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Hey, bro. Wow. Wow. There you go. >> All right. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the April 15, 2026 meeting of the Milurn Township Charter Study Commission, which is called to order. In accordance with uh open public meetings

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act, be advised that the notice of this meeting was made by posting on the township website that this meeting would take place at the Ball Center at 12:00 >> um on Wednesday, April 15, 2026. Meeting details and draft agenda has been

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posted. Lori, since you're not here, you still want to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. >> What the heck? Sure, why not? >> Everyone, please stand. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America of America and to the >> to the republic for which it stands. One

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nation under God, >> indivisible, liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you, C. Okay. Um, I will now uh call a roll call to note those present. Mr. Biller,

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>> present. >> Dr. Con is present. Miss Parker, >> present. >> Mr. Tenner, >> present. Mr. Der here. >> I note we also have council sudanasco being mentioning columns and attendance. >> Uh the record show that we have a quorum

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for this meeting. >> May I have a motion to approve the agenda? >> So moved. >> Good. Second. >> Second. >> Joanna. Thank you. All All those in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay. Uh, may I have a motion to approve

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the minutes on March 22, March 26, and March 31, 2026 meetings? >> So moved. >> Good. Second. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> May I have a motion to uh authorize

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payment of the of invoices for Suzanne only? >> Am I to second that? only can legal services of Kin Mache and Collins LLP March 31. Can I have a motion please?

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>> All right. Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> uh are there any commissions with reports since our last meeting? Commissioners? >> No. Thank you. Are there any other reports? No. All right. Uh first public

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comment. To speak during the public comment period, please follow these instructions. Ensure your Zoom display name shows your first and last name. Click the raised hand button when a public comment is announced. You will be called upon in order and promoted to the

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panelist. Um, turn on your video and call to speak. Clearly state your full name and whether you are a Milbourne resident or business owner to facilitate an orderly meeting and permit all all to be heard. Please limit your comments to three minutes. A reminder that the

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public comment period is an opportunity for residents to share their views with the commission. Commissioners will not respond to questions or engage in dialogue during the speaking time, but will carefully consider all comments.

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>> Great. Uh, now we can see. >> Uh, so I'm Trina Franco, Shore Hills resident. I guess my only concern is I believe that uh the more information voters have the better democracy is

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empowered and the more time they have to consider things the more they are empowered. So my concern is that the election for this is so fast. I would

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leave as much time as possible to get the information out there. I think it's a difficult subject. It's it's complicated. I would love to see community roundts where we discuss it together back and forth, argue with each

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other, debate each other, and then and then vote and then whatever we vote, we all agree on. I think that's how democracy works. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um any anybody else have a comment? >> Um my name is Jeffrey Phil. I'm also a short house resident. Um, I want to

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thank you for allowing us to observe this historical moment which has been a very open, transparent process. And I really want to compliment the study commission because since you were formed and since every meeting we've had since

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since December the public has had an opportunity to comment to understand the process and I think at this point to give comments that they people did not understand the process reading both various public forums and I think one thing you might want to further explain is after you

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take your official action on the final report and be questioned. That's the end of the referendum. Just explain where the papers have to be filed and then the the election educational process. I think we're giving the public 60 days to

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be educated. Uh if you look at the demographics of this community, you're probably one of the highly most highly educated communities in the state. And I think with the information that you have already posted and with this report being posted probably within 20 24

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minutes of adoption, the public will be able to start educating what the issues are. And again, I want to compliment you for how open and transparent this process has been and and being able to observe a historical moment in the history of this township that we're doing.

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>> Thank you. Should we go online first? >> Oh, I'm I'm sorry. >> You >> my name is Me Bala. I would like to

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thank the commission that has been formed for nonpartisan election because I think so with the overall picture related to the politics. It's become very partisan and very tribal and Melbourne has taken the first steps driving through this quorum of

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creating nonpartisan elections. We did have an ability to vote in Norbert to select this quorum of people six of them. So people did have five of them. Thank you. uh we did have a chance to cast our ballots to have this commission

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form and of course we do need to understand that the more that things stagnate there is not going to be any decisions made. I like the way in which the committee has come together and made these recommendations related to having

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nonpartisan and I'm very much in favor of it. One thing is that it would bring down the temperature of partisan politics but most importantly it uh enhances the community and volunteerism from current residents who feel that uh

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they're not in for this partisan politics but if it is nonpartisan they're going to have much higher participation. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Mr. Rudo, >> you have something to say? >> Yes, I do. uh you know I wanted to commend the commissioners uh for their

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extensive work. You know you've held meetings nearly every week uh for uh the entire year of 2026. Uh I think any notion that there was not information sessions or available information out there is uh just doesn't make any sense

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uh because uh you have had opportunities on different days of the week. Zoom options. Uh I've tuned in from, you know, my various travels and and also in person. Uh and I just want to say I think this is a monumental day for the township. uh you know uh I was just uh

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having lunch at Oscars and I walked over here and you know conversations about uh work we're doing on the street there and conversations regarding uh you know traffic uh traffic lights and street lights that are out and questions about

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uh flood mitigation all came up with different residents of all different stripes. Uh and it was really uh wonderful um that that the partisan politics didn't come up in any way uh except maybe the TV set that was in the

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in Oscars uh you know but which you know was News12 New Jersey and there was a train derailment. learning about all this uh very quickly. But um I would just say that, you know, that that that shows me and proves to me that my conversations as an elected official

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have been purely about local politics and the path to get me to my seat um should not should not involve a party. And so I um I fully support it and I'm really excited uh to see this in action.

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>> Frank, can you do me a favor? Can you get that woman a uh a chair? >> You want to take my >> Let me Let me give a guy an extra. >> We have plenty chairs. After all, we're Mil Township. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let's have somebody

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>> Alex has been races for a very long time. So, >> now please. Yes. >> Okay. >> You're us between maybe All right. >> Can you guys hear me?

