--------- [Music] Okay. Okay, I'm going to call to order the first hearing of the afternoon on the application of Abdel, no, I'm going to butcher this. I'm sorry. Abdullah
Aziz Bji at 19 Osborne Road dated n September 18th, 2025, seeking a special permit to build a 4ftx 23 foot left rear two-story addition to the existing structure. Uh the property is located in
uh a resident C zoning district whereas the proposed project would addund uh 1116 square ft to the dwelling increasing the current nonconformity of the structure. The permit was denied pursuant to uh nonconformities article
4 section 265.1. Um all contained in the file that we are hearing today. My name is Virginia Donahghue King. I am the U zoning administrator and member of the board of
appeal appeals and we'll be hearing this um this application this afternoon. In the file I have um I have the denial letter for a building
permit and the subsequent application for the special permit. Um well that's I have um I have a listing of people who uh let me read that into the record um to whom the
concerns with the undersigned neighbors of 19 Osborne Road Milton Mass 02186 are writing in support of the proposed second floor addition to this home. We believe this project will add value not only to the property itself but also to the entire neighborhood. The majority of
the homes in our area already have similar updates and this improvement will help ensure that the house is consistent with the overall look and character of the community. We have no objections to the addition and view it as a positive enhancement that will benefit the neighborhood as a whole
sincerely. And it's signed by um neighbors at 15 Osborne Road, 20 House Street, 103 Wood Street, um 32 Melbourne, and 80 and 86 Emerson Road.
Um Oops. Yeah. Um, oh, and also, excuse me, I I neglected to add 11 Osborne Road and 20 Osborne Road. We have um a plot plan also in the file showing the the bird's eye view of
the house with measurements. And then we have um architectural plans by Blackbird Architecture um that have detailed um floor plans and elevations of what the um home proposed
home will be looking like if um this permit is granted and building um completes. So, um I would like at this point to turn it over to um I believe it's um Fidela
Bujami um to kind of you know give us an idea of what you're doing and why you feel it's a it's a good opportunity for um why we should um approve of this
uh addition. >> Oh yes, sure. Thank you so much for providing like the overview about the the uh request of adding the second floor. So basically I mean we have the idea of
adding the second floor since we moved to the neighbor. So and it's been since 2008. So we are the only in the neighbor who have one uh floor. So basically and thinking about uh and we thought about
adding the second additions just to have a better I mean having more space first also in terms of the uh aesthetic or like for the neighbor we are the only house that's look like smaller and it doesn't fit in within Yeah. old and
smaller and it doesn't look really good in terms of >> updated. >> Yeah. I mean yeah in terms of we need first update having a second floor could give a better uh aesthetic or like a better uh to the neighbor. So yeah and I
think all the neighbor uh the neighbors are supporting and like they are happy about the idea. So I can also my husband could add anything. I mean if there is anything you could add. >> Yeah. Hi, this is Aziz the hus
>> I'm sorry. >> This is Aziz the husband. >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. I I just like I said like uh my wife she just said we just need like an update and the house you know it's built in 1935 and it's only two bedroom basically. It's one and a half bedroom
and we just need that space and the neighbor I don't know if you've been around Osborne stuff like that. They are all supportive of a good updating makeup to this house. He just looks old, you know, and we need a space and we need
more value to our ne to our neighborhoods. And most of them and >> I'm also noticing on the plot plan that um the you're not building any closer to the neighbors. Um you have plenty of
room on the lefthand side, but on the right hand side is where the problem lies. Um but you're not you're only building on top of the house that you already have right now. You're not building any closer to that right side lot line. Correct. >> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Um Okay.
>> And Mr. and I'm sorry to enter Mr. the neighbor on 15 Osborne. He's fully I did ask permission and stuff like that. He's fully supportive. I don't know if he's online or not, but uh most my neighbors cross the street and back and basically
they are all supportive of this, you know. Yes, I believe his um your neighbors to the right. Oh, I just had that sheet of paper. Unfortunately, I'm working on a smalish
table here today. Um but but he is on the list. Your your your neighbor. Um we just >> Mr. Collins owns Collins. Yeah. Yes, ma'am. 15 I know. I saw this. Now I can't find it.
What's the second page? So that the the address next to you is Oh, yes. 11 Osborne Road. >> No, 15, I believe. >> 15. >> Yes, ma'am. [Music]
>> 15, I think. Yeah, I think it is 15. Yeah, >> I know. I've seen it. I just can't put my hand on it right now. >> I'm going You seen the confirm exactly the number? I'm going to confirm exactly the number. Hold on one moment.
I've got to get myself a bigger table for this. >> Take Okay, I've got that. I've got that. All righty. Um, is there anybody um out there that wanted to speak um in favor
of this project or not in favor? If anybody wants to speak about the project in one way or another, I'll type in. >> We do have some hands raised. Uh I saw Ellen's iPad first. I'm allowing her to
speak now. Ellen. >> Okay. And as as you um as you're cited, if you could give me your your full name and address, that would be very helpful for me for ke keeping a full record. >> Yeah. Can you hear me? >> I can. >> Okay. This is Jim McAuliff. I'm using my
wife's iPad. I'm at 103 Wood Street. >> And you were on the list, weren't you? >> I'm on the list. I'm former contractor. >> Okay. >> So, you are in favor and sign. >> I'm definitely in favor. I I saw the
drawings. I love it. It fit very nicely to the neighborhood. >> Thank you. It does. It does look like it's going to fit the neighborhood better than the current house does right now from from what I've been able to look at. They did a nice job fixing up old Chief Hickeyy's house, but it's it's it's still it's undersized for the
neighborhood. So, I'd love I'd love to see that new addition. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. And we also had Cheryl Warren. Cheryl, I'm allowing you to speak now. >> Can you hear me? Yes. Oh, okay. Um
Cheryl Warren. So, I live at 94 Wood Street, which is um I bought the property line to the left. So, just like a question, when you're saying like to the left and to the right of this house, can you explain like I do you mean facing?
>> Yes. As you're facing the house, >> Yeah. >> um from the street, the left hand side would be um towards your property and the right hand side is is um where they need to have the zoning relief. So that's it's not on your side of the
house on whatever is on your side of the house is within the zoning code. >> Okay. So um yeah. So this when we got the letter from your office is the first time we heard about this. So in other words, the the proposed um
building or um you know variance is going to only be on the right hand side of the house, not on the left hand side of the house. No, the full um a full second story is going to be put on on the footprint of where the house is
right now. That the second story will be no bigger than Okay. >> will have the same footprint as the as what's there right now. It will be no closer to your property. >> Okay. So, the existing footprint just going up to a second story. >> Just going up. So, it's increasing it's
decreasing the the non-conformity of the house on the other side. Um, but not on your side. That that that would be allowed to be built, just not on the other side without without the permit. >> Right. >> Any other questions?
