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in by guys hey Bill hey Bill of course typical Zoom I have it on my laptop and I log in oh you need to update this cuz it's not up to date oh my God so it's up but I'm s on my phone so we're good to go is is everybody here um
Bob's still not here okay that's fine maybe this thing will be updated by the time Bob gets here and I can get on that that picture looks fine yeah it's yeah I'm sure it is but I was I was going to use my phone to look at the you know all the stuff we got to
look at got it computer I I will I will bring it up so that you guys can view it as well um so uh yeah hopefully that'll won't make you be looking in three different places Charlie did you find anything out
about that trur Hills Lane thing oh yeah I'm sorry didn't I get back to you on it looks like Joanna's joining us tonight oh I I thought I sent you back that uh no um no uh permit
okay all right because it was weird like three people sent me emails over the weekend so this guy must be and one of them included that Facebook post that I did to you um so I don't know whether the guy's I don't know what he's doing I don't know what he's doing a night but
they're all like does this guy have permits we don't see any permits in the window and so were they was building department going to do anything did you ask ask them or yeah they they mentioned um uh the there's a guy in there that does
compliance and he was going to uh I think take a look at it okay yeah and I I let Curtis know about it as well okay good good yeah is Curtis I think I sent you an email I apologize if I didn't you know what I it was a really
busy afternoon you may have and I maybe didn't see it so and I just kind of put it out of my mind and I thought maybe we would just touch base tonight so got it it was just so weird how like maybe I can do my computer now one of one was like Tuesday one was Thursday
and one was like Saturday I was like wow that's really weird yeah yeah but you know what people if if if there's a pile of stuff out there or a dumpster people notice it yeah exactly yep Bob's here as
well Joanna are you here with us too hi there I am I'm actually just in the car but thought I'd dial in just to see if you had any questions for me about the one item on the agenda um outside of uh trying to squeeze it in
um I think I don't know if anyone else had questions at all and that was on which one uh that would be for uh hold on one sec here I'll share my screen so Joanna had some uh I think mostly old
um items to be taken care of here uh so there's basically three items okay and you'll see here that uh fiscal 16 taxes that needed to be cleaned up fiscal 21 as well and then uh fiscal
23 all right so just to make it official can you just say Charlie we started the meeting at 604 yeah that's fine when Bob joined okay hi Bob by the way hello our treasure Joanna has uh joined us for a moment too
excellent that's okay I'm in the car for a while so I don't have to be a moment so don't accelerate anything for me I can chime in when necessary no no no we we can go through this so I did everyone get a chance to take a look at this at some point today I looked at it a little while ago maybe like an hour
ago um and I think it's and Charlie I just I I do think that there was um there were some other ones too Charlie right that your team was working on yes uh the ones that uh Curtis uh had had
gone over after um I I sort of started it and then gave him over to Curtis after we'll be going over those I would just say in like a quick overview from my perspective is that um two different types of situations but
but in reality kind of the same thing we've noticed in our collection system that there are some um there are some uh uncollected taxes that didn't seem to make sense or some different balances that didn't seem to make too much sense the the the thing on
on that Charlie had shared the email I sent to him earlier today were really just kind of old Legacy things that were hanging out in the system and I think although I I can be you know I'm not I'm not quite sure of the process around this but I do believe that the you know
if if we deem them you if you deem them to be um abated then uh we can kind of make it so and then remove the the fees and the interest from the receivables end of the system as well um and then I
would say the other thing that that Charlie was just talking about that he and Curtis have been working on are some places that we identified some um some breaks in our assessment to collection process this past fiscal year for the
actual cycle and um and it largely stems from things that are converted uh you know whether it's a a two family property converting back into a a one um or or vice versa right and um yeah condos converting back to a two
family right exactly sorry yes condos converting back to a two family right but um or or vice versa right a two family converting into condos and and one of the things that I'm hopeful that we can do collectively as a shared team is kind of look at this process in such
a way that we get ahead of this knowing that you know there's some likelihood to to instances like these whe with future development happening in town so I'm here for questions if you've got them let me let me know okay so this seems pretty
straightforward though that the the 3032 Lothrop it was it was condos and it went back to being a two family but it was after July 1st based upon what you sent out right am I correct in
that yeah so that one is this one up here uh that's what I'm looking at yeah yeah so uh yeah basically 30 and 32 laop um they were split into
condos and basically this item right here would be um this is the before so this is what Joanna would have had on the books and this is what we said that it should look like and pretty simply
