To the flag of the United States of America to the public as required by statute. Municipal clerk is the municipal clerk. Is he ready to include a statement in the meetings of this in the meet minutes of this meeting? Are there any changes to the are there any changes to the
agenda? >> Mayor there, mayor. >> At this point, at this point, we will move to we will move to comment public comment on agenda items only. Anyone who would like to address the commission, please go to the podium, state your name, address, and your concerns. Please
limit your comments to approximately five minutes. Mary Mes of Milville. Uh >> I'd like a little more clarification to the resolution of filing an application
that the US Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Assistance were funded under the FY 2025 legal justice assistant grant program. I understand it deals with education and
stuff. I'd like a generalization on because it also includes equipment and programs. Uh can somebody give a a general idea of exactly what all the plan is for that?
>> We'll handle that during our work session. All right, Tamara Davis, Milville. Um, I hope when the time comes there could be a um a detailed um description of the nonreourse redevelopment bonds of
400,000 and what project it exactly is related to and what the recourse is. I know this is a non-reourse bond and I don't I'm very limited on the knowledge, but I think it means that the bond will only be paid if a certain project happens and it's usually a special
project. I'm not quite sure, but I hope since I'm confused, there might be other people in the public to be confused on that and who would be responsible for paying. Um, also the first amendment to the redevelopment agreement and purchase and sale agreement with CRP. I hope you
could provide what exactly what that amendment is for and why this project is still being kicked down the road and why it hasn't been finalized yet. I know it's gone through planning board and all that, but it just seems like it's never ending. Also, what is a municipal safety coordinator?
Um [clears throat] exactly what does that cover and um how does it fall into the whole scope of this of the police department? And then um as far as the
um one other thing, there was one other thing. Oh, the ordinance. What is that ordinance chapter 30 or I can't Oh, ordinance amending chapter 30. Exactly. What does that cover?
and I and the um UEZ resolution amending what UE resolution particularly. You'll be helpful to have the backups available. I don't understand why they can't be available, but it'll be helpful. Thanks. >> And those are all questions. That's why we're here. That's the work session.
We're going to talk about each one of these projects in detail. As a matter of fact, our uh our redevelopment attorney is here to explain two of those items to the public in detail. >> [clears throat] >> Nobody else. All right. Seeing nobody
else at the podium, I will close the podium for uh comments on agenda items only. We do have a presentation, madam clerk. >> Yes. Hardenberg insurance safety presentation. >> Thank you.
>> Good afternoon everybody. Uh I am Joe Henry with Hardenberg Insurance. uh your risk manager for the GIF. Briefly, I'll tell you why I'm here. I see some new faces. I do this every year. As a member of the GIF, you're required to have a safety committee, which you do, which I see some of your
members are present here. In addition to the requirement for the safety committee, you have to have four safety meetings a year. And you also have to address safety in some fashion on the agenda at least once a year. So, annually, I pick a topic, uh bring it to
the council members. uh you are my 34th trip of the year so far. I do 40 of these. So I take a brief time to explain the topic to you which is guided service dogs and motion support animals and then any questions you feel free to ask of
this or your safety committee please feel free to do so. So I'll take about five minutes of your time and get out of your way. Uh if you take a look at the front cover, you'll see a gentleman there with that is a wolf.
So he has uh two violations going. Hopefully there's no Yankees fans up there, but he's got a Yankees hat on the Wildwood boardwalk and he's walking a wolf. So that sparked a lot of conversation, a lot of interest on the boardwalk, a lot of fear, and a lot of
uh anxiety among some people and some curiosity among others, which naturally led to the police being called. The Atlantic GIF has several towns that have boardwalks. So the questions came up in that GIF as to what do we do in situations like this. So I want to give
you a brief presentation on service animals and what they do. Under the American Disability Act, the ADA, which is a very, very strong law, a service animals defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for a person with a
recognized disability. Uh, the worker task, as you can see, I have a picture of a miniature horse there. There is a provision to that law, believe it or not. It states a separate provision is added to allow miniature horses. And if you see that horse, it has on it a
jacket that says do not touch as a service animal on duty. If you've ever encountered a service dog, you'll find that they are incredible animals. They will always do what their handler says, and typically they're sitting at the handler's feet wearing one of those jackets. Some of the things that these
dogs will do is uh guide a blind person, help people that are deaf, help to pull a wheelchair. One amazing thing I found out that they do is they can alert people that have a seizure disorder. Some people with seizure disorders will have the dog with them. They somehow, nobody knows, but the dog can sense it
and somehow alert the owner that in the event the seizures coming on that they can possibly sit without falling and injure themselves. And also, they have been proven to help people that have PTSD. These service dogs do have legal rights, as I mentioned, under the ADA. It gives
people with disabilities the right to be accompanied by their service animal in public places. These animals are allowed to be taken into a person's workplace. Facilities with no pet policies must adhere to the law. And these pets are considered they're not considered pets. Under the law, they are considered
medical equipment. With everything else in life, there are a few exceptions. They are restricted in such areas as sterile environments in a hospital for obvious reasons. We don't want any contamination on swimming pools. They are allowed at public swimming pools, but not physically in the water. They may be uh
on the decks. Also, boarding schools, some of the students may have allergies to animal dander, dog dander, any types of situations like that. They'll have restricted areas for the dog. And also at a zoo, uh sometimes the animals, they're confined in the zoo, but the
presence of a service animal may disrupt them. So, they would make accommodations for people with service animals at the zoo. Moving on to page six, and these this is the key to the whole thing. Uh there are only two things you may ask somebody when it comes to a service
animal. Number one, is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? And two, what work or task has that dog been trained to perform? As I mentioned earlier, they're remarkable animals and it's not likely you would have any
disruptions with them. uh you cannot ask the following questions which is why all this came up with the situation on [clears throat] the boardwalk in Wildwood the nature of a person's disability for a demonstration of a task for certification licensing or identification cards because uh
strangely enough this is one area that New Jersey has not uh reg has regulated uh there is no certifications or type of identification that you would be given if you have a service animal you simply get a trainer Uh the trainer then gives you the dog
back after it's completed its training and that is it. And you cannot ask how and where the animal was trained. Reason uh that this came up as much as it did because there are people pushing the envelope. You will see people bringing animals uh claiming their service
animals but it all comes down to those two questions and it must be a dog or the pony. As I mentioned previously, uh the service handler has some responsibilities as well. The animal must retain remain under their control
at all times. Must be housebroken and must remain uh in their hand in their control as I mentioned and the handler would be responsible for any damages caused which would be highly highly unlikely. The only way basically you can remove a service animal from a public
place is if the animal becomes unruly, which again it would be very odd for that to happen. And lastly on page nine, just wanted to touch on emotional support animals briefly. Uh they do not fall under the ADA. It's completely separate than a service animal. An
emotional support animal provides comfort to people their owner just by being present. We don't deny that. But again, they don't have act they don't have access to this ADA law. Uh there's only one protection granted under the Fair Housing Act and an ESA letter would
be required and that ESA letter an emotional support animal letter would be written and signed by a licensed mental health professional. And that concludes this year's topic. I do have some resource some sources on the last page if you're interested in following up. But if you stick to those two questions,
uh you should be fine if you do encounter somebody with a service animal. If any questions, please feel free to ask that this are related to your safety committee. >> All good. >> Thank you very much. Good to meet you all.