>> No. Thank you for clarifying. >> Okay. Thank you for your question. Was that it, Bill? >> No, we have a couple more. We have um >> Greg Warren has been waiting. Pardon me just a moment. Allowing him to
speak. >> Okay. >> Hello. >> It's not coming through. >> I'm getting a lot of feedback. Greg, are you uh using a phone and yeah something else? [Music]
a lot of feedback, Greg. >> No speaking. >> I don't have a a phone on. Is that better? [Music] We're getting a lot of echoing, but um perhaps if you just speak
into the microphone at the computer, we can understand you. >> Yes, maybe maybe I'll just get off the computer and call in. Not sure what's happening there. Okay. You might I think I'm going to have to >> new voice is coming through.
>> Yeah. Going to mute him. >> And Mary Ellen Welsh wanted to speak as well. >> Okay. Maybe we could come back to Mr. Warren. Um >> yeah, I think >> things get better. >> We'll have to return. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, Mary Ellen Welsh, you can speak now. [Music] >> Mary Ellen, are you there? You're muted. >> Okay. Okay. Can you hear hear me? >> Yes.
>> Can you hear me now? Okay. Thank you very much. Yes. As I say, I'm right across directly across the street from uh 19 Oswan Road Aziz's house. And uh if there's anything to be said in the affirmative, I would say that I don't
think it's going to be uh an obstruction to the neighborhood or anything like that, a blight of the neighborhood. So, it's a very small home as we all know uh to begin with. So, of course, the added space would be clearly welcomed by the uh the property owners. So, uh if
there's anything uh else that I could do to uh you know say I approve of it, uh I will. But uh I'm as I say I face him directly. I know the warrants are to his side. Uh but I do face him directly. So it doesn't uh phase me at all. And I'm
glad there's uh you know trees behind him too. Everything will I think look very uh very nice. So that would be my comment and I hope that that will be uh something that will help him with this uh zoning. >> Okay. And what's your address on Osborne Road?
>> I'm number 20. two >> 20 Oswan Road. >> Thank you, Miss >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Oh, sure. Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> Now we have Steve Z. Steve Z, your hand is raised, so now you're allowed to
speak. Please unmute yourself and make your comment. Tell us your address also. >> And >> that's quite a long list. Greetings. First of all, can we start with are you able to hear me? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Fantastic. Thank you for unmuting me. Thank you for the floor. My address,
well, my f full name is Steve Zera, Z E R A. My address is 8 Melbourne Road. >> Okay. >> I am neighbors to the property that will be having the addition. My comment is very simple. I'm generally in favor of
it and I did not have a chance to sign the petition in favor. So, I'd like to put that on record at this time. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. you >> and we have made a note that you're in approval of this as well in favor of it.
>> Any anyone else that wants to be heard? >> Molly, we have an Emily. Emily, please state your full name and your full address. Emily, please unmute yourself. Emily, please unmute yourself if you want to comment.
>> Oh, >> seems to be gone. >> That's correct. Okay. Um, >> and then we had Cheryl Warren raised her hand again. >> Yep. So, just another clarifying question if you would please. So, um I'm
confused about why it's um like why was it rejected in the first place? So, it's it's not like as you said it's not there's no addition to the base of the home. You're the proposal is just to go up one story. So, what was the basis of
the initial rejection? Well, the the initial rejection is because anytime that you have a a non-conforming house and you're going to be using the same footprint, but but it's still it's still going to be within the setback requirements in your neighborhood. The
side setbacks are supposed to be 10 at least 10 ft between the the lot line the side lot lines and the the structure of the home. So, um, this home was built, um, before, uh, zoning came in, which is
why it's it's close closer than 10 ft to the right side lot line. So, unfortunately, when when you have a home that's that's, you know, pre-existing home that that's legal and pre-existing but non-conforming to the um the bylaws
which came in in um in um 1938. Um the people that are are wishing to increase the the part of the home that will be built so that it's more in the setback of 10 ft from the side lot line. So,
even though it's not increasing the um the distance or it's not decreasing the distance between the lot line and the home, it's increasing the amount of home that would be in that. So, in this case, it's increasing it upwards. Um many
times you you're going to get somebody that will want to build something that's, you know, a two-story edition next to a two attached to a two-story house. And that would be, you know, a situation where um that, you know, you would you would also be looking at a a
variance for that or a special permit for that as well. But it's um but it's not increasing the um it it's not increasing exactly the non-conformity of what is already there. It's something beyond that. And that can it can be
given a special permit as well. But in a situation like this, um, you know, it would be impossible to, um, to build anything onto a house that was already in the setback. And, and that probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense because some of these houses were built,
you know, when um, you know, when people um, didn't take as much space up as we do now. Um, you know, we were all having home offices and, you know, we want more bathrooms and so forth. So, um, so it's kind of it's it's dealing with the reality of people wanting a little bit
more room on the same amount of of area, but because this house was was built, um, already so close to the house, that's why each time that that nonconformity is extended in any way, even if it's not extended into the setback, but extended further back or
further up or further to the front, you need to come and get a special permit. Does that answer your question? >> It does. Yeah. I I wonder um Miss King, have you seen the property itself? >> Yes, I have. >> Okay. Cuz the property lines we're very close. I mean, I have
>> I'm I'm been on the phone more than a dozen times over the past few years with the fire chief just like around him burning and I'm very nervous about how close those property lines are along with sort of all the like um trees and leaves and sort of like things that
you'd be concerned about with like an open fire going on a windy day. So, I do have concerns about the closeness of the sort of the overall property line. >> There are there are laws that I'm not really up on um having to do with, you know, having fires and fire pits and stuff like that of what you need to, you
know, how far away from the houses and stuff like that, too. So, um I I understand what you're speaking about. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And uh we I see that we have lost um
Greg Warren. I guess we were unable to get him to um I I assume that he's a family member of yours, Mrs. Warren. >> Yes, my husband. >> And are you um do you have any information about what he might have been wanting to say? Was he in agreement
with you or otherwise or have questions? >> I actually don't know cuz I'm at work and he's at work so we're separated. Uh, I just knew that, you know, being this being the first we heard of it was when we got the letter from you. Um, you know, I know we had a lot of clarifying questions around sort of some of the
things that I've already asked. I don't know if he had any additional questions to that. >> I I um Well, if if you if you can get in touch with him in the next couple of minutes before I make a decision, um, then he could say something if if there's if if he's um I don't know, is
that something you can do or not? Yes, I I'll reach out to him right now. Okay. >> Okay. And now, uh, Emily has raised her hand again. I'm going to once again try to give her an opportunity. Emily, please. >> So, that actually is Greg. Mrs. King.
