testing. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. I was just trying to make it so I want you to see Okay. Yeah guys, you have to push the the button speaking. So otherwise
so this is mute. Unfortunately, we can't put them all on at the same time. Okay, we're only g away. All right. In accordance with section five of the open public meetings act chap
chapter 31 law 1975 be advised that no notice of meeting was made by posting on the bulletin board at town hall and serving the officially designated newspapers of the meeting annually indicating that this meeting take place at the Milbour Board of
Education Center building at 700 p.m. on May 12th 2025. We have two oaths of office to be taken tonight and then we'll do the roll. We have uh David Bradford that's being voted to a class four member. Correct.
Eileen full member full member and um Steve and Steve uh being um was as an alternate member. Okay. So if each of you would just raise your right hand and repeat
after me. I state your name. Do you affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States of the United States and Constitution of the State of New Jersey and bear true faith and allegiance to
the same. I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and to the governments established in the United States. Governments established in the United States. state and in this state under authority of the people authority of the people do further solemnly swear
swear that I will faithfully andly andly faithfully and perform all the duties all the duties of the office of board of adjustment member of adjustment board
according to the best of my ability according to the best of my ability Help me God. So help me God. Congratulations. Steve, when you get a chance, you can sign that and then I'll notoriize and good to go.
Okay. Andrew here. David Bradford Rosen. Regina Truit. Neil Mino Roberts here. Steven Cohen. Vice Chair Joseph Cfield here. Chair Jessica here. Okay. So, first I just want to announce
um that we have some changes to the agenda tonight. Uh the first one is calendar 4014. The property location is 19 Reef Circle. The applica cop um that is going to be
carried to July 14, July 14, 2025. And that will be the carry dates are uh to this meeting. Eileen, that's correct. Okay. That will be carried to this location, the um
board of education building at at 7:00 on uh July for 14th. Okay. Yes. Okay. July 14th. Uh Milbour, 434 Milbour Avenue at 7
p.m. The next one, calendar 428-25. The property location is 30 Jefferson Avenue. The applicant is Mark Stack Daglo. That matter is being carried to June 30th. Again, it's going
to be at the same location, the board of education education center, um June 30th at ALS, uh 7 p.m. And then the final application, the calendar calendar
4023-24 location 31 Talbot Court and the applicant is Gregory Tolchinsky. Um that is al also be carried. Eileen, when is that being carried to? That's going to be carried as well to
July 14th, 2025 at the this location, the Milbourne Board of Education Education Center. So, moving along of minutes for uh March 35. Does anyone have any corrections or
changes? In favor, I Okay, those minutes are approved. And then we have one resolution. It's calendar 4012-24, Asin Mundra, 55 Locust Avenue.
Do we have any corrections or changes? I don't see or hear anything. Would to make a motion. Make a motion to calendar. Do I have a second? I'll second.
Sean Johnny. Gary Rosen. Yes. Regina Truit. Yes. Not here. Joseph Kfield. Yes. Jessica Glatt. Yes. David Bre. Yes.
Okay. Um, so now up we have calendar 974-24. Property is 389 Milbour Avenue and the applicant akin to 389 Mil LLC. Good evening, Madame Chairwoman and
members of the board. Mr. Yeah. So, uh, Tony, for you and for anyone else who's going to using that microphone tonight, because we are in a different location, it is imperative that each person speaks in the mic
almost like it has. Yeah. As we say in the biz, you have to eat the mic. So, number one side, you have to press that green button. Hello. There we go. Perfect. Madame Chairwoman, members of the board, my
name is Anthony Cersei. I am with the lawmary and final site plan for the proposed four new garage keeping the
existing day spot. renovating the existing well and offering it restrict unit for the township. We require a DV variance from
the density requirement and as a result we require four yes excuse five affirmative yes votes and there are other variances that
our planner will go through. We have three expert witnesses. Hello. Three expert witnesses we have. We have Richard Keller as a civil engineer.
We have Chun Fang as the architect, Harold Maltz as a traffic engineer, and then we'll call Richard Kelly for the planning testimony. Madame Chairwoman, I may call my first witness.
Thank you, Richard Keller. Yes, I did. Keller. K E L L E R. Closer. Closer. Closer. Closer. Very close. You have to really close. Yeah.
Give the board members the qualification and experiences you have for civil engineering and a professional planner. Good thing we're past that co era, right? I'm a licensed professional engineer and
planner in the state of New Jersey uh since 1989 and 90 so close to to over 35 years. Um I have science and engineering from Ruse University with a concentration in water resources and environmental engineering and I also hold a master masters in architecture
from the New Jersey Institute of Technology where I was also adjunct professor in the school of architecture both graduate undergrad for approximately years. My licenses are good effect. I have provided uh testimony before this board, the planning board as well as approximately
110 words to the state of New Jersey. I have offered uh planning to the uh burrow of Caldwell as well to the township of Longhill. I was also the Longhill engineer to the planning board approximately years. I've also provided
engineering consulting services of the board planning board, excuse me, in South Orange Village. Um, licenses are in good effects. Nice to be back. Your qualifications have been accepted. Thank you. Uh, so I decided to put my drawings over
there. I'll try to run back and forth and make sure the new board members could see them and turn them side. So if any public Jeffrey's already relocated. Perfect. Um, so the property itself, and I hate using these, myself, some members of the board, too, but I will occasionally use a laser. The property
is designated as 3 Avenue, block 1211, uh, lot 5. It is a a 50 by 150 foot site that is located um on the westerly side of uh sorry the
norly Milurn Avenue which is county road 527 it's intersection with the westerly side of spring street 150 foot site it's a parallelogram in shape uh contains just under 75 7428 square feet or.17 acres and
B4 central business district. So I have a couple of exhibits um which introduced I think that the our parking engineer uh is going to use it as well. So my first exhibit will be A1. I'll mark it in a second labeled parking exhibit. It is
near uh.com imagery. Uh the photograph was June 2024 the midm morning. Uh and this this was prepared by Keller dated March 7th, 205. In addition to showing the property in question with existing building um
the overall site located um it also shows its context within the community. Mr. We'll discuss its proximity to uh mun municipal lot 19 uh which is business per permit parking uh municipal lot uh six um as well as available uh
parking along the streets and also shown is hall town hall plaza um municipal lot 5 is shown on the same drawing from uh from that drawing we are located at the westerly end of the the
uh westerly end of the B4 district, the B4 district ending was the Wells Fargo, now the hearth uh 53 unit apartment complex. We're on that same block. So immediately next to us is the residential barber shop. Next to that
yoga uh yoga is in here and then there's Kubic and Kubic um hearing and optitians are there although I see it for rent sign. I know was sold recently so I'm not sure if tended for much longer.
Um, hearth is located across the street is the Baptist Church church. Across on the east street is uh the ethical mattress. another public parking lot or parking lot that's associated with um
the Merry Con building and one of the other retail spaces work into the town town uh the town hall plaza the um on our street on Essex Street is uh
grooming shop and an early education center uh fill up that block. People do park along uh street to get access into the back door by yoga barn which is immediately to to our left. Um the
uh plan changes to uh any of the parking along Milbour or Spring Street as a function of this application. So just a little bit about the current tenant. The current tenant is Lya Despa. Um the applicants are herely uh back up any of
my uh my factual uh testimony I'm going to give about their operation. Uh Emily uh is the primary um operator and manager of the lanyard day. Uh she and her husband David uh fun um the property
through an LLC. They are long-term residents Milbour. They opened their first in 200 uh 2012 further up Milbour Avenue and in 2018 uh late 2018 they purchased the former American Cross building uh which is the subject of this
application and re themselves as the Lia despot that building was built found an exact date it's a brick a white brick building that that was approximately mid mid20s appro haven't found an accurate date yet I've got a number dates in the
20s that that building was originally built uh and then as I said is occupied by the American Red Cross for a number of years. Services that clients offer in the day-pa which will remain primary occ sole retail occupant of the uh the white building in the front. They offer
facials, massage and reflexology, dry saunas, body scrubs, body waxing. They operate uh basically 9:30 to 8:00 p.m.ish um as required 7 by only primarily singles and couples. Uh the
man is always present on the site is um or another manager. The max can repeat slowly the hours of days and hours of operation please. Sure. Seven days per week 9:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m.ish. Thank
you. The um the maximum number of employees occurs over the weekends, Friday, Saturday and Sunday and that is five employees and that includes the manager whether or another manager. Uh since 2016
um employees live at 17 Recctor Street which is a legal um three family dwelling that is and her husband. So that's where their employees have lived and walked to work uh since they moved to this site since even before they moved to the site site. Um the uh Emily
and the managers certainly park in the tandem spaces all over and the site uh when I get there otherwise although there's a walk for future there is there is parking uh reserved on site for is four parking spaces allocated to the day
spot. the uh I would point out that uh their prior resolution when they um signed the in the back and um uh along with the garage actually just site plan approval to restripe the park uh moved in. Um it was it was probably a bump up
in the parking B4 district had the parking exemption required to come before. They did indicate that they would buy up to five parking permits for their employees. They would continue to do so. Um if required by this board deliveries to the day spa are
infrequent. Um basically uh about every two months it might be a UP truck otherwise only actually picks up the spa supplies uh as well as any complent cleaning supply uh um bathroom supplies etc uh at local warehouses it to the
site herself from the site is picked up by David or uh and disposed of through his business or it's taken by the people who clean uh uh the day spa multi-weekly on a multi times
the um for the day spa um the uh uh they will continue to use that for the for the apartments they'll solar uh and the spa intends to be open during during the construction of of the project if this board were to approve it. I think that
covers the salient operational um information about the client. Uh and again um my client here if the board wants any confirmation or clarification of those hours
question is the um laundry service is it an is it a delivery kind of service in or they do it on site uh that's a good don't know if they on site it's uh I I can ask for and other wash on site
washing machines and dryers so there isn't traffic related to that. No, so there's no and I apologize the my clients um speak comfortable about that. So um I'm going to present that to my verify that
but the um the laundry is done on there is no delivery. Um Rich, can I ask clarification in terms of the parking? Um just go over for the number of uh parking spaces currently
for the for the DVA and being proposed with the development in terms of parking spaces for the business. Yeah. So the out of order on my uh testimony, but I'll get to that. I'm going to go to u our survey.