you'll see that c159 has uh in quarter 3 and four 4,158 so that's like the catchup where um the information will um catch up and and Bill for a full two family and what
happened was uh Curtis kind of wrote all this out here um there were sales that occurred after July 1st of the year uh and they got split when they or or got put back to uh uh a two family from two
condos so basically what we did is this here would be the building for the two family uh and then you'll see that we got rid of that and put the billing back for the condos um so in that case that one uh looks like
that okay so it so it should be assessed as two condos still two condos still because yeah the sale happened after the July 1st of the year and so it got split
I I should say it got moved back into a two family and it shouldn't have really been that that shouldn't have really happened okay so it didn't it didn't sell his condos is that uh they they actually sold his condos and I believe that um it it's kind of interesting
because uh in one situation the person uh and you could see kind of what's Happening up here but um it it seems like the people probably that bought the condos may have also lived in the two family prior and then the person that
bought the two family knew the people and uh when they bought the two family they converted it back into condos with um small selling prices okay so it's it's kind of just like a paper transaction so everybody
owns their own piece of property uh yes yeah okay all right okay so one of the reasons why we had a conversation about it is because the end result did change the overall assessment
um so so I think that's why it's coming to you right obviously because um you'll see you'll see on Charlie's spreadsheet here that like it it it decreased the assessment by a couple hundred dollar in this instance yeah yeah and you see
right down here the difference so there's $ 66666 less taxes and then over here for the CPA there's $123 cents less than taxes okay so we we just need to Abate the taxes that were established for the
property as a two family dwelling y okay do you want to cover all these at once guys or do you want to do both and I just want to explain um the if you don't mind me hopping in just the quick piece of um the the the way that this translates to us and the reason why we
kind of raised our hand to the office across the hall with Charlie and his friends is because what ends up happening was when we received the information in our system we sent out a bill for that two family versus a bill for those two condos right so we have
not build this this amount to be collected yet so we want to do that as soon as possible obviously so um that's why we're kind of elevating this at this at this point in time you haven't sent out a bill for the condos Janna right
yes yeah we gotta do right where Charlie's Got His Mouse right now we gotta put that we gotta we got to send out bills for those two Parcels because they didn't receive any because there was to us I think we lost you there for a second Joanna but you said you didn't
receive any but we kind of um we we yeah so we did not build out those two Parcels because there was no amount due at that moment okay what the information we received showed an amount due on the two
family okay and if it's okay with the board what I can do is just fill out a um form and just stamp it with the assessors if if you guys are in agreement yeah so anybody have any any questions
about this one um I sorry I found a little bit confusing but essentially uh it it was a two family and then it converted into two condos and now it's going back to a two family it was actually uh two
condos um and it got converted to a two back to a two family Bob so you can see right here this is the um c159 and this is the building for the two family and you can see the condos are ending right here but really what's
supposed to happen is the condo should have been built all the way through the year uh and it was really just because the sale occurred just after the uh July 1st date um but they got converted back to uh a two
family so it was a mistake on our end that cause yeah yeah so so this one here uh is the before in in which case you'll see that the two families being built 83639 and just whatever was left of the
condos is being built here uh and then uh down here there's no billing for a two family and uh we we fix this to build the two um condos again and then next year it'll get turned back into a two family again um
for this fiscal year right that that we're in right now make sense I think so yeah but we have we still have two separate owners is that's the so yeah here there'd be two separate
owners uh these two folks right here they would have been owners here as well uh on quarter 1 2025 but then a new owner popped in up top here and that really shouldn't have happened until this fiscal
year I think to answer your question though in terms of like people they are not two different people um because one person bought the two condos and then made it a two family does that make sense okay yeah all right so it sounded
initially like it was sold as condos to people that they knew and it was still condos but it's really the same person bought both condos and no longer no longer desires it to be condos and next year we'll go
back to being the two family okay correct a little confusing the way it was written up because I was kind of a little confused like Bob was that's why I was asking those questions so got it okay so I guess what we're voting on to to Abate the two family assessment
currently and make it just be assessed as two condos yeah so this would be current and this would be the the new down here yep okay all right so I'll make a motion to
