guys can everyone turn on their Okay in accordance with section five of the Open Public Meetings Act chapter 231 Public Law 1975 be advised that a notice of this meeting was made by posting on the Bulletin board town hall and mailing
to the officially designated newspapers a list of the meeting dates annually indicating that this meeting would take place at the town hall at 700 p.m on April 7th 2025 shandrew here gary Rosen here regina
Trul here Jeff here Roberts here David Bradford here vice chair Joseph here chair here okay um we are going to start off with the approval of minutes i did not
circulate oh we didn't circulate those okay well then we are going to start off with our resolutions the first is um calendar 3964-23 that's Jose Valdez 53 Sagamore Road um who is eligible are Shandra Beth
Mito David Joseph Jessica okay do we have any additions or corrections um do I have someone who wants to make a motion move to approve do we have a second second oh yes that's all yes roberts yes david
Bradford yes joseph yes just Yes okay next up we have calendar 4013-24 elliot and Aaron Danto Woodfield Drive who's eligible same okay we have a
motion motion to accept pizza Hut seconded john Marjani yes that's all nolina Roberts yes david Bradford yes joseph Cfield yes jessica good luck yes next up we have calendar
40-21 sorry 4021-24 how Wang 35A Spring Street is it the same shjoino and David any corrections any additions changes would someone like to make a
motion i move the approval i can second was that David yeah david yes that's all yes roberts david yes um last we have calendar
4022-24 Sang Xiao and Kishi 21 Great Oak Drive sing original okay um are there any additions or corrections would someone like to make a motion
move to approve i'll second yes yes robert yes david Bradford yes joseph yes jessica yes okay um next we have the adoption of the
new zoning board calendar for the um the new dates and venue change for um our last meeting in April through August of 2025 has everyone had a chance to review that [Music]
[Applause] um so this is this is an adoption by resolution and we should have a voice okay so is the idea though that the calendar after August will remain the same or we will reset the calendar we're
going to hopefully the library will be done by that time and we should be able to revert back to our original first and third um but we weren't 100% sure after I don't have the board of board of education calendar yet they don't adopt their calendar till July so I don't know
their meeting dates in September October November December we'll go we'll play that but this is last meeting here is it here for a while for about two years two years wow it's probably a
minimum of 18 months wow and you may not see me here when you come back oh my counting down i mean two years that's dancing in the house
okay so um I guess it's just a regular Would someone like to make a motion to accept the new change of venue and calendar dates so moved second second okay
yes yes yes yes roberts yes joseph yes yes um these are the applicants here or we're just going to carry well you should just announce the Okay um so our
first two applications that are on the agenda for tonight the first is calendar 4020-24 uh the property location is 88 Stewart Road and the applicants are John and Regina Genturban um that is going to
be carried to April 28th 2825 i'm sorry interrupting i mean what's the new What's the address 434 Milurn Avenue 434 Milbourne Avenue is where we're going to be going correct okay and that will be at 434 Milbour
Avenue um at 7 o'clock p.m yes at 7 o'clock p.m and um the next uh calendar 3974-24 property location is 389 Milbour
Avenue the applicant is 389 Milbour LLC that is going to be carried to May 12th 2025 um it will be carried as well to 434 Milbour Avenue at 700 p.m okay so moving right along uh first
up we have calendar 4012-24 the property location is 55 Locust Avenue and the applicant is Ashlin Mundra this is a continuation why don't we just confirm in terms of
who is eligible to hear and vote on this application shandro is eligible beth is eligible david Bradford is eligible joe Cfield Jessica Gary and Regina you got my emails he did i watched okay
so hold on okay so Regina the new calendar do you want to see i know there's the 28th of Wait wait wait mr yeah we we call we called the case so during the next break I'm sure Mr pope
is kind enough to give me a list so Gary and Regina have list and they're also eligible who's not eligible i believe was absent for the December hearing and did not okay
will they need to sign yes okay so you were previously sworn in so you can we remain sworn in okay thank you um yeah board thank you for having me today here um uh this is my third appearance here
and I think this time from the last time we took a lot of your feedback back the first time then the second time and this time we actually went to the drawing board me and my wife we tried to take all the feedback in uh in terms of lot of compromises we try to make in the
house and in the way we both work from our own off work from home so even office situation and just so that there are a few of you who have I think not been here the purpose is that we're trying to build two bedrooms uh for both
my daughters uh and uh and we have thought about alternatives if this doesn't work like we love our tutor house the old house which is now one of the few remaining in the street and uh hopefully we have done everything here
to prove you that we don't have to go to drastic measures after Thank you thank you uh well to jump to a point you're considered uh still sworn right and your license remains a good standing yes sir
all right so to kind of start with that point I have lot of different exhibits I want to pass around they're mostly just pictures should I mark each one individually or can we mark a group of pictures as one exhibit um so hold on a second i just want to make sure that I
don't think we've marked any exhibits no we have not okay so um let's see what's your pleasure um what would you like to do two exhibits one is a group of photos okay we're going to mark the group of individual homes that illustrate a point I'm about to make and the other Hold on
a second group of photos a1 and how many photos one two three four five six seven eight okay not um showing other homes in the
neighborhood or what is it yes yes okay so that's going to be A1 and we'll we'll set a proper foundation for these exhibits as we get to them but just for marking purposes what do you want to call what's A2 a2 is
just the neighborhood in general i have a Google site image and I have a street image so two photos aerial of the neighborhood and then what's the other one street view of what of the house the
neighborhood okay so we're going to mark that as A2 go ahead all right so I'm going to start by introducing exhibit A2 exhibit A2 illustrates the street next door to the house that is the subject of this variance request four of the five houses
shown in the photo to the left have been torn down in the last four or five years and replaced with new structures the reason these homes are being torn down is because in many cases their size and their shape and their configuration and their styles have outlived their usable
lives it's something we as architects don't always want to do but I get asked to do a lot um the mundas are trying to keep their home achieving these two bedrooms has been their work for the last year and I am the second architect
to have worked for them so I appear tonight to show the reduced intensity of the application of the project illustrate the surrounding homes similar um sizes and makeup and demonstrate that this board can approve this application within the general development pattern
of the neighborhood the first application presented at the November hearing by another architect requested 3863 square feet or an F of 43% that is a 19.4% 4% deviation from the allowed it is
excessive at the March 3 hearing I was able to reduce the application to 3,659 or 40.62% 36 allowed a 12.8% deviation and tonight I am presenting a
3,459 square foot version or 38.4% 4% F variance where 36 is the max you can have so we're 2.4% over the deviation is 6.6% the variance is a mere 135 square
ft more than what is allowed so 36 um 3459 is 135 square feet above what's allowed that 135 is not enough to put two bedrooms in a bathroom but I'm going to show you how my design Can I just Can we interrupt for one second you're
saying the the proposed F now is 3459 in terms of how many square feet because on our on our uh schedule it says 3357 it says you're taking it up to 37
it's that yes it's this my number's wrong here so it's even smaller i'm sorry it's 3357 which is 37.28 that's correct 37.28 so it's even 1.28 yeah i just in writing
this I just transcribed the wrong numbers uh but these plans are correct so we're now a mere um the F allowed 3242 we're at 3357 we are 135 square feet over okay
in this application we now only expand the rear of the house by 5.6 ft i have a one of the exhibit 8 ones that I'll start passing around this exhibit shows the rear of the house
and it shows the house next door is that an exhibit exhibit A1 i marked it this is one of the eight photographs okay thank you okay so it shows the kitchen of the house and what we're doing is expanding effectively in
alignment with the kitchen five 6 in from this wall to the edge of that kitchen on the second floor the second photo shows the house next door and just how far back these new construction houses extend our
addition is only going to align with that kitchen it's a it's a very small impact and quite honestly in the context of the impact to the neighborhood ours is at at best dimminimous we were able to make the two
rooms work by removing quite a bit of the interior of the second floor we achieved this by removing the existing hall bathroom which I'll show you from the prior application in the prior application we
had two bedrooms and two bathrooms and two closets built here expanded into the backyard this existing full bathroom and this existing 21 by13 bedroom are now
substantially impacted by us pushing into the existing home the preponderance of our proposed addition so ex on shown on sheet A1 can you just identify this with the data
the revision date of those plans um I'm going to have to do this verbally because we show the revision date as being February 21st but the revision date was that's before our last hearing so we didn't revise the revision dates on these plans so would it be okay if I
testified that the revision dates are yesterday hold on is what you're the plans that you're referring to are they the same plans that were submitted to the board yes and
those plans are dated February 21st 2025 but you're telling me that there's two sets of 22125 plans that's correct and that the ones that you've most recently submitted to the board and that
you are displaying here are actually revised subsequent to 22125 that's right and one of our draft people didn't revise the date okay so when did you do you recall when you submitted these to the board approximately uh approximately
three weeks ago so we want to pick an approximate date when they were submitted and let's call that that the date that's fair because it's not doesn't make any sense to call yesterday the date or today okay it's it's approximately March 20th
we'll go with that okay so let's let me point to these and say these are now going to be the March 20th exhibit and on that March 20th exhibit sheet A1 illustrates how we're not calling it an exhibit we're going to call March 20th
plans with a 22125 date right 32125 is that what you said no 22125 that's what I'm looking at oh the original date i'm sorry the the
revised date is 320 correct all right thank you for that all right i'm going to go back so on A1 we now show that what used to be a 13x 21 bedroom now became a
13x9 bedroom which he uses as his office so it's a rather small office and that the whole bathroom which was laid out in here is completely disappeared so that these bedrooms could be brought into the house whereby the expansion is only 5 ft
6 in from the rear wall over that kitchen bumpout that I passed out in exhibit A1 the application before you also eliminates the prior request for combined sideyard setbacks so by making this addition smaller it also got
narrower and therefore we no longer are requiring the C variances for combined side that leaves us with just one variance for floor area ratio where 37.28 is proposed and 36% is
allowed i have one more exhibit this is an exhibit of the homes of the neighborhood i want the first one is the subject property and the remainder are all the houses next door nearby every one of these new houses has an
attic the muras don't have an attic the attic is an intensity to a neighborhood because of the towering height of it this application meets some of the requirements in which your very
board looks at we are not proposing a third floor we're simply trying to expand the back so he can get his two bedrooms the impact from doing that is significantly better an improvement over what's in the neighborhood with these new homes the owners have considered a
knockdown of the home one of the things we talked about was can we just put the garages in the basement remember our garages are on the first floor and are part of our F so while those other homes and you'll see them are substantially bigger all of them benefit from the placement of the garage in the basement
which I must say in a flood zone that that section of Milbourne is becoming is uh not very good planning i I it's this is not in the flood zone but it's not too far from this from these properties um by placing the the garage in the
basement they would free up F that was one of the plans providing relief tonight allows the Mundras to remain in this house and eliminate the detriment of this neighborhood facing yet another knockdown its construction is modest in size and although requiring an F variance partially due to the fact that
the F includes garages this application does so without the undermining the intent and purpose of the M township zoning ordinance the relief sought is now dimminimous and it's within the dim the limits and the deviations which this board has approved in many recent meetings we know that an oversized
property which this is can accommodate this expansion without any problems associated with the proposed floor area ratio permitted by the ordinance but a 1.28 deviation above the
36 is nothing it's it's minor and without it the alternative is either they move but they have to do something because these two girls of theirs are are fighting over so this is this is an important night for
them this is a cottage tutor style house which unlike many of the surrounding homes is not being torn down it represents the exact type of application which this board ought approve and an an alternative to somebody ripping yet