>> Take care. Emily, we are uh Madame Clerk, we are moving forward to the uh [clears throat] uh we're going to get Mr. Kimmel on the >> on the telephone or on the uh computer. Is he not
[snorts] Connor, I think we're ready for you whenever you want to. >> Okay. Sorry, I was expecting the screen to pop up. Um, hi everybody. My name is Connor Kimmel for those of you that have not met me. I'm an associate at McMahon in Scotland and Bowman in Rosland, New
Jersey. And our firm serves as redevelopment council uh among other uh areas as well to the city. Uh I'm here today to explain or answer any questions uh about the resolutions. One authorizing a redevelopment area bond in
connection with the CRP project as well as the resolution that authorizes an amendment to the redevelopment agreement and the purchase and sale agreement with the CRP entity. Um if you think it's best for me to just start with one of them, I can start explaining. If there's any direct
questions that you'd like for uh for me to address, however you want to um proceed. >> Conor with me. >> Connor, let's go ahead and start with what the uh redevelopment area bond is. And if you want to just take it from there and how the payment works and what
it is for, what it's earmarked for and uh you could just take it away if you like. >> Sure. So, let me just start real quick with a little bit of background. I'm going to share my screen and show the financial agreement that the city had
authorized at the end of 2024 slash beginning of 2025. This is the agreement itself and you'll see at the top here that the agreement uh has redevelopment area bonds pursuant to the redevelopment area bond financing
law. And the reason that this agreement has a redevelopment area bond [clears throat] tied to it is that the long-term tax exemption law which provides for payments in lie of taxes uh says that you cannot have an agreement
that is below 10% of annual gross revenue unless you have gone in front of the local finance board and gotten their authorization to issue a redevelopment area bond in connection with the project.
Now, the redevelopment area bond in this context is $400,000. And we got to that total um a couple different ways. One, uh the city had been told, I believe, by the Cumberland by Cumberland County in the context of
extending Nav Avenue that the city's contribution for such a project would be about $400,000. So while we were negotiating this pilot and the entity was requesting percentages of annual gross revenue below 10%. the city's financial advisors
uh Phoenix adviserss in uh in work with our office was determining what type of structure would work for the city where we could have an upfront percentage that was below 10% to accommodate the entity
and making sure that their phase one project is successful on attracting tenants while also trying to hit or succeed with NAB avenues extens So ultimately what was agreed upon was that the total of the redevelopment area
bond would be $400,000. That total coming from Cumberland County as our proposed contribution towards that project and allowing a structure here where the first 10 [clears throat] years of the pilot payment the annual
gross revenue is 8.5%. And just quickly for your benefit as well, every year of this term, the entity will pay whichever figure is highest of these three. You'll see here that the first five years, the
otherwise applicable taxes is 0%. So this section is not going to apply in the first 5 years and usually doesn't until you hit the 80% mark here. So year 1, two, up to 10, they have to submit
annual uh audited reports to the city that show what their annual gross revenue was for that year. And they are going to be paying quarterly installments to the city, whichever one of these three is greatest to the city.
And again, the reason for the bond is this agreement is contrary to law because these first 10 years have a percentage under 10%. You can only have a structure like that if the project has a redevelopment area bond associated
with it. You go in front of the local finance board and you get their approval. We were in front of the local finance board in April of 2025 and got their approval for this bond. We had to file an application with them that had um a few different exhibits uh showing
what the project was about, the financial analysis around it, NAB Avenue's extension and how significant that would be not only for this project but the city and following approval. Ultimately, we as the municipality will
issue the redevelopment area bond down the road. We do this in our office. will typically close on redevelopment area bonds in conjunction with any closings on purchases of property if that project includes the developer purchasing
property from the city. So, because the first amendment is going to revise the closing date to April 15th, we would like to do the closing for the redevelopment area bond at the same time while they're taking out their checkbook, get their check for this.
That $400,000 is earmarked towards city improvements, including but not limited to the NAB Avenue extension, which we include in this financial agreement in the definition of the bonds. $400,000 shall be paid to the city for public
improvements, including the extension of Nav Avenue avenue. So, if Cumberland County, for whatever reason, says it's $300,000, the extra $100,000 remains with the city to use for other public improvements. I know that was a lot there, so maybe if
there's any followup or clarifying questions that I can give to anybody, that might be a good idea. >> Um, Mr. Kimmel, I I would say uh an explanation of of nonreourse and how the city isn't actually on the hook to pay that back would be an important point to make.
>> Got it. So, every RAD that I have worked on has been nonreourse. And I do that because it is not an obligation to the city. It does not show up on the city's audit. It doesn't show up on the city's financial reports. The bond is secured
by the entity's payment of the annual service charge to you. Taxpayers are not going to no money comes from any taxpayers for this bond. It is solely the responsibility of the entity. So there's 0% interest. We we do this
everywhere, at least everywhere that I've done it since I've been here. We do nonreourse 0% raves so that there is no impact or obligation on the city or the city's taxpayers. >> So So the way I understand it is that the city uh the bond is purchased by
either CRP or to a uh an agency that's related to CRP. we get the 400,000 and then they pay back the uh they pay back the bond each year. Am I correct on that? >> So, you're going to have the $400,000. >> You'll have the $400,000 when they make
you that payment. We want to do that on April 15th when they close on their purchase of the property. >> That $400,000 is the city's. It's earmarked and that will be used for public improvements including the extension of Nav Avenue. $400,000 divided by 30, which is the
30-year term of the financial agreement for the particular project, is roughly 13,333.33. So each year, this entity is going to be paying the city a certain amount of money, right? And that certain amount of money each year is going to be the
highest of a percentage of annual gross revenue. This amount of money per square foot of the project or a percent of otherwise applicable taxes. I'm going to just make it up and I'm going to say in year one they pay you they owe you $100,000
because they gave you $400,000 upfront. You are going to take30th of that which is roughly $13,333.34 and credit that against their $100,000 that they're paying you. So you will ultimately end up that year with 86,600
and whatever dollars that would be. Does that make sense? >> Yes. >> Mr. Kimmel, um, does the RAB carry interest? >> It does not. And I think that we specifically have that in our definition as well up here. >> Okay.
>> Yes. Uh bearing interest at 0% peranom issued by the city and it is for public improvements including the extension of NAV Avenue and we do that everywhere here too. 0% non-reourse. >> Now I'm thinking optimistically however if the project fails uh does the bond
continue to get paid? Well, they are going to be paying you the $400,000 upfront. If the project fails and the and the financial agreement is terminated, you have the $400,000 that they had paid you. I mean,
you're not going to be getting, right, the annual service charge each year because the agreement will terminate, right? >> They would be paying conventional taxes on the improvements and land. you would stop getting annual service charges, but you would have the $400,000 that they
give you upfront and that would still be earmarked for public improvements, including the extension of Nav Avenue. So, when this if this project did fail and the agreement needed to terminate, right, you rip up the agreement and the improvements on the property are now no
longer exempt from taxation, they're going to start paying taxes. So that's another like they do not want this agreement to be terminated because then they go from this structure that we attach at the end to conventional taxes which would be
more for them. But again we we do this framework because at the end of the day this brings a significant amount of revenue toward to the city that otherwise would not be going to the city. These 225 acres have been owned by the city for at
least the past 25 years and have generated no income. And upon purchase of the land, you get the 10 obviously the $10.2 million purchase price of the land. And then you will be getting an annual service charge payment over the duration of this financial agreement.
