We got to tell you probably I've got a lot of email here stuff and I'll see what I can give you. Good evening. I'd like to call the June 23rd, 2025 Burough Council meeting to order. Will the clerk please read the open public meeting statement? Adequate
notice of this meeting has been provided as required under chapter 231 public law 1975 specifying the time, date, and location by posting a copy of the notice on the municipal building municipal website, providing a copy of the annual notice scheduled to the official newspapers of the burrow and is on file
in the clerk's office. Will the clerk please call the role? Council President Zambrana here. Councilman Collins here. Councilman Mo here. Councilman Posnansky here. Councilwoman Payne here. Councilman Potter here. Mayor Murray
present. Burough attorney present. Burough engineer Mike Mlen present. Bur engineer Luke Lasanka present. Brow administrator Fred Carr present. And I am here. What will everyone please stand for a moment of
silence which will be followed by the salute to the flag to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
All right. First on the agenda, we have a presentation by on-site partners for the battery storage project. Mr. Clansson, please. Thank you for having me here tonight. Uh I'm excited to talk about the battery storage system. um just have a quick
project overview for uh recapping why the project is being produced and why we need it here and then so a bit on safety standards and hopefully that opens the floor for questions. Uh but you can ask questions anytime that we're going through. Um so I'm ready for the next
slide. So uh project overview again the grid charges are the reason that the project like this is valuable. Uh today was one of the high price uh grid charge hours. So we'll go into uh when we look at burrows like this typically a third of the power bill is based on the
electricity flowing through and serving the customers and the other two/irds is based on the infrastructure that is in place and recovering that infrastructure both the capac the transmission which is the big transmission lines and then the capacity uh power plants to produce the
electricity. You can see the the price graphs, but capacity on the left has shot up over $100,000 per megawatt per year and uh transmission has had a steady growth all the way up to $180,000 per megawatt per
year in this region of the country. Um those cost components are fluctuating, but they are not something that you can shop or find an alternative supplier for. They are or hedge against or hedge against. Right. Is it in understanding the process or
just what I understand is the same way my house unit air conditioning unit is taxed to its extremes in this temperature. I'm sure your data cooling centers and the whole powering process that has kind of exacerbated the issue
of supply anyway that goes up in this situation as well. Right. Um I I would say that that's that's what we're seeing here. I think this today is one of the first times in maybe the last 5 years that the the uh load has been as high as it is uh and and it continues that that
pressure on supply and demand that you see in the left curve there for the capacity available to serve the load relatively early in the year for this type of temperature it is mighty hot too but yes cooling is
a big thing in the summer um I think that's it on slide two any questions on slide two and the and the cost of the grid power. Sorry, I'm turning away from this side. Um, and then how can batteries help? So, the key takeaway here is that the the
way that burrows like Miltown are charged for electricity is based on the five peak hours of the year, the the hottest hour on the five peak days of the year. Um, and the same way for transmission. And so a battery project can help by operating and taking using
storing up some of the energy when it's not a peak hour and then dispatching the battery to serve the town's uh grid during those five peak hours for the transmission system and five peak hours for the capacity uh grid. So that's kind of the in I know we went over this in September, but just wanted to go back
over why the battery project and how can it actually produce value in this situation. How do you determine the five um best days to to to gather the energy. How do I mean, do you go before someone
studies uh temperature well ahead of time because I I studied 10 days ahead, but you guys would be months ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're definitely keeping an eye on this week in particular um and watching each day and week and then we had this morning there were stand-up meetings where people were
talking about what they were seeing on the grid. Was it actually happening the way that the forecast showed? What was going on with weather? Was there rain events coming across that might move that an hour? Um, and PJM themselves offer a great amount of load forecasting information and then a lot of it after
that is is experience. Uh, we're getting uh AI involved in the in the choosing and helping us choose what the competitive game theory and what might happen with other people's resources. So, it is uh evolving and and we're always on it. We have a whole team that
is really just dedicated to making sure they know when to operate the battery. Well, I know you're dealing with lithium ion right now, but I know that sodium ion is also on the horizon and it can slip into the where the battery packs I guess would be. Is that is that something that could be a progression
for like a situation that we have or I mean you're it's lithium ion now but there's so many other avenues because I've been reading a lot about this. Um, so it's lithium ion on now. Would that be for the next 15 years or could you possibly go into other areas? Well, in
the future, in the future, the the chemistry will continue to evolve, I'm sure. Um, and and there in my slides later, we talk a little bit about how there has already been kind of a a shift change in evolution of the chemistry that they used to use and what everyone's coalesing towards now and even the auto manufacturers. Sure. Um so
we'll get into that I think on slide seven or eight but um for what we build for this project will be the same chemistry from beginning to end. So we will build one facility here that facility will be in place and we'll maintain and operate it through the life. Okay. So yeah but in other future
projects the the chemistry could change. Sure. Um, so, so just to piggyback on Councilman Kaznansky's question, you can't like all of a sudden if you find a better chemistry, right, five years down the road, you're not going to be swapping them out, right? You can't mix and match. No, sir. We would be leaving
this would be the design for this facility and we would go forward with it. Well, council, that's that's exact exactly where I was going. So, I appreciate you brought that up. Great. Any other questions on just just one thing and then please continue. Um, the batteries, do they last? Is it is the is
it five to 15 years in general in and the the ones here would be in that category? Five to 15 year range. Yep. The the batteries that we have um they offer 15 or 20 year warranties on them and it depends on how much you use them.
They're called throughput guarantees. So you're watching um and understanding. It's kind of like a 10 year 100,000 mi warranty. So you can have it, but if you drive all your miles away the first year, you only get one year. So we watch carefully how much you're using the battery to stay under the warranty
levels. And then um we expect this project to last the full 15 years. Thank you. Great. Good questions. And anything else? We There's a few more slides I think that'll keep up some talking points here. So getting into prediction
and I'll just move through this quickly but I think we went through this but this what this graph shows is five separate days and the load in this town I believe it was at in 20 23 and so it shows exactly those bars are the
basically your speedometer or your um how much load was going through your substation on those days. And so if you picture and the red bar is actually what your load was during the peak hour. And so if you can picture your uh new 8 megawatt battery operating at 8,000
kilowatts in that hour, that number 11,500, I can't quite see it, but that number would go down to 3,000 from 11,000 if it was if your battery was running at its main plate value in that hour and then on down the line. So we would predict the hours and and run the battery and
try to move those predict the load forecast and operate during the uh to reduce the bar during those hours. Any questions about how the project attacks the load? Okay. And the last on the project
overview is just an updated economic example. I think the last time we talked, we talked a little bit about revenues. Um the price of the project had not been set through the competitive process. We we were able to um get the bid package, understand where you wanted the the project, and um our bid was
annual fee of $497,000 a year. That's the top line. Um the transmission savings um amount for I mean we talked that transmission is $180,000 per megawatt if the battery if we are 80% accurate in reducing um the peaks
meaning that we would get four out of every five peak events uh and a 7525 share which is what was called for in our bid then that would produce $864,000 of transmission savings. And then similarly in capacity um an 80%
effectiveness and the Miltown's 75% share would be $480,000 of capacity savings or a bill reduction and the net of that is $847,000 and that's based on 2025 rates. So if the capacity and transmission rates are
different next year that number will be different. The top number is fixed for 15 years. Joe, quick question. Did uh was there performance u guarantees? So if you don't make the four out of the five, is there a a a uh penalty for not meeting
the the four out of the five? Yes, sir. The the bid specs called for a something called a minimum obligation which our company signed up for when submitting our bid. And the minimum obligation means that to the extent we don't hit that, then we are um we are financially
um financially obligated to make it as though we did hit that. So you've got skin in the game, so to speak, on the profit margin and also on the penalty if your failure is there. Yes, sir. I like it. We we're highly motivated to to do
very well on days like this and and also the little things that that help you do well on days like this, like making sure the air conditioning units are running well and that the project's ready to go. So, you're essentially partner with us. Yes, sir. That's why we kept that that uh in our name, on-site partners. That's
one of my favorite parts of the name. So, um yeah, that so that's a recap of the things we talked about in September. Um, and I just wanted to, you know, set the the floor for why we're doing the project and and how it creates value and kind of the the magnitude of the value
that's created. So, the last two slides are really on safety standards. Um, you know, the the Miltown battery project shall be designed to meet the NFPA, National Fire Protection Association 855 standard and the UL 9540 standard.