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>> Hey. Hey, Gord. You guys all right? All right. Uh, I just want to thank the commissioners for taking the time to thoroughly evaluate this critically important decision. As a former elected official on the board of education, I'm grateful for the historic opportunity to finally rid our town of partisan

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elections. There are four important points I want to make. One, partisan elections should have no place in town government. While elected town officials can certainly align with political parties, this should have no basis for choosing them solely based on political

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party affiliation. People in Milbour simply must vote based on a person's merits and qualifications. You shouldn't have to get permission from pol from political party officials to run for office. The system works every single year across 529 school districts in New

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Jersey. Nonpartisan elections work is simply beyond dispute. The second thing is so many times I've experienced people who simply don't take the time to get to know the candidates and just vote for party in local elections. This creates a de facto single party majority government in

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areas where there are clearly political party majorities allowing national political parties to maintain power at scale. It's time to retire this antiquated system. What we need are the most qualified candidates to run for local elections without state or

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national political baggage. That again has nothing to do with Milbourne. Let's again talk let's talk about ballots. The ballots for general elections are still printed with political party line in S County. However, nonpartisan ballots break this blatantly unfair practice and I expect our ballots to look like

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Ridgewood in South Orange where people are voting for the person, not for the party. Again, helping to get rid of partisan voting and single party control. And yes, this will incentivize people to learn more about candidates rather than blindly voting by party line sends a message. People are more

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important than party. And finally, the updated count of seven elected officials is the right decision. This will lead to more oversight and more importantly allow committees with three people to be formed. Today, only two township committee members can can meet to discuss town business. It's time to make this change for Milbour and increase

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governance and oversight. Thanks again to the commissioners for volunteering to take on this historically important and urgent issue for our town. >> Thank you. Um Oh, hi.

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>> Hi, Cheryl Maris. I really just have a question. I'm trying to um dig deeper into your recommendations and understand how you got to those. And so I want to know um this report that's being released is your recommendations

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which I I know what those are at a high level. I know you conducted surveys and interviews and I know the interviews were confidential. So I'm not looking. >> Okay. Well >> recorded so if you watch videos you'll see >> when so when you interviewed a former

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mayor those interviews if you watched all the videos you'll see everything's on there. every interview >> except there were a few people who didn't want to be for who were former former TC like two former T well one current one former just didn't want to be recorded >> right well what I'm wondering is I have

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access actually to you not to that not to the individual interviews but your analysis your um compilation of these things that says okay 20 people wanted this 15 people didn't want that therefore we're going to recommend this

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>> legal counsel answer that So the >> the commission elected not to do a quantitative analysis. Um their ultimate recommendations came from a qualitative analysis and studying all of the issues. It didn't come down to a simple um calculation of four people were in favor

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of this, two people were in favor of that. So we're going with the majority. Um their their insight was much more nuanced than a simple a simple majority vote as to what people said. >> Um >> however the majority vote would support it. >> Yes. Let me let me let me go maybe

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clarify. Hi, I'm Corey Biller. I'm one of the the the charter study uh commissioners. >> Um our analysis amongst our commissioners was all public. It was all during public meetings. We did not have any private deliberation. So if you're

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looking into what our individual considerations were of the various interviews and data we collected, that's all on the videos. >> Okay. So there's of conversations. >> Okay. So there's there's the granular data of like all

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the interviews and then there's your recommendations and in between you discussed it but there's no in between. Yes. No, I didn't say you didn't. I'm saying so in between you had discussions of oh this is what we're hearing but there isn't a

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>> that quant any quantitative middle analysis level of like summary. not on a quantitative basis, but the report does include um it kind of sums up the commissioner's um deliberations that you could get firsthand by watching the video that's on the website.

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>> Um but then the the analysis I showed a number of them. I'm sorry. >> The analysis is also in the report in terms of kind of summing up all of those um all those deliberations. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you. I just want to get a better understanding of what is in here. >> I wanted to address the point about the

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quantitative aspect. The the reason at least personally why we chose not for and speaking for myself why I think a quantitative analysis is not necessarily the right way to go about something like this is because someone might say I believe X and they have no justification whatsoever.

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Just because we decided to interview that person doesn't mean we should just add one to the X column. Um, you know, I think we were elected to use our judgment on the reasons for why X, why not X. And I think our purposes in

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interviewing was to understand the universe of reasons for why someone would support one thing versus another thing. Take the universe of reasons for both sides and make a deliberation and an analysis on that. So that was sort of my philosophy when I approached this. Um I think when you do a quantitative

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analysis of you know 10 people said this, five people said that now you're really subjected to well which 10 people did you choose to talk to and you know there's some cherrypicking that could be involved in that. So I think the way we went about it was you know more resistant to something like that. We

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also tried to create um several decades of of people who have served and business administrators that have been in the in their business for decades upon decades, including a retired VA from our town and other um folks in that

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administrative role from other towns so that we could learn from them. And they also have histories um they have histories with their previous employee employers that they brought to the table. So we try to really listen to the people that know what we potentially don't know because

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we're not in positions of people who deal with the either council manager positions or TC or other forms of government. So we've tried to learn from them because none of us are experts in the field of how you govern and and we wanted to protect the future to kind of future proof and allow some optionality

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for folks in on a four to four year basis if this gets chosen to have chances to change it if it's not working. Thank you, Joanna. Mr. Cosgrove. Yeah, >> Mr. Cosgrove. >> Yes. Can you folks hear me?

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>> Yes, Dave. >> Yes. Thank you, folks. Uh just just a question and and this is with my my personal hat on, not not as a a township committee member, but is it is it your conclusion, you know, as a committee that if this

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passes, if the um you know, if the um if it passes that partisanship is going to cease in the township and that support from polit national political national and local political parties is going to magically

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disappear. here as a result of this. So those two thoughts, questions. Thank you. >> No, no, no, not at all. If if a DNR wants to put up a candidate, they they we welcome it. >> Well, let let me clarify. I think that

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this doesn't necessarily preclude um local parties from getting involved in elections, but it does open the possibility that they will stay away from elections. And currently there is no possibility that the parties uh the

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parties are a necessary part of it. They're just part of the the the sort of construct. But this takes the necessity of partisanship out of elections. If the local parties want to get involved, there's nothing we can do about it. But

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at least this gives the local electorate the possibility that local parties are not going to be involved. and it also changes the type of involvement that they can be in local elections. So, it's it's it's a real substantive change um despite the fact that there are some

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limitations that that we can't control. >> Well, uh I just want to add to that partisanship and partisan behavior is is a personality trait, right? So, this is it's not going to go away. That's not this what this report is saying. But the

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the institutional partisan elections that we have, that's what we're trying to say is not working for our town right now. And as you read the report, you'll see one of the issues with that is it's kind of deterring a lot of potentially

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qualified candidates from standing for elections because they don't want to be branded as an R or a D. Um, so people can stay involved. people can not use an R or a D against their name when they're campaigning. They're going to campaign

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on their own uh qualifications uh for the township council position. So that's nobody's saying or claiming that partisanship will go away just because of this. But but it's a step in the right direction is what the commission concluded. >> That is correct.

