I'd like to call this meeting to order. I will start with the open public meeting statement. In accordance with section five of the opening open meetings act chapter 231 public laws 1975 be advised that notice of this meeting was made by posting on the
bulletin board town hall and serving the officially designated newspapers. A notice stating that this meeting would take place at the board of education building at 4:34 Milbourne Avenue in Milbourne, New Jersey at 7:30 p.m. on February 12,
2026. Allison Hamfield here. >> Zachary Davis >> here. >> Robert Franle. >> Brad Jenkins. >> Perfect timing. Brad Jenkins. >> Gary Rosen.
>> Justin Sin. Elizabeth Wena >> here. >> Christine Best >> here. >> Ray Kalano >> here. >> Thank you. Next, we'll move to announcements. Do any of the commissioners or council have
announcements for tonight? Hearing none, we'll move on to meeting minutes. The minutes of the November 6th and December 4th, 2025 meetings have been distributed to the commissioners. Are there any additions or corrections?
Do I hear a motion to approve? >> Motion to approve. >> Thank you. Second. >> Great. Thank you. All in favor say I. >> I. Those opposed. Minutes have been approved.
Now we'll move on to memorializations. We have four. First we have application number 62731 Northern Drive. It's a contributing property in the tool district. I'll read them all. Application number 620 626 a
Chestnut Place the contributing property in Short Hills. Application number 62843 Cedar Street is a contributing property in the Wyoming district. And then the application for the Woodville Short Hills State historic designation. Do I
hear I should do this separately? >> Oh, okay. So, let's start with the first one. Number 627. Do I hear a motion to approve? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Second. >> Application number 626. Do I hear a motion to approve?
>> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Second. >> Excuse me, Madam Chair. Please like to take a role because uh s some commissioners recused. That's Rob. He's not here. Some were absent. So there's some that are ineligible to vote. Okay. Certain >> ones. So would you let us know? Yeah,
I'll call out uh everyone who's eligible based on their attendance on the >> Okay. So, you want to do that >> now? So, >> are we still referring to 31 Northern? >> Yeah, we can we can back up to 31 Northern. Yes.
>> Thank you. >> So, who would be >> $3 million motion to approve? >> I was there. Yeah. >> Okay. >> And I was >> I was here.
>> Oh, no. No. I wasn't here. >> So, >> he wasn't here for either one. >> So, there were just two of us then because you were not here >> for the January. >> No, the beginning of the month. >> November. >> Oh, the beginning of the month. I
>> Oh, January. I wasn't here. The only absences I have on January 8th is Allison and Brett. >> Okay. >> So, everyone else. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, we go on. >> Zachary Davis. >> Yes.
>> Gary Ros. >> Elizabeth Wangga. >> Yes. >> Christine Bess. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Application number 626. A chestnut, please. Uh we redid the
>> okay >> to just on 626. >> Okay. For that one uh with absences on 12 and four it leaves Gary Rosen, Justin Sale, and Christine Best eligible to vote.
But Christine Best moved in second and Gary is enough. Is that correct? >> We only need one appro one person to approve. Well, she she said she voted no. >> I voted no on that application. I was the only person who voted no on that application.
>> Oh, okay. Well, then that's going to have to be >> I had you voted no on cedar. >> Oh, no. I'm sorry. I my I apologize. I meant to say cedar. Correct. You're 100% correct. Eight chestnut was approved. 43 cedar. I had voted no on. I'm sorry. I I'm a little um incorrect.
>> No worries. No worries. >> Okay. So application number 62843 Cedar. Do I hear a motion to approve? >> Motion approve. >> Second.
>> Second. >> You were absent that. >> Oh, weren't you absent? >> Just Allison and Brad were absent, right? >> Oh, sorry. Okay. >> But I was present for 66. Yeah. So I >> Yeah, but for the prior HSN, I can approve that. Right. I was here for
that. >> So I resend my second. Somebody else. >> I can second the 626. >> Apologies. >> Zachary Davis. >> Yes. >> Robert Franco.
>> Elizabeth Winga. >> Yes. >> Ray K. >> Yes. That was a test. >> Yes. >> And me. Yes. >> So we're going to jump back to 628. You you want to read the role first or
>> you guys know now. >> Motion to approve. >> I see a second here. Elizabeth, you're here for Cedar. >> You were here for Cedar. You want to second that? >> Okay.
>> Oh my gosh. We're not getting off to a good start. >> A very cold month and a half. I have no idea. >> Yes. >> Zachary Davis. >> Yes. >> Elizabeth Wanga. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Thank you. So number four, application for Wood Woodville Short Hills Estate Historic District. Do I have a motion to approve? >> Motion to approve. >> Thank you. Second. Second. >> Thank you.
>> Allison Canfield. >> Yes. >> Zachary Davis. >> I was not present >> for the special meeting. >> I was not present. Special meeting. Yes. Sorry, Kenna. >> Yes. >> Christine Best. >> Yes. >> Kai.
>> Yes. So, you're here. I was here. I think so. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Okay. We promise from now on it'll go smooth. >> We had November. No, wait a minute. We
have January. We had two meetings in January. So, that was the confusion. So, we apologize, guys. Um, >> so we're going to move on to old business or unfinished business we call it. And first up is application number
622 17 road block 3104 lot number 14 is a contributing property in the hills park historic district >> mine wasn't updated >> the updated file
>> yeah there were revisions okay so now additional revisions Do you have >> I do. So, >> we're so sorry. We need to push you back one. >> Okay. >> Okay. It was the Taylor's Park Pathway
Light Project. >> Yeah. >> It's the memorialization. >> Was that January? >> That was >> So, do I hear a motion to approve? Who was here? >> I didn't really
>> We I thought it was a >> You're approving the the recommendations and comments that were made that were outlined in the memo to the TC. It's not approving the project. You're approving >> Oh, okay. Comments to it. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. >> Approval of our
Yes. Motion to >> Second. >> Perfect. Zachary Davis, >> yes. >> Elizabeth Wena, >> yes. >> Christine Best, >> yes. >> Ray Pan, >> yes. >> Great. Thank you. Thank you for catching
that. Um, now, >> yes. >> Can you read it again or you just want to come on up? >> Come on up. >> And I'm not sure. Uh, do they need to be sworn in again?
>> Yeah, just in case. Okay. So, if we can have the applicant and the architect in that'd be great. >> Okay. So, um if you could just state your full name, spell your last name for the record.
>> My name is Rajesh Kumar Sharma. Last name F R M. K U N A I I sir >> Thomas Singer S A N H. >> Okay. I'm going to swear you in all at
the same time. Do you all uh swear or affirm that the testimony you will provide this evening will be true and accurate to the best of your knowledge? >> Yes, sure. >> Um and Mr. Singer, um what is your relate? Can you just give the board the benefit of your
background, education, and your relationship to this application? undergraduate and graduate degree master's degree from architecture licensed architects since
1985 and they licensed in the state of New Jersey. >> Yes. Okay, architect please proceed. >> So we had some very positive construction
uh conversations with Clark and um put some steam back and forth and and arrived at this one. Uh,
it eliminated the portico with a heavy top of it. It also eliminated the stone and um the height got a little higher.
The the overall height of the building increased by five feet. the uh center portion increased by five clean service. No, no.
