Yeah, we still >> weird toilet paper that In accordance with section five of the Open Public Meetings Act, chapter 231, Public Law 1975, be advised that notice of this meeting was made by posting on the bulletin board at town hall and
serving the officially designated newspapers a list of meeting dates annually indicating that this meeting would take place at the Milbour Board of Education Education Center building at 700 p.m. on September 28th. >> David Redford
>> here. >> J Rosen here. >> Reginair here. That's not >> okay. So, um just to start for anyone who's in the audience, I want to announce that calendar 3974-24
that is 389 Milbour Avenue, that matter has been carried to December 8th, 2025. And in case anyone is here for calendar 4023, um that is 31 Telvic Court. The applicant is Gregory Tolkinsky. That
matter has also been carried to December 8th, 2025. >> Oh, okay. And also, sorry, we have calendar 40 452. What?
>> Oh, okay. Um, that uh 167 JFK Parkway, that's NJ. that applicant is going to need to renotice um and they're renoticing for the uh November 3rd 25. >> Okay. Um all right. Next we have
approval of minute. Um this is for uh the meeting on August 11. And are there any corrections or changes, additions, anything? Uh, do I hear a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve the minutes from August 11th,
2025. >> All in favor? >> Those have been approved. Um, and then next we have a few memorializations. The first is calendar 4044-25 of Mueller at 417 Wyoming Avenue,
Milburn. Um, first of all, who's eligible to vote on this? >> Eligible are David Bradford, Gary Rosen, Virginia, Stephen Cohen. >> Okay. Um, are there any uh corrections or changes to this? >> I will send some to Rob. I don't know if
he um sent new copies out. They're minor typographical kind of things. Nothing of substance. No need to walk. >> Yes, please. >> Okay. Um on this one on page one, number one, um second line, we deleted the word
to um number four on page two. Um number four, let's see, fourth line down. Um a building height of 48 ft from the lowest elevation. And then again in the next line, permitted building height from lowest elevation.
Uh number five, third line, proposed addition. >> Believe those corrections weren't circulated, were they? >> I don't think I don't She said she sent them to anyone else. >> Can we still It's still okay to vote on
it now that it's been to the record. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, so with those uh corrections, would someone like to make a motion? >> Motion to approve the memorialization for calendar number 404-
>> second. >> David Bradford, >> yes. >> Gary Rosen, >> yes. >> Troulet, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Next up, we have calendar 404625. That's Maguire at 109 Sagmore Road,
Melbourne. Who would be eligible on this? >> David, Gary, Virginia, and Steve. We'll see. >> Okay. Um any uh corrections or additions changes? Would someone like to make a motion? >> There was um one correction on page two,
number six, um the applicant's licensed architect. And then on page five, the bottom line and change to 16. >> Okay. With with those um changes would or corrections, would someone like to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve.
>> Have a second. >> Second. >> David Bradford? >> Yes. >> Gary Rosen? Yes. >> Regina Trin? >> Yes. >> Stephen Cohen? >> Yes. Uh, next we have calendar 4047 Saunders 68 Southern Slope Drive. Um,
who's eligible on this? >> Same people. >> Same people. Uh, any corrections on this one? What was the date of this one? >> I don't have that. >> The date >> the Yeah. Was this a August 11th? Yes. >> Oh, okay.
>> Um, this was the same on page six had to be changed to six. This was also I'm sorry the page change on this one on 68 southern slope. >> Yes. >> Oh, it's on it's Sanders. Okay. It's it's Sanders, not Saunders. Okay.
>> Yeah, that was >> okay. No problem. Um and okay, with that with that minor uh correction, is there someone who'd like to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion. I'll second >> David Bradford.
>> Yes. >> Gary Rosen, >> yes. >> Regina TR, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. And finally, we have calendar 4031-25. This is Malbec from 23 Dorset Lane Short Hills. Are we talking about the same
people or was this >> uh this one was a different date. So eligible are David Bradford, Gary Rosen, Nelino Roberts, and Josie. >> Okay. Um any corrections or additions?
>> There was a correction on page one, number one. Second line, we remove word who after an uh page four, the third line connect is changed to connected. Um
page five, the third line, existing dwelling was set back. That was changed to two words. And then three lines later, uh 13 ft to 10 ft making the change to the
all. >> Um okay, with those uh corrections, would someone like to make a motion? Motion to approve the memorialization calendar number 40315. We'll >> second it. >> David Bradford. >> Yes. >> Gary Rose. Yes. >> Roberts. >> Yes.
>> Joseph. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um so first up for tonight we have calendar 4041-25. The property location is 71 Glory Drive. Um and the applicant is Don Barasar.
Hi. Welcome. Um yeah, me again. Everyone who's going to be testifying is born in raise your right hand please. You swear for affirm testimony about given tonight's proceeding be true of truth. >> I do. >> I do. >> Your name's record. >> Thank you.
>> Your your name. Just spell that please. >> S H A D E T A M I S I. Thank you. Daniel, my name is Enen. Enc Thank you. >> Okay. Are you gonna start out?
>> Yeah, sure. First of all, good evening everyone and thank you very much for giving your case. My name is Sanjay Parasar. Uh she is my beautiful um house. What do you call? Um we are the resident of 71 Troy Drive.
Um we've been living in this house for more than 12 years now. Um and we have been part of this beautiful town and community for almost 15 years now. Um and uh we bought this house in 2014. Uh it's a beautiful house. We loved it back
then. Um and then you know as our family grew and now we have two children. Um you know it's a kind of hardship for us because we just have three bedrooms. >> Yeah. >> Uh with elder one growing up he needs a separate bedroom. Younger one growing up he needs a separate bedroom. And when
the parents or any guests come over, we don't have a bedroom. Um we've been trying to adjust for last two years. Ever since COVID happened, we have to also convert uh some small area into an office. Uh so that is kind of resulting in lot of you know tussle in the family
when my parents come we have to kind of literally request them to stay downstairs in the basement. uh this time around when they were here uh they were really like please don't get us here next time until you really find some solution for us. So it was it was really bad and sad for us that we couldn't even
you know have our parents living with us on the same floor and and be part of the family in the day-to-day life. Um so we are here to request you a little approval for adding two more bedrooms on the top. So that will you know help my family um you know stay in this house.
>> And to add more clarity when we moved my son my older one who's three now was uh of three years old and co hit and we have another baby he's four and a half. So there's a 15year-old and like under five and they both need a separate
space. Our older one is in high school now and he's a proper room and he can focus and not get disturbed by the young going on because he's like he doesn't think that the older one is not his age and you know it kind of disturbs his uh
studies as well. There's always you know little fight for the stage where we can >> it's all same floor and we need separate floor so we can have some space for everyone including our visiting parents.
>> Thank you and with that I will hand you over to Danin who will provide you all the technical details uh that >> any question for us. Hi. Could you just start by giving us your >> Sure. Is that right if I use the edge of
the table up here? >> Yes. Uh I'm uh name is Danielson. I'm the uh principal of Men and Design Architects. I'm a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey. I've been licensed since uh 2007. Uh my license is a good standing. uh presented in front of this board and all the adjacent
municipalities over the course of the past 10 years multiple times. >> Thank you. Uh before before I begin with um with the technical details in the presentation, uh this this is representative of what you have uh with no changes in the packet uh for the
variance application. in uh running through uh and checking details and uh looking throughout this uh we actually uncovered a uh a map error um in terms of a previous iteration of the footprint of what was being added uh for building
coverage. So I have a secondary site plan here uh that I would need to put in an exhibit and I have uh 11 copies 12 copies of that. So that final market for today is the same date.
>> It is. No, it's a new date. The uh the date of the revised sement is 9.6. Yeah, thanks. So the only change to this that you'll see um two things uh one is the area that is proposed added building
coverage uh is now differentiated shaded in red just to make it clear as to where it is and then that piece which originally was listed uh at uh in addition to the house at 234 square feet of added building
coverage. The actual we had had a previous iteration that was out a bit further in an effort to reduce as much as we possibly could. We had pulled that in. So the actual footprint of what's depicted here is 173 square ft not 23.
