maybe property
is covered by a flood plane uh areas have been damaged by storms you know one thing we looked to see was was their damage from superstorm Sandy we look to see if there's other impediments that may inhibit ability uh to be developed and so we look at a lot
of different factors from that 30,000 foot L um and then also show some pictures um we'll look at that we look at tax records we look at you know if there's a history of building violations on the
site we we want to know everything about these properties one thing that we will be doing is we will be conducting uh site visits uh just to see what it looks like on the ground to understand the conditions of the area we look at like I said
contamination we look at flood hazards um these are just some of the preliminary Maps we've developed we look to see again like tax records to see if certain um stores have had or businesses have had extended
vacancies and some of these are some of the information that we have p in terms of this type of data you know if it's historic property police records building permits and so we take that information
well our next steps here we will be conducting site visits we're thinking in the next month or so and it's a little difficult to plan around these things given the weather um but hopefully within the month or so we will be going out into the field and examining these
things and trying to understand how they relate to the information that we've been digesting we then package this into a report and then we send it to the planning board uh and present it at a public hearing this this is the meeting we have here is
more of a information session where we trying to provide an overview of this process at this hearing this is where you know some the decisions will be made there will be overview of every one of these
properties and whether or not they need the criteria and again public has an opportunity to ask questions provide comments uh so again this is another opportunity to um be involved in this process so at that public hearing you
know then the planning board can decide whether or not you know we agree with these points we disagree with these points um and then decision is made and it's to the governing body for a whether or not to adopt it as you know certain
sites to be in of development and one thing I just want to show like some examples of Redevelopment Redevelopment changes based on the character of the town you know what's good in one
Community for redevelopment is not good in another community so to provide examples I don't want to show like this is what's going to be but I'm just showing an example of one project our firm has been involved with just to show you know we had an abandoned commercial building in Union I believe it was a
Merc facility and now it is a pretty vibrant commercial Mi Center again giant tracted land so this is probably not something that's being you know would be anticipated but just to show what read Al can help to do it can
take a property that is not working necessarily and try to find something that is custom tailored to a specific property and so again you know Redevelopment can provide site specific or Area
Redevelopment plans it can be an overlay um to uh the zoning code ored underlying zoning and again the township can negotiate with designated redevelopers who may include existing property
owners and under Redevelopment also no condemnation permitted and the township can but it's not required to provide tax Pavements to encourage Redevelopment on site improvements and with that thank you all um for letting me go
through the specifics on Redevelopment have any other questions I think one of the things that's important is that to you go into this knowing that not every property is going to be determined to be eligible we just did a Redevelopment investigation on Route 36 we finished it about a year ago there was hundreds of
properties but only I think less than half actually qualified is actually a need of Redevelopment now that doesn't mean you can't include some of those other properties in a in a Redevelopment you you can there just has to be some other criteria you have to be in order
to do that so um the the interesting thing about this process is that with traditional zoning right most most of you know you're you're in a zone of some sort um but a lot of times zoning is kind ofo a broad
brush and most of many of the properties within the area couldn't possibly achieve the standards in traditional zoning um but yet many could so they they're all included in it this almost allows you to get down to the property specific level and say well maybe we
need different design standards or building standards for this property versus this property even though they're in the same area but they're very different one's an acre the other one's a quarter of an acre so you can't apply the same standards to both those properties because it doesn't it makes it impossible so the the whole idea is
to get it more tailored to the individual properties to try to make it realistic for them to revitalize themselves whether it's you know put on another floor do an addition whatever might be to improve that property um it lets you develop standards that are more tailor to the properties themselves
rather than trying to force the properties to conform with uh ordinances that probably aren't going to be applicable to them so that's that's one of the reasons it's done it gets it gets down to the almost the sight specific um criteria um so that's Mr larka how are
you tonight have a seat does anyone have any questions or comments sir yes sir when when the planning board gets a reel plan for review will all the residents within 200
ft be notified yeah so I was just going over with Nicholas the the noticing requirements I believe we had to do our homework on it but there's two notices for the hearing and I don't I don't know if it goes to
everyone in the study area the site plan the site plan would require the 200 for site plan but steps away steps away from that so the study for the study there's a notice in the newspaper could there's one 20 days out