Could you remember to hold the microphone up which is sheet three uh boundary topographic survey it's identical have it for you so we won't mark it in evidence the um the survey shows there are spaces on the site along with with
three uh spaces on the site exist currently there uh the four which includes one handicap and three so there's a total of seven today and as a part of part of the application uh for site plan approval will they'll be provided four tandem
spaces so two rows of two uh and when I get to the site plan sheet I'll show function so we're going from seven spaces currently in site for the day spa use seven spaces on site down to a total of four are proposed and we have parking
expert will talk about um how the uh uh parking on site is is new park site available permit parking and street parking there's more than adequate parking site to uh to handle this proposed applic um with regard to the so it's only four
tandem spaces for the business correct how many if any are patrons versus employees there none patrons thank you and that's kind of consistent with businesses in the downtown you want them
to use available surface parking. Um this is actually the end of town. It's called the shoulder district um by our one of our studies about that when I do my planning proofs. Um so there is generally there was a parking problem during the con conrath uh when they had
some of the parking was taken up etc. uh since completion there really has been no police about I'll get into that my testament a little bit later as so we proposing uh parking for um any patrons
of is adequate parking with uh suitable times available in the area as m as Mr. malts we'll discuss and that's consistent with good planning. You want people to come to your downtown. You want them to walk other shops um travel into the downtown restaurants etc. So
we'll certainly get to that testimony uh when I do my planning testimony with regard to the uh the survey traffic and circulation. Mil Avenue as you know is one way heading east with the turn lane
to turn to Spring Street. uh bump out in the uh in the sidewalk area uh gives way to an expanded pavement as it runs up Spring Street now being one way uh north south to the north off of uh uh off of Milbourne
Avenue. The the site has no vehicular access off of Milbourne Avenue, but there is currently vehicular and there will be proposed vehicular off of Spring Street. Spring Street being um it's interesting back in the day 15
more ago when we did the variance for Baki yoga bar they were located on spring and it was dead and workout facilities such as yoga was actually varants and part of the rationale back then bakti um to uh to get the youth
variance was that spring street was was so little used used by pedestrians and the time uh vehicular traffic. So there is vehicular traffic that uses that, but there's really very little reason these days for I go back to the
uh A1 lab. You can see that the hearth has a pedestrian um access for tenants at the uh northeast corner building. Will come out of that building. They'll come down Essex Street and either cross
over and continue up to the train, or they'll work their way down along Essex to some of the coffee shops, etc. The primary uh um public entrance is at the southwesterly corner where uh Milbour Avenue comes back together. Um those
cars coming lane, that's where the primary entrance is. So people who use that means are going to come down along Milbour Avenue. There's very little pedestrian traffic that spring. As I said, there is vehicular traffic, but there's very little pedestrian nor
anticipated to be much along along Spring Street in the future. The site itself, as was shown on this on the is relative flat. It's got subtle grades that uh
surface runoff runs to Spring Street where it's picked up in uh town collection system with inlets right in front of our property. the uh as was indicated the site is fully paid about 90 I think I said this before at about maybe I didn't
about 95% uh coverage now so we are going to be reducing some of the coverage uh as a uh as a function of this uh this application the site uh does contain that 2 and brick building and what I'll do is I'll do my a
A2 is a photo board. We're labeling a photo board number one. All photos were taken by uh myself today, May, May 12th, 2020. A nice sunny day in the morning. Um number one is looking um basically to the northwest up that intersection
showing the subject property next to the uh the president barber shop the uh the facility bat yoga set back is the Kuba and leads way to the uh to which is where Douglas ties now
looking almost straight on photograph number two you can see the land day uh that's the building that was built in approximately in the mid mid20s. Um it is it is an historic structure. It is on the historic registry or protected but isn't historic structure. Um structure
with the possible uh exception of adding some dormers on the on the roof which we may or may not do. Um that structure is intended to remain identical. So changing that historic building whatsoever. um the uh the alleyway on the left
side entrance into the uh four units of residential apartments that we're adding to the back. So there'll be entrance that slight alleyway landscaped etc. Becoming photograph number three you can see turns the corner. Um since we are uh
reworking the pavement for better parking space for the one car and better better mobility have a very large tree that is both uh uh roots are encroaching into this into the uh the curbing right on the sidewalk leaning towards the
building. That tree uh actually is either a uh we're not sure. We took a look at it a number of times. It's either of the the pear tree or it's a it's a crab apple type tree. It does small fruit. They're not town um trees
because they do drop fruit once a year. Gets kind of messy. Um that tree will be removed as will the other tree. The tree the building with landscape plan that is really designed to mimic pick up the the vernacular and vocabulary the landscaping and
patterning that was done as part of the cleat streets project that came down through this area. Will being this corner of the landscape plan when I get to it. Photograph number is now we're now looking down um to the existing three-car garage that's going to be removed. There is addition back of that
20s building that was done probably in the 70s that will removed and that will be infilled. The garage and uh that frame addition on the back will be replaced with the building which the architect will go into in a few minutes. number five is um from the uh early
child education center looking at this parking lot will remain to the to the dog grooming facility as well as possibly to the the uh to the uh early education center then this line will be replacing the back of backup backup
being building moving the garage there is a utility pole at the back corner uh does not provide uh our use uh we are calling for that to be relocated um we've to uh the power company uh will not have to put a uh they have to move
the pole but it will not a new it will not be um an additional poll. There's atorium or there's a prohibition on polls in the town. Uh but you can reloc without the the need for attention committee approval. Um it's we'll have
to see how that service company need to they can service these buildings uh since they provide to the build to the buildings that front on Milurn Avenue. And then finally photograph number six is looking at uh you see the uh the uh
end end of the 53 unit hearth. There is a a single loading dock um for 53 units on that building. Uh and there's the garage door in and out uh into the garage. And just off the photo to the right is the uh is the uh access ingress
and egress onto the existing site as it is today. I have a color of the site plan. So, this will be our A3. This is uh identical to the plan you have before you except added some color
on the site to make it a little easier to see uh the different um buildings etc. The and it's still a little diff I apologize. The um the existing um sort of light color that's the existing um
mid1 1920s uh brick building that is remaining. We will be removing the frame section that was built later on back of it. The uh the design calls for two separate driveways entrances into two separate. One the first one is for the
apartment um building use and under the uh under have a total of seven parking spaces. Two of which um are electric vehicle charging. We actually will also be adding veh vehicle charging to the handicap spot. So we will ultimately
have uh three spots for electric charging. That's uh that is is I'll talk about the zoning in a second. So we're providing parking spaces for the uh residential use and got two t for a total of four parking spaces in the uh
garage bay. Uh that is the one far lect most likely initial use be one or two spaces only. Um but it can hold as many as four and that's again solely for the um the of the uh management or workers
at the day-pa though currently and in for the foreseeable future they will walk to the site. The um rework uh we are pushing back the uh the limit of the to line up with the work that was by our when we developed the hearth further up
the street. So there's an align line also for a little more um a little more breathing room. Uh there's one existing spot that will remain uh the first spot up uh Spring Street as you move to the north and where there is currently uh striped no parking. We're going to have
an enlar area striped as no parking. Uh it is our intent actually to approval from the township committee to have that designated as uh parking/loading zone. Uh I think we can talk about the loading Sorry to interrupt. I know you're going
to go for into parking. I'm I'm a little confused about where the is now. If you could show me where you're proposing parking because I can see by your lovely garage doors you're planning to put something in here. So, currently um I think it's shown on maybe best on the photos, too.
Um there's kind of a there's kind of a um an open area runs from the back. I'm drawing on A2 uh photo number four. From the back of that additional par additional the 70s edition that was put
on the building up past the garage, there is no curb definition. So there is a a uh an open driveway that is approximately to have to juggle a microphone as well. So, we've got an open cut uh where
there's no curb for approximately 78 ft. So, there's no definition of driveway 78 coming up between the uh the back of the building and I'm drawing three now. So, I guess
Mr. I made the drawing on it, we'll have to call this A4. Is that right, Rob? Uh, correct, Mr. Kelly. What are we calling A4? A4 is the boundary boundary traffic survey. I've annotated the um approximately just
under 80 ft of open curb allows for access to the site. That being the handicap spot, empty spaces, and then three spaces into the garage. So, that's all that open area for spring on the
Now come to there are two driveways. The first is umly from current building. It's currently 22 feet up from the current building to the location of the first driveway entrance and
approximately 40 feet 44 feet from center line to center line. There is a second garage door uh that exists in the area that I just circled. Those are the two doors. Door giving access to uh a total of seven parking spaces and the
door on the right giving us to a total of four tandem spaces. I will point Um tandem spaces have been used more and more and uh in development recently when the internal for uh residents or volume
for um for uh business users I would say there's probably I don't know the exact number but there's certainly tandem spaces where you use hearth used in almost all of the single of the multif family uh developments that we do including those
that have a retail component. It's not um seen perhaps by a lot by this board, but becoming quite common throughout the development state. Rich, quick question. Uh are you or is the architect of
technical support foundations in the garage areaing on required parking space? Um probably uh you can talk to me about because we have actually uh and you
understand what I'm I'm concerned about. Yeah, we've um the columns have been designed to fit within the spaces. So, reducing the size of the parking spaces as a result of those columns. They're fairly slender. That's not a whole lot of depth between um from front to back
amount of of width from side to side. So the columns that come down on our drawing uh four location columns come down but we've sized the uh parking space 8 foot and the nine foot spaces our space so so that inside of those
columns so while it is uh tight the spaces are size perance of 9 by 23 and those columns uh sit in a gap designed to be those 9 foot stripe spaces.
left side has seven, right side has four. Not not not my exhibit, but I think um we're we're referring to uh one of the architect renderings um just for the M truitt um showing what some of the architects color color were submitted.