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>> Further comment on Shanuk if that's okay. I I think also to bring up Shinook to your point um what what I think allowed me to think in a slightly different way um in a town that I'm largely um aligned with is you know the charter study that Ben was mentioning he

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was uh one of our guests he who we interviewed but he also came to a Sunday meeting that we had and he he spoke quite a bit and I think he spoke really uh intelligently and poignantly and gave perspectives where I I have an alignment

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myself. I'm pretty proud of my alignment. I have been most of my life, not everybody, but my party and I feel strongly about it. Um, so he he gave a different perspective that he felt it was his civic duty to give another voice

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to people who weren't aligned to a party and not to pretend like someone's going to, you know, hide behind their non-label or their label. He's like, people are free to do what they want. people can research and they can certainly say who they are and neighbors will will talk about it. There's no one saying it's going to magically disappear. It just levels the playing

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field to some degree to folks who may not have come out. And I think if we don't give that a chance, then we haven't served all the constituents in the town. And if we don't give it a chance, we haven't out. Like to me this seemed like such a no-brainer once I saw it from his perspective what he he

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specifically said in public and in and you know I heard him talking to other you know people after the after the event that he just felt like it was his right and civic duty to do it and then he went and got elected as well and he's he felt really good and stands by his decision this many years later.

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and and the Ben that Joanna is referring to is a counseling person from uh Redbeck. So So he came all the way up here to speak to us, you know. So I I thought that was pretty impressive. >> The part I found inspiring about Ben's

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story is um now that they run in nonpartisan elections, he campaigns to the whole town. He'll knock on every single door regardless of whether or not they share his party. And I think he even gave an example of someone who he defin most definitely did not share national political views with likely

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voted for him in the local election. And I think you know additional outreach to residents and education is always a good thing in my mind. and also the mayor of Verona, >> you know, he was he was pretty incredible and everything and and the

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tone of the elections have gone way down >> as some people in this room kind wanted to just highlight that Red Bank since we're talking about them, they chose the parties chose to not uh endorse local candidates, right?

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Obviously, that's not the charter commission's perview. Um that's not what we're saying or we're recommending or that's not up to us. But uh there was support for even the parties saying okay we're not we're going to kind of stay away from local

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elections and not endorse ours candidates. Parties can choose to do what they want here. We're not going to comment on that. But it it has worked well in Redbank so far. >> And we did make recommendations to your point. the recommendations that we did make is to um is to help create a

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cohesive environment. Um and I think what I loved about um one of our meetings where you know you you mentioned Miss Shear mentioned uh >> No, I'm not this year. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. Dr.

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Frank Oh my god. Dr. Frankle. Sorry. I know Dr. Frankle. I'm having a I'm having a memory. Dr. Frank. >> Thank you, Dr. Frankle. I won't talk about Miss Shear's meeting because I had different comments from her too, but Dr. Frankle actually suggested a really fantastic um thing that I think we are

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we put in the recommendations is to have these roundts and have community meetups on >> just to interject here. I have that in my recommendations. So, we'll be reading. Don't don't steal my thunder. >> But I just I feel like that's what we

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want to make sure we listen to. And I think that's if we can go forward with things like that. I'll meet your your later. >> Uh, next guest, please, Dr. Khan. Oh, Chris, go ahead. No, >> someone else. >> Chris Hinrich, Melbourne resident. Um,

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certainly very supportive of all the recommendations. Thank you for your service. I too share Dr. Frankle's concerns of June 16th. Seems very tough to educate the public on a complicated issue like this. I've been paying attention kind of the whole time, so

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it's easy for me. But as I thought about the alternatives, which would be a November election, I'm glad the commission put a June date out there. Number one, it sounds like more time, but it's going to be a national election and the local groups would be running a

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partisan elections. So having participated in that circus last time, it is very hard to break through during a national election and a local election. So I fear that this issue would get less attention in a November

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election. Secondly, I actually think it's less costly to do it this way. We have to run a special election which costs money. Assuming this passes in November, you'd have to run another election to elect the new council members, right? Correct.

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>> The big B, >> which so to me, it's probably actually more costly that way. But >> when there are people running twice, >> call it net net. And then assuming it passes, you would have had a bitter partisan election. Then the government would sit for seven months. The the new

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elections may not be till April, May time frame. So, I feel like we lose a whole lot of time. So, although it sounds like, oh, June 16th, it's tough, I'm glad that you guys thought about it and are pushing that recommendation because it does actually make a lot of

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sense to me to do it because this is the only thing on the ballot. We can have a hopefully a good discussion around it and not get distracted by other national issues. >> That was my >> That was our point. That was my biggest concern. Yeah, that was >> losing focus on because right now we

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have thankfully people it you gain momentum as you as you continue on a project and when you make your recommendation is when you get the most attention >> and whether people hate it or like it that's when you get the most attention. Pitchforks come out or supporters come out but regardless of what it is this is

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the time we have the attention of people. No one's graduating today. Yes, there's a special election tomorrow. I hope people vote get out and vote but that's a you know so we have a couple of elections coming up but again we are separate we are our own little small

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local thing and it is our job to go out there and conduct round tables and engage the public and whether we agree with each other or not be civil about it but let's talk about it and make ourselves available as commissioners I think we all pretty much make ourselves available as much as we depend I mean I

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can't run anymore public facing charity things I'm available if you want to talk to me join all of them. And if you volunteer me in >> I think everyone in this room hopefully will show up and volunteer. >> Chair, can I make Sorry, were you done?

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I didn't mean to. >> Sorry. Um, I I don't know if I'm doing this math right, but the other point to think about is from a future turnout perspective in local elections, if we don't align, if this does get passed, we

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align with November 2026 being our first election in the new system. If we don't do that, and we're doing it next year in November 2027 or May of 27 or November 27, we will never have a local election that aligns with the national presidential cycle,

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right? Because if it's every two years and the first one is 2027, then then from a turnout perspective, we know a presidential election probably has more turnout than not. We if we don't do it this year, then we'll never have a local election that really

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coincides. So this way from a future turnout perspective, doing it now is better too was my view. Unless I got that wrong in my math. >> Y that's a great point. >> Right. We're trying to look at what we don't know, the things we don't know going forward. That was an important point.

