final adoption uh means considering the budget hasn't even been introduced yet. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Bermoll. Seeing no one at the podium, I will close public comment portion on agenda items only.
Uh let's move on to discussions of commissioners on agenda items. Ordinance for the second reading, an ordinance to amend the salary ordinance. Yeah, this is a once again, it passed first reading. Uh these are making adjustments to certain positions that
were um uh either introducing or already have like purchasing agent um a new personnel director, police aid, and uh special law enforcement officers. So, this is second reading for that. Thank you, Mr. Cott.
Commissioner Cott, Vice Mayor Cott. Ordinances for first reading, an ordinance authorizing coin drop Millville girls softball on June 20th and 21st. This is a standard coin drop application that has to go through the readings for the uh girls softball team.
Millville girls softball, sorry. An ordinance authorizing revisions to sewer surcharge concentration limits, industrial wastewater surcharge calculations, and elimination of trading credits. Yeah, so um >> [clears throat] >> um this has no impact on residential
customers. Um what it's going to do is help keep sewer and drainage systems uh I'm sorry. What it's going to do is uh the wastewater treatment plant, we have uh limited capacity, so uh some of our businesses are discharging wastewater
that costs more to treat. Um the changes there are helped to protect, control costs, and support future growth. Um our updated wastewater limits, uh some of our existing limits are going to be lowered.
Um the goal here is to better protect the treatment system and track what enters it. That's really the end goal here. Um Trading credit limits are going to be a trading credits are going to be eliminated. Each business has to handle its own wastewater. There the credit
trading does not reduce pollution or meaningfully meaningfully benefit um our city. Uh if limits are exceeded, fees will apply to the total discharge. [snorts] Uh the overall surcharge cap will still remain 5% to 25%,
and this will help fix errors in the code and ensure fair cost recovery. All right, so can you break that down a little bit? >> Sure. So, I'll give you the [laughter] bottom line, okay? Uh it's going to protect treatment plant capacity. It's going to encourage cleaner discharges cuz that's a problem that we've really been having.
From from like a like a business? Yes. Yes. Uh grease, uh things that are being discharged that we can't really Okay. >> identify. Um so, it's going to encourage cleaner discharges. It's going to ensure fair cost um
fair cost sharing. And really what we're really looking at is long-term city growth. Is that the one if I remember right, we were spending a lot of time in certain businesses that were just arbitrarily dropping a lot of grease into our system? >> Correct. So, With no recourse, no nothing. Okay.
>> was going down there and spending hours uh even though a lot of these businesses have grease traps, of course. Um not sure exactly what the deal is there, but um I mean, we can get more specific um you know, at the meeting, but um
this is um What is credit trading? So, if you had multiple businesses, there was almost like an allotment of pollutants that were allowed to be released into the wastewater. So, if you had one company that may have had a a decrease, then another one had an
increase, but it balanced, it kept all the rates the same. Okay. It had So, it never penalized that company that business that was putting a lot into it. Okay. And the key the key item is Commissioner Renello stated, when we did the investigation of the original charges with the sewer
department, it was actually cheaper to pollute more than it was to pollute less. So, once you exceeded a certain amount of pounds, the rate went from 25 cents per pound to a dime. This is reversing it so that the more you the pollutants enter the system,
you'll be properly charged. >> once you're at the threshold, you might as well just let it fly open. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Renello. Resolutions, resolution certifying the list of volunteer firefighters who have qualified for the length of service
program benefits for the year 2025. This is the LOSAP program. It's for the volunteers that come in on a regular basis. They have to meet a certain percentage, right? To Yeah, there's a number There's a number of points that they have to get each year to
be able to get the LOSAP. Right. Right. >> through responding to fire calls, drills, meetings, and special events. Yeah. And we thank those volunteers that actually uh have reached that threshold.
That's a pretty good thing. Good. Thank you, Commissioner Chandler. Resolution authorizing tax and utility adjustments. This is a monthly thing of uh uh different water, sewer, uh taxes, and refunds, and
um overages, I believe. Resolution authorizing amendment number two to professional services contract Multitemp Mechanical. So, this is our HVAC maintenance and service contract. It uh went out to bid last year, and what this is doing is extending the contract for a year, honoring the same
numbers from 2025. No increases at all? No increases. >> All right. Thank you. Resolution authorizing amendment number one to professional services contract Univar Solutions USA LLC. Okay, this is a extension of the current
contract that we have. This chemicals are used to keep the water cleaner. It's a mandatory by the DEP of how you we clean our system. And it's also going to be picked up for the same cost as it was in 2025. No increase. Mhm.