>> Questions from commissioners? >> Um I don't want to jump ahead. Um, when I'm looking at this amendment, I couldn't help but notice [clears throat] >> Let him explain. Why don't we let him explain amendment first and he might answer your question. >> No, if you have a question about the amendment, that may be helpful. What I want to make sure everybody's
comfortable and understands everything. So, if you have questions and that directs the conversation, that's that's fine with me. >> Well, Connor, let's go ahead and explain the amendments to the uh uh the timeline and then >> and amendments to the >> I think if you just go through that that'll probably answer everybody's question.
>> Yep. So I have here on the right hand side here, this is our amendment that we will be that is up for authorization next week. Uh real quick, let me just go to the top to show you. This is our fully executed redevelopment agreement dated December 9th, 2024. And this is our fully
executed purchase and sale agreement dated the same date. The purchase and sale agreement is the contract for the sale of the property. the redevelopment agreement. Is the contract actually showing what the rights and responsibilities of the parties are for the project? I I think it might just be
better to run through it in order if that's okay. >> Yep. >> So, just [clears throat] real quick, right, we start in section three of our amendment amending the 9th and 10th recital of the redevelopment agreement. Essentially just swapping what was considered to be the phase one and phase
2 projects. I I don't know the particular why the the redeveloper needed to switch them, but they asked that they could do phase two first and phase one second, and we were okay with that. The projects are very, very similar, as you'll see, but this is the
ninth recital to the agreement right here, and this is the 10th recital to the agreement right here. What was originally contemplated to be the phase one project was two warehouses of approximately 744,000 square ft and you
know additional loading docks, parking spaces, storage spaces and the phase 2 project was two warehouses of 682,000 [clears throat] square ft with loading docks, parking spaces and storage spaces. So they had asked that they could do this one first
and this one second. So what section three of the amendment does is it takes what was the phase 2 project and makes it the phase one project. And what section four does is it takes what was
did I say that correct? Yes. This up here is saying what the phase one project is. It was this correct. I'm I just I'm trying not to confuse you guys.
This here is the new phase one project which was the original phase 2 project. You see how we got the $628,000 square foot warehouses, 146 loading docks, 260 square 260 parking spaces. That was the
phase 2 project. It's the phase one project. The phase one project is now the phase 2 project. So what section three and section four does is it just simply switches and swaps phase one and phase two which are both include two
very large warehouses and additional loading docks, parking spaces and storage spaces. >> Any questions? >> No. [clears throat] >> Okay. Hearing none, I will move on.
Section five, six, 7 and 8 take our four project timelines that are included within schedule C and modifies them. And just for everybody's background, okay, I had joined this project in about mid
2024 and we have held since then bi-weekly meetings not only with the city to go over all the redevelopment projects but with the developers to go over their progression with this project. They've kept us in the loop from the get-go for about two years now,
week bi-weekly about their engineering drawings, um, problems that they had had with with the D, getting in touch with them, having them get to the property and access and do whatever inspections they had needed to do. And ultimately the timeline that we had originally put
into the redevelopment agreement, which we typically in representing municipalities want there to be an aggressive timeline. uh they had let us know from the get-go that some of these dates were going to be hard to hit. And one of the things that they had let us know as well is
while they originally contemplated to go in front of the planning board for preliminary and final site approval for all three phases at the same time that that just wasn't doable for them. They couldn't do that and they were only going to be able to get preliminary and
final uh preliminary and final site plan approval for phase one. So when you first see our new timelines, this is the new timeline from here. So this is original. This is new. We had completed these
three items on the timeline. One, two, three, and four. one, two, three, and four are being kicked back because they are not going to submit for the phase two and phase three until later in the future. They have secured preliminary and final uh site plan approval for
phase one and they are going to proceed with constructing and completing phase one and then we'll get to the um later phases at a later date. So, these are the changes 1 2 3 4. Well, I guess we technically changed these three to at
least acknowledge that they've been completed and these three dates were revised into the future to allow them to proceed with their phase one project. So, this is the first one that we change and I'll let it sit here for a second. I don't want to
fly up and down too much. And I'll just scroll down if that's okay. And if anybody wants me to go back up later, I I certainly will. This is our new phase one project timeline. Again, hitting the completed there. This is the government approvals are
pushed out about 7 months. Commencement of construction is pushed back until the end of next month, but completion of construction of the phase 1 project remains the same. So ultimately we get to or we keep their deadline to complete
the phase one project uh the same December 31st 2027. Our phase 2 project timeline similar about 6 months uh kicked out for completion of drawings. Um this is about 10 months kicked out for government
approvals. This is about 10 months for commencing construction, but ultimately we keep the same completion of construction for the phase 2 project as October 31st, 2029. And you're going to see very similar
push backs for the phase three project as well. >> Mr. Kim, >> this did get pushed back a year, one year. >> Mr. Mr. Mr. Kimmel. >> So, those are our four new project timelines pursuant to this first amendment.
>> All right. Mr. Kimmel, could you talk a little bit about what you know, I think people get the uh impression that uh this developer is dillydallying and as you said that you do have bi-weekly meetings um with us and with the developer. Um talk a little bit about
what pushes these dates back. I mean, I I hear people I hear people say things. Go ahead. So just just at the outset too, right, in in in representing municipalities like we we do sometimes put a little bit
more aggressive of a timeline than maybe is a little bit more realistic. So to prevent developers from dillydallying because I will say there are some developers who do that. Um CRP has been kind of a poster child that we would
love. We would love if every single developer acted [clears throat] and was as diligent as CRP has been in the past two plus years. Um, from appearing bi-weekly and letting us uh letting us know where they're at. Um, they are
purchasing 225 acres, which is a significant amount of land. They are purchasing it for $10.2 million, which is a significant purchase price. and they're contemplating three phases of projects that include I guess it's I
didn't do the math but it's a well over two million square ft. If we had two at 744 that's 1.4 million right there. Two here is 1.2 million square ft. So they're looking at a three-phase project
constructing millions of square footage. They're purchasing 225 acres of city property. Uh they had to do inspections of all of those pieces of property. They had to get engineering drawings done for three sets of projects and they had to
get financing in line to be able to pay $10.2 million for city property. It does not surprise me in the least that there are certain dates that were included in our relatively aggressive timeline that they were unable to hit. And the only reason we're willing to amend that,
well, not the only reason, but one of the biggest reasons we're willing to amend this is because of the constant updates that they had given us throughout the past 2 years. And if we, they had ever gone dormant and failed to keep us in the loop, we would not be as willing to work with them to get them
where they needed to be. But they have been diligent and have kept us in the loop. And at the end of the day, too, when this closes, there's an additional $10.2 $20 million coming to the city on top of the project itself which is going to be valuable to the city and on top of
the pilot payments that they're going to be making to the city as well. So I mean I guess to make a long answer short, it's just a very significant project. It's a significant amount of land and it's a significant purchase price. >> Any other questions from Commissioner?
Um, Mr. Kimmel, while we have you here, I believe that you were a part of the uh the ordinance for our the land use ordinance that's on our uh did you work with Lou uh Lou Gardy on the data center ordinance? >> A little limited. Yes. Uh Lou had
drafted the entirety of the ordinance. I had put my eyes on it a few times to make some revisions and make sure that the data center was included within the prohibited uses of that ordinance and I had drafted the resolution that refers
this ordinance to the planning board for their review. Yes. >> Would you like to make any comments about that resolution? Uh obviously looking it over. what you >> Yeah, I I would defer a little bit to Lou um as her in her capacity
representing the city for maybe some in-depth questions about the ordinance itself. But I do know that in order for this ordinance to eventually be adopted, you have to refer it to the planning board. They have to review it and make
their own determinations and get back to you, the city commission, within 35 days of referral. So this resolution is just a statutory check mark to make sure that you can get to the point to ultimately adopt that ordinance.
