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I got my stuff. There we go. everybody to the burn township planning board meeting tonight in accordance with section five of the open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975. Be advised that notice of this meeting with made by posting on the mold board town hall and serving the officially

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designated newspaper to list the meeting dates annually indicating that this meeting would take place at the Milbour Board of Education Education Center building at 7:30 p.m. on June 3rd, 2026. May I have a roll call, please? Jonathan Baxter >> here. >> Allison Campfield >> here. >> Michael Cohen

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>> here. >> Jorge Master Petro. >> Deborah Neas >> here. >> Frank Zakamandi. >> Michael Zion >> here. >> Vice Chair Screeni VJ. >> Chair Gston Hert >> here. >> Sergey Stow >> here.

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>> Chris Hinrich. >> All right. Uh thank you again for everybody being here tonight. I know there's a mix game on at 8:30. We're going to try to get through all of that. We have a very full agenda. Um we have some minutes for approval, a couple ordinances to review for master

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plan consistency, one application, an environmental commission presentation, and then we're going to close up with an executive session, brief executive session. Um so to uh begin, uh did everybody receive the regular meeting minutes for April 15, 2026?

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Are there any questions or comments? I'll make a motion to adopt the minutes for April 15, 2026 for the regular meeting portion of our meeting. Do I have a second? >> Second. All in favor? >> I opposed and no abstensions because no

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one was absent that night. >> Motion passes. Um, did everybody receive the executive session minutes for April 15, 2026? Any questions or comments? That being said, um I'll make a motion

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to approve and adopt the minutes for the executive session for April 15th, 2026. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I All oppose. Motion passes unanimously. Okay. Uh first order of business is

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ordinance 2754-26. We'll be reviewing um that that ordinance for master plan consistency. Um it's for a historic designation for the Mount Zion African Methodist Episcopal Church located at 54 Church

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Street, block 1103, lot 7. Graham, could you take us through your memo and tell us a little about please? >> Sure I can. Um and just for the benefit of the board, I did do a combined memo for both of historic participation. So it's uh 2754-26

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and 2755-26. Um again these are ordinances I believe uh you know following historic uh nomination process. Um so um did not come through the normal zoning force of the zoning code examination committee just for everyone's benefit. Um so we did not author these but I did prepare

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um on short notice this afternoon consistency review to facilitate the board's read this evening. Um so I'll go through and read into the record to determine the benefit um and for the benefit of the record. So in accordance to this land use law, the governing body may adopt ordinances that regulate the release of plans and buildings prior to adoption for NJSA45-64.

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The governing body must defer the ordinance to the planning board for review and determination whether the ordinance is consistent master plan. To facilitate the planning board's consistency review, we provided all relevant portions of the uh 2018 master plan reexamination update for the township as well as consideration of the 2023 historic preservation element of

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the master plan the criteria. Um just a brief summary of the ordinance. Again, this is just based on our read of it. So, ordinance 2755-26 designates bridges associated with the Morrison Essex and the Old Main, Delaware, Lacawana, and Western Railroad as a thematic historic district. And ordinance 2754-26

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designates the Mount Dion and church as a historic landmark under the couch ordinances. Uh the historic district ordinance uh for the um railroad facilities will preserve the historic nature of the structures along the ME rail line and preserve 11 train bridges or structures one of which is identified

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as key contributing structure and the remaining 10 are identified as contributing structures. Uh the district will preserve the integrity and character of train bridges. The historic landmark ordinance uh 2754 nominates the Mount Zion and Church located at4 Church Street as it

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satisfies multiple uh attributes of code section 804.2 of the DRZ um including the character, interest or value of the development heritage or cultural characteristics of the township state or nation. The church has records dating back to 1881 and the current building was constructed in 1902. The property um

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has also previously been included in the Melbourne uh center walking tour booklet as noted on page 64 of that 2023 certation element of the master plan. With respect to its relationship to the township master plan, uh the ordinances advance the following objectives and recommendations contained within the

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master plan reexamination and update. Goal five to recognize and encourage preservation of area structures and sites of historic interest. Uh goal five objective 5.01 01 encourage the preservation and restoration of structures or of historic and/or architectural significance and goal 5

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objective 5.04 support historic preservation commission in his pursuit of safeguarding the heritage of the township by preserving Milbourne's cultural historical aro archaeological and architectural her uh resources and sites. Um follow tonight uh the planning board shall make and transmit uh to comm

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video report identify any provisions in the proposed ordinances that are inconsistent with master plan and make recommendations concerning those consist inconsistencies and any other matters um as the board moves appropriate the uh as said he the memo covers both

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uh ordinances we did also to facilitate the process provide uh the usual type resolution that we provide so that if the board wishes to make a determination, certainly the board should make a determination one way or the other. Uh but it's granted as being

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not inconsistent. Uh uh uh that's not to tell you which way to vote. You make your own determination, of course, as always. Um but uh that would facilitate the process. So you can go right to adopting a resolution and that would be along with the the ordinance and Graham's memo

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with respect to each of these ordinances uh both historic designation ordinances. Uh it would be the communication back to the governing body uh from this board with its consistency determination. So, but I would as always ask you to

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consider each separately and vote separately uh to adopt each or uh resolution with respect to each ordinances uh master plan consistency. >> I do have one question or comment for

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the Mount Zion Church. That is a self uh recommendation, correct? So >> yes, based on our review of the nom report and I'm sure Miss Campfield can elaborate, but it's a self-nominated process. >> Thank you. >> Excellent. And you've already covered

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the train bridge or correct with everything. Uh, on that one, I do have a question about if stuff does need to change with the railroad, will they have any issues going through us now because we've not we've nominated them to be

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historic partners or >> I mean, I can certainly answer that. Um, as our bridges are deteriorating, and a lot of them are historic, whether they're overpasses or bridges, what it will do is have them repair it in the same manner historically instead of a

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new way of, you know, concrete and steel. So, that was what we pushed forward to the TC is that we'd really like to protect some of these bridges that we all know. We have several large bridges that probably are in need of

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repair. Um around town you can see where we have lost a few because they did change, you know, those bridges. Even if they had to raise them, they still have to do it with the same building, historic building materials or like building materials. So, um other towns

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do it. >> Um so we move forward on that. >> Yeah. specific terminology is repair, replacement, and kind to match the estate. >> And does that have an impact on the

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neighborhood at all? If there are historic bridges in the neighborhood, does that then have an impact on what kind of development can happen in the neighborhood? Do they have to does a developer have to architecturally be a

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little more cognizant of the fact that they're within a historic bridge area? >> Yes, that is correct. Um, you know, in a lot of cases our trucks are getting taller, so they might have to raise it what, but it has to be constructed again

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of light material. Um, and we would review that when it comes to, you know, >> Deborah, were you asking about homeowners? Yeah, >> I'm asking about developers. If a developer buys a prop a big property near a historic

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bridge, does their architect then have to take into consideration for its design of that development that there are historic bridges in >> Oh, I get what you're saying. At this time, no. Um, the district would have to be designated or if that house chose to

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be selfd designated. So, you know, we're working on all those pieces, but no, as you described it at this point, a developer as long as it's not the land which the bridge Okay, I guess that's >> Yeah, to just further clarify the the

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district designation under the ordinance is literally just the balance of the structure and the bridge itself does not include any off-site properties >> and Grim the land around right also for growth or expansion, right? So they own a certain >> Yes. There's a right of way around

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those, >> but it's only land currently owned by New Jersey Transit. >> Yes. >> And I think do we own some of the bridges? I'm not sure. I'd have to we did that report some time ago. I'd have to go back. There's several of them. So,

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um I can't recall if we own one or two or not. I'm not sure. Okay. So, I read it. Well, >> you just recently read it. >> I read it this afternoon. Okay. >> Excellent. You can answer all your questions. I don't know the answer to

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that question. I just discovered it. I didn't realize pre-cast concrete was historic. But anyway, um I want there's one kept concrete that's not historic. >> Okay. Yeah. But apparently one of I think there's an inconsistency. The one that's the key contributing one like it

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wasn't my favorite bridge. So, but the one of my least favorite bridges. Um the one on uh the number six in the report was listed as key contributing which is the railroad bridge over Main Street because it was supposedly the first use

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of pre-cast concrete in the bridge of that design and we're listing it as the one that's over the railway river. >> So the the ordinance lists number seven as the key contributing but the report from number six >> number.