>> That's Greg. Emily, >> he's using a different device. My daughter's device. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. Greg now has uh should have a chance to speak. >> I hopefully this is better. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All right. Great. Uh, sorry, I'm under my daughter's name. I'm at 94 Wood
Street. Uh, I upought the proposed project. Uh, current currently uh I just I guess I heard most of what has been said, but I just want to make sure it's clear that on the side uh of my house, I guess if
you're facing uh his house, that would be the would be the house to the left. >> Mhm. with there's absolutely going to be no digging is my understanding. >> I I just heard uh that there was something that came over my computer unfortunately and made a dinging. Could you just say the last thing you said
again? >> So I just want to make sure that there there's going to be like no digging or uh moving of this the soil. It's just going to be on the existing f uh footprint the new existing property. Just a second level.
>> It's it's a second level. Um, I don't know if there's going to be any digging or anything involved with this. I I It doesn't look like it from the plans. Um, maybe, um, the applicant could answer that question.
>> The side of the neighbors of, uh, Hi. Yeah. Yeah. Hi. Yeah. You'll be digging on the side uh the the 4 ft by 13 like that the thing it's in it's it's in the plan on
the side of the war's side. >> Okay. Yes. There's a >> you see the digging there. Yes. That's but still I'm 23 feet away from his fence. >> Right. So So there will be some digging to um Okay. When I was referring to the
footprint, I was referring to the the right side footprint. On the left side, >> yes. >> Um there's a um a section that's a bumpout in the front of the house and in a very um narrow uh space going down
from that bumpout to the back of the house, which will be um extended in the new house on the first floor and the second floor. That's correct. There would be digging there. >> Okay, >> that's correct. That's what's in in the plants. Yeah.
>> Okay. >> But still in the foot still on the uh on on a on a on a foot on on a plan the house everything could be bu nothing. It's going like more to the side staying on a perimeter of the house.
>> Right. The building going up. >> I'm looking at the plot plan. Yes. >> And um the pl the the part that is okay. Currently, the the home is um 21 ft from the property line to the left in the
front of the house and um 23.3 um it will be 23.3 in the back of the house with the new um portion of the first floor put there. So, yes, it's going to be a couple of
feet closer to the to your property on um Wood Road, but it's it's well I mean it's it's the the set the setback is is over 20 ft and only 10 are required. >> Okay. So, I guess my concerns are
there's there's a lot of trees in that area and if digging is going to take place the I guess the trees could be subject to their roots getting dug up or the trees could be
potentially having an issue of falling or I'm just concerned about that happening with the large trees. And then my my second issue uh is currently uh when the land was surveyed when we moved in and we uh put in a fence and then uh
the land was reserveyed again. Uh the current property on Osborne that they constructed a driveway that currently uh comes over into our property now. So I'm just trying to navigate how the addition 4 ft left is going to
affect >> okay >> the encroachment of land like it's already the driveway on Osborne Street is already encroaching on our land. Now I'm just concerned what will happen with a big project going on over there. Um it
it appears to me that the the driveway um how um this isn't really a place that we can litigate the driveway right now. Um that might be something that you do need to talk to um your neighbors um amongst yourselves to
>> Yes, I sent a lawyer a letter from a lawyer a few years ago and it was uh unanswered. Um well um because that's a that's a very different
situation than what I'm dealing with right now. Um it it is something that you both of you know both parties need to um put your plot plans together and make sure that they say the same thing so that um
>> yes if there's a problem with that that the driveway is removed from your land or um you know have have some kind of an understanding of um what that what that land means. um as far be because the
nonconformity um the current exists on the house is um on the other side and it's not on this side. We really um we're not any anything that you're um not happy about
on the left hand side of the house um is immaterial really to to my making a decision today on this. Now, that doesn't mean that that you don't have a cause of action for for wanting to get, you know, your your land back from
underneath some asphalt or cement or whatever it is. Um, but that can't be addressed here. It's something that um it's you should you should talk to each other first of all. Um, put your plot plans together and see um see where things really lie. Get out with the long
tape measure and both of you, you know, work on that. And if you can't come to some kind of a decision by um looking at those uh the the perimeter um to see where the where the lot line really is.
Um then um you know that that's another whole story rather than Okay. So I I understand where you're coming from, but it's we we can't really address it in in this in this situation. I can't I can't put something in into my decision. um
should I approve this? Um I can't put something in my decision that says and oh, you know, you're gonna give back land or something because we're not we're not taking evidence on that right now. So, and and I it it's that's not the right form for for putting in that evidence. It's really something that
needs to go through. >> Yeah. I'm just like just kind of putting it out there like I guess I'm concerned about the the new dwelling like impeaching on the the borderline where it's like an
example already has happened and the the property has been surveyed twice and it it it's come out to the same spot. I mean, it's not a huge piece of pro, >> right, >> spot, but it's just has a >> I don't want it to be a patent patent.
>> I understand what you're saying. And I and I um I wish I could help you on, you know, put everything together with a nice bow in in this form, but I can't do that for you. Um it's something that you you will need to talk to each other about. And if you can't talk to each
other about um then then it's time to get some attorneys that can talk to each other. But I I would I would recommend talking to each other first. You know, just understanding that um you know, you you live in a in a tight neighborhood and um you know, you need you need to
know where your property ends and and where it begins. So, um, so I would I would encourage you to do that, um, and, um, get some understanding on that and then, um, make it make an agreement about it in some fashion or another. If you need
some help, you know, that would be that would be a time to call in an attorney on it. >> Okay. Thank you. >> We have another hand. >> Looks like Cheryl Warren again. Well, I think I think you already answered the question, but I feel like the first 15
minutes, like I was asking the clarifying questions about um sort of the dwelling was just going up, but I feel like later on in the conversation, we got to a point where you said, "No, now there's going to be maybe it would be helpful if we probably have a better
understanding if we saw them." >> If you saw what? >> The actual plans that you that you're referencing. I know it sounds like other people have seen them >> to inspection. Anytime that you get something from the board of appeals, you are welcome to look at at the um all all
of the plans anytime that you want to look at them. Um I can show you. I don't know if you can see this very well. >> I can. >> Um I'm trying to Okay, let me get this focused.