Um stone's gone. The roof is a lining. Um the changes mostly were doing the uh yesterday and by raising all this
foot n it created a lot of additional floor area because the ceiling height went over Elizabeth changes >> are there would anyone else like to make any comments?
>> Yeah. So I'm so like we went with Barton like couple of time discuss and based on recommendation everything he's okay. producer suggested to work with him. So we worked with him. So in the last email
like the only concern I think he s was the colors and he said he choose the house color as per the neighborhood but we suggested in some neighborhood color of our neighbor house we are going with the same color.
Would you like to say? >> Yes. >> So last time the objection was on the front where we have the stone and that was the major objection and some something on the portico as well. So we removed it completely and the increasing
a little bit height in the middle will give enough space for us to have two proper bedroom for kids and bathroom for them. So that is very crucial. So this time nothing is on the aesthetics but we are going more to the functionality
which can data on family and that's what it is in front of you. >> Thank you. >> That's great. Um, since Matt's not here, um, everybody I the recommendations that Barton made,
did everybody >> get a copy of that? >> Got the original recommendation. >> I don't know if I saw their file. >> Was it in the email? >> I missed it. >> Why don't I just go ahead and just read
it to you guys? So the recommendations were uh no wood grain uh fiber net sighting is allowed uh in the historic district. So only smooth sighting. So and they agreed to do that. >> Um
the question I think he had are the window muttons uh are they simulated or true divided light? So that means >> they'll be simulated by >> simulated. Okay. which means that they're not separate PES. They have
matrix, >> right? And so that's what this Anderson 400 Okay, which >> you said was acceptable. >> Yeah. Um also uh because of the scope of the work
architectural construction documents must be submitted uh time of for the building permit but also that we wanted um a PDF of those too. >> Okay. >> And then paint color like you mentioned
uh he had mentioned that to select a color scheme that are uh compatible with the surrounding. >> Yeah. >> Right. So we went for kind of off-white which is most of the houses. >> Yeah. Like one minist >> all the four houses around us
>> same color. So we are going with the same color. >> Okay. >> Yeah. That is the color >> that's compatible. >> Yeah. >> So now I'm just going to see if the commissioners have any questions or
comments. I >> lieutenant has we have the original >> there points that we had that we wanted them to address that in the record maybe >> picture >> I forget off the top of my head I know >> I remember some of them
>> the stone >> stone was the stone and the overall heaviness the ballastry >> were you know um were I guess concerning um I think there were any comments on the well the styling of the garage door I think there was also
I don't think it was clarified whether the front is the back is the front. I think there was a whole talking about >> you guys were going to look into that. >> I tried and the committee asked me to look for something which does not exist. So the history does not exist.
>> I tried my best. I went everywhere where I could try to get the help but unfortunately we could not. So for now the door wherever it is we will go with that. that that is >> well >> in reality it can never be because the
way it is but as you said that that's the rule to that >> that's the state municipality has some definition of water >> yeah it's the area between the street nearest part >> and I
don't feel like would be a great idea to try that change that >> no um and I will confirm that I als also did research and there is no set research on how that building >> so we can address it as the front is
proposing I just wanted to make sure that >> unfortunately we don't have >> no I I drove by a house and I I totally can understand like I can't see the front I kept trying like maybe I'll sneak through this person's backyard and try to find it
>> so do we have any other comments or >> I answer >> and garage door also. So there was a question on merging two door into one and I asked for that because it's just
not comfortable for me to park car inside and I said that I want to get at least merge into one >> and there was a question on art I think it was you who said that the art looks good and I'm like okay I can go for a
draw which has the art. So that form I proposed in the designs that the glass door has the art to do that. I mean just for from the >> Yeah. But it doesn't show it on here, right? >> It should
in the picture. >> The way the windows are >> Oh, I I see it. The >> we went with the B like we asked Barton and as for her his recommendation we selected the artist aesthetic >> the house is falling. So we just try to
incorporate all the advices from the board and Barton to make sure that this time is our lucky >> well thank you anybody >> sure um I this is a great like looks great
and it's I I'm I'm tongue twisted today because I can't say how much work you clearly worked on this and it's really such a massive um departure and thank you for doing that. Um, so I just had a just a couple of quick questions. Um,
the I mean is the front door the front door is off center with the portico? So I that's okay. Um, and then the the um the doors down to the basement, you know, the um staircase down to the basement that's existing right now.
>> Yeah, that's there. And that's just next to the entrance. The entrance is here and that door is here. >> Yeah. No, I see it existing one, you know. putting >> there's an existing curve stair inside the house that >> would be a shame to have that move. >> I understand. I just was
>> and that's that's where also set the front door >> and um and then the staircase going down from the garage the second floor of the garage that's it appears to be front facing. Um is that does that exist in
the original? Um and is there >> existing Okay. Would you be open to putting some a more supportive column that looks, >> you know, >> versus just a I just was wondering. I don't know if that's required. I just think that you
have all these nice columns. We just It looks a little >> We can put two more, one in left side and one in the right side to make it a little more >> It's like anyway like it's falling apart. So, we will do something and that's a great suggestion to do it, you know. And then I just took two other
questions. Um the the window the the panes, are they going to be black or are they white? They're white. Okay. And then um and then the door, what is the material on the garage door? >> I think it's the one >> fiberglass.
>> So is it is it a is it a printed like faux wood grain on fiberglass? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I don't I don't know. Is that something? Again, it's not >> like a >> It's not trying to look like a >> It's
>> Yeah. No, I'm talking about I guess it's not facing Thor. So, >> vertical raised >> articulation. Okay. >> I don't think it's textured, right? It look it has the look of wood, but it's not. >> Okay. That's what I was trying to
understand. That was That's it. It looks beautiful. >> Thank you so much. There was a discussion last time about the fence at the front of the property. So what what's the status? Um, okay.
Last time we discussed what it was they were looking for that's in terms of keeping the family safe um animal or
but I've been looking at it since then and the nature of the street is their neighbor zones. They their driveway goes to Stewart. Across the street, directly
from the entrance of the building, their driveway goes to Stewart. The house next to him goes to Highland. And the two other houses across the street on the >> mini on the right side of the house. They're
pretty far away. So when you come down to this, this is a pretty dark um section of street without much oversight. And their house is you definitely can't see that. So, aside
from the street being somewhat dangerous by virtue of not having a lot of light, it creates a path right into the middle of the block that sort of exposes the back of all the
houses on on the block to anybody who might want to approach that way. So it it it does more than just protect this house. It protects the whole block everything.
>> So there the fence is still there. >> Yes, I mean that's going to need a variance. I would assume >> no need a varian doesn't allow fences right up front. So >> was there any discussion or thought about you know setting it back not right
up front. um you know I don't know do that if that is what you're trying to do >> um >> I mean we will go with the suggestion whatever the comment because if we will go in the back that way to feed the product then it will stick in the middle of the grass area and we will lose the
entire yard. No, I was just saying you have a long driveway. I don't if you set it back 10 15 feet or something, but um you know, >> it's something you're gonna have to take up with zoning. >> And do you have specs on the fence? I
know there was something in here's >> And we are going with the our >> But that's because I saw this and you've got it looks like is that fencing or is it a wall here? Something coming up here. >> Let me help you with that.