So it is the proposed building coverage is 61 square feet less than what is proposed in the average. You have a percentage change on that? >> Uh I could figure it out. >> Yeah. >> Sure.
>> 173 square feet, right? >> Uh yes, it's 173 square ft. Uh and so yeah, actually the percent of communities listed uh at the bottom, it's it's it still actually works out to be the same as 18.89%.
Because the size of the square footage change was small enough that by rounding up to those last digits, it's the same percentage, but it is 61 square ft less than the 234. Uh so the property is 71 Troy Drive.
It's located in the R4 zone. It's a conforming lot. Has the required amount of lot area. Uh it's only by a little bit. Uh the original home was constructed in 1965. Uh and as you can see from looking at the site plan, uh the the home had been
added on to uh years uh prior to uh to current owner. And you know, the house kind of sprawls throughout the property. There's the main body towards the front of the property. Um there's two legs that come back and then there's the
additional leg which has a thin hallway, a circular stair tower piece uh and then an additional whole living area uh and bedroom space towards the back. Uh so it it kind of spraws throughout the property and is a bit disjointed uh with
these kind of legs of the building coming off going towards the rear. Uh and directly behind the house uh there is a courtyard type patio uh and then there is an existing inground pool that is behind that. Uh and then as you go
towards the rear on the right hand side to the back quarter of the pool, there's what's labeled as an existing shed on the survey which is a shed used for some storage but is also partially a cabana for the pool. And so that is kind of currently there and I did a breakdown on
this uh updated site plan that shows uh what that is in terms of coverage. So the existing house as it stands right now uh taken at the foundation is uh 3696 square feet of building coverage. Uh the
existing shed/ban structure is 156 square ft and that's how we get to the existing 3852 uh which is the 18.07% building. Uh so currently while a number of the
other aspects of the property um and the house form some of the requirements the building tolerance is clearly way beyond what the 14% that's allowed for the zone. In looking at that there is no there is no second story on the house current. U
there is uh basement space. There's some exposed uh garage in the basement coming from the lefthand side where the driveway comes in. uh but we have kind of a a low uh pre-existing singlestory house which you can see in the photo at the top of the uh the survey. So the
proposed work um in essence is to take some of the bedroom space from the main level and move bedroom space up to the second floor proposed second story edition uh in order to free up some living area at the first floor and make the house more usable and then also be
able to have right now it's very limited on bedroom space. uh it's to add additional bedroom space um as as they were describing for uh family members and for their you know their children who are you know we're growing need more space than what they currently
uh there was an attempt in looking at the design of Startwood to not propose any additional building coverage because of of how much previously there was on its property because of all these various kind of extensions and additions that go out over time. Um but the issue
that arises is that the right hand side of this page proposed a score plant to the left hand side because of the length of these previous additions and existing footprint um there's a a scroll down version uh to show you kind of the
entire layout of the house. But as you enter into the house from the front, currently that wall runs itself here and there's a whole favorite walkway and front stoop in this area. When you come in, there's about six ft of space and then you're entering
directly into the living area of the house. is the main living room um which uses the family room. And then you have currently kitchen, dining, uh and office space off to the right. And then the office and bedrooms are located off to
the left within this long hallway that runs down leading to a primary bedroom suite that all the way disjointed at the end of the house over. Uh so as we looked at various layouts trying to incorporate a staircase into the house and entry into the house without adding
any additional building coverage um every step of the way because of where the main families for urban space is located there there was no place to to locate a staircase any place you could it eliminated one of the living areas. Uh so the proposed work that is shown
and the 173 square feet is right now outside of the house where the main entry doors are there is a uh an existing kind of stoop area that spans that that middle of that horseshoe or U-shape of the house um that is all pa has multiple steps and goes down to
patio and walkway down below. So the proposed work is to where these existing walls are shown here is to fill in this small amount of space to deepen that a little bit in order to have a usable
entry and foyer space and then also have enough width to incorporate a staircase that goes up into the house without essentially taking away or eliminating the living space that that is there currently which is already a bit tight. Uh so that then goes up to the second
story. Uh that staircase comes up, wraps around. Uh there's open walkway here. Uh and then there is uh in in this new design with the living space taken at the first floor, there's primary bedroom suite uh to the lefthand side, a small
office space. And then there is an additional bedroom space uh master bath at the right hand side uh with a covered uh deck area towards the basement below. There's currently a twocar garage located in the basement below coming in the left side of the
house. Uh and part of the proposed work is to utilize existing space and existing foundation that's there. uh hollow out and create an addition garage door to get an additional garage bay in that basement space without adding any addition to the house.
So on sheet A5 you can see on the front elevation we have the existing kind of branch style house. Right now, there's currently two a thick roof over each wing of the house and then there's this horseshoe shape at the inside where there's a kind of a tapered stoop uh and
walkway at the center. So, the proposed work is to fill in a small amount of that space, create a little bit of a a three-foot bump here to create some kind of cover from the weather at the front entry door. Uh and then to construct a
second story addition across that middle band of the main body of the house. uh which is specifically consistent and trying to be in line with uh many of the other homes that run right along Troy uh that go through there. Uh there's many examples of of similar homes that have
kind of second story in this way with then some smaller first story that comes out the uh even the back end of the house and we can see that here. This is all on this right side elevation pre-existing house. um the lower slunk depth roof would be removed and the second story
addition above um the the width of the house is remaining constant with what's there currently. We're not proposing to widen the house in any way. Um so the the variances that are being requested uh are for uh the building coverage um
for this filledin portion at that existing favored uh stoop and walk area which kind of sits in between the two wings of the existing house. Uh and then looking back at the site plan, the house is skewed to the property. So
we have um at that front right corner where we have a twotory um element we have 21.1 speed. So almost informing with the required setback, but the property cuts in as it goes back. So at the back corner of where the second
story divisions proposed uh from that angle it shifts from 21.1 to 16.3 because of the angle of the property. Uh and then the existing uh the existing house as it stands uh is uh you know
performance the combined site setback two but that is not being intensified in any way. That would just be basically an extension of the existing non-conformance by going up into thin lines as well the side of the house. >> Yeah, that's okay. Um yeah, how many
bedrooms are existing right now and how many have you? >> So go ahead. >> You can. So basically we have um you know three bedrooms that are operational
right now and we are adding two bedrooms on the second >> and are any of the bedrooms being added in that the part that you're adding that you're requesting a variance for? I think it's front part where that foyer is. >> Yeah, the central space >> it looks like. Are you adding a bedroom there? >> No, we are not.
>> That's just making a twotory foyer. Correct. >> That is making Yes. the space for the foyer uh entryway and then the staircase. >> Okay. So that so what you're asking for for variance isn't that >> no there's no internal stuff to add the bedrooms >> correct we we comply and conform with
the for area ratio and all of those other aspects um the bedroom space with that is not the issue it's the access to it which is the the hall and foyering surface >> so you need that you need to add that two twotory foyer can add access to the new bedrooms
>> well we need yeah because because this is kind of centrally located and creating a second story above this. It wouldn't be feasible to put second story on the back of something or all the way on these back legs or portions. So to create an attractive home from the
front, but also to keep it relatively centrally located, the second story, as you typically expect, is only over kind of the main body of the house. It doesn't extend out onto these other >> I'm just asking if do you need a barrier to it? >> Yeah.