Okay. So on you see the darker area that's cross-hatched. Now it's going to look because this is zoom it. Everything is in mirror image, >> right? >> So your house is actually on
the right here instead of the left. So that cross-hatching is on your side. But you can see that there's a nice big 20 foot plus setback from your property there. and the the what we were here for is really only the other side that's you
know somewhat less than 10 ft. Does that help you? >> It does. Thank you. >> Okay, good. I'm glad we could do that. >> Um >> for future reference, it is available on the town website under the case. You can look
case number 2891. >> Okay. I didn't know that. Thank you. Yeah, I I feel like I should say I have a public service announcement here saying that, you know, when you when you get this sort of thing. Of course, the only people that are here listening to it are the people that got some sort of thing and it's too late. But um not too
late, but you always do have a chance to look at these these cases um ahead of time and um you know, find out or and and I encourage people to talk to their neighbors. Um that's the best way of doing it. Um sometimes it's hard. you know, we're all working and so forth,
but um talking is good. Understanding each other is good. So, there looks like there's no other hands up that I can see anyway. So, I'm going to close the evidentiary portion of the hearing and decide on
this case right now. Um we've um we do have great support in the neighborhood for this um application. I understand that the Warren are concerned um but the the side of the house that
they are on is um is plenty far from their house. So, um it it appears that it's not something that's going to u be a detriment to their property. Um if there were any trees that they were
concerned about coming down, um it probably um is probably too far away for um having some digging in that area um on that side of the house to to be coming in and taking down any or killing any of of the trees to the neighbors um
on the left. So, um, while I I understand some concerns that they have and, um, so forth, I also see that the the neighborhood does have good support for this, it's a neighborhood that has gone through quite a transformation over
the years from um, you know, originally being a lot of little small Cape Cod houses and so forth and and now they're they're much more substantial homes. And um the the the proposed home here is um is attractive. It's it's built to um it
it was planned to make use of the um better as much excuse me use of the property as they could within the um the um the envelope kind of of what they already have of their foot plan with a
modest addition to that. So, um, I find that it will not be a detriment to the neighborhood. Um, in in a situation like this, there's no way that they could build on to their house without it looking really quite bizarre if they didn't have a full second floor. It
would be kind of an ugly house. And this way, it it retains um, you know, some conformity with the rest of the with the rest of the neighborhood. So I am approving um the special permit. Um it takes me a
little bit of time to write the decision for this and um once that decision goes into u Mr. Donnelly, he gets um he files it with the town clerk and a 20-day appeal period starts where um even if
somebody wanted to appeal um the decision on this, they could do that in that 20-day period. So, after the 20 days, um the applicants will be um notified um by Mr. Donley that they are um the 20-day appeal period is up and that
nobody has filed or if somebody has filed, they take care of that at that point. But um um and then you can apply for your building permit. Um if for some reason you think you're not going to be able to complete this in a year, um please get
an extension on this cuz this expires after a year. So please um before it expires, get an extension on it if you if you see that it's it's not going to get done within that year just to keep the keep the um the special permit going. So, congratulations and I um wish
you um much luck in your um building process and enjoying your new home. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Thank Thank you. >> Thank you, guy. Thank you. >> Okay. And that concludes case number 28
91 19 Osborne Road. >> Okay. Um going to call our second hearing to order upon the application of Alicia Barnes at 116 Ridgewood Road
dated September 18th, 2025 seeking a special permit to construct a second story edition totaling approximately 971 1 square ft. The property is located in a residence B zoning district. Whereas the proposed second story addition with a basement
height of 6.86 ft would create a third story as defined in the Milton zoning bylaws, the permit was denied. Um in the file we have um voluminous
um voluminous voluminous evidence. We have the um appe of appeals um application and the denial letter for the um building permit before that for the proposed
um Okay. Um All right. We have a letter um from Diana. um asking for to it's it I'll just read it in to help summarize the changes in this
application. In order for this family to remodel the tight quarters of the first floor, second floor, and uh per average grade to allow for more bedrooms for their kids and office space, we designed a top edition that from the street view would would be considered a second
floor. Although from the back of the house, due to the average grade in the walkout basement, it would be considered three stories. The backyard but abuts conservation land. We have attached uh three butters showing how the next door neighbor and others support this project
and welcome the initiative of the homeowners to make this house their forever home. And um we've got we've got a lot of um from root rael builders. We have um
some contracts. We have um schematics of what the addition will include. And we also have um structure. We also have um elevations from all sides of the house showing how
the proposed structure will look. Um and so anyway, um I will turn it over to Diana Parro to uh tell me a little bit more about this house. And oh, we also have
uh less I forget a lot of um plans here in in very large plans here. So um there's the pictures of the of the the markups of the house and everything are all there. So um let me
turn it over to um Diane Porro. >> Thank you so much for the floor, Jen. Um this is Janna Poto. I'm like the um design builder. So, I've been helping my clients basically since they bought the house some years ago, I've already with
my team, we've already remodelled like their uh first floor. And it was always a dream of being able to make sure that this house that right now has like um very dated small bedrooms in the first
floor to add like another addition. But we knew that there was kind of like a special permit out of like how the back of the house makes everything look like we're putting a third floor. Um, I actually created a little presentation.
As you see, we're trying to give all the information that helps you guys see how this addition is really not going to like impact the neighborhood nor like the neighbors of Butters. is going to really look just like the house next
door because of the topographic location of the house. Um is right right now we're putting kind of like the addition um over their dining and kitchen to allow them like um better sized bedrooms
and have like the office and you know just right now their kid is in one of those like tiny bedrooms that we all know is kind of like feels a little bit Harry Potter. Um, so we're trying to just um provide any information that you
need to go over why we think, you know, we would like to have like a relief on um the fact that it's technically like a third floor story, but it's not perceived as from the street.
Yeah, I can see from um the elevations that the um the front of the house it it looks it looks like a two-story house that that has a um has a one floor um
living area above the garage. Um, and I think this would be a very different application if it if it were um not a budding conservation area, if you had neighbors behind you there. So, um, what I I I think I I've looked at this
information and and I was initially, um, I was initially thinking that this is probably something that couldn't happen because it it really does appear to be a a three-story house, except for the fact that it's got a very strange um topography on the area. I mean, the the
the schematics show a very attractive looking two-story house. um of of what it would what it would be looking like with this um second floor o over the um initial um right-hand part part of the house. Um I it would would
have been a different application as well. If that that um second story was continuing over the entire house that would be a kind of a massive um massive area and um very tall
area. it would be it would be kind of tough to do. But um but anyway um with with no neighbors behind to look at at something that could be as massive as that um it it it kind of alleviates the
um the the the problem of of dealing with a a hilly um un uneven um kind of lot. So that's that's the kind of thing that um that you know special permits
are are are made for is to deal with um you know trying to add on to a house that it's kind of hard to do it because of because of the land. Um you can't change the land. So um sometimes they have to give um variances on these
things. So, um, so I I'd like to know if there's any, um, Oh, wait a minute. We have um something else. So, I was wondering if there are any um, people that wanted to be heard on this application.