from the date of the hearing and then 10 days out from the date of the hearing but there's not going to be a notice directly to the owners in the study area or within that 200 feet it's a that's what I think is but I'm going to I'll make sure I'll take your name at the end
and get you to legal correct answer for the noticing of the study area the hearing for the study area there's going to the notice once this goes to the planning board to be reviewed and considered for
approval I have to get the correct legal answer for the notice there's no 200 foot notice it's not like a a traditional site plan or a subdivision I think it goes Township wide it's either Township wide or to the owners in the study area I I have to
check on that now we're all sitting here we all got notified about this notified again yes well okay but I I did this was a courtesy to the owners in the study study area for information
so this process is according to the local Redevelopment and Housing law which lays out the noticing requirements so very nice presentation you should make copies so everybody can go home and look over what we can we can do
that get a copy that they read and they can do their own investigation on okay because you are involved in people's pres right and this is why we're having this area right behind businesses okay
so with that being said I know exactly what's going on and no yeah who the residents really going to be affected by and I have a funny feeling my area would be are you in the study area or just or
outside yeah okay well that's why we're here tonight talking about it right to be well that's what so that's what Tony was referring to so of the 70 some OD properties in the study area not all the
properties are going to qualify as an area in need of Redevelopment Nicholas is going to go property by property okay to determine whether each property qualifies I tell you one I know certain properties already without having stud
just knowing what you want to do qualify so that being said we know that I mean if if youve driven through Campell Junction enough everybody in here has right you know that there are properties that are really in bad shape no not B shap there are there are someone some
that are in very bad shape but I'm just saying but but a house on a property that's maintained that somebody's living in is not going to qualify you're not going to be included in it it just really because because you're within
Campbell's Junction is mostly in a Zone called B1 and even some of the Residential Properties are in that business Zone uh because that was just the way the boundary was drawn many many years ago so anybody who was in that zone we included knowing that some of you are just living single family houses
it's not going to change unless you want to sell your house and turn into a business then you know nothing's going to change so we still have to notify you well can we ourselves yeah you can just tell us they're going to do the investigation they're G they will probably determine
if your house uh is is a a house that's in good shape they're going to say you're not you're not eligible so Ian well it's according to the criteria dilapidated dilapidated you know when you see it for the most part
right which one aband could be yeah yeah well physical physical deterioration is is part of it um you know there there's houses in that area that you know are are are not in good
shape there's properties that aren't in good shape but and they they may they may qualify um but there's plenty that won't probably probably half of them won't yeah yes um you keep referring to this area as Campbell's Junction does
Hampshire um belred LLC have anything to do with this well their their properties in it yeah okay so it's owned by somebody it was County Land correct no no 516 and that wasn't that at one point0 County and Hampshire bord LLC
came in who are who you representing ni I just with Coline there are consultant no the you talking about the Hampshire property where the next to the old Wells Wells Fargo I believe from what I read it was a larger section that was purchased by
Hampshire Bel yeah but not from the county it was just private property who really owns this who owns what a lots of different people every most of the people in here it's all it's all the property owners within campus Junction
are included and invited I was just wondering who was Hampshire bford LLC they I think they're just one property owner yeah they one property owner now on these buses are you going build [Music]
up for affortable housing well they're allowed to do that now right it's already allowed to build build uh Apartments but this has nothing to do with affordable housing this that's a whole different SE separate subject the idea here is to try to talk work with the property owners and say what would
help your property be be have like long long-term viability you know uh what do you need and it it may not be building anything it may be just making them look nicer maybe he's coming up with an architectural theme for the for the neighborhood that you know you see in
certain downtown areas it could it could simply be that this is day one and we want to hear from Individual Property Owners about what you think would be good for you uh to see for your bu business to thrive yeah properties
on and what beain that's the type of thing we want to hear you know tangible you know what would help your property which property is yours right M 10 bridge is being done the opposite side you the
behind that need people [Music] [Music] Park parking in a lot of a lot of Redevelopment areas you'll find that parking is like a big issue um you know places older places like like Campell
Junction most properties have don't have as much parking as they could really use um some have plenty but some and that that's always a challenge is is having access to enough parking where you know you don't want customers to want to come to your place not be able to find a
place to park and then just keep yell that's what we don't want to have happen yeah [Music] [Music] you're talking about business improvement district yeah they have that in red back like no that's not been