Just to follow that a little bit, Rich, the the seven spaces that reserved for the residential tenants the two double spaces that they're divided there there's a between them. Is it just
ballards or a wall or something? I you can't get from one space area of spaces to the other. Can you actually in internally you can walk between right but drive a car? Can't drive a car. Yeah, they're isolated from driving. So on our on our sheet five,
the is which is A3, the slight darker shade is the part that is covered at the first floor way out to the street. Uh there is a section to the to the left or to the west where that circul areas that cover uh that area in there, one of one
of the planners. B our intent was that was either going to be concrete uh since it is covered uh by circulation above so that uh um and then be actually can back into that area. Uh there was a comment add some ballards we can add
some ballards to protect the building next to us since that's part of the backup and the turnaround. So there's we have laid turning temp all of this works both the back out um from the four spaces so they don't compete with any of the uh the angle spaces across spring
street and we can actually get out without hitting the building maneuver get out onto spring from any of the uh residential units um as well. So there's no there's no cont uh as was indicated we think it's probably a good idea to put some B on the end of our building so
that there's no possibilityility of stacking in uh to the building next door would be uh that would be certainly uh agreeable as any of approval this board might grant did you say that you provide attorney template to the board? I didn't I have uh I have attorney sle
copy of attorney template that I went over with the police that sure the you go to uh page number five talk about the parking there because it it it's it's outlined on I think it does
a good lay of it but it looks like I can't quite tell which which one the spaces. Okay. So as you this is sheet five which has been okay and so um where you see the bold hatching that's the that's the one door
to the parking area right turn right these are these are stripes only there a column at at locations in inside that are space so someone can turn in park in
the first electric um charging the second electric charger ing station there. There's third space and finally the fourth space um that they can turn in. All of those are sized to be uh 9 by 19 which is our 10 standard. Alternately you can turn in there's a van accessible
space so it's required to be 8 and 8 or ft but if you have a your first handicap always has has to be uh accessible which is 8 foot and 8ing. So that's the 8ft striping and 8 foot. And just past that column there are two more spaces. So we
have a total of three spaces including the large in on the left and then we have a total of four spaces on the right on that door. Okay. And I would point out um within that um the refu area is tucked between the building wall within
the building refu uh area. They will keep it in 75 g 75 gallonable containers that will be taken away by private recycling and refu will fit into that area. There's also right behind
that a bike um that can fit between the refues and the building. And um there's a smart lock system um that US uh Amazon all the delivery companies have a code for it. Um, basically you get to get a code of the for the they're all
different sized containers. They open up, they put the box in, you get an you get a text that your package is can be in um drawer number three, whatever the the nomenclature is, and you get to pick you pick that up at the end of the day.
So all of the uh the deliveries, there's no dedicated package room handled in Luxer one smart system. Uh that's right inside. So theoretically an Amazon or UPS would pull over in the no parking area which we're that we can designate
as a temporary loading zone. They can go drop the packages and off they go. The um as as I said we're widening that that first parking space but we are not removing uh parking spaces along Spring Street. There is a staircase for ver
circulation that's shown on this. So that refer to that between uh the barber shop and the building that's where we have a series of ballards and I'll show you in the landscaping plan. We havecaped area coming in into a case
that stair case provides access up into uh the the um four units be biased uh along back circulation core. There's an existing one-story apartment on the first level. It will be modified to
allow that to be full height. So, it'll still be a three-bedroom apartment, but it'll take uh the first floor as well as the next two two for uh canand into first one and a half next one and a half floors. So, all of the proposed units in the archite this are designed to be
three-bedroom, including the uh including the uh afford to take you out of time there, but um just stick with the parking. Do you have two ADA spaces? Are you required to ADA ADA? It's only one. It's a van accessible
space, so it's eight and eight. We're showing it. I'm just looking at the topology report. We're only have one. If you're less bases, you're required to have one. Yep. Van access. And Rich, for clarification,
in terms of the ex the existing apartment on the bedrooms is currently in that apartment. I refer to the architect since I've not been in that. Yeah. You you said three and I think that's that's what I want. Yeah. I think I what I meant was the the unit will redemised.
It'll be restructured to be a threebedroom when it's complete. Thank you. On multi floors. So it actually is the most spacious. It has footage of all the units um just by nature of its
building. So it is actually uh unlike many low and moderate, it's not the smallest smallest, it's actually the unit, but they're all three threebedroom units proposed. one existing that's being redemised to be uh three bedrooms and then four new units which are all three bedrooms and the architect go over
the the layouts. There is a and then finally uh at the very end of uh external area that's covered by circulation. And there's a second there's a second uh that does allow for access area the u so
there is we believe meets fire code through the internal through the uh fire rate staircase as well as the external we uh obviously as part of any approval might grant this would have to get uh building permits which would need
to be fully approved by the fire department uh as well as the building officials. I go to our sheet unless anybody about the specific grading. I'm going to skip our sheet six and I'll go to our sheet. And this would be five.
Is this part of the site plan set? It's part of the site plan set, but it's colorized. Okay. So, we're up to I'm sorry. So, this is A5. And what is A5? A5 is a color version of the lighting and landscaping plan that is dated
21204 and revised DRC comments on 7-Eleven 2024. Other than the color, it's the same sheet that you have before you. Basically, what this is intended to show is there is some on the left side, you'll see there's some bothered lighting as a mounted light just to give
a gentle glow into that uh path for safety and security. There is a gate at the front tenants will have access to that gate and get into the staircase to get circulation. And then on the right side is our lands landscan. So, we've got that area. Uh we've got a series of
different rubs and annuals uh ground covers etc. articulate that pedestrian access up into the apartments. And then on the right side we have sought to um mimic and uh the vernacular and the
materials um uh the sort of work that was done in the bumpouts both we were the engineers and landscape architects for that as well as um um what's been on all of the other pop out corners. So, um there is uh the one
that's being removed. There are two trees that are being removed. One is a 12 in. The other is 4 in. 4 in does not need to replace, but we are replacing um we're putting two uh new So on the corner we've got a green
zulova. This is a high branched tree that um the limbs are high enough so that vans and and can car don't hit the branches and also fear with visibility doesn't uh encroach on the sight triangle vehicles that are out of either
of the two driveways. Uh Greenbell Zalkova is one of those that may or may not be native and I know our forester is is a a push to native. So if we have to we'll replace it something that would be a high branch tree um that is maintained
above the branches are above six feet um so that no interaction like no visibility issues etc. And then there are also uh two smaller trees. The China are going in. Uh there are two locations for the China. Um one
um and one up near the uh uh there's a door basement um um kind of shielding in that landscaping. So and the rest is just ground cover and perenn uh and annuals and and bushes and shrubs etc.
And again, some of that um it's all designed with that same um species used throughout the downtown. Some of that does um because of proximity because the recall buildings can go property line to property line or zero setback in the uh
in the zone. Um and since they've put the bumpouts, we're taking advantage of articulate landscape into that bumpout. So some of the landscaping does cross over the line into the township rightway. done in a tasteful uh doesn't interfere with any sight triangle uh
issues. We willing to uh to sign off that we would take full own of maintenance and that and enter into any agreements that the town should require. Um it's really consistent with what the uh people did the uh the complete streets did when they uh helped a new um
landscape pattern. the uh cover the proposed uh engineering essentially we are reducing the amount of coverage so we don't have to do any any sort of management the uh the
project does need a number of variances Uh the first we need is a D5 variance for the maximum resident residential 25 dwelling areitted. Um that would be based upon our would
allow.26 units. So u that rounds down four. Uh but the difference between 46 and the proposed five is obviously only 74. So we're fairly close. And I'll talk about uh other densities in the downtown. Um, so we're at 29.3 units uh
per acre that proposed and as I said um we're seeking relief to round.7 um 735 or 7 uh units up to be five dwelling units. We also need seat seed from uh loading. Um as a building with
five dwelling units, one loading space is required where none is proposed. The um so we variance for that. Also need a variance for the minimum parking requirements. The five dwelling units require 8.5 parking spaces when accounting for
EV charging station credits. Um seven are dedicated to residential. The spa requires 9.4 space where four are proposed. In total, 18 spaces are required for this
project. Efficiency of seven. I would point out a couple of um things amen space. The planner indicated we need a variance to provide outdoor amenity space for private or shared residentialities. um they're not to be visible from the
adjacent resident residential uses or zones and shall not not be visible from public away or public property. I think if uh grab my pen if we look at the uh
those those outdoor areas there's first of all some that's actually semi-encloed so that's really not part of what we're talking but on the levels there are some balconies some of which are covered and then some which are open in uh but basically the staircase um really
prohibits you from seeing down um from the like between a rich rich just to move things along I architect should talk about this because the renderings will but I think what's important is because the renderings are do not include the existing buildings in front
of so when you're looking at the uh renderings um you need to understand that the existing um building immediately to our west as well the stair tower will block any visibility from Milurn
will not see those areas and um from the adjoining properties you just there's they're basically property line property line there is a possibility that from some of the upper floors the hearth which is not contiguous to us that they'll see back um to those but they're
100 feet the um so so I don't I don't think that we need um a did we can certainly argue that when I come to my planning testimony the I would also out the planner noted that an additional uh the existing spa
requires additional loading space as a retail service use where none is provided. Uh we that's this is an existing non-conforming condition does require variance relief. Um any existing non-con is not exacerbated in our uh
belief since actually area to the spa is being reduced the square is going down. So the um so we do need um for another loading loading required and even if we did I think a small for both the
residential use and the uh the existing um real service use. I think the available parking out in front of the on Spring Street would be more than adequate. Yep. Y not going to qualify. So if you think
about we have um we have a pullout area street for um for deliveries of f food food and for um Uber pickup but you've got one loading dock on the photographs shown for fish
apartments and even that is rarely used. Um, it's used obviously as people move in, but it's not like it's used on a daily basis. And I think the same will occur with this. The time you're getting to have a space is upon move in only got units. It's not expected to happen
frequently. It can it can occur either in front of they can block either one of the garage doors from the street. Um, I don't know the height depends on the size of the uh of the vehicle that's doing the whether vehicles can actually fit and turn into the uh into the
garage, but not indicated that's part of the function. We would need a variance for providing no loading space property. We think only one is required. One is the lack of one is is an existing nonconformity and we're noticing we notice for variance relief for that and
we'll talk about that in terms of CV2 later. Where where does the sticking with this currently where does the loading the stay spot place? It's not designated. Um and I didn't see outlined
could be outlined for a resolution. So the the reality they don't get deliveries because um Emily and her husband hand Emily all the deliveries to the site basically what she needs every two months or an occasional UPS truck
every month. So now you know getting UPS or Amazon to go into a designated spot is like hurting cats. They're kind of go where they where they see an available spot. So whether they arrive in the morning, yoga uh hasn't filled all these spaces park on Milbourne Avenue, we're
hoping that they'll turn the corner and that we one spot we talked about the no parking as parking loading zone area. Okay, but it would not be on site. I just want to instruct board whether or not they meet the proofs do
think that given the nature of the application that a variance is required for the day spa for not having a loading area because basically you're reducing the area within which the activities are conducted plus you're intensifying by
adding four parts. I think that either way you slice it you're going to need a var and we'll certainly present that when I do the next question. I'm going to talk about that in a moment. That's correct. Even though they granted
the variance because they are reducing the area that's devoted to the days use even if they're reducing technically some square foot building. If you look at the overall site, they still trigger the need for that variance. Regarding, I will say um it was pointed
out that um our section that deals with um Turk vehicle equipment uh does indicate that the handicap space need at least one handicap needs to have uh electric vehicle charging um available.
