--------- okay thumbs up i'd like to call this work session meeting to order roll call please mayor romick here commissioner hwitt here commissioner suie here vice mayor watson here commissioner casabun here may we
please stand to salute the flag i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all this meeting is being conducted in
accordance with the open public meetings act of 1975 was advertised posted and made available to the public as required by statute the admissible clerk is directed to include a statement in the minutes of this meeting madam clerk are there any changes to the agenda no mayor
presentation seeing none public comment on agenda items only if anybody from the public like to comment on the agenda items work session please come to podium state your name seeing no one i will close public comment on agenda items only discussion of commissioners commissioner huitt go
ahead uh nothing at this time mayor thank you commissioner huitt commissioner suie yes so i had an idea this weekend i have a few items but this is the first one so concerns our police manpower situation i realize we're short-handed
um when it came to cdgb funding and uez funding i asked the chief how much you know we should put in there and the limiting factor was not the money but the limiting factor was the manpower so i reached
out to county sheriff and said "hey if we pay you with uee money can you cover things on certain things on weekends and and and nights if we need it?" he said he could so that that that we can use for uee
money it won't in fact uh impact the tax uh payers i want to know where you guys stand on this maybe we need a further discussion or whatever so i also asked the cfo if our budget was fully funded for the amount of police officers that we're supposed to have which it is and we all
know we have a shortage there so it's also possible to do that if we need to increase police on the street temporary this will be a temporary thing not a permanent thing but it covers a lot of ground at no increased talk uh cost to the taxpayers i don't know if you guys
are interested in it if you're not interested in it if you are i suggest that we meet whoever meets the chief and kirk and me or somebody else and uh discuss this sometime early next week so we can get this going because we'll have
to put in for that uee funding soon i can do it whenever you can all right so any day next week is good for me you just let me know okay we'll go by chief schedule and take it from there okay thank you i'm not done yet though no it
sounds good though sounds very good yeah so next i have a a quick question on the g delhi building are we anywhere near closing on that yet we another check we had to send out this month any indication what the problem is with closing are we ready to close or what
are we doing just pending uh last little bit of for the title what are we lacking uh confirmation from the title company who picked the title company us or them you know we did who did we pick same
company that work how long we've been waiting for that anyone do you no not i thought that i read something that it was done and they were about to send it out right uh msb was waiting for it that's right and msb is going to be handling the
closing as soon as they receive everything i hope we hurry up because it's we're i think i think it's going to be almost any day we're about uh you know $30,000 into this with the taxes that we ought to pay roughly 28 grand so hopefully get that done
soon let's see i had one other thing maybe i'll save it for later no that's it for now thank you thank you commissioner suie commissioner kasaboon nothing at this time thank you commissioner cosman vice mayor watson yeah this is a little bit late in the
game uh i received some information today that there was a previous bond awarded for the dewatering project um wayne from engineering uh basically was asking if he should do a presentation as it's been a little while for the dewatering project uh maybe get that on the agenda for april yeah that's well we
we got the $1 million for the clarifier and we came in way under bid so that's why we had enough money to do the dewaterering project yeah um we can i mean you explained it pretty well at the last meeting how it would save us money i mean he explained it before but we could do it again if you want it's totally up to you just to update
everybody what do you guys think if you do you want to do it it doesn't matter you know it's up to you guys there's a couple questions i have for wayne for it uh and i want to follow up with susan to see if there's um you know through that i bank if there's another way that we can use the other $2 million for the
um for the interest and principal forgiveness uh i don't know the options for that so soon as i clear up some things with them yeah go ahead for i was blanking on what the heck you guys were talking about it's always good to keep the public informed yeah i'll take a yeah go ahead for go for a presentation
sounds good i was i was so confused what you were just saying i was good you explained it last meeting it's been a little while i was like a lot on my mind anything else uh no i think that's it okay thank you
um if you guys didn't have any comments on the for the sdl licenses it's just for you know basically shifting from one side of the fifth floor to the other just for construction sub code officials um and code and more for that side less
for the zoning and code enforcement personnel but just to keep up with the sdl contracts so that's why it is needed other than that now i lots of lots of uh activities and such that i'll go to
further more detail in the regular session seeing no new business we have now reached the public comment portion of our meeting anyone who would like to address the commission please go to the podium state your name and address your concerns please submit your comments to
approximately 5 minutes seeing no takers i will close public comment portion any commissioners have any closing comments uh yeah um throw it out there for uh brian thank you very much for coming
tonight sure um on the agenda we have the one's for leavon yep one's for leavon and the other one's for glass town village apartments uh did any of the commissioners have any questions for brian why he's here or well i i did go
down and see him earlier so he answered my questions but a i was particularly concerned about the glass town apartments that's really not a new project i mean that i have the i went and got the permits and that was 2021 that they pulled permits start working
on that and uh as far as it creating the six criteria i don't think it meets all of them but certainly you know the two jobs it says it's going to create i'm sure there were two jobs there before maintaining stuff and certainly when there was offices there was more jobs than
two um i also talked to him about it category 4 c or c4 4c 4c for uh residential apartment complexes if we should even be considering giving tax abatements for them and i i don't think we should but we could change the code
