Okay. So, I'm going to call this meeting to order. This is a board of health meeting. It's June 1st and I'm going to do some introductions. My name is Caroline Canella. I am the health director. I'm going to go around to my staff and then the board members.
Carolyn. >> Hello. Assistant health director. >> Assistant health director. And Jean >> Jean Peterson, clerk. >> And Laura >> Laura Richards, chair. >> Deborah. >> Deborah Milbower, board of health
member. >> And Mary Stenson, our other board of health member. Um couldn't make it tonight. So Deborah Milbower and Laura Richards will be voting. And I see town council Alex, >> he's here.
>> Yes. Good evening. Alex Whitesight from KP Law. >> Thank you for coming, Alex. >> And um David Clenard, are you representing Collins Engineering? >> Uh yes, I am. Yep.
>> Okay. Thank you. Okay. So number two on our agenda tonight is uh citizens speak. Is there anyone for citizen speak tonight? No. Seeing no one for citizens speak, we'll move along to number three,
approval of the minutes from April 13th, April 30th, and May 6th. And tonight, I'm going to table the minutes because our third member of the board, Mary Stenson, was unable to make the meeting. So tableabling those minute approvals until our next meeting.
So moving on to number four is 621 Harland Street. It's a local upgrade approval. This is the request the local upgrade approval from section 310 CMR15.212 212 of the state sanitary code which
requires a minimum of 4 ft of vertical separation between seasonal high ground water in the bottom of the soil absorption system with a percolation rate of greater than 2 minutes per inch. The applicant requests approval to allow reduction from the 4T to 3 ft. That's
the first request. Request number two is a variance in in accordance with D policy number BRP/DWM/P-P0000-1 to allow the percolation rate to be established using the grain size civ analysis distribution. These variances
are requested by the applicant Steven Hennessy and the board is to discuss and vote to approve. And I just wanted to say uh that Paul Brognner who's our septic consultant um would like the board to approve the plan on the
condition of approval which includes there will be no increase in flow. So it's just three bedrooms and that the asbuilt plan include the finished grades over the soil absorption system. So I'm going to ask Mr. Mr. David
Clinard >> to um >> let me see if I can do you have the plans in front of you so >> Yes, I do. Um if you can share the screen y >> you just let me know when and I'll think I'm sharing my screen. Can you
help me Caroline? I see your screen, Caroline. I think you just >> I'm trying to allow um David to share his screen. >> Okay, one second. >> Go up here.
>> Do you want me to pull up the plan? The septic plans, Caroline? Yes. Okay. One second. Good. Yep. >> Caroline, can you stop sharing your screen? >> Yeah. try.
Yep. Great. I stopped sharing my screen. Are you able to see it? Caroline, sorry. I'm trying to get um into the health drive. I just had to log on to the um
It's not working. I think I gave you permission, David, to share your screen if you happen to Yoshi. >> Let's see if this works. See if that works. Yeah, it doesn't want me to. Okay. Okay, I think I have it here.
Perfect. Can everyone see the screen? Mhm. Would you like to explain a little bit to the board about the two requests? David, I think you're muted. >> Oh, yes, you are. Yeah,
>> David, if you're talking, we can't hear you. There we go. >> I think I just did it. Can you hear me now? >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah, I was uh on the shared area. I was muted. So, okay. So, um what what this is a uh failed system. We have two
pits in the back. There's a pit right here and there's a pit up here. Um they'll be decommissioned and and um they'll be filled and pumped. >> Sorry, David. I I apologize. When you say up here and over here, we can't see where you mean. So, maybe can you see
this? Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm on this screen. I'm pointing to my screen on the right. I'm sorry. >> All right, that's my bad. So, let me just zoom up here a little bit if I can. >> Thank >> Okay, so there's a pit here and there's
a pit here. They will be decommissioned in place. >> Sorry. I'm sorry. I We don't see our cursor. I think that's what I meant to say. >> Can you see the cursor? >> I don't see it. Do you guys see it? >> No, I don't see it. So, if you could
just maybe describe where you're referring to. >> All right. Yeah, I I can see the cursive. I'm sorry that you can't see it. I don't know why it's not showing up. Um, so the existing pits are in the back of the house. They're between the
house and where we're going to place our system. Um, those pits we won't interfere with. They'll be abandoned in place, uh, pumped and filled with sand. Uh the existing tank you can see behind the house. Uh we're going to replace
that tank with a 1500gallon two compartment tank. Um we'll have this system going out to the back of the property along a rather steep hill. Um if I zoom up on the steep hill, if you can see that.
Let me see if I can zoom up a little bit. Well, it doesn't want me to zoom up. Um, but there is a there's a hill back there uh with some trees in front of the system and there's some trees in the back of the system. The reason why we're
asking for a four to three is to keep the grading from those trees in front. We will be losing some trees to the side and to the rear of the prop of this system. Um if we can keep the um system
3 ft above, we can we don't have to grade into those trees that are in front of the system. Um you'll notice that the pits are in the front uh on the edge of the uh leeching field. As the leeching field goes down the hill, uh the back of
the leeching field will certainly be um over 4t above the water table. It's just asking for a waiver for the front to try to save some of those trees and of course save some of the construction cost and bringing in more fill. Uh the second uh variance was for the civ
analysis. Uh the soil is very damp out there. Um and we had a lab in East do the civ analysis for the design rate or do you have any questions? I I don't have any. >> Um I don't either. I'm deferring to our
expert who's in advising us. Thank you for that description. It was very helpful though. I appreciate that you're trying not to cut the trees down. Um but why don't I move to approve uh
these variances and plan but uh as long as there are no there'll be no increase in the flow and that the asbuilt plan include the finished grades over the soil absorption system. All in favor? I
>> I >> All right. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you so much. >> Okay. Moving on to number five. Is a public hearing requested by Gear regarding four Craig Street. Emergency condemnation order was issued on May
19th, 2026. Absolutely. >> It's been determined this building is unfit for human habitation in accordance with MGL laws C 111 and 127B and 105 CMR 410 discussion and potential
ratification of emergency condemnation order discussion and vote by the board of health. And I have some um some background information about this property. Um
when um our correction our last correction order went out on May 19th um Miss Girth Pier asked us um if she could come to the hearing u and she's allowed to do that request a hearing and
she submitted a written request to the Milton Health Department to come to this hearing tonight. I just want to go back a little bit on our timeline for Craig Street. So, initially in 2024, um we received an anonymous call about
rodent activity. At that time, my my um staff went out, but they didn't see anything from the public view of the street. Then, um fast forward to January 6, 2026. The health department got an anonymous complaint about a car flipped
on its side in the backyard of Fort Craig Street. Um they went out at that time and they took some pictures. Um the backyard was very concerning with significant debris, trash and bulk items and there was also obstructions um to
the balcony which was an eress. So our first letter, the health department letter went out on January 9th um the first notice um to clean up the property. Um also pictures were also sent to the police and fire so they could also be in
the loop. And then in February, February 10th, 2026, a second letter was sent because it had been past the 30 days that we hadn't heard. So a second letter went out and um that was not responded to
and on or about April 3rd, a third letter was sent out um via regular and certified mail. All these are regular and certified mail and uh all of the letters went unanswered and no action was taken.
And then we got um the town administrator involved and um we had already been talking with the building department and at that point an administrative search warrant was um was well we talking with Tom Council and Michael
White who's the building commissioner and and then uh Tom Council filed for an administrative search warrant which was granted and we had 10 days um to search the property. So um many of us many staff um from the health department from
building fire the assistant town administrator police officers we went to the property on May 19th and uh knocked on the doors and uh no one answered. Um at that time there was some pictures taken of some concerning findings, some
loose electrical wires that were appearing inside the house. questionable leakage of sewage. There was debris, trash, and bulk items that had been photographed. And at that time, town council
um recommended that the health department issue an emergency condemnation order, which we went out to the house and we put the emergency condemnation order on all the doors. And let's see. And then we did get in
touch with um Gera's daughter um day who's here with us tonight. And um we also had a town council serve all the legal documents to Gera um regarding this case. And we also um emailed um FA
to say that um all the occupants are required to vacate. That was on the emergency condemnation order. And I'm just going to read um one of the one of our codes in the housing code 410900.
When a residence or portion thereof has been condemned and placards as unfit for human habitation and the occupant of a condemned dwelling unit or roaming unit is not the owner of the residence, the owner shall provide comparable suitable housing for the occupant for the following time period or whichever is
shortest. the remaining term of the lease or rental period, such time as the residence is deemed suitable for habitation by the board of health, such time as the occupant finds alternative permanent housing and voluntarily terminates tenency. Um, we did myself and Carolyn Ho,
assistant health director, went out today and we were met by Gera um and allowed to go inside and take some pictures uh and do a walkthrough inspection. Um, we've sent those pictures to the board and I believe to town council. I don't know if you can
pull those up, um, Caroline, and we can kind of go through some of the pictures. >> The pictures from today, Caroline. >> Yes. >> Okay, give me one second. Were you Was everyone able to see the timeline or document that I was sharing? >> Yes. Yes.