another house down on Locust because you'll see there four of the five homes on his side of the street are gone the approval maintains the house appearance and substantially does not create any bulk for the neighborhood as I testified since the rear edition is
going directly over the kitchen bumpout and no more By not tearing down this house construction sought significantly reduces the detriment to the surrounding area and as such advances the public good without impairing the intent and
purpose of the zone plan and the ordinance thank you did you get rid of the side variance you did so you have one variance you need one variance that variance is for uh an F which requires five of this board's
approval votes 36% is allowed and we are proposing now 37.28 okay 135 square ft over so 606.2 I'm going to say elf it's not correct you're not That's correct
can I ask another how far over the kitchen bumpout are you going to be protruding into the backyard does it does it end with a kitchen bumpout i have trouble it ends directly over the kitchen bumpout i'm pointing to sheet A1 the first floor plan the kitchen bumpout and the line in
which our second floor is following that line okay can I ask another question i think I asked this back in December did you get water during any of the hurricanes i know Locust Street did flood but when we did not we didn't even put any insurance
we were the only house who did not claim any insurance okay we did not the whole there was FEMA there every house claimed it we were on it we had very little water and there was no we didn't put in any I know there was water down there but glad to hear your house was
Thank you any other questions [Music] how many bedrooms are there now Tom uh how many bedrooms are in the house today there there are three on the top and yeah three and that downstairs is kind
of technically there's four bedrooms Joe but that's like a pantry but keep in mind two work at home people so they have two daughters so you wonder why why do they need two more bedrooms they need the bedrooms because he needs one of them is they have in-laws that travel
and stay at the house so it's a just a lifestyle the office becomes like it just we need office right so it's four now be six It would technically be six but more likely five that office that we have shown here at 9 ft and then the
fourth one is was not never like a bedroom you know no it's on the first floor it's the first floor but it's like it's connected to the kitchen pantry it's connected to the kitchen yeah the dilemma for this application has been its largestgeness and my lack of
presenting neighborhood data which I came tonight with and imparting why I think this board can approve this application within the standards of the land use ordinances and how it advances I think one of the intents which is to allow somebody who
has an option to knock it down like everyone else has done to just building an addition and we also made a lot of compromises here because we were wanting two bathrooms for our daughters separate bathroom but now we are having them work on one bathroom and share that too like
but they have like two sinks they they'll have two sinks but that's it and that was a big compromise we had to explain to our kids I see the wall between the two sinks that's yeah that's even better and a wall so that they can feel they have it but they have to share it so we we had to like the 10-year-old it was
very difficult to go through that but I think she understands and agrees to it this this is part of the problem of today's society your kids are 10 years old demanding that yeah well yeah but what's on the first floor Tom that that's just going to be expanded kitchen
that space correct no it's there today and there's no expansion to the first floor no expansion kitchen remains as it one yeah no no nothing and so underneath the extension is nothing part of that the kitchen is high
approximately 5' 6 in of the deck to the right of the kitchen will be covered good okay perfect thanks did you have a question okay our court attorney is going to ask a question mr b you testified that there's been a number
of knockdowns or tear downs along this street is that correct that's correct um and have there there have been homes um developed after those properties have been knocked down correct yes do you
still feel um it's a leading question but I'm going to ask it for the record you still feel that even though you've profered that you want to maintain the tutor style home and um on
this neighborhood does it still fit in with the neighborhood now that the neighborhood has become a bit more modernized with rebuilds i do and let me explain why the fabric of a neighborhood is not the commonality
of structures it's a diversity of structures that gives a neighborhood appeal so we don't want 13 houses that look all modern i think the inventory of tutor cottages is diminishing the mundas you have an application here who's
fighting to just get room for their two kids and are willing to keep the house and invest in the property which is why I think this board this is one of the the the sound foundations of zoning boards of adjustments to have these type of applications get approved because of
the alternatives thank you any other questions from So the the F is for 1.28% over 36% um just because this is like third time you're coming in here where was it uh at the beginning before the first application where are we
taking I'll repeat my opening statement the first application presented in November called for 3,863 ft or 43% F where 36 is allowed my question is different where was it where is it today before construction
square footage uh I can tell you that existing the existing home on on my cover sheet C1 you'll see the middle column is existing we have 3121 square feet what what is the percentage you're asking percentage he's
asking percentage it's right there 34.65 so it's it's 34.65 we had asked for 43 and we went back and started reducing everything that's and then yes so from from that we started reducing the bathrooms we started reducing everything even we had in the beginning in the
first floor additions which we took removed completely in the first when we had additions sorry what is the existing F currently as stands right now the existing F is 3121 square feet or 34.65%
65% we're 36 is allowed 34.65 okay so you're conf 37 so you're down by 1.35% below the permitted F but you want to go above 1.3% oh yeah the nature of this
application is to expand the second floor of the house to add two bedrooms which are substantially like 300 and some square ft the reason we got this down so much is because the Mers have agreed to tear out a big portion of the
existing second floor we're taking out the whole bathroom so we can shove these bedrooms into the house partially and this is as small as it gets without this there is no application yeah we're reducing even the current footprint so that we the bathroom is getting tear down it's just
Yeah whatever the best way possible we wanted to give with the least amount addition yeah approximately half of the addition is in the existing house in a hall bathroom in an existing bedroom all of that's getting small any other questions from board
members anyone in the audience have any questions for the applicant questions only does anyone in the audience have any comments on this matter okay i don't see anyone so I will
close the public portion and circle back to the board um what does everyone think just to remind the board as Mr ber stated this is a D variance which requires five affirmative votes out of seven to
gain does anyone want to start all right I'll start since I did watch the video last night it was very funny that you thought I was watching the video from home uh anyway um I appreciate all of the um modifications that you've gone that
you've uh negotiated with your client and how you've come down quite a bit from the original um application back in 2024 um so um and and it seems like a modest neighborhood i love tutor houses and I'm glad that you're keeping it so I
think that does fit in perfectly in the South Mountain neighborhood and I appreciate that i'm going to I'm going to say that I'm um in an area that does flood i'm always a little bit worried about approving it but I could live with this because you have come down negotiated but also it's just a smidge over the allowable 1.28% i could live
with it i could be supportive as well uh I I think uh we've worked uh with the board in trying to come to the limits and it's slightly above but I think your starting point itself was near the near the F limit and I think slightly going above
uh that is you know after working with us and trying to come with a solution so I think I could be supportive thank you thank you yeah I think I agree with those comments i do uh I think I recognize from the pictures that a lot of the other houses in the neighborhood go back further i do think your house
seems to be a little bit wider which is perhaps why they have the FR issue but um but I think that the proposed addition is um uh workable i say dimminimous but I think it's workable and I would be supportive thank
you yeah I agree i think the reduction of that the two bathrooms up to because there were looked like there were like four bathrooms up on that upstairs and what's downstairs so I think this this makes it feel more like a thanks to like a single family home i think it was just
looking so so much was was piled in so I I I think um I think they're tasteful you know that the architecture is is appropriate um the way addressing the comments from the board so it's a nice application thank you yeah we gave you a tremendous amount of
feedback last month and I think you took a lot of it on board and I agree with you if you're not doing this you're not doing anything you know at this stage thank you thank you um sure you know I'll I'll add that I
don't um I think with this addition I don't see any detriment to the neighborhood i think that the that that it can handle the whole neighborhood can handle um an addition of this size um to Regina's concerns about flooding this is
right this is all on like a elevated second floor this isn't adding you know more more coverage um so um I could support it too i appreciate you listening to the feedback that we gave and working with us
i I agree with all the comments so far i think Mr did a really nice job of bringing it in the back end um looking at the um proposed site plan it's it is dimminimous i would agree with that and I would have no problem with it thank you
would someone like to make a motion my motion to approve the application i could second yes rosen yes regin yes yes david Bradford yes
yes yes thank you a21 right maybe I think those are part of A1 so now there's Can you show me those two that you're referring to
that was a part no no other mr b what you just crumbled up was that shown to the board at any point i'll change it to nine you can try to get by us
you got that now there's a lot you can get okay okay um okay next up we have calendar 4006-24 the address is 34 away the applicant is Robert Hess
should we put them on of course engineering oh okay first yeah you're about to be given this proceeding to be the truth the whole truth of the truth i do just state your name for the
record please robert Hles okay um m Mr hessles are you It It says that you're the applicant are you the What capacity are you here i'm the owner of RDH Design Group we did the design work and I did the application on behalf
of Dr abraham who's the owner who's here okay is Dr abraham going to be uh testifying is he going to be speaking he may yeah so why don't we have you come up and get sworn in oh raise your right hand please you swear
affirm testimony that you given tonight's pursuit to be the truth the whole truth truth yes just state your name for the record please jesus Abraham just spell it jesus is J E S U S last name is G O M E- Abraham a B R A H A
thank you all right let me let me just get some clear so this application was filed um as Mr uh as Mr hessles is the applicant but really you're the applicant this is your property this is for your
development correct correct okay and you authorize Mr hess to submit the application on your behalf yes I do okay and um and he is your design professional for this application correct
and have you reviewed the application materials yes I did okay and do you believe that they are accurate in terms of their contents and what is being requested of the board that's correct they represent what the application is
we're going to in a second okay so thank you that's that's important clarification and just so the world and those in the audience know when one files a development application the uh the developer the owner should be the one who's uh who's filing it on
their behalf not by not the professional you're of course entitled and encouraged to have many professionals uh help you with the project but it's the uh property owner who really should be the applicant for a uh a single family home application so that being said so Mr
hessels what what is your profession um I'm a landscape architect and I'm the owner of RDH Design Group so you're going to be testifying as a landscape architect for this application i'm actually going to be testifying as the design to do the conceptual designs for
the architecture of the pool house okay so you're not an architect i'm not an architect and so the plans the RDH design group plans that were submitted they they were done by you they were
done by my office by your office okay i see that there is um a PE uh Mr horl yeah he's here brian Hley coral hley yes okay he's here yes that's
okay okay and so Mr are you going to be testifying yes on behalf of the engineering as needed yes okay got it so why don't we have both of them get sworn and then we'll
have them qualified independently raise your right hand you square testing the truth by the truth i do just say your name spell brian Hley spell your last name h O A R L E thank you
what my qualifications now we'll start with you if you could give us your qualifications right i had my uh bachelor's in engineering from Renolier Polytechnic Institute in 1991 i received an MBA from Rancolier in 1994 uh my professional license in 2002 and it's been in good standing with the state
ever since um I've testified mainly in Essex and Mars County and I have testified in front of this board pre-COVID we're just before pre-COVID thank you your qualifications have been accepted um Mr hessles would you give us
yours uh yeah again I'm I'm a graduate of Ruckers University in 1991 i studied architecture landscape architecture and urban planning and design um I opened RDH design group in 97 uh offering ex
like exterior small architecture like pavilions and pool houses pergolas things like that as well as uh civil engineering services um I got my license in landscape architecture in 99 i got a planning
