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For the record, it is hereby advised that the notice of this meeting was made as required by law, that this meeting is to take place at the Melbourne Aquatic Center at 7:00 p.m. on July 14th, 2026. Meeting details in the draft agenda are also posted on our Township website.

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Please all stand to salute the flag. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Welcome to the meeting.

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Right, roll call, please. >> Mr. Cohen? >> Here. >> Mr. Cosgrove? >> Here. >> Mr. Cerrudo? >> Here. >> Mr. Stolar? >> Present. >> Mayor Sekamandi? >> Here. >> Thank you. >> All right. A reminder that both draft resolution 26-180,

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first reading of draft ordinance 27-60-16, have been removed from consideration this evening. Uh with that said, may I have a motion to approve the agenda? >> Motion. >> I have a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Aye. >> Minutes. May I have a motion to approve

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the June 2nd, 2026 Township Committee regular meeting minutes? >> Motion. >> I have a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Aye. >> We have a motion to approve the June 2nd, 2026 special Township Committee meeting minutes. >> Motion.

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>> I have a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Aye. >> May I have a motion to approve the June 18th, 2026 Township Committee meeting minutes? >> Motion. >> I have a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor?

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>> Aye. >> We have a motion to approve June 18th, 2026 special Township Committee meeting minutes. >> Motion. >> I have a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Aye. >> Great. Reports.

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We're going to begin. I first like to take a moment to recognize our business administrator, Alex McDonald, who is celebrating 10 years of service as our business administrator. Alexis' steady leadership and institutional knowledge has been invaluable to this township and the ad

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hoc committee. I want to say thank you for a decade of dedicated service. Uh I also want to give a quick update on cell coverage. Residents have been raising concerns about poor cell service in Short Hills for years. Township committee has already authorized a new tower on JFK Parkway and several pulling

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up in small cells, but service is still an issue in parts of town. A few weeks ago, I had the opportunity to engage a senior development director at Verizon Wireless. So, I put out an announcement on social media asking residents to give me data on specific areas of concern. I received over 100 responses with

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specific and helpful data, which I compiled into a heat map and detailed report that I'll be sending to Verizon. The Verizon director is committed to getting this data directly to his R&D team for review. I made it clear he wants to try and help improve coverage. While he can't guarantee any outcome,

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having a high-level Verizon director engaged on this review is a very promising start. Um Finally, I have some good news regarding the 9 Main Street project. After more than 2 years of litigation, I am pleased to report that the township and RPM have

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reached an agreement in principle to move the affordable housing project off the DPW site at 9 Main Street and onto township owned property Verizon corporate from the back site newly acquired on Slattery. So, for those of you that aren't aware, the property

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between the Hearth and town hall is a empty municipal parking lot. That's that's the area that we'd be moving the project to. Pat Bender Stoler and I, along with township legal counsel, personally met with RPM's principals and their counsel on multiple occasions to reach this

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agreement. The proposed development It 93 total residential units, 75 deed-restricted affordable rental units consistent with the original nine Main Street proposal, and 18 market rate units. It also includes commercial and retail space on

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the ground floor. The market rate units will generate new pilot revenue for the Township from property that is currently tax-exempt. This agreement will resolve two issues that concerned a lot of residents throughout the original plan. First, it moves the affordable housing off the site with a documented history of adult

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building contamination, which removes the risk of future health-related litigation the Township could have faced down the road. Second, because this is now a mixed-income development rather than a 100% affordable project, it's no longer an income-segregated development. Affordable and market rate units will be

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part of the same building and community. We are now working to finalize the settlement documents. Once that's complete, we'll release the full settlement documents and terms to the public in advance of a special meeting later on this month. That meeting is tentatively scheduled for July 29th, but

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pay attention to the Township notices page when we put out the official announcement. At that meeting, the agreement will be presented in detail, and the public will be given opportunity to comment, and then the committee will vote. We'll also issue a full press release once all of the documents have been finalized.

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We are not prepared to get into the specific financial terms tonight. Those will be laid out in full once the documents are finalized, but I do want to make one point clear. The overall cost to the Township under this agreement is comparable to what we would pay if we did the nine Main Street project now. Overall, this is a very big

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win for Millburn, uh and uh we're we're delighted uh that we're able to uh uh All right. Uh next up, uh Keith Serruto. >> Okay, good evening. Uh I hope

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everybody's having a wonderful summer and staying hydrated, enjoying our Township facilities, our pool, uh and uh unbelievable recreational facilities. And excited that we'll be adding to

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those even in the next few months. Want to shout out the concert series. It was great to participate and announce with Greg Burman the other day for any dead heads in the room you missed out on a great show. Grateful Dead

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Deadman's Jed I believe is the name. Short Hills train station pedestrian safety work is continuing to be discussed internally. We had multiple information sessions

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and looking to come to final decision shortly. Thank you to the police fire DPW first aid squad rec department and town hall for their support. Um making this year's 250th celebration of

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independence. Black board an amazing success. So thank you very much Alex in particular for his team. Um and On the agenda tonight we'll be talking about a shade tree ordinance as well as

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an art ordinance which is very exciting. Um And that is the end of my report. >> Deputy Mayor Cosgrove >> Thank you Mayor. I think four matters to report on the

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HPC historic preservation has its next meeting on July 21st. I think there's three matters on. The second item I want to report on is on for later tonight which is the community service award committee.

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As I mentioned earlier that two meetings ago maybe they did have their meeting. They elected officers and we're going to be talking later tonight about the ordinance to clarify, you know, how that committee's going to be set up. Um I don't want to steal Mr. Stohler's, but

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the open space committee uh had a meeting. Um the shade tree committee had applied for a a grant of $25,000 to to fix up the um the rain garden in Taylor Park. Um and uh then carried it was discussed and

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then carried to the next meeting uh so we could get a representative from shade tree there to answer, you know, some of the questions that we had. Um Let's see. The last one is um I wanted to report back on you I had uh been investigated

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uh who made the telephone call to the police department in Millburn uh accusing me and others of uh handing out literature and taping a poster to the wall uh at the uh Millburn train station. I now have the incident report. I have the actual

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recording of the person who made the call. Um there's no doubt in my mind who made the call. Um but um I'm waiting for some additional documentation and I'll release that to the table at some point with you. Thank you, Mayor.

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Any other comment? >> I don't have much. I mean it's my committee's had to take this off our off, but uh we continue to work on this zoning uh subcommittee. One of the proposals I have now one of them was supposed to be on tonight, but we'll be on at the next meeting. That's really where

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we can spend our time. >> Any other comment? >> Thank you, Mayor. >> [clears throat] >> I recreation committee uh listen, if you guys have kids in tackle football and want to play, we're now partnered with Livingston. Uh when I was a kid was young, we partnered with uh paired up

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with Springfield, uh but we're now with Livingston. Great way to get it involved in the community, etc. Uh recreation committee still we had a viewing party for the USA uh game in the World Cup. Unfortunately, the weather was somewhat inclement, but still had a nice turnout. Unfortunately, our team lost or the US lost.

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Uh SID special improvement district, we also had a World Cup kids and skills day that was a tremendous success. Big thank you to our sponsors, Playa Bowls, Guacamole, La Strada, Häagen-Dazs, Willow & Whisk, Millburn Soccer Club, Jag PT, uh CS of Goalkeeper Academy, Art

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of Living Millburn, Musicology, Sonia Sonia Margulies of Compass Realty and Millburn-Short Hills EMS, uh who had their ambulance on site for all the tours, etc. It was just a tremendous success. Big shout out to everyone. Uh there we had a lot of local coverage in New York

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on C100, KTU, 104.3. A lot of people showed up. I think it was over 400 uh participants. Uh at Explore, we also created an interactive World Cup retail and restaurant guide. If you haven't had that for residents, it shows a single

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place to find everything happening in Millburn-Short Hills. Uh you can get that off the uh website as well. Um then also too, I want to re-emphasize this, the music in the courtyard series, uh you know, kind of the old township plaza with the town with town hall plaza

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being under renovation, we've moved it to between uh Ben and uh like Ben & Jerry's ice cream and uh that courtyard uh Mr. Heller's courtyard uh right there. It was fantastic, well well attended this week.

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We went to eat at Lemon and uh heard the music was great. So, I think we just keep doing that. We had three new businesses that opened up in town, Aroma's, Home Carpet and Flooring where that lighting was on the corner of Millburn and uh Main, uh The Life Millburn, and Autumn Moon Studio. Uh Uh,

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and um uh they're going to, they are the ribbon cutting for Aroma was on July 8th and Life Millburn will be on July 15th. Finance Committee. 2026 state aid uh, remained unchanged to $1,402.

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Uh, it represents no increase from the prior year. Uh, 2026 tax rate has not yet been certified by Essex County, but should be done so uh, quickly and then the uh, 2025 municipal audit is currently being finalized, expected to be presented uh,

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in the TC's August meeting. BOE, Board of Education. All buildings and grounds are under repair and maintenance. If you drive by our high school, you see all the workers out there. They're actually uh, repairing the roof. Uh, you know, I've got a lot of questions on that, what's going on. Uh, five-year strategic plan is well

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underway with actionable and measurable items. Uh, and by the way, I don't know if anybody saw it today, but um, uh, the uh, AP scores and performance, advanced placement exams, uh, all that information was presented. Uh,

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it was an incredible year. Uh, 98% of our students earned a three or higher on at least one of the exams. Uh, and just so you guys know, we went from a 2022 AP exams of 1342 to over 2400, 2400.

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Uh, so it's an impressive jump up. Uh, what else we got here? Uh, high school building improvement, everybody wants to hear about that. Bids were received today by the Board of Education. Uh, we've not heard yet the results of the of those bids, but the project will be before the planning

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board tomorrow night. Is that correct? Tomorrow night and has received and we did receive the permit from the NJDEP. Uh, and I think when I was complaining about the Woodmont project getting it so quickly and uh, them dragging their feet here, that helped a little bit.

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Uh, open space. Uh, what um, uh, Mr. Cosgrove mentioned, uh, we've carried that on. And more importantly to the Township here and anyone who's environmentally wants to lose some environmentally conscious projects, we've gotten a one submission. We have

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plenty of money to spend on the open space tax and fund advisory board. We need to start seeing some projects come in. So, please, you know, let's get that that committee going. Let's get some projects on there. Um And who sits on the EAC, from what I recall?

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Right? So, so maybe we can come and talk to the EAC about presenting that and moving that forward as well. I mean, they were big push to get it. Now, let's use it. Um And then one other update, um The Paper Mill Playhouse and the Millburn Township Public Schools

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formalized a five-year community partnership agreement. Our kids are going to receive 2,300 free student matinee tickets each year. Uh it's incredible. Uh and free educational workshops tied to performance, career-focused options.

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Everybody doesn't need to be in finance. And backstage tours. This is going to give hundreds of hundreds of Millburn students access to the professional theater and meaningful arts enrichment programs. Big thank you to the to the Paper Mill Playhouse and the Board of Education for making this

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happen. Affordable housing, thank you. Frank, it's been a long haul to get to this point. Great announcement I read tonight. Uh and everything else I'll defer to counsel. Thank you, guys. Thanks for coming out.