That's the underwriters laboratory. both um consortiums really are set in place to to produce best practices and share them. Um and the NFPA 855 is is the standard for the installation of stationary storage systems. Um it's
critical safety standard focused on minimizing the risks associated with these systems particularly regarding fire and thermal runaway events. And similarly, UL 9540 UL is a global um safety organization and they've set
forth a comprehensive safety standard for these systems and it sets requirements not only in the design phase but the construction, the testing, the ongoing operation and ensures that the systems are safe and reliable. So no test on this. I mean you don't need to
remember that but the key point is the industry has made significant advancements and really there are global safety standard institutes that are realizing how prevalent this technology is and so they're creating best practices and coalesing around design standards that are that are making them
safer and um and better for adoption. So that's that's the key takeaway for us. We are there are people that are set forth the best way to do this and we are contractually obligated to use those to follow those standards both in our design and the
construction when we test them and commission them and then throughout their operational life. So that's the the big picture that was required in the bidspecs and it's included in every battery project that we design and operate. Um can I I'd like to talk to you about something I was going to ask you later but I'll ask you now. Um
because you were talking talking about thermal runaway and and possible fires. Um are you familiar with the fire at Moss Land in California? I am. Uh January 16th. I'm very familiar. And u I've looked into I'm not going to go into the details, but um
what I what I've read about it was that they really couldn't put the fire up because of the the contamination from from all all the chemicals, the u you know, air, lands, sea water. Um, so I mean they had a could read this. They had a very difficult time with that. Um,
but but you also mentioned thermal runaway. Do you want I've got more on it, but you want me to make a small statement about thermal runaway or would you like to talk about it? Because I mean I know about it, but but you I'm sure you know more than I do. Would you like to explain thermal
runaway? Um, sure. I I basically I think the best way to talk about what we've learned from Moss Landing and what how the industry has learned from it or some of the key differences I guess between a project like this and Moss Landing that's a um different in a couple key ways and I think I'll I'll highlight
those one that's a really massive project a mega project if you will that project is I did the math uh going into this it's 187.5 times bigger than the project that you'll have here so we're talking about 16 megawatt hours here uh versus 3,000 megawatt hours there. So,
it's a grid scale facility. Well, I think they also handle like 1.4 1.5 million homes. So, that's a huge difference. Yep. Um the another key difference there is that it was built inside. So, that facility was actually built inside of an old power plant power
station. That's a key difference that's very rarely done. It's not the standard any longer. Um and so that that cong congregation of energy units and then those being indoors is created another challenge for
them as far as how long it took for that energy to dissipate. Um a bit another really big one is the chemistry. So that was a NMC battery nickel manganese cobalt uh which is a fund is a a lithium ion technology but is different than the lithium iron phosphate technology that
the industry has standardized now and that is being used in in this project. Um the difference for those chemicals is that uh nickel manganese cobalt the NMC the moss landing technology does have a lower limit at which it can start its
thermal runaway and when it does start that it does actually um produce more oxygen in the reaction which feeds and propagates the fire. So, I don't want to come off as that I'm a chemical expert or a fire, you know, a combustion
expert, but I we have learned as an industry what is working better and what's creating greater safety. I know those details about it, but that that is one of the reasons it just takes you further away from the point where there's there's danger by operating with a chemistry that is at a lower level of
um or that that does not uh propagate at a lower level. And so it's just a best practice. Um so those are three big differences between the two projects that I think are important and you know we're heating. The other thing is that I think that project was designed in the
late uh 19 2019 and then installed in 2020. Some of the standards that we're talking about today were not at the level that they are at today that are required of a project like this. So the NFPA855 and the UL9540 were at previous versions or not even released. And so those best
practices just weren't, you know, I'm not here to say that anyone did anything wrong on that one. I'm just saying the industry has learned and we have improved and I think you're looking at a different situation here. Well, your technology is it's it's gaining rapidly because that was 20 um 2020 when that
was built and it's like you know that's early technology. Yeah. As as compared to now. As far as fire containment, you're you're a lot more knowledgeable now than you were then because I know that the the fire departments could just um just watch it burn and it it went out
and came back on again, but uh all they could do is watch. And I'm sure that you have different methods of fire containment now, more advanced. The the they are different, but there is a similarity in that the the um protocol
is to not engage and to let the system do its thing. So, we're not looking for the the fire department to open and extinguish that the systems have their own suppression system built into them. They're designed and spaced in such a way and ventilated in such a way that
when these events, should they happen, they they would fail in place without uh any interaction. And that's part of these standards, the 9540. not just how we design and operate it, but it's when it's time for the um for the for an event, there's training that's required
with local authorities to make sure they're understanding how to handle these things and how what to do and what most importantly not to do. Well, aren't you also um you're trained, are you training people to know in the programs so far in advance that they can they can stop the thermal runaway before they'll
know it's coming and they can start shutting down the systems before you get to that point. Yeah. Yeah. battery technologies has these early warnings now where you can see the the the temperatures increasing and so then you can kind of stop off and there's also best practices about you know not just charging all the way up and then
starting discharging right away. So the cooling is very important to again keep you away from the temperatures where you would have where you would be closer to the to the red line so to speak. Sure. Um as far as the fire department, we have the one that's very close. Um what kind of measures would they have to take
beforehand? Would they be prepared now to handle a situation like that or a special training is needed? They would. I I'm not sure if they are trained for that now, but they will certainly as part of our project. That's one of the requirements for the NFBA 855 is required on this project. And so part of
our commissioning process is going to make sure be to make sure that the alerts are what the authorities have having jurisdiction in this region are how they want to receive them and follow the NFPA 855 and then the training so that they don't think they're doing something to help out and then
exacerbating the situation and the UL code of 9540. I mean, Europe has typically been years ahead of us in all kinds of uh clean energy and safety for workers and people in general. And that UL code that is international as I
believe the Underwriters Laboratory is a global safety standard organization. I'm not as familiar with how it's been adopted in Europe. I mean, it's the same UL that I see on electronic devices of all natures for the last decade or two.
Very. Yes. to it's a big organization that obviously takes great care in Okay. Just making sure it goes on the same page with it. That's the same one. Yeah. Question. How long would it take to construct this
the uh the construction itself is about a 3 to four month process. The equipment lead times that we're expecting are uh we believe the batteries could be uh here in at the site before the end of the year. And so that would give us the time to construct next year. So next year would be the construction site. I
got another question. You said we we get is it the right five days we get on here or do we get more than five days for the peak demand? The their the peaks could happen their peaks are set on the on the hottest hour of the five hottest days of
the year. And those could happen on five days and those all both capacity and transmission could sit right over top of one another or they could be completely separate. So you could have up to 10 days worth of events. Okay. Okay. That's what my question was. Thank you. So I just have a couple of questions. So you
had a lot of knowledge about the fires in California, right? So I just have to ask this question. That wasn't your project, right? It was not. Um just what I expected. Um the other question um that I have is did you just say that the batteries can be up and
running in three to four months? So this year once the project is signed open you get running. No sorry the construction time frame I think the question was how long does it take to construction? So I the takes three month or three to four months of con physical construction on
the project. The what drives the lead what drives the construction time frame and the time between now and u commercial operation is the delivery of the longest lead time equipment. In the past, we've seen that be switch gear, transformers, and even batteries. As we
sit here today, the longest lifetime is the batteries, and we expect that if an order was placed um today, they would be here by the end of the year. And we have line of sight to several battery um offerings before the end of the year. So, we feel good about that. Is it possible that this project could be up
and running before the next 26 where you could have something up and running so that you can measure the five? It it is possible. is exactly what we're shooting for. Um because of the the magnitude of the savings involved, um that is our
construction plan and we're going to do everything we can to hit it. Um the things we can do out of the gate here are, you know, signing the contract and then also uh the permitting process, the design process, work closely with your engineer record to to examine our
designs and make sure that they're in harmony with what they were expecting to see. Um, but if we move through that as we expect to and as we have on other projects, we feel really good about the lead time that we have to um to get the equipment on order to get it here and to um, you know, get through some maybe
unforeseen events like a rainy spring or something like that. So, so you gave this sort of presentation last year, I want to say September, the beginning of September or something, right? So, I was I thought we were going to be like this, we're going to be up and moving and that this would have been done already in 2025. So disappointed that didn't happen
because we sort of like lost a year sort of. But if you're saying like if if we took this like ordered this August 1st, there's a very good possibility that this could be up and running by this time next year. Yes, sir. Beautiful. Thank you. So I got a question on the
savings. This would this be based on five top days or 10 top days to eat 67? In other words, we'd save this amount of money you're projecting on here. So that would double that and be a million and a half dollars. A little more than a
million and a half. We could say the those rows there assume that we hit 80% of the peak hours on five days on on the 10 days. This the second row is the five of the five the transmission days and the third row is the the capacity days.
Um, so Councilman, PJM sets their rates based on their five days, their five high days. If there's 10 days, there's 12 days, there's 20 days that are high days, but the five high days we're working to miss. That That's a good
clarification that there's the reason there's two events. the the capacity is based on the entire PJM grid which goes all the way from Chicago to the Atlantic Ocean and then the transmission grid is based on the PSE andG zone which is
really localized to the New Jersey area. Right today was hot in both and I'm not sure but probably was one of the peak days in both of those. There are some times where it's not so hot in Chicago and Ohio and some of the western part of PGM and so you'll you will have the
capacity peak happen uh or transmission peak happen because it's here hot here but the whole zone is not under as much stress. So that that is the there's two different grids that we're watching and and Fred was right. It's about the peak
on that system and having you Miltown off of the grid or using less during the systems peak. So our peak may not be their peak and their bills will be made on judgment of what is most for them. What were you
doing during their peak? Okay. Yep. And the idea is not to be peaking at the same time. Exactly. like today because that that's that's you know to reiterate they set their rates based on their high peak days and we don't want to be anywhere near that
peak because then our rate is set by our five days which are nowhere near theirs and our savings is that difference between their high and our high. That's the that's the buffer we're trying to avoid. And then there's mutual benefit there. If you think about what you're trying to
do is you're getting off the grid so the grid doesn't need to continue to be invested in so that it's there for 10 hours of the year. You're helping you know respond to that demand. And it is a demand response program that we're operating in. There are a lot of these
projects in New Jersey. Two. Two. You're looking at one. South River right now. They're on they're on and phase two is up and running. They're only they're rapidly being adopted though.
Excuse me. Joe, um I I believe that Mr. Cor said that u we have to pay upfront money for a matter of months. Is that true? U recall that I believe you said oh before that it was up and running that we'd have to pay a certain amount of months
before the payments begin when we reach commercial operation. So once the battery is installed and operating and through its testing and it can perform its its function and we can make sure that we can dispatch it, the payments don't begin until then. So we're not looking for So I guess the bill is
generated prior to that and we'll be sort of making payments once it starts up and running. I think is kind of where where it got transmitted wrong. The bill is created as you're building it. But our payments don't start until we're taking revenue and your pay. Our bills,
our bill is f is already determined because they have an annual charge plus they have a percentage of our savings that they're entitled to, right? But nothing's coming out of pocket. It's all coming out of up and running money. No, some of it's coming out of We have an obligation to pay. It's going to come out of the utility to pay their annual
fee. And then there's the cost savings that we don't actually pay. It's a shared savings. But you're not giving us money to like go buy the battery right now. Contract. I don't mean that. But I'm I'm saying before everything is up up and running and we're we're actually benefiting. Are we paying for a a
particular set of months? Yeah. Okay. But if I can ask one thing. Um can we It's a 15-year plan. Can we pay at the end of that or we have to pay? Because my my concern is paying for that. Um because or I mean a financial
situation that that's with what's it 60 something no the front end is like 15 years worth that money would make sense the the the contract is set up without that so it is set up so that you'll begin payments when the project reaches commercial operation and then the
benefits will flow in and so you for 15 years of operation you will get 15 years of benefit there is a mismatch at the beginning well and I understand I'm just saying that I'd I'd like to I'd like to know that we can afford to pay the monthly fee until everything is is set
and we're actually reaping the benefits of it because I'm I'm concerned about the financial aspect for us. I I appreciate appreciate what you're doing, but I'm just looking at the the mismatch until things work start working out. But mathematically, I guess you would have
enough skin in the game that if something terrible did happen, you know, you're going to get your money eventually because the amount of revenue that it generates would be lost is is there. So, they will get paid eventually. There is nothing that it's not the same. I'm It's not the same thing that I'm saying, but it's not
going to get stopped because we missed a check. I'm sure that's that's not that's not where I'm going with this. I'm not sure. Okay. But that's why I was I was asking you and you answered my question. I'm fine with it. It it was I was sure I understood this question. That's fine.