>> Okay, good. Okay, let me pull up the pictures now. One second. >> Thank you, Carolyn. Okay, I have the one drive open and I can go through them. It's just a little difficult because I can't like there's an arrow for me to continuously go through next. So, I'm going to have to
like open the photo and then close it and then open another one. Um, but I can't go to um not the beginning of the photos. I know you took over 180 photos, but maybe towards the end. So, the concern um there was a number of concerns when we went uh to for Craig
Street. The first floor has three bedrooms. >> Can you guys see my screen? >> Yeah. And the um in the basement is was very concerning. >> Okay. Flip some of those pictures in the basement. Okay. So, this was one of the refrigerators in
the basement. Um, that's one. Hope you can pull them up so you can see it. >> Are you able to see it? >> I see it. It's very small. It's not.
Yeah, >> it's very small. Can you maybe enlarge the screen? >> It's um full screen on my end. So, I'm not sure why it's very tiny on your guys's end.
>> Cuz I think the window you're opening up is not shared. If you go back to the share and share your whole screen as opposed to just the document, you know, >> entire screen. Is that better? >> Yes. >> Okay, perfect. Um, this is right in the
kitchen area as well >> in the basement. >> Yeah. Um, this is the refrigerator. Again, this was what partly what the building commissioner was concerned about, just
like the loose electrical wires, not in a >> in a box. Um, some of the cabinets are in really rough shade. Um, the bathroom
there was a very strong odor, bad odor I would say, coming from the bathroom. And I don't know if it's because of the trash can there, if there's mold. Um, >> there's cracks on the floor. Yeah,
>> cracks on the floor. I'm trying to find a better picture. Um, this was the state of one of the showers. The tile over here on the right side, that like black tile that's missing. This is the cracks on the bathroom
floor. I'm concerned about these holes just like these big gaps that potential rodents could enter from into um bedrooms. This was one of the bedrooms. The
bedrooms are quite small. Um, one of the concerns me and Caroline have is they're using like space heaters for heating element and majority of these rooms have a um small refrigerator or microwave
unit. >> Then there's no fire detectors. >> It kept like beeping while we were there. So, that's a sign that they're either not completely functional or they need new batteries, which is also very concerning. Um, a lot of
just loose mattresses throughout the entire building. This was one of the rooms that they said they were in the middle of cleaning up from. Nice my sound. >> This is the garage. Um, they said they
were also trying to put these things in storage and clean up. Another mattress. Um, they're also in the middle of cleaning the outside. Um, the original pictures from the backyard
are in our original correction orders, but this is the state that it was in today when we were there this morning. I believe this was the pipe that Michael White was referring to when he said it was leaking sewage, potential sewage
just on the floor. I believe Gera said they were in the middle of um removing the pipe, but I'm not entirely sure. I'm also not familiar if this is in connection to that other pipe, but I just saw this sticking out from the
ground. Um, the B get cleaned. I'm trying to find that picture. We were concerned about the egresses and just the access to the outside from the balcony cuz there were a lot of furniture and bulk items on there, but
that did get cleaned up. I see the balcony on the bottom here. >> Bottom >> right there. You got like partially it. I was um taking pictures of the wires that was coming up from there. Yeah, >> that's pretty much it. Unless you think
I there's a certain picture I'm missing, Caroline. No, I think I think the biggest um safety concerns was um the um you know, no batteries in one in some of the um the smoke detectors were even
knocked off the wall. Um and wires were coming out. Uh so there's safety with the fire detectors. Uh it was unsanitary living conditions throughout. There was um those wires that we don't know um where they're
going to if they're live. I think the concern was building said there might be live wires. Um and there was a terrible terrible odor. Um we both had masks on. I'm not exactly sure where that was all coming from, but
um the quality the air quality in the house was very poor. H um FA did mention that pest control was scheduled to come out tomorrow. When we were emailing initially initially last week, I did say that was one of the
three like major priorities to get straight. Um because that was one of the complaints when we were getting calls, anonymous calls that they were then starting to have rodent problems. And it was photographed that there was a rat inside the house, a dead rat um that
the building commissioner photographed. >> Right. So it was um safety risk and unsanitary conditions in the house. >> Alex, do you um would you like to say something at this point?
Uh, sure. Thank you, Caroline. Um, so, you know, it sounds to me like there are still pretty significant concerns here. U, I think, as everyone on the board probably knows, the standard for condemnation is whether
the dwelling dwelling is um, fit for human habitation. Um, and you know, I it's for the members of the board to determine, but uh sounds like there's still some some serious problems here
that need to be addressed before uh before it would be habitable, a safe condition. >> And there there were two people in the basement. Um, one person uh was in the basement and he said he'd
been living there for 9 years. Uh, and the other person was in the basement, too. And he lived there, too, he said. So, there was two people there that we witnessed. >> Are there any more, Carolyn? >> Um, not that we witnessed, but we did
witness that there was a number of doorways into bedrooms. And did you count? Was it five, Caroline, that had the numbers 1 2 3 4 5? >> Yes, I believe it was either five or six. Each door had um a specific number
marked on the door as if they were apartments. I I took pictures of those if you wanted me to bring them up as well. >> Give me one second. >> So, one other thing I that I would note is and this isn't this doesn't fall
within uh the board of health's purview necessarily, but um but there there's a zoning issue here as well. Um you know, obviously having this many different
tenants live in a single family dwelling is very concerning uh from a and not permissible from a zoning perspective. Um so that's a separate issue that will need to be addressed as well. Are you able to see my screen?
>> Yes. >> That was two. Um, >> this is three. >> Did you get inside any of those rooms to see if they were occupied or >> I believe we entered all of them. One of
um, one gentleman's room, he opened it up for us cuz it was locked. he was there and he opened it up for us. Another room had a gentleman living there. We he was inside the room and he was able to open the door and let us in. Um I believe Fang Gerta said this one
occupant refused to leave even after the notice. So I'm concerned about that because his room again I believe had the mini fridge and the microwave and we're concerned with the lack of smoke detectors. Anything could happen in there.
>> Mhm. Um, this is another room. This is four. This one was five. But when we went into the other rooms, um, nothing, no one was in there and it was pretty bare. It was like a mattress and they were cleaning
up. >> So, I believe five total. And there's three rooms upstairs, but I believe Gera occupies one of the rooms. So, there's two residents upstairs. Okay, >> Martha and Fay, would you like to speak
now? >> Hi. Uh, good evening. Um, I wanted to thank you guys for hearing our appeal tonight. My name is Fay. As mentioned, I'm Ga's daughter. um who resides at Fort Craig Street. First, I do want to
acknowledge the concerns raised by the health department. We understand the importance of maintaining um safe and healthy living and we fully recognize the important I'm sorry of healthy living conditions and we've treated this matter with the utmost seriousness since
being served the order. Since that time, we've worked diligently to address issues identified. We have undertaken substantial cleanup um efforts including removal of debris. Uh we filled a
20 yard dumpster I believe it was and we was able to fill a 10 by 15 storage unit um by removing debris and items from the home. Um we've also coordinated with contractors to come out. U we've had some come out. We have um a walk through
with uh Michael White, as you mentioned, uh the building inspector on Thursday the 4th. Um we have coordinated pest control as you stated. Uh they're coming by tomorrow. Um and we've just been boots on the ground
every day just cleaning up as much as we can. Um we respectfully request that the board consider not only the current conditions of the property Take your time. >> Um, >> take your time.
>> Thank you. >> Um, we respectfully request that the board consider not only the current conditions of the property, but also the substantial progress that has been achieved um, within a relatively short notice. Um, literally the moment we were served, um,
as much as of of us can, we, uh, head over there and did what we could up until this, uh, very day. Um, and we're continued to commending and completing all necessary corrective actions. We also asked the board to take into consideration my mother's medical
circumstances. Um she's currently facing a few health conditions at the moment where being unhoused would would contribute a hardship for her. Um our intentions is not to avoid responsibility. Rather we seek to
continue working collaboratively with the town of Milton to bring the property into full compliance while minimizing undue hardship. Um thank you for your time. >> Thank you. or do you have any questions or town council?