>> Like what's what's going on here? What is that? That's just the wall. >> No, this is a fence. >> Yeah, this is the neighbor's lock. Neighbor's lock. >> But it is. What is this? >> That is that is all those >> This is a retaining wall.
>> I think that's a retaining wall. >> So the inside of the car you got to retain, >> right? >> There's a 5ft drop on the side. Yeah, >> this is called mini sing because it's like a single single.
>> So the neighbor over here actually built >> continue off of that. >> But that but that uh essentially is what it's going to look like a front the metal. >> This is the neighbor fence. So we just going with the neighbor fence design you know two of our neighbor has this one is
like uh the the same with like you know the the korahan carriage house has this >> one is some red family like between one mini sink and that house there is another house >> one that house has the same
>> this these are green jacks >> yeah these are probably >> oh those are exist 15. Yeah. No, it's very high. >> Yeah, there's a lot of it. >> And we're going behind that. >> Okay. >> And there's another. >> So, it is offset.
>> It's not on the road. >> And behind the green giant we are going so that the fence will not be visible at all. >> Right. >> That that should help. >> It will be 3 4t from the road. So, it will already be inside >> and one side already like fence comes up
to front in the one mini sink road. So we don't have to construct any of that. How would we style? We could we can't approve where it sits. That's not our >> I I think we
>> or we just don't we just approve as approve as is. >> Okay. So technically we'd be approving the style of what it is. Okay. >> Right. >> I got it. >> Good. >> Okay. >> I I are you >> Yeah. Good. Um just the uh the stonework
that's on the chimneys. Um I know that's in the the tear sheet. What's on the chimneys currently? Are >> they suggestion that this will look much beautiful? >> Um or at least middle.
>> Yeah, I don't have because it's it's the shim. I don't have as much of an issue with it and I kind of forget what the exist is it just like bear brick is >> yeah bear flashing proper flashing >> yeah on top >> yeah okay
>> I mean I have no problem if it won't break we can go with that >> we don't work on all it should mean the threat is But >> I think this is what we're on whole front of the house. >> I mean, I have to see the stone like a
better image of the stone because it looks like to me that looks like more veneered stone sort of dy match kind of I guess to your point versus the blue stone style. So it's hard for me to say >> it's not realistic.
>> I'd like to see copper lashing on it though. Be more historically. Yes, I am. >> Yeah, I know. >> I know. I just I just replaced my my >> the original structure was built like 1800s, right? And then in the 40s it was
added on. No no first time. So and then after that they went through 1984. >> Oh my god. >> Okay. >> The steward side of the block was all
1950s. So was the the Highland but there were two houses that were >> 19 preWorld War. Okay. Any other comments or questions? >> My question was also on the fence uh
because we cannot approve it out on the street. So it it will have to go for a variant. >> Um and we probably can't support it. >> We don't have whatever they will say we will go. >> It's just the aesthetics that if you can
prove >> Yes. And we can certainly the fence portion of it. Yeah. >> Um the original their original plan. >> So with that said, uh is there anyone in
the open public meeting here for this application? Okay. Um so I'd like to say do I hear a motion to approve? I think the the question is brick or
stone is my question >> and shutters. I can't remember shutters. >> No, that I don't think was >> there were no shutters on the house. >> Okay. >> And I think the columns, is that correct? We all agreed with uh Christine's recommendation. The columns
>> on the staircase on the side of the garage, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> One column. One column. So I think the question is >> no two column because if one goes this side then the other needs to go this side to make it symmetrical >> that's one
>> so I'm just going to go does it matter to anyone more or less brick they're saying that they were open to that >> actually B suggested that a stone will look better even he so that was his
suggestion we went but whatever you like we That will be important for us >> because >> the only help it will do is that if we get the approval for the road so that stone and this stone will tie the entire structure together and that's the reason
we update for that that thing >> al so the retaining wall between the neighbor and then large block >> yeah and that has to go >> and the retaining wall correct >> and the other thing is like there's one chimney close to our house of like one
mini sink road which is a stone they build a pool house and they have a chimney in the pool house >> next to our house in one minute think that is a stone >> to be honest I did not try to tie it with that it's just that the house front if we get the approval for gate and the
column is going to have a stone there so I just thought that if you keep the same on the chimney it will just tie the entire structure and that's why and I'm sure probably thought the same so So with that, do I hear a motion to
approve with the columns and the stone on the fireplace? >> Yeah. >> The only change is the column. >> Yeah, just >> perfect. So do I hear a motion to approve with the condition
>> and a motion to approve? >> Second. >> Second. >> Did you I'm sorry. Before we take the vote, did you watch the original hearing? >> No. >> Okay. So can't vote on this one. >> Okay. Second. Okay. Perfect. >> Sarah
Allison Campfield. >> Yes. >> Zachary Davis. >> Yes. >> Brad Jenkins. >> Yes. >> Elizabeth Winga. >> No. >> Kristen Best. >> Yes. >> Good. >> Approved. >> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you for this. It looks nice. >> Thank you guys for taking the feedback on it. We really appreciate that. >> Thank you for your garden when I drive by.
>> You come like, you know, in >> you can come like my house during the summer. >> My garden and flowers are >> the best in that area. You can get flowers, fruit, vegetables. >> Oh, great. Good luck to you. Thank you
so much. Have a good one. >> So, next application is number 624 Highland Avenue, lot number 30003, lot number eight. It's a distributing property in the short hills park district.
And if we can have Oh, this is a regulatory application to remove and replace slate roof on the main portion of the house. add three dormers to the front of the roof and a brow group over garage door. other
associated exterior site >> we have because it last >> it was some from a while back >> do you remember the date >> I was last month but then when you had it postponed >> right >> and and just to confirm you haven't
presented at all right okay so for the record we did review the notices and everything is in order um I know there was an issue with one Um but that was that neighbor was reserved. So um notice has been completed properly and the
commission has jurisdiction to hear the application. >> Go ahead. Well, so we need you to sworn in and if you're someone else is going to Yeah. >> Perfect. >> Okay. And can you both state your names
for the record spelling your last name please? >> Ralph Blaze. I N G L E S E >> Okay. And do you both swear or affirm that the testimony you'll provide this evening will be true and accurate to the best of your knowledge?