>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Kimmel. Any further questions from the commission? >> Yeah. Uh Mr. Kimmel, um on the bottom of if you could explain it on exhibit 3, you have a little asterk there with a disclaimer. Um uh >> yes, >> regarding time. Can you explain that?
>> Sure. they have told us and it makes relative I mean I guess I haven't been personally to Nav Avenue while I've been down in the city but from what I can gather in order to make the project
ultimately as successful as possible in the future where we have like I said millions of square footages of warehousing you're going to be having some big trucks driving up and down and having an extension of NA Nav Avenue avenue will certainly help that project
uh flourish and uh succeed. And if this NAB a let me pull the redevelopment agreement. It's in 4.2. Give me one second. We have language within the redevelopment agreement that certain
deadlines may be pushed out if we have not extended NAB Avenue. So if we look, we we have April 1, 2027 here is the proposed NAB Avenue extension date. If that is one year later,
then within phase two and phase three, the dates go out as well by a year. And I will say if that does happen, what I think would what we would ultimately do is negotiate with the redeveloper and
see if we can accommodate or or maybe shorten those timelines up because they they want to build this project and if NAB Avenue is successfully extended, I don't believe that they would just
say, "Great, we'll get to this a year later." they're going to want to start as soon as they can. So, if NAV Avenue does happen later, we can still try to take the pen to this agreement to maybe
get some more dates certain. Uh but the logic behind this was that without rehabbing or redeveloping or extending NAB Avenue, it would be hard to have the amount of trucks and traffic
go through Nab Avenue to the project site coming in and out. So we need to get that project done. And it's another reason why we want to get this RAB done now and get the $400,000 as soon as we can to use towards that project. Um, and once that's completed,
the phase 2 and phase three projects as well as the phase one project will be greatly um um they'll be much better off when when that's done. >> Thank you. One one more thing I got.
Uh I haven't looked at the I don't have the original RDA in front of me. So um I'm looking at >> it's right here. >> Yeah, I see it. I see it here, but uh I got to be honest, I can't see that. Great. >> I'm trying to look at sections 9, 10,
11, and 12 were uh deleted. I'm trying to figure out what's been removed in the amended version. Got it. Okay. So 9, 10, 11, and 12 reference the purchase and sale agreement, right? >> So these sections are not doing anything to the redevelopment agreement. So
here's the purchase and sale agreement. Section 3.2 here had conditions to closing, right? You were not able to close under the original purchase and sale agreement unless everything here was accomplished. And I had mentioned
before that they had told us, I don't remember exactly when they first told us, probably a year ago, maybe even longer, that they were not going to proceed with preliminary and final site plan approval for all three phases. They were going to proceed with phase one.
Okay? So, if we don't change 3.2 knowing that they're not getting preliminary and final for all three, then theoretically we are not satisfying these conditions and you can't close. So what section 9 does is it deletes
section 3.2 to remove these conditions to closing. We skipped section 3.3 because the subdivision of the land was satisfied that was done. So we left that alone and we removed section 3.4 and
3.5. 3.4 is a is a particular time period for them to get approvals which would ultimately push out the closing date. 3.5 gives them extension periods where if
they make $50,000 uh payments to the city, they can ultimately further push out uh closing as well by ultimately 6 months. Each one is a 3month extension period. We are getting rid of all of these
conditions to closing. We are getting rid of this condition to closing and we are getting rid of this extension notice which they theoretically could right pay you guys the city $100,000 that would kick out the approvals period
so that you're still within the approvals period and if you are in the approvals period the buyer has the right to terminate the agreement. So if we did not remove section 3.5 there's a universe uh uh they don't want to do it.
They don't want to cancel the project or expended too much time and money to abandon the project now. But under the written agreement, there's a universe where they could make a $100,000 payment, push out the approvals period so that we're still in the approvals
period, and they can cancel the agreement and walk away and not have to pay you guys $10.2 million for the property. by getting rid of all of these conditions to closing and in section 12 putting a April 15 closing date and an
April 30th penalty date to pay us 100,000 if you haven't closed by then gets rid of all of the roadblocks that we currently have to close and opens up our avenue to close on April 15th. >> Thank you.
And if I can just pair that down to simplified language, all that was done to be able to close on April 15th or we wouldn't be able to. >> Excellent, Mayor. That was very success [laughter] to closing have been removed so we can
proceed to closing. >> All right. >> Yeah. So I I just want to say thank you. Uh that was very well done. you you took a very complex document and a big thing that we're doing here, right? So, if this isn't just a sale of an abandoned property,
this is a a huge opportunity. And uh we appreci Yeah, we appreciate what you're doing and how you're looking out for the city of Milville as well as your um letting us know that CRP is a good partner right now and has been doing
very good on keeping you guys informed and uh we appreciate hearing things like that. So, thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. And uh it has been excellent working with the city and to get to this, you know, point in the
project has been very rewarding. So, let's just keep it keep it going, get to closing and get a very successful project for the city. >> And April 15th is right around the corner. >> It sure is. >> Less than two weeks. >> All right. Well, Mr. Kimmel, thank you so much for coming on with us. And uh
I'm pretty sure you answered all the questions that were out there. And uh again, like the vice mayor said, thank you for everything you've done. I know I see you every two weeks and so does uh Commissioner Kasabun. And uh you always answer our questions and uh we're really
happy with the way this project's going so far. And uh thank you. >> Of course. And if any any questions come up later and you're one of those forgot to ask that question, I'm [clears throat] just an email away and I'll uh I'll get back to you as soon as I can. >> All right. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you, Connor. You're all welcome. Have a great day. Take care. >> Madam clerk, are we skipping ahead to that resolution now or those two resolutions? >> Well, we're not voting. That's not a vote on this.
>> No. I don't know if you want to jump to the resolution awarding a non-fair and open contract for Trision Technology since we do have S here as well. >> Yep, let's go ahead with that one. As far as this uh Trojan, this is
basically a maintenance thing. Um, every two two and a half years we change light bulbs. We um reconfigure the canisters and every five years we do the um sleeves basically. But um we're getting close to the 10 year mark and um the
Trojan uh company came to us last year and when it comes to the 10-year mark um it needs like an overhaul of the modules and they have a new um module a new design. It's basically the canisters are
twice as big so it holds more solution so you don't have to clean them as much and the light bulbs are inside the sleeves where um right now they're separate. You got to put the light bulbs in the sleeves. Everything's like manual when we do it. Um so and when you do the
breakdown as I have on the spreadsheet there um it's going to cost less to buy the new modules than to rebuild the old ones. So these are just to break it down for somebody who doesn't do what you do. These are UV bulbs that sanitize the water before it's expelled into the
river. >> It's a disinfection before the water goes to the river. So yes, >> it's something that's needed. You have no choice on that. >> And they're not they're not cheap. >> No. Like each light bulb is like $500 almost. >> Yeah. >> How much did you say it was?