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>> All right, great. Public comment. Oh, sorry. Mr. McDonald. >> Uh just a few quick reports, ma'am. I just [clears throat] wanted to let the the uh the residents know that tomorrow we will be launching a refreshed website,

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municipal website, with some additional added features, including um you know, more quick links, uh better visuals, uh more ADA accessibility. As you know, that's a continued push when it comes to municipal the the websites. Um and we're getting ahead of our

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compliance uh requirement for 2028, I believe it is. So, uh just a refresh of of the website. In addition, on Thursday, our chatbot will launch. Um Uh the name is Mil-E, like kind of like

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Wall-E. Um but um and it will provide residents with the ability to uh query and provide and get information on the website with uh you know, um you know, without using the search bar or you know, sifting through the website, um uh which is a new feature uh to that

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site and also one you're seeing a lot more on uh public sites. So, um in addition, uh National Night Out for for all those that would like to attend is on Tuesday, August 4th in Taylor Park uh with all of our public safety

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representatives [clears throat] as well as, you know, uh the county and and various other agencies that participate. It's a great time, uh fun time for everybody. Uh come down and get to know your your public safety people. Um just a quick update on town hall

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renovation. Uh we are currently in the bidding process. Uh we had two walk-throughs for potential contractors, one on July 8th, one on July one on July 1st, one on July 8th. Um we've had a lot of interest uh in the project and we are

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anticipating receiving bids on July 23rd uh at the Milburn Police Department. Um we're just expecting that there are going to be quite a few respondents and uh we're going to need a bigger space than that small conference room in our temporary town hall. Um lastly, uh when as it relates to the Milburn Avenue uh

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between Lackawanna and Holmes and the uh pilots that the township has have have done over the last few months, um we are at a point now where the uh the the the setup is an extended curve

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simulated by the stick bollards with the bump out remaining place to have pedestrian safety be the forefront of that. Narrows it down to two lanes between Lackawanna and Holmes. This is the intended design and something that we are, you know, the town's committee

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is in their consideration to authorize us to go out to bid and do that design. So, I just wanted to let the the residents know that. Thank you. >> Attorney Kanter. >> Thank you, Mayor. Just a very brief report tonight. The Milburn's on Milburn's fourth round

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of affordable housing. Um, our our compliance hearing was adjourned and we're currently scheduled for a compliance hearing on Wednesday, August 12th at 9:00 a.m. before Judge Russo. That's subject to further adjournments, but it's currently our scheduled time

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where we anticipate getting our fourth round of meeting and compliance over. >> Thank you. >> All right. Public comment. I'm inviting to speak to offer your comments. Please come to the lectern, clearly state your name, whether you are a Milburn resident, and a property or business

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owner. Please do not provide your full address being as our meetings are recorded and are readily available to the public. Help facilitate an orderly meeting and permit all to be heard. Speakers may limit their comments to one 3-minute session. You'll be prompted when there is 30 seconds remaining. A reminder this is

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not a time for dialogue or to debate the matter. It is a time during our business meetings for the public to offer comments. I now open the public comment period. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, good evening. My name is Vish Parikh. I'm a

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town resident. Uh, before I talk about what what I wanted to talk about, thank you, Mr. Stolarz, for giving us the good news. Uh, personally it me immense pleasure that it's under my leadership uh 2 years ago

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that the board doubled the access to AP courses. It's the kind of regulation that was in place that we did away with because it didn't make sense. I want to today talk about another such

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law here, ordinance 2707-25, that is a case study in overregulation. This doesn't affect me personally. My son and I do our own leaf blowing. We've been using an electric leaf blower since

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before the ordinance. I think it's important that this kind of overregulation be repealed. I'm hoping that you'll introduce the repeal tonight. I submitted a formal repeal proposal to the committee 11 days ago along with the draft

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ordinance repeal ordinance language that I have today. The events of the past 10 days made my case better than I could, but I didn't just reach out to the audience and to the committee.

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In the last 10 days, the committee itself suspended this ban first till June July 10th and then extended the suspension till about July 13th. So, twice in 10 days, the township itself concluded that this restriction gets in

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the way of a resident actually needing cleaning. That's not a fluke. That's an ordinance failing the test of ordinary predictable conditions. Storms happening in Jersey during summer, every summer.

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It's and it's not just the homeowners feeling the backlash. Landscaping contractors that help the homeowners have now had the rules changed on them three times within a few within a span of a few weeks. Ban and ban, three times.

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What makes it much that obviously makes it much harder to plan and stuff jobs across the properties to service. Predictability is worth something and it's someone separate from where you land on that and the underlying cost.

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That is on top of the underlying policy which the ordinance where the benefits are unclear in in terms of more from Verizon which it doesn't go away. The

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gas emissions that are still around but potentially even through gas generators that are used to recharge the battery. And clearly the cost is borne by the residents in terms of higher household tax now fairly clear how it turns out.

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I I I may have to stop. >> second There's a second public comment period at the end of the meeting. >> Yeah. >> And you have three minutes to continue. >> No, I just wanted to share with the council. >> Okay. >> You can just >> You can bring the document >> my three minutes going forward. Please

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do. >> [clears throat] >> Hi, Jay Moriality Township resident. I'd like to start tonight by thanking the TC members for their time and effort and service to our community. And I'd like to go further by acknowledging the time and effort of all residents that

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volunteer for the various boards, committees, and commissions whether elected or appointed that support our schools and local government. I'd also like to acknowledge the time and effort of all the residents that volunteer for community events, youth sports programs,

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scouting, and the educational programs to name just a few. And I can go on citing other examples, but simply put residents are what make this a great town and are the lifeblood of Millburn Township. With that said, I'm here tonight to speak in support of the

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restaurant ordinance 2760-26, which was recently pulled. This ordinance covers a variety of topics, but in my opinion, one of the most important aspects of this ordinance is that it restores resident protections

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that were lost in 2021 during COVID when the TC, in an effort to reduce commercial vacancies, relaxed the zoning requirements in the B2 and B3 districts for restaurants at the cost of residents. In changing the ordinance in 2021, they

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made it significantly more difficult for residents to challenge the opening of a business that could have noise, odor, trash, and rodent impact on their homes and families. At the time, residents petitioned the government to approve an impact study before approving the

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changes. The TC refused, and the residents commissioned their own independent assessment from a state licensed municipal planner, and I will quote from its report. At its most basic level, the protections previously offered to single-family homeowners from

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potential adverse effects of restaurants and eating and drinking places are being substantially weakened by the adoption of ordinance 2577-21. A couple of other points of note on the new proposed ordinance. This ordinance

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does not negatively impact any existing business in any business district. It does not change the status of the downtown district or the mall, where restaurants remain a permitted use. No existing restaurant in the B2 or B3 is

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affected. They continue to operate status quo. Furthermore, it does not prohibit restaurants from applying to open in the B2 and B3 zones, it simply means that residents have a greater voice if they choose to object. So, like many of the COVID-era laws that were

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passed, it's time for this one to be returned to its pre-COVID state. And that is what the proposed ordinance will do. Thank you for your time, and I hope you'll support this ordinance. >> [clears throat] >> Um Jeffrey Filan, we're going to pull this section. Hold

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1 hour 32 years. As my custom, I gave you sent you a heads-up >> [snorts] >> um questions and comments regarding the agenda. Sent you a chronology, mentioned that sent you some recent case law, especially there was three cases that were issued yesterday. Um I'm not going to go through all my

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questions. I just want the incorporated into the record of these questions were asked to you. I am since the last meeting, I would like to say that things have changed, you know, um that the board the approved adopted County year 2026 budget

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appeared on the um website in the last since my submission of my letter, email. Um if you look at the agenda packet, you see now expanded cert- cert- availability of certifications certifications there uh funds

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um certifications um that I'm interesting that January I had asked you whether we had all the planning board regarding the turf field, and I guess I must have been right because tomorrow is the agenda. Um I'm really glad because it's almost 5 years that we had a

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special meeting on a Friday morning on like 30-minute, 45-minutes notice to approve the affordable housing project, but no one told us the terms. It's taken us basically 5 years to correct the errors that could have been fewer had the public been included

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in the process earlier. And I'm proud, glad, and I'm just awaiting to see the settlement, but at some point I hope to get a response to the various questions. And I'm really concerned about Jamie's particular report saying that you hadn't finalized

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the Short Hills train station pedestrian project, but you're authorizing today bids to go on the project. How can you authorize go out for bids if you don't know what the project is for? >> [clears throat] >> Hi, I'm Diane Eglow, Millburn, New Jersey.

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Um So, I am not in favor of you turfing the back of the high school, but obviously it's getting done. I just like to know what is the percentage of any high school that will be turfed. And I think when people compare this to the library field, which I was

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instrumental in, it's really not apples to it's different. That was $800,000 $800,000 in a non-flood area. So, I just don't think it's comparable. I'm not for that. I think the open space green tax money was not meant for that. Alex, you answered part of the questions

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about where the parking is going to be on Milburn Avenue. And I'm curious, are you going to be extending the sidewalk? And if you are, I certainly hope you're going to plant trees, a lot of trees. Cuz Milburn Avenue is a concrete desert.

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It's hot, there's no shade. Um have we lost parking spots? And is Lackawanna going to stay as one lane the way that you have it situated? And clearly I drive there every day, that's how I get to my neighborhood, and people are still double-parking in front

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of the UPS store, in front of the um I would I'm Wittingham. And the other thing on Sunday, we went to the Hessian House for a really great presentation. I think that the two girls are here. I don't know if Anyway, it was a great presentation and the family who used to

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live in the house was there and the exterior of the house is in unbelievable disrepair. And I know with historic um committee there to try to go out and get a grant, but the owners of the house have to match 50% and it's a big job and I'm wondering if

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the town would consider chipping in for that and helping that because it was the town that declared that house historic, even though they are historic recognized by the Library of Library of Congress in DC, but it's really sad how the house has just become

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the wood is rotted, paint is gone. It's really The family was very upset They had the best of the house was being with that 20 years ago. And the other thing that had come to my attention once we're talking about developing, will you ever consider, and I certainly hope the answer is no, developing the

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parking lot next to the Milburn Library on the corner of Lackawanna and Glen, across from the reservation? I hope that remains open for commuter lots and to have a clear access to the reservation. Thank you. >> Um

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thank you. County >> [clears throat] >> Good evening. Um I just want to say I heard so many great things coming out of this Township Committee tonight. I'm very excited for all the things that are coming up and that you're working on. Particularly a huge win on affordable housing.

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Really huge win. So, uh this is just a personal issue. So, um not really political. So, So, I'm just calling um you know, coming here tonight to talk about I'm just reading an email and this is mostly directed at the staff

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not really at the township committee members. So, but you guys were copied on my email to our engineer in the township. And so, I'm just going to reread this. So, a few weeks ago well over a month ago Eileen Dawit was able to show me some

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plans at my request for 59 Fairfield Drive which was part of the original subdivision back in 2012. Actually knew the owners of the house. It is actually technically part of the Pleasant Days estate. Um it was on the master plan for being historic and they're tearing house

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down. So, it's taking me like it's a lot of pulling out information um from the engineering department. And as far as I knew from last time I sent the email, they have not approved the plans from an engineering perspective. I don't I think zoning hasn't, building has. And um you know, it's very

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unfortunate they're putting a front you know, a front facing garage in um on a beautiful beautiful um property. But that's their decision and it's allowed legally. Um what's not allowed is actually pushing water onto other people's properties and this original

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project they in my opinion irresponsibly the engineering department back in 2012 built up almost a 15 ft high grade within 20 ft of my property line and I have a patio that was um grandfathered on my property line. So, it greatly affected my house and as a precaution I

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spent over a quarter of a million dollars which is a ton of money for any single person on extensive drainage to protect not only my property but also downward slope properties. I didn't want to hear a peep from my neighbors when I did my patio construction. And so far

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I've been pretty much saved from that. But what I've watched is I've watched the downstream flow which is severe go down into multiple neighbors properties which I'm not going to name their addresses below me. And one such neighbor, who's a lovely person, actually had sewer problems and had to

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jury-rig his whole backyard. And what happened is is that one of the well-known engineers sat down, I will not name their names, actually was doing a engineering project there and was going to put drainage underneath all my tree roots, okay, which is hideously irresponsible. That

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was approved by the Township engineers, okay? And even overlooked by the Township forester. My concern is is that I have sent a a letter of urgency to the Township. I need people to actually come out to the property and understand that when this person tears down this house

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now because it's part of a subdivision and there were over 25 trees, mature trees, taken down, that they need to come out. I know, finish later. Thank you so much, Frank. I appreciate it. >> [clears throat] >> I'm Terry Hardt. Easy tonight. Um first question, Locust Grove, I maybe missed

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the meeting, I'm not sure what the further upgrade is there. If somebody could answer that when finished. Um Glen Avenue, I've mentioned to a few of you, there's a beautiful grove of trees along the reservation extending from the Lackawanna almost to Wyoming. Uh it's reservation property.

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Um some number of feet in from the curb line, so it may be able to be uh cured and uh maintained. The trees would look nicer and elevated. Um I have a planner, Alex, maybe you can give to Christine. That's the uh

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parking um drop-off plan for the train station done by engineer and architect some years ago. Essex Street is a county road. Um I know we're certainly talking about Chatham Road, that's slowing down the traffic and and other things. So, this This that John Buckholtz and Rich Keller

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had worked on. Could I just wanted to finish with Ms. Christine, number eight. After real quick, just going on Um Alex, we hadn't made contact. If you perhaps could even upgrade as to coffee milk um for me um prefer not to do it in public domain, but it's I do need an

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answer on that renovation. Um if you can give an update just on town hall, I'm guessing uh there's a increase in budget dollars. I'm not sure how we're bonding that, what we're doing, timelines. Uh again, I may have missed

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the meeting on that, but just to hear what that would might might be. Um again, to commend Mayor and and all of you pretty much participated in the Chatham Road um traffic pedestrian plan. I still believe

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there's a better plan out there and we have a budget. I don't think we should be making a plan [clears throat] fit budget. I don't believe Roswell still came up with the best possible plan, but any improvement is a good improvement.