>> I do. >> Please proceed. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um well, first of all, thank you for considering our application. Uh my wife Lauren and I are the homeowners and I just want to give you a little background of what kind of got us here
tonight. Uh we purchased this home about 30 years ago and uh we were fortunate to only be the second owner. So the original owners lived in the house almost 60 years. Um and shortly after we purchased it, we came before this
commission. We did some exterior renovations and updating which affected the two wings of the house, but we purposely left the center section alone pretty much. U and one of the features in the center is the slate roof, which
at the time that we bought the house and did the original renovations, it was about 60 years old. Now 30 years has passed. Now it's about 90 years old and it's showing signs of deterioration and we've had two roofers look at it and
they both recommended replacement of that section. So the two wings the slate there is no 30 years old. So that's fine. So the new slate will match the existing slate which matches the original slate. So it's all going to
look the same. But one of the things um when we did the original renovations, we didn't really think it was worthwhile to consider the dormers because the roof was sound and we didn't really want to rip off a slate roof that we didn't have
to. So we we left that. Um but now the time has come. We're approaching redoing the roof. And the dormers we just think is a strong uh aesthetic appeal. We've seen our neighbors do it and we think it especially on this house because of the
stone facade and the slate roof the center section of the house to me looks very kind of heavy and and a little bulky. So feel like adding the dormers will provide some elevation, some contrast and uh it's you know primarily
for aesthetic. It's going into an unfinished attic. So it's really the exterior u look that we're going for. The other part of the application is for the roof, small roof that would go over the garage doors. And if you look at the
photos that were included, um I think on the architect, you know, architect um drawings, there's a uh three garage doors and it's a twotory facade there on the side. And as part of the original addition, we did
put a side entry and there's a roof overhang, but just kind of sticks out by itself. And to me, it kind of looks like having the brow roof kind of breaks up the facade and ties into the existing roof uh overhang a little bit better. So, it provides real coverage for our
apron. We're going to have some down lighting instead of the outward lighting. And um so we think that it and our our neighbors on the other side actually have that and we kind of want to steal their idea and add to our house. So it's really those two elements
that were >> that's it. >> Perfect. Thank you. So again, because Matt um isn't here, I am probably going to have to read again what Barton and
Matt's recommendations here. Uh the HPC requires the site group specifications as well as the window manufacturer specification for the dormer windows in order to approve. So I think do we So that's in
the packet. >> We submitted um the hair sheet for it. So they're they're Pella true divider light windows that match the ones that we put in from the original renovation. >> Okay. >> Double home.
>> And you just said the slate was going to be the exact slate that Yes. Um the other thing was is it fon that is that a needs to be filled painted since it is a composite. Do you know where
that's going? >> Um they may have specked a composite trim. I'm not sure. Um I don't know. >> Yeah, it was hard kind of to read. It look like it was that little roof. >> Not the roof of the garage.
>> The the roof over the garage were um you spec a a standing >> popper. Um >> I think that >> Yes. The brackets are going to be decorative and I think they're going to be a composite material.
>> And all he's asking is they're field painted. >> You agreed to that. Okay. Um otherwise he said real real wood needs to be specified. So >> Okay.
>> Okay. Um and again the construction drawings you could come to us a PDF of the full construction drawings that you would send to the building department. >> Okay. >> Okay. So I think those were his you know paint
color again. Um even though this is a unique and important structure in the Short Hills uh district, their proposed exterior renovations to the existing structure appear in keeping with township's historic design guidelines
and standards of rehabilitation. The dormers seem appropriately scaled and common on the colonial revival home in the area. So those were Barton's comments. So with that said, I will move to
questions and comments from the commissioners. >> Yeah, I I just like two questions. Looks really nice. Um is the um what is you probably might have said this already that what's the roof material on the dormers? Is it
going to be slate or is it just Okay. And then the material on the polls are that's also going to be the >> the surrounding on the dormers >> that would be wood. >> That's wood. >> So the all the trim details match the
existing >> uh corner corner details and so forth. But that's question. >> Anyone else? You're welcome. >> Okay. Um
I don't I think it's wonderful and thank you and we're sorry you were delayed. Uh >> you're w to rip off our roof in the moment. Anyway, >> it's going to be beautiful. It already is. It's even going to be more stunning. So, thank you very much.
>> Um so, I need to see if there's anyone out there who No. um to the open public and there's not. So, uh I think we're ready to vote. Do I hear a motion to approve this application with the list
of what part were recommended? >> Second. >> Second. >> Awesome. >> Alison Canfield, >> yes. >> Zachary Davis, >> yes. >> Brad Jenkins, >> yes. >> Elizabeth Winga, >> yes. >> Christine Best, >> yes. Great.
>> Yes. >> Good luck to you. >> Thank you very much. >> And again, if you could get the PDF of the construction drawings to us that I'm assuming nothing you're doing here has zoning in it. >> No, it should should not.
>> Okay. >> Yes, we'll get that. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you for your patience. >> Sure. >> Thank >> Okay. move on to new business. And having no new business, >> I think you know how to work this better
than >> we have no new business. Um, >> and we have the informal review, right? I apologize. Okay. So, in line. The informal review is
application number 6.562 West Drive, lot number 2205, lot number seven is a contributing property on the Short Hills historic park district. This is a conceptual application. So for
review, we're not voting for that. It's just giving ideas, suggestions. Um, so if we could have the applicant or in this case the professional sworn in by that be your name for the record.
>> Yes, thank you. Um, Daniel >> and your relationship to the application >> of the architect or the client. >> Okay. And your licensing with state of New Jersey? >> Still good. >> Still good. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Great. Um, just before we proceed, um, I am within the 2008 of this property. We're not voting on it today, but if you like me to leave my comments out of this this evening, I can do that if you'd like.
>> No, comments, please. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So, just that I will not be able to vote on this. >> Yeah. So please proceed. >> Thank you so much.
Will you be able to turn the screen so that the Zoom camera can pick it up? >> Right. Me. >> Yeah. >> And and you guys can see it as well. >> Or maybe can you see? >> Maybe put behind you. Maybe maybe behind
a little bit. >> Just behind a little bit. >> I mean, I can see it now. Now I can't. >> I can see it where you have >> maybe just pull the podium back. >> I don't know if it works. >> I don't think I don't know where we
>> is it on on the TV itself. >> Yeah. >> So, if you can just turn it just a little more >> to the right. Pull pull your you up. Okay. Maybe a little more.
>> Needs to face that screen. >> Yeah. >> I don't even know if it's working. >> Yeah, a little better. >> I don't know that we're going to be able to get much better. If I may and if it's I know it's only
informals but if a exhibit the slides records do that as well. Okay. Who knows this is for uh so the short story and the long story
is uh so this is 62 Western Drive. It is a designated home. numbers 45 Shills Park District and it's had some work limitations to it.
But what we're proposing and why we're here tonight uh informally is we've been struggling with a how to improve house to meet compliance needs but also be very respectful to the original architecture of the home. Uh the house
was built in 1890 followed by store hard as a rental property. Is that cool? Um wound up selling it to a friend of his called the good sales. Sold it for a dollar and change or
something. So uh then he sold it back. some reason or another. Uh, but basically it was a speckle rental in the area and we'd love to show you pictures of it,
but it is a it's a very unique house. It's very very >> it's very eclectic, very eclectic home. So, it's a I would say it's a shingle style home. has very relaxed look to it and very unique. So,
it's not uh a mixed uh mixed bag of architectural tricks, but they all kind of work together. So, you'll see it's got a really interesting stone and brick and shake style elements
to it that are um very loose and kind of very informal. And sometimes there's just a surprise cool window with some beautiful uh architectural details, some bursts. Um not very rigid or not very
symmetrical. A lot of simple cable plans. Um and again it was built in 1890s, so it's a relatively small footprint. Um and I'd like to show you the existing floor plans. Um brief brief brief history is somewhere
uh around 1969 there were some additions done to the house and I will identify the additions and what's interesting about that is that's where we want to try to connect a build onto the not the original architecture but
some of the additions that were done in 1969. They weren't done very well at all. Um, actually the house kind of fell in I wouldn't say disrepair because I wouldn't would be able to tell you about condition of the house but when you look at the photographs from 1969
the shingles were painted the way some of the windows were not were changed out and the addition 1969 was much like 1969. Luckily in 2000 2001 the homeowner at the time did some work and part of
the work blue. >> Uh, an addition, some modest additions to the house. Uh, first floor, a little bit of second floor, a little bit in the attic. Uh, they knocked down a garage that was built in 1969. There's some evidence of some structure, detached
structure being on the property. No pictures available, but somehow in 1969, they built a twocar garage that we'll see in the pictures. So much more picture. Give it one try. I would love if you get
some visual on it. >> Yeah. >> There you go. >> Thank you. stuff. >> All right. >> Um, it's kind of fun talking about them because how your imagination's going.