>> The each light bulb? Yeah. About 500. >> 500 >> each. That I brought one here. This is what they look like. This is a used one. So, they're like $500 each and there's like 300 some light bulbs
>> in the whole but we're only replacing half the unit now and half in like three years. We're kind of and the um >> how big are these canisters? >> Oh, >> for that for that to have that many are about $100 each. But we we um I bought
the inserts and we buy the um seals that go inside and we rebuild them ourselves. So it cost about $30 instead of $100 to replace each one. But the new ones are going to be like twice as big as these. >> Okay. >> Like that. And then these are ballast. These are
like $1,300 each. And the warranty on these are five years. And it's um and they they have a lifespan of like 10 years. So we're coming up on the lifespan of those. And you can see on the paper that comes out to like hundred something thousand dollars to replace
those in those two banks. If we were to just buy the old ones, it's 116,000 to replace those where the new units are going to have everything. They're all brand new modules. >> You said it's about 10 years. 10 years
already it's been >> Yes. 2017 we put them in. So, we're coming up. >> And uh is it manufacturer specific replacement parts for the Trojan? >> Yes, I did. This last time I replaced
the sleeves. I did find sleeves that were cheaper on third party and we we tried them, but that's only because we're near the end of the life of them. So, if something were to happen, >> right, >> we're have to replace them anyway. So, but yeah, everything's like um it's
their proprietary equipment and like I like you see on the sheet um the 12 hours 12,000 hours is what the lifespan of the bulbs are and I run them to like 21,000 hours. So, I almost get double out of them until they start um blowing or I fecals start coming up the
on the samples. I use them until the end. So I try to because they're so expensive. >> So what you're saying is that you can tell when the bulbs start losing their effectiveness. >> Yes. >> Okay. Very good. Any other questions for S?
>> No. >> And just so everybody knows, this does come out of the the uh sewer budget, not through the tax. >> We I saved some money from last year and I'm using some of the money this year. So, it's not bonded or anything. It's just coming out my budget.
>> Very good. >> Any more questions? >> Um, do you want to do you want him to do the cooperative pricing now while he's here too or >> wastewater NJWCPS? Um Trish, is that him or is that Eric? >> Is that to join the co-op?
>> Yeah. >> So that's for um the water department. >> The water's going to do that. And do you want >> uh the city is not currently part of this co-op? It's free to join, but in order to join, we have to do a resolution that we want to partake. There are certain vendors that Derek
uses for water that are on this co-op. So we're trying to join it to get the co-op prices. And you're going to wait for Okay. Okay. >> Oh, and as far as these prices, these were last year's prices. Um, January they had a price hike, but I made a deal with Trojan.
>> As long as we get them by May, we get them for last year's prices. >> And the warranty doesn't kick in until we do startup. So, >> you were saying, yeah, it doesn't that doesn't even >> Yeah, I made a deal with the warranty and everything. So, they don't kick in until I put them in. So,
>> anything else? Good job, S. Thanks. >> Once again, great job you're doing down there. Thank you, S. >> Yeah. Anytime you guys want to come down and see what it is, come down and check it out. It's a lot involved with the UV. I mean, that every month we're in there cleaning the light bulbs and taking stuff apart and doing things.
>> So, it's not just to replace them and not worry about them. It's constant maintenance. So, >> that's really interesting. >> Very interesting. He does a great job down there. >> It really is. >> He does. >> Thank you, sir. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> You want to start back at the beginning and we'll just scroll through? >> So, we do have a couple ordinances for second reading. There is three involving handicap parking. one to remove handicap at 502 Dock Street and two are to add at 919 North Street and 219 West McNeel
Street. We also have two ordinances for the coin drops. One on May 23rd and one on August 29th, 2026 at Buck Sheetum and Cedarville Road. >> So, these are this the standard applications [clears throat] that we have to do and permits that we
have to do for the handicap parking. Um, once a handicap spot is no longer used, we have to do an ordinance to remove it. And uh the coin drops are the standard permitting for coin drops >> and the handicap uh traffic safety
actually goes out there and verifies all of them and >> you can't have off street parking like he really does a good job making sure that you know the handicap parking fits all the you know proper uh >> regulations that he needs. >> Great.
Ordinances for first reading. An ordinance amending the salary ordinance. We also have an ordinance for first reading, an ordinance amending chapter 30, which is what Connor just went over. >> And I will I will speak to that quickly.
um that is um it's not a secret to anybody what's going on in Vinand with the data centers and currently data centers have a lot of questions environmental questions noise questions energy use questions um and I don't
think there's a lot of real concrete answers to these questions out there I think there's a lot of concerns with uh the amount of water that they use um the amount of energy they use as far as raising uh you know uh citizens uh
energy bills. Um so there's a lot of a lot of questions. So um I think from the very beginning I think from our the time that we uh were sworn in I think that night we all went on kind of the record and and said that data centers were not something that we wanted here. I think
every time we've had somebody in the audience come up and uh mention data centers, we've all kind of been on the same page and said data centers are not something that uh Milville is looking to do. Um so now we're going to actually do something about that and put together an
ordinance um prohibiting data centers from the city. It's got to go to the planning board first. Um, and then it's going to come back to us and then, uh, looks like that's something that's going to happen uh, in Millville. I think we're all looking forward to that. You
know, we don't want something that can possibly harm our citizens in any way coming to the city and without this ordinance, there's a lot of times that uh, developers sneak things through under different types of land use um, you know, definitions. So, this
clarifies what a data center is. It clarifies what a warehouse is. It clarifies um what can and can't be done. And um I think we're all pretty uh on board with this. Open it up for uh comments.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. [laughter] Good. I like it. Yeah. >> You know what my feelings are on the data centers? >> Yeah. We we've all we've all been very well aware of what's going on, you know, and if there's a time where, you know, here's the thing. If there's a time where a data center,
>> you know, becomes something that doesn't take a lot of power, it doesn't use any water or doesn't take a lot of energy, uh, doesn't create a hum, uh, a disturbance to nearby, that's something we can go back and take another look at. But for right now, um the commissioners
feel that this is something that um we don't want a part of until a lot of these questions are answered and I don't think there's a lot of answers for these questions and this is the last thing that we think is good for the citizens of Milville at this point. >> Yes.
>> All right. >> And uh just go back. It took me a minute to find the ordinance for the salary. So, uh, one is, uh, we're we're filling in some gap of positions that we haven't had or have been part-time. Um, so one's a qualified emergency agent and, uh, we
have a personnel director and a fleet that we haven't been without for a little while. And then the other three are part-time positions. So, uh, we are trying to fill some gaps that we've been missing, filling some gaps and bringing up the
the salaries to compare with the rest of the county. especially on the uh for the part times for the special officers and the property clerks. >> Madame clerk, that finishes up our ordinances, correct?