Very good. Resolution amending resolution 13-2026, resolution authorizing additional emergency temporary appropriations pending final adoption of the calendar year 2026 budget. All right, this is a we're we're probably going to call up our CFO for
this. Um just to put things in context uh cuz I know there's a lot of people that a little bit confused. Um over the last few years, there's been a couple multiple resolutions. So, our last year's budget got settled I think around May. Um year before in 2024,
uh and last 2 years, it was around 70% of our budget that was approved for um or with this year, we're doing 60%. So, I know it seems weird that we're doing it. It's not it's been going on that for a couple years.
However, this CFO is hoping that um she is now re- programming, if you will. Uh doing a lot of work on the back end that we don't see, but I get to see, that she is going to streamline uh the budget and how it works, and how we can
move forward quicker, so we can try to meet those uh deadlines. Um I know the state law says a certain date, but that can be through resolution. It can be expanded. It's done the last 2 years. Uh we're still here. We're still operating. Um both the last 2 years were done in
May as well. We don't we can never give you exact date. We are hoping by May. Um we should have it done. May 5th is a little bit um too aggressive, but we're hoping by that the second meeting in May to have it done. Um we're very optimistic we should We're
we're a lot longer at this process. Um but yes, there's certain things that we have to do that legally we just have to pay and and keep moving. Um it's the nature of the business. I'm not saying it's good, it's bad, or different. Uh
welcome to government, but there's people that still have to get paid along the way. So, this just ensures we can pay the people that need to be paid. Um like I said, we're doing we're approving 60% as opposed to last 2 years, it was close to 70%. So, uh well, um let CFO go through it
and give us a little bit more uh information. Lower the mic. Um so, yeah, so like uh Commissioner Cott said, so the state this year actually changed the initial um temporary budget resolution. They raised
it from the historical 26.25% to 35%. So, I know there were some questions um during the reorg uh for the initial temporary budget, the state did increase the limit to do the initial load of 35.
That 35 is based off of the 25 budget. Um and then normal protocol is if the budget's not introduced before that funding in theory, you know, gets spent, then we are allowed to do another temporary appropriation to add more
funding, but again, it's based off of last year's budget numbers. So, the first uh 35 the first um resolution was 35%, but um there's an exception for debt. You can include 100% debt in your first
load. This uh additional funding is adding another 25% um across all the budgets again based off of last year's budget. It's just and then the wording that was
questioned earlier. There's different ways to word the title that's there's different templates the state put out. That's just one particular version that I've always used at my past municipality for the wording. It wasn't meant to be confusing or whatnot. That's just the
template that you know, there's like I said there's different towns words stuff different ways. That's just the way that I'm used to wording it. But it's normal last year. They actually did two temporary budget resolutions until the budget has passed.
Cuz that is just a normal protocol and we're look to you know introduce in May. But as far as the numbers um when you see the resolution the current fund is adding another 7.2
million the water's 883,000 sewer is 1.3 million and solid waste is 539,000. And when you see the resolution when it's published, I did an exhibit and you'll see the first temporary
resolution what's getting added and then the math across and you'll see it by each department. The state views the budget just by salary and wages and OE internally. We have you know a mass amount of sub accounts, but from the state level they just care about salary and wages and and OE and then debt and
miscellaneous stuff towards the bottom. Any other questions? I'm just looking through this all them look like they come out to be right about that 60% give or take. >> Yeah, they do. So comparing to last
year's adopted budget the current fund is about 62% funded. Now again that because the debt is front-loaded which is an allowable thing. Water is about 69 sewers is 70 and solid
waste is 60% as ratios to what's adopted. But those numbers aren't the exact percentages cuz again the debt changes every year. So what's the extended period of time in January to what? So this would get us so in theory 35% kind of gets you you know a quarter of
the year. This would get us another two two and a half months without having to do another temporary resolution to add funding. And just to clarify that there is no set time or anything, right? So Right. We're hoping to have our budget done before this
>> you know puts out regulations. They always extend the deadlines. Obviously they want all the municipalities to have their budget before you know mid-summer. But we haven't you know received any notification from state that we're not
complying or anything. Most municipalities are doing their budgets around this time. The AFS this year got extended so that you normally do February 10th. The state extended that to March 10th and you need a lot of those numbers to calculate the budget
especially that the AFS um gives the unaudited fund balance. So with other you know reporting that the state extended that also kind of extends the latter part. >> they have the date out for the temporary budget the state no later than March
31st. That's been extended? That has not. That's what they've recommended. Yeah. What has happened to us the last two years? Do you know when cuz we went past March 31st? >> Yeah, not yeah. >> the last two years. Yeah. Yeah, there hasn't been any fines. There hasn't been any I I do know from other
municipalities the state would eventually send a letter. It usually comes around like July August saying can you please finalize your budget for some towns that have difficulty getting it across the finish line. But we have not looked in the past. I have not find
anything in the past where we've been issued any you know non-compliance. I'm just trying to figure out why these are all broken up separately like a water utility that I don't think your mic's on. Wow. Thank you. >> [clears throat]
>> Oh, you mean why it's broken out in the resolution? So I it's broken out because each budget's separate. So you have your general budget or your current fund as we know So you're just I'm >> which is tax funded. You have your water utility here which is a separate set of books. You have your sewer which is a
separate set of books and now the Millville has a solid waste. So in theory there's four sets of books. So there's So I like I don't like to commingle. So in the resolution I broke it out by each section so it was clear what's general what's in each three utilities.