>> Um, town council, did you want to say anything? >> Uh, no. I'm happy to happy to answer any questions, but um again I think the the question for the board members to
consider is uh you know whether the house in its current condition is is fit for human habitation. Um and if the answer is yes, then um I think it would be reasonable to lift the condemnation
order. If the answer is no, then um I think it needs to remain in effect. >> Uh these pictures were taken today, correct? >> Yes. >> So it seems to me it's not habitable or safe. >> So I'm sorry. Can I also say one more
thing? Those pictures were taken today. However, after Miss Caroline and Carolyn left, um while they were there, we did have um junk removal come in. And I wish I would have had emailed the pictures before the hearing, but they were empty able to empty out the entire garage. Um,
most of the debris in the back have been hauled away and they'll be back tomorrow. But if you guys allow me, I could definitely send over pictures and videos after the meeting. >> But it's more the inside of the house that would be unsafe habitation,
not the garage and the backyard. And it looks to me like >> smoke detectors. If you allow me, I can definitely have that situated tonight. It's nothing for me to run over to Home Depot and have somebody um install them.
And I um also want to put out there that if we knew these issues um to the degree that they were, we would have definitely been hands-on. But I was not aware of the smoke detectors. These are like little minute things that can be fixed and um unfortunately they weren't fixed,
but it is something that we're we're going to correct as soon as tonight if you allow them. >> I I don't I don't think it's habitable even with the smoke detectors is ways for rodents to get in. There's dead rodent in the
house. I I just >> think that we shouldn't lift the condemnation order yet. What do you think, Deborah? >> So, let me just say I'm so sorry you're going through this. I imagine it's very stressful and I appreciate that you
shared all that you did, what you said. It was very helpful to understand. Um, so I appreciate that and I'm sorry you're going through this. Um so these orders are really around keeping you
safe in terms of the the electrical wires are concerning to me. Um and um the pes you know the rodent situation uh and so
uh so the wiring is a fire hazard. So it it is a concern for you and the folks who are living in the home. Um and you said the egress was clear. That is also a
egresses are blocked. So I'm glad to hear that it was clear. I am concerned about the air quality especially given your mom's health you said. Um so that that does concern me. And um uh
I'm just looking at my list. um of items. So the my understanding and I'm still learning the steps of how condemnation order works, but my understanding is that if
you and please let me and and please correct me if I'm wrong, if you stay somewhere else temporarily, um a hotel or with friends, um and actually there's a social worker in the health department who can also
meet with you and help you sort out some temporary um you know help help you figure out things that you might need in the meantime. Not saying she can solve all the answers, but she might be able to sit down and work through some of these temporary issues and until you're
able to repair everything. And my question is this, what's the timeline um if they got the wires fixed and the um and had pest control come and clean the house and had repairs to the holes
in the walls and repair the plumbing, the the sewage leakiness is of concern to me also. So, if we went down that whole list and everything was taken care of, how long does it take to come in and do another inspection to declare it
habitable? I'm just trying to get a sense um of how long this temporary period would be. Like, let's say they fixed everything in two weeks. Does the town send somebody over to declare it to to inspect it at that
point and then it becomes habitable. How does it become habitable? What's the timeline for that? >> Yeah. So, well, after all the repairs are done, then they can call the health department and we're happy to go out and do a repeat inspection.
>> Okay. So, um, so assuming that you're saying you can get all the repairs done, or do you think you'd be able to do all of that, be able, the wiring, the
plumbing, all of that? >> Absolutely. I've spoken to contractors. I have press coming out tomorrow. Um, I have laborers able to help me with necessary um, cleaning and debris removal.
I believe it's something that we can do. >> All right. So, what I'm getting at is really it's not just it's it's your own safety in terms of a fire hazard and in terms of the air quality and safety hazard and sewage and all that, but also fire hazard for the neighbors. You know,
you have houses that abut, you know, that are next to you. And so it's it really so the condemnation order really I know it feels awful that to keep you safe and your neighbors safe and your family safe. Um and so I would say if um
I I I think that I I think it is important to get the repairs done immediately and to make it habitable. So, I would support this, but I would also say that there is a social worker at the health department
to um maybe help you find um um to come up with a plan to talk through if you need somebody to help you talk through with like a temporary plan until you can get everything settled cuz I appreciate this is probably really disruptive obviously, but it's also really around
safety and I think that's ultimately the bottom line as hard as that is. I know that uh the building commissioner I think is coming on Thursday also to the property um to meet with some contractors. That true, Bertha? Lisa? Yeah.
>> Okay. >> I I think another concern is the two people that are living in the basement. Uh, and what will happen to them? >> And if one man is refusing to leave, how do we get him out? Like, do we call the
police? Do the police have to come in and remove him? So, um my mom has taken the necessary step of um calling the police and I believe they guided her to go to um a courthouse, a housing court and she was able to do that um a few
days ago actually. >> But isn't there someone still in there? >> Yeah, he's he's just outright refusing to leave, >> right? So, how would we get him out of there? I'm going to call >> town council may be able to answer that question. I don't know.
>> Uh yeah. So um the police do have the authority under the sanitary code to forcibly remove occupants. Um but generally they are hesitant to do so in my experience
unless there's a a court order um saying they can do so. Um so one option would be to proceed to housing court to get a court order um you know authorizing the police to forcibly remove
anyone who's still living there. >> Mhm. Okay. Do do you feel safe from the tenants? >> Your mother feels safe. She shared with me that she does not. >> Okay. So maybe also the social worker
can help you with that situation as well. I don't know Caroline um >> at least just to Yeah, that cuz I worry for you for that as well.
Um, so I guess uh tomorrow the next course of action aside from getting the contractors out would be heading to um housing court and trying to get that court order or following up to see um if there any if there's anything else that they need from her. Okay.
Does a board want to ratify the emergency accommodation order that was originally um posted? >> I I move that we do so. >> Um I move that we do so also, but I want to make sure you have support making a
temporary plan and um to do that. I don't know if the social workers available tomorrow if you need help doing that or you could do that on your own like to relocate. We would definitely appreciate some guidance from that social worker.
I'll >> um if you can if you can contact us, we'll put you in contact with Ann Gman and also your um the two people that live in the basement. Um if they speak another language, we have a language line and the health department so they
can call us. So, um, regarding responsibilities of the people that are in there, uh, town council, can you review that a little bit that the, um, landlord has the responsibility to potentially rehouse the two people that
are in the basement or help with housing in that case? >> Yes, that is a requirement of the sanitary code. Um pending a condemnation any tenants need to be provided alternative housing by the landlord.
>> Um we are um aware of that sanitary code and she was able to secure uh permanent housing for the gentleman who also refused that as well. >> Oh. So board, you made the motion um to keep
the emergency condemnation in force. Do you want to second that and vote individually? >> Um I had one more question before. Um so when does that take effect? When would they have to be out? >> Well, the order says vacate within 24
hours. >> Okay. They should be out already. >> They should be out already. Yeah, we put it on their door on May 19th and they're they're still there. >> Oh, okay. All right.
Yeah. Um, I know this is this is um hard, but I I I I will um support the um the order to ratify the condemnation
and urge you just to get support to make a temporary plan as soon as you can. >> Okay. So, all in favor? I >> I >> Okay. >> Do you have any uh final questions
before we move ahead in the agenda? >> Growth and pay. >> No, we're almost Thank you. >> Okay. Yeah. Reach out to the health department tomorrow and we can put you in touch with our community health social worker Ann Gman. >> Do you know where it is? Do you know where the health department is?
>> No, I was just going to Google. So, do you know where Town Hall is in Milton? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, it's in Town Hall. Um, when you walk into the lobby, you go to your left. >> Okay. >> And it's down that hallway.
>> All right. >> But call first. Call first to make sure that she has a a a private space and is is ready and will be available. So, make sure you call first. >> I will. >> Did you need the phone number?
>> Yeah, sure. Please. That's 617 >> 8984886. That's the main line. And you can call that number tomorrow and we'll have Ann set up an appointment in a private space for you.
>> Okay. Thank you so much. >> And if you're if you're the people that live downstairs, if they would like to also call, they can call and we can get a language line. >> Okay. >> For them. I'll let them know. >> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. Thanks for coming on.
>> I I have one question. Sorry. Do you know what language your tenants in the basement speak? Just in case we need to queue up the language line if they do call >> Haitian creation. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Carolyn.
Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. So, we'll um >> All right. Thanks, everyone. Take care. >> Move on. Thank you, Alex, for coming. I appreciate your guidance. >> Gerta and Fay, good luck to you both. >> Thank you. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, we're going to move along to uh number six, 107-11 Highland Street. Request for condemnation of buildings. Discussion and potential vote to condemn. and um
Superintendent Joe, >> I'm so sorry to interrupt you. Um that they have signed off. So I I um I'm going to take this opportunity to say that at the end of our meeting, I'm going to ask to put on our agenda a
discussion about some protocol around condemnations and how to help people and sort of some standard practice and and ask some questions. So I'm I'll do that at the end. I didn't want to say that while they were still on. And also maybe suggest that we use executive session
for condemnations in the future for people who come who we know are coming to the call, but um I don't know if you've done that before in the past. >> We've never done that before in the past. >> No. So maybe um we can put that and talk
about it for our next agenda when Mary's here. Is that okay? >> Yeah, I'll talk to it. >> Great. Thanks. All right. Go ahead. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Go ahead. >> Um Ashley, I know that um Nurmala is here and she's been waiting patiently.