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>> All right, we have a bunch of folks on Zoom. >> Question. >> Hello. I assume you can hear me. >> Leia Cruz, how are you, Ted? >> I'm good, thank you. >> Just bear with me one second. I did

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write a couple notes down. I'm gonna be very quick, though. I just want to thank you all for your hard work and being open to this this whole process. And I feel like this commission is evidence that we should have nonpartisan elections in town. You guys are a

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diverse group politically. We have a female, if not an all-white uh commission. Um and your decisions were unanimous. That's really impressive. you guys were open to the process and hopefully our new town council will

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emulate emulate your openness and your spirit of working together with the common goal of whatever is best for Milbour. So, I just want to say I applaud your hard work and um I think this is great for the town. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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Have a bunch of folks. JP. >> Yes. Hi there. It's Jean, Pastor Knack. Hi. I've just joined >> I was wondering what JP was standing for. >> That's me. I just >> I'm sorry. Go ahead, Jean. >> No, it's okay. Joining everyone's uh

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efforts to commend your efforts that were just outstanding. Such devotion. Um I'd just like to follow on from Dr. Frankle's suggestion. Uh, as the Milbourne Republican Committee Chair, I would like to invite my counterpart who's there today, Cheryl Desmare, who's

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the Democratic Committee Chair and the entire U Milbourne Short Hills Democratic Committee to co-host a bipartisan community town hall to discuss the issues related to the report recommendations if they're open to doing it. I say, let's lead by example. Let's

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bring our community together as elected district leaders to debate and discuss in a professional manner. We can add to uh our first I think in a long time bipartisan effort that we made to do the well-received webinar ICE and Milbour uh

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which we put together in less than a month. We have 62 days and I am sure we can find a way to collaborate and do this. Um, I want to add that on behalf of the Republican committee, we commend your efforts. We believe the election and your deliberations have aligned with

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the community's desires. Twothirds of us voted last November for the commission to form and you are giving our voters the opportunity to choose how we want to be governed. Thank you for listening to us and thank you

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for your hard work. >> Thank you. Uh, >> Charlie B, you're on. >> Uh, yes. Uh, can you see me? >> Yes. >> All right. And you can hear me. Uh, I

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want to again commend you and thank you. I I have to say and and echo what Leia said. Uh you people are role models for the entire community on just how the community can come together and put

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parties aside and discuss things openly. You certainly have been open and honestly which you also have been and the fact that you all came together for a unanimous conclusion in all of your

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votes is evidence of that. So, you're the shining example that that we should emulate. Um, I'm frankly a little bit surprised by uh by some of the the folks in the community that this whole thing

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comes a surprise to them. You've been meeting for for over four months to my knowledge. Um, and uh all of your meetings have been public uh to the extent that they can be. all the

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interviews and and all of your deliberations uh are the same. So, um uh I'm looking forward to having a vote sooner than later. The time is now. There's no point in postponing this. Uh uh those folks

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that are that are jumping uh trying to jump on board. Uh the ship sailed four months ago and you're standing on the dock. You didn't get on the ship. you didn't look at the videos, you didn't remote in and attend the meetings or

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read the minutes. Uh you can go back and educate yourself, they're available. But um I think the the conststonation about gee, this is such a surprise that that doesn't hold water for me. So, thanks

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again and good luck to you and I I really hope this passes because this town desperately needs uh to work together as you have shown us we can. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I will say while the ship has

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technically left the dock, we have many dingies that we're we're willing to shuttle you on. You can jump on board. No problem. >> But this is when people get involved. They they come at the end. This is normal. This happens. I've lived here for almost 30 years. This happens with every big major event. I mean, complete

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streets people didn't say they didn't know about until it was a disaster to them and they came out later. So, it always happens like that. It's just we leave very busy lives, you know, whether we're working, not working, volunteering, working, we live busy lives. So, we don't get to it until

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somebody says, "Hey, did you hear what's going on?" And that's normal. I fully expected people to jump on now. Let them jump on now. Let's have hearty discussions. Thank you. We have Ted Chat. >> Ted,

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>> good afternoon, Ted. >> On mute. >> Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Now we can. >> Okay, great. Thanks. >> Thanks. Yeah. Long-term resident of Short Hills and I totally agree with this with this charter study conclusion. My question is, you know, where is the

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level of a complaint against this and what are the issues that of that people are bringing up who who may be opposed to this? Is it just because they didn't know about it or they have some other concerns? And I'm wondering if you guys could address what those concerns could be. Seems to me, you know, since this is

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such a hugely bipartisan uh effort and unanimous conclusion on your part, I'm just curious to know what the opposition would say to this and what what are their issues that they're bringing up? I I do think our our report does summarize a lot of the the

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counterpoints. Um, frankly, most of the counterpoints is tied only to the partisan nonpartisan election part. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of controversy regarding the other parts. Um, and and it's I think it's important

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to remember that this is not just about partisan versus nonpartisan elections. This is about changing the form of government that better works for for our municipality. One section of that or one part of that is nonpartisan elections,

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but the other part is sort of uh codifying the the coun the the business manager, what we call, you know, business administrator currently. Also, the size of of the what we call now committee, what would be called a a

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council. Um, you know, this is multiaceted, not not just about nonpartisan, but but that is what seems to be the seemingly only sticking point. >> Okay. That's what they're that's what the opposition is focused on basically

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is what you're saying. >> Yeah, it see in in my impression, yes, that that's what we've been hearing. >> Okay. Thank you, Ted. Anyone else there? Uh, no one else wishes to speak. >> Would you like to say something? I

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>> I just had a quick question also for council on something that you said. You said that um it's now our job as commissioners to educate the community. Mhm. >> And my understanding is that once this is done, your role the role of you

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disperse, you disband and the role of commissioner and so anything you do would it be as a private citizen individual would not be >> lobbying or for this as a commissioner >> discussing but but I think the education correct the educational component. Yeah,

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that is correct. So legal counsel you can answer the question. >> No, that that um it's been answered. That's absolutely correct. Um the commissioner's roles will be concluded today and then after that any outreach that they determine to undertake will be in their personal capacities >> and today we act as commissioners but in

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the future yes former commissioners I think it is still our our duty to the public who elected us. You know we're former >> not questioning whether you're >> Yeah. >> It's not capacity but it's just not in the capacity >> absolutely commissioners. Okay. Thank you.

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If I can add as a if I can add as a one of the statements is as a prominent of nonpartisan election. Say if you're going to be a Democrat in one of the Midwest states that are red in color

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like Missouri or Texas where I formally did u your voice and your vote doesn't count. By going for a nonpartisan election your voice and your vote is counted. >> Mhm. And it starts with all the local

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level, grassroots level and how we have it. And also like just want to understand and see that we read in the newspapers that there has been lot of uh partisan politics that has increased the temperature to a tipping point.