discussed well well here's the thing though what happens in a business improvement district is that they take um a percentage of the tax and and it can has to be dedicated to being resent in that neighbor the increase in tax you
don't you don't have to have an increase in tax you can do what's called a tax increment where you know over time your taxes everyone's taxes go up right hav gone down in my memory so they go up but once you create a business Improvement just let's just say your taxes were you know $1,000 a
year if the next year they go up to $1,200 a year that 200 increment has to be spent back within the within the district that's that's one way to do it El no you wouldn't no you would
not no we're not talking about that at all yeah um during this whole process now till the Finish do you at some pointor a traffic study to see if this is going to affect the surrounding
area part of part of the um investigation remember I told we got a million and a half dollar Grant to look account part of that will be a traffic investigation yeah I'm very concerned because my husband and I have worked at real lives to P our property and my home is very
very close to the road which one Church Street and mville road if you were to widen the road and further you would have to condemn our home and we'd have no place to go I actually think one of the possibilities is that Leonard B Road
would be narrow instead of widen um because if you think about it uh if you're on um let's just say the 711 side of lville road you see all those Le Leonville Leonville road is a County
Road and their RightWay is enormous it goes way into the properties in fact the properties on um where Naples is most of their parking is actually in the rway of lville Road why because it was an Old Trolley line the Old Trolley line used
to run along along Main Street and then leonardville out to um uh to uh East Road um and so there's a very very wide right away Maine and leonardville I don't think it needs to be as wide it's
never going to be widened so if anything the road might the right way might might narrow but that's part of the study but I don't see anybody's any roads getting any wider thank you now what about the properties that have the EAS that go
through such as my property on rille road there's an EAS if you go to my house and say hey uh we have X am matter of if you're going to take from me are you going to take from everybody else Along on eement
also I don't think I don't see anybody's property getting taken okay only technically your property line is which is yours I'm 527 green but I'm on the corner of hilling green and along rville
Road there is e goes from East and also I was not notified which I am in the study I never received we only got one letter that came back I did not I don't know if it was never sent but I never I heard from my friends
about the meeting tonight but I'm just wondering if you're going to take say you to come to me and say oh well we could do this make the house on my where the property that I've maintained bir since 1988 1977 since the house was
built my family if you're are if you're going to take from one are you going to take from all like you guys decide that oh we we have this amount of land long long that's all County County know
that's all County but how does that impact the like the homeowners along under of the road that the right of way I'm Leonard bill is way wider than it needs to be so if anything it shrink you get more property back can the county change that no I would get property
taken away because my house faces green mhm I'm a long runil but the E goes from past East road all the way through and it actually impedes everybody's property on my side on the
Valentino uh wasman side of the road so how would that are we at risk to lose that property home E I would say no that's highly unlikely to happen ultimately you're right county has the ultimate say they're
over town is what is they do we work with them on a lot of stuff and they don't need any more roads to maintain or wi roads maintain if anything it'll be it'll be narrower so I I would say that's low odds but they'll be a part of the process but that was my
concern planning on taking that e Property to make low-income housing or this has nothing to do with low-income housing or anything like that or any any kind anybody else yeah I just mentioned the county has reduced speed limit on
multiple County Roads 25 miles an hour in Keyport and Union Beach and other areas and the criteria that we've been able to get the Chang implemented on was the fact that the distance from the front door of a house to the
curb was not large and so the county that was the key in getting the speed limits reduced in some of the houses you open the front door and the
kids jump out they're 10 feet and they're into the curb into the street and uh that's just not a safe issue um the other thing I want to press is that um when when you when your document is referred to the planing board it's got
to be available to the public 10 days before the hearing even even greater 20 days 20 days that's right now the other really significant issue how I don't live in how will I get information about
the fact that weing is taking place it'll be on our website it'll be in a newspaper remember those things it's on the website can it be part of the
times can it be part of the if you sign for the alerts through the Middletown Township website can it be part of those alerts the newsletter anything like that can we make that happen well so we have every I don't if you signed up for a
Middletown minute every Friday we put out right yep we would anytime something like this is coming up we always put a blurb in there about something is coming up with the date so I'm sure it will be be notified there because I looked all over for this meeting and there was nothing about this meeting anywhere in
the middle we made a statement on Friday and then pushed it out again on social media today um this meeting was meant for the owners within the stud area which Weil a personal letter so yes we apprciate I think green might if you're on the other side of Green Green might