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So that could be a recommendation back to the governing body to correct. >> I think it just needs to be corrected. That's my other comment that >> to reconcile that. >> Yeah. Just make sure that that's I think it's in I think that because they spoke specifically about that one having

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>> multiple the first use of concrete in this particular fashion. I might >> I haven't read I haven't read it in a while too. But I thought the one that was key contributing was the one over Mars Turnpike by Ben. >> No, it's not. I'm sorry. It's actually

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by age, you know, key contributing what it represented at the time of when it was built. So remember, it can be still a contributing, it might not be a key. >> Maybe that's >> Yeah, the one about main street is just was a first use of concrete in a

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particular fashion. everything else they said well this is not special relative to all the other bridges around but the one on the main street near the middle school apparently is even though it's probably the track >> and unfortunately anything over a certain age and in this case to bridge

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that's over 50 years old we have to look at each and every one of them and if it was the first of its kind then of course that would be a key contributing uh bridge I know we're over 50 years old doesn't seem like very

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Well done. >> I'd prefer that that not be historic. >> Right. Exactly. Exactly. Uh >> I hope that answer Yeah. I didn't mean that. >> Any other questions or comments from the

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board? >> Okay. So, I guess if if first with the uh Mount Zion Amy Church, I don't think there's any Well, I'll I'll leave it to the board to address whether it's not inconsistent and if so, we could have a motion second a roll call vote uh to adopt that resolution.

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It seems as if we'd have at least one with respect to the uh deatic railroad bridges. Uh, one recommendation perhaps we're going to make as far as reconciliation check and reconcile the six versus seven distinction. Um, but

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uh, Mr. Chair, if we find it, can we also adopt the resolution in the same motion? >> Yeah, that's why we do it this way. It's all one fell swoop. >> Excellent. So I will make a motion to find ordinance 2754126 historic designation of the Mount Zion

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Church on 54 Church Street block 11 103 lot 7 not inconsistent with the master plan and to adopt the resolution as Steve has stated previously. Do I have a second? >> Roll call vote please. >> Jonathan Baxter.

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>> Yes. >> Alan Campfield. Yes. Michael Cohen, >> yes. >> Debves, >> yes. Michael Zion, >> yes. >> Sergey Cisto, >> yes. >> Chair Gaston Pepper, >> yes. >> Would anybody like to make a motion for

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a second? >> I don't have the ordinance number. >> Sorry. Okay. So I make a motion finding that ordinance number 275526 designating bridges associated with the Morrison Essex Old Main Delaware Lacawana and Western Railroad as a

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historic district pursuant to the historic preservation ordinance of the township of Melbourne is not inconsistent with town. >> And would you like to have that motion include the reconciliation of the six versus seven? Uh yes, wrap this motion

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including reconciliation. The key contributing key contributing being number six instead of number seven. >> Second roll call, please. >> Jonathan Baxter, >> yes. >> Alison Campfield, >> yes. >> Michael Cohen,

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>> yes. >> Deborah Neas, >> yes. >> Michael Zion, >> yes. >> Sergey Sisto, >> yes. Chair Gassim Happer. >> Yes. Motion passes unanimously. Okay. On to our applications for the evening. We have application 26-005

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preliminary files minor site plan approval uh for Canoe Country Club 1108 Morris Turnpike lot 304 lot one. We have representation for the applicants. >> Uh chairman members of the board. Good

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evening. Hillary Alls of Dempsey Dempsey and Sheen on behalf of the applicant New York Country Club. Uh the subject property is located at 11:08 Mars Turnpike and is identified as block 5304 lot one in Milbour Township and block

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901 lot one in the city of Summit. All of the improvements proposed as part of this application are located entirely in the Milbourne Township portion of the property in the conservation recreation zone. The applicant is seeking minor site plan approval to revitalize and

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modernize the club's existing pool amenity area, including modifications and expansion of the existing pools and patios, associated grading improvements requiring retaining walls and fencing and replacement of the existing pool

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equipment building. The existing um equipment building is approximately 250 square feet and will be slightly relocated and replaced by a modest 656q ft structure designed to better serve the operational needs of the pool

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facility. Um importantly, this application requires no variance relief. The proposed improvements fully comply with the township's zoning requirements. The only relief requested consists of uh submission checklist waiverss which Mr.

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Smith will address during his testimony and which pertain to information that's either not applicable or unnecessary for the board's review of this straightforward application. Kyle Smith of Dynamic Engineering is here to present uh the application this evening.

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And in addition, Albert Constantini is here on behalf of Newbrook Country Club to answer any operational questions that the board may have. This application represents a reasonable and fully compliant enhancement of an existing recreational amenity and does not

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involve any expansion or change in the property's principal use. The proposed improvements will enhance the functionality, safety, aesthetics, and overall user experience of the pool area while remaining consistent with the conservation recreation zone and the

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property's longstanding private club recreation needs. We appreciate the board's consideration and are prepared to proceed with Mr. Smith's testimony. >> Oh, sorry. >> Actually, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just just one quick predicate issue uh that

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as always uh notice for jurisdictional purposes. I did review the content of the notice and found it to be sufficient uh as well as it time being timely served and published served on May 21 published also on May 21

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uh both at least 10 days prior to this evening. So the board does have jurisdiction to hear and decide the case uh based on proper notice being provided and with the chair's permission I'm happy to swear in all uh mail you two I guess potential witnesses um can't hurt

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to swear them in if they don't testify I promise it doesn't hurt and our board professionals as well Mr. Mr. Chair, so with with the permission, if you'll all raise your right hand, do all of you swear to God or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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>> Thank you, Oral Four. And back to you, Mr. Chair. >> Perfect. Um, >> not here. You know, I can if you want to go through your qualifications. behind you. >> Yes.