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Um and just last, I'm sure it's been discussed in the new development at Pine Brook, Milburn Avenue East coming to the new project 80 says. What is the thought as we go to PNC Advisors and we turn onto Essex Street? Those residents or visitors or drop off

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anything that might be going to that project, how are we crossing two lanes of traffic getting into the garage? You're turning onto Essex Street and you have to cross two lanes of traffic in to get into the garage. I'm not sure what the thought is there and I don't know if it's too late to do

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a roundabout something of the sort that that Parkview uh in that area, but I am concerned about what people are going to do in that intersection as it is. It's not terribly good that turning radius. That's it for now, Christine, I think.

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Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And then Mayor Walsh. Starting on online, we have one. Yeah. Thank you. Please turn on your video. >> Kelly Lower that. >> Kelly Lower that. >> Kelly

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>> Hi, it's Michelle from Explore Millburn Short Hills. I just wanted to invite you all to our um uh watch party on Sunday, July 19th. It's going to be a huge huge party and I know that uh Ben told you about a lot of our um great World Cup things, but I

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just wanted to personally jump on here and say that, you know, we have so many great um businesses and um you know, community partners that are coming out and uh we have great sponsors um who are participating. We've got like a huge 25-ft screen like the one that

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you guys had for the Rec Department and we're expecting maybe like a thousand people. We have contests and giveaways and so much stuff. So um we've been planning this for months. So I hope that you all can come out and support us on Sunday, July 19th and um I think Spain

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just won today, so we'll find out who wins tomorrow and um you know, come support Explore and support Millburn Short Hills and um go World Cup. Thanks so much. >> Thank you so much. >> Anyone else on the line? >> No, Mayor. >> All right, uh in that case, there's no one else. We

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will close public comment period. All right, sponsors. Um I'm going to start with the Township. >> Sure. >> I will reinforce Michelle Amuse's comments. This the 19th is going to be a fantastic

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event. The screen we have, the same one we had at the recreation department as well. It's going to be We're expecting over 1,000 people, vendors, food trucks, ice cream trucks, games for the children. It's going to be fantastic. So, if you guys have a chance to come down and I'll be a part of the

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Millburn history with that viewing event for the finals. Mr. Heller, always good to see you. Locust Grove, that's a county project. They're putting in a bunch of different items, etc. I think Alex can probably give you a nice overview, email you

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that. But, it's going to be great. It's all on the county's dime. And it's going to really enhance the aesthetics of that area and offer more accommodations for the bathrooms and food tables and barbecue pits and things

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on those lines. Big thanks to Joe DiVincenzo, Essex County Administrator. Spending all the money at the Turtle Back Zoo. Now, we're getting a part of that action. So, we renovated all the golf courses in Essex County. So, it's good he's spending some money in our town.

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And to your question on the planning board, approved all of the Annie Sez project. So, I'm sure if you go back and watch it, you'll see the head of the planning board, the special planner, all these people, you know, address those questions.

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My recollection is they are changing that intersection. But, it's a great question for the planning board. But, you know, the proof's in the videos of the people proving that. And I walk by it every day. It's just so large. I mean, it should have been half that size. But, I

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digress. Same thing with Ms. Eglow on the uh turfing of fields, all those uh all of those uh meetings on informational settings. Uh you know, that train's leaving left the tracks, but uh uh to answer your

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question on the flooding, uh there's a reason that it floods and that reason that's the best place for the turf fields is cuz that's where the water aggregates will grow out of the turf fields, but I digress. Uh Miss uh Mr. Reddy, is he still here? Yeah. Listen, I was going to call you this

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morning when I got that update on the APs and having student now as a rising sophomore uh and knowing the trials and tribulations of my three older children who all graduated from Milford High School, just a fantastic ability to have to be able to take those AP classes and

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they really stepped up and the performance was amazing. So, uh a big kudos to you. I'm glad to hear. Uh I won't get into the leaf blower. Uh what else have? And Miss Best, you know, drainage uh gravity plays a big

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part in that. Uh I'll ensure somebody calls you back. Last time I came out and walked your property uh when we had that other issue. So, uh I think this does have to be a should be addressed and and give you a solid answer. And I know about two of your neighbors who live

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directly behind you, I believe. Uh and you know, if there's an issue, it should be resolved. So, that's it. Thank you. Thanks everybody for coming out. And uh what? Thank you so much Mr. Morrielli. Thank you for picking us. Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> What do you think, Colin?

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>> Yeah, so Mr. Reddy, I'll talk about the leaf blowers. I think that before we consider repealing, we need to go through at least one cycle, one summer cycle, and and um and one winter cycle. I think one of the benefits of the ordinance is that when there's an emergency situation like a

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storm and yes, they happen every year, but we don't know when. But there is a way to to go back to a more powerful equal where that doesn't mean you need to use it for the rest of the season. And people do. So, I think we need to give it a chance to see how

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it goes, but it's way too early to even consider appealing. Um Mr. Morali, you know I support the restaurant ordinance. We worked on that on the zoning committee together. Um I think [clears throat] it was pulled. I think there are some there were some deficiencies in it in terms of

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some of the work that we did make sure that some of the some of the requirements that that we came up with that were formally in conditional uses wind up in the health code or somewhere where they where they are good good um practices in terms of odors and

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friendliness and what not. Either they belong in the health code or they belong in the zoning code. They seem to have fallen fallen by the wayside. We have something on the health code today that's a start, but it's not what we had agreed to. So, um before we start

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mucking around with the with the um restaurant ordinance, I've always said those two things need to go in tandem. We'll we'll vote on the health ordinance as it is tonight, but that may also then change uh subsequently if that's the place for some of the stuff that we worked on.

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Ms. Eglow, I'm not aware of any plans to uh build anything on the library parking lot. As you know, we're through round three and round four. Uh 10 years from now round five, I you know, I don't have a crystal ball. I certainly hope that that is not a site that we end up using,

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but you [clears throat] know, I don't know what the requirements will be that will be imposed on us 10 years from now. I certainly hope not. It's clear that parking is already an issue there, especially if there's a game uh you know, at the field. The patronage at the library just

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continues to go up and up. So, taking away parking spaces would be unfortunate. Um with regard to the fields, I do as I have said more than once, I do support the fields, I do support curbing the fields, but I didn't support us using the open space money for it, but I was outvoted. Um, I

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thought that that should just come the the price of that or our share of that was just we're sharing it with the Board of Ed. Our 50% share should have come out of general funds for the township. I agree that's not what the open space trust fund was established for, but so here but I digress.

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Deputy Mayor Cosgrove. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I don't want to repeat too much what's been said. Mr. Morial, I I agree that that ordinance is long overdue to be put back where it belongs. Um, I don't want folks to lose sight of the

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fact that one of our jobs here is to protect residents. Um, not necessarily just make it uh uh permissible to do for a business to do whatever they want, wherever they want to in town. Um,

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I'm unaware also like Mr. Cohen said of any plans to do anything with the commuter lot next to the library. Um, I do think that was a you know, an an issue before um, we had what what the Mayor announced tonight

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about the uh the settlement on on the Main Street project. Thank you. That's it. >> [clears throat] >> Deputy Mayor Torello. >> Yeah, I would just say um, start with you know, how enthusiastic I am about the um,

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comments the Mayor made with regard to the Main Street project um, and all the work that's been done. Um, not aware and not supportive at at the moment of anything to be done at the library. I would agree on the parking um, and location. Um,

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not to repeat what's already been responded to. Um, uh Ms. Eglow, uh with regard to the sidewalk, yes, the sidewalk right would be extended uh on uh Milburn Avenue. Uh I um

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I think we've all seen some improvement in double parking by UPS, but certainly not a perfect solution right now. Uh so there are some um strategies that the police department is looking to implore employ and also um uh

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potentially new camera systems in that area as well. Um but the uh extension of the sidewalk, cutting down on uh from three to two lanes of traffic, uh the bump-outs to enable shorter crossing distance, all in the spirit of

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pedestrian safety. And I um missed in my report, but I should mention on the agenda today is also um and will come up in ordinances is uh with regard to um a four-way stop uh on the uh westbound side of Short Hills

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train station, um corner of Hobart and Hobart. Uh It's the same street. It just bends. It's Station Plaza, excuse me. Uh you know, where Hobart and Hobart and Station Plaza, so three-way, um which it

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will also be a really big pedestrian uh safety improvement. Uh Ms. Best, uh you know, we'll make sure that the team does get back to you. Um Mr. Heller, the

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Glen Avenue trees, first time I'm hearing about this. Uh willing to look into that. Um And the drop-off on Essex Street, I think is worthwhile to look into as well, maybe with our long-range strategic planning committee. Uh thinking about the traffic flow around

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uh the Milburn train station, that we're taking quite a bite out of the Short Hills. Um and then I'll defer to Mr. McDonald with regard to um the authorization, but um Short Hills train station pretty much um is in a good position. That's it for me.

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>> All right. So, Vish um you know, I I think one of the things that's ironic is that you know, our form of government has the power of referendum. Uh a lot of problem with the gas leaf blower ordinance, they be able to use

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the power of initiative and referendum to force that to a ballot, but uh apparently we don't have that power. So, um you know, in light of that, I think that the ordinance worked as designed. There's a mechanism in the ordinance that accommodates

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uh suspending the restriction temporarily uh if there's storms or other emergency situations, we successfully utilized that mechanism um and you know, we don't know if another storm necessitates it, we will certainly exercise that again. Um you

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know, I think the blower ordinance was a major compromise. There were a lot of people that came out and wanted a year-round ban. And there were also, you know, members of the environmental commission that had wanted a year-round ban and

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some people even wanted a ban on all gas-powered lawn equipment. Um so, I think what we ended up with was a reasonable compromise given the amount of public outcry there was in support of the restriction uh versus

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what we saw from the opposition. Um let's see. This egg low um so, the library parking lot, we have no plans to do anything with that and um you know, according to state law

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unless they don't change it, uh when it comes to affordable housing grounds, towns can't be forced to uh pay to build affordable housing or to um you know, give away land for affordable housing. If they choose to voluntarily

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do it, which is what happened 5 years ago, then you know, that that gets us into a bind. So, we've we've spent the last few years trying to clean up the mess that was made um you know, during your time in office actually.

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Um with regards to the fields, uh you know, I do find it ironic that you were such a staunch supporter of the Library Field project, but now for some reason you seem to be against turf on the high school field. Um you know,

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the high school is an area where there's flooding, and having the artificial turf it makes a lot more sense there because it's going to have properly engineered drainage system, and it's going to allow uh for greater utilization after, you know, storms and and events that flood.

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The playable hours are going to go from like 20 hours a week up to, you know, 90-some hours a week. So, uh really the artificial turf behind the high school is a fantastic uh way to utilize the space that we have, uh and to improve

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uh provisions for our recreation and sports programs. Um this best uh will will look into your issue and and make sure someone takes a look. Um you know, sometimes you know, there's challenges that

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they're not All of our existing ordinances don't contemplate every sort of situation, and certainly storm water issues have come up more and more, and I think that the Town Committee over the past few years has done a good job of um

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you know updating our zoning codes and trying to help uh prevent uh you know flooding and worse. Um you know we we've tightened up ordinances and uh you know that's something we continue to look at because flooding is a is a problem in our town.

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Um See, Mr. Heller, I will let Mr. McDonald answer the status of the town hall renovation. I think um that there was I think we got the bids are coming in very soon. I'll I'll let him give the update. Um I also will be

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interested to see how the traffic situation is going to work uh for the Amys' property. Um you know, I think we're all all waiting to see what's going to happen there. Um You know, I wasn't around at the time when it was approved and and I do

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question the logic and reasoning behind the planning board when they approved that project the way they did, but um you know, what was approved was approved and we'll have to see what happens and we'll deal with the fallout.