Abate the assessment of the two family dwelling to the two two unit condominium dwelling which subsequently for next year will be back to a two family dwelling correct
second all in favor I I all right let's go okay and then next one um same type of thing seven Tucker two separate Condominiums reverted back into a two family however Tucker should have
continued to be taxed as two separate Condos for all of FY 2025 again because the sale occurred after afterwards um and if we move down here this this is really the kind of the
the meat of it right here and it looks the same kind of as the other one does you'll see that this is the um two family right here these are the two condos and you can see that they stopped but the two condos really should have
continued uh all the way through the fiscal year okay and is this the same situation where the same person bought both units and yeah well same person yeah B bought the two family yeah yeah once that so instead of being two condos they want to
make it a two family exactly it back okay yeah and you'll see here converted to two family on August 27th 2024 so again it got accidentally converted back to a two family when it should should
have been this year and not last fiscal year okay all right so the same thing okay so motion to revert the abat to make an abatement for seven Tucker from two condos back to a two family with the
same scenario as Lothrop to make it back to a two family for the next fiscal task year fiscal tax year I second all in favor I
I okay was there one more oh no actually there's only two there's only two okay so that's that's that okay um so uh Joanna might want to just look at one more if if that's okay
with with you all um this is one that she sent this morning and there's three here was it on the agenda uh it wasn't it's it's so this is a different
level of urgency in my opinion to the the ones you just did because those were not yet build right so we want to collect those amounts these right here are just hanging receivables in the system that I don't think we're ever going to collect on so I'd love you guys to take a peek at these and and give you know your opinion as to whether they're
they're you know they should be abated or if they should be hanging out there I just I'm I'm a little stuck on these I think in my message to Charlie I said I I I don't have any recourse here because the parcels don't exist any longer um but but there's no urgency on this one
so we can kick this to another time if you want I I would just suggest since it wasn't on the agenda let's just bump it to the next meeting sure that works yep thank you for your time thinking about the other on so I appreciate it thanks Joanna so um I think the
first item in that case which will now be the second is the uh home roll Charlie why don't we do the the easy ones why don't we do the the other ones the senior and the veteran and the defer that's fine Cas you want to discuss this one a little bit not a
problem so the first one oh uh one item for these uh and I don't know whether we want to do an executive session um but uh these ones do show people's um salary um elderly
folks so what I could do is I could just stop um uh the recording but we could still continue with the meeting for these the next three yes yeah okay all right so I guess we have a motion to go into executive session to
discuss the tax deferral the and the two uh veteran exemption and a senior uh a CPA exemption second all in favor I I so let's just stop the recording so
I'm gon to hit pause on the recording are you seeing my screen right now I see an email message from assessors copier okay it's it's not telling me that it's stopping recording um screen
sharing so let me let me do this you're seeing uh this I see it still shows recording up at least I see the red says recording um on the upper yeah up on the top yeah let me just see
if I uh it's in a different spot here I guess so this is just my screen sharing that was showing here okay here we go and see there you go now cing all right so I don't know if did you guys
know I I didn't know till I got the article uh the warrant in in the mail that this was something that the select board had voted on and I just thought that we should probably discuss it or at least vote on it that in case someone asks at town
meeting you know are the board of assessors in favor of this um there's no amount decided upon I guess that's going to be up to the select board to decide
that um yeah I I think there's a um a a an amount that the state allows um up to 100% match by Milton and I think the state is like 2900 or something like that but I guess the issue I I not an
issue I had with but was because this isn't going to be reimbursed by the state like the state senior exemption of $500 this is likely going to be spread out
over all the taxpayers in Milton exactly yeah so I think there is an estimate in here of how many people yeah there is yeah and pardon me for kind of flipping through quick here just under like half
a million dollars I think right so you can see in here that um uh let's see what we got uh tax across Milton about 259,000 uh W with an average
amounts which would be about $30 a tax bill but that's in addition if it was those but it could be more because you could get more people you know that are eligible and apply for it and then the other thing was also because we have
this $9 million tax override on the table that's going to play into this as well so I just thought we just just should discuss it at least have you know a vote that we're okay with you know this type of thing even though there's already the tax deferral like we just