>> Um, so in 2001, luckily, someone knocked down the garage, built a new garage. It's beautiful. Um, they renovated the existing house to try to bring it back to its glory, although not 100%.
and whatever work that they did do was was uh in keeping with the 1890 aesthetics. That being said, now we're looking to expand the house to increase the uh flow and function uh for the
homeowner. >> And let me take you through >> our plan. I guess the goal the goal for us tonight is that we have pretty big lot. You have options
and we started with an option that worked for Sony worked for the homeowner and then Barton said it doesn't work for us. Back to the drawing board. We've tried uh several several several uh
design options to solve the puzzle. And it's a puzzle and there's always a different way to solve the puzzle. And so what I want to do tonight is have you see where we're at and say that uh the hard work we've done, this is
working out well. Now we have to really work on all the other goodies that go into which is the roof, the windows, the side, the shapes, the forms. But conceptually, if this work uh since now I have the benefit of the visualization, this is the original home. It was
designed by an architect named Jamie Lord Brown which was interesting because a lot of records show that was done by Stanford White but what I found is that it's a James Lord Brown who did it and again
it's classified as a picturesque eclectic a domestic angle shot and you can see this is the elevation that faces Western Drive everything kind of rem remains attack except for some of the fun things that
are on here, which is some of the windows in the attic. Um, I believe it's a blue roof that's no longer there. It's fast asphalt shingles now. This really cool lightning >> cap is no longer there. But besides
that, some of the other good things that are exist, this window is still here. And >> yeah, >> that window is still here. And you could just see how it's so random, but works. Um, very interesting architecture. So, we'll have a nice challenge when we do our edition to try to I know we're not
supposed to match, but give it the flavor of what we're seeing here. And it's a very very relaxed home. And this is the original house, which is a really nice picture. Not no one's really touched that part of
it. This is just another view. Um, almost looks like to me that This was the front elevation and how the streets came about. Um, it almost seems like when I look at it, certainly two dimensional on paper, it
seems like this could have been the front door. Oh, and that's where the front door is. You walk up the porch and I'll show you some pictures of where it is, but it's hiding back here. So, but the the front door face is not western, but to the to the side to Taylor, but
there's another home there. Okay. Uh just some maps, fun fun information. So I guess uh uh some of the original mapping shows the home, shows a circular
drive, and shows a whole network of loops around the house. Probably what we were told from the archives is that everything was coal. and to get the delivery of coal you would just drive around make deliveries and so that's probably what
all that fun um circular drive stuff were and obviously I don't think we had automobiles quite quite then um that they were just coming out so coal was the the source of heat and and that's probably how it got
delivered and then we see a map uh this is one of the earlier maps I believe this This is in 1928. We see the home and we see a what resembles a a structure here. And that's where the garage is located
now. Um, but I'll show I'll show you the home. Um, these are this is the the the what we could find of the additions back in 1969. And it just to get your bearings, this
is the back of the house. This one story addition was added. This deck was added. Uh you can see this kind of not historic window. It's not there now, but I guess in 2001 when they got a chance to bring it back
to life, uh they did the best or a better job than this. But 1969 addition to the back and deck. And this is the side of the home. And I'll get your bearings again. Um, but someone added this side entry room above and it shows up
better here in this picture. This this addition here, this addition here, and then luckily, and I'll show you the garage. This was the garage that was built in 1949. Luckily, we move forward 2000, they
knocked that down. They built this garage. You can see that they worked really hard to bring in the stone and the brick and some of the shingles. Now, of course, the shingles are painted, so I guess we continue with that theme. Um, but of course, nicely done, detached
twocar garage. Now, this is what we see today is a photograph. And um the only thing I could really see other than some of the little details I pointed out to you that I think the existing architecture
remains this edition 2001 but right now there's a kitchen inside and let me take you to the fun photographs. This is the front door I was mentioning. So this is facing Taylor. So you come up
to the porch that from western you make a left into the front door. Um, very interesting. This is the side. So, this is the 2001 edition. Then, uh, the RA remodeled that odd shaped room in back
now, 2001, they took down the deck and they added this raised patio, >> real clunky. Uh, but they did spend some energy um on that back edition. So, that's looking
nicer. Dormers were added. This top dormer and this top dormer. And they did a nice job. I'll see if I have a better picture, but they remodeled the second floor. There was a big ugly uh box in the back of the house. They remodeled it. They
turned it into a shed roof. It's hard to see and I we'll work on that for next time to show you what that looks like. From Google Earth, I can see it better. But anyway, there's it's taking on the second floor, but they did do a little manipulation. But whatever they did,
they brought it closer back to where it was. Okay. So I have the existing drawings of the house and I what I tried to do was identify in color what was done in 1969, what's been 2001 and what's original.
Um pretty much um the blue 1969 rebuilt in 2000 ancient edition. Um just to give you a flavor of the first floor. Welcome to the front door here.
There's a foyer. A very interesting staircase. It's like to show you pictures inside, but it's in its all its glory. You know those beautiful ballisters. Anyway, you go up, go down. Bob layout, but it is what it is. Um,
dining room is here. Big beautiful dining room. Uh, this happens to be a living room. Kitchen is here. That's what I had done. breakfast area, I call the dining room, but breakfast area, mud room side entry, and a small little sitting room. So,
relatively small footprint uh for the first floor. On the second floor, on the second floor, someone must have commandeered a bedroom, but we got um come up the stairs. We've got a one bedroom here.
Nice size. Um go down the hallway. Bedroom back here. decent size. And then we've got a master and a closet and a bathroom. So, for all intentional purposes, three bedrooms, two bathrooms.