>> Okay. open up the second question. >> Um, I think the thing was that was striking to me when I to the property today was that appendage building that's that brick building that was permitted, fully permitted to allow everything. >> I have no information about the previous
>> because it's different than the rest of the house. It's it's quite striking >> temporary and somewhat object shaped >> and it's got that. So, and there's some bedrooms in there as well. Correct. >> That whole back section uh is This section that you're referring to
back here, this is an extremely long hallway. >> This is a like a stair piece. >> That's Is that a staircase in there? I didn't know. >> Yeah, there's a circular stair that goes down to the basement piece. >> Oh, wow. And then this entire piece is a
pre-existing primary bedroom, >> which is it's quite >> it is quite but that's done. >> Okay. So, you don't need a barriers to add the two bedrooms. >> No, we have >> going to the second story. Um, you do
need a barrier for as that second story goes up the rear right side of the bedroom for that second story. But the coverage, do you mean >> the coverage? Uh, no. Going because we're only going above, it wouldn't impact the coverage for the second story. So, there's no variance for that
second story. >> But you're asking for a variance because you're covering the front that front area is creating the >> correct the area for the staircase and the entrance to the house. So we don't basically take the existing family living room and shorten it so much that
it becomes unusable. >> Clarifying question. So I didn't drive past but didn't actually go in. >> So from Troy Drive as looking at the property on the left hand side of you know the rear there is like that structure. Is that the one that you're
talking about where it's sort of like sits out there but it's quite imposing as in like you know the the roof is like higher than the existing property. >> Yeah. I mean it's flat. It's not so much higher the great slopes of that in that area. So yeah and it's also a completely
different material right which is being would be proposed in what we're doing here to make the material of the home consistent. >> So that's that part that you >> Yeah. That back part has like a couple different types of siding on it. There's a lot of vertical more temporary siding. >> The current house uh is mostly brick
veneer. And what we're proposing to do, you can see on the floor plan the dash line running all the way around the building. We're proposing to remove the existing brick veneer and then uh use a stuckco three coat cement stucco finish on the entire building. So it it at
least becomes even if we're not changing the shape of that back portion, it becomes more consistent visually with what the rest of the house is. >> Can I just I just want to make sure because I had something else but you have three bedrooms currently and you're adding two, but I thought I heard you
say three bedrooms right now. Um and uh we need two more bedrooms second floors. So um and we have two kids and our visiting parents currently everything is on the same floor and the layout is very odd like our master is towards the rear
end you don't have you know you can't see the kids and then there is one bedroom in the front and then one bedroom like somewhere in the middle so kids are also separated and our in-laws or my parents they have to go to the basement uh for the room and due to
their health conditions they cannot climb up the stairs so we will try to give them a room on named girl. They both have fighters and um friends would be >> um along the left side. It appears in the first floor plan that there are
three what look like bedrooms with individual bath. So, and then there's the one at the back office. It's not a three bedroom. >> You don't use it as a bedroom. It's actually it's not even a bedroom anymore because u of the size
>> the size of small the current space of that without the additive piece right here is is quite small. >> What is it? >> Uh I can I can scale it. Oh no that's expanded. >> It's actually expanded. The um the the
existing the front to back dimension is 137. Uh and when we subtract the roughly four feet that it expands into the added area, it's about roughly around 12 feet. So it's about 12 by 13 u of that space.
And >> uh so so yes, I mean could that physically be used as a bedroom space right now? It could if they didn't have the need of of office spaces with the house. >> Interesting. Oh, so it's a fourbedroom
house though. Yeah. Right. So, if you look at this front area, right? Regardless of how the house is used, right? Exactly. Yeah. Currently, there's there's one bathroom here, which could be utilized by these two rooms. There's an onsuite bathroom for this bedroom. So, that would give
you three bedrooms here, and then there's that large master suite, a primary suite, the rear. So, it would be classified as a fourbedroom. >> Thank you. And yes, in the front here with what's proposed, they the office
space at the main level is of a must for for what they do. Uh and so this space is currently used as an office and they want to use it still as an expanded office. So they would have the one, two, three bedrooms with then the two bedrooms up at the second floor or five
bedrooms. That's the one at the back. >> That's what I was talking about. The one at the rear Does the expanded office have a closet? >> Uh, it has the there is a current closet which is about 5 and 1/2 ft wide that's a standing two foot depth.
>> So that could technically be also a bedroom. >> It does but >> I mean I know what you're using it as but like >> a realtor would list it. >> Yes, you could list >> realtor would list it. So it's a fivebedroom house. >> No. No. Currently it's a fourbedroom house. There is one, two, three, four
bedrooms. >> All right. Thank you. >> This what they're what they're attempting to say and what it is is yes listed for the realtor that could be utilized as a bedroom. Currently, it is utilized as the office. >> For getting the utilization, >> correct? >> Okay. So, we've established four. Okay.
>> That is correct. >> Including the big master in the back. And the prayer room that calls it or >> uh the prayer room does not have a >> questions from the board. >> Um you're in an R4 zone, correct? >> That is correct.
>> You know the minimum square footage our zone lot areas. >> I believe 20,000. >> Correct. And you know what? You didn't mention what your coverage is here. You don't have >> Yeah, we're 21,000. Um, yeah, we're conforming lot >> F1.
>> Yeah, the worksheet. They were 21,312 ft. >> So, you're only a little bit bigger than the required in the zone. >> That is correct. And the sideyard setback in that zone just from that same sheet >> uh sideyard setback uh required for
single story up to 18 ft is uh 15 ft and uh you know the gradient going up to a full uh full second floor would be 22 feet. >> They have a neighbor to the right hand side and he's really sitting on that line
too. Yeah, that the current neighbor there uh their home this twotory home it's actually uh it's it's about 10 feet off the side. >> Yeah, I see it in the service 10 ft. It's actually two and a half stories actually pretty imposed. >> It it kind it looms over their house agree.
I mean, do you know the only way to tell that this appendage that's there is conforming >> to what >> that this property has a sort of a jut out added on that that's um
not typical but >> side that I don't know um building coverage is currently >> it clearly doesn't conform to the building. >> Okay. >> But um yeah, I don't know. I don't know
how long ago it was research though. >> I mean, just looking at it when I was here yesterday, it seemed like it was done at the late 70s. Would you agree with that or >> Yeah, my guess would have been mid70s. The house was built in ' 65, >> so I'm assuming maybe eight to nine years into that. Just the materials and
the finishes inside. great 1970s, all of the materials, the hardware, all of it. But I I don't I don't know specifically when it was constructed. That's just based on on what I'm seeing that's in there. >> Yeah. No, how no work has been done to the house for from that point in time
onward. The original finishes and bathrooms, I mean, minimal things with tile and other things, but the the house itself, the materials within the house are all from that same late 60s, early 70s era. Any other questions from the board? Just
real quickly, what was like when you um tell us what the hardship is? >> Sure. >> Or why you need a variance and what under the law? What was that? >> Yes. So looking looking I mean I guess few two few separate aspects um were
fairly clear for the uh the sideyard setback um it's an odd shaped lot in the sense that you know skews inward um so the house is not square to the property so even though it starts at 21.1 from that sideyard that that property line
cuts in obviously we can't shift the angle of the house and so we're that's the resulting 162. So that uh obvious shape aspect of the lot um from the required sideyard setback um for the building coverage um the the hardship
being a a pre-existing structure and home that has been here um for years and years with no additional work to it. Um bought as is. uh and the ability based on where all of the elements are in the
house. um and and the fact that we're starting with a situation where this was clearly overbuilt from a building coverage standpoint. um that you know conforming in the other aspects uh in terms of you know floor area ratio
the various setbacks the building height um but with the pre-existing locations and odd shapes of all these elements uh it makes creating something internally uh that's that's effective and actually allows you to get second floor space um
up above in a clear way um virtually impossible. Um, and so needing that small amount of space, uh, is, you know, in order to get that circulation and that ability to not compromise the pre-existing living spaces within the
house. Any question uh from the audience? Um, are there any comments from the audience? >> Um, uh, okay. I'm going to close the public portion of the meeting and I would like to, um, hear everyone's
thoughts on this. >> Want to start? >> Uh, it's an interesting um proposal. in the sense that it really does significantly enhance the floor area ratio of the house. You don't go over on
floor area ratio. So just I mean the sort of massing of the house changes dramatically. Yeah. But still, you know, you didn't go over on F. Um and uh on that street there are some houses that are twotory and there are some that are
not. Um it's certainly going to be a you know, a large house. I don't think the um the asks are particularly large um in terms of the variances. Um
and so I, you know, I um I feel like I should have more of a problem with it, but I sort of feel like I um I'm not sure why. I think but I think I I think I could be supportive of it. Um,
but hear what I was say. >> I'll go next. So, um, it is an odd setup there with that appendage house. So, I I applaud you for trying to make it look more cohesive. Um, I don't say try to fix those steps because they're very left. They go up to the back. That was I
didn't even go up. I just >> because I was like, okay. So, they're probably not. But, um, I'm fine with this sideyard setback. I can kind of see. and your other your neighbors are also kind of like that, but I'm am concerned about the building coverage because you don't need that to add a
bedroom. I can understand you want a bedroom. It seems like that's more aesthetics and I think if you worked a little harder, you might be able to get rid of that building coverage even though you're big. It's a big lot. You're not undersized lot. You're already over you're exacerb exacerbating
already over my right. So, I feel like maybe if you could whittle it down a little and get conforming that building coverage, I could support it. But I'm I'm I'm not in support of going over the building coverage for to add a twotory floor. I'm kind of with Gary on a lot of the
stuff I looked. I think this is generally a good thing to do with the second story. you know, there's other second stories in the neighborhood. Um, the sideyards were always going to be here because that's pretty kind of pre-existing. The
front area, I'm very ambivalent about it because it um, as Regina points out, it does exacerbate an already bad condition. >> Having said that, it sits in between the two arms and you can't see it except
from straight on. Um, and it it doesn't jut out. Um, I've been playing in my mind around whether, you know, you run from the 234 to the 176 by was that a math error or was it something else?