Do you want to move um um seven up to hold on six and go to seven first because Nurmala's been waiting here patiently? >> Yes. >> So, we'll move to seven and then I'll go back. >> Great idea. >> Okay. So 464 granite is a request for a
body art permit for eyebrow micro blading by Nurmala Remnarian and her business is Malaroid PMU it and she's requesting a variance regarding a wall separation or partition in the office and approval of the body art
establishment and practitioner permit. Um so um I see you here Nurmala uh maybe you can tell us a little bit about yourself. So to our board members also about um the process. We've had you submit so much information and to
permanize our permitting system uh including um your anatomy and physiology um reports, your training hours, your afterare procedures, your bloodborne pathogens, CPR, hepatitis B, your
license, drawing of your um office space, I can go, etc., etc., etc. Um, and I know Carolyn has always has been very helpful. >> She was very helpful. It was a long process >> trying to It's a lot a lot of work um getting all that information up into the
portal and um so maybe I'll I'll let you take it away and and tell us a little bit about um what your business is and kind of explain how to do the eyebrow microb blading. >> Okay. So my business is um permanent makeup for your eyebrows or you can call
it micro brilliant, micro shading. So, if you have thinning eyebrows, you want to have the perfect look of your eyebrows. It's not it's not tattoo, it's like a form of a tattoo because we're not going so deep into your skin like a tattoo goes. So, and when you have the your eyebrows
done, it should be lasting you about a year to two years and you can come back for another touchup to have it last more longer. So when you first have it done, you have to come back in 30 days for the touchup. So it can last you a year and two years.
So it all depends on your skin type and your your shape of your eyes, your face, everything to have that look you're looking for. So you have that wake up and go look in the morning and to spend more hours on your eyebrows to make it up. So I don't know what other questions you
want to ask me. It's my first time trying to open a business after I've been working 18 years in hospitality in a hotel. I need to get away from that to start my own business. >> Okay, that's great. Maybe you can explain a
little bit about all the training and uh all the um hours that you worked to achieve this. Yeah. So, our training is that every month we have to work on clients to do their eyebrows and we have to make sure we get overlooked by the teacher to make sure we're doing it the
perfect way and asking and the step by step how you going to open your business and how you going to be treating your clients. So, we have that training in that do your intake form asking the health questionnaires all that. I have all that down. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I have sorry I have some of um like the paperwork and forms and um normal certificates if you want me to share my screen so you guys have a better visual. >> Sure. >> Can you guys see my screen? >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Um this was her completion from Mass College of Liberal Arts. Um, I believe this is where she went to her micro bleeding school, Adriana's Academy. >> Yes, >> her certificate there.
Um, believe this is her afterare instructions. I was kind of working back and forth with her with that. Um, we have a rubric that we based off of. So, anything that was missing, um, like the consult healthc care provider portion, she did go ahead and add those. like
anything that I saw was missing based off the rubric, she did go ahead and add those. She just renewed her bloodborne pathogen certificate. Um, she had it last year as well, but it just expired because I think they're only valid for a year. So,
she just got that renewed as well. This is the client and consultation form. So, this is where all the health care questions are asked just so people um can see if they're eligible for it. And there's a section for if you're under 18 or not.
I don't know if you guys are still reading. Do you want me to go next or if you're next for me? >> Okay. Okay. Um, she also has her CPR training, which is always a plus. It's not required, but it's good that she has it. Um, this is just proof of her B
vaccination. Um, this is one of our product like manufacturing sheets. We do like to have like a SDS safety data sheet binder for any chemicals used. Um, so she has that
for her inks. There's ingredients in the ink. So, if anyone has any allergies, they can always refer to that as well. Um, this is the setup picture that she uploaded. I believe this is the space that she's planning that she's renting
currently um in Granite A. So, she's just she's ready to go. She's just waiting for this. >> Is that your current setup? That's what your office looks like now. >> You're on mute, Nal. >> Sorry. Yes, that's how my office look
like now. >> Excuse me. >> Yeah, >> she did say she planned on using single use needles, which is the cartridges. Yes. >> Yeah. Um and then this is just an
example of the services that she offers. And this is what the empty space looked like. Um and I believe her variance is because the way her office is set up. Um there's not a wall like a wall to
ceiling solid wall blocking off the waiting room area versus where she'll be doing her procedures. Um the previous micro blading place person who applied um when we went into his office there is a solid
wall separating the two like his desk area versus where his procedures were but I don't believe her office space has that. So she's asking for the variance to use a partition to separate the two. >> So um >> any questions?
>> Yes. So good for you for starting your own business. That's always scary and a lot of work and you clearly have done a lot of training and prep. So congratulations for getting to this point. That's very exciting. So um my question I have two questions uh and a
comment. One has to do with um sort of the needle. So the single use needles is it like a tattoo needle or >> um it's a small cartridge that you attach to actually this machine. This is like the electric machine that we use. You put the needle right in here. It's
like a small little tiny needle that's to do the tattooing. So the ink is in the cartridge and you're just using the same one the whole time. >> Exactly. So the ink you you you dip it into the ink and inserts. And this is a
disposable micro blading to do micro blading for your eyebrows. So there's two process on how you do eyebrows like a micro blading it or you do with the um the manual or your electric machine. >> And so what do you do with the disposal of the needles? How do you dispose of
the needles? >> I have um storage. >> I have have that, but Medics Yes. That's a box to dispose it in. So, I have a contract already set up to pick up the needles. >> Oh, good. >> Yes. Okay. So, it's a safe needle box.
You can't >> Yes. >> Yeah. Great. That's great. Um and then my other question has to do with um confidentiality. So I think the wall I assume has to do with um giving privacy to the client you're
working on. Is that right? And so >> I I know but it's by appointments only as well. But I I already spoke to Caroline. She was telling me what what if somebody comes in early and they have to wait for their turn and stuff like that. That's what was asking for a partition because I do have a product partition there already. But I can also
have like how the hospital have the curtain around the bed as a partition well on the wall on top. I can put that up because I do have that. I'm just waiting for approval. But that's okay to put it up. >> So, but the the will be still found. It
won't be that fully private. It'll be partially private. visually private, but not that folks could still hear if they're sitting on the other side of the practitioner of the curtain. >> It's not a medical procedure, is it?
>> No, it's not. So, they don't really >> It's okay if they're hurt. It's not a privacy matter as far as >> they need. Yeah. >> You know, >> HIPPA doesn't apply. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um
um so that's one thing. And is the space big enough for a partition and for a chair? >> Yes, I already have a partition there already, a metal one. But it's just that I just need one to come over and look at it to see if it's approved. It's okay
how it is. That's like a if they need to put something else up, I will put it up. So, if we vote and approve it tonight, um Carolyn, are you going over and inspecting it before it's final? What's the order of things?
>> So, I'll I'll answer that question. Yes, we have to go over and do an inspection, make sure everything looks okay. We can take a picture of that partition. We can send it to you so you could approve it tonight on condition that you accept the partition way the way it looks.
>> Yeah, I I don't need to see it. You I trust that you guys will determine if it's appropriate or not. Yeah, that's fine. That that sounds good. Um I'm happy to support you and getting your business finally moving along. It's very exciting. the the the last thing I was
going to say, the very small comment is I found um a typo in one of your in the form for the consultation form. >> Okay. >> So, um just I I can tell Caroline later. >> Okay. I'd like to know what it is
because I'm like I'm very strict in my errors too. >> Yes. So, um Yes. So, I can uh I can Which form was it a consultation form? >> Yeah. Yeah. If you want to pull it up, I can totally show you. I just don't want
to use up our use up a lot more time. >> Yeah. So, you see on the top left where your No, the very very top where it says Maloy and you have permanent is spelled wrong. >> P E R M A. Oh, there's an I in there.
>> No, there shouldn't be. There should be an N. >> Yeah. >> Wait a minute. >> No, it's an A there. That's an A. >> Per. >> But there's an I per.
>> Okay, that's okay. Then my finger must have touched something on that cuz my other form has the right has spelled the right way. >> You've done so much work and >> I know. Okay, that form then >> you're you're almost there. So, I'm ready to vote. I I I really want to wish
you the best of luck. And Caroline, thank you for all your hard work working with her to get everything done. >> All right. Well, I move we vote to give her the variance. >> I second that.
