goes behind the scene here. Okay, thank you. I'd like to call this meeting to order. Welcome everybody. That was very loud. Um be before I start uh if Sarah you
could tell and remind everybody about the microphones for a minute. Sure. With the mics here, if mics are on side by side, there will be feedback. So, it works best if you turn it on then talk. You'll see the red light. That means
your mic is hot. And then turn it off because if they're in on and series, we'll get the feedback for the mic at the podium. And there's an additional one here at the table if needed. Uh it really has to be directed almost as if you're singing, you know, like a rock star, very
directed at your face. If it's just kind of held in the area, it's not going to pick you up. Great. Thank you. So, I am now going to read the open public meeting statement. In accordance with section five of the
Open Meetings Act, chapter 231, public laws 1975, be advised that notice of this meeting was made by posting on the bulletin board town hall and serving the officially designated newspapers. a notice stating that this meeting would take place at the board of education
building at 434 Milbour Avenue, Milbour, New Jersey at 7:30 p.m. on June 5th, 2025. Sarah, roll, please. Zachary Davis here. Robert Frankle here.
Brad Jenkins. Justin Sin here. Elizabeth Winga, Christine Best here, Venites Chloada, Allison Canfield here. Um, we will now move to the
minutes of May 1st meeting. Um, they've been distributed to the commissioners. Are there any additions or corrections? Hearing none. Do I hear a motion to approve? Motion to approve. Second. Second. Thank you. All in favor say I.
All opposed. Minutes have been approved. Thank you. We are now going to jump to memorializations uh from May 1st. Application number 608,
Taylor Park Gateway, 100 Main Street Township of Milbour, was the applicant. We have application number 141, Forest Drive, Custom I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I have the wrong one?
Application 602. Oh, application 602. Um, custom building group for the applicants. And then application number 606 412 Wyoming Avenue. Um the
Slokumy applicants. Uh do I hear a motion to approve the memorializations as listed from May 1st? Motion to approve. Second. Second. Thank you. Uh Sarah, roll
please. Zachary Davis, I was not present, so I will not approve. Robert Franle, yes. Justin Salin, I was also not present, so won't vote.
Christine Best, approved. Venitates Chhatlo approved. Allison Canfield, yes. Um, we are now going to move to old business. Um, I'd like to change some things out. Uh, we have application
number 58817 Highland Avenue uh has uh asked to carry to the next scheduled meeting. Um, I'd also some old business was um let me look here for a minute. It was
on the letter to uh historic uh districts. This is a letter uh it's something that we've done in the past to remind everyone that they are in a historic district before work can be
done. It does say what uh minor work does. Uh did everyone have a chance to look at it? Do we have any comments or concerns about this? Again, we tried to put it
in one letter um so it was easier and it also referenced the website where they could get more information or also contact Barton Ross. So, tonight I would actually like
to see if we could get an approval on this so we can get it out as soon as possible. Um, so do I hear a motion to approve the historic property owners letter uh that we made some slight changes to? And
motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. Great. Sarah, roll please. Zachary Davis. Yes. Robert Frankle. Yes. Christine Best. Um, did you want to comment at this
time, Allison, or No. Oh, sorry. On the MOT on the the letter. Certainly. I mean, you can I asked if there were any comments. I know. I'm sorry. I was just focus. I apologize. Was um I my it's beautifully written. Um my only comment was the bolded statement if you're
planning changes to exterior might maybe come more forwardly like that's all just to catch somebody's eye so they understand the seriousness of of the HBC that that's all somebody might skim read through it a little bit more that's that was I mean it's nitpicky but that was
the only thing I mean it's beautifully written and it hits all the points so approved and and again you would like for clarification you would like Yeah, I mean it just it's just it's was just, you know, from a marketing
perspective, I might kind of like this this is the key sentence to me that's bolded and like maybe have that more forward in the in the second paragraph. That was all because it it basically instructs people like, hey, if you're planning changes like take this
seriously. That's all. I mean, the rest of it is very explanatory, but that would catch my eye. I might scheme read over it like oh historic property owners that that's just you know just to you know get them to understand the seriousness of actually applying. Okay
that's all otherwise it's I mean it's beautifully written. So certainly just moving a few things around and again we would have to have um legal take a look at it to see if there's any reason why that can't be done which is fine. Um,
but if it can be done, we will make an effort to do that. If not, do you and they don't feel that it's appropriate? It's fine. Otherwise, I It was just me being like, just knock their socks off with it. I understand. Be more firm. I
understand. Um, so where are we? We can start again, but that reminds me there's a note from town hall. Okay. Okay. We have a comment. So just want to clarify this is going only to the existing historic districts correct not for any future designations none of those new
nothing new correct no it's only to prop property owners in the his existing historic districts which is the shortage train station and it would be the short hills uh park district the Wyoming park district and
then the new uh short what what What do we call that one? Short hills. Short hills train downtown. Okay. And do we need to run this by anybody else in the township committee given the history of these letters and how it is
being received? Um should there be any announcement sent out in the normal group before this letter goes out? Well, certainly when it was done the first time and yes, it will be reviewed before it's sent out. Uh but right it's the language is the same. They wrote the
letter the first time. We did not. Um so what we did is we tried to put it on one page and say the same thing. Um but yes, this will then go through the township committee again, but we need to make
sure that we agree on what's written. Now I'm good. Okay. Thank you. There's there's actually one um comment from town hall. It's just a bit of housekeeping as far as the number that's listed. Since the letter was distributed
last time, if they call the number that's listed currently, they're going to have to be transferred over to a different extension, which is like one more step. So, it might be helpful to streamline it just by putting the direct extension, which I can uh provide to
you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Good for roll. I think so. Okay, we'll start over again here. Zachary Davis, yes. Robert Franle, yes. Brad Jenkins, can I vote on this even though I just walked in?
I did. Just Yes. Yeah. Justin Salin, yes. Christine Best, yes. Bankshot Lavvada, yes. Allison Canfield, yes.
Um, I'd also like to make a public announcement for the record that Brad Jenkins just slipped in. Um, and sorry, I went to town hall. I wasn't here last month, so I didn't realize. Oh, it's the worst. We've all been there, Brad.
Thank you. So, now we'll move on to new business. Um, yeah, but we don't have copies. Yeah. Sorry about that. Um, new business application number 6007 Nullwood Road, block number 21108, lot number two, is a
non-contributing property in the Short Hills Historic District. And are who's here tonight to represent this application? And hang on one. It's a regulatory application for demolition
and construction of a new twostory single family residence on the existing foundation with other property improvements. So, if we could have uh the applicant and Yeah, I'm the
architect. Okay. We need to swear you in our attorney. Would you raise your right hand? Would you raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. Truth. Thank you. And your name and address for the record? Yu. Thank you.