Joe, quick uh how many times will the batteries be deployed in a season? Are they 10 times? Is it mean you're shooting? Kind of depends on the variability of the weather. Uh usually these kind of events are less than like 25 days where you're really kind of at a point where you think, hey, this could
be one. And what happens is you'll start to um you'll get to a point where you'll see a day and you'll say it's like it's already been hotter, you know, than that. So So it's not getting as hot as some of the days you see. So it gets I guess a little easier as the year goes
on. Um but it's it's less than 100 hours and usually probably more like 25 days and two hours each time. So Right. But you're not you're not trying to guess the 10 days. You're going to use it's just so they understand. Like so I mean it's not like we've got five of each and
we're going to try to line those up and that's it. You've got overlap so that if you know you if at the beginning of the season you were wrong and it gets really hot in August. You have the ability to make that up. We continue to chase until we've confirmed that we have a peak or you know we we wouldn't waste a full
tank basically sitting there going I'm not sure. We would just go ahead and make sure that the system is less stressed. Right. Okay. Thank you. Are these Tesla mega packs? Is that what they are? We have used Tesla mega packs on our last uh I believe three projects.
Uh the exact make and model of what we'll purchase will be determined immediately upon receipt of the contract. We will be looking to source a project that we can get in. Um so it may or may not be. I'm not pushing it has to be just only because I I I read that.
So, it will be a a tier one supplier with the lithium iron phosphate technology that that um adheres with the NFPA 855 and the UL9540. In the the past, the Tesla product has
been um winning the race for us, so to speak, in these competitive processes, but we are not um there are other great technology providers out there with similar warranties and safety guarantees. So I I saw the and also saw that it said this is one of the best as far as safety the
the the uh the Tesla. So thank you. You you answered all my questions. Joe I have a question. This actually may be for Mike and Lou. Do we have confir confirm placement of this project?
Yeah it's over there. No. No. But I don't see any of the plans or anything. I just and nobody's brought up where we're I mean so I just want to make sure you've worked with them and we have a confirmed placement of and there's a conceptual plan that they prepared we have prepared actual construction drawings showing the location of the
batteries and obviously subject to their detailed design which they're once your contract is signed they'll begin and that's when they'll all be fine. Perfect. In fact, the the plans actually show uh where this this this set of batteries are going and a proposal for
future availability if need be. Excellent. So, like I said, if we get and we approve it, there's already place for it. We just Yes, that's it. I don't want to have to go through any other further steps in order to start the project. One of the things you'll approve is that land agreement that'll tell us exactly where we're allowed to build. Okay. Yeah. That's one of the
items on your agenda for tonight is an ordinance on first reading. That is a lease. It's a ground lease. of a portion of the substation in order to facilitate this project. Good to know. Thank you. And you know, since we want to talk about the ground release uh and the uh I
would be remiss using Peter's term to say that uh as part of our conversation for our first reading of the ordinance, I ask the council to consider in my email a second one so that we can properly announce during the first reading. Thank you, mayor. So everybody knows when the second reading is we
don't come by later and make a mistake. Yep. Sure. Great questions. Goodness. Just one. Are you Are you going back home tonight? Yes, I am not. I am not because we have really good pizza in the area. Just All right. I was just asking. I got a spot to go. Thank you. I'll be looking for
some of that. Well, thank you, Joe. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. Anything else? Appreciate the time. Excellent. Now is the time for public comment limited to the resolutions on the agenda only. If you wish to speak, please step
up to the microphone, state your name and address for the record. Again, this is the public portion is limited to the comments only on resolutions listed on the agenda at this time. There'll be a 5m minute time limit set forth by the rules of council. If someone raised their hand, please step up to the
microphone, state your name and address for the record. Seeing none, I'll close audience comments. Ordinance introduction, first reading. This ordinance introduction of ordinance 251569. There will be no public input on this
ordinance tonight. There's an introductory summary will be published as required by law and second reading public hearing and final adoption will be considered on July 21st, 2025. Full copies of the ordinance will be posted on the burough website on the bulletin
board at the municipal building and available at no cost in the office of the municipal clerk between the hours of 8:30 a.m. 4:30 p.m. Monday through Friday. Will the clerk please read ordinance 251569
by title? Ordinance to fix and amend salaries and wages for Miltown Burough employees to include full-time apprentice linemen. You have heard the greeting of this ordinance. May I have a motion? Motion to accept. Second. I have a motion made by Councilman
Ponzanski. Second by Councilman Collins. Is there any u conversation? Any questions, comments? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the role? Council President Zambbrana. I. Councilman Collins. Hi. Councilman Mango. Hi. Councilwoman Payne. Hi.
Councilman Posnansky. Hi. Councilman Potter. Hi. Motion carries. Thank you. Um, so this is what Mr. Carr was discussing. So, we'd I'd like to um see if I could get everyone's input for a special meeting on July 7th at I think
we were trying to do um 6:00 was it Mr. Vino? 5:00. That's Monday, July 7th. Yeah. I think I think the the thought was the uh the earlier the better. So, if if the council could accommodate a 5:00 meeting, um that way the people who need
to stay here for the meeting don't need to stay longer on a day that we're having a special meeting. Okay. So, if I could just uh if we could get a an I if uh if you're available for a meeting, we need at least four for the meeting um to
do this as a second reading for the for the ordinance. I will be out of town, but I'll call in. Mr. Collins. Yeah, I'll be here. Mr. Mayor, I'm available. Be here. Love here. Okay. Uh, Mr. Vignol. Perfect. So,
it's just we can I'll work with your clerk to put together a special meeting notice. Um, when you uh take action on this, you can indicate that the second reading will be on July 7th at 5:00 p.m. here. 5:00 p.m. Okay.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Introduction ordinance first reading. This is an introduction of ordinance 251570. There will be no public input on this time of the ordinance tonight. There's
an introductory summary will be published as required by law and a second reading public hearing and final adoption will be considered on July 7th at 5:00 p.m. at the burough council chambers. Full copies of this ordinance
will be posted on the borrow website on the bulletin board at the municipal building and available at no cost in the clerk's m municipal clerk's office between the hours of 8:30 a.m. 4:30 p.m. Monday through Friday. Will the clerk please read ordinance 251570
by title? Ordinance of the burrow of Miltown County of Middle Sex, State of New Jersey, authorizing a 15-year lease to on-site partners for a portion of the property located at block two 258.01. 1 lot 10 for the Miltown Electric Battery Storage Dispatch and Maintenance
Services Project. May I have a motion in a second, please? Motion second. Uh, hang on. Just Oh, I'm glad everybody's happy about this one. One second. Just looking at the title versus
the I think and and I will take the hit on this. The actual block is block 60. The lot is 5.06. 062. Uh looks like when I put this together, I did a great job, but I didn't change the title. So the the actual project site is block 60, lot
5.062. We can identify that that will be the amendment in the title. The substance of the ordinance remains the same. A motion make a motion on the the correction. Thank you. I apologize. Thank you. So we have a
do we have to approve it first before they can it can be you can you can move it as amended. It's fine. I've I've identified what the typographic descriptor's error. It's not a substitive error. The ordinance itself is is correct. Okay. So I have a motion made by Councilman Potter, seconded by Councilman Collins. Um is there any
comments? That's by the amended comments. Correct. Okay. Kirk. Will the clerk please call the role? Council President Zambbrano. I. Council Councilman Collins. Hi.
Councilman Mango. Hi. Councilwoman Payne. I. Councilman Pnansky. Hi. Councilman P. I. Motion carries. Mayor. Thank you. Ordinance public hearing second reading. The following ordinance was introduced on July 9th, 2025 and published in
accordance with the law. If any member of the public wishes to comment on this ordinance, they may do so after the reading. Will the clerk please read ordinance 251567 by title? An ordinance amending chapter 7, traffic section 7-14, parking
prohibited at all times on certain streets to impose parking restrictions on various streets within the burrow of Miltown. May I have a motion in a second, please? Motion to accept. Second. I have a motion made by uh Councilman uh Ponzanski and second by Councilman
Potter. Is there any comments? Seeing none, I would like to open it up to audience comments. I'll close audience comments. Will the clerk please call the role? Council President Zan Brown. I. Councilman Collins. Hi. Councilman Mango. Hi.
Councilwoman Payne. Hi. Councilman Pasnanski. I. Councilman Potter. I. Motion carries. Name. Thank you. Ordinance public hearing second reading. The following ordinance was introduced on June 9th, 2025. Published accordance with the law. If any member of the public wishes to comment on this
ordinance, they may do so after reading. Will the clerk please read ordinance 251568? Ordinance to fix and amend salaries and wages for Milvilletown Burough employees to include full-time confidential secretary. May I have a motion in a
second, please? Motion. Second. Is that you there? Thank you. Um, I have a motion made by Council President Zimbran, seconded by Councilman uh Ponzanski. Is there any comments?
All right. Um, is there I'd like to open the public hearing. Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing. Uh, will the clerk please call the role? Council President Zambbrana, I. Councilman Collins, hi. Councilman Mo, hi. Councilwoman Payne, I.