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Try and resolve it if it's a situation. Um I think that's it, Mr. McDonald. >> Thank you, Mayor. >> [clears throat] >> To answer the question regarding uh how can you go out to bid uh if we don't know what the project is,

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uh please keep in mind that this is a resolution only to authorize us to go to go out to bid. We've had two public information sessions regarding the uh eastbound uh side of the train station. Uh I will be working along with uh the engineers uh with the township committee

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to you know finalize where we are um you know, with relation to the designs so that there's a level of comfort for us to go out to bid. Uh the idea is that we have a month between now and the next meeting. We wanted to make sure this authorization was done so that if we have the opportunity to go out to bid within that

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time frame, we can do so. Uh But there are some a lot of really good feedback and a lot of good ideas from of the information sessions that are being incorporated into the design, but certainly we want to make sure by meeting with the Township Committee on an individual basis that they have a

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level of comfort with the design so that we can go out to bid. If that happens within the next month, great. We are authorized to do so. Um >> I just have a question on that. I know >> I had asked the same question, but you know, about that. And you explained it to me right, but so assuming we do finalize

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the design, how does the public find out about that is and have any chance, you know, is there a chance they have the meetings and and then that's, you know, we'll come to we'll come to a decision and that's it. I mean, that's not usually how things work. >> Well, just cuz you authorize the bid doesn't mean

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>> No, no, no. You said we will go out to bid if we have the design. >> But but I think >> for the next meeting. >> But I I I think the difficulty is that I mean, look, we can certainly find out we can certainly post the final design, you know, but but the difficulty is then to go back out and say, "Hey, this is what

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the design is." and then repeat receive feedback again and then have to do like it you know, just be in an endless cycle. So, the idea is that we provided that opportunity to the Township to the residents to provide their feedback and again, it was really good feedback and and we've gotten a lot of additional design elements from that. Um the

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Township Committee, uh you know, needs to have a level of comfort. If if it doesn't happen by August 11th, then certainly that that design can, you know, be put out then, but it just, you know, the concern is timing here to a certain degree and we just want to make sure

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that we have the flexibility to do so. And as I explained to the Township Committee previously that we wouldn't we wouldn't be doing that without the sign-off of the Township Committee by the view. >> Yeah, and I would just say just to the community, if you do have further feedback,

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uh you know, Send an email in. You can send it to all of us and send it to us. Um But the design the preliminaries are on the website now. Do we have the recording? >> I'll double-check that. If we don't, we will put it up. >> We'll put our resources on the website from the information side. >> But I'm assuming that you've

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incorporated some of the feedback from the last meeting and so we have I don't I don't know that anybody's seen what the you know what that proposal even is at this point. >> That's correct. Yeah. Yeah, I know. >> Yes. As I explained, we would be setting up a meeting with the task commissioner to go

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over it. >> I would recommend then that you post it on the you know you you make that available to the public at the same time. >> Certainly, we can do that. Um Uh the question regarding the project between on Milburn Avenue between

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Lackawanna and Holmes, yes, it will include uh planting beds as well as trees and tree pits and additional trees. Uh any anybody that is been to that area know that I don't think there are trees but a few. Um so uh the idea is that both sides of

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the street would be improved. Um the sidewalks on one side would see the curve extended to accommodate that pump out, but both would uh receive uh planting treatments um for that. Um As it relates to Locus Grove

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uh what I what was explained to me by the county um was that as I think some are aware there are trail improvements taking place. That's a uh uh in conjunction with the South Mountain Conservancy as well as the

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county to uh provide an access trail, in particular one that the the township's fire department uh all-terrain vehicle can utilize when it is deployed to the reservation for uh search and rescue or uh aid or whatever it may be. Uh

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provides a much better path and a much quicker response. In addition, in Locust Grove, they are improving they're they're putting in a sidewalk so that people can stay out of the parking lot and walk down to Glen Avenue, where as we know a lot of people park in

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lot seven or lot nine on the weekends when utilizing that space. And so they just want to make it a better mobility into the reservation from those spaces as well. Um Um Mr. Keller, I'll certainly talk to you about Coffee N' Oat Roaster.

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Unfortunately, you know, I don't know if there's much to that is within our control. Happy to discuss if you found anything, but I have not yet as it relates to the ventilation system or the three-bay sink, but we can talk about that further. So. Um

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And as far as 59 Fairfield Drive, I will look into that as well and see what sort of response can be provided. However, again, you know, there are reviews that do take place that are based on the ordinances that are in front of the staff as well as, you know,

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that they are able to work within. And so, I'm sure I'm confident that they will do so. And I don't know that that allays every concern that that residents may have, but it is certainly what's in the power

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and control of us to dictate to homeowners and to those that are improving their property as it relates to stormwater or zoning or or anything else uniform construction code. There are certain constraints to that. So.

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I think that is all I was meant to touch on. Thank you very much. >> Mr. Keller, do you have anything? >> Unless they have any questions for me, I have no comment. >> Yeah. >> Good. >> Consent Agenda Resolutions. The Township Committee will now consider Consent Agenda Resolutions.

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Are there any comments from the committee in regards to any items listed on the consent agenda? >> Yeah. >> Do I have a motion to approve resolution 26-173 through resolution 26-179 listed on the consent agenda? >> Motion. >> Do I have a second?

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>> Second. >> Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Cohen? >> Yes. >> Mr. Cosgrove? >> Yes. >> Mr. Sarullo? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Stoller? >> Approved. >> Mayor Stack Amending? >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> All right.

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Resolutions. Uh resolution 26-181 adopt the community energy plan. Before we vote, I just like to take a moment to explain what this plan does and why it matters to Millburn. Over the past year, the township and our environmental commission developed a community energy plan made possible by a

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grant from the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities. The purpose of the plan is straightforward, to identify practical ways for Millburn to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions and its community cost. Uh and to move our community closer to the state goal of 100% clean energy.

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This was a genuinely collaborative effort. Our environmental commission and our administration worked side-by-side to identify actions that make sense for Millburn, from near-term steps like improving energy efficiency at our new town hall to installing electric vehicle charging stations at our municipal lots.

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The EC also held public outreach to hear directly from residents, and it was encouraging to see real enthusiasm for these ideas. Uh adopting this plan is more than a formality. A community energy plan carrying both township committee and BPU approval positions Millburn to compete for grants

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and funding that let us put these ideas into practice. In other words, tonight's vote turns a set of good intentions into a foundation to build on and hopefully get grant dollars to pay for it. I want to thank the members of the environmental commission, our professional staff, and our consultants for everything they've done to help find

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a way in. This is exactly the type of forward-thinking collaborative work that serves Millburn well. Uh are there any from any of the other members of the committee or the voters at all? >> Yeah, I have some comments. I I went through this plan and I have I do have some concerns about it.

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I understand that the plan was a necessary output in order to qualify for the grant we received and I and let us apply for grants going forward, but I just want to make it clear that there are no decisions that come out of that plan. Anything Anything that was

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mentioned in there one of the things that I think got me a little concerned was it talked about modifying zoning to foster more solar power. It seemed a little bit of an overreach to me. I think that's the job of the land use board to to figure out

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how that should work. So, of course I'll vote for this because I want to make sure that we get the grant that we applied for and and this is a requirement, but to be clear any of those any of the projects listed in there would require council committee approval to go forward.

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>> Yeah, it's it's really more so sort of a wish list that is my understanding. I think he has the paper work doesn't mean we would or should act on all of them. There's some in there that I don't agree with as well. So, you know,

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rest assured this resolution doesn't bind us anything in any way. It just gives us the ability to get more grant money. >> Anyone else? >> Anyone on the council with you? >> All right, can I have a motion to approve resolution 26-181? >> Motion.

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>> Have a second? >> Second. >> Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Coman? >> Yes. >> Mr. Castro? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Perudo? >> Yes. >> Mr. Stolar? >> Voted. >> Mayor Secondino? >> Yes. >> All right. It's 27-57

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to 26. Voting Meeting and Stolar are scheduled to sponsor. >> [clears throat] >> I would like to present an ordinance entitled ordinance number 2757-26 ordinance amending and supplementing chapter uh seven traffic section 7-20 stop

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intersections of the revised general ordinances of the Township of Millburn. Uh the statement of purpose here is that it's the proposed amendment to the traffic ordinances to authorize that installation always stop at the intersection of Hobart Avenue and Station Plaza that uh Jamie and uh uh

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Mr. McDonald were speaking about earlier. This is actually a stop of one of the coming of moving truck that caught underneath that underpass there. So, this is actually a real stop. Uh we've all been faced with that. Um The request of the Township's engineering office over concerns raised

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regarding lighting, sightlines, and pedestrian safety, the intersection was elevated in the traffic study performed by Brightview Engineering. The study identified deficiencies at the intersection and was found to meet the warrants of {quote} always stop control.

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Any questions? I move that this ordinance be taken up and passed the first reading and that the Township clerk be authorized to have the ordinance posted in accordance with law on the Millburn Township public notices page and for hearing and final passage on Tuesday, August 11th, 2026 at the Millburn Education Center located at

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434 Millburn Avenue, Millburn. >> Second the motion. Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Collum? >> Yes. >> Mr. Cosgrove? >> Yes. >> Mr. Sterodub? >> Yes. >> Mr. Stolarz? >> Affirmative. >> Mayor Sekamandi? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Great. Ordinance 2758-26.

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Ready, Mr. Sterodub? You're scheduled to sponsor. >> Yes, thank you. Um I would like to present an ordinance entitled ordinance number 2758-26 ordinance amending chapters Uh

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what is that? Is that six and and 11 entitled respectively um preservation of trees and protection of Township trees of the Township of Millburn to create a new chapter six entitled tree preservation. So, um this

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recommendation from the Shade Tree Advisory Board and the forester and after great discussions, purpose of the ordinance is to make permanent changes to the Township tree preservation code. The tree preservation code including various fees and definitions was last updated in 2024.

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Following revisions will reflect increase in tree prices and fees for tree removal desired to protect trees on construction sites and establish registration process for tree removal companies to ensure quality tree work in the Township. In addition, several definitions have been added to the tree

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preservation ordinance to further guide residents and tree companies doing related work in general construction in the Township. So, overall um provides uh it's a great set of revisions and in the spirit of preserving our trees

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and preserving our tree-lined uh neighborhoods. Um and I see Reed in the audience. Uh you know, he may speak during public comment later, but um this is great introduction and uh I think we'll do a great service in uh

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helping our forester um do a great job and uh foster our community in the spirit of long-term strategic planning. Foster uh community um that stays green. So, I move that this ordinance be taken up and passed on first reading and that the

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Township clerk will be authorized to have the ordinance posted in accordance with law and then Millburn Township public notice this page for hearing and final passage on Tuesday, August 11th at the Millburn Education Center located at 434 Millburn Avenue in Millburn. >> Uh I second the motion. Roll call vote,

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please. >> Mr. Comyn? >> Yes. >> Mr. Cosgrove? >> [clears throat] >> Mr. Ferraro? >> Yes. >> Mr. Stoller? >> For the record. >> Mayor Spector Mandell? >> Yes. >> All right. Ordinance 2759-26. I'd like to present Ordinance vital

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Ordinance number 2759-26, Ordinance amending and supplementing chapter Not sure what BH4 is, but >> What board code? >> Oh, board code. Um supplementing chapter BH4 retail food

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establishments to establish standards for food establishment odors, smoke, grease, and exhaust related uses. Um So, this this Ordinance briefly will help regulate some things that we probably want to have regulated when it

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comes to restaurants, uh and odors, smoke, and grease. Um So, I move that this Ordinance be taken up and passed on first reading, and Township Clerk be authorized to have the Ordinance posted in accordance with on the Millburn Township public notices page for hearing and final passage on

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Tuesday, August 11th, 2026 at the Millburn Education Center located at 434 Millburn Avenue, Millburn. Do I have a second, please? >> Second. >> Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Cohen? >> Yes. And as I said as I said as it

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stands now. >> Mr. Cosgrove? >> Yes. >> Mr. Ferraro? >> Yes. >> Mr. Stoller? >> For the record. >> Mayor Spector Mandell? >> Yes. >> Ordinance 2761- 26. Uh Deputy Mayor Cosgrove, you're

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scheduled to sponsor. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh I would like to present an Ordinance entitled Ordinance number 2761-26 an Ordinance amending and supplementing the Township of Millburn development regulations and zoning Ordinance to

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establish regulations for the siting, design, and review of wireless communications facilities. I'm going to ask Mr. Petrone if he can comment on some of the technicalities of this. Thank you. >> Um good evening members of the governing

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body. Grant Petrone here this evening, town planner. This is a an ordinance as a product of the zoning code and the planning board of adjustment. I thank the committee members for their support in this effort. Um the township's current uh development regulations and zoning ordinance does not comprehensively address the siting,

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and review of wireless telecommunication facilities outside of the municipal right-of-way. Um this ordinance will establish a new section within the DRC to create regulate a regulatory framework for siting of these facilities on private property. Um I can read through I have a couple of high-level bullet points to talk about

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what the ordinance does. First, it defines facilities subject to zoning regulations and distinguishes um facilities within the municipal right-of-way, which are presently governed under chapter 4, section 4-2 specifically, um from other wireless facilities that will be defined under this ordinance, which are located on

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private property or outside the municipal right-of-way. Um it permits these wireless telecommunication facilities as conditional uses subject to planning board approvals or if uh consistent with all set forth conditions or uh may require D3 variants if unable to meet all the conditions.