>> Yes. >> Let's should we move on to resolutions? >> Yes. Resolution authorizing amendment number one to professional service contract Clark Kaitton Kaitton and Heints and this is the affordable housing. >> Yeah. So, uh, you know, we, um, Clark
was retained last year to try to, um, get us up to, uh, where we need to be for affordable housing. Um, we're just extending that. Uh, they're going to create a plan. So, we're in, um, >> fourth round >> for the fourth round and that we're
going to be up to where we need to be. Um, >> yes. So each each municipality in New Jersey is required to have a certain amount of affordable housing. It is a complex um you know calculation on how
that happens. It's not something we can just walk around and count houses. So you need representation to figure that out for you, make sure you're compliant. So this just uh awards the contract to uh these individuals. >> It gives us a master plan that we need. Um that's what most of the they're
doing. We did find out we're closer than we thought we were, right? So, >> I think we're very close. It doesn't look like if if Mil needs any more affordable housing, it's not much at all. Um, but it most likely we are at our quota and we have plenty
>> resolution authorizing tax and utility adjustments. resolution authorizing an amendment to the four seasons agreement street lighting provision. >> Take that one. You know what's going on there? >> A little bit. >> So, I'll tell you what I know. This is something that uh our business
administrator worked very hard on. Uh apparently when we first made our agreements with Four Season, the agreement was for the city to um pay for street lighting. um there haven't been any adjustments to that the amount that we've been paying. So what we've done is
we've brought it up to the actual level of what they've been paying. So um it makes it more fair. There's a big gap. I think it last time it was updated was 2012. So this just brings it up to what the current costs actually are. >> That's about what a 5 was 5,000
>> $5,62. >> I think that's about a It probably doubled. I think the the original was three. I'm going off top. Yeah. This is something the business administrator worked very hard on. >> Yeah. >> But there hasn't been an update in that
amount that was uh reimbursed them in over what is it 14 years. So, uh if anything, we we're ahead of the game here. >> And that was part of the agreement uh that they entered into. Uh it's not new. It's not nothing we're doing. No. that's
any different than we've already agreed to them a decade ago. >> Correct. >> So, >> all right. Looks like we're down to municipal safety coordinator. >> Anybody like to speak to the municipal safety coordinator? So, what this is
briefly, um, we're required by the GIF to have a safety coordinator and a member of the safety committee. Um, it was, uh, we appointed Miss Shapyro as that
coordinator. Um, we've since changed that and with this resolution, we'll be changing it to uh, uh, Mr. Williams from the fire department. Tommy Williams. Um he's uh he's good. He's thorough. Um
Chief Wetstein uh gave his recommendation. Um it's is something that we have to have. Uh we've had had it for years. Um and hopefully we'll be able to improve that part of the uh
safety for the city. Yeah, it's it's nothing new. It's just we're switching from one person to another person and um and filling gaps that we haven't been doing in that department for a while. And Chief, you have anything to add you to that?
>> Sure. Sure. Please. So, I'll just be brief. Uh, the municipal safety coordinator has a few different jobs. They'll uh develop safety improvements, monitor the other departments in the city, and make sure that they attend meetings, hold
trainings in their specific departments, work with the claims coordinator for anybody that's injured on the job. identify corrective actions and then for you know moving forward to make sure nobody else has the same kind of accident injury you know it's injury
prevention and safety uh they're the contact person for the MSI training which is an online training that the city provides uh he'll be out doing hazard inspections in all the city buildings and city departments parks playgrounds to make
sure that the city's not locked viable as long as our safety inspections are being done, collects, organizes safety program documentation and makes that all available for review. So, it's just one person to oversee the safety for the city as a whole and coordinate with the
GIF and the other gentleman that was here from the uh Hardenberg Insurance [clears throat] Company. >> Perfect. Thank you, Chief. >> Thank you, Chief. >> Thank you. resolution of the commissioners of the city of Milville authorizing a public fireworks display for Fourth of July.
>> We're excited. Um, America's 250th birthday. Um, as you know, we're mo we're moving it where it usually is. It's usually at Union Lake. It's going to be at the uh Tim Shannon Sports Complex this year. Um, so we're looking forward to approving this on Tuesday.
So, we have fireworks for our celebration. It's going to be a fun day, right, Commissioner? >> It's going to be fun. >> I won't talk about the activities going on that day today, but I'm hoping we can expand some of the fun things happening, especially with the wrestling.
>> We will be talking about the um the parade soon and the parade route soon, too. >> Excellent. >> Resolution authorizing the city of Milville to apply for recycling tonnage grants. What does that help? What's that grant again?
>> This is the tonnage grant. We get money for how much tonnage and trash that we collect. It's a required report. Like I know some of these companies around here like the Elks had to fill out a tonnage report. How much of waste that we they
paid somebody else to haul away. So, it's a report that is submitted yearly. It's a annual report and it's required. >> Thank you, Commissioner K. >> Resolution authorizing filing an application with the US Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Assistance for
funding under the fiscal year 2025 local justice assistance grant program and authorizing a shared services agreement between the city of Vineland, City of Milville, City of Bridton, and County of Cumberland for such funding. Can you explain that a little bit? >> Yes.
>> So, this is an annual requirement for the JAG grant. Justice um Vinland has been the lead municipality that uh runs the program for many many years. So for the past decade or so, Milville and
Bridgton have to pass uh the shared service agreement to proceed with the grant. I believe Milville's funding is allotted 18,000. They Vinland does take a 3% for the administration and backend.
So we once this gets um approved and Bridton does their end, we'll get 15,000 from it. And then the police department specifically put in what they're going to use. Sometimes it's for it improvements. It's very specific of what
they've allotted for this grant. Um, but like the tonnage, it's kind of like a paperwork requirement that we approve the resolution before it goes to the next step for it to be awarded. >> Is there a How do they come up with who
gets what amount? Do you know? >> I don't know the total. So, I know it's like a total pot and then each municipality gets a a piece of it. I don't know how that like why we get 18 and Bridgton gets a different number and Vinland gets a different number. I've
never been privy to to that information. I just know that you know we kind of always have flown through mil or Vinand and they manage it for >> that. [laughter] Yeah, I will talk with Chris about the tonnage. There is a report done.
>> Yeah. So, back to circle back to the tonnage. So, this resolution is required, the tonnage resolution is required to be approved to submit for the tonnage grant money that we'll receive in 2026. Uh we won't know that dollar amount
until the state receives everybody's resolutions and then calculates based off of everybody's reports. So Chris did get would have to gather from the Elks and all the local businesses their tonnage. It gets submitted to the state.
The state has a, you know, a giant matrix or whatever and every town kind of gets a piece of the pie. We probably know that in like Juneish time period what we're getting. But the more tonnage that's reported in theory, the more
grant money you'll receive. >> Does the police department put together the jack? Uh >> yes. So for the JAG one um the police department would have had to work with Vineland okay to submit hey this is what we plan on spending on
>> and you know they make sure that it fulfills all of those requirements. >> Thank you. Thank resolution authorizing the tax collector to issue duplicate certificates of sale
resolution to award contract for the purchase of polymer. >> Put it out the bed. Now we're awarding contract. >> This is one we already did earlier, right? >> Yeah. So you previously um the resolution to go out to bid.
>> Now we're one person makes the product. So it's the same vendor they have been using and this is just officially >> perfect. >> And it gets paid out of the store. >> Oh, we I like it. >> It's something that is definitely required. >> It is required as part of the process.
>> The process of I learned that when you were out. >> Yeah. And I heard what it's used for and that's good enough. >> Thank you. A resolution authorizing an amendment for the purchase of a UAC funded truck. >> We'll let Samantha Cruz uh discuss.
>> She was already walking. >> I saw her ready. >> Yeah, it is a tag team uh situation. Um but first I did want to uh I know we briefly talked about the fireworks. Um just so everybody knows, when you see the actual number, it comes out to 215.
Um so it went up $1,500 from last year. I really haggled hard for that $1,500. Like they might have almost canled our fireworks year because of the 1500, but then I finally said, "Okay." But one thing you have to know, if you look around surrounding cities, uh they're
more in like the $35,000 range for Fourth of July fireworks. Um V Pyro Technico uh bought out Violent Fireworks many many moons ago. So they've always taken care of their sister city of Milville. Um so we've always gotten a really decent price for our fireworks.