license in 2001 and um when you say you have your planning license are you going to be testifying as a professional planner uh no no okay no and um I've been in front of this board i've been in front of a lot of
boards over my 34 years of experience um basically that's it your qualifications have been accepted okay thank you um I just wanted to start by just going overall with the
application um Dr abraham and his wife Sandra Winkler uh would like to construct a a pool house on their property also in that application there's a set of uh basement steps um on the residence which we can discuss a little bit um both are in the rear yard
um in order to do these projects they require three variances um uh building coverage variance permitted is 13% they're asking for 15.54 uh lot coverage is 35% asking for
38.94 and max accessory use coverage for rear yard is 20% and they're asking for 25.4% so that's the overall application um in terms of the design if you look at if you look at C page C1
um you could see the pool house in the upper right hand corner of the property it's uh 12 ft off their rear line and 23' 6 in off the sideyard um
I'm sorry c 1.0 is it S no you should have a C nobody has a C well that's got all the zoning chart and
all the other information on S oh that's maybe they're just uh Yeah the first one should be C1.0 apologies and not there's two S 1.0 there are two S1.0 yeah so the first one
should be C1.0 it's a typo um so I was saying sorry about that the um the pool house is going to be in that upper right hand corner as you can see from the from that map and uh it's 23
point 2 23t 6 inches off the side like I said 12 feet off the rear and uh also in the right rear corner of the residence there's proposed a basement access set of steps as well um does everybody see that off the corner okay um so those are
the two the two projects within this application um the basement steps themselves I mean are pretty much self-explanatory like I said they're located in that right corner um they're going to be made of concrete block uh wide enough to access
the basement right now they're designed at 5t wide uh for additional storage to be able to carry down also along with uh rebuilding those building those steps um the existing portico area in that space is failing the walls failing um so that
will be rebuilt uh together in one construction project I mean if approved uh so that's the basement steps and then I want to turn to uh A1.0 Mr hustles can you just clarify for me your variance is for building
coverage lock coverage what's the third variance max accessory use coverage do you have that on your plans yeah it's um it's down it's down it's number uh Oh I see it
yeah it's 21 um on the plans though it was the the numbers are incorrect it's actually the existing is 19.8% that's that's where I'm going here so So the max accessory use coverage let's just go through the numbers here
what's required 20% okay that's permitted and what is existing uh 19.8% and and what is proposed 25.4% yeah on this chart the patio wasn't calculated as accessory right
okay so building coverage lot coverage and maximum accessory use coverage um those are the three variances you're seeking yes are there any other variances required as part of the application uh not that I'm aware okay thank you
so turning to the the pool house um sections that we did um it shows the the overall the overall footprint of the structure is 681 square ft uh it has a maximum height of 16
feet and uh the right and left sides the center is a gable roof with open air construction and the right and left sides are enclosed areas uh with hip roof style as far as the materials it's
going to match the existing residence A1.0 the last one You got it okay the um the existing residence has gray siding uh with white trim stone veneer black trim windows um the pool house will look exactly the
same as the the main uh house and um on the the structure itself on the left hand side uh that room is uh 12 12T 5 in by 11 ft it will be a bathroom
um the center as I said before is that's like completely open uh to the outside no walls um it's going to have a fireplace and just open all the way through the back and then the right side is a is a storage room um it's like a
shed and it's the same size as the the bathroom it's uh 12t 5 in by 11 ft do you have a floor plan or I do have a floor plan I can do as an exhibit i didn't put it in with the application
sure you okay with that right on this one so what we're going to do is we're going to mark as a one floor plan of pool house what's the date of that the date on this is 6223
and was that prepared by you or under your supervision yeah it was under my supervision and by my office so why don't you um I have copies should I just pass around the copies be easier
what's that oh yeah sure stand take one and just pass around [Music] yeah I made lots thank you does that make more sense it helps right
sorry about that all right um so why don't you just very briefly walk through this floor plan that we've marked day one now that the board members and the public can visualize okay so as you can
see the left room that I was talking about originally uh which is 12'5 by 11 overall uh will have a shower uh toilet in it a sink and uh closet with a bench seat and some
cubbies um that also that room will also be air conditioned being proposed to be air conditioned um the main pavilion area as you can see that's has it's supported by four columns set up with
the main fireplace in the backside it's completely open um like I originally said and uh that's those those overall dimensions including the pillars and everything were uh that was 19 foot6 by 1910 that includes the columns and
everything and then the right hand room is uh laundry utilities and the storage space on the right hand side and it's the same size as the bathroom the left wing
um this property uh is it an oversized property um it's not it's not an oversized lot oversized lot no it's only it's 27 square ft over the allowable um so it just makes it
is it over or No no it's Yeah it's a conforming lot it's a conforming lot by 27 ft so the existing the the uh the required is 29,000 the existing is 29,027
yeah 27 feet over okay yeah it's slightly over what's allowed and the width is the width conforms i mean it's a conforming lot over as well as the lot depth yes um and your existing building
coverage is that already over from the survey and the information that we put they they had it at exactly 13% our calculations show it at 13.11 so it's it's over because permitted right yeah slightly over existing what
about the lot coverage is that already over that's over too yeah and maximum accessory coverage is almost over max accessory is like right at the limit and this house already has a pool correct yeah has pool patio outdoor kitchen and a patio yes and now you're coming before
us to ask for a pool house pull house yes how how big is the pool um looking at the pictures it looks like it's smaller i want to say what what is the dimensions 16 by 40
16 by 38 i have the overall square footage i'm not that good at tell 758 ft is the existing pool so it's pretty The house the pool house is slightly smaller slightly smaller yeah
yeah 681 square feet total just wait the the new construction you're counting the entire footprint of the new construction because on the drawing new construction the footprint in the new construction looks pretty
close actually yeah the the footprint is 681 square feet the dash line is the overhang what do you What do you uh what utilities are going to be going in the utility area uh electric and a water
heater okay and that comprises how much space um 6x6 give or take i mean that's pretty big i'd say you know 5 by five yeah max
right so if the utilities are going to be 5 by five max the balance of that space is going to be for laundry and storage yeah just for storage and yeah maybe a washing
machine i mean the pool house itself is going to be winterized um and like I said the bathroom will have air conditioning for the summertime use so both sections will be air
conditioning correct no not the not the storage area just the bathroom side is the open air p so that's none of that is enclosed that open air pavilion area it's completely open yeah so what what
would compliance have looked like if you I mean could you have complied if you made a smaller pool house or is it just too small it would just be too small i mean there's so it's already that's you know 12 by 11 is a healthy bathroom
right i don't know if my master bathroom is 12 that's a big bathroom yep uh you got a you know reasonable size patio area just said you have a bunch of other things that are already is this the smallest this could
be practically um it couldn't be smaller than this i mean and honestly yeah I guess it could be smaller yes well you're you you're a designer with a lot of experience how much smaller could it be reasonably in your view um I I wouldn't know off
the top of my head i'd have to sit down and kind of redesign and refigure what what what what what justification like what what is your you know what's kind of the positive and negative criteria that you have i mean we're talking about
an oversized lot um we're talking about building coverage and lot coverage that's already maxed out for a house that has a lot of amenities a pool a hot tub a very large patio an outdoor kitchen and now you're coming before us to ask for a pool house a very large
pool house like where you know need more than just you want it no understood i mean the backyard I don't know how many people got out there it's very private in the back um aesthetically obviously it's you know it's within keeping of the
the residents and the area um there's only two houses on the culde-sac i mean it's an ex extremely private um you know there's there's nothing that would you know make it like stand out to the
public um or be egregious is there any hardship to the property that make this this There is none it just has a unique um shape to it but uh there's no there's no hardship what's unique about the shape um well the right
the right hand you got to look at the survey do you have that as part of the application let's see one yeah it's the small one because the plans that that wed there's a wedge like on the on the northwest
property line that carries all the way down the the uh the culde-sac it's just a extremely unique shape which kind of set the the house a little bit differently um than it would have been making the backyard a hair
smaller but that has nothing to do with the size of the house you're proposing it doesn't right no you don't have to have the house there or that side so you said the house has the pool house right you can't change the house mr hassel the the survey identifies the
proposed basement access steps and your S or C10 identifies proposed basement access steps they're different which one we going going out to the side
oh it's the one on the the C1.0 they come out to the side what's the square footage for the barricade the actual steps themselves well the whole I think you have a little platform in there at the bottom yeah it's um I was at the facility at the New York
you want to know the square footage you said yeah yeah um 242us4 it's 108 square feet total and what's the purpose of the staircase um to be able to access the basement
to gain access to the basement do they have access to the basement now no from the outside they don't have access no from the inside they have access yes is there a bathroom in the basement i would have to pass that on to
Mr mr hassle also on your last sheet your A10 you have a 16T height and you also have a chimney that's going up 2.3 ft two foot three inches above that yes so 18 ft 3 in is your max height um
Oh yeah including Yeah including that yeah I guess it would be so I had the roof height at 16 ft and you're required in that area is how much do you know it's 18 i mean we would shrink that down to meet obviously we finished Mr cfield
so quick question when I looked at the plan and then I went to the property today just ring the doorbell but people cleaning in there um I was wondering why you need a pool house when your pool is not that far from the back of your house
i want you yeah sure so the the reason the pool house is because the there is no bathroom there's no changing area and uh you have to access the kitchen with you know my daughter have now teenagers when we moved they were you know nine
years old didn't think that through properly so all the girls and come back to the property all wet they need to pass through the kitchen in order to get to the half bathroom that is in the first floor most of the bathrooms are in the upper floor and that's what I want
to keep some privacy and their room with the bathroom will have also a changing station also with some some benches so they can hold you know their friends and so on my daughter play hockey and she's in the in the in the scouts of the town
and sometime they do activities and so on so it's very hard to bring all these girls and be exposed almost you know bikinis walking through the house so I think that that's the main reason for that section of the house now the
storage that we talk about uh you know I have furniture you know pool furniture I have umbrellas I have the cover of the pool that is winterized and that's really you know heavy and it make space so to make it this is the closest space
we can you know put a stack all the you know the winter stuff in the summer and then get in the summer during the winter time you know be able to store all the uh you know the furniture and so on and
then uh during the summer time during the winter time then obviously the uh the mesh for the pool will will cover the pool because it's a requirement uh and that's what I think it keeps the privacy number one um so they don't need
to be exposed as they walk around the house and wet the floor i mean I have to go through that and fortunately you know my wife was not too happy about it but hey I took the fall and um and uh you know I cannot make the pool smaller you
know we make we make a pool size that is appropriate for us to swim and as a family and uh you know the project was already I bought the house already built up so it's not like I was planning ahead and uh and I'm working to what is allow
and you know what is convenient safe so to speak uh it's if you ask me the utility is huge it will add safety cleanliness and hygiene and and proper storage to my uh you know uh furniture
and so on because during the winter time if I don't you know now I'm using my garage uh and now my kids are going to start driving so I need to get stuff out of the garage to a storage unit that that will be that and uh you know it make it safer because sometime during
the winter time you know furniture flies and you know the cover of the pool you know potentially one time the cover of the bathtub gets fly to another property and my friend has to go and rescue it so it it creates it creates issues that you