The third their third child had three kids. Uh, one's up in the attic. Doesn't I don't want this to weigh in on any of your conversations, but apparently someone had side >> on the third floor. And so
my client thinks that that's why her son doesn't like to stay up there. Anyway, true story, but uh let's not talk too much about that. >> It's all history. >> It's history. >> So there's our second floor. And then the attic is it has some space. It has
some bedrooms. Uh quite interesting upstairs. Um you know, there kooky little fun spaces, but three fun little spaces and a bathroom, detached garage. Um, so let me get into the concept because I don't want to keep
it too long. The concept try and tell a story. So the story is that we would like additional garage. We would like a space for mother-in-law who's full-time living with us. guest bedroom on the first floor and an
additional um living space off the off the kitchen. So how this plays is the pink is what's proposed and if I tell you we tried many many many solutions to get
here and uh I finally um it was fun my client I had two clients >> and so this was the uh Martin said we're in the right direction and the direction really is to maintain the garage the detached garage you could
expand it but let's keep it a detached uction. One of the one of the goals uh I can tell you I solved this puzzle didn't need a variance and I kind of worked but then obviously we were dealing with our historic
um nature. So where we ended up at the moment is to expand the detach structure with a third car garage. Easy. And uh the way I would do that, just so you know, because I
think it's the right move, is well, it has a gable roof. This is looking from western. So this is the this is the detach garage that exists and it's got a gable roof with peak this way. So seemed appropriate to I pulled it in a little bit. I'll have a gable roof going this way that sits a
little bit lower from existing. Just seemed like a right mower. That seems like an easy story to talk about. Other than that would require a boundance because it's just a non-conforming but we would expand it. So that would require parents
to expand that garage. Then what happens is we'd like to do a onestory addition here. I'll talk about the second floor above that, but this would provide us with a guest bedroom, closet bathroom, some
additional living space, which could flow out to this the cool patio, which I will show you. Um, so that's the uh addition here. The rest of the stuff is
patios, pools, all sorts of fun exciting exterior things. Obviously, in the back of the house and not seen this here was the uh location of the addition, what what was appropriate. Um
I can tell you what I did which was not appropriate, but I guess I'll share that for another day. the second floor. And this is where it gets really interesting. And I I tell you, I never would come up with this my own unless I was uh you know, it was kind of
interesting. I'll show you the architecture of how this all came out. And we're kind of excited that being pushed to this. It's like, wow, this is cool. And how the second floor works is one of the things is that Barton
suggested which is obviously the goal is to as surgical as you can connect to the second floor touch as little as you can. And so what that wound up is uh very interesting flat
roof that doesn't compete with the other roofs bridge. So now we're kind of separated architecturally from the second floor. And then I can create I can get back uh the leftover space for bedrooms.
Now I'm going to circulate this way. It's a long walk but architecturally depressed the house. It's pretty cool solution to separated. And then we get upstairs and really it's the program of a bedroom, a
bathroom and a closet. And uh and we'll show you some of the architecture here, but right now this is a proposed balcony with a covered area underneath. That's the floor plan. Um I can certainly share with you some of the
variances associated with it, but I'd rather a start with maybe some of the exciting things of what this could look like. Um let me start with the threedimensional imagery that we tried to create for everybody.
So on the top I'll just go one by one. This top image is was existing and this is what's proposed and obviously we're looking at it from aerial view so you can start to see some of the architecture. Um but this is existing
2001. This was a modification done in 2001. So that's where we I'm going to say surgically inserted our second floor bridge and now we've got the twotory structure in the back that will be less
in high than the main separated. Um there's an exist this the existing side entry. The only thing I suggested we do is just add extend this porch for function over the steps. And then we have our addition. So, let
me show you some other views um of that. I guess it would be appropriate to show you what it looks like from the street rather than as a bird. Um the back of the house just to kind of get you to understand that the what it
looks like threedimensionally. No, actually plan. This is the uh 2001 and and 1969 renovations to the house. So that's where we would connect. Um so this this actually this is the corner of
that breakfast room that I'd use to come out. We make our way down a few steps. Then we get to this addition here um that sits lower than the main and
feels a bit separated. I I think you wind up with a very beautiful courtyard in the back of the house. Um, and it's set back from the tail of roadside which is obviously green. It's
set back from uh the street quite a bit. So the >> Can you show the existing view just right just from this to that? Sorry because I'm just having trouble following. >> Yes. So the existing is just above them, right?
>> Yes. Just pull it up a little. >> Yeah. Sorry. That's fine. I just I just wanted to see before I could look back at the other image, >> right? Good. So that the other image is right below. And what I guess I wanted to try to get
an understanding of is um the department felt we were in the right direction um conceptually and then obviously then I could take this and prepare for us u
windows I would propose and materials I would be this great discussion about how to make it even more beautiful um from the front of the house. Let me just show you. So, this is obviously it's a flat drawing and the pink area is what's
new and it's set back behind the house, but that's the uh the vibe and the feeling you'd get from there. So, it's a very soft. There actually is an example of this roof on the on the existing house that go from
the top down. So, very soft and obviously it's a It's a big addition. It's going to increase the living space. We will not need F variance because of some other
things. We'll need a go list. >> Um this is the that view that you were looking at threedimensionally, but now we're looking at two dimensionally. And you can see this existing 1969 2000 edition. And then that's our second point that
detaches our main roof line from the existing roof line. So I think that's a very exciting idea. This is a view. Okay. If I was to stand in the back of the home and I would look at the this is
the pick area. This is the new uh garage extension. This the gable roof that I turn the other way. It's also a set back uh about a foot from main from the front ridge.
Yes, this is some really eclectic and whimsical addition that works really well with this architecture house. I would quickly um like I said the variance is just the
we have the the rear yard setback um by by putting the massing in the back of the house. It's just a little bit off. This is the rear yard uh maximum rear yard and so this would be a slight violation.
It's the rear yard setback. I talked about the garage. The building coverage would have a slight deviation or deviation. Block coverage would have a bit of a deviation. Maximum accessory use coverage
and in my opinion that's a relatively small overage of 200 250ish feet of maximum accessory use coverage. And that obviously uh could be talked about when we talk about this stuff. Um
rear yard unoccupied small overage because the bulk of our mission is going to go into deer and yeah so there's six variances um and no F which now if you took that masking and
if you did some other things you could reduce some of the varian but again this is new for you. I've been at this about six, seven months and my head is full of uh options and ideas and I can tell you I can share with you all of them.
>> But this is where after a long long long architectural journey, this is where we're at today. We love uh your feedback and I know it's a lot to to digest because you're seeing it for the first time. Um >> great. So,
If you'll allow us, we'll start with uh comments. So, can I just ask one question? Six variances. Is that including that you're adding the pool, right? >> Yeah. The uh building coverage, no. Uh
but lot coverage, yes. Accessory use coverage. So, um the belt could be tightened up some of that. Can you show us the zoning envelope there on that >> that one right now? The >> Yeah. Um so your reader yard. Thank you. Um
>> I know you don't have the survey yet, right? So >> I do have the survey of what the property. >> Yeah. >> With the new on it. >> Oh, yeah. This is the Well, it's my artistic thing, but this has the survey.
This is a the scale survey behind it. So we got the department got trees. Um I'll just go over some of the setbacks with you. So >> yeah. So which line is the zoning set back line?
>> Let me change color to make it nice that the only one I'm really worried about here or I'm not even really worried about this rear yard setback. >> Yeah. >> Then we've got the accessory use. uh well not accessory use detach garage
setback 12t is the what they want 3 ft is what's existing >> and by the time I because the shape of the lot and the the orientation of the existing garage will be at oh six feet here and then it
starts to widen up but the the to conform would be back here that for the garage >> and then the pool is >> the pool's okay. The pool uh you're allowed to go 12 ft.