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Um and the the conditional use permission is allowed in the B1, CMO, OR1, OR3, and C zones. And it allows for conditional use consideration in B2, uh B3, B4, and OR2 zones only where no feasible location exists in the first group of districts. So, you're only

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allowed to use those access those second districts if the first set of districts uh are unfeasible. Uh requires a service need alternate alternate siting co-location analysis, uh including review of existing facilities and potentially suitable structures within the township and within 1/4 mile of all

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uh I guess borders. Uh and the ordinance also establishes citing bulk and design standards including a 300-ft setback from residential zones and uses, schools, places of worship, child care centers, and a general height limit as well. For monopole screening, stealth design, roof placement, lighting, and noise standards, and provisions for federal

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law where deemed required. It regulates the operation, safety, maintenance, and min and removal including security fencing, compliance with applicable radio frequency emission standards, and removal of facilities that are abandoned [clears throat] or discontinued. Those features have to be removed.

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Um and and finally in summary, this this ordinance sets forth an application review process for municipal staff and or land use boards to conduct professional reviews all in con in recognizing the federal FCC requirements that there are which require preemption standards and

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procedures under the federal shot clock requirements to set forth those timely approvals. Um right now the township does not have this structure so we're kind of at the will of the FCC approval process timelines which compresses [clears throat] the review period. Um so this will set forth a process where these facilities can be better

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regulated from a land use perspective. >> Is this going to prevent installation of pole-mounted small cells in any way, shape, or form or hinder that? >> When you talk about pole-mounted, are you talking about poles within the

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municipal right of way? Poles within the municipal right of way you're talking about? >> Yes. >> Yes, so those are regulated under chapter four. Those are separately regulated and that's already permanent set forth. >> Okay. So this this won't change that or anything that we're doing at all. >> That's correct. >> Okay. So this just basically establishes a set of standards where we didn't have

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any to help guide the professionals when they are doing any applications. >> That's right. Yeah, for installation on private property. Okay. >> And now is there any other questions? >> No. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> I I that this ordinance be taken up and passed on first reading and that the

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township clerk be authorized to have the ordinance posted in accordance with law. >> That's all right. >> I'm sorry. >> You can keep going. >> No, no, you can keep going. You are the sponsor. >> That's all right. Let's start the Thank you. I move that this ordinance be taken up

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and passed on first reading and that the township clerk be authorized to have the ordinance posted in accordance with law on the Millburn Township public notices page and for hearing and final passage on Tuesday, August 11th, 2026 at the

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Millburn Education Center located at 434 Millburn Avenue, Millburn. >> I have a second. >> [clears throat] >> Second. >> Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Cohen? >> Yes. >> Mr. Cosgrove? >> Yes. >> Mr. Sterudo? >> Yes. >> Mr. Stoller? >> Voting.

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>> Mayor Spector Mandy? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. Ordinance 2762-26. Reading and Sterudo, you're the second sponsor. >> Yes, I would like to present an ordinance entitled ordinance number 2762-26,

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an ordinance to amend and supplement the revised general ordinances of the Township of Millburn, chapter two, administration, article five, boards, committees, and commissions. Um so, this committee this ordinance would um establish the creative arts advisory

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committee um which would provide a home for all art within the township and have the liaisons to various um uh parts of the community um and provide a better structure on

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um how we evaluate, inventory, uh and design art. And um all members are Uh, you know, will comprise of community members unless they're liaisons. And uh

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so we use a call out as well to the community for anybody who's interested in getting involved. Uh there will be a upon final passage, there will be a um uh and actually maybe we can discuss this if if the cash committee is comfortable moving forward with this, you know,

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opening up the volunteer interest form uh at this point so we can start to collect interest. Um So, uh but you know, all are welcome and I think uh it'll just provide a better uh operating standard operating procedure. Um

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I move that this ordinance be taken up and passed on the first reading Yeah, first reading. >> So, first of all, it says in the ordinance that it any other committee dealing with art is is eliminated. Is that that's the art advisory committee? Is there any Is there any other

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committee that is about to be you know, is to be eliminated? No. And will this >> Not not in not in the on the township's books. >> Right. And the the only one was the Millburn creative collective. >> Creative collective, which was

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>> Mark Robinson a long a while ago. I don't even know if it's still in existence, but >> Yeah, I had a from so I had conversations so Renee uh prepared who was excellent. Um she you know, she had worked with Mark Robinson, you know, that that uh was never officially done. >> So, and will this committee then take

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over what the art advisory committee does in terms of the high school scholarships? >> Uh so, it's currently being done by an individual member. >> Right. >> And so, they can continue doing it and this committee can take on that as well. >> So, the committee won't take it. This committee won't take it on.

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>> It will take it on as long as it's done by >> that they're not being eliminated when the committee is eliminated. >> No, actually it it will enhance because the liaison from the hopefully the board of ed and high school art department. >> So. >> Okay, that's fine. And then just lastly,

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I see the following the president where we picked the chair and in this case there's automatically a member of the Well, it's the mayor's I guess the mayor's representative. So, is there a reason we didn't feel comfortable letting the people on the committee pick their own chair? Something I have, you

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know, pushed in other situations. >> Uh or the mayor itself. Or the mayor the chair. Uh cuz if you you know, it was previously appointed by the mayor um and just, you know, better standard operating procedure that um town hall would be the home for

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>> Right, I'm just talking about the chair. Again, we're picking the chair or the mayor's picking the chair this time. Uh as opposed to the five of us the five of us voting on the chair, which even that I did I opposed. I felt the committee should form their own chairs. Is there a reason you you

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structured it that way? >> Uh it's it's the just a model that's been done in other communities and uh uh I felt [snorts] that that it would be effective in this situation. Um uh considering that uh

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you know, we we've had uh just very disparate groups um on our processes that have not um >> No, I understand that's why I brought it >> So, that that that's that's why >> doesn't mean it has to be that I understand that's why we have a committee. That that's why the chair is appointed by the mayor. It has to be handpicked by

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the mayor. >> That's um that's the reason as well. That cuz it would be the mayor and then it if they chose not to be the the chair uh or the representative on there would be their designee. So, it was just to to start at the top. >> I think I don't tend to be

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, >> So, what do we what do we think? >> I have a question for Matt. >> I would move to amend that the committee members choose their own chair. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's >> Well, you need a We need a second. >> Is there a second? >> I second. >> I can second that, Evan.

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>> Hey, Scott, should the council >> Can I clarification, please? Are you saying the township committee chooses the chair or that committee should >> That committee should choose the chair. >> Okay, Scott, you're on the committee. I'll make a motion for roll call and amendment. >> Do you want to discuss that in There

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were reasons that it was written this way. Um that was suggested by administration, administration. Um and that's why it was written the way it was. >> Is that

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>> Uh administration said Alex, and what do you mean by administration? >> The administration. >> So, I can I can provide some some some context to this. And And And again, please please note that I do not have a sort of uh dog in the fight, so to

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speak. Um it was just that I think >> [clears throat] >> one, that it allowed for um the potential change because the mayor can change it. And so, it it allowed for a change in the in the in the chair of this group,

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which, you know, provides some um you know, new new looks, new voices, uh as we said. I think at times the committees to get uh where the chairs are are are there for a a long time. Um I think also, being a newly formed

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group, I think that that sort of stability in in the the mayor the mayor's designee, um doesn't mean that it can't change in the future, either. Um given that well, once the group is established, um there's going to be a lot of new things that they're that they're also uh responsible

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for. That was some of the thought process behind it. Again, don't don't have any uh bearing in where the township committee goes with it, but that was some of the thought process. >> [clears throat] >> Um so, I guess we can vote on the motion. [clears throat] >> I'll call vote in a minute.

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>> Mr. Cohen? >> Yes. >> Mr. Cosgrove? >> Yes. >> Mr. Cerullo? >> No. >> Mr. Stohler? >> I abstain. >> Mayor Saccomandi? >> No. >> It does not pass the exception.

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I show there were four >> motion to introduce. >> Okay. Yeah, and I think to introduce it, let's have some conversations and, you know, we can we can have some more conversations. Uh, I move that this ordinance be taken up and passed on first reading and the Township Clerk be authorized to have the

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ordinance published in accordance with law and the item and for hearing and passage on Tuesday, August 11th. Please be advised that the public hearing of this ordinance will be held at the Melbourne Education Center located at 434 Melbourne Ave, Melbourne. >> I'll second the motion.

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>> Okay. Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Cohen? >> No. >> Mr. Cosgrove? >> No. >> Mr. Cerullo? >> Yes. >> Mr. Stohler? >> Affirmative. >> Mayor Saccomandi? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Great.

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Ordinance 2754-26 uh, I am the sponsor. But I present for consideration an ordinance entitled ordinance number 2754-26, ordinance designating Mount Zion AME Church, 54 Church Street, as a historic landmark pursuant to historic

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preservation ordinance of Township Melbourne. Tonight is the time set for the public hearing and final passage as noticed in accordance with law. Now to hear the hearing public. Anyone online? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. I move that this public

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hearing be closed and that the ordinance be adopted on final and that the Township Clerk be directed to post the ordinance by title on the Millburn Township public services page as passed on final reading in accordance with law. A second, please. >> Second.

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>> Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Cohen? Yes. Mr. Cosgrove? >> Yes. >> Mr. Serruto? >> Yes. >> Mr. Stoller? >> Yes. >> Mayor Spector Mandell? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Great. Ordinance 2755-26. Uh We need a motion. >> I'll move your schedule to

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>> Yeah, I present for consideration an ordinance entitled ordinance number 2755-26, ordinance designating bridges associated with the Morris and Essex Old Main, Delaware, Lackawanna, and Western Railroad as a thematic historic district pursuant to the historic preservation

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ordinance of the Township of Millburn. Denied at the Township public hearing and final passage as noticed in accordance with law. >> Fair hearing open. >> You can carry on. >> I'm Millburn resident. Um

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We had communication just with New Jersey Transit on this. I've had involvement in this in South Orange and Montclair. South Orange some years ago. The two crossings in South Orange Avenue and Third Street were all but falling

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apart and we the downtown in the town um covered them with the laurels and greens, other sorts of things. Anything that you're viewing with regard to these bridges. In South Orange's case, it was very, very famous

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architect. Uh it was the train station, the arches, there's the decals, tile, and other things on the trestles. Um certainly not against what you're doing, but one is New Jersey Transit. Two, we even contemplated back then, uh any of you have seen some of the amusement parks and other parks around

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the world where there's miniature versions of the world where you walk in China by example and you can see the Empire State Building, the London Bridge, the Coffee Fountain. Uh we contemplated back then before New Jersey Transit fixed their trestles

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uh actually covering trestles on the downtown side by putting by example the Ponte Vecchio out of stucco which would make it look real relief and detail. The London Bridge by example uh you know on the the Main Street side of the the trestle going up. I'm not advocating

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those things. In fact, when New Jersey Transit was saying you can't do that, we contemplated putting up a stanchion post and actually putting up either billboard or something out in front of the trestle if they're in such disrepair. Um I would just be conscious one of New Jersey

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Transit number one and two that we commit ourselves. I'm not sure what Genesis did this was. Um to just be careful that it could limit us in the future if transit is not maintained. If structures that we may not be able to do something or signs or anything else that

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you can put on those old bridges. And >> [clears throat] >> First thing Beth, I um I wasn't going to comment on this but I um I'm on the HPC and uh it's an alternate and I'm just commenting as a resident. I think that

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um the reasoning behind doing this was to preserve the beauty of a lot of these um overpasses and and uh bridges etc. Um so that Essex County or Union County or New Jersey Transit doesn't come in

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and build a bridge that's completely hideously ugly and utilitarian in many ways. And so I think um to Garrett Mr. Hellers point, I I understand that and but I think the point is obviously the bridges need to be repaired or even um

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you know, increased in height or width. I think that the proposition is really to um you know, to to reconstruct it in a way that honors the historic nature and the beauty of the bridge. So, I just want you to keep that in mind and I appreciate it. Thank you.

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>> Yeah, I'll just say I agree with Mr. Fassett. We We have no plans to to to repair the bridge. I said if if they are in need of repair, it is the Jersey Transit's responsibility to do that and we would hold them to that and by having them declared historic, we would prevent them from using, you know,

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shoddy materials just to get them done. So, you know, and would that wind up in court? Likely, but you know, um that's what the purpose of this ordinance is. We're so So, I move that the public hearing be Oh, sorry.

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>> [clears throat] >> I move to close it. >> Yeah. So, just to interject, too, uh Who was the family we as of July 4th parade we honored? The uh >> It was the Parsell family. >> Yeah, the Parsell, but >> The Ross and the King The Ross family at the ends of acres.