So we will be adding um an additional charge of three charging stations. So we will not need a variance from 7.6 D2 which was noted in the planners report with regard to
Sure. Just in the topology report for them they're saying that it requires 20 parking spaces. Did anybody address that? Well, what I had said was it requires 18 when you to account you get to reduce your parking requirement both by or as well as state statute when
you provide EV charging capability. So it goes from 20 down to 18. Regard to rooftop amenity space um as is indicated in the topology report the DRZ prohibits throughout the town to deployment of decks platforms terraces or sim on a roof multif family mixeduse
or non-residential buildings uh for use as an space for building occupants and or guests. Um and they talk about what defines and it's a little vague as to whether they meant the uh regulation consider roof to be the exterior
covering of a building bridges the space between exterior walls. I'm not sure on top of those exterior walls or within those exterior walls but um the it's important to go back to uh the town children ordinance
34-23 and the statement of purpose of that. Um the purpose of this ordinance is to amend the township of Melbourne's zoning code to include a prohibition of rooftop decks forms, terraces, and similar features on of a building for the use as a common amenity space. So um
that's the intent and and then the language follows. The amenity spaces are not common. They're not open. They're not open to um they're for each individual unit. So, so certainly the language
is vague. I think certainly when we look at the the uh statement purpose of ordinance 2634-23 it's clear that that was referred in our mind was to refer to common amenity decks such as the ones originally proposed on the building at
Woodland Chat um the summit medical site. So this certainly is not that. Just a couple questions on that. Um, is there anything in the or whether it's the B4 or otherwise that's private balconies uh outdoor residential you're talking
about 67G4A? I I I'm good but I'm not that good. So um so that's where you talk about private or shared amendy space not being to my knowledge there's no other discussion I but I don't any other um
and and what is it when it's not being visible what does it actually say it says and I can pull my out um according to the topology it says private or shared residential amenity spaces not be visible from adjacent residential
uses shall not be visible from public rights away or public property. So, um there is no contiguous adjacent residential, right? Um and so when it comes to public property, we're thinking
that means just in this case only the streets or the surrounding parking lots, the parking lots, you can't see this because it's block by block. Then uh from the streets, the visit is blocked by either the stair tower or other block. So to me, that doesn't doesn't
apply. Okay. Well, uh, let's keep going. We'll come back to that. All right. So, I think Go ahead. Yeah. No, I I actually I I have it right in front of me. Thank Right. Um, yeah, I mean, it says what I was
looking for is actually the It says private or shared. So, so it's it's one or the other. So, you know, is is a private balcony a private, you know, residential amenity
base for the proofs. Well, the the um roof garden that has no roof on it. Um so, that is open. And I would say um while it's not on the tallest part of the building, it's not like a amenity
deck per se. Um it is sitting up high and it does not cover the one that is off the second floor living space that is covered. Um, and so I don't know that that really would apply as a as a so,
you know, if we have a if we have a a cover on the back of a house, um, counts as building coverage, it counts as um not accessory because attached to the building, there's no prohibition on on
that as a space. The front, if you have a a porch that's covered by a roof, that's not an accessory structure. So, I think the the ones off the main living space um I think I'm pretty sure that would not u foul of the um terraces exits or
prohibition. And then the uh but the the gardens on the top I think would be open to interpretation. I can't argue that the ordinance um is uh defective but live in a condo now with an open
terrace. Um it's what makes an amazing unit. Um brand new units that are going to out rent the hearth um South or downtown South Orange uh are going to do so because each one of them small uh terrace outside of their units. They're
especially since co outdoor amenity spaces are very valuable just for creating another layer for for landscaping. Okay. You you're given some excellent planning proofs. Let's get there. I'm gonna actually end my testimony. I'll answer any I'll turn to the architect, the traffic expert, the
plan, the parking expert that I can come back to uh some of those proofs. There's also B with that there's what's that uh the the outential amenities in addition to the section
about the private or shared outdoor residential it then the above provision shall not apply to private balconies and ter street facing facads. But I'm not a street facing facade that yeah I mean it's kind right some right
although you could certainly make the leap of if they're permitted facade then it would be permitted internally as well in terms of the the cover but right I'm saying let's yes let's hold off on let's see what other questions we have for the
engineer Richard do we have any Other questions from board members? Any questions from the public? Okay, I think you can call your next Yeah. Yes, I
do. Trenang cg. qualifications. Uh I um studied in South China um University of Technology and graduate from CCNY architectural school. I got my license
from 1987. I have been licensed in New York, New New Jersey and I testified in this times and also in Jersey May New Jersey uh several
places I is in good standing. Yes. Okay. Yourations have been accepted. Thank you. Yeah, the spa takes the first floor currently and they have a apartment on
the rear the ex existing building and the proposed uh is have um three apartment from first floor second floor and the third is attic you know so
only the portion is higher. So the owner is using as a study storage. Okay. Want to show uh this floor plan the first floor floor plan elevation but from the picture you can see picture a
so Mr. Fang the plan have there the elevation plan. Yes. as well as the renderings areisely what has already been supplied to the board. Yes. Okay. So, we're not
we don't need to mark them separately, but we are going to ask for the record that as you identify different plan sheets or the renderings that you identify them and what they represent. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So picture
A is uh taken from U the M Avenue can see and uh the post is in the rear and uh uh the the architecture of
this building is brick building white brick. Um we intend to u this in the new building. So we we probably use the the frame of the new building is a structural framing system and a
lightweight construction either middle or wood stud and the outside is use a thin brake. So the thin brick will look like exactly same as building. Um then from this picture
here picture B you can see uh you know this is portion portion of the building we have other buildings to show you. So this building is a flat you can see right this building because this street
is angled. So we have some um in and outs on on this new building for so some shadows here there and also the ground floor the garage we intend to use the
cow wall you can see here cow wall has been used in all municipilities in New Jersey and the advantage of this is go ahead Mr. S, do you want to
mark the material? Yeah, we can mark it because if we're going to reference it and you want marked and you want it to be of consideration, we need to do so. So material A. Okay. Hold on. So we're up to
um A6. So we're going to mark as A6. Okay. And what are we what are we describing this as? A is a sample of cow. Kw C L C A L W
Cow A L W and this material has been used used municipal possibility in this new university and we using this because we want to
introduce natural to the garage that's one thing and the second thing is this will give a a sense of a modern material you know so we don't want to me exactly 100% you know so the
facade the color and the feature the texture but then we have some little bit more modern material to have a more more look in this new building can you just point material one is here you can see
here this and this is garage door and on the on this facade you can you can saw the cow wall here and here and also in the back is cow and also can you is
that the way way that look or is other side oh yeah we we have a this side is like a more um you know like a darker border and grids and this is a light you know so we I I haven't decided best to
use but either or you know the same thing. Okay. So, so this is basically it's not a load a loading material. It's just likeing um so like I said you know this were introduced light to garage so people
using the garage would not have a feel of like a dark space. This is pretty light you know and present for people for stay inside. So this is stationary but not structural. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like window you know you see Right. And here is the back of the building. Sorry. One more question on that. Sure. Is that parking entrance to allow cars at at a time? I mean or is
for one car? Yeah it's for two cars. Yeah. Yeah. I want to mention is uh this B you know this on floor plan you can see is wider the reason for this is uh some measurement column we want to have
a 24 ft uh D you know so then you know this unit that um so you the column is a column of 24T driveway
Uh the the back of the building along the cow wall here, here here uh here's the rooftop unit. Uh to mention, you can see unit is divided by a tall wall. So
people can see each other from here is a totally private space. Uh I people really appreciate this kind of space, you know. see the concern before, but this is not the people see each other and they don't
they don't to the other roof, you know, so it's totally private. Could you just point out can you explain where that's facing out onto? This is facing the
adjacent. So here's Melbourne Avenue. Here's the other street in the front. That's right. This is like facing the space. So, is that facing where the parking for the uh groomer is and the baki? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, exactly.
So, it's looking rear. Right. In the rear. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. And can you also explain again what what the part is with that material and then what what's on top? Here's wall. You can see the the
grease. Any any you see grease cow wall. And then uh here like translucent material like you got either plastic or something like that. So people can't really see uh onto this space and people can see
throughite but but it's a the light can go through you know but the image will can see outside or can see inside. So the light can go through. Is that Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So it's opaque. Yeah, it's the Yeah. The the stair tower the
engine engineer mentioned this tower is is outside of the building phase here from from Muburn Avenue. You can't sense here because stair tower block block off
the Okay. So here you can see uh better this one you can see the stair tower is the stair tower is here Muburn Avenue is here so every all this is by the stair
tower sorry confused about the the the design are you saying that each one is is a separate apartment unit right yeah this is a two four unit so the four are you saying that the only windows it the
full real windows are at the top level and the the lower levels are all material. Uh see the this this level here is a coral and we have a case at this corner from the garage up but
there's only four units. We are legally required only one exit. This one exit is provided from the stair tower and this is for convenience you know the inside the other stairs. So here is the the garage you can see open right and then
people come up the staircase or come up this staircase use their apartments. Okay. And this one is the the master suite you know seating area behind this. So they each have
their own own private sort of and then above this is the rooftop uh deck just staying with bedroom level. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's here. Yeah,
that's here. Yeah, it has glass, you know. Either way, you know, it's a it can be glass be, you know, just solid roof. Yeah. Yeah. We currently we we show glass. Yeah. He currently we show as
glass. Yeah. Two balconies. One at the top. Yeah. Yeah. This like a balcony uh connecting with the sitting area of a master bedroom and this one is for the entire
family. They come to the ed attic and through the stairs then come out this door. That's their family b. So on this on the on this level is that also a semi-encclosed. Yes. Yes. Only one open and the rest is
all fully enclosed. A can. So, two balconies per two story unit. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Okay.
On the master level. Yes. Okay. First of all, between the material, what I'm going to call material marked as A6, the the cow wall material. Sure.
Window. There's no window. It's just an opening. No closed this way. No window. Right. And when put my arm through that opening
when am I? This is just like a a balcony, but it's a semi closed balcony. So people can see through this. Can Can I Can I sit in that? Can I sit that area? Yeah, you can sit there. Yeah, it's a small
balcony. You know, the rain come down and will drain out out. But the sun can go in from here. Basically, it's a basically it's closed one opening in the middle.