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Okay. So, I'm Kyle Smith, 1904 Main Street, New Jersey, 079. I'm a licensed professional engineer if you're in the state of New Jersey. I've been practicing civil engineering for over 18 years. licensed and licensed is currently

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standing. I'm a principal at dynamic engineering. I've been at dynamic engineering for just less than four years now. Prior to my experience at dynamic engineering, I worked at consulting engineering for mainly working in the on the public sector. So I work for municipalities, boards and

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authorities. Um and I've been currently working on land. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Smith. We credential uh employer. We accept you as a civil engine civil engineer. Civil

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engineer. >> Perfect. And can you just go uh for the board what steps you to start to prepare for your testimony? >> Yeah. So first I conferred with the principles um at the PE country club just to really understand the overall scope of the project then met with the

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project team which included an architect and we really drilled into the details of the work. Um, from that I reviewed the and studied the applicable zoning ordinances uh and provisions within the county of Milburn and applied that to this specific site and then based on the

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all the above um prepared to set up site plans and a storm water management report um for this proposed school improvements project here at Township. >> Excellent. And um the applicant is requesting certain checklist waiverss. Can you go through those waivers for the board? >> Absolutely. So we are requesting a

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waiver for V3 the steep slope identification and disturbance pursuant to DRZ 608.6 via topographic survey based on inspection of the site the disturbances all within previously survey. We also requesting wood for B6I

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show all existing principal accessory structures curves driveways water bodies and wooded areas within 100 ft of the site. Um the application is very limited to the pool filter building and um immediately surrounding area. Um as you can see on the aerial overview um which

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is aerial exhibit uh A1 um basically this the site is fully developed. It's an existing golf course without its amendies. Um and we're not increasing the scope of that work. Um the area of improvement is very small compared to the overall site. Um and none of the

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provisions, none of the proposed improvements are within 100 ft of any use that is not the applicant's country club use. And um our plan that shows the areas that are being impacted by the uh we're also requesting a waiver for C1

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environmental impact statement CGRZ 59. Uh the site is fully developed and the improvements have not no environmental impact on the site. uh the proposals replacing the existing filter building and associated purpes around the pool.

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So um with that, this is a waiver that has been granted previously for the site. Also requesting a wave before C5A storm order and environmental plan map survey depicting environmentally constrained land on site including when necessary flood plane areas, wetland

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buffers, streaming and state open borders, steep slopes and other areas specified in section 509.2. As previously stated, site for developments have no environmental impact on the site. What we're proposing here is replace an existing pools, patio

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area, and have pool filter building. Um, we're also finally requesting a waiver for D2 steep slope disturbance variance rating drainage plans with steep slope identification and disturbance via topographic survey. Pursuant to DRZ

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608.6 and DRC 608.7 based on inspection of the site, all disturbance proposed on this project within previously disturbed areas. >> All right. So those are the checklists. So >> I was Mr. Chair if I may before we proceed with that as as to the formality

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of the checklist wavers if I'm reading our planetto's complet number one May 8 page two correctly. Uh it looks as if at least four of those five items that were just listed were recommended by him to be uh the waiverss to be granted to

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advance to the board's hearing. Uh but uh uh certainly we should hear from Mr. better to see if that's reconfirmed. But also, if I heard the engineer correctly, there may have been one that was not on that list on page two. Uh the fourth of the five,

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>> right? It's not um there, but if you go through um the rest of his completeness report in the checklist, it talks about some wer discussion. >> Got it. Okay. So, with that, I that's a long-winded way. There's always me saying maybe we should hear from Mr.

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better just to reconfirm before the board formally grant perhaps grants the checklist waiver request so we can proceed with the hearing. >> Yeah, I think um you know and happy to hear Mr. Smith review these for us um the benefit of our testimony this

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evening. I think um regarding the existing structures within 100t obviously as shown on the site the site is well contained within itself. Um there is no offsite features within 100 ft of the areas of disturbance. Um so I certainly think that that is something that could be granted a waiver. Um with respect to the environmental impact

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statement um this is an existing develop location. Um they're just you know modifying existing develop location. So I certainly understand that waiver as well and I think it would have to be granted by the board. Um and then the steep slope um identification and disturbance area um and steep slope plan. Again this is all previously area.

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It's not the steep slope area of the township. And then the last one, sorry >> C5 storm watering environmental plan map survey dating environmentally. >> Again, this is an existing area. So with the certainly up to the board's

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consideration. >> Any questions from the board expert? And just to be clear, this is so that we can proceed with the hearing if at some point during the hearing or as a condition subsequent if you think any of this information is necessary. Uh I'm

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not suggesting it is but it may uh then this is only for purposes of proceeding with the hearing right now. I will make a motion to grant the five wers requested. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Call in favor.

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All oppose. Motion passes. >> Perfect. Thank you. Um, using the plans that were filed with the board and the exhibits that you've prepared, can you describe the existing conditions and what is proposed as part of the sitement application? >> Yeah. So, starting with exhibit A1 here,

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which is the the aerial planning exhibit. The project is located on the north porch um which is located on the southernmost portion of the township. Uh the the property is bounded by to the south by state on point 224 to the east

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by wooded areas and residential neighborhood to the north by wooded areas and some development launch on Keny Parkway and then to the west it's bounded by commercial development which were built. Um

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the existing condition as previously stated overall it's a golf course with various amenities associated with the club. Um, so I'm gonna switch to >> Before we do, just for the record, since that's an exhibit, you may have mentioned it as A1, but we will mark it as

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>> A1. I know we have at least two more. >> And just to be clear, that was the aerial plan exhibit, not the aerial enlargement exhibit. Correct. Speaking of the aerial enlarment exhibit

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that will put in as exhibit A2. Um, so as you can see from the the aerial Norman exhibit, the existing pool amenities area is staying in the in the same location and that's uh in existing condition 603.7

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ft for the property ring um to the straight state. So it's a significant distance from the area to the highway. Um the existing clipping garage building is approximately 428 feet to the nearest property line and approximately 460 ft

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to the nearest residence. Um this 250 square foot pool equipment garage building will be demolished as part of the project. Uh in addition to the two existing pools um the fence the stone retaining wall concrete pavers and sidewalks.

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So, as part of the project, we are replacing that 250 square foot pool equipment building on the east side of the of the pool amenities area with like as stated previously, a modest 6 a modest increase of 656 foot pool equipment building. This proposed pool

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equipment building is located 407.6 ft to the nearest property line and 439.4t to the nearest residence. We'll shift to exhibit A3 which is the site plan rendering.

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So this will better show the the proposed improvements in in a zoom in view. Um, but what you can see here is there's we're replacing two existing pools with two proposed pools. One is a fulls size pool, standard pool, and the other is a kids pool for the kids to

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play in. Um, we're also providing other amenities. It's a brick and concrete stamp pavers, um, 3D standing trellis, there's tables, chairs, lounge chairs, etc. Just what you'd expect around a pool area, what's going to be existing

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out there. Um details of the materials to be used for this uh area will be provided during the construction building phase. Um in addition there's there's an existing fence we're taking down a retaining wall. We will be replacing that with a six foot high

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fence that'll be located here uh on the northeast side of the of the pool area. Um and that reduces to four feet as it extends down past the TE's here. um which is mimicking some of the existing conditions. >> Sorry if I made

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that's not considered a front yard. No issues with six foot uh fencing in that location. >> No, I don't think so. Yeah, because the the front property lines would be towards more.