so that we didn't even have to consider those again but that's something you guys may want to research and look into with with that thought uh as you know i talked with brian a little bit
uh bringing up the residential print now that opens up another situation say we get a new motel down along the run going into walmart if we open up this
uh facility to an abatement well that what are we doing in that situation that wouldn't be a hotel complex i mean it wouldn't be an apartment complex if somebody wanted to open a hotel i think we'd have to look at that differently yeah that that would fall under 4a commercial okay not 4c 4c is apartments
specifically good question though and you could put in the ordinance if you want to make it specific to the class that i would be that i would use do 4 a commercial 4b industrial that's it if you and you can leave 4 c out and
consider a residential use i don't see why that would be an issue yeah because in all reality what designates an apartment complex over five residences five or more uh yeah well look at what we got here in town okay uh that's
something i think that we as we move along through the agenda tonight maybe we need to table this to do some more research well what table which one cuz the part i would just vote i'm just going to vote no okay i mean you know because yeah that does open up a whole
new can of worms once you get over some of these boarding some of these boarding houses and stuff well then this is like if you know it's not even new construction so you know i know they fixed it but it's a rehab it's a rehab i i would wouldn't even want to do it for new construction for an apartment complex they're making enough money well
if it's not going to pass just well it's a rehab and it was also going to be for vets that went away then it became another situation now it's basically open to whoever can afford it well when somebody makes a bad decision we put shouldn't put it on the back of our taxpayers correct we'll deal with it
when we uh get to the agenda well that one we can have it drafted for whatever the next meeting or whatever if we want to consider it plenty of time to think about it were were there any other agreements that that dealt with this property that
like i was saying i i i haven't received any type of agreement i looked at the uh application for the zoning board i looked at the resolution okay we're going back about at least six years ago now when this all 21 it last
permit was approved i think yeah i have no i don't yeah i have it here if any of you guys want to look at it in between meetings either we just bring it forward and and we and look and we vote on it instead of kicking it to the burner here's the i don't you guys want to look
at the resolution and then far as far as i'm concerned i think we can just uh if you want to leave it on there we can just vote on it and take vote on it and yeah have it done yes or no whatever you want to vote in correct yeah get it over with
okay sounds good to me any resolutions no mayor all right motion for adjournment make a motion second Part: 2
I I thought what we said we were going to do and maybe you and I have a different recollection of what happened but I thought I was supposed to reach out to the Kate May County attorney and also to the drba both of whom have been waiting for weeks to get an answer from
us I that was my understanding and when I heard from you I went and looked at the minutes which are not memorialized and I don't see anything in there that indicates that I was not supposed to talk to the drba or to set up some further meeting here here's what I thought we reached at you would talk to
the drba and we would and myself and I think Mr Watson were supposed you were supposed to set up a meeting with a drba for us to talk to them I don't know how is that how you guys remember that's what I thought and that's why I kept saying we have to uh start putting some teeth into what we're doing and let them
know we're serious well we just had a meeting with them about a week or two before that well then I guess you sent an email that there was a conference call that no m the commission was in on correct my recollection was I was
supposed to speak to Mr Lindsay and also to the drba and both of whom as the commission well knew were waiting for an answer from us because among other things the drba wanted to know if we were going to accept or reject anou that
was after close we did not we did not give them an answer on that we did not give them an answer on that that's they needed they needed an answer on that and they needed to know what what we were going to do I thought we had told May to answer that theou no they wanted an answer that was well I know what they
wanted well they provided it that to us in December and uh did not get an answer from us uh and it was March and I had indicated to them that we had a meeting that we were going to have a closed session and we would address that issue
you know we used to tape the Clos session meetings I think we should start doing that again and then there won't be any ambiguity at all I'm under the same understanding as Brock and the mayor has already stated at the end of the close session it was decided that we were going to try to go back to drba and renegotiate therefore
weend correct the renegotiation me and you were going to meet with them there was no negotiation uh I had a discussion with them Mr cook didn't have authority to negotiate either this is something that would start a negotiation that would automat have to be approved now if
you Vice if you former vice mayor don't want to do this resolution you can vote no well I'm confus I'm confused on the meeting on the meaning of it that's that's what I'm getting you can vote no it's it's obviously an action to be taken by this board so you guys never
had that meeting no no no no but the first step was to resend the it was part of it I don't recall that do you we sending the ml was the first step I thought the first step was the meeting because we were going to try to schedule the next
week a as I understand this once more if we we don't adopt the resolution resending the notice of non-renewal this does not go back to their board and there isn't going to be a meeting so that's my sense of this that this would start a process
and there would be negotiations and then there would be meetings that would involve members of the commission and you kind of have to crawl before you can walk public comment on agenda items only we have now reached a public comment portion on agenda items if anybody from
the public would like to come please state your name address your concerns and please limit your comments to 5 minutes thank you good evening Patricia Clark k um I have a question it's just a on 173 the ordinance first reading
and it has to do with the utility easement agreement um and I just want to know if item number 10 is standard language in an agreement like this it says grantees um utility
facilities installed here under May without further consideration be relocated to conform to new or reestablished Highway limits so I just needed to know if that's standard language in a an