I don't see any hands raised. Okay. Um well then I'm going to close the evidentiary portion of the hearing. Um like I say, I was I was initially, you know, not before looking at, you know, pictures and of everything um to
see what it would look like. I was initially thinking that this could be something that would really denigrate from the the zoning bylaw and be a problem. But the way I look at it is it's attractively designed. It makes um it it otherwise it's it's a house that
you can't grow you can't grow into. You you growing out of people are grow the family is growing out of it. So I understand um why the need is for this. Um some of the houses up there are you know beautifully sighted and all but
they can be very small and as kids get bigger and older they want to have a little bit more room for themselves. So, um I see that this is um that it would be hard to uh to add on to this house because of the situation with the hills
without kind of looking silly. So um it's attractively designed rather it's doesn't look massive and I think that this is a situation due to the um the form form of the land that um variance
is is um is is is meant for something like this. So I'm going to grant this um this variance. Um, again, there'll be a a um will take me, you know, couple weeks to write something, get make sure
I can write something. Um, and a decision on this. Um, and then there's a 20-day appeal period once it gets filed with the town clerk. And it's after that that a building permit can be pulled. So, um, we're looking, you know,
about about a month before a a building permit could be pulled, but Bill will let you know when that time comes. So, um, congratulations and, um, happy building. >> Thank you for your time. Yes. And we we really try to not make any monstrosity and be sensitive, but there was not that
many ways of like not adding also more footings and stuff like that. So, thank you so much. >> You're very welcome. Good luck. >> Thanks. Bye. And that will conclude the hearing on 116 Ridgewood Road, case 2890.
Sorry for the wait. I'm calling to order the hearing upon the application of Nathan Crowley and Lindseay Stroker at 36 Westside Road dated October 2nd, 2025, seeking a special permit to build a 10- ft by 3,
no, excuse me, 4.3 foot deck to the rear of the existing structure. The property is located in a resident C zoning district. The proposed project will be built 18.2 2 ft from the rear lot line. Whereas the Milton zoning bylaws,
article 10, section 2785-10.4A, requires that new buildings or portions of buildings be set back at a minimum of 30 ft from the rear lot line. Therefore, the permit has been denied. Um, okay. in
the um file. We have um we have a denial letter for the building per the original application for um building permit. Um and then we have the application for
relief from the um from the bylaw. We have um we have two plot plans. One showing the current state um and the other the proposed state
um with the proposed um excuse me how the proposed um landing landing would look. There's a letter from um attorney Marian McKetric outlining
um why the application should be granted. And there are um several pages of structural um information and measurements on
what the um this quite small deck, how it's going to be situated, how it's going to be um footed and so forth. um and schematics of what the house will look like once the uh the deck is uh
excuse me the yeah the deck and stairs is um replaced. There are some photos of what's currently there and um a quick claim deed showing that the um the applicants in
fact own the house. There's a plot a a neighborhood plan with plot plots um lined out. There's also a neighborhood schematic of the homes showing how the homes are placed on the um the plots as well as a property record card and
that's a mass. So um I'm going to turn it over to um Attorney McEtric and um see what we can find out here. >> Attorney McAtric. >> Good evening everybody. I'm Mary McAtric. I am representing the applicants for this application. Um,
this is a a corner lot house. Um, at the corner of Morton uh street, Morton Road and Westside Road. >> Interrupt you for one second because I I forgot something incredibly important that there was um also
letters of approval. Were there letters of approval? >> Signatures. Yes, there's there are signatures um of support from the neighbors at 23 and 40 Westside Road, 9 Morton Terrace, and 38 and 45 Morton
Road. So, there is some um support. >> There's also an email from 56 Morton. >> Yes. And that came today. Yes. Sorry about that. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. That is important. >> Yes. >> Um so, it's a pre-existing non-conforming structure on a conforming
lot. The lot is 9,218 square feet, so it exceeds the 7,500 square foot requirement. This is a seed district. Um, and um the front and left side setbacks meet the required 20 ft for a corner lot. Um, the nonconformity for
this house is at the as you face the house from the street, by the way, is at the right side setback of 9 ft and a pre-existing non-conforming rear setback, the right rear corner of 17.6 ft. This proposal is just for a very small
deck and a set of stairs. There's been a nice renovation done at this house. This deck is the exit out into the yard. And when the applicants reached the point of wanting to construct this, they sort of ran up against a roadblock with the um
inter building commissioner who was telling them, you need a special permit for this because the new deck is um doesn't meet the setback requirement. and it intensifies the existing nonconformity. That was his ruling. And
um the other dispute which that we you know sort of gave up on was that we didn't really think it was a jack, we thought it was really just a landing, but because it's the dimensions are 10 ft by 4.3 ft. Building um inter building inspector uh decision was that that is a
deck. So, um, what we are asking for tonight is that the board of appeals approve a special permit in accordance with what the building inspector is requiring, a special permit to allow intensification, and I put it in quotes,
of a nonconformity non-conforming rear lot line setback. So the the the what we couldn't really agree on and I think this question may even would have been sent to town council someday and maybe we get an answer back on it is that um
if the right side uh rear setback is 17.6 ft and the um new deck is 18.2 feet from the rear lot line. It's it is further away from the rear lot line than the
non-conforming setback. So, you know, the argument, I guess, that we put forward, well, this is not an intensification because it's not as far, it's not as close as the non-conforming set. So, we just had to agree to disagree. And at this point, everything
else is done in this house. They just want their rear exit. So, we are asking respectfully that the board approve this as a special permit as the uh commissioners are requiring. We did talk to the new commissioner as well, but because he's new, you know, he didn't
really want to make a decision on this and it was one of the many questions that he wants to sit down and discuss with some council and that's fine. You know, we understand that. Um so, um there you know the finally the applicants have in addition have
consulted with all the neighbors and um if they want to add any comments on that they can. But you read the addresses correctly. the neighbors surrounding this property of all signed the form saying that they don't object to having the relief granted and we would
certainly I would be very happy to see this matter concluded and the 20-day appeal period begin so that hopefully they can complete their next steps. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Um did the applicants
want to say anything or not? not spoon. Um, your attorney has um been very um persuasive on this, so you're not required to say anything. >> No, I uh appreciate Marian's words. I
think she's put it succinctly. Um so, um yeah, appreciate your consideration. >> Um Bill, are there any people that wanted to speak on this? >> I don't see any raised hands. No. >> Okay. Well, I'm going to close the
evidentary portion of the hearing and decide on the case right now. >> Hold on. I don't know why this phone is left in here because this is not where it's supposed to be. But anyway, sorry about that. >> Tim calling, returning your call. Um, I'll be home the rest of the night. Uh,
give me a give me a call when you get a chance. Okay. 860893565. Thanks a lot. Bye. >> It makes us feel at home. It happens here all the time. >> Anyway, um this is um this is a a tiny a
tiny ask and um it's smaller than what's currently there. Um, this is a property that's on a very odd lot and it's the the the house is placed
very strangely on the lot and the garage even more strangely on the lot, but you know, we're not dealing with that today. So, if ever there was a a a place to have a special permit, I think this is the place for it. There does need to be
some kind of access to the backyard. small though though that it might be right there. Um it's it's modest. It's um it's it's replacing something that was larger and I can't see that there would be any um complaint about that
from neighbors. In fact, there are no complaints about that. So I am voting as a as a majority of one that um to extend that special permit for you. So, congratulations and um hope this last
bit of the renovations is um is the easy part. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Do you want me to try to draft a decision for this? >> That would be great. Thank you. >> So, I'll bid you all a deer. Thanks. Good night everybody. Bye bye
now. [Music] Part: 2
[Music] Um anyway, I guess we can start our meeting. Um I just uh wanted to introduce everybody to Alex who's from public
law and >> everyone sure a little over 10 years now. Um I focus mostly on land use including mitigation and permitting.