know potentially I can avoid by having storage outside um is there any other place in your existing house that you could meet those needs of the girls that are I I hear you're paying for that bathing suits like the basement steps they could access bathrooms in your
basement they they might get a very small bathroom that there is no shower so that's what I want to create a shower could you put a shower in your basement a full bathroom no there is no there's no space but you could potentially just thinking outside the box because this is a big house and you're over Well the
thing is the the thing is that the that bathroom has the basin and the toilet and that's it but you could renovate it you know what i think this is getting we're getting into you know personal things that don't relate to you know our decision and things that we're not
supposed to even be taking into account so it's not a hardship under the law unfortunately does anyone else have any questions for Mr i have a question um your existing usage for building coverage and lot
coverage uh is already over the allowed limit yes did you get an approval for that uh uh at the time I was a house already built i don't know i didn't know this what happened was
these were both this was a subdivision both houses were brand new built by this I believe by the same contractor and plans that were submitted showed conforming houses built to the maximum building coverage my guess is they presented it at 13%
and who's to say when it got built that it was a little bit and so it came to 13.19 because you're really impossible to distinguish at the time from the construction i just want to tell the board also that the house because it's a subdivision
also I take care of half of the b the basing that correspond to the property but it's assigned to my neighbor but I do I do take care of the property i pay maintenance i keep it level clean and so on so the water runs properly and that's
a very large segment of property that is not being accounted by what I pay taxes for and maintenance for i don't understand that what are you referring to not that it's probably detention basically detention
bas um any anyone else from the board have questions for Mr um is there anyone from the audience that has questions for Mr hustles can we um Dr
yeah yes yes at this at this time can we just based on the comments from the board can we sort of go back and look at the design and reconvene at a later date sure i mean would you like to hear some comments or you want to do it just based on the questions i think we kind of have
a good amount of comments already have a couple couple if I could ask one question just the three the three variances that we're looking for today we kind of talked about the first two the building coverage and the lot coverage and I I think we can you know read the room on on what the opinions
are there but for the sec for the last one which is the maximum accessory coverage from an engineering perspective what I'm seeing here that I don't see in other townships is is the patio is considered an accessory structure um and in most townships that's not the structure is a shed or a building or
something else so that's adding to the fact that it's over and the second thing just to note is that the front yard setback on the property is 40 feet and the house is currently at 60 that calculation is only on the rear yard if the house was 10 ft folk more forward to
the to the front property line I don't think that max accessory structure for the 700 square feet would even be a variance so I I just want to put that one out there that you know of the other two I think we we are understanding where we're going but that the third one I think is limited by the size of the
rear yard the front yard was determined based on based on that you know I'm I'm just going to I'm just going to add I mean I I think this is an outrageous ask um for you know for this property and for a house
that already has all of these amenities and then to come before the board um you know when you're already over on built-in coverage or already over on lot coverage and you're this close to being over on max you know accessory coverage um everyone wants you know who has a
pool wants a pool house just because you want it doesn't mean you get it um you know I I don't I don't know for me personally that there's you know much that you could come back with that would you know make me feel differently but um
you know but absolutely you know you could try and if you wanted to hear any more comments I'm sure other board members would be happy sure i mean we can we can hear some more comments if anyone else wants to just add I'm just going to reiterate i agree completely with what this collab just
said i'm not sure there's anything you can do because you're so already you're already over the existing is over and now you're coming back for more there's honestly very little that I think would ever make me approve a pool house on this property i did go to the property today and I I was impressed by that that
it would look very very crowded and it would look crowded but also it would be o so far over we can't I couldn't have got in good conscious ever here although I was there Dr show me around
thank you um Sunday uh it's big it's very very very big it's I mean I'll leave my comments there i agree with Regina i agree with Miss Glad as well so did you were you sorry
yeah look I I agree with those comments too i mean certainly nothing like what has been proposed gets anywhere near a possible marriage in my mind so um I just don't think the proofs are anywhere near being a step close to to being established but you can come back if you
have a that being said we've been kind of ignoring the second part of this which is the proposed basement access steps i don't know if the pool house wasn't there what you know what where this would take the calculations you know
with the with the with the need for you know variances um but I could potentially be in favor of that um and you know again we can't get into your personal hardships we're as a board we're not allowed to consider
that but in my mind it seems like it could solve a lot of the issues that you know you spent some time talking about there's a bathroom in the basement and you know if there's a bathroom in the basement there's obviously a place for people to change and then you would by having these steps you would have the
direct access um you know into and out of you know out of the basement instead of having to walk through the kitchen if that was a concern again we don't need to get into personal issues but because you brought it up so
um do you still want to come back do you well so Just just so everyone's aware those comments are comments that the applicant has asked the board to give in terms of some feedback with regard to the application based on the proofs
presented so far yep um but the applicant has the right to ask for continuance if they wish um and then to think about to think about the comments from the board yes and we can reconvene
at a later date or you could control without prejudice you can modify the plan there's a lot you can do yeah understood do you want us to debate yeah if it's possible sure june 9th
and that would be at what address 434 Melbourne Avenue Board of Education Education Center building [Music] no further notice being required of the applicant i I I would just ask as a
matter of housekeeping that a letter be submitted um to Miss Dav to the extent we need to extend in time and then further um to clarify as to who the identity of the applicant is okay so the
records are okay so I'm sorry can you say that one more time sure i wasn't writing it out that's all right oh so we're we're carrying this application to the board's meeting of June 9th 2025 that will be held at the board of education building at 434
Milurn Avenue beginning at 7:00 p.m no further notice will be required of the applicant i just asked that um you submit a letter to Miss Davit not only extending any time for the board's decision should that be applicable but
also to clarify that in fact the applicant for purposes of this application is not Mr hessels but rather Dr abraham okay all right thank you thank you we're gonna take a one minute break one
minute oh my everyone turn their mics back on they're back on okay um next we have calendar 4014-24 the property location is 19 Reef
Circle um and the applicant is Allure and Ha Cotla who's going to be I'm going to be start standing to speak but I think we all will you want everyone sure why would you ever do you swear raise your right hand
do you swear from testimony given today's proceeding to the truth of the truth i do yes we'll start with you your name first nihar Allure n I H A R A L L U R samira yes s A M E R A P E D A K O T
L sergio Sharia architect yes sorry last name last name C H A B is in A R I A thank you may I start sure hello good evening ladies and gentlemen of the of the uh of
the board um I am Nihar Allure and I'm here accompanied by my better Samira at the Kla and uh we both are the co- applicants for this request today we also have our architect Sergio Sharia who's uh joining us um and just to give
a little bit of a background to the request um you know we're looking to add um one additional bedroom upstairs on top of our existing garage and um I work 5 days a week from home and uh out of the basement today i'm looking to also
have um uh a upstairs office so that we could work uh my wife also works two days uh you know during the week from uh uh from home so you know we're looking to have uh a better uh office space upstairs as well next to the bedroom that we want to build for our son uh we
are a family of four um my wife and I and our 5-year-old son and uh my father who lives with us as well uh we uh we uh bought this house right before the pandemic literally a month before our son was born and uh our son now is 5
years old he's part of the prek at South Mountain he's going to go to Wyoming and the intent of building uh this room is so that he can continue to have his own space um as he you know continues to go to schools within Melbourne um I'm happy to share any additional details as
needed but otherwise um I'd be I'd love to get Sergio uh to be able to answer all the technical questions as well thank you can I have your qualifications please sure i'm a licensed architect state of New Jersey in addition to nine
additional jurisdictions i graduated in ' 91 from NJIT with Bachelor of Architecture and I've been licensed in the state of New Jersey since 2003 all 10 licenses that I have are in this standing thank you and you've testified before boards before yes I
have before this one maybe many moons ago but Maplewood Livingston Morristown Newton do in residential and commercial capacity uh your qualifications are accepted thank you so basically I just I could
just describe the project in general uh the the two variances that we're seeking are basically pertaining to the sideyard encroachment um so as Mr said we're basically proposing to add a level above the
existing garage single onecar garage and expand towards the rear uh the setbacks to the rear are conforming the all other you know the percentage coverage F those are are also
conforming they're under the the max uh the only encroachment that we're we're uh making a little bit closer to this is a sideyard going from 5.7 feet to 2 feet and the reason we're doing that is
because if you look at the plan Maybe goes to 81 sheet that shows the proposed addition above the the lower plan is the garage level and the upper plan is the second
floor level we're proposing a two-ft can lever to the sideyard above the garage wall and the reason is because if we don't do that it becomes a very long space it would be 9
foot4 versus the 11'4 that we're proposing on the actual and that's what Mr ramu was uh was indicating that that room would end up becoming his son's bedroom in the future the other space right now would
would also become their their shared home office space so we're we're proposing a two foot canal lever to the sideyard and a two foot can oh sorry 18inch can lever to the rear of the garage but the the rear is still within conformance of the the
set that so I'm sorry are you saying that if you didn't have the can lever it would it would be a narrow space it' be 9 foot4 versus 11 foot four but you would still it would still require the variances either way yeah it
would be non-conforming correct the space uh that we're basically expanding above the we're I'm labeling the existing home office to the left below that is actually an open covered open patio
which they have existing uh pavers so that's actually not even uh going to be an impact with the the coverage so what's what's the the renovated home office going to be so on on drawing A1 you have home office
rena or renovated that's an existing bedroom okay so is it going to go back to a bedroom no that's what they want to keep as a home office shared home office shared home office so you're now going
to have two home offices yes for now oh I'm sorry the sec the one that says home office new that's going to be our son's bedroom it doesn't have a bathroom you know it's just it's just one room and we'd like to use it for our son that's
the one that goes above the garage and the other one that says home office Renault that goes that that's going to be that's going to go back a little that's going to be the office that's going to stay as an office that's going to stay as an office yes
did you consider any other locations for the home office slash son's bedroom where you know you wouldn't be you know two two feet off of the property line i don't
think there's any other place we could go like the only other place would have to be the basement where my husband already is but it's completely enclosed and there's not much light coming in there yeah can you describe the neighboring the use that's that's at that property
line so what what is to the what is on the neighbor side of that property line how far is the distance from your Where where is the house on lot eight the adjoining lot yes yes i don't know it's not on the survey so the survey we have
is of our property okay do you have any type of aerial not with me no no we would have street view do you have a street view you don't have Yeah we don't have We don't have a picture you don't have a mic
do you know whether the house has windows on that side yeah so it does have windows and where where are those windows relative to the the proposed group so they're not directly facing us the house next to us because we're part
of this culdeac those uh windows are actually facing up a section of our backyard so the windows that we propose you know um on our side of the house if you're allowed to you know build this room would not be looking into um the uh