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Some might refer, if there were one, they might refer to that as a quote unquote technical variance, but it does not exist in this particular case. >> Thank you. >> No problem at all. Um the fence will include latching devices for the gate

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entrance to the pool area which will be latched in accordance uh at all latch at all times when the pool is not attended and that's in accordance with attachment code section 16-5A. Um the proposed vinyl fence will basically separate the pool area from

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the course area. Um in between the fence there's going to be some landscaping on the outside of the fence and then there's a minimum three-foot gap between this fence and a retaining wall. Um that retaining wall is going to be less than six feet in height. Um and as such based

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on this layout no variance is required for this project. Um all the existing utilities will remain on site. Um and there just will be new connections to the proposed uh filter building for the full equipment. Based on the proposed improvements, the

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impervious coverage for the site will increase by approximately 0.5 acres. Uh an increase of greater than 0.25 25 acres of impervious coverage defines the project as a major development under NJP stormboard act regulations and um as such we've coordinated with the board

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engineer uh to confirm that this project is a major stormboard development. We confirmed about the design revisions required to the proposed storm water infrastructure to address the groundwater recharge and quantity requirements and we will comply with these provisions.

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As part of the demolition of the project, there's seven trees that need to be removed. Um, and as such, we are proposing to replace the 12 trees. Um, and that's going to be replacing a location in coordination with the township's forester. Um, a tree removal permit will be applied for and complied

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with for the project. Uh the current landscaping plan includes four trade shade trees, nine ornamental trees, 82 evergreen shrubs, 163 decision shrubs, 43 ground cover shrubs, 154 perennials, and 756 ornamental branches. We've

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coordinated with the town of Forester um and we've reviewed the design related the landscaping and um we are providing native and non-invasive CCR um as it relates to lighting around the pool area. The existing lighting of the clubhouse and the pool building uh near

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the pool amenities area will remain in place um and they're going to be maintained including the lights near the existing staircase. Uh we are proposing a few uplights just within the landscaping areas just for aesthetics. um and they will be similar in nature to

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the architecture on the property. We have applied for a soil erosion and sediment control permit from the Hudson Essex Pacific soil conservation district. It's currently under review. Um but we are including additional safeguards uh that will requested per the environmental commission report

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including silk fence at the downs portions of all district areas. I'm going to now go to the architectural plan which was included with the filing just to show uh everybody what the the

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pool build really looks like >> and if you could for me and everyone else hopefully as well just give us the last revised date on that. I'm assuming it's what was submitted with the application materials. >> Yeah, this was a issue date March 4th 2026.

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>> Thank you. No need to mark it separately as an exhibit. just please uh refer to any you know sheet numbers that appear on the architectural plans themselves if you're going from sheet to sheet. >> Okay. Yeah. I just have sheet number one A1 which is the filter room. Um and as

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previously discussed the 200 existing 250T building will now be slightly shifted in location and will be 656 ft to accommodate the proposed pool equipment for the two hills. Uh this additional 46 square feet of building

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space is what triggered us coming to the board for a minor site plan review. Um as you can see from the plan these different ele uh elevation drawings based on the topography building really is not going to be visible from from a

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distance. Um and that's just based on the grades here. Um it's really hidden by the land around it. So um with that uh there was a time fire official had had some comments related to the pool building um and we will comply with uh all the comments and

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construction of the building will require building permits to confirm all of the lighting and safety requirements by the township permit. >> Perfect. Um I think that you addressed a lot of the administrative comments in your testimony. Um, but if there are any

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other ones, um, I know you did review all of the administrative comments. Um, can you just touch on any ones that maybe you have not discussed already or maybe Yeah. >> feel like Yeah. So, I I prepared letter responses um to those comments, the

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letters May 20th, 2026 and May 28, 2026. Um and this was uh noting that we made some revisions to our plans in accordance with the comments from the board of professionals. Please completed PRC memo the forest serve board fire

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officials report and the board engineers report. Um, I also spoke with the board engineer regarding the May 28, 202.6 letter that we sent and we will adjust some of the landscaping um to provide access for maintenance purposes and that's around the inlets within the

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loweries area. In addition, we received the planners uh report and the understanding additional procedural and technical balance um through that report. We also received the environmental commissions report and note that the voting materials will be submitted as part of the construction

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process. So overall our intention here is to comply with recommendations raised by the board professionals. >> I don't have any other questions. >> Any questions from the board? Mr. Smith, >> we have one question uh for you. The building materials. So the environmental

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commission recommended that they be environmentally friendly. Is >> that's correct. Yeah. So as part of the that's that's a part of their review. Um they had some requests and that'll be reviewed as part of the building application process.

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>> Thank you. Do experts have any questions for Mr. Smith? >> I have no questions. I just we did uh have a meeting on this past Monday to go over the review comments. Um and I'm

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satisfied that they will address all the comments and that those comments can be a condition of any approval of this board. No issue. >> So we got a will comply on one through 16 and less and until we hear any objection from the applicant

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>> hearing none I I would say we we will comply based on the letters that were sub you know whatever based on our response submitted that is what we are >> agreeing to subject to the review and approval of our agencies

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>> correct >> towards it. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Satisfaction. Okay. >> No. >> Yeah. Just I know you covered a lot of the reports. I just wanted to to be fidious uh and and and make sure we got

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all of them. First of all, um there there was a recent approval unrelated I guess to this particular one uh with respect to tennis pickle courts if I recall correctly. So it's not necessarily a carry forward but uh so I

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guess you normally I I would say you know all prior approval conditions you know uh remain actually we'll still say that you know to the extent not inconsistent uh with this approval should the board approve this application

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>> uh acceptable. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Um the engineers memo May 21 was covered. the fire officials memo were to understand in full May 15, 2026 1 through 14 all conditions are will comply.

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>> Um again it's whatever is in those two um letters that have been submitted talk about all of these reports and exactly what is going to be done. about just >> well if any of I would just ask that if

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any of them are no we won't comply or a significant difference from what was requested by the fire official please let us know >> they're all acknowledged and we'll comply thank you >> uh I know there was a tra uh

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>> uh I guess no concern expressed from the traffic bureau of the police department so >> fairly you'll you'll comply with that one. >> Uh the Forester uh May 21, I uh believe you indicated

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uh that you'll comply. There's a May 21 and a May 13. They look to be the same. >> Yeah. So, we responded to May 13. >> Okay. I think the May 21 may have just been a It looks like it was redone with a new date. maybe because you submitted

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some revised plans in the intro, but uh um are you complying with the May 13, which is the same as the May 21 as far as the comments and there was one that was a true shade tree generally develops a large canopy. Um I I think

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there was >> there was something about the species as well. >> Yeah. So the the um the first comment speaks to about shade trees and that um you know what they typically carry and then we respond with you know the nature of the the pool area you don't want

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>> right I made a note of that actually so so >> so I guess that's not really a >> it's not a we'll comply I think it's a um and for coordinate with the yeah >> we'll coordinate with the forester >> right the issue of shade uh trees over

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the pool some people may want sun I think Yes. Okay. Um but the uh item two out of the two on the shape uh the foresters report is that a will comply? >> That is a um we provided additional information for the foresters review but

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we will work you know we will address >> subject to the review. >> Thank you. >> Is that where she talks about non-native? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I well I don't want to >> the forest will address that. No, no, because I just want to make sure.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I was about to say what I anticipate the response to be, but I should not do that. The the the um uh the uh and then the environmental commission uh report uh had one, two, three, four general recommendations.