be the boundary line you might be one house outside no because it's said from East Road it said from East Ro she had said East there there's a there's a gap from um the only thing that's on e Road that's included is is
the empty jcpnl building that's right and I'm literally one block but it's just that that building but that building but nothing between Campell struction and the so that's why you yeah time remember just so the recording
comes anybody hasn't asked a question yet Roger questions one is um it looks like the church property is not included is that some like a legal issue tax issue or something Mary's no
l it's just not included no legal issue included in the study area everyone else there's no specific reason then um you know it's not a question well the CH the church would definitely not qualify
as need to Rel it it doesn't need to be looked at it's um you know it's a church that's still functioning still used and you know if it was dilapidated or something the property was really run down you may have included it but because it's wellmaintained uh it just
wasn't included take a it's not the parking lot though just it's the structure itself it's the building itself that doesn't mean we can't we can't you know address issues there I think the criteria said I'm sorry there's a lot of buildings that would be
exempt use that criteria kept up so I I just don't know why that was left out I don't have any issue with it but it just seems odd that the large property was the second thing I like to put this into your head it's the junction between
um Church Street Leonville that's got to be fixed that's that's death waiting to [Music] happenes know people don't stop there the street all the time that that there there's obviously
we all know there's a couple of SE that are crazy that's one the other one is right next to the U the ice cream place there really really tough and and that's that's part of the traffic investigation we're going to be doing is I'll inv how how do you how do you fix those things
and make them safer um it's not easy you know it's there aren't Simple Solutions to all these things um but that's part of what we're doing is try to minimize those kind of situations right there um
3 all the wayc you have Park here on Church Street you have stary school with the kids you have people walk at dogs and you have people flying on the opposite side of the road because so bad as well as one way has
the 25 one5 and so basically we go up at 36 church street5 and then I have when the kids are present by school we say put that
20 7:00 in the morning people doing 45 [Music] miles yeah so once once the bridge is reopened we can do a speed study there we the speed monitor out there and see what people are [Music]
[Music] doing crazy there and that's where we live you stop that stop you look your right that's our home probably we're not allowed to talk about tickets and revenue you're not allowed to talk have that conversation yeah we're at 174 lville so
we're diagonally across the old pcast and we're on the sidewood sidewalks the sidewood sidewalks have no hurs M and you talk about safety we have the walk until you walk and you always
have cars that can't wait to make their left hand turn go down they ride right up on the side so I mean that's really and our my driveway is the 40 mile hour sun and then you go it's hopping and
then it's East Road and you got a red light so I mean you can just speed up for about one block and then have to stop and then you got the school yeah we we'll definitely look at the speed issues the police department do a study we can get them started now on letter bille
church have to wait and not during the UN peak hours because everybody knows here when you're driving rush hour it's literally you're you're like I just can't wait to get home no they they they they do those studies they do those over 24 hours
[Music] we'll do the we'll we'll do the study yeah is this going to force people to have to rovate for nothing Force anybody to do anything you know the whole idea is to try to do things cooperatively and you
know uh people don't want to participate do anything the properties no to do anything right well one of the things that is a possibility down the road is that um and and we did this some years ago but remember before when Campbell
Junction first got the traffic light and the township did the decorative street lights and the bricks and stuff we got that through a grant and that included 50% Mass to renovating your building um that may something like that may may be available again in future so that's
that's still a alwayss away on Lem excuse been there for two three years maybe you can't walk around that corner and if somebody is trying to cross it there
there's no no way a car can see somebody okay I'll look into it for me especially com from the highway they people take a right hand turn except they don't take a right turn to go they just go like this so if you
come way you know there's been car accidents there not major ones but people don't look and they just come right out well that's that's what all this is about is to identify those kinds of issues and try to fix
them so first thanks for putting this together I've looked here now for four years five years and it's nice to hear are basically my neighbors and hearing their concerns I have a 10 month old and a lot of their
concerns in fact me is having family I think for sure be highly recommended com out here to include that traffic plan here at the corner it's hard to see on here but you got a lot of issues on with
the bridge out you had it when modern day was happening but you have an issue there too it's AAR intersection no stops I think it's the same block over so everything I think the group here is saying coincides with what we're trying to do
here because your surrounding areas are impacting what's happening find people are taking you know way to get to where they want to go and listen I am glad someone finally said that church stre issue because I saw it and I laugh