So that's not actually that's not part of the living space. That's kind of outside. It's outside. Behind that space is where you're a part. Yeah. Where you actually live? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hi. So, there are windows on the
spring side, correct? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's a normal window. So, I don't know. I don't the question. Someone's asking about windows. Oh, yeah. In on the Spring Street. This is a normal window. Uh, and these are glass. This is glass, not cloudy
glass. Glass window. No, that's a normal glass window. Thank you. You're welcome. You're going to have two. So at the top level the open patio um that's not covered. So top here is no cover right. So what what could you
explain about the drainage in case of accumulate there how that very commonly you know when people like edge water you know people really appreciate this space. So we use normally we fiberglass to to waterproof the der and
then we have a a drain you know either one or two uh so basically this like a roof garden uh here because of the the concern this time. So we try to have like a wall to separate them opaque
glass so they can enjoy themselves but they can be seen from people. Yeah. So question was how does the snow go away? I mean is that is that melt I mean melting I mean how how yeah you know
they either they can can build some like snow melting um he heating wire right so a lot of people doing this you know in your driveway your front porch you bury some
like a tube inside and then uh the snow will be melt. Yeah. what you're proposing. Yeah, that way we're proposing this right. Yes. So when you say kind of it's like a party tube, you know, just
like floor. Yeah. Same thing, you know. And you will provide that or it's up to the each No, no. We we build we build a heated floor. Yeah. Yeah. Heated floor, you know, and the snow will be melted. Is that in our plans anywhere? have a heated floor on because next time is
this is next stage the techical issue but we tell the board we will we'll do this way okay yeah we'll build the melding system and then if I could ask one more question park on the first level right
the bottom level what's on second level second from the staircase here and the staircase here can call for people ingress egress here thank And that in that second the court it's
is it the same thing with the open for all of those things that we're seeing. So basically they lined up they lined up like this people would be kind of exposed the outside every time they're going into one of those four
sections. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We we don't want people know living here just just like living in tail you know that they do corridor enter their apartments we want them just like more like this facing south so
that's what I idea yeah of course you you have a light yeah sure oh no because this like plan like planning board we next time next stage working drawing working drawing will have all the snow melting, all the
lighting plans, you know, next stage is that yeah, we don't know whether we'll get approved if we spend a lot of money doing engineering and owner spend money will be next stage.
So, so on um of you're going to have these the second level is open corridor, but there is an open window that's open to the outside. So those lights could potentially bleed out all night long onto the people that are anyone who's I
mean it would be yeah just if the opening is really the concern you know I haven't told him no just actually a question that is and then lights going to be on all night because it's a corridor correct you can
see yeah because justed you know because it's translucent okay there only one opening here okay we we'll we'll discuss lighting I probably I have a question in the garage. Are there ballards to keep cars from
mentioned that we will have a lot of ballers here and there so the cars won't you know accidentally going outside? Yeah. What kind of um like security do you have? Are you planning for because you have all India has mentioned we have
this uh door system like or system. So only people with the car or delivery people with the card or with the number can get through the garage door. You can And if they're walking like they went to
for some reason, how do they get back in? And what is the security to by the pedestrian? The the the staircase is, you know, is so people normally go through the staircase, walk to M Avenue. This is if you want to get back in
though, if you were a person who lived in one of these and went to town to go shopping and you wanted to come back in there, they have a key card, you know, a key card. Okay. And will there have intercom system, you know, their their relative or their friends, you know,
just like apartment use intercom to communicate. Will there an administrator, somebody um who they can call if there's a security concern at night? We haven't talked about
that need for that. Just as far as what I had indicated under my testimonies that there would be um there'll be a a gate um along slightly recessed so that when
people are coming back they would go through access to the gate and they would down and get access to the into the building each unit. So in the garage they'd be using um that alleyway which is landscape with lighting lowle lighting um through a gate and that's
where the security system would be. If you're getting buzzed in that's where you get buzzed and then go up the uh but so that was that was in my testimony so I just thought I interject. Can I sticking balconies? So it looks like
um the the multif family the afford housing zone to the west you're familiar with that 53 units right how many do you know yeah can you provide 53
Uh it's really it's actually shown plans as to there are some there is some space that up into the attic. It's really the the architect's plans. About the the newly approved the heart was it hearth?
Yes. 53 units. Right. So my my question is from how many stories is the Hearth building? I believe do we know I believe it's three stories on Milurn Avenue and two stories
on Essence. Okay. the the the reason the reason why I'm is that property or that development is a residential development and I in the ordinance I'm confident
that you that this these balconies do not face a street but at the same time may be visible. from some residential units at the hearth. But it says adjacent. So that's
that building is not adjacent residential use. What it says shall not be vis visible adjacent residential uses or zones. I think it's up to the board to
interpret whether the it's it's an adjacent zone certainly not not directly neck next door but it's adjacent zone and that's asking whether any of those units can
see these balconies either either floor balcony my suspicion would be yes okay so just in fairness to the app that's the case which I believe it is then I do believe in looking at the order both A
and B first of all A certainly applies to um balconies and B also because it's adjacent residential zone portable zone
where it is visible that you would you would need relief to the extent it's visible invisible and you had proofs to demonstrate it was was invisible. That may be story. Well, given that the story that looking out this direction and
you're looking at two and a half that that that has a threetory appearance with a with a fourth story, a half story top. So clearly I think from these upper levels you would be seen from the most
easterly face units at the hearth. Now it gets into that adjacent is it mean contiguous? I mean, when does stop going into the B3 district? It's some, you know, it's just a question of whether they're visible or not. But it also
depends on how you define adjacenty. Is it how many how many how is it within 200 feet? Uh yes. I mean I I live at the top from seven
miles away. Um it's not restrict zone seven miles. Yeah, exactly. I was just at at a party seven miles away. So, look, as far as we'd be happy to take that under consideration and look at that issue clearly, um I just want to
make sure the is comprehensive all around. That's all. question. So, so uh planning board notes about rooftop deck a rooftop garden um concern um what are you number five this what are you referring to the planning
board report that goes with our it's in our packet are you no you're not not the planning board report you're talking about the topology report sorry topology okay okay sorry it was under it was under question jurisdiction if all of a sudden it was no under the link as the
planning report number one. Got it. Go ahead. That is right. I didn't prop suffix. So, um that topology goes into some see if I can find the paper. Sorry, I
like I might have passed it already. Um about the rooftop garden which is couple of things in a different areas and how I think I might have taken a screenshot. Let me just look at that.
Okay. Okay. It talks about something that concerned that page five I think at 14 of rooftop amenity space DRZ 609.1 prohibits township the placement of decks platforms ter you can read along
but question applicantes a roof garden on the fourth floor/addic and a semi-encclosed balcony on the third third floor each of the new dwellings while the balconies are covered by glass roofs moves and I'm not sure that's how
you spell roof but whatever I'm going to let that go. It is not covered by the floor above and it into the roof gardens. The board should consider the extent to which the b meet the roof definition and are subject to this prohibition. Right. That that is what clues to
perhaps this wasn't a complete application. Well, maybe I I don't I don't think it goes to think the application's deemed complete and they're certainly permitted to present before the board. The question is and the reason reason we're
spending the time looking at this is to determine whether relief is needed. Now sometimes what as you may recall I I may say to the board look let's let the applicant face get to the planning and
then we can revisit visit because by having the benefit of some additional information may help you in your interpretation role but but I I think Regina makes a good point.
um the roof garden that have you reviewed topology report the planning report for this application? Yes. Yes. Yes. Say yes. Yes. Okay. So in parted there's a comment about proposing
a roof garden on the fourth floor attic. Show the board what you believe to be that that garden area. Yeah, this this picture shows here the floor. That's the
corridor. That's the semi-closed balcony and the roof garden. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. I don't know you know my thinking is concerned about common commonly shared
rooftop because you know children play and push people around as is a safe issue you know but here like the engineer is a private complete private it's just one family I I understand but I think Just also to answer M tru's
question comprehensively there are two sections here. Okay. So section 69.13 about putting decks platforms or similar features on
the of a building for for use as an amenity space. 606 talks about amenity space, residential amenity space being visible from from
residential zones or uses. So there's two there's distinction there. So I don't know if we necessarily need to get caught up on about my opinion whether and what's roof etc. I think they they probably need we can
just want to point out one thing you know uh code requirement is a 36 inch rail and so we propose a 42 in high or even 48 is fine. So basically people sitting there people can see it only
when walk toward the edge maybe you know so we we we have concern we don't feel the concern eliminate or minimize that And also just both
606 and 609 they're not only talking about the roof they're also talking about the level below it semi enclosed space. So it's really both of those spaces that they're we have alternative alternative is all these balconies we
can put window if people really about this opening. here will be happy. Put put a window so it become enclosed the light come in you know and then you know no kind of opening the light coming out
from from the door. We'll be very happy to do that window. Okay. Well, we'll have Keller in his role as a planner address all this and he's he's being given heads up. So, that was you. Yes. Go ahead.
questions. Well, any uh I I think I think that the architect for the benefit of the board and the public should go over the elevations and the floor plan because I don't
yet of your site plan sheets, your architectural sheets. Can you just walk through for the board what these three bedrooms are going to look like in the floor plans? Sure. And also show the elev elevation
so the board understand what the total height and number of stories are for the buildings and building and how it relates to the height number of stories of surrounding buildings. Okay. Sure. Here's the existing building here in
this post building. This is within the height limit our the provide is a 30 ft 10 inch and the the first floor here floor here is a garage floor. The second floor is a
uh two bedroom in the front, family room in the back and bathroom in the middle. And then is the master suite, the bedrooms front and the sitting room in the back and in the middle. Uh and the
kitchen is on on this floor. And then garage you can see here. That's the second case for convenience. This is the main staircase here. this building here and we provided a handicap ramp with
five feet entry point. And then you come in. There's like the living room, kitchen, and one bedroom here. And here is the garage. And the engineer mentioned already the spot
occupies this portion. And then the second. Yeah. Second floor goes this way. Two bedrooms like for for the unit. All the units are identical. Two bedrooms here, a bathroom here, a washer
and dryer here, staircase, a kitchen here, and the living space. And the connecting corridor is here. One side connecting to the stair tower. The other side is connect. And then the existing building the uh this way, you
know, up. So, the circular staircase connecting both floors and the unit below come comes up and there's a a family room here and two bedrooms here and bathrooms in the
middle. And the connecting cord we just mentioned if the board feels they prefer, you know, we can have a windows in the open instead. And here we try to have for the the existing building try to make it more
but should know you know if the board doesn't like we don't have to do this and here's the rear building we line up all all these openings. So, here's corridor. Here's a garage. Here's the the enclosed
semi-encclosed balcony. Here's the third floor. For example, this one also in the M master is here. Master uh B and the walking class is here. The
and the sitting room and the semic and close box and then come to the existing building. Here's the attic space. only the middle portion is high enough to stand up and that's we want to have some
dormers and uh uh the elevation is here are some details how to do the rating wall to have a sound criteria met you know just staying sheet the existing building
third floor yes does it have a bathroom oh yeah bathroom. There's an existing bathroom there. Existing bathroom. Is there a shower in the bathroom? Um, smaller. Yeah, currently the the owner uses a study
and study and storage room. Yeah, there shower there. Yes, small shower. Yeah, you're not proposing that as living space, correct? No, no, no, no. We I asked her. She said that's for their use as a study store drone.