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>> Mhm. where it has led to certain uh mass shootings and other related stuff because of the polarity in the political thought that has led to this. So by going for nonpartisan election, not only are we bringing down the temperature but

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also we are community focused and bringing people together rather than dividing them on partisan lines. >> That's correct. Thank you. Um, Frank, >> so I just want to commend the commission for all of your hard work. I know you guys have put in an enormous amount of

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hours. You guys have conducted so many interviews. We've had so many public sessions. There's so much recorded material. Uh, I mean, you guys did a terrific job. Uh, and and I really commend you because I I know as personally an elected official, I know

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the level of work involved in being an elected official. and you guys were elected to do a job and you did a fantastic job. Um, I'd also like to say to, you know, the detractors out there, the beauty of the recommendation, uh, that I assume they're going to make is

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that we have a referendum. So, ultimately, the residents of the town get to decide in a referendum whether they want the change or not. So, you know, I think that all this dissension about, oh, you know, what what should be in the referendum, this that the other

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thing, when it should be, the fact of the matter is we have plenty of time for people to get educated. The fact that the centers are coming out now and supporters are coming out now in droves on both sides saying, you know, either we want this or we don't want this, that's evidence that people are starting

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to pay attention. you guys have momentum and that momentum once the report released I think as as Parker Lens pointed out is only going to grow. So um you know I also commend you on having the standalone election because that allows people to be focused on just this

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one issue. If you had it on a a general ballot I think uh as some others have pointed out it will get lost um in the in the noise of all of the other uh you know elections that are on that ballot. So I think this this is really a smart

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way to do it. It's focused and it also gives you know if it passes it gives uh people time to come together and campaign and run in November if you know when you have seven seats up as this passes um and you don't end up having

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any sort of lame duck session which you you know if you had it in November you would have that. So um I think you guys you did a fantastic job. you made all the right decisions and at the end of the day the residents will decide at the ballot box. So if you don't like it or you didn't like the process, vote

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against the referendum. If you like it, you like the process, vote for it. I think it's as simple as that. >> Thank you. Um >> Chris, do you think it's wise to for them to expound on that point one step further in the event that it passes? If

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it doesn't pass, then life goes on, right? and then the work's been done, people have spoken, it's all cool. That's democracy, right? But I think if it does pass, I think people should be aware that it's it's in this form of government, we have choices. In the

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current form of government, there is no choice. You're five, you're partisan, you are what you are. So there are choices. And I think what I also appreciated hearing from so many of the folks who were elected and told us the

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issues and non-issues and the business administrators and council managers that the idea that there could be changes without a massive study from 1972 to now we didn't have a study and it took this much to get a study together. People could decide that every four years they

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could have a change if something's not working right. Obviously, if it's not, if it's working, you don't have a change. But if something's really grossly out of whack or, you know, disproportionate, people have a chance to use that voice >> to change things. And that's the part that I found much more appealing that I

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didn't have to make a decision on my, you know, as one of the five commissioners that is unchangeable because we don't know what we don't know. So, in four years, we have found out something that we're like, well, that was an unintended consequence. There are things that can change and I

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can you know I know there's videos about it but if anybody wants to summarize from a legal perspective things that can change perhaps we have more people watching. I mean the statute is clear as we discussed I believe in the meeting uh that was perhaps at the recommendation meeting the statute is clear that the um

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if the if the referendum um and the people elect to move Milbour into a Faulner Act form of government that is the point at which every four years um the voters can weigh in on the various aspects of the government. Um so that means the partisan nonpartisan aspect can be changed, the size of the council

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can be changed, the staggered um concurrent um elections can be changed, direct and indirect election of the mayor. Those are all things that can be tweaked without the need to go back and do an entire entire charter study commission process to change the form of government. >> Thank you. I I feel like there's some

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people who might not know the answer and if they're not going to do a deep dive and want the cliff notes, I just want this meeting to give the opportunity to those folks to be like, "Oh, now I understand what that means." So >> yeah, I want to expand on that point Joanna that you're making because it's

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it's important to for the public to understand how we got to this point because our starting point was how is our government doing for us and are there any structural deficiencies that we need to address and the structural

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deficiencies were hey we have an annual election cycle we cannot expand the size of our uh governing body. There is not enough delineation of uh executive and uh legislative power. There are all of the structural deficiencies that we

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learned about through our interview process and our studies which if even if we wanted to the current form of government does not allow us to address that. So I want the public to know that the basic recommendation we are making is to move to a particular form under

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the Faulner act. And then as Susan said and as Joanna said there are various aspects of this council manager form that we can tweak in the future if we want to but the fundamental recommendation is not just partisan versus nonpartisan. It's about moving from the township committee form to the

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council manager form and and that really should get more attention from people than the four or five aspects like the size of the body, the atlarge versus ward representation, staggered elections, partisan versus nonpartisan,

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roundoff or not if it is nonpart uh runoff or not if it's nonpart all of those aspects can be tweaked by the community in the future. And I want people to understand this form of government gives you more power as an electorate. There is no way to make a direct petition in the township committee form. The council manager form

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puts that power back in the hands of the voters. So I mean sorry the uh the so that that we are not focusing enough as a community on those central issues and focusing too much on one of the aspects partisan versus nonpartisan. I I I hope

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as we deliberate over the next 62 days, we we look at this report as a whole and not just focus on on the one issue that seems to get the most attention. >> And can I reiterate one more thing? I'm so sorry, but I want to say that I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.

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I said it before, but if we need the cliffnotes version of past videos, if it's not working and it becomes like those aspects, any of those aspects, and people are like, "Hey, it's not working." and hold me accountable. I'll be the first to say, "I agree with you. It's not working if it's not working.

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Let's get together and create a large group of people to get the signatures we need. It's not that intimidating." You know, I think that if you have people behind you who are willing to do the door knocking and say, "This isn't working. This is why. Let's change this part of it." I'm happy to be a part of that change in the future. I'm not going

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anywhere. I plan on staying in this town with Chris Ducker till we kick, you know, it >> right. So, you know, if we're here, you're stuck with us. >> I wanted to add one thing to Chinuk's point. Um, one of the things we heard even before the Charter Study

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Commission, before we were elected, when we were filing our petitions with the people in town hall, they were like, "Can we finally get away from this annual election cycle?" Because the annual election cycle has caused so many problems in this town. It makes it impossible to govern. Layer in the partisan with the primaries. Now, we

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have three months to govern. And we heard that directly from the mayor of Verona. And I think in order to get out of this annual partisan, >> they said if there's only one thing, >> there's only one thing. There's one thing to change. Get us out of this annual election cycle because they cannot get anything done in town hall.