>> All in favor? I I Thank you. >> Also vote to um approve the practitioner permit and the body art establishment. Um, >> okay. I move >> Yeah,
>> I move to approve the permit and um the body art establishment. >> Yes, I move so as well. And um looking forward to the town of Milton having another new business.
>> I hope to see you guys there. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> And good luck. >> Be in touch. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Uh next uh agenda item is septic system plan review fee increase to cover the
cost of consultant Paul Brogna discussion and vote to increase fees. So, presently the fees are at $400 and that's not covering U. Paul Brogna, our septic consultants fees.
I don't know. Um I I sent I sent it to you, but I think it's also in our in the drive, Carolyn. >> Oh, good. I don't have my phone on me. >> That's okay. Jean had made a list, I think last year, of how much it's costing um for Paul Bragna on different uh
addresses. Do we have that in there? Septic across there. That's great. Oh, there. There it is. Thank you. >> Yay. So this is um kind of a look to see the average cost of um Paul Grognner's
review of the septic plans depending on the complexity of the plan and then there's revisions. So it gets as high as I think the highest is about $900. Um, so I did I did talk to the
accounting accountants and they said to and Nick too administrator Nick Milano and he said to increase it because we want to make sure that um we're not paying um Paul Bragna before we get the money ahead of time. Uh, and if it's,
let's say, we we increase it up from 400 to a,000 or up to 1,200, even 1,500, it can always be um after the after the permit plans the plans are looked at. If there's um if it only cost $800, then we
can refund. And we have about we definitely have less than 12 um septics a year. We don't have that many septic systems. So, um, we can do the reimbursement, but we're trying to get the money on the front end so we can Paul pay Paul Bragna
for his services. So, uh, it's up to you if you wanted to increase it. As I said, I think 900 910 was the highest tier, but of course, prices are always going up. Um, >> I think we should, um,
make it say 1,500 rather than have to come back next year. And it looks like we're always raising the fee. I would just go with the 1,500 in the hopes that that would cover everything as they get the money back anyway.
>> Yeah, they get the money back. Can I add something that might be a little useful because I am the one doing um like the permitting stuff on the back end and working with the engineers and the septic installers. So Paul is
starting his work when a engineer submits septic plans if a septic system fails or is in need of an upgrade. So that's when Paul starts reviewing and that's when he starts billing because he's reviewing these complex plans to make sure they're all up to title five.
Um, and with the original fee that we're on now, we're charging these engineers $400 at first and they can pay the $400 and the plan was the rest of the invoice that Paul sends if it's over $400, the
septic installer, who's a different person, will go in and pay the rest of the fee. That's how we broke it up. But the problem that I'm foreseeing that we didn't foresee last time we voted on this is you can the plan can get approved pretty quickly, but it could
take like months or sometimes people even wait like a year to get it installed and then the installer will not pay his permit fee until that's done. So the the lag of the in between could be a lot too which could be a struggle.
Right, Caroline. This could be this could go on for months, months, and months. Meanwhile, we have to pay >> pay the bills, >> right? >> Where did that money come out of to does he just wait to get paid or the town pays him and then we get reimbursed from
the installer? So, right now we have um we have a professional services um $8,000 that we have set aside for Paul Brogna, but starting July 1st, and this this is why this has to be implemented by July
1st. Starting July 1st, um the $8,000 is going to be for the maternal and child child's health um nurse that um we can advertise for. So what we're trying to capture is we're trying to capture um
you know the resident or the engineer to pay for pay for the um septic plan to be reviewed instead of um setting aside town um funds to pay for Paul Brogna. It's really the responsibility of the homeowner to pay for this septic plan
review. So this should go into effect by July 1st. whatever you're increasing it to. >> So how others how other boards of health usually do it?
>> Can you repeat the question Deborah? >> Um do we um >> Sorry. >> Do we Sorry, hold on one second. Um, do we know or how other towns boards
of health do it? How their p their structure works? >> No, Carolyn researched that. >> Yeah. >> Um, I had I had made a spreadsheet of what nearby towns were charging their
residents for like plan reviews and installations. Every town's a little bit different. Um, some towns charge way more cuz I believe our old fees were like 150 175 while other nearby towns would charge like 350. Um, or they don't
charge for a plan review and they just charge one total big cost but it varies between towns. >> Okay. Um, I would say a thousand. Um, and because it hasn't really gone up 1,500. I mean, the cost of everything is
so expensive these days. Um, so we could do a,000 and then on the rare instance where it goes over cuz most of those Can you pull that document up again? Most of those are far from a thousand, right? I mean, it was one that
was close. >> Yes. Sorry, I can't seem to get my screen out of full screen. What's going on here? >> I'm just thinking raising it from 400 to 1500. That's like a big leap. >> Um, and maybe we can just
>> and revisit it next year. like if multiple people kind of exceed the thousand I I'm I'm open to increasing it but maybe just doing an incremental thing or maybe this year it's just the thousand and then will you have on the bill itself or on the document itself or
invoice where it says um you will be you know reim you know you will money will be returned to you if if the whatever is exceeded the assessor's
um the inspector's cost is exceeded or something. >> If we're changing the septic fee, what we did last time when we voted for the 400 is we sent like a mass letter um to all the engineers and installer so they
were aware of the septic fee. Um, we gave them a couple months too. I think we we voted on that last on the summer in the summertime, Caroline. >> And then we said, >> yeah, we said it wasn't effect until October. Um, and no one has complained
so far. So, or had any questions, so >> Okay. All right. Well, I still think I would prefer 1,500, but why don't we just go with the original suggested 1,200?
Kind of split the difference there. >> Deal. Sounds good. >> Okay. >> All right. So on the but on the document the invoice or where wherever it is will it say that you will be refunded if the
inspectional costs or this um are below this or will there be language so people don't people know that they might be getting it back if it's an uncomplicated situation you know it's there make sure it's there
already there but What did you say? >> I said we can make sure it's there. I want to say it may already be there. >> Okay. >> But we can make sure. >> I think it would be. >> Yeah. >> And who sends that money back? Like is that >> that's the accounting department? >> Oh, okay.
>> We'll have to cut a check back. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. I'm I'm ready to vote. >> Okay. Um well, I move to raise the fee to $1,200. Do you want to second that? Second that.
>> All in favor? I >> I >> Okay. >> Okay. Great. >> Okay. The next um number nine and 10. Number nine is um a cease and desist that was sent
to Lulu's safe who was operating with no permit. Uh and so we sent a letter to cease and desist. I know that I know that the owner of Lulu's has put in some information into perman but they
haven't contacted us. Is that true Carolyn? >> Yes. Um Maya did >> Yes. >> I'm trying to pull up the cease and distance. One second. >> Great. Thank you. >> Yep. So Lulu's um the person operating I
believe is Laura Hill. She has not contacted our office as far as I know um or emailed me or car Caroline. I know Maya the other person did reach out to our office and we've spoken to her and I've emailed her with
further steps on how to do the right permitting protocol. Um Lulu's hasn't said anything. they just signed up for a food establishment permit, which is one permit ahead of herself, like she needs to get her residential kitchen plan review first. Um, so I did message her
like, "Oh, if you wanted to start your residential kitchen, you need to apply for this first." She didn't respond to that message and then she just filled out a residential kitchen plan review and she did upload some stuff. It was in the red, but because we're busy all day today, I didn't get a chance to look at it. So, I don't know what she has or
hasn't submitted. Yeah. So, she's she has received the paperwork, so she knows and she's starting to submit what needs to be submitted for the permit. So, we'll keep an eye on that. >> Yeah. And she just until she gets her permit won't be able to
>> correct >> cook anything. Okay. And then the second uh number 10, the second uh residential kitchen cease and assist Maya, she did call as Carolyn said um Carolyn did send her all the
information to um load up into permanent she did call again and say that she's going to uh not open the business again. She's she's not going to do that right now. So, she has all the information.