So what's the total square footage being added of four units in total? Oh, sorry I didn't calculate. But if you don't include only the the other two floors, take a guess is about less than
2,000 ft. Is that four units? That unit four four unit the the attic the attic like you you don't know how to measure because only the second is high the lower
portion goes down pretty much. So each unit is 500 square ft. that look. Oh, no, no. I'm talking about the the existing unit here. The the other building uh I did haveation
before. It's Yeah, it's about 1,000 square ft floor and you know the middle one is bigger because the the driveway below. So for for each unit 2,000 or more and
this one is 500. So roughly about 8 and a half,000 square ft is being added with those units. Oh yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Yes. For both levels combined. Okay. Yes.
Can you tell me you said something in one of these paper that there's a wheelchair lift somewhere. So Oh yeah. Yeah. wheelchair L is for the for the store in the front. The engineer proposed a wheelchair because the
current uh ground high there's few steps like four or five steps. So they propose a lift there a lift to to that the front structure. Yeah. Yeah. The the unit because only four unit is required to have a elevator. Okay. So none of four
new units will be accessible to someone who's in a wheelchair. only for uh the one you know this this one the existing building that one has a hand ra has 5 foot radius you know that's a hand accessible unit the unit that's in the
front and that'll be open or is that for the owner that that unit in the existing building handicap accessible but the other four because only four units not required to have be handicap accessible okay and the
park for a resident Or is that for I guess it's or is that for for in the resident the parking area? Yes. And so the So I'm confused about if you have handicap parking space like this. It's it's like a you know they they require
so many parking space you have handicap because handicap can be for visitor resident or can be for the unit in here. We do have the ramp in that's a code requirement but if you
look into the code code requirement units they say you know if you have only this much units you're not required to have a elevator so there's no elevator to the second floor and for the if it's in the front can they get to the second floor could a person wheelchair get to
the second floor yeah but because they have a bedroom on the first floor when you have all fully like a kitchen bedroom on first floor. The other floors don't have to have an elevator in a basically handicapper can live on that
floor. Okay. But if you if you were there, you wouldn't you wouldn't choose that complex you were in a wheelchair because it's not accessible. None of Yeah. Yeah. code is not required. We we because to put the elevator is very expensive. You need a lot of space, you
know. So we into the code. The code is not required. So we didn't didn't point. Yeah. Yeah. I think how does the the elevation of the buildings, the old building and the new apartments, how does that compare to well, how do they compare to each other first of all? And
then how do they compare to the building next door? Yeah, this one show. Oh, sorry. So, this one shows a little bit existing building in the front. This is the the proposed building like like I mentioned you know we want to match in
color and the texture. Sure. So we use a thin brick to to match the the old building and then we use a cow wall to introduce modern uh element you know like a feeling. Understood. So what's in the height the elevation the height
elevation you can see from from this here that's building here that's the new buildings is slightly a few feet then a few feet higher okay and how does how does the elevation of the new buildings compare to the next
next door I think is a very low building you know I didn't I'm sorry I didn't really get into into it I just look at this front portion the that the rear view building is pretty low, you know. It's a Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thanks.
Oh, the the thim is just they they use a full brick to cut the uh you know. Yeah. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You you need and provide you but we I didn't bring but
basically we will choose a color and texture similar to the existing building. So whatever existing building the color is and texture we find the thin brick to match it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We have a
get next I I didn't have it today. Oh, like like I mentioned I I I put the cow guy. He said in town you have have elementary school used this and he said every town in New Jersey has cow war
building. The name of school. Oh yeah, I I can bring he told me but I I didn't come down I can ask him. Yeah. No no no this very very strong and graffiti resistant
and they he mentioned all the advantages is you know you can can dam damage it. It's very strong material. Yeah, I I will. Yeah, I can I can show show you. Yes. So, um I'm not sure if you had your question fully. You did. I think so.
Okay. All right. Look like almost 40 feet tall, right? I'm looking at the plans correctly. Thank you. Yeah. Almost 40 feet tall. Are the other buildings in the area that tall? The requirement, the height limit is 40. You know, you get
under. So, you're two inches under. Okay. And half and hearth. How tall is the what? The hearth. The apartment building other side of the block. The engineer may know.
I can check. believe the elevation is just under 40 feet. A couple inches. Yeah, I mean I my question really was to the building next to it. It may shadow um that's what I was more focused on than the hearth.
Um but okay, I would just I would also point out um there's been some aggregation of those other properties been purchased by a common owner. So at some point expect that those are going to be redeveloped and likely they'll come in with something that's conform
most like about that 40 foot level. So those small we thought it was more for the 1920s building on the corner and clear um recognizing that the building around itly the rest of the infall on
the block is going to be redeveloped at something closer to 40 ft. Any other questions from the board or I have a question. Did you um looking at the report, but I'm also looking at the the zoning orders. Did
you take a look at um affordable housing requirements for the four zone? Did you take a look at that? If you if you didn't, that's okay. Okay.
I just want to know the answer. Yeah, I didn't I didn't you didn't So, you didn't investigate that. Okay. Any other questions from the board? Yeah. Just a just a quick follow intent and the the intent here and the requirement is that one of these be
affordable, right? Plan is it's the one in the existing building. Yes. Okay. It is design. That's why I asked about the floor plan. Any other questions from the board? Any questions from the public?
Okay, thank you. I do. It's Harold K. Malt M A TZ. Yes. I'm a principal of the firm of Ham Associates Incorporated that's spelled HL located in West Orange, New Jersey.
I'm a licensed inal engineer state of New Jersey by test for the last 51 years. My license is good standing hold of science in civil engineering a master of science and civil engineering from the newer college of also master of
science and environmental engineering from the New Jersey Institute of Technology. I've been a full-time transportation consultant specializing in both traffic and highway engineering for the past 56 years. Uh I've served as
an adject on the faculty of of the New Jersey Institute of Technology for whomotically course on highway engineering to employees New Jersey Transportation. I've appeared than a thousand times in front of boards. in
fact many many times over the years in front of this board as well as the planning board and I've also worked for the town Milbour uh as a consultant most recently uh regarding geometric aspects of the improvements that were
incorporated on along Milburn and Main Street and prior to that also for the planning board their traffic consultant reviewing the resident hotel improvements adjacent to or other projects before that. Most of
my work is currently representing municipal boards. Uh sure, Mr. Maltz, when's the last time you uh did work um for township of planning board or board of adjustment?
Um not for the board of adjustment, but it was for the I don't it's been several years. It was related to that improvement as I said next hill wall. Think back to uh a year or two before they start construction. That would give you an
idea. So that was quo. Yeah. Several years. Thank you. Being retained as a consultant on geometric improvements aspect of main street several years ago when when that was done. Thank you.
Thank you. Okay. Your qualification has been accepted. Can you hear me? Okay. Well, just like to say I was retained to perform a parking occupancy surveys of the municip off public parking both
permit and meter non permit uh parking within reasonable distance of the site and identify the adequacy of the parking areas surveyed to accommodate the site's height variance. Uh the report was dated
that that I sent uh dated December 27th, 2020. I just like to say that uh I'm going to present findings to that report even the date almost two years old. For whatever reason, the project took a long time uh to get before the board. But I
have done a supplement update which I will as part uh that supplement is only two and a half months old. Um as identified by Mr. Keller uh project uh exists of a beauty spa which
is not being changed. There's was one residential apartment that's going to be reconfigured. Four apartments that are going to be added. They're going to be all five will be bedroom apartments. uh the parking or requires a total of 20
spaces required for the uh retail park and by RSIs 10 spaces residential with the uh deletion credit of two spaces for the EVO according to state guidelines 18
spaces are required project 11 spaces being provided uh subsequently seven spaces uh are required by variance. Seven are being identified in one part of the the five residential
units. Uh with two credit EV credits to the spaces that you need that means we need eight for the residential seven are being provided. Therefore, out of the variance, one space is associated with the resident part. Four spaces, those at
the tandem space are being identified for the retail or portion. Consequently, six spaces are needed for variance on that particular part. 6 + one is seven. Once again, there's the variance of
seven. identified and okay the parking exhibit is uh on display uh area that was identified near the site that I considered with reasonable walking distance and I would like to
note something to the board. This uh I did all the parking surveys out here myself. I think I think 19 miles uh between the two days I was out there. Uh this is not my uh first uh rodeo and doing parking surveys of the Milbourne
downtown. I also did more survey but a greater covering a greater area for 281 LLC before which was before the planning board. This is the site at 37 80. It's about 300 feet to the east of this site
side of the street approximately opposite uh the municipal drive. Um I al did the children's aquatic center uh parking survey which encompass area this went back that's on Taylor Street 201617
uh the street has a different name on it was sold flywheel sports uh the uh uh exercise center that goes back to 2011 and I did other work in the in the downtown. So
this is the I've done surveys in the area. But more importantly, I had to be able to make conc with what I did for the project at 378 380 Milburn Avenue, which couple years before this one. Um the park areas
that identified uh within reasonable walking distance include street both sides from Taylor Street to Essex Street Mil Avenue both sides street to theity of the municipal drive by Dunkin Donuts.
That's just want to go board and point out on uh the board looking to the east here's municipal lot number five. This is the Duncan condones on a T. So I went from there broke it into six sections. North
side of the streets side of the street. The first length went from Donuts area to Town Hall plaza. The second section went then street and the last section was broken out from Spring to Douglas.