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And the only way for us to get out of the annual election cycle is to go to a Falner form of government because the township committee form dictates to us that we must have annual partisan elections. And so for all of the detractors out there who are focused on partisan versus nonpartisan, please,

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please, please think about our poor employees in town hall who would benefit so much from not having elections every um and you know if partisan nonpartisan is your sticking point, know that the partisan nonpartisan piece can be changed in the future, but the only way to get out of the annual election cycle

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is to move to a Falner Act for >> Thank you. Um anyone else? Change is hard. Change is hard. I think the bottom line is change is hard. >> Yes. >> I now close the first public comment

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period. Are there any comments from the commission regarding any comments made by the public? I think we all spoke. So >> let's continue. I think I will read this. >> Um Sure.

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>> Yeah. Um we have um before we vote on the resolution we have made some observation regarding best practices in governance. So um bear with me please. Introduction

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the commission's work has reaffirmed that Milbourne is a community with exceptional strengths. The current form of government is not one of them. The transition to a council manager form of government is an investment in ensuring

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that Mburn's finest qualities can flourish without constraints and structural differences of the township form. The following observations are offered in the spirit of that investment. practical steps the commission believes will strengthen

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community bonds, deepen institutional knowledge, and build a governing body capable of serving Milbourne well for generations to come. A a regular community gatherings. The Bower Community Center should host

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regular informal gatherings bringing together council members, the manager, township staff, and residents. These meetings structured not as official public hearings but as a relaxed

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community conversations as Commissioner Parker Lens alluded to would allow the governing body to hear from residents in a context that encourages cander rather than formality. Milbour's greatest assets has always been its residents,

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their energy, creativity, and investment in the community. Regular and friendly contact between elected officials and people they serve builds the mutual trust that makes governance work. The commission envisions these gatherings as

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a living form uh forum for the community's ideas concerns and shares uh shared sense of purpose. B premere dinners. This was uh

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I think Veronus said said this one. This is >> Mountain Lakes. >> What? Mountain Lakes. Thank you. >> Uh premeating dinners. The commission strongly encourages the new council to establish a tradition of informal

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premeating dinners among its members. Governing a community of Milbour's ambitions requires not only policy expertise but general genuine collectivity. a sense of shared mission

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that transcends individual agendas with a seven member council. This takes on special significance. The commission recommends that senior members take an active role in mentoring newer colleagues. We have when we

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interviewed people some past uh township committee uh people when they came in didn't know a thing and their colleagues didn't inform them didn't educate them. So this this to Chris Ruckers very

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very important. Uh where am I? Uh with seven members on the council, a quorum of four uh allowing for a senior member to meet informally with two junior colleagues without triggering open public meetings

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act requirements. This allows meaning meaningful membership and team building to happen uh organically ensuring that institutional knowledge is passed on and that the full council functions as a

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cohesive team from the very beginning of each new term. Dr. Khan, will you please continue here? >> Dedicated >> I'm losing my voice. The commission recommends that the township invest in at least one full-time staff member dedicated to identifying and pursuing grant

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opportunities. New Jersey municipalities leave significant county, state, and federal funding on the table each year simply for lack of institutional capacity to pursue it. A dedicated grant writer staffed within the manager's office, and coordinating with department heads would allow Milbour to compete

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more effectively for infrastructure funds, environmental grants, public safety resources, and community development dollars. The return on this investment would likely far exceed the cost of the position within a matter of years. >> And let me elaborate on that, please.

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Um, other townships, and Dr. did this study whether it had partisan and nonpartisan and believe it or not nonpartisan got more dough from uh Essex County than uh partisan so that's a that's a very very interesting point

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very good point additional staffing for the manager's office Milbour has benefited enormously from the quality of its business administrators but the current structure concentrates significant institutional knowledge and operational capacity in a single person. The commission recommends

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that the township invest in additional professional staff within the manager's office, at least one additional assistant to reduce key person risk, create more robust operational resilience, and develop the next generation of municipal management talent. The commission has observed that

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many of Melbourne's former assistant business administrators have gone on to become business administrators in other communities, a testament to the quality of the township's operation. Building a deeper bench ensures that Milbourne will continue to attract and develop talented managers while protecting the continuity

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of effective governance. >> You want to read the last one? >> Oh, sure. Or maybe Joanna Joanna, you know, you're going >> Milbour. Milbour is a community that knows how to come together. Its residents show up for each other, for

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the schools, the local causes that matter. That same energy channeled through a governing structure that gives it room to breathe and unite will propel this township through its next chapter. The commission is confident that the changes recommended in this report combined with the practices described

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above will produce a form of government worthy of Melbourne's people and ambitions. >> Thank you. Uh, may I have a motion to authorize the chair and secretary to certify the April

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15, 2026 meeting minutes following circulation to re to to and review by all commissioners? I have a motion. >> So, just before we get into that motion, I know on the agenda it says review and adoption of report before we get into the authorization. >> Um, I

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>> do I have to make a formal motion? Okay. Yeah. So um I'm going to make a formal motion to move the first item of new business to the last item so that it is adjacent to the resolution adoption just because the resolution adoption should be the last item of business. So >> we can do some of the administrative

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stuff. So I guess I formally make a motion to uh move the first item under new business to the last item under new business. >> Okay. >> Okay. I will >> second. >> All in favor that. Okay. Very good.

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>> Okay. So, I will move this motion. Um I'll move to you as a motion. Um there we are. May I May I have a motion to authorize

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the chair and secretary to certify the April 15, 2026 meeting minutes following the circulation to and review by all commissioners. >> So moved. >> I'll second that. >> So before we vote, I'll just explain the

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context. This is our last meeting and so we can't approve our future we can't approve the minutes of this meeting at a future meeting which doesn't exist. So this is just authorizing administrative ability to certify the meetings of the minute the meeting minutes of this meeting. Um so I had a motion from Corey

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and the second from Sha. Was that right? >> Yes. Or was it okay? >> Together unanimous. Two of us second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. And we did a

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>> That's okay. And then we did this. >> So in addition to the meeting minutes, we're going to have to also authorize payments for our party, >> right? Because we want to make sure you get paid. >> Thank you. >> Right. Uh may I have a motion to authorize payment of future invoices

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from King Monox and Collins LLP related to the charter study commission through the conclusion of referendum process following the circulation to and review by all commissioners. Uh, >> thank you. Second. >> I will second that.

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>> All in favor? >> I >> thank you. >> All right. >> All right. So, >> adoption. >> Yeah. We should >> So, prior to this meeting, um, I

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transmitted the copy of the final report to all the commissioners. Um, are there comments or anything else? I know we've been individually discussing over the last few weeks.