She may do that at some other time, but right now she's it cease and desist and she says she's not going to open it. So, >> did you need the board of health to vote on that or just is this just letting us know? >> I'm just letting you know. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> These two come to your attention. >> The internet. Yeah, we have um a Milton Facebook account. So, I'll go just on the main page just to see what's going on in the neighborhood. Um just like for
fun, but um I saw these post these two bakeries came to our attention. Um I believe on I thought Yeah. Um so I I included in the letter how it came to our attention
and I was referencing like why we were sending them the letter. I gonna move move the Yeah, I was gonna say move the address off the screen. >> Sorry. Sorry. >> No, that's okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Great. Thank Thank you for
letting us know. >> All right. I'll move on to number 11, the health director report. >> Do we want to do Highland Street first? >> Oh, yeah. There we go. Yep. Highland. Okay. So, let's do number six. 107-11 Highland Street. Request for
condemnation of buildings. Discussion and potential vote to condemn. So, um the superintendent Joe Sigan Nano u met both um the building inspector Michael White and myself out at the property on
Friday. And there are two pictures that I believe I sent you. Uh this uh dilapitated building. that's been dilapitated for many years and the whole site is like overgrown and they did do an asbestous um survey and um that's
attached to it too. So um he was requesting that the board of health condemn the property so they can go move forward with their asbestous removal and he said he needed that. that's never come to my attention before that um he's needed a condemnation first but he said
that D department of environment environmental protection asked him to get a condemnation from the board of health before he can move forward with the uh removal of the asbestous so that's what he's asking >> for the board to condemn
>> can I ask a question um who oversees his asbestous removal process because that's That is a um you know I know has a lot of criteria and regulations safety safeguards and all of that. Who over
like do you guys are is the health department a part of that or is that the D level that the D inspects it? I'm just curious. >> They have to be a licensed asbestous removal company that's approved by the
state and there's a list of them. I don't know if you can pull up Did I Did I put into the um into my files the the pictures and the um >> the letter from him?
>> One second. Um I know you included the pictures. I believe this might be the letter. >> It is a letter. Yes. So he's writing on behalf of Avida at Milton LLC, owner and record of the structures
111 uh Highland Street. Uh all the structures have experienced severe structural deterioration. uh uh they've experienced let me see a pre-demolition bulk asbestous analysis that's a survey has been completed by
TRC industrial hygiene laboratories and they it confirms the presence of the asbestous containing materials down a little bit more but he's he's mentioning D in here he he has to proceed with authorization to proceed
with the demolition and bulk load out of the materials in accordance with 310 CMR 7.15. So, a demolition civil plan with logistics is attached. Following the board's action, a VA at
Milton LLC will immediately file a demolition permit application with the building department and pursue a notice of unsafe structure from the building commissioner. I don't know if you can scroll down a little bit more. It just mentions the survey, but they have to have the proper
um licensed asbestous removers. And then what will happen is they'll the survey is attached here, but they'll send a notice afterwards of what they did and and how it was disposed of. >> So, >> um so there's no like inspection of I
guess. >> Yeah. All right. >> We don't do any in inspections. D would be doing inspections if they needed to do. You have to like that's what I'm asking. DP does does the inspection. Okay. Great. All right. Well, then I'll
vote to support the comation. >> Yeah. I'll second. All in favor say I. I. >> I. All right. Great. Thank you. All right. Moving to the health director report.
Just a couple of updates. Uh let's see. 68 Smith Road. Um they did actually um email me because I usually every time we're having a board meeting, I send an email and say like, "Well, what's going on with that property?" So
that was um for your knowledge, Deborah, that that was um condemned like how long ago? >> Three years ago. Three years ago. >> Yeah. And so they >> I think I was on I think I was on all those meetings. I think I saw most of
it. Um he said that there's a change in leadership in church leadership. That was his last email last week >> and he's sending plans to the architect and the window company. So that's his update. So I said thank you for updating us. Um
then 5 to9 Thatcher Street. >> Wait, sorry. It's currently condemned. You write Smith Road. >> Yes. Caroline. >> Yes.
>> Do you have any more questions? >> No. Sorry. Go ahead. >> Yeah. Uh 5-9 Thatcher Street. Um so this is a property where the Knights of Columbus is and they have another house on that property. The board um did consider condemning it, but um they've
been working with us. Um, I'll give you an update from Representative Richard Joyce. So, Mr. Joyce has been sending pest control reports and he's sending them every month, January. He missed February because I guess still, but January, March, and April, he sent pest
control reports. And he also wrote on May 5th that he said his client is having his architect redraw plans as the planning board was not in favor of the previous proposal. My client expects that those new plans with a reduced number of units will be ready in about
three weeks from now. So, they're they're working with the planning board actively working with them to um create some um units I suppose at the sites maybe. I don't know exactly what's going on in there yet, but they've been working with the planning board it
sounds like. So, we'll get another update. So, things are things are moving ahead with that property. Do you have any questions, Deborah? >> Uh 333 Thatcher Street. Uh we This has been going on for a couple of months. Uh
correction order was sent. Uh town council brought it to court. Uh Carolyn and I inspected probably about a month ago now and the owner is actively fixing all the violations. There's nobody living at that property and uh the owner is going to call us when everything's done and we're going to go back for a
reinspection. So, that's moving in a positive direction. Great. Uh, and a couple more updates. Um, the drug takeback day, we collected 74 pounds of drugs on April 25th, working
with the police, the drug takeback day. Uh, April 28th, we had a a virtual Tik Tok presentation on Zoom and um, I asked for them to put it on cable TV. I haven't checked to see if they were able to do that, but it was a great presentation.
May 16th, we had a food drive and no one came to our food drive, which is too bad. Very bad. So, um, as I think that people are busy in the month of May and it just got lost. So, we didn't get any
um any um donations at a food drive. >> I'm sorry to hear that. What was Can What was the food drive um event? >> Yeah. No. No. >> What was the event like? Where, how, when?
>> So, it was on May 16th. It was um where we had our last event and we got a good amount of donations. But >> which was where? >> Which is right behind the town hall. >> Y up and they could donate canned foods or
whatnot. But so we had a table set up behind town hall. >> Oh >> yeah. So >> um and um that's that's unfortunate. I wonder if it's um if there was a promotion like
what was the promotion for? >> We advertised it on our channels and Milton Times. >> We did a sign too. >> Yeah, we had our Facebook media. We did a Milton Times ad, the blinking sign
outside that I think police um set out for us. We put it in our newsletter. >> I'm wondering if maybe in the future to partner with like the PTOs or the schools, you know, to get the message out through the networks where, >> you know,
>> kind of like at Thanksgiving when they assign >> Yeah. >> each class something to bring. >> Yeah. cranberry sauce or what have you. >> Um >> maybe in a more open area like in front of the library where people are driving
by and say, "Oh, I forgot I go home and get some food, you know, and cuz you don't really see behind at the fire department, >> right?" That's why we had the sign. We had a um the police put up a >> Oh, okay. >> a sign to say we're having it.
Uh the reason we had it there too is because storage. So the fire station >> was easier. >> We had staff from the fire station help us load the food into um the fire station. We don't have any room in the health department if we
>> so they were thankfully um willing to store our food until we we sorted it and used it. >> Wait, sorry. You were giving it away or you were collecting it? We're collecting, we're collecting food and
the last time we had a the food drive, the fire department staff came and was helping us bring the food into the fire station previous. >> We had to store it. We had we had no space in the health department to store
it. So, they kindly enough stored it in the fire station for us. And that's why we had it right there by the fire station. Yeah, for storage reasons. >> Mhm. >> It's also a good amount of um people who
showed up last fall, too. So, we didn't think that would deter anyone because we had a >> we were like shocked at how many people came and the traffic was easy, too, because the car could just stop and pull up and there wasn't like cars coming in and out from the streets. So, was a nice place. Yeah.
>> You know what? I I wonder if the SNAP benefit um at the the crisis at the federal level impacted uh resident motivation as I recall actually that when you advertise in the fall people were very
motivated around the SNAPs right as I recall. You know, it's interesting. Maybe that, you know, next time be interesting to partner with some, you know, local groups and have them, you know, get the message out to their networks, you know.
Anyway, I'm sorry that happened, but thank you for doing that. >> Thanks. You know, when you're speaking, Deborah, it's hard to kind of hear you sometimes. Are you >> with your microphone or something? Yeah. kind of sometimes going in and out.
>> Maybe I I think I was too far away from my microphone. >> There's almost like an echo something going on here though. >> I don't know what that is. >> Really? >> You don't have another open um like bone or something. It's very weird. When you
listen to the recording, you'll see what it like there's a little echo. And I wasn't sure if you were it was be because you were kind of further away from the computer, but >> is there still an echo now? Yes. >> Yeah. I don't know what it is. >> All right. Well, we're almost in the
home stretch. >> All right. >> So, uh this week on June 4th at the Council on Aging, we're going to have a documentary. It's called Keys, Bags, Names, and Words. So, looking forward to that um on Thursday. And then the food
bags and the take one leave one shells are continually being restocked. Han Grossman is um is ordering from Amazon weekly or bi-weekly. And uh I enclosed a letter to the select board uh seeking $15,000 of funding for
FY27 from the Governor Stoton Fund to support purchasing more of a variety of foods and also some shares at um two local farms, the Wsbury Farm Sharon and the Brookwood Farm in Canton.