>> Well, we had we started out with an iteration that was 234 where the front face of that addition. >> Okay. So, that's been pushed back a little bit. >> So, I've pulled it back to to further reduce. It couldn't go back to the stair. Um you it couldn't go back cut across that
stair. Obviously that cuts out access the hall on the right. >> Uh um we could because originally there was access through to the prayer room at the front but this is basically just become a hall right >> and then that was an access down to the
basement space. >> Right. >> But we could have that access be from another point. So potentially we could slide that back approximately two and a half to three feet. Um yeah >> adjacent to the stair and reduce that
>> door there. But >> yeah, that that could be possible. >> Yeah, that's it. This feels like I get the access issue with the stairs, >> right? >> You know, and um I was looking around and trying to mentally see where else could you put it. Mhm.
>> Um, and this is above an existing stairwell to the basement. >> No, there's an a pre-existing stairwell to the basement that's situated on the other side that >> So, this just flips it over, >> right? It's quite tight and and there would be no way to stack the stacks them. So, the basement is below the one
room. >> Correct. >> Second store. >> But the access currently we have that hallway and then an access door that then leads into that basement stair. But that that could be turned and that door could be put on this opposite side. And
then if this were slid back, it would reduce the building coverage. You know, if we're 20 some odd feet wide there and we took two to two and a half ft out, it would reduce building coverage by another >> 40 45 square ft of space, which I I
could easily see doing and not, you know, and still be able to have the staircase, >> right? And uh you know it feels to me like something that we you knew day one you were going over uh maxing out the F that's right. Um
but to to come in then with these other little things that make this other big thing work um to me is kind of um I'd feel better if it was a little bit that twotory foyer was a little narrowing. Yeah,
>> it's a good point because there's a hallway there as well where there's a hall and then there's foyer a lot of entry, >> right? We don't necessarily need I mean that hall is kind of derived from that's the existing front face of the building that's there which we're not changing
but >> if if that just became um we could still maintain that space that's part of the existing building footprint. Um, but if we pulled that that addition wall in, we could still have that stair and just deal with the access. We could re rework
the space that's in here and better utilize it and then shave off at least I would say 40 to 45 square feet of the proposed uh building coverage >> and then you'd have to figure out what your percentages would be. >> Well, it might be a little more than
that because it's two story, right? But the building cover Yeah, I mean I can scale it right off of here and get the exact number that we would be using it. >> Yeah, I think that's a good suggestion. >> Um I can share I uh I think
aesthetically it it's a logical move. I think yes maintaining the width we have much choice in that but I I think the design was creative. Um given the yeah amount of building coverage I I would have loved to see that back suite just locked off right and then just sort of
maintain it at the home and that might get >> an original suggestion if you demolish that so you'd be bringing it down >> and then you would still allow you know it's it's a very generous primary you know suite that is built which I think is appropriate and and would be used it
feels you know there's there's it's a beautiful property there's a lot of amenities um this feels like it's and take something that's already over and just go even further over. Um, but I agree the way that the resultant property will be lovely. Um, it feels
like a lot still something, >> but most of what they're doing is as of right, >> right? But but you're starting, >> right? >> Right. at a tough point. Anyway, that's my that's my but yeah, it's not I don't have a whole lot lot to propose because
I think it's will look nice but some part of it is still like I'm in the Regina camp something is striking it's already over but yeah >> I'll go next but you're good uh I agree
with all those comments uh that back u leg not a fan uh I think you that was your initial thing to cut it off and go with that that would be fine That being said, it's there. Far as sideyard setbacks, I can see them. They're existing pretty much the neighbor next door at all. That's why I brought it up
also is five feet into that side. Um, as far as the coverage, that is big elephant in the room. Anything you can do to knock that down would probably like board members indicated would probably be well received. Did you say you can do the um numbers
the calculations right now? >> Yes. >> You want to maybe do that? It seems like the board would be in favor of >> Is the board in favor of him okay with marking up that sheet accepting it?
microwave. That's Yeah. Heat. It looks like um it would reduce uh if we came back in 2 and 1/2 ft deep pull the entire face of that addition in 2
and 1/2 ft. uh the approximate width of that area in between the two legs of the existing house is 22 and a half feet. Uh so the resulting reduction in um in square footage would be uh reducing by 56 square ft. >> Total 12,
>> right? So 173 square ft minus 56 square ft. 173 - 56 would be 117 square ft. And uh and if you look at >> this A2 or sheet is it A2
Uh so if we were adding So the proposed would be 3969. [Music] 18.62 Street. >> Not yet. If I can just ask.
So Um so uh yes they're completely uh in and understand the you know the issue with the building coverage and the fact that the the existing property um as it stands and has stood for a long time is significantly over. Um so they are are
preventable to pulling that back in um in an effort to minimize that amount of added building as much as possible. >> Question. Does the shed add to your this spring shed does that add to the building coverage? >> It does that calculated and on that what is that made of? I actually didn't
see the shed. It was behind the fence tonight. >> Yeah, that shed and slash shed pool um is was a woodframe structure. Um similar. Uh yeah, it's 156 square ft um >> of footprint for that.
>> Is it old or new or >> It looks like it was constructed in the same kind of odd >> character. It's I think it was done all as one large renovation that someone did. just t me. How terrible would it be to pull that back a few feet to conform?
>> Um >> for building coverage >> you have to take away the whole structure. >> Were you thinking the same thing? >> No. >> Okay. Thanks. >> All right. So would you mind just just
rereading one more time um just with the new numbers? >> Of course. >> All right. >> Uh yes. So the proposed so the the what's on the revised site plan as presented was uh an increase in building coverage of 173 square ft. And the
proposed change and reduction to that is to pull the wall face or pull the face of that proposed addition in 2 and 1/2 ft 2 ft 6 in. And so over the course of the width of of that existing space from
wall to wall of the existing structure, that would result in a reduction of an additional 56 ft of coverage, dropping the proposed building coverage to 117 square ft, which would lower the
proposed building coverage to 3,969 square ft, which is 18.62%. Um would like to make a motion. >> I move that we approve variances subject
to uh changes made on sheet A2. Second >> Dave Redford. >> Yes. >> Barry Rosie. >> Yes. >> Virginia Truit. >> Yes. >> Beth Soul. >> Yes. >> Roberts. >> Yes. >> Just good luck. >> Yes.