into their windows uh and um uh our neighbors um have only a first floor um that abuts that gets back towards our house um you know their second floor is almost like um like an attic you know so it's like a one and a half and they
don't have a window there either so it's just their uh second living room um I know that essentially um those windows you know um because we are in the culdeac you know it trends towards the bushes at the back of their property towards our fence not towards this uh
this existing uh garage that we And there are no windows proposed on the sideyard yeah and our and adjoining us immediately adjoining us is about 3 to four feet of their own side here and what's on the
property line itself is there a fence is there anything so we have a fence that's at the back the back half of our uh property uh but where the garage is today um you know um our fence essentially starts at the at the back end of the garage and goes towards the
back of the property um we uh you know we have u right next to the the garage where the property line is uh we have u u a stone um you know not necessarily a walkway but you know a bunch of like different kinds of stones there that u
you know essentially is like a a garden of sorts and our neighbors have a lawn on the other side so are you would you be able to walk through i mean it's 2 ft wide are you going to be able to absolutely get it yes so god forbid there was a fire in that room somebody would be able to actually get to the
front of the house yes okay seems pretty tight yeah um they have we have two um uh entrances and exits to the backyard um you know with the with the with the fence that we have at the back of the house so uh the entrance and exit to the
house is not Sergio yes two questions um the uh sidey guard dimension for the left side you're calling it a 12.6 for the southwest the sideyard on the left yeah that's the 12.6 it's not labeled on the
on the survey how did you come up with it i did it i measured it on my on my computer okay i I had to do that to come up with the calculation for the combination no I think you said you could ask the
surveyor just to the survey to put it on i can ask him to do it but you know just also just following up on one of the questions that one of the other board members have how come you have the rear of the building the existing building why don't you just fill in between the
two where the pavers are i think that's where they have the SL that was a something I was considering but I think it it would block the bathroom windows is that what you're talking about i I didn't look that far but I mean just trying to get you off
that sidewalk that's where our kitchen is yeah the kitchen and I think there's two windows to the bathrooms and I that's the sliding i I don't think they wanted to lose daylight from from that so we only were able to the over the coverage of
the the over building basically just covers that kitchen window so where it says kitchen existing kitchen that that's basically where sink is to to the left of that i believe there's there's another window there or slightly there is so they didn't want to
lose daylight on that side and just trying to get you some options because when you put something two feet off the boundary line I mean we one of the reasons we're in a suburb is that we you know we're not like in Jersey City where we have a shared party wall or something zero and it's you
know one of the neighbors might be close if you didn't if you were coming out to the front if you were only doing that second floor above the garage and were coming out what would the side what would the sideyard step back if you weren't coming out those what if I were
just to project it straight forward you' probably be about four feet give or take yeah yeah what was the what was the why did you decide to bring it so far forward because it is such a long uh room as as you noted because if you
look on the second floor that's where I'm locating the door to enter to that bedroom if I were to line it further back with the garage the face of the garage you would have to carve a space out of the home office to go into it which is
also pretty deep right yes so you would just make it more of a hallway if you had to okay that's the choice because a 28 foot bedroom is very very deep it is i agree
you see what they mean if we were to line this up here then you'd have to come into the bedroom this way that becomes a door yeah but it's F but you're still within F and everything it's just like Yeah
correct i think that's what we're feeling a little concerned about i I think if if we were to pursue that option where we were to to hold the face of the garage and bring that two foot overhang you may
be at like three feet at that point yeah well it'll be three feet as I as f as I go further back maintaining the two foot overhang to the right to the side yard can I ask Are you finished your
testimony by the way i wasn't I know we started asking questions yeah basically I mean it's pretty simple um is there any hardship to the property that makes things difficult i think the only hardship is that it's the way that the building is set is set
to the right side of the property you know I can't move the building so and even configured understanding the inside how the inside of the house works there's really no other place to put this addition if we were to put it
on the other side that on the left side of the the rear property that space I believe it's a it's a vated room so putting a a space above that basically would really you know jeopardize the the
effects of that that space as it exists well you do have a sort of a regular shaped lot right you the fact that the property line you know comes diagonally in if you had if this was a a straight rectangular lot or square lot you wouldn't have you would
have you might not have this problem correct you have this problem because of how you're where you're putting it in light of the property line and how it how and the shape of the property right that's your hardship right correct do you know was there a variance relief
granted for the the sideyard existing sideyard deviation pri prior to them owning the house i'm not sure i don't I don't know prior to owning the house at any time this property we do not request for
any variance after we purchase the property in 2020 i understand that so I don't have you didn't investigate whether there had been variance relief granted in the past correct we did not investigate so if I could just ask for some just a sense of clarity there you're asking for
three variances correct yes but you had said two but we have three but I wanted to make sure they didn't maybe minimize or get rid of some setback up to 18 ft the sideard set back above 18 the combined and the combined yes sorry it's
free three and um the existing usage for the most part looks like it's already not in compliance am I reading that correctly that it's supposed to be eight but it's 5.7 is that correct that is already not the existing isant correct way and then
we're exact the ask the request is to exacerbate to exacerbate to two feet right for all the additional feet for all three thanks just just one other well one other
question for me there's a on the Morgan survey it states uh discussion topic asphalt and curb cross boundary line between subject lot and joint adjacent lot 8 do you know how that came about
aspart and curve cross boundary line we've always known that line to be our property no that's your property line but but I'm I'm asking it looks like from the survey there's a minor encroachment of asphalt and curb over
do you know how that came about that's pre-existing thanks even if that's correct it doesn't help us with the Well except I I understand it's just all on that side that's why
correct yeah and in terms of safety you know getting to the that bedroom not you know the proposal was to put egress windows front and back you're always going to have a driveway there so fire rescue is going to be through
the windows either way never to the sideyard just to clarify one more thing so this bread shaped thing is is the pavers that's the patio correct yes and the kitchen is located I guess perpendicular to that
kitchen is just like U-shaped the house is U-shaped and the kitchen is at the center of that U-shaped area that's the kitchen and what's on the sides of the kitchen of the kitchen we have a full bath on the left side a what
a full bath a full bath okay and then right next to that is the um um is a second living room family family room and what's on the right that's the garage that's the garage that's the garage yes okay and the and the addition is going to be mostly or proposal is
mostly over the garage and a little bit over the kitchen yes yeah okay thanks i just wanted to make sure the right so essentially Yeah yeah it is above the kitchen above the kitchen slightly about half of it and then also over the garage a little
bit and then forward to 2 ft thanks for that clarification any other questions for board members is that it for your testimony now pretty much yeah um any questions from anyone in the audience
sure come up please what's your name um John Chen um J O H N C H E N um your address um 7:36 um Ridgewood Road
um yeah um I just um had a question about like um since um the Yeah um we're um neighbors and uh we share a yard and um I just had this concern that
since like the structure next to us is getting larger and um our property like suffers from some flooding sometimes so I was um sort of like kind of concerned that the structure next to us got larger like how would could that potentially
like um increase our flooding or not yeah Mr chair where's your property in relation to this property oh uh we share the backyard can you just point to on the survey this is where you circle so that would
be behind are you behind us yeah you're behind you 42 no that's David Ross he must be here wait are you L 41 um it might be about What is your address 7:36
736 street okay so you're in the rear you're somewhere in the rear of this property sorry so so your your question is is who to the architect about um the impact of
potential storm water runoff onto your property if this application is approved go ahead Dave um just looking at Google Maps 736 is not a part of the property it's
not no it's 738 is the one with the small common border 7361 sorry you're here so it's Oh okay uh yes i just received this notice so I thought Okay yeah it's fine it's okay
this question still remains so so Mr ch's property is to the northeast thank you David of this property somewhere would this addition have any adverse storm water management impacts on his property
not in my professional opinion it's below the maximum permitted the improved coverage is is not in excess of the maximum permitted so I don't see why it would so you're in compliance with
building coverage and and lot coverage and and rear yard setback rear yard setback and you're not aware of any adverse storm water um impacts on adjacent or surrounding properties
resulting from your client's property correct correct any other questions from the audience are there any comments from the audience if you have any comments you can now's the time to come up and you
can voice your comments okay I'm going to close the public portion um and open it up to the board yeah I was I have a lot of concern with the the two foot uh width and just the
fact that it is does need a variance i I don't know that I feel yet compelled by the you know the testimony that there's not a way to to design it such that um it could be closer to to complying so
um I I I think the the idea of expanding it and creating the bedroom I'm I'm supportive of that i understood the testimony but I think just the physical dimension it does seem uh not in compliance with sort of the the law of the zone you know the
intent of the zoning i would agree with Beth the two feet is just too close uh I think you should look into Sergio you push it back whatever you want to do is to create that that buffer um come up with some other way to address that two beat is
very close yeah I look I agree with that i don't I don't recall seeing anything that close ever to a to a property line so I I think with a little creativity um I think you could come up with a solution that would work u but this is just um
you know I the neighbors doesn't appear to be here tonight but somebody maybe the next neighbor would be pretty unhappy to have a house that's two feet off the property line so I I understand the testimony about the windows nevertheless it just seems too close and I just I think there has to be a you
know you seem like a very good architect there has to be a way to design this that would be less problematic agree with those comments it's too close um I agree with all the comments made i can appreciate the your concern um um I will agree with you that the shape of
the lot being a pie-shaped lot and the diagonal property line are hardships however you're already um non-conforming your existing um setbacks are already non-conforming so it is exacerbating an existing non-confirmation and the two feet as others have said before me is is
shockingly too close um I appreciate the flood question i always appreciate that it's something to always keep in mind particularly Milbour it's a darling neighborhood by the way i never even knew it existed i thought what a great place to live um anyway I think it would be awesome if you guys could could go
back to the drawing board and think of a way to obviously my preference would be you think of something that's conforming number one and number two if you could if you can't do that then try to dial back on some of these areas i'll reconvene with the
owners i'll we'll figure something out thanks we appreciate your feedback yeah um so hang on let's see where next available date is and and I think if you're going to come back regardless we
it may help the board to see some photos some context of the adjoining structure on the adjoining property get a feel of the distances okay thank you
i don't think there's too much probably for May 12th or Thank you may 12th thank you is that gonna is that going to give you enough time to Yeah okay so this matter is going to be
carried to May 12th and that will be in our new location 434 Milburn Avenue um at 700 p.m notice the notice to be provided by the
Thank you thank you thank you thank you um okay uh we have now calendar 4028-25 the property location is 30 Jefferson Avenue the applicant is Mark Skagleon [Music]
yeah it's misspelled on the agenda sorry proceeding to the truth of the truth i do sure mark Sagliano that's M A R K S T A G L I A N O okay good evening um Mark Sagiano i'm
the homeowner along with my wife who's with our two young children tonight and I'm the applicant um we've lived in Milbour for 10 years we lived on Mountain Avenue originally uh owned a home over there and we moved to Jefferson Avenue which is the subject