Um, so I think if we didn't have fireworks, people would be really upset about that. So, um, we're really still under the price for fireworks, uh, at 215 for, uh, 4th of July plus the 250th anniversary of the of America. So, I if
anybody questions you on that, it's I'm telling you, we're still getting a really good deal. >> And 5,000 is being funded via. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. So we um uh UEZ uh covers uh Fourth of July as one of the events and so we tapped in the money that we
already had plus we added 5,000 from UE. So technically it's only costing the city out of grant money 175. So or yeah 175. Um so uh get to UE. Um I think everybody in the room knows but I am currently the UEE coordinator for the
city of Milville. Um it's been a really fun couple weeks. I've been screenshotting things to Trish and showing them. Um, it's grueling. They always want changes. They actually sent back a application to me um because uh Joseph was spelled wrong, but then they just spelled Milville wrong in their
agenda. So, we were thinking about writing back to them, but I don't think I'm going to mess with the state on that one. Um, but this particular uh UE resolution, you actually awarded the resolution in February for a uh F250 pickup truck for the UEE team. that was
built into the application that we pulled down from the state. Um, we are at the mercy of Ford Productions right now of actually getting this truck. They tell us 90 days, but whenever Ford punches this guy out, that's when we would get it. So, our contact at
Jennalini Ford called us up and said, "Hey, Sam, we've got or I think it was Miguel at first said, "Hey, we've got a really good deal. We can get you a state body right now. We can have it to you in two weeks. We'll send you a price." Well, they came back with a price and it was $11,000 and I was like, "No, we
don't have $11,000. We can't we can't afford that." Um, if anybody doesn't know, utility body is a body of truck that has bunch of doors and you could store all your tools. I didn't think about getting that truck when we originally asked for this purchase. Um, but now they want to give this truck to
us for an additional $2,500. So, we would be getting um a $72,000 truck. So, we're going to be saving about $10,000 um on this particular truck. We do have the funding um through uee. So it's not like this is coming out
of municipal funds because we we did build in that into our uee. Um anything that we put in, we always uh do a like a little bit of a wiggle room for cost increase. Um anything like that because we know I'm putting in an application a
year, year and a half and I'm not getting approved until like a year later or using the funding. So you're going to have in cost increase in cost. So it just it's it's the nature of the beast. So >> to add, so when you re see the
resolution, I had to break it out. So we already approved 61,000 to get paid to Geny Motors. We will be paying the 2500 to kind I call it like their little subsidiary, which is the upfit, which is municip mees is what they're short for
municipal. I can't think of the ES right at the moment. Um, but I had to split it out last night on the resolution to say we we're g we're going to pay 61 here. Here if you they're the same location. It's just how they're working the upfit
for the utility body and then the plow as well. >> Well, the plow wasn't the original. >> Yeah. >> So that it might look a little, you know, confusing, wonky, but that's why in theory we're paying two different vendors, but in the back end it's really the same person. It's just how they do
their outfits. So, but it did come out of the UEZ clean team funding. So, there's enough to cover it. >> Um, and since um I am talking we did talk about the clean team. I just wanted to let you know uh they actually started
uh two weeks ago. So, on Monday um I did one of them did not work out. So, I'm currently using another parks employee but the other person's being on board it right now. Um we've uh taken care of both industrial parks. So they both have been clean meaning the scarities and the
hurly uh complex and we actually started uh 47 this week. So we started down at Orange Street and we have made our way up to almost KFC. So um we will that so we went northbound now we're going to turn around and go southbound next week. So um I have already seen a little bit
of a difference of just trash and stuff like that. So if there's a particular area that any of the commissioners see, let me know. If it isn't in the UEZ zone, unfortunately we can't do it. We do have to follow the map. I really wanted to tackle CE Cedar Street from Blinker to uh Silver Run, but
unfortunately it is not in our UEE zone. So maybe I'll just go out there personally and pick it up. So if anybody wants to join me, I'll let you know when we're doing that. Um but if you don't have any other questions, that's what I have on the UEE stuff right now. >> Thank you. Thanks, Sam.
>> All right, Madame Clerk. New business. >> Yes, we have two uh special events to approve. One is the Teen Arts Festival on April 22nd, 2026. And the other is National Prayer Day May 7th, 2026 from 4:30 to 6:30.
>> Anything that involves our youth is a is a positive for the city as far as I'm concerned. >> Every you're looking at High Street, it's really it's really great to see. >> There's hundreds of >> I know. It's it's just amazing to see uh all of these >> [clears throat] >> uh >> these young people just en enjoying our
city. >> I also see National Day of Prayer on here. I want to find out more about that. I see it's uh Buck Street, not out front. So, I'm curious. >> I'm curious. So, hopefully I have a an
answer uh for Tuesday at the meeting. Get that clarified. All right, now reach the public comment portion of the meeting. If you'd like to come up and address the commission, go to the podium, state your name and address and
your concerns. Please limit your comments to approximately five minutes. >> Uh, Tamar Davis, I just have a couple questions to kind of summarize the the the bond and the CRP just so I can be clear. And obviously if you don't know
the answers, you can get the answers for Tuesday. That's fine. So with the flip-flop of the stages, the second stage is bigger than the first stage. Is that is that correct? In my understanding from what I recall, >> I believe they're they're all pretty close. They're not much. A little bit
bigger. >> All right. So I thought it was a little bigger, but they're close. >> I know. Okay. But let's just assume it's a little bigger, right? So, this bond was mentioned as it's for city improvements and NAB Avenue. So, could
we be real here for a second? If the second phase is bigger than the first P phase, you're going to need NAB Avenue more than you think, right? There is no denying that, right? >> Okay. So my cur curiosity is, is that bond, the $400,000 bond
sufficient to pay for building NAB Avenue? So obviously it isn't. So who's going to pay the rest? >> Which is not bonded. You know, wherever it might come from, it could be bonded by a different entity, but I not sure if
it would be bonded by the city. So So who will pay for the remainder amount? Because I know it's costs way more than 400,000. Um, and how soon? Because if they're ready to close on the 15th, they're obviously going to start, they're going to probably, you know, they're not going to
sit on empty land for that long. And so, how quickly do you think that the NAB Avenue then could turn over? Um, obviously with the bridge being out, you're going to need it sooner or later. We got another what, a year and a half, two years on the bridge. And if you're going, if they're going to build that,
these warehouses go up quick. So the hope and I don't know if they have someone already occupying or in mind to occupy those warehouses. So obviously this NAB Avenue would have to start today [laughter] or April 15th because obviously that's when the agreement is
going to be signed. And the other question I have is and correct me if I misunderstood this. So if everything goes as planned, second stage first now with the flip-flop closing on the 15th and this recourse bond will begin. The
first payment that we will receive from CRP to fulfill the pilot plus the payment for this bond is $86,000 to the city or $86,000 is just the pilot. >> That was just arbitrary number. >> No, he had the whole schedule.
>> Yeah, but he said that he said I'm just putting an arbitrary number out there. It depends on which one's >> okay because it's a percentage. Is that what it was? >> There's three different options. >> Okay. All right. So, I wasn't sure. >> It's hard to tell right now. He He even said it in his presentation. I am just putting arbitrary numbers.