agreement or if there's a possibility that there's changes in highways planned for that area the Atlantic City Electric yeah that that is that easement is so that they can hook up electric to
the warehouse so that yeah I understood that so they got to move a poll and right so that's just standard language in that agreement well it's an easement so uh if the location of the easement is being changed then the easement would have to
reflect the legal description of where the utility easement would be that's what the purpose of that is okay thank you and then um item number 174 ordinance first reading on glass Town Village Apartments I totally disagree
that they should get um an abatement for taxes it is an apartment complex and uh it's been going on for years it's not new construction and I just can't see the citizens of this town
losing out on tax dollars that we desperately need um also the same with leavon management I don't know how many times I don't know if they've received an abatement before
and do they get more than one abatement if it's five years can they get another five years or another 5 years is it 5 years done want me to answer that go goad Brian answer yeah um no
they cannot unless they do further improvements that increases the value of the property okay so it's five years and done unless they they do something different okay and thanks do you know what the amount of the taxes on that
property would be if they weren't giv an ease an abatement uh leavon speak yeah Leone okay do you have this point yeah I got it uh let's see this is estimated using 2024 tax
rate me see what do we got here so total tax and this includes County and schools uh would be 184,185 I just want to make sure I'm reading that correctly when they had the emergency
water pipe Fiasco on Second Street um is the gas company going to reimburse the city without a lawsuit just going to happen they agree to that I was told
today that yes that they would we're doing this we have to have it repaired and then they are going to reimburse us okay because it is on their property and then I would like to thank the commission for considering
resending the resolution um for the non-renewal of Melville municipal airport this town can't afford that and I commend you for taking steps to get it out from under uh the taxpayers in
this town right now thank you uh Sherman Taylor Isabel a um I got to figure out which one of these Miss kier's already answered for me um resolution 172 the uh code chapter
52 for the uh disorderly conduct thing um when I was the Emergency Management coordinator a couple years prior to retirement we as a group The Police Department fire department OEM parks and buildings and all the Chiefs we walked
around to every city building and we did a security assessment of each building um I'm pretty sure this is because of the viral trend of them just being able to walk into into the building and going anywhere in the building have any of the
suggested security measures been put put into place uh to this date other than signage and the small door downstairs and the plastic yellow chain that's one question um
186 the software what what's the software for I think I I know and it's something that we I think we've been trying to work on for a couple years um it it's all the licensing that deals with the house all code
enforcement housing construction code official line of work it's software we've been trying to get for a couple years right no we've had this in the past oh okay all right um cargo trailers um what do we are we getting
them what do we need those for and are we getting new or used we we need those because the building we have won't contain everything that it needs to contain so we're putting the stuff in trailers that way we can park the trailers outside and they'll be ready to go in the morning
okay and there's no more permanent solution not at this time there's not it'll be much easier for the parks department if the stuff's on a trailer anyway they won't have to oh we're keeping the wheels on them yeah yeah oh oh okay grab grab and go oh you were think you were thinking uh I was
thinking like c boxes yes yes yes containers grab and go and get to work okay all right thank you Mary massacare of mville 174 the way I'm looking at this and interpreting it if you guys vote on this
and agree to give it to them I understand they have to fill out an application and they have to meet all the qualifications but this is going to lead into something as simple as what we've
already entered into where we now pay $60 a quarter for our trash removal that's going to open up to the rest of the apartment complexes in any area that appears to be in a section
that possibly needs to be revitalized so that it's more abatements or more uh tax revenues that comes into our
city this I'm sorry it looks like and reads like we're opening a can of worms and I don't think any of us can afford to do so and I thank you can I can I address
that Mir I think that's pretty important about why it's on the agenda uh I mean Brian can address why it's on the agenda we they I we just been did it we just did it for three people I know but there was discussions between the meetings and I know yeah it's actually not
eligible uh under our ordinance so I think that I don't even think we vote on it I think probably the proper procedural thing to do would be to remove it from the agenda right but I want to explain how it got on the agenda it got on the agenda because when an application is submitted and Brian gets
it put on the agenda for us to vote on it's not like any of us said hey this is a great idea I just want the public to understand that Port understood thank you Mr Cot uh Rick cot Ginger Avenue mville uh just a quick question
182 I see you're looking to increase it to uh 50% do we have a timeline when we think it's going to be done and that we are in March just curious I'm assuming you started off probably around 30% now you're going to
50% and what was the question I'm sorry uh when the budget will be done we're looking at like April end of April April all right thank you resolution thank you Mr cut seeing no one else I will close
public comment portion on the agenda items presentation seeing none bills make a motion to pay the bills second motion have motion to second to pay the bills roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner suie yes mayor
romnick yes petitions and letters see none reports of Commissioners commissioner hwit yes first I'd like to make a motion to receive and file the police report Department reports for the month of February 2025 second motion I have a motion
second for commissioner hu to file the police department reports for the month of February of this year roll call please commissioner huitt yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner cabon yes commissioner suie yes mayor romik yes
uh Fire Department police department everybody's uh working working away uh been busy uh I would like to ask the folks out there
we all know it's dry uh there is not at this time a red flag no burn ban uh but just a suggestion uh please get a hold of a forest fire