Thank you. And Mr. Classy, your name? 38 Chatten Road, Short Hills, New Jersey. And can you just qualify yourself? Um, I'm a licensed architect and uh licensed interior designer in New York and New Jersey. And um I don't know, I've been
licensed for about 30 years. I've appeared in front of this board, I know, 30 times probably. I just said 30 because 30 was working. And uh it's in good standing. Thank you. Like way up. Yes. And also if everyone
can turn off their mics. Uh good evening everyone. Uh thank you for your time. Uh it's very simple. I love Shaw Hills. I live here for 10 years and that's my you know my decision. I will spend my rest life here
and my my family I have my parents-in-law and my parents moving with me. So I have uh baby go at home uh you know and they need to take care of her because I frequently travel to uh city to work and and uh I still love my
current house but just a little outdated and small. So I bought a house in Glenwood. I love that area and also I invited Tim and because he's one of the best architecture I believe him a lot
and uh with with his Wilson and also everybody's approval that please make my dream come true. Thank you. Okay. Um, I guess I'll start
with the initial report that Barton came sent to me back on May 15th. Oh, I I think before I start, I should say that the Panqui application for 17 Highland is definitely going to come for the
August meeting. Like, I want to personally guarantee it. Okay. So you won't have to carry it any longer and thank you for it. Um but I think we have it all ironed out and uh we'll be able to come the um but
in in in the the first report that Barton issued on May 15th, you know, he mentions a specimen tree and we went Barton and I both went looking for it and it's not there anymore and I just wanted everyone to
know. It's the last page of that um report from May 15th. I can send it around if you if you don't have it. I don't know if he gave it to everybody. But anyway, it basically, you
know, is David Gibson's original report and um talks about the house being built in 63 later appears to be built in 65, but at the end of it um there's a thing about a tree and it's not there. I don't
know when it was removed, but if this is accurate when it was done, then uh there was a tree that was later removed. So anyway, we started the project and I'll just walk you through it really
quickly. This is the existing drawings which you have a copy of and uh it's the the house has an existing basement with a twocar garage loaded on the right side. On my drawings, they're
e drawings. Existing. You want me to move? I'm sorry. Yeah. I'll maybe I can Oh, yeah. Okay. Good. So, um an existing basement with this existing side loaded two-car garage, an existing first
floor, and a um really no second floor to this house. It's really a ranch. And if you look at the on my E3 sheet, the existing garage is over here on the right side. And you come in, these two little windows are really the existing
garage. And um our proposal tonight is to take this building down to what I call the first floor deck. The floor deck of the first floor. Okay. Um there's a couple of
reasons for it. The biggest reason is that the foundation is in good shape. You know, it's a new house kind of in my business. It's built in like either 63 or 65. And it's a lot less disruptive to the site, a lot less disruptive to the
neighborhood. And um we can do our work without really ripping the whole site apart. The other thing that I have one more sheet, the other two elevations, you know, it's a really a low singlestory house. Here you can
see the garage coming in on the lower level. The the the site also presently has two driveways and part of this work is to eliminate the driveway that's on Nwood which I think Barton mentions in his report. If I go now to
my proposed drawings, I'm now in my HPC1 sheet. the uh you can see the existing foundation and a small area in the front where we added to it. We removed a patio
and reconstructed a smaller patio and took the twocar garage and just added another bay to make it a threecar garage, but basically left the site as is. On the right side here is the driveway on Park Place that we I think I
said null wood before, but it's a driveway on Park Place, which is the driveway we removed. This curb cut and driveway is really remaining as is. So, we kind of were able to leave all the trees that are on the site and
um really have really minimal sight disturbance. If I come up to my basement floor, we now the present twocar garage. We just took out what's kind of like a that den that you used to see in these
houses on behind the garage. We took that den away and turned it into a threecar garage and then came in, added our stairway going up to the second floor, a bedroom, a full bath, and a little media room and a kind of a small
basement, mechanical room. As I come up to the first floor, we just replanned the spaces and created the a primary building, dining room, foyer, living room, and
then a glazed area open like a old porch that was enclosed where the office is. And then on the left side, we have a guest bedroom. And as we come across the back, we create a kitchen, eating
area, family room, and we take this patio that was in this area and pushed it over to the back of the family room, right? Um, park is right here. Our coverages, everything all
conforms in terms of zoning. I come up on the second floor. This is where I went um back and forth with Barton a little bit because he wanted me to kind of scale the building down. Is especially worried about this building because it kind of sits up on a null a little bit and he didn't want it to get
too big. So that you can see how we clip down and have a roof area over here. We're actually have a lowered plate at that height at about seven feet. And then we have a clipped area and clipped on this side because we're trying to
drop our building. You can see our roof here as we clip down. But we're able to get things that sort of a newer house would want like a wider stairway than the original three-foot stair. Then if I'm now on my
BOA5, we have a stone facade and then we pushed our roof down. And you can see actually even my gutter mark is halfway across the window. It's at about, you know, 3 feet off the floor where that gutter is. Everything's been really
pushed down. We're way under our maximum building heights on top. And we come with our primary building and then our side buildings attached to it with that's that glass area roof set back to
a again a lower area. I come this is the park side with the chimney coming up and the office space there. You can see we pushed it down. All the windows are six over six, you know, um thermal pane um
simulated divided light glued on the front, glued on the back, like a they look like they're true divided, you know, but they're actually not. And um the shutters we get from this Kingsland shutters up in uh Connecticut,
they're I got to say, gorgeous. They really are. They're like be they're beautiful mahogany shutters. And um it's in that little packet that I gave you in there. And then this is my garage side which really isn't visible
because you come up from the tracks and it's a it's shielded by the grade that's forward of it. It you could kind of get up to see this road, but you got to sort of look up the driveway. And the driveway where the curb cut is a little forward so that it's pretty well
shielded. And then this is our rear elevation. And that's it. I'm just going to take you to the rendering. And I have a couple of them I can pass around if you want to see it. But that's a rendering of the of the building is brick, chimney, wood
siding, you know, wood windows, wood shutters. Um, all the materials are all natural materials. And I know that's something that Barton was asking for in his recommendations at the end and everything is. And then to the
left of it is um our landscape plan. And what I did is I added some trees into this area so that I could sort of block that driveway view a little better. That's what I was trying to do. And when I was saying before about the driveways
that typically this driveway side loaded comes from where my finger is on the back side because it's makes it a little easier to turn in. But by leaving it forward like we did, it actually gives
me a better opportunity to put some foliage here and really block that view of the driveway. And um that's uh everything I think right this house was built in 1960 either 63 or
65 and um Barton has deemed it not to be uh I guess I guess I'll say contributing property and um I I think his report feels that we've
made an improvement for the district itself in this case. I don't want to really speak for him, but right in his report, Barton's not here today or he would uh he would go over his findings and recommendations. Is there anything on
those recommendations and findings that you can't comply with? No. No, we can comply with all of this. we normally would anyway. Um, so I think right now I'll just open it up for questions and comments from
the commissioners. I have just a general question. Um, is there a reason why we're raising the house and building from the ground up instead of expanding what's already there? Um, like leave the first floor
partitions. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess that's what you're saying. Yeah. Um, we didn't want to leave the first floor partitions because we want to come back and put 2 by sixes on the wall. Okay. And come back and be able to insulate, tighten the house. And it's a little bit
difficult to leave the existing walls when we modify the interior because all the bearing walls are lost. And it's it's a it's possible, but it's it's harder to you end up with a lot of beams
on the first floor ceiling, which probably just gets the plumber all worked up. But it also gives me a lot of problems with little deflections in the ceiling itself. Okay? Because the beams
are actually a little deeper than the floor joist and they don't shrink as much as the floor joist. So this way we can get a clean surface to work on. Okay. Um, one other question. I know you mentioned about planting new trees. I I'm looking at currently there's a lot
of like older growth trees. Um, are a lot of them coming down during the construction? We weren't really taking trees down. I don't think there's one that's like right next to the house. If we got something too close to the house, that's probably going to come down. I'm just thinking in terms of sight lines as
to what's Well, we weren't planning to cut like the trees are supposed to be accurate on um my plan. Like I guess there's one in the corner here at the driveway.