Councilman Pnazki, I. Councilman Potter, I. Motion carries. Thank you. Authorizing payment of municipal obligations. Next on the agenda, we have authorizing payments of municipal obligations. Will the clerk please read resolution 20 2025-223
by title? authorizing the payment of bills, claims, and statements against the Burough of Miltown in the total amount of 2,816,437.64 cents. May I have a motion in a second, please? Motion second. I have a motion made by Council
President Zambrana, second by Councilman Pazanski. Is there any comments? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the role? Council President Zambrana, I. Councilman Collins, I. Councilman M. Hi, Councilwoman Payne. I Councilman
Posnansky. I Councilman Potter abstain. Consent the agenda. Um, a consent resolution has been prepared for resolutions listed on the agenda. All matters listed under the consent agenda are considered to be routine in nature and haven't been reviewed by Burough
Council will be enacted on in one motion. Any items may be removed from the consent agenda at the request of any council member and if so removed will be treated on as a separate matter. Any items requiring expenditures are supported by certification of funds. If
any member of the council wants any resolution acted upon individually, please give me the resolution number and it would be pulled from the consent resolution. Yes, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to pull uh 2025-237 and 2025239.
I don't want to pull. I just want to ask a question. Is that okay? Beautiful. Sure. So there is on resolution 2025231 authorizing the illegal license renewal for the Golden Line in it does indicate
that it's a pocket license. So that's just that can continue to go on. I know that's been a thing. It's an inactive license currently. It's an inactive license and can continue to be an inactive license like that to a certain extent. The state has changed things as far as liquor licenses goes. And I think
this falls into the court file. It if it is not activated I think I'm not sure on the day I think it may be 2028. If it is not activated by 2028 it will be lost. Wow. Okay. Thank you. Did they have to notify us when they're
going to activate it or Oh, yeah. Okay. I thought they were opening the the Golden Lion soon, but I guess not. I believe they're looking to transfer, but I'm not sure. Okay. Thanks. I I also um just I didn't want to pull
um a resolution, but I have a qu two two questions. Um on the credit card payment um we have to pulled it. We got we have to first um do
the consent resolution. Oh, we're pulled through. That's one of the ones that M council colle. Yeah. And then the Yeah, the other one I actually too. Okay. Okay. Clerk, please. Just Just so I'm clear, only 237 and 239
have been pulled. Correct. Correct. Okay. Whereas, pursuant to the rules of council, the council may establish a consent agenda for any regular or special meetings upon certain conditions. And whereas each of the following resolutions to be presented before the burough council at its June 23rd, 2025 regular meeting appear to
have the unanimous approval of all members of the burough council. Resolutions 2025-225 to 2025 236 and 230 resolution 225 238
and resolutions 225 240 and 241. Now therefore, be it resolved by the Burough Council of the Bureau of Miltown, that each of the above list of resolutions be approved and adopted by the Burough Council with the same legal effect as though each was read in its entirety at the June 23rd, 2025 regular
meeting and adopted by separate board. Thank you. You heard you heard the resolution. May I have a approval in a second, please? So move second. I have a motion made by Council President Zambrana, seconded by Councilman Potter. Is there any
questions on just those resolutions? Yes. Yes, Mr. No, the other ones. No. Okay. This poll. Will the clerk please call the role? Council President Zambrana. I. Councilman Collins. I. Councilman Mango. I. Councilwoman Payne. I. Councilman Posnki. I. Councilman
Potter. I. Will the clerk please read resolution 2025-237 by title. Authorizing credit card payments for taxes and municipal utilities. Uh you uh
what's the pleasure of council? Make a motion this resolution be adopted. Second. I have a motion made by Councilman Potter, seconded by Council President Zambrana. Is there any discussion? Yes, Mr. May. Uh I have a couple questions. Well, I mean, I think we should pull
this just to let the public and their residents know that you they can use their charge card now for uh tax bills and the uh and their uh utility bills. I'm not sure how this is going to work. Uh the only thing I was wondering, Mr.
Should we put like a clause in here in case the credit card fees go up on them or is that what we're going to charge them if they pay by the credit card? Sir, we're not charging. What's that? We're not the burrow of Miltown is not charging this fee. This is paid for by
the third-party provider to the billing software hired by the burrow. So when you go online to pay your bill online now, you'll you can already do it by echek okay or a uh debit right now as we speak. This
adds the credit card payment. So, if you were going to pay your your bill online, okay, using your credit card, a window pops up and says you'll be charged 2.5% of the total transaction by the third party provider for the use of your
credit card uh in this transaction. Then you as the individual say yes or no. So, the burrow sees there's no money for the burrow comes. It's up it's your individual choice. Now, if you're a cheap guy like me, I write a check. I bring the check in. Okay. Or I put a
stamp on it. But 5%. Yep. You know, if you look at, you know, for an editorial comment, a lot of people complain that the borrow charges 18% interest on delinquent accounts. That's correct. Do you know what your credit card charges? We're looking like
we're practically giving the money away. Some of these credit cards charge you 36% interest. That's practically usery. By the I got you here for the credit cards. What happens if they don't pay the credit card? That's between them and the credit card. We get our money. We get our money. That's between them and
the credit card. Just like if you go to Home Depot and you buy a cooler and you don't pay the that you still have the cooler uh that's between you and Home Depot or you and your credit card that you didn't pay the credit card debt. Home Depot's got the money. You've got the cooler between you and the bank.
They're not going to use zel or anything. get I forget what's the other payment process that's between them and you could however you do it all we're saying is these are the two systems you can use yes if you want to use an AC debit it's it's a buck 95 okay so the public will be aware of that I don't
know if if anybody knows about this or not well we haven't we haven't authorized it yet oh okay can't tell them about it we haven't authorized Hey Fred that's for you sorry can I ask a question um is there is there going to be an autopay um option or not you're just going to have to enter information.
It's not going to store any data. It's just going to No, you just put it in and just there every time you go in there, you you've got it in every single time. Okay. No, we shouldn't be doing that. Okay. So, one resident asked me, I'm not going to mention his name. And he asked me if he could get points on his credit card if he paid the utility bill this
way. That's between you and your credit card. Credit card. So, then you get to do the mathematical analysis. Okay. You're going to put a $10,000 tax bill on there and pay uh 2.5% of 10,000. Do the math in your head. And you're gonna How many points are you gonna have to get to make up for that 2.5%. Some
people you're gonna be given like 9,000 points. You'll be behind the Kyle power curve. Yes. Or you're not making enough money by doing that. Exactly. But that's up to you. Maybe it's a convenience. It's a convenience. You don't want to come to Burough Hall. It's okay. We
don't take it personally. We just want your money. Pay on time. Now, I have several reasons to ask me about that. So, this system Thanks, Fred. No, it's and and and it's not credit card specific. Not only, you know, it's up to it's up to the third party vendor whether you're
using your Visa card, your Mastercard, American Express, for all you dinosaurs out there with a diner club, you know, and any questions about Oh, yes. U my question similar to John's was just about notification. uh how are we going to let residents
know and then also on the extension for the grace period for the third quarter taxes I just don't remember do we I know that's happened before do we send that tax a notice with the that tax bill so that people know that they have there that'll be that'll be included in the
tax bill notice okay but I think the important part for people to understand is that though you get a grace period if you failed to pay on time within that grace period the interest charges go back to the day that you should have paid it in the first place. It's sort of like your master card, like your credit
card. You know, you you can pay it, you know, if you're going to be late, then they're going to charge you from the day before, right? And so with the credit card payment, how will residents know that that's an option like it'll just it'll be just it'll be added it'll be added to the portal. Credit it'll be
added to the portal. Yes. Okay. Thanks. So people who pay online now will just have another option. Okay. I don't foresee people who come to Burough Hall and pay now personally or uh write a check or all of a sudden going to wake up one
morning and go I could put this on my master card. There'll be very few of those. Well, with the two.5% on a tax bill, I'll be I'll be dropping my check off in person as I me too. And so and there's it's only
online. It's what's important to understand this is only online to pay. If you show up at the window and with your with your credit card, it's going to be like the bagel place. Sorry, no credit card then. Cash only because we that's that's that's extremely
burdensome. And if the council if we were considering that to have a payment window up at the at the tax collection for the convenience of the residents, I would no. No. No. Just not just no, but no. No. The fees are insane because those fees would have to be paid by us.
Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, that was my other question. If we if someone brings their credit card here, we are not doing it. Don't take it. Okay. Thank you. Credit card, right? As long as the town gets the money, that's cash is cash is
king. Thanks, Fred. Thank you. Okay. Will the clerk please call the role? Question, Mr. Ready? Oh, you had a question. I have a procedural question. I don't see council
comments here. Am I wrong? Yes, sir. We've put them together. What do you mean? We're going to have the reports and comments all in one time. You got a one shot. Okay. Make your point. Forever. Hold your peace. I'd like to get married.
I like that. That's ready for roll call, man. Council President San Brown. Hi. Councilman Collins. Hi. Councilman Mo. Hi. Councilwoman Payne, I. Councilman Proski, I. Councilman Potter, I.