So even though I identified one one I actually broke it into six segments to uh easily identify the intensity uh municipal lot number six which is located west side of the municipal
building uh fronting over an avenue and I would note that what's important about is a a key location for the site it has business permit and 24hour permit parking only. So res could get a confirm
there you have 24hour access municipal lot number six that's right here it's known my uh exhibit in my report it's exhibit A as area A it's on the west side of town
hall plot the municipal building it looks directly across to the municipal building it's right here as site is there at spring Yes. Business and residential. I check that specifically allowed
for and Mr. Maltz, what's the distance since we're talking about it um from municipal lot number refer to as area property? That's probably about I'd say about 250 ft. Yeah.
Do you do you sorry to interrupt know if any of that that that parking availability those parking spaces change with the new um you know for town hall and the renovations and they're doing expansion I don't know what they're
proposing there I I can't uh town hall plaza drive included both sides This extends it's on west side of the building and extends between Essex and Milbour Avenue. And then lastly was municipal lot
19 which just point that out. That's the big lot borders Essex and Spring Street on the southeast to the east. That's known in my report as area. And
uh lot is permanent parking only from 9 9 to 6 p.m. There's no park 2 to 5:30 a.m. So what's important in this lot is a resident wanted to get a permit uh 24-hour parking. This would be no good
for this would only be for if for example if someone worked in a store and needed a permit for their daytime early evening parking uh that would serve that uh no I think it's used quite a bit
by municipal employees in fact that that's what I typically observe all the time you see police cars in uh uh uh vehicles in there. They store electronic signs in there. When when I
and I'll I'll be very candid. Whenever I saw those in those parking spaces, I counted that as a as a car. So, it's occupied. So, sorry. I don't know if you know that during the summertime, some are closed
for entertainment all summer long. I don't Is it I don't know if that's the a drive. That's one way. I know you said it's got a two-hour limit, but street can be closed. No longer they move. Okay. Well, in
the through Milbour, I often found Main Street and have to make a turn on Essex. So, any event, uh this is this is the whatever happens when you hear the result my survey, it's going to be
immaterial. Um Park area limits identified in exhibit one and uh the as in table one areas separately
counted uh from Monday the to uh permit and metering equal 168. I al also on Saturday the available parking is 171 spaces in total within the area that I
survey. Okay. Uh what's important is municipal lots six and 19 uh which are the uh lots have 109 spaces per in particular lot number six which
is the one once to town plaza drive I previously said allows 24 permit parking that's what's important for that particular lot has 29
spaces And once again, lot 19 has 80 space. That lot is not a 24-hour permit. Okay. Let's just be clear about something. When you say municipal lot six has 29 spaces, correct? Are you talking about 29 total spaces? Total
spaces. Okay. And so you haven't yet talked about your study how many may be available. No, no, but it'll come to that. That's the survey. Okay.
Okay. The uh surveys I performed and I once again I'd like to point out I all the surveys myself. I had no technician go out. Everything I'm identifying I counted and myself and I did all the work on the tabulations and tables.
There was nobody else that was involved in this in any way. I have to say parathetically that is rare than rare. So good for Mr. I always I've always done that whole professional career.
Um the surveys were performed 30 minute inter and identified the occupied spaces within the 11 uh areas that I segmented out and I previously discussed the surveys were done on June 11th 2023
which was a Wednesday from 8:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. and then from 3:00 p.m. to 6 p.m. and on June 3rd 2023 which is the from 9:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. and and 3 pm to 6 p.m. And the tables in my report
identify the uh the var terms of results. I'm going to try and there's a lot of numbers. I'm going to try keep it brief so I don't rolling out rolling under the table. On the uh Wednesday survey once again the total
available metered and permit parking it was 168 uh spaces available. The for entire occupied spaces the peak occurred at 11 a.m. 113 spaces
occupied. 5:30 the lowest occupancy occurred with 49 spaces. That's out of theund that are available. Conversely then converting that into vacant spaces because we wanted how many are available to satisfy
our variance. highest vacancy was 119 spaces vacant at 5:30 p.m. At 8:00 am and 6 pm it was 113 and in the
uh total area the 30 to 12:00 range the lowest vacancy ranging between 58 spaces is is that a.m. 9:30 9:30 a.m. 12 noon that that had covered that range
58 to 68 should be 55 to 68 vacant in total. We're only talking about a variance for seven spaces. So this far exceeds what we're talking about uh in
terms of and what important is for the vacant permit only number six which I've noted is the 24 lot it ranged between 14 to 20
space throughout the entire time period that I surveyed. So once again the a vehicle would want to use this particular lot the vehicle associated with the residential part of the variance. That would be the person who
needs a 24-hour parking permit. So we have 15 to 20 spaces observed being vacant. We only have to satisfy for this particular part of the site one. Okay. This is it's a residential project
residential deficiency in terms of parking survey overnight for municipal lot number six. Yes. And I'm going to come to that on what my supplemental mentor is that went out and I'm going to have a hand up.
Excellent. I anticipated that question. In fact, we would have gotten this. I did the surveys those surveys in late February, early March. We were originally in March. Unfortunately, the site engineer became very ill and this
was two months later. Now, you would have had it two weeks after I did it. Okay. Um I pointed out that I associated with the residential part of the uh
variance 14 to 20 spaces available throughout that of study. We only need to satis one for the residential. That leaves the six for the commercial aspect. In this case the spa that would be
satisfied parking which is your on street parking. and parking. Uh the range was 36 55 vacant spaces in metered parking with my
study area. We only need to sat by six as part of the variance. This is an indication right away on the weekday with more than adequate meter and permanent parking to accommodate the
seven cars uh seven spaces broken down as one forial and six for commercial. Same thing for Saturday and I think I'll be able to get to get a little quicker. There were 171 space available on Saturday. There were three
more. What happens is spring street uh as you go down to the on the west there are three parking spaces that there which are not permitted to be used on weekdays which are available on weekends. If you go out there, this
signed accordingly. That's why we have three for the Saturday. Um once again for the entire occupied the peak occurred at three Saturday with 59 occupied. The lowest
occupancy was 35 at six o'clock and the range was fairly steady between 35 and 59 throughout the all all the that were so uh there was not a vacancy.
Conversely, going to the vacant for the site, the peak occurred at 6 p.m. with 136 spaces vacant. Uh there were 123 vac at at 8:00 pm uh 8 am excuse me and in the 9:00 to 5:30
range which encompass period vacancy range between 112 to 127 spaces that's total metered parking as well as permit parking in terms of uh
Okay, discuss that. In terms of the perman lot number six, there were 10 spaces vacant at in the 19 vacant at uh 6 p.m. Uh for the
vacant meter spaces, uh the to 56 40 at 3:00 and 56 at 8:00. Uh consequently, once again looking at a need for seven spaces for the commercial
aspect with 56 vacant in those time frames than adequate vacancy. Okay. So in conclusion note that the uh once again highlighting the
one space for residential, six spaces for commercial out of the seven space varants. The 24hour per lot number six had a range 10 to 19 vacant than adequate to satisfy the one we need. and
the commercial variance uh uses spaces and the vacant was 40 to 50. I would also note and the ling in my report uhly I did the parking survey for the
project at 378 to 380 Milbour 300 ft down the street to the east of us. Um and I did a similar park survey uh for this in fact the survey for this application encompass a lot of the
survey I did for that other project that project was afford the mill planning board and was approved how because of being located 300 ft east that project when I did the survey 300 ft further
east extended the distance to municipal include municipal lot number five which next to the Dunkin Donuts municipal lot number four which is the Taylor Street municipal which has both 24hour permit
as well as well parking. So that uh project included area that project needed a parking variance for 2. If I add those 22 spaces that pling board in that
variance for here for a total 29, we uh more than adequate parking vacancy in our just our include what was needed for the variance the project and that doesn't
even reflect that the other project would extend to municipal lots four and five. So that includes uh my findings from the December 2003 report. What I am
going to hand out to is a because of all the time that went by changes that reflected due to the hearth project which was not being built when I did the original but was built when I went out
into February March. Um I'm going to hand out a tables of the findings of the So, we're going to mark this as A7. would have been presented at the meeting. These were served did on February
282 which was a Friday and February uh excuse me 1st 2025 which was the next day Saturday. I did not that because I already had a detailed survey covering many hours. I knew what critical points
were, didn't have to go out there and put X miles on my feet around every 30 minutes. I could just focus in on the critical times. And what you can see on February 28th, it was 9:00 a.m. 11 a.m.,
which was typically on a weekday when I found my around the found my peaks. Uh, I did go out at 10:30 p.m. to see what was happening when people, if we had resial people using it, what was happening at that time. Typically, you
wouldn't commercial permit parking there. You'd see resident parking. So, on both of those days, I went out at those times. uh what had changed due to the heart development from the surveys that I
report from 2023 and what happened here was um the heart development which had 53 units and 4,000 square foot of 97 spaces proposed in it and it's at
a parking ratio of 1.7 spaces per unit which conforms with what the uh uh ordinance required for that particular site. It was listed in their studies form. The what had
changed was terms of available parking and my study areas which which reflected the summaries which will be a little bit had before what I noted as area H on Spring Street the angle
parking here's a site on Spring Street here the area the angle parking across the street lot 19 uh that went from 11 to five uh an
metered spaces. What happened then in uh lot number 19 were prior to that there were 80. This was changed as part of this hearth division went
from permit to 75 and they changed spaces uh near the previous But inside the lot to me spaces. So it stayed as 80 but instead of being permit permit it went
75 meter. Uh the other aspect was uh along the in this going to towards Douglas on the north side street uh because of the elimination uh it went from six spaces to nine in
survey area. So they lost it went from 11 to 10 here and you gain three there. So there's a difference I think of possibly two what I here
um if we take a look at table 2A u what's important is column where column J is municipal number uh six that's the
29 24hour spaces if look at vacancy uh excuse me the occupied say occupied you can see 9 it's 13 11:30 a.m. it's 14 p.m. is 13 and at 10:30 uh
occupied is 19. If you go table 3A just below it at the third column vacant permanent space this is vac now in lot number 29 is available you can
see 9 to 6 p.m. period it's 15 to 16 and the vacant 10:30 p.m. in the evening when you compare these uh my original survey did have a 10:30 p.m. did not go out in the late evening but
those other time periods if I read them all for you but the numbers are fairly similar within just sometimes are identical sometimes a difference of only a couple of cars so very very similar to what I got two
years ago second which was Saturday with hope I would just like I forgot what in terms of the uh total
vacancy for the project in study area. If you go to table 3A first column spaces in total survey area you can range 93 55 97 in the evening it's 96
and again you can see the on street the second column on the survey area 56 available it the lowest noted was 31 at 6 p.m. and it's the highest at 9:00 a.m. and 4 Once again, that would
be a concern for the six spaces for the commercial part of the project. We have far more than enough spaces available to accomodate the commercial part. Now go to Saturday, which is the next page. You can see the occi on the top
part J. That's 29 spaces. You occupied 9 a.m. 11:30 it's 12 6 p.m. at 10 at 10:30 occupied. You would have thought that's the residential. That's what was
there. Go to table 58 below it. In terms of vacant parking spaces, go to the third column. This is lot number 66 the 4 hour and you can see all the numbers 15 17 19 23 U in comparison.