that I think we'd like to leave. Really? Even though Yeah. This one on the these two over here, I'd actually wouldn't mind leaving either. This is the one at Owen Park Place. This one's only 12 in. This one's only 6 in. That's 10 in.
They're not big. These This is big. These three. Yeah. The And there's one in the back right that's on Park Place. That's a larger fact that this I'm not sure what that is. Is that an O? A pin oak maybe. I think it's, you know, I like some type
of fruit tree to me. Okay. I don't know. It's pretty big. That's the one I think you Is it the one that they put a 16 on here? This is not I don't know. No, on the um Look at uh HPC1. You'd be better for it. Sure. Oh,
it's going to be way too small for you to see. I think it you know, all the calipers of the trees are on here. But we didn't think Oh, I I can see one that's going to have to go that's it's actually in the driveway.
Oh, this is a better picture. Yeah, that one's a beautiful that one. And there's also Yeah, I didn't look. It's not really close to the house. So, I know you mentioned it's probably unless it's something that's within the way of
No, you know, nothing's too close for us really, except for the tree in the driveway back here on the left. I could just see it's in the driveway. The um this is that driveway that I was talking about that we're
removing as part of this. It's like this was I think I guess another parking area at one time. I I couldn't see at all where this big tree I lived in that house on Nwood for years with a big It still has
a big tree in the front. Yeah, but asking because you mentioned it doesn't really show it on the I don't know where it even could have been. It's really pretty. I noticed it when I went to Yeah. Uh would it be fair for me to say that uh we we would like from you what stain
and what's being removed on this property? Yeah. With the original plans. Mhm. Do you want me to do it now or you mean or um or I I don't think when we submit. Yeah. I don't think we really I mean I can see that there's one here in the
driveway and that's to me looks like the only tree that we'd want to remove. Okay. But I think we need clarification. So what we can do is put as a conditional that we need a plan as to
which ones are going and which ones are staying. How's that? Maybe that might be might eliminate a lot of conversation here because right now we're identifying trees that don't show up on this particular plan.
Are we Yeah. Are we okay with that? I'm okay with I just wanted some clarification especially the one Yeah. Some of the larger trees most notably. Yeah. I I mean I think that one fruit tree that's on the side of our place should stay I mean ideally and should be
protected during construction and possibly hand trimmed back because it has a very historic elegant aesthetic that I mean would be disappointing to lose just that was like the one thing and there are a lot of trees on the property some better than others. So
just so you know we will add that as a conditional good you know we have to protect the trees. Yeah. Anyway, well, I mean, you know, Dodie, well, you know, Stacy now, but great. Are there they're pretty good with it, actually.
They're they're on it. No, that's it for me. Thank you, Brad. Any other comments, questions about the application? I haven't question. Okay.
Um I I um beautiful design and it's going to be stunning. I wanted to just ask one quick question just reading through some of the general comments from Barton. Yeah. Um about you know the house fitting in the historic space of
the neighborhood and this is a massive improvement. Um I wanted to understand if the stone front because you know it's an illustration there's a lot of this cultured stone going on to homes that um almost has an indoor feel to it. I don't
know if you've seen some of the throughout the neighborhood, throughout the town, but I wanted to sort of understand, you know, is this going to is this like a natural field stone or is this cultured stone that's going to be applied? Like it's it's I'm assuming it's it look it appears to be some type
of veneer like or is it going to be it's you know in my business this is all called veneer stone. Uhhuh. But it's 4 in thick. Okay. And it goes on top of the wood frame construction. It's like sort of sits on the brick shelf if it was bread, right? But is it
cultured or is it natural? No, no, no, it's natural stone. What type of stone is it? It's in that pamphlet. It's um I'm sorry. I didn't I missed No, it's here. I'll find it for you. Thank you. I just don't know if I'm supposed to hold the mic with the left hand or the right
hand. I'm so confused. How rock. It's um it's this uh like I guess it we don't have page numbers here. It's towards the end. It's um
Yeah. What's it called? It's It's a stone we get up at um Morris Brick up in Morristown. Okay. And um it's you see how it's if you can find this
page it's um it's caramel hill and it's there's four types of cuts to stone and the stone that we picked is the square. We we picked the cut that's square and rectangular because we think
it really does the best match to the heartshorn materials. It looks older. Um but that is actually the stone. It's up at Boris Brick. Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. If you see it, it looks very different
with different cuts. So if you can can you So it's variegated is what you're saying. like the cuts are like they vary in size. I was just trying to the reason why I made the comment was, you know, there's so many beautiful historic houses in in that area and they have, you know, sort of
varying stonework that feels really natural versus veneer. And, you know, with the tonaless of the house, it feels a little bit more modern and not as nuanced as some of the Mahor stark homes. And it's just an overall comet. You know, I mean, it feels it's
beautiful. I see it sitting in a place like Fairfield Estates more um a little bit more than on Nwood. Um, and that was the only reason why I asked that question. And maybe it's just little details. Like I think it's just the um the I don't want to say flatness, but
it's everything's very tonal. Like the the roof is very tonal, so it doesn't feel as historic looking, but I mean it's still a massive improvement. So that would just be my only comment. I don't know if that's even appropriate to say, but um you know that's all just as
it's sitting in the space that it relates to. That's I think you're talking more about a color way. What? Like a color way like the way that color has a movement to it. Yeah. There's in a good material like it's almost like you
can't lose it with good material. It's like a weird thing, but it because it has a great color way. I'm even looking at the uh mahogany here in the front of this. Right. Every a color way does wonders and I think that's what you're really Yeah. It's just more transition rendering probably doesn't get it well.