because it's a huge down and something like that is like why because you have a major school here with modern day you have also I guess the St Mary's Elementary so from my perspective I think that's included um to kind of help gather some
more I've been on three Redevelopment projects on private sector so I understand a little bit of what's going on here um but inous kind of like two things one what's the next step in terms of time frame I heard nichas from your presentation we what not to do your
studies be wor you know hearing what the group you're saying if there's another opportunity to reconvene or there's this does impact a lot I would think whatever happens here coincides with the goals of the township
here protecting the open space and having major condos and all this so obviously a lot of this is and this to me is like the center of middle there's really no Center but seeing the group here and being one who J walks across
Leonard Road to walens which unfortunately is closing about six weeks I'm sure some people middle of March they announc I think that woses so yeah start damp to see what kind of reconvening we
can do for this because again I think there's a lot of opportunity I told again um again I've been on three private on so I get it get the content I truly get it um but just want to curious on email you as well but
again this won't be the last meeting be detail street street street names are on there it's just when you have when you have 70 some OD properties you have to zoom out far enough where to include them all and that's why I apologize for
the cover of this presentation you know something's got blocked out but we do have street names here um and the report we'll try to make it much more clear for people to see but just
providing an overview at this point if we we'll we'll post this on our website you you you'll be able to zoom in on on the map on your computer if you want to look it that way too yeah I have two questions on the site Vis it I we don't need to be present no they're going to
be exterior um and the second is will we be able to see the results prior to the um report being drawn up as a recommendation like I I've done the reading and I know there's a grid and what the criteria is we be able to see our lot in Block yeah I mean the plan
will be posted online before that's part of the 20 days thank you I appreciate your ucation it'll be posted before your approvals and then we just come and you let us know that's what I so there'll be a notice 20 days before
the hearing and it'll go the draft plan will be posted with the notice and then and any meetings in between by the planning board will be announced um yeah if there is yes okay all right thank you very
much we have everybody who's got a business within the or property within the district give us your email I have yeah may I just yes please everyone please sign up in the back You' like to create an email list so we can let you know as things develop sir can I answer
your question about the notice I have the answer it's and it's good news actually and I'm sorry I didn't have it correct the first time so the public notice goes in the newspaper a notice of the hearing must be mailed to every property owner within
the proposed Redevelopment area so ma' that goes to your concern you will get mailed notice of the hearing okay um at least 10 days prior to the hearing so there you go so you will get
notice again for the hear yes I had a problem my neighbor had a problem garbage P from the bus businesses are not secur down and we had
rats I don't like RS what happen is I had to pay for an exterminator R over my when went into my garage now they came down and they were very upset espe one
man who supposed to do the initial checking on available and I had some other man give me third degree as to why I called him I called him because I was now you can go back behind those
businesses and you can find Phil now there are rats there not knowing that seven that 7-Eleven had a problem also with rats in the garbage now I'm a taxpayer I had to go out and
pay over $5,000 on the inside and the outside of my property so that brass can't dig their way into my arm or into my garage how are you going to make more businesses and for the homes that are
encompassed in these businesses safe from rats and anything else businesses don't secure down and take care of well I mean that's an Enforcement issue we don't needel Enforcement issue will go on with
present what yes there's no doubt that like trash trash collection is an issue if you you know obviously right behind Valentinos they always have a dumpster in their parking lot behind Dunkin Donuts they have a dumpster there's no
really good coordinated way everyone has to have their own dumpster but that's part of the problem but one of the things we were hoping to we could do through this further study that we're doing is maybe there's a way to create some common you know trash enclosure areas so that multiple businesses can
utilize the same space so there aren't dumpsters everywhere that always get left open right that's that's a a problem uh so track no doubt that that little Midway the little road that goes behind um uh the Florest and the pharmacy it's called technically called
Midway that road um uh that it's a it's a big side back there right and and uh we we want to get all of those things kind of included in this get them all addressed it should be so ugly and unattractive and filthy back there but people need a place to get rid of their
trash and recycl people everything on our yard and we up one more thing I had two stop signs put on the property many years ago here in my house almost 60 years they come down they come
down drive like on race track now my home was hit three times one before I own I purchased it two other the times while I lived in my children were small we finally get a stop sign off so
had to do a survey we have a problem with young drivers mostly I would like to say speak eating now I get hit again if we come right through my bedroom
windows because my house somehow many years ago unknown to me before I bed was put too close to the street somehow someone who owned that house prior to me got an build because