>> Congratulations. No, I was thinking No, I was pulling your >> Oh, yeah, that's true. Look at everybody. A2, right? >> Did you get one pass?
>> Trouble is after class. Sorry, that sounded very >> Thank you very much. It really means a lot of time. Thank you. All right. >> Okay. Next up, we have uh calendar 4043-25.
The property location is 17 Bwell Terrace. The applicant is Jerham. We're going to speak the right hand please. Where from test proceeding truth come the truth. >> Yes. Your name for the record.
>> U D A Y. >> What your last name? Oh, Ivani. E V A N I. >> Sm I also >> um are you going to start? >> Yeah. Yeah. I think we have some prepared statements. I'll let my wife
take that. >> It was prepared in five minutes. I can be very verbose. So, uh yeah, I'll I'll um first of all, thank you. This is uh sort of exciting. I've been looking forward to this for uh some time now. Um
first of all, thank you for your time. Uh we live on board with the rest of across street. We love our home. We love our neighborhood. We've been there about seven years now and it's it's truly a village because it's a dead end. So we don't get outside traffic. So we know every home, every family on the block.
They know us. Our kids go knock on doors. They play in and each other's houses all the time. I host all the kids all the time. So Tom can help us do that. Um anytime we come over and there's no school, people are hanging
back in. So we love our home. We want to stay there for a very long time. But we also need space. It is a smalish property. When we bought, we had then three-year-old. We have another kid now and our older one is actually going to
Washington next year. They're growing up older. They need more space. We need more space. So, right now we have a family room where there's a three-seater couch and the kids are playing Just Dance or something and they're bumping into each other. The dining room is so
small. It's a six-seater, but two of the seats, the chairs are squished into the wall. We have puppy style meals. Our bedrooms are all on the same level, but they also develop as our offices. And we both of us work from home pretty much all the time, which is great, but also
we need the space. Um, and as the kids grow older, they have their own hobbies and develop as people. They and we need the extra space. So I I'm actually going to look at my fancy so I don't forget anything I want to say. Um, we don't
want to change everything. We what we have worked with Tom is because we love our home the way it is. So we keeping majority of it the way it is and just expanding to the back is what we want to do and the back our neighbors in the back don't care. Um
>> exactly. >> Yeah. Uh the front is not going to clean in any way and a lot of the changes that we are uh asking for have already been done in pretty much all the homes on the street like finishing the attic. Um so
yeah we want the space so that we can host family and friends when they come over. We need the space because we need it for a day. We we need more space and I'll hand over the question on happy to answer questions.
>> Okay. Hold these things up for right sides. >> Okay. Yes. >> That was not submitted with the application. Correct. >> Uh the survey the survey is just a blow up
mark. Oh, I don't >> Could you just start off by giving us your qualification? >> Uh, master's degree in architecture, University of Pennsylvania, graduated 1985,
licensed in architecture in New Jersey 1988. and I'm a licensed planner in New Jersey since 2012. >> You testified for the sportified
>> your license. I sat on this board. Um so the scope of work is through the plan. So I only have one page. So that's the existing house. This is
what we did. So it's 10 foot 11 at the back of it. What that does is it creates a opportunity to make a mud room here so people
you can keep the rest of the house on and expand the kitchen. The other big goal was to get a master bedroom and it's sort of a submaster. It's 10 foot 10 and 1/2 ft by 13 and 12.
That's the bed chamber room in the closet and the rest that is about the s um and they tend to occupy or use part of the
um there are that's actually the upper park and this thing. It was a closet about 5 to 6 ft high.
Can't really hang it. Um, so we'reizing the roof to get 30 foot ceiling and uh there's an added door which is getting a stair.
Um the back of the house the addition it's this portion it um this is an existing first one story piece that's going to get swallowed in
um the lot has a couple of features here. There's a terrace which is slightly raised. I don't know how many that has, but um it's a little bit strange, but it's kind
of also holding up a lot of the earth, which supports the cemetery. So, >> and the garage kind of does the same thing because the back is buried about taking it more.
So the this property budwell terrace this is block8 block seven terrace is a dead end >> I think it's a different block of lot 171 1225
>> 17 is the address >> right block 128 >> block 128 Okay. >> Yeah. Thanks. Sorry. >> Okay. That's the actual block.
>> Uh it's two blocks from downtown. The west side of the block backs up to Roads of Cemetery. Eight of the 25. Eight of the 22 homes on street are 50 ft or less. It's an R six.
But the 50 ft creates a bunch of problems, side effects, things like that. This lot is 50 ft by 133 ft. It's 66,632
square ft. Uh excluding the corners, if approved, this be the six largest lot. Well, either way, it's going to be the sixth largest slot street.
The driveway shares a driveway with the neighbor at 19 Bodwell Terrace. Um, that's just finishing up now. Uh, lots slopes gently towards Bodwell Terrace and Ste.
The predominant roof slope for the house is grow. The relief we're seeking is for sideyard setback. Actually, we're not >> that was >> that was an error. We don't need it.
>> Oh, we don't need it. Okay. Okay. >> So, we froze them. Yes. So you're combined. Um here one more.
You guys can't see this. Um anyway, this is the sideyard setbacks down the envelope. So that's the height to set back. And the only reason I did this is because
you can see there's nothing more than the edge of the solid which is a preventive. These are the combined and towards the back of the house where
the main addition is that's been pulled back so that it forms the side by where we end up violating it is in the ceiling of the of that closet I was describing
and that there's two little triangles All of this is existing up to there's two little triangles about one foot deep about seven
violation and far side that's real one that is a >> sorry just a quick question on combined guard that
>> well no we're market for an exist it as A1. Sheet A3. We just have to do it as A1. >> We mark survey as A1 or not. >> No, that was >> that was in the packet. >> Yes, >> the one you're marking now was not in
the packet. That's why you mark. >> Okay, good question. So, we're talking about combined yard combined sideyard setup, correct? That's yes combined. >> And it looks like the existing is um >> nonpoint
>> is what? >> Non hit point. >> Okay. And so you're not exacerbating it, correct? >> That's what I'm confused about. >> We are exacerbating it by seven. >> Oh, okay. Because it says 3.2.4. >> That's 1.1.
>> Oh, but that's existing. Okay. They're not making it worse because it looks like it's the same. Um, so right now this roof goes straight back >> and this new roof starts here and comes out. >> Okay.
>> It kind of leaves a tiny bit over there. >> Okay. >> But it's very um anyway sideyard that's the combined sideyard setback. Uh building coverage.
Um we are adding 266 square feet of building coverage in the back. It's replacing a deck but uh the variance the extent of the variance is
92 ft 1.38%. Um the lot coverage is substantially larger. Let's uh
2984 is a million 300 3,643 is proposed which is 659. Um
that is related to so we didn't know exactly how to handle this slate patio the intention was the pick up the slate for that we we included it in these numbers as
set accessories So because of that it's also not coverage and that's 500 5. So do you have to keep that because of
the origin issue or you were going to do it retaining walls would be you have to take it back up to it >> and get back to a cemetery
engineer look at it. >> Um no but I didn't tell you back >> Oh yeah that was there. I know what you're talking about, but if it would save you the coverage coverage.
>> So then we just grass it over. >> A wall. >> There's a wall there. >> There's already a wall. >> Yeah. If we just grass it. Would that be considered? >> I'm sorry. >> Talking about this. If we grasp this
this patio, take the ground plane off, then you would >> return it to that >> uncover. >> And what would that do to your >> That would reduce it >> um to 29.96,
which would be 12 ft above. the uh let's do >> seems like a good idea. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's kind of a definition.
Uh floor area ratio. That's a big one. So, we're 300 300 2388 is permitted. 2835. Now
I have another um exhibit here. Seems to disappear. It's me already lost this. They are real estate there somewhere. I will get to but I know there are some statistics
here and the one I was looking for. Let's leave the that where it is the F. We get back to it. And there's rear yard on that is off by 92 deep.