Yeah, maybe that's what it is. It's more transitional or just some maybe additional details, you know, um that might just be missing like maybe a rounded gutter or something that makes it feel a little bit more historic or some lentils. I I don't know what the answer is. I mean, it's a beautiful
design otherwise. That was just a simple comment. I understand and the tree. No, no, no, that one tree. That one tree, that one tree is really, it's really quite beautiful and I think even just, you know, just trying to save that that one tree.
So, let's come back to that. And anybody else have any comments or concerns? Please, Zach. Uh Tim, just on if I can can continue on the stone since it's such a prominent part of your um
part of your front facade. Looking at what you're listening to what you're saying about looking to try and and bring in what other heartthr buildings look like. This is very irregular in terms of its design, right? And so I was wondering what other options there were
for patterns besides just rectangular because it's going to look very regular. Whereas if you look at a heartorn house further up the end on on Nwood and you know thinking about up where Rob lives in that area, we have multiple ones that have you know stone facades there. They're very variable in their design
and how they present that stone. This is going to look very regular. it won't have that same uh appearance. So, if you were going for something like that, I don't know if there were other options. They basically four cuts, four different cuts to stone.
This may be actually a nice thing for a subcommittee when we're at the stone point. I don't know if you guys want to do that, if anybody would like to do that with us. Well, I'm just thinking that but it may be because you could really I could get panels of this stone to the
site. You could really look at this. It'd be nice. Actually, if if it I think if it wasn't the front, I wouldn't be concerned about it. And certainly where it is up on that little rise at the corner, it's it's going to be one of the things people are going to notice. And you know, let's let's do it right. So, I
agree. I think that might be a good uh thing for us to look at your options, you know, and even Barton is always great to look at stuff. I mean, what I mean, okay, he's always willing. What other options are there besides this rectangular? I can't think of the four, but there's four cuts to stone. You
could even Google it and probably see them. There. And so, first you pick the stone and then you pick the cut. And the stone looks unbelievably different with different cuts. Yeah. Yeah, like a, you know, one's like a rubble, which I I
think kind of looks a little too doesn't look refined enough for what we're doing, you know, like not trimmed at all, but it makes a big a huge different on the stone. Like you you'd look at you'd almost think it's a different stone. Right. Right. All right. Well, I
think that's a we can add as a condition to look at that down the road. Thank otherwise, I think it looks great. So, thank you. Um, I have a couple of questions, Tim. Um, I couldn't find it in your sheets here, but you mentioned uh the garage
doors, and certainly they're beautiful. Um, is are we going to assume that they and the front door also mahogany as a as the shutters or or what are what's the material at this point? The the mahogany shutters are usually painted. I didn't
get that shape. Oh, you know, I I probably collated it because nobody else shows up to do anything in my office. So, it's probably my fault. I can't even blame anybody. You know, I the um the the shutters are mahogany but
painted, I think. Not left natural mahogany, but they are wood. Yes, they're just mahogany because it's a great wood for a shutter. That's all. Okay. And it's durable and kind of um weather pretty weathertight like cedar
would be a good wood for a shutter, but it's so soft and pine is terrible like all the shutters you see. But we were painting it. The front door I didn't think we should paint at this point. It should be like an oak
door or a mahogany door. But then I do notice that after about five years, everybody starts to paint their front door because it becomes a maintenance problem to hold the transparent finish. You know, it's really difficult. The
um the garage doors, I think, should be painted really because I I got this thing that I don't I just don't like showing off the garage doors so much. I don't think that they're no matter how well how pretty
they are like they're pretty. I just don't I just feel that garage doors should paint into the wall and still kind of not be popping out on the wall. But that's like a a personal opinion that actually we talk about all the time in the office because one of the guys doesn't agree
with me. Right. Can you show the rendering because I think it I don't know what he did on the rendering. I think it did. Oh, he didn't actually go there. But um yeah, I I just don't really like garage doors with a natural finish. I'm
not talking about what material they are. I just mean they look like they they pop out too much to me. That's it's just me. That's it feels that way. like, you know, I see these big like
it's like they're making too much of a big deal about the garage door. I'd I like it to kind of fade in. So, I tell everybody I want them to paint the garage doors to match the building. So, I again that's my theory about it. I just wanted clarification on that. Um,
and then the front door, if you're not going to stain it, you think you're gonna No, I'm gonna stain it. I want to I want I had the renderer change the front door cuz he originally had it white, right? Cuz he's just rendering
stuff. Looked terrible to me. So, I just wanted it to be brown. I think it's stained. But I think that after four or five years, you kind of the stain just becomes hard to
maintain and then people usually end up painting the door. So, you know, paint lasts for seven years, stains good for like two years. So, just again clarification, mahogany shutters stained, which we don't know
what mahogany shutters painted. Painted. Painted. Okay. Like painted that like right there. We have a sort of a neutral gray. Okay. They use door and sidelight. I think should be
oak or mahogany, you know, a hardwood. Okay. But I'm just saying you may come by in five years and see it painted. That's all. That's all I'm saying. It's just hard. Sometimes I even like it painted
brown actually. So again, everything then um you're agreeing to is that that uh with Barton's comments is that you're using real wood for Yes. windows, doors,
garage doors, siding, right? Correct. Everything. Okay. Um I think that was it. Okay. Any other questions or comments, Alison?
Oh, um I had one comment just you kind of brought something to my head. Um when you talked about wood, uh are are those going to be just cedar boards going across or I'm assuming they're cedar? Cedar. Okay. Siding is cedar. No, I
know. I just was making sure. No, no, no. Cedar. And what about the trim work? The white trim. Is that correct? trim work. We use this bodyguard pine. It's pine. When we want, we're either using Azac, right, which is the plastic, which
actually looks pretty good if you round the corners a little bit and paint it, or we're using bodyguard pine, which is a pine that's been injected to fill the pores to make it more durable. Because the problem with the pine is, yeah, that
it's young pine. It's got it's finger. It's like a sponge with a lot of holes in it. Those holes holes hold moisture. Um hardwood pine. If when I see old pine, it actually is almost as heavy as oak is right now. Like it's crazy. Is
the door going to be like solid or veneered? Is it a prefab door? No, it'll be solid. A lumber core door. A regular regular door. Okay. I'm just trying to Is it a custom door or is it Side lights are they're that's She may not know this yet, but that's like a 10 grand door.
Okay. That whole assembly. No, just because the door she just fell over, but that's about what it goes for. Yeah, it makes it feel more historic in age. And it's a big deal. The front door. Thank you. You know, when you see those fiberglass I see these $4 million houses in town with fiberglass front door, it's
seems crazy, but Great. Any more questions? Okay. Um, do we have any qu Well, do we have anyone here for the open public meeting? Any comments on this application? Sounds fabulous to me. Thank you.