Uh firm represents municipalities everywhere from Pittsfield to Provintown. So all over the state. Um so you know we're very attuned to all the issues that municipalities are doing.
Yeah. Very interesting projects being currently. Um, you know, we just started picking an enforcement action that we have. [Music] It was 7:30, right?
>> I don't think you've met most of these people. >> Well, that could possibly be. Yes. >> Good to meet you. Nice to meet you. Hi, >> Alex. What was that? I'm >> Alex from KD. Okay. New council. Okay.
I know you. I know you. I know you. I know you. >> That wasn't too bad. Not close. That post. >> Um, as I said, I thought it would be nice for us to actually meet in person. You know, we haven't done that in like five years. So, I thought it was sort of
a good time and uh and thankfully we had somebody from now that was willing to come and introduce themselves as our new town council. And um and off the top, but it would be helpful to sort of explain to the newer members of the
board um what you are doing other nights and >> we're very grateful. >> Well, um judging from earlier today, I had three hearings this this afternoon. So, uh that's kind of what happens a
lot. There's probably been it's hovering around a hundred different um applications that have come through me. Um some of them have um some of them been a little more complex
than than we had anticipated. Um um and some have chosen to knowing that it was not going to go. There there are times that I've recommended that um and we're getting more of a feeling for those kinds of things that would be
recommended to go to a three-person board. Um if there's something that um I would not feel comfortable um uh deciding or or knowing that I would um turn it down, I send it back to a three
person board because I figured that way it's better that people can talk amongst themselves. And I mean I there are times that I've been a denter and have convinced other people and there are other times that I've been the denter. So I thought that that was that was a
good use of the three person board. Um so we are I I'm getting a better feel of which things to take, which things not to take. Um and um there are some that I've um
there's there's been controversy with and people have threatened that they were going to be um filing which by the way that has not happened right on that latest one. >> Not so far. >> So um it does mean that the decision has to be written pretty precisely so that
they really can't there's there's no way for them to really have anything that they could they could go to court with. So, um, so it's it's been it's been busy. It's seasonal. Um, I wish more people would do things in the winter
time because, you know, they want to build in the summertime. They don't want to be waiting around for healing. >> So, but you know, that's what can I say. >> So, is that going away, you know, support that sort of thing?
>> Yeah. Um, you know, it's there. It's >> your hand. >> I will. Thank you. >> Um, things that seem dimminimous.
>> Um, well, you tell me. What do you send me? There's sometimes I send it back, but I'm not sure what your criteria is for that. generally send you almost every case to review for unless it's something obviously controversial, you
know, like the nursery or >> Right. Right. >> or something that's big like the hospital or something like that. Yeah. >> But I like to get some feedback before approaching the larger board. >> Yeah. So I mean so I guess I I am seeing
most things and and um that's fine because um I'm finding that I can cut and paste from other things generally. So >> regular day
>> usually Mondays usually Mondays for the most part we write decisions in some situations but it's basically >> yeah I've been busy writing decisions. Yeah. which is I sometimes different too
but depending upon different towns um it's not it's it's like you can expect the draft like in the city of Washington they expect to draft but not the zone board itself but yeah
resources [Music] so as I said was kind I'm wondering what the Yeah. What the bill that's going to pass on that >> essentially. Yeah. As I said, you know,
anything that's obviously going to need larger board, you know, go directly to you, but I do ask for a little bit of a re review. She does a lot of sometimes there are some books as well. Anybody
have any questions? I have an idea for you. So I'm just kind of curious the volume how quickly he dispos >> Not as quickly as everybody would like. >> I try to do it in two weeks.
I just knew I was >> Well, um you know >> when you're disappearing >> it is I mean it it's it's work. It's um you know people people choose to give to the community
in various ways and this is a way that I give to the community. Um, one of the things that we had talked about and actually was interesting. I said I was at the conference today where we had this session on Zoom to just just things that go with the story we were
telling. Um, like the time from a pink bathroom, you know, in his house because he said when they're like, "You were in the bathroom?" Well, yeah. I'm home with the kids and it's the only one that's quiet. I didn't think that was, you know,
[Music] >> looking people Howard Spicer does not like you know the Golden Gate on the beach and Diana sort of does that kind of fun but um it was interesting because I was asking a question about how they most
how do they handle things and so do they do their trials and because there's a discussion about doing whether we do hybrid meetings. We've been meeting on Zoom since and so the uh the thought was to sort of take a
look to see whether or not because we had a recent enforcement case that the applicant assisted being in person. So I was here in person. These guys were sitting.
Um, and we had one situation where I was in town hall talking to Bill and this woman came in was asking about what was before us for the um for the heritage and um she couldn't figure out how to
come in um and and she did sign in but I mean she couldn't figure out how to talk and she was a directive and so I'm a little sensitive to the fact that you know some people are not able to figure this out. Um and so I thought about thinking about
whether we would go forward to do high and so some one person here or someone not believe me. Um but the Milton Access TV said they can't do that. They don't have um but if they could train somebody to
use the equipment that's in the new meeting. So if so I think you know we should talk we talk about it, but I think we would continue. Do you mean honest or no that we would continue to do that um unless
somebody, you know, complained and wanted to do a high and then in that case, you know, Bill and I [Music] do all about that? >> Is you you're okay with Zoom?