>> Okay. >> For the accessories that wasn't varian. So where I got uh is the rear yard setback variance and of course I've looked at the neighbors and neighborhood. There's no real negative impact of that six feet my opinion. Um,
then there's the building coverage. So, we're slightly over on building coverage. That's probably the biggest overage. Um, and lot coverage. >> So, can you take us back to that original historic photograph map
and just so we can >> see how this lot all of a sudden got to this size? >> Was a 19 Was it 19 >> 26? >> They show lots of
>> Yeah. Well, just not that one. >> 1928. >> The one before that up up in the corner there. The Yeah. Okay. So, >> I don't know if there's this one. >> No, but see the road there. There's a road between the two seas, right? See
the Yeah. And it went all the way >> out the other side. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So that property owned that whole corner there. See it? >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> But I just I for me looking at this and
and I could figure that out that that's why eventually the lots got sold off or subdivided. But that house originally probably possibly owned that whole piece of property there.
>> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. This is on I think the one of the older maps, right? Uh labelled houses. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. I again I just wanted to share because that put this in
perspective for me a little little better. Um, so I think that the again I think that the design was a genesis working as a big big big team trying
desperately and learning a lot about what feels I guess historically correct and sacred to this home while giving the clients
the space that they would like. So that's the balancing act. Now I obviously have to balance out the uh zoning variances that might be needed. um just believe there's conforming situations, but um
I guess I don't think anybody here would like it, which is knock down the detached garage, maybe a threec car attached garage, put a big addition above it, and it means all the zoning, get me out of the rear yard, all of a sudden competes with and I've learned a
lot. I think it competes a lot with this jewel, right? So this uh I I tell you that uh that we talk about all the time that I never in a million years would come up with some such a solution but having done it you look at what's been
created it's so interesting architecture as opposed to other things. So yes uh and so that's where we're at and then you know obviously the work ahead of us um monumental work ahead of us is really
uh meditate and think about how cool architectural elements could add and not to add right not to go too crazy and start copy and mimicking but uh pay homage to to what we see and do something really cool and I think
that the variances is that it don't affect the architecture which is a lot of curbage um that I would definitely try to minimize because obviously that's something that could be worked on but certainly the building coverage and some
of these other architectural setbacks like the garage we would love your support >> okay next >> so and I think that's something we all need to consider too if we support this application in so keep that in mind too
Um, so the only other question I have is the original house, did it have copper gutters on it? Does it still have copper gutters? What's >> Great question. Um, >> because maybe we could kind of give you an idea of what
>> they like. Aluminum hanging gutters. Um, they certainly look painted and they're definitely not the typical paint gutters. Maybe it is. >> Yeah, that's
>> maybe it is. >> Like I said, in some period of time it kind of like, >> you know, lost like I don't think you guys were watching. There was no one watching. There was no committee then. Um, >> yeah, just basic,
>> right? I Let's look at the garage. I wonder what they did in the garage. >> They got away with that basic. >> Yeah. >> Um >> is that as orh like can you kind of give
us some idea what you're thinking? >> Yeah. Well, uh, I can take you through my elevations and I I'll be honest with you, I have a very simplistic, uh, approach, which is wherever I can match the cedar, match the brick, match the stone. Now, the question is, okay, how
much where do I put it and how much do I go and how far do I go? And I hadn't gone that far. Uh, the existing roof is asphalt shingles. Um, it looks like that uh
snake line book. >> Is that something that you're going to change on the whole house? Um, >> we >> because you're touching a large portion of it. >> Yeah, that was the I guess the beauty of this this edition is we're only going to
kind of touch it a little bit. Um, I don't know if we're in bad shape. Certainly needs to be cleaned. Um, it certainly is a conversation that where do we go with that kind of stuff?
>> Well, certainly for me bringing it back to its original as much as possible. >> And I think that's what must have happened in 2001. It's like, okay, we needed approval and we certainly needed we had this great minds in front of us. It's like, yeah,
where do we go? Um, so just if I could uh cuz that will probably help me prepare for our real meeting is >> can we flash the original that that Alan Alison was referring to just for one second. >> Oh, I didn't even go there because I
just I just because because she just spoke to that. I just want to >> Yeah, I I it's hard to tell. It's certainly a very light color, but it's definitely Yeah. >> half round hanging gutters. It's hard to imagine that they're copper unless they really petited. But this
this cool rain or >> lightning I don't even know if it is lightning but cool. It's a cool cap. Um doesn't look that dark unless it's really >> looks like a like a woodland green,
you know, vibe going on with all the >> colorations. Back to heart feeling. >> Cedar shaped root with cedar siding. >> For sure. All cedar. For sure. For sure.
That doesn't look very uh shabby, but it's >> Yeah, it looks >> It does. It sounds like >> It definitely looks more of a wood. >> I have a question. Now, you said that this off to the side was an addition. Are you saying it was bumped out more
because it's there? >> No. Let's go through that because it's it's a brain teaser. This is uh existing. >> It is brain teaser. >> It's a brain teaser. I got to go back and scared at back and forth back and forth. But what I wanted to show you which I discovered is there. And I don't
have the picture, but I can definitely see there's beautiful roof line. >> There's this beautiful roof line that goes from the top all the way down. >> At 1969, they got rid of it. And then in 2001 they brought it back which is so I got some inspiration for that to help
sell the house. >> Um but if I could show you now >> I see. >> Yeah. And I think they actually made a dimensional move. So this brick that brick.
>> Oh well yeah they pushed it way back. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They pushed it way back. >> I have a question in the back. So when you were saying I guess what of I know this lower part is an addition but is this upper part original >> because the back with you? Um
>> I'm just trying to figure out what we're missing back. Okay, I can definitely do that the back and and I'm going to show you, but there's a shed roof back here >> that they added. And I think they took
away what someone did in 1969 and and manipulated back to that because now this fun back there, but this was uh 1969 refurbished 2001. And then the still not
historically correct, but then they put that window in instead of the >> guard. >> But the the upper portion is >> the upper portion. The only thing I I see is that the dormer would add this. >> But you're not touching that. >> Not touching that.
>> Okay. >> No, we're we're going to come in and we're not going to touch this gable at all. >> Okay. >> And we're going to come in with the should we call the bridge. Um, >> it's also connected at the first floor,
but it's not just only >> it's connected to the first floor. Thank you. But what I did was this is a pretty nice set room. Uh, I left two windows here. So, this the addition kind of sits here. And now, >> yeah. So, to your point, it's going to
touch the 2001. So what what was the inspiration for the second floor bel? >> It grew. You know how these things go. It's well a it started with a covered um
let me take you to that. I think it started with this starting idea. to create this roof line here. Uh you know to have outdoor sitting area
space and then of course uh well wouldn't that be exciting to be able to come out of your bedroom. There's you know this beautiful pool and stuff. So it grew as a result of designing And I guess I I I would, you know, I was
not truly inspired, but when I heard it was designed as a summer retreat rental, I started thinking like what people would want if they were to come out for the summer. But obviously so the fun nice idea not
>> yeah I think you know when you were saying like adding details to the back portion of it like I think I I like the interesting roof lines because I think that complements the building but I think I wouldn't go too heavy-handed because this is kind of like a almost like a
secondary wing you know it's a back of the house secondary wing so it shouldn't be as ornated like it should it should match material wise and qualitywise. But I think that's like this portion a little bit becomes
fancy in a way that maybe competes with the other house. >> I I mean going on Liz's comment, um I I I feel like um there's something that's
a differentiator in terms of um the overall house is so eclectic and um nothing lines up. It's, you know, very asymmetrical in so many different ways. And um you know, particularly with the rounded windows that are dotted
throughout um just put in different places irregularly. I mean, I feel like the back of the house feels, you know, like a classic newer edition. It's very beautiful. Um, but I'm missing, you know, particularly
I think the centering of the chimney coming down with the windows symmetrically on both sides conflicts with the rest of, you know, all the eccentricisms of the placements of things. I don't know how to solve your interior problem. You know what I
mean? Because um >> excited to hear that because you know, you draw it, you don't see. >> So, you know, >> like it's a beautiful design. Yeah, it's probably hard to be >> Yeah. No, I know. I was like, I don't know how to solve that problem.