And then the exhibit that's included also has it broken out by each the four budgets. Well that looks a lot better because if you just put them all in one it look a taxpayer might think that It that >> all of that Exactly. Yeah.
But they are you know very different funds, but they follow the same process. It's the same temporary budgets are allowed for each the regular budget and the utilities. And this isn't like excessive budgeting like everybody still
is maintaining the budget and all that. >> and it's all based off of last year's numbers. >> Right. So it's it's last year's you know in theory 60% loaded until we come to the final numbers. Because even though we're not done our budget
everybody still wants to get paid as of January 1st. >> Correct. Yeah, we have payroll to still maintain. We have professional services that still need to be paid you know >> [clears throat] >> debt still needs to be paid pension all the you know statutory requirements. >> of that debt is state mandated, right?
We have to pay the debt. >> Yeah, it's debt the pension payment every year to the state is mandatory due April 1st. And that's a big chunk that was in last meeting's bill list to approve. Thank you. So there's a lot of front-loaded
activity that just washes out in the end. Yeah. Thank you, Trish. You're welcome. Thank you. Just my channel. Thank you, Trish. Make time for me. >> [laughter]
>> Resolution authorizing the preparation and submission of an I-Bank application for the acquisition of a Vactor truck and authorizing a professional services agreement with Triad. And then we sort of talked about this, but this would be and I don't want to steal Carol's thunder, but
if we can get this which is looking very optimistic and correct me uh administrator that this is a big deal. This is a half a million dollar thing that we might be able to get that the city needs and been wanting for a while and short on it. So
um kudos to you Commissioner Costabone and yourself and streets and roads for making this happen and and get this going. I know this has been talked about for a while before I even got in. Um so this could be a
really really positive thing. So thank Our current Vactor is 20 years old. I don't want to throw a date out cuz I know it's old. >> I'm going to give all of those ages. And a technically the city of this size we should have two of that. We only have one and sometimes it's got one little foot in the grave and one little foot
with a band-aid on it. So this is going to be a great asset for the city because this handles all our storm water maintenance. It's a needed it's a necessity. It we also use it for like hydraulic excavation. If the sewer department had an issue we
can get to it quicker than the backhoe could get. So it's a piece of equipment that we definitely have to have in this city of this size. And and if I understand right this was made perfectly clear to a short time frame they're hoping to possibly
to get this. I mean that's that's something we haven't been doing for a while and they're able to do that in a relatively short amount of time. So thank you for getting Triad on board. Just a quick question. Is Triad the only one who could apply for this I-Bank loan? No, they're not, but they have had
success with other municipalities and they actually brought it to us knowing that it was a need that we had. So in in in in knowing that and I think that's great. Um I also like um Mr. Broomhall had mentioned something and um
I know I had mentioned uh in the past unrelated to this with resolutions that have things lumped together. Um For example if Commissioner wasn't in favor of maybe hiring Triad, but they were in favor of applying for the I-Bank loan.