voted on and there's already a $500 exemption um I'm I'm just assuming this will come up at town meeting yeah and I do believe that they started working on this last year when they did know that the uh override was coming in order to
give the seniors um you know the ability to kind of get their taxes lowered yeah did did nobody reached out from the select board or from uh Town Administrator to see like
if we had any input on this I I can't say there's a lot of inter office communication um so even for this you know uh I I did get on One telephone call I think that's what I might have mentioned it to you
Bill was uh when we got on a telephone call with a gentleman from up uh like in the reading area I didn't know about it till I got the warrant and that's when I I sent you that email and we talked on the phone yeah about it um I knew nothing about it
till the warrant came in the mail couple weeks ago okay yeah Charlie can you explain this just this slide average assest value a million dollars average tax bill 10,420 how do we get to 259,000
what um I think I think that's the tax shift across Milton because if you see here um there's a uh 2590 is the maximum credit from the state um per per per person per per
homeowner uh per person yeah and uh we're assuming 100 of these uh yeah and so they're estimating I believe a 100 uh I don't know if that's right in this area here and then dividing that by all the taxpayers of Milton results in an
increase of $30 on average per tax per resident or per home okay okay so of the slide that was the thing is the other slide said there was you know it could be anywhere from 200 to 400 people filing not 100 people they
they said they anticipate versus the the amount of people that apply for the uh circuit breaker in Milton is 415 so they're anticipating the use in this tax credit anticipating use in Milton credit program there would be somewhere in the range of 140 to 200
people filing for this one right now why don't all wait the 415 who they they're applying with the they apply with the state for that right yes and and and what what do they get by doing that what are they getting from
the state it's $1,129 tax credit per person in the circuit breaker okay so the so 4115 fers of Milton are getting a state credit on average of 1,129 and then if they do the extra and
apply with Milton also they can get more yeah and I I think there was a reference somewhere that um one of the towns that uh you know had more people doing the um the initial
filing not as many were filing for this locally um and you know despite uh Outreach so they thought they would do a little bit more for the Outreach I mean theoretically the 415 who applied with the state should just do Milton too is
there any disadvantage to them to doing it I'm just trying to understand do they not know about it that that would probably be the only thing would be the Outreach okay well well they're not eligible yeah they they did say Bob somewhere in the comments in the warrant
that they didn't know why everybody wasn't applied but it seemed like everybody in other towns everybody had not okay but I think the thing is everybody could yeah I mean just how come how come everyone knows about the state program
and not the Milton program program's been around for a while and so they're probably and and they're also seeking probably a professional to do their taxes and person's probably telling them what to do and when you pay your your property
taxes there probably less but you know uh bill and I will be doing something to the uh senior center in a couple of weeks um uh you know and we'll be able to talk about this at the time so now I'm curious so if this
passes I'm assuming that people will still be able to seniors will still be able to apply for the one that's sponsored by the state which is is that the $500 one Charlie I think we talked about 70 years old
and but the average was like1 yeah the 41b right yeah yeah so um I believe so right now the way things work there and this is kind of the the form that we have but um this is just the one that has everything on it um but the 41d
is is a $500 elderly exemption so uh we will have to talk I I literally got this PowerPoint today uh I asked for it last week I was hoping to give it to you over the long weekend but uh got it this morning um so uh you know we'll have to
talk to them about whether or not they can apply both for the 41d and for this as well and then I guess the other question would be then the whole tax defur is all rolled into this as well
um but I guess if you're doing the tax deferral you're not doing this because that's you're just deferring the whole taxes but right although people um can apply for a 41d to take $500 off of the amount they're
deferring um so they might be able to do it here I'm writing these questions down by the way so um I can ask Nick Connor about it tomorrow yeah so the ma so what the Max on this we think would be
how much again I think it's this amount right here the 2590 okay and then if they also do the other one the 41b add $500 to that yeah okay all right and that would be and that would be the max that would be all they could apply
for right yeah see I think it's because I think our our the way our guidelines were or the way our rules were the the our levels were too low the whole reason we did that deferral if you guys remember the the income levels were too low and and all that uh that's why we
when we raised that whatever that was four five years ago three years ago four years ago whatever um so all right so I justess I just thought we should all be on board with this if we're if we're okay with it and someone asked the town meeting are we all in agreement that