If we consider that patio uncovered, um, that goes away. I mean, if we get rid of the rear patio, it goes away, right? The bearings
And then there's accessory coverage which also >> you're proposed to 27 the last time. I don't know about that. >> 27 what? >> The max accessory coverage the asber is
27 allowed is 20. I don't think the patio by itself. >> Yeah. It would bring it closer from the existing, but it wouldn't be wouldn't bring all the way through. >> No, there's only on the accessory
coverage. It's 167 square ft. >> How big was the patio? Sorry. >> No, you're right. The patio was bigger. >> What are the dimensions on the slight patio car? It's 505.
>> Thank you. >> Yeah, you're right. >> You're right. >> You're out of compliance. >> Closer to the thing that's not get it all the way. The thing that's left is the garage, >> which is 127.
>> Yeah. Um and the garage is also the issue with building coverage but will be lower. So that won't affect us. So let's do some zoning.
So the the homes almost all the homes are 50 ft less in front. Uh excluding the corner lot. This is the sixth largest spot on the street shares the driveway with 195.
Um the the applicant owns and resides in a single detached home on the BS. The purpose of the application is to expand the structure to the rear of the property replacing existing deck. The resulting structure will be larger and
fuller area. It will not alter the street profile, the ownership type of park. The existing lot is narrower than our six zone allows. And while the house combines side setback
exceeding the allowable by 1.1 ft, this wouldn't be the case if the lot conforms to width. The rear edition conforms with a setback with the portion that the closest to the bedroom the bedroom
does not. the 70 square feet. The other buck requirements relate to lot coverage accessory coverage. They're the results of anly long driveway and an existing patio larger than
makes existing coverage ratios not building patios attempted to be in nature natural space. These coverages apply. We just went sorry the 2.5 story edition will result in a
gross area violation of 447 ft 20 221 square ft of which is attributable to the attic. The exition
extends the existing roof profile by 10.8 ft the rear of the site. the inter the intervention started to distinguish from the existing house because of the narrow view angle available street
and from consistency. So that's existing or from the street that's existing and that's proposed. And um
other than maybe seeing two extra windows here, uh they look identic at least from this angle. The rear they don't look substantially different. They feel the same. Same
material, same room. Um and guess ugly as it is um design approaches. The goal of the township master plan is to protect
character and step of establish variance process supports this goal by allowing flexibility in cases where it helps to support the goal of mastery. These changes protect the character of the neighborhood today and make future
tear downs. Um that the property can property can accommodate the changes profered by this application in that the resulting house will not change the population density, the scope of the
public infrastructure or any other metric related to development. The setback will not impact the street or the neighboring properties and property. The proposal advances follow the proposals done.
A B C D E G H I J N O. So let's go through the proofs. Um the project satisfies the statutory criteria of the deep water relief. Site can accommodate any problems associated
with the edit. Benefits are the home improvement adds value to the site, quality the site which adds value to the quality of the area and supports
uh purpose I visual environment and purpose J protected history. The project provides a better living environment for families and scale health and safety which representation.
Restoration of the existing patio will maintain green space and help mitigate the excess setback distance preserve the environment. Purpose E. The existing garage and patio serve to manage
elevation changes at the rear of the property to help maintain project with the neighboring properties which is again a health service. The addition covers an existing deck
rather than adding new coverage serves purpose E which is protecting environment. the need for additional floor is a result of inefficiencies and configuration of the existing house.
The real estate benefits of the site could be enhanced with the tear down. The new as house would be able to include 400 more square feet of livable space than the existing structure
benefit of the addition. No. And the benefit is it promotes recyclical and and recol. Um the design of the addition extends the house in a way that maintains the aesthetic character of the house and
respects the local history and context historic concepts. The addition adds 577 square ft of area resulting in an excess of 447 square ft of F.
The floor area spread over 2.5 stories will not be intrusive or overwhelming. It's extending the profile of the house is 10.8 ft which focuses to light. The addition does not create additional
population density. that caters to the family that currently lives there which is dead which is density. The street presence will benefit from design consistency and renovate preserving its character
and it's placing black desirable environment which is negative criteria. So I can accommodate problems associated with the added floor area.
Based on a review of the property cards, there are other homes in the street with higher up. If if approved, this lot will be seventh block in F and the third largest house on the street.
Three out of 13 out of 22 properties have attached garages. Only four of the 22 meet the side year combined requirements. Six of the 20 exceed the building coverage requirements. 10 of the 22
exceed the F. The most recent addition to the list of neighboring properties is similar area is the neighbor terrace which has an F of 42.5 42
6 >> 75 42.75 One thing to note is that the approval for the last in The neighbor's house was done in 2003. >> Uhhuh.
>> Which means didn't include attic and ours done today. So it doesn't >> the name you're talking about is that the neighbor to the right that you're looking >> that's brand new. >> It's 2020. Yeah. >> 2020.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> That's a delayed project. Actually, it was quite a bit like not that big. >> It seemed to take forever to get the addition is modest will not physically or functionally overintensify
the site. The addition did not increase based on above. None of the variance will cause substantial detriment public good. [Music] That cards >> question.
>> How many bedrooms exist now? Including anything that is used as a bedroom. And how many bedrooms are in place? >> Three bedrooms in the house, >> including the office. No, there's an office space. >> No, that is >> Yeah, this is in the attic. >> Oh, the office is currently in the attic. Well, >> no,
>> it will. >> We're only at >> So, how many bedrooms are in the house right now? If if I was a real estate agent listing that house the way it is, how many bedrooms would would there be? >> If three bedrooms, like that's how if you look at 17 order, when we bought it,
three bedrooms that we use, the bedrooms develop as our purposes. Okay. So, three bedrooms. That's the answer. You're adding four. >> It's becoming four. Awesome. >> And is your client willing to get rid of
that? >> Um the barrier in the back. >> In the back. Yeah. I mean, they realize that's the downside of this. >> You think grass is over? Yeah. I mean, >> oh, is the are we talking about the the
deck that's right behind the house or the slate that's next to the >> that bad boy that's adding a lot of >> the one adjacent or plotting the cemetery? >> Oh, the the the garage, right? Next to the garage. >> Yeah. So, that's >> the one behind the house is being built. >> Yeah.
>> Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's I mean it's already covered in grass. So, it's slate, but then there's some gravel covered in grass. So, yeah. Yeah. if we could do the new numbers on this this um sheet and I'm just going to add
for fun because it's so close to Halloween. You mentioned population density in the dead end so many times I had to laugh because there's a great drug about that. So funny is he doing that in convention. >> I intentionally haven't made any jokes about this because >> I wonder these places and look for some
serenity. >> Anyway, I was laughing when I read that. I was like doesn't affect the population density because it's nasty. >> Just guilty about >> Mr. Pushing the whole >> Yeah. Okay. >> Uh Mr. Singer, your F calculations
include the garage, correct? >> The F calculation includes the garage. >> And they include the attic. Correct. >> And it includes the attic. >> It doesn't include the entire attic, by the way. Or just that portion of that. that portion that's area which
still >> and number 19 you mentioned that their F was a 40% is that right >> 42 Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> I do have something.
>> Okay. that just I went through the trouble of >> this isn't in our packet, right? >> So, If you did a tear down,
you could build this. And in terms of livable area means the roof could be all the floor below
the garage under it. And you And you made these two floor two floors to with F. You could actually get 400 ft of more living space out of that than you would out of
out of this fully configuration. So >> yeah, >> I'm sorry. You're saying that on the upper left that would be you built that 400
>> 400 additional square feet and we compare it to the bullet >> and and your upper left would be in compliance. >> Yeah, as of right as of It would have more square feet.
>> I'm not going to give you anything right now. This is my office. Right. Five is what we're looking at right now. >> Five. >> No. Uh, no. You're looking at >> hydrar
combined yard. >> So here combined still got building coverage lot coverage is going to go way down. >> We still got floor area. You still have you don't have rear yard.