Will the clerk please read resolution number 2025 239 by title? Authorizing the extension of the grace period of the third quarter taxes due on August 1st, 2025. You've heard the reading of this resolution. May I have a a motion in a
second, please? Motion to accept the resolution. Second. A motion made by Councilman Collins, second by Councilman Potter. Is there any discussion? Yes, Mr. Mayor. I just want to reiterate what you already answered question. It's the 25th of August, right, Fred? Yes, sir. You have to pay by the 25th. If you don't, you
pay interest all the way back to the 10th or the 1st. Correct. The first. Yep. And it's usually the 12th. They give you a Mhm. Okay. You you had a question on this one, Patty? You said no, I'm good. All right. Seeing none, will the clerk,
please call the role. Council President Zabbr, I. Councilman Collins, I. Councilman Mango, I. Councilwoman Payne, I. Councilman Panski, hi. Councilman Potter, I. So, this is where it's a little different. Uh, so it's reports and
comments from elected officials. It's been combined, right? So, Council President Zima. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The uh the only uh report that I have uh is for finance at at some point. Uh Mr. Carr uh will get
together with our CFO in finance at some point in July depending on vacations and days off and stuff like that to have like a a small finance meeting just to see how we doing midyear. Uh what's it look like and um you know what's what's
going to happen like the rest of the year. Um but you know nothing to talk about right I just wanted to mention it and that uh concludes my reports. Thank you, Councilman Collins. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have just a couple things from the library. I went to the library meeting on I believe it was the 10th and uh the library is going to have a Jeep
in the parade and uh some of the things that were here already, but there is notary services available for free for for Miltown residents from 10:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. So, at no charge to the residents of Miltown. So, if anybody needs ever needs a notary and they can get it done, you can go down to the
library. That would that I guess I'm assuming that' be Monday to Friday. Um, now let me read the library schedule. Uh, the summer reading program is underway. Stop by the library to sign up and get details. Drop off. Drop in play
Tuesday, June 24th and July 8th, 108:30 a.m. Book Club Tuesday, June 24th at 6 p.m. Crochet for beginners. Is that crochet crochet for beginners,
Saturday, June 28th and July 12th at 11:00 a.m. Adult yoga Monday, June 30th and July 14th at 9:15 a.m. Registration required. 2:30 p.m. Movie matinea. Wednesday, July 2nd, The Graduate. July 9th, Roman
Holiday. July 16th, American Graffiti Board Meeting. Tuesday, July 8th at 6:30 p.m. Open to the public. Sketch Club, Wednesday, July 19th, I'm sorry, July 9th and July 16th at 1 p.m.
Registration required. Midsummer Bingo, Monday, July 14th at 6:30 p.m. Once Upon an Easel for Kids, Tuesday, July 15th at 1 p.m. Registration required. Once Upon a Easel for TE twins, Thursday, July
17th at 1 p.m. Registration required. Science Heroes, Saturday, July 19th at 11:00 a.m. Registration required. Reed do a pooch. Saturday, July 19th at 12:30 p.m. Adult coloring club Monday, July
21st at 6:30 p.m. Registration required. And the library will be closed on July 4th, of course. And I don't know if I don't want to be stealing um Councilman uh Pausnansky. I mean, did you get this flyer, Gary? Um what's that, John? This
for the the new recycling bins. Did Did I got this down here one of the days? It's about the new recycling bins. How you have to keep the new recycling bins on August 1st to the curb. Uh I I believe it starts um August 11th.
Yeah, this is beginning of August 1st. I don't know. I just want to make sure everybody knows you got to put it to the curb. So, it's very important. That concludes my report, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Councilman Mo. So actually I just want to check uh with
Fred but is that Fred car is there the red letters going out yet or they've been drafted or the regarding so we so the letters are going out. There's a stack of them in the mail room and they're 652 of them. They have not hit
the mailboxes yet. Um so if anybody gets a red letter out there in TV lands and you've already made your appointment, you're good to go. All right. When in doubt, call the the scheduler. That's pretty simple. The uh to reiterate, letter is going to go out, council, and
it says uh you know, we've been trying to contact you. I have seen some correspondence where people have indicated that, you know, they're very busy and they're both working and they they don't have time to do that. And we all understand that. Uh and we all we ask is that you call and do the best you
can to make an appointment. uh you can't make an appointment to talk about your schedule or to find out if you're available and or not if you don't call the number and talk to the scheduling technician. He doesn't he doesn't know what your schedule is. Um and even if you have a meter installed and was
installed last year by Don or Ian or somebody for some other reason, we still have to check to see whether or not you have a lead pipe or a galvanized steel in your in your service line as part of the D requirements for our our program.
Okay. And then the fourth the third part of that conversation is u it's a you look at your water line you go hm this is PVC I can tell that because I'm a genius and this is a brand new meter because they put it in last year but if you don't have a sensor on it we still
need to make sure that there's a sensor on it so that everybody gets a brand new meter a sensor and that we've established whether or not you have a lead and or galvanized water line or not. And then the conversation will be sometime later on for the council how we're going to replace these identified
lead and or galvanized water lines and then how we're going to pay for them. But that's that's you know it's one thing at a time. Right now the letters are going out. You get your letter, call that number, make your appointment and you're good to go. Fred, I have a quick question. Yes, sir. If they do identify
lead, are they letting the residents know that they have a lead line? Absolutely. So there there is a there's a there's a subsequent lead line letter coming out of construction um signed by the our water guy that this year we send them out. We know exactly who got the
letter. My answer to um construction Beth who did the last group is that we have a we establish a file and we send uh send you a letter that says dear resident you have a lead/go galvanized and in accordance with the D requirement this has to be
replaced and it's your responsibility to do so. Okay, we recommend you call somebody and get replaced because it's then we talk about all the health issues associated with lead pipes. There's a whole D letter in a sheet. It's like a three-page letter
that goes out. Then we keep that in the file. You'll probably get a subsequent letter some later on in time the line that reminds you as we move forward into the process. But eventually the letters will stop. That'll stay in the block and lot file for that property. Now it comes
time 10 years from now to sell the house. The new resident wants to know why you didn't do that. Okay. um it's coming out of the block. If they do their due diligence and they'll say, "Well, you know, why didn't you replace it?" Well, they didn't want to spend the money. Well, if the new person who's
buying the house knows you have a lead lined a lead water service line in your house, he's not going to buy the house. He said, "Like a small kid. I'm not buying this pot that he's going to walk away or be part of that closing." Peter
being a big closing guy where he says, "Hey, no problem. I'll buy the house, but I'm taking 50 grand off the selling price to replace the lead line or whatever the number is." So, one way or the other, the line will be replaced. So, Fred, just so we're clear, this the
the smart meter replacement is not an optional thing. No, sir. It is mandatory. It is absolutely mandatory at no cost to the to the residents. I mean, this is free. The guy's going to come in, he's going to fix it, and it'll work in for fine. It'll reset it'll
reset your meter uh at the in in the utility collections. You'll have like a wonky bill and then the rest of them will be cleaned up. You'll have one of these really strange bills, but it all comes out at the end. Yes, sir. I know I know this is mandatory but but I know
that um the electric meters are are probably coming at some point and there are towns in New Jersey that it's an opt-in or an opt out and I'd like to think that can be part of the equation for electric meters for the electric meters. So that's a conversation we
haven't had yet. Right. Okay. So in the opt in in the op in the opt out discussion from JCPNL having done that myself they charge you an extra like 25 bucks a month. So I understand uh and I would recommend that we don't allow the
opt out. That's just my opinion. Okay. I'm not voting but why why why go through the effort of going out there and and doing it when it comes out automatically. The smart meters from the electric side having done them in South River do not collect any data other than
you use electricity. Well, you know the S in smart meters. Do you know what that stands for? Smart surveillance. Um I you know to those people not to be flippant. Um if you I disagree. Okay. No, that's that is
all they do is that is in the acronym. Yes. They they they they know if the electricity is on and they know the electricity is off. Just like I know the water's on or the water's off. If I'm looking at the smart meters we're installing now, but we don't turn the water on and off. We don't know. Uh we
don't do any of that with the the smart meters in South River or the smart meters we're going to we can't turn we're not going to turn the water on when you're not there. Um uh all we're doing is saying, "Yeah, you're using electricity and this is how much." That's all it gathers. It doesn't tell
us what you're doing with the electricity that you're running all the electrical appliances at three in the afternoon. It just says you're blowing what does what does the surveillance I mean it's not my acronym. It's their acronym. But but what does the S stand for in surveillance? What does
surveillance stand for? It's it's watching your electrical usage. It's watch it's you know it's not watching your house, Councilman. Okay. I mean, um, frankly that I don't think anybody in the utility department really cares, um, what you're doing with the water on
your smart meter. They just say, "Hey, you're using your water." You can hack in, too, though. Everything's possible in the eyes of the Lord. They taught me 30 years ago when I was an instructor. But yeah, you could hack in, but you know, they're not going to, you know, everybody has smart ideas,
smart refrigerators. I mean, I have a brand new refrigerator. I didn't buy a smart one. I don't want my refrigerator talking to me. Okay? I have enough females in my house telling me what to do. I don't need the refrigerator telling me what to do. Typically, if I'm in charge of the utilities committee, when that time comes, I will present it
as uh no because the reason we're doing anything with remote and not having to send a guy is to not have to send a guy. So, but in the future years when that comes up, who knows what'll be. But um
beyond that uh moving on to the next section of utilities, I will mention that uh um coming up within the next few months, we're going to kind of audit some of the processes internally that water and sewer have and you know hopefully make some changes that might
uh just be better for the town. But we got to wait for finance and those kind of things to come through and see how the next few months go. Uh but as always uh you know our water and sewer people and our electrical people are always working hard to keep this town running
and they do their best. Okay, Councilwoman Main, your report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a short report. Uh we had a public safety meeting last week. Uh Councilman Pnansky and Councilman Potter and I uh met with the chief of police and we discussed
many issues. Some of them have been brought up recently at meetings. Um we talked about um crossing guards and departmental restructuring, parking issues, traffic flow. Um and I think we'll be seeing some of these items on future agendas. Um, so it was a really
good, productive discussion and I also had a catch-up conversation with Chief FMA um from the MFD and I'm glad we had the discussion tonight on the battery pack, the battery project. Um, because he had asked me about training. So, it
was good to hear that there will be specific training for the fire department. Um, and that concludes my report and I have no other comments. Thank you, Councilman Posanski. Sure. Uh I'm going to start with the senior center. During the month of June, we had two wonderful presentations. The first
one was on June 9th presented by the Miltown Public Works director Ralph Jeznowski on the new Miltown recycling program and the other was the AARP on fraud watch network. Both presentations were very helpful and very informative. During the month of July, we have
following activities planned. Wednesday, July 2nd, we have a trip to Portuguese Fisherman at 11:30. Tuesday, July 8th, 11:15, bus trip to the Cracker Barrel. Tuesday, July 15th, 10:45, bus trip to the Shrimp Box in Point Pleasant.
Wednesday, July 23rd, 11:00 a.m. bus trip to Shiro in Monroe. Thursday, July 24th, 9:30 a.m. bus trip to the Amish Market. Monday, July 28th, 9:30, bus trip to Ali's and Trader Joe's in Lawrenville.