Um, so I think at this point, um, I'd like to start. Do I have a motion to approve with conditions listed? And that would be submitted documents, the construction documents that will also be
going to the building department. Uh a landscape update with that and also uh stone approval of some uh let's put the minor work review on the stone approval piece of
that. Okay. Um I would like to mention this is a again a very historic park place. Um you know I know you've kept that in mind with looking at this house. Again I
think the stone will make a difference. Certainly the comments about the landscaping and also using, you know, real wood materials because I think this neighborhood certainly as you see your
neighbors um and their homes. Uh so we're we're trying to keep it, you know, at that level. So appreciate it. Um so do I hear a motion to approve with the conditions listed? Motion to approve
with the conditions as listed by the commissioner. Thank you. Second. Second. Thank you. Sarah Zachary Davis. Yes. Robert Franle. Yes. Brad Jenkins.
Yes. Justin Salin. Yes. Christine Best. Yes. Venitates Chhat Lavvada. Yes. Allison Canfield. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. there. Um, we have a second application number
610 9 East Lane, block 2208, lot number nine. It's a non-contributing property in the Short Hills Park Historic District. Uh applicant is Hannah Kendall and Will. Will, sorry, Will, they didn't
put your name down here. She's the important one. Oh, she Oh, okay. Um, and it this is a regulatory application for construction of a twocar attached garage with breezeway and patio and a conversion of an existing garage into a
family room with other property improvements. Um, can we have all of you sworn in by our attorney, please? Would you raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So, help God. Thank you. And your names and addresses for the record?
Uh Will Kendall um Hannah Kendall 9 lane address and Zachary Architecture at 11. Can you guys talk into the mic please? Um like a rockstar. How's that? So
Will's just going to give a quick introduction. Well, I I need to make a clarification. It is a contributing house, not a non-contributing house. So I apologize. So thank you. Okay. Thank you. We'll go right ahead. Yeah. Just a quick um overview, quick, uh background
on us, um before I pass it off to Zach. Um so, uh you know, I were very excited to move to Short Hills. I actually grew up in Short Hills, uh on Hawthorne, right near the middle school. Um my parents went to uh grew up in Short Hills, too, and my my grandparents, so
sort of a third generation Short Hills, went through the Milbourne school system. Um looks pretty similar. Some things have changed, but for the most part, it's it's the same. But, um, you know, we live in Brooklyn now. We have two young kids. Um, we're really looking to put some roots down and want to do it
in Short Hills and love the community and, um, and and and the town. And so, um, very excited about moving. You know, as far as the, you know, the changes, they're they're very simple. I mean, it's, uh, essentially, you know, putting in a two-car garage because the current house doesn't have a two-car garage. Um,
you know, the rest of the changes are, you know, on the interior and, um, you know, it's really important to us, you know, as it is obviously to you to to maintain sort of the historical, you know, structure and and aesthetic and having grown up in the in the town. I can really appreciate that. So, um, just
wanted to thank you for your time and reviewing this and I'm going to pass it to Zach for to go through it. Sure. Uh, my name is Zach Goldstein. I'm a principal at John James Architecture in Maplewood. Uh I received my bachelor of architecture from Syracuse University
and am a licensed architect in New Jersey, New York, Minnesota, and Tennessee. Um I've been a licensed architect in New Jersey since 2016. Um in that time I've presented to various historic boards and zoning boards uh throughout the state and my license number is 201188 and it is in good
standing. Um I'm also a member in good standing of the American Institute of Architects. Um, okay, great. So, just to kind of like uh walk through the overall project and kind of go from like a zoomed out perspective and then kind of zoom more into the existing uh contributing
structure. Um, so the address is 9 East Lane in Short Hills. The block is 2208 lot 9 and this is application 610. Um, the property is an undersized um 24,171 ft uh parcel on East Lane in Short Hills. Uh just for clarity, the
minimum permitted in the district is 29,000 ft². So uh it's just a little bit small and and that kind of plays into kind of what we propose today that we'll walk through. Um 9 lane is a colonial revival style house. It's built in 1930. Um the properties in the Short Hills
Park historic district and the house is um now contributing um to the district uh in the expanded period of significance uh from 1878 to 1959. Um the house is a two-story 5 bay central colonial revival residence that is clad
in uh wood shingles. Uh we believe it's cedar uh and covered with an asphalt shingled side gabled roof. Uh the fenistration consists primarily of 6 over6 double hung sash windows flanked by louvered wood shutters um on the front of the house.
Um, in terms of, uh, prior renovations, um, from, um, from what we, uh, can can tell, um, it seems like there was an addition that was done somewhere between 19, uh, '92 and 1994. Um, the addition, uh, we think is is kind of this
component here at the back of the house that kind of juts out into the backyard. Um, it's a little hard to tell. I think there may have been an existing structure that was there before the addition uh just given the way that the um chimney is kind of uh embedded in the in the facade. Um but in any that we
think that was maybe an addition that was done uh you know 30 years ago or so. Um and then just to uh walk through the existing structure. Um, so as Will said, um, I think one of the key, um, kind of contributing, uh, elements of the house
that led to the addition or proposed addition is the existing, uh, garage. It's it's kind of designed in theory to be a two-car garage, but at 18 uh, 2 in x 17t 10 in, it's just too small to actually fit a car. Uh, like practically
um, and and definitely not big enough to fit an SUV. Uh, it's it's it's not deep enough, but it's also just not wide enough. Um, and that presents um, a kind of just a difficult uh, condition as it relates to the historic structure, but also as it relates to the zoning. Um, a
few other just elements of the house to just walk through. We the there's a um, a kind of kitchen and family room that's in the corner here in what we think was probably an addition in the '90s. Um, and I think one thing that we were struggling with a little bit is just that it's it's kind of separated from the rest of the house. um and it doesn't
have, you know, some semblance of connectivity to the foyer and the living room and and the dining really. Um so that was something that we were trying to kind of work to improve through the proposed um changes. Um and we also kind of felt like at the back of the house there wasn't a great
um like physical connection to the rear yard and it's a beautiful rear yard. Um and we were hoping to kind of play play up that connection so that it's easy to kind of move from inside the house to the to the rear yard. Um on the second floor um I think one kind of key uh challenge uh is in the
primary bedroom. Um for one the the bedroom is situated where there's no clear bed wall. Um basically the the door location which is is is largely driven by the location of the staircase. Uh makes it such that there's really no good place to put um a bed up against the wall without putting the bed against
windows. Um, additionally, the way that the closets are structured, it kind of pushes the the bed uh and and and the um primary suite towards the front yard. And, you know, all else equal, we try to kind of shift that towards the rear yard. So, there's a little more privacy in the primary bedroom suite. Um,
additionally, the closets, I think, for for today's standards and and this um size home and neighborhood um are just a little under size. And so we were looking for opportunities to maybe uh improve on on the the primary bedroom a little bit and improve the um kind of a layout so that it's easier to lay out
with furniture and a bed. Um before I go into the um prop um proposed, I just wanted to hand out um a few It is kind of funny having to hold the microphone. Um I just wanted to um hand
these exhibits over. So, this includes these are um I'll just show you for a second. Uh I got um so this is a rendering that Barton had requested. I just wanted to print it out like so we can enter it into the record. It also includes um a colored site plan
um here. Um uh this was slightly slightly like corrected from the version that um had been emailed over yesterday. So we just wanted to kind of print that cleanly for everyone. Um and then um there's a a site plan as well and