That would be separate. I also agree. Um It's less messy. You know somebody might be in favor of one thing or not the other. Um so I don't know how I feel about having them together. I like the idea. Of course we
want equipment and apply for a grant. Um just just something that I was looking at. Mr. Broomhall I appreciate the feedback and and understand where you're coming from. I the one thing that we are working toward is the transparency component. So
I wanted not just to show that we were looking to bring Triad in, but why. But I can make those changes. But I do appreciate the feedback. Yes. That's all I got there. And I believe we we could we are voting on Triad not the Vactor truck, right?
We're voting on Triad to pursue the Vactor truck, right? It's correct. So yeah. But, like you said, maybe not put vector truck 18 times in that thing and maybe at the end put it >> Yeah, just reverse the word. Yeah, just but the resolution is for Triad just to pursue it, not for the vector truck.
>> It is to bring Triad in to complete the iBank's portion of the grant and submit it on our behalf. Right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Thank you. All right. And I appreciate the trying to as I understand when you try to be as
tran- transparent as possible, sometimes we get wordy, um but transparency is always I always err on the side of transparency. So, thank you for trying to do that. We've now reached the public comment portion of our meeting. Anyone who would like to address the
commission, please go to the podium, state your name and address, and your concerns. Please limit your comments to approximately 5 minutes. Hi, Steve Soloff again. Um Commissioner Brunello, was there any
update on our previous conversation from last time we spoke? Steve, you're going to have to refresh my memory here. A previous uh Well, we can talk about it later then, I guess. Okay. >> [laughter] >> Same question to Commissioner Casaboon. She You're going to have to update me on
that. We'll talk about it after the meeting. Um and then for the like what Angela Broomhall was saying with the agendas, it seems like sometimes you guys have um automatic answers or clarifications that you're putting there or saying at the
meeting. Could that just be directly on the agenda? Steve, say that one more time, please. >> As in um you have uh agenda items and then it seems like it's very clear what you're going to clarify the agendas, like explain what they are.
>> a summary. Yeah, something like that. Something we could talk about. I don't know how anybody here feels about it. Somebody's approached me with that before saying, "Hey, this is all real confusing. Could there be a layman's [clears throat] agenda summary that explains these things?" And Yeah, and it seems like
you're already doing it. I made one of them a week ago and I I wasn't going to jump out ahead of my skis like I always do, but um I wouldn't >> I think a backup would be more just efficient so people could actually read what the attachments are. Yeah, somebody
that they can just read it and get in layman's terms what it really means. So, as far as the well, I'm going to wait till the commission think cuz we're going to back and forth on the agenda. >> Yeah, we're not supposed to do this. All right. Sure. Thank you. Thanks, Steve. Ms. Messick. Mary Messick here of
Millville. Once again, this goes directly to Commissioner Casaboon's department. Once again, Fourth and Oak, where the 300 block and Fourth Street come together in that
little intersection, there once again that dip is there again, and I've actually watched school buses where I've picked up my uh great-granddaughter at, the bus actually rocks to the point
where I actually thought it was going to tip over. Don't know if it's a sinkhole that's causing all the major melt problem there, but something's got to be done because I don't know how many times your department has done fixed that
section, and I know you're probably tired of hearing me calling, texting, and complaining about that same stupid section. Mary, I am never tired of hearing from you. Thank you. I will talk with Mr. Grassman. We'll get
Danny back there. Tell him of your concerns. Well, it's not just my concerns. I I mean I've been I've I've actually watched kids riding their bicycles who actually have flipped over their handlebars because of that dip. If you
don't see it right away before you get there, you got a problem. That and I kind of agree a summary because not everybody is as well-versed at knowing
exactly what they're looking at. I grant, there's a lot of things I do understand that the city does through work sessions, workshops, city commission meetings, and all, but then there's other things
I don't have the knowledge or the experience to dig up things like Angela does uh or several other people, including Tamara Davis.
A summary somewhere along the line would be very helpful, especially since we've been starting to get more people coming out to the city commission meetings, and a lot of people really don't have a clue of what's this, what's that.
That would be very, very beneficial, and I do thank the commission for coming up with something to try to get people that want to come in and do business so that they don't sit there and slip
something in under the rug to us without having direct, definitive answers. And I thank you sirs. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. Robert McQueen, Millville. Yes, like she picked on me, too, when I
had your seat for for this road Wayne. Wayne wanted to come see her personally, but Anyway, I'd like to thank you guys. You guys are doing a great job up here, I think. You're a young commission, and Mayor, you're the politest mayor. I've been watching you.