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>> closed public hearing. I think the sponsor needs to do that. >> Okay. I thought I got it. I'll close the public hearing. >> No, just to get your conversation. >> All right. So, so back to that So, the Parsell house, we had the um the living room remaining living members

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of the Parsell house and uh the woman I was speaking to uh the mother or grandmother or great-granddaughter of Parsell family, she mentioned to me and it was so unique. So, fun that the Millburn Lighthouse Trap Quarry actually

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gave the rock for all his overpasses and those were sourced locally. So, when you talk about a really a historical feature of our town, where the overpass and she would agree we got into a discussion by I live in the Wyoming section where Wyoming is and you know, did you know

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that the overpass there coming over from Millburn Avenue over towards South Orange and then the Millburn overpass that I guess Benihana you're on the top of Millburn and it's just really interesting. So I'd love us to do a lot

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more work to document those stories and about the the light pipe family who actually owned the quarry and actually pushed that rock forward for building these overpasses to make it a real to they were built it for safety

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issues. But you know, talking about historical that's a real part of Millburn tradition and histories. >> Thanks. Well, I will motion to approve. >> I move that the public hearing and do that audio. And the public hearing is closed and the ordinance be

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adopted at final reading and the township clerk be directed to post the ordinance by title on the Millburn Township public notices page as passed on final reading in accordance with the law. >> Yeah, second. >> Second. >> Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Comito.

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>> Yeah. >> Mr. Cosgrove. >> Yes. >> Mr. Serruto. >> Yes. >> Mr. Stoller. >> Yes. >> Mayor Spector Landy. >> Yes. >> All right. Old business. Proposed community service board committee ordinance that the mayor Cosgrove. >> I'm in.

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>> Thank you, mayor. Um so, everyone should have before them we should have seen at least the the draft of the community service award um ordinance. Um and and the idea behind it basically was to

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There seems to be a push to formalize a lot of these committees. Um this one I I think needed to be formalized. I will tell folks um off the top that um, this as drafted it has the committee picking

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their own chairs. Um, and it it it also has the committee keeping minutes. Now, there's been some comments to me about the minute aspect, um, that pushing upon volunteer committees

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obligation to keep minutes of every meeting, um, you know, it is certainly a feel a pretty big task. Um, so it's it's in there right now that they will keep minutes. Um, but perhaps the, uh, the TC members want to give

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some thought to whether or not, uh, requiring minutes of every committee, uh, without providing the committee with someone to take the minutes, uh, in some fashion, uh, might be, uh, you know, pushing a little more work on volunteers than we

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should be. >> I have a totally different point of view about minutes in this committee because if you have a meeting and somebody nominates, you know, John Smith and the board the point of the committee is, "No, we don't think he's worthy." I don't think you want that in public

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minutes. So, I to me it seems to me that this committee should be exempted or, you know, because that that should not be something that becomes public that someone was considered and denied. >> That's a valid point. >> I mean, I think that it's good governance for

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all committees that they keep minutes. Um, obviously committees can be judicious in what they put in minutes, um, what level of detail is provided, but, you know, if someone's going to be nominated for an award, I think we should also have minutes that show what

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the deliberations were, you know, the justification for why that individual is getting that award. You know, this is for for community service, uh, and to me I I just think that it's good governance for all of our committees to advance.

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And I think that it's not too onerous, especially with uh technology we have nowadays for whoever the secretary is to, you know, do a recording and have that uh generated into minutes. So, I I think

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it's just good governance to keep the minutes somewhere. >> I don't know. You know, in in addition, I mean, even if somebody does get the award, they're they're I I've never sat on this committee, but I'm sure that there's possibly some dissension. Again, not something that should be out to the

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public. I mean, we're all neighbors, but we don't we're not all friends. So, you know, it it uh I just think I mean, if you're going to be if you're only going to put in the good stuff, then I'm not sure what the purpose of it is because, you know, we have that whole was I don't know where it is now that town hall is being

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renovated. We know who all the people are that got the who got the award cuz their names are on the plaque. So, if we're only going to put the positive stuff in there, I'm not sure what what purpose >> Those minutes really say. >> So, you know, is there I I think uh I agree with the mayor on the governance

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aspect. I agree with the deputy mayor. I agree with everybody's points, okay? I think I think this is a committee uh where we could we find some compromise in the minutes that recordings that the meetings took place. Some recordings that, you know, maybe they had X number

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of applicants, but maybe not the disclosure very high level. I just think that that might be critical. Um you know, I I hear you, Dave, on the on the staff on the on the on the um task. Um you know, is there typically a member of

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town hall that sits in these meetings? No. You know, in the case that the secretary is not able to, you know, could we >> [clears throat] >> maybe we could find some support? >> Sorry. >> Yeah, sorry. This is

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So, I think that's [clears throat] that is part of it and and you know, in terms of like, you know, every every every all 17 or 18 committees are then going to need to utilize a staff member to provide that support. But, what I

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would suggest is that, you know, minutes is as a very formal thing, right? It's you know, you've got to make sure that certain aspects of those documents, you know, reflect what you know, what we've done in in some other instances, 250 is one of like, notes. You take notes from from the

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meeting and you're able to, you know, discern what what occurred very high level, making sure that you're that you have a record of it. Doesn't necessarily need to be posted to the website either if it's not governed by the open public meetings act, but it's there in case some it is needed or that it needs to be

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over it some way, you know, that it that it's available. >> But but but listen, leadership matters. It really does. Leadership matters and, you know, the kind of the point of appointing the head, etc. Everybody should work within the constraints that they're given. AI can

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do minutes and such, but those minutes need to be reviewed prior to being released to the public. If somebody's put up for a good good Samaritan service award, etc., well, they probably want to know why they were voted down as well. I would want to know. So, you know, let it

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let the chips lie where they fall really when it comes to that. So, that's the that's the reason minutes are in place. So, there's a governance issue. You're not going and doing certain things and it's it's, you know, whether it's malfeasance or not, I don't want to go down that that whole, but everyone

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should know what's happening in these committees and should be a public record. Leadership matters. >> Absolutely, I agree with that. You know, transparency matters. I think it would set a bad precedent if we started exempting some committees from

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being able to take minutes. Uh you know, I think the standard across the board for governmental committees are take minutes and it's got to be part of the record. We need to have a record somehow. It's just basic to do. >> Honestly, the person who can't decide what should be in the minutes and what

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should and should not be in the minutes, but I shouldn't be running that committee. You guys agree? >> Okay, so from what I'm hearing, maybe that I I I would say my comment would be that minutes should be made, but it should be you know,

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in a high-level way. I don't know what you do. Do you write specifically in a minute? >> Well, minutes are not a recording of everything that happens in that meeting. It's a representative It's a write-up. It's >> Yeah. >> the person who's in control of minutes, you you they agree on on them before you

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publish them. Just like here, we all have to >> Sure. >> uh vote on the minutes. >> Yeah. >> My only thought on the minutes, >> Okay. >> is I know we all vote on them, but but they need to be accurate and they need

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to be complete. So, I don't think we can say minutes and then only put in the high-level part. You know, cuz the the concept of minutes is someone who go back to the point Michael made and a couple of people made is

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you you able to go back and say, "Okay, why was Dave Cosgrove not given the >> Then to my point, it would be the good comes with the bad. You're going to have to put the bad I I never said just do the glossy highlights. You know, sometimes you got to put the the the ugly stuff in there.

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>> No elected official is eligible, so. >> [laughter] >> What do you think? >> I don't know. I mean, in some sense it does more harm than good. You know, if you it's not a self-nomination. So, if person A nominates person B, person B may not even know they were nominated

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and only to find out that they were nominated and the whole committee thought it was, you know, they didn't deserve it. I mean, what are we doing here to our, you know, to our neighbors? That just seems really nasty and ugly. I mean, it could be opened and, you

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know, people open things all the time. >> an award and choosing, you know, choosing between five. I mean, it's can say, "Okay, this individual out of these five was chosen for these reasons." That's in the minutes. Only those who have been approved. And and and and

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that's useful information. But, you also know who else was considered and, you know, you'll know that they they were not the one that was picked. I mean, transparency is important in governance, whether it's convenient [clears throat] or or or not. You can't choose where you

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have transparency and where you don't. So, if you're going to give an award as part of a township committee, then your committee should function like all of the other committees where you do minutes. And if you don't want to do that, then, you know what? We don't need you. We don't need to have this committee. This is not a committee that

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we necessarily need to have. If you're so concerned about it, then >> But, this is more personal than like the Shade Tree Commission, you know? It's it's just it's it's people who are being talked about here. It's not, you know, it's You look at the other committees and what they do, you know? It's keeping

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track of art projects now or trees or, you know, we have what Al just said, 18 committees. This is the only one that's personal that I can think of immediately that's personal. You know, it's land use. It's not personal. This one's personal. >> I think we should I think we could find a compromise on the minutes. I think if

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if they're taken and I, you know, it's at the discretion of the secretary, you know, and that's the that's sort of the the the message that we're sending through the liaison to the committee. >> But, but, Jamie, it's all at his discretion. I mean, everyone should be keeping minutes

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>> accordingly. The the by-laws There's no discretion. You know, let's leave out this good thing, this bad thing. The minutes are the minutes. It's a representation of what transpired during that meeting. And you know, in bullet format, etc. So you can actually understand >> Yeah, but is it supposed to be

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the name supposed to be a surprise for example? I don't know. I'm going to leave it I'm going to leave it there. I think it could be a compromise. >> I'm not voting on this tonight, so it's just a discussion. So I think this is going to need some continued discussion

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and consideration offline in small groups. >> I have to put you on the spot, but as the person who takes minutes from that, you know, as the clerk, it'd be interesting. I'm not asking that. You know, you know, put your opinion

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about what needs to be done for a government or committee. >> Well, an advisory committee really doesn't have any real power. So right there they're advising, they're giving a recommendation. The financial committee is saying that they recommend this person who provided this and they're providing a documentation with

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the achievements. So I can see both sides too, you know, maybe loose notes you can just what they're chatting about or something, you know, it could be something a little more fluid than official minutes. >> I think you have There was a consensus >> There's also a public I think a public

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meeting at least once a year. So maybe that could be, you know, more official because if people are recommending people, that could be more of a a meeting that keeps minutes recorded in the public and the board. >> Yeah, what's interesting the the library gives awards and yet they still have

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minutes, right? I don't know. They have five awards to give. I think there was something recently where they were discussing, I don't know if they're naming a room or something. It seemed like they were going to be giving awarding someone something and you know,

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they're in third meeting that they they keep minutes. That's That's the minutes. >> Okay. But, can I just tell one one thing? Sorry. Is Is I think the question, and this can certainly be vetted out as we discuss this further,

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but is what is the utility of providing the negative Whatever is the reasoning behind not choosing somebody to to actually choosing somebody. In the In the end, the goal is the advisory committee chooses somebody that's worthy of the seat of the board. Whether people

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are not worthy of it, doesn't It's It's not You know, you're not You don't have a review process that you go back and say, "Well, you know, your reasons were unfair, and you provided these different reasons why they shouldn't be awarded this." It's more about the individual that does receive it. And I think to the mayor's point, you know, you're stating

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so-and-so and so-and-so were considered, but they weren't chosen. Probably as simple as that. >> Yep. >> Yeah, I would just say it appears that there is two members who are in favor of full minutes. There's two who are against minutes in general, and then you have Committee Member Struthers' kind of

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compromise position. I'm happy to draft language to kind of get Committee Member Struthers' idea out of what a high In that calling of minutes, the the Deputy Mayor's point, um and see how you guys

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appreciate that, and see if that would be agreeable to all. And if we're If we're talking about section >> I'm not going to spray anything that has good minutes and bad minutes. We take the good minutes and bad minutes. >> No, it wouldn't be good minutes and bad minutes. It would be What I mean it would be what

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what this particular advisory committee's um a written takeaway should be meeting meeting uh in detail. >> And now we can have a stamp like it What do you call it? >> Yeah, example. >> Yeah. >> An example of what What do we want them to have provided? >> But, no, you're not in favor of it. I

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mean, I mean, that's just >> Who attended? What's the next meeting? You know, what was dis- We had, you know, how many applications? Like have a little bit of a >> All right, give it a run. Give it a shot. Yeah. >> Yeah. And what is What do you call What am I calling >> That's what I am saying.

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>> That's template. Template. >> Yeah, I I That's what I was saying. It's some sort of template. It's >> I think I think we can move on on this one. >> Or is this dead? >> Huh? >> So, Mr. Danforth will take a shot and make his tweaks to it and then we'll put

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it back there. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> And then there's a consensus on that. >> I have consensus on it. >> All right, next up is data center proposed regulations. Mr. Mayor Cosgrove, all yours. >> Thank you again. Um so, this is coming

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back for the for the second time. There was discussion last time about it. Um And what what I'd like to I'd I'd like to keep this moving and that's why I asked that it be put back on. Um I will say though that since the last meeting,

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um the state has passed, you know, a law dealing with data centers. Thank you, Mr. Scott, for sending me that. Um and um they What what's happened is that that statute now directs uh the various boards uh in in the state

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to develop some regulations uh around data centers, you know, what's what's allowable, what's not, what you know, what etc. And I think, but I can't predict, um that those regulations, when they show up, may address the mayor's

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concerns and some of the members of the audience. Um may not, but they may. So, my thought process really on this is uh we've heard from our planner that passing the proposed ordinance gives us a better level of protection.