Warden burn permits cost you nothing burn permits Burns without burb permits that we get called for it's not just milville PD milville fire department goes state forest fire goes that free permit that
you don't get and call in and say you're burning your fire pit cost cost you $500 for that burn if we got to respond because it gets out of control just a suggestion to you folks uh once again I want to thank everybody in public safety
from the police department the Fire Department fire department is working with a new Chief the chief and the captains are moving forward there's been no slowing in the department moving forward with different thoughts and uh
for the better of the city and EMS thank you everybody that's all I'm here thank you commissioner hu commissioner suie yeah so we had our annual St Patty's Day coloring contest and we had over 150 entries and we want to congratulate the
winners eight years and under it was Emily Abrams 9 to 13 it was Dakota Blake 14 to 17 it was Holly Burns and 18 18 and older it was Dominic s SS best digital entry went to Lexi Morton so
congrat ulations to all the winners so the uh Parks and Recreation Office has officially moved to our new facility at 202 South Wade Boulevard if you need to visit the office for parks and wreck that's where it's at now upcoming events the eggtastic Easter celebration will
take place on Saturday April 12th at the Tim Channon Sports Complex located at two North Star Street behind Lakeside Middle School the event will take place at 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. and the Egg Hunt will be at 11:00 a.m. short there will be plenty of fun for
your children 12 years old and under so again 12 years old and under make sure you bring a bag or a basket to collect your eggs have any questions about any upcoming events please contact the office at 856 825 7000 extension
7394 that's all thank you commissioner sui I look forward to the upcoming wonderful events done by the parks I have them on my calendar some have conflicts but hope to make them to all commissioner KAS go ahead well I think they should have an egg hunt for us us
adults with chocolate inside of them I was going to say guy all right from streets and Roads we we'll begin collecting our loose leaves in April so keep in mind we will only make one pass through the city you can start putting them out between
the 15th and the 31st of this month brush collection will be in the month of May and residents May place the are brushed to the curb between April the 15th to April the 30th streets and roads are prepping for our road work SE
session which we've already repaired a sinkhole at third in Florence this month potholes are being filled as we're made aware of them we if we don't hear from you we won't know where to fix them thank you for those who call them in if they see one it's greatly
appreciated the new drive on lift that was installed is a huge access to asset to our Fleet garage and that's it for us thank you thank you commissioner caboom vice mayor Watson go ahead I would like to make a motion to receive and file the tax collector's
report for February 2025 second motion I have a motion second for vice mayor Watson's to receive and file the tax collector report of February 2025 roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner kasoon yes commissioner sui yes mayor romnick yes uh also if I may I would like to
make a motion to remove ordinance under the first reading item number four which is submitt from glast toown Village uh for the 5-year tax exemption uh I got to sit with Brock and Brian uh during our small break after the work session uh we went over the language one more time and it's been determined that they don't
meet the qualifications um can I make a motion you just did to remove so okay uh Brock do we remove it or do we vote I I think it can be removed and and then you won't even
address it okay so if we remove what I'm worried about is somebody coming back and pushing it again are we better off to remove it or do we just vote on it and take care of it yeah I think it should be removed because it's clearly ineligible under ordinance section
65-14 B which provides that residential dwellings and modable dwellings are not eligible for exemption or bait from taxation for the improvements conversion aeration or construction pursuant to this article which is the 5-year short-term tax abatement so it shouldn't
it shouldn't even be before the body no action means it's done yeah second motion I have a motion in sec in second wa yes well I was just thinking of one that that expired that was one of our larger apartment complexes that had had
a tax abatement for several years so would that be under at least like a Redevelopment yeah it's affordable housing development that was affordable ing is something under the Redevelopment law that would allow long-term tax payment this doesn't fall under 4C no this is a short-term
tax and the governing body when it enacted the ordinance chose not to make them eligible or residential for that matter is not eligible I have a motion and a second for the removal of ordinance and the
first reading item number four can I have a roll call please on the removal of ordinance number four commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner kpoon yes commissioner Sue yes mayor raminick yes furthermore uh we already touched
based on the dewatering project uh engineering has offered to make a presentation for us uh still got to do a little bit of uh digging to find out like the specifics uh meet with the CFO see if there's any options to help out funding wise uh from what I understand the there was a previously authorized
Bond ordinance passed by the commission um I believe it was in 2022 uh I believe the next Milestone is for us for approvals and authorization advertised uh but I'll follow up on that to get those specifics Towers have been installed and existing radio uh read meters are paying
however not programmed uh meter cycle number three uh is to be installed April 12 2025 uh I got a note here for Union Lake area that's for uh what for the Met reading that's it thank
you got a meeting with the water department uh tomorrow to discuss budgeting and ongoing well assessment and uh ongoing Redevelopment for the wells anxious to meet with Derek uh water utility is scheduled
deliver a 150g sodium hypoc chlorite tank at one of the wells the new Fe feed system will only B online after the njd permit modification is approved engineering is working with the developer on the tww ttwa application
for the phase four or phase three four seasons project and I think that's all I had highlighted one more pleasant Drive improvements site inspection by engineering uh is still ongoing to move
forward vital plans and details required for bidding uh resid have been reaching out requesting uh curbing in front of their homes however there is insufficient funds to curb the entire roadway curbing is being placed according to the drainage and safety concerns should there be any opportunity
residents concerns will be respectfully considered for the project and I believe that's all I have I know a lot of residents just because I know a lot of residents that live on Pleasant Drive they always complain about the speeding even as the road is in horrible shape right now but F in