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Storm water management, trees, landscaping, erosion, and building materials. Just to be clear, because there'll be a resolution regardless of uh what the determination of the board is. will be a resolution memorializing it. So, and if it's approval, it's going to address all the conditions. So, uh

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are we will stipulating all four as is or what are we doing specific? That's great. >> So, these were there were recommendations by the Environmental Commission. Um, yep. We I think we complied with storm

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water management based off of our report that was provided. Um, trees and landscaping provide information on the trees to be removed. The proposed plantings um and they ask for them to be refuted for compatibility will comply. erosion as stated in the

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testimony will comply and building materials we will be submitting as part of the building permit um application process >> and uh they will be energy efficient materials that can be sourced from renewable resources used and materials

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that are durable and longer lasting as >> I'm not sure if that's you know >> I think you'll do the best you can to meet the intent of what they're looking for but I don't I Some of it is perhaps somewhat subjective or difficult to

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quantify, >> right? >> So, but uh at least the spirit intent of it will be sought be >> correct. >> Okay. And sorry to be so fidious, but not sorry. I drafted resolutions.

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We want to make sure the board and the public want to know exactly what uh approved, what's being approved, and what conditions. Um and uh we are uh and you're good on

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uh and uh I think that covers it. Thank you, M. >> So the the existing pools are going to be demoed. >> Correct. So what sorts of precautions do you take to ensure that there's no

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hazardous hazardous material leeching into you know the land and that's there >> uh the material >> existing materials of the concrete yeah

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it's a concrete pools um so that the concrete will be removed and and um disposed of in accordance with DP regulations Okay. >> And I'm sorry, did you, if I may, as Mr. Chair, please I'm just noticing uh maybe

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it was addressed earlier, but uh in our planners very detailed as always June one report. Um there was a question with the pool gate specifications. Did you were you able to confirm that the gates would be equipped with approved latching devices and otherwise pool

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compliant? >> Yes. Yes. >> If you did it out loud, I missed it. My my apologies. >> Thank you. Sorry. Any other questions from the board? Are there any questions from the public?

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So, I do not hear any questions from public. I believe you are excused, Mr. Smith. Thank you. Thank you all. >> Do you have a expert witness? >> I do not. Okay. >> Just had a um very brief summation and

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that's it. >> Um the testimony this evening demonstrates uh that this is a straightforward application to improve and modernize the existing pool amenity that has long been part of Brook Country Club. The proposed improvements will enhance the functionality, appearance,

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and operation of the pool area for the benefit of the club members while maintaining the property's existing recreational use. The application requires no variances. The proposed improvements comply with the township's zoning and site plan requirements, and the only relief that had been requested

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were the limited checklist waiverss. These improvements are an investment in an existing amenity that will allow the club to better serve its members for years to come and represent a reasonable modernization that does not involve any expansion of or change to the property's

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principal use. The proposed improvements will enhance again the functionality, safety, and appearance of the pool area while remaining consistent with the conservation recreation zone and the property's longstanding private club recreational use. For those reasons, we respectfully request that the board

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grant the minor site plan approval. Um, and thank you for your time and consideration. Does anybody want to discuss the application? Any final questions? All good. >> Let's see if it helps, Mr. Chairman.

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It's uh minor site plan approval as I understand it fully conforming. No variances uh and the checklist waivers were already approved. uh and uh if it's an approval uh and a motion precurs I'll assume unless you tell me otherwise that

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it is with all the conditions stipulated to buy on behalf of the applicant as we've went through them in detail with respect to all the reports and I believe uh the uh tree removal and replacement was part of the environmental part as

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well but there was clearly a representation made seven trees removed replaced with 12 further foresters So, we will not lose that one, nor will we lose any of the other conditions. So, if it is a motion uh to grant the approval, I'll assume it's with all those

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conditions. Would anybody like to make a motion as Steve has stated? All right. I will make a motion to approve the application as noted by Steve. Would I have a second? Second. Roll call vote, please.

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>> Jonathan Baxter, >> yes. >> Alison Campfield, >> yes. Michael Cohen. >> Yes. >> Device. >> Yes. >> Michael Zion. >> Yes. >> Sergeista. >> Yes. >> Chair Gener. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you so much. >> Thank you very much. Thank you.

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>> All right. Next up on our agenda is the Environmental Commission presentation. And I believe we're gonna it's going to be over Zoom. >> Yes. um the uh our agenda is uh after this Oh, this is the old

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here. Yeah. After this presentation, it's the exact session. >> You want me to take the presentation now? >> I uh if it's on Zoom, it's being recorded. >> Uh it is. Yeah. I mean, I'll I'll leave it to the chair to make that executive determination, but I don't see why we

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would go enjoy the game. >> There you go. Mr. Chairman, if you don't watch the game, >> he was there. >> He was there, but >> he's okay. >> There you

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go. from home. >> Can you do that? from the environmental commission and uh also remotely we have Thomas Parker from uh Street Hydro. >> Hey Thomas,

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>> hi. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> we can hear you very well. >> And can you uh see my screen as well? >> Yes. Yes, we can. >> Great. >> Good. Good. So we're here to present uh the development environment resources

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inventory that uh took us about two years to update and the last time it was done on the Philippines. So 12 years uh I think it was 10 to 12 years to uh

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update it. So um this there was a group back that took uh Princeton Hydro Melbourne Environmental Commission and all the members participated and reviewed and drafted and now here we presenting it and uh hopefully we'll get

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that adopted uh tonight. The next slide. >> Um okay, sure. I I I guess uh I assume Jude is uh not making it. Do you want me to just cover? >> Yeah. Yeah. just forward if you can. >> Thank you.

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So um yeah, uh so what is a ERI environment environmental resource inventory? So it's a statutory planning document um by the New Jersey municipal land use law.

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Uh it's compilation of text, tables, maps and other visual information. I think it's mostly important in this version. That's uh a lot of uh interactive information there that provides the baseline for

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documentation for measuring and evaluating resources um that protect issues that it's uh objective index and description of features and their functions rather than interpretation of recommendations. So

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again it's just presenting the facts the resources not any interpretation uh the importance of an EI uh that is an important tool that that's I'm going to read the full thing I think you can read

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it uh for the the team well for our time um so the last time it was adopted 2014 and a lot of data even that time was used like 10 years behind. So as we

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reviewed it, we found you know many data used there was like 20 years old. So it's really uh important to update it and uh also there are things changed like the climate and flooding issues, land uses uh all those things are change

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that needs to be updated. uh and also it's it's a environmental stewardship that um we we uh want to create a snapshot that every 10 12 years. So just like reviewing this one that we went back several versions to compare that

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how the land use the population and so on so forth got changed in the last 20 30 years. Next one. Yep. Okay. And uh the very important thing here is the old one is a you know old PDF document. It's

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pretty much a reference resources. It's very difficult to um look up for something and the new one is interactive that uh we also plan to continue to update it as new data becomes available.

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Um and uh Thomas is going to show you how to use it. Uh so basically it's a interactive tools and there are a lot of inter interactive maps and uh you know things that you can use for the planning purposes and and other

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things and like public education as well. Let's go to the next one. >> So if I could just >> Okay, I think this one is just a quick movie, right? So >> Well, actually I I don't know if you could see my Can you see my mouse moving right now?