>> Okay. So, all right. That's fine. >> He was pretty clear. >> All right. I know he was pretty clear, but there was a schedule. So, I thought he was basing it off a schedule. >> So, the schedule has three different things that it could be and it's a highest. It could be a property. I can't remember the three, so I'm not going to tell you because I can't remember. But,
there's three different things. whichever the highest is is what we get. So, we used 100,000 for argument sake to show that we would get 86,000 if it was 100. >> Well, excuse my because we couldn't see that and we don't have a backup. So, you know, >> well, it's a work, but yeah, he did um
he did say it though. He didn't just show it. He actually said it. >> Um Okay. And then the last thing is you proceed to closing, right? And things could happen in the next couple weeks. We all get that. And what happens if
even with the recourse with this bond, you're not able as as a county or as a city to get the funding for NAB Avenue. What will happen? I mean, again, if you need to look that up and figure because >> will the whole will the whole project go
null and void or or or will it be they will wait I know there was some dates that they meant like waiting two years or a year or something like that. So, >> they're doing phase one regardless of Nav Avenue. Phase two and three is contingent on Nav Avenue.
>> And that's why that just >> Okay, but I'm Let's be real here for a second. Will this city be able to how many square feet of warehousing? >> Almost two million. >> Okay. No, no, for phase one. >> Phase one seven.
>> This is the question you should be asking yourselves as a commission and as a city in general and as a county, will this will this area be able to handle the trucking that is involved with that much uh warehousing? >> Miss Davis, this is a question this is a
a question we ask ourselves every day when we walk in the door. Um sometimes when people approach the commission they they almost feel like they're coming up with these questions that we haven't thought about. I think we talk about NAV Avenue almost every day. Mr. >> Okay. All right. That's fine. So you so
you so that's something >> this is something we are actively pursuing very very aggressively um to find funding sources for NAB Avenue. >> Okay. because if you but I don't think you're quite listening to my concern as a resident
because >> Miss Davis, your time is up. Thank you for your comments. >> [clears throat] >> She was asking, my name's Laura Burns. She was asking, "Well, are they considering the traffic impact without NAV Avenue? Is that correct?" And she wanted to ask that question when she was
cut off. >> Of course, we are. We're always thinking about all the different variables. I Yeah, that was the easy answer. >> Okay. We're always thinking about variables. >> Okay. And while I'm up here, >> it's a very easy answer because it's something that we come in here and we think about all the time. We just didn't get an agenda four days ago and sit down
and start asking about traffic patterns. This is something for the past six well whenever we were elected. This is something that we've talked about uh constantly about NAB Avenue. It's something I come in here every day and I sit and vice mayor. we talk about I just talked about another funding source uh
that I don't really have the opportunity to talk about just yet that could add another million and a half to our funding source. This is something we're actively aggressively be uh [clears throat] going after uh getting NAB Avenue done. It's not something that is on the back
burner. It is something that's very important to us that we know that Milville cannot sustain the amount of traffic of trucks going through the center of Milville. I don't think you know the sharp street you know light has been knocked down one too many times um
from trucks and uh turning from 47 to 49 how many times have we seen accidents there so we can't have trucks going through the middle of town so this is something that is 100% uh a priority that we work on and I every time I speak to a an elected official from another town or from an
entity I NAB Avenue is probably one of the first things I speak about >> and one of our hardest things we're dealing with is none of these contracts are new. NAB Avenue isn't new. CRP isn't new. So, we're coming in after the fact of trying to help fix a problem that
wasn't fixed already. So, we are working every day to try to speed up and already behind the eightball thing that we were left. So, yes, we are working very diligently every single day to try to speed up as much time frame as we can. >> Mr. Cut, that's a tremendous point. we
are coming in uh with what we were handed as far as these projects, which the CRP project is a great project, but realizing that NAB Avenue is a project that's been 30 years in the making. Um, and we're trying to come in >> and we're we're trying to come in and uh
do something that for the past 30 years that no one's been able to accomplish. Um, we're hoping that uh we're on the right path and we think we are. Anybody else? All right, seeing no one else at the podium, I will close the public
comment portion of the meeting. Any comments from commissioners? We can just go ahead. Uh, Commissioner Reinella. >> Um, lots to discuss. um holding most of it for the meeting on Tuesday, but there's a lot of positive things going
on. Um I was pretty happy this morning and uh I think vice mayor and I could discuss that either if you want to discuss that now or Tuesday. That's up to him. But good things. >> I know it's so hard to hold back. But >> you you thought I was going to do it
[laughter] >> and I would have been upset with you. You were there with me. >> Save it for Tuesday. >> Save it for Tuesday. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah, I know it's hard. It's like Christmas morning. >> It is Christmas morning. >> Uh, thank you, Commissioner Rennell. Commissioner Taylor, any comments for today that you'd like to end with? I
>> I was encouraged when the lawyer said that CRP is probably one of the best clients they've ever had to deal with. I know they're very fair with us. Um, and I I I can't wait until they
start, you know, and and we get to see what they accomplish. >> Yes. >> And I just I think it's very good for the city. It's going to bring revenue and jobs to the city, which is uh you know, this is projects take a long time and delays happen, but they're they've
been, you know, Commissioner Kasaboon and I um sit in on those meetings every two weeks and uh they're very diligent in Commissioner Taylor on how they approach everything. It's not uh you know, nothing happens by accident with them. They're very very uh structured
and they know exactly what they're doing. I've had some exciting stuff this week, too, but I'm going to hold it for Tuesday. >> Good. >> I'm not going to pull that band-aid off today. >> All right. Awesome. >> I do like to wish everybody [clears throat] a a happy holiday coming up. Um, Commissioner
>> Well, it looks like we were just going in any >> We kind of were, but >> I'm trying to bring rain it back in here. Commissioner Cam, >> you did give us free rain there. >> I sort of did there in the beginning. I just thought we'd open it up, but now I'm going to Commissioner Reella looked at me like I was from the Wild Wild West there. So, I'm going to pull that back
in. Commissioner Casab, >> Mayor Dixon, >> would you like to have any final thoughts? >> I would just like to tell everyone have a blessed Easter. Um, if anyone is not is available tomorrow morning, um, Milville is doing a ministerial breakfast at the Hope Center,
>> a Good Friday breakfast. If anyone >> I think I'm coming there with you, >> are you coming there? >> I think I told you I was. >> All right. Well, I told him I thought maybe the mayor would be there. I will be there. Yes. So, it's a nice But have a blessed Easter. >> Sunrise service. >> Sunrise service. Yes. Also on on Easter.
>> I wasn't allowed to speak yet. See, so >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> I'm just [laughter] holding it. I was told not to speak yet. >> I'm sorry. Uh, Vice Mayor Cot. >> So, there is a uh Easter sunrise uh worship service at 6 o'clock at Corson
Park. Um 6 a.m. Uh so don't get confused and show up in the evening. >> Um but I do like to wish everybody happy holiday. I know a lot of people have off tomorrow. That's why we did move the work session till today. >> Um, so once again, I just want to wish
everybody >> good and uh I'm going to save all my new stuff for Tuesday. But I will I would like to commend uh Joe Couchy on his hard hard work with the C as we come closer and closer to uh closing on that very important deal with the city. I do
want to uh I appreciate his diligent work >> and did an excellent Yes, they >> Connor and Joe Couch work together hand in hand and uh they are on top of every aspect of this uh of this project. So,
I'm very happy with uh with him and with uh you know our attorney in the process >> and thank you to our department heads for doing a good job today. We appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. And with that, can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> Like to make a motion.
>> Second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Taylor. Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cot. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Kasaboon. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Reinelloo. >> Yes. >> Mayor Dixon. >> Yes. >> With that we are journed. >> You know what? I meant to tell you that