case you didn't know that but can't say I'm one of the ones that shock test thank you vice mayor Watson for all those updates I know a lot of those residents want uh and is needed of Pleasant drive along with many other
roads within the city of Novo so thank you for those updates happed a survey will soon be forthcoming for the public concerns for the 5year 2025 to 2029 cdbg Consolidated plan this will soon be available on the city website and pro and paper copies
will be available at City Hall March 15th I attended the all sports museum of Southern New Jersey for the induction of Ricky balico afterwards I was able to go to lunch and sit with former Phillies GM Ed Wade it was a great experience to hear the stories and knowledge that Ed Wade
has gained over his life and over 40 years working in Major League Baseball thank you to Mr Dave hitchner and all the museum Sports staff and committee members for inviting me ordinances in the second
reading we have an ordinance to exceed the municipal budget appropriation limits and to establish a c bank in accordance with njsa 40 a colon 44514 for calendar year 2025 make motion second motion I have a motion and second
on ordinance in the second reading item number one there is a public hearing on this if anybody from the public would like to comment on this ordinance second reading item number one please come to the podium state your name address your concerns and limit them to five minutes
seeing no one I will close public hearing comments of Commissioners I don't see enough responsible spending for me to go along with this so that's all I'll say about that roll call please commissioner huitt
yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner sui no mayor romnick yes ordinance on the second reading amending chapter 50 Section 1 creation contained in Article 1 milville Police Department established in order to add
two additional lieutenants make motion second motion I have a motion and second on ordinance in the second reading item number two I would now open public hearing on this ordinance and item number two anybody from the public would like to come to the podium to address your
concerns seeing no one I will close public hearing comments of Commissioners yes uh we all sat in a closed session and this was discussed and I think everybody uh realizes why this is happening and how it is happening
uh and my vote will reflect that dra mayor sure I have a couple comments so as as we heard at the last when we discussed this last last meeting work session I think you meant close session I guess no we actually had a close session we had work session too as well
right so in in in the work session it was discussed about how we would be turning two positions into lieutenants positions uh and we wouldn't be replacing sergeants uh at first it was said that we weren't going to do that for a while then it was said that we were going to do it right away that's
that's the plan correct right away and we just had a conversation about you're not going to replace the sergeants um this is not going to help with feet on the street it's going to increase the cost of the taxpayers and if you had anywhere near a full complement of police officers I think
you would at least have a vow argument for doing it I understand there's a report from the prosecutor's office but that report goes way back to 2007 or whatever so obviously there was no hurry then and as I said if you had
a near full compliment then you would have people to supervise but if you don't have near a full compliment I don't see why you need more supervision with less officers uh additionally somebody's doing these duties now so I'm guessing it's a sergeant not an officer doing them yep so now we're going to pay
somebody more money to do the same thing um that just doesn't sit well with me why we aren't manned enough and I mean we did discuss during the work session way I get Manpower up temporarily till you can recruit but uh this makes no sense at
this time and and I can't support it because of that and additionally in the outside world I have had several people have conversations with me about this and nobody supported it not one person that I talked to supported it and I didn't invite them they came to me and they
talked to me your guys experience may be different but uh senseless to have a lot of Supervisors and less people on the street especially when your sergeants are the supervisors on the street correct right now they are supervisors
inside the department but they're also supervisors on the street when we have them on street and if you're not going to fill those sord positions I don't know why you're not eliminating them as you make the Lieutenant's positions uh the best thing I can say in in your thoughts uh
respectfully uh we haven't been ignoring it and kicking it down the road uh the last commission ignored it and kicked it down the road the last person that sat in his seat ignored it and kicked it down the road and at this point in time it's uh
pretty evident uh that we need to change our supervisory person uh Personnel lieutenants are the way to do it uh or the I mean I don't know what the list looks like are you actually changing the Personnel or the or you know in other words is a sergeant that's doing it now
going to be the one who gets promoted the lieutenant Chief would you like to have a Podium where they come from the up language for the lieutenants can you go to the podium
please thank you chief chief Ross Hoffman uh so the up to language for the lieutenants is just that it's up to um currently we have up to language for the sergeants so we don't have to do away with them because it's up to we don't have to fill them um
because it has the up two language so with the addition of these lieutenants they will assume the responsibilities of the patrol sergeants and allow for the patrol sergeants to go on the road they will be able to assist their officers and not be stuck doing administrative
duties uh this will not only red reduce the city's liability but it reduce the stress and call load on the officers working the shift so these sergeants can actually they go they'll handle the lighter calls while the guys go out there and can handle the ones that they
really need to if I may ask a question sure so you said the sergeant will go out and Patrol but you're losing two sergeants because you're not going to fill those spots right the so right now I'm a couple heavy because we don't have any proactive units so I don't have the officers the staff the proactive units
that way I have well I have one retirement so that spot's open for a sergeant and then the guy who gets promoted whoever one of the sergeants are that spot won't be filled so technically I'm doing away with two sergeants to do the one Lieutenant now but the up to will still be there and
here's my experience in government if there's an up to then sooner or later somebody will make it up to they won't say okay let's just leave it they'll say okay let's do it well ideally and that's that's how it goes right well so the up to that the number there up to six would