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>> Uh yes, I can. Okay. So, yeah, that was just a placeholder in case this didn't work. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> This is the presentation of the new ARI. It's um it comes through in the form of basically a website. Uh so you'll be able to link to it either through a URL

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or a QR code for people. You can put it on little posters and stuff like that and people can scan it. Um it's organized by discrete sections, which is usually pretty typical for these sorts of reports. Um so by theme um so for example if you wanted to just quickly read about waters and wetlands you could

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just jump right to that section and then within there uh you can jump around to different subsections. Um many the where this really differs this format uh where the benefits come from is a lot of like linking out and interactive mapping. So um in some ways it can even be used as a

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bit of a screening tool. So, if I wanted to look at a particular site, um I can go down to this wetlands map. It's running a little slow just because I'm sharing my screen, but um all the data will be um fully presented at the township level, but then also you can

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use this and fully just zoom in right to the site level. I can also go look for a site. So I can look for the Milbour environmental uh oh wait no Milurn Education Center. Um so I can see uh I could look at a

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particular address and then see what resources are around it. Um and then even click there and get some details on the data there. So that's like just some example of where this really shines and this applies to every section not just waters and wetlands. Um, so moving back on

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>> and the the map is a lot more accurate than the typical Google map. >> Yeah, of course. Yes. Um, so just to go over some key snapshots and highlights of actually digging into the data. Um, starting off with

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demographics. Um, so Milbour since the census uh was first being tracked, it spent a long time just precipitously growing up to 1970s, dropped off a little bit and since then um since 1990 has been growing back steadily. At this point, it's fairly

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stable. Um, where most of the changes have been observed since the sort of last check-in is demographically and by age. There's a lot more growing diversity in the community and uh different age breakdowns. So here's just some graphics showing the egg structure. >> If you're not familiar with these sorts

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of graphics, basically young populations at the bottom, older is at the top. Um, in this case, you can see what it's it's described as biodal, meaning that you have a somewhat large young population, some large middle-aged population, and then a smaller in between population.

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>> Just quickly here that u the younger population actually shrunk then the middle age moved up 10 years. for reference and people having >> and the the school age population also shrunk a little bit.

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>> Yeah. So so where this sort of intersects with environmental resources um is a lot of it has to do a lot with management. Um so these sorts of populations interact with the landscape a lot differently. Um for young populations things like environmental education program become important and

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for older populations things like accessibility become important. So that's sort of where this information intersects with the um moving on to land use. Uh again, this is another area where Milbourne is relatively stable. It's relatively built out. So we didn't see much change here. The mapping itself

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is a little bit more accurate. Um but for the most part, Milbourne is a largely residential landscape. Uh it's almost 50% residential. Um after that, the second most common land feature is forest. Uh that's mostly contained obviously to the South Mountain reservation.

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So those >> pause over here one little bit that the land use um the only thing we found in differences about land use is primarily due to the map accuracy change. So the map is much finer resolution much more

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accurate so that there some of the percentages start to shift a little bit but really there's not much of a material changes there. Go ahead Thomas. Um and so yeah, beyond that, for the most part, a lot of your

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green space is already contained to already preserved lands. There's not too much opportunity for that green space to be lost uh to development except for sort of smaller already uh fragmented areas. Um so at that sort of stage of a township, it becomes important about

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like preservation and enhancement of existing areas. Um, additionally, uh, in the new ERRI, we did enhance the sort of water resources section. The 2014 version was a bit limited. Um, it was mostly descriptive, had very limited mapping.

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So, we did incorporate some detailed watershed mapping. Um, and, uh, also added some more flood mapping and discussions of flooding. Uh, we've updated the flooding to the most recent FEMA studies, uh, which in this case would be from September 2020. uh added a

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bit more information about um post IDA conditions and um another thing that we couldn't add now because it doesn't exist but something that could be added to the future is future MS4 requirements have a lot of mapping components and since we already now have this interactive mapping um component to the

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those can sort of be married together um to create a an enhanced product >> yeah could be another layer have the uh the uh uh the the in uh the in the for the management inventory into that. >> Mhm. Yeah. It all uses the same tech on

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the back end. >> Helps it out. >> We've also uh improved the mapping for sort of the most major regulated resource areas, things like forests, wetlands, riparian buffer, tiny habitat, the things that usually um get flagged

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on a major project and interact with state regulations. um and also incorporated a somewhat new data set called the connecting habitats across New Jersey. This was uh developed um after the publication of your last. It's sort of somewhat related to T& species mapping. It has to do with how wildlife

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is able to move across the landscape and use it as a whole. Um we added this mostly because we think it's important that since Milbourne is built out and a lot of your areas are sort of the focus becomes enhancement preservation, this is a good tool for figuring out where those priorities are. Um the key thing

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is here about sort of mapping where constraints are related to like roads. Um things like culverts where culverts are blocking passage of fish and wildlife. Um and there's all sorts of sort of modern programs and techniques to encourage wildlife movement across the landscape to enhance these existing

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areas. Um another thing that we've incorporated uh a sort of co- benefit is your recent tree keeper inventory mapping. We were able to sort of pull that same mapping data, pull it into the eye. So now that's also fully interactive and that's something that can be continually

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updated as your tree keeper program gets updated. Um and we've also added a pretty >> just finished October last year so it's it's quite a bit writing time. >> Um and then we also added a pretty uh enhanced the discussion of climate

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change obviously since that is a big topic and there's a lot more state efforts and laws um around that issue. Uh so we gave a we tried to give a a good sort of publicly accessessible summary to climate change going over the latest uh science uh scientific report

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on climate change for New Jersey which is what the state is using for a lot of their regulatory revisions. Um and just tried to add a >> just just for those could not see the previous one. This is the temperature. This is the rainfall. >> Yes. Um yeah I and I can if if you're

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interested I can go a bit into the specifics. Um, so most of these predictions are at the state level. There's somewhat of a difference between North and South Jersey, but for the most part they're at the state level. Um, so current predictions have that by 2050, regardless of the emission scenario,

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we're going to see between an average of one and six degree increase in New Jersey and by 2100 um, that's going to vary depending on if we're in a bit of a higher emission scenario or lower. Um, and that's going to predict to be between 3 and 9 or 6 to 13. What this

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ends up leading to is going to be an increase of extreme heat and extreme precipitation. Um so the prediction is a pretty sizable increase of max uh of heat days, extreme heat days, days where temperatures are greater than 95 degrees. Um and that doesn't sound high,

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but having a lot of those stressor days can lead to a lot of morbidities, especially if power grids get stressed and you have power outages. Um where it comes to precipitation that becomes a bit more unpredictable uh just because of weather dynamics. Right now we're expecting uh the predictions are between

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a 2.3 in and 3.5 in increase um through the 280s. Um and where that sort of intersects with a township like Milbourne is sort of pluial flooding and older storm water systems that were designed with sort of older storms in mind. Um, so those are kind of the big

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highlights out of the climate change report for Milbour. Um, so that's pretty much the big highlights right now. Uh, the main benefits of this format, uh, this change in format is its public accessibility. It's more intuitive and it sort of

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brings um more interactive direct mapping to a lot more people without the sort of technical burden on them. Uh we've implemented this similarly with um with other townships and they've been able to incorporate in a lot of different ways uh with site review and

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even just sort of public engagement. Um and compared to the 2014 we tried to make the language a little bit more accessible too. Not we didn't take away from the analysis just tried to give it a little bit more uh accessible touchston for the public to tie into it.