>> I'm not Nobody wants you to be that. Yeah. No, I mean, I just >> that it, you know, it just feels, you know, it's it's still beautiful. It just um >> Yeah, I can see >> different Maybe it's just some small details. Um >> I couldn't agree with you more.
>> I don't know. I I think that agree that you know it does look more structured and the other one just has like where's the uniqueness? >> I do like kind of the open balcony piece. I like that cuz it's kind of
>> you know maybe a little less formal maybe. Um, but maybe maybe adding a couple of those brown windows or somewhere adding pieces that were
look maybe like they're a little off. >> Yeah, that that was a challenge. I think it's got to be um off like you know as you design you kind of you know oh I'll put the bedroom above the family room and I'll line this
chimney up and uh I'm excited to try >> and the the chimney I think uh is overpowering the back. >> Um and I'm not sure why you need a chimney like that there. Obviously, they want a fireplace that's functional, but
I think it dominates your exterior and also vertically it's it's pretty high. Um, I was even looking to see your roof line coming down a bit because me, it's still up pretty high. This is offset. When you look at the house from the
road, you're really picking up that back extension, >> which I hope we wouldn't see. I mean, I get it. There's a 2001 already there, but I would think you'd want to deemphasize that passing up there. And
the chimney really raises its hand, says I'm here. Um, so I think you pull that chimney out, that takes your eye a little bit away from it. >> The roof line um that you carry at the top of your addition on the right matches your slope to the front. So, I
think that's great. It's a little bit uh confusing having this second roof line there, which I know you're bringing down to >> draw down to your breezeway going over to your garage, >> but I almost wonder if you don't need that, just have a roof line come out at
the first floor without drawing it down, >> right? >> Um to me, those stand out in my mind when I look at this from the back. Um, and like I say, just looking at from the front of what the back is, I'd like to see a small reduction in that if you
can, but maybe the chimney reduction could achieve that, too. So, >> but that's kind of my thoughts. I've been sitting here with that say how I could say it articulately. So,
>> I got it comments. I also think materials like on the stone patio and stuff like that, that's going to be important to give it more of a country feel and a more formal blue stone. >> Yeah.
>> Or, you know, even if it were like um >> stone or brick. Yeah. >> Something a little less >> modern like what they would do today with the blue stone. >> I agree. But that would change I think a
lot of how I think and forgive me Christie. I think that would change that back >> a lot >> by just the right materials to give it more of a you know summer home feel instead of a
>> less rigid. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Makes sense. I I will say knowing what >> first was drawn and second was drawn. I mean this guys is
>> this is amazing. So I want to >> thank the the owners of this house. >> Yeah. She was so excited. Like every roadblock she's like okay we'll figure it out. >> Yeah. She and I'm like you put on her resilience. Like >> she's probably more so than you.
>> Oh >> yeah. I was like, "This is the best. Can't think any better. All right, I'll try it." And then and we got to this one and I was like, "Oh my god, this is pretty cool." I did have some other cool ones that I was getting excited about,
but this one when it was done, I'm like, I never would ever have created such a and and I know we have a lot of work to do on the form, but the function and where it's located and how it's starting
to feel and they're very excited. S, thank you. you guys put a lot of time into this and you you guys worked really hard and I think you listen to Barton and um >> you know and I I personally think that
this is something that this commission could support in zoning. >> Yeah. >> But I it's also what you guys feel is important too. >> I'm kind of excited. But I don't expect I don't expect that uh the next time we
meet I'm going to nail it. I think that it's a it'll be something great for you to see and we have this you know I I know it's a work in progress. It's I'll respect next time I come in we're done. It's it's um yeah important.
>> No it's a tough one. It's a tough one, but it's also I'm excited about the challenge and sometimes there's not the right answer, but I definitely see what you see now, which is, you know, organized. >> Yeah, thank you.
>> Yeah, it's great. You It's come such a long way the first. So, we really appreciate it. And as you can see, I think just listening to people and going back and
but I I personally think um with my own house is try to get it as the materials and stuff as close to the original house. Bring back what was always meant to be.
>> Um like I said, I'm excited. Like I know in my home I client here. She sells. >> She's so excited. >> And the more she learned about the house, the more excited she got. >> Yeah. Really cool. >> Because she didn't know what she was buying. She just rush in a rush to buy something.
>> And then when she discovered the, >> you know, as you get into it, she appreciates it. >> Yeah. >> And Marissa, thank you guys. >> Oh, thank you. We're we're excited to see what you come back with. >> Yeah. >> It's It's going to be It's It's very cool already. It's just
>> cool. Really? >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Terrific. >> Where where was the kitchen before the 2001 edition? >> Yeah. >> Well, I can only guess uh because I
tried to work backwards on >> the archaeologist in the room trying to figure this house. Did they already blow it out? It's probably well I think a lot of things happened but this certainly was original.
>> Yeah. >> And so you can imagine >> about >> you know get excited about this stuff too. >> I want to see the staircase. If you can bring a picture.
>> Okay. I think I love those like little details. >> It's very But what really interesting and I can't tell you see this one um especially like tuck to the side usually walk into the front door and there's a staircase but this piece goes up get to a landing and that's where this first
beautiful >> arch and how they created >> you know so you go up and then you go back up and you went down to the basement between the two. It's kind of neat.
>> It's a good use of space. >> You know, you cut >> back stair. >> Yeah. >> Is it the fancy stand is the back stand? >> That's cool. >> Thank you guys. >> Very nice. Thank you very much. >> You did such a nice job on the chest
house, too. >> Thank you. >> And he's so excited. He's gonna start >> uh starting to get permits ready. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. >> Um you know what might be very helpful? It is a very complicated piece.
>> Maybe just even overlaying, you know what I mean? Like so >> that might be helpful because all the roof lines and all that. So, you know, maybe something that we could visually just kind of overlay the next section or the next section.
>> Okay. It's possible. >> It's got to be possible. >> Yeah, it's it's a very complicated application. So, >> yeah, I I kind of got nervous like how am I gonna explain this? >> It's a lot. I mean, I was having trouble falling. It's it's I was thinking gosh
for you to fall to do that. I'd be like, "Oh my god, I'm losing my mind." I have some ideas uh outside the home about how to lower it because uh well let's say we go from the second floor to the new park but I take a step or two down squash it more. >> Yeah.
>> Well, this is it's really going in the right direction and exciting. So, thank you. >> Um so, now I'm going to open the meeting floor to the public. >> Did your son have any comments?
Great. Okay. Um, moving to discussion items. Really having none this evening. So, unless anyone else has any discussion items. So, this concludes our meeting for this evening. Um, I'll make
a motion to adjurnn. Do I have a second? >> Meeting adjourn. Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. I mean, I didn't talk to them.