And um I spoke with the town administrator uh Nick Milano today and he said that there was $15,000 that could be used um from the fund and I'll talk to him further. I don't know when the select board are meeting again but
uh I know the last time we asked for some money from the select board Nick just brought the um request in. I don't the last time though was thousand dollars so we might ask this to come in and um so I'll I'll reach out to him again and ask him. So I sent the letter
um to him and if the board approves that or wants to change some language or whatnot in the the letter uh myself uh Ian and uh Lisa Courtney kind of composed that letter mostly in the beginning and we just
tweaked it. Um this is a really good opportunity to raise awareness around um food insecurity and how bad it's getting, but also um to demonstrate that
the current agencies that are providing the support are hardressed and that it's that the board of health that your sorry that the health department I know you have the take one leave one bags and you have the Um
um the sorry you have the take one leave one through >> math emotion right and then an the social worker gives out bags has bags of food right
shelf stable so this might be a really good opportunity to like present somewhere or go to the a select board meeting or a I I don't know when the next um trustees meeting is. They just had one actually a
couple days ago, so it's probably not for another month, but it's a good opportunity to present all of the metrics of how many people are asking for the food and how the health department is not able to meet the needs because you only have this much, but you
need the request is this much. So, it might be a good this might be a good opportunity to demonstrate what the needs are actually. And I'm sorry if I'm echoing. Okay. Um, so I mean, you might want to
consider going to um a the next trustees meeting and just presenting. So, um, uh, I I told, so Laura, I had told
Caroline earlier that I went down the rabbit hole of trying to get myself up to speed um, regarding the Governor Stoen um, trust fund and how much is in it and who they currently fund and how much they
currently fund and how it happens. And so I ended up reading a lot about the governor's code and trust fund which I didn't know about. I mean I knew about it in general but not a lot of the really interesting historic um backstory which is really interesting. Um
and I also saw and I went through a ton of minutes and they haven't they had a meeting the other day in April and they haven't posted minutes for that yet. Um, but I found it complicated to try and assess how much it said how
much was in it. So, for the uh what was that mean? Uh, I think December 16, 2025. Is that the date? Hold on. Let me get my dates. Um, hold on one sec. I just want to make
sure I'm giving you the right information. I wrote it down. So, um, okay. So, in their meeting minutes from December, this is the Governor Stone Trust Fund, which is the select board,
but it's December meeting. Governor Stton trust fund at in their December 16th, 2025 minutes. It says that they have $400,000 available. And then
looking at different uh minutes, it looks like they funded the Milton Residence Fund and the Milton Food Pantry and B um uncompensated care fund for Milton residents. And between the three of
those funds, it was about $275,000. I sent an email to Nick and it sounds like Caroline also talked to him asking for an if he knows the exact amount. Um, and I ced somebody from the CCed
somebody um from the governor's trust because it's actually an interesting moment and an opportunity for the community at large to really understand that food insecurity is really happening here in Milton and all
of us see that crisis arising. um you know grocery you know everything the cost of living that's so expensive and it's really hitting our most most marginalized residents hardest right because they're the ones who are already kind of making ends just you know barely
making ends meet so I think it's a good opportunity a to ask the governor stone trust fund for an actual and maybe I missed it maybe it's on their website but they don't have an accounting of how much
uh that's not buried in the minutes like a separate document where you can just click on it and open it and see how much is was in it from year to year and then how much has been funded from year to year and what's remaining. Um that would
be interesting. I also know um I think and correct me if I'm wrong that the fund is only the money from the interest the annual interest that's accural
and the principal is like 5 million but the interest is only what's used to give out money. So, it's not like there's 5 million for res. So, that's one thing that I don't really see written anywhere. Um,
I sort of mentioned in in one of the minutes from a year ago, but I think it would be interesting to requested them to just for the the four entities, right? And and there might be more. I don't know where there are more entities. I didn't see it in the in the
minutes, but Milton B, the Milton Food Pantry, um, and the Milton Residence Fund. I um, and then if the board of health, sorry, if the health department gets the money, then that would be four. So, I think it would be a good
opportunity to have them put a document or something on their website. There is a Governor's Stone website um, on the town website, a link. Their minutes are not up to date. the minutes are from 2023. I had to go to the main page and
do a search and that's where I found the most recent minutes. Anyway, um so yeah. Um so I'd be interested to know how much is remaining and how much you actually need, how much the health department really needs. Like um is $15,000
um going to cover what you need? You know what I mean? and and also it um I know that there's some collaboration between you all um based on um just my own
um you know just my some of my own knowledge I know that you guys do partner and talk to each other the health department talks to the food pantry and the mil residence fund I'm sure Ann and and and Lisa connect with them in terms of just their work they do
so yeah so that's all it's it's a good opportunity to raise awareness. You might want to present at the next Governor Sen meeting and to explain what the need is and how you're not able to make ends meet and how why you're
requesting the 15,000 and then also request to have a document. Um, and I I don't mind doing that. That's you don't have to do that part. So, yeah, that's all I want to say. It's a good opportunity to raise awareness for the for the so for the governor so trust
fund for the community at large for the select board to understand right so another opportunity to raise awareness about how much you guys do with so little that's all thank you
and then just a couple more updates uh we have a new food establishment Julian's that's going to be opening. And Carolyn and I did the walk through on May 27th for two hours. So Carolyn went back again today. The refrigerators needed to
be looked at. They didn't have the the temps. Um so so she went back out today to look at the temps and there's a couple little things that need to be sent in, but um we're working with them on that. >> Good.
>> Yeah. And then uh there's another marketplace opening called 2 Pence. It's undergoing construction right now and we're just waiting >> that Milton Village there. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh. Oh, that'll be interesting. >> That the Bank of America
>> and we're going to do an inspection there. So, I think they they have started some construction and and sent some plans >> good >> for that. Uh, two swimming pools were inspected in open burst E states in Wallist. Farmers market's going to be starting
and I'm sure we've gotten some applications so far for the farmers market. We've got over a dozen camp applications so far and nurse Susan Porier is very busy with the camp applications and u we did some interviews um with HR
director Carla uh Carla feed for the health agent position um since uh Emily left Carolyn who went to be the assistant health director and now we're um so we we uh interviewed a number of
people. But, uh, Jenna Conroy, who's actually a Milton resident, she rose to the top. She's the most qualified. She has the most experience, and she's actually working in Canton right now. And so, um, she's accepted the offer, background checks, good. And so, we're
just waiting. I I emailed Carla again today to find out what's her start date. So, excited to have her come aboard. >> Yeah. About the next two or three weeks, she'll be coming on board. Oh, we know. Congrat congratulations.
>> Yeah. To your new position. You are >> Thank you. >> Really? That's very exciting. >> When did she start? Jenna starts when? >> We don't know yet. So, in process. I I I emailed Carla today to ask when and
we'll find out soon. Hopefully for the next three weeks, I'm hoping. Uh and then assistant town uh administrator Cody. Uh actually, it's Cody Case. He's going to secure a a college intern
uh for us. And uh it's going to be five hours a week. So that's starting in the fall. So, I thought that this intern could help us with um with um our promotion of events with um Facebook, maybe Milton Times
articles and um some more um highlighting what the health department does. >> Great. >> Uh and then good news is another good news. I don't think I put it on here,
but um Carolyn Hoe um secured a $5,000 grant from NIH. So um let's see. And that that is to do with food. So um there's some trainings around food
and uh Carolyn applied for this grant and we were accepted to get the grant. So >> great. >> $5,000 for um some training around food. >> Good job. That's amazing. Congratulations. What do you mean? What
do you mean? Can you say more about it? >> The grant is from NIH. So, it's a Niha grant. And this grant is basically to get health departments. Um, it's with the FDA retail food standards. So, we'll
go out and do our regular like routine food inspections, but there are like certain standards you have to meet. Um, it's a lot of work. Like there's little criteria, subriteras you have to complete and then you get audited and then if you meet that standard like you have to complete I think is it seven
standards Caroline seven or nine. >> Okay. >> Um you met standard one. I'm in the process of working on two other standards. is just a little hard cuz Emily left and then I was like the in between. Um and then the in between of waiting for Jenna to come in cuz we've
just been swamped with case after case and um more inspections that keep coming. Um so I'm hopefully when Jenna comes I can dedicate more time to that. But we did renew it and we got the grant. Um, and I I need to double check with them on what the money can be spent
on, but I think if it's anything related to retail food standards we're able to um when we went to MHOA last year for the conference, I went to this really interesting like rodent >> with the initial Miha and the other
thing you just said. Can you just say what the what everything stands for the conference last year and >> MHA was the MA I'm going to sound >> health officers association Massachusetts Health Officers Association
>> and NIH stands for National Environment. Caroline, you got to help me with the rest of them. >> I'm so used to the Oh, there we go. I just got an email from them. Um I'm so used to the acronyms. One second. NIH stands for National Environment Health
Association. >> So it's under NIH. >> It's really more for the record, you know. So we know >> So what's the money for again? Does it cost that to do to sign up for the training?