You're the politest mayor that I think we've had in a long time. And actually all of you really cuz no one has has attacked anybody physically, so. And with not physically, but you know, verbally, I should say. Um There's three of you two of you is from
the school board, and you probably don't remember because you weren't there. 2013 and 2014, we had a budget problem as well. And that budget problem was dealing with Bryce and and Bill Herman who was president, so we had
to extend out our budget to and went into almost July for the school board. So, it's not uncommon for that to happen. It only happened once when I was in that term, but it it's something that does happen. So, I wouldn't be too worried about if
people are worried about it cuz I'm sure you'll have it situated and ready to go. With your sewer plant, yeah, I can see that a lot of stuff going in there cuz when I had this even though I didn't have sewer plant cuz I was only allowed to have when I was up up there
streets and roads because Commissioner Suey had sewer plant, but I did go visit and Sal from sewer plant was showing me a lot of debris that would come in there from La Monica Fine Foods. So, and there was other debris coming in there. So, there's a lot of things in
that sewer plant that's old uh dating back to the '60s and been patched over the years. So, and the vector truck, you're right, we need to you need to and an updated one. And this way if one goes down, there's actually one there, so it it is something necessary. So, keep up the good work,
keep up being polite. And you have my niece in your karate class, uh Aris McQueen. Uh Craig McQueen. What's the first name? Um I call I it's Arisbeth Aris- I can't say Aris. >> Oh, Arisbeth. Arisbeth. Yeah, I can't pronounce it properly. Arisbeth. But, it's my brother you know, Craig McQueen.
So, thank you. >> She's a good kid. Yes. Thank you. Hi, Laura Burns. I just I've requested before and since you're talking about the summaries, it would be nice if it's included in the summary like the professional service
contracts, the amount if it's amendment, the amendment amount, the new not to exceed amount. That's helpful, it's transparent, and also include what services they're providing, not just the vendor. It would be helpful and it's
makes it easier so you don't have to go into the attachment and look everything up. And we used to do it that way, and it's transparency reasons, and it's clear what the contract is for and what the amount is being spent. Thank you. Thanks. Angeline Broomhall.
Um So, I have some some good and then some uh more requests. Um Thank you to the CFO for being here to explain uh some things that needed to be clarified,
and I think uh to give you guys credit, and I know some people complain it's 1:00 during the day, da da da da da, that's one of the things I love about it because you do have your professional staff available, and I don't want to see that change. Like I think that's
amazingly helpful um for us as well as for them, right? We don't want to have to have them here till 9:00 at night when we're complaining about I don't know dogs or whatever. So, I think that's great. Stick with that. Um and I'm really grateful that she's here to explain things.
Um Although I would, however, like to see the attachments to the agenda. We're we're making progress. I think you guys are making progress on trying to show us more about what's going to be on the agenda. Um >> [clears throat] >> and I understand things can change after the work session. That's what a work
session is. But for us to I don't think we're confused. That word got brought up several times tonight that we're confused. I'm not confused. I just don't have all the information in front of me. So, it's I ask questions because I don't know. Not that I'm confused. I
just don't see it here. I have nothing to base my um questions off of. Um the vector truck. I had no idea what that was or whatever and I still really don't. And when I first heard uh Mr.
Biderman say $5,500, I'm like, paying $5,500 for a a a grant? But then I heard the price of the truck and I was like, "Oh, how exciting. That's amazing." So, kudos that you're working on that and I'm super excited to get a half million
dollar truck. That's amazing. I can't wait for that to happen. Um the wording going back to the budget, the wording emergency. That's not random wording.
Um if we can't define emergency what the emergency is, um I'd like to see the wording change to what it actually is. Like, why are we at this point? And I know prior commissions have had
issues. I know with the last commission, they had a an error made of ratables of $12,000 or $12 million or $19 million ratable mistake. So, um you know, it was a a mistake and I I
understand uh you know, it wasn't great. But there were reasons, right? Um and by May, I believe it was finalized. It hasn't We're not getting even a date for it to be introduced.