this is the board you know was in favor of this yeah the only question that I I mean I think it's great uh it's it's a good to give the seniors some relief but what's the implication in the uh the board of Assessors office and this like
how many is going to have another 200 applications come in um I think the first year it's going to be a a good bit of work for for the staff we we did have a a a phone call with an assessor as I mentioned it's
Victor sanello um I think he has like like two towns that he works in um and he he said that it wasn't that difficult to keep up on it because typically you are going to still check with people at least the new
folks uh on how much they make Etc um but there will be some work to it definitely Charlie is there a form already sort of a template that the state may have or something because we're going to need a a different form or some sort of a
form yeah I I haven't seen a form yet but um I I've gone to towns where I've seen sample forums yeah but but they haven't been the same ones so that's that's a question for Nick as well I guess yeah
um and then I guess the other the last thing I had on it was the whole proportionally over all the residents this coming being spread out what's what's the potential blowback on that from everybody I know I know their
estimate it's only $30 but it but but this this estimate is based on 100 eligible applications but over 400 applied with the state so where where did the 100 eligible come from who who who put this this did the warrant
committee put this together um I believe that uh the two Nicks uh put this together actually um there was a comment in here that said um
uh it it follows the pretty much the same format as as the tax deferral thing for income and all that right re established I I think there was a comment in here that even though people you know signed up for the uh circuit
breaker that they didn't necessarily um that same percentage did not uh uh go for the other the article does say that there there was a part of it that said that should a fund be set up should be something be
allocated you know to cover the cost of these exemptions or should it just be proportionally put out to the rest of the taxpayers uh I think the final version of the article was to be spread it out evenly
over all the taxpayers that's what it sounds like this was saying here too this here was used for the um for the select board presentation and who who proposed this the two Knicks yeah um I I I remember
Nick Milano mentioning this like a year ago um that that it start working on something and then Nick Connors came on and I think he kind of inherited the job um and yeah
um they made that presentation I think the presentation was uh August 27th I really wish they had come and talked to the board yeah and you and you might want to bring that up to Nick as well this is probably something that should have come by the
board before you know yeah yeah I I'm just wondering where all these statistics and assumptions came from I think it's all from the state it's all from the other towns there's a list of towns that do it so I'm sure list of towns right here and I I
think it was uh Wakefield and reading um is where that Victor Santio was from and and they have it uh running right now well there there are a lot of towns in Massachusetts and this is a very small sample of all the universe of
towns right yeah there 351 cities and towns so uh and just in FYI there was there's another thing that um uh Nick C asked um uh was they wanted
to put together a um kind of like a front end where you could say what are my taxes going to be with with the override um and Allan Bishop was the one that was asked to put that spreadsheet
put that kind of front end together um but I went up and talked to Nick Connor and I said you know there's a lot to this what you know using the fiscal year 25 information and costs from Amy and all
that kind of information he didn't actually even seem to have an A complete knowledge of how he wanted to do it so I think there was going to be some more discussion on it and I just sent them my notes as to what
I would consider um you know you want to make sure that you're doing it on kind of an even situation where you know if it is 25 versus 26 when it's going to kick in um you know understand the
differences so um you are we looking for a motion to no I don't I wasn't looking for that I just wanted to make sure that we were kind of all knew about it and you know we're all sort of in agreement that you know that we're in favor of this in case
someone asks a town meeting I mean I guess can vote just say but my concern is it just we're we're just I are we buying into these assumptions are we comfortable that we're not you know what if the um average tax fill increase is
not 30 if it's it's 150 I I guess it can't be but I'm just kind of saying um it it yeah $30 for household is fine but as we said how much is the $9.5 million override going to raise
each uh Property Tax Bill if that happens right exactly and that's why that's why I wanted to to go over this because I think it's going to be if that passes that's that's going to be huge you know I mean I again I wish we had known
about this before so we could have kind of maybe worked with them to to to do it but um do do we do we want to go to them and ask them to maybe pull it off the table right now as you know ask the select board to
maybe rethink this for maybe kick it down the road till the regular town meeting so this puts a lot of power into the select board annually they determine the percentage Yeah that that's why I said I wish that we had known it was going to
be a flat ,000 or $1,500 you know and now like so the the match that the select board determines essentially says well how