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Um, so we're hoping that this can serve as a stronger basis for master plan updates, ordinance review, grant applications, and we're also hoping that it becomes a bit of a living document where the data can be continually updated rather than like every decade and that we can continually reference it and prove it over time. Um, so here's

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the link to the digital or here's a QR code you can scan and I'm happy to answer any immediate questions you might have. Sure. I've got one. You just said it can be continually updated. Does that mean this is a living document and we're

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using it to prepare for reference for the master plan, but then it's we're adding to it? I like the idea of it. I just don't know how that works. >> Um, yes. But yes and no. We do want to take a snapshot of this. So when we compare 10 years from now, we know what

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we're comparing with. But there will be a version that continue to update. So uh you know let's say uh that there's a new u temperature data or you know as the five stations are storing all these monitoring systems. So we'll have more

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local data. Yeah, we will adapt those into the data set but we also want to have a snapshot. So in the future when we do some historical comparison we have a snapshot. >> I have a question. You said it's being updated. Who's updating?

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>> Okay. So that's why we have been working with the township try to host this over here. So we have the full uh ownership. So this the URL history is showing probably will change as we uh adopted by the

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town. Then we will uh you know probably repost the the new URL and uh whatever the data is available that you know the ECO or the planning board or whoever found more information that should be incorporated then what you will be

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continue get this update. Yeah, to expound upon what um Jud is referencing is um this map this system is developed using RTS story map um it's a cloud-based solution provided by ESRI which is a map mapping company. They're kind of the old standard for GIS mapping. We have developed uh interact

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zone the interactive zoning map that you know you all have here for the township on the exact same platform. So there's interest in the township to manage its own system now and pull both of those components in and host it uh as as counties. you can add data and do more to that system. So, um that's a

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conversation that Jud's alluding to that we're kind of having with the administrator right now to kind of set that system up so that all these things can live together and it'll be great for the zoning information to talk to this environmental resource group too. So, we have all these things kind of overlay. They kind of start to see those relationships,

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>> right? So, for example, the open space funs to see some of the maps before they approve something. So, they already start using that. Mhm. >> How frequently do you update maps? Developer updates maps is there. >> I don't think the base maps will be

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updated that much, but some of the layers may have, you know, like MS4 that becomes available, we will incorporate into that you know like the tree maps or you know became available October last year. So we incorporate it

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into the system. If there any other things becomes available or you know more accurate front map or whatever then we will incorporate those. But uh the base map you know the the digital animation models those I don't think will be changing that much

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>> outside of preference of course. Um, so we opted for a lot of the base mapping to go sort of simple simplistic base maps to highlight the data layers, but if for some reason the township prefers a sort like an imagery base map for example, that is possible. >> Yeah.

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>> Does this system um project changing flood zones given climate change? I mean what our flood zones will look like? So >> it does not project or you know as we mentioned before it's an index system. We're just showing what it it is what

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has been. We're not projecting anything into the future other than you know the temperature will measure a little bit but other things we're not projecting you know if the flood will change or shift on to different areas. Yeah. So you you are projecting temperature but

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your temperature you said is going to be by 2100 that's going to change the flood zone in the town right but you >> correctly that may happen but some of the the main focus is on existing data

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it's much less on projecting or interpreting or you know uh doing that type of work this is much more on just presenting what it is now what it has give 10 years.

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>> Um so it is worth noting that um DP in their flood plane rules are considering projected flood planes. So they're the current New Jersey flood hazard area is essentially an attempt to match what they expect the 2100 flood plane to be

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per the same climate report that we are citing in this report. >> Right. That that's already in there. That's already in there. >> Yeah. So the New Jersey FHA is already kind of building in climate change. >> Yeah. >> Can I make a point on the climate change? This is all really good, but I do think there's a couple of weaknesses.

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Maybe if it's a living document, we can fix those. >> Sure. >> On the climate change first slide, >> the precipitation. >> Um I don't think that trend is significant. That looks almost flat to me. Is very high.

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>> Can you bring to Thomas? Can you bring to that slide? >> Yes. One moment. >> Sure. got like it as a quarter of an inch per decade and their the average is around 50 inches. >> Uh you're talking about the the rainfall >> I'm talking about rainfall the bottom right one >> this one this one. So I think it's worth

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pointing out that I mean if you put a like a confidence interval on that >> on this >> on the blue line >> so zero >> right right so so if you go back out to the slides we did in the text we did point out the peaks and valleys goes up

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and down a lot so the regression that fit line >> understand what variance is yes but the fit there is is not significant I'm sure if you actually calculate that the confidence interval includes zero for that slope And that that's okay. I mean it just means that again we're not trying to

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interpret it more as more of you interpreting on the left. You're saying increased rainfall intensity which actually doesn't directly relate to that graph. That graph's average rainfall per >> intensity does >> this is um this is observed rainfall what people normally call rain. They

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mean like storms are stronger. That's the argument people have is they say well the rainfall may not be increasing but the storms may be intensifying right >> so those >> we do include a discussion on that on the concept of flashier events um in the same because the the sort of statewide

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report discusses that and and just for the record that this graph is historical observation and we do also make note that the sort of precipitation projections are a lot statistically weaker. We didn't do our own sort of statistical analysis. We're just relying we're just reporting re-reporting basically what the state is relying on.

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>> Right? I'm just saying that the the evidence as presented and the claim of increased rainfall intensity it's not supported. Right? That's this graph doesn't support that claim. Not really. >> And the second one is on the next slide.

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Um the the high emission scenario RCP 8.5. >> That's been changed right now. uh it's it's been too extreme for a long time and now the various like climate authorities are moving to a more

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realistic high high emission scenario is higher than what we have right now but the trend that we're on is not going to match the RCP 8.5 out to 2100 with any probability at all. So I think for the purpose of like keeping this as a live document when that change is made by the IPCC I would change

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>> y >> that RCP 8.5 to whatever it's going to be called 6.5 or whatever it is but it will change those extremes for the high emission scenario. >> Yeah I believe that the new that the state um the state study because that's also sort of a living document intended to be updated and I I think they're also

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changing their RCT scenario. So I I would recommend that this report to sort of stay in line with the state um since they're also basing a lot of their regulations on it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. As we also in the in the narrative we mentioned that there is really no you

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know uh the county level town level of temperature and you know rainfall maybe varies a little bit but majority of them pretty much just using the the state level data. question on

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what were the criteria used to pick out what what what certain things I I don't know how to say this properly uh like there were certain wetlands picked out but we've we had one at uh a current a previous application just recently that talked about wetlands but it was

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outside the Fox Hill reser uh reserve, but it was literally next to it. It's not on the map, and it is identified as a wetland. Why was that one not included? And that also on the uh the urban forest, the chart of all the trees,

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>> what were the criteria for which trees you picked up? There are a lot more trees. It's just certain ones, >> right? I think, you know, again, this is from the the forester that the the tree keeper that they uh did the map last year. So, we're just incorporating that.