So, I think >> I'd like them to take their time. Not to so they don't make a $19 million >> [laughter] >> mistake again. >> I agree. I I don't disagree. Um >> [laughter] >> I just don't the I I don't want it to be a habit, you
know? What we've done before is something that you guys don't normally use as an excuse. Um So, We strive to be better. Yeah. I mean, I remember a few years ago the budget coming out in December or the proposed budget in December for the Yeah, for the
next commission to come in. Um What year was that? Just so we can look that up. Four [snorts] eight years ago. So, not the commission before before the team Santiago commission came in. That um was proposed in December so that when the new commission came in, they
had numbers to work with. It wasn't proposed fully to the um public, but it was there was a budget written where there was a no tax increase. Uh So, and they followed through with that, I believe. >> just have to check the law cuz yeah, cuz
they have as long as they come out in December, but it might have four four to eight years ago. Yeah. They they just >> the law just recently changed. >> Right. And I'm not saying have it out in December at all. And it wasn't like they proposed it in December because there was a new commission coming through, but they did have numbers which might have even have been helpful for you for you
guys just to have a basis of where to start. You know, obviously you're going to change it and do it your own way. Just saying it can happen. Um It's not exactly clear on why the utility uh needs to have such a
emergency uh funds. Like, solid waste, that's basically a one year bill. You know, it's it's a contract. Um Uh I'm trying not I know I tend to repeat myself a lot when I'm up here, so I'm trying not to do that.
Uh work session, that's good. Okay. And then uh I just wanted to make a comment about the taxes cuz I'm really really scared and nervous about the tax increase. Um And I just want you guys to think about it as you're, you know, finalizing your
preparations and whatnot. Higher tax rates make our community less desirable. Businesses don't want to come to a municipality where it's $2
per 100 and $1.75 for the schools. And if there's a really high tax rate and they can go to the next town over like Vineland and pay $1.32, Vineland looks a lot better. Same with a home. If I'm going to buy a home in a
community where it's costing me an extra $5,000 to live in Millville versus Vineland every year and I could buy a better house in Vineland because I'm not spending that
money on the taxes. So, we're going Raising taxes isn't going to While I understand we need to on certain, you know, we need to buy and and fund the things we need, I think it's also very important that we
consider um the long-term effects of of a big tax rate. It doesn't look good. Like, when I look at Bridgeton, I'm like, "Mhm, that's hard." You know, that's really really rough and it makes it an
undesirable town for um people wanting a home or uh starting a business. It makes it less desirable than somebody with a with a lower rate. If I'm going to invest a million dollars here, I'm going to invest a million dollars there. I don't want to pay taxes that are double in the
next town over. So, um that's all. But I again, there's some I hope that I was nicer and I had some good things good feedback. I'm trying. You were great today. >> [laughter] >> It's been great to know that you're a new fan of mine. So, it's a new day.
He won't win. I almost put that on the wall. Now, I have a wall of fame in my office and you almost made it. You almost made it. Sherman's on it. >> [laughter] >> I'm still I'm still considering. Um Seeing no one at the podium, I will close the public comment portion of the
meeting. And now I can open up to comments of commissioners. Let's go with Commissioner Sherman Taylor. So, I just want to thank uh Trish and Roy. Um When it comes to finances,
I'm glad Rick's sitting Commissioner Cott sitting where he is and I'm sitting where I am because you don't you wouldn't want me in that seat. And when I have a question or any kind of finance thing, I go to him or I go to uh Trish and it
Trish will Sherman it down. Not dumb it down, but she'll Sherman it down for me. Um and it really helps me out a lot. Um Roy as well. He he'll talk me off a ledge every now and
then when I'm all excited about something and he'll be like, "Hold on. We got to do it this way first." And I'm like, "Okay, yep, you're right." And uh I just the professional staff that we have throughout the city, um great people. Always helpful. Doesn't
matter what department they're from. Um not only my guys and girls in my departments, but all across the city. And I'm just I'm thankful for all of them. And I'm thankful for the commission, too, cuz we help each other. I think that's important.
That's it. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Taylor. Let's go on down to Commissioner Renella. Yes. Um at the meeting on Tuesday, I'll have the monthly sewer report, some events and updates.
And uh I also want to thank all our staff. I know they're working really hard. I don't think anybody has been in any more meetings than Trish over here. Well, Mr. Biderman's been in a lot of meetings as well. Um so, uh and and our clerk has been pulling every
piece of paper and file uh probably going back to the last decade that I've been trying to hunt down. So, I'd like to thank her as well. She's pretty cool. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Renella. Commissioner Cott here. Okay, Mary, I will get with Mr. Grossman
and both he and I will go out there and look at it. And if we need to get anyone else involved just to see what's going on cuz I know every time you tell me that there's a problem, he sent someone out immediately. So, [snorts] I will go look. And I've been known to do that.