then updated elevations um which just clarify which windows are new and which are existing in response to Barton's comment about a chimney at the rear of the h at the rear of the house. So if we can just mark that as exhibit A1. Great. Great. Okay. Um, I just wanted to walk
through the zoning uh for a second just because it really drove the overall kind of design of the house. So, ultimately the existing garage uh is over here on the right side of the the property. Um, and like we said, it's just not large enough. And I think one of the things that was a constraint, it was frankly
quite a difficult constraint is this garage is so close to the sideyard that to try and make it the proper width, we would have needed to make it 6 ft wider uh and also deeper, it just pushes the structure like into the sideyard setback. Um and also makes it so that it
would have been quite difficult to like get into that garage. So, just like there's also um per the code uh when you have a driveway that runs along the property line in the R3 district, it needs to be five feet from the sideyard uh property line. Uh and so when you just kind of add all those things
together, it just wasn't possible to just simply enlarge this. And the other thing was that just if we tried to enlarge it, it would have impacted the front facade. And that was something we worked really hard to try and maintain the existing front facade. Um, so basically like kind of inevitable conclusion you kind of reach as you try
to like work through, okay, where could we fit just a reasonable two-car garage. Uh, it had to be basically on the other side of the lot. And then the other requirement of the R3 district is that we're not allowed to have frontfacing garages. Um, and so it needed to be a sidefacing garage. And then that also
kind of drove um some requirements about just the sheer depth you need for the driveway in order to like turn into um the garage. Um, so it kind of um in some ways the the garage kind of just needed to be in this location. And I think what we liked about that, frankly, is just that it was it's tucked away in the back
of the house and really I don't think you'd be able to see it from the um from the front of the house. It's one and a half story where the house is two and a half story. Um so I I think we were thinking it kind of worked well and and also was complying with the zoning. And so everything we're showing here today complies with zoning um which was um you
know important thing for us to try and pursue. Um, so the change really is just for the garage. Instead of the garage being here, it's it's in the rear uh back back of the um house over there. Um, can I just interrupt for one minute? You guys are welcome to sit down. I should have said that
to you guys. I I know it can be a long process. Um, I should have said that to the the other applicant and I apologize. No, I should have noted it as well. You're welcome. Um, great. Um so just to walk through the proposed
structure. Um um so um you know there's not much of con consequence from a historic perspective, but in the basement we're planning to um dig out the space below the existing garage uh so we can convert it into a gym. Um but I don't think there's really
going to have much impact on the exterior. Um, we're proposing like a light well on the side of the house, which, you know, if you were standing over it, you might see it. Um, but that's really just uh, you know, I think safety for one, but also just, um, bring some light into that proposed
gym. Um, on the first floor, uh, the key change that we're making is converting the existing garage into a family room. And I think what we're we're a big piece of this is is really just serving to kind of create a stronger connection between these rooms and the ground floor. Um where the existing is is a little bit of a separation. We're trying
to kind of break open some really nice moments and openings between these rooms uh so that they feel kind of connected and and and intentional. Um and then we're proposing the two-car garage um in the in the corner here. Uh and then in order to connect that garage back to the
house in a kind of clean and seamless way, we introduced a breezeway uh that runs along the rear of the property. And so together with the breezeway, the garage and the existing um uh part of the house over here, it forms a kind of courtyard. And we thought it created a really great moment to have a nice
garden that's in that kind of um al cove. Um so that's kind of what we're proposing over here. And then in front of um the family room, which was formerly the garage, we're proposing a kind of patio that opens out from the family room and also connects back to the kitchen. Um which we think would be
really just kind of nice space and turning what's you know now into a kind of like driveway space into like a really just kind of beautiful patio area. Um and that would be like a a blue stone kind of random rectangular um patio. Um, and I think one other just component
of this is the the existing um, powder room is is underneath the staircase that leads to the second floor. It's really really tight. And so we were trying to just give a more generous amount of space to that powder room and also make uh it easier to uh have a kind of clean circulation to the basement. And so we're basically
removing the powder room and putting a new staircase to the basement underneath the staircase that leads to the second floor. Um on on the second floor, um we're taking making some changes to the to the layout internally here just to optimize bathrooms to make them a little more on
suite with the bedrooms and uh give a a kind of uh equal distribution of bedrooms so that uh siblings are feel like they each have an equal bedroom uh and um just create a nice little kind of uh corner of the house here for the for the kids. Um, and then at the top of the
staircase, we're changing the location of the door into the um, primary bedroom suite so that we have a really nice bed wall that's centered on the fireplace. Um, and then we're basically converting a room right now that's it's so small that you it's really hard to consider it a bedroom, but uh, we're kind of converting that into a nice vestibule at
the entrance to the bedroom. Uh, which allows us to extend this wall. Um, and which gives like kind of nice entry kind of um, arrival into the to the bedroom. Um, and then we're we're opening up the closets here. um so that we get really nice views of the backyard. Um and and and and converting the existing bathroom
here into closets. And then the attic of the garage we're converting into um a really nice bathroom. And the tub here is kind of centered on a dormer that looks over the um top of the garage. Um so this elevation, just for
clarity, this is the um in your packet. This was the one that was just slightly updated from uh the submission. It wasn't it's not really updated in design so much as we added some additional shutters um because when we did the rendering we we just found that it was looking better to match the shutters that were on the front of the house in the kind of single windows and so we
tried to to to do that and thought it was kind of looking looking better that way. Um we're also responsive to one of Barton's comments. He had asked us to maintain this chimney here. Um and so we were proposing to do that. There's there's takes it takes a little bit of gymnastics to maintain that chimney. um
for clarity. Um it's just be it's just because the um I'm going to just show one of the photos of the existing. It's a photo three here. You can kind of see the existing chimney. It's the reason why we think that that may have been the chimney may have been original and the addition was kind of
built around it is the the shingles kind of butt up it against it in a slightly unusual way. there's no real kind of it's not really proud of the facade. Um it almost looks like the facade was like built around it. Um at any rate, we were initially proposing to remove it, but Barton thought it was of kind of historical significance and so we were
happy to uh try and keep it. It's going to require a little bit of structural work within the house to maintain it. Um because like we it just the location isn't like great on the interior for a chimney, but we think we could basically support it from the second floor and still have the appearance on the second
on the exterior maintained while the interior can still have a a uh the kitchen there. The the range is basically proposed roughly where the chimney is. Um but we think we can basically support it internally so that we don't need to remove it. Zach, do we have a copy of that
particular photograph? Yeah, this should have been part of the original submission, I believe. Photo three. Got it. Uh, I think that might be it. That's on the other side of the house. I think that's number three.