of this application uh a little over three years ago we are here because we're hoping to install a pool um and we're on a corner lot so we have the two front yards and we're dealing with the safety fence around the pool
that's the the reason we're here we're not otherwise requesting any variances or exceptions in connection with the pool project um for the fence the issue we're grappling with is that a conforming fence would uh basically bisect the remaining green space in our
backyard making it significantly less usable um essentially the pool location is uh and the pool and and the surrounding pieces like the um retaining wall are going to occupy roughly half of
what is a front yard but we use as our backyard um and so even in making the decision to put in a pool we gave thought to whether we would have enough green space left for a usable area for our family uh and I think we concluded that if we retain the other half of the
yard uh there would be enough green space left for you know our children to play my wife is a herder for that sort of stuff there's a little bit of lawn and some foliage around the outside of it a conforming fence would would basically cut that area maybe 6040 or more or less in half
and so would would render us with significantly less play space on the lawn there um so I think if forced to choose between a conforming fence with the pool or without the pool we'd probably just go without the pool although we'd very
much like to put in the pool for our family um both of the properties we have but have pools that there's you know a lot of pools in the area in terms of um our family use of it future property value considerations at the same time we don't think installing the fence where
we'd like to which is uh along the foliage line that we have closer to Washington Avenue is much of a detriment because there's already a a line of mature mature foliage there that forms something of an effective fence a visual
fence um obviously not a safety fence and we're proposing to put the fence along that that line of trees uh so it's already divided from the street visually and we don't think um adding a fence there is going to significantly impact the character of that from the street
the property across the street that that part of Washington Avenue is sort of a smaller side street and the property across the street similarly is a corner lot with mature foliage their house doesn't face uh our property it faces Jefferson Avenue so they also have they
don't have an actual physical fence there but they have a similarly a vegetation line and so we don't think the view is going to be significantly impacted because they're not looking out at just for clarity purposes the fence you're you're proposing to put it on the
street side of the foliage or on your call your property side we're proposing to put it on the street side of the foliage just to maximize the usable lawn area behind um you know if if the question is motivated by appearance from
the street we we could either put more foliage on the other side of the fence or put it on the inside of there i think we're just looking to maximize the usable lawn space within the inside of the foliage though uh you could put it right up against the foliage i don't know how close you could do it not
folage but um wouldn't really presumably impact your use of the property yeah it would take some small space i I I agree with that um so I Yeah I mean I think that's the conclusion of my reading the paperwork you're actually putting this fence right on the boundary line on the
rightway line right uh no it's the property line the street Washington goes out another Yeah it's off the No it's the dash line is their boundary and then that's their property line isn't this their fence
that's the current line the property goes to the center line of Washington right that's the boundary line that's the fence line does the fence have to be set back so far from a certain distance from the street yes is the is the foliage you're talking about is that the
light shaded area it's uh these this area I'm pointing to here is the line of it's it's this in the picture which is in the materials and just so we know what you're pointing at that dash line is your curved line correct it's the property lines the the actual dash line
not the the this line is the curved line where the yellow is Oh I pardon your point i think you're right you're right you're right you can see the iron pin top i do oh actually that's not that's not true they're going that's the center line of Washington Avenue yeah there's the the iron you know this is what's what's difficult when the engineer who
prepared these plants is not okay so um especially on a fence application involving setbacks and location of meets and bounds um so it looks like there's an iron pipe
found right along that area where the proposed pool safety fences to be installed let me ask you a question why can't you just put a a safety pool fence immediately surrounding the pool yeah that's going to be my question as well yeah I mean
aesthetically we'd like to not divide the immediate pool area given the yard is smaller from the rest of the usable space in the backyard so we we're we're looking to make the pool part of the area that could be used together with the lawn area for Right but if but if
you put the fence immediately surrounding the pool area you're not impacting usable green space that you're concerned about no you would just be impacting uh progress between the two areas and making them less contiguous for
Are you aware um that the neighbor that you were referring to um across the street from you on the border of Washington and Jefferson came before the board um for a similar variance um for a for offense and it was denied no I was
not aware of that okay are there any other um homes on that street that have front yard fences the uh the house 29 Jefferson across the street has um I think they have one on the other
side they they have but two streets and then and the fence connects to the front of their house i don't know if that the house is that the one that goes um partially on Birch Lane yes that that's not a front i mean they they had a white picket fence but that was removed so
there's no Oh no i'm talking about a different house but I don't know if it it's not on on Jefferson if that's the question it it's off the side of the house so as far as you know on Jefferson No I don't think so at this time not that I know so you've got
a when you go when you go from Jefferson down Washington and you're on the right you've got a fairly sizable drop yes five feet or so correct the topography and all your these trees are up on the top of that close to the top yes correct
or the hill goes up and the trees are up toward the right right at the top of it yes and you're going to build this retaining wall kind of structure outside the trees to support the fence no I think that's for the that's around the
pool it's around the pool this that's that's not this is not on the side of of Washington no that's going around the back of that retaining wall going around the uh exterior this is this is proposed
at the bottom of the drop off so it's almost like right up against the street or at the top against the trees by the trees i was a little confused when your opening statement are you putting in a pool that we would like to put in a pool yes that's okay you you would not need a
variance for the pool no it's in a conforming location it's Yes this is the only thing we would need correct for this question any other questions so how tall is the proposed
fence it's uh uh 47 in something like that 47 and that's Yeah from it's got solid and it's aluminum and on I'm having trouble finding where it ends i might your property day and night when you say where it ends yeah where
does it end does it end on this at the the pool side of the house the backyard on the left trying to figure out where that gate is so it's it's a little hard to say where the fence the proposed fence is the proposed fence goes from the the side of the house here side okay
okay it doesn't across the driveway the long side of the driveway thank you yeah it's not sorry it's Yes at the back of it so it's conforming on this side forming on this side so we get to this side it's the side along Washington yes so the view here is this looking into
Jefferson that's looking at Jefferson from Washington so the fence would be along here so you're probably on the left side of this view and that's where you're looking to build any other questions for the board
and just one more how long will that be in terms of length from on the on the Washington side on this side it's it's shown as 36 and 37 ft and that's that's the dive no it's it's up to
37 ft from there from the corner of the lot up to halfway on the house or or two/ird of the way on the house i see the other made a comment that you might be willing to add other shrubbery on the other side
of the fence i think one of the things that I know this board really likes is to have shrubbery that camouflages so and you have an enviable arboriting edge wow it's beautiful but what would it be to how bad would it be for you to put the fence inside that beautiful
arbory edge on your property side and if not what would your solution be to camouflage the fence from the Washington Avenue side i I mean I think we would be open to putting it on the inside subject to figuring out how it work with the foliage gorgeous just like how do they
you must be feeding them or putting a similar thing alongside but you know that I think we'd be open to either of those okay thank you any other questions any questions from the audience any statements from the audience i'm going to close the public
portion um and I'm going to just uh take the lead here um we had a a member on our board for a very long time she passed away Mary McN and she would always um caution the board she was on
for many many many years and I'm sure Eileen will remember this um she would always caution the board that like the reasoning behind the no fences and front yards and short hills and it was to keep
to keep everything looking open and fences kind of closing everything in and if you know one corner property puts in a fence and then another one does and another one does everything goes from being just like a nice rolling kind of open look to everything being really
closed in and I think you know we've had applications that come before us it's hard when you have a corner property because you have the two front yards and we've had applications where they come before us and they can't put in even a pool without a variance because of being
on a corner lot here you're kind of lucky because you could still put in a pool and you could still put in a conforming fence and you could even put in a conforming fence that doesn't cut off like I understand that that that a conforming fence you know kind of along
the property that the perimeter does cut off a lot of usable property but you can put in your pool in a conforming way and then just put in a pool fence around it so personally that's what I would be in support of um just you know given also
uh the rest of the um properties you know in that neighborhood there are no other front yard fences i think it's going to look out of place i think you have a beautiful home a beautiful property um and I think a fence is just going to really look out of place moreover I don't see any you know for
for for for our purposes I don't see any hardship here um and you know I think the the negative criteria of it not um you know closing off the property and not not looking and keeping the character of the neighborhood um it
would be problematic for me but I welcome everyone else's opinions so I'm going to go next because this this uh I have to say I live in a corner lot myself and I have fenced and the former the people who own the home and the neighbor actually complained the same thing that Mrs mcnet did so they told us
that they didn't want the neighborhood cut off by fences that had interrupted with the flow but in my opinion I think that the fence just around the pool would look a lot weirder and if you are willing to consider putting it inside that honestly it's the most spectacular arborite I've ever seen i don't think it
would impede the neighborhood at all in my opinion um I think it I think there's your hardship is um loud and clear you're on a corner there's no way you can you can put a pool in without a fence nor should you um so I would be
comfortable personally because of because my because of my experience in my own house i'm super glad I have a fence and I'm so glad that the board a long time ago approved my fence and I think there are a lot of fences in Short Hills now this neighborhood maybe is a little more touchy but if you keep it
inside of the Arboride uh hedge on that side they're not going to see it i would I'll follow up on that i agree with Jessica if the arbitrary hedge decides to disappear and go away then we're still looking at a fence you could make a she could also say we have to
have a hedge there that that may or may not hold on hold water in 40 years from now i mean I as we discussed I mean the reason hills was founded to give that rolling hill aspect of it you start fencing everything in that just disappears that quality and character of
the town so I would pretty much agree with 100% of what you just said can I ask you on the board just one thing um just from a legal perspective um there was a there was a reference by you know Regina that you know being on a
corner is a hardship i just want to remind the board that technically to to have a property hardship to warrant relief under the C1 criteria the hardship isn't just oh I have a a
situation that's a little bit different it's a situation that is unique to your property in relation to the neighborhood and when you have a neighborhood you have a lot of corner lots especially in
probably neighborhoods such as this so I just want to caution the board that when you're talking about uniqueness of a particular property um sometimes that's because of the sloping conditions or the shape of the property etc etc but just in and of itself being on a being a
corner lot i don't know if it um constitutes or rises to the level of being a hardship in and of itself but if you weren't on a corner you wouldn't need a variance that's not the criteria the criteria isn't if you know if I didn't have this corner lot I could I could get a variance but so because I
have a corner lot I have a hard I have and a hardship a hardship that is unique to the neighborhood so again the other reasons that you stated may be entirely valid you you listed a number of them but I just wanted to comment on the
uniqueness of of being a quarter rock that's all i also just want to add I just want to make sure everyone um you know on the board realizes that you know because I don't know how many of you were on the board at that time that their neighbor across the street and I guess there was no way for you to know this but their