the property was fairly large they should have had what they wanted to put houses on it and of course one of my neighbors found out about he went out and petition and he stopped it so now my house is very close to Street on Maple
Drive there is no way you can put a sidewalk there there is a sidewalk on the side now you got to remember I have school buses on my corner I have letting the children on let the children on some some the going to get
because nobody's there to clock these people that are coming down at these speeds nobody's doing speed there is no speed limit list but you're going to have a tragedy it's only matter so you better do the survey there
they come out they write a letter they do something nothing they came out some violations complaints apparently there's no complaints to sign they lost their their Garbage Contract they were just taking garbage bags and garbage thr over the
fence I had [Music] stop signs and Woodland in Woodlands we've had two accidents within six months one car went
just barely missed a house it hit a tree they were flying and then we just recently our latest one um was not pretty either and years ago when I called for stop sign at an uncontrolled corner I said can we get a stop sign it doesn't
warrant one because there hasn't been any fatalities yet and me come on how much is a stop sign course we want that corner fix and we want the corner of Union and maple a stop sign also and we want new lines painted so everybody
could be a little bit more safe we have a lot of um you know the increased population over the years Co got take necessary safety measures you know it's changing you got to keep
up with the changeing any worse just just be clear we've had no increase in population our population hasn't changed barely more than a thousand people in about 30 years but it CH I'm just telling you if you look at our go back and look at the census look at our population it's barely changed in
the last 30 years and the number of school children has gone down dramatically just just just look go to go us census.com and.go I it is and look people don't believe it but our our our population has barely barely moved in 30
years that's a different thing how many how many how many people here when you were a kid did you automatically get a car no not when I was kid maybe one out of 10 kids that I knew had a car now every kid gets a car as soon as they turn 16 and a half don't they right on
top of that when I was a kid not every household had a two worker household now they do so right there you triple the number of cars on the road without adding a single person and your parents didn't pick you up at school and your parents didn't sit there an hour early waiting for you to get out of school pick your ass
up if it was a blizzard I wouldn't get picked up to get back to this thing so if your property meets the criteria how are you notified you're notified individually do you you know down with the planning board it's going to be part of the planning board process okay but
are you notified well this like so the study will be posted 20 days before the hearing yeah so you'll have and you're going to be given notice mailed to you for the hearing date and if you want to look at the plan it'll be available at the planning department and then I'll
post it on our website too no but if your whether it qualifies or not and what criteria it qualifies under okay it'll be very specific okay yeah thank you yes the the town I live in has dumpster
enclosure criteria and the any dumpster has to be enclosed in a structure that's at least 8 ft High and the structure has so that somebody who wants to put stuff in the dumpster can go in a side door
and when the dumpster is going to be emptied by the truck their front doors are open and it's been extremely effective in addition since you have to build a structure it's very easy to get multiple businesses to go together to share the
dumpster I can't imagine why there's any excuse for what I'd heard tonight well the part part of the issue is that places like you know Campbell Junction have evolved over 100 plus years and they're individ very small individual
properties and so not everyone has the space to build an enclosure with you know a nice brick enclosure with the gates on it it's a nice idea but they don't have room they they lose some of their vital parking if they built one of those so I'm just saying it I agree with you we had Shar dumpsters well I agree
but but that that's where that's why we're doing this we want to try to encourage people to start sharing dumpsters start sharing clothes but again it gets complicated right because now who's paying for the collection how do you know who is whose you have to have multiple dumpsters within a single enclosure so it's not as easy as it as
it seems especially when you're dealing with small businesses who maybe that's that's an expense they can't afford that's that's why we don't have multiple dumpsters within the enclosure M Small multiple small businesses share the dumpster and share the cost in a strip
mall that things like that can work not a strip mall because you know a landlord can take care of that but it's it's just hard to do on individual properties without being a burden on a small business I agree the problem should be solved I just you a model go to the key or I I could write that ordinance it
doesn't mean everyone's going to comply with it we can you can have we have an ordinance that requires enclosures for dumpsters but most of these businesses existed before there was Zing regulations so they're their grandfather so until they do something to radically change their property they're not subject to all the new rules so that's
that's part of the issue I I would think a representative of the Township we want to hear what the residents had to say and execute a plan that's what we're doing that's why we're here anyone anyone else yes it depends on your lease depends on the way your lease is
structured yeah but he could still the property owners least could still say the tenant's responsible for maintaining you know trash collection or doing their own trash collection that that sort of thing so it depends on how your lease is structured I is that's a possibility