Yep. Um, here we go. Yeah. Okay. So, just to kind of um look at the this kind of rear facade, and it's almost it's almost a little bit easier to see in the rendering, but um I'll just kind of walk through it for a second. This is the existing structure
of the existing back of the house. It has this kind of step back uh kind of shed roof here and then a gable, a kind of smaller gable at the top. Um, and so as we were adding to this structure, we kind of knew basically where this needed to be relative to the setback from the sideyard. It was kind of set by that.
Um, and then it just needed to be a certain depth. And that depth happened to be quite similar to the to the overall width of the kind of what we're proposing as the kitchen on this side. And then when we kind of came up to do the uh bathroom for the primary, we we didn't need that full 24 feet of of
width. And so we thought it was a nice moment to almost create a kind of um you know not exact but a kind of mirror of of this structure that exists with the proposed structure so that it really feels like connected and tied in. Um and then we're proposing just look at the
rendering for a second within the rendering. Um we're proposing basically like a standing seam metal roof on this kind of lower roof here which we thought kind of like accented the kind of courtyard that we're creating. and also created um just like a kind of nice uh material
differentiation here um for this uh kind of small courtyard garden area in the center here. Um and then we're we're taking what are currently the garage doors and creating a nice series of um French doors uh over on the side here that open from the family room. And um one of the other
things that we adjusted after rendering it is we just thought it needed a little bit more um articulation, architectural articulation in that spot. And so we added a small pergola uh that extends, you know, 2 feet or so um over this door just to give it a little more of an accent so that it really feels uh intentional.
Um and then just to look at the view, this is the view looking towards the garage. Um and so we're proposing a carriage style door. um that would it's simulated carousel. It would it would have some seams horizontally that you know aren't super easy to see but uh which would allow it to fold up. And
we're proposing a large uh single door uh for for two cars. And the reason for doing that is we're a little bit tight on that pull- in area uh into the garage. We have 28 ft. So it's it's good, but you know with a large car can be a little tight. And so we just thought it would be a little bit easier and functional um to do a really nice
door, but just do a single one so that you don't have like that kind of center post to to navigate when you're pulling in. Um you can see the dormer here. This is the dormer that the um freestanding tub in the primary bath sits within. Um and that's centered on the garage below.
And then there's a side entry door to the to the garage. You'd walk through there and eventually get to the breezeway which leads into the into the kind of heart of the house. Um on this side you can see this is that chimney that we're proposing to to keep. um you know as requested by
Barton and um we we one of the things we noted is um this is proposed to be a bedroom and so we wanted it to have a legal window um and so we're just changing this window so that um we have a legal egress window. similar like size and shape to the existing.
Um yeah, and just just to kind of um just emphasize the point, um the front of the facade of the facade of the house that you'd see from the street, we're really not changing that in any way. Um, so that that's really
being maintained and a lot of this work is is intentionally kind of tucked behind the house so that we can, you know, not alter the historic facade of the of the house. So yeah, I think in summary, this will give the family a usable garage, an improved interior layout. um a house
updated for for current living while also preserving uh the historic character of the home. Um and we're asking for your approval based on our drawings and test testimony. Thank you. Thank you. Um again, as you know, Barton's not here this evening. Um my
questions to you, you've read his report and his recommendations. Um do you have any concerns or you think you can follow? You certainly have with the chimney. Um again we we will need construction
documents submitted right to historic preservation and um I think that was it. Yeah. Uh and just one note about that. I just want to clarify Barton's comment. I I don't think um I think we're on the same page but I just want to clarify it. Um he had said
um that um in the first floor kitchen a similar chimney back can be used behind the new stove range as a decorative feature and supported above. This way the exterior appearance will remain the same. He's referring to the chimney that we were talking about. I think we could probably maintain that appearance on the
exterior of the chimney and physically maintain it without the need to have any exposed brick on the inside of the house. So I don't think he was suggesting that we needed to have brick. I think he was maybe offering it as like a you you you might do this if it if it's helpful. But anyway, I don't think we're proposing brick on the interior, just the exterior. No. And and again, I
think that was a helpful design feature or certainly another avenue to support the chimney. So, we won't hold you to that. Okay. So, great. I appreciate that. Great. Um other than that, yeah, of course. Yeah, we we typically hold on doing construction documents just because we want to get your feedback before we go into detail. Well, thank
you. Um I'd like to take this time. Anybody any questions or comments for this applicant? From the rendering the chimney looks the new chimney looks different. I don't know. Is it the rendering? It would be just a rendering if it looks different.
It would be the same chimney height and everything. Yeah. Yeah. We won't. We're trying to leave the existing chimney as is. Oh, this is it's not new. It's um it's it's existing.
There's two. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, I think there's there's a few chimneys in the house. Yeah, we're not proposing new ones. They're all just existing. Go ahead. Okay. Um, this is stunning house.
Thank you. Stunning. Yeah, we agree. Trying to keep it. I was like, can I move in? Just kidding. Um, I just had a quick question. Um, because we got into this on another historic house. Some of the the chimneys are painted and then you have the exposed brick on this one.
Are you intend you're intending to keep it that way? Is it because that's how it was historically or? Yeah, we're just we were planning to just Okay. Yeah, I was just curious on that. And um the only thing I wanted to ask you
about was the the there's a small um I guess one two three four five over five window. I'm assuming maybe that's on the staircase landing. Yeah, perhaps. We wanted to bring light in there. Yeah, it's not ideal, but um uh we were just trying to maintain an a window there
while still, you know, the staircase is in the way. I mean, that was I mean I think that was like I mean this is like nitpicking. I mean just because it that little element of I mean I'm not a big fan of rounded windows myself, but just like something feels I guess missing that historic
element of the original house where there was a little bit of variation between the window shapes. Um, so this has more of a farmhouse look. Um, but that's just being nitpicky. I mean, the house overall to me is fabulous and like just amazing. I love the little garden.
Thank you. It's really nice. A quick comment. Um, yeah, I'll reiterate what Christine said. Beautiful house, stunning house, and what you guys are doing to it. It's not changing the facade. We definitely appreciate that. It's all behind the front, so you won't even notice it from the road. I just
have a question about the driveway, the existing driveway that goes around the back to the the garage. What is happening to that? Cuz I know you're adding Is it just going to be stopped where the curvature of the front driveway is, and that's going to be solded over? Yes. Okay. Okay. I just
wasn't clear on that. Uh that's a better picture. Sorry, I should have filmed that. I I probably have it in here somewhere. I just didn't notice it. But thanks. That's nothing else for me. I'll continue on with the uh front uh
landscaping plan. It looks like you're going to have to remove three trees to put in the driveway on the left side of the property. Am I estimating that correctly? Uh there's a small tree at the back. Um let me look at the existing. I'm looking at what you have to remove to get their driveway in. On
the left side, there's a 12 in and a 16 18 in and a 16in tree by the house. And I know there's no way around it. So, yeah, you have to remove those to put the driveway there. It makes sense to move the driveway to the left side to uh
put your garage on the left side. But is that right? It's just three trees. Uh to be to be honest, I don't have a our proposed is covering up the original survey and I apologize don't have it handy this second. Um but that may be the case.