The VNA nurse will be available for appointments on Tuesday, July 15th from 12:00 p.m. to 3 p.m. The service is available for Miltown seniors free of charge each month. Please sign up on the bullet board if you're interested. Now for the DPW report. DPW has done their
part in setting up the pool to begin yet another summer enjoyment. A big thanks to Ralph Jazznowski and the dedicated DPW staff. The bike path, walking path construction, which began on June 9th, has really taken form. Many residents are enjoying it and it has been wellreceived. Please make use of this
park area. It is yours to be inspired by and I would also like to thank past council members for shephering this valuable resource along. I would also like to thank CME for their uh their help and guidance and uh the recycling issue with the new containers, the use of the automatic side delivery hands off
is being addressed. And I actually thought it was going to be addressed tonight because Ralph had told me Friday that that someone from the county would be here to to take questions and so um I'm surprised that he's not. I I didn't hear otherwise. Um anyway, um on the streets such as KFO, a separate small
truck and manual labor is in the discussion. What seems like a possible problem now will be worked out. There will be short-term growing pains and um I'm also I'm also planning if it's if it's needed and it may be because the the gentleman um from the county did not
come tonight a meeting at the uh senior center. I'm trying to to work a time and uh um hopefully the there'll be um question and answer time with Ralph Jazinowski and I'm trying to talk to someone from the county also if they could be there. Um, that ends my um
reports and I do have comments. If if uh if it's okay, I'd like to to to go over these and uh to to reference Ralph Craden. I'm I'm going to seem like a blabbermouth um because I'm doing all this talking right now. Um I'm going to start off um television communications
and I'd like to ask uh Councilman Collins some questions. Um and if you can answer at the end, I'd appreciate it. I know you're in charge of television the television communications committee. We had some technical glitches for a while and they seem to be worked out for now. As you know, I visited different towns for input on
their technical systems. Do you believe that we could upgrade and better serve the community? I'd like to thank Mr. Einbinder for his decades of service to the community and manning the cameras capacity. There may be easier and technically more superior ways to continue our mission of providing
residents with viewership of important meetings. And also Councilman Collins, is it possible and isn't it time to have the board of education meetings televised? This would be for transparency to the taxpayers, especially for the busy parents who are unable to attend the meetings.
This would also help our council leazison to be more involved, informed, and be able to do her job more effectively. And also, this is for council um possible discussion at some point. If this is not able to be worked out, could we negotiate with the board of education to have their meetings on
an alternate evening? This could enable our leazison to physically attend their meetings and hours. Uh I also have John, would you I mean, Councilman, would you like to uh Yeah, I think the new camera system works well. I've talked to other officials at other towns and they have the panoramic view
so they can see who's talking when cuz I know a couple of the seniors were saying they're getting like feel like whiplash cuz their heads were trying to figure you know follow the camera and they were getting dizzy following the the camera. So it it should work. I believe the board of ed meets used to be c uh you
know televised but since they moved it to Monday and we only have one guy behind the camera he can't be in two places at once. So um I think our board of ed leaison's here. I don't know. He might be able to, you know, ask that question when he goes back to the board of ed if they would televise it.
So, uh, yeah, but I really think and I think I believe we have money in the uh, uh, television program, right, Fred? We have $5,000 or something in there. I'd have to look, sir. I don't have that whether or not we have money. We have
money in there, but to do the upgrades that we want to do, I don't know if we've met that bar. I mean, uh, and Councilman Pasnansky, um, to your point, I appreciate, um, your thoughts about, you know, having me, I'm
the council leaison to the board of ed, uh, being able to be present. Um, I I think that um I think that there needs to be better communication about agenda meetings and
agenda items um with regard to the board of ed and notification to the public. Um but the choice of having those meetings televised is left to the board of ed. you know, when I was a member um of the board of ed, I remember it came up and
uh I was like, "Well, yeah, heck yeah." Like, you know, and then everybody voted no. So, um you know, I I think that it's worth a discussion. Well, Council, I I appreciate you saying that because I know that that you're the leazison and when they're having a meeting, you're
we're having a meeting here, right? You don't you don't necessarily catch the nuances that you would if you were watching or or if you were able to attend the meetings. Right. Right. No, and I I agree and I think that um so I think overall that communication would be very helpful and that maybe with the
new superintendent I can have that discussion with the with the council leaison for the board, you know, and have them consider a meeting on a different night, but they can only they we can make a suggestion, but it's really up to them to make those changes. Sure. If I may, I'm not sure I fit in
this, but as a parent, and I do interact with the school on a general basis, we get a million emails, every parent about everything. Um, but I think Park View, or sorry, JK has some 400 students.
Mathematically, that gives us a number of like 800 parents all getting a million emails uh in a town of 8,000. Nobody else knows the school affects your property values. It is a big part of everybody's budget.
As as a senior, you're paying the same rate I am. And you don't know what goes on in our school. And maybe just like a lot of the parents, myself included, you're not going to look at every email. But I think something should be done to encourage the school to update people
about and and you know legitimately they sunk a couple million dollars into the roof over the last few years. They did a tuck pointing project. Um and I'm the only person who knows about that cuz or a couple of us because we happen to be at a couple of those meetings. But to
the rest of the town, I do think that there is a um the report of edges is not forthcoming with information, whether it's just that they never thought it was a problem or they don't think it's a necessary function or obligation.
Um but I think that should be revisited and um there's a lot of conversation that I think should happen um more publicly with the board of ed between the parents, the council and the public in
general because everybody's home values are predicated on a bunch of things involving a town, but the school's ratings and the school's performance is a big part of it and that affects everybody. So, you're all vested
partners in the school's performance. Councilman Piski, are you done with your comments? No, I I I still have a little bit more. Um, it's about the old DPW. I'm going to bring up the rehabil the rehabilitation of the old DPW site. Again, I don't think some people understood my points at the last
meeting. I do not see this as a fully functioning park as of yet. What I see is a vision, a starting point with the old and stop, I'm sorry, starting point out with the old. Stop treating this site as a junkyard. Every taxpayer resident can easily see that this
burough owned land is uncared about. In plain sight, if we can't clean up and beautify this this very visible area, will our taxpayers and citizens have faith that we'll do anything meaningful with all of their hard-earned tax dollars? I brought up the idea of a community center several times, just not
there, not on that site. Councilman Mango had an idea last week of a community center at the site and it's it's not a viable option. It it's a wetlands area and it floods and no construction can take place there. My my idea for progress is to start from
scratch. And that's my point. It's not necessarily to to develop something now, but at least to clean the area, to clear the area and and and have it ready because everything in government goes very slowly, just so we have a starting point at some point. Ju just like at at
Albert Avenue Park, the the the bike and and walking trail that's there, the path that's there now. It's a it's it's great for the community and and people see where their tax dollars are are being used for for beautifification and and it helps. And I have um one last thing.
It's um this is uh an homage to the police and the military. Uh first I'd like to thank all national, state, and local law enforcement, particularly our dedicated Miltown Police Department. These well-trained professionals protect and serve all citizens leaving their
families every day to protect yours. Please recognize and honor them for their selfless duty keeping our country safe. I would also like to honor our brave men and women serving in all the branches of the United States military, both here and abroad. Their training, love of fellow Americans, and their
selflessness is unequal. Though I did not have the honor to wear the uniform, I am eternally grateful, and I will do my part by praising and saluting the finest military in the world. And may God continue to bless our great country with the message of liberty and freedom for all. I will also honor the United
States Army celebrating its 250th year of serving and protecting our citizens. On June 14th, 1775, the Continental Congress established the Continental Army, appointing George Washington as its commander-in-chief. This was a crucial step in the American Revolutionary War as Washington took
charge of the force composed of militias and volunteers. He then led the Continental Army throughout the war, ultimately securing victory against the British. Washington's leadership was instrumental in achieving American independence, and he later served as the first president of the United States.
His legacy of greatness shines as bright as the United States military, honoring last week, the Army's 250th year of celebrations. God bless America and God bless each of us. Thank you. That that concludes my state. If I may, mayor. So,
we did invite the county to talk about the trash cans. They were on the agenda till Friday. Uh they had not responded back to Ralph at all about our invite to provide a conversation. So we took them off the agenda Friday afternoon. They
did reply this morning uh telling us that they could provide us 30 minutes by but it's by Zoom only and we don't have the we don't do Zoom meetings so it's really a non-invite sir. Okay. Okay. Councilman Py your report please. Thank
you Mr. Mayor. uh from the Miltown Recreation Department. Uh our spring musical theater group gave their end of season performance Annie on June 10th and what an amazing show it was. We look forward to seeing their incredible talent in the fall. Albert Avenue Camp
kicks off Monday, June 30th. We've reached our maximum capacity with 176 campers registered for the season. We're looking forward to a fantastic summer filled with exciting trips, ice cream days, and carnival fun. The Miltown Burough Pool officially opened on
Saturday, June 14th. While the weather wasn't quite what we hoped for an opening weekend, we're looking forward to plenty of hot, sunny days ahead, like today. And with this week's heatwave, now it's the perfect time to jump on the community pass, grab your seasonal
membership, cool off, and make the most of the summer at the pool. And we've also received news uh that due to the extreme heat, the pool will be open for an extra hour. actually an extra 35 minutes. So, I don't know if we're going to make it, but it will be open. Uh,
we're excited to have an amazing vendor at the pool this season offering a variety of dishes, delicious food. Be sure to stop by and say hello to Lisa and her wonderful staff. Don't forget to register for the awesome trips planned for your summer your camper at Albert Avenue Camp. Trip registration is still
open and the deadline is June 26th. The adult co-ed softball league will be holding its championship game on Thursday, June 26 at Michelin Field with first pitch at 7:45. And there's still time to register for splash squad at the
Burough Pool. Sign up now on Community Pass. Summer adult yoga and beach volleyball registration is now open. Be sure to sign up on Community Pass. Don't miss your chance to book a a pool party at the Miltown Burrow Pool. Please reach
out to the recreation department to check available dates. Registration is now open for our first swim lessons at the Burough Pool running from July 14th to July 25th, Monday through Friday only. Register on community pass.