yeah that would be very helpful can you guess where we live gotta figure it [Music] [Music] out obvious that's that's the old jcpnl building
became aast building JC building yeah I mean the owners of that have been trying to sell it for a long time now uh that's one I'm pretty confident is going to qualify because it's been empty for how many years now many years so that will that will qualify but again what's the right thing to do with that property you
know well even if someone cleans it up they're going to use it for something so and that's again maybe people should share their thoughts on what what you'd like to see go there it's not going to be a park I tell you that because it's not clean and there's a substation right next to it so it's not going to be Recreation but what would you like to
see go there and it's got to be realistic though the property owner right he's not going to give it away so what realistically would would the community like to see happen with that property he want a lot of money for it too who doesn't real estate
realate outrageous in this right so so you know so it's again not problem to solve whatever's going to get proposed there some people going to hate it and some people are going to be okay with it and that's the way it goes so we've been here about an hour I feel like a lot of
hopefully a lot of your questions answered any other questions just another note on safety Traffic Safety yeah leonardville Road and drift okay okay a lot of people F Lille Road turn
on to drift right by the ice cream place there there's a lot of kids there yeah and fly onto a drift Road and somebody's going to right that into the eating area ice or kids just walking along the
street there a really tight and especially you know when they're picking up the kids in the morning at St Mary's and stuff like that's definitely one of the one of the worst intersection so
[Music] one point there was a long time ago there was some discussion about making it a culdesac so you couldn't turn on to from L bille that's a possibility until Scotty's moved in and that was going to be the cuac but so uh but something like
that you know dead ends are generally not a good idea for fire access and things like that but you know maybe maybe there there a way to do something like [Music] that basically all the streets along Camp Junction would have to be accessed
through one way or the other my street it's the same thing it's cut through you go to Clinton Avenue they don't go they don't cut through Clinton but they cut down Green they come down Main Street from the highway they shoot up our street they fly down our street so it's not just one street that's impacted by
traffic pretty much all the street neighbors tell you know we people people want speed bumps all time until they actually have them and then they want to get rid of them because speed bumps first of all bicyclist get hurt on them all the time in the at night but the
other thing about it is so that speed bump is going to be outside somebody's house and they're going to hear a thump all night and they W that's why you that's why you won't see them public streets they they generally people hate them once they're in there because they make so much noise
but something needs to be done there's other ways of doing traffic cing slowing people down uh to you know could be effective but uh you have to rip them out all the time you do that yeah as soon as they go in people want them out people want them
out it's one of those things it's it's it's a a go-to answer you know put a speed bump in people hate them as soon as they going the city cause lots of problems uh a side road uh on drive my property board is I'm on 429 M and that
little side road there's a sign post up there that says it's a private driveway but yet I have garbage trucks and beer trucks that try to go down that road and they're constantly driving on my property is what that the one by the The Body
Shop i b i b to M The Body Shop the barber shop and that whole there and you're saying trucks are USIC all the the owner could close it all it's not property I believe it belongs to Body Shop there is a chain
that goes across yeah come in off of Maple and sometimes back in back in and then they'll unload the beer or pick up the garage garbage dumpsters and then when they're coming out the corner of my property is
constant we can talk to the property about that they should change it again because it should be just for their use wondering if we could recommend that young fellow that was up and told us he was involved in several Redevelopment projects to be a
leaon to represent Bel because he's young and he's got energy and he's got he is concerned so let me let me ask you let's ask you a question about can't um is one possibility is forming
like a subcommittee that could be like delais on to the bigger groups because it's hard to get this many people together frequently right because everyone's got lives um so if if there's no objection we could say form a subcommittee of what say nine people
eight or nine people or something like that who could be the main people we work with you know uh and then periodically have bigger bigger group meetings I mean is that anybody object to that idea I think it would be beneficial for the
residents don't you come on yeah hey we get a free dinner out of this and one of the fany it's called siss we know our wor Tony we know our wor [Music]
if you're if you're interested in being on some type of committee like that on the sign up sheet why don't you just put a star next to your name and then um form it from that I can start something idea right so this way the communication lines are open
right we're not like saying have you heard anything have you heard yeah well hopefully everyone put their email on there um if you didn't you know you can always send your email to Amy am's emails online and um you know but I
will say this has just been great how many people how many people sh so you're a real estate agent right you should be on it and and everyone in