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Um I still would push everyone to let's pass that so we have the top level of protection for the residents. Uh and then in the meantime as the state develops these regulations, we can take a look at those

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and we can take our our time looking at the mayor's concerns and then anybody else's concerns about whether we want to change the look of what we have, you know, to permit these in town. Um so that's my proposed solution on it.

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>> So to be clear, I'm not necessarily against banning the data centers, but I think that one I I said we should get some more feedback and receive much feedback. Um two, the language as written I have a

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problem with specifically because it was stated in a prior meeting that the ordinance was designed supposedly designed not to prevent you know, computer server rooms for office space, but the way it's currently written I think is flawed and it could prevent companies from having a large on-site

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server room or facilities that you sometimes see with hedge funds or other financial firms, etc. Um I've certainly worked at institutions like that that had large, you know, data centers within their office, but they weren't, you know, they weren't a traditional multi-tenant

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data center. They didn't have the negative externalities that sometimes come along with those multi-tenant data centers. Uh so I think the language needs to be worked on. Um I'd be happy to work with Graham on my on my concerns there or we could have a subcommittee do

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this, but >> [clears throat] >> I just want to make sure that we're not limiting the tenants in our office buildings or potential future tenants in our office buildings from being able to have the necessary on-site uh computer facilities

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that that they would need. >> Given Given the issues with data centers, I'm just wondering >> [clears throat] >> if you had if the environ- if you're the representative of the environmental commission looked at this issue at all. >> Um I >> Should they If they haven't, you know,

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should they I think they should. >> If we can certainly get their opinion on it. >> Yeah, to to to the mayor's comment, I would just say that uh section J D as in David says that the inclusion of limited server rooms, telecommunications rooms,

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network closets, computer equipment, etc., etc. uh do not constitute a data center. I think that issue was was it was it addressed >> briefly and I Specifically, there were other sections

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that I had issues with. I think these are the issues that we need to solve, but um I I don't think this is ready to move forward as is. >> Mayor, 25 municipalities that have banned data centers. So, while I don't have all of their ordinances, I don't have some of them. But

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I remember seeing that. I know Neptune just did it last night. So, let let me pull some of their ordinances to prepare. >> And when can we see the state state information on the data centers? >> What is a data center? >> When did that start? >> Okay, so I think um

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to wrap that up, I think we're going to be Jared will Mr. Canter will provide some examples from other towns and Miss Gotti's going to provide that article and the statute that she sent to

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the to the whole gang. Right there. >> We can thank you. >> All right. New business. Solicitor Lee persons ordinance. >> Again, Mr. Mayor, I apologize. >> I know. I feel like I'm uh taking too much time. But, um

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the the the disorderly persons, uh you know, It's going to take a little time to explain this, but the need for the ordinance to me was highlighted at the March 22nd, 2026 Charter Study Committee meeting where an audience member became

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extremely out of order and out of control and frankly, in my opinion, acted in a threatening manner. But, please watch the tape and um make up your own minds on on what it you know, what what happened there. Uh the chair of the committee, to his credit,

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um tried to use his gavel the best he could to control this individual and was unsuccessful. Um the individual was and again, make up your own mind, either told to leave or left on their own. Um

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but this type of refusal to respect the chair of the committee, who's making a valiant attempt to control the situation, has happened before in the town's history. And I see uh clearly to add, after I saw what happened, um I looked myself at the town

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ordinances and and saw that there really was not an ordinance that directly addressed um someone refusing to to uh respect being gavored. Um to lack of a you know, a better a better way to put it. In Canter, the

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last episode that I'm talking about did involve my wife. She was the uh the target of the of the uh of the uh outbreak. Um we have a draft outline that was prepared by Mr. Canter. Thank you very

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much uh for discussion tonight. Um and like I said, I think there's a need for it because, you know, we we saw what happened. We've seen it before. And I I think it gives the um deterrent effect to people who are going

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to not respect the gavel, I'll call it. Um and it and it gives the chair uh a a little more power, so to speak. It's important, I think though, that not just the chair of the committee, and that's not just the mayor here, it'd be the chair of any committee.

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Um do they designate the committee, I should say. Um it gives them some some some power, it puts a little thing behind the behind the gavel, so perhaps, you know, access is a deterrent for people who are going to misbehave. Um in today's political um

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climate, I can see this becoming a more frequent thing. I can't predict it, I hope it doesn't happen. Uh but I I do think we need some type of deterrents, so that people really get out of order and they get and they get gavel. Uh that they know it's serious business.

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Keep in mind, it's a disorderly person for pets, no one's going to be uh you know, sent to jail for life or anything like disorderly person for a year. But But anyway, that that's my thought process. Wanted to see what the what the group thought about it. I think there's

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a need for >> I'll I'll start. Uh to begin, I would never limit anyone's free speech. I'm surprised you're saying that it's a deterrent. Secondly, uh if there's incendiary comments made, which your wife made, calling all Republicans valueless, uh that precipitated it, you know,

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there's there's a standard that has to be taken into consideration. When he was gavled, he did leave, he did say a couple of expletives on the way out, uh etc. Uh but I understand what you're saying, but to limit someone's free speech uh in such a way. Uh and if he

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did I I think we had somebody removed once from a uh Township Committee member uh thing. I saw a video of Nancy Stone being removed. Uh which what did that fall under? Do we know? Was that Uh this ordinance uh this was not in place. >> One of the problems I had with the

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language, it doesn't specify a penalty for the violation. So, it you know, it mentions there's there's a summons potentially or removal, but is there is there a fine? Is there jail time? Like what we need to know what the what the

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penalty >> Right, but but you you you you know about that. He was He was considering something. He felt that he was had an incendiary line. I certainly not condone his behavior, nor do I condone of anyone who's in that type of incendiary comments to to to to to you know,

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precipitate his reaction. I And it was a >> saying that my wife said something incendiary? She was asking a question posed by the board. >> You're not You're putting words in my mouth. She was said a number of times that she wants to understand someone's affiliation and whether they have values

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or not. And her In her implication, and she actually said that if they're a Republican, they do not have values. So, that's what set Mr. the gentleman off. >> People in the audience should watch the tape. >> I was there. >> That was never That was never said.

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>> Oh, it was It was actually said. It was said multiple times. >> So so this actually is probably a good example of why we may need some something like this as as Mr. Bell just demonstrated some disorderly conduct here. But I think

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>> When did he start dancing? >> I think I think we need to If we're going to do this, we need to establish what the penalty is for the violation. If this is something we're going to do, I do think it's probably a good idea to have some sort of mechanism to maintain a quorum after a warning is

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is given. Um you know, we we certainly have had situations where, you know, people have had to to to be ejected over the years, and probably having something that, you know, better defines that criteria is is probably helpful.

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You you if someone were files race violation and complaint would it be helpful to have some sort of structure in place What is there any is there any value in sort of codifying this? >> So, I would think under Robert's rules

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that any chair has the right to call a member of the public at order and they're deemed out of order and they don't get into order for a warning and they ask to to be removed. Um, I also think that certain and I'm not I don't I actually haven't seen the

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video so I'm not going to talk about the specific example. I think certain behavior could could result in being asked to leave immediately based on abusive language. As far as it being a disorderly person's offense, uh, that would give the court the ability to

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fine items to fell some jail. I I doubt any any reasonable municipal judge would put somebody in jail for speaking out at a meeting. Um, but it would give it would have more teeth to it than just being asked to to be removed from meeting. Um, but even

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what we do, you know, uh, there's been people who've been out of order here before and I've been in meetings where they've been asked to leave but they've gone and back in the next meeting because they have a right to be here. Um, so I don't I don't know that I'm really answering your question. Um, I think this was trying to be more of a

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deterrent um, and to give I think here we have a lot of authority. We're sitting up here in suits. Uh, you're the mayor of the town and we call people to order. They're called to order and they typically we say tell somebody that their their three minutes are up. Most times respect will sit down and I'm here

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to to back you up when we are. I think in some of these advisory committees those chairs lack that same respect and that same um, authority and I think I think Deputy Mayor was attempting to try to empower these chairs and give them a little bit more authority in those meetings to gain

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control. I'm not I'm not saying I'm not for or against this ordinance. I was asked to put together by the deputy mayor, I put it together. I think penalties would be in line with any ordinance offense of municipality. Maybe that's too severe, maybe it's not. Um, um >> So, I know with some of our traffic

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ordinances, we spell out Okay, this is the range of fines or this is the range of >> You can certainly do that, but I think there's a threshold issue as to whether or not we want to deem this to be a disorderly person offense that could as some >> Cuz you do there is a disorderly person

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ordinance here. So, if you saw somebody before to what's a traditional disorderly person, you could obviously be charged as disorderly person's offense. This is creating a new category of disorderly person where you have a higher threshold for decorum in a meeting.

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So, you know, typically talking out of turn or talking over somebody would not rise level of disorderly person's offense cuz this was trying to create another definition of disorderly person when you're in a public meeting or an advisory committee and and you act that way that it would fall under disorderly person. >> So, why would you put this together

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without the video and understanding the circumstances of what happened? >> Because you said it's irrelevant. What I mean if it's not really relevant to me as to what happened. I'm not trying prevent something that happened prior. I've done this in other towns where we tried to set the quorum and we've had it and had to do it. I wasn't This isn't

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designed to penalize the person or to say he's right or wrong in that instance. It was just simply if there is an unruly meeting, what additional I was asked to prepare something that would provide additional um consequences to that individual.

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>> Okay, from Mr. Cosgrove's voice, he said this was in due to his wife's comments and interaction with a certain resident, so I thought you would have watched the video. >> Instead, okay. >> I think regardless of the circumstances,

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I think we've had over the years issues come up in meetings uh it was necessary to take control of the meeting or to eject individuals. Um I'm not necessarily opposed in concept to this. I just think that we

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have to be careful so that we don't violate anyone's civil rights, free speech rights. Um but at the same time, I think there are certain standards of decorum that need to be that I want to make sure this can't be abused. Um and I also think that we should clearly define

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what the repercussions are. Uh >> [clears throat] >> you know, charge someone with this ordinance, they ought to have an understanding of what those repercussions are. And they should be commensurate with you know, what what we think they uh

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should be, right? You're not going to send someone to jail for 5, 10 years, right? >> Right, but I mean, I I couldn't, right? There's a there's a there's a We're not going to be sending out a petty jail summons or not summons if they're going to be What >> What What What I didn't see here, though, is when you ask someone to leave, you know, what >> if they don't, you know, I mean, we

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moved away, which I'm happy to say, but there was a time where we had a policeman um at these meetings at the planning board meetings because things were getting out of hand. Fortunately, we're not there, you know, today, but again,

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um you know, this is all well and good, and I think we should have it, but what it what seems to be missing is, you know, what if you know, it's there's a summons issued by It says that someone empowered issues summons is is not usually someone in the room who who who is so empowered. So, I think we need to

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kind of think through that process and part of the process is >> And I And I And I agree 100%, and shouting, yelling, creative creating excessive noise, or etc., seems to me that's That's a um That's your free speech. You're able to do that. Once

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reprimanded by the chair, gavel, and asked to leave, if they are basically trespassing and and not and then you can be held accountable. That's not what this says. Or is trying to say.

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I think that was the intent. I don't think it's fully there yet. Okay, so from that standpoint then absolutely and I agree with it. You should have some line of repercussion of remediation how to fix that event. However, free speech when somebody's yelling, arguing, etc.