>> Zoom seems to be working% of the time. There's person because of something like that. >> Yeah. I think in some instances it's nice somebody brings in like a newer plan or a larger plan that we have gotten
>> easier for everybody to look at the photos that they may >> not have submitted beforehand. I mean maybe maybe the answer is that hey we're doing it by Zoom so you got to get it everything into us. Um but other other than that just from
the presentation u as I don't have a problem with zoom >> I'm fine with the zoom stuff as long as the constituents are okay when >> I had one problem today with one um person was a direct butter that um wasn't able to say what he wanted to say
and he we finally um we gave him a little time and he gone on to someone else's computer and was able to say what he wanted to say but um Yeah, it was a little dicey there. >> Um, it kind of brings up something else though.
I'm finding that, and this was the case with this gentleman. Um, he got the notice of of his ab budding neighbor um wanting to build something and he was on the
leftand side. The right hand side was where the setback was was needing to be done. It was like 20some feet on on the side between the two of them and and they didn't quite understand. And so, you know, you do public service announcements saying, "Yes, you can look at these things anytime you want, you
know, in in town hall." And then Bill piped up and said, "You can do that online." >> Yeah. >> So, um I I don't know. It it kind of I think if more people knew about that, there wouldn't be as much um needing to call in on some things
that might catch you, you know, that sort of thing. >> Well, do do our ads say that the these available on the website or they just say that they're filed with the template or they're filed? >> Um I think
goes out it just you know indicates date time. >> Yeah. and that it's a Zoom hearing. >> Now, if we can update that language to say that it's available with a link to the town site and active appeals. Pardon?
>> It's not in the current >> document that goes out to the board's file inspection. Yeah, >> it says that because that's where it is. It's in the board's file in >> it is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's All
>> yeah, >> all active appeals. Yeah, >> it is. >> It's not in the app. >> Yeah, that's why I'm saying if we we could actually put a link on the notices, maybe that would be helpful. >> The thing is a lot of the documents
we're getting through files are not until like two hours before the meeting, right? I don't know if that's something we want to discuss tonight, too, is having some type of deadline. Not that not that anyone would follow it but
>> well they said that you know you have to prep for a Zoom meeting probably more than you do for live court but all of our motion sessions are pretty much on Zoom but you have to everything's got to be you've got to have digitized everything
>> what's the consequence of I mean I I agree but what's the you had >> come into I mean some I'm I'm retired some of you you know maybe coming like straight you know don't you know coming home and
going straight into a hearing and not even know whether something's come in an hour before usually it's like you know butters or something like that >> yeah but if but is represented by an attorney. It could
be some additional submitting [Music] [Music] these applications from people who are
not, you know, just it will be hard for them to that we really were just around where that happened a couple times and made known that it wasn't good, but I don't know that it would
have been improved one way or the other. I wouldn't I'm definitely in favor of having both the materials online and the notice say they're online. That's easy for everybody because what what confuses
me about these are the mult right that is a problem >> emails but going to a great but I would be in favor of having >> well I think it would be helpful to tell people that in notice that
>> so there's something else about the zoom that just occurred to me while Jimmy was uh was talking and um but you know with the idea that somebody may have had trouble they're not really known how to use uh
use the zoom or something like that I mean I wonder whether you know for like particularly elderly people you know some people really don't use computers very much that it might uh discourage them from uh you know trying to make any comments
or or have any input on the hearings or speak at the hearings if they don't know how to do it you know and we may not even know about that >> that's right we might not >> so I don't know it's just a thought
[Music] Um, a lot of times these days [Music] [Music] you think to public
[Music] Are we [Music] >> I don't think any case I mean I only knew she was having trouble because I was at I was talking to Bill when she came into town but that was before the And then she didn't
she was on [Music] realiz [Music] on the screen don't have access to the
same materials in the same way that we have online. So unless we have to vote for it, I would recommend something like when a hybrid meeting is appropriate, we'll have a hybrid meeting and when it's not appropriate, we won't,
>> you know, I think so. I also feel to me like Zoom is good. I mean, I think a lot more people have tuned into our since the old days, too. >> You think so? [Music] was back to the three of us.
John always thought we had a cold fall. >> Oh my gosh. There is there is [Music] >> I think we should just we'll continue to do it from we'll just and then we'll we can say if somebody's giving Bill a hard time
[Music] >> um one thing we do have to do is book authorize electronic signatures. [Music] wander down >> and you're always welcome. Yeah. >> People just sign the copy and scan and
send it or do you have like >> Yeah, usually you would submit one original with your signature. [Music] >> Yeah. Does it have to be more original? >> No.
The issue we have was it's finished. It's all goes to Bill. What I do in my practice is just upload [Music] a program like that. >> Doesn't matter for me. >> Yeah.
>> What does they do? There's no harder signs in person and everybody else has it as a copy. >> Um I don't think my my issue is that I don't think the registry of the is going to take a document that's signed by doc
[Music] >> all of them. >> Oh yeah. [Music] >> Okay. So, so Bill, can you check with the tech people to see how we can do that? >> Sure. We're working um on getting the
budget for our office for docuign. >> Yeah. >> Previously, it had been paid for um on the building commissioner's credit card. And >> he left last uh year. >> So, we're trying to build that into the
budget so that it'll just roll over automatically. We'll have that lined up. Thank my brothers. >> I'm going to confirm that take it >> because we recorded but we recorded through our title company. So I want to
make sure that the town itself [Music] >> wells attorney. [Music] >> Yeah, we do. Yeah. So vote in favor of electronics. All raise your hands and say I or no.
>> Hi. Anybody opposed? Okay. The motion >> l I admit it. I'm a l. >> Yeah, >> but I don't need it. So, you know, >> is I'm sorry if I missed what you said, but it would it still be possible to
vote in person or >> Yeah. So, if you wanted to if you weren't allowed, >> would you allow because I would probably still come by and sign it. Yeah. was a problem at the registry. There at least be one signature. Um the other problem
we have here is that you know you have to get it notorized sometimes notoriized. [Music] [Music] >> Yeah. Um, where is where is that like where is it? >> I'm gonna have minutes.