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I think she's saying the private property trees are not in there. The the trees documented are town trees. >> That's right. >> Trees are in the town. Yeah. >> That treekeeper is town trees also. >> So then that's not right because there's

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a tree in my neighbor's front yard. It's a huge maple tree not in the right way and it's listed on that map. And there's also maybe maybe the one my other neighbor is but I don't know. I was just wondering. But you know um that that's almost like a different project if we

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want to document all the the private property trees. >> Okay. >> Okay. And then as far as what the like little tributaries or >> Yeah. Thomas I think that's uh the wetland map is what you got from the

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state. >> Yes. Uh what we have presented here is statewide wetland mapping. Um, uh, the state also openly acknowledges that, um, at the local level there can always be pocket wetlands and smaller wetland areas that their mapping might miss, but that's sort of what they put out as a

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sort of screening tool um, for statewide analysis. If you do have any sort of local wetland mapping, of course, the system can be updated with that information, >> right? And also the state um somewhere in the document I mentioned that since

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they changed uh the the level classification they have not done a full survey based on the new new law. So that's definitely could be possible that that pockets are not matching

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after the standard is after the standard changed that not all the surveys are updated. Yeah, the next iteration of New Jersey um wetland mapping, if I had to speculate, should come out around between now and 2030ish. Um so that would be the sort of next time I would

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assume they would incorporate that the change in mapping. >> Yeah. Okay. And say that one more time. It will the the local surveys will be done by the next change in mapping. So the state has a an ongoing statewide

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land cover mapping effort and and that's the part where they map wetlands across the state. And so if they change standards of how they map wetlands, it it won't be reflective until their next iteration, which I assume should be released around 2030. It's usually on a fiveyear cycle. So like right now they

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have 2020 mapping that was released in 2025. Um >> so I imagine they'll release 2025 mapping in 2030. >> Okay. And as as we go through these in the planning board, is there is there any way that we can update that information with the stuff that we received? We dealt with another property

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165 Old Shore Hills Road where there's a a little brook and riparian zone, everything that's not listed on that map either. >> If there were, it would be with New Jersey D. I could try to find out if there's specific office for that sort of thing. I don't know if that's a sort of

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program that they have to be able to take local information like that or if their if their sort of programs are at the state level and they don't really do that >> right often that the project will do their own survey and provide the updated

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data. So like the high school um curfield that they they did the research but there was no updated mapping and they did their own mapping and got certified by the state. it it doesn't match with the new gross regulations

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whatever. So that's probably the situation for many other pockets that the uh front uh level is raised but the mappings are not there. No updated map until like Thomas said 23 anyway.

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>> So we we don't have the ability to update it and it's going to live more so with >> yeah I for us there is no funding here to do any field work. We're basically just collecting data presenting the data. there's no money to you know do

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the water quality test or soil test or survey things like that but that is technically feasible like now that you have the system if you have staff and technology to run it then like that sort of thing can be implemented

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>> okay great thank you >> okay questions >> I do just that brought up a very good point. So, is there grant funding for things like this on a local level?

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>> Um, I I know that ANJ and um I believe Sustainable Jersey often has funding around and environmental commissions. I don't know that I'm not sure how that would interact with it being a living document because I I think the general

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most sort of municipalities don't ever really treat it like that. So I I feel like a lot of the grant work might be related to sort of just upgrading and uh uh making a new one. >> So it might require a bit more um sort of direct conversation and and there

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>> or maybe a part of green space or >> or maybe if like if there's a grant around a particular because remember the touches on a lot of different sort of sub areas. So, if there's a grant around storm water and around the MS4

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um had a funding last year to do the inventory. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if Melvin applied or got that. I I'm still trying to figure that out to myself. Where did that inventory go? >> Um but you know that's if that's

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available as we said we would like to incorporate into this. >> Thank you. Any other questions? Yeah. >> Oh, thank you, Mr. Wall. No, I'm good. Mr. Chair,

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would be uh with the chair's permission helpful maybe to just sort of give a summary of context for potential master plan uh uh processes going forward and where the ERRI might fit in. >> Sure, happy to. So I did distribute and I hope members received a copy of just a

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memo and advisory memo that our office prepared regarding the environmental resource inventory which is a really great foundational document um that you know provides the technical basis for u future land use planning master plan policy development review and potential zoning amendments for the capital to

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consider. Um the ERI most uh substantively can support the preparation of a conservation plan element element for the master plan for um municipality. Um the conservation plan element provides for preservation conservation utilization of natural resources including the extent appropriate energy open space water

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supply forests soil marshes wetlands harbors rivers and other waterways um so that's an additional element of the master plan just like we did the open space and recreation element the conservation element is another one um the can also provide the factual basis for um land use plan element updates um

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and under um recent uh amendments to state laws I guess a few years Now, um when municipalities do complete an update or amendment to their land use plan, they're required to complete a climate change and hydro vulnerability assessment. That can also be uh is an

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opportunity for us to leverage the ERI to de develop that assessment document. Um and then finally, um the ERI can also be used to support any type of master plan re-examination. Um the re-exam is an opportunity for the township to go through the master plans um any new elements and identify any

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inconsistencies between master plans and identify any zoning changes or recommendations but also recognize the now exists of the document and that we should work to facilitate implementation of those areas and recognition of those. Um so this is really a very foundational

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tool for the the council to leverage as it move forward in addition planning efforts. >> And if I may Mr. Jim, if I understand correctly, uh, uh, from the we have a 20, uh, the last time we did this was 2014. >> Yes.

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>> Uh, was that an whether it was an ERRI or an NRI? >> That was ERI. >> ERI at the time. Okay. >> I think before that >> before that it was >> it's an older term. Yes. NRI. >> Yeah, I know. I'm showing my age again, but the the the the um,

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>> but so it is it does exist. It is a part of our it was previously adopted as part of our master plan if I understand correctly either in the context of a conservation element or separately as an appendix. I'm not quite sure referred to in the 2018 master plan reamation

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update. >> Ah that's when it was how it was done. Okay. And there's at least maybe the uh possibility of incorporating what's anticipated to be the updated version in some way, shape or form through this

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>> body as the gatekeepers as I always like to say of the master plan uh uh down the road perhaps as a master plan re-exam or otherwise. Correct. >> Yes. Correct. So, so this is a a tool that can be utilized, I

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guess, immediately. Um, but it can be even more formally adopted, this updated version uh prospectively by us as a planning board as we go forward. Fair to say,

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>> yes, correct. >> All right. Any questions? Sounds good. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. >> All righty. On to our next order of business. >> Yes,

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>> please. Uh but we have pending uh executive session if the board chooses to go into it. Pending litigation case number 225 CD 17318 SDW the high center for Judaism Inc. versus

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township of Milbour, New Jersey and Township of Milbour, New Jersey, Flour. Right. And I think, Mr. Chairman, as we've done in the past, this is our last item, we can let the members of the public know that after the executive session, we'll only be reopening the meeting to adjourn the meeting. There

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will be no further public business done in the open session. Um, but with the chair's permission, I'll uh abbreviate the executive session resolution. uh um whereby the nature general nature for the subject matter is pending

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litigation the high center for living Judaism uh matter docket uh CD17318 uh in federal court um and it's anticipated deliberation conduction close session will be disclosed to the public on determination by the board that the public interest will no longer

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be served by such confidentiality and it is an exception any litigation is an exception from the open public meetings act. Hence, we can have a closed session. Uh so we do have a formal memorialized resolution to that effect. It'll take effect immediately. I just

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asked uh the chair for uh to have us do a motion second a roll call. Make motion to go into executive session and adopt the resolution as Steve has stated. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Jonathan Baxter. >> Yes.

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>> Alison Dfield. Yes. >> Michael Cohen. >> Yes. >> Debra Neves. >> Yes. >> Michael Zion. >> Yes. >> Sergio Sisto. >> Yes. >> Chair Gaston Hacker. >> Yes.