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>> No, I have one little minor correction that 16 years should be six, but that was a typo. >> Oh. Uh >> um just for my just in my bio nothing substant substantive regarding jokes, right? I don't know if it matters to anybody. >> We should >> but we should we should correct it.

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We'll just be >> okay. Yeah. So are we we'll have some time period to submit and then let's do the report or >> Yeah, we'll just do it after. >> Okay.

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>> Funny. I didn't even read a bio on myself. >> Cy, do you want to just take a minute to do that right now? >> Sure. I assume it's in the appendix. Hold on. >> Appendix. Appendix. feel like I've seen it at at some point

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before. So I I didn't >> Yeah, it didn't. It looked right. Everyone knows it looked right. That's my one. >> It's six years. Six years. >> Six plus seven.

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>> It took me. >> Yeah, it's accurate. >> Yeah. took me two days to read this. I mean, >> it doesn't include my time on the planning board, but that's okay. >> Right.

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>> Do you want to add it? >> I'm just concerned about mine because my organization doesn't didn't exist for 16 years. So, I didn't want them to be like, we didn't exist for 16 years. You know, >> I the only reason to add it is to the extent somebody sees it and it might add some weight to the recommendation since

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I've sat on two terms of the Milbourne planning board. >> Okay. So, do we want to say a longtime resident of Milbourne with his wife Lisa and two daughters. Corey has served Corey served two terms on the planning board.

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>> Yeah. And and then and is in his eighth year on the blah blah blah. >> Yeah. So served two terms on the Milbourne Planning Board and is in his eighth year. Okay. >> And that's my bad because I know I did

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review this bio several weeks ago. So >> the bio file. >> Yes. >> My bio is less than more. >> Okay. Are there any other anyone else? Shinook, are you okay with your bio? >> Yes.

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>> Good. Good. >> Right. >> All right. >> So, you make a motion. >> Yeah. So, um there was a draft agenda

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posted um to the township website that had outdated language for the ballot collection which got updated in the last 48 hours since we updated the agenda. Um so for members of the public who are here we have copies. >> This is the most current one.

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>> Yeah this is the most current one. Um I will just read out the differences. Um so maybe I will just read out the whole ballot question for the benefit of the folks listening in over Zoom. >> Is there another? >> Yeah. >> You got it. Thank you everybody.

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>> So the the only changes were to the explan the only changes versus the version that is posted on the website currently is the explanatory question which I will read out loud. >> Yes, there's and they're stylistic.

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They're not supplemented. Um, so the voters of Milbourne are asked whether to approve a change in Milbour's form of government from the township form to the council manager form under New Jerseys optional municipal charter law brands Falconer Act. If approved,

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Milbourne will be governed by a council of seven members elected at large to staggered four-year terms through nonpartisan elections held every other November beginning on November 3rd, 2026. The council as a body shall possess the township's legislative

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powers and shall determine all matters of policy for Milbour. The council shall appoint a professional municipal manager who will exercise all executive and administrative powers. The municipal manager shall serve at the will of the council. Currently, executive authority

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is exercised in part by a business administrator appointed under local ordinances. Similar to the current township form, the mayor will be selected from among the council by a majority of its members. Beyond possessing certain appointment powers and serving as the chair of the council,

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the mayor is an equal voting member of the council. If a change of government is approved by the voters, the first municipal election will be held for all seven council members on November 3rd, 2026, and the new council will be installed on January 1st, 2027.

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After the initial election, there will be either four or three council seats up for election every other November. That is the change to the member of state. >> Thank you.

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Cory dropped off. >> Yeah. Okay. So Corey just dropped off Um, So the Zoom disconnected is working on it. So okay. >> Yeah. >> Once Cory's back >> have to be Zoom call.

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>> No, I I would prefer that he get him back on Zoom. >> I got >> that becomes impossible. We can deal with that if we have to, but let's try to get him back. >> Here he is. Cory, can you hear us? >> Yep. Got you. Can you see me?

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>> Yeah. Welcome back. >> Right, >> Corey. Uh, when did you drop off? And do we need to uh repeat? >> Hold on. I'm I'm pulling up exactly where uh it was. It was

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you were at the elected at large to staggered four-year terms through nonpartisan elections held every other November. Beginning on November 3rd, it was the beginning on November 3rd is where it cut off. >> Okay. So, I will reread that portrait. If approved, Milbourne will be governed

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by a council of seven members elected at large to staggered four-year terms through nonpartisan elections held every other November beginning on November 3rd, 2026. The council as a body shall possess the township's legislative powers and shall determine all matters of policy for Milbury. The council shall

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appoint a professional municipal manager who will exercise all executive and administrative powers. The municipal manager shall serve at the will of the council. Currently, executive authority is exercised in part by a business administrator appointed under local forance. Similar to the current township

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form, the mayor will be selected from among the council by a majority of its members. Beyond possessing certain appointment powers and serving as the chair of the council, the mayor is an equal voting member of the council. If a change of government is approved by the voters, the first municipal election

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will be held for all seven council members on November 3rd, 2026, and the new council will be installed on January 1st, 2027. After the initial election, there will be either four or three council seats up for election every other November.

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>> Thank you. Um, now I'm going to read I'm going to read the resolution. Yeah. >> And then Okay. Now we turn now to resolution 26-001

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resolution approving final report and findings of Milbourne Charter Study Commission and recommending alternative form of government. I note that there is an updated draft of the resolution with updated language for

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an exempl uh explanatory statement for a valid question. So >> you already read that. >> I'd like to make a motion to adopt resolution 261 as amended. >> So moved. I mean or second, I guess. I'll second your motion.

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>> Right. Second. All in favor? >> Uh roll call. >> Roll call. Dr. Con, please. >> Mr. Biller. >> Yes. >> Dr. Kong votes. Yes. Miss. Parker Lens. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tenno? >> Yes. >> Mr. Dreer?

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>> Yes. All right. The resolution is right. Um public comforting. Yes, >> we already made the motion. >> The motion The motion has passed.

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>> The motion has passed. Yes. >> Why don't we just do a roll call that as part of the resolution we're adopting a reported do that um >> as part So, just to be super explicit about this, um one of the items in the

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resolution is to adopt the report as amended. Um so this is this is the report the report. >> So um the item three the commission secretary and attorney are hereby authorized and directed to submit an original signed copy of this resolution

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as amended and the report to the municipal clerk of the township of Milbury. So we just want to explicitly say that all of the commissioners are approving the report >> and and the two amendments to the report that and the two amendments that were made in during this meeting. >> Correct.