I I drive all over this town. Um I just want Trish, thank you. Every time you make explanations, I learn a little bit more about the budget. And thank you, Rick, for having that position >> [clears throat] [laughter] >> Amen on that. Amen is right. Exactly.
Um all of our city employees, I just can't say enough. Thank you. They are working hard. They're They're just phenomenal. Phenomenal. Every one of them and all their departments. So, thank you to those.
And you're right, Mr. Biderman. Always. >> [laughter] >> Anytime you have an issue or a problem, he's able to help. And it's a breath of fresh air. Thank you. And that's about it for me. Thank you, Commissioner Cott. >> Tuesday. Yep, see you Tuesday.
And Vice Mayor Cott. Uh yeah, a few things. The working session, right? Um this is definitely a work in progress as a working session. Um we are trying to make this an actual working session where
we don't always have all the answers because of this wonderful sunshine law. So, the working session we're trying to make it for that point. Um the reason we moved it to 1:00 is cuz we love our professional staff to be here. During the working session, this isn't as much
for you as it is for us. This is our chance to learn about everybody else's department. That's why we need professional staff. We can't all meet like this and discuss everything off this agenda. So, the working session is for us that you guys
get to watch and we appreciate you coming here because believe it or not, we take all your your suggestions and we work on them. Some we can't, some we can. Um one of you guys mentioned the summary. He went right back I'm sorry he
Mayor Dixon went right back and created a thing with the summary. Great idea. We love it. Um I'm not sure I showed that to you. You did. >> Did I? Um attachments so I I just got I know you guys are going to you can keep coming up every week and I appreciate it. Um the reason we don't do that is
this is a working session for us. Um Commissioner Renell, you do get the backup. So, Commissioner Renell does get the backup. So, we get the backups that we can review the night before for questions but we get them last minute.
These are ongoing issues that are each commissioner is working on. So, when we have pre what did you call them pre program things is because if I'm talking it's my department. So, I know it and I'm proud of the resolution that's
coming up. So, when my the person that falls under my department's up, I do have things that I want the other four to know about. So, if they sound pre programmed, they are to me cuz I'm just excited to say them because I haven't been able to tell them all in a group setting. Um
same thing with every commissioner. That's why when you see us talk individually, it's our department we're talking about. Um and we're we're excited about telling whatever is happening in our department. Um so we get the backups literally the
night before to look at. They're not ready for you guys yet cuz we don't know what we're doing yet. We're still asking questions. That's why we're here. Now, we may go back and after this meeting and talk to our administrator and say, "We're not ready for this."
Um we didn't have enough questions. We want more time. We want more of this. Um maybe we do backup backups later but right now we're trying to make this a working session for us that you guys get to be a part of and we appreciate it and we
really love it. Uh we do. We take a lot of your suggestions and have you noticed the working session looks different almost every time we come because we truly like your suggestions and I and I'm pretty sure you're going to start seeing summaries um because I think we all like that idea. Um and the pri- like
like different things uh I think it's a good idea. So, we are listening to you. >> be perfect. >> not be perfect cuz it's a working session. Um this is where we're learning what we want to do on Tuesday. Um
you're right. I do not You're what? This is how we've always done it. Drives me nuts. And I'm with you 100%. It drives me nuts cuz we always But I did want to give historical context because somebody says, "This never happens. This isn't
what we do. It's it's always you know it I'm shocked that you guys are doing this resolution even though for the last few years it's been done at a higher percentage than we're doing now." But you are correct. Talking to the CFO which you guys aren't
privileged to, she's almost rebuilding a system. She is literally rebuilding how she does things to make it better. So, next year we're not doing this again. She is com-
>> She is streamlining and she's she's consolidating. Um there's a lot of things that are just nerdy background stuff that I love that she's doing. So, I'm ex- not wait till next year. I I'm a I'm a Detroit fan sometimes so I
always say wait till next year cuz our teams aren't that good. Um but she is creating something that moving forward we can do things quicker more efficient. Why it says emergency, that might be a state mandated thing. I don't want to speak on that. Um it is
emergency to every employee that wants their paycheck. Um so, whether we may not think it's emergency, those working here think it's emergency. They love that bi-weekly pay. Um so I think that's where that comes from. But I I agree with you. I hate that cuz
we've always done it that way. Um so we will try to make it better as we go along and I I promise you that. Um And same thing with the the three utilities, they have a lot of expenditures that need to be paid and sometimes