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Well within the bounds. I mean I look at this you know, I remember a time in here when everyone was screaming yelling at [clears throat] each other. It was crazy three four years ago. It was probably the days. So you know, from that standpoint if we want to model this to say okay, if someone is being belligerent to the

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chair refusing to leave refusing to comply with Robert's Rules, etc. Then I'm fine with it. But it has to meet that bar. >> So I think it sounds like the intent is to do something here, but we want to

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make sure the language is carefully crafted and they're spelled out and it sounds like it needs more work. So I think the first [clears throat] amendment violation would come in when the chair issues a warning and silence person not on the subsequent you know, some of the complaint may or

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may not be issued. But yeah, I I'll have to take another swing at it. I I think it's like my third or fourth swing at it. I don't know how I'm going to get there for you guys. I'm going to try. This is kind of a hard concept but again I'm thinking

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>> Well, I think other towns have done this before, right? So is there a model for this? >> I I have modeled it but not with the issuance of some. I have issued what is you know, considered decorum for a meeting and what the chair's role could be and what

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the attorney's role could be in in asking members to leave. >> So so is what saying other towns don't have >> I don't know if they do or they don't, Mayor. I just I haven't seen it. >> And I I really don't like the concept anyways. If you're sitting here yelling and you refuse to leave, okay, I'm going to give you a summons. I'd throw them in

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jail. You know, if there ever rises to that level of a spectacle, throw them in jail. I mean, honestly, if if if they you know, who can't afford a $65 to $185 ticket or a $500 double parking ticket? You know, let's, you know, in that

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sample. So, if you're going to put teeth in it, let's put some teeth in it. >> Yes. As I said, I think we need to define what the penalty is. >> [clears throat] >> So, let's have Mr. Canter take this offline and

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perhaps we can all provide some feedback to help direct him as he's working to tighten this up and make it more complete. Um and we can we can take it from there, but I mean, I I I I I think we should

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have mechanisms to maintain decorum. There should be be precautions if someone is acting inappropriately and they have been warned and they do not stop that behavior. Um then, you know, there has to be a mechanism to maintain decorum, but there needs to be appropriate penalties and we

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need to know what those are and, you know, we should have a penalty. >> Yeah. I So, I've just been listening for the most part. I I think that's the right route to leave it with Jared. Thank you, Deputy Mayor, for bringing it forward. I

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think it's something to be considered and, you know, I'm glad we don't have that kind of action up here, like we did. And to Michael's point, it came from the dais a lot of times as well, which was really disgusting. So, we want to make it a welcoming environment in the audience and here.

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So, I think it has to just take it very >> And I would think a fine is probably I wouldn't go. If somebody does something egregious, then they they commit a crime. Meaning if they were swinging at somebody or if they were they were you know, threatening somebody physically, then

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that is a crime that's an assault. So, we're talking about something less than an assault, but more than just, you know, an admin participant. Which is Yeah, so we again define that kind of thing

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first and foremost protecting first amendment. Thank you. Okay, public comment. Okay, thank you very much. The public comment period is now for final comments from the community who are invited to speak. To offer your comments, please come to the left turn,

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clearly state your name, and whether you are a Millburn resident and/or property or business owner. Please do not provide your full address since our meetings are recorded and are readily available to the public. A reminder that in order to help facilitate a friendly meeting, we ask that all be heard, and you shall limit

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their comments to a 3-minute session. I'm a resident Shade Tree Advisory Board member. I'm not speaking on behalf of the board, just myself, but as Jay I acknowledge me in the crowd, just wanted to thank the committee as a whole for advancing that that code revision and

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for specifically for sponsoring it. I think it definitely gives the foresters some necessary tools to carry out our job and to basically carry out the town's mission to advance its goals in terms of forest and tree management. So, thanks

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for that. And also, since it came up, I just thought I'd make a quick design comment. I definitely would like to see the the plan. I would appreciate if that was would be posted for the Short Hills train station. I think Mr. Keller one of the information sessions and made a very good proposal about maybe a

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traffic circle. I I know if that would practically work, you know, with the space, but that's a very good idea that you should look into. Thanks a lot. >> Thanks for your input. >> [clears throat] >> Uh Bill Kerchner, Melbourne resident. Um there's some interesting issues brought

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up tonight. I just wanted to uh give some of my views. I think as far as the disorderly persons ordinance, I mean it's such a fine line. And and trying to picture this, I'm thinking that once somebody starts to yell or says something they shouldn't, uses language they shouldn't,

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um and is told by by the uh chair, you know, to stop it, and they don't, um I think pretty soon they get to something where they're, you know, if they rush the mayor or they

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uh throw something, I think you get very quickly towards a law enforcement matter. And I think the police, if they're not there, have to be called. So, I think I'm not sure what room there is in between those. Something I think that's part of the difficulty maybe we're having on defining this. So, maybe it's something that um

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seems good in theory, but it's not really there's not really states for it. That That's my thought on that. As far as the data centers, um I think we're all being concerned about that, you know, in this country now. Um I think as far as defining

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um a dedicated data center, where where everything is a big warehouse that's churning out, you know, things for for crypto or for AI, um we should be able to differentiate that from support data. So, we can have a large office with a certain number of

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servers where that's support for the office. I think if that isn't defined yet in the ordinance, we should be able to do that. Maybe even by square footage or number of servers, but I think those are a couple of things that uh you know, really are very different. Um lastly,

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my personal feeling about the members of a committee, you know, choosing their own chair. I feel it is more democratic, it's more appropriate as a rule. And I feel that after the members they're volunteers who have been chosen or approved by the Township

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Committee or the mayor, and they're responsible people. And once they're seated there, and there is somebody from the Township Committee who who looks in on that committee. Um I think they should be allowed to pick their mayor. I think they're perfectly capable, and I think if they tend to fall into something year after

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year where they just choose the same person, I think that can be addressed with at least a suggestion by the Township Committee representative. So I very strongly believe that all these committees the chosen volunteers should choose their own chair, my opinion.

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Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> Jay Morialli resident, thank you Mr. Kahn for the explanation of why the ordinance was pulled. Uh kudos to the entire Township Committee on the progress on the 19th Street litigation.

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Uh Committee member Mr. Rudo, Working Man's Shed was the name of the dead cover band that [clears throat] played. Uh and congratulations Alex for 10 years. I didn't realize it was 10 years. It actually feels like quite a bit more.

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>> [laughter] >> Uh we we we have uh spent plenty of time together. Over that time, I've always found you to be very accessible, uh very thoughtful. Uh you listened to all of my uh ranting and

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raving. Uh I think and I I just think the town is very lucky to have you. So thank you for all you do. >> I'm Jerry Phil. Just some comments from the discussion for today. Heating discussion.

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As regarding the minutes regarding various advisory committees, I think we should be looking at Robert's Rules cuz usually Robert's Rules will control and maybe when you start drafting the ideas, looking to that first. Understand what needs to be in the minutes.

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Um also in the proposed, I think, first reading ordinance for the art committee, there was a provision that's a little broader than other ones for removing for removal of sitting members. And you might and cuz it is really about the

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rights, what has to be done to remove a sitting member, that you might want to look at all your other um um committee ordinances or that you have a consistent pattern. Now, as your free speech

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discus- discussion and uh sorely person, be very careful. I was in the hearing after the mayor of Orange was arrested, hammered to 2007. It was an organized removal of a gay

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man. It was organized by the police to harass people. Be very careful about these free speech issues. Considering also that I'm speaking at it because the township has followed a motion to suppress my

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free speech. They wanted me to wanted me to pay money. You know, we're there when they lost [clears throat] various motions. We had the city attorneys in their meetings saying they want to get them follow motion with the assignment attorney to restrict my access. Based on

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what occurred tonight, I think the community should be thanking me. I was the one that was the only resident that was in the meeting on July 30th, 2021, and look where it took us 5 years to correct that error. Be very careful going down limiting free

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political free speech citizens, protecting you and being watchful for your community. >> [clears throat] [clears throat] >> Christine Mast, Millburn Township. Um, I just want to thank you very much, um, Frank and Ben and Jamie for, um,

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acknowledging what I have to say. I don't try to make trouble for the planning board or for The planning board wasn't involved in this, but for the engineering, but I have Actually, I have a friend who's I watched somebody build a builder build a retaining wall literally not even a

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foot off her property line. And, you know, I actually advised her because I know a lot about the the laws cuz I researched them and, um, cuz I've been affected. And, you know, that was very upsetting to watch somebody that was on the planning board basically lower this person off. So, I've seen a lot of

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things. I I mean, there's a house that's still their front yard's falling down. I'm really not sure how that got by engineering, but there's a lot of errors that happen. And, Alice, this wasn't directed at you. It's just a I just want to bring that up. Um, so, you know, one of the things I also think

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is really important is that, you know, there are definitely zoning codes and set back rules and things like that, accessory dwellings and all that jazz. But, engineering is extremely subjective. I mean, even though it's an art and it's a science. And, so, when

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you place all three drywells on the downward slope side angled at one house, okay, that is going to, you know, eventually hit you, okay, before his first house, that's irresponsible engineering. That's cheap engineering.

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So, when I did my drainage again, cuz I didn't want to be sued by one of the people below me, I actually had separate dry well locations and different laundries all in my front yard and had everything going into separate drains, so it was dispersed across my yard, so

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it wouldn't nail one neighbor more. And so, what I'm really asking is this land engineer who I think neglects to do a lot of things in town. He's very well known. Should actually He can easily put a dry well. You can actually sink, even though it's uphill, you can sink a dry

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well down in the front yard. It just costs a little bit more money. But when you're spending $4.5 million on a house and you're next to another $3.5 million on a house, what's another $5,000 in my mind? So, that your neighbor doesn't get soaked. So, that's what I'm really asking for. I'm also asking for them to

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do engineering um on the pool because there's a retaining wall and there's certain laws around actually when you install a pool where an area has been backfilled around the retaining wall that there has to be certain quality of soil available. So, that's the other thing that I wanted to talk to you about and I wanted to just quickly and thank

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you cuz I would love to have a meeting and explain it. I'm really not trying to be a problem. I'm really concerned. Um I have a lot of respect for you, Mr. Cosgrove. I'm very very concerned about um your proposal and I understand what happened with your wife and I I feel

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really badly. Um but I I have watched where I have been pushed back and gaslit by the ex-mayor and basically and I know I have to go, but I was gaslit to wait where I would have been doubled and I don't want us to have an effect like that and I'm a nice person and I don't

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like that. >> [clears throat] >> Uh Harry Heller, 343 Melbourne Avenue, 35 minutes to go. Alex, probably nobody more than me and you know that it's been years. Alex was um to the wall says many of us were when complete streets

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started and the town administrator left I think July 1st, 2016. Is that right? A tough period of time and a lot of growing and a lot of awareness came about. In that context, the downtown. Um I'm pleased that the executive

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director has left. I think he was a complete failure. Very good at marketing. The special improvement districts were not started to be marketing organizations. I helped start South Orange, Bloomfield, Montclair, Millburn. Uh infrastructure.

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Downtowns had to compete against malls, strip centers, and Route 10s, Route 22s, the internet. We haven't changed. Uh COVID changed things as well. Uh complete streets was a complete design disaster, a great concept.

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It got started, it got to Main Street, and it eliminated left-hand turns. Uh bus still makes a left-hand turn that it shouldn't be doing. It was making a right-hand turn from Oakland Avenue to Main Street. Uh we need to re-evaluate which is that evaluate what doesn't often happen

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is to go back and look at what we did. We spent 6.8 million, 7 million dollars. A million two was returned to the town. We didn't even spend the right amount. Phase two, phase three was not done. Uh Alex and yourselves are trying to do a good effort piecemeal. Main Street

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[clears throat] East, uh in front of the deli, down in front of Lackawanna to homes, upper Midland Avenue, we're going to call that upper Midland Avenue because it goes uphill. It looks like hell. And it needs to be changed. It needs to be changed in the context of a larger

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plan. Complete streets, any bad name or another name, needs to be looked at again. And they may go for two-way traffic, slip lane, they may go for the drop-off plan, the train station, and the project that Annie says. There's a lot going on.

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Um and you mentioned that I mentioned I guess first the the Annie Sez property. Hey, we we can deal with it after. We we know there's going to be a problem, but in the context of a larger plan, let's start that in the context of a larger plan. And then you mentioned Kellogg Park. I'm on the Main Street, the left-hand turns.

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There's a couple of empty lots. You've addressed some issues about vacant properties. What what about vacant land? Um, we have Alex and you can correct me if I'm wrong. We passed the ordinance about delivery trucks. It's not being enforced, and I can tell you your police officers and DPW, nobody

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that I've met and talked to even knows that it exists. I'm not even sure that the the council even remembers what what you approved. Um, let's do something. Vacant store ordinance [clears throat] with regard to signage. It needs to come down. I think it still exists on Professional Audio. There's

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just a lot of little things that make up the greater whole. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone online? >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. With that, I will close public comment. Um, DC respect this. There are no

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any concerns >> All right, just want to thank everybody for coming out and Mr. Kersey, thank you for your points. I always learn something when you speak. I appreciate it. Uh, that's it for tonight. Thank you. >> Any [clears throat] other comments?

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>> I have nothing to add. >> Um, Deputy Mayor Cosgrove? >> Nothing yet. Thank you. >> Anyone else screwed up? >> Thank you for everybody's uh uh engagement. [clears throat] Appreciate it. >> Ready? Uh,

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that case, uh I have no comments. Uh, Mr. McDonald, any comments? Sir. Attorney Cantor? >> I have no comment. >> All right, in that case, motion to adjourn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. Thank you. >> All right, get your stuff and get back to work. that. Thank you.

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>> Okay, let's get you the back shot. Thanks for coming in today.