Register now for youth tennis, musical theater, mini camps, and a multiple a multisports camp. Check community pass for dates, locations, and full details. The basketball clinics with our very own Sandy Molnowski were a huge hit. Clinics
were offered for various age groups with different dates and times before school let out and we're hoping to hold additional clinics in early August. Please keep an eye out for updates. All future registrations will be available on Community Pass.
Planning a family picnic, graduation, or birthday celebration? Enjoy the outdoors at Albert Avenue Park. Contact the recreation department to reserve your date. Once confirmed, complete the fillable application and email it to k
McGrath at miltown.com. And please be sure to visit our recreation web page to familiarize yourself with upcoming programs and help us continue to make Miltown recreation a community emotion. From the planning board, our next meeting is scheduled for
July 9th. and from the Miltown Fourth of July organization. With 11 days to go until the big day, the Miltown Fourth of July organization extends its heartfelt thanks to everyone for their continued support. A special thank you to the
dedicated volunteers to help create and deliver almost 3,000 of these flyers to our residents over the past couple weeks. Your efforts are truly appreciated. Don't miss out on our exciting Super 50/50 raffle with the winning tickets to
be drawn live on the main stage at night on July 4th. Winners need not be present and limited tickets are still available but are selling quickly. Commemorative merchandise is now available. Pick up your official Miltown Fourth of July shirts and mugs at the following local
businesses: Miltown Convenience, Rescued by Lacy, Bagel Express, and Mike's Country Market. Uh, join us at Maria's this Tuesday and Wednesday for our final dine to donate event before this year's Fourth of July celebration. A portion of
every sale will go directly towards supporting the event. So, come and enjoy a great meal while helping make this year's celebration a success. Interested in volunteering or participating in the parade? We'd love to have you involved.
Please email us at miltownforgmail.com by Friday, June 27th to sign up. Please be sure to sign up for our patriotic house andor patriotic bike contest. For more details, please visit our website or follow us on Facebook and
Instagram for the latest updates and announcements. We can't wait to celebrate the 100th anniversary of this beloved Miltown tradition with all of you on July 4th. Join us for a day filled with community pride, patriotic
spirit, and unforgettable memories. And uh Mr. Mr. Mayor, I'd also like to for my comments, I'd also like to thank CME piggybacking on Councilman Posnansky's um the bike path is a huge success and greatly appreciate it all getting done before Albert Avenue uh park camp
started on at the end of the month. So, thank you very much. Thank you. And Mr. Mayor, that's all my reports and comments. Thank you. Uh Burough Attorney Peter Vignol. No comment, Mr. Mayor. See me Mike McClen or Luke? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, two
items to report tonight. First, an update on the water meter project. As of this morning, 1,773 meters have been replaced, which equates to about 65% of the total. 22 others are
complete and are being validated. 52 are incomplete, 194 are currently scheduled, and 551 replacements are not yet scheduled. Um secondly, um as you heard tonight, the
Albert Albert Avenue Park path has been constructed. Um just want to report that the contractor is finishing up storm sore improvements and restoration work and we will be meeting with Mr. Jazzinowski to talk about where we can put some replacement trees for the ones
that have been removed. And that concludes the report. Mr. Mr. Mcl um Mr. Carr, I said enough. Thank you, sir. Miss McCarthy, nothing from me, sir. Okay. Um, is there any old business to
bring before council? Yeah. Yes, Mr. Mayor. Uh, I was thinking about what Councilman Pausnanski said and then what Councilman Menco was commenting on and it really u not televising the board of ed, you know, meetings really puts the single parent family at a disadvantage
because they can't, you know, bring the kid down with them or miss, you know, the hallmark. So it really puts him at a disadvantage for the system. So it is a good idea that we televise the board of ed. So I just thought I'd throw that out there. That's all in old business, Mr. Mayor. Have a couple things under due
business, especially we're responsible for the bud for the budget of the board of ed and and and I know it would be helpful. No, we're not responsible for the budget at all. We're respons we're responsible for allowing the money to go to them. No, you don't you don't allow the money. You collect the money and give them the money that they are
entitled to get. It's tax. It's Miltown taxpayer money. It is Miltown taxpayer money and it's money that they are entitled to have as the board of education. So just the the collector the tax collector collects the money and then distributes to the board of education as required by law. The the
burough council has no say over whether or not the board of ed were to get its money. Just so we all are on the same page. I stand corrected. I I understand that. But the thing is it's it's Miltown taxpayer money. The people deserve to know how their money is spent. then they should take that up with the board of education. Correct. Right. And that and
Gary, to your point that at the budget meeting for the board of ed, that wasn't necessarily publicized or, you know, extremely transparent in any manner. Dave and I uh attended that meeting. That's where parents have to come out
and the public has to come out to ask questions about the budget because they determine the budget and how much money Um, we collect and give to them. They do that. We have nothing to do with that. I understand. I I went to the budget
meeting last year and what I was disappointed was is there were very few parents there. I mean, very very very few Well, very few people knew about it. Yeah. And and and that's and that's a real shame. Yes. Right. And so, you know, when Dave and I, when Councilman
Potter and I were there, um, you know, we both spoke up um, you know, on behalf of, um, you know, the town, the township and the public and, uh, you know, it's, um,
uh, you know, I have to say that I I didn't get a warm fuzzy feeling from from the meeting. Um, and uh, I think that that a lot of things have to change. Um, and I I agree with you that
and Frank u, Councilman Mo that things have to change and I'm hoping with new leadership that will happen. And realistically, they they public they public notice their meetings much like we do to these packed houses that we consistently see. And whenever we um
vote on something that we talk about, we tend to think that it's important and people listen um and then they are completely caught off guard when later on they see it and they go, "When did that happen?" Well, that happened when uh um an old movie, not that old, but
while you were sleeping. And you know, there's very few people that go to those board of ed meetings. Um the budget meetings are posted, everything's posted. And I went to them consistently for a while uh when I was you know when I was on the board of ed you know the leazison um and you don't see the
parents and um we you know they can change their process can we change humanity people that is a different question and um you know um getting somebody angry that
always seems to help. Well, and you know, and to your point, uh, Councilman Minko, te televising the meetings would be a major improvement because then people could either watch it live or watch the rerun, um, like they do with our council meetings and
that's how people know things, but the board of ed chooses not to do that disappointingly. I hope I hope that changes in the future. Well, Councilman, I hope so, also because your experience on on being on the board of ed and being here now and especially if if if you
could have an inside look to either um watch the meetings or go to the meetings, I I I think that would be a you'd be a great asset. Thank you. Thank you. So, I appreciate your position. Yeah. You know, so either televising them or changing the date um having that conversation when um you know, when both
bodies can. I think that would be a great next step. Yep. Thank you. Does any member of council have any new business to bring before? Yes, Mr. Mayor. I have a couple things. Uh I I've also received a lot of positive response
for the bike path. Mike, congratulations and for doing a good job. C did a nice job on that. I'm really impressed by how many people are using it, especially in kids. Uh I also spoke to Gov deals and they said they can go down to the uh public works building Friday if we we
like them to go. They said they don't care about the condition. They said it's a government and they're they've you know encountered every possible thing you know in how would you say um situation with government property so that they'll take
it as is. He said the the faster we get it on the market the more valuable it is. So uh do I need council approval for that or can councilman Pazinski do that alone? What are you talking what are you talking deals the equipment in the building? I
can answer that before Peter strokes out. Thank you. Council needs to pass Council needs to pass a resolution enumerating the specific items of equipment that the police I believe are working on. Okay. To then put it on gov deals or bidet or
whatever. We've done that last year. Okay. Right. But we just can't gov deals just can't show up with a trailer, hook it up and drive away. No, I was talking about I was talking about the contents of the building for it. Whatever. No piece of municipal property can be sold without consent of the governing body.
Okay, that's what I wanted you to know. How am I doing? Can he take a look at it, Fred? Oh, absolutely. You can look at it. Lots of people last year. I will say last year there were any of the number of people who came down and looked at the building. Uh to reiterate, be it the
Schwrenaman cabin or the park next door, the mayor alluded to, Progress Park. Somebody needs to come up with goals and objectives. I need you to take down the building. I need you to cap the sewer lines. I need you to make it all smooth
so that biders can go out and bid on the a project or carry it all away or remediate the site or choose a topic of your choice. But we cannot go out for bid and get
realistic work done uh with nebulousness. No, I mean it's not work. It's the contents in that building. There's lock whatever it is, sir. But he can come down and look at it then. Absolutely. But whatever it is, we need to list it or decide what we want to do. Um that's I've been trying to to to to
bring notice to the old DPW which is which is the last meeting and this meeting because I know it's it's not me who decides but it's the six people here but I'm trying to to to build interest if it's possible to do something there sir. Yes. And for 18 months that I've
been sitting here saying until you come up with a plan we can't execute it. We have to come up with an idea. I would say something like form a subcommittee but all that's going to be is a kiss of death. They died. Yeah, but you can't put your, you know, your foot in your shoe until
you take out the, you know, the contents, Fred. So, we got to get the contents out of there. Totally not disagreeing. And I'd just like to say and happy 4th of July to everybody and I hope we all have good weather for the parade and everybody stays safe. And that's all I
have. Thank you. If I may, just four seconds of uh CMA always does a great job. I think we do appreciate the park. Uh and a lot of people have mentioned that. And I just want to say uh Peter, you do good work, too, man. We like you and and all your stuff has been good and timely and no
one said that. So, just wanted to make sure you're you don't feel left out. Thank you. Thank goodness. That's why nobody says what a day. So, Mr. Mr. Vinola, I have a quick question because I know we we had the conversation um about a resolution for
just sending a letter to the county. Is that something we could do verbally just so we could send a letter because I think there's a deadline for that for the uh Riders Lane safe zero. forget what it's the county has a program that they're trying to approach
I think the federal government regarding and they're looking for a letter of support from the bureau regarding their program. Um, we do have a special meeting on the 7th and um, we could certainly put it on for that special meeting if you would like to have a resolution and that way the council
could have a better understanding of the ask that they have as opposed to what we're you and I are going to remember from the letter and try to explain to them right now uh, after an hour and 40 minutes of council meeting. So, if you'd like, I can put that together and we can have it ready for the 7th. Okay. Yeah, it's about the zero vision for the
county. It's it's it's just it's a county safety program regarding I think it's Rogers Lane and um so I I'll spell all that out and I can give you a proposed resolution and you guys can do whatever you want with it. Okay. Thank you, sir. Of course.