be for ideal number that would be the police department at its full Staffing and that would allow a lieutenant on every shift um and that would be the maximum supervision which would be the best coverage and and reduce our civil liability by a lot and if we were at full coverage if we had full coverage of
police office I would support this wholeheartedly but we don't yeah and and you're right and we are in the process of uh hiring but the problem is we cannot hire or or find new officers uh or send them to Academy until
August um and unfortunately although the contract that was just recently settled it's not quite enough for us to attract officers from other towns to come seek employment in our we're starting off we're starting off new right so okay well well that's where we're at
correct me if I'm wrong but the idea of having an additional Lieutenant uh gets the sergeant out of the police building and onto the street with the officers correct correct that and that's that's where they belong the sergeants belong on the
road watching their personnel right now over the last few years we've been uh inundated with a lot of administrative duties whether it be body cam reviews um and each one of those use of force reviews all these things they all have
second second they have a first and second review process so the sergeants Red Review all these things constantly so they're stuck in the station doing paperwork when they should be out so the creation of one will push them out so that's where that's where I get confused because you say the Sant are going to go
out in the street but if you're making two of them lieutenants and you're not replacing sergeants how do they go out on the street if they're not there well the police department is 24/7 therefore we have a an abundant of shifts that we have to cover having one more Lieutenant on a different shift alleviates the idea
of having a sergeant in house the sergeant could be out with the other officers so in other words there there could be so in another area such as detectives right so detectives has a lieutenant a sergeant and detectives so if we were to have opening and in the
sergeant spot there a lieutenant would just watch their personnel because that's the smallest number that we have so one Lieutenant would watch his for or five detectives well I'm still confused I'm still confused about the numbers I mean you know if you have 18us two it's still
16 it's hard to debate while we're here okay I do have U you know our organizational chart if you want to see see that that's available to anybody if they see that I've seen it but thank you I know you're very familiar and our labor attorney put it pretty close to there's also liabilities here that we
face and everything else each day and night uh and we're not putting two lieutenants on we're not moving two lieutenants up that's what you said last week up two are you moving two lieutenants up now or no one would be one and when did we add the other one
last year or the year before last year how many do we have in the academy right now we have three in the academy and what's the idea for this year's Academy packet this this year uh it looks like by August I will have at
least 15 slots packing 15 new officers are going to be hitting the street that need supervision 15 are going to go to the academy they're all going to make it they're not going to pass I I hope they all pass well in today's world I would say a police officer's position out on the road especially if you're inexperienced is probably going to be defensive correct having a leader out
there that knows what's going to and has experience in doing so those officers are going to need supervision I you know what I agree with that Mr Watson but my point is you already have that enough sants to do that because you're not you're going to have two less you already have enough to do that you should in theory if you're not going to fill those those sergeants
those sergeants are in the building right now you're going to make two sergeants lieutenants you're going to have two less sergeants one or one if you make one Lieutenant you're still going to have one less Sergeant to go out no matter how you slice it it's still minus one sergeant so that's the
part I'm having a little hard time understanding with because I get it yeah you need the supervision on the street no argument at all but now you have less sergeants to sent out on the street that's what I'm saying yeah and then to alleviate the sergeant that's in house we need a lieutenant in position so the sergeant could go out with the troops
the problem is one of those sergeants is going to be a lieutenant he's not going to be available to go out on the street he's a well I think what you what you're getting stuck on is all the sergeants work the street and that's not it so the sergeants are split into different divisions right so we have our Patrol Division that has a whole set of Sergeants there's eight of them they are
tied up just doing administrative Duty I'm going to pull a sergeant from another area most likely or I could rearrange them however it is but most likely from another division which will make a lieutenant to oversee them and they will alleviate that there's there'll be three lieutenants and then it'll be a
24-hour uh Lieutenant on Lieutenant supervision yeah okay I'm just not Computing on the math and I will vote according we're good we're good thanks Chief I will close public hearing on ordinance in the second reading item
number two any further comments of Commissioners roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner cabon yes commissioner sui no mayor raminick yes
okay ordinance on first reading approving and author authorizing an application to hold a coin drop for the milville Police Athletic leak on June 15 2025 and June 16 2025 at the intersections of buck shum Road and Cedarville Road move the ordinance on
first reading second I have a motion in second on ordinance in the first reading item number one any comments roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner kasoon yes commissioner yes mayor raminick
yes ordinance uh the second ordinance on first reading as amending milville code chapter 52 police regulations Article 4 disorderly conduct section 52-13 enumeration of actions constituting disorderly conduct to prohibit the use of videotaping or audio
taping equipment in certain city offices and workspaces designated as non-public forums or limited public forums make a motion second we have motion to second on ordinance in the first reading item number two any
comments uh yes Mr Taylor you are exactly correct with the people of that wanting to use and abuse of the First Amendment um I do not feel it's necessary to tell we can have a conversation in private of what your
steps have been previously taken and what steps we have enacted but I it's like sharing you know Secrets um that people don't need to know um this is the first step and that we just we looked at other cities and municipalities that