[Music] >> Yeah. >> And then those minutes will be posted on our website. >> Okay. and just electro [Music] >> um but I think
I need your state law to authorize yourself to sign [Music] >> yeah we I by says we can adopt rules >> now. Somebody had requested copies of those rules from the town and is
discussed. >> We don't have [Music] >> So, do you want to give us an update on your operational issues? You have any
issues? Um well just at this point uh it's mainly uh getting things scheduled in a timely manner. That's about it. >> So
would you be in favor of board moving to a schedule where we met every third [Music] >> if you think that can work practically? you know, uh, as far as do we still send
things to Jenny at that point or are we just going to have the every third week meeting to deal with all business that comes through? I I think I think part of the issue is I think it's a good suggestion
because for example I think you sent an email maybe late last week about something needing a hearing >> sort of drop dead to happen. I think it becomes difficult speaking for myself figure out
roughly when am I available that month I'm going to throw out dates. So I think having something like you know there are a couple of days or standing a standing day either every month or every other week >> where everybody knows those are the
hearing dates and then you know there's three of us available on that Thursday and three of us Thursday be one. >> Okay. So three would be the quorum. We wouldn't have to have more members each understand it. Um yeah, I mean that
could be I if you look at my calendar it's just you know September you know August were crazy you know everything was marked up. So but again you tell me how you want to operate and
I will do my best to make it happen. Part of the issue would be how often would you think you would need to assuming that Jes remains the same. The number of these matters go to J on a routine basis. >> The remaining matters if you said we
said >> it would be appropriate to meet the third Wednesday of every month standing meeting of the board of appeals, >> right? >> And then you would send out the email instead of saying have three people available to sit on this and let me know the date. The next meeting of the board of appeals
is Wednesday, November 13. >> Who's available to sit? >> Right. >> It's a little bit easier. I think everybody can do that. There's no >> oricular. >> Yeah. Regularly used to do three. >> Sure. Yeah. I mean, if we can use all
three hours of hearing, you know, to get through as much business as possible, I think that could work. Certainly, >> I'd be in favor of that. That way, you put it on a master calendar, people will know >> and the outside parties will know, too. So, when the client attorney is representing client, they
say, "Well, the next meeting, you know, they meet on Wednesdays or they meet on Thursday. >> Let's plan to as opposed to what I think happens now is we don't know." >> Right. >> Right. You know, now sometimes maybe that Wednesday won't work and I'm just picking as an example, but
>> yeah, >> I think that would be better. >> Certainly could be. Yeah, the back and forth on the emails does get a little bit chaotic. >> I think that makes sense. tends to be more consistent with most
>> just [Music] Mondays work for you because you've continue on Mondays. >> Mondays can work. You know, it's if we do have our four o'clocks, it can't be a long day, but that's fine.
>> The issue with Mondays to a lot of holidays, [Music] >> again, I'm available anytime, right? So, >> yeah, I'm just >> saying you're asking me what days work for me, and I've got to say Monday
through Thursday. So, what works for you all? second Tuesday. >> You want to try for Thursday? >> Yeah. Usual fine. >> Second Tuesday. Second Thursday of every
month. Okay. >> Does that work for the town? Is there a cadence of town meetings where it would be when >> uh to tell you the truth, I'm I'm not even sure. So I I'll need to look into
that. Well, we're meeting on Zoom. So, we're not >> No, I just think about there are people who tune in. [Music] >> Thursday's Border Apps night. Got to get out there.
>> I get a lot of people telling me, "Oh, yeah. I watch you every Saturday morning." >> Not for a while have I heard that. >> Huh? watching you on Saturday. >> Usually John
[Music] [Laughter] [Music] >> Okay. So, do we want to institute this for December? >> Sure. >> Well, vote on it, right? We just need to agree
that the board beginning effective um let's see it be effective December 11th. The board will begin to meet have a standing meeting
on the second Thursday of each month during the calendar year with other meetings to be scheduled as necessary. they will be basically the >> but otherwise we don't get any assuming that there wasn't
>> every other I'm sorry not every Thursday >> second >> every second every second Thursday so it would be December 11th January 8th February 12th >> one meeting
>> okay Yeah. >> Is that enough? >> August and September probably. >> It could be Jimmy. That was one of the reasons you can say
I don't know. >> Oh, maybe I I don't know. I don't know how many meets three people. since you've been doing that. >> Absolutely. >> Fantastic. >> So that that that could be enough. I have no idea. >> Yeah. And right now we have we only have
one, >> you know. So in the olden days >> that's right two or three >> in a given [Music] that's I think that's great and I think that's good for people too
>> 7 o'clock what time >> good because I put it in It's only lasting an hour though. >> And then speaking of all these emails, >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um N mentioned that we could get email addresses with town email addresses
instead of using your loved ones or your your dog email address or whatever people are using. Yeah, for me >> we just want to let you know there >> it's easier to get it into my system.
[Music] >> Why I say it? I don't know. So >> I already [Music] know I just wanted to make sure you know the offers out there. Um
question speaking of being able maybe this is actually qualify available online question but I was wondering whether it would make sense rather than bill sending us emails every time there was a
letter of support or the letter support materials instead of sending email if there was a repository like the Google drive let's say from um just for say where we could put them into the Google Drive for that case and you know maybe
we get a notification update but >> Oh that is the website we were talking >> yeah I'm just going to go >> that's why there >> just make sure you're not >> I didn't realize that
perfectly Um, no. So, they're all active appeals is where you go on the website. And here's a list of all the property.
[Music] >> Mostly I'm just worried [Music] what happens. Generally those uh documents go up with the address and the case number. Think
Johann case. I got slammed at the last minute. So I was just kind of throwing pics up there unfortunately. >> No, it is really actually that you sent out last week that would be up for December 11. I guess that would be
>> um I suppose so. Yeah. >> Yeah. There was a call for a threeperson board. Got the uh I think Valentine 123 Valentine Road. >> So on Valentine. >> Yeah. House. And uh just if I could
quickly note >> um the building commissioner is uh issuing a lot of denials lately uh based on intensification of non-conforming structures.
Um, I don't know if this is uh, you know, he's reading things that or enforcing things that weren't previously enforced, but he's telling me today that he has about a dozen denials coming down the pike over the next week. >> Of note, you know, and he says he would
like to discuss uh, seeing if they can open up the bylaw to deal with it on that level, but No. At >> this point, we are here. >> No. >> And we're going to see a lot of denies. >> Yeah, I know.
>> Makes the initial determination whether it needs special. >> Well, yeah, he they do a review for the building and the zoning. Um, and you know, he does the zoning reviews. So,
right now we're getting a high volume of people who are modifying their homes on existing non-conforming properties. I guess I'm gonna be busy. >> Joe used to I mean on that basis I don't
know this guy just hasn't been doing >> well we haven't >> increasing that's cases coming up on that. So I mean I haven't seen any in a long time because of you. Yeah, I I'm seeing them all the
time. >> The one on Pleasant Street was increasing, you know, finding, you know, >> yeah, that's essentially the same standard special. >> Yeah. set back in height.
So we need the variance intensification intensification that special that's unfortunate. Well, the problem is I mean I know MCA and other stuff about this
town. It's you know we give out [Music] >> choice. [Music] Um anyway, so anything else anybody wanted to mention right up
[Music] to a thank you all for coming. Um but take a motion to adjourn. >> All right. Thanks. [Music]