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>> Okay. >> Substit Okay. So, we'll do uh I make a motion to make sure I make a motion to >> clarify the commission >> clarify the commissioner's adoption of the resolution to capture the amendments

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that were proposed during this meeting >> to the report. >> I second the motion. >> Good. Mr. Biller, >> yes. >> Dr. Kong votes. Yes. Miss Parker Lens. Yes, >> Mr. Tana.

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>> Yes, >> Mr. Ducker. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Good. >> Thank you. >> I guess we'll have >> I guess we'll have a second public. >> Yeah, we'll have. >> All right, let's have a second public comment.

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>> I'm very happy. This is the last time I'm going to see >> in person first. >> In person. >> Wait a minute. Uh, speak during the public comment period. Please follow these instructions. Ensure your Zoom display name shows your first and last name. Click the raise hand button when

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public comment is announced. You will be called upon in order and promoted to panelist. Turn on your video when called to speak. Clearly state your full name and whether you are a Milbourne resident or business owner to facilitate an orderly meeting and permit all to be heard. Please limit your comments to

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three minutes. A reminder that the public comment period is an opportunity for residents to share their views with commiss with the commission. Commissioners will not respond to questions or engage in dialogue during your speaking time, but will carefully consider all comments. And just to let

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everyone know, we never we never not responded to the public. Just to let everyone know. Um please go ahead. >> I just want to clarify two things and have it, you know, answered publicly. >> Okay.

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>> Um the first is >> should this resolution pass >> and we have an election. >> No, if the referendum passes resolution. >> Okay. Should the referendum pass. Yes. >> And we have an election in November for

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all seven. >> Yes. >> Spot. >> When the public votes, they won't know. Like say Chris, say you're running and I want to run. >> My wife would divorce me if I ever run. >> That's why I picked you.

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Not cuz I want So and I pick you. I don't know whether I'm selecting you for a fouryear or a two-year term. Is that correct? >> Goes into a potent draws. >> That is correct. Um the statute actually says that exactly as Frank just said, you draw straws. It's by law. It's a random drawing and that's how it's

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decided who will serve the trunk. determine who will get the first term. After that initial initial election, everyone gets a four-year term. >> Okay. And then could you just announce now where everyone um can get a copy of this final report?

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>> Yes, it will be posted on >> and it's going to be posted. >> Yes, >> it's going to be posted on I'm sorry. >> It will be posted on the township website. >> Township website. >> And when will that be posted? >> Whenever we get the time. We'll work as quickly as we can to get that done.

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>> Yeah, the township posts pretty quickly usually. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. >> We could give it to them. >> Well, we also have to get signatures from Corey and Tro and >> Okay. I just want to ASAP. >> Yeah. I mean, >> ASAP. >> 48 hours.

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>> Yeah. I was just about to say it's going to be like, let's say two days or something. You know, it's not >> get their signatures tonight. >> Oh, we say by the end of the week. >> Yeah. >> Which is 48 hours. Oh, 52 >> 51. >> Gotcha. Thank you very much.

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>> I'm sorry. >> Question. >> Another question. >> Those were my two. Thank you for your service. This has been a historical, transparent, open process and really look forward to the

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photo op of the filing of this um resolution and report and sharing of the report with the public. Thank you. >> We have Dave, you're on. >> Yes. Thank you. I also wanted to say

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thank you folks for all the work. >> Thank you. That's it. >> Thanks, David. >> Thank you, David. >> We have Charlie. >> Yes. Uh hello again, Charles Banara, 30-year resident. Um I just wanted to

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address one more point. uh the issue of u a standalone election versus uh having it uh coincide with other elections where there's a higher voter turnout, especially this first uh vote to pass

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the resolution and enact it. Uh I think there's some advantages, you know, as you've said, but I just want to say again to and and I believe uh Corey had said this in an earlier meeting. Um there actually is is an

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advantage to having a standalone election because only the people that have researched and done their homework and understand the issue are are coming out to vote on it as opposed to people

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that are going to vote on a governor or a president or senator or something else and oh gee I'm I'm at the voting booth so I may as well vote on this other thing. Not much thought on how I'm going to vote. So, I'll just I'll just, you know, pick randomly or or pick without

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knowing all the facts or or listen to somebody else and what they told me rather than making my own mind up. I think the way you've done it with a dedicated standalone election in June will bring out the people that have done the homework, understand what they're

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voting for, and have a desire to expressly come out and vote on this issue and nothing else. So, I I think it's the right move. I'm I'm happy you made that move and I look forward to casting my vote in your

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favor. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um should we talk about uh the flyers now with council you know um >> have to close the meeting now. >> Okay. All right. I now close the second

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public comment period. Are there any comments from the commission regarding any comments made by the public? >> Um I I want to make a comment but not about the public. I just want to take the opportunity since this is the end of our final meeting to thank all of you fellow commissioners for the just

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dedication and hard work. And I wanted to specifically call out Dr. Kung as secretary. You sort of carry the heaviest burden of all of us and you did it with with extreme diligence and and I just you know it was a pleasure working

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with all of you. Um but I also wanted to specifically call out Dr. come and thank him for all of the time and effort and work that you put into it. But all of you, it's been a pleasure working with you. I enjoyed the debates with you guys. Um I enjoy enjoyed the intellectual sparring back and forth and

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and think we came to the right resolution. So So thank you all. I appreciated it. Um >> thank you. >> I I echo those sentiments. Cory, >> do you third it? Let's also shout out for your

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representation of outside council. They've been superb. >> Yay. Go council. Thank you. We appreciate that. Thank you. >> Thank you very much for the kind words, Corey. Um I do apologize to everyone. I may be a little loopy today because I am operating on very little sleep trying to get everything together. Um but I do

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want to echo the sentiments and say that it was a pleasure working with everyone. You know, I think when we originally chose to grind together, we chose to do so because we respected that we would all come into this process with good faith and actually challenge each other

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to, you know, rethink and rethink multiple times. Um, you know, what we think one way and then I talk to you and I think another way and then I talk to Corey and I think a third way. Um, and you know, I think that's how we come to the best decision by actually having a

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conversation and debating the merits of all the points regardless of who said what. You know, actually looking at the arguments on the face of it and understanding the merits. Um, and I think I would hope that any future council that does get elected would also operate in the same way.

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>> Thank you. May I have a motion to adjourn? >> So moved. All in f second. We need a second. Second. Okay. All in favor? >> Yes.

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>> I >> thank you. >> Thank you everyone. >> Thanks everyone. >> I mean F.