Um are you going to be planting trees to replace on the left side? I don't know what the uh border looks like with the uh with the neighbor, but obviously you have a driveway on the right side. and now be on the left side. You're going to do anything to increase uh you
know the trees that you removed. Um I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be willing to do that. Yeah. Okay. Be happy. Maybe we can have that as a condition. Yeah. All right. That's great. Um other thing on the front of the house, you are removing the door um off of the existing garage. You're
right. That's a good point. No, I apologies for not mentioning that. Yeah. So, um the uh there yeah there is a door which leads um it's actually kind of interesting. Uh the sorry I mean I see you're replacing it with
you know similar uh window similar stone. That's fine. It's so yeah the it's actually interesting that the existing garage the only way to get from the garage into the house is you have to go through a door that exists right here uh through the dining room to get in. Uh and so in this case, we would basically
be copying uh the uh uh existing windows that are already there uh to infill it and uh we just uh do our best to to infill the stone properly. And you don't want to keep the door. Um we weren't proposing to. It's like a family room. I guess it's a family room. So it's like
maybe it feels a little like um like security kind of. And and I guess the other question I had is how deep is that um room going to be underneath your existing garage? because you're going to have to excavate quite a bit to establish that. Yeah. Yeah. So, um
that's what we're planning to do. Uh I mean, admittedly, there's there's a possibility that if for some reason it ends up being extraordinarily difficult to excavate underneath there that we might excavate under the proposed garage, new garage. Um okay. They would all be kind of in the basement. So,
yeah, just thinking about that side of the property and trying to put something underneath it, I get nervous about excavation underneath that. So, I was just a little concerned. I think the piece of it that would make it a little easier that I was thinking is just that there already is a two garage doors
there. So, it's quite open uh on that on that side getting an excavator. Yeah. But right now there's there's no foundation. It's just on slab, right? You have to Yeah, we'll have to dig down and underpin. Yeah. And that's going to be 8 ft 10 ft something, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's going to match.
There's probably an existing subbase or sub basement underneath there right now, right? Uh no, I don't Not there, but I mean underneath the main house. Yeah. So, there's a basement that's adjacent to it. Yeah. So, you're going to match that depth? Yeah. So, we won't be um uh we won't be undermining uh we may
underpin slightly the existing basement, but we're not going to do much there just because it's already there's already a basement adjacent. Okay. Um All right. Those are my questions. Thank you. Sure. Anyone else questions, comments? Um I'd like to make a comment. I've received
calls to tear down this house and I just want to thank you very much for seeing what we see in this house and how it could work and be preserved and still be a part of our neighborhood. And I think
this is incredible what you've done. Um, I know it takes sometimes a little longer to think about how you're going to place everything, but uh, even though we don't have a lot to do with the floor plan, I think you've done an incredible job with this house. Uh, so again, thank
you and welcome back to the neighborhood. So, if we can, um, do I hear a motion to approve with the following Oh, I'm sorry, the public. Is there anyone in the public who'd like to speak on behalf of this
application? Open. Well, Adrien, can you come up? We'd like to hear from you, too. So, please. And unfortunately, we are going to have to swear you in. So, okay. Would you raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. And your name and address? Adrien Topping, 15 East Lane. I'm your next door neighbor. Um, I'm also so very happy you're not tearing that house down. It's absolutely beautiful. Um, we know we live in the least historic house
in the neighborhood, so we're so happy you're keeping yours. Um, I would love to just see the plans of what you're going to do. I also have a card with my number on it, and if you need anything, you are welcome to call. Um, and welcome to the neighborhood. I just really wanted to come and see what it is you're
doing to the place. I have no objections to anything whatsoever. Um, and welcome. Thanks. Thank you. I have a question for you. Are you on the right or the left? As you're facing the house, I'm on the left. On the left. Yes. So, the driveway will come up on my side. Yes. Great. No
problem with any of that. Okay. Thank you. Excellent. Okay. So, with that said, uh do I hear a motion to approve this application with the conditions that Barton has labeled uh keeping the
chimney. Um we're going to eliminate the fact that uh the interior part of that. um also that uh you'll be submitting um plans correct to the building
department and if we could make sure that we get a a copy of those of course um and yes the landscaping maybe we can say um for any trees that we remove we'll
replace in the yard if that's satisfactory with everyone. We can all agree with that. Perfect. Um, okay. Then do I hear a motion to approve this application with the
conditions listed? Motion to approve as represented by commissioner. A second. Second. Sarah. Zachary Davis. Yes. Robert Franle. Yes. Brad Jenkins. Yes. Justin Sin. Yes.
Christine Best, yes. Venitates Chak Lavvada, yes. Allison Campfield, yes. Thank you. Congratulations. Congratulations. Yes. Great. Well, we have um something very exciting
here. Um, this is a great moment for all of us. Um, before I present the nomination for the Paper Mill Playhouse, the Taylor Park, and the Milbourne Town Hall. I
just want to thank all of you for your support and help and making this happen. Um, for me it's it's a moving us forward uh respected as a municipal land use
board and we're being heard um you know by the township committee and the other boards. Uh so I want to you know take this moment to thank all of you if Barton were here. He plays also a very
big role in this um and he has gone above and beyond his duty uh as we move forward with designations or supporting the township in some of our historic buildings that were on the element of
the master plan. So uh with that said uh we have Paper Mill Playhouse at 22 Brookside Drive. This is an individual landmark. Um, do I hear a motion to approve a
nomination on the Paper Mill Playhouse? Motion to approve. Do I hear a second? Second. Thank you. Um, next would be next would be Taylor Park, uh, the
Taylor Park Community Center and that's 100 Main Street. It is also an individual landmark. Um, so do I hear a motion to approve the nomination? I have some corrections that I'll send to Barton, please. All
right. Yes, sure. Motion to approve. Thank you. Second. Second. Thank you. Um, our third is uh Milbourne Town Hall at 375 Milbourne Avenue. Again, another individual landmark. Do I
hear a motion to approve a nomination? A motion to approve. Do I hear a second? Second. Awesome. Okay. Um Sarah, can you Zachary Davis? Yes. Robert Frankle,
yes. Brad Jenkins, yes. Justin Salin, yes. Christine Best, yes. Venitesh Chhat Lavvada, yes. Allison Campfield, yes.