Uh all right. Open to the public. Public comment portion of the meeting is allowed the public to bring to the council's attention or concerns or comments. The council will respect the public's time by refraining from any comments until the speaker is finished. It should be
further noted that the public comment portion of our meeting is not structured as a question and answer session. Please state your name and address for the record when you come to the podium. Just a reminder, under the rules of council, individuals wishing to speak during the public input part of the meeting shall
be limited to 5 minutes and may after other speakers have finished be allowed to speak for a second fiveminut period. Someone raises their hand to the microphone. Uh, please come up to the microphone. State your name and address for the record.
Hello. Um, Debbie Miller, 92 Ford Avenue. Um, I am the notary at the library for the community and I just want to let everybody know that it is a free service to the Miltown residents and if you live outside of Miltown, it's
$2.50 for up to three signatures. Though, it is important because not everybody knows this that when you uh bring your document, don't sign it until you go to any notary because they're witnessing your signature. And if you can bring a
photo ID uh like a driver's license. The other thing I want to say is um I want to commend uh water management and VPO Chris especially. They came to our house and provided services and changed our
meter and it ended up going smoothly. So thank you. Excellent. Thank you. Good to be here. Evening. Weisenberger, 99 JFK Drive. Uh, I was going to start with sequence, but some interesting information came out tonight. And so, we're going to adjust a
little bit here. Uh, Mr. Carr just mentioned that if we're going to get rid of a piece of property, basically has to go through council, right? I assume the reverse is the if we're going to attain a piece of
property, however, the council would have to pass a resolution to purchase. Well, it would always have to go through a resolution. Council would have to approve it for any disposal or purchase. Even if it was given to the town, council would still have to approve
that. Typically, you're going to accept a donated piece of property. You'd want to know what it was before you took it. Yeah. So, we would have a record of that and a deed. Uh, unless the records were lost when there was the catastrophic loss at Burough Hall in the 1990s. So,
yes. Well, even if there was loss, that should have been sent to the county presumably. Yes. To copy. I bring that up once again. Block 8611. Mil fine. Show me some documentation
because I'm I'm really curious now. And I'll ask it tonight. Does anybody in this room disagree that Mr. Burgerer owns the mill, pond, the dam, and the trestle? Have you contacted the tax assessor here? Oh, yeah. I've contacted a lot of
people. The county county too. And you know what? You want to know the the crazy part about that? The state, the county, everybody comes back to here. And that makes sense. They have no answers for you. No, the problem started here. Whoever put those numbers on the map
where they ever came from, we're probably never going to know. But the problem is if there was a deed, there was a document or record, even if we lost it, it should have gone to the county. County has nothing because it doesn't exist. People don't might not understand this.
I'll explain it tonight because this is a planning board issue, too. CME 4th Avenue, that property now, that redevelopment, they're only talking about the land. That property now, that property goes
under the water right now. That's what exists, never been separated, never been subdivided. That's why that number never should have shown up on the tax maps. And it doesn't show up on the old tax maps.
Now, what happened in the past or how that we're probably never going to know, but we can correct it and make it right because right now, like I said, we're on the hook. Cuz if Mr. Burgerer wanted to take that to court now, like I said, it would be us,
New Brunswick, and Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be us, New Brunswick, and whoever. But it's going to end up a three-way tie. Okay. It's Burger US and New Brunswick Water. Basically, New Brunswick. And like I
said, the D I've been in touch with them a long time. They said, "Yeah, these cases will go to court." And what happens is nobody's going to take ownership. Why would Mr. Burger take ownership now? Two other people own it. I just lost twothirds of my problem.
So, everybody's going to pay and you're going to pay forever. You're going to pay for the maintenance, replacement of that dam, everything associated with it, the dredging, everything. That's why I said this has got to be resolved. But we can do it here. We don't know any we don't need anybody else. Send those
documents. I've got the name John Foster from the D. Send those title searches to him. Send a note to them. Let them handle it. See what happens. Worse can going to come out of it. They're going to come back and say, "Well, maybe we can't change it." But we got to do
something. We just can't keep letting this go. So, and interestingly enough, tonight, Mr. Vanola, for the substate or Yeah. for the substation,
that lot and block was wrong and you caught it and corrected it. Yes, sir. Right. This is probably what's happened in the past. And it just so happens I have the deed for Mil Pond Park. This is wrong on the
tax assessor's list, too. This is 1981. John Golia has nothing to do with it. The second one that comes out, Mr. Golia took, well, Miltown took Golia to court over the value of that property for back
taxes. It took several years before they came to a price. The county commissioners came out with the price, $360,000. And they're saying this is the deed. But I don't believe it. I think there's got to be more to it. But once again, where
that record is or who's got it, we should have had a deed out of that. Like I said, whether we have a deed or not, I don't know. But this has to be corrected, too. But the problem with this, once again, with the tax assessor's office,
who makes this change? This is what I'm running into with everything. You need some kind of official or somebody, not just the layman, who can make this change. You got to present some kind of paperwork. So, I can give you these two because, like I said, this is what's on the tax
assessor's record and in the tax collector's office. It's wrong. So, and like I said, there's more to this story. People here might not know it, but back there in ' 81 when this mess started,
Brook Drive was starting and apparently somebody put the wrong names on the Green Acre grant. They crisscrossed them and stuff, the state got involved and it took several years to resolve it. And I'm hoping I can get a copy of that
at some point. But once again, it's a simple little mistake and it creates havoc. So, you know, I got a I got a question or I may have some comments. There used to be I think my uncle used to own there's a white house that used to be apartment building
and there was a house behind that where the DPW building is. It was a white single family house. If you look on the old deed for that, you might find something on one of the older deeds that tells you who owns it. It's worth exploring.
Owning what? Miltown. Mil Pond Park. No, the railroad tracks. Well, we know that stuff. That's an easy one. Yeah, the Mil Pond Park is Miltown's right, I would assume. Right. Right. To the water. And then New Brunswick owns the water, but we they have water rights. That's all
they have. Burger owns the property underneath there. Right. He owns that. He owns the dam and he owns the trestle and he owns Lawrence Brook below the dam. the the land under the water. It's in the deeds and he owns the trestle in the right away next to the Yep. In fact,
you bring that up tonight. Uh I brought this with tonight. I should have got more copies here, but this came from the historical society. This is three photos from 1905, 1907, which I put together because they were taken in
sequence out just a little bit showing that property back in that time. And I can pass it around and thank you. And opposite that photo is the barn. That's where that photo was taken. I don't remember that.
Excuse me, Lee. Wow. I'd like to ask you um your goalie and your focus of of ownership is it do you see something in the long run that's going to cost Miltown taxpayers? Is that is that a part of this? Oh yeah. Okay. And that's why you're because I know you're very
passionate about this and I really want to want to know your your goal, your ultimate goal. I said I don't want the taxpayers on the hook for any of this for the dredging, right? For that dam. The dam's got to be repaired. Trestle's got to be taken out so forth. When you
see this photo, this is a very interesting photo. Got a lot of stuff in there. Look real close when you see this of the building that was there. because the property is about 6 in higher than Lawrence
Brookke at that point. And that goes all the way back behind the drugstore. Now, in my research, once again, looking up all kinds of crazy things, I came across a 1966 deed
from Lucatch. Miltown went to him to get an easement to put three telephone poles on his property, transmission lines to go across. They asked, "Mr. Lucash, what do you want for that?" I want to fill in my property.
His property goes way back and follows the brook. He wanted to raise that property 3 ft at the level of the brook and taper it all the way up to the front, which is what he did. They agreed and that started a lot of problems.
Because if you look at that photo and you see how much that was all swamp back there, marsh land, that's where the water went. So, like I said, Miltown created its own problem when it did that. So, like I said,
that's just history. Can't do much about it now. So, like I said, but uh I do have some of the stuff from Bonafide here, too, but that's okay, too. We're not worried about that one. I do have a question for Mike though. I'm going to
cut you off. You I want to Okay, fine. Yeah. If anybody else wants to talk, I'm good. Okay. Another five minutes. Okay. Uh once again, wording Mike, what's a verified tax map mean?
Okay. I believe when the state reviews the map and certifies it, that's what it means. That's it. That's what I'm saying. Correct. Yeah. My contact with them is and once again, Mr. Carr last week, I appreciate what he said
with D. All these agencies, where do you think they're getting the data from? They just look at our records here, our tax maps or our tax office, and they they they look at a deed and a number or whatever,
and they figure that's for real. But mistakes are made. And so, like I said, they just Yeah. verified tax map, it practically means nothing. Thank you. You know, so that's what I'm saying. that number on the tax map 8601.
Eh, you know, anybody could have put it on there. So, like I said, I'm just trying to bring this out, but uh like I said, we need to fix the thing with the pond as quickly as possible. And I'm still not sure. Like I said, we can go
to the D. We can send them the documents, let them look at it, but once again, nothing else exists. We have to make that change here somehow. on I don't know legally who's got to do what or
contact Mr. burger outright again and hey look here's the documents you own it he knows it he's got the same deed and find out where we stand cuz then it's it's going to go down a dark road if not because like I said if this
gets you know just more screwed up it's just going to cost more money one way or the other so that's it faith and I appreciate I appreciate that you're doing this because if not for you this this subject would never be discussed.
Well, if if it I'll tell you if if it doesn't get settled here, there's taxpayers in this town will take action. Believe me. So, if it comes to that, we'll do it. But I'd rather go to go this route yet
and see if we can't, like I said, send out a letter or two and see what happens. Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right, I'd like to close audience comments. Uh, at this time I'd entertain
a motion to adjurnn. So moved. Second. I have a motion made by Council President Zimbran, seconded by Councilman Potter. And all in favor? Any opposed? Thank you.