neighbor across the street came in for variance for exactly you know the same thing and the board did deny it previously that was on Jefferson or was it on Washington the house that's on the corner of Washington and Jefferson
that pretty much single the same across the road the house that they were talking about with all the vegetation and they actually planted a lot more vegetation after the board denied putting a fence you know on the road because the board did not want um
you know fence cutting off you know cutting off it just it wasn't you know keeping the character with the neighborhood um but but the board did deny that a few years ago i How would everyone ever get a fence in Short Hills though well you can have a fence it's just you can't have it right up to the You can't
have it close as that close to the property line right Alina as long as the fence is within the Then be on the plane front plane of Yeah of the house you can In my neighborhood there are You could absolutely have the fence um it's just a matter of where on your property you can
put the fence in my neighborhood there's a number but different neighborhood i had one other just comment or concern which is that the pool safety fence in my mind would be to keep out pets or children or just for the safety perspective so having a backyard where
it's so open to the pool and potentially accessible you know it's up for me to decide but I but I I I do feel like having it closer to the actual pool regina I guess your your view is that it's not as aesthetically pleasing i mean I certainly have seen pools with fences around them and to me that that
is feels safer um but I guess it just you know it's obviously a preference and and what you're um allowed to do but I you know that that is an option as well of course yeah look I think I think um I don't think the hardship has been
established i mean I just don't think the criteria for the for the variance has been met um you know I think certainly the policy reasons that that Jessica outlined um you know I think resonate uh with me um but I think there
are ways you could have your pool uh and defense which is obviously important uh without um uh getting a variance from this board when we've you know denied others in the neighborhood the similar thing so I I just don't think I can be so clear can can I make one other
comment also what Gary said which is that um again we look at variances not just under a hardship criteria that I talked about but we also look under the C2 criteria or under the flexible C2 um we do the board does an assessment as to
whether the benefits substantial outweigh the detriment so you may find that there's no hardship whatsoever but you may still decide that the proofs have been presented such that the applicant has demonstrated that the benefits essentially outweigh
the detriments and that the the approval can be granted that's up to I may not have articulated it um as as as you have and and and the way I should have but I thought that the point about the policy argument that
this would um uh be contrary to what we want the neighborhoods to look like uh effectively says that uh the benefits do not outweigh the detriments can I ask a question of our attorney if
the client were able to find examples of other homes in short hills with pools with fences that are not directly on the perimeter of the actual pool that or rather surround the backyard would that be something that he could come back to the board with proof that there are
fences just like his so he can absolutely come back to the board with those proofs i just want to remind again this is a good opportunity to remind the board that when assessments we've now talked about the positive criteria for C1 and C2 with regard to the negative
criteria the any applicant has the burden approved to demonstrate that approval can be granted without substantial detriment to the neighborhood to the public good and that's the neighborhood the neighborhood
is a somewhat nebulous term in that some cases say it's within 200 feet of the property some cases say it's less than 200 feet some cases say it's a little bit more than 200 feet it's whatever the public would objectively look at this
and say "Oh this is the neighborhood." So to answer your question if somebody came in and said "Oh I want a front yard setback of 10 feet and here are homes in Shore Hills with front yard setbacks of 10 ft." My first question to them would
be "Where are these homes are they in the relation to the subject property are they close to the subject property if you're driving in the neighborhood as you may define it are you going to see these homes?" So to answer your question if the applicant for this case were to
come back with photos and an aerial let's say of a tax map and saying these seven properties within 120 ft all have front yard fences and here are the photos of them in relation to the pools or what have you
that certainly um would potentially be persuasive in terms of the negative criteria we have to prove the positive criteria and the negative criteria but if you're showing on the other hand front yard fences in different neighborhoods I don't know if it's
necessarily relevant to the board's consideration especially if they are not in this is an R3 zone so if you showed fences in the R seven zone in front yards I don't know how persuasive that would be in satisfying the negative
criteria so for purposes of most zoning boards R3 would be the neighborhood not necessarily because or adjacent because there's there's lots of towns where where the R3 is half a town and I wouldn't consider that but not in short
okay i don't want to spend too much time thank you any other comments so I'm on the fence on this we've been waiting all night 111 uh I I hear your view um and uh if if
you could go you know it it becomes sort of invisible in a way it's on the inner side and it could you know if if that's what the applicant wants but but coming kind of coming back to what the policy has been broadly understood amongst the board and I wasn't part of the board at
that time so I don't remember that application um I I would tend to go with you know what has been generally agreed uh here um from from the board's perspective and then I that that sort of gets me on this side of you know of of
the of the argument so I would kind of you know not be in a position to support this just based on what was discussed here just kind of keeping the open nature of the the the township that we have kind of you know and can I sorry can I ask a question it sounds like
putting the fence on the inside of the vegetation doesn't address your concern because the vegetation may one day die and so that's not that was my concern that I raised oh I'm sorry i directed it to the wrong person but it sounds like I would be in supportive with that but it sounds like most of them That's what I'm saying it sounds like that doesn't solve
the concern you could make it conditional that the only way that this fence would stand is if there was an in perpetuity agreement to keep vegetation in front of it and we have made those i don't I don't think vegetation is is going to first of all no enforcement
mechanism and I think you would still see the fence even with other we have made other conditional approvals okay well I think I'm going to withdraw it then because it sounds like there's not Yeah
um it's always good to get feedback from the board sure okay um you you have the right to carry withdraw go to a vote if you carry gives you an opportunity to you
know take another look and see if maybe you can do something that while you may still need some form of relief it may address some of the concerns that have been expressed by board members um I mean okay I'm happy to carry it i
guess I I have a feeling I'm going to end up withdrawing it because it doesn't sound like there's a solution here but I'm happy to carry it talk to my wife yeah no I will sure I will so I can talk to my wife yes sure you might want to speak to your designer he might have I mean are you an architect i am not an architect no you might want to speak to
your architect your landscape architect they might have some ideas that will give you something that you can do you know within what what's No understood i think it would it would bisect what's left of the green space or the choice would be to put it right immediately around the pool so have those
conversations okay okay so so we can carry it till let's say if you decide that thank you
okay so this matter is being carried to May 12th with no further notice and as a reminder I still have the address memorized 4:34 4:34 right 434 Milbour Avenue um at 7 p.m
[Music] yeah Ready okay good YouTube last up we have calendar 4028-2 oh sorry nope i take it back we have calendar
4026-25 it's 55 Elm Street thank you for testing the truth three times of truth i do want your name just spell d o n g y a n last i spelled
I only two characters first I last I Timothy Ky I'm sorry K L E S Okay you ready yes sir you're okay yeah go ahead
so good evening board and thanks for having us at this late hour really appreciate so uh we so this is Lee and this is my wife Don and we have been living in Melbourne for about eight years since 2017 we were a family of four now family of six because my
parents decide to live with us and her parents in a way come from time to time you know given originally we were from China and we're the only child in the family so we can you know obligated to support the family we love the town you know we do from our heart and the
challenge here is our house is can smaller uh now six of us have to share one and half bathroom and especially the two kids you know growing up 14 and 12 now one boy one girl sometimes you know it become quite inconvenient because basically three men three women share
one full bathroom so the reason why we're here is we look at other alternatives and uh including you know looking the house in other town but that idea quickly got shot down by all the family members because we do want to continue our life here so we decide to expand our house and that's why we're
here all right the um give us our your qualifications i'm sorry thank you i'm a licensed architect in New Jersey and um in New York and my license I've been licensed for 30 years and my license is
presently in good standing and appeared in front of this board and presently I said because who knows in front of this board and um many others over the years um the site is 55 Elm Street it's on that lower it's on lower Elm you guys
can see that it's um you know on the lower side the below Wyoming side it's lot four block 209 it's an R5 zone it's you know an R5 zone first of all I guess has a lot area
requirement of 14,500 this lot is 10,000 so I'm going to say it's undersized like I don't want to say extremely but it's undersized and this is like an infill you our 1930s
colonials nice looking house um our uh intent here is to renovate the home to add to the rear and um I really got this client because I
did a house right next door that I came in front of this board i don't know could have been 10 or 15 years ago and um four variants and uh we actually have gone out to the same
depth as that addition but the difference with that house is that the zoning was a little bit different at the time but also the fact that the garage is under it has a onecar garage under the house and so I'm going
to say that this site has a little bit of a problem that it's got this twocar garage that's on that's on grade and that's giving me an increase in building coverage lot coverage and nothing else can I just interrupt for one second the house that you worked on that you said is next door when you were facing the
house like the front door of the house left side or right side right side so the house that extends very very long into the back yes it's um I don't know if did you remember the name was Fitz Simmons at the time um so anyway that house but
that garage is under so my client was in order to make this so hopefully I don't have to come back three two or three times like I've been hearing going on and have Eileen yell at me about the agenda we'd like to do a
couple of things that maybe we could cut on the house to make this work okay and I'm going to show you first I'm going to walk you through the plan then take you back into what we'd like to modify it through sitting a little bit
tonight so I'm on my BOA1 sheet it's the existing plan and then the proposed plan and on this plan you can see that the detach garage is way in the back and also the fact that that gives me a really really long drive that's the two big problems that's a lot coverage in
building so the other project you came and you actually went under here exist in the existing area of the house but it was a little easier to pull that off because the grade was sloped more so you could get in but that would that pulled
away the detached garage and also pulled away all this paving area so it made things work a little easier then I come I'm just going to go to my BOA two sheet and all we really did was
take the existing front i added this little porch to the front which is an increase in building coverage but I just thought the house needed it so I put it on and then uh we had this a large guest room on the first floor that's really for his parents that lived with them
okay and I went through and back and forth with them about making this room smaller and his father like yells at me really kind of when I trying to make it smaller they um because they they live here full-time
and they they really would like the larger space so then I modified the plan i come to a living room dining room i have a kitchen eating area family room a mud room i come down the stairs there's a detached
garage and there is my deck on the property i come up to my second floor and really I have two bedrooms for the kids i have a third bedroom which will really function as an office for um my
client because she's a college professor and needs the space for online classes and needs to be able to leave her material out you know with not in a place where the kids can get to it and then um my primary bedroom you know in
the rear there's still that garage sitting there i come up i'm just going to really there is an existing third floor it's very you know it's actually doesn't count to my F it's really an office and
a um sort of a work room for the kids and um attic storage space and then what I did when I got to the building I'm now on my beaway five because I think this is probably where things really matter
is I left the ridge exactly I'm on my front elevation now which is my BOA5 upper left i left the front ri the top ridge exactly where it was so I didn't push the building up any higher and then
I added this element you can see the dormer that I pulled dotted here in the left side and then I added this element here to the right with the gable that way added the front porch in the front to keep