>> You don't have your accessory. You don't have accessory coverage either because the only thing you have in the backyard is going to be the garage. >> All right. I know we talked about that. Okay. Good. So that you got rid of accessory covered and very guardoccupied is also gone.
>> Unoccupied is also >> okay. So just just three and a half. >> Any other questions from the board? Any questions from anyone in the audience? Any uh comments from anyone in the
audience? Um, I don't see anyone or hear anyone, so I'm going to close the public portion and I'd love to hear it from my fellow board members. >> Yeah, I think it's an appropriate application. I think if you're going to look to increase the size of
the property, I think, you know, the the side by side um, you know, from the rear view I think was compelling. I look like one of those, you know, search and find the difference, you know, Highlights magazine. >> Um, you know, I think the fact that it really didn't jump out at you so clearly
of like what is so different. Um, >> you know, was compelling. I think certainly that that last exhibit that we just saw shows what what could be and what, you know, maintaining the character but increasing it is. I think the um weeks that we just discussed
during the presentation of the application um are accommodating and you know right reducing the variances sought >> is there a tweak other than >> the other than getting rid of the slate I don't know the
>> but that will I get the numbers to you on that >> um recalulation >> well the accessory coverage I can I should be able to do this is gone. >> I mean, before we vote on it, I think we should
>> Well, nothing else is reduced. >> We're gone because >> coverage is a little is down >> right since the patio's gone. >> 2996 66. I know it's 25.1
>> 45 occupied 271. Yeah, they're done. >> Accessory coverage is 327. >> So the lot coverage >> lot coverage comes down to 45.1.
>> Oh yeah. >> Change combined side. Yeah. >> Yeah. anyone else? >> So, I'll just say attractive, modest um enhancement to the property. I think you
did a great job. I love the arch doorway. I'm so glad you're keeping that. I think it fits into the neighborhood and I would be with the um suggested removal of the slate patio in the back, which I think will be great as
grass. Um, I could be in support of the >> I'll follow up with Regina. I think uh it's fit with the neighborhood like you're right. You haven't changed the front of the house at all and from the profile um it looked pretty darn good compared to the neighbor, which is >> Yeah.
>> Um so I like what you did with the the roof lines all the way through. Um, as far as the floor area ratio, um, that usually something that jumps off the table at us, but again, we're this is that situation where we have a detached garage in the rear, which it always
causes problems. Um, and the fact that even though this lot is over the 6,000 ft minimum, I think there were 6,100 square feet, um, I think it's I think it works for the space, so I would have no problem um, recommending this application.
Um yeah, I would just add that the uh the numbers are scary and not typically numbers that we would um approve, but when you um see the reasons for it and you realize that there are some, you know, extenduating circumstances here um
and and you see the final product that I mean, you know, normally withinary ratio with such high numbers, we're looking at like giant massing and we're like, you know, absolutely not. But uh that's actually not what we have here. As fellow board member said, it's like hard
to even see the difference uh from the outside. So Eileen, I just want to confirm with you that if they grasp over the slate patio that's closest to the cemetery in the back, even if the slate is still there underneath, just having
grass over it gets rid of the >> Yeah, I think >> Okay. >> Doesn't look like there's no spell is saying we don't have
grassable. It's the groundhog's favorite sport. There's grass there. >> Um reclaim. >> So would um would someone like to make a
motion? >> Sure. I would move to approve calendar 404325 with um the change to the discuss >> David. >> Yes. >> Gary Rosen. >> Yes.
>> Regina Troy. >> Yes. >> Saul. >> Yes. >> Nomino Robert. >> Yes. >> Just >> good luck and happy Halloween. hard >> again. We're not doing a bargain. >> That's a perfect
>> St. Rose back. >> Yeah. >> Long weekend. But it's very cool. That's >> not >> somebody else coming in.
>> Another one. Yeah. used to cut always [Music] >> giving you life. [Music] >> You have to Yeah, >> we have
never What did you give me? >> Yes. >> It's okay. >> Okay. No problem. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> I stole all your It's not mine. >> Yes. >> No, it's just I think we are ready for our final application of the night. That is calendar 4048 25 and it is 33 exit road
test. I have three names for the record. >> Ash, >> Danielson, Enc. >> Good evening everyone. Um, I'm Asha J. I'm the property owner of 33. My husband is the co owner. He's
traveling to work. Um, so my family and I moved into this house in August of 2014. uh almost 11 years now and he truly made this our home. Um we we've raised our family, you know, we have two boys now
when we moved our older one was only three. He's a high schooler now and then we have a younger one who's going to Washington school and we really build you know our memories in this house and u but as our needs are growing you know the boys are getting older um our needs
are changing our family's needs are changing our parents also spending more time with us now um so just to meet our needs um the first floor of the house is decently sized we've not made any changes the original house is built in 1940 so I think one of the previous
owners at some point did some renovation or expansion on the first floor. So that serves us really well. But I think the second floor the bedroom space. Um the bedrooms are really small size and there's like one master bathroom which is on suite but then there's only one bathroom which is shared by three other
rooms. Um the closets also very tiny. So we started working with Dan our architect here um to just meet our family needs and you know so the sol he came up with some very innovative solutions to meet our needs. But we realized during the process that we need some variances. Um he's going to talk
about the technical details but yeah I really appreciate the time here and to you know um discuss our plans and I hope the board will look at our request favorably. Just going to put it on the record that you've already been qualified from two
applications ago. Thank you. >> After the property at 33 Exit Road, uh it uh was located in the R5 zone. Uh the home was uh constructed in 1940. uh and uh the existing property is a significantly uh undersized
non-conforming lot for the zone. Uh the required uh library size in the R5 zone is 14,500 square ft and the property that we have here is 9,931 square ft. Uh so all of the resulting
percentages and and other aspects are scaled down um with a significantly undersized lot. uh the looking on the site plan and everything that is here is consistent with what you have in the package. There are no changes or amendments um to what uh to
what you have. So the proposed work uh consists of a second story edition that wraps around uh the back end of the house and a little bit around the right side of the house. And that is at the
second story only. There's no change uh to the footprint or anything going related to the first floor and we have here are the existing first and second floor plans of the house as they stand. Um, so consistent uh with what the owner was saying, uh, the first
floor of the house at some point had an addition added to it that created a break room or a larger living space and a larger kitchen on the back end of the um that quite a nice space. It works well. Um, the other spaces to the front of the house are are fairly small but
consistent with um, you know, others in this neighborhood. Uh, the staircase is located centrally off the foyer. Uh this is one of those homes. There are a number of these uh throughout the surrounding neighborhood where the stair comes up and then branches off in two
directions. So you have additional stair going to the right as well as steps going to the left. So the the other spaces are a little bit disjointed because the floor is not continuous through the second floor of the house. Uh so currently in regards to the
bedrooms uh the current house uh at first floor no bedroom spaces at the first floor uh and at the second floor there's currently uh existing primary bedroom that has an on suite primary bath attached to it and then there are
three additional smaller size bedrooms and one fall bath. So there are a total of as a real would look at it for listening purposes there total of four bedrooms within the house. There's the one bath. All of the
bedrooms have small strip closets into these areas roughly 5 1/2 ft by 2 ft deep. Um you know the the primary bedroom does have a slightly larger closet um that has been adjusted at a point. Uh but all of the other closet
spaces throughout these bedrooms um are are very very tight and small um especially based on current living standards. And uh and then we have the single hall bathroom that services all three of the bedrooms. Uh so based on their current living
situation uh and the ability of their parents or the lack of ability of their parents to get to the second floor um to utilize any one of those small bedrooms especially with that added set of steps to the left which is where they were staying um at the first floor. No change
to the footprint or anything from a zoning standpoint. Um, but since they are no longer able to get to that second story, um, they are adjusting one wall and attempting to take that existing office, small office space that's there, uh, and convert it into a a very small
bedroom, uh, and adjust the existing half bath, turning it into a full bath with a threshold shower that will enable um their parents to to maintain access and usability in the house, nearness to the kitchen and the family and the