Give me one second. Look back at the study going back to 2023. If I look at Saturday for example, the permit which is important the uh 9:00
years ago. Uh it was 10 spaces vacant. 14 now at 11:30. Now, uh 12 6 p.m.
uh uh two years ago. Now there was uh 10. So the numbers are still indicating that more than adequate uh capacity based on these services. that lot never full. And meanwhile, the
area wide parking on the uh on street uh metered parking was more than adequate parking available every single time to accommodate small parking that we need and the data two years ago recently and I would note I back to
the I did 300 ft away a couple numbers were not that dissimilar. So that's what I point out. I I I was very very thorough on this. Thank you for this thorough report once more. Now officially for the
18 spots required by the variance right there's 20 are required. We got a two correct spot credit because of the EV two EVs. So only 18 is required. We need to make up a deficit. How did you get to only needing one for resol from 18?
Okay, first of all, there's 11 spaces. We need 18 after the two EV credit. Seven in the right. There's seven in the garage, right? And that's associated with the residential and the two credit is associated with the residential. It's part of that part
of building. So you actually started that you tend by Wait a minute. So this is where the disconnect is. So there's seven in the building that are proposed seven spaces seven spaces related to the residential four more spaces that are
related to the oh the seven tandem but EV spaces are within the residential part commercial doesn't get a credit for it comes the calculation for the residential so the
residential starting at the RSIS calculation was 10 take off two for the EV that means you need eight seven areed is a difference of one that's how you get there okay just just
explain the fact that the EV you decided to utilize your EV for residential when you could have utilized the correct um I would prefer the side
technically technically but I think logically the EV is within the residential part of the parking structure and therefore it's logical to apply it to the residential consequently there were 10 spaces by ordinant municipal ordinance needed for the
commercial we're providing four that's a six no credit for EV on that six one side one for the residential there seven credit and Then when I did the park some extent indicate calling out
lot number six which is the 24hour lot that's the only nearby permit parking that's 24hour that could accommodate a residential use which would be overnight whereas a commercial use would be during
or early evening like for an employee. Consequently, be more suited for lot number 19 which doesn't allow parking 23. Question Keller has stated we can count on the other little building block to be in the future and we can probably
close 40t tall. I think you just said that. Does your survey take consideration that there may be other residential needs coming in the near future block as stated previously by Mr. Keller that anticipate? No, it doesn't. And you can't account for what's going
and never been for for a board. We're here now. We can't project what what should we have four or five years down the road. Well, we have have excess capacity now.
There's a lot of vacancy on Mr. B. Why could you explain that? Why should we take into account what's to happen here? The application is before you right now and I presented a survey of what's happening today and to accommodate our
particular in terms of a master planning and master work on transportation master plans yes you do project four five or 10 years there's a master plan you know you're trying to figure and take a look at what you'd like to get uh
applications in gradually during a time period and accommodate uh those particular can't have somebody come in and say oh 20 year report we parking garage I want you
to build part of a parking garage right right on the very it they I think they're assigned one space to each on site. However, I think
in terms trying to remember now in terms of the 20 variance for parking that the planning board had to grant, I think took into account that there were more might have been required and that's part of 22 and Ied that in what I discussed
in my report. as an office. Correct. at some point. Yes. But uh I would think in terms of master planning municip accommodate that
I don't they're asking for a small variance on parking. Did a study identify that there's more than adequate vacancy both permit and uh meter within the area the same as I did for the other
project away. Um uh The purpose of the variance is to prove that we can accommodate it. Trying to get trying to get a handle on your on your question. I'm not trying to be evasive. Well, they're going to have to look to
provide there is additional capacity even with our project as you see from my are using up the last space. There is quite a bit of additional uh
parks as well as uh uh meter um just like the hearth they provided they conformed they provided one and three/4er spaces per unit uh as well the number of spaces they were required for
sale um that's all in there uh whatever projects come in they're going to have designed to accommodate what they need and if they shortfall they're going to have to do something like I if the job, right? They're going
to have to do something like did to identify uh is enough capacity vacancy to accommodate their short and if not how are they uh get
around. I think I think that's the best answer. I mean I do a lot of in Madison. I'm their consultant Mars Plains. They have projects, residential projects that come in that don't meet RSS, but in Madison in particular, they
New Jersey transit train station and a lot of the projects are near the downtown within walking distance train station. Consequently, they've had a number of projects that have lease restrictions of one space per
unit regardless of how many bedroom are. And that's so if somebody wants to live there, they know coming in to sign a lease that this is what I'm going to be stricted to. Now they can get a permit purchase a permit and they do have a lot
of municipal lot in downtown Madison u very distances from the nation but that's something that's very very development. They've been quite active on development in their downtown and I do the reviews. I gonna
testify this firsthand. Well, I mean lot of homes in this region seem somewhat more affluent than say inner city or the west side of New York. So you would think that they would but probably husband and wife but cars even though they might take the train to ban or
something, right? Yes. But uh we're not talking about townhouse condo here. The drive down the street three apartments rentals. What we're talking about in this project
are four new rentals. Um and it is true yes the three uh bedrooms you can have that second car but then again uh you also have near nearby mass transit uh
which which even transit has publication which identifies that you can get up to 30% less parking demand you know requirement because ofility of nearby mass transit.
So does reduce reduce the need. Contemplate or would your client consider taking the internal tandem spaces and reconfiguring them to make them all residential and then the
business you know anything to the business could be uh purchased permit parking the you know surrounding lots. I I understand what you're saying saying I didn't have any discussion at all with my client but four tandem spaces
identified for the for the only need one to conform theial. So you're giving away three right there and you're pushing that uh out on the street for the uh parking. I think it's appropriate to leave it the way it is.
This is a new building. This hasn't been developed yet. No. Right. Correct. Did your survey take into consideration that one of the designated spots is a handicap parking? So residents were not handicapped really really parked there. So that is going
to most days the the interior to I'm sorry to six. There's but one of them is is retained for those who have a handicap. I'm sorry I hate that word but for people who have designated parking because of ability. So really you've got
six spaces in there. Well technically we're allowed to we're allowed it can't you don't subtract it but I understand practicality right of what you're saying even if we took that away and said we only had six and you want to ignore that
available which we're entitled to have. You're saying instead of one, we need two 24-hour permit spaces. And my study is clearly shown we have far more spaces
available than two in lot number six. We could we couldate accommodate just something to consider. And and will the will the owners pay for residents to get their Yeah. the park there? I mean if there's I mean some people will have
will like race for park spaces. Okay. I I don't know they'll leave that hope. Um, any other questions the board? Any questions from the
public? Um, I that Rich will be coming up to test testify as the planner. Um I think given the um that it's almost 10 o'clock at night. Um um and wouldn't ordinarily any new
testimony after 10, I don't know makes sense to start new test now. Um I'm thinking that we we should this will tell us what next available date would be.
While Elen's looking for that, just as a follow to the question from Mr. It was in that we would have two of the parking parking the units as part of their lease would one uh three unit
three would get one car and the two units would get up up to two cars. So so obviously if somebody needed handicap they would get that handicap assigned. If there's no one using handicap that will go vacant. And it does count as
part of our demand but by you would get a certain number of space at least one and some units up to two units would get two space assigned as lease. It's anticipated that somebody needs a second car they can they
would build that fee into the structure for all for their rents if they need that extra would they would then pay for that spot. Um but also anticipated that if they really needed the two car car probably go hearth where there's more
parking available. So you're providing for a range of units amenities and sizes um within the community and there are other places with to the de future developments. Uh one do it was pointed out we are a building attached to an old
building so we don't really have access to two sides. It's anticipated that the way those other block, they'll probably have access to two streets in which case a little easier for them to provide their required because they could do sort of a through parking access off of one on the
other or because of the geometry it's anticipated that they would probably closer to their parking demand. Part of our limit is that we're trying to keep that historic building. So we're not really starting from a f creating a whole new building because we're trying to keep that 1920 building intact. So I
think I can do my plan testimony. I can talk a little bit about anticipating some development, but it is anticipated. It was carefully thought out by the owners that they would assign a certain number of spa parking to each unit by lease and if they want to do something after that,
it's on them. We would not be opposed necessarily to convert strongly. I don't think we need to, but certainly um within the downtown, it's pretty common to have um both parking required the workers and they're already
required to buy even though they don't them uh as well and that would allow you to convert all of all of this to be but that we can certainly discuss if the board wants to go there. That was a question that was raised. Rich, can I just follow up on
that? It was just from question. Um, if that that was the case, would you be locked into using the tandem spaces or you be able to have more flexibility to provide, let's say,
parking all for the resident and not have to rely on tandem space? You don't have to answer it now. Just I I about that. I I think that regardless if we made it all residential, I could do residential
tandemss, might be able to turn that 90° and the garage door, but I think I would still keep um four spaces tandem in that case. Um so you you'd have it'd be complicated, but I think that um there is a possibility and we can certainly
look at that. Forunately, we only have this meeting in May. This is the only meeting we have in May. Um, the two meetings that are scheduled I only because I don't foresee this taking only 15 more minutes. Um, yeah, I
would probably not be not be of them until July 13th, which is our first meeting in July. Okay. Yeah. The two that one potent potential definitely one the What did you ask?
Oh, you're you're available. Okay. I'll check I'll check tomorrow. So that that works for you. Yeah. So yeah, so this matter is going to be be carried without notice to the meeting
on July 14th. Um and we will be in the same location, the Melbourne Board of Education, Education Center, 43 Milbour Avenue, 7. Thank you. Okay. Um, are there any matters from the
public not related to um, anything that was presented to the board tonight? I don't see any. Hear any. Would someone like to make a motion to close this meeting? So moved. And do I
have a second? Second. All in favor? I. Thank you.