much of the um eligible senior participants how much of a break they get on their taxes and how much of that gets spread over all other taxpayers and the percent match it's it's not like it's between zero and 100 it could be
zero to a million perc match right I mean There Are No Boundaries here they could say we're going to do a 400% match of what the state does or is it limited to 100 I believe it's limited to 100 okay want to make sure of that yeah it's
it's 50 to 100 match 50% to 100% match okay but again where so where's the the 41b the state re urses the town for that $500 that amount of money this here isn't going to be reimbursed it's going to be again spread over by everybody
else unless they decide to establish some sort of fund to cover that expense which they and who who Tom so my next point was fiscally right now I don't think we're in that position
to do that if we're looking at A9 half million dollar override I don't I don't care if we say we're we're against this that's fine I just thought we should talk about it because I think I think it will come up at Town meaning and you know how things are well how do how does the board of assessors think about what do they think about
this and I have no problem one of us going up there myself going up and saying you know we we talked about it and you know we're actually there's not enough information you know we're sort of opposed to it you know but we but we weren't brought into the discussions of it in the first
place so if we want to say we're against it that's fine I don't care I mean in a way to be honest with you I'm kind of a little bit against it because I I think there's too many unknowns yeah I don't I don't like um yes the the open-endedness of this
and we have I guess as we say we keep hearing about a nine and a half million override and are you so the two Knicks came up with this is that what you're saying Bill no Charlie said that yeah that uh as far as I know it was the two Knicks
came up with it on their own there was no input from the select board or anything like that they just sort of I think this was a presentation to the select board here um I don't know if they got any um you know
any initial feedback from the select board I can't say that they uh really um included me on this either so well I it was a selectboard that's petitioning the selectboard put this in the um in the
warrant I mean they so they support it s to me like it wasn't their idea it sounds like it was the two Nicks idea yeah they had to buy off had the whole idea but isn't it I think it's it's a fairly new program that's kind
of that the state is offering and it seems like yeah and it seems like it might have come about as a result of the override um to give people I I think in a couple places it says people that you know can live in place
um you know without getting their taxes increased to a point they can't pay them right which which is fine we're always trying to help you know the seniors you know stay in the home and all that stuff but back to Bob's point I
think there's there's a lot of unknowns in this you know again we don't know what the amount is we don't know how many people are eligible or will be eligible for it um you know is it going to be like the tax referral where we only have a handful I mean how many how many
deferrals do we have a year you know yeah probably like six or seven right less than less than a dozen but again that's a different situation where you still owe that money down the road this money's you're exempt if you have a $10,000 tax bill and the select board's going to
wave $3,000 of that that's $3,000 that someone the rest of the town is picking up right you know if there's no Buton established yeah I I still think it's a
good Avenue for senors to like like they say age and place these people have been here for 10 plus years they're paid in they don't have any there's no they don't have any kids in the school system there's no drag so I don't know yeah no I agree with you 100% on that I just
again it's the whole it's the not knowing the amount and again dispersing this unknown amount over all the other taxpayers that are already paying their taxes you know I wish we knew more I wish there was there was more certainty
about it more definitive numbers um and this so uh uh this presentation the select board means for it to go to town meeting members or the Nick it's an article it's
Article Five I think if I pull my book I I looked at it when it when I got it in the mail and now I remember seeing this but and and so this is going to be presented the town meeting to kind of explain the article is that what we think I I think this actually went to the select board
it was a presentation that probably the two Nicks did um and I had asked uh Nick Connor you know whatever information he had I'd like to get to the board to you know Board of assessors um so I got it
this morning okay um yeah I I guess I feel like we're coming into a conversation that started some time ago and we don't have all the background to understand how it was initiated and who
the key players are yes it's an admirable goal to help Milton senior homeowners our goal yes this all is great but what's the upper limit and it all gets spread out to the rest of Milton
taxpayers um there's just some uncertainty there so we and and we're being told it's going to be uh $259,000 um is is that the midpoint is that the outer limit is that you know
that's a real low estimate could actually be $700,000 I I'm just uh I know there were there was some basis for the um the assumptions in there but I um yeah I just I just don't feel great
that uh yeah it's 259,000 maybe it's 100,000 maybe it's 400,000 I just yeah okay so I mean again we don't I'm I'm looking for us to vote on I just thought I just want to make sure we all know about it and we're prepared to