>> No. Uh I think it maybe could be used for training, but anything food related. So if we meet certain standards, we get that money and we're able to use that money to either help the standards or help further our um retail food
standards. So, I know when I was mentoring with someone um from North Craraven County, she came over um to like go over what food stand cuz she had completed all her food standards and she said one of the things she used the money for was to get um like every food
establishment binders um with helpful food resources like things like that. Um well when I was mentioning for MHA one of the PowerPoint presentations um this person worked in pest control a lot like in a lot of schools in Boston and she
had this really useful tool called a fry fry I need to look it up but it detects like if there's a hole size that can fit into that tool that means a mouse can go through. So, I was thinking if we were able to use that money to get every food
establishment in Milton that tool, that way if they notice a hole, then they can say, "Okay, yeah, this hole is big enough for a mouse. I need to get that >> fixed up." That was one of the ideas that I had. Yeah. >> Great. Congrats again for taking the
initiative writing it. That's great. >> Thanks. >> I think that's uh it on my end. Is there anything else that you can think of or >> um the coil coalition is doing a training tomorrow night, a mental health training.
>> That's true. We're doing um Q question persuade and refer training and it's suicide prevention. So, we've had the trainings before for the community and we're having the training. Initially, it was going to be for the mil it was going to be for the
Milton Coalition, but um I see that Laurian put it in the um newsletter um that went out from B Milton Hospital. See, we have we're having it in the old fire station. So, it's not a big room. So, when I saw it go into that
newsletter, I'm like, "Wow, that's great. But is it how many people are going to come?" I'm thinking in my mind. So, I didn't uh we didn't advertise it further than that because it was supposed to be originally just for the Milton Coalition and then there the the
um person that's going to be doing the training. I think they had a couple of more people that were coming. So, I was thinking, oh, how many people are going to come? Hopefully, you know, we have all the seats for people. So, you're right. >> Tomorrow night.
>> It was great. And it was was it in our newsletter? I don't know if it was in our newsletter. Probably not because I don't think we we didn't push it out that far. We didn't push it out that far. >> Second act, but not this one. >> Yes, you're right. So, second act. So,
we did have um we had the um play Second Act come and they went um to the the Council on Aging. We had a few people come but again uh busy month in May and um you know hoping to get it into the schools and they didn't have any room
and hoping um to have a conversation to have it uh in the schools which is really where it should be where the kids are there and they can see the second half play. But I thought it was very good. There was a couple of people that did go in the community but uh we'll concentrate more on the schools. I'll
talk to Karen Kah Hill and and see if we can get it into the schools. It was in the schools. We had it a couple years ago in the schools. Improbable Players was the name previously. So, uh, it really needs to be in the schools, but I was impressed by the play.
>> Good. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Um, I know you wanted to talk about some other things, Deborah. It's not in our agenda. Do you want to send some questions to me
or or things that you want to bring up to go into the next agenda? >> Actually, what I was Yeah, exactly. Um, well, first of all, let me just say thank you for how much you guys do every day. It's incredible how many balls you
have up in the air all the time with so few staff and limited resources. I say it all the time, but this meeting is just one more example. Um, and like Caroline, you work so closely with that lovely woman who's trying to start her own business to get all the paperwork
in, and you do that with everyone. So, just thank you. I I see how much work you do. So, just thank you. So, what I was thinking we could do um was uh just throw out some ideas for agenda items
for next time and and that um Carolyn and and Laura for, you know, you're not starting from scratch when you're creating an agenda for the next meeting, but there's a couple things you can just, you know, add to it. You know what I mean?
like if there's dangling items and just throw it out there. Does that it's not it's not on the agenda, but I think it's okay to throw out items for future agenda items. >> Well, I guess we could have an agenda
item future agenda items. >> Yeah. >> So, what do you want me to put in future agenda items and we can bring it up at the next meeting? >> Yeah. I think I sometimes start from scratch every time. >> Okay.
>> And part of it honestly is because um I want to make sure I'm prepared for the meetings and I know what's going to be on the agenda so I have time to >> but also it wouldn't necessarily be definitely on because you don't know
what your agenda is going to look like. >> But it's like possible spots if if there's room on the agenda. Exactly. Yeah. And it's up to you and Caroline anyway. Yeah. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Oh, next time we can have that on.
>> So, um, can I say a couple of items now? >> I don't know. I mean, remember I don't know. >> I don't know. >> What did you say? >> I don't know because it's not on the agenda.
Um um and I'm under I'm still under health department report. >> I think why don't we talk about them at our future agenda items? >> Future meeting date. >> Can we talk about it under future meeting date?
>> Yes. Yeah. >> Great. Sorry, I didn't know you weren't finished. My apologies. >> Do you want to set the next date? Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Does everybody want to look at their calendars?
>> Yeah. Hold on. Let me grab my phone. Sorry about that. Uh, let's see. Okay, let's see when. So, July. >> Yep. >> Is the 6th too close to the 4th? Maybe
the 13th of July? >> 13th might be better. Does that work for you? Everyone else here? Uh um um I will be
in transit. Wait, what's wrong with this Monday? A month from today, July 6th. What's wrong with that one? Well, it's right after 4th of July and many people take that week.
>> I'm here. Are you >> I'm not sure if I'm here yet. Um, I might not be. How about the 20th? Is that running too late? I don't think we have any other septics
on the um >> Nothing coming up. >> Nothing's coming up. So >> the 20th. Does that look better? The 20th, Deborah? >> Uh yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, I'm available the 6th, but
you're saying you think people might be away on the 13th. Um, I am I am in transit. I'll be on a >> Yeah. When my flight arrives and I don't want to risk it that I would in fact I
don't think I'd be home by seven. >> Okay. >> All right. So, I'll I'll um I'll reach out to Mary Stenson to see if uh July 20th works for her. >> How's that sound? >> Let me know. Um and then also um for
just sort of for some agenda items for next time um for the meeting on the 20th I think um and I don't know if this is something that can be that needs to be discussed but I think
that just putting executives going into executive session for residents who are coming uh for for their homes getting condemned that felt It felt badly she was crying and her address was so public and you know it's I think executive
session is a good is a good way to protect resident privacy. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Sometimes it's difficult because you don't know what's coming up. You know when you're that it gets emotional sometimes when you
don't expect it to. So you don't have a chance to go into executive session. Well, we can talk about it next time because I think it just should be a standard practice. >> Yeah. >> If we have somebody who's coming, you know, we can talk about it.
>> Yeah. And then also to talk about um renter reallocation assistance which I looked up um you know I I know tonight I I don't really know what it would be good to talk about kind of what services
and support and protocol and what's in place in terms of practices for people who are getting condemned and we could talk more about that because I know Caroline you have a lot of information about it. Um um and again I know you don't necessarily have to put it on the agenda
but this is what I was hoping that we could follow up with. And then um also to talk about the the camps, the the opioid camp um scholarships
and then also to talk about a possible um retreat to to sort of I I noticed um I I noticed when I was watching Select Board and Planning Board that they do um like an annual Select Board does a
retreat where they just spend um a few hours or they set aside some time. It's not recorded. It's informal. And just think about um goals for the year. Planning board did it during their meeting the other day where they talked about things they wanted to accomplish. And I thought that would be kind of a
fun idea to talk about and we don't have to, you know, just to talk about retreat potential. We can do it during a meeting. We can do it offline. So just >> I don't think we could I don't think we could do it offline. I think that would be
going against public meeting laws, wouldn't it? >> No. Your the retreat the retreat has an exemption for in the recording by law if it's a retreat. >> I think there has to be minutes from the retreat though. >> Yeah.
>> But would but wouldn't it still be a public meeting? >> Um yes, but it >> I mean it could be recorded too. It doesn't it doesn't matter what we can >> but it's the concept of doing a you know
goals for the year. What do we want to accomplish? Revisit the um the chip the community health improvement plan. You know what do we need? You know that kind of thing. What does the health department need? What kind of resources? >> You know that kind of thing. Um so yeah
just some ideas to talk about for next time. And I learned a lot this time obviously with with the the condemnations and and um deceased and desist and the all of that. So thank you
for um explaining everything to me Caroline. I appreciate it. Or earlier >> no problem. >> Okay. >> All right. Are we ready to adjourn? >> I think so. Yeah. >> Make a motion. What time is it now?
>> 93. >> 93. >> 9:03. >> Do you want to make a motion? >> I move. >> Yeah. At 903. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> I
Okay. Good night. >> Good night.