living space. uh but no change to the footprint or anything at the at the main body of the house. The stair uh is being maintained in the same location. The proposed addition, you can see the pre-existing wall that's here currently. Uh and we have an addition that extends
out 10 ft 7 in to the rear which is that dimension because it lines up over the existing wall of the the room that is down below that's previously added. Uh and then to the right hand side uh coming off uh four feet six and a half inches. And that's very conscious that
was made as small as possible. Um necessary to accommodate some of the the room of space that was here. Um but essentially to keep the the massing of the house and anything that's really visible in terms of the addition to a bare minimum especially when uh viewing
this house and the facade of the house front street. Uh so the proposed uh the proposed uh variances here we have a sidear setback variance the existing uh the second story on the right hand side uh the
existing uh setback 17.77 ft the proposed is 14. Uh and then the required based on kind of the grading up because it's a relatively low level house with a shallow roof uh is is coming out to be a
required 14.34 ft. Uh and but the proposed is uh is 14. So just a hair over that 14.34 requirement. The main variance is a Dvariance for
floor area ratio. Uh and the existing uh F is at 27.9%. Uh and the house has a total including the garage space of the attached onecar garage of 2,768
ft. The proposed is 32.1% which brings the house up to 3,1 ft. And the allowable for the zone based on the size of the 9,931 square feet of the property is 30% of
that. Uh so the maximum allowable F for this property is 2,979 square ft. The overall addition that is being proposed in this area totals out to 423
ft of space. of that 212 square f feet is going beyond the the allowable of the FA. In contrast to conforming properties within the zone, a 14,500 ft conforming property in the R5 zone
with a 30% F can have a a floor area ratio or floor area of 4,350 square ft. The proposed here is 3,190. Um so even though it's a a smaller property within its own many many homes
throughout significantly larger both visually in mass but also on the square footage that they have. Um, so, uh, looking at the exterior of the home, sheet A4. uh we have the uh fun
elevation of which the addition is really not visible. You can see the small portion that sits behind the chimney uh tucked back from the front edge of the roof and and roof line that's down below. So only this 4 ft of
space, but out of that 4 ft of space, a little less than 2 ft of it is experienced by the chimney. Uh and we specifically situated the roof forms to be subordinate to the existing even though it's a low slum hip roof. Uh feeling that the addition should be
subordinate to that and so uh have set up the roof in such a way that the the post roof line is lower than the existing roof that is there to basically make this thing recede as much as possible. >> Um from the rear of the house uh this is the existing addition that was done
previously. Um I don't know when the addition was done really not done by the owners. Um and uh there's kitchen here. There's that main break room or living space here. And there is the existing second story body of the house. And there are photos in uh in the package of
that rear elevation. Um and the proposed work uh is mainly uh creating the addition along the back end of this that 10 foot 7 in aligning with this wall. Uh from the uh from the right side of the house, we see that front body of the
house. We see the chimney. This is actually set fairly far back. Um so, you know, a number of feet back from the front sideline of the house. So, really not visible. Uh there is existing roof here and we are being very careful to to kind of sit back from that roof to
maintain that roof and just have this piece being nestled into the roof line so it doesn't project out and help to have a large mass to it. Uh on the uh there appear to be two right side elevations here. Uh on the left side um
>> just that small 10t 7 in uh portion is visible. Uh the rest of the house remains as is. Uh so nothing projects any further from that. All right. So looking looking at this um and and what's proposed and considering the um the
undersized nature of the lot um and significantly so um you know even at that smaller size with what is already on the property and the fact that this is kind of wrapping the massing of the existing house um the site will easily
accommodate this added amount of square footage without having a mark change to the feeling or the character um or the overall bulk and mass of the house. Uh and you know it maintains the visual massing from the street, you know, small
change. Um and it really poses no detriment to any of the surrounding uh adjacent homes or the neighborhood as a whole. Um, and it's it's it's really consistent with um the goal of of taking a home uh that you know constructed
years ago that has maybe smaller sizes, doesn't quite meet current living standards, you're bringing that up in a way uh where again instead of you know creating something that becomes overly large or inconsistent with the neighborhood or becomes a tear down altogether because someone doesn't know
what to do with it. um adding some of that space in a way that is essentially hidden. Um but in order to give that living space to the house to bring it up to current living standards uh with decent closet sizes as well as some additional bathroom space for the past.
>> Any questions? Tell me about this shed in the back. The FR shed >> shed. frame you mean right? >> Yes, the frame shed is existing shed that is is in the back of the properties.
>> Does that contribute I don't know if it does just asking does that contribute to the blurry ratio? >> It does. >> I' I've included it within the calculation. >> What's in the >> what's in the shed?
>> Right. >> It was just our old like the previous owner had it. So in fact when things like you know we moved from home we didn't even know what we wanted now. >> Yeah it's just
>> it's nice to have but I'm just wondering you know just ways you can down >> that something. So you included that in your >> I did include that within the F because it's enclosed space. >> Uh the shed is
>> it just helps with the extra storage but we only have one car garage. >> Yeah. >> Tiny as well. So we're not even able to park our car. Wait wait wait. Uh >> the shed is approximately 10 by 12. So
120 square. Does it look like one of those pre-manufactured that somebody moved in and dropped in or you think it filled up? >> It's just it's preman somebody. >> So it's 120 square feet. So it would
take your f down. So you'd still have >> correct. So we still less than 100 square feet over. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> No, I understand. Um yeah, and it's something that I discuss.
Um >> yeah, in the current backyard, it's the only >> area because it's a single car garage. It's fairly narrow. Um there is no place for any kind of storage >> or >> kids toys lawn mower. Um so
the benefit of losing the f versus having those items kind of displayed on the lawn because there's no place to put them >> um is >> but I understand. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions?
Any questions from the audience? I can't see ask, you know. Um, okay. I'm going to close the or comments from the audience. I don't think anyone's there. Um, okay. Then I'm going to close the public portion and
ask for comments from board members. >> Anyone want to get started? Okay. I think this is very thoughtful when they play it out. Um, you know, we struggle with a lot of these tight lots
that, you know, that almost by definition they all have sideyard issues and all that sort. I mean, it's not clear to me. Is your next door neighbor on your left? Does this is his house actually come onto your property? very
close. Um so I mean you said doesn't affect the thought process but it just >> you know this these areas survey >> and I think I think this >> yes I agree
>> it's it's such a small ask what you had to come for but understood um you know why and I think uh you know describing the extent to which the size of the law you know were that you know were in an appropriately sized lot for
the performing it would >> you wouldn't and you're and it's only what 212 that says >> I I'll go just reiterating what that's said um I think you're at like 68% of
what the permitted is that lot you're 9,000 square feet and you're >> the R5 zone allows working time. You made that presentation. >> So I think that coupled with how you set that second floor back off the right
hand side to keep from massing that whole situation. Very tastefully done. You'll be able to tell at all I don't think when put it together streets. Yeah. Very very very slight at best. So I think it's actually it's well done. uh welldesigned and I can be supportive of those even though again
our chair chairman said before about um floor area ratios we have difficulty sometimes with that but when we have these pipeline several times it is we we're happy that not happy to do it but we can see the
reason for that situation >> yeah I think what everyone's getting at is that there's a very clear hardship here with the undersized lot. I mean, this is one of the more severely undersized lots that I think we've, you
know, we've actually seen as a you mentioned that in your notes that it's undersized. So, I agree with everything my colleagues have said already. >> Would someone like to make a motion? Motion to approve the application.
>> Bradford. >> Yes. >> Gary Rosen. >> Yes. >> Truett. >> Yes. >> Beth. >> Yes. >> No. Robert. >> Yes. >> Joseph. >> Yes. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Nice.
>> Thank you. Guys, we're not we're not close. Um, I'm gonna let the record reflect that there's no one in the audience to come before us about matters pertaining to tonight's agenda. Um, so with that,
would someone like to make a motion to >> make a motion to have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. So December 22, I'm