maybe discuss it at some point um at town meeting and if we get asked what what is what is the slide mean here in 2022 415 filers senior filers in Milton were um this is if it's an average
credit of 1129 that's a lot more than the 500 so uh okay and then we have anticipated usage would be between 140 and 200 so 4 15 filers are they were they all eligible or a portion of those 4115 were
eligible um so it looks like they're getting this information from the division of local services so this is probably people that filed um you know 41ds and uh things like that but but I I don't know that for
sure uh so 4 it looks like about 468,000 you know you know money so that that divided by 415 is is 1, 1229 yeah so
so and and who who who paid for that in 2022 was that that was the state yeah like 41ds and things like that uh those go to the state um unless of course you you change the
you know the amount that you were putting in we 41ds which is the elderly exemption it's $500 for us um 468,000 is a lot higher than the 259,000 so
I'm if in 20022 I just I just I just don't know enough about uh how it all ties together and um uh well this would
be the the income restrictions are lower on this I believe Charlie than they are on the new plan that they're trying to put in here and actually this is so this is the 41d is age 70 am I right uh let's see
here so uh the 41d is you must be 70 or older as of July 1st single is anywhere from 34,000 to 55,000 for income married is ,99 to 59
895 right so with the new plan it lows the age to 65 but the income levels it greatly increases them yeah in income for a single is 72 y
joint is more people eligible for this new plan that which is why we did that whole tax deferral thing years ago it's the reason we did it because so many seniors made more than they were eligible for
that $500 41d deferral uh exemption so yeah it does lower down to 65 for the age yeah but it UPS it UPS all the income so you're going to have more people eligible for this because you lower the
age and you up the income yeah you know again not a bad thing but so many unknowns about we we don't really know how many people are going to be eligible for this and we don't know what the amounts going to be right you know is the select board going to cap it at
$2,500 period across the board you really can't do a percentage that's not really fair to everybody it really has to be a a flat number right and they they did put a uh an amount on the house as well yeah even though it's not like
your house gives you the money back but uh that must be the uh average value do these that's you know quick question when we might probably don't know the answer do these other towns that have enacted enacted this who how's
that money that's Exempted spread out does the town just eat that is it or is it like they're trying to do they're trying to proportionally do it to all the other residents in the in the town was in there hangam was in there
yeah uh how how how do those towns do it yeah I could ask that question and try to get back to you Norwell some Melrose there some pretty high pric towns there right so how does the exemption work in
those towns who is is it is it spread out to all the other residents or is does the town have some sort of a fund that they use to cover that got it where does that fund come from I'll try to catch Nick tomorrow and ask
him that these are these are important things this is really stuff that I think PE this is potential questions I think people might ask at town meeting but I think it's questions we need to be able to at least say we talked about it if we
don't have the answers to it because it's not it's not our article you know right um you know so so maybe we walk away from this just saying you know the board couldn't come to a decision whether to you know agree to this or not
there's too many there's too many unknowns what you I mean what you guys think again we don't have to vot I don't want to vote on it I just I just think we should be able to talk about it if someone asks us town meeting yeah that's
fine we just we didn't haven't come you know we're not in agreement on it we think there's too many unknowns and you know we don't necessarily not support it but we can't say we support it I think maybe tomorrow I might reach out to either uh Rich Wells or maybe Roxy and
Musto and see if I can get a little info from them this almost sounds to me like it's something that should be extended out to the regular town meeting in May so you guys you guys don't mind if I do
that do you no I don't no that's fine all right well that's it I just thought I I thought we should know about we talk about it because it kind of caught me off God when I saw the article and I read it I'm like what the hell was this
so okay there's if there's nothing else I guess you guys want anything else Charlie do we have to stop in and sign those the what we passed today uh either that or if you didn't mind me just
filling it out for barara and and uh stamping it which whatever is best for you folks that works for me yeah I mean I don't mind stopping in in the morning I come up tomorrow and sign but if you guys are you know if you're not available you busy that's fine we can
just do that I don't it doesn't matter yeah yeah I'm around I can stop by tomorrow so I'll stop by in the morning and you know we don't Bob's got to go to Rhode Island I'm guess Prov yeah she'll only need the two anyway so yeah okay
cool okay I'll let her know that too so I guess we can adjourn it's like 701 701 yeah sounds good okay all right thanks guys have a great day thanks night everyone take care we'll see you later
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