have already taken um this and uh this type of ordinance in into a memorial correct Brock uh that's right and in fact one of the problems is is that when this person was videotaping one of the clerks was actually uh taking a call
from someone that had a Vital Statistics question and was exchanging that person's personal confidential information and all the while this uh person is in the room with a video camera recording the whole thing and
videotaping it so you just can't have somebody doing that when we have confidential information and this will allow us to deal appropriately with that thank you Brock roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson
yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner sui yes mayor raminick yes we have an ordinance approving utility easement agreement with Atlantic City Electric Company pertaining to city-owned property designated as block 49 blot 4 move the ordinance on first
reading second it we have Motion in second on ordinance in the first reading item number three any comments roll call please commissioner huitt yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner suie yes mayor raminick yes
okay uh we removed ordinance on the first reading item number four so we'll just go over to number five ordinance to approve the application and agreement submitted by Leone RE Management Corp for 5-year exemption or baitman from taxation pursuant to article one of
chapter 65 of the municipal code for the project known as leavon meat slicing facility located at 650 Bogden Boulevard make a motion on ordinance on the first reading number five second motion a motion to second on ordinance on the first reading item number five any comments roll call please commissioner
hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner sui yes mayor ramnik yes resolutions please we have a resolution authorizing a First Amendment to Professional Services contract with Anderson and Kiger LLP for FAA Attorney
Services regarding the non-renewal of the drba lease in the amount of 15,000 with a new knot to exceed cost of 30,000 make motion on resolution M number one with that I do have certification availability of funds in the amount of $115,000 additional which would be a new
not to exceed of 30,000 signed by our CFO Susan Quinones second motion we have motion second on resolution item number one any comments I have a question yeah so uh maybe I'm a little dense this evening so if we're going to authorize this Professional Services contract for
the services regarding the non- Ral of the lease and then we're going to come back and do this other resolution is this necessary now because uh if I also if I understand it's probably a question for rock we won't actually be negotiating with the drba
until the end of the fiveyear period is that correct well in other words it' be another five years before we start negotiating with the drba I I think we're going to be Neo assuming that they accept I mean if the notice of uh recision uh is resolution is adopted
tonight and and is accepted by the drb I think we would start negotiating right away uh we have a deadline that we've received from the FAA for May 1st which is barely more than a month away uh so uh I don't don't think we can wait at all we need to get moving on that but I
would agree with your point I think that uh if that's the course that we take uh hopefully we're not going to be spending much more money on Anderson and ker I I don't know if they're going to have some role to play in the negotiations with the drba maybe they will maybe they won't but I don't think that we're going
to be spending or I hope they w we won't be spending much more money on them I think we should still have the contract in case we have to ask the question or follow up on anything that's discussed in negotiations yeah there's no problem having a contract we don't have to spend the money on it right I still yeah still have it just you know for those
forthcoming negotiations okay uh roll call please commissioner huitt yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner sui yes mayor romic [Applause]
yes resolution item number two is a resolution to increase 2025 temporary budget Appropriations make motion on resolution item number two second motion we have motion and second on resolution item number two any comments roll call please commissioner
hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner cabon yes Commission suie no mayor raminick yes resolution number three is a resolution authorizing the city to enter an emergency contract SLP purchase order
with Garrison Enterprise Inc for the repairs of South Jersey Gas Route 47 Remediation in amount not to exceed $20,000 make a make a motion for the resolution item number three certification of funds please
certification of funds I have from Susan corz certification of funds for $20,000 by Chief Financial Officer for the Emergency wood or main replacement repair on second second a motion we have a motion in second thank you
commissioner cos for that uh resolution item number three any comments roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner suie yes mayor raminick yes resolution item number four is an a
resolution authorizing the modification of the Department of parks and public properties work scheduled to 6:00 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. with half hour lunch beginning March 31st 2025 through October 31st 2025 move the resolution
second it we have a motion second resolution item number four any comments yeah this is just so they can get a head start in the morning when it's cooler yeah it's cool and before start things start getting used thank you roll call please commissioner hwit yeah vice mayor Watson
yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner sui yes mayor raminick yes resolution item number five is a resolution authorizing adjustments to the tax and utility records make motion second we have a motion and second on resolution item number five to
adjustments of the tax and utility records any comments roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner sui yes mayor romik yes resolution item number six is a resolution awarding a non-fair and open
contract to spatial data logic LLC for software Services an amount not to exceed $29,100 beginning April 1st 2025 and ending March 31st 2026 move the resolution item number six with that I do have certification of
availability of funds in the amount of $29,100 signed by your CFO Susan quinon is second motion we have a motion second on item number six any comments yes this is just used for the licensing of construction subcode officials zoning
and code enforcement mainly moving over to construction and subcode officials roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner casabon yes commissioner suie yes mayor romnick yes resolution item number seven is a
resolution resending resolution number 29422 which provided notice of non-renewal of the milville municipal airport ground lease make motion second motion we have motion second on resolution item number seven any comments just one I don't apparently