this site in scale with the balance of the um the neighborhood i plotted in red so I guess this is really a sorry but it's a one really I guess
because I did A1 is colorized site plan elevations yes on and I I marked in red to give you an idea of the the variance the property
line is the red vertical line i come in 12 feet because the required setback in this zone is 12 feet really for a 75 foot lot width but we have a 50 foot width so the you know all of the
existing building is in violation and you can see how I've actually pulled that dormer in to make it less in violation then I come up and when I hit the 18 point I start going on the angle to hit 16 at 32 and that area is that
second violation when I get above the 18 ft because you know it gets worse so I plotted it on the left side and then I plotted it also on the right side and you can see that the existing building
so it's already an exhibit so I guess I can do this the existing building is sitting there and actually there's another part of that building that's there and I came out i've
added that mass with this roof that's falling back because I come up i'm 9 foot 9.9 ft at this point but I come up with my 12 and then I go on my angle again to hit 16 and 32 it gave me a
variance on this side of 6.1 and a variance on this side of 5.4T that's that area above 18 foot sort of probably the second variance that I mean then I
come and you I'm on my long side like the low side the kind of the right side and you can see how the primary gable is coming through and then I gabled in these two buildings that's my gable going in you know we like that because
it pushes this roof back and lowers the mass then I come back with my building and I ended up if I come back to my initial BOA1 sheet i ended with my
building a little bit about 3 feet less than the existing building to the left that we were just that I started talking about in the beginning you know you can see that I've located the adjacent home here
to follow that across where we are we're about I think it's about 2 feet that we are less in depth than the existing then I'm just going to go on to um show you I did this rendering I have this rendering done
this is the existing streetscape sorry it's my A2 it's a rendering um of the streetscape and I'd like to send this around let me see what I
have i actually have it smaller and I'd like to just distribute it if I could was that prepared under your supervision Mr pro yes yes and when was it prepared um a week ago
i'm going to say April that's the what's going around is the proposed building in a different color but I thought it may be good for you to look at it a little closer and I can pass this board around also you can see the existing building
on the left our existing home and then the existing home to the right and then what I what we did is we rendered in the building into the streetscape photograph so the same
building on the left and the same building on the right with our building in and we've changed the material from the primary facade to the secondary part of the facade and let the roof go back
so that we could kind of make the building appear to be smaller that's what that's really doing and I don't know if you want me to send this or I thought I sent you this i could Yeah that's pretty good that
That one is a a darker building and I Do you have a photo existing building do you do you have a photo of the Is that the existing building up top in the middle one is the existing building and I just had them change the rendering to
get it a lighter color so that they would be So the so on on your A2 the top left is the existing building and the bottom right is proposed building as color rendered yes into the existing streetscape right and the one on the
lower picture is exactly the same as the picture that you um as a record will reflect that other than the applicants and Mr classy there's no one else in the audience so given that my recommendation
to the board is if maybe Mr cleie brings A2 a little bit closer to the board member so they're able to see I could just send it or you can send it i said A2 is is the same as it's a the
bottom of A2 the bottom on A2 is the same i just changed the color because I wanted them to be the same color do you have any uh pictures of the house like from from like when you're facing it
from the right side that would show the house next door the neighbor's house next door google it can you Google it the trees block it it's hard to see the next floor i don't know
[Music] tim do you have a rendering of your proposals superimposed over existing i'm having I went there today i'm having trouble figuring out that is the rendering of the proposed you don't have like superimposed so we can see like in
plan like whatever just seeing what you're adding over oh no okay sorry i mean it's I think it's the lattice the lattice yeah show that too oh that's not bad that's not She really
wants to see if it's in that's what she's on there did I keep it he's just kidding don't worry picture or take a picture no no they want to see the one to the right they want I think
she wants to see I don't think that we Yeah I mean I just meant something i I went to the property i saw it okay so Tim the lattice area on B-1 is your proposed addition yes yes okay i'll come back gives me at least
some idea i don't have a picture of it jessica or I'm back on my BOA1 sheet okay and uh the existing building is
clears it's like no texture if you look on the right side I've cross-hatched to the right and that is really where we added a second floor over existing see and that little bit on
the right side when I cross-hatch to the right I'm going to say when we cross-hatch to the left it's a first floor edition and then crosshatch to the right is the second floor so this area is really a twotory edition that's
what's going on there's this small addition right there on the second floor over an existing building so anyway I'm going to run you through the zoning real quick because I don't know if anybody real but there is a basketball game
going on i just didn't know if you knew the the um Is it half time uh how do you know this 3128 so if I I'm on page 23 of your packet
right now oh pardon me this one yes yes the first variance is sideyard setback the left side is existing at five and we're proposing to add at
7.6 and the requirement is 12 so the variance request on the left side is 4.4 on the right side we're at 9.9 and we are we're
existing at 9.9 and staying at 9.9 and um that's a variance of 2.1 this is that that variance is really this is the
9.9 but our proposed going along behind that area is really conforming to the 12 and I set it to conform to the sideyard combined setback you can see our two lines our
side yard set back our side combined setback and then our side set back at 32 ft then the second variance is the one that I showed you in elevation with the sort
of triangle where I get above 18t high still a continuation of an existing condition that I'd like to say that we improved on the left side and left the same on the right
side on the and then in terms of side combined we have so well side combined remains the same because where the building touches the ground is still at the same location so
that's a the first three variances are really continuations of existing non-conforming conditions the second three variances are building coverage lot coverage and F okay um the our detach garage is 380 square
feet if the if that could come out of the picture right it would really be helpful to our building coverage our lock coverage and our F but what we talked about doing tonight when I was going in and out
uh was to cut the garage in half because the zone only requires a onecar garage the zone requires a garage but it requires a onecar so if we we'd like to cut the
garage in half and then reduce the depth of our building by 2 6 ft on both floors if I and if we did both of those
things our building coverage would be our request tonight would be 148 square ft of additional building coverage which is 1.5% can we just part what I did I I'm gonna
do it here we It's probably good to do it i guess I'd like to just make this A3 and um the We'd like to cut the garage in half and remove half of it does that
make it usable for one car yes it's still 10 ft it's fine well wait no wait go ahead wait well because the ordinance requires a minimum size garage do you know what it is 13 it's got to be 13t wide interior
dimensions so that you because the parking space is nine two feet you have to have two feet on both sides so I would then have to add a variance for garage right that's the new
So I pardon it's my BOA two sheets so I guess I would have to then add a variance for garage width i think this is I don't think this is something that you can do just like on
the fly um no seriously i don't I I don't think this is something you could do on the on the fly um so if you're going to come back you know that I mean if you want to come back that's fine but Okay um but do you
want to go over the other variances yeah let me just Yeah I think I think it would you'd benefit from getting some feedback from the board also as long as you're Well I'd like to stay with what we'd like to produce is that what we'd like
to propose is that okay or with what's in front of you i don't know it's up to you well why don't you do this acknowledging that you're going to come back with revised plans is that Is
that correct it's okay i was hoping to come back for memorialization well it's your It's your client's That's what I was hoping to do it's your client's application you heard a comment from the board member mhm in terms of maybe wanting if you're going to
revise your plans that they should be submitted to be reviewed by the board if you're looking for memorialization at the next meeting then it's up to you how you want to preserve no I just didn't know if I
could come back with revised plans for memorialization that's what I'm asking i'll jump throw myself on the fence on the on the on the sword here what you're talking about there's just too much for us to take into account without having
plans that being said I I don't I wouldn't be able to vote on it at all i would just deny it because I don't understand it unless you had plans instead of just saying we're going to cut off here and I appreciate what Okay no I understand that being said maybe you want to go forward with the
presentation as far as the setbacks as well i mean those might be an issue as long as you're going to do a redesign or potentially take a look at maybe redesigning maybe you look to increase your setbacks a little bit um and also you haven't gone through lot
coverage and I I I went through all three of the setbacks we'd like to leave them as they are because we think that our new setbacks are actually less than the existing setbacks and and the lot is undersized in width
okay the side the setbacks we'd like to leave as they are building coverage well what I was hoping to say is that if we cut the garage in half I guess I'd like your feedback on what I'm
proposing as an alternate as a concept okay well we don't know what you're Well I can give it to you it's very simple but you but but it's not because you proposed a 10 foot garage and that's not in No I would need a variance i don't
think that I mean I would not be in favor of giving you a variance i mean that that that's an ordinance for a reason and so you can open up your car doors otherwise it's not a functional garage so we need to notice that too wouldn't he we would have to notice it
unless if we have the disclaimer what about your lot coverage and your F you going to be able to get those down i could get the asks well I guess if I'm going to come back I'm going to come back with a garage at 13
ft cut the garage to 13 ft and that would give me I'm going to have a building coverage of around 2% request and I and I would I'll bring a
planner but I would think I'm going to say that the request is really because I have a detached garage that's not under the building and then my lot coverage will be about
210 square feet instead of request pardon me instead of 638 in yeah would be about 200 2 210 and um because we'd remove some driveway and
also remove the building and my F would go to about 270 that' be about 2.7 it's it's an easy one to convert it's about 2.7%
yeah you're going to have to show all this with revised plans with a revised attachment and you may also want to I'm sure the board appreciates the color rendering you may want to show the board
uh a view of the depth of this home the proposed depth as revised compared to the depth of other homes along that block only because you're you know looks like at least from the uh bird's eye
view you're almost doubling the size may not be anymore because of the the cutbacks but that may be something that the board may want to see especially as it relates to the F i'd really like to see that i have really big concerns when I went out to that property today and I
was looking that house next door that you you know said that you designed and that you mentioned at the beginning of the application I mean that is just that goes so far back and it closes off their property and I mean it just keeps going
and going and going and I was actually shocked i was like how how did this even I I was surprised i was like how when did this get approved how did it get approved was I on the zoning board when it got approved i looked I I did a Google search to try to find it to see if I could get any you know any
information nothing came up in my you know in my search but I have like really serious concerns about doing the same thing to the property right next door and then you're going to have like like a a tunnel you know because these houses are really close to each other and
they're just going to go so far back um that's my concern too what's your time june 9th may 12th may 12th you're after 39 [Music]
that's not going to be at least that's not going to be a real I mean because I don't I think we still have a long way to go on this this is not going to be a five round june nine june
so can you please do [Music] Okay so this application is going to uh be carried to June 9th without further notice unless Tim you Oh sorry well they
don't think they can make it they can make it oh they can't make it okay is there another one june 30th is it June 30th june 30th no june 30th june 30th okay so we're going to carry this to June 30th without
further notice unless Tim you decide to do something where you're going to need to get new variances and things you would need to notice i understand um and again the new location is 434
Milbour Avenue and it will be at 7 p.m that's the ED center no big Um I don't guys we're still we're still we're still on um I don't see anyone else in the
audience um so would someone like to make a motion would love to make a motion to adjourn today do a second all in favor everyone happy holiday