but they're all in the they're all in the black. Like the utilities are doing good. So, when you see those things, they're just paying things that they're paying but it's a good it's a good thing that they're doing down there. So, whether it has to be that exact amount, I don't know. That's why I leave it up to the
professional and I love that our professionals show up when we need them. So, if we're talking about sewer and we need Sal because our administrator, he will be here. He has been here. Trish, I don't know how she does. I think the laptop is is attached to her. I've never
seen her without it. Um but yeah, that's why we did the 1:00. I know it it's not good. We're never going to appease everybody but I want you guys to hear from our professional staff. Um that's all I have for now. I know I rambled on a little bit
uh but I do appreciate it and I want to hit some of the things you guys said because they are important to us. It may not always seem it cuz you guys don't get to hear us talk afterwards or after but if you notice we do make changes and some of you guys probably can look back and say,
"That was my suggestion." And that's why we want these suggestions and we appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Mayor Cott. I don't have a whole lot of things to comment on as I'm going to have a lot of things I want to save for the meeting on Tuesday. However, I will briefly um
I'm going to say less when it comes to the planning board. Planning board meeting went for about almost 3 hours. So, Commissioner Cott Spoon was there. Um what took most of the time was the the What what the purpose of the planning one of the things the planning board was
determining was if our ordinance banning data centers was consistent with um the master plan. Uh the vote was 8 to 1 that it was consistent and that's why it got sent back to us on Wednesday. That's why there's a little delay. Um as
far as characterizing the planning board meeting publicly, I'd rather not get into uh you know, I don't know exactly what I'll say. There were people who were in attendance who were uh opposed to it being consistent with
the master plan and I think that was mainly due to they had personal interests in the uh in having a data center. I will say more to you off the record, you know, opinion-wise um on that one. Um but I was pleased to see
that the planning board voted 8 to 1 uh you know, our our planning attorney and our planner uh were both in agreement that uh the data center ban was consistent with our master plan and that was happy to see. Uh Millville is uh a trendsetter uh trendsetter a
a uh trailblazer when it comes to uh what we're doing here and on Tuesday I'm going to say a whole lot more about uh you know, the ban. There's been some things out there that we're making arbitrary and capricious um determinations on certain types of industries and that's hardly the thing.
I've compiled a in my educational backgrounds and research and I've compiled a uh a document that's 65 pages long that uh outlines the the problems with data centers. So, it's something that we've all been looking
into for 107 days I think it is now. It's not something that's capricious. It's not something that we just thought about yesterday. Something that we've been studying and researching and looking into for quite a while now. So, it's not something that it just now we woke up yesterday and
says, "Hey, people don't like data centers. You guys want to ban some data centers? You you want to ban some data centers?" It's not how it worked at all. We've done a lot of research. We've done a lot of you know, the one thing when it comes to um you know, you have to when you make
these decisions, one of the things you have to do is you have to see that there's scientific research that backs what you're saying. And uh this this study that I've compiled is 400 peer reviewed studies on data centers that um it's pretty concerning.
And um after putting this document together with 400 peer reviewed you know, uh you know, studies talking about data centers, it's even worse in my mind than I thought before I started. So, uh definitely not something that we just woke up yesterday and and started
thinking about. But um uh as far as that, that's all I want to say about that at the moment. And um I'll have a lot more uh on Tuesday and as far as what I've been up to, what our departments have been up to and uh as always I want to thank the commissioners. I know how much time you
spend um down at City Hall. I know how much time I'm there and Sherman, uh Mr. Taylor, Vice Mayor Cott, Commissioner Cott Spoon, Commissioner Renell, I just want to thank you all for your service to this city. Um
a lot of times it's a thankless job but I appreciate all of you and I know the city. uh I see the good things that are happening behind the scenes that we don't talk about just yet because they're not ready to be talked about just yet. But when a lot of these planes start landing,
it's going to be some really neat things happening in the city. And that's what we Mr. Bitterman saying land the plane, Mayor, land the plane. And with that, I will land the plane and can I get a motion to adjourn this meeting? I'd like to make a motion. Second. Can I get a roll call?
Commissioner Taylor? >> Yes. Vice Mayor Cott? Yes. Commissioner Cosgrove? Yes. Commissioner Renallo? Yes. Mayor Dixon? Yes. And with that, we are adjourned. Dan. [clears throat]