I don't grasp the concept here so I'm going to be abstaining um I'm not willing to vote on anything that I don't fully understand and I do not fully understand this and I freely admit that I I'm I'm a bit worried on this too I you know we we sat
we talked about this in the Clos session uh numerous times I don't want to get into a situation here where we lock Us in I know we have to move I I I know we have to move I made that pretty clear in our work session our in our Clos session this does not this from what
hold on BR this from what I have understood this a further just this will resend the municipality from the letter of non-renewal or send that letter but with that it will allow for us the
municipality to further engage in negotiations with the upcoming releasing of the with the drba that's what the my understanding from the drba and that's what yeah my understand is with Brock
that's exactly correct and it's not binding to answer your question we're not entering into a binding agreement correct what we're doing is we are removing when we said no we don't want
to renew and we sent them that notice we are now removing that to open the door to negotiations yes that's all it does it specifically is going to open up the door to negotiations and I I want to go on the record and state now I am available uh
most all the time I would like to be involved in any there's going to need to be an ordinance that would have to be adopted by this body body to renew that lease okay okay so so that's which is going to mean meetings right which is going to
mean discussions and I want just want to go on record now that I will make myself s available as long as I'm still standing straight up uh to be in these meetings because we have to have two of us at the minimum at these meetings at all times so so the part of the lease that says it automatically renews
doesn't really mean anything well the problem is it also says that if either party issues a notice of nonr renewal then the uh lease does not automatically renew renew so that's where we are I think what we're doing is signaling to the drba that yes we're interested in
having a discussion with you to renew the lease despite the fact that we issued a notice of non-renewal correct does that help you commissioner no that's okay roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner
casabon yes commissioner sui abstain mayor romnick yes new business we have a motion to authorize the deputy municipal clerk to advertise for bids for the following project purchase of cargo trailers make a motion second a
motion we have a motion in a second from the deputy municipal clerk herself to bid for cargo trailers any comments roll call please commissioner hwit yes vice mayor Watson yes commissioner kasoon yes commissioner
sui yes mayor romnick yes we have now reached the public comment portion of our meeting anyone who would like to address the commission please go to the podium state your name and address your concerns please limit your comments to approximately 5 minutes
thank you all right up once nobody wants to say hi I was there two weeks buy lottery tickets yeah any guesses for the Powerball Group by I'm just I'm joking see no
one going once going twice three times sold okay see no and I will close public comment portion of our meeting closing comments of Commissioners commissioner hu yeah uh good discussion tonight good working back and forth together I want to thank everybody for the uh decision
on the lieutenants it's important it's important to the city it's important to the to the new and upcoming commission uh with that progress thank you commissioner HT commissioner suie yes the only thing I wanted to touch on is something we touched on on the work session which was
the use of the sheriff's department and the use of U funds and uh so it's not the cost the taxpayer or anything to increase patrols they help us out out as it is and they are willing to talk to the sheriff today they're willing to help us out even more providing we're
willing to pay with the U funds much as we do our regular pece police officers and as we're short staff that should give them a little bit of a break too so that should help everybody and that would be a temporary solution till the uh police department gets fully staffed or at least staffed enough to take care
of everything and if I may go ahead I want to thank commissioner suie for bringing this forward for basically making it work you're welcome that's all I have thank you commissioner zoie commissioner
kasu I just have one thing that was in my mailbox this is National Women's history month and we'd like to recognize Donna styles for her work with the Hope Center was an article in the the
reminder and the work that she does thank you and yes for a very productive meeting thank you thank you commissioner C vice mayor Watson uh again I want to say real quick thank you to Joan and her team for putting this meeting together again working short-handed without a
municipal clerk great job great job I think that's all I have for closing comments thank you vice mayor yes I would like to thank each and every one of my Commissioners um for engaging in discussion during uh uh these meetings as you can see some of these meetings we
don't agree on everything um but to discuss that openly and be respectful I thank each every one of you very much um for that and even during the work session we had very good open dialogue um I joked with vice mayor Watson and I remember when we used to run through them in like 30 seconds or less um and
this is a way for us to engage in the public all five at once to discuss um what has Happening Here in our city of mville New Jersey so I just uh I truly do appreciate these types of meetings and I know they're not going to go all this way we do have personalities um but
I appreciate each and every one of you I would also like to thank my employer um being you know what's a full-time mayor or part-time mayor um for the city of mville and working through a lot of logistics a lot of phone calls um it
does interfere with my day job everybody knows what we make and it's Pennies on the dollar but my day job works well with what I do and I would just like to thank my owner Mr John Meyers of golf car Specialties LLC um we've had our
screaming matches through the phone but but we've worked together and he is a great employer so if anybody ever needs a golf cart or utility vehicle please go see golf cart Specialties but that is for Mr Meyers so if you are watching sir thank you Mr Mayor I forgot to thank somebody go ahead so we Mr cowy recently
renegotiated our Comcast ethernet contract and he managed to save us $115,000 over three years so thank you thank you thanks Joe can you negotiate mine now let's work on cable now let's work
man knows how to negotiate yes thank you Mr cachi uh I you know I saw that email come through and it's like great work it reminded me a couple years ago when we had uh those outrageous number of phone lines that weren't in use and we were still paying
for um that's what that reminded me of but uh all the little things so thank each and every one of you uh motion for adjournment make motion second all in favor I I who second that